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3[00:00:40] <karlpinc> ussie: FYI, I like the syntatic-sugar
that ferm brings to writing firewall rules. You still need to be
able to understand and read iptables, but you write ferm rules which
are a lot more clear and concise.
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8[00:01:57] <ussie> <karlpinc> well I understand it is
not easy to write rules and thats why I use only new rules at once
;)
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9[00:02:01] <SerajewelKS> my tables are usually
script-generated anyway so there's a decent amount of
interwoven bash with the rules
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11[00:02:19] <SerajewelKS> (my scripts generate output that can
be piped to iptables-restore)
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13[00:02:36] <AK_> SerajewelKS: Thanks, I'll try
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22[00:06:28] <ussie> here is iptables nvL ->
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25[00:07:24] <leibniz> dsf
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30[00:08:33] <ussie> i thought that default policy drops if no
rule matches, but i use root account and it is dropping me :|
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40[00:17:30] <Kobaz> what's the command to remove
autoinstalled packages
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46[00:21:34] <SerajewelKS> Kobaz: apt autoremove
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54[00:25:34] <xdruppi> is it possible to see if a package can
be a dependency of another package? in my case i want to check if
firmware-realtek can depend on other package
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58[00:27:57] <Kobaz> apt-cache depends
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59[00:28:04] <AK_> SerajewelKS:
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61[00:28:54] <AK_> SerajewelKS: it won't work I just
realized.
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64[00:30:00] <pddalm> or just "apt depends", tested
it now to see if it worked
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66[00:30:30] <AK_> I use mod+i to show/hide kitten. so if its
hidden and I press keybinds, it will kill hidden one and come up
with new one?
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69[00:35:01] <AK_> oh yeah, if pid exists, then show kitten, if
not launch kitten and show it?
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71[00:35:39] <somiaj> What wm is being used for this, sometimes
you can check if a window exists by checking againts its name, or
maybe use xprop
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74[00:36:14] <AK_> somiaj: that would be great if you explain,
WM is i3
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76[00:37:05] <somiaj> xdruppi: there are various tools to
search for dependencies. apt-rdepends can search though
dependencies, also aptitude search is very powerful. But if you want
to know what packages firmware-realtek depends on directly, apt show
firmware-realtek will list its depends. If you want to check if
something depends down the line, apt-rdepends can list the depends
of every dependent package listing them all.
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78[00:38:08] <AK_> I had achieved it in dwm when I was on dwm.
I think the repo I had is
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79[00:38:19] <xdruppi> somiaj: i got some answers, thanks, also
i want to know what packages could depend on THAT package, i know
firmware-realtek doesn't depend on anything, but can something
depend on it?
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81[00:39:24] <somiaj> I only nkow how to do it in fvwm off
hand, but seems with i3 you have to use the shell, but found this in
google: exec [ $(ps h -C firefox | wc -l) = 0 ] && firefox
that checkes that there is no program named firefox, then launches
firefox.
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83[00:39:51] <somiaj> But I'm not seeing how to check if a
window is shown/hidden in i3
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84[00:40:12] <SerajewelKS> AK_: it would only kill it if you
write the script to kill it
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85[00:40:20] <AK_> somiaj: lemme check it.
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86[00:40:22] <SerajewelKS> AK_: you can have the script do
whatever you want when it finds the pid is present
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88[00:40:29] <somiaj> google seems to suggest you can use
xdotool to check if it is hidden or not in a shell and act
accordinly
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90[00:41:10] <SerajewelKS> ^ though note the pid in your script
is the pid of the shell and not the terminal
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93[00:41:45] <SerajewelKS> so instead you may want to
background the terminal, write the shell's pid ($?) into the
pidfile, then foreground the terminal (fg) so that it blocks
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96[00:42:29] <SerajewelKS> trap exit to remove the pidfile,
then when the script starts and the pidfile is there, you have the
pid of the actual terminal and you may be able to use that with
various X tools to then determine the X window ID, etc.
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97[00:42:33] <A|an> What is the ./confugure attribute that one
can include during installation that facilitates later removal of
the package?
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98[00:42:42] <A|an> (or did i dream it)
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100[00:42:53] <SerajewelKS> A|an: personally i use
--prefix=/opt/$programname
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102[00:43:01] <SerajewelKS> A|an: then i can just rm -fr
/opt/$programname later
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104[00:43:27] <somiaj> A|an: if one still has the source they
insatlled from with 'make install' some can be uninstalled
by running 'make uninstall'
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105[00:43:33] <SerajewelKS> A|an: there's also
checkinstall, which will monitor a "make install" run and
build a shim package that will rm all of those files on removal
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106[00:43:35] <A|an> So you simply use ./configure initialy?
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107[00:43:37] <somiaj> A|an: though gnu stow or check-install
maybe more useful
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108[00:43:39] <somiaj> !stop
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109[00:43:39] <dpkg> Collaborate. Listen.
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110[00:43:44] <somiaj> !stow
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111[00:43:44] <dpkg> methinks stow is a nifty program used to
manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate,
so you can install and remove them without playing the "which
program does that file belong to" game; ask me about <stow
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112[00:44:12] <A|an> smoniaj: yes, that's what I vaguely
recalled
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117[00:45:05] <A|an> yes! checkinstall, that's what it was
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118[00:45:07] <A|an> thanks
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125[00:50:38] <Jilleenbst2> jimmy
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126[00:50:44] <Jilleenbst2> talk to me jimmy
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128[00:51:38] <AK_> btw I use stow to manage my dotfiles ;-)
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137[00:57:07] <jzelinskie> is there a place where i can
programmatically generate mappings between debian codenames and
their respective release numbers?
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139[00:57:16] <jzelinskie> e.g. squeeze => debian 6
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140[00:57:49] <jzelinskie> I'd rather not maintain the list
manually in code, but generate it dynamically and have the service
sync every so often
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161[01:09:19] <GumShoe> Looking for tips / links to get a
letsencrypt cert for a NATed host.
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162[01:09:29] <A|an> somiaj: To cut to the chase and ask, can
stow be used in conjunction with check install? Or is it one or the
other?
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163[01:10:12] <Kobaz> how would i set the default gnome font?
been playing with stuff like: gconftool-2 --set --type string
/desktop/gnome/interface/monospace_font_name "Inconsolata
18"
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164[01:10:20] <Kobaz> is there a way to 'activate' it
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166[01:10:33] <Kobaz> restarting affected apps doesn't seem
to do anything
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169[01:12:14] <A|an> <K_: Interesting idea. I've
dl'd the stow documentation (I wasn't aware it) and read
through it.
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173[01:18:24] <pddalm> jzelinskie: the codenames are here:
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180[01:21:12] <trysten> I think i broke my networking on my
debian dev server using this docker container:
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187[01:24:19] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: there's nothing
special about NAT, except that you need to forward port 80 in to it
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191[01:24:42] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: all you need to do is make
sure you have public DNS for the cert CN you want pointing to the IP
of the NAT router, then have the NAT forward port 80 in to that host
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193[01:25:01] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: that port forward must be
active every time you need to renew the cert
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195[01:25:26] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: you don't really even
need the port forward, if you can get the challenge on to an HTTP
server on the NAT router itself (or wherever port 80 currently
points)
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199[01:26:30] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: for example if the current
port forward points to a "main" http server and you have
another internal http server that needs it, you can mount the main
server's .well-known in the htdocs root over the network using
sshfs or nfs or something
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201[01:27:04] <trysten> Indeed, GumShoe. certbot runs on my
nat'd apache subdomains with default options. I just run it and
select an online subdomain to enable.
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203[01:28:32] <SerajewelKS> if you have a fleet of http servers
behind nat and you need certs on all, having them all mount the
primary server's .well-known is the way to go, then they can
all stuff challenge responses there
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204[01:28:55] <SerajewelKS> especially if you automount it, then
it's totally hands off and you can renew them in cron without
any interaction
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206[01:29:31] <GumShoe> Just one host. And I want to double it
up on mosquitto and minio
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207[01:31:15] <SerajewelKS> if it's just one http server
then yeah, just forward port 80 to it
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208[01:31:17] <GumShoe> I'm going to use minio as a backend
for restic
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209[01:31:51] <GumShoe> I'm thiking from the last time I
tried comcast blocks 80
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211[01:32:20] <SerajewelKS> i had comcast for awhile and they
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212[01:32:24] <GumShoe> I think there is another way if I put
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that invokes certbot, parses out the challenges, updates your DNS
provider, then re-runs certbot
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this
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270[02:07:21] <trysten> i'm uninstalling the docker.com deb
and installing the official debian deb, which I should have done
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287[02:19:17] <echoSMILE> if the installer don't detect
network adapter (when motherboard has two) that means it need
'special' drivers?
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289[02:19:43] <abrotman> echoSMILE: you might, there are some
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290[02:19:46] <abrotman> !firmware installer
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291[02:19:47] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional
<firmware>, by including it within installation media or
supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See
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292[02:19:52] <abrotman> doh
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293[02:19:55] <abrotman> dpkg: firmware images
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294[02:19:55] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD
installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are
available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See
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302[02:22:30] <echoSMILE> abrotman debian live installer needs
internet?
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310[02:25:40] <j2daosh> hello all. I am trying to backup a
device sdcard for a LED lightshow system but I think i may have an
issue with permissions. I popped the card into my debian based
linux, I can get at everything as root, but i am seeing an owner of
'Debian-ow' and a group of 'crontab'. my system
doesn't have those accounts. so, how do i find out what the UID
of that file is so i can set it appropriately and when i pop in the
flash drive the system c
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311[02:25:51] <j2daosh> echoSMILE: probably to try and update
packages
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313[02:27:01] <abrotman> echoSMILE: I haven't used the live
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314[02:27:07] <j2daosh> nevermind, just figured it out (ls -ntr)
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on my system. does that mean the linux lightshow OS is debian? or
does it just see a UID of 104/107 and lookup in my linux what those
IDs are and prints the match?
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332[02:44:14] <rant> echoSMILE: no it doesn't but its not
really a good idea.. the live install will result in many GB of
additional language packs, translations, language utilities, etc..
last time I used it.. the install is nearly double in size
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333[02:44:30] <dominix> what is the purpose of vlan aware in a
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334[02:45:17] <dominix> if I do not use vlan aware I can use my
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335[02:45:19] <echoSMILE> rant ok. tks
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537[03:05:19] <echoSMILE> how to disable X and GUI on boot?
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539[03:05:27] <echoSMILE> debian strech
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540[03:05:35] <abrotman> echoSMILE: did you install a DM?
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541[03:05:41] <echoSMILE> DM?
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542[03:05:49] <abrotman> GDM KDM, et
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544[03:05:51] <abrotman> etc
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545[03:05:53] <abrotman> a graphical login
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546[03:05:55] <echoSMILE> xfce
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547[03:06:01] <abrotman> dpkg: tell echoSMILE about nodm
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584[03:14:22] <echoSMILE> is there a way to on boot the system
dont clean the screen ?
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585[03:14:39] <echoSMILE> or, can I see the boot messages?
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593[03:16:36] <dvs> echoSMILE, /var/log/messages usually have
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595[03:17:32] <echoSMILE> it is related with services the error
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596[03:17:52] <echoSMILE> but the login prompt clean the screen
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597[03:18:04] <echoSMILE> in that file doesn't appear
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603[03:24:26] <echoSMILE> and, how to detect which network card
I have and how to install the driver for it?
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604[03:24:42] <abrotman> lspci -nn
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605[03:24:46] <abrotman> do you see it listed?
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606[03:26:15] <echoSMILE> many entries
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608[03:26:25] <abrotman> do any look like a netowrk card?
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609[03:26:39] <abrotman> 00:1f.6 Ethernet controller [0200]:
Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection (2) I219-LM [8086:15b7] (rev
31)
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610[03:26:42] <abrotman> that's mine
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611[03:26:59] <echoSMILE> communication controller?
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612[03:27:10] <abrotman> you don't have any that say
"net" in them?
