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2[00:00:50] <Torben_> hi possible anybody could do a iperf2
test to my external router? i want to see if the line got updated to
200 mbps. (iperf -V -t 10 -i 1 -c 91.106.132.101 -p 4711)
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20[00:09:30] <mcint> Torben_: yep
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22[00:10:05] <mcint> transatlantic though...so
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24[00:10:31] <Torben_> yup germany :-/
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32[00:13:49] <ryouma> jmcnaught: he said jessie was fine
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38[00:16:30] <jmcnaught> ryouma: oh you're right
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40[00:16:57] <sparky4> startx is still kill
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57[00:22:57] <victorqueiroz> I have 8GB of ram and 64GB of swap
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58[00:23:02] <victorqueiroz> iThat could be messing up my pc?
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66[00:27:35] <ryouma> i am no expert, but not sure why that
would. are you running a large app that takes up that much virtual
memory?
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68[00:27:54] <booh> Hi. I would like to compress a file without
suppressing the source file and to compress in another folder
because I don't have enough space in this partition...
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69[00:28:01] <booh> I tried with gzip
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70[00:28:20] <booh> it's a 975GB vmdk flat file.
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71[00:28:29] <booh> raw
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72[00:28:48] <ryouma> what does suppressing mean here?
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73[00:29:05] <ryouma> booh: gzip can take standard input, at
least, but dunno if that would be efficient
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74[00:29:53] <booh> when I gzip, I think the source file will
not be there anymore..
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77[00:33:09] <booh> ok I found the -k flag...
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82[00:33:46] <booh> Now I just missing how the destination into
another folder.
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83[00:33:55] <bondibox> is the apt repo temporarily unavailable
today?
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85[00:34:10] <bondibox> 0% [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for
headers]
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94[00:38:48] <bondibox> could someone please run apt-get update
and check if security.debian.org will give you an updated stretch
list
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95[00:39:01] <FECDD> i am running debian 9, previously with
mate and now with kde. I just uninstalled mate because I don't
use it anymore and now suddenly my package management is totally
screwed up. sudo was uninstalled too. when I try to reinstall it or
do anything with apt-get, I get an error message saying that the
mirror is temporarily not available
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96[00:39:21] <FECDD> pinging websites also doesnt work. but
funnily, a vm with an active internet connection is still running
just fine
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98[00:39:35] <FECDD> what can I do to save my installation and
regain control over the package management?
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99[00:39:36] <LtL> bondibox: works fine
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100[00:39:56] <FECDD> my sources.list is ok
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101[00:40:28] <bondibox> thank you. this is a fresh install,
I've been building them all month from a script. very odd. oh
well they build fast inthe cloud
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102[00:40:39] <bondibox> thanks LtL
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103[00:40:43] <gabrielc> hi all. question. how can i setup a
network with hidden ssid on /etc/network/interfaces?
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105[00:42:51] <gabrielc> is there any documentation?
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106[00:42:58] <bondibox> oh me my big fat idiot self and
hyper-paranoid about the golden master build and went full on
lockdown with the fw. duh
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112[00:45:35] <jmcnaught> gabrielc:
/usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz
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113[00:45:47] <jmcnaught> gabrielc: and also "man
interfaces" of course
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114[00:46:17] <jmcnaught> FECDD: how do you configure networking
on this computer?
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118[00:49:14] <benfitzpatrick> hey guys i need help, im vnced
into my girlfriend's Debian install on her server, she forgot
remote password and is not very good at linux at all. so im trying
to change her password per she forgot it and idk her password. nor
do we know her root password..she bought this server pre-setup with
debian and we have NO idea what to do
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119[00:49:29] <benfitzpatrick> so yeah we need to change the
root password and her user password
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120[00:49:35] <benfitzpatrick> her username is vnc
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123[00:51:24] <FECDD> jmcnaught: i used to do it with the
network-manager, which, i just saw, also got uninstalled with mate.
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124[00:51:51] <FECDD> i would assume though that kde ships with
networking tool as well
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126[00:52:30] <jmcnaught> FECDD: this is why apt-get has a
confirmation step when multiple packages are removed. Can you use
ethernet?
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128[00:53:03] <FECDD> i have used ethernet before too, but now
it doesnt work anymore. funnily it works in my VM though
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130[00:53:13] <benfitzpatrick> -shrugs confused-
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131[00:53:47] <mutante> benfitzpatrick: you need to reboot the
machine into "single user mode"
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132[00:54:01] <mutante> benfitzpatrick: then from there you can
overwrite the password
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133[00:54:15] <benfitzpatrick> ill let her know to do that
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134[00:54:28] <benfitzpatrick> thx
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136[00:54:33] <FECDD> jmcnaught: i do also have a local ip and
can ping my router. just not anything outside
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139[00:55:31] <jmcnaught> FECDD: what does "ip route"
say?
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145[00:58:01] <FECDD> jmcnaught: "default via 192.168.0.1
dev enp3s0 proto static metric 100"
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146[00:59:01] <jmcnaught> FECDD: and 192.168.0.1 is your router?
try running "dhclient enp3s0"
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147[00:59:09] <FECDD> yes
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149[01:00:09] <FECDD> jmcnaught: after that command i can
successfully do apt-get update... thanks! so i guess the correct
dhcp client is missing?
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151[01:01:22] <jmcnaught> FECDD: no something happened to your
interface configuration and dhclient reconfigured it. If you want to
get the same KDE experience you'd get if you selected it in the
installer, run tasksel
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155[01:02:12] <FECDD> jmcnaught: thanks for your help :) when i
use tasksel, will that overwrite my current kde configuration in
terms of panels, theme etc?
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158[01:02:59] <jmcnaught> FECDD: it will not touch your per-user
settings which are stored in your $HOME directory. It will just
install packages for a complete KDE desktop
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161[01:03:20] <FECDD> alright, will try that then
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164[01:04:23] <jmcnaught> FECDD: and be careful next time
you're removing packages ☺
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165[01:04:32] <FECDD> btw why is it not possible to manually
uninstall some packages/tools? when i uninstalled mate, i mostly
wanted to get rid of some of its desktop apps like its terminal or
caja, not necessarily the entire environment..
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167[01:04:40] <FECDD> jmcnaught: yeah i definitely will :)
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175[01:06:59] <jmcnaught> FECDD: if KDE was installed then you
should have been able to remove MATE without NetworkManager being
removed. But I don't know how you installed KDE at first, or
what commands you used to remove packages
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184[01:09:03] <FECDD> hmm i don't remember the install
command anymore, it's been a while.. anyway, next time I know
better as concerns uninstalling
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197[01:22:37] <mongo2> is there any way to claim a bts bug
without configuring an MTA? I am not finding a "reportbug
--template" like option for "bts claim" and
dont' really want to configure 2fa on a MTA.
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199[01:22:41] <pierrot> has someone experienced problems with a
Synaptics touchpad?
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204[01:25:50] <victorqueiroz> What could be causing cursor lag?
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206[01:26:14] <mutante> a ball mouse that hasn't been
cleaned in a while
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213[01:30:15] <jmcnaught> mongo2: is the bug already reported?
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223[01:35:30] <pierrot> wow. I did `sudo modprobe -r psmouse`
and then `sudo modprobe psmouse` and that made my touchpad works
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226[01:36:07] <Tom-_> pierrot, great :)
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227[01:36:15] <Tom-_> also there's
replaced-url
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238[01:42:05] <pierrot> the pity is that maybe I'll need to
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239[01:42:41] <petn-randall> pierrot: Just add
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264[01:52:00] <pierrot> I rebooted my system (without adding
"psmouse" to /etc/modules) and the touchpad works :)
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script to fake sendmail and cut and paste the text into the web
email client and that worked.
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341[02:41:15] <newsoft> hello, i have a proxy configured from
80:5123, when accessing page i get AH00940: HTTP: disabled
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342[02:41:23] <newsoft> Can someome help me on that
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344[02:41:32] <newsoft> [proxy:error] [pid 23927:tid
140293121255168] AH00940: HTTP: disabled connection for (127.0.0.1)
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351[02:48:01] <n-iCe> Hello im installing Debian but got unable
to install grub in dummy grub-install dummy failed
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352[02:48:03] <n-iCe> Any idea?
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362[02:49:45] <n-iCe> Again fatal error
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367[02:52:19] <jmcnaught> n-iCe: do you know which installer
image this is? and did you copy it to USB with a program like rufus
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368[02:52:31] <netcrash> Hello, how do I resize a linux
partition to the new size when I extended the size of the vm disk?
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369[02:53:14] <n-iCe> Jmcnaught the firmware nrtinstall iso and
used cat to copy it
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370[02:54:16] <jmcnaught> n-iCe: which Debian release? you made
sure to copy to the device not a partition? /dev/sdh not /dev/sdh1?
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371[02:54:36] <n-iCe> Sdb i did the copy have done this a lot of
times, and 9.1
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372[02:55:20] <jmcnaught> n-iCe: are there more details on tty4?
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373[02:55:33] <n-iCe> I rebooted
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374[02:55:41] <n-iCe> I think is a efi issue related
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375[02:56:28] <jmcnaught> was it trying to install grub-pc or
grub-efi-amd64?
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378[02:57:23] <jmcnaught> n-iCe: debian installer images can be
booted into a rescue mode, which has a tool for reinstalling grub
and/or getting a shell on the target
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380[02:58:50] <n-iCe> I'm doing a again
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381[02:58:51] <n-iCe> All
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384[02:59:42] <jmcnaught> n-iCe: you didn't really need to
since grub is the final part of the installation. If it fails again
this time, check tty4 before you reboot
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386[03:00:18] <n-iCe> Well bios asked me the first timr to boot
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387[03:00:29] <n-iCe> This time i selected hard drive usb
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388[03:00:40] <n-iCe> Lets see if that is the thing
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390[03:01:19] <n-iCe> Thank you
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391[03:01:36] <jmcnaught> the installer installs the grub
package for the method it was booted for, so if you want EFI booting
then you need to boot it by EFI
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392[03:02:17] <n-iCe> But did not work
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393[03:02:25] <n-iCe> Never happened this before with other
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394[03:02:27] <n-iCe> Is weird
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395[03:02:33] <n-iCe> First time using a efi laptop though
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448[03:35:30] <n-iCe> (jmcnaught) guess what
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458[03:39:38] <jmcnaught> n-iCe: ?
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459[03:39:46] <n-iCe> Worked now :)
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461[03:40:25] <jmcnaught> n-iCe: that's good. but you
didn't get EFI booting?
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463[03:40:36] <n-iCe> No idea
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464[03:40:40] <n-iCe> But booted
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465[03:40:43] <n-iCe> Does it matter?
