• 0[00:00:09] <somiaj> SKYRAN: there are various live images. There is a standard image that doesn't even contain xorg.
• 1[00:00:26] <somiaj> SKYRAN: there are also ways to build your own live image. And with persistance you can add/remove/modfy the installed packages.
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• 4[00:01:49] <SKYRAN> somiaj: yes but they have sudo! Can i make an image of debian on vbox and then dd it to usb?
• 5[00:02:12] <somiaj> SKYRAN: you will have to do more than that to get it bootable.
• 6[00:02:23] <ryouma> baraba: thanks. i guess i don't understand how most people use that command, or why firefox sometimes defaults to a given command, etc., or whether mime types someplace has some relation, or whether my not running a desktop environment has anything to do with anything. :/
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• 8[00:02:46] <somiaj> SKYRAN: usb is slow so live images and running from memory is my suggestion. But you can install on usb as the harddrive and use this provided.
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• 11[00:03:38] <Pegasus_RPG> drmagoo: sweet, it appears fine now with the newer kernel. Whew
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• 13[00:04:04] <drmagoo> Pegasus_RPG: =) Glad to hear it !
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• 16[00:05:10] <baraba> ryouma:
• 17[00:05:20] <baraba> for alternative in `update-alternatives --get-selections | grep -oP "^[^\s]+"` ; do echo $alternative; update-alternatives --list $alternative ; done > alternatives.txt
• 18[00:05:32] <SKYRAN> somiaj: oh, i see. so how i make my env static. for instance i install nodejs. after reboot it vanish. what should i do. last question :)
• 19[00:05:32] <baraba> will list you all alternatives
• 20[00:05:51] <baraba> into alternatives.txt file
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• 25[00:07:35] <somiaj> SKYRAN: so you want to not have to reinstall things each time with a live image? Use persitance
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• 27[00:08:26] <SKYRAN> somiaj: excuse me. can guide me little more.
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• 29[00:09:14] <ryouma> baraba: nice! i wonder why that is not built in. i must be doing somethign wrong to want that funcitonality.
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• 36[00:12:56] <somiaj> SKYRAN: not finding the best guides out there, but it is possible. replaced-url
• 37[00:13:03] <somiaj> SKYRAN: I hear that works for jessie images too
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• 39[00:13:26] <TomTomTosch> ryouma: default applications are a bit messy in linux. the association file -> mimetype is done using /etc/mime.types. then there is /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache that is generated from desktop entries and do the association mimetype->application no way to change the order there, but one can set preferences in cat ~/.config/mimeapps.list and then xdg-open might consider taking your suggestion
• 40[00:13:28] <TomTomTosch> of default applications. if it feels like it. or maybe your DE implemented something else entirely ^^
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• 47[00:16:59] <ryouma> TomTomTosch: just fluxbox, so usually the issue is that something assumes i am running gnome or something and i have no clue
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• 52[00:18:04] <SKYRAN> somiaj: thanks
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• 54[00:18:18] <ryouma> i find it overly confusing. right now, i am trying to play an mp3 in firefox. it offers mpv and other. i click other. but it does not have a place where i can enter a command name. it assumed i will be able to browse the file hierarchy and pick a command and will never need to supply an argument to any command. i just don't get it.
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• 56[00:18:23] <ryouma> TomTomTosch:
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• 62[00:21:41] <TomTomTosch> huh firefox just plays mp3s for me internally. where does it offer you mpv?
• 63[00:22:12] <TomTomTosch> is it an older firefox?
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• 65[00:25:22] <stoned> or it could be a firefox file extension mime type handing thing
• 66[00:25:50] <stoned> where firefox will try to open mp3 with an associated app
• 67[00:26:18] <stoned> Check firefox options
• 68[00:26:25] <ryouma> TomTomTosch: firefox esr debian jessie 45.4.0
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• 75[00:29:50] <missmbob> could've sworn firefox in debian uses gstreamer...so i'm not sure what's happening with you
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• 78[00:31:21] <ryouma> i don't know where it is thinking that mpv is the one i want either
• 79[00:31:36] <ryouma> there is a mime thing in the firefox profile but it does not say mpv
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• 83[00:32:56] <ryouma> although there is audio/mp3=mpv.desktop;alsaplayer.desktop; in /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache
• 84[00:33:28] <ryouma> but dunno whether a .config version of that can accept %s for an argument
• 85[00:34:00] <ryouma> missmbob: i have various gstreamer packages installed; dunno what they do
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• 87[00:34:43] <TomTomTosch> they provide plugins for gstreamer with codecs and whatnot.
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• 93[00:36:20] <ryouma> and that is a media player?
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• 95[00:36:36] <TomTomTosch> it's a library that many media players use.
• 96[00:36:49] <missmbob> backend. things like totem (gnome's video player) uses it
• 97[00:36:49] <ryouma> ah
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• 110[00:46:06] <TomTomTosch> you could check if gstreamer1.0-libav and gstreamer1.0-plugins-good are installed.
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• 115[00:48:24] <ryouma> they are
• 116[00:48:27] <missmbob> ryouma: have you tried just nuking your profile?
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• 126[00:53:27] <ryouma> too much stuff to do that and this is not so critical. maybe firefox just thinks all of its users are so stupid that they do not know what a unix pathname is?
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• 128[00:54:15] <petemc> they would be correct
• 129[00:54:18] <ryouma> i can always just create a shell script, but i just wanted to know why it isn't letting me say "ado vid %s" where %s is the file
• 130[00:54:28] <ryouma> some, not all
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• 155[01:05:04] <missmbob> ryouma: i'd be curious to know if this happened if you downloaded the binary tarball from mozilla
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• 165[01:11:26] <ryouma> missmbob: i asked on the firefox channel on mozilla.org, and one person said that firefox does not have the ability at all, and if you want it, you have to install an extension (just to be able to specify a command line to run O.o). this is sort of mind boggling because we're supposed to keep the number of extensions low to keep bugs low. :)
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• 174[01:15:24] <ryouma> so if i really cared about this maybe i could fix it with TomTomTosch's mime explanation, but i don't know the syntax for supplying arguments there, and this isn't critical at all so i will let it be.
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• 179[01:16:47] <missmbob> ryouma: i dont care at all, really. just thought it might help you
• 180[01:17:35] <TomTomTosch> my explenation is not related to firefox. firefox came up later.
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• 183[01:18:37] <ryouma> missmbob: thanks
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• 185[01:18:53] <ryouma> TomTomTosch: oh, then i still do not know why firefox chose mpv then
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• 241[01:58:17] <random_numbers> So, I wanted to install gcc-doc, but it doesn't exist. gcc-4.9-doc exists but for some reason gcc-doc-base doesn't exist and is required, what's up with this?
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• 243[01:59:24] <missmbob> random_numbers: it's in contrib. so add it to your sources.list
• 244[02:00:26] <random_numbers> Ah, alright. I'd added 'non-free' specifically to install it, as I just plan to install that and then remove the repos from my list.
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• 250[02:01:09] <random_numbers> missmbob: Thanks, btw.
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• 252[02:01:15] <missmbob> sure
• 253[02:02:05] <NCS_One> hi
• 254[02:02:26] <NCS_One> debian doesn't read ~/.profile on startup?
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• 259[02:07:29] <petemc> NCS_One: what does startup mean to you?
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• 262[02:09:39] <NCS_One> petemc: sorry, not debian start but when opening a terminal
• 263[02:10:05] <Epakai> it's probably only read on a login shell
• 264[02:10:26] <somiaj> NCS_One: read man bash, if .profile is read depends on if the shell is a login shell or not.
• 265[02:10:35] <somiaj> also depends on if .bash_profile exists
• 266[02:10:47] <NCS_One> it doesn't
• 267[02:11:04] <random_numbers> So, the docs installed just fine, thanks for the pointer.
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• 271[02:13:06] <somiaj> NCS_One: when using bash, .profile is only read on login shells otherwise .bashrc is read. Many of the default .profile or /etc/profile will (if running bash and .bashrc exists) source that too. So edit .bashrc for things you want to affect both login and interactive shells, and .profile for things only for login shells.
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• 273[02:13:24] <somiaj> NCS_One: also realise .profile is read by shells other than bash, so having bash only syntax shoudln't be put there.
• 274[02:14:11] <themill> NCS_One: opening a terminal is not, by default, a login shell. You can make it one if you want.
• 275[02:14:20] <random_numbers> replaced-url
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• 277[02:14:38] <random_numbers> There's some about .profile in there.
• 278[02:15:13] <random_numbers> (And in other chapters.
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• 283[02:17:47] <codfection> rock solid distro
• 284[02:17:58] <codfection> applies to testing debian as well?
• 285[02:18:22] <missmbob> no
• 286[02:19:05] <somiaj> codfection: testing will freeze here soon, and then debian spends a while making it solid for the next release. So it takes a while to get a stable release.
• 287[02:19:45] <codfection> I see
• 288[02:20:04] <codfection> debian has more packages in its repo than ubuntu?
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• 294[02:21:10] <somiaj> codfection: I think so, the big thing is debian supports more arches than ubuntu. I would say debian has different packages (though more unoffical packages are provided for ubuntu via ppa's than for debian)
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• 298[02:22:34] <awal1> codfection, in fact, ubuntu have 0 pkgs; it just uses debian pkgs, like a leech
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• 301[02:23:07] <somiaj> awal1: ubuntu does a lot of changes and provides many packages that are not in debian (though there is lots of overlap in packages and even matainers)
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• 303[02:23:18] <petemc> and employs people
• 304[02:23:51] <random_numbers> Where ppa's or unofficial repos don't apply, you can generally build locally, package and install that way. (Always embbed useful descriptions in self-made packages, it's handy when doing system maintenance.)
• 305[02:23:51] <missmbob> unity. *shivers*
• 306[02:23:59] * random_numbers shivers.
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• 309[02:24:38] <codfection> I see
• 310[02:24:44] <codfection> awal1, thanks :)
• 311[02:24:53] <codfection> what de / wm would be best?
