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2 [00:00:31] <psicobra> Rarity, usually a close model number
will work
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7 [00:01:01] <Rarity> psicobra, the thing is there is no PIXMA
TS or just TS models
8 [00:01:42] <psicobra> Rarity, yeah i was just looking at the
available drivers
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10 [00:01:56] <psicobra> just try a few different ones
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12 [00:02:05] <psicobra> got nothing to loose
13 [00:02:19] <alkisg> Rarity: you can download the driver from
their site,
replaced-url
14 [00:02:38] <alkisg> It's in .deb form
15 [00:02:42] <Rarity> Yeah, I'll try. I don't feel
like going back to exchange it
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18 [00:03:16] <Rarity> Oh
19 [00:03:23] <Rarity> Maybe one of those will work
20 [00:03:25] <alkisg> Having an hp plug 'n' play
printer is good for future installations though :)
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22 [00:03:44] <alkisg> Imagine trying to use it 10 years later,
when no drivers from their site will work...
23 [00:04:16] <psicobra> Rarity,
replaced-url
24 [00:04:44] <psicobra> alkisg, the last HP i had had no linux
supported drivers
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26 [00:05:23] <BlackFerdyPT> Anyone: following the instructions
at
replaced-url
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29 [00:07:05] <Rarity> Ok I installed one of the deb file now
I'll test
30 [00:07:12] <psicobra> gl
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33 [00:08:40] <alkisg> psicobra: which model was that?
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44 [00:11:32] <Rarity> Oh it worked!!!
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47 [00:11:47] <Rarity> Thanks alkisg and psicobra
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53 [00:15:24] <BlackFerdyPT> Rarity, Yes. Going to the
manufacturer's own webpage, and looking for "support"
and "downloads" sections is the usual way to go.
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55 [00:15:55] <Rarity> Yeah I didn't notice there was deb
files
56 [00:16:37] <psicobra> Rarity, welcome
57 [00:16:46] <BlackFerdyPT> Rarity, the website I first
mentioned was just a reference to see if there was such driver.
Always download drivers from the manufacturer's websites.
Others can contain malware.
58 [00:17:29] <Rarity> Yeah I know about that.
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62 [00:18:10] <annadane> compatibility is by far the biggest
PITA with linux
63 [00:18:23] <annadane> "my wifi doesn't work because
drivers" "my printer doesn't work because
drivers"
64 [00:18:40] <dvs> "my car doesn't work because of
drivers"
65 [00:18:46] <annadane> ...
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67 [00:19:04] <BlackFerdyPT> Well. Looks like I'll have to
try Ubuntu again, for games installations. Bye all.
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82 [00:32:43] <edju> Running Jessie here. Whenever I open KMail
4.14.1. akonadi spams the console with wierd stuff - a lot.
I've pasted some of it at
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83 [00:32:59] <pos> annadane, avoid broadcom and mediatek wifi,
get a brother printer
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85 [00:33:45] <pos> nbd in #lede/openwrt actually wrote drivers
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120 [01:02:26] <wewlad> what language do daemons wrute their logs
in?
121 [01:02:30] <wewlad> write*
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132 [01:06:15] <annadane> probably depends on the daemo
133 [01:06:16] <annadane> n
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141 [01:09:12] <u0_a214_> hi u all
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146 [01:10:20] <dvs> allo
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190 [01:43:06] <soul-d> so i did something and suddly my desktop
is a virtual screen little bigger and now it moves around all tje
time tried schanging resolution but it still makes desktop buiggewr
then actual scren
191 [01:43:17] <soul-d> how do i undo this virtual screen
192 [01:44:46] <Tom_-> arandr command maybe
193 [01:44:58] <Tom_-> there's resolution changers in
different desktop environments
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203 [01:48:41] <soul-d> ah better method is usoing nvidia
settings then move screen somewhere far randomly away from their
edged then it fixes this virutal screen din't do it last time i
tried it though
204 [01:48:55] <soul-d> maybe multi monitor thing
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400 [04:34:40] <azzz> hi guys... screaming panic pulling my hair
out here. 30-40 mins ago i let my stretch do an update it wanted to
do ... it restarted, installed, restarted again like it suppose to
... when i get back into my system, all my stuff is missing. now,
"All my stuff" is actually an sshfs location mounted to my
machine from a server here ... its making the connection fine no
errors, i can browse to locations fine as always mounted as
locations on my
401 [04:34:40] <azzz> machine, but ALLLLLLLLLL my stuff is GONE
.... i cant see a thing ... if i ssh into the server, i see all my
stuff is still sitting right there .... ANY idea what in the WORLD
has happened ?
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403 [04:35:35] <azzz> i use stretch stable ... and everything
file management is always with default nautiuls
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405 [04:40:00] <azzz> i cant find anything remotely related
through google... hence here
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420 [04:50:19] <annadane> i guess the first thing to do is to
look at /var/log/apt/history.log to see what actually got updated
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439 [05:00:46] <n0am> how to get clisp in stretch?
440 [05:02:17] <annadane> ,v clisp
441 [05:02:18] <judd> Package: clisp on amd64 -- wheezy:
1:2.49-8.1; buster: 1:2.49.20170913-4+b1; sid: 1:2.49.20170913-4+b1;
experimental: 1:2.49.20180218+really2.49.92-1
442 [05:02:29] <annadane> !ssb
443 [05:02:29] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude
install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b
source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change
compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions
newer than sid see <uupdate>.
444 [05:03:17] <n0am> is there another lisp available?
445 [05:03:25] <n0am> instead of backport?
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447 [05:03:57] <annadane> not sure
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469 [05:18:38] <xecuter> hi
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471 [05:18:54] <moussa> o/
472 [05:19:10] <xecuter> what do you think about Debian on ARM
TinkerBoard (Asus) ?
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474 [05:19:57] <moussa> if it works should be ok
475 [05:20:16] <moussa> !?
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477 [05:20:22] <xecuter> do you know some debian tipps and
tricks?
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482 [05:21:08] <annadane> !newcomer
483 [05:21:08] <dpkg> Welcome to Debian! Here's some
resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook:
replaced-url
484 [05:21:19] <annadane> i'm glad i decided to make that
485 [05:21:34] <xecuter> i have a mysterium. in synaptic...
"linux-image" there is no one installed
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494 [05:26:11] <xecuter> how i can "kernel update", now
?
495 [05:26:53] <annadane> what does dpkg -l linux-image* say?
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499 [05:27:38] <xecuter> dpkg-query: Kein Paket gefunden, das auf
linux-image passt
500 [05:27:45] <xecuter> no packet found
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503 [05:28:37] <annadane> um...
504 [05:28:42] * annadane shrugs
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508 [05:30:14] <xecuter> if i join about putty: message stuff....
Linux Pinguin 4.4.71+ #1 SMP armv71
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512 [05:31:12] <annadane> !pinguin
513 [05:31:22] <annadane> are you actually running debian?
