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1[00:00:42] <hacktivista> No, I mean as root
2[00:00:46] <hacktivista> that is...
3[00:00:50] <hacktivista> # root
4[00:00:54] <hacktivista> No command found
5[00:01:04] <hacktivista> crap... sorry... again
6[00:01:07] <hacktivista> # reboot
7[00:01:10] <hacktivista> no command found
8[00:01:13] <humpled> yes
9[00:01:15] <hacktivista> # sudo reboot
10[00:01:17] <hacktivista> reboots
11[00:01:23] <humpled> it's about how you become root
12[00:01:31] <whislock> You're elevating to root via 'su' instead of 'su -'.
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14[00:01:40] <whislock> The former doesn't have the necessary paths in PATH.
15[00:01:55] <hacktivista> ahmm... understood
16[00:02:11] <hacktivista> curious, I don't remember that happening on debian 9
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18[00:02:30] <whislock> Slightly more precise explanation: 'su' only changes your context to root. It does not spawn a login shell, which means that various profiles aren't loaded.
19[00:02:34] <whislock> 'su -', however, does.
20[00:02:45] <whislock> su has worked that way for... a long time.
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25[00:05:39] <hacktivista> ok, thanks :)
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31[00:09:14] <nixonix> theres sudo group ready in debian, so adding the user to it.. but too late
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43[00:12:41] <whislock> I don't think that was the issue.
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50[00:16:34] <nixonix> i thought it worked, when he was in root, he still couldnt execute the root commands without preceding sudo. if i dont remember wrong, adding the user to sudo solved that (then as a user, sudo -i or sudo su -)
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58[00:21:58] <whislock> sudo su is su-perfluous.
59[00:22:20] <humpled> i seem to have been using sudo -i for years,
60[00:22:29] <whislock> ^
61[00:22:35] <LtL> and redundant
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63[00:23:53] <whislock> nixonix: And the only reason sudo blah worked for him is because sudo at least makes sure the right environment variables are present.
64[00:24:12] <humpled> so he could have run the root commands as root by using the full path
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66[00:25:06] <gry> mutante: not homework, i'm actually trying to identify technology that helps market free software better
67[00:25:37] <gry> mutante: i asked gnome and kde about their key principles of marketing, looking for more targets
68[00:25:43] <mutante> gry: maybe ask the FSF
69[00:26:13] <whislock> mutante: Sure, if he wants examples of what not to do.
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71[00:26:15] <mutante> they are all about promoting free software and maintain a catalog
72[00:26:28] <gry> mutante: i think it's fsf's weak point, they did not do a lot about marketing in the last 10 years
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74[00:26:35] <gry> mutante: that's why i'm trying to address it
75[00:26:36] <whislock> Also: Stallman.
76[00:26:44] <gry> mutante: but thank you, i'll ask around at fsf as well
77[00:27:11] <gry> mutante: i think directory.fsf.org is example of broken navigation and poor feature exposure. better than nothing, but far from visually appealing
78[00:27:36] <mutante> maybe Windows becomes a Linux distro and Microsoft has marketing expertise and wants to become FOSS
79[00:27:46] <mutante> i mean.. it's going that direction kind of
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81[00:28:48] <rawtaz> off topic but still; does anyone know a good logging appliance/distribution, like rspamd is made t obe an out of the box spam prevention "appliance", im looking for something that's made for logging. to receive syslog stuff and present it nicely and searchably
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83[00:29:44] <mutante> gry: Wordpress, Drupal, RedHat (replaced-url
84[00:32:12] <gry> thank you
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121[01:03:29] <whislock> å1
122[01:03:35] <whislock> Okay, that was odd.
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145[01:42:59] <brutser> got a question, if i install debian and create a user, but then execute a shell and chroot into target system, the home folder and several user settings are not completed/created yet.. 1. at what time is this 100% completed during the install, first reboot after finish the installation? 2. if i would execute a shell and create a user manually
146[01:43:00] <brutser> there, would it be different?
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156[01:52:33] <babaganoosh> hi all
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176[02:09:00] <babaganoosh> hi all
177[02:09:49] <annadane> babaganoosh, if you have a question just ask
178[02:09:50] <swift110> hey babaganoosh
179[02:10:45] <babaganoosh> thank you
180[02:12:41] <gry> hi babaganoosh :-)
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182[02:16:30] <babaganoosh> my issue is not critical, but i was curious - has anyone booted the debian installation dvd iso into a live environment?
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187[02:16:58] <gry> it provides live dvds which are also installers, if that's what you mean?
188[02:17:02] <somiaj> babaganoosh: the debian installer doesn't contain a full live enviorment, it is very minimial
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191[02:17:21] <somiaj> babaganoosh: if you want a live enviorment, you should grab a debian-live dvd (not an offical debian installer dvd)
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194[02:20:22] <babaganoosh> all right - i am sure the live dvd iso is the standard method for trying a live instance of debian - but i thought i had recently managed to boot the installer dvd into a live instance - it was bugging me that i could not recall how i did it
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198[02:21:48] <somiaj> the offical installer can provide you a rescue/minimial system to work with, but it is just a shell, and many common utilities are missing
199[02:22:45] <somiaj> the installer also has a rescue mode, which will use the installer's kernel/initrd, but then mount your actual system as /, so you can boot into your system from the installer.
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201[02:23:03] <somiaj> maybe you mistook that as a live instance
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207[02:24:29] <babaganoosh> thanks - as i said, it was hardly essential....it was just driving me crazy that i could not remember how it came about....ultimately i performed an installation using an established method
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238[02:44:27] <brutser> got a question, if i install debian and create a user, but then execute a shell and chroot into target system, the home folder and several user settings are not completed/created yet.. 1. at what time is this 100% completed during the install, first reboot after finish the installation? 2. if i would execute a shell and create a user manually
239[02:44:28] <brutser> there, would it be different?
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250[02:58:09] <somiaj> brutser: depends on what in the $HOME you are talking about. The installer and a default user has a very minimial $HOME.
251[02:58:24] <somiaj> brutser: I'm not quite sure when /etc/skeleton gets created so it can be coppied to new users $HOME
252[02:58:40] <somiaj> often times it is the app itself that adds stuff to home the first time it is run.
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287[03:19:13] <swift110> cool babaganoosh
288[03:19:45] <eblip> right my vim is finally fully set up on debian
289[03:19:53] <eblip> took me hours and hours of messing about
290[03:20:04] <eblip> next time will take about 5 minutes
291[03:20:19] <babaganoosh> hmmm?
292[03:21:03] <swift110> oh cool eblip
293[03:21:09] <swift110> what are you up to babaganoosh
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299[03:23:35] <znull> hi, can anyone tell me which is the default runlevel for servers? 3 or 5?
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303[03:24:21] <babaganoosh> not much.....i was on here after obsessing over what i had forgotten from yesterday
304[03:24:32] <dvs> znull, in debian, run levels 2 to 5 are the same by default.
305[03:24:37] <swift110> oh i see
306[03:24:52] <znull> dvs, and 3 for what is used?
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308[03:25:34] <dvs> znull, it's not started by default.
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316[03:27:01] <znull> dvs, its like rescue mode ?
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322[03:27:24] <dvs> znull, it is like normal bootup.
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346[03:28:45] <babaganoosh> anyhoo....my debian installation went according to the instructions
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358[03:29:55] <swift110> good babaganoosh
359[03:29:57] <swift110> its not hard
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411[03:32:46] <babaganoosh> well, it was hard for me since i wanted to do it my way and i am stubborn
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426[03:34:59] <warsoul> hi
427[03:35:13] <warsoul> i just wrote a debian installer on a usb
428[03:35:21] <warsoul> but is not booting the installer
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433[03:38:40] <warsoul> please any helper?
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442[03:49:38] <babaganoosh> i would like to help but i am a beginner
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448[03:53:13] <ov3rmind> hey guys i am currently trying to make a perfect security on my personal laboratory for teach open source and studdy
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458[04:01:36] <gry> hi ov3rmind
459[04:01:43] <gry> what do you have in the lab?
460[04:02:12] <ov3rmind> for my personal studdy and teach
461[04:02:26] <ov3rmind> i am a teacher since my 14 years old
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463[04:02:58] <babaganoosh> that sounds familiar
464[04:03:13] <babaganoosh> the room and the user name
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468[04:05:02] <ov3rmind> i already made two projects on related to alphabetization with raspberrypi with raspbian and other to comercial purpose
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471[04:06:00] <ov3rmind> but at the moment i am alone with some ideas but i already code the projects i have two softwares to distribute on community if any interest
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473[04:07:43] <ov3rmind> currently i am studding tamil endian language
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496[04:20:20] <annadane> anyone know when firefox 60 esr becomes eol and/or firefox esr 68 makes its way to stable?
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509[04:26:11] <warsoul> hi
510[04:26:19] <warsoul> im trying to install debian on my new pc
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512[04:26:24] <warsoul> installer is not booting
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519[04:28:39] <brutser> when i install debian i create a user "john", during install i execute a shell and i want to add the user to a few groups, but the user is not fully created yet it seems at this point
520[04:28:55] <brutser> what is the right way to do this?
521[04:29:42] <babaganoosh> i would help, but i am a beginner
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523[04:29:54] <brutser> babaganoosh: np!
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526[04:31:08] <brutser> basically i do expert install, leave root password empty (so root login will not be enabled because of this), then i create new user "john" and set a password, then i execute a shell < from here i would like to add "john" to some groups, but as i said, "john" account is not yet created ( i guess it's only set to create )
527[04:31:37] <brutser> i prefer not to create an additional user or something like that, i just want my single john user and add that to a few groups
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531[04:34:35] <warsoul> installer is not booting
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534[04:36:04] <awal1> guys, Opera or chrome? I'm not looking for a vs b "war"; i just really want to have a serious opinion about which of those non-free browser works better on debian
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536[04:36:38] <awal1> I want one of them because Netflix doesn't work with free ff/Chromium
537[04:36:54] <awal1> you know, drm stuff...
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544[04:46:41] <voices> hi, how can i check for backported patches?
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546[04:49:30] <voices> i.e., check for their presence on a system; if they're available, and if they've been applied/installed, etc.
547[04:50:42] <awal1> voices, for me your question is confusing. you mean check updates for pkgs in backports repository or check for updates for stable or what?
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549[04:53:40] <voices> awal1: i just want to check if a few things have been patched on an old system that's still running squeeze from like 5 years ago
550[04:54:24] <karlpinc> voices: If it's been done via the debian repos, apt keeps logs.
551[04:54:34] <awal1> oh, squeeze is no longer maintained, even the lts one
552[04:54:47] <karlpinc> voices: There's also debsums, to find monkeypatches.
553[04:54:52] <awal1> dpkg: squeeze-lts
554[04:54:53] <dpkg> Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" ended on 2016-02-29 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
555[04:55:30] <karlpinc> voices: As far as random stuff being installed, well, that's more complicated. You could ask for a list of all files installed by apt and compare with all files on the system.
556[04:55:31] <awal1> voice, apart ^ , i have no clue about lts stuff
557[04:55:45] <awal1> ^i mean dpkg info
558[04:56:24] <awal1> voices, you system is entirely Squeeze?
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573[05:09:57] <warsoul> guys
574[05:10:00] <warsoul> need help ASAP
575[05:10:08] <warsoul> installer is not booting
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584[05:19:28] <warsoul> i wrote a netinstall iso image
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586[05:19:33] <warsoul> that can be the issue?
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596[05:22:51] <tomreyn> warsoul: "not booting" based on what, any error messages, output?
597[05:23:09] <tomreyn> netinstall iso is meant to be bootable, so that alone can't be why.
598[05:23:20] <tomreyn> what hardware also?
599[05:23:35] <warsoul> a brand new pc
600[05:23:42] <warsoul> there is no errors at all
601[05:24:10] <tomreyn> at which point does it stop behaving as you'd expect?
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603[05:24:50] <tomreyn> "a brand new pc" provider 0.0001 bits of information, can you say a model number?
604[05:24:57] <tomreyn> *provideS
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611[05:29:00] <tomreyn> oh, crossposting to ##linux, i see
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649[06:06:30] <voices> awal1: i don't know how to answer that. i guess that's kinda what i want to know.
650[06:06:33] <voices> it's not my system. my infosec professor gave me this old VM of his to tinker with and i wanted to account for some unexpected behaviour. it's just a curiosity anyhow, it's been retired for years already by now..
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653[06:08:57] <brutser> when i install debian i create a user "john", during install i execute a shell and i want to add the user to a few groups, but the user is not fully created yet it seems at this point
654[06:09:03] <brutser> what is the right way to do this?
655[06:09:12] <brutser> i prefer not to create an additional user or something like that, i just want my single john user and add that to a few groups
656[06:09:16] <awal1> warsoul, how (which software you used) and where (windows$ or gnu/linux) you burned the iso image?
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658[06:09:49] <awal1> voices, you can paste your sources.list and that will help
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663[06:12:54] <voices> awal1: oh, sorry. i meant to past this earlier
664[06:13:11] <voices> $ printf '%s %s
665[06:13:12] <voices> ' "$(lsb_release -ds)" "$(uname -rv)"
666[06:13:31] <voices>
667[06:13:40] <voices> $ printf '%s %s\n' "$(lsb_release -ds)" "$(uname -rv)"
668[06:13:44] <voices> Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 (squeeze) 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 09:49:36 UTC 2012
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670[06:15:13] <awal1> well, that is the release (debian version you have), not the sources.list file
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672[06:15:41] <awal1> for the release "lsb_release -a " is enough as ommand
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674[06:16:19] <brutser> the problem that i have is that the user does not yet exit, the debian installer is "in process of creating it"
675[06:16:32] <brutser> so when i execute a shell from the installer, "john" is not yet a user
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677[06:17:14] <brutser> so if i do "adduser john mygroup", it will reply "adduser: The user `john` does not exist."
678[06:17:45] <brutser> i guess i will have to settle for not having the installer create the user, but i do that from the shell myself
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695[06:31:42] <warsoul> iwlwifi 0000:00:14.3: BIOS contains WGDS but no WRDS
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697[06:31:47] <warsoul> fresh install
698[06:31:49] <warsoul> after boot
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701[06:32:29] <voices> awal1: yeah, i didn't have it on hand. i had to get it
702[06:32:34] <voices> $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
703[06:32:34] <voices> # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.5 _Squeeze_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20120512-20:43]/ squeeze main
704[06:32:37] <voices> deb replaced-url
705[06:32:40] <voices> deb-src replaced-url
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710[06:33:25] <voices> sorry, didn't think four lines would trigger it
711[06:33:42] <mishehu> so we tried to set up a local repo with reprepro, and with it we're trying to pull in a few other remote repos into it (i.e. percona's apt repo). when I try to do `reprepro update buster`, it spits this out in error: Could not find 'main/debian-installer/binary-amd64/Packages' within './lists/LABELname_buster_InRelease' (where label is the name of the label from conf/distributions) . Can anybody
712[06:33:48] <mishehu> point me in the right direction as to what got borked up?
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714[06:36:58] <voices> awal1: i didn't get your next comment.
715[06:38:08] <voices> but yeah it doesn't look very standard
716[06:38:24] <voices> no backports repo though
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718[06:40:13] <awal1> voices, what backports means for you?
719[06:40:31] <warsoul> how to open a terminal?