• 312[02:25:02] <awal1> somiaj, yeah, thats true. I know I was subjective :P
• 313[02:25:26] <codfection> DE / WM to go alone with debian stable/testing
• 314[02:25:43] <somiaj> codfection: I like how debian provides you lots of choices to choose what is best for you. I prefer a smiple wm myself, others like the preset up de's
• 315[02:26:28] <petemc> i like someone to choose my de for me
• 316[02:26:29] <somiaj> codfection: debian stable provides most main desktops, gnome, kde, xfce, lxde, mate and cinimon. ON top of that there are 10+ wms to choose from.
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• 318[02:26:38] <random_numbers> Depends on how much effort you want to take with customzing. DEs like xfce require little customization, while things like i3 or openbox require quite a lot.
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• 320[02:27:08] <random_numbers> Well... i3 a lot less so than openbox.
• 321[02:27:14] <codfection> yes I know I was just asking for opinions
• 322[02:27:55] <codfection> somiaj, which wm
• 323[02:27:57] <random_numbers> Personally I like i3. It's light and I like tiling. (And it works in hybrid mode so stuff that's more practical as floating can do just fine.)
• 324[02:28:03] <codfection> i3 or bpswm or openbox?
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• 326[02:28:34] <somiaj> codfection: I use fvwm, but it takes a lot of work to configure it.
• 327[02:28:41] <Anselmo> try all three?
• 328[02:28:54] <Anselmo> I'd preffer bspwm of that selection
• 329[02:29:05] <Anselmo> though personally I use ratpoison
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• 331[02:29:37] <codfection> I have tried i3
• 332[02:29:42] <codfection> its good :)
• 333[02:29:45] <codfection> not sure about the rest
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• 335[02:30:13] <Anselmo> well, most of them are tiny,
• 336[02:30:27] <Anselmo> installing six is not going to eat all your disk space
• 337[02:30:34] <codfection> haha
• 338[02:30:47] <somiaj> yea you could test all wms and probably not use as much disk space as a de.
• 339[02:30:50] <codfection> but it will take a lot of time to configure 6, wont it
• 340[02:31:01] <Anselmo> ha, yeah
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• 342[02:31:04] <somiaj> codfection: yea, it is a mix between features you want, defaults and amount of time to spend.
• 343[02:31:05] <Anselmo> and to learn them
• 344[02:31:28] <Anselmo> though you can often hunt and find some ok configs or config templates
• 345[02:32:31] <codfection> yea
• 346[02:32:33] <codfection> thanks guys
• 347[02:32:41] <codfection> might just stick to i3
• 348[02:32:44] <awal1> codfection, try them all
• 349[02:32:53] <Anselmo> haha
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• 351[02:33:00] <awal1> as i have done
• 352[02:33:49] <random_numbers> If I had such an elusive thing as a large screen, fvwm might tempt me.
• 353[02:34:13] <awal1> and finally I ended using openbox almost, but also sometime fvwm/fvwm-crystal
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• 357[02:36:24] <random_numbers> Heh, nice. replaced-url
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• 363[02:39:53] <random_numbers> Hm. crystal looks pretty modern.
• 364[02:41:25] <somiaj> it is okay if you like the way it is setup. If you actually want to create your own config for fvwm, not the best place to start.
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• 366[02:41:54] <petemc> modern isnt something i associate with tiling window managers
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• 370[02:42:15] <somiaj> fvwm isn't really tiling, though you can get it to somewhat mimic tiling.
• 371[02:42:18] <random_numbers> Isn't fvwm a floating wm?
• 372[02:42:24] <somiaj> (I woudln't say it is modern either)
• 373[02:42:27] <random_numbers> Erh, stacking.
• 374[02:43:07] * themill remembers when fvwm95 *was* modern
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• 376[02:44:35] <petemc> clue in the name?
• 377[02:45:18] <random_numbers> Yeah. Remember CDE?
• 378[02:45:28] <random_numbers> Or its clones, at least...
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• 380[02:46:15] <somiaj> I never worked on sun systems, though open CDE was recentally released.
• 381[02:46:29] <random_numbers> Yeah, so I see on the wiki
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• 383[02:47:39] <petemc> im working with some freebsd stuff that does networking in userspace. weird.
• 384[02:47:41] <themill> petemc: indeed. I probably have a config file for it sitting in an archive somewhere...
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• 390[02:49:26] <random_numbers> replaced-url
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• 414[03:07:14] <random_numbers> Half-baked idea: Is it feasible to mirror emails locally with pop3 onto a personnal mail server, and then access them properly via imap?
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• 416[03:07:41] <somiaj> random_numbers: fetchmail?
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• 418[03:09:12] <ryouma> random_numbers: yes, in debian. there are various options.
• 419[03:09:33] <random_numbers> And the accounts would be kept properly separated?
• 420[03:10:21] <ryouma> random_numbers: some sync 2 way others 1 way
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• 423[03:10:34] <somiaj> random_numbers: separated how? (it is possible but how you want them seperated affects configuration)
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• 427[03:12:37] <random_numbers> I've got a lot of email addresses. It'd be ideal if on my local server their mails were kept in separate mailboxes. It'd also be nice if the local-server was all that was needed for sending mail as well.
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• 429[03:13:13] <random_numbers> (Via pushing them to the address-appropriate remote servers.)
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• 431[03:13:34] <Orbstheorem> is there any good reason why "sshd.service" is on /etc/systemd/system instead of just being in /lib or /usr/... ?
• 432[03:13:51] <Orbstheorem> same with syslog.service
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• 435[03:14:40] <jmcnaught> Orbstheorem: they're both in /lib/systemd/system for me (and by default). Did you make custom service units?
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• 437[03:14:56] <themill> Orbstheorem: they're symlinks because they've been enabled
• 438[03:15:06] <Orbstheorem> ah!
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• 440[03:15:15] <Orbstheorem> that makes sense
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• 442[03:15:31] <Orbstheorem> but, why aren they in one of the *.target.wants?
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• 444[03:15:42] <jmcnaught> Orbstheorem: were you going by the output of "systemctl status ssh"?
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• 446[03:16:50] <Orbstheorem> no, I was just tracing the origin of each file on /etc/systemd/system
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• 450[03:17:52] <jmcnaught> Orbstheorem: there's also a display-manager.service there too. They're there so that if you type "sshd.service" it resolves to "ssh.service" (the actual name of the unit)
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• 454[03:18:40] <Orbstheorem> hmm, okay
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• 458[03:19:18] <Orbstheorem> I'm still confused about why they're not in /lib
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• 463[03:20:33] <Orbstheorem> I understand display-manager, which is one that we can "choose", but sshd is more evident
• 464[03:20:52] <jmcnaught> Orbstheorem: they are in /lib. sshd.service links to ssh.service. syslog.service links to rsyslog.service. It's for people that are used to the service being named 'sshd' or 'syslog' instead of the actual names ssh and rsyslog
• 465[03:21:07] <jmcnaught> like convenience symlinks
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• 471[03:22:21] <jmcnaught> Orbstheorem: you can check which unit systemd is using with 'systemctl status' and look at the Loaded: field
• 472[03:22:22] <somiaj> jmcnaught: just wish tab completion worked bettwer with the ones I create for myself.
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• 474[03:23:07] <jmcnaught> somiaj: we'll have to wait for systemd-tabcompletiond :P
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• 476[03:24:02] <somiaj> jmcnaught: more talking about the ones I use for directoires. foo ../blah dosen't work as expected since I'm actually in some other dictory.
• 477[03:24:03] <Orbstheorem> jmcnaught: zsh-completition works very well :)
• 478[03:24:23] <Orbstheorem> or was it zsh-autosuggestions?, can't remember
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• 497[03:42:42] <Pegasus_RPG> So I apparently need the newer hpsa driver present in kernel linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 to use my tape library changer but that kernel panics whenever I try to access the changer!
• 498[03:42:58] <Pegasus_RPG> with general protection fault: 0000 [#1] SMP
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• 502[03:46:39] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: have you checked that all the required config options are included in the debian kernel?
• 503[03:46:50] <Pegasus_RPG> How can I tell what I need?
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• 516[03:56:36] <Halvy> Are WE still 'barred' from discussing SystemD?
• 517[03:57:12] <petemc> this is a support channel
• 518[03:57:37] <random_numbers> Systemd support?
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• 520[03:57:53] <random_numbers> Does it support service classes or some such?
• 521[03:58:06] <Halvy> yea.. I know. Uhhh, yea, I have it on by debian...
• 522[03:58:15] <Halvy> by=my
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• 525[03:59:23] <Halvy> I am looking for a place that does not have paranoid, or 'bought off' mods.. where I can discuss the issues I am having, and how to help settle the problems it is causing (in Debian, Linux.)
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• 527[04:00:06] <Halvy> I know there are alternatives.. but.. I love Debian.. (pure debian that is)..
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• 529[04:00:17] <missmbob> you were told by three ops last time before being silenced. you didn't know they know were ops
• 530[04:00:18] <themill> We've already been through this. The community is not interested in this discussion and this is not the right place for it anyway. This is a support channel.
• 531[04:00:29] <Pegasus_RPG> somiaj: I'm testing now with 'nosmp' on the later kernel. So far so good
• 532[04:01:01] <Halvy> a.. 'Debian' support chan?? Where?
• 533[04:02:01] <Halvy> Yea, thanx 'bob'.. for the enlightenment. Now talk to us like were are grownups... if you can.
• 534[04:02:17] <Halvy> were=we are
• 535[04:02:36] <themill> Halvy: that's quite enough insults. Maybe less booze and more attention to typing coherently would help.
• 536[04:02:36] <random_numbers> s/classes/groups/
• 537[04:02:47] <Pegasus_RPG> somiaj: And it worked fine. So I apparently need the HPSA driver newer than 3.4.4 (3.4.16 works,) but a kernel that can do SMP and not panic when accessing the SAS tape autochanger
• 538[04:03:31] <random_numbers> No systemd service groups?
• 539[04:05:59] <Halvy> how is you talking about 'booze', related to a 'help/support' channel? You are the one talking nonsence. I have a boat load of nicks, proxies, and so forth, and plenty of time on my hands.. as do others (here) who are tired of your waisting our time, and false accusations.
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• 542[04:06:41] <themill> Halvy: #debian is still not the right place for this discussion. Please find somewhere else to rant.
• 543[04:06:54] <themill> /dev/null is pretty receptive.