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613[03:27:14] <SerajewelKS> if in doubt, paste the entire output
using:
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614[03:27:15] <SerajewelKS> !paste
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615[03:27:15] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use for text:
replaced-url
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616[03:27:17] <echoSMILE> no
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617[03:27:25] <abrotman> echoSMILE: does the machine have
network at all?
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618[03:27:33] <SerajewelKS> is it a USB network controller?
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619[03:27:42] <echoSMILE> two nics on motherboard
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620[03:27:47] <abrotman> echoSMILE: does the machine have
network at all?
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621[03:28:12] <echoSMILE> what do you mean ?
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622[03:28:17] <abrotman> can it reach the internet?
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624[03:28:21] <echoSMILE> nop
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625[03:28:30] <abrotman> echoSMILE: lspci -nn | grep -i net
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626[03:28:32] <abrotman> any lines appear?
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628[03:28:49] <echoSMILE> none
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629[03:28:57] <abrotman> any unknown devices?
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631[03:29:07] <echoSMILE> no
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633[03:29:24] <abrotman> can you take a picture and post it
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635[03:30:19] <echoSMILE> i'm checking the bios
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636[03:30:21] <abrotman> dpkg: tell echoSMILE about paste
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637[03:30:21] <echoSMILE> one sec
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639[03:31:17] <echoSMILE> bios disabled :)
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640[03:31:22] <echoSMILE> tks
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642[03:31:34] <abrotman> well, that seems like a bad idea?
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646[03:35:35] <echoSMILE> i mean, the nics were disabled on bios
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647[03:35:43] <echoSMILE> dont know why.
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659[03:45:16] <echoSMILE> yes yes. tks
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661[03:45:44] <echoSMILE> abrotman my question before was about
systemd messages, not the boot itself
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662[03:46:02] * Old_Dog can't stay awake any longer. Goodnight
(its night in Texas) everybody.
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663[03:46:18] <abrotman> echoSMILE: what question?
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665[03:46:39] <echoSMILE> how to get 'boot' messages
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666[03:47:07] <abrotman> /var/log/messages is a good place to
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667[03:48:12] <echoSMILE> but is systemd messages I want to see,
not the dmesg
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670[03:48:52] <dvs> I did? I mean, I did!
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788[05:10:11] <crestfallen> hi I have issues getting my debian 9
to synch with a bluetooth device. please read :
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791[05:11:29] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: It's just:
"trust A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0"
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793[05:12:04] <crestfallen> friendofafriend, thanks trying that
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796[05:12:29] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: Always welcome,
good luck.
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806[05:14:43] <crestfallen> friendofafriend, it says trust
succeded. so with power on, agent on and trust succeeded, should I
have a synch ?
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813[05:17:28] <crestfallen> the gui says disconnected
friendofafriend still
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816[05:18:09] <crestfallen> Anker SoundCore disconnected
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817[05:19:51] <crestfallen> the connection slider button will
not allow me to turn on, even though just below that it reads '
Paired Yes '
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820[05:21:52] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: Sure, you'll
want to handle that from bluetoothctl.
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824[05:23:42] <crestfallen> friendofafriend, please advise how.
here is output once I tried the gui :
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827[05:25:52] <friendofafriend> So, you'd pair with just
the MAC address also.
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830[05:26:10] <friendofafriend> For example, "pair
A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0" and "trust A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0".
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831[05:27:00] <crestfallen> Attempting to pair with
A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0 Failed to pair: org.bluez.Error.AlreadyExists
friendofafriend
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832[05:27:29] <crestfallen> ??
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834[05:28:09] <crestfallen> just maddening
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836[05:28:38] <crestfallen> please suggest
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839[05:30:37] <friendofafriend> You are already paired to the
device.
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840[05:30:45] <crestfallen> same error with connect
A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0
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841[05:31:18] <crestfallen> slightly different error
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843[05:31:23] <friendofafriend> For example, you should type
"devices".
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845[05:31:49] <friendofafriend> You'll see your
"Device A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0 Anker Soundwhatever".
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846[05:31:54] <crestfallen> got that
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847[05:32:15] <crestfallen> it produced that output
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848[05:32:27] <crestfallen> what next
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849[05:32:40] <friendofafriend> Are you using, say, pulseaudio?
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851[05:33:06] <crestfallen> please help me determine that
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855[05:33:45] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: "ps xau | grep
-i pulseaudio"
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858[05:34:55] <crestfallen> friendofafriend,
replaced-url
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859[05:35:26] <friendofafriend> Hooray, you have pulseaudio.
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860[05:35:35] <crestfallen> what next friendo
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863[05:35:57] <crestfallen> I've spent hours on this
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865[05:36:41] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: You are probably
missing the "pulseaudio-module-bluetooth" package. You
would install that with "sudo apt-get install
pulseaudio-module-bluetooth".
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866[05:37:02] <crestfallen> excellent thanks. working...
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868[05:37:31] <crestfallen> installed
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869[05:37:36] <crestfallen> as of now
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870[05:37:51] <friendofafriend> Neat-o, and then you'd kill
pulseaudio with a "sudo killall pulseaudio".
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871[05:38:16] <crestfallen> done
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872[05:38:44] <friendofafriend> OK, and now pulseaudio should
have been automatically restarted by the system. You can check to
see that it's running with "ps xau | grep pulseaudio"
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875[05:39:43] <crestfallen> which line indicates that?
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876[05:39:50] <crestfallen> there are 3 lines
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877[05:40:11] <friendofafriend> OK, then pulseaudio is running
again.
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878[05:40:17] <crestfallen> cool
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879[05:40:35] <friendofafriend> There are a couple ways to set
the Bluetooth speakers as output.
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880[05:40:40] <crestfallen> ok
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881[05:41:02] <friendofafriend> You can right-click on the
speaker icon, and select "Sound Preferences".
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882[05:41:14] <friendofafriend> Under the Output tab, you should
see your Bluetooth speakers.
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885[05:41:56] <crestfallen> I don't see an icon
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887[05:41:59] <friendofafriend> You could also install the
program pavucontrol, with "sudo apt-get install
pavucontrol". It has many more feature than that Sound
Preferences window.
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892[05:43:10] <crestfallen> I still cannot use the slider button
to turn in on , on the gui
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893[05:43:29] <crestfallen> it looks like its going to work, and
slides back to off
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894[05:43:40] <crestfallen> where is the icon friendofafriend
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895[05:43:42] <crestfallen> ?
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909[05:47:30] <crestfallen> pavucontrol is so complicated. why
is it so brutal to have bluetooth on this system?
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910[05:47:37] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: OK, so it appears
as though you're running a piece of software called
"blueberry". It often does things a little wrong.
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912[05:47:51] <friendofafriend> We've already paired the
device with bluetoothctl.
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913[05:47:57] <crestfallen> ok
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916[05:48:34] <friendofafriend> pavucontrol lets you do lots of
cool stuff. In you "Output Devices" tab, do you see a
Bluetooth device there?
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918[05:48:49] <crestfallen> no
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921[05:50:04] <crestfallen> it only lists 2 ports
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926[05:51:51] <crestfallen> under Configuration, both Profile
say "unplugged"
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927[05:52:01] <crestfallen> Profiles*
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928[05:52:12] <OS-34800> hi
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929[05:52:23] <friendofafriend> Howdy, OS-34800.
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930[05:53:27] <crestfallen> how would I add the bluetooth to
pavucontrol output devices? friendofafriend
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931[05:54:01] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: So, we've
added modules to the system for bluetooth sound by pulseaudio.
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932[05:54:20] <crestfallen> confused
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939[05:56:04] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: Do you have the
package "bluez-firmware" installed? You can found out
pretty quickly with a "sudo apt-get install
bluez-firmware".
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942[05:57:43] <dracc_> I'm having trouble upgrading to
linux-image-4.19.0-1-amd64 with AMDGPU (FOSS variant) and a Radeon
R9 290X. Works fine in 4.18.0-2-amd64 . Any ideas what might have
changed?
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943[05:58:15] <friendofafriend> dracc_: How are you upgrading?
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944[05:58:38] <dracc_> `aptitude safe-upgrade` - maybe I
should've asked in #debian-testing . Sorry!
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945[05:58:44] <crestfallen> yes friendofafriend its installed
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947[05:59:17] <crestfallen> should I remove it?
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948[05:59:26] <dracc_> Ooops yet again, #debian-next .
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949[05:59:27] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: Cool, so let's
go ahead and restart bluetooth itself, with "sudo service
bluetooth restart".
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951[05:59:52] <crestfallen> ok done
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953[06:00:15] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: Alright, and
let's also "sudo killall pulseaudio" once more.
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955[06:00:33] <crestfallen> ok done
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956[06:00:53] <friendofafriend> And then, let's run
"sudo bluetoothctl".
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957[06:01:15] <crestfallen> ok done
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959[06:01:34] <friendofafriend> And when you run
"devices", do you see the "Anker SoundCore"
there?
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960[06:01:49] <crestfallen> yes its there
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964[06:02:37] <crestfallen> in the gui its still disconnected
sadly
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968[06:03:50] <crestfallen> btw I pulled out a headset from the
tower thinking it was interfering
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979[06:07:31] <friendofafriend> OK, so in bluetoothctl,
let's connect manually.
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980[06:07:47] <friendofafriend> You'd do that with
"connect A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0".
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981[06:08:24] <crestfallen> Failed
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982[06:08:37] <crestfallen> one moment
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984[06:09:26] <crestfallen> it said Connected: yes then error
message and Connected: no
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986[06:10:03] <friendofafriend> So, I guess you're talking
about the Bluetooth GUI you have there.
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988[06:10:41] <crestfallen> actually no that's an error
message in the [bluetooth]# prompt
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989[06:10:56] <friendofafriend> OK, neat. You get just
"Failed"?
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990[06:11:24] <crestfallen> Attempting to connect to
A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0
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991[06:11:24] <crestfallen> [CHG] Device A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0
Connected: yes Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed
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995[06:14:16] <friendofafriend> OK, neat. You may have to again
"trust A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0", and then "connect
A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0".
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996[06:14:26] <crestfallen> one sec
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997[06:15:10] <crestfallen> trust succeeded, connect failed
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999[06:15:38] <crestfallen> same failure message
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1000[06:15:43] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: Is it possible for
you to restart the Debian system?
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1001[06:16:05] <crestfallen> sure but I'll lose you for a
few minutes
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1002[06:16:15] <friendofafriend> We've added some modules,
and I'm not sure if they've been properly loaded by
restarting services.
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1003[06:16:38] <crestfallen> let me reboot . see ya in 5 minutes?
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1004[06:16:46] <friendofafriend> Sure, I'll be here.
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1005[06:16:51] <crestfallen> pax
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1025[06:26:33] <crestfallen> friendofafriend, back in
[bluetooth]# prompt
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1028[06:27:56] <crestfallen> did trust and connect again. connect
failed
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1030[06:31:06] <crestfallen> ping
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1031[06:31:10] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: Are you able to
pair with the device?
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1033[06:31:41] <crestfallen> no
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1034[06:32:15] <crestfallen> Attempting to pair with
A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0 Failed to pair: org.bluez.Error.AlreadyExists
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1037[06:33:55] <friendofafriend> OK, so this could be an issue
with pulseaudio. Please run the command "sudo pactl load-module
module-bluetooth-discover".
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1039[06:34:36] <crestfallen> will do . just got [DEL] message in
bluetoothctl in red
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1045[06:35:52] <crestfallen> that command returned an error :
Failure: Module initialization failed
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1056[06:42:33] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: That's a
little odd, so just make sure not even a letter is out of place in
that "sudo pactl load-module module-bluetooth-discover".
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1061[06:44:15] <crestfallen> no its correct. I did copy/paste
I'm reading this right now:
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1062[06:44:51] <crestfallen> no that article must not apply
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1070[06:50:00] <crestfallen> how ya doin' friendofafriend
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1071[06:50:15] <crestfallen> any luck . I have no clue
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1074[06:51:33] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: "pactl list |
grep -i bluetooth-discover"
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1076[06:52:07] <friendofafriend> This will show you if
module-bluetooth-discover is loaded, you'll get "Name:
module-bluetooth-discover" as the result.