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721[06:41:45] <warsoul> CTRL + c is not working
722[06:43:59] <awal1> voicesand warsoul: are you just spamming/trolling or you are reslly newbies to gnu/linux? If newbies, please, first read replaced-url
723[06:44:09] <awal1> chose your architecture ^
724[06:44:23] <awal1> voices and warsoul ^
725[06:44:48] <awal1> replaced-url
726[06:45:50] <warsoul> awal1 this is my second install
727[06:45:52] <awal1> dpkg: handbook
728[06:45:52] <dpkg> The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at replaced-url
729[06:46:04] <warsoul> but im having problem after the fresh install to my new pc
730[06:46:06] <awal1> and read ^
731[06:46:09] <warsoul> did a net install
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733[06:46:21] <warsoul> and after booting to gnu/linux
734[06:46:25] <warsoul> im having this error
735[06:46:30] <warsoul> iwlwifi 0000:00:14.3: BIOS contains WGDS but no WRDS
736[06:46:40] <awal1> everything is in the handbook and the guide
737[06:46:43] <warsoul> but wifi worked fine during installation
738[06:46:53] <tomreyn> warsoul: please choose whether you'll get support here on in ##linux, don't keep posting your questions to both channels at the same time.
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741[06:49:04] <ayew> warsoul: you can open a tty with ctrl+alt+f1
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743[06:50:17] <voices> awal1: like, when a new patch is applied to an old software (i.e. the version is no longer officially supported or maintained, but rather than upgrading to a more recent kernel or whatever, security flaws are just patched manually), right?
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747[06:52:00] <warsoul> ayew, yes
748[06:52:37] <warsoul> should i do an update?
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750[06:53:15] <awal1> voices, backports are the following:
751[06:53:22] <awal1> dpkg: backports
752[06:53:22] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
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754[06:53:38] <awal1> now, i toldyou squeeze is dead
755[06:53:45] <awal1> dpkg: squeeze
756[06:53:46] <dpkg> Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" was released on 2011-02-06: replaced-url
757[06:54:01] <awal1> about debian lts:
758[06:54:03] <voices> i told you that
759[06:54:06] <awal1> dpkg: lts
760[06:54:06] <dpkg> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <jessie-lts> and see replaced-url
761[06:54:20] <awal1> now I'm off. sorry, dinner time here
762[06:54:30] <voices> you asked for my sources.list, so i gave it to you
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764[06:56:03] <awal1> i don't know who is aarnet.edu.au , but according to that you have squeeze repo only
765[06:56:25] <awal1> not all the debian original ones
766[06:56:30] <awal1> anyway, see ya
767[06:57:41] <voices> it's just an australian mirror
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773[07:02:25] <voices> karlpinc: ah, i found a bunch of logs for apt, aptitude, dpkg, alternatives, etc. thanks for the tip
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777[07:09:00] <warsoul> ayew, are you still here?
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813[07:37:09] <zerocool> howdy yall, im trying to make a persistant live image, on usb using mkusb, i have it booting into the live session but nothing is "persistant"
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820[07:39:10] <zerocool> anyone familiar with making persistent live images?
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829[07:43:03] <diogenes_> zerocool, you mean persisten usb sticks?
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831[07:44:19] <zerocool> diogenes_: yes
832[07:44:23] <zerocool> sticks
833[07:45:16] <diogenes_> ok in a moment i'll pastebin the procedure
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836[07:51:29] <diogenes_> zerocool, replaced-url
837[07:52:55] <diogenes_> it might be slow loading and less responssive since it will be using usb stick to read write.
838[07:54:20] <diogenes_> also change /dev/sdc acordingly to your usb stick.
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842[07:59:18] <zerocool> oh no, i deleted my windows
843[07:59:28] <zerocool> :P
844[07:59:40] <zerocool> thanks diogenes_ im giving it a go now
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849[08:02:47] <zerocool> im at the coffee step, can i sub with decalf tea?
850[08:02:55] <zerocool> its pretty late here
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863[08:15:29] <warsoul> replaced-url
864[08:15:36] <warsoul> is this source list ok>?
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873[08:19:37] <ayew> link broken
874[08:19:50] <ayew> eh, i can read enough of it probably
875[08:20:54] <annadane> !buster sources.list
876[08:20:54] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
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878[08:24:00] * annadane wonders who intentionally disables buster-updates
879[08:24:22] <warsoul> sorry is this one
880[08:24:29] <warsoul> replaced-url
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883[08:26:20] <annadane> warsoul, that's fine
884[08:26:30] <warsoul> is a good sources list?
885[08:26:34] <annadane> mhm
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887[08:27:07] <annadane> just a really trivial detail, note you don't really need to put contrib non-free for deb-src, deb-src is only useful if you apt source <package>
888[08:27:14] <annadane> and deb-src is totally optional
889[08:27:20] <annadane> but yeah, it's a fine sources.list
890[08:27:46] <warsoul> ok
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898[08:40:36] <nurupo> reading apt-get's man page, there seems to be no option to install a daemon without enabling and starting it
899[08:42:07] <nurupo> e.g. it would be neat to be able to do `apt-get install postfix --no-enable-daemon`, so that you could edit its config file before you enable&start it
900[08:42:21] <annadane> yeah it's been discussed before
901[08:42:32] <annadane> don't know if they ended up putting anything like that in
902[08:42:36] <nurupo> kind of surprised there is no option for that
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904[08:43:37] <annadane> there should be a happy medium between 'use the BSD's to manually edit services' and using linux because of more familiarity/easier to deploy etc
905[08:43:54] <ratrace> nurupo: you can create the config file before you install it
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907[08:44:40] <nodejsfan> hello
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909[08:44:49] <nodejsfan> npm install is-odd
910[08:45:18] <nurupo> there is this policy file thing replaced-url
911[08:45:18] <nurupo> but it's not what i want. it still enables the daemon, just doesn't start it. so if you reboot the daemon would start. it also affects all package installs, not just a particular one, so you have to remember to remove the policy file. and prevents automatic package updates from restarting daemons, which is a security issue.
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914[08:46:09] <nurupo> so that's not really a solution, manually stopping, and maybe disabling too, is a lot easier and can blow up in less ways
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916[08:46:59] <ratrace> nurupo: you have a bit of an xy problem there. if "I want to configure this before it starts" is the only problem there, then that's solvable.
917[08:48:16] <ratrace> btw, services won't restart when a lib is updated, so don't rely on that logic.
918[08:48:24] <nurupo> right, it's "I want to configure this before it starts" kind of issue with "but i want to configure it not right after the install but when it's convenient for me, maybe even in a few days, after the server reboots a few times"
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920[08:48:53] <nurupo> thus the --no-enable-daemon option
921[08:49:33] <ratrace> nurupo: the logic there is why install it then, untill you actually want to use it? mind you, I dislike this stupid policy myself too, but it's not the end of the world, you still DO have control and ability to configure it before its first start.
922[08:49:54] <annadane> how, specifically?
923[08:50:14] <ratrace> create the config yourself before you install it?
924[08:51:09] <ratrace> I mean, if you have some critical productoin there whre you must really be careful about that for some reason, you can do just that. otherwise services come with sane and secure defaults and it's also not a big deal if they start and you immediately stop them, if you wan to deal with configuration later.
925[08:51:13] <nurupo> you generally use the defaut config as a base for your own one, and you won't have the default config until you install the package...
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927[08:51:51] <nurupo> right, it's not a big deal
928[08:52:16] <nurupo> but having a --no-enable-daemon option would still be nice so that you don't have to stop the started service
929[08:52:21] <ratrace> nurupo: and like I said if that's some critical production where *must* not allow it to start before it's configured, you ordinarily use staging and test environments where you install, configure, test the configuration, retest, automate with ansible or whatever, an only then put in production.
930[08:52:36] <ratrace> so... it's annoying, yes, but it's not like the dingo ate your baby :)
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932[08:53:23] <annadane> systemctl mask baby.unit
933[08:53:43] <ratrace> nurupo: I also think someone once mentioned you can pre-block the service from starting by creating a symlink to devnull under /etc/systemd/system for the service unit
934[08:54:00] <nurupo> ratrace: it's not about "critical production where *must* not allow it to start before it's configured", it's about the behavior of services auto-starting being annoying sometimes
935[08:54:02] <ratrace> annadane: is that it? you put that mask even if it doesn't yet exist?
936[08:54:23] <annadane> or stay away from australia
937[08:54:46] <nurupo> it's fine for ntpd and other zero-config daemons, but for things like nginx and postfix i have to stop them after installing in order to configure thm properly
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939[08:54:52] <ratrace> oh look:
940[08:54:54] <ratrace> Unit baby.unit.service does not exist, proceeding anyway.
941[08:54:55] <ratrace> Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/baby.unit.service → /dev/null.
942[08:55:11] <annadane> ratrace ate my baby.
943[08:55:16] <ratrace> so yeah, it seems it does work :) mask it up front before installation. surely you can guess the service name or look into pkg contents
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945[08:55:30] <nurupo> why are you so against having a --no-enable-daemon option?
946[08:55:53] <annadane> well but how do you mask it before install? what's the specific apt or dpkg operation to do that?
947[08:56:00] <ratrace> I am not. Like I said, it's very annoying. But the devs said no and I don't want to waste my time lobbying or trying to submit patches when I can easily work around it.
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951[08:56:35] <ratrace> annadane: you can. try it. systemd says: "Unit baby.unit.service does not exist, proceeding anyway."
952[08:56:43] <ratrace> my above post was copypasta from TIAS :)
953[08:56:56] <annadane> no, but like, do you download the source, edit a line in a config, and then dpkg -i it?
954[08:57:04] <annadane> how do you configure something *before* install
955[08:57:39] <ratrace> annadane: you CAN mask a service unit even if it doesn't yet exist on the filesystem
956[08:57:49] <annadane> okay
957[08:57:55] <ratrace> Just try it: "systemctl mask baby-unit.service"
958[08:58:07] <ratrace> then remove the symlink it creates
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961[08:59:24] <annadane> i guess you find which services will be enabled by looking in the postinst script
962[09:00:48] <ratrace> or you simply know unless that's the first time ever you use that software :)
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964[09:01:36] <ratrace> btw, just tried and indeed it works. dpkg complains: "Failed to preset unit: Unit file /etc/systemd/system/dovecot.service is masked" but finishes installation just fine. dovecot did not start.
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967[09:02:37] <Strum> i'm having a mutliple monitor setup issue
968[09:02:58] <Strum> i logged out and when i log back in only one screen worked
969[09:03:34] <Strum> so i reboot now i have both displaps detected but can't hove the screen around in the display configuarion app
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971[09:04:04] <Strum> nothing happens when i cloick and drag
972[09:04:07] <Strum> click
973[09:04:19] <Strum> is there a way to set it manually?
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987[09:10:15] <jelly> nurupo: it's not that much of an issue when it can be avoided simply by not installing things until you're actually going to configure and use them
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995[09:20:02] <mishehu> We set up a local repo with reprepro. And we're trying to pull in from a couple of remote repos into our local repo, but every time I do `reprepro update buster`, it complains that it can't find main/debian-installer/binary-amd64/Packages, which I presume would be in the remote repo's dists/buster dir, but those remote repos do not have dists/buster/main/debian-installer at all. How can I work around
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997[09:20:08] <mishehu> this?
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1009[09:23:00] <jelly> mishehu: pick a better mirror?
1010[09:23:06] <jelly> mine has replaced-url
1011[09:24:21] <jelly> if unsure, try the CDN one replaced-url
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1013[09:27:36] <mishehu> jelly: this isn't a matter of "find a better mirror". there is no other mirror of this that would contain that. it's not an official debian mirror, it's a repo of packages for a software project that we want to load onto our debian servers.
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1016[09:29:06] <mishehu> in other words, it's a 3rd party repo. and I noticed that at least two of those don't have that path - the other one is percona, which is also a 3rd party.
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1019[09:32:26] <mishehu> of the 3 3rd party repos we want to pull from, only sury.org has dists/buster/main/debian-installer existing.
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1021[09:33:08] <mishehu> (I'm using "pull" in the sense of git, not in the sense of reprepro though.)
1022[09:33:32] <mishehu> as we're not trying to mix distros or such.
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1048[10:02:45] <apurv> is it impossible to select files in Nautilus by pressing "Ctrl" key and mouse click, or do a drag and drop between multiple Nautilus instances? Or can it be because of Wayland?
1049[10:04:18] <apurv> I'm on Sid
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1052[10:06:54] <sk_tandt> Greetings! I'd like to ask you a question: I've set up a debian repository with reprepro, made a very simple signed package and submitted a public key to keys.gnupg.net and keys.openpgp.org (09C2452C3E419587)
1053[10:07:17] <sk_tandt> However, when I do apt update I get "GPG error: replaced-url
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1055[10:07:42] <free_speech> I am on Devuan, just installed Nautilus to try it, and Ctrl works without any problems.
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1057[10:07:48] <sk_tandt> I did apt-key adv --recv 09C2452C3E419587 and it did import the key, and apt-key list lists it successfully
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1060[10:08:05] <sk_tandt> WTF is going on?
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1062[10:08:22] <jmd> Does anyone know how I can change the default greeter background image?
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1065[10:10:57] <free_speech> which greeter do you have? lightdm-gtk-greeter?
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1067[10:12:10] <jmd> free_speech: yes
1068[10:12:10] <free_speech> if so, lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings might be the package you're looking for
1069[10:12:48] <jmd> Ahh settings
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1071[10:13:11] <sk_tandt> Even tried apt-key adv --fetch-keys replaced-url
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1074[10:16:19] <sk_tandt> Well bite me: reboot and it worked
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1080[10:17:40] <jmd> ok. I think i have found it. /usr/share/images/desktop-base/login-background.svg
1081[10:17:56] <jmd> (independent of display manager I think)
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1123[10:51:57] <Mo7Qt0> !ipv6
1124[10:51:57] <dpkg> Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support was a release goal for Squeeze. replaced-url
1125[10:52:33] <emf1223> im not sure exactly what happened, but i installed the non-free module for my nic and it took away my privileges to ping...
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1127[10:52:57] <emf1223> i guess i should say that im speculating thats what caused it
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1130[10:54:30] <emf1223> i can still ping as sudo, but i get ping: socket: Operation not permitted under my user account
1131[10:55:27] <emf1223> ive read some things online about it, but im trying to figure out what the recommended solution is
1132[10:55:36] <jim> emf1223, to ping what though?
1133[10:55:41] <emf1223> anything
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1135[10:55:52] <emf1223> specifically i tried 8.8.8.8
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1137[10:55:58] <emf1223> and localhost
1138[10:56:04] <emf1223> and my router
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1140[10:56:13] <jim> and what result did you get each time?
1141[10:56:27] <emf1223> all the same, ping: socket: Operation not permitted
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1143[10:56:45] <emf1223> restarted networking and then rebooted
1144[10:56:49] <emf1223> didnt change anything
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1146[10:57:20] <jim> hmm, that seems unusual... ask you this:
1147[10:57:30] <jim> can you ping anything as root?
1148[10:57:33] <emf1223> yes
1149[10:57:36] <emf1223> works fine
1150[10:57:44] <jim> so it's dependent on the user
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1152[10:57:58] <emf1223> right, i think its some kinda permissions thing
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1154[10:58:25] <emf1223> i was looking at this: replaced-url
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1156[10:58:48] <jim> man, I wish I knew enough to reason through that; I never had to solve that problem
1157[10:58:59] <jim> ask you this: is it wired or wireless?
1158[10:59:04] <emf1223> wired
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1160[10:59:22] <emf1223> ive had this issue with new installs before, and i just left it...
