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4 [00:01:27] <dfrey> Verity: So is it correct that you are
running out of RAM when youcompleteme is trying to parse your code?
5 [00:01:40] <dfrey> Or is it when you are trying to build
youcompleteme?
6 [00:01:48] <Verity> when I try to build youcompleteme
7 [00:01:52] <Verity> following official full instructions
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9 [00:02:12] <Verity> at the step of cmake --build . --target
ycm_core --config Release
10 [00:02:17] <Verity> I have only 128mb ram on my vps
11 [00:02:21] <Verity> and it kills the compiler
12 [00:02:26] <Verity> I've been told I can't add swap
13 [00:02:55] <missmbob> not going to happen. as you've
already been told
14 [00:02:58] <dfrey> Verity: So why can't you compile
youcompleteme on a different machine and then upload it to the VCS
15 [00:03:16] <dfrey> err vps
16 [00:03:23] <Verity> how would I even begin to do that?
17 [00:03:38] <Verity> I can only follow these instructions step
by step and hope it works
18 [00:03:44] <Verity> I barely understand these commands
19 [00:03:57] <Verity> I'm not sure what folders or files I
would need to xfer
20 [00:04:02] <Verity> and if it could be built on another
machine
21 [00:04:07] <Verity> doesnt it need to be the one it will run
on?
22 [00:04:13] <Verity> otherwise why dont they just prebuild
it?/
23 [00:04:21] <Verity> and what is vim-youcompleteme package
24 [00:04:24] <Verity> should I be using that?
25 [00:04:27] <Verity> if so, does anyone know how?
26 [00:04:30] <Verity> Any help much appreciated
27 [00:04:31] <Verity> -Verity
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38 [00:07:29] <dfrey> Verity: I'm not really sure what the
build process is like for youcompleteme, but in theory it should be
possible to build it on another machine.
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55 [00:10:38] <Verity> dfrey, this is th eprocess
56 [00:10:45] <Verity> 1. dl binaries of clang
57 [00:11:06] <somiaj> TechSmurf: I would still plan to reboot
sometime in the future due to security issues
58 [00:11:11] <Verity> cmake -G "Unix Makefiles"
-DPATH_TO_LLVM_ROOT=~/ycm_temp/llvm_root_dir .
~/.vim/bundle/youcompleteme/third_party/ycmd/cpp
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61 [00:11:27] <Verity> cmake --build . --target ycm_core
--config Release
62 [00:11:30] <Verity> thats it, dfrey
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70 [00:13:17] <dfrey> Verity: maybe you have already covered
this, but why don't you just install the vim-youcompleteme
package?
71 [00:13:26] <Verity> I wasnt sure if it was up to date
72 [00:13:28] <Verity> and it seemed to not work
73 [00:13:34] <Verity> I was also worrried it might conflict
with vundle
74 [00:13:38] <Verity> and the mystery
75 [00:13:42] <Verity> what did it do if I install it
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87 [00:16:16] <dfrey> Verity: Well it's probably not up to
date. It will install in a system-wide directory wheras vundle will
be in a user-specific directory so I don't see what the
conflict would be
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104 [00:18:27] <Verity> it almost seems simpler to just pay the 5
dollars
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234 [00:47:50] <unborn> do I have to be in chan to ask judd
question regards the packages or I can leave?
235 [00:47:56] <unborn> anyone knows?
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238 [00:48:27] <bazhang> open a PM?
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240 [00:49:27] <unborn> bazhang: of course..
241 [00:49:39] <bazhang> yw
242 [00:49:40] <unborn> thank you for your help
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257 [01:01:22] <disi> is this considered a valid entry in
/etc/group? hadoop:x:1035:,hdfs,mapred
258 [01:01:27] <disi> (note the leading comma)
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335 [01:37:18] <miomio9090> sera chi parla italiano
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338 [01:38:16] <miomio9090> I need info who speaks Italian
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350 [01:47:30] <tharkun> Aloha, I am having this isue. I
can't make a printer work it is an HP-LaserJet-P1006 regardless
of what I do. cupsenable is of no use and the 631 site is not
working either. Any extra suggestions
351 [01:47:41] <tharkun> Yes, I believe printers smell fear.
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354 [01:48:07] <AndroUser> Lol
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368 [01:54:18] <tharkun> Is there a way to get any extra
information out of the printer?
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380 [01:58:05] <fishsticks> torture might work
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384 [01:59:55] <tharkun> fishsticks: Believe me I've tried.
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388 [02:00:41] <psychoticwarrior> nice name fishsticks
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390 [02:00:50] <fishsticks> how are you connecting to it usb or
lpt?
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393 [02:01:09] <fishsticks> cheers psychoticwarrior
394 [02:01:29] <OerHeks> tharkun, is your user member of the lp
group?
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401 [02:02:48] <fishsticks> Have you installed the printer driver
tharkun?
replaced-url
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406 [02:04:15] <tharkun> OerHeks: The printer used to print fine.
It doesn't work now. And I haven't got a clue on wtf is
wrong
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410 [02:04:45] <tharkun> fishsticks: ^^
411 [02:05:08] <psychoticwarrior> try going to settings then find
printer
412 [02:05:19] <psychoticwarrior> maybe that will work
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415 [02:05:41] <tharkun> psychoticwarrior: How do I invoke
settings?
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417 [02:06:02] <psychoticwarrior> well im currently using kali
linuyx
418 [02:06:10] <psychoticwarrior> linux
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425 [02:07:19] <tharkun> psychoticwarrior: I am using notion as a
wm so there is really no way I can figure how to invoke printer
settings from the cli
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431 [02:08:14] <fishsticks> system-config-printer
432 [02:08:22] <somiaj> tharkun: I just use a webbrowser with
cups
433 [02:08:29] <somiaj> localhost:631 or something like that
434 [02:08:51] <OerHeks> tharkun, oke, what is the output of:
service cups status
435 [02:09:03] <OerHeks> as :631 did not work for you
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438 [02:10:28] <TechSmurf> Not debian-specific, but #linux is mum
on the issue: Having fun trying to reassemble a raid. For some
reason all the drives are being marked spare: mdadm -A /dev/md0
/dev/sdo3 /dev/sdn3 /dev/sdl3 /dev/sdm3 -> mdadm: /dev/md0
assembled from 1 drive (out of 4), but not started. ->
/proc/mdstat: md0 : inactive sdo3[0](S) sdm3[3](S) sdl3[2](S)
sdn3[1](S)
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440 [02:11:34] <TechSmurf> oooooohhhh nvm, I know why it's
borked
441 [02:11:49] <TechSmurf> all the drives were failed out once at
a time to grow the array with new bigger drives
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444 [02:13:00] <fishsticks> Problems fixed that quickly are the
best TechSmurf
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450 [02:15:54] <pos> I'm getting a bad sector on an md
array. can I easily find out which member disk houses the specific
bad block?
451 [02:16:00] <tharkun> OerHeks: Mar 07 20:18:16 tharkun
hp[5793]: prnt/backend/hp.c 376: read new pjl status: 10209
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453 [02:16:18] <tharkun> I believe that is the most relevant line
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460 [02:18:14] <tharkun> And now Mar 07 20:22:40 tharkun
systemd[1]: Started CUPS Printing Service. and it will not print a
single page.
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462 [02:18:58] <tharkun> And all of the sudden it started
printing. WTF. :(
463 [02:19:20] <OerHeks> wicked
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465 [02:19:48] <bobolo> hi, i got a problem to set my iptables
cloudinternet <--> router (192.168.1.1)<--->eth0 (server
192.168.1.2)<--proxy--wlan0(10.42.0.1set as HotSpot )-> n.
clients. Asking how to squid proxy port 3128 to redirect net traffic
to wlan . tnx
466 [02:20:28] <tharkun> bobolo: iptables-save so you can see
what you are doing and paste it somewhere
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468 [02:20:47] <bobolo> i m gonna dobrb
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470 [02:21:55] <tharkun> OerHeks: It sensed your deep
black-magick knowledge. It is working now like a charm. Thanks for
the Universal Chakra Alignment. rotfl
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474 [02:22:51] <OerHeks> tharkun, grinn, still have no clue what
was holding back
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478 [02:23:57] <tharkun> I haven't got the slightest idea.
It is working now so everything is fine with me. I believe pinters
smell the urgency and fear then they simply will stop working out of
the blue.
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487 [02:29:10] <psychoticwarrior> printers blow
488 [02:29:16] <psychoticwarrior> i hate working with them
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498 [02:35:33] <psychoticwarrior> crack baby cocks lob
499 [02:35:36] <psychoticwarrior> cock slob
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502 [02:38:07] <bobolo> to tharkun:
replaced-url
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511 [02:45:10] <somiaj> psychoticwarrior: do you have an actual
debian specific question? Also in general keep comments like your
last ones to yourself
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546 [03:08:10] <AciD`> anybody here managed to change the default
color of the numix folders (provided by the numix-icon-theme
package)?
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563 [03:16:06] <tharkun> bobolo: I'm kind of in a hurry
today. There is this #netfilter lots of people there that can lend
you a hand.
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566 [03:16:35] <bobolo> tnx
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575 [03:20:26] <awal1> AciD`. numix icons are nice but that
orange default color I don't like it :P
576 [03:20:40] <AciD`> awal1 -> I know right
577 [03:20:53] <AciD`> but apparently there are plenty of other
colors provided b
578 [03:20:57] <AciD`> by the package
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580 [03:21:12] <AciD`> and you should even be able to change it
with that :
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583 [03:24:06] <awal1> good if upstream is working on a gui for
change colors
584 [03:24:48] <awal1> but I personally use/prefer tango icons
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587 [03:28:13] <psychoticwarrior> are there any tranny chasers
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649 [04:07:44] <mbroe>
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659 [04:11:03] <Verity> cant there just be some way, plz?
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676 [04:24:43] <mbroe> @Verity To what are you referring?
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679 [04:26:17] <Verity> to compile with only 128mb ram
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692 [04:34:11] <st3fann> Hi there, I am making an OpenVZ template
from a debian minimal install, and I noticed that all of the
packages I installed are stored in .deb files at /var/cache/apt, and
I wanted to know if these are safe to delete
693 [04:34:27] <st3fann> I did run apt-get clean and apt-get
autoclean, but this did not seem to remove the files.
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697 [04:37:03] <st3fann> anyone?
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709 [04:49:55] <DHowett> "A new version
(/run/samba/upgrades/smb.conf) of configuration file
/etc/samba/smb.conf is available". It seems like a poor design
that a very, very site-specific config file can be wiped out by a
misplaced config update ;P
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734 [05:13:29] <Delf> st3fann: aptitude clean
735 [05:14:07] <st3fann> Delf: thanks, I ended up getting a reply
in #ubuntu-server and just ended up deleting the .deb files
individually, and apt-get seems to be working fine :)
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754 [05:25:45] <jnoah> for stretch, will debian stable have
firfox 52?
755 [05:26:59] <jnoah> (fx 52 is the latest stable esr as of
today)
756 [05:27:15] <jnoah> (er, today in the US, that is)
757 [05:27:23] <hosayn_> boot dabian iso by grub2 menuentry from
ntfs partition.is it possible?
758 [05:27:42] <jnoah> yes
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886 [07:19:36] <Digz> I'm looking to install a web based
file server with username/password security that can be accessed
from the web.... i've been looking at freenas (which obviously
isn't debian), openmediavault, owncloud, all offering their own
powers....but what else is out there?
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900 [07:29:09] <ambient> Who here is a Debian badass?
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906 [07:31:28] <ambient> I am trying to move from Stable to Sid
in Debian and ran out of space on my device and am trying to remove
some of the older programs to make space. Here is the issue I have:
replaced-url
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910 [07:32:00] <ambient> I want to know if this can be fixed
without having to reinstall, hence my request for Debian BAdass who
knows her/his way around a reinstall
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923 [07:36:20] <ambient> Or d'you suppose it is a lost
cause?
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976 [08:05:13] <ambient> real lively here.
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979 [08:05:59] <gs6> Hey
980 [08:06:04] <gs6> I booted a livecd with gnome
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982 [08:06:16] <gs6> It doesn't let me set the resolution
higher than 1024x768
983 [08:06:25] <gs6> My monitor is 1080p
984 [08:06:48] <gs6> I guess graphics card drivers aren't
installed, but I should still be able to use integrated graphics,
right?
985 [08:06:55] <password4> gs6: with what type of cable are you
conencting to your monitor?
986 [08:07:00] <gs6> uh
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988 [08:07:28] <gs6> password4: DVI
989 [08:07:31] <AciD`> ambient -> always
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991 [08:08:16] <gs6> I wonder if I have to switch to integrated
graphics in my BIOS
992 [08:08:31] <AciD`> this must be the channel where the ratio
lines written by hour/# user connected should be the lowest on
Freenode :>
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994 [08:08:42] <gs6> Nah, that can't be right
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996 [08:08:58] <gs6> Because I wouldn't see anything at all
if it wasn't able to use some kind of graphics
997 [08:09:03] <AciD`> (I the ratio question asked/answer given
tens toward infinity ;P)
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1000 [08:09:20] <AciD`> s/tens/goes/
1001 [08:09:41] <gs6> Why didn't you s/tens/tends
1002 [08:09:51] <gs6> Clearly that's what you originally
intended
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1006 [08:11:18] <gs6> Oh, btw
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1008 [08:11:38] <gs6> If I go to Settings -> Displays it says
"Unknown Display"
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1011 [08:12:10] <gs6> And it has a fixed 4:3 aspect ratio and
1024x760 or 800x600 as the only resolution choices
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1016 [08:14:06] <password4> So I've installed Awesome window
manager to my debian virtual box , but how do i get the option to
log in with awesome to be added at teh log in prompt?
1017 [08:14:16] <password4> currently only gnome and cinnamon is
listed
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1022 [08:17:06] <password4> what file do i edit where?
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1029 [08:20:01] <gs6> ANYONE?
1030 [08:20:18] <gs6> This channel has over 1600 nicks
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1032 [08:20:41] <gs6> I guess this is just a popular place to idle
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1039 [08:26:53] <password4> gs6: if i was at home I would have
been able to show you how to force it
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1041 [08:27:03] <gs6> password4: With xrandr?
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1044 [08:27:26] <User284> hello guys, i am facing a problem with
zfs-fuse similar to this
replaced-url
1045 [08:27:27] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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1048 [08:28:35] <password4> yeah
1049 [08:28:39] <password4> amongst others
1050 [08:28:42] <rgr> The wiki on Debian ipv6 method to turn off
ipv6 isn't working. Debian Stretch (I know). Hints?
1051 [08:28:44] <password4> theres a gui too
1052 [08:29:54] <password4> oh ArandR
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1055 [08:30:21] <password4> but your issue may be something else
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1080 [08:35:46] <password4> oh goody , i got awesome working
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1099 [08:52:05] <password4> meh
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1106 [08:53:41] <mtcj> TWM master race
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1120 [09:01:34] <rgr> The only way I could stop networkmanager
rewriting resolv.conf and recreating a link to
/var/run/NewtowkManager/resolv.con was to create my own resolv.conf
(minus the router's DNS address) and then chmod it to 440. This
is really ugly. There has to be a better way to tell network manager
NOT to rewrite the resolv.conf and preceded my own DNS with that of
the router? I remember this issue years ago and googling it seems
its s
1121 [09:01:34] <rgr> issue with different Linux implementatins
dealing with it differently. How can I stop NM adding in the
192.168.1.1 DNS look up preceding my own required DNS nameservers?
1122 [09:01:45] <rgr> and I dont have resolvconf installed either.
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1132 [09:07:28] <rgr> aha. solved. gui issues with NM. found it.
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1149 [09:14:55] <temuccio> Hello all
1150 [09:14:59] <temuccio> I have one problem
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1152 [09:15:20] <temuccio> On one my installation of debian, I
have a problem with root partition
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1154 [09:15:54] <temuccio> in fstab is errors=remount-ro
1155 [09:16:23] <temuccio> I would like to fsck the disk ad I have
try with netinstall iso
1156 [09:16:32] <temuccio> but I receive command not found
1157 [09:16:38] <temuccio> do you can help me
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1170 [09:21:44] <mtcj> rgr: it shouldn't do that if
you've selected address only in DHCP settings
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1196 [09:27:50] <temuccio> any suggest?
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1287 [10:04:09] <Psy-Q> i made a mistake, i installed some
packages from unstable because i had unstable as a source for
Firefox but forgot to set my apt preferences to prefer stretch
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1290 [10:04:36] <Psy-Q> now i can't install e.g.
build-essential (on install of g++ it says "you have held
broken packages")
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1292 [10:04:48] <Psy-Q> how can i figure out which packages came
from unstable so i can downgrade them to stretch?
1293 [10:04:48] <missmbob> !tell Psy-Q about dont break debian
1294 [10:05:02] <missmbob> !tell Psy-Q about downgrade
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1297 [10:05:31] <missmbob> Psy-Q: you can get newer firefox from
mozilla.debian.net without mixing repos
1298 [10:05:59] <TomTomTo1> Psy-Q: aptitude search ~Aunstable
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1300 [10:06:13] <Psy-Q> missmbob: oh, but when i select
"testing", "firefox" and "release"
there it tells me to add unstable
1301 [10:06:35] <Psy-Q> i previously solved it by having
APT::Default-Release "stretch"; set
1302 [10:06:54] <Psy-Q> TomTomTo1, missmbob: thanks
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1305 [10:07:45] <TomTomTo1> Psy-Q: eh, sorry, you obviously only
want the ones that are installed. aptitude search "~S ~i
~Aunstable"
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1307 [10:08:26] <TomTomTo1> weirdly obfuscated search syntax ftw
^^
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1310 [10:08:40] <Psy-Q> yeah, i never understood aptitude search
syntax, thanks for the hint :)
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1312 [10:09:04] <Psy-Q> well, crap. i must've pulled a big
metapackage from unstable, probably xfce. xfce and lots of
dependencies all came from unstable
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1314 [10:09:09] <Psy-Q> gotta live with this now i guess :)
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1397 [10:48:13] <no_gravity> Is there a way to make bash show nice
tables? Something like "echo 'select ..' | mysql |
shownicetable"? So it sets the tab width right automatically?
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1407 [10:50:41] <no_gravity> column -t !!!! That's it!
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1420 [10:58:01] <no_gravity> Can bash ctrl+r search be made case
insensitive?
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1445 [11:09:25] <c-c> A reminder: remember to obsolete sha-1
replaced-url
1446 [11:09:49] <djvdorp> Not sure who to inform, but I just
wanted to mention that the TLS certificate for paste.debian.net has
expired on Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 8:22:00 AM and is thus
showing warnings now (expired 2 hours and 47 minutes ago)
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1455 [11:12:02] <petn-randall> djvdorp: It's being worked on.
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1461 [11:14:46] <djvdorp> petn-randall: Thank you :) Just wanted
to give a heads up (not to put pressure on it) because I enjoy using
the service a lot, haha.
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1467 [11:18:07] <compass_> hi debian
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1469 [11:18:48] <compass_> running 3.16.0-4-586 kernel. anybody
know how i'd update to latest 686 kernel?
1470 [11:19:05] <petn-randall> djvdorp: fixed
1471 [11:19:06] <compass_> 586 only sees one of two cpu cores
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1473 [11:19:43] <petn-randall> compass_: What CPU do you have?