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469[03:42:33] <jmcnaught> not if the advantages of EFI
don't matter to you. it's not really something most people
interact with very often
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497[03:57:39] <n-iCe> jmcnaught: done
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498[03:57:42] <n-iCe> I'm on Debian :)
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499[03:57:52] <n-iCe> Can't find a way to enable my touch
pad, to click though
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500[03:57:53] <n-iCe> Any idea=
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504[03:59:49] <jmcnaught> n-iCe: you can move the pointer with
the touch pad, but tap to click doesn't work? Which desktop
environment did you install?
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506[04:00:24] <n-iCe> jmcnaught: exactly! lxde
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510[04:01:28] <abrotman> n-iCe: this is usually in the wiki
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511[04:01:41] <n-iCe> abrotman: could not find it
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512[04:01:45] <n-iCe> all say this, cp
/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf
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513[04:01:49] <n-iCe> but I don't have those files
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514[04:01:50] <n-iCe> to edit
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515[04:02:22] <abrotman> !touchpad
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516[04:02:22] <dpkg> As of stretch, the synaptics driver
isn't used by GNOME. If your touchpad stopped working in
stretch, try installing xserver-xorg-input-libinput and removing
xserver-xorg-input-synaptics; see
replaced-url
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518[04:03:18] <n-iCe> xserver-xorg-input-libinput is already
installed
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520[04:03:41] <n-iCe> and xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is not
installed
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521[04:03:51] <abrotman> I meant the part about the
configuration
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522[04:05:12] <n-iCe> you mean, this
replaced-url
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525[04:05:24] <abrotman> no
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526[04:05:29] <n-iCe> then?
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527[04:05:38] <abrotman> the part about system wide config?
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529[04:06:05] <sumyunseal1> hey umm never tried this but
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531[04:07:06] <sumyunseal1> usually if i just cp the partition
and change uuids in fstab i can boot into it
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532[04:07:18] <sumyunseal1> but will this work on a mac
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534[04:07:27] <abrotman> on Linux? or OSX?
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535[04:07:36] <sumyunseal1> linux
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538[04:07:57] <sumyunseal1> this is a debian install partition
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539[04:08:19] <sumyunseal1> i usualy just cp files to right size
partition
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540[04:08:49] <sumyunseal1> and i can boot into the new ssd
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541[04:09:09] <sumyunseal1> but can i move that to the mac and
boot of it same?
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543[04:09:36] <sumyunseal1> or does debian install itself mac
specific when installed on a mac
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547[04:11:37] <n-iCe> Shit, did not work.
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548[04:11:56] <n-iCe> Why did they make it so hard, when you
were able just clickong, enable click on tap in mouse settings,
sighs
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554[04:15:22] <n-iCe> abrotman: so, the thing is, create the
.conf, and paste the example file, right?
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555[04:15:28] <n-iCe> then, log out, log in, should work?
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564[04:17:37] <n-iCe> dammit
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573[04:18:28] <jmcnaught> n-iCe: if you are not using GNOME then
maybe you do want to use the synaptics driver instead of libinput
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574[04:18:41] <jmcnaught> is that what you're trying to do?
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581[04:19:51] <n-iCe> dconf-editor
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582[04:19:59] <n-iCe> under
org/gnome/settings-daemon/peripherals/touchpad there's a
tap-to-click checkbox.
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583[04:20:02] <n-iCe> finally
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585[04:20:32] <n-iCe> nop, did not work either
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586[04:20:32] <n-iCe> lol
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587[04:20:38] <sumyunseal1> lol
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589[04:20:45] <sumyunseal1> ya dconf is dope
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590[04:20:47] <sumyunseal1> lol
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592[04:20:58] <sumyunseal1> debian is the best os ever
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594[04:21:12] <jmcnaught> n-iCe: i thought you were using lxde?
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595[04:21:24] <n-iCe> I am
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596[04:21:25] <sumyunseal1> now ive been using debian for like
10 yrs
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597[04:21:29] <n-iCe> hehe
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599[04:21:33] <n-iCe> that's why it did not work
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600[04:21:41] <n-iCe> found it here
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/synaptics.conf
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601[04:21:46] <n-iCe> here *
replaced-url
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602[04:21:51] <n-iCe> but did not work
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603[04:21:53] <n-iCe> let me log out
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608[04:23:01] <n-iCe> No, did not work.
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610[04:23:06] <n-iCe> I'm even thinking in change the DE
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611[04:23:15] <sumyunseal1> ya
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612[04:23:26] <sumyunseal1> u shud gnome
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616[04:23:30] <n-iCe> really?
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617[04:23:33] <sumyunseal1> ya
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619[04:23:38] <n-iCe> people keep saying shit about gnome3
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620[04:23:40] <sumyunseal1> coz the others ugly
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621[04:23:42] <n-iCe> have not used it for a while
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623[04:23:54] <sumyunseal1> gnome got worse too tho
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624[04:24:12] <n-iCe> i just want to make my touch pad click to
work!!
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627[04:24:25] <sumyunseal1> ya that works
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629[04:24:28] <n-iCe> haha
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630[04:24:33] <sumyunseal1> thats a pretty major issue
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631[04:24:43] <n-iCe> is it me? or everybody has this issue
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632[04:24:44] <jmcnaught> n-iCe: did you install
xserver-xorg-input-synaptics?
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633[04:24:47] <sumyunseal1> no
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634[04:25:17] <n-iCe> jmcnaught: I thought it was supposed to be
removed
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636[04:25:52] <sumyunseal1> i dont remember installing extras
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637[04:26:01] <sumyunseal1> all i did is dconf
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638[04:26:10] <sumyunseal1> and this is on a mac air too
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639[04:26:13] <sumyunseal1> lol
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640[04:26:25] <sumyunseal1> with wheezy
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641[04:26:33] <n-iCe> jmcnaught: ?
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642[04:26:45] <sumyunseal1> install it
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643[04:26:47] <jmcnaught> n-iCe: libinput is what GNOME uses
now. If you're on lxde and libinput isn't working, you
could try synaptics. You apparently tried some synclient commands
from that superuser.com line
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645[04:27:04] <jmcnaught> sumyunseal1: do you have a Debian
support question?
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646[04:27:10] <n-iCe> jmcnaught: ok, what to do
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648[04:27:13] <n-iCe> guide me
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649[04:27:21] <n-iCe> I Installed the package you told me, now?
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650[04:27:22] <sumyunseal1> no im helping n-iCe
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654[04:28:07] <jmcnaught> n-iCe: that package has a
README.Debian file
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655[04:28:20] <n-iCe> ...
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656[04:28:32] <sumyunseal1> lol
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659[04:28:48] <n-iCe> The synaptic Xorg driver in being
superseded by the newer libinput driver, which can provide
lower-level access to multi touch events to clients, but is
currently lacking some features found in the older driver.
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661[04:29:02] <n-iCe> You can make the synaptics driver take
precedence over libinput by copying
/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf into
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d, so as to make it take precendence over the
libinput configuration file found at
/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/90-libinput.conf.
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662[04:29:09] <n-iCe> but I don't have those damn files
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663[04:29:10] <lkthomas> does sudoers could only limit which
binary user could execute? could it limit what option does user
being able to execute at all?
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667[04:29:33] <sumyunseal1> lkthomas, yes
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669[04:29:44] <n-iCe> and does not seem to be a good idea to
remove xserver-xorg-input-libinput
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670[04:29:55] <n-iCe> sumyunseal1: thinking in move to gnome
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671[04:30:01] <sumyunseal1> lol
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672[04:30:07] <jmcnaught> n-iCe: "ls
/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/*synaptics*"
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673[04:30:12] <lkthomas> zabbix ALL= NOPASSWD : /bin/su - user1
-c "/opt/program/abc list" <- this does not work
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674[04:30:26] <lkthomas> zabbix ALL= NOPASSWD : /bin/su <-
this work
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676[04:30:28] <lkthomas> any idea why ?
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679[04:31:17] <n-iCe> jmcnaught: that
/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/70-synaptics.conf
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681[04:31:30] <sumyunseal1> lkthomas, oh yeah that doesnt look
right
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682[04:31:43] <lkthomas> sumyunseal1, what should I change ?
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684[04:32:06] <sumyunseal1> that might not be supported by sudo
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686[04:32:29] <sumyunseal1> i think it might be by gksu
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687[04:32:53] <lkthomas> I am not using GUI
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689[04:33:07] <sumyunseal1> mabe make a alias?
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690[04:33:13] <lkthomas> you mean command alias ?
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691[04:33:17] <sumyunseal1> ya
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692[04:33:22] <lkthomas> let me try
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694[04:34:25] <n-iCe> jmcnaught: and
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696[04:34:39] <sumyunseal1> n-iCe, r u using cairodock
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697[04:34:43] <n-iCe> no idea
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698[04:34:43] <lkthomas> nope, still fail
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699[04:34:45] <n-iCe> what's that
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700[04:34:49] <sumyunseal1> omg
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702[04:34:58] <sumyunseal1> u need to use gnome with cairo-dock
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703[04:35:01] <sumyunseal1> its the best thing
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704[04:35:06] <n-iCe> hahaha
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705[04:35:19] <n-iCe> by the way, the gnome iso is not in amd
bt-cd anymore
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706[04:35:20] <jmcnaught> n-iCe: a file you should look at and
maybe copy to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ if is relevant
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707[04:35:22] <sumyunseal1> lkthomas, that cant be
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708[04:36:04] <th0r> n-iCe: there used to be a cli program
called synclient that I used to tame the touchpad. I know it was in
debian 7, don't know about now.
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710[04:36:07] <sumyunseal1> n-iCe, omg just intall the gnome
package and restart
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714[04:36:42] <n-iCe> sumyunseal1: does not look nasty?
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715[04:36:49] <n-iCe> thought the iso was optimized for debian
better
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716[04:36:56] <sumyunseal1> then log into gnome desktop from the
login screen u can have many desktops
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717[04:37:00] <n-iCe> also, I would need to remove all the lxde
crap installed
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718[04:37:05] <n-iCe> hate that
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719[04:37:06] <n-iCe> don't you?
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720[04:37:06] <sumyunseal1> no
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721[04:37:27] <sumyunseal1> no its all teh same packeges
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722[04:37:35] <sumyunseal1> u can have em all installed and use
em all
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723[04:37:49] <n-iCe> just found thid
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724[04:37:50] <n-iCe> this
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725[04:37:50] <n-iCe> [ 15.196248] [drm:radeon_pci_probe
[radeon]] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later
requires firmware-amd-graphics.
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726[04:37:55] <n-iCe> [ 15.196248] [drm:radeon_pci_probe
[radeon]] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later
requires firmware-amd-graphics.
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727[04:38:08] <n-iCe> that heck? firmware-amd-graphics is
already the newest version (20161130-3).
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728[04:38:09] <sumyunseal1> there is a desktop chooser at the
login screen
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729[04:39:00] <n-iCe> do you actually use gnome?