1161[10:59:44] <emf1223> but this one is weird bc yesterday it was working fine
1162[10:59:54] <jim> ok... how is the nic connected to the computer?
1163[11:00:10] <emf1223> onboard
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1165[11:00:41] <jim> oh ok, so maybe it's pci? try this: lspci -nn | grep -i net | wc -l
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1168[11:01:01] <jim> (meaning how many lines does the grep return)
1169[11:01:03] <emf1223> 1
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1171[11:01:10] <emf1223> was the only output
1172[11:01:34] <jim> ok, so take the | wc -l off, and show the result
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1175[11:01:45] <emf1223> 04:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev 06)
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1178[11:03:34] <jim> ok, judd says there's a driver called r8169 that should support that card
1179[11:03:51] <emf1223> yeah im showing that as whats installed...
1180[11:03:51] <jim> is that the driver you're already using?
1181[11:03:54] <emf1223> yeah
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1184[11:04:59] <jim> ok, so lsmod | grep r8169 | nc termbin.com # this should return the url of the pastebinned grep listing
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1188[11:06:53] <jim> oops, forgot the port :) here's the command again, with that correction: lsmod | grep r8169 | nc termbin.com 9999
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1190[11:06:57] <B|ack0p> hi. while fresh installing debian i installed all the desktops selected. is there an easy way to uninstall them or is it better to fresh install again?
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1192[11:07:14] <B|ack0p> i selected all the desktops in the list on debian installation
1193[11:07:32] <jim> name one you want to get rid of
1194[11:07:59] <B|ack0p> mate-cinnamon-kde-xfce
1195[11:08:02] <B|ack0p> all of them
1196[11:08:13] <emf1223> jim: replaced-url
1197[11:08:15] <jim> ok
1198[11:08:23] <jim> one sec
1199[11:08:26] <emf1223> yep
1200[11:09:02] <jim> ok, yeah, that module appears to be the one with the driver you're using
1201[11:09:03] <B|ack0p> i dont know why it feels slow even on gnome classic
1202[11:09:15] <B|ack0p> i wonder if all those installed things making it slow
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1204[11:09:50] <jim> B|ack0p, let's see if you're swapping: free | nc termbin.com 9999
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1207[11:10:41] <B|ack0p> jim, replaced-url
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1210[11:11:12] <tomreyn> emf1223: you need these packages for your respective debian release (select codename top right): replaced-url
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1213[11:12:13] <jim> tomreyn, is that for building the module?
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1217[11:13:02] <jim> B|ack0p, nope, you're not swappint
1218[11:13:04] <tomreyn> emf1223: actually, you probably don't need / want r8168-dkms (purge it) on current debian releases, since there is a better driver in the kernel
1219[11:13:11] <jim> so that's not it
1220[11:13:32] <tomreyn> jim: r8168-dkms would be for building the non-free kernel module, yes
1221[11:13:42] <jim> oh ok
1222[11:13:44] <emf1223> ok
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1224[11:14:27] <tomreyn> but you may still want the firmware.
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1226[11:15:00] <jim> I notice the number is different, r8168 instead if r8169... is the 8168 one the nonfree one
1227[11:15:02] <jim> ?
1228[11:16:13] <tomreyn> yes
1229[11:16:54] <tomreyn> see the r8168-dkms package description for details
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1231[11:17:07] <emf1223> alright so i already had firmware-realtek installed, but i guess i missed r8168-dkms
1232[11:17:14] <B|ack0p> jim, what?
1233[11:17:20] <B|ack0p> tomreyn, hi
1234[11:17:52] <tomreyn> emf1223: which debian version are you running? i assume you don't actually want r8168-dkms given a recent enough kernel version
1235[11:18:02] <tomreyn> hi B|ack0p
1236[11:18:03] <emf1223> buster
1237[11:18:17] <B|ack0p> jim, while installing debian i made it choose to partition my harddisk and use entire disk
1238[11:18:34] <B|ack0p> i chose option for newbies
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1240[11:18:42] <B|ack0p> so debian decided what to do with my disk
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1245[11:20:12] <jim> B|ack0p, ok... I'm saying, you're not swapping at all... meaning you have enough ram for doing what it's doing at the moment... when it runs out, it goes to swap, which is a disk partition that pretends to be ram (so when it does that, it gets really slow)
1246[11:20:18] <B|ack0p> so not swapping causing system slow down?
1247[11:20:32] <emf1223> appreciate the help guys
1248[11:20:43] <emf1223> later on
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1250[11:20:55] <tomreyn> emf1223: hmm so if the driver works in general and icmp packets can be sent in genera then i would not replace it.
1251[11:21:23] <jim> tomreyn, yeah, he could ping as root
1252[11:21:29] <B|ack0p> jim, i see so what could be problem about slow down?
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1254[11:22:02] <jim> B|ack0p, I don't really know right now... do you have a lot running?
1255[11:22:13] <B|ack0p> not really
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1258[11:22:22] <B|ack0p> usual browsing and terminal/irssi
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1260[11:24:01] <jim> B|ack0p, how much ram do you have?
1261[11:24:08] <B|ack0p> 8gb - ddr2
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1263[11:24:22] <jim> ok, that should be enough
1264[11:24:26] <B|ack0p> before it was 4gb and i had system freeze many times
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1266[11:24:41] <B|ack0p> i removed 2 sticks of 2gb rams and replaced 2x4gb
1267[11:24:53] <B|ack0p> that is another problem - system freezes !
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1269[11:25:02] <jim> freeze? and replacing the ram eliminated the freezes?
1270[11:25:13] <B|ack0p> but since i upgraded to 2x4gb yesterday i didnt have any freeze yet
1271[11:25:47] <B|ack0p> jim, yes but before upgrading rams i did memtest so 2x2gb sticks passed the test
1272[11:25:57] <B|ack0p> they were not bad rams
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1274[11:26:23] <jim> do you have any more ram slots?
1275[11:26:26] <B|ack0p> maybe as you said 4gb ram was not enough so swapping might cause it struggle and cause the freeze maybe
1276[11:26:34] <B|ack0p> jim, i have only 2 ram slots
1277[11:26:43] <jim> ok
1278[11:26:50] <jim> what cpu?
1279[11:26:53] <B|ack0p> old
1280[11:27:04] <B|ack0p> c2d L7500 1.6ghz
1281[11:27:42] <jim> hmm. never heard of that one, what's its bit width/
1282[11:27:44] <jim> ?
1283[11:27:52] <B|ack0p> it is Thinkpad x61s
1284[11:28:06] <B|ack0p> first gen core2 duo cpu - merom family
1285[11:28:06] <jim> oh so it's a laptop
1286[11:28:09] <B|ack0p> yes
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1288[11:28:19] <B|ack0p> normally it is T series of Core2duo
1289[11:28:36] <B|ack0p> L series made for low voltage for less power long battery
1290[11:28:40] <emf1223> i just wanted to pop back in and let you guys know that i figured it out
1291[11:28:45] <emf1223> sudo setcap cap_net_raw=ep /bin/ping
1292[11:28:51] <emf1223> replaced-url
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1296[11:33:07] <jim> B|ack0p, unfortunately I can't tell what's slowing you down (it could be the cpu, but that's just a wild shot in the dark)
1297[11:33:12] <m0rd3cai> Hey guys, need some help. I need to set my login name without having to enter it at every login. I can't remember what file I need to make the change in. Im running xfce4 on lightdm
1298[11:33:55] <B|ack0p> jim, i understand it is old laptop but i expect light weight desktop runs faster
1299[11:34:05] <B|ack0p> i will try fresh install without other desktops installed
1300[11:34:24] <B|ack0p> i have 3 times installed almost everything :p
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1304[11:34:41] <B|ack0p> more than 3 terminal , 3 calculators ..etc :p
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1309[11:36:22] <jim> yeah I would expect that too
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1318[11:43:23] <mi11k1> hey, i need a hand here. I have a folder that contains subfolders that i need to turn into contacts somehow. Just at the top of my head i did "ls folder >> contacts.list", so now i have a file that has a list of all the contacts I need made. Ive been googling, but someone here will know.
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1322[11:44:50] <ratrace> mi11k1: what are "contacts"?
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1324[11:45:29] <jim> eyeball covers?
1325[11:45:31] <mi11k1> csv or whatever ppl in deviices get stored as
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1327[11:46:29] <ratrace> what?
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1340[11:48:54] <mi11k1> friggin machine keeps locking up
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1342[11:50:06] <jim> mi11k1, are you running debian at the moment?
1343[11:50:12] <mi11k1> of course
1344[11:50:29] <jim> ok, maybe we deal with the freeze issue first
1345[11:50:47] <mi11k1> i already tried yesterday, i giveup
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1347[11:51:04] <mi11k1> its bluetooth i think
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1350[11:51:30] <jim> the first thing, is usually, to rule out hardware, like cpu/ram/video
1351[11:52:01] <jim> and also usually, this can be done by running a ram checker for awhile
1352[11:52:02] <mi11k1> it was all good until i install Buster, I was using MX no problem
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1354[11:52:26] <mi11k1> the HD just starts going nuts, and i cant even change to another TTY
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1356[11:52:37] <jim> oh, so buster has been a problem with freezing where mx has not?
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1358[11:52:44] <mi11k1> i tried to watch iotop, but it happens when im not looking
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1360[11:53:10] <jim> could it be you're swapping...
1361[11:53:17] <mi11k1> ya, the only thing i did differently was setup lvm
1362[11:53:42] <jim> let's see, does "which nc" say something like /bin/nc?
1363[11:54:18] <mi11k1> lets find out
1364[11:54:20] <jim> lvm has been stable for years and years
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1366[11:54:38] <mi11k1> i know, i use lvm all the time, just not on this machine.
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1368[11:55:07] <jim> also how much ram do you have?
1369[11:55:20] <mi11k1> actually, /usr/bin/nc
1370[11:55:26] <mi11k1> 8 or 12
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1372[11:55:39] <jim> ok, good, that means nc is installed... so we can use it
1373[11:55:54] <mi11k1> netcat?
1374[11:56:12] <jim> try this: free | nc termbin.com 9999 # yes, netcat
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1376[11:56:42] <jim> that particular use of netcat is to pastebin the output of the free command
1377[11:56:56] <mi11k1> are you peeking?
1378[11:57:16] <jim> I can't see anything yet :)
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1380[11:57:19] <mi11k1> ya, i see that. cool little trick there
1381[11:57:36] <mi11k1> want me to flood it ?
1382[11:57:43] <jim> nono,
1383[11:57:54] <jim> just show the url it returned :)
1384[11:58:18] <mi11k1> replaced-url
1385[11:58:30] <mi11k1> sorry, i was wondering how you were going to get that
1386[11:58:32] <jim> that way you don't have to flood it :)
1387[11:58:49] <ratrace> it's a public paste service :)
1388[11:58:55] <jim> yeah, sorry, I didn't explain that part
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1390[11:59:07] <jim> but no worries...
1391[11:59:10] <mi11k1> i use pastebin all the time, i friggin tired
1392[11:59:34] <mi11k1> i need to figure out these contacts, but i appreciate the help
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1394[12:00:03] <jim> nope, you're nowhere near swapping
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1399[12:00:28] <mi11k1> i just rebooted, i havent even started anything
1400[12:00:35] <jim> ok
1401[12:00:47] <mi11k1> thats what i meant by flood
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1403[12:01:12] <mi11k1> its bluetooth. i know it
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1405[12:01:31] <jim> you're only using close to 2g, more than 5g free
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1408[12:01:56] <mi11k1> on mx ive found the daemon maxing out my cpu, but not bad enough where i couldnt kill it.
1409[12:02:09] <ratrace> did you check the journal for any hints for the lock ups?
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1411[12:02:18] <jim> do you use top?
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1414[12:02:53] <jim> ratrace, you mean journalctl?
1415[12:02:54] <mi11k1> yes, and iotop..im just really busy, and usually i can find my answer on google in 2 sec
1416[12:03:01] <mi11k1> htop
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1418[12:03:25] <ratrace> jim: journalctl is the command that manipulates the journal that I mentioned, yea
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1421[12:03:42] <jim> ratrace, oh ok
1422[12:04:08] <ratrace> it's very likely, especially if it's hardware causing it, that the journal will contain clues.
1423[12:04:16] <mi11k1> could be related to chrome
1424[12:04:18] <ratrace> mi11k1: does this lock up result with a automatic reboot?
1425[12:04:24] <jim> what command could he use to check for general clues?
1426[12:04:42] <mi11k1> thats what i was after yesterday, a hint.
1427[12:04:43] <ratrace> jim: I'd start with journalctl -p err -e
1428[12:05:10] <ratrace> if there are reboots, I'd look into the end of logging of the previous boot with journalctl -b -1 n
1429[12:05:13] <ratrace> -n
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1431[12:05:27] <mi11k1> i know what it is i think
1432[12:05:33] <mi11k1> iscsi
1433[12:05:35] <ratrace> if the journal is not persistend, I'd make it persistent then catch those entries upon next reboot.
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1435[12:05:57] <jim> you have a san or something like that?
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1438[12:06:31] <ratrace> mi11k1: you could guess or you could check the logs :) though if the problem is in the storage subsystem, maybe the log entries nevery made it to disk
1439[12:06:32] <mi11k1> kinda, i got a poweredge 620 and i just setup a storage for it
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1442[12:07:18] <mi11k1> ratrace, i did check the logs, but theres a lot of issues. i need firmware
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1444[12:07:52] <ratrace> mi11k1: yes but the most interesting issues are at the time of lock-up or reboot, +/- few seconds
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1446[12:08:20] <mi11k1> i hold the power button
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1448[12:08:44] <mi11k1> it just hangs bad. But, it doesnt get hot.
1449[12:08:46] <ratrace> mi11k1: then the log entries just prior to reboot would be most interesting
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1453[12:09:58] <mi11k1> im still kinda newish, I have a hard time figuring out logs. ive been trying to setuo a central log thing.
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1457[12:10:28] <mi11k1> over my head, i looked at ELK, its foreign, but looks cool.
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1459[12:10:54] <ratrace> central log thing for what? how many machines are you managing?
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1461[12:11:24] <mi11k1> I helped my buddy setup a ISP
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1463[12:11:43] <mi11k1> it was for that. I have a server at my house i mess with though
1464[12:11:54] <mi11k1> i use proxmox
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1468[12:13:38] <mi11k1> We have over 800 clients running on a Ubiquiti router, i think its wheezy, might be stretch now.
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1471[12:14:59] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey peeps whats the irc tool i can use to search for channels? im trying to find one on ZFS filesystem
1472[12:15:13] <mi11k1> i just setup zfs
1473[12:15:20] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
1474[12:15:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> 15633536354998247572 FAULTED 0 0 0 was /dev/sdd1
1475[12:15:37] <mi11k1> my clients has a "channel list"
1476[12:15:56] <mi11k1> so ist not sdd1 anymore
1477[12:16:01] <Eryn_1983_FL> i redid my OS and now i got a faulted drive, how can i identify which one it is ? its on the system but i dont know how to find it..
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1479[12:16:10] <Eryn_1983_FL> i got a /dev/sdd
1480[12:16:13] <mi11k1> is it BSD?
1481[12:16:16] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: /msg alist list
1482[12:16:16] <Eryn_1983_FL> linux
1483[12:16:19] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
1484[12:16:26] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: also .... #zfsonlinux
1485[12:16:27] <Eryn_1983_FL> thank rat
1486[12:16:54] <mi11k1> how many drives is in the vdev?