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1077[06:52:20] <crestfallen> correct got that
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1078[06:53:17] <crestfallen> so that seems contradictory
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1084[06:56:16] <friendofafriend> So, you do have this other
program trying to manage your Bluetooth devices.
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1085[06:56:32] <friendofafriend> It's called
"blueberry"
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1087[06:56:48] <crestfallen> doesnt sound good :)
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1088[06:57:15] <crestfallen> any way to simplify my setup?
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1090[06:57:30] <friendofafriend> You may also be running
blueman-manager, or something of the like.
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1091[06:57:43] <friendofafriend> It can sometimes decide to do
silly things without you asking.
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1092[06:57:56] <crestfallen> no clue sorry
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1094[06:58:22] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: Right, if you see a
neat little Bluetooth icon in your taskbar, that's one of them.
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1096[06:58:45] <friendofafriend> Let's see if we can maybe
figure out which, by running the command "ps xau | grep -i
blue".
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1097[06:58:49] <crestfallen> strangely no, the taskbar has never
shown an icon
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1098[06:59:04] <friendofafriend> There's probably still a
manager running.
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1100[06:59:30] <friendofafriend> The output of that command might
give us some useful information, so posting it to a paste site would
be great.
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1107[07:00:04] <crestfallen>
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1108[07:00:34] <crestfallen> friendofafriend, ^
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1109[07:01:14] <friendofafriend> Hey, so there's some stuff
going on! Looks like you've got "blueman-applet".
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1110[07:01:45] <crestfallen> in a python3 directory? :)
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1115[07:03:17] <friendofafriend> Indeed, it is a python script.
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1117[07:04:45] <friendofafriend> So, I wonder if blueman-applet
will restart as soon as it's killed. Let's try a
"killall blueman-applet"
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1120[07:05:06] <friendofafriend> And then following that with a
"ps xau | grep -i blueman"
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1123[07:06:18] <crestfallen> john 2583 0.0 0.0 12784 980 pts/1 S+
22:05 0:00 grep -i blueman
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1126[07:08:03] <friendofafriend> OK, neat. So now let's jump
back to "sudo bluetoothctl" and see if that connect
command now works.
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1127[07:08:11] <crestfallen> ok
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1131[07:09:19] <crestfallen> friendofafriend, should I do trust
command first?
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1132[07:09:34] <friendofafriend> Sure, won't hurt.
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1135[07:10:29] <crestfallen> same scenario: it first said
Connected: yes then error and Connected: no
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1139[07:13:21] <crestfallen> you know I'm a little worried
that that python3 directory is not where the software should be
friendofafriend
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1140[07:14:03] <crestfallen> it looks like a directory I created.
there's no telling what messes I've made
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1141[07:14:07] <friendofafriend> It's just that applet
that's written in python.
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1142[07:14:46] <crestfallen> ok
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1144[07:16:01] <friendofafriend> OK, so a thing to try would be
removing and repairing the device.
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1146[07:16:39] <crestfallen> repairing? it's a speaker, not
sure I understand
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1150[07:17:04] <crestfallen> it has worked on a macintosh machine
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1151[07:17:09] <friendofafriend> So, in "sudo
bluetoothctl", you would "remove A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0",
then "pair A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0", and "connect
A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0".
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1153[07:17:26] <friendofafriend> That is to say, re-pair, like
pairing over.
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1154[07:17:35] <crestfallen> ok working. oh! sorry got it
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1160[07:20:32] <crestfallen> trying to pair after removing, but I
get Device not available !
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1168[07:22:44] <crestfallen> that is new
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1175[07:24:14] <friendofafriend> OK, you may have to "trust
A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0" before you pair.
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1176[07:24:32] <crestfallen> cannot, tried that
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1177[07:24:47] <crestfallen> very sorry what a nightmare
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1178[07:25:35] <crestfallen> after restarting bluetoothctl, the
DEV no longer was listed
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1182[07:27:42] <friendofafriend> OK, that's odd. You may
have to do like a "default-agent", then "scan
on" and see if it's found once more.
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1183[07:28:36] <crestfallen> oh now it sees the device
friendofafriend
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1185[07:28:49] <friendofafriend> OK, hey that's great.
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1186[07:29:09] <friendofafriend> So then maybe try a "trust
A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0"
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1187[07:29:09] <crestfallen> so let me see if I can do trust and
connect?
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1188[07:29:18] <friendofafriend> Right, good luck!
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1190[07:29:51] <crestfallen> oh shit it worked!
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1191[07:30:07] <crestfallen> one sec friendofafriend
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1193[07:31:20] <friendofafriend> Hey, that's great news!
Check and see if you've got a Bluetooth device in your
"Output Devices"
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1195[07:32:23] <crestfallen> I have a bluetooth icon in my
activity bar, but can't get sound from a youtube video yet
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1199[07:33:44] <friendofafriend> OK, so you'll want to check
pavucontrol.
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1200[07:33:56] <crestfallen> ok going there
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1202[07:34:15] <friendofafriend> And in pavucontrol, under the
"Output Devices" tab, you should see some Bluetooth
device. A new output device.
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1206[07:36:14] <crestfallen> I have Port: Headphones (unplugged)
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1209[07:36:30] <friendofafriend> Nah, that's for your normal
audio card.
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1210[07:37:10] <friendofafriend> You may have to enlarge the
window or scroll down.
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1212[07:37:53] <friendofafriend> On my system, the window
sometimes comes up just large enough to show the first device.
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1216[07:38:50] <crestfallen> at the very top, it says Volume
Control, while at the Output Devices tab
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1220[07:40:25] <crestfallen> I can see it registering the speaker
on the youtube video, under the Line Out Port
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1221[07:40:30] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: OK, so if it's
not there, let's run "sudo bluetoothctl" once more
and then "info A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0".
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1222[07:40:52] <crestfallen> ok
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1223[07:41:01] <friendofafriend> That will give you some
information about the state of that bluetooth device, and it's
enough lines you'll want to put it in a paste site.
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1225[07:43:28] <crestfallen> really appreciate it:
replaced-url
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1227[07:44:21] <crestfallen> weird it looks like there are a
bunch of new devices including the speaker
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1228[07:44:32] <crestfallen> vivosport?
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1234[07:49:49] <friendofafriend> OK, says it's not
connected. Does "connect A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0" work now?
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1241[07:53:05] <crestfallen> now the prompt says [Anker
SoundCore] .. now I lost that and the bluetooth icon in status bar!
friendofafriend
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1250[07:56:25] <crestfallen>
replaced-url
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1256[07:58:25] <crestfallen> the blue light on the device flashes
and once the connection succeeds it goes solid blue
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1258[08:00:08] <crestfallen> very strange behavior in the readout
now with many devices please view this :
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1261[08:01:35] <flyingbutter> when I see which card is being used
for graphics in my optimus system, it shows that the integrated
graphics in intel is being used and not my nvidia gpu
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1263[08:01:42] <flyingbutter> I am using bumblebee, is this
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1272[08:05:29] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: Hey there, that
looks great! Now when you do an "info", you should see the
Anker device connected.
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1273[08:05:48] <friendofafriend> crestfallen: It would be a good
time to check if that output device is now showing.
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1277[08:09:11] <crestfallen> its showing on pavucontrol
friendofafriend but the monitor is not working on the anker
SoundCore Port, only on the Line Out Port
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1278[08:09:51] <friendofafriend> Hey, that's excellent!
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1279[08:09:58] <crestfallen> so I can see the speaking of a
youtube video reflected in the second Port : Line Out (unplugged)
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1280[08:10:40] <crestfallen> but nothing from the speaker
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1281[08:10:40] <friendofafriend> So, if you go to the
"Playback" tab in pavucontrol, you'll see levels
bouncing.
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1282[08:11:09] <friendofafriend> I'm watching a YouTube
video right now. It appears with a Firefox icon and "AudioIPC
Server".
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1283[08:11:33] <crestfallen> I got it ! It works ! bloody hell
you're a GENIUS. thanks kindly !
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1284[08:11:55] <friendofafriend> Hooray! You're very
welcome, crestfallen.
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1285[08:12:09] <crestfallen> blessings !!
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1286[08:12:20] <friendofafriend> And the same to you! :)
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1287[08:12:31] <crestfallen> so one thing..
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1289[08:12:47] <crestfallen> next time I won't need to
anything. it will stay connected?
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1290[08:13:31] <friendofafriend> So, Bluetooth can be strange to
get working.
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1291[08:14:09] <friendofafriend> And it's tough to say what
makes it work and not.
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1292[08:14:43] <friendofafriend> The big part was getting that
pulseaudio module installed, because even making the device connect
wouldn't have given you audio. That part is done, and you
don't have to do it again.
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1294[08:15:24] <friendofafriend> But it's possible the
device will disconnect and you'll have to turn the agent on,
and scan, trust, and pair, and connect all over again.
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1297[08:15:51] <friendofafriend> And if it doesn't work, you
may have to remove and do pair over again.
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1299[08:16:48] <crestfallen> ok I'm putting all that into my
notes. the device signature A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0 doesn't change,
correct?
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1300[08:17:07] <friendofafriend> Also, if you're interested
in setting the Bluetooth speakers as default in pavucontrol,
there's a checkbox that will make future playback default to
the Bluetooth speakers.
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1301[08:17:29] <friendofafriend> (It's to the right of the
lock icon.)
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1302[08:17:53] <friendofafriend> Yes, the MAC address of the
speaker will not change.
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1304[08:18:24] <crestfallen> excellent thanks so much
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1307[08:19:12] <friendofafriend> You're very welcome, and
I'm glad it's working for you now. Have a great day.
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1309[08:19:25] <crestfallen> you as well peace
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1342[08:44:00] <Rico> hello
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1347[08:48:38] <Rico> I'm facing something weird with a
systemd startup script :
replaced-url
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1353[08:49:10] <Rico> I'm using lxdui, which is a frontend
for lxd. The part which is not working correctly it the display of a
terminal in the CT
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1359[08:51:49] <apollo13> Rico: you'll have to provide more
details, what exactly is not working
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1360[08:52:04] <apollo13> an according to systemd it seems
running…
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1361[08:52:41] <Rico> apollo13: yep it's running, but
there's some parts of the python app which does not work
correctly
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1363[08:52:56] <Rico> trying to find out what...
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1364[08:53:12] <apollo13> Rico: well which parts, what are the
errors in the browser error console, app log files etc…
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1609[12:01:58] <xerophile> hey. Anyone would know how to create
an entry from dconf ? I only find a way to edit existing ones.
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1611[12:03:09] <petn-randall> xerophile: Can you eloborate what
you're trying to do?
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if the value isn't known yet to dconf there is no point in
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1613[12:03:46] <apollo13> otherwise "dconf write" can
help you
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1616[12:03:58] <xerophile> when a user get created I want to
change the default behaviour of some apps.
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1618[12:04:38] <xerophile> Some, like network manager, don't
have preexisting values, they get created when you configure the
values from networkmanager
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1619[12:04:46] <apollo13>
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1620[12:05:12] <xerophile> dconf writ would work just fine if the
values prexister and I had to change them - but they don't
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1622[12:05:28] <xerophile> *preexisted *write
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dconf :o
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1640[12:11:21] <apollo13> note, that is the doc for gnome 3.12
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1641[12:11:29] <apollo13> you might have to read the one matching
your version
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1644[12:13:13] <xerophile> Source: d-conf (0.26.0-2)
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1645[12:13:17] <xerophile> 3.12 ? oO
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1654[12:17:33] <uio> Hi, is it possible to password protect a usb
that I could use on my Linux system and that I could use on Windows
computers for which I do not have admin passes?
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1658[12:20:41] <uio> It looks like veracypt only works if on has
the admin passes.
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1661[12:21:39] <uio> And Bitlocker is only for Windows (and is
closed source....)
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1663[12:24:22] <xerophile> guess you could use GPG ?
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1664[12:25:00] <uio> xerophile: But would this work for quick
acess to the files?
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1666[12:25:21] <xerophile> you want security or quick access ?
é_è
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1667[12:25:59] <uio> xerophile: More quick access, but not just
an open usb
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1668[12:26:23] <uio> xerophile: I just want some password system.
Would GPG do this?