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731[04:39:04] <sumyunseal1> yes
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733[04:40:35] <n-iCe> tried something else
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735[04:40:37] <n-iCe> let me reboot
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736[04:40:37] <n-iCe> brb
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742[04:44:05] <sumyunseal1> n-ice be careful not to lose video
lol
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743[04:44:21] <sumyunseal1> also do u have non-free enabled
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744[04:44:25] <sumyunseal1> in apt
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745[04:44:36] <jmcnaught> they're gone
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755[04:47:34] <n-iCe> DONE, is working, I'm keeping lxde
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756[04:47:45] <n-iCe>
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757[04:48:00] <n-iCe> that make it work
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758[04:48:02] <n-iCe> thank you guys
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770[04:52:39] <n-iCe> hi
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779[05:01:39] <dvs> back again?
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781[05:04:40] <n-iCe> always
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787[05:08:24] <sumyunseal1> omg lxde looks like windows lol
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797[05:12:58] <maxcell_> im having a weird issue, when i type
the words frozen and appears at the same time all together seconds
later. It happens randomly with all distros i've tried till
now. Someone have a clue?
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799[05:13:32] <n-iCe> dirty keyboard?
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801[05:13:45] <maxcell_> keyboard is ok
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803[05:14:08] <n-iCe> then, no idea
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808[05:15:21] <pingfloyd> n-iCe: is the i/o spiking?
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809[05:15:30] <pingfloyd> or cpu
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810[05:15:35] <n-iCe> what?
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811[05:15:59] <pingfloyd> it's fairly normal for a system
to behave that way when under a heavy load
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812[05:16:11] <maxcell_> pingfloyd, is like that yeah
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813[05:16:35] <n-iCe> pingfloyd, maxcell_ has the issue, not me
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814[05:16:44] <pingfloyd> maxcell_: have you tried monitoring
i/o (with say iotop) and cpu utilization when it happens
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815[05:17:01] <pingfloyd> n-iCe: sorry, was off target
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816[05:17:22] <n-iCe> is ok
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818[05:17:34] <maxcell_> pingfloyd, hm i didn't, maybe my
i5 2500 is getting old, is that possible?
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819[05:17:44] <n-iCe> maxcell_: don't think so
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820[05:17:53] <n-iCe> I have a p3 pc and does not do that
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821[05:17:59] <n-iCe> running slitaz on it
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822[05:18:06] <maxcell_> thats what i found strange about it
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823[05:18:32] <maxcell_> when i install Manjaro with
gnome/wayland it happens all the time, pretty awful
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825[05:18:54] <n-iCe> try a lightweight distro
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826[05:18:57] <n-iCe> like slitaz
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827[05:18:59] <n-iCe> see if happens
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828[05:19:33] <maxcell_> let me tell you this
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830[05:19:45] <maxcell_> i have "/" and
"swap" in SSD
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831[05:19:57] <maxcell_> but my "/home" is stored in
my normal HD
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832[05:20:05] <n-iCe> should not be the other way?
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833[05:20:14] <maxcell_> the "/" is on a GPT disk with
ESP boot
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834[05:20:24] <maxcell_> the "/home" is on a normal
MBR disk
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835[05:21:05] <maxcell_> so "/" SSD (to boot fast and
stuff) "/home" HD-not GPT
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837[05:21:17] <maxcell_> using a "/home" in no GPT
disk cause any conflict?
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838[05:21:43] <n-iCe> why don't you just try Debian to make
a default installation in your ssd, and check for 10 minutes if that
occurs
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841[05:25:25] <gabrielc> maxcell. run top and see "waiting
for io%"
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842[05:25:34] <maxcell_> gabrielc, ok
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844[05:26:14] <maxcell_> gabrielc, where is this "waiting
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845[05:26:19] <maxcell_> :~
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846[05:27:29] <pingfloyd> it's wa:
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849[05:28:34] <pingfloyd> the other thing to notice is your load
averages
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851[05:31:28] <maxcell_> oh right
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857[05:32:13] <maxcell_> in general, you dont think my setup is
causing the problem? having a "/home" mounted in a non-GPT
disk with everything else "/" in a GPT disk and EFI boot?
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865[05:35:06] <gabrielc> maxcell_: run "dmesg | less"
and search for errors
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867[05:35:21] <maxcell_> gabrielc, ok
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880[05:43:29] <maxcell_> [ 0.171982] system 00:06: [mem
0xfed90000-0xfed93fff] could not be reserved
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881[05:43:39] <maxcell_> [ 0.171774] system 00:04: [io
0x0290-0x029f] has been reserved
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885[05:44:32] <maxcell_> why that part of the memory
couldn't be reserved, its normal? do you think that my RAM
memory can be the issue?
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886[05:45:09] <maxcell_> is it possible? the memory lagging the
keyboard imput randomly?
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888[05:46:04] <gabrielc> maxcell_: dmesg | egrep -i
'error|warning'
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889[05:46:29] <maxcell_> no errors
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891[05:46:47] <maxcell_> no i lied
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892[05:47:00] <maxcell_> wait
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893[05:47:24] <maxcell_> there is a lot of errors.
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894[05:48:02] <maxcell_> including segmentation fault in libgtk
and nautilus
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905[05:49:47] <gabrielc> maxcell_: run "dmesg -c".
clears dmesg buffer. replicate the problem and then run dmesg
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909[05:51:12] <maxcell_> brb
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914[05:52:56] <maxcell_> gabrielc, here is what i did
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916[05:54:10] <maxcell_> gabrielc, logout-login, open
hardware-monitor. When CPU get stable i open the terminal and type.
It frozen and i run dmesg. Get nothing but this:
"snd_hda_codec_hdmi hdaudioC1D0: HDMI: invalid ELD data byte
7"
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919[05:56:24] <maxcell_> gabrielc, wow, it frozen now on IRC
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922[05:57:28] <maxcell_> gabrielc, i have multimedia buttons on
my keyboard as well. When i press volume up/down the Gnome has a
huuuuge delay to responde the command and when i type after that it
frozen the imput for some seconds too.
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925[05:58:24] <maxcell_> yeah i can replicate the problem
wherever i want now, all i need to do is press volume up/down and
type after that.
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926[05:58:32] <maxcell_> whenever*
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927[05:59:00] <gabrielc> maxcell_: can you rin gnome without
sound? or disable the sound card at bios? to test
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929[05:59:41] <maxcell_> how can i disable this on linux? i dont
think i can disable the sound card on my bios
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934[06:01:22] <maxcell_> and if i disable the sound, how can i
press volume up/down to replicate the problem?
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935[06:01:22] <maxcell_> the gnome will still respond without a
sound card?
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940[06:01:46] <maxcell_> gabrielc, dropped here, sorry
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947[06:04:04] <maxcell_> gabrielc, u know the volume buttom that
shows when you press volume up/down on the middle of the screen?
This volume frozen for quiet a while before unfrozen. Everytime.
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948[06:04:51] <maxcell_> and one of my i5 cores goes to 99%
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949[06:05:14] <maxcell_> and everything stops moving and i
can't type
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950[06:05:16] <maxcell_> thats it
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952[06:05:22] <gabrielc> maxcell_: i think that you must disable
the sound and try to replicate the prblem
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954[06:05:35] <maxcell_> gabrielc, how do i disable the card?
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957[06:07:09] <maxcell_> gabrielc, i did a reasearch, i think i
can disable onbios
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958[06:07:13] <maxcell_> gabrielc, brb
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970[06:11:28] <maxcell_> gabrielc, hi
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971[06:11:36] <maxcell_> i've disabled the sound card
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972[06:11:46] <maxcell_> on bios
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974[06:12:39] <maxcell_> gabrielc, now when i press volume
up/down it shows "HDMI/DisplayPort 2" instead of my real
AC97.
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975[06:12:50] <maxcell_> gabrielc, it frozen SO MUCH
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977[06:13:09] <maxcell_> gabrielc, i think the system hang for
about 5 seconds or more everytime i press volume up/down
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979[06:14:16] <maxcell_> gabrielc, when the little volume
picture on the middle of the screen finally open, it stop the frozen
and i can volume up/down normal. when the icon vanish it frozen when
i type.
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980[06:14:19] <gabrielc> maxcell_: and dmesg?
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982[06:14:54] <maxcell_> gabrielc, nothing, clear
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984[06:15:38] <maxcell_> it seems like a graphical issue,
something to do with xorg, not possible?
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985[06:16:13] <gabrielc> maxcell_: everthing is possible
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1002[06:26:29] <gabrielc> maxcell_: can you replicate the problem
without volume keys?
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1017[06:38:28] <maxcell_> gabrielc, only when i first enter the
gnome at login and open the terminal for the first time.
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1026[06:46:54] <maxcell_> gabrielc, i will put the sound back on
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1039[06:50:55] <maxcell_> gabrielc, everything i open for the
first time in the gnome, like the Menu, or even the Hexchat will
frozen the type.
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1042[06:51:43] <maxcell_> gabrielc, But only the first thing i
open, the Menu OR the Hexchat OR the terminal. The first one i open
will frozen the typing.
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1044[06:54:06] <gabrielc> maxcell_: add a delay between the login
and the first app. 30 seconds or so
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1045[06:54:33] <maxcell_> gabrielc, ok
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1051[06:56:35] <maxcell_> gabrielc, same frozen
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1053[06:57:48] <gabrielc> maxcell_: find the way to read the
logs. x gnome the
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1054[06:58:13] <gabrielc> apps.
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1056[06:58:28] <gabrielc> i must go to sleep
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1059[06:59:07] <maxcell_> gabrielc, what logs?
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1060[06:59:19] <maxcell_> gnome logs?
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1061[06:59:32] <maxcell_> xorg logs?
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1062[06:59:40] <gabrielc> all of them
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1063[06:59:45] <Heartbreakers> Alright2 :)
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1065[07:00:01] <maxcell_> gabrielc, ok thank you very much for
the help
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1066[07:00:14] <gabrielc> bye...
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1069[07:00:47] <jmcnaught> maxcell_: just tuning in, does your
typing latency issue happen in Wayland sessions and Xorg, or only
one of the two?
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1071[07:01:20] <Heartbreakers> Websnoop3.com
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1075[07:01:54] <jmcnaught> !ops Heartbreakers spamming
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1076[07:01:54] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught
complains about: Heartbreakers spamming
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1078[07:02:22] <Heartbreakers> Spamming?
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1080[07:02:55] <Heartbreakers> I think also but to lots money in
the web
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1081[07:03:03] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, both of them
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1084[07:03:50] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, i've installed Manjaro
and it was using wayland and the problems seems even worse.
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1089[07:05:14] <Heartbreakers> What programmer do that on
yesterday
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1090[07:05:57] <Heartbreakers> To many virus in system
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1094[07:07:23] <jmcnaught> maxcell_: how new is your hardware?
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1095[07:07:32] <Heartbreakers> I no have batt the my phone ,
later
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1096[07:07:49] <Heartbreakers> Oh my god max
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1100[07:10:47] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, i5-2500 sandybridge, 8gb
ram, good SSD and old HD, gtx 970 nvidia. - The "/" is
mounted on SSD GPT disk with EFI boot. While the "/home"
is mounted on normal HD which is MBR and non-gpt
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1101[07:11:19] <jmcnaught> are you using nouveau or nvidia?