1487[12:17:06] <Eryn_1983_FL> a-g
1488[12:17:10] <Eryn_1983_FL> like 7
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1490[12:17:16] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: it sayis "was sdd1" right there on the box
1491[12:17:26] <mi11k1> zfs is pretty good at keepimng itself intact, just dont try to put a single drive as a cache
1492[12:17:31] <Eryn_1983_FL> yeah but i didnt put them back in order..
1493[12:17:54] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey let me get ya some details
1494[12:17:58] <mi11k1> it shouldnt matter i dont think
1495[12:18:09] <mi11k1> theres a tool that should import the pool
1496[12:18:13] <Eryn_1983_FL> right..
1497[12:18:26] <Eryn_1983_FL> i did the import i had to do the -f for force since it was a different system
1498[12:18:29] <ratrace> hold on. let's go step by step. start at the beginning. what happened.
1499[12:18:42] <Eryn_1983_FL> okok
1500[12:19:04] <Eryn_1983_FL> so i got a new ssd new case, so i swapped out everything from old case to now, put in new mobo,
1501[12:19:24] <Eryn_1983_FL> add my old hardware, hooked up the new ssd and the old pool hdds,
1502[12:19:46] <Eryn_1983_FL> then i booted up the system got it networked, and then did a zpool import pool -f
1503[12:19:55] <Eryn_1983_FL> which didnt give me any errors,
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1506[12:20:19] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
1507[12:20:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> some details
1508[12:20:46] <mi11k1> the DEGRADED is not cool
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1510[12:21:29] <mi11k1> thats a confusing setup man
1511[12:21:36] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: pastebin `zdb` please
1512[12:21:39] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
1513[12:22:10] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
1514[12:22:15] <Eryn_1983_FL> why is it confusing mi11k1 ?
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1516[12:22:25] <mi11k1> i tried to do it myself on a bare debian, i said screw it, nas4free it is
1517[12:22:39] <mi11k1> Cause i dont fully understand it
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1519[12:22:45] <Eryn_1983_FL> lol
1520[12:22:53] <mi11k1> storage is a bitch
1521[12:22:59] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: looks like the drive is completely missing
1522[12:23:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok..
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1524[12:23:41] <Eryn_1983_FL> il see if its in the living room...
1525[12:23:46] <mi11k1> check yer wires
1526[12:23:47] <Eryn_1983_FL> i thought i put them all in
1527[12:23:51] <Eryn_1983_FL> yeah that too
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1529[12:23:57] <mi11k1> haha
1530[12:24:00] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: try zpool status -L that should show identifiable /dev paths
1531[12:24:19] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
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1533[12:24:44] <Eryn_1983_FL> same thing as before
1534[12:24:46] <mi11k1> ohh , theres a sick program that i tried for zfs, it uses perl
1535[12:24:55] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: just number?
1536[12:24:58] <mi11k1> its a web frontend
1537[12:25:02] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
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1539[12:25:12] <Eryn_1983_FL> yeah
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1541[12:25:27] <ratrace> right right... I think that drive or partition is actually missing
1542[12:25:48] <Eryn_1983_FL> hmm
1543[12:25:51] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok let me check wires..
1544[12:26:01] <mi11k1> replaced-url
1545[12:26:01] <ratrace> you could ask in #zfsonlinux if they have any tips, but zpool would tell if it could ID the drive
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1550[12:27:44] <canine_afutee> bonjour
1551[12:27:48] <mi11k1> hi
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1553[12:29:02] <Haohmaru> je nicht parles epsaniol
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1555[12:29:14] <mi11k1> no
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1558[12:29:47] <Eryn_1983_FL> 7ok
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1563[12:33:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok now what i got to figure out is which disk is the one that broken cause it sees all the disk..
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1565[12:33:45] <mi11k1> sharpies man
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1567[12:34:44] <mi11k1> i used all my ssds and made a raid0
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1569[12:35:06] <mi11k1> just waiting for it to crumble
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1571[12:36:33] <misery> (are you that desperate for space, why not raid1?)
1572[12:36:52] <mi11k1> it was for fun
1573[12:36:58] <misery> fair enough
1574[12:37:53] <mi11k1> my buddy died, hes an older it guy. Ive just been getting stuff.
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1578[12:38:41] <misery> 'fun' is all i needed to hear, mate. i dont need the sob story :P
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1581[12:39:09] <mi11k1> not a sob story, i get to try evvery stupid thing ive ever imagined
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1583[12:39:20] <misery> brilliant!
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1585[12:40:04] <misery> have you tried cat /dev/zero > /dev/kmem or something yet?
1586[12:40:12] <misery> :)
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1588[12:40:40] <gry> is that real?
1589[12:40:44] <mi11k1> i will later
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1591[12:41:02] <gry> i think it writes zeros to /dev/kmem
1592[12:41:04] <gry> whatever that is
1593[12:41:10] <mi11k1> is that a perminant solution?
1594[12:41:31] <misery> it does.. and if permissions are allowed, it should do fun things to your system
1595[12:41:31] <gry> do you want to remove your kmem
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1597[12:41:44] <mi11k1> ill use an i7 than
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1601[12:41:57] <gry> do it only if kmem is not needed
1602[12:42:01] * misery never had a system 'just to fuck around with'
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1604[12:42:07] <gry> you may need it...
1605[12:42:31] <mi11k1> theres about 50-70 lenovo i5 and i7
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1607[12:44:13] <misery> are they t-series?
1608[12:44:31] <misery> (can i buy one?)
1609[12:44:36] <mi11k1> ill find a pic, theyre are mini systems, have the same power supply as the laptops
1610[12:44:48] <mi11k1> looks like a usb.
1611[12:44:57] <B|ack0p> how can i add "show desktop" icon on gnome classic bottom bar?
1612[12:45:06] <misery> eh, youre talking about components. dont waste our time
1613[12:45:26] <misery> i need a whole t-series ibm laptop
1614[12:45:45] <mi11k1> theres a few poweredges still
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1616[12:45:53] <B|ack0p> misery, which one T series?
1617[12:46:00] <mi11k1> anf fullsize towers, generic, i dont know what in them
1618[12:46:48] <misery> B|ack0p, before they ditched the serial port, preferably, anything up to T-60ish
1619[12:47:11] <B|ack0p> misery, i have T60 4:3 screen
1620[12:47:15] <B|ack0p> beautiful machine
1621[12:47:25] <misery> must have real gfx chip (not intel)
1622[12:47:27] <B|ack0p> currently i am using x61s small and cute machine
1623[12:47:37] <mi11k1> i did take the ibm type:2656
1624[12:47:39] <B|ack0p> misery, T60 has ATI mobility radeon x1300
1625[12:47:41] <B|ack0p> sucks
1626[12:47:53] <B|ack0p> type 2007-cto
1627[12:47:59] <misery> some of them do, and yeah its slow, but its what i need
1628[12:48:40] <mi11k1> celeron 900 , like new
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1630[12:49:17] <mq> i was looking in tracker.debian.org but i might have overseen something: is oolite still in debian repositories somewhere?
1631[12:49:18] <B|ack0p> i upgraded cpu to T7200 core2 duo for 64bit support but having issues on linux
1632[12:49:26] <B|ack0p> gpu is real problem
1633[12:49:29] <misery> (actually real gfx chips are fucking fast, if you put proprietry drivers in)
1634[12:49:33] <B|ack0p> ACPI and graphical issues
1635[12:49:51] <B|ack0p> misery, in that model ATI is problematic they say
1636[12:49:56] <mi11k1> gpu's are crazy
1637[12:50:02] <B|ack0p> i installed winXP for retro games
1638[12:50:20] <B|ack0p> i tried debian and ubuntu but not working well
1639[12:50:23] <B|ack0p> weird problems
1640[12:50:24] <misery> B|ack0p, i have a T-62p... probably same chip. no problems
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1642[12:50:37] <B|ack0p> T62 or T70?
1643[12:50:43] <B|ack0p> there is no T62
1644[12:50:48] <B|ack0p> did you mod custom?
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1646[12:51:06] <misery> its not mobile though - battery circuit is dead
1647[12:51:15] <misery> T62p
1648[12:51:35] <misery> kinda defeats the purpose of a laptop, eh?
1649[12:51:40] <B|ack0p> misery, never heard T62p
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1651[12:51:50] <mi11k1> its a printer cartridge
1652[12:51:58] <B|ack0p> you mean T61p ?
1653[12:51:59] <mi11k1> toshiba
1654[12:52:09] <misery> p is the one with the radeon
1655[12:52:26] <misery> hmm... let me check
1656[12:52:37] <B|ack0p> misery, T60 and 61 has radeon already
1657[12:52:45] <mi11k1> i have a carbon
1658[12:52:47] <B|ack0p> p series mostly has redeon firegl
1659[12:52:55] <B|ack0p> radeon
1660[12:52:58] <mi11k1> no video though, sucks
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1663[12:54:03] <misery> its T-60p. sorry
1664[12:54:18] <B|ack0p> yea T60p has firegl ati gpu
1665[12:54:26] <B|ack0p> much better than radeon
1666[12:54:34] <misery> im confudling the T42 i also have thats broken
1667[12:54:34] <B|ack0p> 15 inch?
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1670[12:55:15] <mi11k1> carbon has a sweet gsm modem in it too, i just popped in a sim and it worked out of the box
1671[12:55:43] <B|ack0p> mi11k1, most thinkpads have wwan with gsm
1672[12:55:47] <mi11k1> on that umts band or whatever
1673[12:55:47] <B|ack0p> optiinal
1674[12:55:49] <B|ack0p> optional
1675[12:56:12] <B|ack0p> mi11k1, even my 2007 model x61s sim card place
1676[12:56:19] <B|ack0p> +has
1677[12:56:24] <misery> uh. this is debian, right? firegl drivers mean youre stuck at debian 6/7 or so
1678[12:56:53] <B|ack0p> misery, yea
1679[12:57:02] <misery> thats fine if i didnt accidentally drop the T-42p
1680[12:57:04] <mi11k1> B|ack0p, me too, but ive never had one that worked on these new bands with cheap data
1681[12:57:28] <misery> :(
1682[12:57:29] <B|ack0p> mi11k1, well i dont need that since i can hotspot via mobile phone
1683[12:58:34] <mi11k1> B|ack0p, not the same though. battery gets crushed
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1685[12:58:59] <B|ack0p> why not
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1691[13:03:40] <sarthe> so, uh, does anyone know rEFInd? or where to ask people more knowledgable than me?
1692[13:04:06] <mi11k1> never heard of it
1693[13:04:11] <sarthe> ive pretty much bricked this debian system because grub is retarded
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1695[13:04:30] <mi11k1> just get a grubrescue
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1698[13:05:03] <sarthe> ...well the reason im talking to you is because of a debian-live dvd, but thats pretty irrelevant
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1701[13:05:49] <mi11k1> sarthe, replaced-url
1702[13:05:54] <mi11k1> try this
1703[13:06:11] <melpy> nice name
1704[13:06:11] <sarthe> im really hating grub right now, but ok...
1705[13:06:50] <mi11k1> its not grubs fault you dont understand
1706[13:07:19] <sarthe> eh, ive already booted into the correct system, rescatux isnt going to help
1707[13:07:35] <mi11k1> even if it repairs grub?
1708[13:07:43] <sarthe> if i run update-grub, it still screws up because i changed /
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1710[13:08:05] <mi11k1> haha
1711[13:08:12] <mi11k1> change it to proper
1712[13:08:25] <sarthe> and ive managed to screw up rEFInd somehow too
1713[13:08:44] <mi11k1> it usually takes 5 mins to reinstall the whole os
1714[13:08:57] <sarthe> im not doing that
1715[13:09:00] <mi11k1> and learn a lesson and start fresh
1716[13:09:05] <sarthe> this isnt windows
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1718[13:09:29] <mi11k1> 2mins ?
1719[13:09:42] <sarthe> time is not important. data is
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1721[13:09:53] <mi11k1> get your data
1722[13:10:04] <mi11k1> how much data?
1723[13:10:18] <sarthe> ...tar it up, put it on other disk,
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1725[13:10:23] <sarthe> yeah, tried that
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1727[13:10:37] <mi11k1> is it a seperate partition?
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1729[13:11:15] <mi11k1> you can reinstall and keep you home partition intact for instance.
1730[13:11:43] <sarthe> replaced-url
1731[13:12:00] <mi11k1> i would just put in a new drive and get the data off later with a dock, if its that much trouble
1732[13:12:27] <sarthe> currently / is sdb8. correct. If i run `update-grub` and/or reboot, it shits itself.
1733[13:12:29] <mi11k1> youre using efi?
1734[13:12:34] <sarthe> yes
1735[13:12:41] <mi11k1> ummm
1736[13:13:04] <mi11k1> so, im pretty sure you use one or the other
1737[13:13:19] <sarthe> im only using EFI/GPT
1738[13:13:28] <sarthe> MBR can fuck off
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1740[13:13:54] <mi11k1> got some xplane going ehh?
1741[13:14:01] <sarthe> :)
1742[13:14:15] <sarthe> my dad flew in vietnam
1743[13:14:21] <mi11k1> i hate using enter and insert for rudder
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1745[13:14:29] <mi11k1> i need a joystick thing
1746[13:14:36] <mi11k1> flew what?
1747[13:14:41] <sarthe> i have $400 joystick
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1749[13:14:52] <sarthe> he flew caribous
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1751[13:14:59] <sarthe> DHC-4 i think
1752[13:15:20] <sarthe> wow, this went off the rails fast
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1754[13:15:58] <mi11k1> so, go into bios and tell your efi thing what to boot
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1756[13:16:21] <mi11k1> im not familiar with it, but efi and grub are different
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1758[13:16:58] <sarthe> it cant boot anything, it cant find rEFInd, grub EFI shits itself because its still desperate to reunite with the old /
1759[13:17:24] <mi11k1> i think you just hit f2 and go into bios and fix that
1760[13:17:27] <sarthe> its a fucking disaster mate!
1761[13:17:52] <sarthe> doesnt matter what disk i choose.
1762[13:18:02] <sarthe> and theyre all on the same one anyway
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1765[13:18:29] <mi11k1> theres efi options or something, and you pick an image.
1766[13:18:39] <mi11k1> what kind of computer is it?
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1768[13:18:44] <mi11k1> dont say mac
1769[13:18:51] <sarthe> there are... you want me to boot from PXE?
1770[13:18:59] <mi11k1> no
1771[13:18:59] <sarthe> :P
1772[13:19:11] <mi11k1> pxe is network boot
1773[13:19:23] <mi11k1> go into bios not just the boot menu
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1775[13:19:30] <mi11k1> disable legacy boot
1776[13:19:49] <sarthe> not doing that, i have scsi disks.
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1778[13:20:02] <sarthe> AND IT WORKED BEFORE
1779[13:20:15] <mi11k1> the disks will still work
1780[13:20:29] <sarthe> so dont give me whiny shit about how sata is better
1781[13:20:46] <mi11k1> theyre all scsi
1782[13:20:57] <sarthe> they pretend to be...
1783[13:21:05] <sarthe> i have actual scsi disks
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1785[13:21:16] <mi11k1> your drives got all the pins?
1786[13:21:45] <sarthe> what? theyre in a Sun storedge thingy
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1789[13:22:03] <mi11k1> anyways, lol\
1790[13:22:11] <xelpapus> Hi, does anyone knows if there is a way to calculate the required partition size if it were in a diffrent file system ?