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1670[12:26:39] <xerophile> I don't think so.
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1674[12:28:39] <uio> Such a program must exist though...
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1683[12:31:40] <xerophile> uio the easy way would be a workaround
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1684[12:31:51] <xerophile> like creating a zip archive with
password ??
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1775[13:38:02] <rant> wait.. LUKS doesn't require
"admin passes" when mounted via gvfsd?!
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1776[13:38:43] * rant doesn't have "admin passes" but
would still require a seperate step other than his passphrase for
the volume if it did require it..
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1782[13:41:05] <xand> what are "admin passes"?
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1786[13:43:13] <rant> yeah, I thought the same thing.. obviously
a recent windows refugee
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1788[13:44:19] <rant> I'll talk to them about it when I see
them again, but nobody else in here had the mind to mention that
LUKS+gvfsd would mount an encrypted USB drive without need for priv
escalation
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1792[13:45:38] <rant> when I plug in my passport drive it just
pops up a dialog asking for the LUKS key passphrase, it never asks
me to swipe my finger
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1796[13:47:46] <rant> actually, now that I just did it I recall
the odd behavior that it doesn't automount... as it would for
an unencrypted device. I have to actually click on it.. but it never
asks for me to identify with the fingerprint to open the crypt or
mount
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1797[13:48:14] <xand> LUKS doesn't mount things, it just
unlocks them
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1798[13:48:22] <xand> the mounting part is separate
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1799[13:48:26] <rant> I'm well aware of how luks works :P
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1800[13:48:50] <rant> though I am kinda confused how gvfsd does
it cause cryptsetup only works as root afaik
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1801[13:48:55] <xand> given how you don't need to be root to
mount normal usb media, why would LUKS-encrypted ones be different?
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1802[13:49:10] <xand> mount only works as root by default too :P
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1804[13:49:47] <xand> I don't know how the gnome stuff
works. maybe a service that's running as root, or setuid
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1807[13:51:36] <blackflow> rant: polkit
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1808[13:51:54] <rant> when I try closing the crypt using
cryptsetup it gives me "Cannot initialize device-mapper,
running as non-root user."
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1809[13:52:28] <rant> blackflow: does it do this without
requiring root auth? Cause I have my polkit setup in a way it may be
allowing me to do something that is not std behavior
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1810[13:52:47] <blackflow> afaik that's a default setup in
gnome yes
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1811[13:52:52] <rant> I /may have/ that is
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1812[13:53:23] <rant> cause actually I dont think on this system
I have any special sudo, polkit, or other settings.. I just have no
root password and use fprintd
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1815[13:54:06] <blackflow> if you have gvfs, then you must have
gnome, then you must have polkit, no?
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1819[13:54:25] <rant> Way I figure it is, since there is a
ridiculously long password required to mount the rootfs, you
can't even get to the point of trying to fool the fingerprint
scanner, so..
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1821[13:55:00] <rant> blackflow: nope, I use xfce.. polkit and
gvfsd are not exclusive to gnome, they're used in the vast
majority of the DE
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1822[13:55:30] <rant> MATE, XFCE, probably LXDE and Cinnamon
too.. I could check but I would assume so
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1824[13:55:48] <rant> only one other than KDE I would guess that
don't would be LXQt
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1825[13:56:17] <blackflow> rant: yeah but they come in via some
gnome dependencies pulled into xfce. anyway, do you have
/usr/share/polkit-1/rules.d/org.gtk.vfs.file-operations.rules ?
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1828[13:56:34] <uio> How can I pasword protext a usb that I could
open on my Linux machine and on a public Windows machine?
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1830[13:57:02] <rant> blackflow: doesn't appear so
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1831[13:57:08] <rant> uio: we were just talking about you :P
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1832[13:57:14] <rant> uio: use LUKS
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1834[13:57:21] <uio> rant: lol
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1835[13:57:25] <blackflow> luks on windows?
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1836[13:57:26] <rant> oh.. you didnt mention windows earlier
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1837[13:57:31] <rant> I see you said that now
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1838[13:57:37] <uio> rant: Oops.
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1839[13:57:56] <uio> It's because at work they have Windows,
and sometimes I have to print stuff.
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1840[13:57:59] <rant> uio: are you very concerned about security,
or you just want something the average idiot can't get into?
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1841[13:58:07] <uio> that latter
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1842[13:58:13] <blackflow> the only shared crypto techis
TrueCrypt if I'm not mistaken
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1843[13:58:17] <blackflow> *tech is
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1844[13:58:20] <fboender> off-topic for here probably, but does
anybody know how you can check whether letsencrypt certs were issues
with TLS-SNI-01?
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1845[13:58:27] <fboender> s/issues/issued/
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1846[13:58:35] <rant> uio: use a password protected zip file..
there are utilites on linux to mount those and windows already
treats them like normal directories
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1847[13:58:35] <fboender> like in a config file or something?
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1848[13:58:39] <uio> blackflow: Now discontinued and replaced
with Veracrypt I believe
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1850[13:58:51] <uio> rant: Could this be automatic ?
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1852[13:59:02] <blackflow> uio: okay then that :)
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1853[13:59:21] <uio> blackflow: But one needs admin to use it in
portable mode....
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1854[13:59:24] <rant> uio: in windows, last I used it, yes.. you
click a zip, does same thing as clicking a folder.. and in Linux..
well its Linux... so yeah.. heh
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1855[13:59:31] <blackflow> uio: at any rate, "password
protecting USB" does not exist. you need some kind of
encryption, and best is whole fs encryption, forget ZIPs
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1859[13:59:44] <rant> you'd just need to figure out a means
of hooking the zip mount program into gvfsd or such
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1860[13:59:52] <rant> should be rather trivial I would imagine
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1861[14:00:09] <uio> rant: Sorry, but I don't get what you
mean gvfsd???
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1862[14:00:23] <blackflow> you could also use openssl :)
it's manual work and not as convenient, but it works
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1863[14:00:30] <rant> uio: its a filesystem daemon included in
GNOME, XFCE, MATE, etc.. that automounts volumes
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1864[14:00:37] <rant> ,i archivemount
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1865[14:00:38] <judd> Package archivemount (utils, optional) in
stretch/amd64: mounts an archive for access as a file system.
Version: 0.8.7-1+b1; Size: 25.7k; Installed: 69k; Homepage:
replaced-url
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1866[14:00:39] <uio> rant: BTW I ordered the fan, but will be
avoiding thermal paste for fear of breaking it.
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1867[14:00:46] <blackflow> it's GNOME Virtual File System
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1871[14:01:24] <rant> if gvfsd can figure out how to mount other
things, I'm sure you can teach it to use archivemount :P
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1873[14:02:25] <uio> This could get messy because I use Unison to
keep the usb synced to my HDD... syncing an zip file might not be
great, no?
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1874[14:02:57] <rant> once the zipfile is mounted, userland is
none the wiser
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1875[14:03:23] <rant> it has no idea its working with a zipfile,
the FUSE driver makes it accessible like any other filesystem
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1876[14:04:20] <rant> and this, unlike other proprietary
solutions is not likely to become deprecated... though its security
is probably not as good as most encryption programs, but if thats
not your primary concern, this sounds like a good option
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1878[14:04:48] <uio> archivemount is a cli tool?
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1879[14:04:59] <rant> because I am not certain, but I believe
with a password protected zip, you can still see the files.. you
just can't access them
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1880[14:05:08] <rant> i.e. you can get a directory listing with
filenames IIRC
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1882[14:05:34] <rant> uio: it is.. but so is mount, cryptsetup,
etc.. and gvfsd handles that stuff
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1883[14:05:48] <uio> are you running cli now?
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1884[14:05:57] <uio> I can't live without guis...
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1885[14:06:02] <rant> I'm in XFCE..
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1886[14:06:23] <rant> yes this is apparent from the fact you
apparently dont realize most of what you do is with cli tools
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1888[14:06:31] <rant> the GUI is just a frontend that does stuff
for you
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1889[14:06:48] <rant> the tools that actually do all that stuff
are still cli :P
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1891[14:07:03] <uio> rant: Oh I'm know nothing about linux!
Just enough to break things...
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1892[14:07:31] <rant> cd burning, archive management, transcoding
video..etc.. its all cli.. the gui just forms the command for you
from doing clicky-clicky stuff
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1895[14:08:01] <uio> rant: Yes, but I will underline
'interface'.
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1896[14:08:09] <rant> winff for example.. works on windows,
linux, etc.. for transcoding videos.. its a GUI.. but all it does is
form an ffmpeg command and pass it to the cli
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1897[14:08:10] <uio> I don' the the cl interface
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1899[14:08:24] <uio> pass it to the CL.
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1900[14:08:32] <uio> Not to the interface...
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1901[14:08:53] <uio> I need to hide the file names too though....
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1902[14:08:59] <rant> yes well in this instance your filemanager
is the interface to gvfsd which is the interface to whatever the
hell mounts something :P
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1904[14:09:40] <rant> you presumably already have the filemanager
and the VFS daemon, you just need to add the new driver and mounting
program (archivemount) to the mix
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1906[14:10:07] <rant> just like you could have fileroller (an
archive GUI) and it won't handle RAR files until you install
the rar command line utility
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1909[14:10:32] <uio> CLU then, not CLI :)
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1910[14:10:40] <uio> difference
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1912[14:11:01] <rant> you can call it whatever you like..
you're just confused by using a braindead OS too long..
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1913[14:11:35] <uio> rant: I've been on some form of linux
for about six years....
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1914[14:11:40] <rant> where your computer is on your desktop, but
the desktop is actually a folder inside the C: that is inside the My
Computer that is ON the desktop :P
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1915[14:12:05] <rant> and there is no way to square that circle..
in Linux however you can get down below that confusing nonsense
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1916[14:12:07] <uio> I've never actually used Windows as my
machine.
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1917[14:12:18] <uio> I've had Macs that I linuxed
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1919[14:13:15] <rant> Yeah well MacOSX is like a third cousin..
that dresses real pretty and maybe you fooled around with before you
realized you were related (or even after :P) ...
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1922[14:13:37] <rant> under all that goofy UI it has, its a lot
like linux
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1923[14:13:54] <n4dir> rather like BSD, but i guess it
doesn't matter here.
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1925[14:14:09] <uio> Anyway, back to my question, is there a tool
that ill password protect the file names too?
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1927[14:14:57] <rant> idk, lemme try this out and see.. I'm
not 100% sure of this as I dont do lame stuff like password protect
archives
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1929[14:15:37] <uio> rant: You wouldn't password protect a
usb for work??
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1930[14:16:19] <rant> ok, yes.. a password protected zip file is
still directory listable as I thought
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1931[14:16:46] <rant> no.. first of all you couldnt pay me enough
to use windows, and if I wanted something encrypted, I'd use
LUKS
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1932[14:17:00] <uio> rant: lol
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1933[14:17:07] * rant tries a password protected RAR
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1935[14:17:56] <rant> wait..
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1936[14:18:04] <uio> ........ oh..
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1937[14:18:10] <uio> ..waiting....
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1938[14:18:14] <uio> suspense......
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1939[14:18:19] <uio> Aaaaaaaaand.......
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1940[14:18:28] <rant> selecting some files in my filemanager
(XFCE's FM) and telling it to create an archive.. as I scroll
through them some show "encrypt file list"
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1941[14:18:32] <uio> [drum-rol]
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1942[14:18:37] <rant> 7z for example supports it
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1943[14:19:04] <rant> 7z is the only one I currently have
installed that supports encrypting the file list
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1945[14:20:20] <uio> does 7z work on the Dark Side,
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1946[14:20:25] <uio> ?
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1947[14:20:27] <rant> unfortunately that makes mounting a bit
more tricky as idk about windows and 7z and doesnt /seem/ like
archivemount does either
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1950[14:20:38] <rant> it /can/ but not natively like zip
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1951[14:20:46] <rant> you'd need additional software
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1953[14:21:23] <rant> basically any archive format other than zip
would not work natively on windows afaik
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1959[14:24:25] <rant> uio: you should consider using a cloud
based sort of solution.. would be a lot easier
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1960[14:24:59] <uio> rant: Hmmmm. I don't know, I think the
cloud is biggest security threat....