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1102[07:11:26] <maxcell_> nvidia proprietary
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1104[07:11:35] <jmcnaught> does it also happen with nouveau?
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1105[07:11:41] <maxcell_> i dont know
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1107[07:11:44] <maxcell_> i can test
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1111[07:12:01] <maxcell_> should i?
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1113[07:12:12] <jmcnaught> probably worth a test if you are
running short on clues
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1115[07:12:35] <maxcell_> ok let me see
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1125[07:17:13] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, i forget but how do i make
sure if nouveau is running with dmesg?
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1126[07:17:19] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, dmesg |grep glx ?
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1135[07:19:55] <jmcnaught> maxcell_: lsmod | grep -E
'(nvidia|nouveau)'
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1137[07:20:19] <jmcnaught> which one is loaded? you can also
check your ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log
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1138[07:20:23] <maxcell_> denis@Linux:~$ lsmod |grep -E
'(nvidia|nouveau)'
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1139[07:20:24] <maxcell_> nouveau 1601536 0
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1141[07:21:27] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, i check the
/var/log/xorg.0.log but i wasn't sure if the result is from now
or from the time i first install the system. Or the log will reset
every reset?
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1143[07:22:39] <jmcnaught> maxcell_: a new log every time Xorg is
started, and the previous one is Xorg.1.log and so on. On stretch it
will be in ~/.local/share/xorg though
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1144[07:22:57] <jmcnaught> unless some display managers
don't support root-less xorg
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1149[07:23:25] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, hmm ok
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1151[07:23:59] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, so its nouveau but the
problem remains ok
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1152[07:24:21] <maxcell_> same frozen when type after open the
first app
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1153[07:24:32] <maxcell_> and when press volume up/down
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1155[07:24:51] <maxcell_> =(
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1156[07:24:58] <maxcell_> should i try to take intel-microcode
off?
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1157[07:25:08] <jmcnaught> why?
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1158[07:25:11] <maxcell_> idk
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1160[07:25:19] <maxcell_> i noted that
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1161[07:25:34] <jmcnaught> can your computer use intel graphics?
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1162[07:26:21] <jmcnaught> microcode fixes bugs in CPUs
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1163[07:26:23] <maxcell_> when i press volume up/down, while i
have to wait like 5s to the gnome volume icon appears on the screen,
one of my i5 cores goes next to 99% of usage.
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1164[07:26:37] <maxcell_> oh
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1165[07:26:45] <jmcnaught> what is using the CPU that much?
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1166[07:26:57] <maxcell_> know when you are in gnome
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1167[07:27:06] <maxcell_> and press multimedia keys?
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1168[07:27:10] <maxcell_> like mute
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1169[07:27:58] <maxcell_> an animation will appear in the center
of the screen with a speaker and a bar, rising up or down depends of
the multimedia key you press
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1170[07:28:00] <jmcnaught> i meant look at top and figure out
which process is spiking the CPU when you do that
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1171[07:28:10] <maxcell_> ok
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1172[07:28:37] <maxcell_> XORG
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1173[07:28:42] <maxcell_> 50%
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1174[07:29:00] <maxcell_> when i press the key he goes to the top
with 50% of cpu usage
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1177[07:29:45] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, it shows 50%, but is
probably 100% because before it appears its all frozen including top
itself.
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1179[07:30:44] <jmcnaught> maxcell_: if it also does this in
other distros, and for nvidia proprietary and nouveau, then i would
test your intel gpu if you can
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1180[07:32:22] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, there is any way to do that
without physicly removing the card from the computer?
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1181[07:33:07] <jmcnaught> in your computer's firmware or
BIOS
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1182[07:33:22] <maxcell_> but
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1183[07:33:27] <jmcnaught> there were no errors in Xorg.0.log?
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1185[07:34:04] <maxcell_> its cat xorg |egrep -e error ?
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1187[07:34:29] <jmcnaught> maxcell_: i would look at the whole
log, and search for (EE)
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1189[07:34:39] <maxcell_> whats EE mean
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1190[07:34:42] <jmcnaught> but there could be warnings about what
is happening
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1191[07:34:47] <jmcnaught> it says at the top of the log
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1193[07:35:00] <maxcell_> hm ok
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1194[07:35:21] <maxcell_> so there is like 14.000 lines
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1196[07:35:26] <maxcell_> what im looking for
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1197[07:35:38] <maxcell_> just EE?
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1198[07:35:58] <jmcnaught> or warnings, or lines that are
repeated a lot
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1200[07:36:29] <maxcell_> ok
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1203[07:37:24] <maxcell_> (WW) (EE) i see
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1207[07:40:10] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, it try to load module nvidia
but it couldn't; then it loads the nouveau. Normal right?
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1212[07:41:20] <maxcell_> jmcnaught,
replaced-url
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1214[07:42:12] <jmcnaught> maxcell_: is that because you have an
xorg.conf that says to use nvidia? Normally xorg is autoconfigured
and there is no xorg.conf
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1215[07:42:35] <maxcell_> let me see
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1216[07:43:15] <maxcell_> in /etc/X11 there is nothing about xorg
on this directory
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1224[07:46:25] <maxcell_> jmcnaught,
replaced-url
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1225[07:46:38] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, say it couldn't load
DRI
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1230[07:47:41] <jmcnaught> maxcell_: now you have some errors to
research it seems ☺
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1231[07:48:01] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, but im on nouveau, maybe
they wont appear with regular nvidia driver
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1234[07:49:13] <maxcell_> let me see
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1235[07:49:23] <maxcell_> the log is over
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1236[07:49:35] <maxcell_> i will put nvidia back and see if the
error continue
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1250[07:58:06] <maxcell_> jmcnaught,
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1251[07:58:15] <rpifan> can we fix debian directory strutres
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1252[07:59:11] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, i think we are pretty close
to solv the problem. Only one Warning remains and no errors in xorg
log with nvidia proprietary driver. The only warning, is about VESA.
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1255[08:00:20] <jmcnaught> maxcell_: which problem though? the
errors in your Xorg.0.log, some of them were about not being able to
use nvidia or nouveau (you didn't show the whole thing) so
maybe when you switched you didn't do it properly
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1256[08:01:17] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, no, it tries to load nvidia
and didn't find (because i remove) then it loads the nouveau
instead.
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1258[08:01:35] <jmcnaught> well i didn't see the lines
immediately after that
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1259[08:01:38] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, but now i put the nvidia
driver back.
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1260[08:02:07] <jmcnaught> the nvidia driver is faster, but
nouveau is better integrated with the rest of the software in Debian
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1263[08:02:30] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, but they were both having
the same issue with gnome.
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1265[08:03:34] <maxcell_> what difference it makes if im using
one or another
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1267[08:04:03] <maxcell_> do you wanna see the whole nouveau log
anyway? i can put it back
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1270[08:05:03] <jmcnaught> if you're confident that you had
nouveau working properly i believe you, but i didn't see proof
of it in the logs
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1271[08:05:15] <maxcell_> and i didn't show you the entire
log because i thought you want me to read
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1272[08:05:17] <jmcnaught> you only showed snippets for some
reason
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1273[08:05:22] <maxcell_> i dont have confident
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1274[08:05:28] <maxcell_> let me
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1276[08:05:50] <jmcnaught> i did want you to read them ☺ but if
you also share them for others to read it's better we see the
whole thing
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1277[08:06:09] <maxcell_> ok
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1278[08:06:16] <maxcell_> brb
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1289[08:09:37] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, here i'm :) so, the
resolution is all wrong in case you wanna know
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1296[08:11:33] <_Strix_> which tool offers highest compression
ratio?
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1298[08:12:10] <_Strix_> can I highly compress an ISO or video
file.?
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1299[08:12:19] <_Strix_> any help would be great.
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1301[08:12:24] <jmcnaught> maxcell_: your card might need
firmware-misc-nonfree for nouveau to work properly, or you could be
in some fallback framebuffer driver
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1303[08:12:45] <maxcell_> jmcnaught,
replaced-url
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1306[08:12:59] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, what is a fallback
framebuffer driver lol
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1307[08:14:08] <jmcnaught> maxcell_: like if nvidia or nouveau
driver doesn't work it uses a basic one that works with all
card
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1313[08:15:53] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, hmm, well in nvidia
proprietary driver the opengl works at least, i dont know about
"vesa" thing but opengl, in nvidia proprietary driver,
works and the resolution is ok. With nouveau in the other hand i
dont even know
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1315[08:16:47] <jmcnaught> maxcell_: the log from your paste is a
session using the fbdev (frame buffer device) driver, not nouveau
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1316[08:17:07] <maxcell_> why?
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1317[08:17:21] <jmcnaught> maxcell_: nouveau is what was running
when you first installed, before you installed the proprietary
drivers
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1318[08:17:45] <maxcell_> when i first install i was also without
the right resolution
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1319[08:17:49] <maxcell_> i think nothings change
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1320[08:17:56] <jmcnaught> maxcell_: probably because of
something left behind from the nvidia drivers. that log is also
trying to load the nvidia module
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1321[08:18:06] <jmcnaught> maxcell_: do you have
firmware-misc-nonfree installed?
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1324[08:19:37] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, here its called
nouveau-firmware
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1325[08:19:41] <maxcell_> and it wasn't installed
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1327[08:19:50] <maxcell_> should i reboot?
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1328[08:20:19] <jmcnaught> ,i nouveau-firmware
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1329[08:20:20] <judd> No package named
'nouveau-firmware' was found in stretch/amd64.
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1331[08:20:27] <jmcnaught> maxcell_: are you even using Debian?
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1332[08:20:46] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, i know you know:)
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1336[08:21:48] <jmcnaught> maxcell_: I don't appreciated
being deceived so I'm going to stop helping you. Come back when
you're running Debian, good luck.
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1337[08:21:59] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, i've tried debian,
manjaro and ubuntu, all have the same issue.
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1338[08:22:49] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, i was in debian, then
windows 10 replace the Efi bootloader, i didn't know what to
do, install ubuntu, same problem in wherever distro i install
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1339[08:23:13] <maxcell_> come on jmcnaught
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1340[08:23:58] <maxcell_> ubuntu has nobody able to support and
this problem is present on debian as well, i was in debian till this
morning when the windows 10 crash my boot
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1345[08:25:37] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, not even talking?
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1346[08:27:49] <maxcell_> wow
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1353[08:29:01] <jmcnaught> maxcell_: I went to do something else,
that I should have been doing while I thought I was helping someone
with Debian. Please get support in the channel for your distro or
try ##linux.