1791[13:22:21] <mi11k1> wtf
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1793[13:22:38] <sarthe> partition size is irrelevant to filesystem
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1796[13:23:19] <xelpapus> i dont think so
1797[13:23:33] <mi11k1> you just make a partition and make a filesystem
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1799[13:23:54] <netcrash> Hello, how can I delete directories bellow a directory with more than 60 days?
1800[13:24:06] <fredrigu> I want to change sched_normal to sched_batch for my jenkins machine. I've found that I can do this in runtime with chrt but I want to do it from start. How can I make the system use shed_batch instead of sched_normal as default?
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1803[13:24:23] <mi11k1> is it 9 am?
1804[13:24:25] <mi11k1> shit
1805[13:24:34] <xelpapus> i have NTFS partition of 300GB size,i created EXT4 partition of the same size and used rsync to transfer the data,the EXT4 partition got full before rsync finished copying all files
1806[13:25:03] <mi11k1> xelpapus, is it right full?
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1808[13:25:09] <sarthe> netcrash, maybe try google translate?
1809[13:25:10] <xelpapus> yes
1810[13:25:21] <xelpapus> almost full
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1812[13:25:29] <mi11k1> xelpapus, just extend the ext4, i dunno?
1813[13:25:57] <mi11k1> i always allow some room to breath.
1814[13:26:02] <mi11k1> well piss anyways
1815[13:26:11] <sarthe> xelpapus, your target fs wasnt big enough, resize and try again
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1817[13:26:20] <eblip> have you tried ext2 xelpapus without all the journaling..not sure if it will make that much differnece
1818[13:26:29] <xelpapus> mi11k1 , i already tried i created another partition with 320 size and it wasn't enough
1819[13:27:14] <mi11k1> xelpapus, that might be an rsync thing. ive never used it
1820[13:27:47] <xelpapus> see,partitions of different file systems have hidden sizes :)
1821[13:28:06] <sarthe> xelpapus, the way to calculate partition size: fdisk - p <partition number> -> subtract end from start, and multiply by block/sector size
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1823[13:28:28] <mi11k1> any partityion tool should be able to tell you exactly what space the ntfs is using
1824[13:28:36] <mi11k1> did you do gpt?
1825[13:28:37] <sarthe> ...usually 512K
1826[13:28:46] <sarthe> 512, sorry
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1830[13:29:40] <xelpapus> i dont know (the partition is actually veracrypt container)
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1832[13:29:54] <sarthe> then why ask
1833[13:30:09] <mi11k1> veracrypt?
1834[13:30:10] <sarthe> eugh
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1836[13:31:33] * sarthe feels like its windos lusers firing random questions until one sticks
1837[13:32:02] <sarthe> i am so getting banned for that :)
1838[13:32:04] <gry> they are human beings
1839[13:32:15] <gry> just like i was ten years ago
1840[13:32:16] <xelpapus> sarthe,i'm linux programmer with almost 10 years expirence
1841[13:32:20] <mi11k1> so it looks like it decrypts on the fly
1842[13:32:33] <mi11k1> just copy and paste the contents
1843[13:33:21] <sarthe> xelpapus, congrats!
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1845[13:33:56] <xelpapus> the issue is that there are hidden sizes that can't easly seen
1846[13:34:06] <mi11k1> xelpapus, get the client for linux'
1847[13:34:20] <mi11k1> and just use the volume the same way
1848[13:34:38] <sarthe> ...in windos. try fdisk, cfdisk, parted, gparted, etc.
1849[13:35:04] <sarthe> pretty much anything
1850[13:35:17] <mi11k1> technically its a volume, it just reside on ntfs right now
1851[13:35:23] <mi11k1> i think
1852[13:35:32] <sarthe> not to unix...
1853[13:35:48] <sarthe> LVM in unix is an entirely different beast
1854[13:36:16] <sarthe> ...and very scary
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1856[13:36:17] <mi11k1> veracrypt, im reading about it now, it makes volumes
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1858[13:36:55] <sarthe> i tried it once. did not like it
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1862[13:37:30] <sarthe> if you have a screwup, thats another annoying level to recover from.
1863[13:38:03] <xelpapus> pretty much all screwups are annoying to recover from ;),thats why there are screwups
1864[13:38:24] <xelpapus> i just found out that i have 2 faulty hard drives
1865[13:38:25] <sarthe> true :) but you want the least amount of levels
1866[13:38:38] <mi11k1> guessing and screwups arent the same
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1869[13:39:07] <sarthe> oh no! i hope it was raid1 with 2 spares?
1870[13:39:25] <xelpapus> no raid,one was internal hard drive and one external
1871[13:39:36] <sarthe> ouch
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1873[13:40:04] <jelly> xelpapus: ntfs can have transparent compression, and it might have sparse files. How many files are there? What does your rsync command line look like, precisely? Also show output of "df" and "df -i"
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1875[13:40:23] <mi11k1> thats what i was trying to say.
1876[13:40:24] <jelly> I don't know if ntfs has hardlink.
1877[13:40:45] <xelpapus> jelly,if i remember compression was enabled when the partition used on windows many years ago,regarding files there are alot
1878[13:40:59] <mi11k1> jelly, did u see the part about its actually a encrypted volume?
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1880[13:41:06] <sarthe> are you trying to ruin it further, mount -o remount,ro first?
1881[13:41:15] <jelly> fun
1882[13:41:19] <jelly> mi11k1: no
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1885[13:41:24] <mi11k1> veracrypt
1886[13:41:41] <xelpapus> jelly,df doesn't show the real size :/
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1889[13:41:58] <xelpapus> if it were showing the real size rsync would have worked
1890[13:42:10] <sarthe> wow, thats fucked
1891[13:42:23] <mi11k1> replaced-url
1892[13:42:32] <mi11k1> i learned a lot from this.
1893[13:43:06] <mi11k1> its because it does that by design i think.
1894[13:43:48] <sarthe> why is everyone obsessed with veracryt?
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1896[13:44:45] <xelpapus> hard drive encryption is good thing to do,in case the computer get stolen or you have to get new drive by warrenty
1897[13:44:47] <sarthe> afs.. NO, cifs...NO, wtf?
1898[13:45:39] <sarthe> encryption.. what are you hiding, you pervert/whacky conspiracy theory fucknut?
1899[13:45:47] <mi11k1> either way, i dont care. unless youre worried about jailtime
1900[13:45:53] <xelpapus> sarthe,linux isos :)
1901[13:46:22] <sarthe> you mean ISIS?
1902[13:46:34] <xelpapus> lol
1903[13:46:37] * sarthe *confused*
1904[13:46:46] <mi11k1> time to goto work.
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1906[13:47:44] <sarthe> only use of encryption ive seen is Sony trying to pretend they are bettter than everyone else.
1907[13:48:57] <xelpapus> sarthe,with which product ?
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1909[13:49:11] <sarthe> their console obviously
1910[13:49:26] <sarthe> fuck me, was that a waste of money
1911[13:49:34] <xelpapus> i dislike game consoles, i can't understand why people buy them
1912[13:49:39] <xelpapus> PC is much better
1913[13:50:12] <xelpapus> console games are so expensive
1914[13:50:23] <sarthe> i was sick of the effort required to maintain a unix system... i thought they'd do better :?
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1916[13:50:31] <xelpapus> and somehow limited (game controller vs keyboard)
1917[13:51:04] <xelpapus> sarthe,i've been maintainer of a linux system for 7 years
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1919[13:51:20] <xelpapus> its impossible job
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1922[13:51:30] <sarthe> i beat you by another 15. hooray?
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1924[13:52:02] <xelpapus> at my work we got a group of around 12 developers
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1927[13:52:23] <sarthe> i have PTSD, im just sick of it all, if thats what you were getting at.
1928[13:52:26] <xelpapus> to maintain a fork of RHEL
1929[13:53:02] <xelpapus> its just not possible to keep up with the speed that open source community progress
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1931[13:53:14] <sarthe> ...used to maintain enterprise Sun servers
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1934[13:53:39] * ksk saw one, once, in a pile..
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1936[13:54:22] <xelpapus> sarthe,what kind of maintainance ?
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1940[13:55:14] <sarthe> open source goes backwards lately.. because of phones IMHO
1941[13:55:34] <sarthe> and sysadmin
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1944[13:55:50] <xelpapus> i love open source programs, there is alot to learn by reading their code
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1947[13:56:21] <MTB2019> any web development tool i could install with apt-get ?
1948[13:56:38] <sarthe> the reason im still on debian 8 is because i dont want to deal with the micro-fucking-scopic scrollbars on the later releases
1949[13:57:14] <sarthe> and if i had a choice, id go back to debian 7
1950[13:57:34] <xelpapus> sarthe,as long as your OS get updates its good :)
1951[13:57:54] <sarthe> no one give updates for debian 7!
1952[13:58:11] <tsglove> but... the scroll bars aren´t part of Debian. They´re part of the Desktop Environment. Or am I mistaken?
1953[13:58:38] <sarthe> ...which debian decided was standard.
1954[13:58:45] <tsglove> what
1955[13:58:49] <xelpapus> tsglove,you are correct, but replaing the desktop environment is a mess
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1959[13:59:07] <tsglove> what? Dude, just install the DE you want and off you go. What mess?
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1961[13:59:43] <ratrace> MTB2019: (editors) vim, emacs, geany, (IDEs) eclipse, netbeans, ...
1962[14:00:00] <ratrace> tsglove: that's way too hard
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1964[14:00:17] <xelpapus> tsglove,in theory yes,but often you might have wierd issues
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1968[14:01:08] <MTB2019> ratrace: i'd n like something close to dreamwaver so i could build a website/ what would u recommend ?
1969[14:01:26] <tsglove> I have never encountered any of those issues xelpapus.
1970[14:01:27] <ratrace> MTB2019: I use vim, and pycharm for python
1971[14:01:40] <ratrace> MTB2019: before that I used netbeans and before that, eclipse.
1972[14:01:41] <sarthe> i notice in my debian-9 live cd they use fvwm or whatever its called now, because gnome is so bloated and broken.
1973[14:01:47] <ratrace> (pycharm with vim bindings)
1974[14:02:25] <sarthe> the scrollbars are still ridiculous, but meh
1975[14:02:27] <MTB2019> im not savy. so for beginner eclipse. would do ?
1976[14:02:37] <tsglove> ratrace, yes! I have the Ultimate (from JetBrains) with the vim bindings.
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1979[14:03:03] <xelpapus> MBT2019,i suggest you to develop with simple text editor that have syntax highlighting
1980[14:03:08] <ratrace> tsglove: I just can't touch any text without vim bindings :)
1981[14:03:10] <xelpapus> try notepad++
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1983[14:03:47] <MTB2019> k thx
1984[14:03:50] <xelpapus> it would work on linux with wine
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1986[14:03:52] <ratrace> MTB2019: really depends on what kind of web develpoment you're talking about. just html and css? javascript? php? for newbies, I'd recommend an IDE, always. Eclipse should be a good start.
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1988[14:04:12] <tsglove> ratrace, yes! I always set the default editor to vi(m).
1989[14:04:14] <MTB2019> ratrace: thx
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1991[14:04:48] <tsglove> I once tried emacs, yet it was way above my head. I am sure in the future I´ll give it another go. Yet for now, vi is where I do everything. Still learning how to do new things almost every day.
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1995[14:06:29] <xelpapus> MBT2019,what kind of web development you need ?
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1998[14:09:12] <MTB2019> xelpapus: some simple html website of like 5 pages.
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2000[14:10:16] <ratrace> MTB2019: may I recommend using static site generators? Pelican comes to mind. I'm sure there are others.
2001[14:11:10] <MTB2019> ratrace: look i can download a website template and edit it for my needs. but first i need to find the tool. badck in the days i used dreamwaver on windows
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2003[14:11:39] <xelpapus> MTB2019, are you interested in learning or just to get the site up ?
2004[14:11:54] <BrainWork> so, ive done a bit of a hackjob in my system, which works but i know theres a better way - damned if i know how to approach it. in my root crontab i have this: replaced-url
2005[14:11:57] <MTB2019> just to get the site up . \
2006[14:12:14] <qman__> MTB2019: the last website I did, I used Grav: replaced-url
2007[14:12:33] <BrainWork> the reason i have it is because the bridge never starts properly on boot via systemd. compound with that, the other services that come after ifup depend on the bridge existing as they bind to or refer to the ip of the bridge.
2008[14:12:47] <BrainWork> how can i fix this properly, using the tools provided in the base debian buster install please?
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2010[14:13:36] <qman__> oh, wrong website
2011[14:13:38] <BrainWork> im just lucky crontab doesnt seem to be asyncronous on a per user level, and starts those jobs in the correct order
2012[14:13:41] <xelpapus> BrainWork,what do you mean by "never start properly" ?
2013[14:13:49] <BrainWork> it just doesnt bring it up
2014[14:13:56] <qman__> MTB2019: sorry, this is the link replaced-url
2015[14:13:58] <BrainWork> ive configured it all in /etc/network/interfaces, it doesnt bring it up
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2017[14:14:06] <MTB2019> qman__: LOL
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2019[14:14:31] <BrainWork> i followed a debian howto page on it, and the bridge not coming up was one of the known issues, but all the recommended fixes there didnt work
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2021[14:14:46] <BrainWork> having had this issue on a previous system which was a wifi AP, i used this kludge
2022[14:15:20] <xelpapus> BrainWork,how about adding your own init script to create the bridge with brctl
2023[14:15:35] <xelpapus> instead of systemd network system
2024[14:15:40] <ratrace> MTB2019: any text editor would work then. recommended are those with syntax highlighting. geany is apt installable. if you're on gnome, iirc gedit can too. KDE has Kate and KDevelop. These are not IDEs but simple text editors.
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2026[14:15:56] <ratrace> MTB2019: and if you want to use snaps, there's SublimeText and maybe others
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2028[14:16:11] <BrainWork> replaced-url
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2031[14:16:31] <BrainWork> the bridge creation and brctrl seems to persist across reboots xelpapus, just ifup doenst trigger
2032[14:16:45] <qman__> tools like Dreamweaver don't really exist anymore because they don't produce good websites - CMS systems have largely replaced them
2033[14:17:09] <qman__> Grav is a pretty good one for simple, static pages, there are plenty of others, too
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2035[14:17:17] <BrainWork> i could probably put those commands that are in my crontab into an init script, but that i think just moves the kludge to another part of the boot process
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2038[14:17:48] <BrainWork> im sure its related to slightly more complex boot time dependencies than were considered in the default setup
2039[14:18:01] <BrainWork> and is probably a simple fix, if i knew where to look
2040[14:18:32] <ratrace> MTB2019: ah, this is a nice list: replaced-url
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2043[14:20:52] <BrainWork> i wonder if its as simple as 'auto br0', but i was sure you couldnt use 'auto' on a software defined thing like a bridge or tunnel
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2047[14:22:29] <xelpapus> BrainWork,if auto br0 tell the kernel to bringe the interface up then it would work
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2049[14:22:50] <BrainWork> yes it apparently tells the kernel to bring up the device at boot
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2051[14:23:04] <xelpapus> so do it
2052[14:23:10] <BrainWork> i cant try that here though, as if i balls it up, it will lock me out of the box and keep it down till i get home :)
2053[14:23:31] <BrainWork> i'll give it a go later
2054[14:24:06] <BrainWork> theres also allow-hotplug
2055[14:24:10] <sarthe> something wrong there... bridges are simple
2056[14:24:15] <BrainWork> which waits for udev to detect the device *then* brings it up
2057[14:24:27] <BrainWork> sarthe: yeah, this is what i thought! :)
2058[14:24:49] <sarthe> maybe try not-module?