1474 [11:20:03] <compass_> core 2 duo t2050. state of the art ;]
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1480 [11:22:26] <petn-randall> compass_: How are you checking the
cores? I doubt a newer kernel will fix the issue.
1481 [11:22:48] <compass_> inxi -C
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1483 [11:23:30] <petn-randall> compass_: What does 'cat
/proc/cpuinfo' show you? You can paste it to
replaced-url
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1485 [11:23:49] <compass_> cpuinfo only shows one core too but
i'll paste
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1489 [11:25:03] <petn-randall> compass_: Maybe the 2nd core is
deactivated in the BIOS? The kernel wouldn't be the first place
to look, since 3.16 has been released several years after the T2050.
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1491 [11:26:18] <compass_> paste.debian.net/918719
1492 [11:26:40] <compass_> oh, ok petn-randall
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1494 [11:26:43] <compass_> i'll check bios
1495 [11:26:46] <compass_> brb
1496 [11:26:49] <compass_> thanks
1497 [11:26:54] <petn-randall> compass_: See ya in a bit
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1518 [11:34:50] <compass_> hi petn-randall, no bios setting but
start up did list 2 cores
1519 [11:34:57] <compass_> 1 proc, 2 cores :x
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1521 [11:36:19] <petn-randall> compass_: So /proc/cpuinfo now
shows something else?
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1539 [11:48:01] <compass_> petn-randall, still showing 1 core but
some threads online see some results with adding certain grub
parameters
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1612 [12:28:02] <darkezmo> anybody know how to upgrade from kernel
3.16 for 586 processors to kernel 3.16 for 686 processors
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1616 [12:29:01] <ShalokShalom> hi there
1617 [12:29:08] <ShalokShalom>
replaced-url
1618 [12:29:16] <ShalokShalom> konsole is not here, while its
available via info konsole
1619 [12:29:30] <darkezmo> thanks man
1620 [12:30:09] <ShalokShalom> ?
1621 [12:30:11] <ShalokShalom> its not about you
1622 [12:30:41] <darkezmo> whoops, thought you were pointing me in
direction of info!
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1624 [12:30:45] <hellyeah> hey
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1626 [12:31:50] <hellyeah> i have wireless problem. My wireless
card is Broadcom Corporation BCM43142 . I got the model name when i
do lspci but i cannot see my wireless connection in network-manager.
What can be the problem is. Pls help me thanks.
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1631 [12:34:25] <hellyeah> anyone?
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1633 [12:34:44] <darkezmo> hellyeah, it's probably hard
blocked
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1635 [12:34:55] <TomTomTo1> hellyeah: are you using the wl driver?
replaced-url
1636 [12:34:59] <hellyeah> i already checked rfkill
1637 [12:35:04] <hellyeah> yea
1638 [12:35:21] <hellyeah> 0: sony-wifi: Wireless LAN Soft
blocked: no Hard blocked: no
1639 [12:36:12] <hellyeah> i am using that driver
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1641 [12:36:43] <BluesKaj> HI all
1642 [12:37:30] <TomTomTo1> hellyeah: can you paste this output to
paste.debian.net? lspci -nnk | grep -i network -A2
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1646 [12:38:40] <hellyeah> TomTomTo1:
replaced-url
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1650 [12:40:24] <TimurTheLame> hellyeah, I have the same network
card (or whatever it is)
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1652 [12:40:53] <TomTomTo1> weird, i expected it to show the
kernel driver. either way, you could try running modprobe -r b44 b43
b43legacy ssb brcmsmac bcma wl; modprobe wl and check if that
outputs something useful.
1653 [12:40:56] <hellyeah> bcm43142
1654 [12:41:09] <hellyeah> let me see
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1656 [12:41:35] <TimurTheLame> hellyeah, what's your problem?
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1658 [12:42:07] <hellyeah> wireless connection not listed
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1661 [12:42:35] <TimurTheLame> hellyeah, network manager or wicd?
Is the wireless network hidden?
1662 [12:43:14] <TimurTheLame> hellyeah, also, stable, testing or
sid?
1663 [12:43:19] <hellyeah> yeah it is hidden or not visible in
some way in both
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1667 [12:43:38] <TimurTheLame> hellyeah, try to disable the Hidden
SSID on your router
1668 [12:43:38] <hellyeah> i am in stable
1669 [12:43:50] <hellyeah> how can i do that?
1670 [12:44:06] <TimurTheLame> hellyeah, have you personally
enabled it?
1671 [12:44:38] <hellyeah> no
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1673 [12:45:00] <TimurTheLame> hellyeah, oh. It's disabled by
default, so it's probably not related to your problem.
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1675 [12:45:23] <TimurTheLame> hellyeah, personally, if I set my
wireless network's SSID to hidden, I get problems with it.
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1678 [12:45:50] <hellyeah> btw i got this output modprobe wl
modprobe: FATAL: Module wl not found.
1679 [12:46:10] <hellyeah> i guess it is the problem i follow wl
wiki
1680 [12:46:18] <hellyeah> and i do everything page told me
1681 [12:46:21] <hellyeah> but got this errr
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1683 [12:46:39] <TimurTheLame> hellyeah, err... did you install
broadcom-sta-common?
1684 [12:46:50] <TimurTheLame> *broadcom-sta-dkms
1685 [12:46:50] <TomTomTo1> so you did not install the driver i
asked you about earlier? the wiki page has instructions.
1686 [12:47:06] <hellyeah> yea
1687 [12:47:12] <hellyeah> i installed that package
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1690 [12:47:46] <TimurTheLame> hellyeah, can you try "apt-get
install -reinstall broadcom-sta-dkms"?
1691 [12:48:11] <hellyeah> sure
1692 [12:48:16] <TimurTheLame> hellyeah, * apt-get install
--reinstall broadcom-sta-dkms
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1694 [12:49:36] <hellyeah> TimurTheLame:
replaced-url
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1696 [12:49:59] <hellyeah> we are good here?
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1698 [12:50:37] <TimurTheLame> hellyeah, apt-get install
linux-headers
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1700 [12:51:16] <TimurTheLame> hellyeah, err... or the equivalent
of whatever kernel you're running
1701 [12:51:23] <hellyeah> No candidate version found for
linux-headers isnt it weird?
1702 [12:51:33] <hellyeah> hmm
1703 [12:51:40] <TimurTheLame> hellyeah, Module build for kernel
4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae was skipped since the
1704 [12:51:43] <TimurTheLame> kernel headers for this kernel does
not seem to be installed.
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1707 [12:51:55] <hellyeah> hmm
1708 [12:52:23] <TimurTheLame> hellyeah, are you running a custom
kernel?
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1710 [12:52:50] <hellyeah> my kernel is 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae
1711 [12:53:09] <hellyeah> i just use kernel that comes with
debian installation
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1713 [12:54:00] <TimurTheLame> hellyeah, if you'd do
"sudo dkms status", you'd see that wl is not built
because the "headers" package for your particular kernel
isn't installed
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1715 [12:54:09] <TimurTheLame> hellyeah, try apt-get install
linux-headers-4.9.0-2-686-pae
1716 [12:54:43] <TimurTheLame> Oh darn, it's not the right
one for you. I'm running unstable so I don't know which
version you might have.
1717 [12:54:45] <hellyeah> btw this is output of dkms status
1718 [12:54:47] <hellyeah> root@debian:/home/bkgenc/Desktop# dkms
status broadcom-sta, 6.30.223.271: added open-vm-tools, 10.1.0,
3.16.0-4-686-pae, i686: installed
1719 [12:56:10] <TimurTheLame> hellyeah, can you do uname -srv?
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1722 [12:56:37] <hellyeah> TimurTheLame: Linux
4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 4.9.2-2~bpo8+1 (2017-01-26)
1723 [12:57:09] <TimurTheLame> hellyeah, do an aptitude search
"linux headers pae" and install the one you need
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1729 [12:58:53] <hellyeah> i will install this so as to get
everything related linux-headers-4.9.0-0.bpo.2-all
1730 [12:58:55] <TimurTheLame> hellyeah, should be similar to
"linux 4.9.0-0 bpo pae"
1731 [12:59:25] <TimurTheLame> hellyeah, the wireless module is
built for the older kernel that you have, but not for the one that
you're running right now
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1733 [13:00:06] <hellyeah> let me check that
1734 [13:00:10] <hellyeah> i will be back
1735 [13:00:14] <hellyeah> thanks for the help
1736 [13:00:17] <TimurTheLame> hellyeah, np
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1747 [13:04:04] <tsglove> o/
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1750 [13:04:55] <d1b> f/win44
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1782 [13:17:44] <petn-randall> darkezmo: You can upgrade your
kernel by installing it via backports:
1783 [13:17:48] <petn-randall> !jessie backports
1784 [13:17:48] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian
9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found
in the "jessie-backports" repository. See <replaced-url
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1793 [13:20:26] <FinalX> !bdo
1794 [13:20:26] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly
backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for
the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable
(<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian
developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read
replaced-url
1795 [13:20:35] <FinalX> ah, that's what bdo stands for lol
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1807 [13:25:06] <dxtr> Why do X switch the keyboard layout when I
move to a usb keyboard?
1808 [13:25:29] <dxtr> I am using keyboard layout us, variant
altgr-intl and the altgr-intl variant just stops working
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1812 [13:26:47] <Kerberos_> Hi
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1814 [13:27:31] <Kerberos_> Folks, is there any possibility that
someone can help me with screen "blinking" issue?
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1816 [13:29:03] <Kerberos_> ?
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1818 [13:29:47] <petn-randall> Kerberos_: It's custom to just
ask your question, and then wait for someone who knows the answer to
respond.
1819 [13:29:50] <petn-randall> !ask
1820 [13:29:51] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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1823 [13:30:20] <Kerberos_> I would like to ask for your help, I
installed and configured Debian (dual boot with WIN10) about 2
months ago. I had a problem with resolution initially, however I
follow up tutorial from
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1824 [13:30:48] <Kerberos_> 'm turning on computer,
everything works fine for 20/30 minutes, but after that time screen
starts blinking from time to time (every 5/10 minutes maybe a little
longer). I'm using Dell U3415W (connected by mDP 1.1 as Debian
is not supporting DP 1.2 - audio) with audio (built in) and when
screen starts blinking (black screen) I'm also losing audio,
after 2 seconds everything works fine, but issue appears every few
minutes, diode fro
1825 [13:30:58] <Kerberos_> I don't know what can be the root
cause as it has occured since 2/3 days, however during those days I
only installed Virtual Box and nothing else. Kindly please advise...
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1827 [13:31:17] <Kerberos_> uname -r Linux XXXXX 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1
SMP Debian 3.16.39-1+deb8u1 (2017-02-22) x86_64 GNU/Linux
1828 [13:31:27] <Kerberos_> lspci -nnk | grep -iA2 vga 01:00.0 VGA
compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation Device [10de:1b80]
(rev a1) Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:119e] Kernel driver in use:
nvidia
1829 [13:31:40] <Kerberos_> env | grep DESK
GIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE_PID=2063
GIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE=/usr/share/applications/terminator.desktop
DESKTOP_SESSION=default GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID=this-is-deprecated
XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=default XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME
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1834 [13:33:01] <compass_> so i upgraded kernel from 3.16(for old
586 procs) to same version but for 686 procs to enable multi core
support
1835 [13:33:03] <compass_> which works
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1837 [13:33:37] <compass_> but now wifi is hard blocked and linux
doesn't recognize hardware switch. and it hangs on shutdown
rather than switching off
1838 [13:34:00] <compass_> hmm
1839 [13:34:38] <tocix> How did you upgrade linux?
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1842 [13:35:39] <compass_> sudo apt-get install
linux-image-3.16.0-4-686-pae
1843 [13:36:11] <compass_> was using linux-image-3.16.0-4-586
originally
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1846 [13:36:41] <TimurTheLame> compass_, do you have the
linux-headers-*your-version* package installed?
1847 [13:37:42] <compass_> didn't do that explicitly, i guess
that's a thing i should do right now :x
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1854 [13:40:22] <petn-randall> compass_: I'm actually
surprised those two kernels made a difference. The latter one just
has PAE enabled.
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1856 [13:41:34] <compass_> hi petn-randall :D
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1858 [13:42:02] <compass_> yeah i thought it was worth a try. i
get two cores now but lose wifi and have to manually power down lol
1859 [13:42:11] <compass_> strange trade off
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1864 [13:42:50] <compass_> i read the debian page about 586 and it
said only supports single core
1865 [13:42:59] <petn-randall> compass_: Where does it say that?
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1870 [13:44:01] <petn-randall> compass_: Indeed! It says so in the
package description. I didn't know that.
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1872 [13:44:16] <tw> Kerberos_: does that happen in windows?
because that sounds connectivity related.
1873 [13:44:18] <compass_> yeah!
1874 [13:44:39] <compass_> ok i've installed headers for 686
kernel, gonna restart and cross fingers
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1876 [13:44:54] <Kerberos_> tw_: In Windows everything works fine,
however in Windows I'm switching to DP 1.2
1877 [13:44:56] <BluesKaj> odd , both cores of my old pc work well
on stretch
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1882 [13:45:11] <BluesKaj> pc/cpu
1883 [13:45:37] <petn-randall> BluesKaj: And you're running
arch i386 with that specific kernel?
1884 [13:46:09] <BluesKaj> nope , this is debian support , so
that's why I'm here
1885 [13:46:29] <tw> XD, no i386 architecture.
1886 [13:46:30] <bezaban> architecture
1887 [13:46:33] <bezaban> :)
1888 [13:46:47] <tw> We got wiseguy, I think =p
1889 [13:47:21] <BluesKaj> petn-randall, stretch is the debian
test /dev/OS atm
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1891 [13:47:39] <compass_> oh well, guess 686 doesn't play
nicely with this computer
1892 [13:47:56] <bezaban> been long since I've done anything
with i386, I think it's purged from my memory
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1894 [13:48:11] <Kerberos_> tw_: for first 20 minutes screen is
not blinking and everything works fine, after that time it starts
blinking intermittenlly every 5/7 minutes
1895 [13:48:42] <Kerberos_> screen is black and I have no audio
for 2 seconds
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1899 [13:49:39] <petn-randall> BluesKaj: arch = architecture
1900 [13:49:40] <tw> I don't have the u3415w, but my config
at home is basically the same, 375.39.
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1903 [13:50:03] <georgi> Hi, is this the correct channel for
asking questions about Debian/Linux/*BSD or is it for bug reports
etc ?
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1905 [13:50:38] <petn-randall> georgi: It's the correct
channel to ask for Debian support. For the others there are better
suited channels.
1906 [13:51:03] <Kerberos_> tw_: it is really strange, I
don't know what can be done to fix it...
1907 [13:51:21] <Brigo> Kerberos_, hardware, i would guess
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1910 [13:51:48] <tw> Kerberos_: Ignoring the audio, do you get the
same graphical issue on DP 1.2?
1911 [13:51:50] <Kerberos_> Brigo_: it is not a hardware issue, as
everything on Windows 10 works fine
1912 [13:51:59] <BluesKaj> petn-randall, like I said above both
cores so that usually indicates 64bit
1913 [13:52:16] <georgi> Alright, I want to know more about
Debian/kFreeBSD. Mainly, does it support NVIDIA Prime or Bumblebee ?
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1917 [13:52:56] <Kerberos_> tw_: to be honest I haven't
checked it yet... Let me try, however if I will change it, I need to
reboot computer and wait for next 20/30 minutes as issue appears
after 20/30 minutes from boot time
1918 [13:53:07] <cronic> Dear Debianusers, is there a common way
to solve the depency problems of mariadb without purging mysql?
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1922 [13:54:38] <georgi> I read that dual GPU support isn't
great on the *BSDs, so I wonder if it would be the case with
Debian/kFreeBSD because it uses the GNU userspace, just the kernel
is different. NVIDIA have a driver for *BSD, the problem is in the
Bumblebee / Prime support.
1923 [13:54:40] <tw> Kerberos_: alternatively you could try in
windows on mDP 1.1. It does sound very hardware related, which is
sucky for a new board like that. =\
1924 [13:54:56] <drmuggles> i have a user named
'automated_user' and ive added him to the group 'replaced-url
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1926 [13:55:26] <Brigo> georgi, this channel is for Debian
support, if your question is Debian related, you can ask
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1929 [13:55:40] <Kerberos_> tw_: I don't know way but on
Windows DP 1.1 is working horrible,screen hangs up etc...
1930 [13:55:57] <Kerberos_> however it is known issue per
"dell" support and you need to use DP 1.2
1931 [13:56:43] <Kerberos_> but please realize that I have used
debian for 2 months without any issues! since 2/3 days I have
started experiencing issue with blinking screen
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1940 [13:59:46] <kerberos_> Hi tw_:
1941 [13:59:51] <kerberos_> I'm back
1942 [14:00:06] <kerberos_> I switched to DP 1.2, without
rebooting and it looks good
1943 [14:00:32] <kerberos_> however I don't have audio, is
there any fix for DP 1.2 to make audio to work?
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1945 [14:01:00] <kerberos_> what is the reason that Debian is not
supporting audio for DP 1.2.?
1946 [14:01:07] <BluesKaj> DP 1.2?
1947 [14:01:18] <kerberos_> display port 1.2
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1951 [14:02:09] <kerberos_> it is really stuppid for me, and
I'm a little bit confused about DP 1.2...
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1956 [14:03:27] <BluesKaj> not familair with display port audio,
if it's similar to hdmi audio , then the spdif enable option in
alsamixer is a start. kerberos_
1957 [14:03:27] <rapha> Hi!
1958 [14:03:33] <petn-randall> BluesKaj: Well, the discussion was
about core 2 duo t2050 running on i386, and that the stock kernel
only supports single processors.
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1962 [14:04:23] <kerberos_> maybe official Debian support can
answer question, why Debian doesn't support audio for Display
Port 1.2 (monitor with built-in speakers)?
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1964 [14:04:50] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, and spdif out should be
enabled in pulse/pavutcontrol as well.
1965 [14:04:52] <rapha> When I put my laptop into suspend or
hibernate, it wakes up again just fine, no problem. But when it puts
itself into suspend because of the timeout, the screen never wakes
back up again and the only way to fix it is to reboot it. How could
I go about fixing that?
1966 [14:05:21] <kerberos_> BLuesKaj_: it is not a Alfamix or
pulseaudio issue, it is a DEBIAN issue
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1968 [14:05:47] <stoned> rapha: i keep auto hibernate timer off. I
manually hibernate when I need to.
1969 [14:06:27] <rapha> stoned: well, sometimes the laptop is no
on the AC adapter and I forget about it, and in those cases
it's probably best for the battery if it's able to go into
sleep mode on its own.
1970 [14:06:42] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, and what does that
mean...the bottom line is the alsa control is where to lok first ,
there' no "debian issue" as you call it
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1972 [14:06:47] <stoned> Try to not forget.
1973 [14:07:00] <rapha> stoned: that's a social/psychological
fix to a technical problem.
1974 [14:07:17] <stoned> It works.
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1977 [14:07:26] <rapha> if i want my laptop to work fine after
waking up from suspend, no matter how or why it got into suspend,
then it should be able to do that
1978 [14:07:28] <teraflops> kerberos_: there's no audio? what
did you checked in order to confirm there's no audio?
1979 [14:07:31] <kerberos_> BLuesKaj_: what you would like from me
to check in "Alsamixer"?