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1354[08:29:27] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, i prefer debian than ubuntu
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1356[08:29:32] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, the only reason im on ubuntu
since this morning
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1358[08:29:42] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, is because windows 10 screw
up my bootloader
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1360[08:29:57] <jmcnaught> maxcell_: it doesn't matter,
other distros are off topic here
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1365[08:30:49] <maxcell_> ok jmcnaught
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1367[08:31:22] <maxcell_> i wasn't trying to deceiving you,
just not telling you because i knew you wouldn't understand :)
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1370[08:32:07] <maxcell_> that sounds bad haha
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1371[08:32:27] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, S2
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1372[08:32:48] <maxcell_> let me go to ubuntu, where no one even
talk
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1455[09:10:03] <Watcher7> Does anyone know the proper packages to
pull for a minimal, but functional Xen install in 9.1? There seems
to have been a dummy package for it before, but now when I install
say "xen-system" the recommended QEMU package attempts to
pull down x11.
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1456[09:10:16] <Watcher7> I was wondering if someone more
knowledgeable about Xen could assist me before I
'--no-install-recommends' away something
"crucial" to a typical install like
'grub-xen-bin'/'grub-xen-host'.
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1460[09:10:42] <Watcher7> Do I even need QEMU for a Xen install?
It seems anything kernel 2.6+ ships with the proper
paravirtualization drivers by default making QEMU loss negligible.
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1463[09:11:08] <Watcher7> I plan on running only *nix guests
(Debian, CentOS/RHEL, Ubuntu, maybe an illumos child if Xen PV is
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1464[09:11:18] <Watcher7> Thanks.
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1552[09:44:55] <Haohmaru> the debian9 live lxde iso installs some
very interesting packages by default o_O
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1589[10:04:52] <vlt> Haohmaru: For example?
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1598[10:09:33] <toruvinn> maros, /lshn
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1599[10:09:35] <toruvinn> oops
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1600[10:09:37] <toruvinn> sorry!
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1629[10:24:48] <Haohmaru> vlt, tons and tons of packages related
to spelling, spell checking, dictionaries, and other such things for
any possible language
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1630[10:25:07] <Haohmaru> from chinese to khmer and everything
inbetween
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1633[10:25:48] <Haohmaru> the libreoffice documentation and
libreoffice itself had every possible language installed
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1635[10:26:10] <Haohmaru> and a pile of fonts for all those
exotic languages
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1638[10:27:19] <Haohmaru> also, a package with islamic tools..
why not!
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1639[10:27:43] <Haohmaru> i find all of that kinda weird
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1641[10:28:25] <vlt> Ah, *this* kind of “interesting”
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1643[10:29:14] <Haohmaru> i had no idea there's a language
called "gujarati"
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1646[10:30:18] <Haohmaru> now i'm uninstalling.. but they
are so many
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1648[10:30:50] <Haohmaru> it was about 2000 packages total versus
about 1400 packages after netinst install
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1650[10:32:16] <Haohmaru> and already much over 1.5GB worth of
space
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1665[10:42:45] <Haohmaru> also firefox-esr comes with all
language translations preinstalled x_x
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1666[10:42:59] <Haohmaru> this can't be right
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1671[10:44:21] <jrmu> Haohmaru: maybe try installing from
netinstall and then use apt with --no-install-recommends
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1672[10:45:10] <Haohmaru> well i installed from a live iso cuz i
wanted to see if it'll run on that machine first
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1673[10:45:11] <jrmu> sometimes recommended packages are a bit
unnecessary
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1674[10:45:33] <likcoras> It's not recommended to install
from live isos.
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1675[10:45:41] <likcoras> afaik.
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1676[10:45:51] <Haohmaru> after seeing that some things with the
live iso installator are not proper (root password wrong) i used
netinst to install debian on my own computer
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1677[10:46:13] <jrmu> Haohmaru: the live cds are great for
testing but I found the xfce live cd to have some small issues
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1678[10:46:13] <jrmu> I ended up using the netinstall for actual
installation
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1682[10:47:14] <jrmu> Haohmaru: yeah I had the same problem with
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1684[10:48:51] <Haohmaru> i'd reinstall it but unfortunately
i already began actual work on that machine
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1686[10:49:13] <Haohmaru> so i'm removing packages that look
weird
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1690[10:50:32] <Haohmaru> okay, i'm down to 1462 packages,
that's comparable to the netinst installation
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1703[10:57:19] <savumies> I looking into how to change the
behavior of the power button on debian 9 and most of what I see on
the web is about acpi/acpid and now it does not come installed. How
can I do it with systemd? Changing the option in logind.conf does
not seem to work properly. For instance, HandlePowerKey=poweroff
does not power the machine off.
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1705[10:57:35] <alwyn> Hi, I'm currently on jessie, using
sysvinit instead of systemd. Will I run into issues if I keep
sysvinit when upgrading to stretch? Should I reinstall systemd
before the upgrade?
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1710[10:59:03] <likcoras> savumies: look at
/etc/systemd/logind.conf
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1711[10:59:14] <likcoras> and logind.conf(5)
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1712[10:59:20] <likcoras> pretty self-explanatory.
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1804[11:33:47] <CrazyTux> hello, can SAP ERP be installed on
Debian 9?
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1807[11:34:40] <babilen> CrazyTux: You might be able to, but they
typically target/support RHEL/SLES
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1809[11:34:48] <babilen> What does SAP say about it?
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1821[11:38:48] <CrazyTux> babilen, ok. I just want to install it
and be able to use it.
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1823[11:39:20] <CrazyTux> It is ok if Debian is not officially
supported by SAP.
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1824[11:39:25] <jelly> CrazyTux, use the OS supported by your
vendor.
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1826[11:39:49] <CrazyTux> jelly, I want to install SAP for
learning it.
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1827[11:40:03] <jelly> learn it on the supported platform
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1828[11:40:36] <CrazyTux> Redhat and Suse and even Oracle linux
are not free.
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1829[11:40:47] <jelly> oracle linux is free to install.
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1830[11:40:49] <CrazyTux> I have Debian installed on my laptop.
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1831[11:41:13] <jelly> and they have a (time delayed) public repo
with patches, too
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1838[11:43:22] <jelly> using a wildly different OS is going to
result in unusual errors, and you won't be able to figure out
whether your platform is causing it or the app or what
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1840[11:43:38] <CrazyTux> do I still need to pay if I want to
install and use Oracle Linux?
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1845[11:45:48] <jelly> CrazyTux, ask in the appropriate channel
like
oracle or ##linux, and read what ##replaced-url
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1846[11:46:30] <jelly> that's literally the first google
result for oracle linux iso
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1850[11:48:50] <CrazyTux> ok
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1855[11:50:35] <vhx> Hi, how do you disable the default
"auto extract" feature from nautilus (stretch) when double
clicking on archives ? I find it annoying.
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hardware acceleration for Intel (QSV and openCL)?
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1884[12:04:16] <Fyr> I found some kernels with ZFS, Intel's
ethernet drivers.
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1885[12:04:24] <Fyr> but no QSV and openCL.
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1899[12:11:04] <hyper_ch> how can I tell if the mailx programm is
actually heirloom-mailx?
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1903[12:11:57] <jelly> hyper_ch, dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which
mailx))
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1907[12:12:46] <jelly> or step by step: ls -l /usr/bin/mailx, ls
-l /etc/alternatives/mailx, then dpkg -S that one
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bsd-mailx for some reason
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1912[12:13:19] <jelly> that's the default.
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1913[12:13:45] <jelly> use update-alternatives
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stretch
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1917[12:14:01] <hyper_ch> and it seems that got changed back
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1918[12:14:28] <jelly> possibly worth filing a bug report if you
have logs of that release upgrade
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1919[12:15:09] <hyper_ch> nah don't have
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1920[12:16:06] <hyper_ch> hmmm, next issue
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1921[12:16:08] <hyper_ch> update-alternatives --set mailx
/usr/bin/heirloom-mailx
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1922[12:16:09] <hyper_ch> update-alternatives: error: alternative
/usr/bin/heirloom-mailx for mailx not registered; not setting
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update-alternatives?
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1981[12:39:58] <jelly> s-nail (14.8.14-2) unstable;
urgency=medium
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1982[12:39:58] <jelly> * Remove mailx alternative for s-nail /
heirloom-mailx (Closes: #846062).
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1983[12:39:59] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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1984[12:40:21] <jushur> Fyr: make your own.
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1985[12:40:31] <hyper_ch> jelly: I fixed it by adding heirloom
first... but why wasn't that the case... well, maybe I have a
broken system
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1986[12:40:32] <Fyr> =(
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1987[12:40:55] <Fyr> I've compiled too many kernels.
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1988[12:41:16] <Fyr> so now I prefer to stay out of compilation.
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1995[12:42:25] <hyper_ch> jelly: that's why... well,
heirloom has a few nice things... easy fiel attachement useing -a
and using smtp is also simple :)
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1996[12:42:27] <jelly> hyper_ch, the linked bug shows why it got
removed
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1998[12:42:56] <jelly> basically, an incompatibility vs.
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1999[12:43:07] <hyper_ch> but heirloom is superior :)
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2001[12:43:31] <jelly> and you're free to propose a solution
and fix all the scripts that depend on bsd-mailx features
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2004[12:43:55] <jelly> (mainly, -a does different things in those
two)
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2005[12:44:04] <hyper_ch> is moving those scripts to /dev/null
considered a proper solution? :)
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2006[12:44:41] <hyper_ch> the problem is the upgrade from 8 to 9
- because of that - broke my scan-to-email script
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2007[12:44:51] <hyper_ch> because bsd-mailx can't do smtp
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2008[12:45:58] <hyper_ch> anyway, found the problem and fixed it
now :) thx jelly
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2015[12:47:49] <jelly> hyper_ch, consider using /usr/bin/s-nail
or /usr/bin/heirloom-mailx in your script directly
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2017[12:48:12] <jelly> who knows if the mailx alternative
situation is going to be fixed
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2023[12:51:00] <hyper_ch> jelly: actually a good solution :)
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2027[12:53:05] <hyper_ch> jelly:
replaced-url
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2032[12:53:56] <jelly> yeah, I have a smarthost for that
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2033[12:54:08] <hyper_ch> here with proper indents:
replaced-url
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2034[12:54:16] <jelly> that accepts submission from my servers
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2035[12:55:43] <jelly> or nullmailer or msmtp-mta or dma
configured to send via smtp auth
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2037[12:56:02] <hyper_ch> that sounds way too complicated :)
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2038[12:56:15] <hyper_ch> so, time for cold brewed coffee :)
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2041[12:56:33] <jelly> just one place to configure for all the
mail going out of a machine
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2042[12:57:22] <jelly> (but a MTA like nullmailer still
doesn't solve attachments)
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2043[12:57:39] <hyper_ch> attachement with heirloom is easy :)
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2044[12:57:43] <hyper_ch> -a /path/to/file
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2046[12:58:01] <hyper_ch> and my scanned files first get pushed
through OCR
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2047[12:58:10] <hyper_ch> then with pdftk a blank page is added
to the end
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2051[12:59:00] <hyper_ch> and it gets a digital signature with a
qualified timestamp - so it can be proven that said documented
existed in that form at that date/time and hasn't been altered
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2052[12:59:12] <hyper_ch> then it gets renamed to current time
stamp and also page count is added
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2053[12:59:28] <hyper_ch> finally it's stored on the samba
server (vpn-access only) or sent by email
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2084[13:11:40] <bikko> Halo max??