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515 [05:31:44] <xecuter> Debian GNU/Linux
516 [05:32:03] <dvs> xecuter, then you would have linux-image
packages
517 [05:32:32] <xecuter> (stretch)
518 [05:32:41] <dvs> xecuter, you couldn't start up Debian
without those packages.
519 [05:33:33] <xecuter> in synaptic, there are linux-images. but
no one is selected/installed. so i can not understand, what
kernel-image is compatible
520 [05:33:58] <annadane> 4.4.71 is a really weird kernel to have
521 [05:34:02] <annadane> and also really old
522 [05:34:04] <dvs> very
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524 [05:35:56] <annadane> what does uname -a say
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527 [05:36:14] <xecuter> in synaptic i see hmm...
linux-image-armmp ; linux-image-armmp-lpae ;
linux-image-4.9.0.6-armmp
528 [05:36:36] <annadane> well, yes, 4.9.0.6 is standard stable
kernel
529 [05:36:57] <xecuter> but there is no preinstalled there, so i
can not orientating
530 [05:37:08] <xecuter> uname -r : 4.4.71+
531 [05:37:17] <annadane> i said -a...
532 [05:37:45] <xecuter> uname -a : Linux Pinguin 4.4.71+ #1 SMP
Thu Sep 28 00:28:12 CST 2017 armv7l GNU/Linux
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536 [05:39:32] <annadane> xecuter, where did you get your linux
installation from
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540 [05:40:55] <annadane> you're not using debian and
i've never heard of linux pinguin and searching it is yielding
no results
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543 [05:41:28] <xecuter> from tinkerboard co uk , i think so
544 [05:41:39] <xecuter> debian for arm (tinkerboard)
545 [05:42:52] <annadane> well, anyway, debian is reserved for
debian questions
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547 [05:42:57] <annadane> !based on debian
548 [05:42:57] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare
replaced-url
549 [05:43:11] <annadane> it's not that i'm trying to
be unhelpful but we really can't know the answers to your
questions
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551 [05:43:53] <annadane> i would point you in the direction of
support resources but i don't know where those would be, i
guess a good place to start is ##armbian
552 [05:44:02] <annadane> sorry; #armbian
553 [05:44:02] <xecuter> hmmm i thought if it is not debian so it
is a distribution. as like as ubuntu
554 [05:44:25] <annadane> yes, we don't accept ubuntu
questions here either, as a rule
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569 [05:49:52] <xecuter> hmmm...
replaced-url
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571 [05:50:55] <dvs> xecuter, What does "cat
/etc/debian_version" say?
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573 [05:51:16] <xecuter> 9.4
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580 [05:53:09] <xecuter> $cat /proc/version -->> Linux
version 4.4.71+ (jenkins@replaced-ip ) (gcc version 5.4.0 20160609 (Ubuntu/Linaro
5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.4) ) #1 SMP Thu Sep 28 00:28:12 CST 2017
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582 [05:53:39] <xecuter> uhh i have ubuntu? lol. that is
unexpected
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589 [05:54:56] <annadane> anyway, you can probably try asking
##linux for any questions you have
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592 [05:55:38] <xecuter> i will try
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616 [06:08:04] <OtakuSenpai>
replaced-url
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618 [06:08:38] <OtakuSenpai> copied from here
replaced-url
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620 [06:08:40] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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670 [06:43:05] <Nawab> hello
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683 [06:51:58] <n4dir> annadane: awal1 As advised by the both of
you i disabled cookies and set the sites where i want them in the
exceptions (in firefox'es Preferences). When i close Firefox, i
gotta start all over again. I have set Firefox to remove everything
after it closes. Any idea how to work around it?
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685 [06:54:15] <annadane> afaik there isn't a way to do that
in firefox; are you on esr in stable? then i don't remember
whether you can install the cookie delete extension thing and
whether it has an option to keep only certain cookies but wipe
everything when shut down
686 [06:54:19] <annadane> tl;dr: i don't know, sorry
687 [06:54:42] <annadane> i'm referencing
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689 [06:54:53] <awal1> n4dir, I told you me i always set firefox
to remove everything after it closes; I haven't suggested you
that. but yeah, I suggested you to make exceptions
690 [06:55:09] <n4dir> ah, ok, thanks. It doesn't bother me
that much (i need cookies for a very few sites, rather 2 than 5 :-)
). But if it was possible, it would be a more elegant solution.
691 [06:55:28] <annadane> assuming what you want is to only allow
certain cookies but wipe everything including those cookies upon
closing it
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693 [06:55:35] <n4dir> anyway: your (plural) solution is perfect.
Thanks again
694 [06:55:35] <awal1> exceptions is compatible with not accepts
other cookies
695 [06:55:59] <annadane> i stopped using firefox anyway and
moved to waterfox, which is a lot better with extension
compatibility
696 [06:56:09] <n4dir> annadane: i don't want to keep the
cookies, i want to keep the exceptions
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698 [06:56:20] <awal1> n4dir, my idea was: block all cookies
except the one you put in 'exceptions'
699 [06:56:29] <n4dir> awal1: yes, that is what i did.
700 [06:57:15] <n4dir> Well: i guess if i don't accept
cookies, there is no reason to delete them if i close firefox ...
:-)
701 [06:57:17] <awal1> n4dir, in that case you can make firefox
remove everything when it closes, except cookies
702 [06:57:28] <n4dir> awal1: yeah. will try that.
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704 [06:58:04] <awal1> check if in remove everything after
'close' you can uncheck cookies, if it is there
705 [06:58:08] <awal1> n4dir
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707 [06:58:36] <n4dir> hmm. that didn't work either.
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709 [06:59:43] <n4dir> i will just add the exception each time i
visit a website where i need them.
710 [06:59:46] <awal1> in remove everything you have a cookies
line?
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713 [07:00:20] <awal1> i have firefox in a vm, let me start it
and see
714 [07:00:36] <n4dir> awal1: yes. You have a cookies line
715 [07:00:37] <awal1> I need a few minutes, slow machine here
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718 [07:00:57] <n4dir> in exceptions there is also a) allow for
session and b) allow. But both seem to do the same thing.
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720 [07:01:26] <awal1> n4dir, so my guess is unchecking that line
, firefox will remove everything except the cookies in
'exceptions'
721 [07:01:30] <n4dir> my main problem was that cookies were
stored which i didn't want. That problem is solved, thanks to
the both of you.
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724 [07:04:16] <n4dir> awal1: i excluded "Site
Preferences" from getting cleaned after firefox-shutdown, and
now the Exceptions are getting kept. Whew. Thanks for your help
725 [07:04:39] <annadane> i have no clue how true this is and
it's possible debian takes steps to curate this but
replaced-url
726 [07:05:20] <annadane> not trying to sell people on one or
another, though
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731 [07:06:05] <awal1> n4dir, nice for you so, I guess
'cookies' in exceptions are 'site preferences'
related so?
732 [07:06:22] <n4dir> awal1: you ask the wrong guy, but yes, it
looks like what you said.