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• 547[04:10:49] <themill> Forgive me for assuming that your incoherent ramblings indicated intoxication.
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• 553[04:15:19] <Pegasus_RPG> somiaj: actually, the kernel just took longer to panic. This time on BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at 0000000000017e10
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• 555[04:15:29] <Pegasus_RPG> So this kernel is useless to me
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• 563[04:20:02] <Orbstheorem> Can somebody please explain this code snippet (java)? what differs between both methods? replaced-url
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• 567[04:22:05] <random_numbers> I'm not feeling up to it right now, but you might have luck in #progamming if no one answers here.
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• 570[04:22:19] <random_numbers> s/progamming/programming/
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• 574[04:24:20] <Orbstheorem> done :)
• 575[04:24:42] <Orbstheorem> hope somebody can help on one of the three channels
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• 591[04:34:20] <Orbstheorem> was an overflow!
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• 597[04:38:58] <mrtrump> what io scheduler do you gents use?
• 598[04:39:05] <mrtrump> noop? cfq? deadline?
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• 606[04:41:22] <random_numbers> Orbstheorem: There was an overflow in your code. Hm, that's bad.
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• 725[06:33:53] <random_numbers> So. I revised an earlier idea, since a local client, so long as it as an MTA (with proper settings and logins), can send to whatever address.
• 726[06:34:18] <random_numbers> Now I really just wonder about hosting an intermediary server which would fetch my mail with pop3 from a number of other servers and expose them locally to imap.
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• 738[06:49:05] <random_numbers> Hm, would 'Courier Mailserver' be the only that can possibly do it?
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• 746[06:58:22] <random_numbers> I seem to only find guides that do the exact opposite part of what I want to do. That being use a relay to send mail.
• 747[06:58:39] <random_numbers> I want to receive mail using a local relay.
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• 752[07:02:16] <mitc0185> I'm getting a 404 for deb replaced-url
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• 754[07:04:05] <random_numbers> Probably, because all the way down to the root that's 404.
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• 761[07:11:16] <somiaj> mitc0185: Lets see your sources.list, also google doesn't offer i386 packages anymore, if you have multiarch enabled, you need to tell apt to only look for amd64 packages
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• 776[07:18:09] <random_numbers> Well. That kind of sucks for anyone who doesn't own i486 or later I gues.
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• 779[07:19:26] <somiaj> random_numbers: i386 is the generic code name for 32bit based on that arch. Even debian jessie doesn't support i486 anymore, I think the minimum is i586
• 780[07:19:46] <somiaj> most have i686 these days, but chrome doens't provide 32bit packages for linux anymore, only 64 bit
• 781[07:19:56] <random_numbers> I see. I also knew vaguely that it was an architecture standard.
• 782[07:20:10] <random_numbers> Hm, not standard, type. Not sure how to phrase it.
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• 786[07:20:59] <random_numbers> Hm. The lack of support, does it imply there's no binaries available, or that it's not even a valid compile target anymore?
• 787[07:21:57] <somiaj> you'll have to ask google why they don't support 32bit packages anymore, this is not something debian has control over.
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• 790[07:23:12] <random_numbers> I was actually asking about debian.
• 791[07:23:20] <pingfloyd> google pretty much does whatever they want
• 792[07:23:47] <pingfloyd> they know people will worship them no matter how much they give users the finger
• 793[07:23:53] <random_numbers> The ad revenue probably got too low for it to be worth debugging.
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• 795[07:23:58] <somiaj> random_numbers: debian still provides packages for multiple arches, and I think i586 is the minimum arch they support for i386 family, but debian supports plenty of other srchetcutes.
• 796[07:23:58] <Spec> pretty sure it's cause chrome most definitely needs to address 1 tb of ram to function well
• 797[07:23:59] <themill> Getting chromium to successfully compile on anything other than amd64 is hard work.
• 798[07:24:10] <random_numbers> Spec: lel
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• 800[07:25:04] <pingfloyd> why not just dump that chrome turd and live happily ever after?
• 801[07:25:09] <somiaj> ,v --arch=i386 chromium
• 802[07:25:10] <judd> No package named '--arch=i386' was found in amd64.
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• 804[07:25:38] <themill> ,archs chromium
• 805[07:25:39] <judd> Package chromium in jessie: amd64 (53.0.2785.89-1~deb8u1), i386 (53.0.2785.89-1~deb8u1)
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• 810[07:28:57] <random_numbers> try contrib or non-free?
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• 813[07:29:47] <themill> try what for what purpose?
• 814[07:29:50] <somiaj> random_numbers: what do you mean? chromium is provided by debian and has both i386 and amd64 packages. chrome provided by google doesn't.
• 815[07:30:36] <random_numbers> I was confused I guess. I read that as judd saying that it wasn't in the repos.
• 816[07:30:48] <somiaj> random_numbers: no I had bad syntax.
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• 850[08:10:29] <gshrikant> My vim (v2:8.0.0022-1) says it doesn't have python support (-python, -python3). Have the packages with python support separated out?
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• 854[08:11:52] <themill> gshrikant: by python support, do you mean for scripting or for syntax highlighting?
• 855[08:11:53] <random_numbers> Yeah. You need vim-nox for the CLI vim with python support.
• 856[08:11:59] <random_numbers> (It also has ruby)
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• 858[08:13:35] <gshrikant> themill: I meant vim compiled with python support (from vim --version).
• 859[08:13:58] <themill> that doesn't help
• 860[08:14:01] <gshrikant> random_numbers: Thanks! I'll take a look at it.
• 861[08:14:26] <themill> if you mean for scripting, then you need vim-nox or vim-gtk or one of the other vim-* packages
• 862[08:15:35] <gshrikant> themill: Yes, I just installed the vim-nox package. That seems to work! Thank you!
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• 866[08:16:50] <nn9320> Hello, any know how I can make a context menu that allows creating .desktop entries of files?
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• 873[08:28:12] <random_numbers> Apparently not. If it's not debian-specific, you might try your luck in #linux or #xorg (if like I think it's x-server specific).
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• 879[08:33:57] <lisaperez> Donald Trump versus the New World Order - 1 of 3 replaced-url
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• 881[08:34:37] <peterrooney> !ops lisaperez spam
• 882[08:34:37] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: peterrooney complains about: lisaperez spam
• 883[08:34:37] <lisaperez> This is a series of interviews with Frank Raymond, the author of the politically incorrect thriller, Sweet Dreams and Terror Cells. Frank has given us a work of entertainment and literature that describes the unique identity, the folk soul and the forest mind of Caucasian man and woman, and reveals the methods by which by the Sneak Rulers of the New World Order are effecting the genocide of all the white peoples.
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• 894[08:38:13] <random_numbers> Wait, that wasn't a spambot?
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• 1017[10:21:12] <girlinvogue> Ban on Holocaust Debate Proves Democracy is a Lie - Joaquin
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• 1020[10:22:14] <girlinvogue> YouTube: Ban on Holocaust Debate Proves Democracy is a Lie - Joaquin - 0:30:17 - 13508 views - 285 likes / 10 dislikes
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• 1086[11:14:55] <dpkg> polly234: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a replaced-url
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• 1191[12:19:08] <ahri> hi, i just did a fresh install and then upgraded to stretch, i've not used straight debian for a while and i'm wondering what is in control of my wifi? it doesn't appear to be network-manager
• 1192[12:20:05] <ahri> is Wicd interfacing with a lower-level daemon?
• 1193[12:20:30] <ahri> or is it the daemon? :\
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• 1209[12:26:00] <musca> I don't think so.
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• 1231[12:38:34] <flux242> wicd is obsolete
• 1232[12:39:28] <babilen> again? ;)
• 1233[12:39:51] <flux242> always was
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• 1235[12:40:18] <babilen> Wouldn't say that, but it was abandoned for quite a while, then revived and probably abandoned again ..
• 1236[12:40:18] <flux242> since the very first line of code written for it
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• 1239[12:42:12] <flux242> doesn't matter anyway. All services will be integrated into the systemd soon, won't they?
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• 1367[14:01:53] <Epakai> why does the openssl-dbgsym version differ from the openssl version in stable? they seem to be built from the same source package
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• 1370[14:03:34] <dutchfish> Epakai, it contains debug symbols
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• 1373[14:04:05] <dutchfish> Epakai, the stable version doe snot
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• 1382[14:07:51] <themill> Also, -dbgsym packages should not exist in the stable release yet
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• 1402[14:15:01] <chillsuk> Would someone be kind enough to point at a irc bouncer port for arm7l
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• 1409[14:17:58] <dutchfish> chillsuk, well, you could choose any armel source and recompile it for your eabi.
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• 1411[14:18:35] <dutchfish> chillsuk, as far as i know none of the bin packages work
• 1412[14:19:32] <dutchfish> chillsuk, unless you are on armv7
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• 1417[14:21:02] <chillsuk> I don't have gcc it's a Bufallo NAS LS-120d
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• 1421[14:21:27] <dutchfish> chillsuk, well, this channel is debian only, maybe you ask them?
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• 1423[14:21:57] <chillsuk> okay thanks
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• 1425[14:22:36] <chillsuk> It runs a stripped down version of debian for armv7l
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• 1434[14:24:22] <dutchfish> chillsuk, well, if it was me and i persist on getting the job done, i would try a vm with that arch and compile the debian packages myself for that abi. That has a change of working, but since i don't know much of that abi, you are on your own.
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• 1470[14:41:55] <unborn> jak2000: what are you tiring to do?
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• 1472[14:43:32] <unborn> dutchfish: the only one person means to be on your own here is you - i hope you did realised that thing :)
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• 1477[14:44:28] <jak2000> integrate the rest of space
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• 1480[14:46:04] <unborn> it does not tell me still what you are up for.. do you want to use that space for?? or - what on earth would be the purpose :)
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• 1483[14:46:22] <jak2000> i want mount the rest of sspace on /var
• 1484[14:46:26] <jak2000> or on /backup
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• 1533[15:04:25] <codfection> !topic
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• 1543[15:09:28] <codfection> !ubuntu
• 1544[15:09:28] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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• 1549[15:13:27] <jak2000> how to see the partitions on /dev/ssda3 ?
• 1550[15:13:31] <jak2000> how to see the partitions on /dev/sda3 ?