1980 [14:07:40] <stoned> This is analogous to people relying on AV
software for protection.
1981 [14:07:41] <petn-randall> kerberos_: This support is as
"official" as it gets, we're all volunteers in here.
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1983 [14:07:55] <petn-randall> kerberos_: Did you check if you
select the correct output in pulseaudio?
1984 [14:08:13] <kerberos_> teraflops_: I have checked alsamixer
(everything is enable), I have checked pavucontrol as weel
1985 [14:08:16] <stoned> rapha: sleep/hibernate has always (for
me) been problematic in linux. that's why I manually use it
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1987 [14:08:21] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, spdif output enabled so it
can pass the digital signal to your display port
1988 [14:08:24] <kerberos_> yes I checked everything
1989 [14:08:30] <teraflops> kerberos_: also use pavucontrol pactl
or pacmd
1990 [14:08:34] <rapha> stoned: no, it's not. AV software is
problematic in and of itself. a broken wakeup is just broken.
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1992 [14:08:54] <kerberos_> BLuesKaj_: where I can check
"spdif" output"? in pavucontrol?
1993 [14:09:07] <stoned> rapha: I wish I could help you
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1995 [14:09:08] <rapha> stoned: so you're too lazy to find
out how to fix something that's broken...
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1998 [14:09:23] <stoned> Yes.
1999 [14:09:27] <rapha> stoned: nevermind ... more people on that
chan, maybe someone of them will think of something ;)
2000 [14:09:29] <stoned> Very. I'm stoned. Dude.
2001 [14:09:33] <rapha> lol
2002 [14:09:35] <stoned> :)
2003 [14:09:48] * rapha has a flatmate who's stoned from 10AM in
the morning
2004 [14:09:50] <stoned> Smile brother. With relaxation
you'll figure this out.
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2006 [14:10:23] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, start with alsamixer in the
terminal first
2007 [14:10:27] <teraflops> kerberos_: checked what?
2008 [14:10:52] <kerberos_> BluesKaj_: in pavucontrol I have first
entry as "HDMI / DisplayPort 2 (unplugged) and second one as
"Built in Audio Digital Stero (IEC958) - Digital Output
(S/PDIF)
2009 [14:10:57] <rapha> btw why's there no debian-next
anymore?
2010 [14:11:02] <stoned> !oftc
2011 [14:11:02] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology
Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC
network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network.
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2012 [14:11:13] <snowkrash> why does service crond says its not
loaded?
2013 [14:11:14] <stoned> Try irc.debian.org #debian-next
2014 [14:11:14] <jelly> rapha: which debian release? If you
connect an external monitor, does that work?
2015 [14:11:15] <kerberos_> teraflops_: I checked every post/forum
with "debian no sound"
2016 [14:11:17] <rapha> ah
2017 [14:11:20] <snowkrash> why does service crond status says its
not loaded?
2018 [14:11:27] <rapha> jelly: i'm on stretch
2019 [14:11:32] <stoned> rapha: are you on jessie?
2020 [14:11:33] <stoned> oh.
2021 [14:11:43] <stoned> Perhaps stretch resume/suspend is buggy?
2022 [14:11:49] <snowkrash> is this the wrong approach?
2023 [14:11:51] <stoned> It's still kind of testing.
2024 [14:11:53] <kerberos_> BluesKaj_: I have opened alsamixer,
and what I should do right now?
2025 [14:11:54] <jelly> snowkrash: probably because its name is
"cron"
2026 [14:11:56] <teraflops> kerberos_: it says unplugged but
it's actually plugged in?
2027 [14:11:56] <stoned> Just frozen
2028 [14:12:02] <rapha> jelly: nah, even with an external screen
it's the same thing
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2030 [14:12:17] <stoned> rapha: also ##linux might be of some help
2031 [14:12:20] <rapha> hmm
2032 [14:12:22] <kerberos_> teraflops_: yes, and when I will
switch to DP 1.1 "unplugged" will dissapeared :)
2033 [14:12:27] <snowkrash> jelly, crond.service
2034 [14:12:27] <snowkrash> Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such
file or directory)
2035 [14:12:33] <teraflops> kerberos_: ah
2036 [14:12:35] <rapha> i'll try debian-next ... hadn't
noticed at first that it was a forward here on freenode
2037 [14:12:43] <snowkrash> jelly, what im doing wrong?
2038 [14:12:46] <rapha> cheers and keep on smiling!
2039 [14:12:48] <stoned> rapha: goodluck
2040 [14:12:51] <stoned> :)
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2042 [14:12:53] <tw> kerberos_: how many hw devices does aplay -l
show?
2043 [14:13:00] <jelly> snowkrash: cron.service
2044 [14:13:12] <rapha> thx bro!
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2046 [14:13:13] <jelly> snowkrash: no "d"
2047 [14:13:14] <kerberos_> a lot
2048 [14:13:21] <kerberos_> tw_: **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware
Devices **** card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC1150 Analog
[ALC1150 Analog] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0:
PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 1: ALC1150 Digital [ALC1150 Digital]
Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: NVidia [HDA
NVidia], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0:
subdevice #0 card 1: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 7: HDMI 1
2049 [14:13:30] <tw> kerberos_: have you tried using a different
hw device? NV cards have a different audio output per port.
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2051 [14:13:40] <kerberos_> card 1: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 7:
HDMI 1 [HDMI 1] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1:
NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 8: HDMI 2 [HDMI 2] Subdevices: 1/1
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 9:
HDMI 3 [HDMI 3] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
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2053 [14:13:53] <jelly> snowkrash: so, "service cron
status"
2054 [14:14:00] <snowkrash> ok
2055 [14:14:01] <snowkrash> thanks
2056 [14:14:05] <snowkrash> now it works
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2058 [14:14:27] <kerberos_> tw_: no, but as I said before, when I
switched to "DP 1.1" everything works fine, but it is
still connected to same DP, I'm only changing DP in monitor
settings (U3415W)
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2066 [14:17:39] <kerberos_> guys, I'm in alsamixer, whan I
should check now? I press F6 to select sound card - 0. HDA Intel
PCH, 1. HDA NVidia (I choosed that one)
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2070 [14:19:19] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, make sure you have your
master and digital ctrls unmuted , no MM, and the spdif(s) on the
far right enabled
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2074 [14:21:50] <tw> kerberos_: in pavucontrol, check the
configuration tab to see if any of the audio profiles under your
graphics card show as available.
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2077 [14:22:13] <kerberos_> BluesKaj_: is there any possibility
that you can explain it a little more?
2078 [14:22:40] <snowkrash> is it a bad idea to install sudo on
debian?
2079 [14:22:51] <snowkrash> why isnt it installed by default, is
there any reason?
2080 [14:23:29] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, the above post is still
about alsamixer
2081 [14:23:34] <petn-randall> snowkrash: It's only installed
if you don't set a root password, in which case sudo is
installed and the first user is added to the sudo group.
2082 [14:23:38] <themill> There's about 40k packages that
aren't installed by default
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2084 [14:23:52] <snowkrash> ok
2085 [14:23:53] <kerberos_> BLuesKaj_: yes I'm still in
alsamixer and everything is "00"
2086 [14:23:57] <kerberos_> so it's enabled
2087 [14:24:19] <snowkrash> is there a security risk in leaving a
tmux session active via ssh?
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2090 [14:24:47] <jelly> snowkrash: detached?
2091 [14:24:51] <snowkrash> like let a monitoring process running
2092 [14:25:03] <petn-randall> snowkrash: Not more than having the
ssh port open in the first place.
2093 [14:25:07] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, my nick is BluesKaj , easier
or me to see when it's highlighted, but it has to be spelled
properly
2094 [14:25:12] <snowkrash> ok i see
2095 [14:25:23] <snowkrash> didnt know its even possible
2096 [14:25:27] <snowkrash> its cool
2097 [14:25:30] <petn-randall> kerberos_: Blu<tab>
2098 [14:25:36] <snowkrash> is tmux the usual approach for this?
2099 [14:25:47] <petn-randall> snowkrash: Define "this".
2100 [14:25:53] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: sure, now it's good?
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2102 [14:26:09] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, exacrly :-)
2103 [14:26:13] <snowkrash> login via ssh start tcptrack log out
come back look at the results
2104 [14:26:41] <snowkrash> petn-randall, just read you can do
this with tmux
2105 [14:26:42] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: ok so I'm in alsamixer,
everything has status "00" so it's enabled
2106 [14:26:50] <jelly> snowkrash: that's pretty much what
screen and tmux detach ability was made for?
2107 [14:27:01] <snowkrash> jelly, ok thanks
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2112 [14:28:07] <snowkrash> jelly, debian is so great i really
like it
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2114 [14:28:42] <jelly> great, however note that tmux is not
debian specific
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2116 [14:28:56] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, ok , now what tw posted
above, depending on your desktop find search and type in pulse,
usually alt +F2
2117 [14:29:21] <kerberos_> tw: under "Configuration"
tab, I have two entries "HDA Nvidia" - few
"Profiles" every as "unplugged" and second
"Built-in-Audio", what I need to check?
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2122 [14:31:28] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: to be honest I'm a
little noobie, I'm in pulse audio (I used pavucontrol command
from terminal)
2123 [14:31:42] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: what is the next step?
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2126 [14:33:25] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, check your uotput options in
pavuctl and choose the digital out if you're trying for
dispalyport audio, but it might show up as hdmi audio , not sure
2127 [14:34:27] <tw> kerberos_: if they're all unplugged
I'm out of ideas.
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2129 [14:35:26] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: under Tab "Output
Devices" I have two sections, first is "HDA Nvidia Digital
Stereo (HDMI) port (HDMI/DisplayPort 2 (unplugged) and second
section "Built-in Audio Digital Stereo (IEC958)" Port
(Digital Output (S/PDIF)
2130 [14:35:44] <kerberos_> tw: maybe I can share you my screen or
just take a screenshot?
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2134 [14:36:55] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, the Built-in Audio Digital
Stereo (IEC958) should connect the digital signal to your display
port(s)
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2137 [14:38:03] <shtrb> what is the correct way to enable modem
over dbus (modemmanger) - tried sudo qdbus --system
--type=method_call org.freedesktop.ModemManager1
/org/freedesktop/ModemManager1/Modem/3
org.freedesktop.ModemManager1.Modem.Enable boolea
2138 [14:38:03] <shtrb> n:true but that is not the
correct syntex (as it seems)
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2145 [14:39:41] <snowkrash> whats the best tool to monitor ip
connections with history?
2146 [14:39:47] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: under
"Configuration" Tab I can see two sections (1. HDA Nvidia)
- and all profiles have "unplugged", second one is
"Built-in Audio) - and there are two profiles avaialble "
Digital Stereo (IEC958) Output + Annalog Stereo Input and
"DIgital Stereo (IEC958) Output
2147 [14:40:01] <snowkrash> i could use tcptrack and write to file
but that will produce a lot of data i guess
2148 [14:40:05] <kerberos_> tw: check above
2149 [14:40:14] <toruvinn> snowkrash, in which way
"monitor"?
2150 [14:40:38] <snowkrash> toruvinn, only the ip adresses that
tried to connect to the networkinterface
2151 [14:40:45] <snowkrash> or did so far
2152 [14:40:49] <toruvinn> snowkrash, why not iptables -j LOG or
other logging target?
2153 [14:41:13] <snowkrash> ok iptables is right
2154 [14:41:24] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, try DIgital Stereo (IEC958)
Output
2155 [14:41:31] <toruvinn> snowkrash, you could probably also just
filter syn+ack packets in tcpdump or something.
2156 [14:41:43] <snowkrash> ok
2157 [14:41:52] <toruvinn> (if you need tcp, that is. for udp you
wont get those really)
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2163 [14:43:13] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: I tried both, and I have
checked "Output Devices" tab, I can see only that bar of
sound is only moving for "HDA Nvidia Digital Stereo (HDMI),
port (HDMI / DisplayPort 2 (unplugged) and not not moving for BUilt-
in Audio DIgital Stereo (IEC958)
2164 [14:43:15] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, I'm noy real familiar
with display port audio , but I assume it's the same as hdmi
from the soundcard, however , if that doen't work experiment
with theo ther audio output options
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2167 [14:43:56] <BluesKaj> 'scuse the typos
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2173 [14:46:08] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, you may see audio indicators
moving, but do you hear anything, that's the test of course
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2178 [14:46:44] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: I can see audio indicators
for "unplugged" HDMI audio output) but I can't hear
enything
2179 [14:46:56] <tw> kerberos_: if it doesn't show as plugged
in, I don't know how to get it to rescan the connection or
force it into a connected state.
2180 [14:47:08] <tw> can't help you there.
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2182 [14:47:18] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: what do you mean by
experiment with theo?
2183 [14:47:54] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, try different choices in F6
in alsamixer
2184 [14:48:23] <BluesKaj> experiment with the other
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2188 [14:49:12] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: trying right now
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2201 [14:52:30] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: still same issue
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2203 [14:52:51] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, to what kind of setup is the
displaypot connecting?
2204 [14:53:10] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: I apologize but I don't
undestand question
2205 [14:53:16] <snowkrash> toruvinn, if i dont want to use
iptables you have a nother hint?
2206 [14:53:32] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: I'm using mDP cable
between computer and monitor
2207 [14:54:02] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, a monitor with speakers or a
speaker system or?
2208 [14:54:20] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: Monitor Dell U3415W with
built-in speakers
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2210 [14:55:21] <BluesKaj> does the monitor have analog 3mm or rca
audio inputs ?
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2212 [14:56:26] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: To be honest I don't
know, but I'm using those built in speakers
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2216 [14:57:31] <BluesKaj> and they worked on windows I bet
2217 [14:57:52] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: yes, everything works
perfect on Windows under DP 1.2
2218 [14:58:08] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: I found on the google some
time ago, that DP 1.2 is not supported
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2222 [14:59:27] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: you can check my topic here:
replaced-url
2223 [14:59:40] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: a lot of more information
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2225 [14:59:46] <BluesKaj> do you have DP1.0 or 1.1 displayport
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2228 [15:00:55] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: I have DP 1.1 and DP 1.2
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2230 [15:01:24] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: On DP 1.1 audio works fine
but screen is blinikng from time to time
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2232 [15:01:34] <kerberos_> on DP 1.2 screen is not blinking
however there is no audio
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2242 [15:05:50] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, ok, which gpu ?, in the
terminal, lspci | grep VGA
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2245 [15:06:24] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: Nvidia GTx 1080 - 01:00.0
VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation Device 1b80 (rev a1)
2246 [15:06:26] <Mortvert> Hello.
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2249 [15:06:49] <Mortvert> I need help about installing debian via
wifi (netinst) - my netbook has a broadcom chipset
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2253 [15:08:23] <petn-randall> !firmware installer
2254 [15:08:23] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional
<firmware>, by including it within installation media or
supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See
replaced-url
2255 [15:08:31] <petn-randall> Mortvert: I'm guessing you
need to use this one ^^^
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2258 [15:09:09] <Mortvert> For netinst, petn-randall
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2261 [15:09:24] <Mortvert> I don't run debian or any other
linux distro on any of my machines yet
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2264 [15:09:48] <petn-randall> !firmware images
2265 [15:09:48] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images -
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for
installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from
replaced-url
2266 [15:09:49] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, that's quite a gpu
there, you should be able to setup your video with out any
flickering with OpenGL 3.1 setting and install the recommended
nvidia driver for you gpu ..that should solve any flickering
2267 [15:09:56] <petn-randall> Mortvert: Sorry, this is the one
^^^
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2270 [15:10:12] <petn-randall> Mortvert: They contain the firmware
needed by most wifi cards nowadays.
2271 [15:10:17] <crazy7> How do you install openjdk 1.8 on debian?
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2273 [15:10:30] <Mortvert> I tried that - it hadn't detected
my wireless card, petn-randall
2274 [15:10:41] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: is there any possibility
that you can explain step by step?
2275 [15:10:41] <toruvinn> snowkrash, as I said, tcpdump with a
good filter (since tcp handshake is syn/synack/ack, you may log
synack packets or something, for connections that are actually
"accepted" (but not open yet, no ack)). not sure if
there's something better. probably. i'd use iptables ;-)
2276 [15:10:42] <Mortvert> it still yelled for firmware
2277 [15:11:10] <snowkrash> toruvinn, iftop can do it
2278 [15:11:25] <snowkrash> it has a text mode which one can write
to file
2279 [15:11:44] <snowkrash> iptables is the better solution im
sure
2280 [15:11:47] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: the reason why I'm
asking for step by step is that last few times after installing
nvidia drivers, I had black screen and I was forced to runr escue
mode...
2281 [15:11:58] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, which desktop do you have ?
because I'm not very familair with gnome etc
2282 [15:12:02] <snowkrash> but i need get into iptables first
toruvinn
2283 [15:12:05] <toruvinn> snowkrash, what im worried about is
having to parse all the packets (iftop counts sizes for example)
which will eat your CPU needlessly.
2284 [15:12:22] <snowkrash> yes
2285 [15:12:26] <snowkrash> its a fast solution
2286 [15:12:33] <petn-randall> Mortvert: You used the firmware
images, and it still asked for firmware? What chipset do you exactly
have?
2287 [15:12:36] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: do you mean uname -a? Linux
xxxxx 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.39-1+deb8u1 (2017-02-22)
x86_64 GNU/Linux
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2289 [15:13:22] <Mortvert> Broadcom 4322G 802.11a/b/g/draft-n
Wi-Fi Adapter
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2291 [15:14:01] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: I'm using Debian 8
Jessie
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2300 [15:16:35] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, where is your panel situated
, that should tell me which desktop environment you have
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2302 [15:17:28] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: there is on the up of the
screen
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2304 [15:17:54] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: I'm old school - check
my desktop for example
replaced-url
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2306 [15:18:27] <snowkrash> is it possible to hack a running tmux
session that runs as root?
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2308 [15:18:36] <bezaban> gnome3 is oldschool now? :P
2309 [15:18:39] <kerberos_> hahahah
2310 [15:18:40] <kerberos_> no :)
2311 [15:18:46] <kerberos_> I'm kidding only
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2314 [15:19:22] <snowkrash> not really i guess
2315 [15:19:29] <petn-randall> snowkrash: With an axe?
2316 [15:19:36] <snowkrash> exactly :D
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2318 [15:19:52] <BluesKaj> I've forgotten the command that
gives the DE name ...anyone ? too many yrs on KDE here
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2321 [15:20:33] <crazy7> How do you search for software in the
command line using apt?
2322 [15:20:49] <toruvinn> crazy7, apt-cache search xxx?
2323 [15:20:52] <bezaban> apt search <pattern>
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2330 [15:24:21] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: do you mean ps -A | egrep -i
"gnome|kde|mate|cinnamon|lxde|xfce|jwm"?
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2336 [15:27:40] <TomTomTo1> or echo $DESKTOP_SESSION
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2339 [15:28:50] <kerberos_> TomTomTo1: it is not true, it will
usually give you "default" answer
2340 [15:29:08] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: are you here?
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2343 [15:30:40] <BluesKaj> thing is kerberos_ I still think you
can solve your blinking problem with right driver for your
graphics/gpu , if it's a Nvidia GTX 1080 then that's a
high end gpu which has scattered support , however I think if you
install nvidia-detect and dkms then you'll get a a message
about installing the nvidia 375 or 376 driver , then you can switch
back to DP1.1 and you audio problem will be solved as well
2344 [15:31:26] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: can you provide me exactly
command what I should use?