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735 [07:07:18] <n4dir> i had that "problem" for more
than a year, rather two. Not sure when cookies-monster was not
available for firefox anymore. Pretty easy solution, and even
without a plugin (which i always prefer)
736 [07:07:41] <n4dir> annadane: i don't fully understand.
You speak about privacy regarding firefox?
737 [07:07:57] <n4dir> you = reddit post you linked to.
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739 [07:08:41] <annadane> yeah so i just linked to a comment
someone else made, quoting someone else who said "you can opt
out of telemetry" and them responding "until they have a
'bug' which..."
740 [07:08:47] <awal1> n4dir, well I believe so if as you say,
checking everything except 'cookies' and 'site
preferences' in 'remove everything when ff closes' ,
firefox doesn't remove your cookies saved in '
history'cookies-exceptions'
741 [07:08:49] <n4dir> anyway i was much into darknets before i
ran into different "problems".
742 [07:09:20] <awal1> pme I just clean everything after close
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744 [07:09:30] <annadane> people are having objections to firefox
over the recent months which surprises me as i always felt it was
trustworthy
745 [07:09:41] <bipul> bnm,nm.''
746 [07:10:05] <awal1> ff startup page is bloated with stupid
stuff now
747 [07:10:10] <n4dir> annadane: when it came to darknets there
always were some default settings of firefox which are, to put it
mildly, questionable. But such subjects are above me.
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749 [07:10:40] <n4dir> i looked at all possible browsers, but
always went back to firefox.
750 [07:10:42] <annadane> i think some people using waterfox
don't even care about the privacy, they just want to keep being
able to use their extensions
751 [07:10:58] <annadane> anyway, it and the privacy policies
sold me, but i'm not here to advocate one or another
752 [07:12:18] <n4dir> dillo to the rescue ! :-)
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754 [07:13:11] <awal1> security+privacy+customization ff wins
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758 [07:14:11] <awal1> chromium is also secure but privacy and
customization almost 0
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760 [07:15:08] <annadane> i think not a lot of people are aware
of waterfox, or really anything other than firefox/chrome/chromium
761 [07:15:20] <annadane> i see brave/vivaldi recommended a bunch
and i think they're both closed source
762 [07:15:35] <annadane> so it's nice to make people aware
of alternatives
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765 [07:17:13] <n4dir> annadane: i assume waterfox is a fork of
firefox. I hear about such forks all the time (and think it is
good). But my other problem is low ressources, so i would also be
looking for a more small webbrowser.
766 [07:17:29] <n4dir> anyway it is always good to hear about
such solutions.
767 [07:17:42] <annadane> well, security fixes are backported
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771 [07:20:38] <aaap> annadane, you do not like the newer mozilla
firefox for it's resources intensive op?
772 [07:21:21] <annadane> i just think ff is going in the wrong
direction a little bit
773 [07:22:32] <aaap> annadane, i guess you just a normal user
774 [07:23:07] <annadane> uh... k.
775 [07:24:25] <Unit193> annadane: "Wrong direction"
have anything to do with removal of support for the more powerful
addons?
776 [07:24:49] <annadane> no, just more the privacy side of it
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778 [07:25:34] <AlwaysHigh> whats an offical method to run a
bunch of commands/scripts at startup
779 [07:26:27] <AlwaysHigh> i saw rc.local but bunch of places
say its deprecated
780 [07:26:44] <annadane> i think generally the answer is
cronjobs
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782 [07:27:08] <alkisg> AlwaysHigh:or, to create a systemd unit
783 [07:27:53] <annadane>
replaced-url
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787 [07:29:54] <expert975> What's wrong with rc.local?
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790 [07:30:44] <awal1> n4dir, I suggest you to visit ff help site
and check what 'site preferences' involves exactly
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792 [07:31:37] <AlwaysHigh> expert975, they say its deprecated
793 [07:31:46] <AlwaysHigh> better to use something thats gonna
about around in the future
794 [07:32:37] <expert975> AlwaysHigh: What's a good
alternative?
795 [07:32:51] <AlwaysHigh> well what they said above systemd or
crontab
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800 [07:33:44] * annadane wonders where the most authoritative systemd
documentation is
801 [07:33:50] <annadane> i actually think there's a website
for it
802 [07:34:14] <aaro> what about debian wiki
803 [07:34:28] <annadane> debian wiki is rarely completely
comprehensive
804 [07:34:39] <annadane> and sometimes outdated
805 [07:34:55] <annadane> anyway,
replaced-url
806 [07:35:26] <annadane> the arch wiki is terrifyingly complete
as always
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808 [07:35:40] <awal1> annadane, 'telemetry' is
disabled in ff debian pkg by default, also send 'send
reports' (not sure how it is called exactly
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811 [07:36:01] <annadane> meh, it's possible
812 [07:36:12] <annadane> i just find i wanted to switch for
personal reasons
813 [07:36:15] <awal1> possible, no; it is sure
814 [07:36:47] <awal1> ff is my main web browser; just not
installed in my current machine
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816 [07:37:02] <annadane> i do trust debian packagers, i just
wonder how many eyes on the code there are
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818 [07:38:16] <awal1> but yeah, on a fresh install ff pop-ups a
small bar asking what you want to do with that telemetry and errors
reports in in settings
819 [07:38:39] <awal1> but debian have that disabled by default
820 [07:39:16] <awal1> maybe some users prefers to enable all
that
821 [07:39:25] <awal1> sounds reasonable for me
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824 [07:41:06] <n4dir> annadane: this slightly paranoid dev had
some good notes about firefox, must be a decade old, but a pity: the
site seems to be under reconstruction:
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827 [07:41:48] <awal1> if fact , how ff can be aware of bugs and
performance if no body enables errors report and telemetry?
828 [07:42:12] <n4dir> disable all scripts, else don't even
think about security, use as few plugins as possible and make sure
to get no warnings (which is kinda weird, but that's what he
said).
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830 [07:43:12] <annadane> there are a couple of reasons i
switched, not just that
831 [07:43:19] <awal1> so, for me, as debian approach (disable
telemetry and errors reports by default but let ff pop-up a question
asking end user what to do with that) is a wise choice
832 [07:43:19] <annadane> but it doesn't matter, people can
use what they want
833 [07:43:30] <n4dir> at least i found the summary i made
myself:
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834 [07:43:34] <annadane> i'm not here to argue it
835 [07:44:06] <n4dir> if you don't want to argue about
webbrowser at least let's start a good-old-fashioned flamewar
about editors.
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837 [07:44:41] <annadane> i was just saying, i switched for my
own reasons, not to try to convert people
838 [07:46:07] <n4dir> to me that was clear all the time ... :-)
839 [07:47:16] <awal1> and, addons are not always sane as you may
remember #842939
840 [07:47:17] <judd> Bug
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841 [07:47:53] <awal1> I used that extension several years ... :D
842 [07:48:18] <annadane> at this point i simply trust the
waterfox project a lot more
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844 [07:49:05] <awal1> wot was a very popular addon, also for
chromium/chrome users
845 [07:49:07] <n4dir> let me install it. My main argument
against firefox clones is that they come and go. So simply lazy.