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• 1560[15:18:06] <JacobJeweler> jak2000, ´fdisk /dev/sda3´
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• 1563[15:19:38] <johanskizo> how to make debian live, bootable usb?
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• 1569[15:22:07] <jak2000> JacobJeweler thanks
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• 1571[15:24:55] <The_Loko> johanskizo you need this replaced-url
• 1572[15:28:30] <jak2000> !dpkg
• 1573[15:28:31] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
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• 1575[15:28:46] <jak2000> !dpkg sourcess.lisst
• 1576[15:28:51] <jak2000> !dpkg sources.list
• 1577[15:28:51] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 1762[16:59:02] <morf> silly question: i can't find any package that would create /etc/X11 ... how exactly get this directory created in debian? Is it by some deb scripts or whatever?
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• 1769[17:02:35] <th0r> morf, that directory is created by X, the window system. I believe it is the package xorg, which will need about a thousand dependencies. I am not sure if installing xorg will get them all or not
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• 1774[17:03:28] <morf> th0r: so basically during installation is somehow something called that will eventually create everything in /etc/X11
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• 1776[17:03:52] <CtrlC> How can I disable the login report for a user while logging in?
• 1777[17:04:03] <morf> oh man i really don't want to be check those packages ;)
• 1778[17:04:18] <morf> checking... but thanks
• 1779[17:04:21] <CtrlC> I'm interested in disabling the IP report to be more exact.
• 1780[17:05:20] <th0r> morf, it should have been installed when you told the install package you wanted a desktop. Did you tell it to install a server or some such? (been a long time since I installed debian...shows how dependable it is)
• 1781[17:06:15] <morf> th0r: nah just doing automation for desktops got curious, don't really have any real issue with anything just research thanks :)
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• 1792[17:14:10] <jercos> CtrlC: are you looking to hide the IP from other users on the same system, or not record it at all?
• 1793[17:14:27] <CtrlC> jercos, It's a shared ssh.
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• 1796[17:15:14] <jercos> Right, and changing permissions on wtmp would hide the recorded IP from other users, but not root.
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• 1802[17:16:50] <jercos> erm, wtmp and utmp that is. /var/log/wtmp and /var/run/utmp are the usual locations on a modern system?
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• 1815[17:22:57] <mdlpe> **missing
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• 1823[17:27:17] <TomaTom> hi
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• 1825[17:27:27] <SQL> hi
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• 1829[17:27:48] <TomaTom> what's the estimated minimal size for a debian minimal server install ?
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• 1838[17:30:58] <SQL> 2gb or so. Usually an 8gb VM is more than plenty for me
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• 1840[17:31:47] <SQL> maybe 3-4 I don't remember fully right now
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• 1844[17:33:06] <n4dir> TomaTom: replaced-url
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• 1853[17:35:08] <user696969> I installed debian with xfce, now I want to install fvwm but dont know how to start it after
• 1854[17:35:11] <n4dir> Recommended are 2 Gigs, like SQL said: replaced-url
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• 1856[17:36:47] <TomaTom> ok thx SQL and n4dir
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• 1862[17:38:15] <TomTomTosch> user696969: if you use lightdm or any alternative, you can choose the wm in the login screen.
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• 1865[17:39:26] <user696969> TomTomTosch: I installed from the defaultm don't know which is installed
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• 1867[17:39:56] <TomTomTosch> xfce comes with lightdm iirc.
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• 1869[17:40:24] <morf> yes pretty much
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• 1876[17:47:21] <codfection> guys tlp doesn't seem to help much
• 1877[17:47:26] <codfection> is there any alternative to that
• 1878[17:47:33] <codfection> to save battery
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• 1880[17:48:32] <thanatos-inc_> codfection: laptop-mode-tools and also look at the output of powertop
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• 1883[17:49:03] <thanatos-inc_> codfection: also, if you're using a desktop environment, setting power related stuff should be done via the GUI power manager AFAIK
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• 1885[17:49:24] <codfection> I am using WM
• 1886[17:49:25] <codfection> i3
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• 1888[17:49:45] <thanatos-inc_> codfection: then look at the laptop-mode-tools as well as powertop documentation
• 1889[17:49:50] <codfection> thanatos-inc_, so I should remove tlp and put powertop right?
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• 1895[17:50:52] <thanatos-inc_> codfection: tlp will for sure interfere with laptop-mode-tools, yes
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• 1902[17:53:11] <thanatos-inc_> codfection: if you have serious power issues with only a barebones wm, also look into whether you have all the correct drivers (sometimes components need proprietary drivers to get their full potential)
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• 1907[17:54:32] <codfection> thanatos-inc_, sorry I am a bit confused
• 1908[17:54:34] <no_gravity> Hello! On a Debian machine with 3 CPUs, at which load would you guys say the machine is struggling?
• 1909[17:54:41] <codfection> should I use powertop or laptop-mode-tools
• 1910[17:55:07] <no_gravity> codfection: I have good experience with powertop.
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• 1913[17:55:29] <codfection> I see
• 1914[17:55:35] <codfection> does it affect performance?
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• 1920[17:56:58] <no_gravity> codfection: I don't know. I don't need performance.
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• 1922[17:57:20] <no_gravity> Just enjoy that it brings my laptop to 13h of battery time.
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• 1925[17:58:01] <codfection> wow
• 1926[17:58:07] <codfection> 13 h of battery life
• 1927[17:58:12] <codfection> how much it is usually without powertop
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• 1929[17:58:46] <no_gravity> I think 8h or so. But that entirely depends on your default settings.
• 1930[17:58:59] <MrFixIt> you really aren't supposed to run Powertop continuously
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• 1932[17:59:02] <codfection> no_gravity, do you use powertop on auto tune?
• 1933[17:59:21] <MrFixIt> use it to identify the items that you can set by script when you reboot
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• 1935[18:00:03] <no_gravity> codfection: I used to do that. For some reason, I installed the laptop-mode-tools recently. I think while trying to fix my wifi. So now I use those.
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• 1937[18:00:25] <thanatos-inc_> codfection: laptop-mode-tools is a set of tools that manage your power levels, whereas powertop is more a measuring tool that shows you, what syphons power. they can be used together.
• 1938[18:00:40] <codfection> which one is better? (sorry I am confused). powertop or laptop-mode-tools
• 1939[18:01:20] <codfection> I see
• 1940[18:01:44] <codfection> thanatos-inc_, so I shall keep both installed?
• 1941[18:01:45] <thanatos-inc_> codfection: they're not the same thing. please look at their websites or manpages.
• 1942[18:02:00] <codfection> yea I am looking at powertop man page
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• 1944[18:02:23] <codfection> should I put it in autotune?
• 1945[18:02:23] <thanatos-inc_> codfection: also, powertop doesn't do anything automatically, you have to toggle things in the UI
• 1946[18:02:33] <codfection> ahan
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• 1976[18:19:58] <user696969> trying to install fvwm without success, cloned it from github then: "./autogen.sh" and then "make" but nothing is installed :(
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• 1978[18:20:39] <TomTomTosch> fvwm is packaged in debian.
• 1979[18:20:50] <somiaj> user696969: are you running debian? If so what version? Does the 2.6.5 version in the debian repos not suit your needs?
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• 1981[18:21:20] <user696969> somiaj: I was trying the lastest
• 1982[18:21:30] <user696969> somiaj: 2.6.6
• 1983[18:21:59] <user696969> but I'll give fvwm debian package a try
• 1984[18:22:01] <somiaj> user696969: if you trust some random guy on the net, I have a .deb built for amd64 that is the current git (2.6.6 + newer stuff)
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• 1988[18:22:23] <somiaj> user696969: for the most part, you don't get that much difference between the newest in git 2.6.6 and the one in debian 2.6.5 (but there are some improvements)
• 1989[18:22:45] <user696969> somiaj: its not some random guy, its from fvwm team
• 1990[18:22:48] <somiaj> user696969: so choice is yours, compile locally, install the debian deb (suggested by most here) or trust some random guy who has a 2.6.6+ from git deb made.
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• 1993[18:24:05] <somiaj> ls
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• 1998[18:25:03] <somiaj> user696969: fvwmformus.org/fvwm_2.6.6.git07102016_amd64.deb
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• 2000[18:25:37] <somiaj> user696969: I forget if that is the one made for jessie or stretch. Let me double check
• 2001[18:25:55] <user696969> somiaj: installed the debian deb has you sugested
• 2002[18:26:02] <at0m|c> apt install depends will tell =)
• 2003[18:26:07] <user696969> somiaj: its working
• 2004[18:26:18] <user696969> TomTomTosch, somiaj: thanks
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• 2007[18:26:33] <somiaj> user696969: you will get a good idea what fvwm has to offer from the 2.6.5 in the repo.
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• 2017[18:32:42] <jak2000> how to know the verison of debian jessssie? 10.0 or 10.1?
• 2018[18:33:24] <TomTomTosch> cat /etc/debian_version will show 8.6 if you have an updated system.
• 2019[18:33:29] <somiaj> jak2000: debian jessie is version 8.x, where 8.6 is the curret point release.
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• 2023[18:34:54] <jak2000> ahh right
• 2024[18:34:56] <jak2000> thanks
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• 2033[18:38:18] <jak2000> !dpkg sources.list
• 2034[18:38:18] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 2053[18:50:58] <jak2000> how to tesst teh security of my server?
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• 2055[18:51:37] <somiaj> jak2000: what do you mean by test? Or just to double check you are up to date on all the debian security patches?
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• 2059[18:54:28] <jak2000> mmm i want check
• 2060[18:54:33] <jak2000> open ports
• 2061[18:54:38] <jak2000> if any can hack, etc...
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• 2063[18:56:02] <TomTomTosch> replaced-url
• 2064[18:56:24] <TomTomTosch> it's a bit outdated but still has valid points.
• 2065[18:57:30] <Iridos> like "disconnect all internets"
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• 2068[18:58:02] <jak2000> :)
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• 2070[18:58:16] <jak2000> is a valid name in /etc/hostname mydomain.com ?
• 2071[18:58:19] <TomTomTosch> ooooor... "only run services you need" and "don't use your pet's name as password."
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• 2073[18:58:38] <at0m|c> i use my irc nick, actually
• 2074[18:58:42] <at0m|c> err
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• 2076[18:59:41] <Iridos> the name of your dead son is ok, though.