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2348 [15:32:21] <TomTomTo1> kerberos_: "usually" where
exactly?
2349 [15:32:28] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, ok, in the terminal , sudo
apt install dkms nvidia-detect
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2353 [15:33:23] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: done
2354 [15:33:32] <BluesKaj> did they install?
2355 [15:33:51] <BluesKaj> kerberos_,^
2356 [15:33:54] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: I install nvidia-detect
2357 [15:34:06] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: and I run nvidia-detect from
terminal
2358 [15:34:10] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: output: nvidia-detect
Detected NVIDIA GPUs: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]:
NVIDIA Corporation Device [10de:1b80] (rev a1) Your card is only
supported by a newer driver that is available in jessie-backports.
See
replaced-url
2359 [15:34:31] <BluesKaj> and dkms ?
2360 [15:34:55] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: sorry, I run sudo apt
install dkms nvidia-detect
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2362 [15:35:19] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: and Reading package lists...
Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done dkms
is already the newest version. The following package was
automatically installed and is no longer required: pkg-config Use
'apt-get autoremove' to remove it. The following NEW
packages will be installed: nvidia-detect 0 upgraded, 1 newly
installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 141 kB of
archives. Af
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2365 [15:36:59] <BluesKaj> ok kerberos_ time for a a learning
curve on your part, if you intend to maintain your OS then keeping
the corecte drivers upgraded is an important part of it. so read the
url
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2366 [15:37:31] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: I already did it, it's
the reason why I have backports in my sources list
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2368 [15:39:14] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: my questions is, should I
run now "apt-get -t jessie-backports install
nvidia-driver/jessie-backports"
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2373 [15:40:49] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, run sudo nvidia-detect , and
don't post the output here only the name of the driver like
nvidia-375 or ..
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2376 [15:41:29] <BluesKaj> !paste
2377 [15:41:30] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
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2378 [15:41:46] <BluesKaj> kerberos_,^
2379 [15:41:49] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: I appologize, I run sudo
nvidia-detect, but in the output I didin't have entry info
about driver
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2381 [15:42:16] <BluesKaj> exactly what we need to know, which
driver is it?
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2383 [15:42:34] <kerberos_> I have already nvidia-driver as newest
version - Selected version '375.26-1~bpo8+1' (Debian
Backports:jessie-backports [amd64]) for 'nvidia-driver'
2384 [15:42:39] <kerberos_> BluesKaj:
2385 [15:43:22] <BluesKaj> ok, wonder if the the 367 driver might
run better on gnome
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2389 [15:44:12] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: let me know what is the next
step, and I really apreciate your help...
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2393 [15:46:22] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, sudo apt remove nvidia-375
&& sudo apt install nvidia-367 ...let's hope this
doesn't break your sytem, it's a gamble ..the decision is
up to you.
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2395 [15:46:56] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: I trust you men :)
2396 [15:47:34] <BluesKaj> it's a gamble kerberos_
2397 [15:47:43] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: I have error: E: Unable to
locate package nvidia-375
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2399 [15:48:53] <BluesKaj> yeah , debain is too precise
2400 [15:49:18] <BluesKaj> give me a a minute
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2402 [15:49:25] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: sure
2403 [15:49:41] <armin> would anyone of you be so kind to
gist/pastebin their /lib/systemd/system/NetworkManager.service file?
i lost it and don't have access to a box where i got that file
right now.
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2405 [15:50:04] <armin> systemd symlink hell...
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2407 [15:50:31] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, do you have hdmi connections
and cable ?
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2411 [15:51:11] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: yep, I have free HDMI cable,
but it's not connected to screen right now, I hate HDMI :)
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2422 [15:53:28] <bullgard4> armin: Although I am using
NetworkManager my Debian stable does not have any
/lib/systemd/system/NetworkManager.service file.
2423 [15:53:48] <TomTomTo1> armin:
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2426 [15:54:36] <armin> perfect, thanks a lot!
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2432 [15:56:03] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, hdmi might give you fewer
problems without flickering, it's more mature system and the
drivers are as well There won't be any difference in resolution
if that's what you're concerned about.
2433 [15:56:43] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: I understand, but I'm
using dual boot with Win 10 so, each time I should replace cable?
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2435 [15:56:59] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: 4K on mDP is 60 Hz, HDMI
only 30 Hz
2436 [15:57:00] <BluesKaj> that's all in can suggest now,
I've run out of ideas
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2439 [15:57:59] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: thanks for your help, I will
follow up on reddit (Debian) and other forums, maybe someone will
figure out what is going on, where I can ask if DP 1.2 is supported
officialy?
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2445 [15:59:46] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: I'm still 99% sure that
DP 1.2 is supported, however without audio :), why I'm thinking
like that? I have a collegue with same problem, DP1.1 - everything
works fine, Display port 1.2 - audio not working
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2447 [15:59:51] <BluesKaj> kerberos_,don't confuse frames
/sec with hz or refresh rate , they're not the same thin atall
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2451 [16:00:19] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: you are right, I apologize
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2453 [16:01:17] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: for how long you will be
here? I need to pick up my girlfriend, so I will be back within 1
hour, maybe during that time you will be able to find solution? (of
course if you want and have time)
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2462 [16:04:06] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, if DP1.2 doesn't
support audio , then i 'm out of ideas
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2465 [16:04:27] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: I don't know, it's
the reason why I'm here :)
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2467 [16:04:53] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: is it possible that
VIrtualBox can be the root cause? Screen started blinking when I
install VirtualBox
2468 [16:05:20] <BluesKaj> unless you have a separate speaker
system that you can connect to the analog out
2469 [16:05:53] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: I need to leave right now, I
will be back within 1 hour, I hope that you will be still here, if
not I would like to say big thank you for your help
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2472 [16:06:04] <BluesKaj> yes, VB can cause all klinds of
troubles, that's why I don't use VMs
2473 [16:06:38] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: You are really kind person,
want to say "awesome", see you within 1 hour (if you will
be here) :)
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2476 [16:07:02] <BluesKaj> ok , good luk
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2501 [16:15:12] <gehaxelt> hey, I have a question. I'm
running debian8 and I'd like to downgrade openssh to
1:6.7p1-5+deb8u2. running apt-get install
openssh-server=1:6.7p1-5+deb8u2 does not work
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2504 [16:15:23] <gehaxelt> Is it possible? If so, how?
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2506 [16:15:27] <gehaxelt> Thanks in advance! :)
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2517 [16:17:57] <mtn> !downgrade
2518 [16:17:57] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be
supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that
can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support
upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try:
"dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install
package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to
get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>,
<unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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2526 [16:20:49] <stoned> gehaxelt: why?
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2529 [16:21:08] <stoned> gehaxelt: what is a feature of that
version which you require, and why?
2530 [16:21:09] <jelly> ,v openssh-server
2531 [16:21:10] <judd> Package: openssh-server on amd64 -- wheezy:
1:6.0p1-4+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u6;
wheezy-backports: 1:6.6p1-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u3;
jessie-security: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u3; stretch: 1:7.4p1-6; sid:
1:7.4p1-7
2532 [16:21:26] <gehaxelt> mtn, thanks, that's useful :)
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2534 [16:21:31] <stoned> perhaps you can rebuilt openssh sever
package how you need to? Might that help?
2535 [16:21:33] <jelly> dpkg, tell gehaxelt about snapshot
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2538 [16:22:16] <gehaxelt> stoned, I'm building a vulnerable
VM for an university task and I'd like to used an openssh
version which is vulnerable to CVE-2015-6565
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2541 [16:22:49] <Elirips> I have a working jessie machine, and I
would like to compile things inside it, that require a newer g++. I
dont want to ruin my good running jessie machine, can I somehow
install another debian in it, that is more recent?
2542 [16:23:24] <stoned> !debootstrap
2543 [16:23:25] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian
system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a
<chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a
Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>.
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2544 [16:23:32] <stoned> Elirips: setup a chroot
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2547 [16:24:05] <jelly> gehaxelt: you should have gotten a private
message from dpkg bot
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2552 [16:24:29] <snowkrash> Error in `ssmtp': free(): invalid
pointer: what does that mean?
2553 [16:24:41] <gehaxelt> jelly, i see, thank you! I'll give
it a try :)
2554 [16:24:50] <snowkrash> is ssmtp not working on debian?
2555 [16:25:02] <Nik05> snowkrash that there is a bug in it
2556 [16:25:03] <Elirips> stoned: amazing. deboostrap sid
/tmp/sid/ how can i be that simple? :D
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2558 [16:25:14] <snowkrash> ok then i will uninstall it
2559 [16:25:24] <stoned> more complex
2560 [16:25:32] <stoned> you have to bind some stuff from outside
to inside
2561 [16:25:38] <stoned> !tell Elirips about chroot
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2564 [16:25:45] <Elirips> stoned: I will need to access github and
svn
2565 [16:25:50] <Elirips> from within chroot
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2568 [16:26:01] <stoned> you'll have to install the tools in
the deboostrapped system then.
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2572 [16:26:20] <stoned> as well as outside, or you can just have
them outsdie or inside the mount bind home somewhere
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2576 [16:26:32] <stoned> my english sucks.
2577 [16:26:34] <Elirips> stoned: what I would like to achieve at
the end is: have a cronjob that regulary builds something and places
it in some directory
2578 [16:26:36] <Elirips> mine too
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2581 [16:26:39] <rly> Ark in KDE doesn't work in all cases;
is there something which does integrate with KDEs menus and does
actually work?
2582 [16:26:39] <lerner> i was just suggested to use debian
instead of xubuntu, because you are more privacy friendly. Is this
true?
2583 [16:26:55] <Nik05> snowkrash what do you do that gives the
pointer error?
2584 [16:27:04] <stoned> No idea. Maybe? Ubuntu is commercial. So
maybe it has adware?
2585 [16:27:06] <stoned> Debian is clean.
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2587 [16:27:19] <snowkrash> Nik05, try to send email
2588 [16:27:19] <petn-randall> lerner: Maybe? No idea what
Canonical is doing these days.
2589 [16:27:20] <jelly> lerner: it's hard to say because we
have no idea what specific privacy issues the other distro may have
2590 [16:27:21] <stoned> Commercialized linux might have ad
related crap.
2591 [16:27:32] <snowkrash> maybe the configuration is wrong dont
know
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2594 [16:28:24] <stoned> rly: ark works just fine. You can use
kde-apps website and download a reight click menu script addon for
konqueror or dolphin maybe
2595 [16:28:28] <stoned> check inside #kde channel
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2598 [16:28:35] <Nik05> snowkrash same as this one? Looks like an
old bug...
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2599 [16:28:36] <judd> Bug
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2600 [16:28:38] <lerner> my notebook is an intel kaby lake 64
bits, is amd64 the imageI have to download?
2601 [16:28:42] <rly> stoned: no, I just made it crash.
2602 [16:28:52] <stoned> how about file-roller?
2603 [16:28:54] <jelly> lerner: yes
2604 [16:28:56] <snowkrash> Nik05, whats some alternative to
sendmail without big setup
2605 [16:28:57] <rly> stoned: also crap.
2606 [16:28:57] <stoned> ,v file-roller
2607 [16:28:58] <judd> Package: file-roller on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.4.2-1; jessie: 3.14.1-1; stretch: 3.22.2-2; sid: 3.22.3-1
2608 [16:29:01] <stoned> Hm.
2609 [16:29:03] <snowkrash> ssmtp seemed to be fine
2610 [16:29:04] <stoned> I use cli, dude.
2611 [16:29:04] <stoned> :D
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2613 [16:29:30] <Nik05> snowkrash i don't know, but other
probably do
2614 [16:29:33] <rly> stoned: rather annoying that nobody can
write GUIs that do not crash.
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2616 [16:29:39] <jelly> lerner: if you don't have wired
connectivity during installation and need wireless to work, you may
be better with
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2618 [16:29:40] <stoned> w/ tab directory name/file completion,
it's so easy to type a command and extract things then click
and drag and all that goofyness
2619 [16:29:41] <jelly> !firmware images
2620 [16:29:42] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images -
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for
installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from
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2621 [16:29:53] <stoned> rly: eh. sucks.
2622 [16:29:54] <rly> stoned: thanks, indeed the cli tools do
pretty much always work.
2623 [16:29:59] <snowkrash> just want to send via my smtp account
2624 [16:30:01] <lerner> jelly, with what?
2625 [16:30:11] <stoned> maybe there could be a ncurses interface
one?
2626 [16:30:14] <stoned> I hav eno idea if one exists.
2627 [16:30:21] <jelly> lerner: ^^ see what dpkg bot said above
2628 [16:30:24] <stoned> I'm sure some curses file managers
do that unzipping thing
2629 [16:30:27] <stoned> liek gentoo?
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2631 [16:30:34] <stoned> or efm or something something
2632 [16:30:44] <lerner> ok...
2633 [16:30:45] <jelly> snowkrash: if it works and only breaks
like that soemtimes, keep using it
2634 [16:30:47] <FinalX> "mc" ? :P
2635 [16:30:51] <gehaxelt> another question: It looks like jessie
comes with a recent enough version of openssh. Can I simply install
the one from wheezy or will it break something?
2636 [16:30:53] <stoned> sure, maybe mc
2637 [16:30:54] <stoned> :D
2638 [16:30:58] <FinalX> mc <3
2639 [16:31:17] <jelly> snowkrash: otherwise, try an alternative
like msmtp-mta
2640 [16:31:27] <rly> How is determined whether something is fit
for inclusion in Debian if it legally is all fine?
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2642 [16:31:57] <rly> E.g., if it crashes could that be reason for
exclusion? How often does that need to happen before that is the
case?
2643 [16:32:11] <rly> Are there formalized KPIs for this? If not,
why not?
2644 [16:32:25] <stoned> !tell rly about dfsg
2645 [16:32:35] <jnoah> for stretch, will debian have firfox 52?
2646 [16:32:39] <stoned> rly: must comply w/ debian free software
guidelins and packag policy
2647 [16:32:42] <jelly> rly: typically, a piece of software needs
to be usable, have an active upstream, and yes be dfsg compliant
2648 [16:32:47] <bezaban> rly: someone who will maintain and
package it over time. Software should not crash, but I don't
know of a policy
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2650 [16:33:02] <jelly> rly: and someone has to want to maintain
packages in debian
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2653 [16:33:47] <bezaban> there are some examples of not so active
upstreams
2654 [16:33:48] <snowkrash> jelly it doesnt work
2655 [16:33:54] <snowkrash> i try that one thanks
2656 [16:33:59] <jhutchins_wk> gehaxelt: Do not mix packages from
different releases.
2657 [16:34:01] <bezaban> but can't think of a good example
:)
2658 [16:34:06] <stoned> There are some packages which are not
upstream maintined even, which is also fine.
2659 [16:34:15] <rly> Given the huge amounts of packages in
Debian, I would welcome banning packages that are worse than others
by some objective measure.
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2662 [16:34:28] <stoned> O_o
2663 [16:34:35] <snowkrash> jelly, this does not look like a
config error, right?
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2666 [16:34:41] <snowkrash> looks like a memory leak
2667 [16:34:44] <gehaxelt> jhutchins_wk, ok, but how do I
downgrade it if jessie does not have previous versions of it?
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2669 [16:34:47] <jelly> rly: how much time do you spend
maintaining packages in debian?
2670 [16:34:56] <stoned> jelly++
2671 [16:35:19] <jhutchins_wk> gehaxelt: I thought you were asking
about openssh
2672 [16:35:24] <rly> jelly: I am counting the time of every
individual/organisation which needs to install a package only to
discover it sucks.
2673 [16:35:44] <rly> jelly: and that's a huge number.
2674 [16:35:59] <stoned> The only pcakges that suck are th eones
who are broken or buggy in testing/sid.
2675 [16:36:00] <petn-randall> rly: I'm sure you've
filed bug reports for all cases?
2676 [16:36:03] <stoned> stable is beautiful.
2677 [16:36:07] <rly> petn-randall: I did.
2678 [16:36:21] <jelly> rly: if a piece of software already in
Debian is mostly unusable, a Severity: serious (or higher) bug
should be filed
2679 [16:36:37] <jhutchins_wk> rly: I've managed thousands of
Linux systems over the years that Just Worked.
2680 [16:36:40] <jelly> rly: that will keep it from being included
in the next release
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2682 [16:36:55] <rly> jelly: that's up to interpretation. In
this case, when you delete a file from a zip archive using Ark, it
crashes.
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2684 [16:37:16] <rly> jelly: I think Ark is just not fit for
general use until such trivial things are fixed.
2685 [16:37:26] <rly> jelly: e.g. this would never happen at
Microsoft.
2686 [16:37:30] <jelly> rly: that's not "unusable for
most users", that's just a "buggy when you do this
specific thing"
2687 [16:37:42] <jhutchins_wk> rly: That is completely untrue.
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2689 [16:37:55] <jhutchins_wk> rly: Besides which, zip isn't
a Microsoft product.
2690 [16:37:55] <babilen> (and absolutely irrelevant)
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2692 [16:38:11] <rly> jhutchins_wk: what is untrue?
2693 [16:38:13] * petn-randall gives rly a fish.
2694 [16:38:18] <stoned> rly: on stable jessie, it doesn't
make it crash on my side.
2695 [16:38:38] <jhutchins_wk> rly: Microsoft platforms have all
kinds of problem.
2696 [16:38:44] <rly> stoned: highly doubtful. Are you saying that
you offer USD 100K if I make it crash on stable?
2697 [16:38:57] <stoned> Knock it off, dude.
2698 [16:39:02] <stoned> you're trying our patience.
2699 [16:39:21] <rly> stoned: so, not 100K, then how much?
2700 [16:39:34] <rly> You ascribe properties to stable, which it
doesn't have.
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2702 [16:39:41] <rly> I have no doubt that "cat" works
in stable.
2703 [16:39:42] * petn-randall yawns.
2704 [16:39:49] <petn-randall> rly: Do you have a support
question?
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2706 [16:40:16] <jelly> rly: can you reproduce this bug in every
case?
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2708 [16:40:40] <jelly> rly: also, did you look at whether it was
fixed after jessie, eg. in stretch?
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2710 [16:41:29] <stoned> It works. I just deleted /log/ out of the
PokeMMMO rpg zip file in ark. Ark
2711 [16:41:29] <stoned> Version 2.19
2712 [16:41:33] <rly> jelly: I have no doubt that I can do that,
given sufficient motivation. I am however of the opinion that broken
software was created by a broken process and hence there is no point
in fixing individual bugs.
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2714 [16:42:19] <stoned> No problem in ark, amd64 jessie.
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2717 [16:43:06] <rly> Anyway, this exact response is exactly what
the problem is.
2718 [16:43:12] <BluesKaj> unp can decompress most files
2719 [16:43:31] <jelly> rly: so you don't have enough
motivation to see if it was fixed in newer version, but you think
the process is broken without that check?
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2722 [16:43:55] <rly> jelly: the Debian process is fine; it's
the author of this piece of software.
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2724 [16:44:18] <rly> jelly: and perhaps the policy that Debian
accepts software which is not fit for production.
2725 [16:44:22] <jelly> rly: you did not even check whether the
current version has that bug.
2726 [16:44:31] <stoned> try bugs.kde.org
2727 [16:44:32] <rly> jelly: how is that even relevant?
