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80 [01:02:49] <laughingtiger> hello, I have a problem, when
installing wine, it gives me a warning, says following packages
cannot be authenticated. how to solve this?
81 [01:03:26] <laughingtiger> and when trying apt update, it
says gpg error about wine, etc.
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85 [01:05:14] <laughingtiger> channel for wine is invite only so
I have to come here.
86 [01:06:10] <laughingtiger> some programs won't work even
I installed it by ignoring the warning, they worked fine before when
there wasn't a warning.
87 [01:06:24] <OerHeks> invite only means register with
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88 [01:06:31] <OerHeks> no guests
89 [01:06:46] <laughingtiger> OerHeks, oh thank you .
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94 [01:07:48] <laughingtiger> s/even/after
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101 [01:09:44] <anti> did a search for MX linux irc nothing came
back anyone know where i can get some MX help?, ty...
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104 [01:13:31] <OerHeks> anti, check their website? i found none
105 [01:15:06] <laughingtiger> oh shit I fucked up again
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112 [01:18:45] <anti> OerHeks, ty i just did some more webfu and
on a faq list says they host 0 irc = LAME.,share it with others if
they ask and ty...
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119 [01:20:40] <OerHeks> certainly not, this is debian support,
not the mx clan channel
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130 [01:27:31] <annadane> laughingtiger, how did you install
wine? a gpg error is strange. perhaps post the full output to
paste.debian.net and some wine expert can look at it
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132 [01:28:03] <annadane> also if the package manager is trying
to warn you, in future maybe don't force it
133 [01:28:43] <annadane> rushing and cheap hackery doesn't
get you very far in linux, this isn't windows
134 [01:29:03] <annadane> that said i suspect things not working
is unrelated to the gpg error
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139 [01:32:14] <annadane> it sounds like you added a third party
repo to your sources list and i'm not sure how well supported
that is in the case of wine, i haven't tried it
140 [01:32:29] <annadane> "gpg error about wine on apt
update"
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146 [01:34:30] <annadane> i notice their website does say
"The WineHQ repository key was changed on 2018-12-19. If you
downloaded and added the key before that time, you will need to
download and add the new key and run sudo apt update to accept the
repository changes."
147 [01:34:52] <annadane> which is of course likely unrelated as
we're now in june of 2019...
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149 [01:36:01] <annadane> if all else fails you can just build it
from source
150 [01:36:09] <annadane> that was too much information, but
anyway
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153 [01:39:25] <laughingtiger> annadane, sorry I read your help
just now, was away.
154 [01:40:12] <laughingtiger> I doubt it was the key's
fault unless their website hasn't been updated since then.
155 [01:40:12] <annadane> laughingtiger, also, take note that
there is a newer wine available in stretch-backports, if you need
newer than is in stretch
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157 [01:40:35] <annadane> i haven't installed it because i
get a dependency mess but you may be better off :P
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159 [01:40:51] <annadane> (nvidia, of course, because they play
*so* well with everything)
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161 [01:44:41] <laughingtiger> annadane, thank you, probably I
should reinstall the whole system.
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168 [01:49:34] <laughingtiger> annadane, sorry, pastebin was too
heavyloaded a while ago, this is the apt-get udpate info:
replaced-url
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171 [01:51:47] <annadane> did you follow
replaced-url
172 [01:52:14] <annadane> from what i've read it *seems* to
be recommended
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178 [01:52:45] <somiaj> the winehq packages are of decent quality
if you don't want the one from stretch-backports
179 [01:52:49] <laughingtiger> annadane, I believe I did followed
it precisely.
180 [01:53:00] <somiaj> (I think there is some overlap between
the maker of those and the ones that are in debian too)
181 [01:53:17] <jmcnaught> laughingtiger: some of those warnings
are because you have the repository listed in both
/etc/apt/sources.list (line 18) and in
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list (line 3) which is easy to
fix
182 [01:53:18] <magic_ninja> man, is there a GUI for IFTOP
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184 [01:53:58] <laughingtiger> jmcnaught, Ikr, but that's
not the problem.
185 [01:54:43] <somiaj> magic_ninja: what are you looking for?
There are some gui apps for netwrok traffic. iptraf is the only one
I know, but it is a curses ui.
186 [01:55:00] <magic_ninja> I want something that puts out some
more readable info
187 [01:55:23] <somiaj>
replaced-url
188 [01:55:39] <somiaj> I find iptraf useful, but I have very
limited use
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192 [01:56:47] <laughingtiger> annadane, ah, I'm gonna
reinstall , this is the level of my skill set so far, who can I
blame but myself only? thank you for your help. than you all for
your help. much appreciated.
193 [01:56:52] <magic_ninja> sudo: iptraf: command not found
194 [01:56:57] <magic_ninja> that is after installing it
195 [01:57:41] <annadane> sorry i couldn't be more helpful,
i was a bit excessively wordy
196 [01:57:49] <jmcnaught> laughingtiger: if your problem is that
you don't have the GPG key for the winehq repository it shows
how to add it on this page:
replaced-url
197 [01:58:48] <somiaj> magic_ninja: seems it is iptraf-ng
(though surprised it didn't provide a link for iptraf via the
alternative system or what not)
198 [01:58:50] <laughingtiger> jmcnaught, hah, I added it already
by doing whatever the page says.
199 [01:58:59] <laughingtiger> annadane, but I like wordy people.
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201 [01:59:08] <laughingtiger> seriously
202 [01:59:12] <somiaj> magic_ninja: I had to look it up, seems
iptraf is replaced with iptraf-ng and the iptraf package is just a
transitional package.
203 [01:59:42] <laughingtiger> jmcnaught, sorry i mean nah
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205 [02:01:00] <laughingtiger> I talk too much. see you
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211 [02:03:55] <annadane> i kind of suspect after buster the
version numbers won't increase too much for wine, 1.6 or
whatever to 4 is a big jump
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214 [02:04:13] <annadane> 1.8
215 [02:04:28] <Unit193> ,v wine-development
216 [02:04:29] <judd> Package: wine-development on amd64 --
jessie: 1.7.29-4; stretch: 2.0-3; sid: 3.7-1; sid: 3.10-1; buster:
4.2-4; sid: 4.2-4
217 [02:04:44] <annadane> i could be totally wrong ofc
218 [02:05:16] <annadane> jessie 1.6, stretch 1.8, buster 4.0
219 [02:05:27] <somiaj> ,v wine
220 [02:05:28] <judd> Package: wine on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.2-20;
stretch: 1.8.7-2; sid: 3.0.4-1; stretch-backports: 4.0-2~bpo9+1;
buster: 4.0-2; sid: 4.0-2
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223 [02:06:02] <annadane> just depends how seriously you take
your gaming :P
224 [02:06:21] <somiaj> on stretch I'd probably suggest the
package from stretch-backports if you need a newer version.
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232 [02:12:34] <BazookaTooth> could try lutris
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241 [02:19:14] <magic_ninja> see, it just shut itself off. grr.
242 [02:19:20] <magic_ninja> I'm getting really frustrated.
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257 [02:30:44] <magic_ninja> okay so here is where I'm at. I
need to figure out how to monitor a USB port period and log
disconnects and reconnects.
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279 [02:49:02] <mvaenskae> what is the correct approach to
removing old kernels?
280 [02:49:57] <somiaj> mvaenskae: just use apt to remove them
like any other package.
281 [02:50:04] <mvaenskae> manually?
282 [02:50:20] <somiaj> apt shoudl be removing all except the
latest two with autoremove, so one should only have two kernels
installed if you run autoremove
283 [02:50:30] <somiaj> apt keeps one back just in case the new
kernel doens't boot.
284 [02:50:54] <mvaenskae> maybe apt is getting confused then
because i move my kernels around for refind
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288 [02:52:29] <OerHeks> sudo apt install byobu && sudo
purge-old-kernels --keep 2
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291 [02:53:47] <somiaj> if you manually install your kernels (so
they aren't autoinstalled) the autoremove won't remove
them.
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293 [02:54:27] <magic_ninja> Lets see. So it appears that the USB
port is dropping out and reconnecting
294 [02:54:36] <mvaenskae> i merely want to move them from /boot
to /boot/efi/EFI/$distro
295 [02:55:58] <mvaenskae> as /boot is on the partition as my
rootfs BUT /boot/efi isn't (which to my understanding is the
correct way using efi -- one ESP for the whole system)
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303 [03:01:12] <somiaj> mvaenskae: debian has troubles with /boot
being on efi (vfat) because of how dpkg does upgrades.
304 [03:01:42] <somiaj> debian uses hardlinks for upgrades, and
vfat doens't support that. So upgrading kernel packages will
error out if you put /boot on your efi partition (vfat)
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310 [03:05:01] <mvaenskae> i am not a technical expert but i
would think at some point ESPs are expected to exist and people will
not want to handle multiple bootloaders
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313 [03:07:16] <somiaj> there is no need to use grub anymore with
efi boot, and gummiboot (which now has some replacement in systemd)
can be used instead to allow your uefi firmware to function as your
bootloader
314 [03:07:33] <mvaenskae> why is grub then so ingrained in
debian?