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• 2079[18:59:53] <codfection> chromium keeps asking me to set it as default whenever I start it. how do I set it
• 2080[19:00:03] <codfection> permanently
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• 2082[19:00:27] <Iridos> it never asks me that, ever
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• 2087[19:02:15] <hsociety> Hello!
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• 2098[19:05:15] <winsen> Hi all, I 'd like to reinstall complete Grub. I have the following error message"Partition 4 does not start on physical sector boundary.Partition table entries are not in disk order": replaced-url
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• 2101[19:07:20] <winsen> anybody home?
• 2102[19:08:03] <hsociety> Yes!
• 2103[19:08:42] <cra1g321> winsen, have some patience
• 2104[19:08:47] <winsen> hsociety: hi, any clue about my question?
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• 2106[19:09:16] <winsen> cra1g321: you're right, I thought nobody home.
• 2107[19:09:22] <somiaj> sounds like a bad partition table.
• 2108[19:09:49] <winsen> somiaj: what do you mean?
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• 2114[19:10:41] <somiaj> winsen: meaning your partition table has errors in it and may need to be rebuilt (I don't know how to best fix a partition table)
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• 2117[19:11:07] <hsociety> hello
• 2118[19:11:11] <cra1g321> the 15 "/dev/ram" look weird to me, never seen that before
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• 2132[19:14:29] <winsen> somiaj: ok, maybe someone else could tell us how to fix it. thanks anyxway
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• 2139[19:16:19] <techno2900> Hello, I would like to know how can I change the language of mozilla firefox
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• 2143[19:16:41] <techno2900> I found a language package but this package is not for my version
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• 2145[19:16:51] <techno2900> thank you in advance for your help :)
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• 2156[19:19:06] <TomTomTosch> techno2900: and which firefox version do you have? there are l10n packages for both firefox-esr and firefox release.
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• 2158[19:20:21] <techno2900> TomTomTosch : 45.3.0
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• 2160[19:21:19] <techno2900> I have firefox ESR
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• 2162[19:21:42] <TomTomTosch> techno2900: then you might want to update, 45.4.0 has been pushed by the security team. also firefox-esr-l10n-<your lang> is probably what you are looking for.
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• 2164[19:22:05] <hsociety> O.K go to preferences
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• 2166[19:22:21] <TomTomTosch> techno2900: apt-cache search firefox-esr-l10n and pick the one you need.
• 2167[19:22:21] <techno2900> Yes
• 2168[19:22:30] <hsociety> 1. Preferences 2. Go to content 3. Languages
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• 2170[19:22:53] <techno2900> yes
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• 2172[19:23:04] <hsociety> Do you have it?
• 2173[19:23:06] <awal1> !ops ffggfgf spaming/flooding via pm's
• 2174[19:23:07] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: awal1 complains about: ffggfgf spaming/flooding via pm's
• 2175[19:23:10] <hsociety> techno2900
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• 2178[19:23:27] <techno2900> hsociety : yes ?
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• 2181[19:23:43] <niko> hi
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• 2183[19:24:00] <techno2900> hsociety : I'm in languages
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• 2187[19:24:36] <hsociety> techno2900: 1. Open Firefox ESR 2. Go to Preferences 3. Click on Content 4. Scroll down and read languages en click on choose
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• 2191[19:25:02] <TomTomTosch> that will not change the language of menus in firefox.
• 2192[19:25:17] <user696969> when installing packages should I "su" and then install or should I insert my user into sudoers and install with "sudo apt-get install ..."?
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• 2194[19:25:23] <hsociety> techno2900: 4. Select a language to add
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• 2199[19:25:43] <techno2900> hsociety : okay and after I reboot firefox ?
• 2200[19:25:47] <jelly> niko: exact same ~username@, that one
• 2201[19:26:02] <hsociety> techno2900: ?
• 2202[19:26:09] <hsociety> techno2900: What do you mean?
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• 2204[19:26:30] <hsociety> hsociety:
• 2205[19:26:59] <techno2900> hsocietyAfter : I add a language if I would like to have firefox in french. I add french and after I reboot firefox or not ?
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• 2208[19:27:58] <hsociety> yes i think so
• 2209[19:29:13] <winsen> somiaj: I found the answer here: replaced-url
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• 2211[19:29:36] <winsen> anyway have a good day all
• 2212[19:30:22] <awal1> techno2900, install firefox-l10n-fr for french then choose it in firefox preferences, I guess in extensions section
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• 2215[19:30:45] <somiaj> winsen: that only seems to explain the error Partition table entries are not in disk order., but may not address Partition 4 does not start on physical sector boundary.
• 2216[19:31:03] <techno2900> awal1 : Thank you I downloaded the package but I don't know how can I select this package. Thank you :)
• 2217[19:31:44] <somiaj> winsen: but looks like it could be due to encrypted partitions. Anyways I hope you get it figured out so you can install grub (in the future I find gtp partition tables and efi nicer to deal with over exteneded partitions)
• 2218[19:31:47] <awal1> techno2900, restart firefox and french should appear somewhere in addons
• 2219[19:31:58] <hsociety> do i select you now?
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• 2221[19:32:02] <winsen> somiaj: right but it seems not very important?
• 2222[19:32:03] <hsociety> awal1:
• 2223[19:32:05] <awal1> not in firefox settings, but in addons
• 2224[19:32:08] <hsociety> d
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• 2227[19:32:55] <somiaj> winsen: it could be in your case just warnings. Do you actually get any errors when trying to install grub?
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• 2229[19:33:39] <awal1> techno2900, disable other languages and enable french. you firefox will be all in french
• 2230[19:33:46] <awal1> your ^
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• 2232[19:34:50] <vlt> Hello. From bind9 on Debian 8 I get "validating @0xb53024b0: org SOA: no valid signature found" trying to resolv any .org domain. Any idea what happened here?
• 2233[19:35:14] <techno2900> okay thanks:) I have to go.
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• 2235[19:35:31] <petn-randall> vlt: Looks like you activated DNSSEC.
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• 2237[19:36:57] <vlt> petn-randall: My bind config hasn’t changed in more than a year.
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• 2239[19:37:28] <vlt> petn-randall: I know that doesn’t mean I don’t have dnssec enabled :-D
• 2240[19:37:39] <petn-randall> vlt: Or maybe your clients are trying to resolve DNSSEC entries? Just a guess, haven't looked into the specifics of DNSSEC yet.
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• 2242[19:37:50] <winsen> somiaj: few months ago, I reinstalled the grub and it worked perfectly even with the same error message. second time few days ago I installed the Grub after reinbstalling winserver2008 but my debian system doesn't work . However I had the same error message?
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• 2245[19:38:28] <somiaj> winsen: how did you reinstall grub?
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• 2256[19:41:42] <winsen> somiaj: same way as I did before with the following command line: replaced-url
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• 2259[19:43:22] <somiaj> winsen: looks fine to me, you don't use a seperate /boot partition do you? I don't see what the issue could be.
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• 2262[19:44:28] <quiii> hey
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• 2265[19:45:18] <quiii> I got a question about permissions. From user A I created two files: secret_file (chmod 400 secret_file) and run.sh (chmod 777) which does 'cat secret_file')
• 2266[19:45:28] <quiii> why can't I access secret_file from run.sh on user B?
• 2267[19:45:58] <somiaj> quiii: beucase the script is run as the user who runs it and that user doesn't have premisions on the actual file
• 2268[19:46:19] <somiaj> quiii: you would have to use some setuid or setgid bit on the file so the file runs with the permisions of a user that can access the file.
• 2269[19:46:43] <quiii> somiaj: ok, I also did chmod +s run.sh (from user A)
• 2270[19:46:46] <quiii> and it's the same
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• 2273[19:47:21] <somiaj> quiii: I'm not that familair with details on configuring setuid correctly.
• 2274[19:47:26] <somiaj> quiii: you can also do this with sudo.
• 2275[19:47:37] <quiii> I'd like to understand setuid concept
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• 2281[19:48:16] <quiii> as far as I read, setuid should work that way
• 2282[19:48:21] <petn-randall> quiii: If you put the setuid bit on a executable file that is world-writeable, you'll create a security problem, as anyone could add commands to that file.
• 2283[19:48:41] <quiii> petn-randall: yeah, I fully realized about that. I just wanna understand how setuid works
• 2284[19:48:44] <petn-randall> quiii: What problem are you trying to solve? There may be a better way to do it.
• 2285[19:48:46] <quiii> I wont do that on production ;]
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• 2287[19:49:04] <quiii> petn-randall: my problem is that I'm not understand how setuid exactly works
• 2288[19:49:11] <quiii> so I created two files
• 2289[19:49:17] <quiii> secret_file (chmod 400)
• 2290[19:49:26] <winsen> somiaj: I am not quiet sure but logically since I it worked last time that mean I didn't.
• 2291[19:49:33] <quiii> and run.sh (which cat's secret_file) with chmod +s run.sh ad chmod 777 run.sh
• 2292[19:49:43] <quiii> then from user B I'm running run.sh
• 2293[19:49:51] <quiii> and it still doesn't have access to secret_file
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• 2295[19:49:58] <winsen> somiaj: ?
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• 2298[19:50:19] <cesurasean> hi
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• 2300[19:50:21] <somiaj> quiii: unsure here, but maybe the script is running as the correct user, but when the script runs cat, it forks the process cat isn't being run with correct permsisons. Is the error from cat: permision denied?
• 2301[19:50:23] <petn-randall> quiii: Set UID bit will, if you can execute that program, tell the kernel to set the UID to that of the owner, and then run the program. There are almost always better ways to accomplish the same thing, setuid has a long history of security problems, especially on scripts.
• 2302[19:50:33] <cesurasean> is there way to prompt for static ip on my box instead of have to cancel dhcp
• 2303[19:50:42] <cesurasean> can someone raise this as feature request for me
• 2304[19:50:57] <somiaj> winsen: I agree, I don't see what is different this time.
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• 2306[19:51:00] <winsen> somiaj: how can I know if I separated boot partition or not by ommand line?
• 2307[19:51:10] <petn-randall> cesurasean: Just configure the interface statically then.