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847 [07:49:51] <awal1> trust is a rixky word :P
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849 [07:49:56] <dudz> dillo should do what you want
850 [07:50:13] <awal1> it is impossible to audit every pkg
851 [07:51:26] <awal1> read what is explained in that bug is
interesting
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855 [07:57:13] <annadane>
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856 [07:57:29] <annadane> so while debian can catch a lot of
it... i'd rather just move on
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861 [07:59:30] <annadane> interestingly, i notice a lot of
downvotes whenever this gets brought up
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866 [08:00:54] <n4dir> jesus. that is worth than i would have
assumed.
867 [08:01:26] <annadane> it's worth pointing out that *i
don't know* how much of this is true
868 [08:01:56] <n4dir> sure. but there is quite a bit of
mistrust, and firefox has earned it.
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872 [08:03:36] <n4dir> gotta run. thanks again to both of you for
helping me with the cookies problem. later.
873 [08:03:49] <coderphive> heh
874 [08:04:03] <coderphive> I feel like mozilla is hardly the
privacy superheros they make themselves out to be
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879 [08:07:23] <annadane> part of the problem with anything is
that people look at a brand name and don't investigate further
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883 [08:09:01] <coderphive> annadane true
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886 [08:10:05] <annadane> the most extreme example of which is
google, "it's okay, they said they won't be
evil"
887 [08:10:19] <annadane> google is... i won't say worse
than hitler, however...
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891 [08:11:21] <annadane> facebook repeatedly stresses that they
"respect your privacy"
892 [08:13:13] <coderphive> meh
893 [08:13:28] <coderphive> I give Google data and they provide
me some meaningful, useful services
894 [08:13:47] <coderphive> You give Facebook an equal amount of
data and they provide you...
895 [08:13:51] <coderphive> a social network
896 [08:14:13] <annadane> which is fine, until they start
creating shadow profiles of you because of their cookies installed
on other web pages
897 [08:14:22] <coderphive> People need to understand data is a
currency and it has value. If you're willing to trade it, make
your currency expensive.
898 [08:14:30] <coderphive> That's true
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900 [08:16:25] <coderphive> We honestly don't teach people
enough about the difference between what they're willingly
sharing is and theft though
901 [08:16:38] <coderphive> so that confusion I think overshadows
the real oversteps in privacy
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903 [08:17:44] <coderphive> My analogy of data as a currency
actually makes even more sense in that context
904 [08:18:16] <annadane> "target ads" by itself is
fine. in the perfect world where nobody does anything nefarious and
hidden
905 [08:18:33] <annadane> s/target/targetted
906 [08:18:36] <chzz> identity isn't fungible like currency
907 [08:19:02] <coderphive> elaborate
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910 [08:20:08] <Sveta> Installed a lot of unnecessary packages.
Nearly run out of space at rootfs (10GB). What can I use, other than
ncdu, to identify the source of the problem?
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912 [08:20:34] <coderphive> not all data leads to a revealing of
identity
913 [08:22:20] <annadane> Sveta, df -ah maybe
914 [08:22:27] <coderphive> you likely have a smart electrical
meter that they use to generate data/metrics. That in no way reveals
identity.
915 [08:23:08] <coderphive> Sveta use du
916 [08:23:31] <coderphive> oh nvm
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918 [08:23:46] <annadane> yeah maybe du
919 [08:24:43] <coderphive> xdiskusage if you're looking for
something with a gui
920 [08:25:08] <coderphive> I've always seen xdiskusage as
pretty effective though
921 [08:25:13] <annadane> a number of DEs come with their own
disk usage analyzers
922 [08:25:22] <annadane> but if you're already running out
of space anyway...
923 [08:25:56] <coderphive> I would imagine cleaning up the apt
cache would probably help substantially
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925 [08:26:20] <coderphive> Sveta have you done that?
926 [08:27:13] <annadane> gnu icecat also looks promising, at
least gnu will never waver on political stances
927 [08:27:36] <annadane> the trouble with firefox and other
packages is that even though debian packages it they're still
packages from upstream
928 [08:27:43] <annadane> waterfox + icecat are made in-house
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944 [08:40:17] <annadane> (which actually doesn't make any
sense, i just realized... ignore that last bit)
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961 [08:53:49] <no_gravity> Good Morning
962 [08:54:11] <no_gravity> What's a good place to store
stuff that can be deleted upon next boot?
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966 [08:57:26] <tvm> no_gravity: /tmp ?
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968 [08:58:19] <no_gravity> tvm: Is /tmp/ like that? It's
cleared on boot?
969 [08:58:28] <tvm> no_gravity: exactly like that
970 [08:58:32] <no_gravity> Nice!
971 [08:59:20] <tvm> tmp means temporary and is usually used by a
lot of apps to keep various temporary data that's not relevant
after shutdown/reboot
972 [08:59:23] * annadane still pronounces it in my head like
'timp'
973 [08:59:48] <no_gravity> tvm: The thing is that I need the
data even after the app terminates. I just don't need it after
the next reboot.
974 [09:00:01] <tvm> yeah, so it's perfect for your case
975 [09:00:07] <no_gravity> Awesome, thanks!
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991 [09:10:42] <no_gravity> What is the mechanism behind wiping
it?
992 [09:10:48] <no_gravity> Who does it?
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1004 [09:18:04] <MrSmile5800> Hi people
1005 [09:19:31] <no_gravity> Yo MrSmile5800
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1009 [09:20:36] <MrSmile5800> Hey people, I have installed debian
testing on my machine and I got problem with a firmware.
1010 [09:21:57] <MrSmile5800>
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1011 [09:22:17] <MrSmile5800> anyone can tell me how to install
firmware for debian testing ?
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1013 [09:22:41] <no_gravity> I for one don't even really know
what firmware is.
1014 [09:23:36] <MrSmile5800> it is intel wifi
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1016 [09:24:38] <MrSmile5800> i found it... reboot
1017 [09:24:39] <MrSmile5800> :)
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1042 [09:33:38] <hoijui> my (XFCE) desktop is filled with icons of
mountable devices, as i have one, which keeps adding a new icon
every time i connect it. where are the files corresponding to these
icons, so i can delete them?
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1088 [10:16:32] <tpanarch1st_> good morning, if I wanted to ignore
proxmox being installed and simply back up the operating system (in
this case Debian) to a portable usb are there any extra factors to
consider please?
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1097 [10:20:33] <Trojen1> Arch is better
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1101 [10:21:16] <tpanarch1st_> Trojen1: ahh i feel comfortable
with Debian - I just like it
1102 [10:21:42] <tpanarch1st_> and I use Mint and Proxmox both
based on Deb so when I want a server set up, i just install pure
debian
1103 [10:21:59] <Trojen1> I use deb
1104 [10:22:05] <Trojen1> Im using deb right now actually.
1105 [10:22:13] <Trojen1> ALl though I prefer Qubes.