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316 [03:08:26] <somiaj> I have seen people put the /boot on the
esp partition which can contain all the kernels along with the efi
files for boot. But they run into problems upgrading kernels due to
debian packages assuming you are on a *nix file system that supports
hardlinks, which causes upgrades to fail.
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318 [03:08:47] <somiaj> so this is just an incovience you have to
deal wiht if you want to but /boot on your efi partition and then
encrypt the rest of your system.
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320 [03:09:03] <somiaj> mvaenskae: debian sitll supports legacy
boot, which requirs a boot loader. Debian also still has lilo if you
dont' like grub.
321 [03:09:08] <mvaenskae> /boot shouldn't be used as the
ESP :)
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323 [03:09:29] <somiaj> so it is easiest to just have grub which
works for both legacy and uefi.
324 [03:10:07] <magic_ninja> Well, lets try this. Perhaps there
is some kind of interference around here
325 [03:10:15] <magic_ninja> The usb card doesn't seem to be
dropping.
326 [03:10:16] <somiaj> might be personal opinion, I'm just
stating what i"ve seen people try to do. I personally keep
/boot on a *nix file system and just efi info on my esp partition.
327 [03:11:06] <mvaenskae> somiaj: also what i do, but as i use
FDE for my root-partition my kernels which reside in /boot are not
really available :)
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329 [03:14:17] <magic_ninja> Hmm, so 2.4 works way better than 5
ghz, or it seems to.
330 [03:14:31] <magic_ninja> I know I had a driver working quite
well on the 4.19 kernel, I just can't remember which one
331 [03:15:33] <somiaj> 5gz is faster but you need to be closer
to the ap and have a clearer signal.
332 [03:15:41] <somiaj> 2.4 is more relialbe, but slower
333 [03:16:01] <somiaj> (well can't have the same data
trasnfer, but often times this is not the case). The only thing I
use on 5gz is my streaming device
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336 [03:21:40] <magic_ninja> I'm 5 feet away
337 [03:22:09] <magic_ninja> it works fine in windows.
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339 [03:22:50] <somiaj> then might be a driver issue in linux
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365 [03:59:50] <nsk_nyc_> test
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367 [04:00:56] <dvs> !test
368 [04:00:56] <dpkg> Test failed.
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431 [05:24:18] <herpy> Hello
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433 [05:24:52] <herpy> is oftc down for anyone else?
434 [05:26:13] <dvs> nope
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436 [05:28:41] <herpy> huh, the website is not loading for me
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440 [05:32:39] <Lady_Aleena> ,v my_brain
441 [05:32:40] <judd> No package named 'my_brain' was
found in amd64.
442 [05:32:46] <Lady_Aleena> Darn it.
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444 [05:32:54] <Mysterytrain> shnicker
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449 [05:38:00] <mvaenskae> eh, how can i change the cuda version
of nvidia?
450 [05:39:09] <mvaenskae> i know this is not debian-next but
buster's nvidia version seems to have been updated to one which
uses cuda10.1 (but i need cuda10.0 due to tensorflow and tf is NOT
compatible with cuda10.1) -- alternatively i can also reinstall the
old version but how would i do that?
451 [05:39:12] <oiaohm> mvaenskae: change the complete driver in
use.
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454 [05:41:34] <mvaenskae> iirc the previous was nvidia-410 but
it's at least not visible in `apt search` anymore
455 [05:43:55] <mvaenskae> on here i can see a link to the old
driver:
replaced-url
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457 [05:46:11] <somiaj> you could look at snapshot.debian.org for
older packages, but these get no support.
458 [05:46:49] <mvaenskae> i understand not receiving support for
them and hope tensorflow fixes their build system (in which case i
will migrate to the new version and rebuild tf)
459 [05:48:04] <mvaenskae> somiaj: would installing the old
nvidia version automagically pull in the whole shebang of deps?
460 [05:49:13] <mvaenskae> nope, not listed on
snapshot.debian.org...
461 [05:52:05] <somiaj> you can add various snapshots to your
sources.list and install them that way, or just manually download
the .debs you need.
462 [05:52:24] <somiaj> I don't use snapshot that often, so
read the docs.
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467 [05:59:47] <mvaenskae> thanks for mentioning the snapshot
option
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481 [06:17:24] <trueman> Hi everyone - newbie here - have
installed 6.0.4 on and old pc but cannot log in
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490 [06:29:46] <mvaenskae> alright, downgrading was not necessary
but the update broke some cuda-stuff which i manually installed
(needed it for manual compilations)
491 [06:29:55] <mvaenskae> reinstall and reboot fixed it
492 [06:30:19] <mvaenskae> but i learned about snapshots (very
valuable for the future)
493 [06:30:32] <mvaenskae> so thanks for pointing me towards that
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688 [09:28:57] <rant> can anyone think of what ELSE would cause
ssh to say no route to host.. other than there being no route to
host? I can ping -c1 10.0.0.2 and get a reply, I can access
replaced-url
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693 [09:29:42] <Habbie> rant, a firewall
694 [09:31:26] <rant> true.. hmm.. but wouldnt that have to be a
local firewall on the client side? cause if it were on the server
it'd just say connection refused or connection timed out
695 [09:31:39] <rant> I don't have any firewall on this
machine
696 [09:32:04] <rant> furthermore I was just using ssh to that
same ip and port before I swapped the server
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700 [09:34:19] <lupulo> @rant, but the firewall could drop packet
of different ways
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702 [09:35:20] <rant> yes but the error no route to host would be
generated by my local routing tables, no?
703 [09:35:37] <lupulo> rant,
replaced-url
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705 [09:35:55] <rant> hmm.. idk this new server got all kinds of
crap I'm not familiar with yet.. has fail2ban among other stuff
that installed with the freedombox I was trying out
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720 [09:38:24] <rant> not sure really what to check to see if
this is fail2ban related ..
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723 [09:38:40] <rant> I know it has a log somewhere and it adds
firewall rules
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731 [09:41:30] <rant> it does say in this freedombox security
setting that only users in the admin group will be able to login to
the console or via SSH
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797 [09:44:02] <CarlFK> how do I give a user (jenkins) sudo privs
so it doesn't prompt for a password ?
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816 [09:47:13] <rant> CarlFK: is the user already in the sudo
group?
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873 [09:48:05] <CarlFK> rant: yes
874 [09:48:18] <rant> CarlFK: change the %sudo line to read:
%sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
875 [09:48:32] <rant> CarlFK: unless you want to create a new
rule just for one user
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877 [09:48:59] <CarlFK> meh, this this is fine - thanks
878 [09:49:11] <rant> CarlFK: use the visudo command
879 [09:49:18] <rant> to edit that
880 [09:49:29] <CarlFK> rant: how do I tell visudo to use vim?
881 [09:49:37] <rant> heh
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884 [09:50:11] <rant> thats hilarious to me cause I hate vi* and
it always used to use vi.. which I believe is where it got its
name.. now it uses nano by default
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888 [09:50:33] <CarlFK> yeah, I was thinking that...
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895 [09:51:35] <rant> thats a question that has a vast many
answers.. as it has a number of ways to change this.. for a single
run doing EDITOR=vi visudo should work
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897 [09:52:23] <rant> for more information see man visudo, the
bit about editors is at the top.. says it uses /usr/bin/editor by
default which is handled by alternatives i.e. update-alternatives
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941 [09:52:50] <rant> so the simplest most debian way of doing it
would be to change your default editor in alternatives
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944 [09:53:01] <rant> but it can also be done with env vars or
directives in the sudoers file itself
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1009 [09:55:51] * rant removes all the freedom box crap and prepares to
reboot :P
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1013 [09:56:51] <rant> I satisfied my curiousity and seeing what
that does.. might be great for someone who doesn't know wth
they're doing, but its confusing the crap outta me and I just
wanna ssh in and get to work, dont need newfangled crap I dont
understand keepin me out
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1032 [10:02:48] <lupulo> rant, man update-alternatives
1033 [10:02:53] <rant> :D thats more like it..
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1036 [10:03:32] <rant> lupulo: I ain't your man, buddy
1037 [10:04:04] <rant> (its a south park meme..)