• 2308[19:51:15] <quiii> petn-randall: so how my permissions should work on run.sh? (-rwsrwsrwx) ?
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• 2311[19:51:32] <somiaj> winsen: you would have known when you created it. Most likely you don't have one since it worked fine in the past and I didn't specifically see one in your prtition table.
• 2312[19:51:37] <codfection> tlp or powertop?
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• 2314[19:52:25] <petn-randall> quiii: What error do you get?
• 2315[19:52:35] <petn-randall> quiii: Again, worldwriteable and setuid is a security problem.
• 2316[19:52:47] <quiii> cat: secret_file: Permission denied
• 2317[19:52:52] <winsen> somiaj: I think so. I just wanted to know to be quiet sure.
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• 2319[19:53:07] <winsen> It's always good to know
• 2320[19:53:14] <somiaj> quiii: replaced-url
• 2321[19:53:16] <quiii> petn-randall: yes, I know that it's security issue. I just did this (stupid and unsecure) example, 'cos I wanna understand how setuid works
• 2322[19:53:23] <somiaj> winsen: it would be an actual parition in your partiiton table you could find if you had one.
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• 2325[19:53:57] <quiii> somiaj: hmm, looks it could be that issue
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• 2327[19:54:15] <winsen> somiaj: is there any command line that could tell you preciselly if you have boot partition or not?
• 2328[19:54:46] <winsen> *isn't
• 2329[19:55:01] <quiii> somiaj: hmm, so it won't work, 'cos /bin/bash is not setuid'd right?
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• 2331[19:56:29] <petn-randall> quiii: No ... read the link.
• 2332[19:56:32] <winsen> somiaj: So now that I explained all situation, I wonder why it doesn't work now. I 'll try again. we'll see.
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• 2334[19:57:14] <quiii> it says: "Due to the increased likelihood of security flaws, many operating systems ignore the setuid attribute when applied to executable shell scripts."
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• 2336[19:57:29] <petn-randall> quiii: Also, I would recommend playing around with a VM instead of your desktop system. You can easily create a lot of problems if you slap setuid bits on random executables, like bash.
• 2337[19:57:43] <quiii> petn-randall: yeah, I'm on virtualbox ;)
• 2338[19:58:09] <petn-randall> quiii: If you put setuid on bash. EVERY shell script will run setuid (presumably) root. That'll likely break a lot of things.
• 2339[19:58:33] <quiii> so that everyone could gain root access?
• 2340[19:58:53] <somiaj> quiii: seems the kernel just ignores the bit when there is a #!/foo line at the start (i.e. a script)
• 2341[19:58:53] <petn-randall> quiii: Pretty much, yeah.
• 2342[19:59:34] <somiaj> quiii: but yes that seems to be what is going on, the script vs the intrupriter and what gets the permisions.
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• 2351[20:02:00] <quiii> ok, i did some examples on C programs and it works as I thought :)
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• 2361[20:04:04] <winsen> does anyone know why I had thi error ? root@ubuntu:/# sudo umount /mnt/dev
• 2362[20:04:04] <winsen> bash: sudo: command not found
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• 2364[20:04:24] <somiaj> winsen: sudo isn't isntalled, but you are root, so you don't need to also run sudo
• 2365[20:04:27] <winsen> somiaj: any clue?
• 2366[20:04:28] <quiii> but I don't get it then, what's the difference between u+s and a+s ?
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• 2368[20:04:53] <winsen> somiaj: right. sorry stupid question
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• 2371[20:05:22] <quiii> hmm it looks that there isn't something like a+s
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• 2374[20:05:38] <quiii> I can only set s for owner or group, right?
• 2375[20:05:43] <somiaj> quiii: just like any permsisions you can set thies for owner, group or everyone.
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• 2378[20:06:00] <somiaj> quiii: oh duh. Yea you can only do onwer or group (setuid vs setgid)
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• 2380[20:06:25] <quiii> so setuid works on everyone, and sergid works only for users in the same group ?
• 2381[20:06:48] <petn-randall> quiii: No, setgid sets the group id.
• 2382[20:06:49] <somiaj> quiii: in essence every executable is already setuid a (meaning it runs as the permisions of the person who runs it)
• 2383[20:07:08] <petn-randall> quiii: It's all in the man page of chmod.
• 2384[20:07:09] <winsen> somiaj: how do you type that when you're root?
• 2385[20:07:22] <somiaj> winsen: just don't include the 'sudo' line, just umount ...
• 2386[20:07:36] <quiii> petn-randall: yeah, I'm not exactly understand man for that (that's why I'm doing some example to understand it better)
• 2387[20:08:04] <winsen> somiaj: root@ubuntu:/# umount /mnt/dev
• 2388[20:08:04] <winsen> umount: /mnt/dev: mountpoint not found
• 2389[20:08:04] <winsen> root@ubuntu:/#
• 2390[20:08:20] <somiaj> winsen: are you sitll inside the chroot?
• 2391[20:08:22] <at0m|c> #ubuntu
• 2392[20:08:29] <winsen> yes
• 2393[20:08:44] <winsen> somiaj: yes
• 2394[20:08:44] <somiaj> winsen: then /mnt/dev is only /dev when inside the chroot
• 2395[20:08:47] <quiii> so if user A creates executable with setuid, then everyone can run it with the permissions of user A? When he sets setgid, then everyone can run it with the permissions of group, which user A belong?
• 2396[20:08:52] <somiaj> winsen: maybe you just need to 'exit' the chroot first
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• 2398[20:09:34] <winsen> somiaj: right that's what I did last time. thanks
• 2399[20:09:42] <somiaj> quiii: the group the file is owned by
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• 2401[20:10:02] <quiii> ok, thanks
• 2402[20:10:18] <winsen> somiaj: but why it doesn't work as a root?
• 2403[20:10:26] <quiii> and +s is only for files? If I wanna use sticky bit for directories, I should use flag t ?
• 2404[20:10:27] <somiaj> winsen: why doesn't what work as root?
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• 2407[20:10:44] <somiaj> quiii: sticky bit is not the same as setuid or setgid
• 2408[20:10:58] <quiii> ohh? so what's the difference then?
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• 2411[20:11:35] <somiaj> quiii: sticky bit is for directories and makes it so if you have a directory in which mutliple users can write to becaues they are in the same group, they can't delete files owned by other users
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• 2413[20:11:57] <quiii> ohh, ok
• 2414[20:12:10] <SuperTramp83> I warn you, this is a very stupid qstn ..^^ Is there a way to change the apt font color, precisely the orange one when you apt update, for it is barely visible with my terminal color?
• 2415[20:12:35] <winsen> somiaj: I wonder why the command line doesn't work as a root?
• 2416[20:12:37] <somiaj> SuperTramp83: you can change the color pallet of the terminal to make the organe more visable.
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• 2419[20:13:26] <SuperTramp83> he he somiaj, hod did it not occur to me... :)
• 2420[20:13:51] <SuperTramp83> trouble is I don't want to change my terminal color.. It's great
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• 2422[20:14:14] <somiaj> winsen: you are wondering why 'sudo blah' gave you an error? sudo is a program that says run the next things I type as root. When you are root, you don't need this program to run this as root since well you are already root
• 2423[20:14:50] <somiaj> winsen: now this doesn't explain the error. The error was because for some reason you did not have sudo installed in the chroot. So the error was because sudo was not installed it seemed. But when you are already root you do not need sudo
• 2424[20:15:04] <somiaj> SuperTramp83: you can just change the orange part of the color. Though I'd have to look up how to do this.
• 2425[20:15:16] <winsen> somiaj: I know that. but why it doesnt work without sudo as a root?
• 2426[20:15:25] <somiaj> SuperTramp83: terminals have 16 colors, you can basically set what each one is.
• 2427[20:15:34] <SuperTramp83> yes, somiaj, just the orange of apt
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• 2429[20:16:20] <somiaj> SuperTramp83: well any program that uses that color will produce the same orange. I think it would be easier to change the orange in your pallet over modifying which colors apt says to use. You might be able to give apt a flag to use no colors.
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• 2431[20:16:24] <petn-randall> SuperTramp83: Last time I checked on stable, the colour were monochrome. Which release are you running?
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• 2433[20:16:36] <winsen> somiaj: Even though it doesn't work? "<somiaj> winsen: then /mnt/dev is only /dev when inside the chroot"
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• 2437[20:17:08] <SuperTramp83> petn-randall: Debian stable
• 2438[20:17:12] <somiaj> winsen: when you chroot into a directory, it sets root (/) to be the directory you chrooted in.
• 2439[20:17:25] <SuperTramp83> 1.0.9.8.3
• 2440[20:17:36] <somiaj> winsen: so if you chroot /mnt that means while inside the chroot /mnt/foo is really located at /foo
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• 2443[20:18:40] <SuperTramp83> somiaj: truth be told I like the colors (I like the green one of apt) , it's just the orange one that is too dark :(
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• 2446[20:19:00] <SuperTramp83> somiaj: I'd prefer monochrome, how do I set it to be monochrome?
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• 2448[20:19:39] <somiaj> SuperTramp83: I am not use to it being colored, so not sure where this setting is at.
• 2449[20:19:50] <somiaj> SuperTramp83: but if you like the colors, what terminal are you using?
• 2450[20:19:50] <quiii> ok, thanks for explaination!
• 2451[20:19:52] <quiii> have a good night!
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• 2457[20:20:42] <SuperTramp83> somiaj: xfce4-terminal
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• 2462[20:23:04] <rubidious> Hello. I'm trying to find the php-fpm executable that should be installed by php7.0-fpm. For some reason I can't seem to find it.
• 2463[20:23:33] <at0m|c> ,v php7.0-fpm
• 2464[20:23:34] <judd> Package: php7.0-fpm on amd64 -- stretch: 7.0.11-1; sid: 7.0.12-1
• 2465[20:24:02] <cra1g321> usr/sbin/php-fpm7.0
• 2466[20:24:06] <cra1g321> replaced-url
• 2467[20:24:18] <winsen> somiaj: I know that thanks. It's not my question.
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• 2471[20:24:59] <winsen> somiaj: do you know if any way, to save configuration permanently within ubuntu live USB drive?