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1962[14:25:20] <rant> uio: you /do/ realize you can make your own
cloud right?
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1963[14:25:39] <rant> i.e. keep the crap safely on a LUKS
encrypted linux machine at home
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1964[14:25:45] <rant> access it via ssh or such
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1965[14:25:47] <uio> rant: Remember who you're talking to! I
lost a ThinkPad screw yesterday!
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1966[14:25:51] <rant> heh
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1968[14:26:23] <uio> and it took me four hours to access the
underside of the fan, only to discover that the spindle is to be
accessed from the top.
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1969[14:26:48] <rant> uio: well I could probably help you setting
up something like this.. using OpenVPN or SSH if you have the
tools..
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1971[14:27:15] <rant> uio: do you have a broadband connection and
linux machine at home, and ability to access the internet and
possibly install OpenVPN or ssh tools at work?
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1975[14:27:53] <rant> install isn't really necessary per-se
some things like putty are standalone binaries
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1976[14:28:27] <rant> yeah well you want to password protect
files and access them between windows and linux.. and you're
picky about the filenames being readable so..
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1977[14:28:43] <uio> rant: true.
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1978[14:28:47] <uio> rant: true.
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1979[14:28:57] <rant> either buy proprietary software that will
taint your linux systems and only work as long as they support it..
or try something open
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1980[14:29:37] <jelly> or buy open source software
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1981[14:30:29] <rant> jelly: you know of something? cause only
windows and linux solution I ever tried was truecrypt.. and well.. I
don't need to splain that one to you, I'm sure.. :P
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1985[14:32:07] <rant> really the 7z can do it fairly simply but
you need a 7z utility on both ends and it won't be automatic
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1987[14:32:32] <rant> really accessing an archive using a zip
utility isn't that complicated
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1990[14:33:37] <uio> I think the solution is to use zip then.
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1991[14:33:43] <uio> thanks
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2018[14:43:34] <D1rT3M0nE> Hi all - Screenlet widgets are not
loading and I don't even know where to begin to troubleshoot.
Can someone suggest a log file or error logging that I might look
in?
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2024[14:46:28] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: you could start by explaining
what a screenlet widget is
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2025[14:46:50] <rant> there are 7 Desktop Environments available
in Debian
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2026[14:47:27] <rant> when asking a question pertaining to one of
them, you should probably mention which one you use
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2027[14:47:48] <D1rT3M0nE> The environment is gnome. Screenlet is
a program that stores a bunch of little desktop widgets - clock, CPU
monitor, etc etc... apparently it's not as well knowsn as I
thought
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2030[14:48:14] <D1rT3M0nE> Anyway, I'm just wondering if
there's a log file I can check to get more info...
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2031[14:48:24] <D1rT3M0nE> fire 'er up!
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2032[14:48:38] <D1rT3M0nE> Don't like Gnome? Why not?
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2034[14:48:57] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: you been using Gnome/Linux long?
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2036[14:49:30] <D1rT3M0nE> nope
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2037[14:49:33] <D1rT3M0nE> few weeks
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2038[14:49:59] <D1rT3M0nE> a dude over in ##linux is saying
it's not supported for Debian...
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2044[14:53:21] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: yes well if you're also new
to freenode and ##linux, those "dudes" are kinda lame most
of the time
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2045[14:53:55] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: the old Gnome now called MATE
was way more featureful and documented.. the new Gnome 3.x is a
revamped UI I loathe that is neither
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2046[14:54:23] <LtL> D1rT3M0nE: sounds like the conky program
you're talking about. there may be something else i'm not
aware of.
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2047[14:55:22] <LtL> conky runs on any DE as far as i know, i use
it and gnome as well.
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2049[14:55:57] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: yes, it would seem screenlets is
not part of the GNOME install (I have a fresh installed gnome vm)
but the package is available.. see if its installed on your system
by typing into the terminal dpkg -l screenlets
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2057[14:57:16] <D1rT3M0nE> I thought I'd installed via
terminal...
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2058[14:57:27] <D1rT3M0nE> I can't parse the dpkg result...:
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2059[14:57:30] <D1rT3M0nE>
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
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2060[14:57:30] <D1rT3M0nE> |
Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
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2061[14:57:30] <D1rT3M0nE> |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required
(Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
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2062[14:57:30] <D1rT3M0nE> ||/ Name Version Architecture
Description
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2063[14:57:30] <D1rT3M0nE>
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2066[14:57:39] <rant> :P
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-l
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2073[15:00:04] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: welcome back. From now on goto
paste.debian.net if you need to paste more than a line or two
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2075[15:00:07] <LtL> i see screenlets now, never tried it.
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2077[15:00:25] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: you have already rejoined..
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2078[15:00:50] <D1rT3M0nE> 6
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2080[15:01:17] <D1rT3M0nE> result of dpkg -l screenlets | wc -l
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2081[15:01:31] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: it looks like you have it
installed.. so that much is sorted out.. lemme fool with it a minute
and see how it works.. in the meantime you can elaborate on your use
case.. what you're doing SPECIFICALLY and what isn't
working
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2084[15:02:15] * rant has to install it first :P
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2086[15:02:50] <D1rT3M0nE> cool, thanks. There isn't much to
explain, which is why I'm looking for log files to examine -
I've installed and add widgets from the gui, but from what I
understand I should see them launched immediately and when I launch
the, I don't get anything - no error message, no success...
nada
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2087[15:03:28] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: ok, so you're launching
screenlets and setting up widgets that aren't appearing on the
desktop?
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2088[15:03:46] <D1rT3M0nE> wait 6 = installed? I mean, I
definitely installed it myself yesterday. Otherwise I'll need
to /join #delusionallinuxfantasy
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2089[15:03:54] <D1rT3M0nE> rant: yes
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2090[15:04:19] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: the wc -l was just couting the
lines.. if it were not installed you would get no output other than
an error and the count would be 0
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2091[15:04:27] <LtL> D1rT3M0nE: try /home/user/.local/share/xorg*
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2092[15:04:28] <rant> I was dumbing it down for ya :P
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2094[15:05:17] <D1rT3M0nE> Aha - dumb is good. :-)
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2096[15:06:13] <rant> yikes
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2097[15:06:36] <LtL> rant: et me know if screenlets is any good
or does it require conky-like witch craft to config it.
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2098[15:06:38] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: ok, well you seem like a
competent computer user, so lets teach ya some basics here in the
process of troubleshooting on linux
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2100[15:06:43] <LtL> *let
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2101[15:06:48] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: open a terminal and run the
screenlets program from there
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2102[15:06:49] <R0b0t1> How can I download from an apt repository
without having apt?
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2104[15:06:56] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: this will let you see output on
the terminal from it
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2105[15:06:58] <D1rT3M0nE> right on!
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2106[15:07:07] <D1rT3M0nE> up with learning, hold a sec...
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2107[15:07:16] <trysten> <3 rant
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2108[15:07:21] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: what I am doing is showing
python errors like crazy on the terminal when I launch/add the
ACPIBattery for example
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2112[15:07:30] <LtL> R0b0t1: use the web, packages.debian.org
probably.
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2113[15:07:38] <R0b0t1> well, this is a 3rd party repo
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2114[15:07:43] <R0b0t1> I've tried leafing through it to
find the .debs
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2115[15:07:57] <rant> LtL: looks horribly broken at first glance
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2116[15:08:11] <D1rT3M0nE> well, it's running. It threw an
error for a specific module, but I'm not sure that's it.
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2117[15:08:15] <LtL> rant: i expected that, thanks.
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2118[15:08:34] <R0b0t1> sadly it is
replaced-url
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2119[15:08:41] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: thats normal.. try do something
like Launch/Add the Battery applet.. for me it threw a python
traceback
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2120[15:08:56] <D1rT3M0nE> hold on
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2123[15:09:32] <LtL> R0b0t1: dpkg -i package.deb will install a
deb package but it's noy recommended.
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2126[15:09:47] <D1rT3M0nE> if I launch from the gui I get
nothing. You mean I should try to launch from terminal?
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2128[15:10:01] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: yes.. thats what I said :P
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2129[15:10:03] <R0b0t1>
replaced-url
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2130[15:10:05] <leszek> someone an idea how I can use live-build
in docker? It fails even with --privileged as you can see here:
replaced-url
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2131[15:10:18] <D1rT3M0nE> kk, hold on...
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2132[15:10:19] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: launching from the terminal lets
you see the stdout and stderr from the program as you do stuff
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2133[15:10:40] <R0b0t1> LtL: I can install it just fine, I just
can't figure out where the .deb is in the directory structure
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2135[15:10:50] <R0b0t1> (use deb2tar)
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2137[15:11:42] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: I tried to launche/add the
Battery thng and it threw a python traceback.. it also mentions that
its logging to $HOME/.config/Screenlets/ACPIBatteryScreenlet.log
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2140[15:12:32] <LtL> R0b0t1: your local directory? use find
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2144[15:13:26] <D1rT3M0nE> sorry rant, just launching specific
specific widgets from the terminal will take me some time - I need
to go through the folder, not sure which one it is...
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2145[15:13:38] <D1rT3M0nE> god, I stink of noob...
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2147[15:13:41] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: you're misunderstanding me
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2148[15:13:58] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: open a terminal, type screenlets
and press enter.. thats it
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2149[15:14:03] <D1rT3M0nE> ah
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2150[15:14:03] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: then use the GUI same as normal
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2152[15:14:07] <D1rT3M0nE> ok
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2154[15:14:13] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: you will then be able to see the
output in the terminal
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2155[15:14:20] <D1rT3M0nE> AHA
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2156[15:14:27] <D1rT3M0nE> Insight :-)
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2158[15:16:19] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: so far its looking to me like
this is buggy as hell.. first of all the canberra-gtk-module /is/
installed on my system despite that error, and its failing to load
the widgets cause it says that gtk-close is not present in the
theme.. which is also not true
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2163[15:17:26] <D1rT3M0nE> So it says the manager's already
started... if it was already running does it make sense that
additional output won't show in the terminal? Because I see
nothing in the terminal when I try to launch fro the gui...
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2164[15:17:34] <D1rT3M0nE> maybe I need to kill the process and
relaunch?
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2175[15:19:07] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: no, it said that for me too
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2177[15:19:20] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: try launch/add the battery
thing.. the first one
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2178[15:20:09] <rant> there are no bugs filed on the bts against
this.. yet near as I can tell it is horribly broken
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2179[15:20:28] <D1rT3M0nE> nada, nothing at all happens, nothing
in terminal
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2180[15:20:51] <D1rT3M0nE> if you're seeing a python related
error than could it be I'm missing the repository that would
provide that log?
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2184[15:21:43] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: odd.. check the logs in
.config/Screenlets/
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2186[15:21:52] <D1rT3M0nE> kk, hold...
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2189[15:22:28] <rant> the terminal is not a log, its just showing
you the stderr and stdout of the program.. and for me launch/add
that battery thing is throwing a large python traceback
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2192[15:24:47] <D1rT3M0nE> CachingBackend: Loading instances from
cache
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2193[15:24:47] <D1rT3M0nE> Found a running session of
ACPIBattery, adding new instance by service.
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2194[15:24:47] <D1rT3M0nE> Error in
screenlets.services.get_service_by_name:
org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name
org.screenlets.ACPIBattery was not provided by any .service files
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2195[15:24:47] <D1rT3M0nE> Screenlet has already been added to
/tmp/screenlets/screenlets.adam.running
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2196[15:24:47] <D1rT3M0nE> Loading instances in:
/home/adam/.config/Screenlets/ACPIBattery/default/
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2200[15:25:54] <rant> D1rT3M0nE:
replaced-url
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2202[15:26:15] <D1rT3M0nE> nice
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2203[15:26:37] <D1rT3M0nE> must... read... channel guidelines...