1038 [10:04:20] <rant> I wasn't asking about alternatives I
was answering a question about it
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1040 [10:04:32] <rant> more specifically about how to change the
editor for visudo
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1045 [10:07:35] <Ticho_> "man visudo" has an entire
paragraph about how visudo chooses the editor program
1046 [10:07:50] <rant> yeah.. I said that as well
1047 [10:08:12] <rant> but I felt the need to mention alternatives
cause it doesnt mention that
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1049 [10:08:37] <Ticho_> because it's a completely unrelated
thing
1050 [10:08:44] <rant> and lesser experienced users who havent
been using debian for decades might not realize the reference to
/usr/bin/editor is a link to alternatives
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1052 [10:09:13] <rant> it is in general, but not in debian.. and
not if a user is likely the only user of a system and prefers vi to
nano
1053 [10:09:31] <rant> which I think is insane, but w/e
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1055 [10:09:44] * rant isn't a fan of vi* :P
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1060 [10:11:32] <tinyhippo> visudo is a stupid thing
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1062 [10:11:59] <tinyhippo> should just be
/path/to/editor/of/your/choice /etc/sudoers
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1065 [10:12:40] <rant> not really.. its validation of editing a
priv escalating config with far reaching scope and giving a less
confusing entry into the linux manual pages than sudoers :P
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1067 [10:14:33] <Ticho_> tinyhippo: nobody is stopping you from
doing just that on your system
1068 [10:14:45] <jelly> tinyhippo: and let users edit
/var/spool/cron/crontabs/$USER directly! crontab -e is stupid
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1073 [10:15:49] <rant>
replaced-url
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1075 [10:16:02] <rant> C-x M-C M-butterfly :P
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1082 [10:20:27] <bleb> im trying to enable "sudo apt
..." for my user account with no password
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1084 [10:20:36] <bleb> in my sudoers file i have:
1085 [10:20:36] <bleb> cm ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/apt
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1087 [10:21:04] <Habbie> bleb, any reason you're trying to
allow just apt and not everything else?
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1091 [10:22:06] <bleb> Habbie: i have some distractions dns
blocked and want to make it difficult for myself to circumvent
1092 [10:22:17] <Habbie> fair enough :)
1093 [10:22:43] <bleb> ok its working now... i forgot i had
changed my user account name
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1099 [10:26:44] <tinyhippo> jelly: I mean the fact that it's
called visudo and opens nano where nano is set as the default editor
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1102 [10:26:54] <tinyhippo> maybe it should be `sudotab -e`
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1105 [10:28:40] <Ticho_> don't forget to also change commands
vipw and vigr, while you're at it
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1134 [10:57:25] <ksk> tinyhippo: visudo is a wrapper around
EDITOR, which makes sure you do not mess up sudoers (and end up with
an unusable system)
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1151 [11:07:47] <melpy> TwT
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1155 [11:09:18] <Mdlpe> Hi, I attempt to install MxDebian on my
laptop. I installed it on my second hdd. I made a new efi partition
on sdb. All is fine but I don't have ths Windows boot option on
the grub menu. How to add it, please ?
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1160 [11:10:37] <AdamJensen> Does Debian's Chromium disable
signing in with a google sync account?
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1171 [11:18:49] <AdamJensen> Halp?
1172 [11:18:57] <ksk> AdamJensen: not sure, but I thought the
whole point of chromium was to have something google-ecosystem-free
in the first place?
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1174 [11:19:23] <AdamJensen> ksk: but I need the stuff I have
synced there
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1177 [11:20:30] <lavenders> how to encrypt a normal usb drive?
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1179 [11:20:40] <ksk>
replaced-url
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1181 [11:20:57] <ksk> "They are no longer building the
Sync-APIs into Chromium, so it does not appear to be working with
the current version 59.0.3062.0."
1182 [11:21:49] <AdamJensen> ksk: everything's working fine
on my archlinux build
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1184 [11:22:03] <AdamJensen> With version 74
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1186 [11:22:49] <AdamJensen> I'm running unstable also
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1188 [11:23:01] <AdamJensen> Please, I want those digital
handcuffs from Google
1189 [11:24:55] <AdamJensen> Is Debian's chromium built
without it?
1190 [11:25:32] <AdamJensen> btw, unstable is the new sid, right?
1191 [11:25:40] <ksk> !sid
1192 [11:25:40] <dpkg> sid is, like, the codename for
<unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys.
The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to
keep ALL the pieces!!
1193 [11:25:53] <ksk> !debian-next
1194 [11:25:54] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
1195 [11:25:54] <ksk> !next
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1197 [11:26:19] <AdamJensen> ksk: don't give me that X_X
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1200 [11:30:09] <AdamJensen> Yep, it seems like the package is
built this way
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1202 [11:31:53] <kinky_nekoboi> anbody experiences kernel 4.19
hangs at the loading ramdisk stage ?
1203 [11:31:55] <AdamJensen> Starting to regret installing debian
instead of archlinux on this box...
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1207 [11:34:55] <ksk> kinky_nekoboi: is that an official debian
distributed kernel, or something you build? most of times you are
missing devices (LVM, raid, ??) when it hangs on ramdisk.
1208 [11:35:04] <xevilstar> hello fellow debianinsts ..... where
can I check if anyone is looking after
replaced-url
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1210 [11:36:07] <kinky_nekoboi> ksk, its the offical kernel from
debian buster
1211 [11:36:14] <ksk> xevilstar: the maintainer of that package
(And maybe more) have gotten an email regarding your issue.
1212 [11:36:39] <ksk> kinky_nekoboi: since buster is not live
(yet), I think this talk is best put to debian-next.
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1214 [11:36:54] <kinky_nekoboi> ksk, some background: ASUS
KGPE-D16 with coreboot. 4.9 from stretch boots fine
1215 [11:36:59] <xevilstar> kinky_nekoboi: I am not invited there
1216 [11:37:20] <ksk> did you read the debian-next faqtoid to the
end? its not on this network.
1217 [11:37:21] <kinky_nekoboi> cannot find debian-next on
freenode
1218 [11:37:30] <kinky_nekoboi> ah ok
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1220 [11:37:45] <xevilstar> kinky_nekoboi: can I get invited ?
1221 [11:37:58] <ksk> xevilstar: wat?
1222 [11:38:18] <xevilstar> I'd like to be invited to
#debian-next
1223 [11:38:25] <xevilstar> how can I ?
1224 [11:38:29] <ksk> !tell xevilstar about debian-next
1225 [11:38:34] <ksk> read what the bot says.
1226 [11:38:46] <xevilstar> !tell xevilstar about debian-next
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1228 [11:39:05] <ksk> it did already message you. look out for a
window with a private message (from dpkg)
1229 [11:40:03] <xevilstar> [11:39:32] Attempting connection to
irc.oftc.net (OFTC) on port 6667
1230 [11:40:05] <xevilstar> [11:39:32] Looking up the server
hostname (irc.oftc.net)...
1231 [11:40:08] <xevilstar> [11:39:35] Can't find the server
IP address: Unknown node (host not found)
1232 [11:41:01] <ksk> works for me (and using google its 8.8.8.8)
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1237 [11:41:43] <xevilstar> now it works
1238 [11:42:21] <uptime> Huh, didn't work for me either a few
minutes ago.
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1242 [11:46:24] <xevilstar>
replaced-url
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1244 [11:46:44] <xevilstar> wait ... connecting ....
1245 [11:47:11] <xevilstar> (slow as death by hunger)
1246 [11:47:21] <xevilstar> 404
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1253 [11:49:21] <AdamJensen> Why not make the unstable channel
here? Connecting to another server is a hassle
1254 [11:49:46] <xevilstar> AdamJensen: exactly
1255 [11:49:51] <jelly> AdamJensen: this IS the other server.
1256 [11:50:10] <AdamJensen> jelly: but we can't talk about
unstable/sid here
1257 [11:50:14] <jelly> all #debian* channels are on OFTC.
irc.debian.org is OFTC.
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1261 [11:54:00] <xevilstar> jelly: cannot reach that oftc site
1262 [11:54:16] <xevilstar> jelly: how can validate my nickname ?
1263 [11:54:30] <humpled> WAH
1264 [11:55:23] <shellclear> hi, it has been few days OS always
checks filesystem at boot time, looking for a solution I verify
/etc/fstab and tune2fs
1265 [11:55:25] <shellclear>
replaced-url
1266 [11:56:11] <shellclear> the question is: why 'Maximum
mount count' value is set to -1 ?
1267 [11:56:30] <shellclear> Ididnt remember to change this option
in the filesystem
1268 [11:57:05] <shellclear> would someone knows why that?
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1272 [11:59:03] <xevilstar> nice I am trying from two different
connections to reach
replaced-url
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1277 [12:02:00] <tdn> How can I implement a 'pi-hole' on
a regular Debian server that is not a raspberrypi?
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1282 [12:03:51] <Unit193> xevilstar: Try to send /msg nickserv
checkverify over there now.
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1284 [12:04:56] <xevilstar> Unit193: NickServ
[services@services.oftc.net]: To set +R, your nick must be
registered and verified.
1285 [12:05:30] <Unit193> xevilstar: Did you try since I made that
comment?
1286 [12:06:10] <Unit193> If so, seems you aren't logged in?
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1288 [12:08:03] <xevilstar> Unit193: I tried to verify connecting
to the https site but 404
1289 [12:08:23] <xevilstar> tried that checkverify and nada
1290 [12:08:27] <Unit193> Yeah, but your account is verified now
(/msg NickServ info xevilstar)
1291 [12:08:29] <xevilstar> will try again now
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1293 [12:09:17] <xevilstar> oki works now
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1296 [12:10:19] <xevilstar> thanks
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1299 [12:13:08] <r1nt3c> clear
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1318 [12:28:47] <melpy> TwT
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1325 [12:31:10] <Lope> do unix domain sockets have any MTU?