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1114 [10:25:51] <nnull> anyone know how i can get sound to work in
debian? the audio levels show audio is being played with pauvcontrol
but nothing comes out of my headphones
1115 [10:26:35] <nnull> oddly, if i try to change the jacks during
the system being live, it hard locks
1116 [10:26:46] <tpanarch1st_> nnull: have you checked volume and
any kind of mute?
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1119 [10:27:12] <nnull> yeah tpanarch1st_ even in alsamixer
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1121 [10:27:50] <tpanarch1st_> ah, i'm out of my depth
i'm afraid but sometimes the basics are overlooked :)
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1134 [10:30:05] <nnull> googled about it for around 2 hours, seems
a few people have this problem but knowone has it solved :(
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1139 [10:31:30] <spacemn> nnull: you mean if you switch your
headphones plug your system freezes?
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1145 [10:31:57] <nnull> spacemn, yes indeed
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1149 [10:34:31] <spacemn> nnull: maybe the code that senses
headphones/headset in the audio driver, no oopses in the logs?
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1152 [10:35:35] <spacemn> nnull: I've played in the past with
module options for headset detection
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1157 [10:37:15] <nnull> just double checking the logs / the boot
log seems all dandy
1158 [10:37:49] <spacemn> nnull: with my HW I added the
model=dell-headset-multi to the snd-hda-intel module, but never had
hangs, only lacks of audio output
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1161 [10:39:37] <nnull> did that fix the audio output? its stable
as long as i don't flip jacks / would settle for just having
audio hehe
1162 [10:39:45] <spacemn> nnull: there are other options described
in the module if you are using the same
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1164 [10:40:01] <spacemn> nnull: don't know if it's the
same chipset
1165 [10:40:24] <nnull> Audio device: Intel Corporation C600/X79
series chipset High Definition Audio Controller (rev 06)
1166 [10:40:37] <switch_> -
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1173 [10:46:10] <spacemn> nnull: Audio device: Intel Corporation
Haswell-ULT HD Audio Controller (rev 09)
1174 [10:46:12] <spacemn> Subsystem: Dell Haswell-ULT HD Audio
Controller
1175 [10:46:40] <nnull> Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation C600/X79
series chipset High Definition Audio Controller
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1189 [11:00:46] <icarious> Hi. Is it possible to configure apt not
to add services to systemd autostart after installation? Kinda like
what Arch does. For install I don't want sshd to be put on
autostart after I install it
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1197 [11:05:46] <emucla> icarious I'm reading this ->
replaced-url
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1200 [11:06:15] <emucla> at the middle of the article explains how
to disable services
1201 [11:06:25] <emucla> may help
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1203 [11:06:45] <icarious> emucla: my question was not about how
to disable services, but how to disable "APT" from adding
to autostart post installation
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1205 [11:07:40] <ZEROGOD> , ,
1206 [11:07:40] <ZEROGOD> /(_, ,_)\
1207 [11:07:41] <ZEROGOD> \ _/ \_ / i r c . s u p e r n e t s . o
r g
1208 [11:07:42] <ZEROGOD> // \\
1209 [11:07:43] <ZEROGOD> \\ (@)(@) // # s u p e r b o w l
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1214 [11:09:27] <tpanarch1st_> nice piece of artwork there hehe
1215 [11:09:36] <spacemn> nnull: other than pointing you to the
alsa-project.org and searching if the chipset model is supported (replaced-url
1216 [11:09:51] <mateothegreat> pshhh could've done better
1217 [11:10:11] <tpanarch1st_> curious how he did it
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1220 [11:11:01] <tpanarch1st_> would be nice to see a nice looking
IRC Client with font kerning and similar
1221 [11:12:10] <spacemn> nnull: I would look if the hangs are
kernel related (as I suspect) and report them upstream
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1223 [11:12:45] <nnull> spacemn, rgrgr thanks anyway mate
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1265 [11:46:56] <Trojen> #programming
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1325 [12:29:50] <ychaouche> Quick poll : how do you shutdown your
machine ?
1326 [12:29:53] <ychaouche> hello #debian
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1344 [12:47:08] <at0m> ychaouche: "poweroff" as root ?
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1346 [12:48:20] <ychaouche> Will it actually power off the machine
or just bring the system down to a halt state (leaving it powered on
but with no system running)
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1349 [12:49:16] <sine0> chown owner:creator /
1350 [12:49:17] <sine0> ?
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1356 [12:53:07] <Li> debian newly installed no ufw activated is
not able to reach lan connected devices! no ping, no nmap, no
webservers .. has an ip within the same subnet and accessing the
internet
1357 [12:53:27] <Li> any suggestions
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1360 [12:56:31] <expert975> ychaouche: systemctl poweroff
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1362 [12:57:24] <ychaouche> the standard way in the systemd
toolset
1363 [12:58:24] <ychaouche> Li: can you reach the Internet ?
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1365 [12:59:53] <apollo13> Li: when I have problems like that the
subnet mask is usually /32, show output if ip addr show
1366 [13:00:47] <Li> ychaouche: I can browse the internet
1367 [13:01:20] <ychaouche> What is your IP and what is the IP you
can't ping in the LAN ?
1368 [13:01:22] <Li> apollo13: IP/24
1369 [13:01:35] <Li> same subnet
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1371 [13:01:57] <apollo13> as I said, please share your ip addr
output
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1385 [13:09:03] <Li>
replaced-url
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1443 [13:48:33] <techie28> is the 1st set of lines same as the 2nd
one here?
replaced-url
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1447 [13:51:27] <n4dir> the line which starts with deb the same
being like the one which starts with deb-src ? (the obvious answer:
no, they aren't the same).
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1450 [13:51:45] <Sepultura> Hallo
1451 [13:52:12] <Sepultura> why do I get "Permission denied
to resize filesystem" when I type resize2fs /dev/mmcblk0p2 ?
1452 [13:52:35] <ychaouche> techie28: I can't tell, it
depends how the FTP server is configured for uk
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1455 [13:53:37] <ychaouche> techie28: those are just ftp servers,
you can check for yourself by pointing your browser at them and
looking for the stretch directory then update subdirectory (for the
first couple lines) and the stretch-update directory in the second
couple lines.
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1462 [13:56:13] <ychaouche> techie28: first couple lines look
outdated to me
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1464 [13:56:58] <ychaouche> here's for uk :
replaced-url
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1516 [14:23:15] <wewlad> hello
1517 [14:23:20] <wewlad> I have issues with installed packages
1518 [14:23:31] <wewlad> I want to remove all nginx from the
system, but it fails
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1520 [14:25:02] <wewlad> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an
error code (1)
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1522 [14:25:23] <wewlad> dpkg: error processing package nginx-full
(--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script
returned error exit status 1
1523 [14:25:24] <dpkg> wewlad: That isn't an error, post the
whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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1525 [14:25:55] <spacemn> Sepultura: other than not being root
maybe the partition is mounted
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1551 [14:36:59] <TrojenDIs> !ep1
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1553 [14:37:41] <TrojenDIs> MSG+
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1556 [14:39:48] <nanom> .j #linux
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1565 [14:44:54] <martin-_-_> hi
1566 [14:45:43] <martin-_-_> i got a vm with internet, whats the
best way send files from the vm to the host? ftp or a could storage
?