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2205[15:27:13] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: on the left you will see a link
that says "Make New Paste" under recent posts, click
that.. then choose the "Browse" button and when the file
dialog comes up, right click in the file list and select "show
hidden files" then goto .config and Screenlets and select
ACPIBattery.log then click ok and click the send button
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2207[15:27:28] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: then copy the url and paste it
here.. to show you're learning to do this right :P
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2208[15:27:44] <D1rT3M0nE> o7
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2215[15:30:39] <D1rT3M0nE>
replaced-url
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2216[15:30:41] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: this is what I'm getting on
my terminal.. as I try launch/add various applets, all are giving
the same errors
replaced-url
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2220[15:31:12] <D1rT3M0nE> rant... you're awesome. Just want
to make sure that's on the record
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2221[15:31:15] <D1rT3M0nE> :-P
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2224[15:31:47] <D1rT3M0nE> So how are you getting all that output
and I'm getting nothing?
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2225[15:31:57] <D1rT3M0nE> I guess it's not important...
point being you think it's broken
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2226[15:32:19] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: idk.. well as far as tracebacks
go this one seems rather simple.. in my case it seems to be a
problem with the theme
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2228[15:32:36] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: as for why you're not
getting any of this, idk..
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2230[15:33:10] <D1rT3M0nE> ok... who knows. At any rate, I think
I'm going to admit defeat on this one and remove it, in the
mean time...
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2232[15:33:34] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: fair enough.. but thats probably
what most people do and why there are no bugs filed against it on
the BTS :P
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2233[15:33:43] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: fwiw this is another way you
could've done that..
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2234[15:34:12] <rant> cat
.config/Screenlets/ACPIBatteryScreenlet.log | nc termbin.com 9999
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2235[15:34:28] <rant> which would've returned a URL on the
command line of your terminal for the paste
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2238[15:35:39] <D1rT3M0nE> Fantastic - I've copied this
stuff into the reference doc I'm creating.
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2239[15:35:45] <D1rT3M0nE> Big help, rant, thanks.
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2241[15:36:00] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: running apps from a terminal is
one of the key first steps in troubleshooting, enabling you to see
their stderr and stdout.. other useful steps are trying things as a
different (or new) user, deleting or renaming their config dir like
~/.gimp-2.8 removing that will make gimp run like the first run..
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2243[15:36:45] <rant> D1rT3M0nE: and of course knowing how to
paste output is important.. more advanced troubleshooting is another
story.. gets a bit more like programming but these things are the
basics
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2245[15:36:59] <D1rT3M0nE> appreciated, boss.
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2246[15:37:12] <D1rT3M0nE> Renaming the config to troubleshoot...
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2248[15:37:31] <D1rT3M0nE> because the program can't find
the config and throws an error?
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2249[15:37:37] <rant> you can rename so you don't /lose/
your config but the program can't find it
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2250[15:37:49] <D1rT3M0nE> right
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2251[15:38:05] <rant> and typically it doesnt cause an error,
what you are doing is letting it run fresh without any config..
ruling out that the user's config /is/ the problem
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2254[15:38:17] <D1rT3M0nE> right, understood.
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2255[15:38:39] <rant> GIMP is a good example cause if you run it
and close the toolboxes, its confusing to figure out how to get them
back.. just deleting ~/.gimp-2.8 makes it reset back to first run
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2256[15:38:39] <D1rT3M0nE> Appreciate your helpful attitude!
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2259[15:39:34] <D1rT3M0nE> ok, gotta run, my daughter is
screaming at me to play BoTW :-) - big thanks!
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2263[15:40:19] <rant> yep
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2265[15:41:07] <rant> someone should probably file a bug against
that screenlets thing :P
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2266[15:41:21] * rant doesn't care enough to
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2267[15:42:24] <rant> though if I play with it outside GNOME3 I
might.. trying to troubleshoot while in GNOME is like a monkey
trying to screw a greased football
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2268[15:42:35] <rant> that damn UI is so annoying and frustrating
to use
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2279[15:46:06] <rant> its like a kiosk or something.. makes
stupid noises, can't seem to keep track of two things at once..
cant even just open a menu and launch an app.. gotta search for it
and wait while it looks for it.. so lame
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2281[15:47:12] <rant> the way they say "I'd like to buy
them a beer" when someone makes something nice.. I'd like
to buy the GNOME3 devs a lit stick of dynamite and just blow that
crapfest to pieces :P
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2308[15:58:00] <DammitJim> I'm trying to continue a debian
installation over ssh
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2312[15:58:27] <DammitJim> but when I ssh installer@<ip>,
the console doesn't show me the window where I select to
continue the installation
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2313[15:58:31] <DammitJim> what could I Be doing wrong?
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2314[15:58:44] <rant> DammitJim: umm.. thats not how ssh works..
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2315[15:59:00] <rant> DammitJim: you'd have to have ran the
install inside something like screen or tmux
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2316[15:59:08] <DammitJim> I already have the machine where
I'm installing debian set for remote install
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2317[15:59:15] <rant> oh.. I never tried that feature
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2319[15:59:25] * rant tests
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2321[15:59:43] <rant> DammitJim: which installer are you using?
you have a link by chance?
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2322[15:59:51] <rant> I will reproduce it in a VM
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2323[16:00:05] <DammitJim> Jan 18 15:00:00 sshd[9978]:
lastlog_openseek: Couldn't stat /var/log/lastlog: No such file
or directory
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2324[16:00:05] <DammitJim> Jan 18 15:00:00 debconf: Setting
debconf/language to en
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2325[16:00:08] <DammitJim> I get lines like that
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2326[16:00:15] <DammitJim> but not the console to pick to
continue the installation
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2327[16:00:20] <DammitJim> rant, I just start the expert install
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2331[16:00:36] <DammitJim> and at some point there is an option
to use a remote console to continue the installation
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2332[16:00:37] <rant> DammitJim: yes but which installer? just
the main link on the frontpage?
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2333[16:00:59] <DammitJim> netinst.iso
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2334[16:01:02] <DammitJim> what do you mean which installer?
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2335[16:01:10] <rant> there are thousands of debian installers
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2336[16:01:19] <rant> ones for bo, rex, buzz... et al..
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2337[16:01:28] <DammitJim> stable
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2338[16:01:28] <rant> official, unofficial, firmware... etc
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2343[16:02:13] <rant> DammitJim: debian 9.6.0 amd64 netinstall?
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2344[16:02:25] <DammitJim> si
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2345[16:02:37] * rant downloads and starts it in VM
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2347[16:02:56] <DammitJim> I wonder if there is a problem with
this laptop...
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2349[16:03:58] <rant> sounds like you're getting connected..
probably just not using it right.. the installer has IIRC 4 VTs
active and I am vaguly aware of the intricacies of using say a dumb
terminal or such
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2350[16:04:07] <rant> sounds to me like you're on the wrong
VT
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2351[16:04:17] <DammitJim> could be
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2352[16:04:22] <rant> I'm cloning my stretch base VM and
booting the iso now..
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2354[16:05:28] <rant> DammitJim: so you booted this and went to
expert install?
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2355[16:06:38] <DammitJim> yes
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2356[16:07:06] <rant> DammitJim: for me to reproduce your
situation I need to get to where you are.. I went through the
language, detect cd.. and I'm at the load components.. which
ones did you load?
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2358[16:07:53] <rant> network-console obviously
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2359[16:08:02] <rant> did you load any of the others?
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2360[16:08:26] <DammitJim> no
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2364[16:08:44] * rant selects network-console and moves on
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2366[16:09:50] <rant> DammitJim: ok so you went as far as
continue install remotely, chose a passwd, and then went to the
other machine then?
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2371[16:11:02] <rant> hmm.. so far mine isnt even picking up the
phone :P
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2372[16:11:03] <DammitJim> yup
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2374[16:11:11] <rant> its just hanging
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2375[16:11:12] <DammitJim> I went as far as: ssh
install@<ip>
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2376[16:11:27] <DammitJim> when I ssh, the system doesn't
give me the expected options to continue the installation
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2377[16:11:35] <rant> yeah it said to do ssh install@10.0.2.15
and its just hanging for me
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2379[16:11:50] <DammitJim> I've done this in the past many
times... so I'm not sure if it's the new machine I'm
trying to configure or if it's debian 9.6
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2380[16:12:07] <rant> which is odd cause the vm is running
locally :P
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2381[16:12:10] <rant> on the same machine
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2387[16:13:56] <DammitJim> you probably can't do that since
a VM sometimes needs a separate bridged interface to connect to it
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2388[16:14:07] <rant> ah, I had to setup a port forward
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2389[16:14:21] <rant> I forwarded the VM IP port 22 to localhost
port 22, its working now
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2390[16:14:32] <rant> it was in NAT mode :P
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2391[16:14:48] <DammitJim> brb
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2393[16:16:29] <rant> yeah I'm gonna reboot my vm.. keeps
sayin password is wrong.. and I am pretty sure I set it to foobar :P
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2398[16:17:32] <rant> I always just installed base and then used
screen to continue.. but w/e.. this should work
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2400[16:18:52] <rant> well wth.. I KNOW I typed foobar this
time.. I made sure..
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2416[16:28:12] <DammitJim> ok
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2417[16:28:14] <DammitJim> sorry about that
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2447[16:40:12] <rant> DammitJim: yeah I got distracted too
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2448[16:40:59] <rant> DammitJim: but what I get now that I
finally got the vm network straight :P Is a dialog that says Start
Installer, Start Installer (Expert Mode), and Shell and it shows
like a serial console would, the 4 VTs at the top
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2452[16:43:24] <rant> DammitJim:
replaced-url
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2453[16:43:53] <rant> right screen is the installer running in
virtualbox, left is local host terminal ssh into the virtualbox
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2456[16:44:28] <rant> erm vice versa.. I'm aggrivated right
now :P
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2461[16:46:27] <DammitJim> yeah, I don't get that
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2462[16:47:00] <rant> you don't even see the 4 VTs at the
top?
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2466[16:49:33] <rant> this came up a while back.. I dont recall
how to switch VT in the console like that
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2468[16:49:59] <rant> I'm googling like crazy and its like
I'm not using the right terminology or something :P
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2469[16:50:10] <rant> tried calling it a serial console cause
thats basically what it is
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2470[16:50:39] <twobitsprite> I'm running Buster, installed
about 8 months ago, and just did an apt dist-upgrade, and now I
can't ssh to any host. Putty works, so I'm 99% sure
it's something with openssh itself. Just exits almost
immediately with "broken pipe". Commented everything out
of ~/.ssh/config. verbose output:
replaced-url
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2471[16:50:46] <twobitsprite> Interestingly, I can ssh to
localhost just fine.
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2472[16:51:03] <twobitsprite> Any help would be appreciated.
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2474[16:51:21] <twobitsprite> Also, I tried purging
openssh-client and re-installing it. No joy.
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2475[16:51:34] <greycat> !debian-next
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2476[16:51:34] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2477[16:51:52] <DammitJim> rant, I see 2 VTs
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2478[16:52:20] <twobitsprite> Oh yeah, I forget about that. When
did that change again? I remember people used to talk about testing,
sid, etc in here...
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2480[16:52:53] <jelly> it never changed?
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2483[16:53:33] <twobitsprite> Even since the Etch/Potato days?
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2484[16:53:43] <twobitsprite> Anyway, seems like #debian-next is
invite only...
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2485[16:53:53] <rant> twobitsprite: lets just for argument sake,
say it changed when Debian left freenode and we stayed :P
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2487[16:54:15] <greycat> *sigh*
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2488[16:54:16] <rant> twobitsprite: #debian-next, like all Debian
channels are on irc.debian.org ( irc.oftc.net )
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2491[16:54:30] <twobitsprite> rant: ooohh... right
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2492[16:54:32] <blackflow> I'm always baffled at the
constant inability of people, especially in technical circles like
this irc chan, to NOT read a very simple sentence about network of
#debian-next
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2493[16:54:39] <rant> twobitsprite: you're on freenode..
those of us who stayed here, support Debian stable
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2494[16:54:46] <blackflow> how the hell did they manage to read a
single manpage and even use linux....
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2496[16:56:14] <rant> yeah well join the club.. greycat is the
founder of that club. :P
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2497[16:57:01] <rant> so do any of the rest of you know how to
change "consoles" on the serial console or D-I
NetworkConsole ?