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1330 [12:33:25] <Greyztar> hello, im wondering is it possible to
get continuously output from ps command? Im trying this sort of ps
aux | grep program | tail -f but obviously doesnt work,is there
another way?
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1332 [12:33:51] <Lope> Solved. /proc/sys/net/core/wmem_max
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1335 [12:37:14] <humpled> Greyztar $ watch <command>
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1337 [12:38:10] <Greyztar> humpled, nice one exactly what i was
looking for =)
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1339 [12:40:16] <humpled> yup i used to do all kinds of faff until
i heard of that
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1351 [12:54:26] <melpy> milkt: =w=
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1365 [13:04:54] <uio> Hi. I noticed over the past few days that my
default firefox search had been switched to Google. Why is this?
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1373 [13:07:59] <kreyren> anyone figured out how to nuke systemd
from debian buster (minimall install)
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1378 [13:10:42] <kreyren> getting this err
replaced-url
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1380 [13:11:21] <Habbie> that's a pretty clear error
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1385 [13:12:35] <Habbie> kreyren, i haven't tried it, but
perhaps installing sysvinit-core will help
1386 [13:12:38] <uptime> uio: Probably more a thing you'd
want to take up with firefox's support rather than
(#)debian's.
1387 [13:13:25] <kreyren> Habbie: core and utils of sysvinit
already installed
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1389 [13:13:40] <kreyren> uptime: what
1390 [13:13:59] <themill> kreyren: that's not what the error
message says
1391 [13:14:10] <uptime> kreyren: "what" what?
1392 [13:14:22] <Habbie> update-alternatives perhaps?
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1395 [13:15:32] <kreyren> themill:
replaced-url
1396 [13:15:52] <kreyren> uptime: assuing it was on me.. asking
firefox for openrc support?
1397 [13:16:17] <themill> kreyren: please read the error message.
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1399 [13:16:37] <kreyren> how do i switch to it then
1400 [13:16:40] <uptime> kreyren: my comment was directed at
another user, not you, sorry
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1402 [13:16:56] <kreyren> uptime: np, mb
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1405 [13:19:34] <kreyren> themill: do i just reboot after i apted
openrc package and invoked requested script in installer?
1406 [13:20:46] <kreyren> or using upstart?
1407 [13:21:02] <kreyren> based on
replaced-url
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1410 [13:21:57] * kreyren yolo reboot
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1414 [13:23:56] <uio> uptime, But, as far as I know, Debian
packages an older version of FF.
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1417 [13:25:20] <uio> uptime, Debian FF does come with a Debian
Package search option, which must be from Debian. So it would appear
that Debian does alter some things from the original FF.
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1427 [13:29:59] <kreyren> yolo reboot failed
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1448 [13:47:47] <uio> Has anyone else had this same FF issue where
the search engine default has changed?
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1450 [13:48:05] <kreyren> I broke my xorg.. Need help:
replaced-url
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1455 [13:51:18] <kopper> kreyren: What did you do to break it?
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1459 [13:51:52] <kreyren> kopper: followed instructions to install
openrc
1460 [13:52:08] <diogenes_> kreyren, at the end of the log it
says: Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support at
replaced-url
1461 [13:52:20] <kreyren> diogenes_: did that didn't help
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1463 [13:52:45] <kreyren> seems to be missing debian dep
1464 [13:52:51] <kreyren> that was provided by systemd
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1466 [13:53:42] <kreyren> xorg 1:7.7+19 is installed
1467 [13:54:07] <kreyren> ix.io/1KNQ list of installed pck
1468 [13:54:28] <Habbie> kreyren, you do understand that debian
without systemd is not a supported configuration?
1469 [13:54:45] <kreyren> Habbie: why not it has official package
+ wiki
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1471 [13:54:52] <kreyren> + #debian-next is down
1472 [13:55:04] <Habbie> down?
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1474 [13:55:16] <kreyren> yep can't log in outputs unable to
connect
1475 [13:55:25] <Habbie> there are 178 people in it
1476 [13:55:27] <Habbie> it is not down
1477 [13:55:29] <kreyren> what
1478 [13:55:30] <kreyren> checking
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1481 [13:55:51] <kreyren> what is the server for #debian-next?
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1483 [13:56:25] <kreyren> oftc.net ?
1484 [13:56:31] <jelly> Habbie: debian with sysvinit as /sbin/init
is still a supported configuration
1485 [13:56:39] <Habbie> jelly, kreyren installed openrc
1486 [13:56:42] <Habbie>
replaced-url
1487 [13:56:48] <kreyren> including sysvinit
1488 [13:56:53] <kreyren> core + utils
1489 [13:57:00] <kreyren> since thats what openrc provides on
debian
1490 [13:57:02] <Habbie> jelly, ah i reread what i said, yes, that
was inaccurate
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1493 [13:57:15] <jelly> update-rc.d has some support for openrc
1494 [13:57:43] <kreyren> mb debian-next works i had wrong server
o.o
1495 [13:58:04] <jelly> but the further you go from the well
established defaults, more bugs you're going to find, of course
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1503 [13:59:52] <kreyren> like openrc works no issue on exherbo
and gentoo for me.. rather downstream needs to update deps for
debian..
1504 [14:01:49] <oiaohm> jelly: also going back to sysvinit means
running into the bugs that systemd fixes as well.
1505 [14:02:01] <kreyren> bugs alike
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1509 [14:03:25] <oiaohm> kreyren: systemd cgroups detect process
leak events. So when you stop a service in systemd you in fact stop
all of it. Where in sysvinit something can be left running this
results in time not being able to restart particular services
simply.
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1514 [14:07:44] <kreyren> oiaohm: reference?
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1516 [14:08:24] <kreyren> also cgroup are part of SElinux right?
i'm not using that NSA thing..
1517 [14:08:43] <oiaohm> kreyren: cgroup is not apart of Selinux.
1518 [14:09:12] <themill> tinfoil is rarely helpful to configuring
Debian.
1519 [14:09:59] <oiaohm> kreyren:
replaced-url
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1521 [14:10:56] <Resilience> oiaohm, what is a "process leak
event"?
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1523 [14:11:22] <kreyren> checking
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1525 [14:12:19] <uio> Tinfoil isn't helpful, but sarcasm is.
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1527 [14:13:12] <kreyren> mb then o.o
1528 [14:15:49] <oiaohm> Resilience: It a name I have given to a
particular annoyance. Something I use to run into with cups and
servivces. Where you tell it to restart under sysvinit and it would
fail because some resource that was required was still held by some
process that had been spawned.
1529 [14:16:17] <oiaohm> Resilience: basically a process excaped
the stop part of the sysvinit script.
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1532 [14:17:16] <oiaohm> Resilience: this could also turn into a
form of memory leak when you had restarted a service many times as
well from the lost processes.
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1534 [14:18:26] <Resilience> oiaohm, I would noto xcall it a leak,
becuase the process isnot leaking memory, but I understand what you
mean
1535 [14:19:02] <Habbie> it is commonly called a leak
1536 [14:19:04] <Habbie> not only memory can leak
1537 [14:19:10] <Habbie> some bugs leak file descriptors
1538 [14:19:28] <oiaohm> this form of bug leaks processes.
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1540 [14:20:00] <oiaohm> I hope openrc cgroup functionality will
stop this pest as well.
1541 [14:20:07] <oiaohm> In time.
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1557 [14:31:09] <EdePopede> if i want to mount an USB hdd by
mountpoint, but this HDD isn't attached, why is the DVD
accessed?
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1564 [14:35:14] <psicobra> hi guys any ideas how i can change the
default mount point for an external drive
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1567 [14:35:37] <towo^work> write it in fstab
1568 [14:35:45] <towo^work> or create an udev-rule
1569 [14:36:10] <psicobra> towo^work, i tried that but i must have
got something wrong and it stopped booting
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1571 [14:36:29] <towo^work> you have to use noauto as option in
fstab
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1577 [14:40:30] <melpy> T_T
1578 [14:41:25] <psicobra> towo^work, does this look right
replaced-url
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1590 [14:43:29] <psicobra> don't want to save incise it
doesn't boot again
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1593 [14:43:46] <psicobra> in case
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1630 [14:50:36] <kinky_nekoboi> hello
1631 [14:51:05] <kinky_nekoboi> the kernel hang i described today
also hapends with the stretch-backports kernel
linux-image-4.19.0-0.bpo.5-amd64
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1696 [15:18:19] <uio> Is hiddenwasp a concern for Debian?
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1700 [15:19:21] <greycat> Is there a CVE? Is there a DSA?
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1702 [15:19:54] <Habbie> it's a malware toolkit
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1704 [15:19:56] <Habbie> not a vulnerability
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1715 [15:21:41] <uio> Habbie, I read briefly about linux computers
being affected...
1716 [15:21:49] <Habbie> uio, yes, it is a rootkit for linux
1717 [15:22:02] <Habbie> uio, which somebody could deploy on your
system -once they have gotten access-
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1720 [15:22:36] <uio> Habbie, So, there'd have to be a
different security issue?