2728 [16:44:33] <BluesKaj> stretch here, no problems so far
2729 [16:44:38] <stoned> search on that one, for ark bugs
2730 [16:44:41] <rly> jelly: and no, the bug doesn't exist
yet.
2731 [16:44:47] <stoned> see if 4.19 has that bug listed
2732 [16:44:51] <rly> jelly: many others do, though.
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2734 [16:45:15] <Dice-Man> hello how can i know on which repos is
a packet ?
2735 [16:45:20] <petn-randall> rly: Wait, so you're
complaining about a bug, that wasn't reported, you don't
want to test if it is fixed in newer versions, and you complain
about the process?
2736 [16:45:22] <rly> The process is the development process,
which includes a complete lack of testing, for example.
2737 [16:45:24] <stoned> Dice-Man: apt-cache policy
2738 [16:45:30] <jelly> rly: if you think there's process
issue, you probably want to confirm that by looking at more than one
point in the process
2739 [16:45:32] <petn-randall> rly: I think the process is
completely broken.
2740 [16:45:38] <petn-randall> rly: It's called PEBKAC.
2741 [16:45:56] <rly> petn-randall: interesting; the software
crashes, and I did it.
2742 [16:45:58] <mtn> Dice-Man:
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2745 [16:46:33] <jelly> rly: otherwise, you have a single data
point and you can't draw any conclusions from that
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2747 [16:47:09] <rly> jelly: I am familiar with how Ark is
developed.
2748 [16:47:14] <armin> can i somehow let network-manager execute
an arbitrary command after successfully connecting to a specific
wifi?
2749 [16:47:35] <Dice-Man> stoned: well it says cannot find packet
:(
2750 [16:47:52] <stoned>
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2752 [16:47:54] <jelly> rly: but you're apparently not
familiar with the concept of "trying a newer version"
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2755 [16:48:03] <stoned> rly: check peazip for linux
2756 [16:48:06] <Dice-Man> i'm trying to configure
/etc/apt/source.list but i cannot figure how doest run
2757 [16:48:10] <stoned> get your stuff unzipped, then get your
work done
2758 [16:48:14] <Dice-Man> *doest it work
2759 [16:48:33] <stoned> !tell Dice-Man about sources.list
2760 [16:48:42] <mtn> Dice-Man:
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2762 [16:48:50] <jelly> rly: in any case, if there's no bug
report in Debian, don't expect a fix
2763 [16:49:12] <jelly> dpkg, tell rly about reportbug
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2765 [16:49:27] <jelly> dpkg, tell rly about bts
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2767 [16:49:44] <stoned>
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2768 [16:49:50] <stoned> Another unzipper gui in linu
2769 [16:49:51] <rly> jelly: if the goal would be to make Debian
better, why *not* add optional tracking to every package. That way,
there would be data on how often things crash per operation, etc.
2770 [16:50:09] <stoned> nice context menu in kde
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2772 [16:50:35] <rly> stoned: yes, this is useful, but it
won't fix the general problem of Debian shipping low-quality
packages.
2773 [16:50:48] <stoned> rly: it doesn't, and that's not
a problem.
2774 [16:50:48] <jelly> rly: if there's no bug report in
Debian, don't expect a fix
2775 [16:50:51] <stoned> Knock it off.
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2779 [16:51:24] <jelly> there's no general problem, all I see
is someone annoyed with one particular upstream, and taking it to
one particular distro
2780 [16:51:46] <stoned> It seems you are more interested in
discussing something you definitely don't want to do anything
about, so basically just complaining b/c something crashed, and now
it's become a point of argument for you. Needless.
2781 [16:52:07] <rly> stoned: there are specialized companies
which provide crash reports for JavaScript applications. These
companies do have customers. Why would you say that Debian is
different?
2782 [16:52:11] <stoned> I see no real reason for this
conversation, psychologically. Your rason for why you're
complaining also does not escape us. Why jelly is continuing to
humor you is beyond me.
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2784 [16:52:14] <stoned> anyway.
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2789 [16:53:47] <rly> I am going to guess that if Google were to
offer a patch with full analytics for every program in Debian for
*free* with free maintenance, that you would accept it.
2790 [16:54:03] <rly> (Optional, of course.)
2791 [16:54:19] <rly> I am not sure why you think it's a good
idea to hold on to positions which are not rational.
2792 [16:54:24] <stoned> Hypotheticals of this nature of a waste
of time.
2793 [16:54:39] <rly> You said that you didn't need it a
minute ago.
2794 [16:54:50] <rly> And now you say it is a hypothetical waste
of time.
2795 [16:55:01] <stoned> You really just want to talk/argue, eh?
2796 [16:55:02] <stoned> :)
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2798 [16:55:07] <rly> Don't argue positions you cannot
defend.
2799 [16:55:07] <stoned> Not on my time.
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2801 [16:55:14] <jelly> rly: this isn't the right place to
propose feature additions to debian, it's a channel for tech
support of specific issues
2802 [16:55:33] <rly> jelly: OK, thanks for the help.
2803 [16:55:37] <compass_> debian hangs when powering off on
shutdown - i need to manually hold down power button on laptop to
shut down computer
2804 [16:55:40] <compass_> anyway around this?
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2806 [16:55:46] <jelly> rly: if you want to see a feature like
that, volunteer your time making it so
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2808 [16:56:02] <jelly> or pay someone to do it
2809 [16:56:13] <FinalX> and I'm not usually the one saying
it, but if you don't like the way Debian is, there's
plenty of distributions to go around. If you don't want to move
away from Debian, feel free to contribute :p
2810 [16:56:25] <jhutchins_wk> compass_: That's an issue that
comes up occasionally. Not sure if there's a generic fix for
it. What release, what desktop, what hardware?
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2814 [16:56:49] <stoned> hey, I got a proton mail! :D sorry just
got noticd. :D
2815 [16:57:07] <stoned> FinalX: I have tried EVERY distro
(mainline) out there. Always back to debian I come
2816 [16:57:18] <stoned> Same with code editors. Tried em all,
alays come back to netbeans.
2817 [16:57:38] * FinalX always comes back to vim
2818 [16:57:47] <stoned> yeah, well. nerd!
2819 [16:57:47] <compass_> 3.16 686. crunchbang++. old fujitsu
siemans laptop, core2duo and 1.5gb ram
2820 [16:57:48] <stoned> :D
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2822 [16:58:33] <compass_> apart from the shutdown thing, really
sweet os and runs efficiently
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2824 [16:58:52] <rly> Nobody has tried every distro; not even
everything listed on distrowatch.com.
2825 [16:58:56] <jelly> compass_: crunchbang?
2826 [16:58:59] <rly> You might have tried "a lot".
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2828 [16:59:24] <stoned> Since 1994 to 2017. That's a lot of
year to try distros.
2829 [16:59:38] <stoned> many distros. Many debians since 2001
2830 [16:59:43] <jhutchins_wk> !crunchbang
2831 [16:59:43] <dpkg> CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution
originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of
version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not
supported in #debian.
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2832 [16:59:45] <stoned> all the ubuntus
2833 [16:59:51] <jelly> rly, stoned: let's keep the comments
in here to specific suggestions about a particular issue, please
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2847 [17:02:26] <jelly> you want to nitpick about word meanings,
there's #debian-offtopic
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2850 [17:03:15] <Dice-Man> aptitude install or apt-get install
what suits well with the system ?
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2852 [17:03:26] <jelly> !why aptitude
2853 [17:03:26] <dpkg> aptitude has more advanced
conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where
apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get
plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from
broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see
<aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred
(e.g. <lenny->squeeze>, <squeeze->wheezy>).
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2854 [17:03:33] <jelly> !why not aptitude
2855 [17:03:33] <dpkg> Aptitude is more memory intensive and
slower than <apt-get>, the <ncurses> interface is always
loaded regardless of being used or not. Moreover the resolver can
sometimes produce unexpected results and most of
<aptitude>'s former exclusive features are now available
in <apt-get> as well. Ask me about <why aptitude> and
see
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2857 [17:03:49] <Dice-Man> ok thanks
2858 [17:04:10] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: are you here :)?
2859 [17:04:16] <snowkrash> is installing ZNC irc bouncer a
security risk?
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2861 [17:04:32] <petn-randall> ...
2862 [17:04:40] <jhutchins_wk> There's also apt now.
2863 [17:04:48] <jelly> snowkrash: each and every piece of
software, esp. those that do network connections, are a risk of some
kind
2864 [17:04:56] <snowkrash> sure
2865 [17:04:57] <petn-randall> snowkrash: If all your questions
are going to be "Is X a security risk?", we're going
to have a long day here. :)
2866 [17:05:05] <snowkrash> hehe
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2868 [17:05:09] <snowkrash> yeah
2869 [17:05:10] <jelly> snowkrash: running them is usually a bit
more risky than just installing
2870 [17:05:16] <jhutchins_wk> snowkrash: Anything that exposes a
service to external networks is a risk.
2871 [17:05:23] <snowkrash> i know
2872 [17:05:31] <snowkrash> but well you know it better in detail
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2876 [17:06:03] <jhutchins_wk> snowkrash: Check for CVEs on that
package, check development discussions.
2877 [17:06:09] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, yes, but I don't think
I can help much futher, other than some of connection changes i
suggested
2878 [17:06:12] <snowkrash> ok i will
2879 [17:06:13] <jelly> znc isn't that good with CVE
assigning
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2881 [17:06:25] <stoned> irssi scrreen and irssi proxy
2882 [17:06:27] <petn-randall> snowkrash: If it's usually
connected to the internet, the risk is likely acceptable (web
servers, mail servers, irc bouncers, etc.) if you configure them
correctly. Just don't run things like databases or samba on the
internet.
2883 [17:06:27] <stoned> works well.
2884 [17:06:34] <jelly> it's usually "run the very
latest upstream has, or they'll hate you"
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2888 [17:06:45] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: sure, now I'm using
mini display port, I will check HDMI and standard DIsplay Port :)
2889 [17:06:50] <jelly> they even mock Debian in #znc topic
2890 [17:06:54] <kerberos_> BluesKaj: thx man, have a great day!
2891 [17:07:03] <snowkrash> petn-randall, yes i dont do, i use
samba only temporary in the LAN
2892 [17:07:17] <BluesKaj> kerberos_, ok , good luck
2893 [17:07:26] <snowkrash> and turn it off afterwards
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2895 [17:07:31] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
2896 [17:07:40] <kerberos_> Folks, if anyone of you have time and
desire - there is interesting topic -
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2897 [17:07:42] <tharkun> Good $DAY, under /run/user there are
several subdirs with the system user id. When is that tmpfs
directory created?
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2899 [17:08:04] <jelly> tharkun: when you log in
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2901 [17:08:29] <jelly> part of some systemd session keeping
functionality
2902 [17:08:48] <tharkun> jelly: Is that a done with root
privilidges or can a regular user make that subdirectory?
2903 [17:09:21] <jelly> tharkun: you tell me, what are the
permissions on its parent /run/user
2904 [17:09:54] <jelly> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 60 Mar 8 07:37
/run/user
2905 [17:09:54] <tharkun> jelly: :)
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2907 [17:10:52] <ychaouche> guys, I am trying to get log lines in
my syslog file with the logger command but I can't see them
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2910 [17:11:03] <ychaouche> I'm on debian 8.5
2911 [17:11:23] <mandeep_> is there a torrent for the nonfree live
cd? all i can find are http isos
2912 [17:11:33] <ychaouche> logger "hello syslog ?"
should display something like "Mar 8 17:03:10 ychaouche-PC
ychaouche: hello"
2913 [17:11:43] <ychaouche> but it's not there
2914 [17:12:00] <jelly> ychaouche: by default, logger uses the
user facility. Is your syslog configured to log user.* to that file?
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2916 [17:12:10] <tharkun> precisely. So if I don't log in I
don't have it created. Is there any other place debian has a
tmpfs that I can tap into it. Like a place similar /tmp but with a
tmpfs mounted filesystem?
2917 [17:12:37] <jelly> tharkun: you can make /tmp a tmpfs if you
want
2918 [17:12:49] <jelly> tharkun: what's the goal?
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2922 [17:13:15] <tharkun> speed an hdd intesive process by having
a ramdisk do the heavy lifting.
2923 [17:13:22] <tharkun> lots of writes and overwrites.
2924 [17:13:25] <ychaouche> jelly: I don't know how to check
that
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2926 [17:13:45] <tharkun> ychaouche: man logger then grep all the
available files in /var/log ;P
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2928 [17:14:03] <ychaouche> I am reading /etc/rsyslog.conf
2929 [17:14:09] <jelly> ychaouche: figure out which syslog daemon
you're using (it's rsyslog by default) and how it's
configured (/etc/rsyslog.conf, by default)
2930 [17:14:17] <ychaouche> I think I begin to understand what
jelly was talking about
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2932 [17:15:06] <ychaouche> user.* -/var/log/user.log
2933 [17:15:11] <jelly> ychaouche: right
2934 [17:15:12] <jhutchins_wk> ychaouche: I haven't used it
in years, but I think you have to specify a timestamp option and
what facility you're logging to, as well as log level.
2935 [17:15:23] <ychaouche> jhutchins_wk: not in mint
2936 [17:15:37] <mtn> mandeep_: if you are planning on installing,
don't use the live disk. use the netinstall or dvd 1
2937 [17:15:42] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: "man logger" will
tell them the default facility and priority, it's
"user.notice"
2938 [17:15:44] <ychaouche> mint is based on ubuntu which is based
on debian so I guess not, but that's just a guess.
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2940 [17:15:55] <jelly> ychaouche: mint is not debian, tho
2941 [17:15:59] <tharkun> jelly: setting tmp as tmpfs will drain
too many resources on the server. I need to do this on a very
limited scale.
2942 [17:16:13] <tharkun> ychaouche: The devil is in the details.
2943 [17:16:28] <ychaouche> jelly: I only have user.log under
/var/log and it's empty.
2944 [17:16:29] <jelly> tharkun: go abuse /dev/shm then, what do I
care!
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2946 [17:16:53] <tharkun> jelly: Thanks for you encouraging
comments. :)
2947 [17:16:55] <jelly> ychaouche: is a syslog service running at
all?
2948 [17:17:11] <ychaouche> yeah I have postfix logs right there
in syslog
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2950 [17:17:32] <jelly> tharkun: do you have an unprivileged
service doing some stuff or what?
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2952 [17:17:44] <ychaouche> service rsyslog status says service
active.
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2954 [17:17:50] <mandeep_> mtn: how do i know that the install
will work?
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2956 [17:18:03] <tharkun> Yes, that is my isue. I need to figure
how to do the mount as an unprivilidged user so I can speed things
up.
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2958 [17:18:25] <mtn> mandeep_: only one way to find out. what are
you worried about? video? wifi?
2959 [17:18:33] <mandeep_> mtn: ethernet
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2961 [17:18:52] <mtn> mandeep_: almost always works. didn't
the normal live disk work?
2962 [17:18:57] <mandeep_> mtn: no
2963 [17:19:09] <jelly> tharkun: sudo privileges on "mount
/var/lib/yourapp/tmp" ?
2964 [17:19:12] <mandeep_> mtn: it gave an error regarding the
realtek ethernet
2965 [17:19:28] <mtn> mandeep_: ok. download the non-free
netinstall and test. it will check your net connection right away,
so no harm will come of it.
2966 [17:19:37] <mandeep_> mtn: alright thanks
2967 [17:19:47] <tharkun> jelly: good Idea thanks :)
2968 [17:20:03] <jnoah> for stretch, will debian have firfox 52?
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2972 [17:21:03] <jelly> tharkun: but if you have root access at
install time, you could just make a fstab entry and make it a
permanent mount point
2973 [17:21:23] <jelly> jnoah: if that's the next ESR, then
most likely yes
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2976 [17:22:58] <jelly> jnoah: jessie will soon have 52esr too,
probably, not much life left for 45esr
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2980 [17:24:20] <tharkun> jelly: Thanks that is a better Idea.
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2987 [17:25:48] <jelly> tharkun: I'd probably ask in #systemd
if they invented some newfangled way to magically bring up a custom
tmpfs on start of a service and destory it on shut down
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2990 [17:26:06] <compass_> wistron_btns module was causing
shutdown hang so blacklisted it and shutdown/reboot works without a
hitch
2991 [17:26:09] <jelly> sounds halfway useful
2992 [17:26:19] <jelly> !win compass_
2993 [17:26:19] <dpkg> Congratulations, compass_! You have won a
one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro!
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2996 [17:26:36] <compass_> lol :D
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2998 [17:26:59] <compass_> so all 3 issues sorted today, both
cores now being used, wifi no longer hard blocked and shutdown works
2999 [17:27:01] <compass_> thanks guys!
3000 [17:27:12] <petn-randall> compass_: yay \o/
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3003 [17:27:24] <compass_> cheers petn-randall
3004 [17:27:44] <BluesKaj> another satisfied customer :-)
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3012 [17:30:32] <teraflops> !next
3013 [17:30:32] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
3014 [17:30:41] <compass_> still here ;)
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3016 [17:30:50] <teraflops> !prev
3017 [17:30:55] <compass_> haha
3018 [17:31:00] <jelly> compass_: now file an installation report
with all the workarounds!
3019 [17:31:14] <compass_> sure, where do i start
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3023 [17:32:10] <jelly> !install report
3024 [17:32:10] <dpkg> somebody said installation report was
replaced-url
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3034 [17:34:00] <jelly> compass_: or maybe a
replaced-url
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3041 [17:36:07] <unborn> !releases
3042 [17:36:07] <dpkg> See
replaced-url
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3045 [17:37:39] <unborn> actually, been testing stretch on my
spare machine and I love it, past 4 days I did not had any issues or
crashes.. is it safe to use it as main os laptop/desktop - i know it
was not yet released, just asking those who know..
3046 [17:37:41] <unborn> thanks
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3049 [17:38:40] <jelly> if it breaks tomorrow or a week from now,
don't complain too much
3050 [17:38:42] <tw> As long as you have another machine to
actually do work on if something breaks...
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3052 [17:39:07] <unborn> thanks guys
3053 [17:39:32] * unborn will waits and continues to testing on spare
machine for now
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3061 [17:42:38] <BluesKaj> unborn, been on stretch for week, no
problems , but my setup is for a home user , no PIM apps ot email
databases required etc
3062 [17:42:51] <jhutchins_wk> latest Pavillion install report
(see above) is 2015.
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3067 [17:43:34] <BluesKaj> BBL
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3070 [17:44:14] <jhutchins_wk> tw: You can also multi-boot with
Stable for fallback.
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3073 [17:44:41] <jhutchins_wk> tw: Nice thing about that is you
can fix/update in chroot.
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3076 [17:44:57] <tomg2> people use testing/stretch as their main
machine all the time, probably since testing started its existence
in 2000 or so
3077 [17:45:15] <tomg2> Debian testing is probably better than
anything else "release" ;)
3078 [17:45:31] <tomg2> well, except maybe Linux Mind Debian
Edition 2. LMDE is pretty good
3079 [17:45:35] <unborn> BluesKaj: I run everything virtually (dev
works etc) except git.. currently its my 5th day on stretch on that
testing machine and hopefully it will not break for any reason, if
not within a month I may switch earlier. I was just asking here as I
know some folks love it as well. but as jelly and tw noted out here,
I would rather wait a bit..