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2085[13:11:48] <bikko> Are u there?
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2089[13:14:36] <jelly> bikko, hi! Do you have a debian support
question?
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2090[13:14:41] <jelly> !ask
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2091[13:14:42] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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2092[13:15:25] <bikko> No , i from webmaster.
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2093[13:16:08] <jelly> someone may have pointed you to the wrong
support place, then
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2096[13:16:30] <jelly> this particular channel is about Debian, a
linux distro
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2124[13:31:36] <bikko> All talk back about irc?
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2131[13:37:37] <oerheks> bikko, no, about debian
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2132[13:39:16] <bikko> Drones?virus?programming?programme?
Scripting?
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2136[13:39:49] <Haohmaru> debian chocolate waffles
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2138[13:40:05] <Haohmaru> with vanilla and dark chocolate
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2140[13:40:50] <bikko> I have a coke
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2141[13:40:59] <petn-randall> !ot
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2142[13:40:59] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for
Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and
take longer discussions and non-support questions to
#debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of
people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few
minutes every day.
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2155[13:48:01] <bikko> Hmm
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2159[13:49:08] <jelly> !offtopic
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2160[13:49:09] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for
Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and
take longer discussions and non-support questions to
#debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of
people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few
minutes every day.
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2161[13:49:41] <jelly> /join ##chat
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2162[13:49:58] <jelly> if you want a place just to chat about
random stuff
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2163[13:50:03] <bikko> Unban 1st
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2166[13:51:06] <BluesKaj> Hi all
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2177[13:56:02] <will_> i followed a tutorial to make a user with
the privilege to create a db, but I tried to create one now, as my
normal user, and it said i dont have a role
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2178[13:56:11] <will_> how to connect as that user?
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2179[13:56:19] <will_> or create as
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2180[13:56:48] <n00b32> what db .o0 ?
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2181[13:57:14] <will_> postgres
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2182[13:57:32] <will_> # su - postgres -c "createuser
replaced-url
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2183[13:57:36] <will_> # su - postgres -c "createuser -g
replaced-url
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2184[13:57:38] <n00b32> su postgress
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2185[13:57:41] <n00b32> :D
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2186[13:58:00] <will_> lol postgresql
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2187[13:58:03] <vhx> how do you disable the default "auto
extract" feature from nautilus (stretch) when double clicking
on archives ? I find it annoying.
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2190[13:59:20] <n00b32> ALTER USER
replaced-url
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2191[13:59:29] <n00b32> oh
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2192[13:59:31] <n00b32> wow
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2193[13:59:41] <will_> how do i run that command from terminal
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2194[14:00:10] <will_> not like i've launched a postgres
session
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2195[14:00:12] <bikko> Shit to many can't use commands
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2196[14:00:49] <n00b32> what u did i really dont know what you
are trying to do then... u need to run psql from postgress user
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2197[14:01:14] <BluesKaj> !u
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2198[14:01:14] <dpkg> Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*.
U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for
'you' (formal singular). See
replaced-url
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2199[14:01:49] <BluesKaj> n00b32,^
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2200[14:02:02] <n00b32> im sure this helped him a lot more
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2201[14:02:09] <n00b32> let me get into the general mood
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2202[14:02:09] <will_> I attempted to do
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2203[14:02:10] <bikko> HBO koboi?
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2204[14:02:10] <will_> $ createdb -O
replaced-url
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2205[14:02:26] <n00b32> will_ , go to #postgres
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2208[14:05:05] <n00b32> will_ those commands are not shell
commands, they are psql commands
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2209[14:05:11] <jelly> will_, open a shell as user postgres, (su
- postgres), run psql there, then run psql stuff
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2211[14:05:37] <jelly> most administration of postgres is done as
user postgres
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2221[14:11:05] <will_> does su have a default password?
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2222[14:11:13] <will_> I dont remember setting one
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2223[14:11:45] <towo^work> su has no passwort
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2225[14:11:55] <towo^work> su stands for substitude user
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2226[14:12:11] <Haohmaru> substitute maybe?
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2227[14:12:13] <towo^work> and after su without anything other,
you need the root password
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2228[14:12:46] <zigurat> Hi. I have a short question. If I have
"clamav: install \n\t dh_systemd_enable $@.service" is the
same of having "clamav: install \n\t dh_systemd_enable
$@.service". ie the $@ is standard bash expansion?
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2229[14:12:57] <zigurat> This is in the rules file
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2235[14:15:14] <will_> I still get authentication failure
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2236[14:15:24] <will_> when i dont enter a password
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2237[14:16:07] <inch> will_: su - postgres will ask for password
of postgres which is probably not set.
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2238[14:16:07] <will_> is it okay to just use sudo in its place?
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2239[14:16:15] <inch> Try sudo -u postgres psql
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2246[14:17:20] <will_> inch: postrgres began thank you
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2247[14:17:32] <will_> now how do i make it show al current users
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2251[14:18:22] <inch> I'm no expert at this, but try SELECT
* from pg_roles;
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2253[14:18:59] <will_> ahh that wokred ty
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2255[14:19:54] <will_> i see 4 users can i get it to show me the
passwords?
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2256[14:20:02] <n00b32> just a bit more meta - why would you want
a database user named
replaced-url
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2261[14:20:40] <petn-randall> will_: postgres doesn't save
passwords in clear text.
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2262[14:20:42] <will_> i did not make a db called
replaced-url
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2265[14:21:20] <will_> n00b32:
replaced-url
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2267[14:21:33] <will_> crtl-f: configuring postgres
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2268[14:21:57] <will_> That can explain it better than i would
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2272[14:22:17] <will_> some stuff about security and minimum
privileges and such
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2275[14:22:49] <will_> petn-randall: so can i remove a user and
re add with a password i might remember this time?
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2280[14:23:31] <n00b32> oh well. all i can say is its not a very
good tutorial then...
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2281[14:23:36] <n00b32> ALTER USER "user_name" WITH
PASSWORD 'new_password';
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2297[14:29:47] <armin> any hint what i could do if my laptop
display is not waking up again after a system suspend when opening
the lid? switching to a tty works (i see a log in prompt), killing
the X server and starting it again from a tty also works.
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2312[14:38:20] <Brigo> armin, i would try unloading the graphic
module in any hook (if posible).
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2329[14:45:49] <cruncher> armin, instead of killing the server,
try killing the process light-locker and see if that helped
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2350[14:57:16] <armin> cruncher: uh, interesting. i didn't
know it exists.
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2353[14:57:26] <armin> cruncher: i'm using xfce with
xscreensaver if that matters.
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2354[14:57:28] <koza__> hello
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2355[14:57:55] <cruncher> armin, ok, if you dont have
light-locker installed... then forget my suggestion
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2356[14:58:26] <koza__> русские есть?
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2357[14:58:35] <cruncher> !ru
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2358[14:58:36] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста,
говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian
(irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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2360[14:58:40] <armin> cruncher: i did have that installed as it
was a dependency of task-xfce-desktop, which i installed by choosing
xfce desktop from the installer, obviously. so your suggestion was
completely correct and very helpful.
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2361[14:58:40] <bashley> hi
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2362[14:58:42] <bashley> Ubuntu, how can I run immediately a
cronjob script - or at least validate its syntax? I want to be sure!
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2363[14:58:46] <bashley> *or Debian
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2364[14:58:47] <bashley> well
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2366[14:58:58] <koza__> !ru
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2367[14:58:58] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста,
говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian
(irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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2369[14:59:04] <armin> cruncher: so yes, perfect hint. thanks a
lot for your kind help!
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2370[14:59:29] <armin> cruncher: will see if that helps. thanks
again.
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2371[14:59:37] <cruncher> armin, you are welcome
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2372[14:59:53] <n00b32> koza__, DNDDDDNDDDNDDNDDND?34DND !
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2375[15:00:31] <koza__> ahahha
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2376[15:00:35] <koza__> lol
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2378[15:00:44] <bashley> anyone?
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2379[15:00:59] <bashley> How to run a cronjob immediately? An
easy way! I also want to see whether the commands inside logged
anything to terminal!
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2380[15:01:20] <koza__> ?
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2383[15:01:52] <koza__> Ufrom?
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2384[15:02:01] <towo^work> koza__, stop that!
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2385[15:02:09] <towo^work> koza__, that is not a social chat
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2388[15:02:54] <koza__> :c
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2397[15:04:59] <koza__> my debian 9 (crunchdang++),u system
origin debian ?
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2398[15:05:13] <koza__> he*
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2400[15:05:38] <fourhundred> how can I install firefox-esr 45.9
on Wheezy ?
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2401[15:05:47] <towo^work> if it has another name like debian,
it's not debian
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2402[15:05:53] <fourhundred> apt only offers me the newer 52.2
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2413[15:08:52] <angor> fourhundred:
replaced-url
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2414[15:11:36] <koza__> #!++ no debian? it's debian 9 for
openbox + pack crunchbang's
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2416[15:11:49] <fourhundred> angor, I meant an official debian
package
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2419[15:11:50] <towo^work> it's not debian
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2421[15:12:02] <koza__> it'sdebian 9!
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2422[15:12:14] <towo^work> no, it's crunchbang
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2423[15:12:21] <towo^work> otherwise it would be named debian
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2424[15:12:23] <koza__> yes
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2425[15:12:39] <towo^work> and no one here do support for
crunchbang
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2427[15:12:56] <angor> fourhundred: what for?
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2428[15:13:16] <angor> fourhundred: weg + tar +
../path/to/firefox
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2429[15:13:47] <koza__> crunchbang it is debian, full pack debian
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2430[15:14:04] <fourhundred> what's wrong with asking in
#debian, how to get a debian package ?
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2432[15:14:18] <fourhundred> what do you mean "what
for" ?
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2433[15:14:20] <koza__> in ubuntu not debian pack,it is not
debian!
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2434[15:14:28] <fourhundred> what do I need a browser for ?
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2437[15:15:43] <angor> fourhundred: you don't need a
browser, you need an EXACT VERSION of debian package
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2438[15:16:13] <fourhundred> correct. can you tell me where I can
get it ?
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2440[15:16:32] <dontknow> fourhundred, you can download this. it
is 64 bit
replaced-url
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2441[15:16:54] <towo^work> he wants a deb
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2442[15:17:00] <towo^work> fourhundred,
replaced-url
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2443[15:17:00] <koza__> i have chromium
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2445[15:17:07] <fourhundred> official deb
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2446[15:17:11] <koza__> +
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2447[15:17:17] <towo^work> fourhundred,
replaced-url
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2448[15:17:46] <fourhundred> towo^work, thanks
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2449[15:17:55] <angor>
replaced-url
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2450[15:18:03] <angor> towo^work: you won :)
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2467[15:30:12] <koza__> ?