1721 [15:22:48] <uio> Habbie, And then they could set it up on the
machine?
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1723 [15:23:05] <Greyztar> hello, is there a way to redirect
errors to a file ,only that if its no error no file will be created?
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1726 [15:23:28] <greycat> Greyztar: no. The shell cannot predict
the future. The best you can do is remove the empty file afterward.
1727 [15:23:32] <Habbie> uio, yes
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1729 [15:23:54] <Greyztar> greycat, alright thanks!
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1735 [15:25:11] <wwilliam> Hello where are the all users alias
located?
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1737 [15:25:14] <uio> Habbie, Okay, so I guess security problems
cause more security problems. Thanks!
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1739 [15:25:35] <greycat> wwilliam: the what?
1740 [15:26:19] <wwilliam> aliases like cp=cp -i
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1742 [15:26:47] <greycat> some might be in /etc/skel/.bashrc, some
might be in /etc/bash.bashrc
1743 [15:26:57] <wwilliam> Thanks greycat
1744 [15:27:07] <Enissay> I forgot my root psw, but from my user
account I can do "sudo passwd root" and update it.
However, when I try to open a root session, I keep getting
"Access denied" !
1745 [15:27:18] <greycat> the files in /etc/skel/ get copied into
new user home directories if you create the users with adduser
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1748 [15:27:45] <greycat> Enissay: how are you trying to
"open a root session"?
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1772 [15:35:59] <Enissay> Okay, I'm MobaXterm to open these
SSH session on my raspberry. First I connect via SSH to my user,
then "sudo -i" then "sudo passwd root"... When
again I try to open an SSH session with root user, I get the
"Access denied"
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1775 [15:36:06] <Enissay> greycat: ^
1776 [15:36:09] <spectral`> hello
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1778 [15:36:27] <greycat> so the failure happens when you try to
ssh in directly as root? that probably means your sshd_config is
configured not to allow direct root logins.
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1781 [15:36:47] <greycat> grep PermitRoot /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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1792 [15:39:38] <spectral`> I'm trying to upgrade to Buster.
I did remove the defaultrelease file and the only lines left in my
sources.list are "deb
replaced-url
1793 [15:40:01] <spectral`> (actually no error shows up at all)
1794 [15:40:02] <greycat> comment out the security.debian.org line
for now, and remove the comment when buster is released
1795 [15:40:07] <Enissay> greycat:
replaced-url
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1797 [15:40:22] <dvs> spectral`, apt dist-upgrade?
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1800 [15:41:32] <greycat> Enissay: (1) raspbian support it in the
raspbian channel; (2) no PermitRoot means you're using whatever
the default is; read sshd_config(5) to find out what that is
1801 [15:41:47] <spectral`> I commented security upgrades, but I
still have no upgradable packages. (I did use both update, upgrade
and dist-upgrade)
1802 [15:41:58] <spectral`> I'm rebooting in case it needs to
reload something
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1810 [15:44:37] <spectral`> could pinning.ref be the cause? grep
shows it has a line "Pin: release a=stable"
1811 [15:44:56] <greycat> you were mixing releases before? ugh.
1812 [15:45:15] <spectral`> I was? I only used stretch, and
backports
1813 [15:45:32] <spectral`> or backports counts as mixing
1814 [15:45:46] <greycat> no, it doesn't, but you
shouldn't have to touch pinning for that
1815 [15:45:48] <Enissay> greycat: Thanks, will try there
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1818 [15:47:35] <EdePopede> is there a better solution to
columnate output of multiple commands? with `(foo;bar)|column` it
truncates after half of the lines, while i'd need something
like `<td>foo</td><td>bar</td>` were it
doesn't spread output of one command over multiple columns
1819 [15:47:53] <spectral`> well, after removing the pinning I
have 2426 packages showing up in update
1820 [15:47:56] <spectral`> problem solved
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1822 [15:49:11] <greycat> EdePopede: exec 3< <(foo) 4<
<(bar); while IFS= read -ru3 foo || IFS= read -ru4 bar; do printf
'<td>%s</td><td>%s</td>\n'
"$foo" "$bar"; done; exec 3<&-
4<&-
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1824 [15:49:52] <greycat> of course you're on your own if the
contents of the streams contain < > & chars
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1830 [15:51:38] <EdePopede> greycat: i'm still trying to get
through all these redirections, but... erm. this html was just to
demonstrate how the layout should be, i don't really want html.
only a real clean table output. just like... output of foo on the
left, output of bar on the right.
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1833 [15:52:32] <EdePopede> though piping to w3m or so would maybe
work, but this sounds like overkill
1834 [15:52:35] <greycat> EdePopede: exec 3< <(foo) 4<
<(bar); while IFS= read -ru3 foo || IFS= read -ru4 bar; do printf
'%-40s%-40s\n' "$foo" "$bar"; done;
exec 3<&- 4<&-
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1838 [15:56:51] <tw> did not know you could set env vars in only
the subcommand part of the while loop. That's really handy.
1839 [15:57:53] <greycat> And in case it wasn't obvious, the
scripts I wrote just now use bash features, so you need to run them
with #!/bin/bash and not #!/bin/sh
1840 [15:58:32] <tw> should also work in zsh, though I
haven't tried it.
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1843 [15:58:55] <greycat> specifically the process substitions
<(foo) and the read -uN flag
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1845 [16:00:04] <EdePopede> greycat: a good start. problem is only
that the 2nd column starts in the line after the 1st one unluckily.
seems that my first idea wasn't that bad: count lines for the
last printed column, go up that many lines and instead spaces move
the cursor to the right for each line. going to play a bit with ANSI
Escapes :)
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1847 [16:00:53] <greycat> is your terminal less than 80 characters
wide?
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1849 [16:02:12] <greycat> you can change the second %-40s to %s to
avoid the space padding on the second column
1850 [16:02:29] <jelly> tw: I honestly do not know anyone writing
zsh scripts (and I won't admit to it)
1851 [16:02:38] <EdePopede> more, that's the thing. i want to
show infos i did with conky, but i don't feel like setting it
up again while waiting for buster. so i thought i'd give it a
screen window of my fullscreen terminal. 212 columns in fact,
that's a nice playground.
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1853 [16:03:18] <greycat> if you want to measure the width
($COLUMNS or tput ...) and divide by two, you can do that
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1856 [16:04:30] <EdePopede> greycat: no, the issue is that for the
2nd column your script doesn't return to line 1. it continues
at line 25 or whatever depending on the length of the 1st column
1857 [16:05:03] <EdePopede> oh wait, multitail...? iirc it has
curses and multiple windows
1858 [16:05:11] <tw> jelly: I try to maintain my no-bash policy as
much as is reasonable. A petty result of the shellshock ssh exploit,
but since I started, I've just kept up the practice.
1859 [16:05:28] <greycat> EdePopede: did you forget the \n in the
printf?
1860 [16:06:08] <EdePopede> nope, copypaste and only replaced the
commands in the exec statement
1861 [16:06:44] <EdePopede> or do i also have to do it in the
while?
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1863 [16:07:30] <greycat> EdePopede: damn it. let's try...
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1865 [16:07:54] <greycat> exec 3< <(seq 3 5) 4< <(seq
111 115); while IFS= read -ru3 foo; IFS= read -ru4 bar; [[ $foo ||
$bar ]]; do printf '%-40s%-40s\n' "$foo"
"$bar"; done; exec 3<&- 4<&-
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1868 [16:08:39] <EdePopede> i wish column had such an option to
not only know about a column divider character, but also about a
line divider to make columnating long texts more flexible
1869 [16:09:06] <EdePopede> yip. great. thanks.
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1872 [16:09:44] <EdePopede> that's why i love the shell :)
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1874 [16:10:06] <greycat> it's good at some things
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1877 [16:10:24] <tw> I feel like `paste <(seq 3 5) <(seq 111
115)` would do a similar thing w/o all the reading.
1878 [16:10:47] <greycat> tw: his original question said he wanted
HTML, so I wrote that
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1880 [16:10:51] <greycat> then he changed it
1881 [16:10:52] <tw> makes sense.
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1883 [16:11:06] <tw> Taught me something too, so I'm glad of
it.
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1888 [16:17:48] <EdePopede> tw: indeed. looked yesterday through
the coreutils list and didn't find it. don't ask, i
don't have an answer either ;)
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1890 [16:18:22] <EdePopede> but still good to have an alternative.
and a nifty bash oneliner
1891 [16:19:46] <greycat> a while back in #bash we tried to figure
out what the hell the purpose of column(1) is, and it wasn't
clear to anyone
1892 [16:20:15] <greycat> it seems to be two programs merged
together into one, but neither one had a clearly defined input case
or goal
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1895 [16:21:03] <EdePopede> i only used it to columnate lines lke
a:b:c so far, with -t -s: or what the options are (gnu uses
different ones in different commands :/)
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1898 [16:21:37] <greycat> "column -t" does a thing, and
"column" without -t does another thing, but neither of
those things is obviously useful
1899 [16:21:49] <greycat> or at least, none of us at the time
could figure it out
1900 [16:23:12] <EdePopede> i thing i used it (as an example) as
part of the process of filtering and outlaying (is this even a
word?) the output of sensors
1901 [16:23:22] <EdePopede> s/thing/think/
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1903 [16:23:42] <tw> I could find a use for column sans -t. In the
same way ls automatically generates columns from output.