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2498[16:57:21] <rant> I know thats what the issue DammitJim is
having is.. I just don't remember how to switch them
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2499[16:57:24] <twobitsprite> Maybe a re-wording would help.
"On irc.oftc.net, #debian-next is..."
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2500[16:57:37] <DammitJim> hhhmmmm
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2506[16:58:57] <blackflow> twobitsprite: it's even in *bold*
and with a follow up explanatory sentence that expects people not to
read properly. failsafe that still fails :)
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2509[17:00:14] <rant> yes, we shouldn't really have to
change English grammar and say things backwards just because people
refuse to read two whole sentences
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2511[17:00:30] <twobitsprite> blackflow: failsafe that
doesn't consider the cause of the failure, namely that people
read the first couple of words.
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2512[17:00:40] <greycat> *plonk*
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2513[17:01:06] <twobitsprite> blackflow: *shrug* just saying, if
you're tired of people getting it wrong, maybe a different
approach would reduce confusion.
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2514[17:01:33] <blackflow> twobitsprite: which is totally my
point and why I'm baffled, that supposedly technical people,
using linux which expects you to read complex manpages, can't
read the follow up sentence, even if they forget this is not oftc.
:)
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2518[17:02:25] <twobitsprite> blackflow: well, keep complaining
because I'm sure I won't be the last person to get it
wrong.
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2519[17:02:38] <rant> ok.. lemme say this one time for the cheap
seats.. THIS IS OFF-TOPIC! Feel free to use #debian-offtopic, we
have a user here trying to install debian, and nobody is helping
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2534[17:07:24] <rant> idk.. I'm just googling in circles
here.. idk what to call this shit.. this NetworkConsole in the
Installer via ssh looks like a serial console to me.. but idk what
you'd call the things they mapped the VT to.. but nothing is
saying how to switch them
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2535[17:07:40] <rant> there are two articles about NetworkConsole
on our wiki neither mention how the hell to switch windows
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2536[17:07:48] <rant> maybe thats just what you call em...
windows.. idk
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2538[17:08:43] * rant goes to search the IG
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2540[17:10:08] <uio> I never did end up solving this issue: I
often have to (but not always) run su dhclient to get wifi to
work... How can not have to do this?
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2541[17:10:57] <rant> only thing relevant in the IG seems to say
you can only start one session for the menu, but can start multiple
sessions for shells
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2543[17:11:41] <rant> DammitJim: idk only way I can switch is to
close the ssh and login again and I get that menu I showed you
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2544[17:12:42] <rant> uio: you're gonna have to be a whole
lot more specific.. are you using network-manager? are you checking
logs? dmesg?
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2546[17:13:10] <DammitJim> it doesn't show me the menu to
begin with
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2547[17:13:22] <rant> shows it to me every time I ssh into the
machine
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2549[17:14:00] <uio> rant, NetworkManager
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2550[17:14:01] <rant> DammitJim: the IG does say you can only
have the menu on one.. so perhaps you already have it somewhere
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2551[17:14:13] <DammitJim> oh
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2552[17:14:15] <uio> rant, I don't know about logs or dmseg
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2553[17:14:17] <DammitJim> only 1 machine
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2554[17:14:27] <DammitJim> maybe I wasn't supposed to touch
the laptop where I'm installing debian?
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2555[17:14:49] <rant>
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2557[17:15:11] <rant> "After the login you will be presented
with an initial screen where you have two possibilities called Start
menu and Start shell. The former brings you to the main installer
menu, where you can continue with the installation as usual. The
latter starts a shell from which you can examine and possibly fix
the remote system. You should only start one SSH session for the
installation menu, but may start multiple
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2558[17:15:17] <rant> sessions for shells."
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2561[17:17:47] <rant> idk I just opened up two tabs and ssh to
the installer in both of them and I am on (1*installer) with that
Configuring d-i thing like in my screenshot
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2562[17:18:03] <rant> does that every time I ssh in, even if
I'm already connected
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2563[17:18:45] <rant> I'm pretty sure serial console works
like this too and there is a way to switch between those 4
"windows" or whatever they are.. but idk how..
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2565[17:19:19] <rant> this is the same way the installer works
locally.. with a dialog/gui, two shells, and a log
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2566[17:19:33] <rant> you seem to be stuck on the log window
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2567[17:19:53] <rant> for me, when I wound up there, a ctrl+c
seemed to get me to the shell
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2570[17:20:03] <rant> but only way I am able to get to the menu
is to login again
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2572[17:20:21] <rant> and nobody else seems to be chiming in here
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2574[17:21:07] <uio> rant, Oh don't worry, I'm here.
And I'm a big help :)
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2576[17:22:25] <rant> yeah, I bet.. if he wants to lose some
screws or unplug his monitor cable
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2579[17:24:19] <rant> Its real obvious this NetworkConsole is
highly used.. the IG doesnt describe it accurately and nobody seems
to know about it
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2580[17:25:06] <rant> the choices are "Start
installer", "Start installer (expert mode)", and
"Start shell" not "Start menu" and "Start
shell" like IG says
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2582[17:25:22] <uio> rant, lol. I still haven't found the
missing one.
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2633[17:54:14] <leszek> issue seems to be in debootstrap. Causing
the /proc of the docker instance to umount hence failing in
live-build stage umount stuff as /proc/mounts is missing. Commenting
out the following helps:
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2661[18:10:27] <ewl> fn
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2664[18:12:05] <LtL> uio: what are you looking for?
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2668[18:13:05] <LtL> uio: su dhclient is not the
'proper' way to obtain wifi
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2673[18:15:21] <uio> LtL, But it works....
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2675[18:15:44] <joze> wer?
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2676[18:15:56] <LtL> uio: are you on stable, and which desktop?
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2677[18:16:02] <uio> LtL, What should I do instead? The widget
says it's connected but it won't connect until I do su
dhclient
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2678[18:16:05] <Nematocyst> running debian-installer from serial
console. want to use a filesystem not included by default (nilfs2 in
my case). I'm at a shell, is there a way to d/l and get the
proper modules so I can make the filesystem? neither apt nor apt-get
work
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2679[18:16:10] <uio> LXDE stable
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2680[18:16:39] <LtL> uio: what does 'systemctl status
NetworkManager.service' say ... you don't need root at
this point
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2683[18:17:45] <uio> LtL, It's working now, but here:
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2684[18:18:18] <LtL> uio: it should say active, running
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2686[18:18:39] <uio>
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2687[18:21:10] <LtL> uio: that looks fine, how did you install
and did you install what is needed. as root check/type 'less
/var/log/syslog' see what the system is up to
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2688[18:21:35] <LtL> uio: spacebar to go through pages
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2694[18:22:01] <uio1> LtL, How does it look?
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2699[18:22:53] <uio1> LtL, I just don't get why I sometimes
have to run su dhclient...
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2702[18:23:19] <LtL> uio1: try this command instead, sudo
systemctl restart NetworkManager.service
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2703[18:23:36] <LtL> uio1: the paste looks fine
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2705[18:24:00] <InvisibleRasta> is there a guide on how to
bootstrap debian from archlinux?
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2706[18:24:05] <uio1> voilà
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2708[18:24:11] <uio1> done
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2710[18:24:19] <LtL> uio1: with 'ps aux' as root, do
you have multiple instances of dhclient?
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2715[18:25:59] <LtL> uio1: actually you don't need root you
should see /sbin/dhclient lots-of-stuff here
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2716[18:26:12] <uio1> just one
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2719[18:26:31] <LtL> uio1: ok, so what's the problem
exactly?
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2726[18:27:33] <uio1> well, now for example firefox isn't
connecting
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2727[18:27:50] <uio1> but if I run su dhclient I think it will...
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2730[18:28:18] <uio1> yep
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2731[18:28:19] <LtL> uio1: sudo dhclient if you insist
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2732[18:28:22] <uio1> That solved it.
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2735[18:28:47] <uio1> [I was already in su]
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2736[18:28:54] <LtL> uio1: check dmesg see what and why
you're disconnecting
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2738[18:29:15] <uio1> So, if I restart the network, like with the
command you gave me, then firefox cannot access the internet.
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2740[18:29:22] <LtL> uio1: if you were root using su is redundant
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2742[18:29:44] <LtL> uio1: syslog or dmesg will probably say why
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2745[18:30:15] <uio1> I wasn't
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2747[18:30:27] <LtL> uio1: check firefox network settings,
something is messed up.
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2749[18:32:48] <uio1> LtL,
replaced-url
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2750[18:33:16] <uio1> LtL, Got to go... if you're here a
while later, maybe can continue. Thanks for all your help anyway!
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2754[18:34:19] <LtL> uio1: i see issues in dmesg
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2758[18:39:43] <overclock> sup
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2760[18:39:48] <fling> How to install cura 3.6?
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2767[18:40:49] <bites> fling: by using the appimage from
ultimaker.
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2777[18:44:11] <fanta7531> I just installed buster and can't
the usermod command, was it removed?
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2778[18:44:19] <fanta7531> can't find
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2784[18:45:36] <LtL> !debian-next
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2785[18:45:37] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2786[18:46:06] <LtL> fanta7531: you might try #debian-next on
OFTC
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2789[18:46:24] <greycat> fanta7531: most likely you used
"su" which has changed in buster and no longer sets PATH
for you
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2791[18:46:49] <fanta7531> yes exactly, sorry, stupid mistake
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2793[18:47:20] <LtL> fanta7531: not at all
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2795[18:47:22] <fanta7531> it did not set the PATH
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2800[18:48:45] <jhutchins_wk> fanta7531: su -
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2802[18:49:09] <greycat> (one of the right answers, but not the
only one)
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2815[18:56:18] <rwp> I see people with the su & PATH issue
but I never knew su set PATH previously and it seems wrong that it
would do so. It's not supposed to. So I am glad of the new
correct behavior in Buster.
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2818[18:57:56] <greycat> It's a change from Debian's
previous behavior, so it *is* going to surprise people, and it *is*
going to break things.
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2819[18:58:33] <greycat> Near as I can tell, they don't
care. The decision was based on "using code base X instead of
code base Q because code base Q is no longer supported
upstream".
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2840[19:11:20] <karlpinc> So, the change with buster is that su
(by itself) used to set PATH, but as of buster it no longer does.
(Unless you do su -.) Correct?
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2843[19:13:53] <greycat> "su -" being just one of the
possible solutions, yes.
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2851[19:15:31] <uio1> Ltl What do you see?
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2855[19:18:28] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: I think we discussed the
fact that you prefer the new behavior of just "su". How do
you get that effect on the versions that emulate "su -"?
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2856[19:19:06] <greycat> I... don't understand the question.
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2861[19:19:41] <greycat> I am personally fond of the way Debian 9
and earlier work.
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2874[19:24:51] * karlpinc has vague memories of switching from
"su" to "su -" in order to get $PATH set. But
that was probably mid-90's or before. And wasn't debian.
May not have been Linux.
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2875[19:25:22] <greycat> The "su -" thing is common
among Red Hatters, because that's the code base that buster is
switching to.
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2876[19:25:27] <LtL> uio1: paste one line of 'lspci' of
your wireless device to the channel
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2878[19:25:38] <greycat> Legacy commercial unixes vary. Some of
them change PATH on su, some do not.
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2879[19:25:39] <karlpinc> If it was linux it would have been
slackware.
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2880[19:27:02] <LtL> uio1: and pastebin 'ip a'
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2881[19:27:30] <uio1> LtL, 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation
Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory Controller Hub (rev 0c)
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2883[19:27:56] <greycat> doesn't look like a wireless
interface
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2886[19:28:11] <LtL> uio1: pastebin entire 'lspci -nn'
and 'ip a'
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2887[19:28:18] <uio1>
replaced-url
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replaced-url
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2899[19:31:55] <LtL> uio1: is your wifi usb?
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2901[19:33:03] <uio1> LtL, Nope, I'm on a ThinkPad X61
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2905[19:34:15] <LtL> uio1: try 'dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi ;
any ouput?