3080 [17:45:36] <tomg2> Mint.
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3082 [17:46:29] <jhutchins_wk> I've seen testing have some
major breakage in freeze. That's when they address major
problems and take the time to get the fix right instead of just
bandaiding it.
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3086 [17:46:59] <tomg2> so noted.
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3088 [17:47:19] <jelly> and testing right after a release is a
very interesting place to be
3089 [17:47:44] <jhutchins_wk> As long as you have a way to
snapshot the machine before each upgrade you can keep it working.
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3091 [17:47:51] <petn-randall> !debian weather
3092 [17:47:51] <dpkg>
replaced-url
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3094 [17:48:20] <petn-randall> A few clicks down you have nice
weather icons to see how uninstallable testing currently is. Hint:
After releases it can get pretty rough.
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3100 [17:50:02] <jhutchins_wk> petn-randall: Nice.
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3105 [17:50:40] <unborn> tomg2: you should try debian it self. I
stopped using lmde back in 2009? it was jack shit back days not
because of de or because it was build on ubuntu base but coz it suxs
a very badly. many devs left since then.
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3108 [17:51:30] <tomg2> I'm using testing now
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3111 [17:53:56] <unborn> *and clem is evil ;)
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3130 [17:59:14] <compass_> jelly dpkg - wouldn't let me start
a wiki page with my email address so i sent the report to
wiki@debian.org and let them know. hopefully they'll post it
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3134 [18:00:21] <jelly> last time I tried to get a password reset
for that wiki I got a 500 internal error, and a bug report filed a
year ago with same issue
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3136 [18:01:45] <compass_> jeez
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3185 [18:25:01] <tomg2> clem's nice though :o
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3189 [18:25:09] <tomg2> nevermind
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3194 [18:26:24] <jhutchins_wk> That probably explains why the
reports are generally pretty old.
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3245 [18:49:45] <rb__> hi
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3247 [18:51:08] <rb__> i wanna try i3. How to deactivate openbox?
I started a tty and wrote i3. It comes a error -> cannot start
display. Can u help me?
3248 [18:51:25] <rb__> an error
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3251 [18:53:07] <greycat> rb__: if you mean system-wide default,
update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
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3254 [18:54:03] <rb__> greycat, i type that in a terminal and
logout, right?
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3256 [18:54:29] <n4dir> another option is to create ~/.xinitrc,
add "exec i3", then run startx
3257 [18:54:32] <greycat> As root, so su or sudo as needed.
3258 [18:54:38] <rb__> ok
3259 [18:54:45] <greycat> n4dir: use ~/.xsession not ~/.xinitrc
3260 [18:54:45] <jelly> type that in terminal, then start X in
whatever way you usually start X
3261 [18:54:50] <n4dir> assuming "i3" is the command to
start i3, to be found in /usr/bin/*i3*
3262 [18:54:58] <n4dir> greycat: okay.
3263 [18:55:00] <stoned> what's the diff in .xsessionrc and
.xinitrc?
3264 [18:55:15] <jelly> ~/.xsession does not seem to have
"rc"
3265 [18:55:17] <greycat> .xinitrc ONLY works with startx, not
with the Debian X session (e.g. xdm lightdm)
3266 [18:55:25] <n4dir> ah.
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3269 [18:55:52] <n4dir> well: at least i said: "another
option" (as i knew there are several)
3270 [18:55:58] <rb__> ok, thank you very much for help, i go to
try it.
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3272 [18:56:06] <greycat> .xsessionrc is completely different. Its
purpose is to allow you to set environment variables without having
to write a whole .xsession, or when you are using gdm which
doesn't necessarily read .xsession
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3276 [18:56:36] <stoned> im slightly confusex
3277 [18:56:59] <greycat> Thanks, GNOME!
3278 [18:57:01] <stoned>
replaced-url
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3281 [18:57:13] <stoned> I also use KDM + Xmonad session
3282 [18:57:21] <stoned> so .xsessionrc I guess
3283 [18:57:42] <stoned> I didn't know .xinitrc and the just
.xsession
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3285 [18:58:03] <jhutchins_wk> You should also be able to choose
i3 from the greeter/login screen.
3286 [18:58:27] <greycat> If you specify a window manager command
in your start-up, with or without exec, then you want to use
~/.xsession NOT ~/.xsessionrc
3287 [18:58:43] * jelly reads Xsession(5) and gets even more confused
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3289 [18:58:53] <teraflops> gdm sources .xprofile, also gdm is not
a login shell
3290 [18:58:54] <jhutchins_wk> stoned: You realize you posted a
link to the blank site?
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3293 [18:59:23] <jhutchins_wk> stoned: No paste.
3294 [18:59:29] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: he scrapes ALL the pastes
there and runs them.
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3296 [19:00:09] <stoned> Oh
3297 [19:00:11] <stoned> Haha.
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3299 [19:00:15] <stoned> Seriously?
3300 [19:00:21] <jelly> obviously
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3302 [19:00:23] <stoned>
replaced-url
3303 [19:00:25] <stoned> OMG.
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3305 [19:01:04] <jelly> that reminds me of 1996 and fvwm
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3308 [19:01:35] <stoned>
replaced-url
3309 [19:02:03] <stoned> just background, system tray, xmonad and
urxvt. life is good
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3313 [19:02:39] <greycat> what's wrong with fvwm?
3314 [19:03:05] <rb___> It dont works. I activared i3 and reboot
the system. But it comes openbox. When I type i3 in terminal, it
says that another manager is running (x error 10)
3315 [19:03:19] <stoned> set alternative dude
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3317 [19:03:31] <greycat> rb___: ls -l
/etc/alternatives/x-*-manager
3318 [19:03:33] <stoned> sudo update-alternatives --config
x-window-manager
3319 [19:04:08] <rb___> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Mär 5 15:54
/etc/alternatives/x-session-manager -> /usr/bin/openbox-session
3320 [19:04:08] <rb___> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Mär 8 18:58
/etc/alternatives/x-window-manager -> /usr/bin/i3
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3322 [19:04:20] <rb___> stoned, i have do that
3323 [19:04:23] <stoned> rb___: tip: next time run it with
--replace and it won't give message error
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3327 [19:04:29] <stoned> like i3 --replace
3328 [19:04:33] * greycat doesn't know what a
"x-session-manager" is exactly
3329 [19:04:35] <stoned> or any windowmangername --replace
3330 [19:04:45] <stoned> greycat: display manager
3331 [19:04:49] <stoned> kdm type stuff
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3335 [19:05:02] <teraflops> stoned: I rewrote all my dzen2 status
bars (xmonad) from "while:; … sleep" to
inotify-wait. now I idle at 0/1%, before I was idling at ~3% CPU
3336 [19:05:03] <greycat> openbox-session is a display managers?
3337 [19:05:32] <stoned> isn't that what manges the sessions?
3338 [19:05:32] <n4dir> go on, friends, and in 3 minutes i will
feel stoned too ....
3339 [19:05:37] <stoned> (they show up inside it, the list)
3340 [19:05:41] <jelly> logic suggests a session manager would be
the thing exec'd at the end and what keeps the session alive
3341 [19:06:05] <greycat> Shit's too confusing for me. There
are too many different possible things.
3342 [19:06:16] <stoned> teraflops: plese share
3343 [19:06:17] <jelly> and in case of a DE, spawning all or most
the other stuff
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3345 [19:07:18] <teraflops> stoned: it depends on what you do, but
the idea is
replaced-url
3346 [19:07:49] <rb___> brb
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3357 [19:10:36] <teraflops> stoned: more detailed example (for i3)
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3366 [19:15:15] <tjt263> hey, how can i have my terminal sessions
persist through reboots, or at least be recoverable (like web
browser tabs)
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3369 [19:15:45] <jhutchins_wk> tjt263: screen or tmux
3370 [19:16:02] <johnkeates> or disown and retty
3371 [19:16:02] <tjt263> that wont survive a reboot
3372 [19:16:14] <johnkeates> i3
3373 [19:16:18] <jhutchins_wk> tjt263: Actually, they won't
persist through reboots, just logouts.
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3375 [19:16:30] <johnkeates> try not rebooting
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3377 [19:16:52] <tjt263> ..its not an option
3378 [19:16:56] <jhutchins_wk> tjt263: About the only thing you
can do is write a script. I think you can have tmux execute certain
configurations at startup.
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3380 [19:17:30] <jhutchins_wk> tjt263: You can also script screen.
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3383 [19:18:20] <johnkeates> you can't persist what you
won't define, so you'd need to have a program where you
define what you want and then it can persist it for you
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3385 [19:18:29] <johnkeates> like a window manager or terminal
manager
3386 [19:18:30] <tomg2> the x-session-manager is sort of the
superset of a x-window-manager. it can launch a whole bunch of
things, including a window manager. examples include icewm-session,
openbox-session, startkde, gnome, mate, cinnamon
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3388 [19:18:49] <tomg2> not sure what to do if you have a session
manager installed but don't want to use it
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3390 [19:19:03] <greycat> tomg2: yeah, that was what stopped me.
3391 [19:19:36] <greycat> For myself, I would just create a
~/.xsession to override them both, but I don't know what the
"newbie answer" is.
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3400 [19:21:20] <tjt263> i just want to be able to reboot and have
my terminal tabs still open like i can on a macbook
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3404 [19:21:30] <tjt263> i thought debian would have something
like that
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3410 [19:23:48] <teraflops> tjt263: use tmux?
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3412 [19:23:59] <teraflops> ah locally nvm
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3415 [19:25:05] <tjt263> i do use it
3416 [19:25:09] <tjt263> cheers
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3426 [19:36:11] <Digz> I'm trying to decide on a web based
ftp server or file sharing system that I can put in a VM with 500 GB
on it so I can put some files on it, and tell people on facebook to
come and get it, whatever.... mostly videos, pictures, and MP3
recordings. I'm not limited to debian, but its my fav
distro.... could be freenas which is bsd, could be something
else.... i'm considering purchasing a home user licence of
crush ftp for $40, but just wondering what else is
3427 [19:36:11] <Digz> out there.
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3433 [19:37:50] <greycat> Why would you want FTP? Why not just set
up a simple static web server?
3434 [19:38:01] <tomg2> greycat, thanks for the summary on
.xsession files
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3436 [19:38:16] <tomg2> someone (a nice person) gave me a summary
here a long time ago, but I didn't write it down
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3440 [19:39:42] <Digz> greycat, that would be the easiest, but I
want a little more control on username/password access, bandwidth
throttlng for upload, that sort of thing...
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3443 [19:40:42] <Digz> greycat, and I want some folks to be able
to PUT files there easily too, tech-illiterate users that know how
to use a webbrowser....
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3446 [19:41:51] <edi> Digz, i would advice to go for filesharing,
like nextcloud or similar
3447 [19:42:02] <edi> ftp is useless imho
3448 [19:42:22] <edi> colabora has a nice demo on libreoffice
integrated with nextcloud
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3450 [19:42:29] <edi> maybe over the top for your setup
3451 [19:42:39] <edi> but the nextcloud thing seems allright
3452 [19:42:46] <teraflops> !ftpmustdie
3453 [19:42:47] <dpkg> FTP MUST DIE!
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3454 [19:42:47] <edi> maybe a lil more investment for setup
3455 [19:42:55] <nikitasius> FTP if
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3458 [19:43:05] <nikitasius> FTP bad beause its plain text as is
3459 [19:43:06] <edi> but so much more fun after :)
3460 [19:43:09] <nikitasius> *because
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3462 [19:43:16] <edi> haha why not SFTP :p
3463 [19:43:31] <Digz> basically I am looking to build a server
where if my mother wants to upload pictures, she can just click
"browse" and upload.... and she can just click to select
the pics and videos she wants to download. (background: I live in
the US. My parents in Netherlands. Other family in Canada. And
although we all have facebook, I want to build a file repository
that doesn't require people to put dropbox clients on their
systems or whatever...)
3464 [19:43:32] <edi> and when the connection flaps
3465 [19:43:41] <edi> you can start ftp'ing all over again
3466 [19:43:51] <Digz> edi, i'll check out nextcloud
3467 [19:44:00] <edi>
replaced-url
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3469 [19:44:07] <edi> not affiliated, but I was impressed ;-)
3470 [19:44:08] <nikitasius> Digz: you want a public file sharing
system? with accounts?
3471 [19:44:53] <teraflops> Digz: idk if nextcloud is as shitty as
owncloud was, seafile is another choice
3472 [19:44:55] <Digz> nikitasius, in a nutshell, yes.... I have
been looking at freenas, openmediavault, crushftp, owncloud....
3473 [19:45:06] <nikitasius> well, if you want to create a nice
public sharing system with public and private links, look on nginx
with fileupload module and lua.
3474 [19:45:18] <edi> nikitasius, cool tip!
3475 [19:45:19] <Digz> teraflops, yeah I didn't like owncloud
that much so I removed it
3476 [19:45:21] <nikitasius> it will work via http/https and via
webdav too (via http/https) too
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3478 [19:45:39] <nikitasius> cause nginx know webdav (with module
from github)
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3480 [19:45:48] <Digz> nikitasius, thanks for the tip, will check
it out.
3481 [19:45:54] <Klaus_Dieter> digz syncthing is really nice. it
requires a client application though. it works fine on my android
phone as well
3482 [19:46:15] <Digz> whats your opinion of crushftp? (besides
that is isn't open source and a home license is $40)
3483 [19:46:21] <teraflops> seafile has clients for
android/linux/win and web too
3484 [19:46:22] <nikitasius> you're welcome. It will use less
resources as possible (nginx + upload from the box + lua inside
nginx).
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3486 [19:46:35] <greycat> I am instantly biased against
"crushftp" because it has ftp in the name.
3487 [19:46:36] <nikitasius> Digz: why you should to pay for FTP
Oo
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3489 [19:46:38] <Digz> seafile, also added to the checkout list :)
3490 [19:46:49] <nikitasius> there are many opensource ftp servers
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3492 [19:47:05] <teraflops> Digz: just try as much as you can so
you make a real idea
3493 [19:47:33] <Klaus_Dieter> I used owncloud, it was a pita.
seafile is better but still not great.
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3495 [19:47:46] <Digz> nikitasius, its not just ftp, its the whole
web based services that they put behind it that is intriguing.
I'm not a "MUST be FREE" kind of guy, if it is a good
product and has a reasonable price, I'm willing to pay.
3496 [19:47:49] <teraflops> I used to like seafile time ago it
performed pretty well
3497 [19:48:06] <teraflops> s/like/use
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3501 [19:48:29] <nikitasius> Digz: you're here to made an ads
for this product?)
3502 [19:48:40] <Klaus_Dieter> i have found syncthing to be the
beat of the three in terms of reliabiliy and usage on multiole
olatforms
3503 [19:48:45] <nikitasius> what can be behing ftp?) logs -
awstats. ssl? sasl module.
3504 [19:48:47] <Digz> nikitasius, no I am asking for opinions on
it.
3505 [19:49:03] <edi> got o the colabora site, you can sign up for
demo, three fileservces at once
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3507 [19:49:09] <nikitasius> Digz: i run opensource free soft on
my debian. You're on debian channel.
3508 [19:49:13] <greycat> nikitasius: he mentioned bandwidth
throttling of some kind.
3509 [19:49:15] <edi> check it out w outh installing
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3513 [19:49:33] <nikitasius> greycat: you can limit speed via
iptables if i remember well
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3515 [19:49:46] <Digz> nikitasius, oh does that mean that asking
an opinion on a product that runs on debian that happens to be a
paid product is absolutely forbidden and against the rules?
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3518 [19:49:54] <nikitasius> if you use system accounts you can
use system Ids in iptable rules
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3520 [19:50:51] <nikitasius> Digz: just explaint please what this
product can do special (what inpossible on vsftp/prosftp/other_ftpd)
with awstats, sasl, openssl and iptables.
3521 [19:50:56] <nikitasius> *explain
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3523 [19:51:26] <edi> Digz, and why not peer to peer distributed
storage, all members just have an extra "drive" ?
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3526 [19:51:33] <edi> no central server needed
3527 [19:51:34] <Digz> nikitasius, I don't know!! I am
throwing it out there as one of the options, and asking for
opinions, and you are going gungho on me like: its not free, wtf are
you doing here?
3528 [19:51:49] <nikitasius> Digz: lets google together so :)
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3531 [19:53:00] <somiaj> Digz: #debian just doesn't really
support third party products. If someone is familar with it they can
help, though mostly the support that is given is more generic how to
install third party stuff on debian in a nice way, not how to get it
to actually work.
3532 [19:54:13] <somiaj> many who use debian try to stick to only
the 'free' or DFSG approved software, though debian
provides contrib and non-free of some software when the licenses
dno't meet the DFSG guidelines.
3533 [19:54:39] <somiaj> but this is why debian has main, contrib
and non-free to distnighish the differences between the liceneses
and useage of the products.
3534 [19:55:04] <Digz> somiaj, got ya. I probably won't have
any problems installing it or compiling anything, just wanted some
opinions on different products to accomplish what I need.... but it
seems that free products are ok to discuss, but some people seem to
get a little touchy feely when asking about a paid product..... but
I will remember that from now on.
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3542 [19:57:09] <somiaj> Digz: Most #debian supports the software
that is in debian (being free or non-free). Third party software
gets discussed, but depending on the software you may or may not run
across someone who has used it. And yes many prefer to push the
opensource software or DFSG software.
3543 [19:57:42] <somiaj> but there is nothing wrong with talking
about it, just don't expect much support (or even much
discussion) depending on the software.
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3545 [19:58:06] <Digz> somiaj, I understand! I rather have free as
well.... but this particular product seemed to offer a lot of
features so I was just wondering if anyone had used it.
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3547 [19:58:25] <nikitasius> if we want to speak about ftp, best
commercial on $windows was Gene6 7-8 years ago.
3548 [19:58:35] <somiaj> No problem with asking, you just may not
get much of a response.
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3550 [19:58:59] <somiaj> and yea, I would avoid ftp if you can,
since sftp is included with ssh and sftp clients are easy to get
ahold of.
3551 [20:00:14] <TechSmurf> Digz: I use OMV in a production
environment to great effect, but on its own I don't think it
accomplishes what you're seeking without using owncloud or such
on top of it.
3552 [20:00:30] <Digz> it was the web based features (browse,
click, upload from a webbrowser) that appealed to me. I am setting
up a file repository that monkey users have to be able to use as
well... I prefer it to run on a debian linux server.
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3555 [20:01:20] <teraflops> nextcloud/seafile look like that
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3558 [20:01:41] <Digz> and yeah I would use secure and get a ssl
cert for it... I will check out seafile, it looks promising
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3561 [20:02:01] <teraflops> Digz: you can with both of them
3562 [20:02:18] <Digz> teraflops, thanks, will check them out :)
3563 [20:02:40] <TechSmurf> OMV runs on top of debian, though.
FreeNAS/NAS4Free are BSD
3564 [20:02:52] <Digz> yeah
3565 [20:02:58] <TechSmurf> Don't even look at OpenFiler.
3566 [20:03:04] * TechSmurf shudders
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3568 [20:04:20] <TechSmurf> You could do samba over vpn?
3569 [20:04:30] <johnkeates> yes
3570 [20:04:40] <johnkeates> BSD is cool, so is debian
3571 [20:04:43] <johnkeates> windows is not cool
3572 [20:04:47] <johnkeates> osx is somewhere in between
3573 [20:04:50] <teraflops> TechSmurf: you mean for outside the
lan?