2059[14:25:03] <BrainWork> its a home router device, with four ports on a bridge and one ip on the bridge, and a separate dhcp interface to the internet
2060[14:25:09] <xelpapus> BrainWork,bridge interface is virtual udev won't detect it
2061[14:25:12] <BrainWork> not-module? not heard of that one.
2062[14:26:13] <sarthe> oh. you need a bunch of other crap in kernel if you want to try to bridge to some spastic modem
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2064[14:26:42] <sarthe> theres a thing about specific device drivers
2065[14:26:56] <BrainWork> nah im not bridging to the modem
2066[14:27:15] <BrainWork> the modem itself is a bridge, and presents the internet connection via ethernet/dhcp with a public ip address, its simple enough
2067[14:27:26] <sarthe> ok, i dont understand the problem, sorry. \o/
2068[14:27:39] <BrainWork> the bridge is so that the other ports act as a switch, like any other domestic basic router device
2069[14:27:53] <xelpapus> bridge = virtual switch :)
2070[14:28:10] <sarthe> not even close,
2071[14:28:13] <BrainWork> i plug all my other home devices into the other ports, enp1s0 thru enp3s0 and the wx* wifi
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2074[14:28:31] <BrainWork> it works, im just not happy with that crontab kludge
2075[14:28:52] <BrainWork> it might just be the simplest solution is "dont touch it", after all i will reboot it what, once a year or less
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2077[14:29:22] <BrainWork> its only got one open port, sshd on the lan side, so even updating the OS for security patches wont be massively high priority
2078[14:30:00] <sarthe> BrainWork, is it a modem, or a router. probably would help to be clear on that.
2079[14:30:03] <BrainWork> basically just stick unattended-upgrades on it, and check in on it every so often
2080[14:30:11] <BrainWork> its a router
2081[14:30:13] <sarthe> i was being faciecous before
2082[14:30:28] <BrainWork> replaced-url
2083[14:32:06] <sarthe> ...crontab. wtf?
2084[14:32:35] <BrainWork> yeah, my first choice was /etc/rc.local, but that is awlays hit and miss since jessie
2085[14:32:42] <BrainWork> s/always
2086[14:33:27] <BrainWork> (because it runs async with the rest of the boot scripts, so you dont know if its running *after* the network is up)
2087[14:35:26] <sarthe> not sure mate, if its a router, you can mess around with it, usually. if its NBN, leave it alone (NBN is a bridge ATM-ethernetII)
2088[14:35:49] <BrainWork> nope, its just plain ethernet all the way, and completely self-configured
2089[14:36:12] <BrainWork> i was fed up of under-performing off the shelf software like in my draytek
2090[14:36:33] <sarthe> ugh. ive not read stuff you wrote...
2091[14:36:44] <tsglove> BrainWork, wow that little thing would be good for a NextCloud instance.
2092[14:36:50] <sarthe> (looking up stuff and so on)
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2096[14:37:49] <BrainWork> tsglove: yeah, i love it, you can put up to 32gb ram and 512gb ssd in them :D
2097[14:37:59] <tsglove> They have listed a 1TB mSata!
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2099[14:38:07] <sarthe> ah... bragging. i see
2100[14:38:11] <BrainWork> im kicking myself for not buying a fully tricked out one and replacing my power hungry dell T310 server with it
2101[14:38:28] <BrainWork> the one i got was just the 2gb/120gb one
2102[14:38:34] <stefanos82> greetings everyone. I have found a font, named Andada and it's licensed under the same license as Fantasque Sans Mono; the only problem is that is not included in Debian packages, at least visibly -_-
2103[14:38:39] <tsglove> Well, you can upgrade it quite easily.
2104[14:38:48] <tsglove> That thing running Debian would be awesome.
2105[14:38:51] <stefanos82> does anyone knows whether it's included as part of a specific font package so I can install it? thank you
2106[14:39:00] <BrainWork> yeah, maybe in the future. im constantly getting it in the neck about the power bill due to my dell
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2108[14:39:42] <BrainWork> tsglove: is nextcloud like owncloud?
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2110[14:40:11] <BrainWork> (yeah appears it is, i googled it)
2111[14:40:23] <tsglove> BrainWork, yeah, yet it's a fork. I think ownCloud enterpirsed-up and did a fuck-you to the community.... and in typical hacker fashion they split and setup nextCloud.
2112[14:40:34] <BrainWork> could just stick a whole bunch of usb3 hard disks or ssds in its usb ports
2113[14:40:37] <sarthe> stefanc_diff, add 'non-free' after everything in /etc/apt/sources.list
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2115[14:41:04] <sarthe> then apt-get update
2116[14:41:12] <stefanos82> sarthe: I presume you were referring to me?
2117[14:41:24] <BrainWork> only thing i dont like is that the device doesnt have much room around the usb ports, when i had a vga in it alongside a usb keyboard during setup, they pushed each other apart a bit... also doesnt come with serial to usb adaptor, but meh
2118[14:41:24] <sarthe> heh. sorry, yeah
2119[14:41:35] <sarthe> (damn autocomplete)
2120[14:41:36] <stefanos82> sarthe: I already have the non-free included for years now
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2122[14:43:04] <sarthe> stefanos82, ok there are a bunch of fonts you can install... `apt-get truetype` and filter it for the one you want maybe?
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2124[14:43:52] <sarthe> im guessing youre after greek fonts
2125[14:44:13] <stefanos82> sarthe: I think I didn't make myself clearer in the first place; my apologies. I'm not a newbie around font usage or writing documents in LaTeX and texinfo
2126[14:44:23] <stefanos82> no, I'm not after Greek fonts
2127[14:44:28] <stefanos82> I want to use the English fonts
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2129[14:44:51] <sarthe> ok, ill stfu then.
2130[14:44:54] <BrainWork> stefanos82: you could download the ttf of it from google fonts, and then install it: replaced-url
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2132[14:45:29] <sarthe> serves me right for trying to help
2133[14:45:30] <BrainWork> or just get it from github: replaced-url
2134[14:45:54] <stefanos82> BrainWork: that's the easiest way I would say...I was just wondering how come it's not part of Debian, that's all
2135[14:46:31] <stefanos82> sarthe: first of all, I appreciate your help and effort. Second, I didn't say anything with 'stfu' in any way possible
2136[14:46:46] <sarthe> i did :P
2137[14:46:52] <ov3rmind> if any can make me a small help please try replaced-url
2138[14:47:00] <sarthe> because im english and can use it :)
2139[14:47:01] <stefanos82> sarthe: also, Andada and Fantasque Sans Mono are fully FOSS licensed fonts
2140[14:47:13] <sarthe> but no worries
2141[14:47:17] <stefanos82> sarthe: then whatever makes you happy lol
2142[14:47:33] <sarthe> hilarious
2143[14:49:16] <BrainWork> stefanos82: million dollar question, but if debian had all the fonts i like to have as standard they'd have no room for programs and daemons... i think i have like 5gb of fonts as standard and thats nothing compared to some graphics designer types who have like dozens of gigabytes of just ttfs
2144[14:49:38] <karlpinc> stefanos82: Maybe nobody's asked for it.
2145[14:49:56] <stefanos82> BrainWork: ...so your question is...?
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2147[14:50:07] <BrainWork> stefanos82: just a statement :)
2148[14:50:27] <BrainWork> i meant that why its not in debian is the million dollar question
2149[14:50:40] <stefanos82> karlpinc: I think I have a suspicion...it's only OTF, I cannot find any WOFF or TTF of it
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2173[15:00:56] <jelly> BrainWork: lots of free software is not in Debian. Either noone packaged it, or noone asked for it to be included, or both.
2174[15:01:10] <jelly> or it's not free
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2177[15:04:44] <jelly> !rfp
2178[15:04:44] <dpkg> Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See replaced-url
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2204[15:22:51] <sarthe> one would like the reason to be 'because its not a standard', but sadly advertising works
2205[15:24:04] <sarthe> and most standards are made by committee.
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2207[15:24:36] <sarthe> its like asking monkeys to tie shoe laces
2208[15:25:19] <sarthe> they have the dexterity, but not the intelligence
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2213[15:26:47] <sarthe> (also, dont tell any monkeys i said that, because they would rip my arm off)
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2215[15:27:15] <sarthe> (and then beat me with it)
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2234[15:37:38] <jelly> sarthe: also, we have #debian-offtopic for chat; best keep the non-support lines here to a minimum
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2236[15:38:29] <sarthe> of course, sir.. and the offtopic twit that instigated that...?
2237[15:38:39] <sarthe> blimey
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2242[15:40:05] <sarthe> fuck this shit
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2248[15:46:27] <Guest76873> #flood
2249[15:46:58] <Guest76873> hekko
2250[15:48:04] <jelly> Guest76873: sorry, #flood isn't really cared for these days. Can you put your stuff onto a pastebin site like paste.debian.net
2251[15:48:36] <Guest76873> What is this chatroom for?
2252[15:48:45] <greycat> Also, please ask a question here, in English, so people know whether they should take the time to look at your pasted material.
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2254[15:50:19] <Guest76873> ??
2255[15:50:21] <Guest76873> ??
2256[15:50:22] <Guest76873> ??
2257[15:50:23] <Guest76873> ??
2258[15:50:25] <Guest76873> ??
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2266[15:55:47] <C00Lh> Hi, I've installed Buster and my NIC only works intermittently. It is always detected and a module is loaded, but half the time it can't get an IP. If I reboot a couple of times, it usually works fine. The network device is a Realtek (module: r8169). I have not installed the custom firmware and would prefer not to
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2273[15:59:26] <karlpinc> C00Lh: You can get the non-free firmware from the non-free part of Debian. Devices don't work so well without firmware. If you really don't want non-free firmware you need hardware with free firmware.
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2285[16:03:42] <C00Lh> Fair enough, I'll install it. But I'm a bit concerned about the kernel panic. I have a clean Buster installation and it just panics. This didn't happen with stretch
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2288[16:05:41] <karlpinc> C00Lh: I'd start by installing the firmware and see if that makes a difference.
2289[16:05:45] <oiaohm> C00Lh: I have seen lot doing clean installs fail to reinstall firmware they had install prior and have strange stuff happen. Falling back to the devices include firmware can be a very bad time.
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2291[16:07:13] <C00Lh> Just installed firmware-realtek and noticed the NIC seems to work more reliably now. Let's hope there are no more panics!
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2297[16:10:56] <oiaohm> C00Lh: do you have package list of your prior install to check for firmware-realtek.
2298[16:11:30] <oiaohm> C00Lh: it could be a device with highly suspect include firmware.
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2300[16:12:00] <C00Lh> I don't have a package list. I remember reinstalling with and without the non-free firmware to compare stability
2301[16:12:45] <C00Lh> It's a Realtek NIC (r8169) which doesn't seem to be rated very highly
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2304[16:13:14] <C00Lh> Funnily enough, the latest Ubuntu LTS always detected it reliably. I tried this with a live USB
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2306[16:13:25] <tristan_1> Whats up
2307[16:13:31] <greycat> Realtek in general is known for being cheap and... well, cheap.
2308[16:13:52] <C00Lh> yes, I know. But if it works reliably on one flavour of Linux, I'd hope it would work on Debian :)
2309[16:13:59] <karlpinc> C00Lh: I'm under the impression that Ubuntu includes non-free firmware.
2310[16:14:25] <C00Lh> karl: Yes, it does. Ubuntu is a lot more relaxed about non-free sw
2311[16:14:36] <karlpinc> (The most common reason why people find Ubuntu "easy to install", in my not-very-large experience.)
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2353[16:40:12] <horribleprogram> efibootmgr doesn't come installed on Debain systems?
2354[16:40:21] <horribleprogram> replaced-url
2355[16:40:34] <horribleprogram> or is it in some directory not listed on my $PATH
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2362[16:42:45] <horribleprogram> EFI variables are not supported on this system.
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2364[16:42:50] <horribleprogram> what in the hell
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2369[16:46:55] <ayekat> horribleprogram: booted/installed in legacy mode?
2370[16:46:56] <rem5> hey folks.. I'm trying to preseed/pxe boot debian 10.1 and keep running in to issues where the disks aren't being detected. I've tried SCSI, SATA, and virtio, and nothing will detect the disks. I'm using the netboot image to pxeboot. Am I using the wrong image? or is there something in preseed I need to do to detect disks properly?
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2375[16:47:50] <sa-ghosts> how to list all packages installed from a certain repo?
2376[16:47:53] <horribleprogram> ayekat: how do I know
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2379[16:49:08] <ayekat> horribleprogram: do you see /sys/firmware/efi?
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2382[16:49:58] <horribleprogram> /sys/firmware/acpi /sys/firmware/dmi /sys/firmware/memmap
2383[16:50:15] <ayekat> horribleprogram: replaced-url
2384[16:50:31] <ayekat> is that the installer/live system?
2385[16:51:01] <horribleprogram> sa-ghosts: aptitude search *something here*
2386[16:51:09] <horribleprogram> :P
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2397[16:54:46] <horribleprogram> so yeah my /dev/sda is has an MBR partition table, not a UEFI ESP
2398[16:54:53] <horribleprogram> is there a way to... change this?
2399[16:55:03] <horribleprogram> without ruining everything
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2404[16:57:12] <SerajewelKS> unless there is unpartitioned space where you can put the ESP, you need to resize something else
2405[16:57:45] <SerajewelKS> if you have a separate /boot you could resize that after unmounting it since it's not required to be mounted while the system is running (unless installing a new kernel or updating bootloader config)
2406[16:57:57] <greycat> do you *really* want to? for most people, UEFI doesn't really offer any advantage over MBR, especially if MBR is already in place and working
2407[16:58:12] <horribleprogram> yeah but isn't it your motherboard firmware that determines whether you can even have UEFI
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2410[16:58:43] <SerajewelKS> yes but that doesn't make it mandatory
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2415[17:00:01] <jelly> horribleprogram: it also determines whether you can have legacy BIOS boot.
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2419[17:00:33] <jelly> if your system can legacy boot, there's no pressing need to switch to uefi boot
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2421[17:01:10] <jelly> and then you do not need efibootmgr
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2429[17:02:23] <jelly> horribleprogram: why do you want (or think you need) efibootmgr?
2430[17:02:55] <srged> I have installed Brackets from a terminal, but can't find it in the menu. nor i know how to open it from a terminal/ any idea?
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2433[17:05:44] <EoflaOE> srged: Have you tried writing "brackets" in the terminal?
2434[17:06:08] <jelly> srged: how, precisely, did you install that
2435[17:06:16] <srged> EoflaOE: bash: brackets: command not found
2436[17:06:43] <EoflaOE> srged: OK. What version of Debian are you running and did you use apt to install this program?
2437[17:06:47] <greycat> "brackets" is not a package name in Debian, and I've never heard of it (with or without the capitalization)
2438[17:06:47] <srged> jelly: replaced-url
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2444[17:07:50] <srged> EoflaOE: debian 9
2445[17:08:19] <greycat> "Method 1" says "sudo apt-get install snapd" and "sudo snap install brackets" so the question becomes "how do you run a snap application"
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2447[17:08:34] <EoflaOE> srged: It seems that you have used snapd on Debian. I will look up for command name
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2451[17:08:55] <srged> EoflaOE: debian 10
2452[17:09:45] <vlt> Hello. How can I find out if a hardware raid controller "MegaRAID 9361-8i PCIe" is supported by stock Debian 10?