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2483[15:36:14] <protonesso_> test
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2484[15:36:20] <koza__> )
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2486[15:36:25] <koza__> yes
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2487[15:36:31] <koza__> it's test
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2488[15:36:32] <koza__> )
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2491[15:37:05] <jelly> koza__, keep your comments in here to tech
support, please. If you want to chat, we have #debian-offtopic and
there's network-wide ##chat
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2492[15:37:34] <n00b32> i guess he thinks everone is replying to
him cause of language barrier ;/
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2497[15:39:12] <koza__> i'm sorry
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2549[16:04:29] <gusgg> Is there a way to find reverse
depenendencies on packages.debian.org ?
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2556[16:13:23] <_rubik> gusgg: IIRC ... apt-cache rdepeneds
<package>
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2562[16:15:37] <_rubik> the --installed flag might also be
helpfil
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2563[16:15:48] <_rubik> helpful*
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2567[16:17:38] <gusgg> _rubik: thanks! I was hoping there was a
way to get reverse dependencies through the website (the same way
you can see a packages dependencies)
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2578[16:24:49] <sparky4> startx is still kill
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2580[16:25:49] <jelly> gusgg, those are not explicit so you need
a database with all the packages, like
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2581[16:25:51] <jelly> !udd
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2582[16:25:51] <dpkg> The Ultimate Debian Database (UDD) is an
effort to gather lots of useful information about Debian from a
variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant PostgreSQL
database.
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2585[16:26:31] <jelly> judd, rdepends mail-transport-agent
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2588[16:27:30] <jelly> maybe not
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2643[16:50:59] <greycat> This was "fun":
replaced-url
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2649[16:52:16] <sdfsdf> can I plug in an android phone through
usb and get data inside /com folders without root on the phone?
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2652[16:53:05] <jolt> sdfsdf: I guess that is pretty much outside
of what #debian can help you with
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2656[16:54:12] <sdfsdf> jolt: well, i'm using a debian
distro so unless you know more than the hundreds of users in here..
don't be so dumb to talk in the name of everyone ; )
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2660[16:55:12] <n00b32> 1) depends on rom 2) you can get in the
folders but wont have permissions for anything fun like databases
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2664[16:56:31] <n00b32> and i really dont like the whole mess
with mysql->mariadb
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2671[16:58:58] <tytan> Hello everyone. It looks like openZFS is
not in the standard repository of Debian 9. What do I have to do to
install openZFS with apt?
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2673[16:59:27] <greycat> ,info zfsutils-linux
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2674[16:59:29] <judd> Package zfsutils-linux (contrib/admin,
optional) in stretch/amd64: command-line tools to manage OpenZFS
filesystems. Version: 0.6.5.9-5; Size: 327.6k; Installed: 1087k;
Homepage:
replaced-url
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2676[17:00:07] <tytan> ok, but what does it mean?
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2677[17:00:49] <greycat> There is a package named
"zfsutils-linux" which I found by running "apt-cache
search --names-only zfs".
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2680[17:01:16] <tytan> "apt-get install zfsutils-linux"
doesn't work for me
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2681[17:01:17] <greycat> zfs-dkms also looks kinda important, but
I don't know anything about zfs, so good luck.
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2682[17:01:34] <greycat> It's in contrib, which you may not
have in your sources.list yet.
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2694[17:05:03] <tytan> I just added "contrib non-free"
behind "main" in my sources.list. Is that correct?
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2695[17:05:10] <greycat> Yeah, and apt-get update
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2700[17:06:02] <tytan> I stil can't see that package
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2702[17:07:14] <greycat> You added " contrib non-free"
on *all* of your sources, right? Not just one?
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2707[17:08:30] <jelly> ,v zfs-dkms
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2708[17:08:32] <judd> Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 --
jessie-backports/contrib: 0.6.5.9-2~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib:
0.6.5.9-5; buster/contrib: 0.6.5.10-1; sid/contrib: 0.6.5.11-1
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2709[17:08:44] <jelly> looks like it exists in stretch
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2710[17:09:06] <greycat> I'm guessing he still hasn't
got sources.list quite right, or didn't run apt-get update tet.
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2711[17:09:07] <jelly> tytan, there's no package named
exactly openzfs
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2712[17:09:25] <jelly> forgetting to do an apt-get update is very
common
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2720[17:13:47] <tytan> I think I got my sources.list wrong
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/etc/apt/sources.list wrong. I used this generator "replaced-url
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2831[18:01:46] <jhutchins_wk> Any recommendations for a web-based
IRC client that can maintain persistent sessions? Something to run
on the home server so I can have continuity from work.
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2834[18:03:32] <Bsadowski1> jhutchins_wk: A lot of people use a
cloud based one called IRCCloud
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2835[18:03:39] <jdfish> jhutchins_wk: irccloud allows you to stay
a while while you're detached. if you pay, i think you can stay
even longer without them disconnecting you
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2837[18:03:42] <verm1n> jhutchins_wk:
replaced-url
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2840[18:04:12] <verm1n> znc + convos combo. or just convos
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2843[18:04:23] <jdfish> jhutchins_wk: that being said, you can
also run ZNC on a home server, and then use, say, kiwiirc to connect
to it
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2849[18:05:59] <bodom> Hi there! I have problems with the new
Debian 9 ssh console: it behaves differently in some cases; by
example, when I write a line that is longer than the screen width, i
get weird behavior instead of it going to a new line
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2851[18:06:25] <bodom> I suppose something has been changed in
the default "emulation" or somewhat like that
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2853[18:06:54] <DammitJim> gosh, I don't even know who or
where to ask this question... I joined my debian machine to AD with
samba, pam, kerberos
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2854[18:07:09] <greycat> bodom: 1) there is no "ssh
console". Perhaps you mean a terminal, or a shell, or
something. 2) This sounds like you've got a bash PS1 prompt
with incorrectly enclosed escape sequences in it.
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2856[18:07:11] <DammitJim> it seems that the same local user
can't exist if the domain has the same one
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2857[18:07:33] <greycat> bodom: Can you confirm that you are
talking about the behavior while typing a command inside bash?
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check my $PS1
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2863[18:08:40] <RandomGuyOnIrc> when I run, "sudo smem
-u" I get these columns, "User Count Swap USS PSS
RSS". What do USS, PSS and RSS mean?
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2869[18:12:23] <RandomGuyOnIrc> Nevermind, I found it here:
replaced-url
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2872[18:13:15] <bodom> greycat: yep, $PS1 was screwed up. But
i've checked and in the default installad it is different, so
it is not a Debian issue in the end. Thank you
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2873[18:13:38] <greycat> bodom: Any escape sequences in PS1 have
to be enclosed in \[ \]
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2877[18:15:39] <greycat> (The actual requirement is, any
character sequence that doesn't make the cursor change
position.)
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2903[18:23:36] <cusco> hey
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2904[18:23:55] <cusco> installed python-pymysql
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2905[18:24:10] <cusco> in the shell just type python, and inside
python shell I type: import pymysql
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2906[18:24:11] <cusco> all good
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2910[18:24:30] <cusco> if I have a file that has a line: import
pymysql, and run it with python interpreter, itt errors stating
cannto find module
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2911[18:24:33] <cusco> what am I missing ?
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2912[18:24:59] <gusgg> jelly: thanks for the UDD link!
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3008[19:05:49] <KMnO4> Hello, I don't have the /etc/shells
file, the file was probably removed during the upgrade, what can I
do?
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3009[19:06:11] <greycat> Copy it from another Debian system, or
just put a bunch of shells in it.
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3016[19:13:47] <KMnO4> greycat: why did it happen?
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3018[19:14:15] <greycat> I have no idea what you did. This is not
a thing I"ve ever seen happen, nor heard anyone else ask about
that I can recall.
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3020[19:15:43] <KMnO4> greycat: I did apt-get upgrade then
apt-get dist-upgrade because I have noticed that the system
wasn't upgraded
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3023[19:16:50] <greycat> Neither of those should remove
/etc/shells because it's not even part of a package.
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3026[19:17:09] <greycat> Maybe you found a bug, or you have a
third party package with a horribly broken prerm script.
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3029[19:18:50] <KMnO4> nah I don't have any third party
package...
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3034[19:21:06] <rhizome> i've enabled the experimental repo
to get firefox 55, pinning it in /etc/apt/preferences. is that all i
have to do to keep experimental from leaking into my updates?
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3038[19:22:02] <Johjny> Does OpenSSH run as root?
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3039[19:22:26] <rhizome> Johjny: sshd does, yes.
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3042[19:23:40] <greycat> The parent sshd does, because it has to
be able to listen on a "privileged" port, and be able to
switch to any other UID.
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3044[19:23:56] <greycat> Once you authenticate, the child sshd
runs as you.
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3045[19:23:57] <Johjny> Thank you :),so it basically changes uid
and gid for the channel and creates a pty?
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3049[19:24:44] <greycat> Those are some of the things it does,
yes.
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3053[19:25:33] <Johjny> Thanks :), I want to understand Linux and
esp. Debian on a higher level
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3101[19:49:42] <marioxcc> Hello.
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3106[19:51:42] <pie3> how do you download youtube video?
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3107[19:51:47] <deego> youtube-dl
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3108[19:52:28] <greycat> Wow, the package description for
youtube-dl is just stupidly long.
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3109[19:52:42] <greycat> wooledg:~$ apt-cache show youtube-dl |
wc
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3110[19:52:42] <greycat> 1019 1138 13729
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3111[19:53:48] <nkuttler> keyword stuffing package descriptions?
eh..
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3115[19:55:53] <marioxcc> I am stuck with aptitude. I marked a
package "xserver-xorg-input-libinput" to uninstall, then
it showed dependency conflics, so I selected one possible
resolution.
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3117[19:56:07] <marioxcc> I have not uninstalled anything.
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3118[19:56:27] <marioxcc> but I want to *undo* this (the pending
actions). I did select "forget pending actions" in the
menu but nothing happens.
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3122[19:57:06] <marioxcc> How can I actually cancell the pending
actions?
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3123[19:57:36] <debbly> hi
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3128[19:59:30] <debbly> So you accidentally moved/borked your
/etc/hosts file. And you are not root - but use sudo...
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3129[19:59:34] <debbly> well, then you are screwed, aren't
you?
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3130[20:00:18] <greycat> Restore it from backup. Or reconstruct a
basic one.
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3131[20:00:21] <greycat> There shouldn't be much in it.
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3142[20:03:28] <debbly> greycat: the issue is that you need sudo
for root permissions, for fixing the /etc/hosts file. But for using
sudo you need proper /etc/hosts file.