1567 [14:46:31] <alkisg> scp, ssfhs
1568 [14:46:50] <alkisg> shared folders, if the vm supports it...
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1570 [14:47:18] <mackerel449> i cant login with gdm3 into gnome
x11 on stretch, if i "startx" i get xf86EnableIOPorts:
failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted)
1571 [14:47:31] <wewlad> help me with removing nginx
1572 [14:47:33] <wewlad>
replaced-url
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1583 [14:49:25] <mackerel449> im on a haswell igp, wayland works
but its not an option anymore as some apps dont work and i cant lock
the screen with the "startx" workaround
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1593 [14:54:24] <mackerel449> wewlad: for the locale stuff do
"dpkg-reconfigure locales", for nginx i would check the
output of "systemctl status nginx.service"
1594 [14:54:42] <wewlad> mackerel449: already solved that
1595 [14:55:08] <wewlad> as for nginx - it turned out that I
needed to stop docker first (because it used http/https ports)
1596 [14:55:19] <wewlad> stop docker; remove nginx; start docker
back
1597 [14:55:26] <wewlad> this did the trick, but it was weird
1598 [14:55:49] <wewlad> I told my damn package manage to remove
the damn package and it refused because the package had errors in
its log
1599 [14:55:54] <mackerel449> wewlad: sometimes if it cant stop a
service related to a package it won't uninstall
1600 [14:56:07] <wewlad> mackerel449: the service was stopped
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1602 [14:56:31] <wewlad> also, it should've been in the apt
remove's script
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1606 [14:56:59] <wewlad> if I tell the system to get rid of this
package - I surely as hell expect that it's service won't
work anymore
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1609 [14:58:52] <wewlad> also, more weird stuff: `sudo dpkg -l |
grep nginx` lists a lot of `libnginx-mod-...` and a `nginx-common`
package, I do `sudo apt remove nginx-common` and it says `Package
'nginx-common' is not installed, so not removed`
1610 [14:58:55] <wewlad> whaaaa?
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1612 [15:00:05] <mackerel449> wewlad: nginx is the
"main" package, and you can choose between nginx-full and
-light if you delete one its gonna install the other because nginx
depends on nginx-full or nginx-light
1613 [15:00:36] <wewlad> mackerel449: I want to wipe all nginx
packages completely
1614 [15:00:46] <dvs> wewlad, I'd remove libnginx and see
what happens
1615 [15:01:12] <wewlad> dvs: same as with nginx-common
1616 [15:02:23] <wewlad> I guess I don't have any nginx
packages installed and `dpkg -l` just lies to me
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1618 [15:03:39] <wewlad> `sudo dpkg -r nginx-common` -> `dpkg:
warning: ignoring request to remove nginx-common, only the config
files of which are on the system; use --purge to remove them too`
1619 [15:05:35] <mackerel449> wewlad: you gotta remove
libnginx-mod-* packages separately, removing nginx-common won't
do that
1620 [15:06:25] <wewlad> probably `dpkg -l` doesn't do what I
think it does: it doesn't list installed packages, it lists
installed packages and removed packages with non-removed configs
1621 [15:06:54] <wewlad> so I needed to `dpkg --purge
nginx-common` to finally make `dpkg -l` not list it anymore
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1623 [15:07:49] <mackerel449> wewlad: dpkg list packages with
residual configurations
1624 [15:08:38] <mackerel449> lists*
1625 [15:08:50] <dvs> wewlad, "dpkg -l" will always list
it. The status characters at the beginning of the line will change.
1626 [15:08:52] <wewlad> yeah, I never knew that
1627 [15:09:05] <wewlad> just purged all those packages
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1629 [15:09:14] <wewlad> `dpkg -l` now doesn't list them
anymore
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1631 [15:09:18] <wewlad> yay, a win
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1692 [15:47:33] <sine0> anyone familiar with exim4 in debian. Do I
need to install the heavy in order to configure ACL in teh config ?
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1701 [15:53:13] <me7zg3r> Greetings! Is there anyone willing to
help a newbie?
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1705 [15:55:20] <fizzizist> me7zg3r: I am willing to help if I can
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1710 [16:00:12] <me7zg3r> I'm trying to set up steam on
startup with environment (runtime=0, lang=c), from what I understand
~/.profile should be used for that, which would call scripts, that
should be executable, owned by root and ending in .sh, is that
accurate?
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1723 [16:04:35] <fizzizist> me7zg3r: You might want to try
something like this
replaced-url
1724 [16:05:02] <me7zg3r> thanks for pointing, sorry, I know those
are generic problems and I truly love searching not to create a
dozen of useless forum posts :)
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1726 [16:05:12] <me7zg3r> I shall check on that and brb with
results
1727 [16:05:48] <fizzizist> no problem :)
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1729 [16:06:44] <mackerel449> i can't start a gnome X11
session from gdm on an intel haswell, i tried different kernels,
xorg.conf hacks, installing the modesetting driver. startx works but
i can't lock the screen, i get "xf86EnableIOPorts: failed
to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted)" when using
startx in the console.
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1733 [16:08:05] <mackerel449> it worked like a month ago, im not
sure if an upgrade broke it
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1736 [16:09:23] <me7zg3r> is there also an nvidia driver in the
system?
1737 [16:09:34] <me7zg3r> found this: might be relevant
replaced-url
1738 [16:09:59] <me7zg3r> a nvidia driver*
1739 [16:10:14] <mackerel449> me7zg3r: only nouveau, there is no
nvidia gpu installed
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1743 [16:11:30] <me7zg3r> Fix is easy, install another chroot to
try Debian Stretch ;)
1744 [16:11:33] <me7zg3r> (which has newer version of Xorg running
fine still after the Chrome OS update)
1745 [16:11:35] <me7zg3r> i.e. the issue depends on the
distro/release of the chroot in use.
1746 [16:11:37] <me7zg3r> here is what i've found on web
1747 [16:11:41] <me7zg3r>
replaced-url
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1752 [16:13:34] <mackerel449> forgot to add that im on stretch,
when i try to log in the screen goes black for 1-2 seconds then gdm
comes back
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1782 [16:35:08] <ychaouche> is there a way to find out how did a
package get installed ? (via a dependency or via manual install)
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1787 [16:37:46] <fizzizist> ychaouche: I think they will get
installed the same way either way
1788 [16:38:59] <ychaouche> maybe the manual install leaves a
trace in some log file, no ?
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1790 [16:39:40] <ychaouche> I'm thinking /var/log/apt/history
for ex.
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1794 [16:41:10] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
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1801 [16:43:51] <fizzizist> ychaouche: I don't know if apt or
dpkg generate any logs like that. If anything the package itself
might have a log.