3574 [20:05:06] <nikitasius> bsd nice but a wheel rolled on me..
so i can't play in bsd :|
3575 [20:05:10] <TechSmurf> He's talking about sharing this
stuff with internationally located family.
3576 [20:05:12] <nikitasius> tried on 7 long time ago
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3580 [20:07:11] <teraflops> TechSmurf: yeah openvpn/tinc is
mandatory there :P
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implement lio in omv
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3587 [20:09:07] <TechSmurf> How's wheezy's lio support?
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3594 [20:12:16] <Digz> teraflops, I'm impressed with seafile
based on the demo, I am installing that first - thanks!
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3605 [20:16:54] <jhutchins_wk> Digz: I haven't read the whole
scrollback, but are you dealing with just pictures?
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3607 [20:17:08] <jhutchins_wk> Digz: You could set up a web server
with something like phpgallery.
3608 [20:17:28] <jhutchins_wk> Digz: If you need more document
types, go with a full LAMP CMS like WordPress or Drupal.
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3610 [20:18:15] <Digz> jhutchins_wk, videos, audio recordings,
possibly other files like word/excel and whatnot. Maybe even some
executables and zip files, it will be a family file repository.
Since I now have 1 Gbps upload it wouldn't be a big deal for me
to host it.
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3615 [20:19:52] <jhutchins_wk> Digz: I'd go with a LAMP CMS.
3616 [20:20:06] <jhutchins_wk> Digz: You can even make it pretty!
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3618 [20:20:25] <jhutchins_wk> Digz: Google Fiber?
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3623 [20:22:22] <nikitasius> for family only i use
nginx+https+webdav.
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3638 [20:29:54] <Digz> jhutchins_wk, AT&T Fiber (was
Gigapower).
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3655 [20:40:35] <nikitasius> Digz: lucky 1Gbit :)
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3665 [20:43:28] <Digz> nikitasius, i'm still amazed on how
fast it is. 1ms ping to speedtest.net and 2ms to the nearest 8.8.8.8
cache server.... :D
3666 [20:43:37] <state> Hey, how much hard drive space do I need
for debian sid? I had jessie 8.7 and then upgraded to sid and got
the message that I did not have enough hard drive space. What is
needed?
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3669 [20:44:31] <state> For my / folder I had 18 gigs for stable,
which was more than enough
3670 [20:44:47] <state> And I have about 16 gigs o ram
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3672 [20:45:49] <Digz> state, I typically deploy my debian
VM's on 20 GB, but I do often add second partitions for data
where needed. If I am on bare metal I use whatever disk space the
box has got. :P
3673 [20:46:02] <nikitasius> Digz: if one day i'll get optic,
i'll buy 2nd optic (from another provider) and install my own
server.
3674 [20:46:25] <nikitasius> stoned: debian.. just debian-only?
3675 [20:46:52] <nikitasius> ahh sorry read - upgrde. idk so
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3677 [20:47:15] <Digz> nikitasius, what I host isn't mission
critical enough to warrant 2 providers at my home.... 1x 1 Gbit/s is
more than enough. If I ever need to host something that is
absolutely mission critical and can't go down, i'll just
shove a pizzabox in a data center.
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3680 [20:48:14] <state> Digz, Is this enough for sid?
3681 [20:48:37] <nikitasius> Digz: i guess 2xGbit at home will
cost cheaper than in dc :)
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3683 [20:48:45] <Digz> state, when upgrading, it really depends on
all the stuff you have installed and are using.
3684 [20:49:27] <TechSmurf> state: if you're doing a
dist-upgrade to sid, perhaps the number of packages it needs to
download in one shot is the problem
3685 [20:49:37] <state> well, I install A LOT of stuff. But since
my upgrade FAILED, I have to start from scratch. You think it will
be easier now?
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3688 [20:51:23] <TechSmurf> state: In a limited drivespace
environment, I'd usually switch over my sources.list to the new
dist and then perform a series of rejecting apt-get upgrades and
then apt-get installing a few lines worth of packages, with apt-get
cleans between
3689 [20:52:01] <TechSmurf> Your "failed" install may
not even be all that failed.
3690 [20:52:09] <state> TechSmurf, you mean 'apt-get
autoremove'?
3691 [20:52:10] <Digz> nikitasius, you'd be amazed.... you
can host your own hardware for as little as $60 a month or so, and
then you aren't paying for the power either, and those
datacenters have diesel generators. Like I said, I don't host
anything that is mission critical. If it is mission critical, it
belongs in a data center anyways.... You should also remember that
residential fiber and cable paths run the same routes.... the main
road near your house likely has your
3692 [20:52:10] <Digz> telco AND your cable AND other providers on
it, so if a drunk idiot runs his truck in a pole you're down on
all providers. Datacenters are typically setup in locations where
they can have lines coming out on physically different locations in
the building, going in different directions.
3693 [20:52:18] <TechSmurf> state: no, I mean clean
3694 [20:52:28] <TechSmurf> state: apt-get clean deletes
downloaded .debs
3695 [20:52:29] <state> TechSmurf, What is the command exactly?
3696 [20:52:32] <phogg> state: why run sid?
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3699 [20:52:44] <state> phogg, multimedia
3700 [20:52:50] <state> phogg, production
3701 [20:53:02] <phogg> state: sounds like playing with fire to me
3702 [20:53:09] <TechSmurf> state: apt-get keeps all the debs it
downloads, can seriously clog a small drive
3703 [20:53:37] <state> 'apt-get clean', okay, i will
try that
3704 [20:53:50] <TechSmurf> state: for a full dist-upgrade to sid,
it probably tried to download *gigs* of packages at once
3705 [20:54:02] <state> TechSmurf, Yep, it sure did
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3707 [20:54:11] <TechSmurf> Your "failed" upgrade may
well just be that it ran out of space downloading the packages and
never even started trying to install them
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3710 [20:55:31] <state> phogg, The multimedia packages like
calf-audio-plugins are ancient in stable, hence the need to move to
sid. There are a lot of bugs in the older version of calf
3711 [20:55:53] <TechSmurf> Next step, apt-get upgrade, see how
much it wants to download, if it's excessive, hit N to reject
it, and apt-get install some of the packages from the list of what
apt-get upgrade wanted to do, accepting any dependencies it tosses
at you, and again checking to ensure the download isn't
excessive
3712 [20:55:58] <somiaj> or look into backports.
3713 [20:56:04] <phogg> state: I'm still not following. You
need newer packages, not "upgrading to sid." Just
backport.
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3715 [20:56:30] <curiousx> Hi there
3716 [20:56:32] <greycat> Why would you jump all the way to sid
instead of just going to stretch?
3717 [20:56:34] <phogg> I don't think anyone should
dist-upgrade to sid.
3718 [20:56:46] <state> phogg, There are also a lot of attendant
libraries that come with newer packages
3719 [20:57:36] <state> calf is one example, I also use blender,
darktable, ardour, lv2 plugins
3720 [20:57:37] <greycat> Also, I hate it when children call
things that are more than 1 year old "ancient".
3721 [20:57:41] <phogg> state: It's your time and effort
3722 [20:57:43] * phogg shrugs
3723 [20:57:57] <state> greycat, 2014 is older than one year,
daddy
3724 [20:58:21] <state> (calf plugins in stable)
3725 [20:58:37] <TechSmurf> Most of debian stable has a nasty
habit of being ancient.. but that kinda is what makes it stable ;)
3726 [20:58:39] <greycat> Gasp. It's TWO WHOLE YEARS old.
3727 [20:58:46] <greycat> You poor little thing, oh the pain.
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3729 [20:58:58] <state> greycat, We are in 2017
3730 [20:59:05] <nikitasius> TechSmurf: anyway people can change
to unstable and install what they need.. usually without killing a
system :)
3731 [20:59:06] <greycat> Very early part of 2017.
3732 [20:59:32] <nikitasius> like pam_mysql with sha1 support in
:)
3733 [20:59:46] <TechSmurf> state: nikitasius brings up a good
point... forget dist-upgrading to sid, just try installing the
packages you need and their deps :P
3734 [20:59:59] <nikitasius> TechSmurf: thats how i do, usually :)
3735 [21:00:05] <greycat> But, once again, if you want to run a
newer release than jessie, go to stretch. Not unstable.
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3737 [21:00:14] <somiaj> it is not suggested nor supported here to
mix stable and sid.
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3739 [21:00:20] <Dice-Man> another question at boot i have a start
job is running for LSB : raise Network interfaces
3740 [21:00:24] <nikitasius> safe-upgrade packets and someimes i
uncomment unstable and install something specific
3741 [21:00:38] <state> TechSmurf, So there is a twilight zone
between stable and sid?
3742 [21:00:41] <Dice-Man> i've tried to comment out the
/etc/network/interfaces file
3743 [21:00:48] <TechSmurf> state: yes. testing
3744 [21:00:48] <somiaj> nikitasius: you shouldn't install
testing/unstable packages in stable. Also please don't suggest
this to new users.
3745 [21:00:48] <phogg> I recommend against running sid. If
you're going to do it you get to keep both pieces when it
breaks. It's your choice if you want to deal with that.
3746 [21:00:49] <state> called 'stretch'?
3747 [21:01:08] <TechSmurf> state: testing is currently stretch,
which will one day be the next stable release
3748 [21:01:08] <state> The ground between light and shadow?
3749 [21:01:08] <greycat> !stretch
3750 [21:01:10] <dpkg> The release following Debian 8
"Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber
octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9:
replaced-url
3751 [21:01:12] <somiaj> Dice-Man: that service will still run
even without the interfaces file.
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3753 [21:01:23] <Dice-Man> i even tried to configure things with
systemd
3754 [21:01:35] <Dice-Man> but i always i have the same message
3755 [21:02:01] <phogg> state: stable, backports, testing. In that
order. Use sid when you want to help develop Debian, not when you
want new stuff.
3756 [21:02:12] <Dice-Man> is there any good procedure to take
things back to a "normal situation"
3757 [21:02:20] <Dice-Man> oh maybe it's another problem
3758 [21:02:34] <Dice-Man> i've my interface eth0-avahi
daemon
3759 [21:02:40] <TechSmurf> state: debian development starts with
sid, where broken things and *really* frequent changes are to be
expected. Next is testing, where major changes stop and bugfixing
begins, until the bugfixing reaches a point where it seems good
enough to be called "stable", and a new testing is created
3760 [21:02:46] <Dice-Man> i don't know what should i do ?
3761 [21:03:06] <TechSmurf> roughly, anyway
3762 [21:03:23] <state> Let me go check my debian to see if it can
be rescued
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3764 [21:03:39] <Dice-Man> when i enter the command ifconfig eth0
is appended with avahi
3765 [21:03:47] <nikitasius> somiaj: i need pam_mysql with sha1..
3766 [21:03:49] <Dice-Man> and the routes are messed up
3767 [21:03:54] <nikitasius> there is no pam_mysql with sha1
3768 [21:04:02] <nikitasius> oldest had md5 only
3769 [21:04:43] <somiaj> nikitasius: sure, and you can comple/make
backports etc stuff that is not in stable, but in terms of general
suggestions, don't max stable + testing/unstable.
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3774 [21:06:13] <Dice-Man> somiaj: i think there are differents
problems which occured but i cannot figure out how things work
3775 [21:06:19] <nikitasius> somiaj: here is sources.list from
server
replaced-url
3776 [21:06:24] <nikitasius> or on github
3777 [21:06:24] <jhutchins_wk> Dice-Man: Yes, there's a
procedure to "return to normal". It's called a
"clean install".
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3780 [21:06:45] <Dice-Man> jhutchins_wk: it is a clean install
3781 [21:06:49] <Dice-Man> that's the problem
3782 [21:07:11] <somiaj> nikitasius: and as I said this is not
something that should be suggested here and in general a bad way to
do things. Make a backport.
3783 [21:07:18] <curiousx> Can't access my VPS cuz i settled
up a firewall, iptables firewall following this:
replaced-url
3784 [21:07:23] <curiousx> pls helo :p
3785 [21:07:30] <nikitasius> somiaj: im agree. but sometimes
it's important :)
3786 [21:07:32] <somiaj> nikitasius: note it is your server and
feel free to admin it the way you want, we don't support mixing
here and this shouldn't be a suggestion.
3787 [21:07:34] <Dice-Man> i searched up the bug reports i want to
upgrade ifup
3788 [21:08:12] <somiaj> Dice-Man: why do you want to upgrade
ifupdown, what is the actual issue you are having?
3789 [21:08:25] <jhutchins_wk> Dice-Man: So from what I read here,
your 'problem' is that you see the LSB Network job at
startup.
3790 [21:08:33] <Dice-Man> yes exact
3791 [21:08:35] <Dice-Man> and
3792 [21:08:36] <nikitasius> somiaj: sure, vanilla debian ftw. But
there are nice packets what should be included and.. still unstable
3793 [21:08:43] <jhutchins_wk> Dice-Man: Other thing sound like
they happened when you tried to 'fix" that.
3794 [21:08:44] <somiaj> nikitasius: so make a backport.
3795 [21:08:51] <curiousx> I can access into a "recovery
mode" tho, how can i stop the iptables module from loading up
at boot time ?
3796 [21:09:01] <jhutchins_wk> Dice-Man: If you want networking
when your system starts that job is going to run.
3797 [21:09:03] <Dice-Man> my interface eth0 has another name
eth0-avahi
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3799 [21:09:16] <jhutchins_wk> Dice-Man: Why does that matter?
3800 [21:09:42] <Dice-Man> because it messes routes i want
configure the network with dhcp
3801 [21:10:16] <jhutchins_wk> You can call your interface fred if
you want
3802 [21:10:20] <nikitasius> somiaj: 0.7~RC1-4+b3 -> Mon, 09
Jan 2006 "pam-mysql 0.7RC1 is released." holy shit!
3803 [21:10:21] <Dice-Man> but when i configure the
/etc/network/interfaces it doesn't save the parameters
3804 [21:10:34] <Dice-Man> at reboot everything is messed up
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3806 [21:10:38] <jhutchins_wk> Dice-Man: What release is this?
3807 [21:10:42] <Dice-Man> jessie
3808 [21:10:54] <nikitasius> libpam-mysql stable:
replaced-url
3809 [21:10:57] <Dice-Man> i installed it from the livecd
3810 [21:11:05] <Dice-Man> it's inside a virtualbox machine
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3812 [21:11:08] <TechSmurf> nikitasius: is that from jessie?
3813 [21:11:12] <nikitasius> yes jessie
3814 [21:11:17] * TechSmurf facepalms
3815 [21:11:24] <nikitasius> 11 years ago! or 10 at least damn
3816 [21:11:30] <nikitasius> stable.. -.-
3817 [21:11:37] <TechSmurf> is very stable.
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3819 [21:11:48] <nikitasius> yes, but no sha1. unstable work
pretty nice on my mail server
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3821 [21:12:40] <TechSmurf> sha1 isn't even good anymore :\
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3826 [21:14:46] <Dice-Man> another thing when i do ifdown eth0
&& ifup eth0 everything is back to normal
3827 [21:14:49] <A|an> I'm about to install Ipython's
Jupyter notebook...the installer wants to place it at /root
...I'm kinda loath to do that...is there better than /opt?
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3830 [21:15:04] <greycat> /opt sounds perfect to me
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3833 [21:15:35] <A|an> yeah...root kinda gives me the willys...is
there an advantage to being in root for it, though
3834 [21:15:44] <jhutchins_wk> Dice-Man: jessie on vbox on Windows
10 works normally here.
3835 [21:15:46] <greycat> That just plain sounds *wrong*.
3836 [21:15:57] <greycat> Applications should not be installed in
/root
3837 [21:16:07] <A|an> yeah, my thoughts
3838 [21:16:11] <jhutchins_wk> Dice-Man: Do you have
Network-Manager running?
3839 [21:16:14] <A|an> just wanted a second opinion
3840 [21:16:19] <A|an> thanks
3841 [21:16:19] <Dice-Man> jhutchins_wk: yes
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3844 [21:16:42] <jhutchins_wk> Dice-Man: There ya go.
3845 [21:17:05] <jhutchins_wk> Dice-Man: Either configure it
manually or with NM, not both.
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3849 [21:18:08] <TechSmurf> A|an: perhaps it's designed to be
installed in a user's home directory, with the intent of the
user not having uid0?
3850 [21:18:22] <greycat> Yeah, that's what I was thinking
also.
3851 [21:18:46] <Dice-Man> jhutchins_wk: ok so i disable network
manager and try with the configuration file only ?
3852 [21:18:48] <A|an> ic...well, /opt it is, then...it's
what I normally do, anyway
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3854 [21:19:03] <jhutchins_wk> right.
3855 [21:19:06] <jhutchins_wk> !networking
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3857 [21:19:07] <dpkg> For basic networking, «man
interfaces» and see
replaced-url
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3859 [21:19:31] <TechSmurf> should be fine, unless it's also
designed to store files in its install directory and you attempt to
use it as a user lacking write access to said directory
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3862 [21:20:05] <TechSmurf> hopefully it's not that silly
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3864 [21:20:14] <A|an> no, I have complete access
3865 [21:20:15] <greycat> Or unless it hard-codes something like
reading files from $HOME/.whatever/
3866 [21:20:25] <greycat> Expecting that to be the installed
application.
3867 [21:21:01] <TechSmurf> Still, I've never heard of an
installer thinking /root is a great target.
3868 [21:21:02] <nikitasius> TechSmurf: try to connect dovecot +
postfix + sasl together :)
3869 [21:21:10] <TechSmurf> nikitasius: pass.
3870 [21:21:14] <nikitasius> sha1 - best what they can match
together
3871 [21:21:18] <Dice-Man> jhutchins_wk: ok i'm rebooting but
i've tried that and after reboot things are wrong
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3873 [21:21:21] <Dice-Man> *before
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3875 [21:21:24] <Dice-Man> we'll see
3876 [21:21:31] <greycat> nikitasius: best would be "just use
regular system accounts", no?
3877 [21:21:32] <TechSmurf> Don't even talk to me about
email. I'm so so so sick of email :P
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3879 [21:21:51] <nikitasius> greycat: nope, i have accounts in
mysql for mails
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3882 [21:22:02] <greycat> Of course you do.
3883 [21:22:12] <greycat> Gotta be as hard as possible, naturally.
3884 [21:22:15] <TechSmurf> I'd murder my mail server if it
wasn't so darn critical
3885 [21:22:41] * TechSmurf plots its demise as soon as this new zimbra
setup makes it to production
3886 [21:22:43] <nikitasius> finally this guy from github saved me
with his pam_mysql 0.8
3887 [21:22:50] <jhutchins_wk> Some installers will default to the
current working directory.
3888 [21:22:53] <Dice-Man> jhutchins_wk: it is booting i've
the same message about network interfaces
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3890 [21:23:07] <jhutchins_wk> There's also a scheme that
says install to $HOME.
3891 [21:23:31] <jhutchins_wk> drush for drupal does that.
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3893 [21:23:47] <jhutchins_wk> That or wp-cli for wordpress (or
maybe it's both).
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3895 [21:24:09] <jhutchins_wk> Dice-Man: Yes, it runs the LSB job
to bring up the interfaces. That's necessary.