2453[17:09:48] <greycat> Method 1 also has a hyperlink whose text says "Snap" which links to replaced-url
2454[17:10:16] <jelly> srged: use "snap list" and "snap run ..."
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2456[17:10:35] <greycat> About 80% of the way down that page, it says "Look for them in the menu, try command line (you’ll have to guess their run command, normally the name of the application) etc."
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2459[17:10:38] <greycat> Loverly.
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2461[17:11:06] <jelly> vlt: first you find its pci-id value and check whether there's a driver for it
2462[17:11:22] * greycat closes both tabs
2463[17:11:23] <srged> jelly: replaced-url
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2465[17:11:49] <EoflaOE> srged: snap run brackets
2466[17:11:59] <jelly> srged: > You need to make sure that /snap/brackets/112/opt/brackets/chrome-sandbox is owned by root and has mode 4755.
2467[17:12:18] <greycat> *blink*
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2469[17:12:30] <jelly> greycat: electron apps are like that.
2470[17:12:54] <greycat> this "editor" needs to be setuid root because...?
2471[17:12:55] <srged> I'd rather remove it. and install the .deb file
2472[17:13:23] <jelly> greycat: the chrome-sandbox binary needs root, to set up restrictions for the actual app
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2475[17:14:27] <jelly> /var/lib/dpkg/info/skypeforlinux.postinst:chmod +4755 /usr/share/skypeforlinux/chrome-sandbox
2476[17:14:34] <vlt> jelly: Thank you.
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2479[17:15:18] <jelly> greycat: please ignore the fact the "safe setuid wrapper" is a 5MB binary
2480[17:16:13] <jelly> greycat: the alternative is to enable per-user namespaces in kernel, which Debian does not do by default because those have ever worse security implications
2481[17:17:06] <ratrace> jelly: CONFIG_USER_NS=y from what I see in the kernel
2482[17:17:21] <solido> is it a bad idea to overwrite the partition table on an external usb disk drive and just use the whole thing as a single block device? i did 'dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdb bs=1M' to overwrite the whole thing with random data before making it a luks device and putting a filesystem on it, and now i get some error messages in the kernel log when unlocking the luks device. it still seems to work fine, but i'm worried that the error
2483[17:17:21] <solido> messages mean that something is still wrong...
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2485[17:17:28] <jelly> ratrace: the feature is present, and not enabled by default.
2486[17:17:30] <solido> relevant part of the log: replaced-url
2487[17:17:45] <ratrace> jelly: ah that's nice then. USER_NS tends to be.... yeah...
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2489[17:17:50] <solido> it's a 1 TB seagate expansion hdd.
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2492[17:18:24] <ratrace> jelly: though frankly I'm not sure which is better... allow userNS or have setuid browser :)
2493[17:18:29] <jelly> solido: I use whole (external) disks as LVM PV
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2495[17:19:12] <solido> jelly: have you seen those error messages?
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2498[17:20:07] <jelly> solido: can't say I have, no
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2503[17:22:56] <jelly> solido: those i/o errors on first 8 512B sectors are weird.
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2505[17:23:46] <jelly> solido: can you do a "dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/null bs=512 count=1" as root without errors?
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2507[17:24:45] <solido> jelly: yes.
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2510[17:26:34] <jelly> perhaps the device needs some time to warm up, or it behaves more like a 4KiB sector one than a 512B sector one now for some reason
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2513[17:27:47] <solido> the alignment error message makes no sense, 16777216 is divisible by 4096 (it's 4096 * 4096).
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2517[17:29:38] <jelly> yep
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2528[17:32:26] <solido> jelly: apparently the kernel disables ata passthrough for seagate usb disks in uas mode because of some problems, so smartctl and hdparm doesn't work either... could that be related?
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2533[17:36:35] <lilith93> Hi, I'm going to upgrade from Debian Stretch to Buster and my sources list is as follows: replaced-url
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2538[17:38:07] <somiaj> lilith93: I would start by reading the relase notes replaced-url
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2543[17:39:23] <somiaj> that extra file you have in /etc/apt/sources.list.d is redundent, you probably shouldn't have two sources for the main stretch repo. Also the 'deb.debian.org' source is better (in some aspects) than the ftp.de.debian.org mirror, you may want to remove that unneeded source file and change your mirrors in your main sources.list
2544[17:39:57] <greycat> I still use the country-code mirrors.
2545[17:40:12] <greycat> If ftp.de.debian.org is working well for you, there's no compelling reason to switch.
2546[17:40:31] <ross`> somiaj: By virtue of ftp.de being a mirror? Or does the de mirror have more issues than most? o.O
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2548[17:40:38] <greycat> they're all mirrors
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2550[17:40:57] <somiaj> ross`: no, it is just a single mirror, vs a more modern pool of mirrors
2551[17:40:59] <somiaj> !deb.debian.org
2552[17:40:59] <lilith93> ok, thanks. so I will delete the file and leave the source list unchanged
2553[17:40:59] <dpkg> deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See replaced-url
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2556[17:41:46] <greycat> Interesting... didn't expect .de. to be just one IP. The .us. mirror set is 3 IPv4s and 3 IPv6s.
2557[17:41:52] <somiaj> And the old mirrors work just fine, I'm just pointing out the more modern approach over a round robbin dns mirror (though I think the de is just a single mirror, vs the us one is like 3-4 mirrors on a round robbin dns configuration)
2558[17:41:56] <ross`> somiaj: ahhh, so debian is utilizing a variation of the netflix dns routing algorithm? fancy!
2559[17:42:10] <greycat> replaced-url
2560[17:42:44] <lilith93> So, deb replaced-url
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2562[17:42:53] <somiaj> lilith93: correct
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2564[17:43:11] <somiaj> lilith93: the only differnece is the mirror you were using, and one contains contrib and non-free and the other didn't (but it could have)
2565[17:43:24] <lilith93> ok, thanks. I 'll upgrade then before getting more confused
2566[17:43:30] <jelly> solido: might be, yes. btw if you need smart, try the (non-free, binary only) hdsentinel tool
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2573[17:46:20] <solido> jelly: apparently there's a way to tell the kernel to disable uas mode for a device to make ata passthrough work, though it might be a bit slower... i'll try that first.
2574[17:46:47] <solido> i don't need a lot of speed, i'm planning to use this for backups.
2575[17:47:21] <snackattack> I am trying to install package singularity-container on buster but it seems to be missing. The tracker says that it was accepted into testing in 2018 well before the transition freeze for buster (replaced-url
2576[17:47:49] <jelly> ,v singularity-container
2577[17:47:50] <judd> Package: singularity-container on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 2.6.1-1~bpo9+2; bullseye: 3.1.1+ds-1+b1; sid: 3.1.1+ds-1+b1
2578[17:48:02] <greycat> It also says it was removed from testing just before buster's release.
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2581[17:48:21] <jelly> snackattack: or do a local backport (build to deb package) of the version in sid
2582[17:48:29] <yomm> Hi, I accidently removed my /bin/rm, which messed up my apt, but I fixed that by 'touch /usr/bin/rm' so apt is ok. But apt install --reinstall coreutils doesn't reinstall my rm binary. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
2583[17:48:34] <jelly> let's see if it's feasible
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2585[17:48:41] <jelly> ,checkbackport singularity-container
2586[17:48:42] <somiaj> snackattack: replaced-url
2587[17:48:42] <judd> Backporting package singularity-container in sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster.
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2589[17:49:03] <greycat> yomm: ls -ld /usr/bin/rm /bin/rm
2590[17:49:04] <somiaj> snackattack: following jelly's advice is what I would do to, backport it from unstable.
2591[17:49:23] <jelly> yomm: did apt download the coreutils_....deb package into /var/cache/apt/archives?
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2594[17:50:42] <yomm> greycat: that didn't work
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2596[17:50:58] <greycat> yomm: it will tell you which one exists, after your reinstall...
2597[17:50:58] <yomm> jelly: i'll check
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2599[17:51:20] <greycat> yomm: especially since you used both /usr/bin/rm and /bin/rm in your initial question, it's possible you're looking for the wrong one
2600[17:51:29] <jelly> yomm: that ls must have done _something_, it anything it would have told you two file paths were not existing?
2601[17:51:38] <mason> Noob question, but do Debian RPi kernels pull from kernel.org or from github/raspberrypi/linux? I'm poking about and it's not yet clear to me.
2602[17:51:54] <snackattack> greycat: somiaj: jelly: OK thanks for the info/advice, I'll just do a make install to /usr/local for now but look into backporting it in future
2603[17:52:06] <yomm> greycat: my bad, i ment /bin/rm in both cases
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2605[17:52:32] <greycat> I'm expecting the question to become "ls -l /bin/rm shows it exists, but I still get an error message when I try to run rm in bash"
2606[17:52:44] <greycat> or some variant thereof
2607[17:53:07] <jelly> yomm: so what did ls -ld ... say?
2608[17:53:38] <yomm> greycat: well since i 'touched' it to get rid of the apt errors it executes but obviously does nothing =)
2609[17:53:46] <jelly> snackattack: backporting might not be hard at all: /msg dpkg ssb
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2611[17:54:09] <somiaj> yomm: you can download the .deb and extract it with dpkg -x foo.deb /path/to/tmp/location and then copy the actual rm binary back into place.
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2613[17:54:19] * jelly wonders why a linux kernel would pretend to execute a zero length file
2614[17:54:51] <greycat> I'm not sure whether the kernel actually does, or if the kernel returns ENOEXEC and a shell runs it.
2615[17:55:00] <yomm> jelly: its says it's in both directories
2616[17:55:00] * jelly slaps head
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2618[17:55:08] <jelly> yomm: show the output.
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2621[17:56:42] <yomm> jelly: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 64424 Feb 22 2017 /bin/rm
2622[17:56:51] <yomm> jelly: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Oct 4 16:51 /usr/bin/rm
2623[17:56:56] <jelly> that's not a zero length file
2624[17:56:59] <greycat> Looks fine to me. as root, /bin/rm /usr/bin/rm
2625[17:57:04] <jelly> hah
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2627[17:57:34] <greycat> You may also need to do "hash rm" in shells that may have cached the wrong one.
2628[17:57:35] <somiaj> I don't have /usr/bin/rm on my machine (stretch) here.
2629[17:57:43] <greycat> usrmerge is a buster thing
2630[17:57:44] <jelly> yomm: which debian release is this?
2631[17:57:56] <somiaj> oh yea, its a usrmerge issue, forgot that is now default again.
2632[17:58:09] <greycat> default on new installs, not on upgrades...
2633[17:58:13] <jelly> when is it "default again"?
2634[17:58:18] <yomm> jelly: 9.11 stretch
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2636[17:58:50] <somiaj> jelly: It was default for a month or two in testing either in the stretch testing or jessie testing era....to many bugs so it never made it to a release
2637[17:59:03] <somiaj> I only know cuase it messed with my chroots for a while
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2639[17:59:40] <yomm> strange thing is when I do /usr/bin/rm it works, but it is a '0 size' file...
2640[17:59:48] <greycat> it does nothing.
2641[18:00:03] <jelly> somiaj: oh, that was in debootstrap
2642[18:00:05] <greycat> As root: /bin/rm /usr/bin/rm and then consider doing "hash rm" in shells.
2643[18:00:29] <greycat> (or exec bash, or log out and back in, or whatever)
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2647[18:01:27] <yomm> greycat: that worked thannk you !
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2678[18:19:33] <srged> How can I see editable html output inside of Brackets ?
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2693[18:30:33] <lilith93> Just started apt-get upgrade from Stretch to Buster. After 5 minutes or so I get messages like "Word 'Wes'' contains illegal characters", etc. Is this normal?
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2697[18:31:28] <lilith93> Last line are here: replaced-url
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2703[18:35:28] <karlpinc> lilith93: Best is to follow the upgrade instructions in the release notes. It also has a section on possible problems.
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2705[18:35:54] <lilith93> karlpinc: I check again. I read it before the upgrade
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2710[18:38:43] <karlpinc> lilith93: I believe you should be using "apt" not "apt-get".
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2712[18:39:14] <lilith93> ok
2713[18:39:25] <lilith93> I looked also here: replaced-url
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2716[18:40:43] <srged> anyone familiar with Brackets ?
2717[18:40:43] <karlpinc> lilith93: Follow the offical instructions rather than random advice from the Internet.
2718[18:41:20] <lilith93> ok
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2721[18:41:53] <karlpinc> lilith93: Looks like it might be an aspell problem. Not necessarly a critical component. You could check, or worse-case reinstall, after upgrade.
2722[18:42:26] <lilith93> karlpinc: I made apt purge aspell* ispell*
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2724[18:42:58] <lilith93> now it asks me about the system-wide default dictionary language
2725[18:43:12] <lilith93> think it doesn't matter what I choose here
2726[18:43:25] <karlpinc> lilith93: Probably not.
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2731[18:45:35] <srged> any Bracksts user here?
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2738[18:47:18] <karlpinc> srged: You already asked your real question. IRC requires patience. Wait about an hour before asking again. You could try to look for offical Brackets support. Maybe they have an IRC channel.
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2757[18:58:31] <BCMM> srged: If you specifically want Brackets users, try the #Brackets IRC channel.
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2799[19:30:02] <velix> Is there a way to turn "buster-backports" to "stable-backports" or just "backports"?
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2802[19:30:07] <velix> It's damn annoying ;)
2803[19:30:16] <velix> I've too many systems and I always forget, which OS I'm on
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2806[19:32:04] <solstis> hello, excuse me for the stupid question. i am trying to install xsheep, but after extracting the .tar.gz file i do not know what to do with xsheep.c (how to execute .c file and this program at all?)
2807[19:32:32] <greycat> you compile it. ideally, the tarball you extracted will contain a README or INSTALL file that tells you how.
2808[19:33:14] <solstis> olstis@snail:~/Downloads/xsheep$ ls
2809[19:33:14] <solstis> CHANGELOG oldsheep.c sheep.wav xsheep.c
2810[19:33:14] <solstis> Makefile sheep.jpg testsheep.c xsheep.jpg
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2812[19:33:30] <greycat> you can try running "make" and see if that works
2813[19:33:34] <solstis> * implemented with shape extension and override_redirect, hopefully this means
2814[19:33:34] <solstis> that no window that anyone is likely to use will attempt to put a bloody title
2815[19:33:34] <solstis> bar on top of the sheep !, if one does you'll just have to
2816[19:33:34] <solstis> a) fall back to the horrible non-shape implementation or
2817[19:33:34] <solstis> b) use some windowmanager config options to ignore the sheep.
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2821[19:33:57] <solstis> * despite cunning window stack reordering, there is problems with setting the
2822[19:33:59] <solstis> sheep to the target, most noticable when falling from the middle of the window
2823[19:34:03] <solstis> as you dissappear immediately behind the window.
2824[19:34:05] <solstis> * right equivalents of left
2825[19:34:07] <solstis> * trying to crawl up the root and failing
2826[19:34:09] <solstis> * rearing up.
2827[19:34:11] <solstis> * being shocked when the window is removed from underneath !
2828[19:34:13] <solstis> * rolling sideways as a travel mechanism
2829[19:34:15] <solstis> * getting a cold ?
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2831[19:34:17] <velix> solstis: STOP flooding the channel please.