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1804 [16:44:17] <ychaouche> hello BluesKaj
1805 [16:44:21] <ychaouche> ack
1806 [16:44:52] <BluesKaj> hi ychaouche
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1836 [17:01:26] <UukGoblin> how do you get Flash to work these
days? I've installed a couple things like
browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash and gnash and
browser-plugin-gnash, but Firefox is saying 'Failed to load
"libpepflashplayer.so" // Freshwrapper is a translation
layer which needs PPAPI plugin backend. Ensure your system have
"libpepflashplayer.so available.'
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1838 [17:01:42] <UukGoblin> Chromium doesn't seem to get it
at all
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1843 [17:05:01] <SPF> UukGoblin: firefox-esr
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1845 [17:06:11] <UukGoblin> SPF, yup, that's what I'm
using. It displays a gray box with yellow envelope ("X"
mark) and yellow text like I copied above ("Failed to load
libpepflashplayer.so")
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1853 [17:11:03] <SPF> UukGoblin: maybe ask firefox support?
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1855 [17:11:51] <UukGoblin> ok thanks :-)
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1866 [17:16:38] <AquaFiX> Hi i am having trouble in regards to
VSFTPD, Symbolic links, and mount --bind
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1868 [17:17:14] <kazzie> I need LVM2 help, I have an LVM that I
cannot figure out how to mount I have used it before with no
problems here's some commands I tried pastebin.com/pPMpnr4M
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1913 [17:42:44] <AquaFiX> I have a symbolic link, and that works
fine from sshd
1914 [17:42:57] <AquaFiX> but over vsftpd i cannot access any of
the files associated
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1916 [17:43:03] <AquaFiX> when i try the same on mount --bind
1917 [17:43:12] <AquaFiX> it simply doesn't work
1918 [17:43:17] <AquaFiX> reference: steamcmd
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1920 [17:43:51] <alkisg> Some servers prohibit accessing files
outside of their root directory
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1981 [18:07:09] <AquaFiX> ok i fixed the issue
1982 [18:07:14] <AquaFiX> it was a dodgy filezilla client
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1984 [18:07:22] <AquaFiX> not correctly updating the ftp
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1989 [18:08:23] <AquaFiX> however this same version updated a
thirdparty ftp client perfectly. This is about my fourth attempt at
using vsftpd, and i absolutely hate it, it's fucking garbage,
and the docs are fucking garbage, and even google is a fuckwit in
regards to the subject.
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1992 [18:09:21] <apollo13> AquaFiX: vsftpd is imo the sanest ftp
server out there
1993 [18:09:42] <apollo13> probably the safest too; the docs do
what they are supposed to do imo
1994 [18:09:47] <AquaFiX> well somebody update the docs ._> or
get some seo, on the the guides that actually work
1995 [18:09:54] <apollo13> *shrug*
1996 [18:10:00] <AquaFiX> no, it's a fucking joke
1997 [18:10:03] <apollo13> man is your friend
1998 [18:10:03] <AquaFiX> i spent three hours
1999 [18:10:09] <AquaFiX> creating users
2000 [18:10:11] <AquaFiX> installing
2001 [18:10:16] <AquaFiX> then dynamic links wont work
2002 [18:10:19] <apollo13> well I guess that is on __you__
2003 [18:10:25] <AquaFiX> so i mount --bind to seperate user
2004 [18:10:30] <AquaFiX> still doesn't work
2005 [18:10:33] <AquaFiX> so i edit config
2006 [18:10:35] <AquaFiX> chroot problems
2007 [18:10:49] <AquaFiX> (yes im in jail), now i fix the chroot
problems and delete my mount, so reinstall
2008 [18:11:11] <AquaFiX> then i add permissions again,
"RESTART FTP CLIENT" and it works
2009 [18:11:32] <AquaFiX> wtf, like i said third party ftp daemons
i've used have never required me to restart filezilla
2010 [18:13:13] <apollo13> good for you I guess
2011 [18:13:18] <apollo13> or maybe not, who knows
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2013 [18:13:31] <apollo13> not sure what your complaining is ment
to achieve though
2014 [18:13:52] <AquaFiX> i moved to debian due to stabilty
promises
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2017 [18:13:59] <AquaFiX> and i come from centOS
2018 [18:14:01] <AquaFiX> and freebsd
2019 [18:14:16] <AquaFiX> i cant believe the amount of configuring
required
2020 [18:14:22] <Achylles> I am facing an issue with gstreamer
package. It is blocking my system to such a point that I am unable
to upgrade, install, remove and do nothing here. I am literally
caged by it.
2021 [18:14:29] <AquaFiX> 1386 binaries, fuck debian fucked up in
the last few distros
2022 [18:14:37] <AquaFiX> unless you're a major computer guru
2023 [18:14:45] <apollo13> AquaFiX: I fail to see how the
configuration of vsftpd has anything to do with debian
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2025 [18:14:57] <apollo13> the configuration is basically the same
on centos (+/- selinux)
2026 [18:14:59] <AquaFiX> nah the apt-get upgrade is broken
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2028 [18:15:05] <apollo13> lol
2029 [18:15:06] <AquaFiX> you need to add official repositories to
it
2030 [18:15:11] <AquaFiX> that should not be a requirement
2031 [18:15:15] <apollo13> wtf?
2032 [18:15:24] <Achylles> I have tried to purge it and do all
kinds of things, to no avail...
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2034 [18:15:39] <AquaFiX> unless i've just got a crapped out
debian distro, but in came with me 5year long dedicated server
provider
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2037 [18:16:02] <alkisg> Achylles: pastebin the exact command and
output
2038 [18:16:03] <alkisg> !bat
2039 [18:16:03] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
2040 [18:16:14] <Achylles> alkisg,
replaced-url
2041 [18:16:18] <apollo13> AquaFiX: vsftpd is in the main
repository which is certainly enabled by default; if you kill your
system it is not really rebians fault
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2044 [18:16:45] <AquaFiX> yeah but steamcmd isn't
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2047 [18:17:17] <apollo13> wtf is steamcmd?
2048 [18:17:39] <apollo13> and wth would that be in any official
repo, you make not much sense to be honest
2049 [18:18:29] <dvs> Achylles, have you tried "aptitude
full-upgrade" ?
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2052 [18:18:58] <AquaFiX> full upgrade is a must, for newly
configured servers
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2054 [18:20:57] <apollo13> you are still not making much sense
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2115 [18:53:56] <ghostinzshell> How can I go about applying polkit
rules similar to the ones in Ubuntu within Debian? I want to be able
to mount block devices without being prompted for a password.
2116 [18:54:19] <ghostinzshell> I've tried to place a .rules
file in /etc/polkit-1/rules.d, that didn't work.
2117 [18:54:39] <ghostinzshell> I've tried placing a .pkla
file in /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/, that didn't work too.
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2149 [19:07:58] <ghostinzshell> /j ##linux
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2176 [19:27:30] <childOfGod> It does not matter what religion. I
will eliminate what needs to be eliminated. At a twinkling of an eye
it will be done. This is your Father Jehovah, with Jesus Christ of
Nazareth and the Holy Spirit speaking as ONE with all the Power and
the Might that there is. Be ready; be prepared, for the end is
before you. (over)
replaced-url
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2179 [19:28:46] <dtux> i woke up and my computer was in power-save
(weird). it woke right up, but my session was gone and i have a core
file in ~. how do i find out where that came from?