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• 2473[20:25:29] <somiaj> SuperTramp83: my thought was something like replaced-url
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• 2476[20:25:44] <somiaj> SuperTramp83: but I'm also not use to apt producing color so unsure where or how to configure apt specfically
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• 2480[20:26:05] <rubidious> cra1g321: thaaaaanks, for some reason my locate didn't find this
• 2481[20:26:17] <SuperTramp83> somiaj: thank you for the info
• 2482[20:26:43] <somiaj> winsen: Saving changes on a live system is usually refered to as persistents which saves info as you make changes to be loaded next boot. You should ask the ubuntu comunity how to do this for their live images.
• 2483[20:27:02] <Hobbes`> rubidious if you just installed it locate wouldn't find it
• 2484[20:27:08] <somiaj> winsen: and I must not have understood your question about 'what doesn't work as root'.
• 2485[20:27:18] <rubidious> yeah I had updatedb already, but I must have used the wrong terms
• 2486[20:27:25] <rubidious> also which was failing
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• 2488[20:27:35] <Hobbes`> rubidious use find or dpkg -L
• 2489[20:27:37] <rubidious> because I wasn't looking for php-fpm7.0, rather php-fpm
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• 2491[20:28:17] <rubidious> cool I didn't know of -L
• 2492[20:28:19] <rubidious> thanks
• 2493[20:28:45] <winsen> somiaj: remember you said"<somiaj> winsen: then /mnt/dev is only /dev when inside the chroot" my question is why I can not run that command line as a root?
• 2494[20:28:49] <cra1g321> rubidious, i would expect things to be php7-fpm like php5 was, but seems its 7.0 not just 7 , curious to know why it's named like that
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• 2496[20:29:43] <rubidious> maybe they're assuming there are more breaking changes coming in the 7.x line, idk
• 2497[20:29:46] <rubidious> it is strange
• 2498[20:29:47] <winsen> somiaj: I have to go. thank you again for all.
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• 2503[20:33:06] <winsen> have a good day all
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• 2506[20:34:39] <somiaj> winsen: that was not a command line.
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• 2547[20:56:17] <binaryc> Unable to access phpmyadmin. Apache log Failed opening required '/usr/share/php/php-gettext/gettext.inc' (include_path='.') Failed opening required '/usr/share/php/php-gettext/gettext.inc' (include_path='.') . See that php-gettext is symlinked to ../php-php-gettext/ . My issue looks similar to replaced-url
• 2548[20:56:18] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2549[20:56:23] <binaryc> at 7.0.11
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• 2578[21:07:11] <winsen> be back
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• 2580[21:07:40] <winsen> somiaj: are you still there?
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• 2603[21:14:27] <somiaj> winsen: kinda, but if you have a question just ask the channel.
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• 2617[21:20:59] <nmschulte> When installing Jessie, if I choose to install "Debian desktop environment", but not any of the specific DEs below (GNOME, Xfce, KDE, Cinnamon, MATE, LXDE), what will it do?
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• 2622[21:22:45] <TomTomTosch> nmschulte: it will install task-gnome-desktop as it is the first in the list of alternative recommendations.
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• 2627[21:23:32] <winsen> somiaj: Iam asking you because we can go faster If ask you directly. remeber when i whowed you how I did to reinstall the grub. I think I installed the grub on the wrong partition.replaced-url
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• 2636[21:24:48] <winsen> somiaj: remember that I have multiple boot. and sda partition is ntfs, so this could not be the right partition, right?
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• 2638[21:25:03] <somiaj> winsen: in most cases you want /dev/sda (the mbr of your disk)
• 2639[21:25:20] <jak2000> what is the paramter for change the time of sudo ask me a password?
• 2640[21:25:24] <somiaj> winsen: sda is not ntfs, sda is the mbr record on the disk (as opposed to an mbr record on each partition)
• 2641[21:25:27] <pingfloyd> nmschulte: the downside of the tasksel is it will install the whole kit and kaboodle of the DE and mark it all as manually installed.
• 2642[21:25:47] <pingfloyd> nmschulte: it's cleaner to install the needed meta-packages for the DE you want instead
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• 2644[21:26:04] <somiaj> jak2000: replaced-url
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• 2646[21:26:15] <winsen> somiaj: do you mean it's the right partition where I should Install the grub?
• 2647[21:26:17] <Hobbes`> jak2000 remove NOPASSWD from the appropriate line in /etc/sudoers
• 2648[21:26:55] <somiaj> winsen: yes, /dev/sda is where you want to install grub. Then you want to tell your firmware to boot from the harddrive that is sda
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• 2650[21:27:29] <winsen> somiaj: that's what I did twice but it doesn't work?
• 2651[21:28:08] <jak2000> done thanks
• 2652[21:28:12] <somiaj> winsen: I'm unsure what the problem is and why it isn't working. Lets be more detailed what is not working, so when you boot how far does it get. Do you see the grub screen to select what to boot?
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• 2656[21:28:39] <Hobbes`> winsen check if your BIOS has MBR protection or something like that.
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• 2661[21:29:24] <pingfloyd> winsen: not to the partition, to the mbr
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• 2663[21:30:24] <winsen> Hobbes`: as I said to our friend somiaj, I already installed the Grub with the same machine few months ago and it perfectly working.
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• 2667[21:31:02] <winsen> pingfloyd>: I am sorry, I don't get you
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• 2671[21:31:51] <winsen> pingfloyd: mbr is on sda right?
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• 2679[21:33:27] <pingfloyd> winsen: on the drive, not the partition
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• 2684[21:34:10] <pingfloyd> winsen: the first sector of the hard drive outside of the partitions
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• 2695[21:39:01] <winsen> pingfloyd: I see, but is it the right one[sda] where i would install the Grub, that is my question?
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• 2697[21:39:57] <nmschulte> TomTomTosch: thanks
• 2698[21:41:39] <winsen> does anyone now how can I see/know if I have boot partition?
• 2699[21:42:00] <teraflops> yes
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• 2702[21:42:41] <somiaj> winsen: looking at your parittion table it does not appear you have one. I twould be one of the linux partitions and most wouldn't put 2Gigs or more for boot.
• 2703[21:42:46] <nmschulte> what do you mean by "boot partition"? a partition on a physical block device containing a fs mounted at /boot at runtime?
• 2704[21:43:13] <winsen> somiaj: how do you know>?
• 2705[21:43:45] <somiaj> winsen: I looked at your partition table and assumed that anything automatically setting up a /boot partition woudln't make it over a gig (which is what all your partition sizes are)
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• 2707[21:44:08] <somiaj> winsen: you could check each partition manually if you want, or check /etc/fstab in the root partition of your isntall
• 2708[21:44:22] <DexterF> hi. how can I monitor the amount of data written to a disk drive, possibly by process?
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• 2710[21:44:48] <nmschulte> DexterF: atop will show that information, I believe.
• 2711[21:45:14] <nmschulte> RDDSK WRDSK columns, values in KB
• 2712[21:45:17] <winsen> somiaj: so are you sure that Grub would be installed on sda rather than other partition?
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• 2714[21:45:20] <SwedeMike> DexterF: iotop
• 2715[21:45:25] <duelle> Hi, I am running a Debian Jessie LXC container that did not have systemd installed by default. What is the recommended way to start an application at boot time? Install systemd or what would be the way to go?
• 2716[21:45:27] <SwedeMike> DexterF: iostat -x 5
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• 2718[21:45:48] <somiaj> winsen: grub is installed on the mbr of the disk so that seems fine. Just make sure your firmware is configured to boot from the correct disk.
• 2719[21:45:53] <nmschulte> duelle: it depends on the application; is it a user application?
• 2720[21:46:07] <duelle> nmschulte: Yes, a teamspeak server
• 2721[21:46:07] <nmschulte> duelle: if it's a "system application", systemd seems like the right place
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• 2723[21:46:53] <nmschulte> you want it to start like e.g. apache or nginx start, w/ the puter? (service available without a seated user logged in)
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• 2725[21:47:33] <somiaj> nmschulte: then write a file for the init system you are using, if sysvinit use the old /etc/init.d/ scripts. I think teamspeak has some of thes already made you can find.
• 2726[21:47:55] <duelle> nmschulte: Yes, that would be nice. It's a container inside a dedicated server which starts at boot time of the host server. When the LXC container starts up, the teamspeak server should also be started.
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• 2728[21:48:38] <DexterF> nmschulte, SwedeMike : I meant more like: start at a certain time, stop somewhere, then have statistics
• 2729[21:48:52] <duelle> somiaj nmschulte I just installed systemd inside it and set it up with a systemd service file. Just wanted to know whether it is the recommended way.
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• 2731[21:49:11] <winsen> somiaj: preplaced-url
• 2732[21:49:24] <somiaj> duelle: depends on your setup which init system is prefered.
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• 2735[21:49:35] <winsen> somiaj: replaced-url
• 2736[21:49:47] <somiaj> winsen: cat /etc/fstab (but do this form inside the chroot)
• 2737[21:49:55] <duelle> somiaj: I just knew the 'default' debian setup where systemd is included and was wondering why it isn't inside the LXC container.
• 2738[21:50:28] <KingsQuest> hi everyone
• 2739[21:50:31] <winsen> somiaj: that's what I did, as yu can see I am under root.
• 2740[21:50:37] <somiaj> duelle: might be due to how lxc containers on that system are setup. It might not install by default just because being a container using systemd may also require systemd support on the host.
• 2741[21:50:47] <somiaj> winsen: no the command you ran was /etc/fstab, that is not the same as cat /etc/fstab
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• 2747[21:51:40] <nmschulte> idk why systemd isn't in the container either, but you've got the right idea duelle, that's what I would recommend.
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• 2750[21:52:32] <nmschulte> with QEMU/virt-manager, I setup a VM but had to choose VNC instead of Spice to get the console window to work (missing SpiceClientGtk w/ Spice). Anyway, w/ VNC, how do I "unhook" the mouse/keyboard, so I can excape the guest?
• 2751[21:53:10] <duelle> somiaj, nmschulte: At least for me it works fine. Just wanted to make sure I did not overlook something much more simple ;). Good day to you.
• 2752[21:53:14] <winsen> somiaj: replaced-url
• 2753[21:54:02] <nmschulte> duelle: if systemd wasn't there as the init system, what was? SysV? Which do you prefer? It would seem you prefer systemd, given your comments here.