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2833[19:34:35] <solstis> this was the changelog
2834[19:34:41] <greycat> you can try running "make" and see if that works
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2837[19:35:18] <solstis> solstis@snail:~/Downloads/xsheep$ make xsheep.c
2838[19:35:18] <solstis> make: Nothing to be done for 'xsheep.c'.
2839[19:35:18] <solstis> solstis@snail:~/Downloads/xsheep$ make xsheep
2840[19:35:18] <solstis> cc -I/usr/X11R6/incude -g -c xsheep.c
2841[19:35:18] <solstis> xsheep.c:5:10: fatal error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory
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2843[19:35:29] <diogenes_> hehe and he's gonna paste make output here.
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2845[19:36:09] <greycat> solstis: please stop flooding. Paste only 1 or 2 lines at a time, and only when absolutely necessary.
2846[19:36:14] <greycat> ,file X11/Xlib.h
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2848[19:36:19] <judd> Search for X11/Xlib.h in buster/amd64: ivtools-dev: usr/include/IV-X11/Xlib.h; libx11-dev: usr/include/X11/Xlib.h; libnx-x11-dev: usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/nx-X11/Xlib.h; python3-pycparser: usr/share/python3-pycparser/fake_libc_include/X11/Xlib.h; python-pycparser: usr/share/python-pycparser/fake_libc_include/X11/Xlib.h
2849[19:36:42] <greycat> So at a bare minimum, you need to install libx11-dev. There may be others too.
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2852[19:37:11] <mtn> fyi, they asked on the mint channel a few minutes ago
2853[19:37:36] <greycat> You might want to just skip ahead and install xorg-dev which will bring in libx11-dev and a bunch of other X11 -dev packages.
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2859[19:40:22] <solstis> ok thank you very much
2860[19:40:24] <solstis> !:)
2861[19:40:24] <dpkg> oh, so nice to see you smile!
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2866[19:41:47] <brutser> hi, when i make debian expert install and disable root by not enter a password and create a sudoer user "john", then i execute a shell, the user is not yet available, so i cannot add john to any groups i want, how can i do this the right way?
2867[19:41:58] <brutser> say i want john added to group "mygroup"
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2870[19:42:04] <brutser> i can create mygroup from the shell
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2872[19:42:18] <brutser> but i cannot add john to the group, as john is not created yet
2873[19:42:22] <greycat> it would be a lot easier to do it after the install's done
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2876[19:43:10] <brutser> greycat: yes that's an option, or i thought to just create dummy root for the moment, then execute to shell and create the user from the shell, that way i can add it to any group i want
2877[19:43:18] <brutser> and then just disable the root after
2878[19:43:26] <brutser> would that work?
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2880[19:44:06] <greycat> I guess you could add your username to the lines in /etc/group even before the user account exists, but I haven't actually tried it
2881[19:44:14] <brutser> ah yes
2882[19:44:30] <brutser> that might work
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2988[21:05:03] <karlpinc> brutser: When you get a shell in the installer you are in the installer. At least I think so. Which makes me think that you'd then need to chroot into the install itself and "do stuff". In the chroot the user should exist.
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2999[21:15:53] <brutser> karlpinc: yes i chroot into the install, but no, user is not yet created
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3008[21:21:08] <karlpinc> brutser: Humm. At some point before reboot-into-installed-system in expert mode the user must be created.
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3010[21:22:09] <karlpinc> brutser: Maybe if you told us more, like why you can't do this after install, we'd have more suggestions.
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3025[21:28:18] <brutser> karlpinc: i actually don't have any reasons why i cannot do it after install, i just want to create an automatic deployed configured system for embedded device that have no internet connection, so i am doing the package install also during setup
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3027[21:28:33] <brutser> i thought i could do the user permissions/configurations/profiles also during setup
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3029[21:29:27] <brutser> just with a script running from the shell, obviously i can have the script run at first boot too i guess
3030[21:29:57] <brutser> but i can check adding the non existing john user to /etc/group and see if that works
3031[21:30:05] <brutser> i think it should
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3057[21:52:39] <teclo-> hm I'm getting errors when doing apt update because my Debian mirror says "403 not allowed to fetch that type of file: icons-48x48.tar.gz "
3058[21:53:07] <teclo-> There's that bug report replaced-url
3059[21:53:08] <judd> Bug replaced-url
3060[21:54:01] <somiaj> why is an apt update even trying to fetch an icons-48x48.tar.gz file, this seems fairly strange.
3061[21:54:15] <teclo-> somiaj: that's what I'm asking myself right now :)
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3063[21:54:20] <somiaj> Also that bug seems to be in apt-cacher, not apt, so what is the exact command you ran?
3064[21:54:29] <teclo-> just apt-update
3065[21:54:33] <teclo-> apt update
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3069[21:54:55] <somiaj> teclo-: are you using a local mirror via apt-cacher to get your packages? Maybe the issue is that. What are your sources.list, can you paste them at paste.debian.net
3070[21:55:22] <somiaj> Or do you have some proxy set up?
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3073[21:56:21] <teclo-> just a moment
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3080[21:59:21] <teclo-> replaced-url
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3085[22:00:44] <teclo-> when doing apt-get update it coughs with one line saying: " 403 Sorry, not allowed to fetch that type of file: icons-48x48.tar.gz "
3086[22:00:58] <teclo-> then E: The repository 'cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 10.1.0 _Buster_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20190908-01:09] buster Release' does not have a Release file.
3087[22:01:23] <teclo-> and then N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
3088[22:01:39] <teclo-> and finally N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
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3093[22:02:23] <teclo-> I've been using Debian a long time and well it's the first time I'm getting such "weird" error massages ... I don't know what's going on :/
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3096[22:02:49] <jhutchins_wk> teclo-: You probably don't want both the DVD and a network source enabled. Try commenting out the dvd.
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3099[22:04:52] <teclo-> jhutchins_wk: ok, thank you,
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3101[22:05:41] <teclo-> ah wait
3102[22:05:45] <teclo-> perhaps do I have to apt clean ?
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3105[22:06:48] <somiaj> teclo-: also what is this debian-mirror you are using, did you set this up, do you have a local apt-cacher on your system, or is this on a vps on some large network?
3106[22:07:13] <teclo-> somiaj: that's one of my rackmounted servers in the basement
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3108[22:07:30] <teclo-> physical machine
3109[22:07:46] <somiaj> so the issue might also be with apt-cacher or whatever debian-mirror:7777 is, this is some local repo
3110[22:08:07] <somiaj> and the bug you linked might be relevent, but you don't seem to suggest you have ever set such a local mirror/repo up
3111[22:08:13] <somiaj> !buster sources.list
3112[22:08:13] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
3113[22:08:34] <somiaj> you could just use an actual debian mirror as per that factoid, but this local mirror/apt-cacher you have setup is the culprit
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3116[22:10:57] <teclo-> somiaj: maybe... but what is weird is that apt requests a file called with the .tar extension
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3118[22:11:20] <somiaj> this appears to be some bug with your local mirror (apt-cacher is one tool to create this).
3119[22:11:47] <somiaj> do you know what debian-mirror on your network is, or is this setup by someone else on your network?
3120[22:12:18] <teclo-> somiaj: I set it up myself
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3122[22:12:33] <teclo-> it only fetches "legit" Debian sources
3123[22:12:33] <somiaj> Using the offical debian mirrors will fix your issue, but local mirrors (espcailly in a rack-mount setup) does save having to download the same packages multiple times for many machines.
3124[22:12:51] <greycat> I just use a squid proxy.
3125[22:12:53] <somiaj> go look at how that is setup, if it uses apt-cacher, maybe try apt-cacher-ng or look deeper into that bug
3126[22:13:03] <greycat> I don't know why people make it so bleedin' difficult....
3127[22:13:10] <teclo-> somiaj: well yeah that's why I have my own mirror, it's much faster when installing new machines :)
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3129[22:13:41] <somiaj> teclo-: the bug is there, I'm not that familar with such things, but that is where you should start looking
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3133[22:14:53] <teclo-> well there's ony line that describes the repositories that apt-cacher fetches:
3134[22:15:08] <teclo-> path_map = debian ftp.be.debian.org/debian ftp.de.debian.org/debian ftp.fr.debian.org/debian ; debian-security ftp.be.debian.org/debian-security ftp.de.debian.org/debian-security ftp.be.debian.org/debian-security
3135[22:15:16] <somiaj> so you are running apt-cacher, did that bug have any work arounds teclo?
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3137[22:15:32] <somiaj> and as mentioned, maybe using apt-cacher-ng instead will just work, it is supose to have some nice features not in apt-cacher
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3141[22:15:53] <teclo-> somiaj: well they suggest changing installer_files_regexp
3142[22:15:57] <teclo-> so I'm gonna try that
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3151[22:19:47] <teclo-> but in the bugh report they say some people have had problems with files called "changelog", nobody ever reported the error with filetype icons-48x48.tar.gz
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3159[22:25:08] <teclo-> this is puzzling
3160[22:26:00] <teclo-> for buster/main DEP-11 64x64 Icons the file is fetched ("Get")
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3162[22:26:59] <teclo-> for buster/non-free DEP-11 64x64 Icons it is ignore ("Ign")
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3164[22:27:22] <teclo-> and fort buster/main DEP-11 64x64 Icons it's an error
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3178[22:39:35] <foul_owl> Trying to upgrade libc6 on my debian 10 system. replaced-url
3179[22:40:00] <greycat> ,v libc6
3180[22:40:01] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u4; buster: 2.28-10; bullseye: 2.29-2; sid: 2.29-2
3181[22:40:14] <greycat> so you're actually on stretch, most likely
3182[22:40:43] <foul_owl> You're right! Stupid mistake, sorry
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3186[22:44:48] <teclo-> damnit ... replaced-url
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3189[22:45:11] <teclo-> now I can't install my nvidia drivers
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3199[22:48:31] <teclo-> It seems I have broken packages... what can I do (other than reinstall the OS) ?
3200[22:48:40] <RoyK> foul_owl: lsb_release -a should tell ;)
3201[22:48:50] <greycat> cat /etc/debian_version is better.
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3203[22:49:43] <RoyK> greycat: same result
3204[22:50:25] <greycat> except /etc/debian_version is reliable and lsb_release is a vestigial thing that's going to get worse and worse until eventually it goes away
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3206[22:51:23] <RoyK> greycat: then 'cat /etc/os-release'
3207[22:51:43] <RoyK> which should work across distros on relatively modern versions
3208[22:52:49] <RoyK> not sure if it's in stretch, though
3209[22:52:55] <teclo-> isn't LSB Linux Standard Base ? So something an organization has decided as a standard ?
3210[22:53:10] <RoyK> it is
3211[22:53:23] <greycat> A pseudo-standard created by a committee that fewer and fewer people care about every year.
3212[22:53:34] <tomreyn> teclo-: tidy up your apt repositories. if you want to installnvidia-driver you'll need to enable the "non-free" section. you may also have overlapping package infomration from multiple (read: 3rd party) apt sources.
3213[22:53:49] <RoyK> replaced-url
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3234[23:13:08] <LtL> teclo-: try # apt-get install -f
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3239[23:14:24] <LtL> teclo-: there are other steps if that doesn't fix them.
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3249[23:21:18] <teclo-> LtL: ah thank yout
3250[23:21:19] <maxrazer> For some reason my clock in XFCE is behind by one hour. Debian wiki says to install NTP and set that.
3251[23:21:24] <teclo-> stille the same problem
3252[23:22:51] <RoyK> dpkg --configure -a
3253[23:22:51] <dpkg> RoyK: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
3254[23:23:00] <LtL> teclo-: # apt-get update –fix-missing -then # dpkg --configure -a and apt-get install -f again.
3255[23:23:02] <RoyK> and pastebin the errors
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3259[23:26:24] <LtL> maxrazer: is your timezone correct? type 'date'
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3261[23:27:16] <maxrazer> LtL, Actually yes it is and the time is right there too. I didn't check that before. The time is still one hour behind on XFCE clock though.
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3263[23:27:27] <teclo-> replaced-url
3264[23:28:22] <LtL> maxrazer: replaced-url
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3266[23:29:03] <LtL> maxrazer: the terminal is right but xfce is wrong?
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3269[23:29:13] <maxrazer> LtL, I saw that. I haven't done any of that. I think ntp might be good. Debian is getting the right time though from my system clock I think. I dual boot too and it hasn't gone crazy recently. I think windows is set to UTC to prevent that.
3270[23:29:30] <maxrazer> LtL, Yes, the terminal is right, but the XFCE clock is one hour behind.
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3272[23:30:06] <LtL> maxrazer: can't you right click on xfce's time/date applet?
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3274[23:30:39] <maxrazer> LtL, I can only change the format and timezone. It was set to EST. I just changed it to EST5EDT and now the time is right.
3275[23:30:50] <maxrazer> No idea what that was.
3276[23:31:16] <maxrazer> The terminal calls my timezone EDT not EST and not EST5EDT
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3279[23:32:50] <LtL> maxrazer: well, the US is on daylight savings for a bit longer, then it'll be EST
3280[23:32:50] <maxrazer> It looks like if I delete the time zone it also is correct.
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3284[23:33:41] <maxrazer> Oh, that is what those mean. EST5EDT is both so it is smart somehow. But, also if I leave it blank it will just use the system time.
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3287[23:34:21] <maxrazer> Thanks, you made me reconsider the timezone when I saw the terminal was EDT and not EST.
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3289[23:36:23] <maxrazer> I almost missed an appointment today because I was looking at the computer clock instead of my phone.
3290[23:36:52] <teclo-> maxrazer: there's something called a watch ;)
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3292[23:37:16] <RoyK> teclo-: oh - those nvidia things - are they official packages?
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3294[23:37:32] <maxrazer> teclo-, My watch battery died a few years ago and I didn't get a replacement. I might start wearing one again, not sure.
3295[23:37:44] <annadane> i can never remember whether i'm in EST or EDT
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3297[23:37:47] <annadane> i give up trying
3298[23:37:52] <RoyK> teclo-: I'd say just purge them and reinstall them
3299[23:38:08] <teclo-> maxrazer: well my watch doesn't need a battery and it runs all the time ;)
3300[23:38:11] <LtL> maxrazer: you might look into timedatectl if you're systemd.
3301[23:38:21] <teclo-> annadane: half of the year it's EDT the other half EST
3302[23:38:22] <maxrazer> You are probably in EST5EDT meaning you switch between both meaning you observe daylight savings time with the seasons.
3303[23:38:31] <teclo-> RoyK: ok how can I purge these things ?
3304[23:39:55] <teclo-> RoyK: here's the tutorial I followed: replaced-url
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3308[23:40:30] <maxrazer> I have the nvidia-driver installed
3309[23:41:12] <maxrazer> It is normally just add "contrib non-free". I think recently though the package doesn't include nvidia-settings anymore and has to be installed in addition.
3310[23:41:20] <maxrazer> I'm using unstable updates.
3311[23:41:43] <teclo-> RoyK: dpkg -l | grep nvidia only show nvidia-detect
3312[23:42:11] <maxrazer> There seem to be way more steps on there than I've ever needed.
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3315[23:44:12] <RoyK> teclo-: first, is this a fresh install or an upgrade?
3316[23:44:47] <RoyK> maxrazer: using next or sid isn't really recommended
3317[23:44:50] <RoyK> !debian-next
3318[23:44:50] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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3321[23:46:33] <teclo-> RoyK: fresh install as always :)
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3323[23:47:30] <RoyK> teclo-: sorry - don't know - but good luck :)
3324[23:47:55] <RoyK> you may try to apt purge those packages, though, and reinstall them
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