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2182 [19:29:01] <dtux> hmm... dmesg indicates atom hit a segfault
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2193 [19:35:02] <Achylles> I haven't tried aptitude-full
upgrade
2194 [19:35:44] <Achylles> If I do, I think it will try to upgrade
from testing to unstable
2195 [19:35:48] <Achylles> or not?
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2198 [19:37:05] <Achylles> and will break my system
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2200 [19:37:25] <annadane> why do you want to use it?
2201 [19:37:51] <Achylles> see above, my pastebin
2202 [19:37:59] <Achylles> and gstreamer issue
2203 [19:38:27] <annadane> oh testing... i'd go ask in
#debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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2216 [19:44:54] <darsie> How can I check if pdf is signed?
Can't install acroread.
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2220 [19:48:05] <darsie> I configured dmm, apt-cache finds
acroread, but aptitude doesn't.
2221 [19:48:17] <webuser5224> Has anyone else had problems with
NetworkManager MAC address randomization? 'macchanger',
'ifconfig' as well as 'ip' all three let me
successfully change the MAC address of my wifi interface and
'nmtui' allows me to establish a connection successfully.
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2224 [19:48:41] <webuser5224> As soon as I use the option
'wifi.cloned-mac-address=random' for the NetworkManager,
though, I can't connect via 'nmtui' anymore.
2225 [19:48:46] <webuser5224> I really don't understand why.
2226 [19:48:55] <webuser5224> I tried around and it really boils
down to this one setting.
2227 [19:49:15] <webuser5224> It can't be my router, because
it accepts all other addresses without problems.
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2233 [19:51:00] <dtux> yikes... it just happened again
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2238 [19:55:22] <webuser5224> I'm using network-manager
1.6.2-3 on Stretch.
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2267 [20:16:07] <Scriptonaut> I installed chromium from the recent
source (the one in apt is way outdated), and it seems to work,
however it says that I'm missing the api keys. Anyone know how
to get chromium api keys?
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2337 [20:54:06] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey peeps
2338 [20:54:13] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am having an issue with bind in
debian..
2339 [20:54:15] <Eryn_1983_FL>
replaced-url
2340 [20:54:32] <Eryn_1983_FL> i get this weird \032 in my
hostname, that not suppose to be there.. wtf is going on?
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2344 [20:56:58] <akay> Eryn_1983_FL: Seems like this problem:
replaced-url
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2358 [21:01:19] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
2359 [21:01:22] <Eryn_1983_FL> i look in to it
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2362 [21:02:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> if i turn that checking off am i
going to be hacked akay ?
2363 [21:02:49] <Eryn_1983_FL> its just name checking right?/
2364 [21:03:06] <nnull> I did a benchmark involving copying an
Virtualbox Android VM from a windows host install to a linux host
install on the same machine / identical settings / yet in the Linux
Host the VM stutters along, audio cracks and is generally unusable |
Any ideas?
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2373 [21:12:43] <Eryn_1983_FL> akay: what about this error i am
getting now ?
2374 [21:12:45] <Eryn_1983_FL>
replaced-url
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2440 [21:50:51] <b0ss_> hey how to run multiple instances of TOR
browser (each one with its own routes) on the same Debian machine ?
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2446 [21:52:46] <rabbitear_sdf> b0ss_: the man page says tor has
option --defualts-torrc
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2449 [21:54:23] <antoine> Hello, I am trying to set up letsencrypt
wildcard certificate. It requires certbot 0.22, which is available
in both sid and buster. Stretch only has 0.10.2 which is apparently
quite old. Is there a way to know when 0.22 will come to stable
(Stretch)?
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2452 [21:55:16] <apollo13> antoine: I do not think packages in
stable do receive functional updates usually
2453 [21:55:58] <apollo13> it might end up in backports
2454 [21:56:07] <apollo13> antoine:
replaced-url
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2458 [21:58:49] <annadane> :)
2459 [21:59:46] <b0ss_> rabbitear_sdf: meaning tor --f /etc/tor ?
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2467 [22:06:24] <rabbitear_sdf> b0ss_: yeah, have two or more
configs, might work
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2472 [22:12:40] <antoine> apollo13: Oh I didn't know about
backport. Is it safe/good practice to upgrade all my system from
backports if I want upgrades to come quicker?
2473 [22:12:47] <apollo13> no
2474 [22:13:17] <apollo13> a) not everything gets upgraded via
backports and b) if you want upgrades debian stable is not the
system you want
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2491 [22:24:11] <antoine> apollo13: Ok then :). Reading about it
now.
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2522 [22:42:03] <antoine> If I decide to `sudo apt-get -t
stretch-backports install "package"`, then on `sudo apt
upgrade`, will it get upgraded or do I need to specify something
else?
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2547 [22:49:23] <antoine> Would anyone have an idea? Do I need to
`sudo apt upgrade -t stretch-backport` maybe?
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2549 [22:51:13] <annadane> antoine, they all get upgraded, yeah
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2566 [22:59:32] <antoine> I installed nginx from their repo but I
am thinking it might be more stable/cleaner from backports. If I
want to switch, do I deactivate nginx's repo from sources.list,
add stretch-backports
2567 [22:59:37] <antoine> Then apt update
2568 [22:59:53] <antoine> Then is `sudo apt install -t
stretch-backports nginx` the right way to proceed?
2569 [23:00:30] <annadane> ,v nginx
2570 [23:00:31] <judd> Package: nginx on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4+deb7u1;
wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.2-5+deb8u5;
jessie-security: 1.6.2-5+deb8u5; sid: 1.10.1-1; jessie-backports:
1.10.3-1+deb9u1~bpo8+2; stretch: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1; stretch-security:
1.10.3-1+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 1.13.3-1~bpo9+1; sid: 1.13.6-2;
buster:
2571 [23:00:32] <judd> 1.13.10-1; sid: 1.13.10-1
2572 [23:00:52] <annadane> i... think that's right
2573 [23:01:14] <annadane> the one from nginx is slightly newer
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2575 [23:02:18] <antoine> So this will replace it with
backport's version, right? And then sudo apt upgrade will
upgrade it properly from backports? :)
2576 [23:02:33] <antoine> Sorry, I am just trying to make sure
I'm not breaking anything.
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2578 [23:03:25] <annadane> that's a fair point. you know, i
don't know
2579 [23:03:33] <annadane> not sure how it works with external
repos
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2583 [23:06:42] <antoine> But if you wanted to switch from main to
backports, would you proceed as I said?
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2586 [23:08:09] <annadane> from main to backports yes, the ones in
backports overwrite the ones in stable
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2592 [23:15:40] <antoine> annadane: I ended up removing nginx
first then installing it from backports. As far as I can tell, it
worked. Thanks for the help!
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2594 [23:15:59] <antoine> bbye.
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