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• 2756[21:54:41] <nmschulte> Regerdless, use the one you prefer, and then use it to start TS at boot -- that's the recommended way I would say given what you've told us you're trying to accomplish.
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• 2759[21:54:54] <nmschulte> glad you got it workiing!
• 2760[21:55:29] <duelle> nmschulte: Let's say I expected systemd as I knew it from the recent debian versions. I think sysv was installed by default, though a /lib/systemd/.. folder was present too.
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• 2763[21:55:45] <duelle> That's why I was confused a little
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• 2767[21:57:04] <winsen> somiaj: how can I now if firmware is configured? and why firmware would change from the last time I did the same operation?
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• 2770[21:57:47] <nmschulte> duelle: it must be something w/ how LXC works. I've only used LXC indirectly via Docker, and I've never looked at the init system inside.
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• 2774[21:58:28] <somiaj> winsen: firmware is your bios/efi of your mobo, boot into your settings and check which drive your computer is configured to boot from.
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• 2776[21:59:22] <duelle> nmschulte: As it works for now having systemd installed and using a systemd service file thats fine for now ;).
• 2777[21:59:32] <nmschulte> Aha! It's CTRL_L and ALT_L, to release mouse pointer in virt-manager/console.
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• 2782[22:00:14] <nmschulte> duelle: did you simply: `$ sudo aptitude install systemd; vim /etc/...; ...` to change the init system to systemd?
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• 2785[22:01:43] <duelle> nmschulte: I installed systemd-sysv and put a service file in /lib/systemd/system/multi-user.wants/
• 2786[22:02:41] <duelle> I could not (and did not need to) enable the service. It started on boot by default.
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• 2789[22:03:08] <nmschulte> sweet!
• 2790[22:03:25] <nmschulte> multi-user.wants -- can you explain this? "multi-user" and "wants" mean?
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• 2792[22:03:39] <winsen> somiaj: boot on bios
• 2793[22:04:09] <winsen> somiaj: mobo?
• 2794[22:04:25] <duelle> I guess that it is the default folder of services that are executed when booting into multi-user mode.
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• 2824[22:16:02] <enoch85> hey guys, how can I cat a file into another file on line 5?
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• 2826[22:16:37] <somiaj> enoch85: so you want to insert a file at line 5 ?
• 2827[22:16:49] <teraflops> the content?
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• 2829[22:17:03] <somiaj> enoch85: or only keep the header of your original file (first 5 lines) and insert your file for the rest of it
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• 2845[22:24:30] <enoch85> somiaj: I want to insert several lines in a Vhost config file
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• 2848[22:24:38] <enoch85> sec will make a pastebin
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• 2854[22:25:37] <enoch85> I want to insert this text: replaced-url
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• 2857[22:26:12] <enoch85> I did this so far but it fails: replaced-url
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• 2859[22:26:31] <Schrostfutz> Hi, I try to define a polkit rule on my debian 8 system. However the directory where I usually put the rules did not exist (/etc/polkit-1/rules.d) and after creating it and placing rules there they do not get executed. Where do the belong on a debian system?
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• 2861[22:26:58] <enoch85> teraflops: --^
• 2862[22:27:12] <enoch85> please ignore spreedme_http.conf
• 2863[22:27:20] <enoch85> and spreedme_ssl.conf
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• 2865[22:27:37] <winsen> somiaj: is sda1=sda?
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• 2867[22:27:39] <somiaj> enoch85: sed or some other tool may be better than cat.
• 2868[22:27:52] <enoch85> somiaj: any suggestion?
• 2869[22:27:53] <somiaj> winsen: no sda1 = first partition, sda = whole drive. YOu want to install grub on the whole drive like you have done
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• 2871[22:28:10] <somiaj> enoch85: not sure what is best, otherwise you have to use head/tail/cat combined to get the stuff in the correct order.
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• 2873[22:28:32] <enoch85> somiaj: perfect, can you make a pastebin?
• 2874[22:28:36] <enoch85> please
• 2875[22:28:59] <somiaj> enoch85: others who may do this more often than I might have some useful suggestion for inserting text. but with head you can say show only the top 5 lines, then show all but the top 5 lines. After that string it together with cat.
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• 2879[22:29:26] <somiaj> enoch85: also my script would be clunky and require tmp files, unsure how to do this all in memeory.
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• 2882[22:30:01] <enoch85> somiaj: Ok, thanks anyway
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• 2886[22:30:58] <somiaj> winsen: maybe also run update-grub if you haven't ran that to ensure the boot info is correct (there is a difference between installing it and updating it)
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• 2912[22:42:43] <jmcnaught> enoch85: which file are you trying to insert this into? there's probably a better way
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• 2916[22:43:52] <enoch85> jmcnaught: I'm trying to insert the content of $INFILE into $ACTIVE_VHOST_SSL on line 5 (or after the DocumentRoot statement"
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• 2920[22:44:44] <teraflops> enoch85: sed, head, tail, cut… maybe bash is better place for asking
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• 2922[22:45:11] <enoch85> asked but as usual nobody answers
• 2923[22:45:26] <babilen> enoch85: Do you do things like that often?
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• 2927[22:45:58] <enoch85> replaced-url
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• 2930[22:46:13] <enoch85> babilen: what do you mean? write scripts?
• 2931[22:46:29] <babilen> No, configure systems and services programmatically
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• 2934[22:47:30] <enoch85> babilen: I try to at least
• 2935[22:47:43] <jmcnaught> enoch85: do the target systems typically have more than one virtual host? an alternative is making a conf in /etc/apache2/conf-available (which would apply to all vhosts). Anyways, if you configure systems automatically like this, i recommend switching from bash to something like Ansible or Puppet (a tool designed for this job)
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• 2938[22:48:32] <enoch85> jmcnaught: My thought was to get one vhost working and then just repeat the code with a new variable
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• 2945[22:49:49] <jmcnaught> enoch85: if you need to do this for all virtualhosts, do it in a conf in conf-available. See for example how web applications packaged by Debian typically do this (phpmyadmin for instance)
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• 2947[22:50:35] <babilen> enoch85: Was about to recommend Ansible or Saltstack .. might be worth investing your time into learning one of these tools
• 2948[22:50:55] <enoch85> looking into puppet now
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• 2950[22:51:09] <enoch85> I've written the scripts for the nextcloud VM
• 2951[22:51:14] <babilen> I'd strongly recommend Ansible or Saltstack over puppet
• 2952[22:51:18] <enoch85> so I have some knowledge
• 2953[22:51:46] <jmcnaught> enoch85: using include directives in the virtual host file is another option (to pull in a separate file instead of trying to script editing the virtuahost file)
• 2954[22:52:01] <enoch85> replaced-url
• 2955[22:52:14] <jmcnaught> but yeah, ansible and saltstack are much better suited for this type of work than bash scripts
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• 2958[22:53:36] <jmcnaught> enoch85: replaced-url
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• 2963[22:54:34] <enoch85> jmcnaught: instead of using 192.168.1.1 as I don't know if the user has a dns or not
• 2964[22:54:35] <prussian> because usually they "jus wer"
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• 2966[22:54:42] <enoch85> just work, yes
• 2967[22:54:53] <prussian> then let netman find the name servers
• 2968[22:54:58] <prussian> or are you just doing ifup
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• 2970[22:55:27] <enoch85> I do alot of things in those scripts
• 2971[22:55:34] <enoch85> they have to fit everyones systems
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• 2973[22:55:46] <prussian> >_>
• 2974[22:55:57] <prussian> should probably use ansible then.
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• 2977[22:56:10] <enoch85> so you say... :)
• 2978[22:56:13] <prussian> or some other system admin DSL framework
• 2979[22:56:17] <babilen> Why not use the DNS server that is already configured?
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• 2981[22:56:48] <prussian> that would be ideal. sometimes those dns's suck though.
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• 2986[22:57:56] <jmcnaught> enoch85: i would say if the sysadmin hasn't configured DNS resolution that is outside of the scope of a nextcloud installer script
• 2987[22:58:26] <jmcnaught> and new nameservers definitely shouldn't be added nontransparently
• 2988[22:58:27] <enoch85> most users aren't sysadmins, that's the thing
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• 2990[22:58:48] <enoch85> feel free to make a PR ;)
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• 2993[23:01:52] <jmcnaught> yuck, webmin gets installed too? sorry i probably won't be contributing to this, but my feedback is 1) use ansible or saltstack instead of bash 2) leverage the Debian apache config layout and directives like include 3) only touch stuff directly related to the application, don't add a bunch of other stuff.
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• 3000[23:04:44] <enoch85> jmcnaught: yeah, webmin... as most of the users are n00bs they asked for a GUI to handle the server
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• 3003[23:05:00] <enoch85> jmcnaught: thanks for your advice though
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• 3005[23:05:13] <jmcnaught> enoch85: also it looks like this script errors out if it's not ubuntu 16.04 so you should be in #ubuntu-server, this channel only support Debian
• 3006[23:05:52] <enoch85> jmcnaught: you debian guys tends to answer, and ubuntu is debian based. but OK.
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• 3009[23:06:23] <jmcnaught> enoch85: it's kinda rude to mislead Debian volunteers into providing Ubuntu support
• 3010[23:06:34] <enoch85> jmcnaught: sorry then
• 3011[23:06:38] <enoch85> not my intention
• 3012[23:06:47] <enoch85> to be rude I mean
• 3013[23:07:18] <missmbob> but the misleading thing was. heh
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• 3018[23:09:16] <babilen> ...
• 3019[23:09:23] <babilen> enoch85: Seriously, don't do that
• 3020[23:09:41] <enoch85> you don't like ububtu?
• 3021[23:09:55] <babilen> dpkg: based on debian
• 3022[23:09:55] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 3023[23:10:04] <missmbob> it's offtopic. that simple
• 3024[23:10:14] <enoch85> okay :/
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• 3029[23:13:50] <prussian> meh
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• 3047[23:22:23] <winsen__> somiaj: anyway thank. good night all
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• 3110[23:57:22] <i11iga1Code> is raspbian offtopic here?
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• 3114[23:57:53] <missmbob> correct.
• 3115[23:58:17] <missmbob> !tell i11iga1Code about raspbian
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