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3143[20:03:40] <greycat> Just login as root on a console.
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3147[20:04:46] <greycat> If you can't do that, boot from
rescue media and fix it, or follow /msg dpkg i forgot root's
password
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3148[20:05:57] <pie3> is it possible to have multiple clocks in
computer?
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3153[20:06:48] <nkuttler> pie3: i like tzwatch
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3154[20:07:05] <greycat> I thought he meant hardware clocks...
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3168[20:09:21] <pie3> yes hardware clocks greycat nkuttler
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3171[20:10:41] <debbly> greycat: root login has been disabled for
security reasons and best practices. Maybe su command instead suo?
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3172[20:10:42] <debbly> *sudo
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3175[20:12:35] <greycat> I do not know what you mean by that
first sentence. I *thought* you meant, originally, that you had not
given a root password *at all*, which would make direct root
*console* logins impossible, as well as sudo from non-root, but then
you implied you could just su and be done with it, so ...
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3176[20:12:40] <greycat> *shrug*
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3177[20:12:56] <greycat> I also don't know what makes you
POSSIBLY think that disabling root console logins is a
"security reason" or a "best practice".
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3178[20:13:14] <greycat> If "They" have access to your
console, they have access to the hardware, so the game is over.
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3181[20:13:31] <marioxcc> I want to undo these pending actions:
replaced-url
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3183[20:13:39] <marioxcc> If I do Actions->Cancel pending
actions this is what I get:
replaced-url
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3184[20:13:42] <marioxcc> How can I remove them?
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3185[20:13:56] <marioxcc> pressing "e" makes it stuck
on examining ways to resolve dependencies
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3186[20:14:00] <marioxcc> (remove the pending actions, NOT the
packages)
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3188[20:14:13] <nkuttler> press q?
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3193[20:15:43] <DavidMAURER> hello, can you help me to configure
wifi in the file /etc/network/interfaces (debian 8) ?
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3194[20:15:45] <marioxcc> nkuttler: That just quits aptitude. It
solves nothing.
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3195[20:15:49] <debbly> greycat: well, TIL that you can lock
yourself out of these systems by just changing the /etc/hosts file.
Fair enough - all systems files have the potential for this... so
one should be careful tampering with these.
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3197[20:16:13] <greycat> News to me too. Is it simply that sudo
tries to look up "localhost" or something?
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3198[20:16:21] <greycat> Or does it actually try to lookup your
hostname?
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3200[20:18:01] <debbly> greycat: indeed, it uses it for
hostanme/localhost lookup because sudo can be configured for
granular access that also can involve the hostname
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3201[20:18:14] <debbly> and there is no graceful fallback, when
it cannot resolve it will just fail
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3202[20:18:32] <greycat> I mean, which one? So you can
"poison" your nameserver to server that up and work around
the problem.
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3203[20:19:21] <greycat> Oh well, booting in super-rescue mode is
probably easier.
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3204[20:20:25] <debbly> yes, but the nameserver thing is a cool
idea btw
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3205[20:20:33] <debbly> maybe one can craft an attack against
sudo somehow? :O
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3212[20:22:39] <DavidMAURER> how to know if it's wep or wpa
or ... wifi ?
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3217[20:25:24] <cser> long time ago I found a website that seems
can request Debian to include a particular package. That acts a bit
like wish list. But I can no longer find it. Any place or debian
mailing list can issue such request?
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3218[20:25:34] <abrotman> !rfp
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3219[20:25:35] <dpkg> Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask
for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See
replaced-url
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3220[20:25:43] <abrotman> that?
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3221[20:26:34] <abrotman> cser: ?
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3226[20:29:26] <marioxcc> Is there a way to remove the pending
changes of aptitude byIs there a way to remove the pending changes
of aptitude by deleting some file? deleting some file?
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3235[20:31:23] <cser> @abrotman that seems just a report system
for packages (already in debian) e.g. requiring maintainer not
package not yet existing in the apt repos.
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3236[20:31:43] <cser> but thanks for the information!
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3242[20:33:31] <gert_> I just installed a NVidia graphics card,
drivers are working alls well, but I noticed a lot of radeon and amd
packages are installed. when I try to apt remove them it lists a
bunch of other packages for removal like 'task-desktop'
and 'xserver-video-all' I don't think I want to
remove those, should I just keep the amd/radeon packages?
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3245[20:34:37] <greycat> ,info xserver-video-all
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3246[20:34:38] <judd> No package named
'xserver-video-all' was found in stretch/amd64.
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3249[20:34:55] <greycat> ,info xserver-xorg-xorg-video-all
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3250[20:34:56] <judd> No package named
'xserver-xorg-xorg-video-all' was found in stretch/amd64.
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3251[20:35:04] <gert_> yeah that one, sorry
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3252[20:35:06] <greycat> grrrr
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3253[20:35:10] <greycat> ,info xserver-xorg-video-all
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3254[20:35:11] <judd> Package xserver-xorg-video-all (x11,
optional) in stretch/amd64: X.Org X server -- output driver
metapackage. Version: 1:7.7+19; Size: 37.1k; Installed: 46k;
Homepage:
replaced-url
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3255[20:35:21] <greycat> See, it's nothing important.
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3256[20:35:42] <greycat> Likewise, nothing that begins with task-
is important.
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3257[20:36:11] <gert_> okay thanks, I'll apt show through
the list anyways just to make sure :)
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3265[20:40:38] <AMartin> Hi, I have just installed Debian 9.1 on
an old hardware, yet from LiveCD with LXDE everything was working
fine. Decided to install it, and then after reboot I couldn't
get anything else but a black screen. I have removed lightdm and now
I can at least have console, but whenever I run startx with lxde or
awesome, I only gen black screen with a cursor (and can move around)
but nothing else. Anyone had anything similar?
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3279[20:44:00] <greycat> Oh, I can't wait to learn what the
new bugs are in the 9.1.0 live images....
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3280[20:44:04] <n4dir> AMartin: what i would do first of all is
use the default installation medium instead of the LiveCD to
install. It is known for problems
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3285[20:45:46] <marioxcc> I solved the problem: "sudo
aptitude keep-all". It's incredible that this worked, but
"forget pending actions" did not work.
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3287[20:46:02] <AMartin> n4dir: ah, was thinking how much it is
different if this could be the cause. I'll try the
'oryginal' version then and hopefully this would solve the
issue, thx
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3289[20:46:31] <greycat> Oh, hey, there's a list of bugs on
replaced-url
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3291[20:47:55] <gp_> how to import 20 ttfs at a time using Files
or Terminal?
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3292[20:47:59] <SuperTramp83> I'm having an issue compiling
libmesode on 9 (used to work just fine on Deb 8), hope someone
knowledgeable will give me a tip ->
replaced-url
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3294[20:48:42] <n4dir> AMartin: i got no idea if it will solve
your problem (i don't even guess it will). But it will remove
sure other (possible) problems and will make troubleshooting more
easy (at least no one will start to complain about the liveCD
installer :-) ).
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3297[20:49:14] <gp_> got it! /usr/local/share/fonts
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3299[20:50:11] <n4dir> i always forget what is the log file for
errors. ~/.xsession-errors ? /var/log/Xorg.0.log might be an idea
too (back then i also got info after running startx, but not sure if
that still works).
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3300[20:50:20] <BluesKaj> wouldn't having a window manager
and a DE installed together put a heaver load on X and cause
problems?
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3301[20:50:44] <AMartin> n4dir: true, I'll do the net
install with only base system, install lxde or awesome and see how
it goes. Mind it's an old hardware so it may take some time,
but will be back to let you know how it went
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3302[20:50:47] <greycat> Xorg.0.log for errors from the X server
side, and ~/.xsession-errors for errors from the X client side,
unless they go somewhere else
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3303[20:50:47] <BluesKaj> especially with old HW
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3305[20:50:55] <n4dir> AMartin: good luck.
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3306[20:50:57] <greycat> and Xorg.0.log can be in one of two
different places now
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3307[20:51:29] <n4dir> greycat: thanks. AMartin make a note about
the files greycat mentioned, and if problems occur, look at those
files before asking here.
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3309[20:52:10] <n4dir> BluesKaj: imho No. And i have no idea how
that should be possible (but ... well ... just another user).
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3315[20:53:35] <BluesKaj> I'm asking because I really
don't know, n4dir ...mere speculation on my part
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3316[20:53:52] <AMartin> thanks guys, I've seen Xorg.0.log,
not many clues there. Will try the second one ~/.xsession-errors
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3319[20:54:43] <n4dir> say you install open-office (or such) and
never use it. How should it use ressources (like said, more of a
speculation from me too, but it doesn't make much sense to me
to assume otherwise). BluesKaj
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3320[20:55:00] <greycat> If you never run it, the only resource
it takes up is disk space.
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3324[20:55:23] <n4dir> AMartin: i for one would reinstall from a
different medium anyway. just saying
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3328[20:56:39] <n4dir> and, btw, BluesKaj awesome (as an example
for a window manager) uses ca 12 MB of RAM. Looking at firefox, i
don't care much about those 12 RAM :-)
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3331[20:57:55] <BluesKaj> yes I'm, aware of that greycat, so
the awesome WM is a separate process , and unused just idles if the
DE is logged into
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3333[20:57:58] <AMartin> n4dir: just burning a CD with Debian
netinst. There is no ~/.xsession-errors file though, and I would
spot it as I'm modifying the ~/.xinitrc file (same directory)
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3340[20:59:34] <n4dir> AMartin: these days some people mentioned
the need to be part of the .... hmm .... video group ? (problems to
start X, this way or the other) I only read it while chilling here,
so it is a very vague hint.
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3343[20:59:58] <greycat> If it were a permissions issue, I would
think you would get a clear error message.
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3348[21:00:41] <AMartin> n4dir: greycat, well I tried to run
startx from my user and a root user, same outcome
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3352[21:03:42] <n4dir> back then i did simply ctrl+alt+F1 to go
where i ran "startx" and could see if it gave some error
messages. But i think something has changed.
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3353[21:04:03] <greycat> Yeah, that changed in jessie. X runs in
the same tty where you ran startx now.
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3354[21:04:18] <greycat> Instead of creating tty7.
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3356[21:04:49] <n4dir> greycat: and how would it be possible to
see the messages of "startx" ?
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3361[21:05:30] <greycat> redirect it to a file...?
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3363[21:05:56] <n4dir> ha. so easy. duh.
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3365[21:06:03] <greycat> It hasn't been an issue for me, so
I haven't had to try.
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3367[21:06:24] <n4dir> yeah, been ages i had problems like that.
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3373[21:09:47] <pie3> is there any website offering free TLD? and
free web server? if opensource it would be better
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3376[21:10:26] <greycat> I don't think anyone is going to
hand you the keys to an ENTIRE top level domain.
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3377[21:10:41] <greycat> Even a SINGLE domain name costs money.
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3398[21:19:49] <iodev> Hey greycat
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