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2906[19:34:51] <LtL> uio1: try 'dpkg -l
firmware-iwlwifi'
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2907[19:35:02] <uio1> ii firmware-iwlwifi 20161130-4 all Binary
firmware for Intel Wireless cards
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2913[19:36:57] <LtL> uio1: this dmesg line is unusual; [
5763.900133] wls3: HW problem - can not stop rx aggregation for
4e:28:e3:82:8e:c8 tid 0
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2916[19:37:50] <LtL> uio1: have you rebooted since installing
that firmware
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2917[19:38:01] <uio1> LtL, Yes, many times.
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2919[19:38:13] <aaii> How i can start tor in debian?
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2923[19:38:50] <LtL> uio1: I don't understand what is going
on.
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2927[19:39:36] <aaii> I mean run tor in debain
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2931[19:41:50] <uio1> LtL, Okay...
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2932[19:41:58] <uio1> LtL, Well, thanks for trying!
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2933[19:42:24] <LtL> uio1: Sorry i couldn't help
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2934[19:42:49] <uio1> LtL, No worries, I have the su dhclient
workaround :)
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2935[19:43:04] <uio1> Well, cheers Free World.
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2943[19:44:19] <LtL> uiit's odd your wifi hardware
doesn't appear in lspci
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2951[19:47:47] <greycat> Is it by chance a USB device? If so, it
might be in lsusb instead.
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2952[19:48:02] <jmcnaught> the wifi was on line 19 of their
paste, but they're gone now
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2959[19:52:45] <t3st3r> aaii> what's your problem with
tor? Just install it as any other package and it would usually even
would start on its own.
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2962[19:53:33] <aaii> t3st3r, just stop at [notice] Bootstrapped
57%: Loading relay descriptors and didnt run completely
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2963[19:54:10] <aaii> t3st3r, and when it 100, My ip didnt change
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2964[19:54:28] <t3st3r> If it "bootstrapping 57%", it
means what it tells, tor downloads descriptors. It can eventually
take some moments.
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2966[19:54:51] <LtL> jmcnaught: i missed that, thanks
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2967[19:55:07] <t3st3r> When it 100% ... you have socks 5 proxy
at 127.0.0.1:9050 by default...
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2969[19:56:09] <aaii> t3st3r, so it shouldnt change ip? :|
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2970[19:56:22] <t3st3r> That one isn't a "proxy",
just a way to talk to tor daemon. Using it in programs would make
programs accessing net via tor, appearing from other IPs.
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2971[19:56:31] <t3st3r> Feel free to whois me... :)
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2972[19:57:32] <aaii> so How i can change ip with tor?
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2973[19:58:18] <t3st3r> Make programs using it socks5 proxy. Or
use torify (or torsocks) to make it happen for (TCP) programs that
do not know about socks proxies.
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2974[19:58:58] <t3st3r> Say pointing browser that socks5 would
ensure browser talks through this proxy - as the result via tor.
Same idea everywhere.
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2975[19:59:32] <t3st3r> It does not changes "external"
ip globally, but still makes traffic appear from other IPs.
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2977[19:59:58] <aaii> t3st3r, so how i can torify? In debian
packages maybe auto then?
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2978[20:00:01] <t3st3r> It is not VPN - it slightly different.
But works and does what it meant to.
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2979[20:00:05] <aaii> *auto do torify
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2981[20:01:35] <t3st3r> I set up programs to use socks proxy.
More recent tor also emulates HTTP proxy for more picky programs.
Torify uses trick to preload library. You can probably preload it in
a forced way for everything.
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2983[20:01:45] <t3st3r> But it would make some strange bugs.
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2984[20:02:19] <t3st3r> As one thing tor does not talks UDP, not
at all. That could bite, for example.
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2985[20:02:21] <whislock> aaii: Just understand that neither Tor
nor commercial VPN services provide any real security or anonymity.
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2988[20:02:48] <t3st3r> Tor does provides some security and
anonimity if you use it right.
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2989[20:03:18] <aaii> whislock, i know , i just want use tor as a
ip changer
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2991[20:03:23] <t3st3r> However using things in secure and
anonymous way is a bit more complicated than just installing 1
program and hoping for the best.
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2993[20:04:02] <t3st3r> there is also nothing wrong in combining
tor and vpn, it raises bar a bit.
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2994[20:04:36] <aaii> t3st3r, so you think i should do what for
torify now? (i mean if you see tail os.in that os maybe some package
doing torify auto)
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2995[20:04:46] <whislock> Sadly, neither of those claims pan out.
It is not difficult to deanonymize Tor and VPN users, even if you
use both.
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2997[20:05:24] <t3st3r> whislock> well it depends on users,
what they do and so on.
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2998[20:05:29] <whislock> aaii: I just give that out as a blanket
warning any time I see people using this stuff. They advertise
themselves as privacy panaceas, when they're not.
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3000[20:05:46] <t3st3r> If one being creative and uses tor as
part of solution, it could hurt tracking a lot.
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3001[20:06:02] <AK_> dpkg: error processing package nginx-full
(--configure):
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3002[20:06:03] <dpkg> ak_: That isn't an error, post the
whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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3003[20:06:04] <AK_> subprocess installed post-installation
script returned error exit status 1
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3004[20:06:05] <whislock> t3st3r: Sure, and the overwhelming
majority don't know how to avoid behaviors that screw up the
anonymity aspect. And it's not the user's fault -
everything tracks everything these days.
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3005[20:06:08] <aaii> whislock, ok, thanks
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3006[20:06:11] <t3st3r> Tor isn't panacea - but it still got
some useful properties.
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3007[20:06:38] <whislock> t3st3r: Sure, I'm just trying to
counter the "popular opinion." I'm not saying
it's useless - I just want to paint a more realistic picture of
what it CAN do.
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3008[20:07:12] <whislock> Less so with Tor than commercial
"VPN" (read: glorified proxy) services.
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3009[20:07:25] <t3st3r> whislock> yea I've got your idea.
But look, say in my setup SW is denied talking to net directly, to
begin with. And then carefully tunneled. Only few programs.
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3011[20:07:54] <whislock> t3st3r: In most cases, it's the
client app itself that breaks anonymity.
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3013[20:08:58] <t3st3r> It could be a problem, too. However tor
screws bulk data collection by ISP or naive attempts of destinations
to track "easy" way on basis of IP, country and so on.
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3014[20:09:13] <whislock> That's not how most tracking is
done, though.
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3015[20:09:28] <whislock> If you use a browser that isn't
meticulously configured, you are NOT anonymous, even if you're
running it through Tor.
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3016[20:10:09] <t3st3r> Sure, tor wouldnt help much if you log in
to e.g. gmail under own account, stay logged, forget to delete
cookies and so ... google knows everywhere you is you, tor or not.
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3017[20:10:54] <t3st3r> So one better to be good in networking to
begin with and inform self about protocols, etc.
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3019[20:11:08] <whislock> The point is being missed - browsers
*themselves* screw anonymity. It's more than IPs, cookies, etc.
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3020[20:11:14] <t3st3r> For me I just launch empty VM with brand
new fresh browser once in a while :D
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3021[20:11:37] <BCMM> whislock: on "behaviors that screw up
the anonymity aspect", didn't the Silk Road guy get busted
because he re-used a username he'd used on the clearnet?
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3023[20:12:11] <whislock> BCMM: Potentially. There's also
traffic correlation - browsing patterns observed across sites based
on tracking IDs.
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3024[20:12:12] <BCMM> i mean, if somebody like that can make a
simple slip up like that, what chance do regular folk have?
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3025[20:12:28] <t3st3r> If I remember that nut used same email
everywhere and even bragged about his alma mater. So police do not
even had to hack tor... :D
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3026[20:12:47] <whislock> t3st3r: They got him by correlating and
deanonymizing his traffic.
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3027[20:12:55] <AK_>
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3030[20:13:06] <whislock> And if you think various governments
aren't operating Tor exit nodes specifically to perform traffic
correlation, you're naive.
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3031[20:13:12] <t3st3r> whislock> I've read his case and
details on investigation.
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3032[20:13:21] <whislock> t3st3r: So have I.
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3033[20:13:42] <at0m> if you want to know what you're giving
away via your browser,
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3034[20:13:47] <t3st3r> Just out of curiosity what one could
expect if being a high-profile bastard. It has been interesting case
study after all.
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3035[20:13:55] <BCMM> whislock: some traffic correlation is
*really* straightforwards, too. there was that time a student made a
bomb threat to get out of an exam, and they pretty quickly arrested
the only person in that exam who was on Tor at the time of the
threat...
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3036[20:14:32] <t3st3r> And key fault seems to be using same
email everywhere and sticking all that to shadow forum identity.
Rather unwise action if one is to kick wasp nest.
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3037[20:14:33] <whislock> I was also fortunate enough in a past
job have exposure to more sensitive information regarding
government-level anti-Tor technical measures.
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3038[20:14:48] <whislock> It's really fascinating stuff.
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3041[20:15:29] <t3st3r> whislock> I do know about some
fascinating stuff thanks to all funny leaks.
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3047[20:17:09] <t3st3r> but yeah one have to understand that if
they get too annoying then can face a very potent threats. Threats
that are very hard to dodge.
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3048[20:17:24] <at0m> also, #debian-offtopic
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3055[20:20:11] <AK_> is it #tor?
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3057[20:21:46] <t3st3r> its rather funny - freenode has been
rather tor-unfriendly for a while, seems tor moved away,,,
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3059[20:22:17] <t3st3r> So it redirects to ##nottor which topic
tells where to go.
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3061[20:23:36] <t3st3r> at0m> humm nice version btw :)
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3065[20:26:34] <at0m> t3st3r: #tor on OFTC
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3066[20:27:48] <jhutchins_wk> #debian-offtopic here.
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3076[20:33:41] <buttros_> Hello! How can I configure locale from
the terminal? I need to setup formats in Greek but keep system
language in English. Thanks!
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3078[20:34:20] <greycat> !locale
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3079[20:34:20] <dpkg> A locale is a set of rules for presenting
information to humans according to local conventions (date format,
thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales>
to establish on a Debian system.
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3081[20:34:26] <rant> !locales
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3082[20:34:27] <dpkg> Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to
get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and
also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment
variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the
output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised
errors>. See also <mac locales>.
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3139[21:06:03] <radulence84> hello
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3141[21:07:31] <radulence84> i have one question
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3143[21:07:40] <radulence84> i installed debian strech
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3144[21:08:01] <radulence84> now i need to have installed serbian
keyboard
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3145[21:08:15] <radulence84> how i can install serbian keyboard
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3149[21:08:39] <radulence84> so i can choose between serbian and
english keyboard layout
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3150[21:08:56] <radulence84> if there is someone from serbia
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3152[21:09:06] <radulence84> please write to me on private
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3154[21:09:11] <radulence84> message
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3176[21:24:12] <whislock> radulence84: Asking for private help is
generally frowned upon. If someone in here knows how to help,
they'll answer here.
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3186[21:29:04] <SlidingHorn> radulence84: instructions for
setting the keyboard layout are here:
replaced-url
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3200[21:35:09] <shellclear> Hi , I dont know if here is the place
correct to this question, if not, sorry. I need to remove default
acl from directory and subdirectories. I already tried setfacl -Rb
dirname, setfacl -Rb dirname but nothing works. does someone knows
what can I do to solve this?
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3214[21:40:24] <whislock> shellclear: What are you trying to
accomplish, and what are the current acls?
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3223[21:43:00] <dckusr> hi, any developers channel here ?
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3226[21:43:49] <shellclear> whislock: output from getfacl command
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3228[21:44:13] <dckusr> how can we get the package python-opencv
to not install X ? most people use opencv for non gui stuff
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3229[21:44:22] <dckusr> maybe have someting like
python-opencv-gui for those who want it ?
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3231[21:44:59] <shellclear> all subdirectories have the same
default acl and I need to remove it from subdirs
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3232[21:45:38] <whislock> shellclear: Try setfacl -Rk <dir>
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3233[21:45:48] <shellclear> the problem is when I remove from
directories the parent directory recovery the default acl again...
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3235[21:46:35] <whislock> -k should be removing default ACLs.
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3237[21:47:50] <shellclear> after to run setfacl -Rk default
permissions still there
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3265[22:01:44] <jhutchins_wk> radkos: Sorry.
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