1904 [16:24:06] <EdePopede> and things like password files, a
common delimiter throughout the whole thing being really helpful
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1975 [17:16:35] <velix> apt search fast-food
1976 [17:16:39] <velix> apt install kebap
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1978 [17:18:19] <EdePopede> velix, be careful. kebap depends on
hot and everything ;)
1979 [17:18:39] <velix> EdePopede: chicken not found :(
1980 [17:19:01] <EdePopede> velix: add the Wienerwald repo ;)
1981 [17:20:17] <mason> kebap?
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1983 [17:20:29] <mason> variant of kebab?
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1985 [17:22:03] <EdePopede> mason: german wikipedia has it as
alternative, turkish starts with "Döner ya da döner
kebap". one should be a transitional package.
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1987 [17:22:31] <mason> heh
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1992 [17:24:14] <mason> Oh, wow. I never new the etymology here:
replaced-url
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1994 [17:25:08] <EdePopede> #debian-offtopic you mean?
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1996 [17:25:40] <mason> Likely, yes.
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2001 [17:30:47] <kalipso> hey guys. i have trouble setting up
dnsmasq. i use it as dns and dhcp. the problem is that it is giving
out ipv6 nameservers which ignore my local domains. is there a way
to prevent that?
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2003 [17:31:30] <kalipso> maybe i have to configure something in
ip6tables?
2004 [17:32:09] <Dagger> ip6tables isn't going to affect
which DNS servers dnsmasq hands out
2005 [17:32:21] <jelly> kalipso: what do you mean ignore, did you
tell dnsmasq to forward queries for your private domains to your own
auth servers?
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2007 [17:32:42] <Dagger> the right answer is to configure it to
give out the servers you want to use instead of ones you don't
want to use, but I don't know how to do that with dnsmasq
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2009 [17:33:18] <jelly> Dagger: dnsmasq puts itself in
resolv.conf, and forwards or responds authoritatively based on
config
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2015 [17:35:53] <jelly> kalipso: which debian release is this?
What does your dnsmasq.conf look like?
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2019 [17:37:19] <kalipso> jelly: i configured a local domain
"local=/foo.bar/". when connecting via dhcp i get an ip
and to nameservers in resolv.conf. the first one is the ipv4 addr of
the host running dnsmasq and the second one is an ipv6 addr which
looks like it represents the whole subnet. if i use the ipv4
nameserver the local domains are resolved correctly, if i use the
ipv6 nameserver it does not
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2024 [17:38:47] <kalipso> jelly: stretch
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2026 [17:39:04] <jelly> kalipso: is "foo.bar" the actual
domain name you're using?
2027 [17:39:24] <kalipso> jelly: no :D
2028 [17:39:42] <jelly> the real value wouldn't by any chance
end with .local would it?
2029 [17:39:48] <kalipso> no
2030 [17:40:00] <jelly> okay
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2034 [17:41:54] <kalipso> on my laptop everything is fine. the
problem is that windows and android devices prever the ipv6 addr
which prevents them from finding the local host
2035 [17:41:58] <tds> kalipso: what's the ipv6 address
exactly? I think dnsmasq in certain configs can hand out its own
link local address with rdnss options in RAs?
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2037 [17:42:50] <kalipso> tds: its like:
"1111:2222:3333::1"
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2039 [17:43:24] <kalipso> thats why i think it represents a
subnet. iam not rly into ipv6
2040 [17:43:30] <tds> and that address isn't bound on the box
running dnsmasq? are you sure it's coming from dnsmasq in the
first place?
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2042 [17:43:48] <tds> ::1 in a subnet is often a router, sounds
like your router might be sending RAs with its own address as an
rdnss option
2043 [17:44:10] <Dagger> that represents the subnet as much as
192.168.1.1 represents a v4 subnet (i.e. not at all; it's
probably your router)
2044 [17:44:19] <Dagger> and my gut says the v6 address is
probably coming from your router via RDNSS, in which case you'd
need to do the reconfiguring on the router
2045 [17:44:55] <tds> `rdisc6 eth0` will tell you what's
actually sending RAs, on debiany things you want the ndisc6 package
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2049 [17:45:40] <kalipso> tds: okay. so i have no router, the
router is a debian machine which also runs dnsmasq
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2051 [17:45:49] <kalipso> how would i prevent to send rdnss
2052 [17:46:03] <tds> I'd run that command to check if
it's actually coming from RDNSS options in RAs first
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2058 [17:46:49] <Dagger> so what machine is 1111:2222:3333::1?
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2060 [17:47:04] <kalipso> tds: gimme a sec
2061 [17:47:09] <tds> ^^ what Dagger said
2062 [17:48:12] <kalipso> i get "Sending ICMPv6 packet:
Operation not permitted"
2063 [17:48:15] <kalipso> as full root
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2065 [17:48:55] <kalipso> iam dropping INPUT and OUTPUT in
ip6tables for debugging
2066 [17:48:56] <Lady_Aleena> Before I do the dist-upgrade, I
believe I was told to NOT be in my de while doing that. So, how do I
get out of my de and get a command prompt and log in as root?
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2068 [17:49:33] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: log out, then Ctrl-Alt-F2
2069 [17:49:36] <tds> yeah, those drop rules would break it, if
you really want to test without removing the drop rules you could
just tcpdump for icmp6 on the interface
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2071 [17:50:29] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: if your dist-upgrade is also
a release upgrade, consider running it inside screen or tmux.
2072 [17:50:53] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, what are those?
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2075 [17:51:17] <jelly> !screen
2076 [17:51:17] <dpkg> screen is a terminal multiplexor, allowing
you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add key
bindings, scroll back, copy/paste and lets you resume all your
sessions if your terminal dies or are disconnected. See
/usr/share/doc/screen/README.Debian and ask about <screen
tutorial>, <byobu>. See
replaced-url
2077 [17:52:09] <kalipso> tds: ok i ACCEPT INPUT and OUTPUT now. i
get some output, there is a line "recursive dns server "
followed by the ipv6 address i get in resolv.conf
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2080 [17:52:32] <tds> ok, sounds like that is where it's
coming from then, so what's the source of that RA?
2081 [17:52:37] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: both allow logging of output
which is helpful when something goes wonky
2082 [17:52:43] <Lady_Aleena> Okay, this made it even more
complicated.
2083 [17:52:48] <jelly> yes.
2084 [17:52:49] <dvs> yup
2085 [17:52:59] <kalipso> iam starting to think that one of the
openwrt access points is handling out that address. because i DROPED
ipv6 on the dnsmasq host and still got that ipv6 nameserver
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2087 [17:53:10] <greycat> the release notes suggest using
script(1) to log the session
2088 [17:53:29] <tds> kalipso: rdisc6 should include the source
mac, you can hunt it down from there
2089 [17:53:33] <jelly> I... run script -a ... inside screen.
2090 [17:53:39] <Lady_Aleena> I was just going to change my
sources.list, apt-get update, then log out, ctrl-alt-F2, log in as
root and run the dist-upgrade. Now there are additional steps?
2091 [17:54:02] <dvs> that's fine
2092 [17:54:17] <jelly> greycat: ubuntu's do-release-upgrade
script does all that and ALSO starts a separate sshd on a different
port
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2094 [17:54:36] <Lady_Aleena> This is why I haven't upgraded
from jessie yet. I don't know what the proper set up steps are.
2095 [17:54:38] <jelly> (they're covering as many bases as
sanely possible)
2096 [17:54:41] <themill> Lady_Aleena: you know how you keep
ignoring the release notes because it has additional steps in there?
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2098 [17:55:08] <Lady_Aleena> themill, I read the upgrade guide
several times, it is filled with too much technobabble.
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2100 [17:55:17] <Lady_Aleena> I can't understand half of it.
2101 [17:55:25] <themill> you mean the extra steps that
you're now saying you don't know about
2102 [17:56:03] <Lady_Aleena> I read something about logging, but
I didn't understand it.
2103 [17:56:24] <jelly> maybe ask us about the specific things you
don't understand?
2104 [17:56:34] <Lady_Aleena> I didn't see anything about
using screen, unless I missed it in the upgrade thing.
2105 [17:57:00] <greycat> screen/tmux was jelly's personal
suggestion, not part of the release notes AFAIK
2106 [17:57:00] <themill> « In order to gain extra safety
margin when upgrading remotely, we suggest that you run upgrade
processes in the virtual console provided by the screen program,
which enables safe reconnection and ensures the upgrade process is
not interrupted even if the remote connection process fails.»
2107 [17:57:10] <kalipso> tds: with the MAC and some nmap scan i
was able to find the AP. thanks a lot u saved my day, i was close to
getting insane :)
2108 [17:57:33] <greycat> ah, the "remotely" clause.
right, I forgot that...