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3897 [21:25:12] <jhutchins_wk> Dice-Man: It's also one of the
slowest parts of the current boot process.
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3899 [21:25:39] <nikitasius> TechSmurf: worst gift what i had from
maildevs: dovecot changed config files
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3901 [21:25:57] <nikitasius> you know when you have old good
config and one day it say #%^&!
3902 [21:26:08] <Dice-Man> jhutchins_wk: ok it booted the cmd
ifconfig show no ip address on the eth0 interface
3903 [21:26:17] <Dice-Man> and print another one etho-avahi
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3905 [21:26:43] <Dice-Man> i read a post where they said apt-get
remove avahi but the problem wasn't solved for me
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3909 [21:27:21] <Dice-Man> well eth0-avahi
3910 [21:27:25] <darsie> JBidwatcher says: "You must install
Oracle's Java 8 to run JBidwatcher. Download it from here:
replaced-url
3911 [21:27:29] <Dice-Man> sorry for my mistake
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3913 [21:27:49] <jhutchins_wk> Dice-Man: Did you read the material
that dpkg linked for you earlier?
3914 [21:28:05] <jhutchins_wk> !java
3915 [21:28:06] <dpkg> Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO
language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java
implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other
implementations packaged; for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze"
systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64
only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java
alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>,
<java-package>.
replaced-url
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3923 [21:34:03] <darsie> I installed openjdk-8-jre-headless
icedtea-7-plugin openjdk-8-jre but JBidwatcher still tells me to
install Oracle java 8.
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3931 [21:36:55] <nickgaw> Hi, I have several downloads I need to
download from Amazon S3 that have odd access keys in the download
links and while I can download them using a browser putting all of
the downloads into one shell script and putting quotes around the
long urls would be best but wget does not like the long urls as
changes happen is there some type of content trusting or option that
lets it act like a browser?
3932 [21:36:58] <darsie> I want to snipe an ebay auction and not
stay up till 3:33 am or give my password to some web service.
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3937 [21:37:32] <somiaj> nickgaw: afiak there are some tools from
amazon you cna access s3 accounts with them and not need crazy
browser links
3938 [21:37:58] <Dice-Man> jhutchins_wk: i've created a
connection through the graphical editor it keeps stucking
3939 [21:37:59] <somiaj> nickgaw: there is even s3fs so you can
mount an s3 share and use rsync/cp
3940 [21:38:12] <nickgaw> even programs that I buy from other
users that use Amazon services I can use with them?
3941 [21:38:33] <darsie> ok, I'll try the non free java ...
3942 [21:38:39] <somiaj> nickgaw: I don't know what you meay
programs you buy from others.
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3944 [21:38:57] <somiaj> nickgaw: I'm just givving suggtions
on access an s3 remote storage using more direct tools than a
browser and wget
3945 [21:39:13] <nickgaw> digital downloads like audio programs
and windows installers that use Amazon S3 to deliver the content.
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3947 [21:39:50] <jhutchins_wk> Dice-Man: I'm afraid I'm
not able to imagine what you're actually doing. I know my VM
didn't have any problems, nor do my hardware installs.
Networking in Jessie is stable and reliable and works the way you
tell it to work. There are no problems detecting hardware and no
uncertainties about configuration in a standard install.
3948 [21:40:40] <somiaj> nickgaw: I don't know the tools that
well, but the ones I'm thinknig of are for access your storage
with a key, if someone has something hosted on amazon s3 to provide
links to, unsure if there are tools for this as you won't have
direct access to their s3 storage anyways.
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3950 [21:41:12] <nickgaw> What tools are they the ones that you
have used?
3951 [21:41:33] <jhutchins_wk> Dice-Man: I would recommend that
you read the install guide, the NetworkConfiguration page, and
possibly more of the manual so you'll have a better idea how to
go about setting it up in an orderly and successful manner, then go
back and start the installer again.
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3953 [21:41:43] <somiaj> what ever amazon provides, they were just
tools to upload/download data directly to my s3 account.
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3959 [21:42:21] <nickgaw> so you personally used S3 for storage
then?
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3961 [21:42:56] <jhutchins_wk> darsie: openjdk-8 should be Oracle
8.
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3966 [21:43:50] <darsie> jhutchins: openjdk-8-jre ?
3967 [21:44:20] <somiaj> you have to get it from jessie-backports
though
3968 [21:44:25] <somiaj> ,v openjdk-8-jre
3969 [21:44:26] <judd> Package: openjdk-8-jre on amd64 --
jessie-backports: 8u121-b13-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 8u121-b13-3; sid:
8u121-b13-4
3970 [21:45:10] <jhutchins_wk> darsie: I wouldn't expect any
of the iced tea stuff to work against a compatibility checker.
3971 [21:46:56] <jhutchins_wk> darsie: I've seen java
packages that required the whole JDK to be installed instead of just
the JRE, but most developers know better these days.
3972 [21:46:57] <somiaj> nickgaw: I don't any more, I once
built a bunch of custom images for aws which I had to upload to
amazon via s3 storage. So I know there are a tools that make this
nice. But sounds like your use is more you are getting stuff from
other s3 storage and I have no experience with the tools and doing
this.
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3974 [21:47:49] <nickgaw> ok I will take a look.
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3976 [21:47:53] <darsie> I installed openjdk-8-jre-headless and
openjdk-8-jre. not sure where from. I have jessie-backports
configured.
3977 [21:50:00] <darsie> Now I also installed openjdk-8-jdk, which
also pulled -headless. Still same message.
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3979 [21:50:37] <darsie> Maybe a problem with JBidwatcher Quick
Start Guide - Updated July 2, 2005
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3981 [21:51:15] <darsie> Hmm ... Stable Version May 25, 2014
JBidwatcher 2.5.6; Edge Version January 13, 2016 JBidwatcher
2.99pre5
3982 [21:51:39] <darsie> I prefer esniper, but it doesn't
work.
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3988 [21:54:04] <TomTomTo1> you probably need to set openjdk-8-jre
to be the default jre. check java -version might need to run
update-java-alternatives
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4001 [21:58:44] <moldy> hi
4002 [21:58:45] <moldy>
replaced-url
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4004 [21:58:54] <moldy> where exactly does the "WRONG"
part start?
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4009 [22:01:51] <moldy> also, can i use postfix-to-mailman.py on a
domain that also has non-list addresses?
4010 [22:02:16] <moldy> ah, apparently not...
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4012 [22:02:46] <Iridos> maybe there's a chapter labelled
"WRONG"? What are you talking about anyway
4013 [22:03:15] <moldy> Iridos: " The instructions below are
WRONG! ", see the link i posted
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4016 [22:03:37] <Bliepo> Hello, I'm having trouble with my
network card (WiFi) not being recognized. It has a BCM4366 chipset
and I installed the firmware-brcm80211 from jessie-backports. But it
still does not work :-(
4017 [22:03:52] <moldy> but i think i get it now.
postfix-to-mailman.py is recommended iff you have a dedicated domain
for lists
4018 [22:04:45] <Iridos> heh… very helpful of…
someone… writing it is wrong instead of correcting it
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4020 [22:05:03] <moldy> mailman is a major PITA to setup :-/
4021 [22:05:24] <Dice-Man> jhutchins_wk: ok thanks for your help
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4023 [22:06:00] <Iridos> at least on jessie… that should be
/usr/lib/mailman/bin/postfix-to-mailman.py or
/usr/share/mailman/postfix-to-mailman.py
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4025 [22:06:33] <moldy> Iridos: yeah, but it doesn't support
my use-case. i need foo@example.org to be a list, but
bar@example.org to be a normal user
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4027 [22:06:38] <Iridos> I guess that makes the comment doubly
helpful
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4029 [22:07:02] <moldy> i am tempted to migrate my lists to google
groups right now :p
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4031 [22:08:11] <TomTomTo1> Bliepo: lspci -nnk | grep -i network
-A2; apt-cache policy firmware-brcm80211; uname -a to
paste.debian.net please.
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4033 [22:08:38] <TomTomTo1> Bliepo: also, what does modprobe -r
brcmsmac ; modprobe brcmsmac say?
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4036 [22:10:03] <Bliepo> TomTomTo1:
replaced-url
4037 [22:10:03] <darsie> TomTomTo1: setting java-8 worked.
JBitwatcher starts now but has a different issue, probably no
X-server ...
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4039 [22:10:19] <TomTomTo1> darsie: yay, progress.
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4041 [22:10:41] <Bliepo> TomTomTo1: modprobe -r brcmsmac ;
modprobe brcmsmac says nothing
4042 [22:10:46] <darsie> Now, what was that x-forwarder I used ...
4043 [22:11:19] <moldy> is there an alternative to mailman that is
well supported on debian and easier to setup?
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4047 [22:14:12] <TomTomTo1> Bliepo: you did not install the driver
from jessie-backports. also, is the module loaded at all? lsmod |
grep brcmsmac
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4050 [22:16:08] <Bliepo> TomTomTo1: installing from backports
should work by using 'sudo apt-get install firmware-brcm80211
-t jessie-backports' right?
4051 [22:16:23] <`slikts> is it true that devuan was inspired by
dolan duck?
4052 [22:16:33] <TomTomTo1> Bliepo: seems like that chipset is
only supported by the driver in jessie-backports.
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4054 [22:16:47] <TomTomTo1> Bliepo: you need to enable backports
in your sources first.
4055 [22:17:01] <TomTomTo1>
replaced-url
4056 [22:17:01] <jhutchins_wk> moldy: As far as I know the other
mailing list handlers are less reliable and harder to set up.
4057 [22:17:14] <jhutchins_wk> moldy: That's why mailman is
the defacto standard.
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4059 [22:17:20] <moldy> jhutchins_wk: thanks for the insight
4060 [22:17:46] <moldy> jhutchins_wk: i might just migrate to
plain aliases and drop the self-management capability of mailman
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4063 [22:18:15] <Bliepo> TomTomTo1: I did add backports, but do I
need to add 'non-free' in addition to 'main'?
4064 [22:18:34] <TomTomTo1> Bliepo: ah, yes.
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4066 [22:20:29] <jhutchins_wk> moldy: You might look at majordomo.
4067 [22:20:39] <darsie> xpra
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4071 [22:22:41] <Bliepo> TomTomTo1: still not working :'(
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4083 [22:24:44] <TomTomTo1> Bliepo: I believe you will also need
the backported kernel.
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4087 [22:25:07] <tobiasBora> Hello,
4088 [22:25:30] <tobiasBora> I'm trying to increase the
txpower of my wifi card (it's very difficult for me to read the
wifi signal)
4089 [22:25:48] <tobiasBora> but when I try it it does not work.
Here is an example:
replaced-url
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4092 [22:26:22] <jhutchins_wk> !bcm4366
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4097 [22:27:56] <jhutchins_wk> Bliepo: WHich kernel do you have?
4098 [22:28:08] <Bliepo> 3.16 something
4099 [22:28:21] <jhutchins_wk> Bliepo: uname -r - you need 4.4 or
newer.
4100 [22:28:41] <jhutchins_wk> ,kernels
4101 [22:28:42] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686
(4.9.13-1); stretch: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.13-1); jessie-backports:
4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.13-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-2)
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4103 [22:29:10] <Bliepo> In progress
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4105 [22:30:03] <dionysus69> weird thing is happening. I log into
my system and I have alias declared in .profile but is not
accessible. is acessible after I source .profile though. I had never
experienced this, .profile was always sourced at system startup
4106 [22:30:33] <somiaj> dionysus69: man bash, at the top notice
the difference between login and non-login shells
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4109 [22:30:50] <Bliepo> brb
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4111 [22:31:01] <greycat> dionysus69: aliases go in ~/.bashrc
4112 [22:31:04] <somiaj> dionysus69: only login shells will read
.profile and if you have a .bash_profile it won't read
.profile, interactive shells like xterms, etc won't source
.profile by default, only .bashrc
4113 [22:31:11] <tobiasBora> $ sudo iwlist wlp3s0 txpower
4114 [22:31:13] <tobiasBora> wlp3s0 unknown transmit-power
information.
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4116 [22:31:15] <tobiasBora> Current Tx-Power=16 dBm (39 mW)
4117 [22:31:24] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Mine are in
~/.bash_aliases
4118 [22:31:42] <dionysus69> ok thanks I ll put it in .bashrc then
:) my first alias xD
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4120 [22:32:47] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: which works if you source
that from ~/.bashrc
4121 [22:33:20] <greycat> ... oh, joy, /etc/skel/.bashrc sources
~/.bash_aliases if it exists. Because we needed more confusion. Yay.
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4127 [22:36:14] <mystified1234> hey guys have an dmesg error. how
to locate the hardware by port address
4128 [22:36:33] <mystified1234> PCIe Bus Error:
severity=Corrected, type=Data Link Layer, id=0018(Transmitter ID)
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4130 [22:36:58] <darsie> TomTomTo1: Yay, JBidwatcher is runnin on
my headless server with it's display forwarded to my desktop
with xpra.
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4133 [22:37:57] <TomTomTo1> great ^^
4134 [22:38:39] <n4dir> i thought skel would be only a default
file to offer a template when new users get created?
4135 [22:39:20] <greycat> Yes. Which means 99% of the people here
are using a .bashrc straight from there.
4136 [22:39:21] <n4dir> as root i did adduser, then logged in as
that user, and did diff ~/.bashrc /etc/skel/.bashrc
4137 [22:39:28] <n4dir> ah, ok
4138 [22:39:51] <n4dir> but then in the end what sources
~/.bash_aliases is ~/.bashrc, or not?
4139 [22:40:03] <greycat> Correct.
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4141 [22:40:29] <n4dir> okay. all those files, one sourcing the
other back and forth, is giving me hard times.... (well: at least it
works )
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4143 [22:40:46] <greycat> That's why I was not pleased to see
that the default .bashrc does that.
4144 [22:41:11] <n4dir> got you now.
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4146 [22:42:13] <tw> and then there's --login. >.<
4147 [22:43:15] <greycat> your .profile or .bash_profile should
(MUST) source .bashrc so that's OK
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4151 [22:43:44] <greycat> The real issue comes when people think
they can put things in .profile and have it work, but they login
through a display manager. Oopsie.
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4153 [22:44:22] <tw> On a multi-shell system, .profile should
probably not.
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4155 [22:44:38] <greycat> On a real multi-shell system, you would
probably create a .bash_profile
4156 [22:44:55] <tw> Right. Does skel provide that?
4157 [22:45:09] <greycat> even if it just contains test -f
~/.profile && . ~/.profile; test -f ~/.bashrc && .
~/.bashrc
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4159 [22:45:22] <somiaj> tw ls -a /etc/skel
4160 [22:45:23] <greycat> No, nothing in /etc/skel
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4162 [22:46:23] <somiaj> though outside of bash (or other shells)
does anything else use /etc/skel by default, seems most programs
create a defuat config or use defaults if no config is found
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4165 [22:47:10] <n4dir> i have seen liveCD's based on debian
with quite a bit added to skel (but i sure forgot what exactly)
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4168 [22:47:40] <psychoticwarrior> whats up all linux freaks
4169 [22:47:49] <somiaj> n4dir: why would a livecd need stuff in
/etc/skel, woudln't it already have a user created, or is that
what /home/user is created from during the loading of th elive cd?
4170 [22:48:00] <greycat> somiaj: in theory you could put anything
you want in /etc/skel (like .muttrc), but most such applications
create their own default config file, or limp along without one
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4173 [22:48:38] <n4dir> somiaj: they added it *if it will be
installed and then other users will be created. I think
4174 [22:49:11] <somiaj> greycat: yup, it is useful espically if
you want to provide defaults to new users that are different than
the system, I was just courious if outside of shells any other
programs prefered to ship defaults that way.
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4176 [22:50:07] <Bliepo> Hmmm, I'm on kernel
4.9.0.0.bpo.2-amd64 but still not working :-(
4177 [22:50:08] <n4dir> i just mounted the distro i had in mind
and checked /etc/skel, and there is nothing but what is in debian
too. I seem to have remembered wrong. Sorry
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4181 [22:52:25] <TomTomTo1> Bliepo: what do apt-cache policy
firmware-brcm80211; modprobe -r brcmsmac; modprobe brcmsmac say now?
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4185 [22:53:54] <Bliepo> TomTomTo1:
replaced-url
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4187 [22:54:14] <Bliepo> dmesg contains this: [ 28.799805]
brcmfmac 0000:01:00.0: firmware: failed to load
brcm/brcmfmac4366c-pcie.bin (-2)
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4190 [22:55:13] <psychoticwarrior> how come i cant capture https
traffic but i can capture plaintext in http
4191 [22:55:18] <psychoticwarrior> using ettercap
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4193 [22:55:33] <bazhang> psychoticwarrior, whats the end goal
4194 [22:55:46] <psychoticwarrior> the end goal just to capture
data on my own network
4195 [22:56:04] <psychoticwarrior> sometimes it works but
sometimes it doesnt
4196 [22:56:21] <TomTomTo1> ,pciid 1043:86fb
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4198 [22:56:29] <bazhang> why do you need to do that
psychoticwarrior
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4200 [22:56:34] <judd> [1043:86fb] is 'Unknown device'
from 'ASUSTeK Computer Inc.' with no known kernel module
in jessie or in sid. See also
replaced-url
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4202 [22:56:55] <psychoticwarrior> not sure just to learn it
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4204 [22:57:15] <bazhang> psychoticwarrior, is that really a
debian issue
4205 [22:57:24] <psychoticwarrior> no not really
4206 [22:57:32] <bazhang> ##networking
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4214 [22:59:23] <Bliepo> In other words: my network card is simply
incompatible?
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4238 [23:07:09] <rgr> Is there a clean way to make rsnapshot mount
the backup drive? or do I just knock up a script to mount and umount
that then specify my script as the cron process call?
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4241 [23:08:29] <psychoticwarrior> rip the network card out of the
cpu and pee all over it
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4243 [23:10:45] <Bliepo> Actually, I still have 12 days to send it
back and get my money back :P
4244 [23:11:03] <Bliepo> But I found this:
replaced-url
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4252 [23:14:33] <psychoticwarrior> yea get money back and then
purchase one that is compatible with youur system
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4254 [23:15:32] <bobolo> hi how can i set my squid proxy for a
machine with eth0 ( connect to a router with intern. ) and a wlan0 (
used to share connex to other clients ) ?
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4271 [23:24:17] <n4dir> Bliepo: did anyone strongly recommend
against using wl yet?
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4281 [23:28:12] <DammitJim> is there a "right" place to
put SSL certificates on a server?
4282 [23:28:22] <DammitJim> to be used by applications developed
in house?
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4327 [23:46:58] <semitones> Hey Iḿ setting up a debian-based
server, and I'm interested in the sensors. Is it recommended to
run the hddtemp daemon (disabled by default) and sensord?
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4348 [23:55:07] <rebekah> are there any particularly easy ways to
remove all uncessary packages from a fresh install?
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4353 [23:57:20] <teraflops> rebekah: if you do a fresh install do
not install unnecessary packages
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4356 [23:57:47] <teraflops> then you won't have to uninstall
things right after installing debian
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4359 [23:58:21] <rebekah> teraflops: well its a vps so its a
'fresh' install of whatever image they are using...
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4362 [23:59:30] <rebekah> i would say even a minimal install of
debian has extra packages that arent totally necessary installed
(aptitude,etc)
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4364 [23:59:41] <teraflops> rebekah: idk
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