2109 [17:57:39] * jelly .o O.O
2110 [17:57:59] <tds> kalipso: depending on what switches
you're using, you may want to enable "RA guard" or a
similar feature to drop RAs from ports that don't have routers
behind them :)
2111 [17:58:07] * jelly did not know the release notes told about screen
either
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2113 [17:59:10] <kalipso> tds: i will look into that
2114 [18:01:42] <Lady_Aleena> For example, section "4.1.4.
Prepare for recovery" seems to be talking about what could go
wrong AFTER the upgrade, am I correct? If so, why isn't it at
the end of the document?
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2116 [18:02:50] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: the word 'Prepare'
kinda says it all.
2117 [18:03:15] <themill> It's hard to prepare for disaster
recovery after the disaster.
2118 [18:03:50] <dvs> "For this reason it makes sense to
ensure that you will be able to recover if your system should fail
to reboot or, for remotely managed systems, fail to bring up
networking. "
2119 [18:04:13] <dvs> that says it all.
2120 [18:04:55] <Lady_Aleena> What is an initrds?
2121 [18:05:05] <greycat> the plural of initrd, which is an
initial ram disk
2122 [18:05:07] <Lady_Aleena> From section 4.1.4.1
2123 [18:05:27] <greycat> Debian kernel images use an initrd to
boot. Those live in /boot.
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2126 [18:06:11] <greycat> Each Debian kernel you've installed
has 3 files in /boot: vmlinuz (the kernel itself), initrd.img (the
initial ram disk image), and config (a text file showing the
configuration options)
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2141 [18:14:33] <Lady_Aleena> I'm not trying to find a page
that tells me how to make a live CD just in case. This may take a
while.
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2143 [18:15:05] <greycat> !live
2144 [18:15:05] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built
Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can
be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from
replaced-url
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2159 [18:21:39] <Lady_Aleena> Which file do I want from
replaced-url
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2163 [18:22:04] <jelly> whichever you prefer?
2164 [18:22:12] <EdePopede> favorite DE?
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2168 [18:22:25] <EdePopede> (you still can install another one
later)
2169 [18:22:56] <jelly> EdePopede: this is only for recovery
purposes, their goal is jessie->stretch
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2171 [18:23:15] <EdePopede> ah right
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2173 [18:24:03] <Lady_Aleena> So the KDE iso then, since I use KDE
right?
2174 [18:24:23] <dvs> sure
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2176 [18:26:23] <jelly> collect them all!
2177 [18:26:37] <jelly> a set of 7 usb sticks!
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2181 [18:27:51] <jelly> if your hardware requires non-free
firmware to get network access, consider using an unofficial live
image with firmware
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2183 [18:28:07] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, I'm using CDs, I
don't have any usb sticks.
2184 [18:28:27] <Lady_Aleena> And I am running out of CDs.
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2186 [18:28:53] <jelly> well next time maybe get a couple cheap
8GB sticks
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2188 [18:29:15] <jelly> they can be overwritten a hundred times
with different images
2189 [18:29:36] <Lady_Aleena> Now, that I have the iso, I've
opened up K3b, but I can't remember the steps for making the
cd.
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2191 [18:30:19] <dvs> Tools | Burn Image...
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2193 [18:32:44] <Lady_Aleena> Burning now...this will take a
while.
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2204 [18:36:36] <EdePopede> Lady_Aleena: on the long run sticks
are far better than CDs, which i'd use only when really needed.
even for backup purposes a HD is cheaper nowadays.
2205 [18:36:37] <Lady_Aleena> I don't think I have any
firmware that needed something from non-free to get it to work.
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2208 [18:37:06] <Lady_Aleena> EdePopede, my last USB stick died on
me. I can't access the files on it.
2209 [18:37:29] <Lady_Aleena> And it was my good 64GB usb stick.
2210 [18:37:34] <EdePopede> ouch
2211 [18:37:53] <Lady_Aleena> Yep, the thing won't mount.
2212 [18:37:57] <EdePopede> never spent too much for them, even
bought one in a discounter. and 32GB was my limit so far.
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2214 [18:38:22] <EdePopede> did you try to dd it? maybe just a
software problem
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2216 [18:38:50] <jhutchins_wk1> Anything you have only on a flash
drive you don't really have. Shrodinger's files.
2217 [18:38:55] <Lady_Aleena> I can't remember all the steps
I took to recover it, it was a while ago. I have two back up hard
drives in my computer, so I rsync things to them.
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2220 [18:39:26] <jhutchins_wk1> I built a system a few years ago
with a hotplug SATA bay and five rotating backup drives.
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2223 [18:39:57] <EdePopede> what about SDD? aren't they flash
after all?
2224 [18:39:59] <Lady_Aleena> So, my boot disk is complete, I
hope.
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2227 [18:40:50] <EdePopede> Lady_Aleena: you could read it back
and check if you think you'll feel better about it. or simply
try to boot from it
2228 [18:42:06] <jhutchins_wk1> EdePopede: From what I've
seen, SSDs started out slightly more reliable than USB sticks and
have continuously improved.
2229 [18:42:39] <jhutchins_wk1> EdePopede: We now have enterprise
storage systems with multiple terabytes. They're raid of
course, but not a high failure rate.
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2232 [18:44:41] <EdePopede> so maybe i should really think of one
for the system. would it be advisable to also put the swap to it?
2233 [18:45:34] <jhutchins_wk1> EdePopede: In as much as you
don't want to be using swap except in "emergencies",
it's ok to put it on SSD.
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2237 [18:46:17] <Lady_Aleena> So, with this disk, I could install
Stretch if the dist-upgrade fails, right?
2238 [18:46:35] <EdePopede> jhutchins: xfce on both machines, this
one is for daily usage, 2GB RAM only, the other ones with 4GB runs
smoother even with a live stick :D
2239 [18:46:50] <dvs> yes
2240 [18:46:50] <noahmg123> Is there any command I can pipe some
text into that will parse ascii escape codes (like \040 becomes a
space)?
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2243 [18:47:42] <pie3> how CPU communicates with various
controllers?
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2247 [18:48:11] <greycat> is \ooo the only type of escape sequence
you need to expand?
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2249 [18:48:24] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: the idea is to have a
stepping point to fix things if you end up with an unbootable or
otherwise broken system during the release upgrade
2250 [18:48:35] <Lady_Aleena> So, sections 4.1.4.1 and 4.1.4.2 are
to be used to figure out what went wrong on my system if
dist-upgrade doesn't work as expected?
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2252 [18:49:26] <noahmg123> greycat: yeah that's it. my
.mysql_history file somehow got corrupted with them.
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2254 [18:49:57] <greycat> noahmg123: if it's a small to
medium amount of text, printf %b "$(< your file)"
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2256 [18:50:12] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, that's correct
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2260 [18:53:09] <jhutchins_wk> What automation/scripting is
available to manage bind dns?
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2262 [18:54:02] <nkuttler> jhutchins_wk: hm, what do you want to
automate?
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2265 [18:55:15] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: /usr/sbin/rndc
2266 [18:55:17] * jelly hides
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2268 [18:55:39] <Lady_Aleena> Running aptitude by itself is pretty
intense.
2269 [18:56:02] * Lady_Aleena is going through the results of aptitude
search '~i(!~ODebian)' again, and all the same packages
are listed from the last time.
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2271 [18:57:11] <Lady_Aleena> It seems that it doesn't like
my printer driver, discord, ffmpeg, something from geany, and my
preferred terminal emulator.
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2273 [18:58:23] <blacksoul> Hello everyone
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2275 [18:59:19] <blacksoul> I was installed teamviewer on my pc
but not working with waysland.Can anyone solve it?
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2277 [19:00:11] <jelly> don't run wayland, run a session with
X ?
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2281 [19:02:28] <blacksoul> i am using gnome bro
2282 [19:02:36] <blacksoul> how to run with X?
2283 [19:02:40] <Lady_Aleena> I just messed up bad with aptitude.
I will be gone for a while. It just uninstalled KDE.
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2285 [19:02:55] <Lady_Aleena> I think it is killing my system.
2286 [19:03:08] <Lady_Aleena> It is removing everything.
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2288 [19:03:20] <greycat> blacksoul: I've been told that
somewhere on the login screen there is a widget that lets you select
"GNOME with X" instead of "GNOME with Wayland"
2289 [19:03:22] <blacksoul> Running with gdm3 bro
2290 [19:03:42] <blacksoul> Yes i see bro
2291 [19:03:46] <blacksoul> Thanks for suggest
2292 [19:03:55] <Lady_Aleena> It looks like I'm not running
dist-upgrade, but doing a fresh install from the disk I just made.
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2294 [19:04:30] <Lady_Aleena> If I close anything right now, I am
sol.
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2296 [19:04:44] <annadane> you don't have to accept
aptitude's suggestion, you can cycle between them...
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2298 [19:05:08] <annadane> look at what the output tells you
before pressing y for updates
2299 [19:05:15] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, you booted of the live disk to
do the upgrade
2300 [19:05:19] <dvs> ?
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2304 [19:07:06] <Lady_Aleena> Not yet, I was following the
directions on the upgrade page that said " To perform this
review, launch aptitude in full-terminal mode and press g
(“Go”). If it shows any actions, you should review them
and either fix them or implement the suggested actions. If no
actions are suggested you will be presented with a message saying
“No packages are scheduled to be installed, removed, or
upgraded”."
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2307 [19:07:36] <greycat> I don't think *anyone* ever follows
all those steps.
2308 [19:07:43] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: which upgrade page is that
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2310 [19:08:00] <dvs> jelly, section 4.2.1
2311 [19:08:08] <dvs> release notes for stretch
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2313 [19:08:21] <Lady_Aleena> I pressed g, and it did this so far:
replaced-url
2314 [19:08:57] <Lady_Aleena> I was following on screen
instructions from aptitude. I messed up.
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2318 [19:09:43] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: you pressed g twice, probably
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2320 [19:09:51] <dvs> So it looks like kde was scheduled to be
removed but it wasn't actually run (yet).
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2322 [19:10:11] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: if you want kde to be
installed, install task-kde-desktop back.
2323 [19:10:32] <Lady_Aleena> I hope I can jelly. I haven't
pressed return after that last thing.
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2327 [19:12:46] <noahmg123> greycat: thank you, I will try that
2328 [19:13:49] <Lady_Aleena> This is why I wish there were an
upgrade package I could install and run that would do what needs to
be done without the complicated instructions that lead me to do
stupid crap like this.
2329 [19:14:40] <dvs> There would be no way to make one upgrade
package that would work for everyone.
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2331 [19:15:19] <greycat> "edit sources.list, apt update, apt
upgrade, apt full-upgrade" should work for about 95% of cases
2332 [19:15:29] <greycat> the dozens of pages of what-ifs are for
the other 5%
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2335 [19:16:15] <noahmg123> greycat: ok it works, but now there
are no line breaks
2336 [19:16:41] <greycat> noahmg123: you're sure you
remembered the double quotes around "$(< file)" ?
2337 [19:17:16] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, that was what I was going
to do over an hour ago, but logging and other things were mentioned,
so I went through the list on the upgrade page set by step this
time, and I made a mess.
2338 [19:17:35] <noahmg123> I forgot whoops
2339 [19:17:40] <noahmg123> Thanks, it works now
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2341 [19:18:04] <jelly> dvs: ubuntu has one.
2342 [19:18:30] <jelly> they also have like 10% the amount of
actually supported packages
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2344 [19:20:10] <jelly> and I think they force conf-new and do
some other unsightly things to streamline the process
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2346 [19:20:42] <dvs> jelly, ugh.
2347 [19:21:42] <noahmg123> greycat: ok wait, the file keeps
getting corrupted with those escape codes whenever I login to my
databse
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2349 [19:22:19] <greycat> I can't help much with mysql issues
2350 [19:22:48] <noahmg123> Yeah, I just asked over in #mysql
2351 [19:23:04] <annadane> mysql support questions, thesequel.
2352 [19:25:02] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, aptitude install
task-kde-desktop gets KDE back.
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2359 [19:27:12] <Lady_Aleena> dvs, I used apt-get install, I hope
it worked.
2360 [19:27:24] <Lady_Aleena> I haven't rebooted yet, so I
don't know.
2361 [19:27:40] <dvs> apt-get is fine too
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2363 [19:28:13] <Lady_Aleena> Right now, I'm trying to copy
/etc to my home dir.
2364 [19:28:29] <Lady_Aleena> cp -r /etc/ myetc/ isn't
working.
2365 [19:28:39] <jerry> r u root?
2366 [19:28:53] <Lady_Aleena> No, I will try that next.
2367 [19:29:43] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: many files in /etc are only
readable by root. So you may want to put the backup somewhere else
besies $HOME too, maybe /home/etc, or /home/backup/etc, this way you
can preserve permissions, and not have it in your users $HOME.
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2377 [19:36:22] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, thank you.
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2380 [19:38:11] <Lady_Aleena> I got it copied and then rsynced to
another drive.
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2386 [19:40:20] <Lady_Aleena> Do I just copy and paste the lines
in section 4.4.1 to get a transcript, or do they need fiddling to be
more specific to me?
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2391 [19:42:04] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, I think they want you do
substitute the word "step" with the name of the actual
step you're performing.
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2395 [19:42:46] <Lady_Aleena> Do you all do that part?
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2397 [19:43:25] <dvs> I don't
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2408 [19:50:06] <Lady_Aleena> Well, I am going to go with
greycat's list of commands, and pray it works.
2409 [19:50:34] <han-solo> Who would you pray to ?
2410 [19:50:43] <dvs> ME!
2411 [19:50:55] <dvs> and a require pennance!
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2414 [19:51:24] <Lady_Aleena> I hope to see you on the other side,
safe and sane.
2415 [19:51:56] <weedloser> one should only pray to the manuals
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2418 [19:52:45] <greycat>
replaced-url
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2421 [19:53:03] <han-solo> Safe journey Ms. Lane
2422 [19:53:11] <han-solo> oh, she's gone :)
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2425 [19:53:44] <han-solo> greycat: who's that ?
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2428 [19:54:14] <greycat> Richard Stallman as St. Ignutius
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2433 [19:56:20] <han-solo> Oh, Society of Jesus
2434 [19:56:29] <melpy> what is going on here
2435 [19:57:32] <dvs> trouble!
2436 [19:57:39] <han-solo> We're waiting for Lady_Aleena to
come back...
2437 [19:58:09] <dvs> IF she comes back. Muhahahaha! :-P
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2439 [19:58:31] <han-solo> one way or other. Either in rage or
pure happiness
2440 [19:59:11] <pyfgcr> is
replaced-url
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2445 [19:59:52] <guipan> Hi everybody!
2446 [20:00:32] <han-solo> pyfgcr: who's stopping you ?
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2448 [20:00:44] <han-solo> s/who/what/ # :)
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2450 [20:01:10] <pyfgcr> han-solo: I mean, is there any policy
stating I shouldn't?
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2452 [20:01:50] <han-solo> pyfgcr: I'm also waiting for
someone to comment :)
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2459 [20:06:20] <melpy> well the maintainer is formorer ask him
lol
2460 [20:06:57] <melpy> away nevermind
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2467 [20:11:07] <yepla> hello
2468 [20:11:18] <yepla> i have a little question
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2472 [20:11:39] <yepla> i have create a raid1 with lvm for an hard
drive
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2475 [20:11:54] <yepla> and i want automount it in /mnt/storage
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2479 [20:12:40] <yepla> and i would like know if i must set 0 or 2
in fstab for pass
2480 [20:12:42] <yepla> <pass> fsck reads the <pass>
number and determines in which order the file systems should be
checked. Possible entries are 0, 1, and 2. The root file system
should have the highest priority, 1, all other file systems you want
to have checked should get a 2. File systems with a <pass>
value 0 will not be checked by the fsck utility.
2481 [20:12:52] <yepla> i dont understand quite well what is it
...
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2487 [20:13:57] <greycat> what part don't you understand?
2488 [20:14:20] <yepla> in fact i dont understand if it must be
checked or not
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2490 [20:14:48] <teclo> Federighi said "let's descend
into darkness"
2491 [20:15:02] <teclo> I thought he was gonna talk about W*ndows
but no
2492 [20:15:07] <greycat> File systems get checked when you boot.
That number in the fstab field controls the order. Root gets checked
first. Everything else gets checked after that.
2493 [20:15:08] <teclo> it wasn't a metaphor, actually
2494 [20:15:26] <greycat> If it's not a file system (e.g.
it's swap) then you put a 0 there, because it's not a file
system, so it does not get checked.
2495 [20:15:46] <greycat> I don't know how I describe this
any more clearly than the man page.
2496 [20:16:01] <yepla> so in fact i dont understand the world
filesystems
2497 [20:16:17] <greycat> A file system is a thing that you can
mount on a directory. It has files in it.
2498 [20:16:19] <yepla> filesystem mean file of the system
2499 [20:16:30] <greycat> A swap partition, by contrast, is not
mounted, and does not contain files.
2500 [20:16:45] <yepla> my hard drive contain data
2501 [20:16:54] <yepla> but does it a filesystem ?
2502 [20:17:15] <mason> yepla: A filesystem is how your data is
organized.
2503 [20:17:16] <greycat> Your hard drive contains (probably) one
or more partitions. Each partition may have a file system in it, or
may be used as swap, or may be used as raw database storage, or
whatever.
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2505 [20:17:53] <greycat> The entries you see in "df"
are file systems, even though some of them are virtual (do not have
actual disk storage behind them).
2506 [20:17:54] <yepla> i still don t know if i must use 0 or 2
2507 [20:18:02] <sorko999> yepla if you don't want it
checked, then put a 0 there... some examples: say it's a device
that might not always be available (you remove it often) or
you're using a FS type that doesn't require fsck'ing,
you can put a zero there.
2508 [20:18:04] <greycat> If you're adding a new swap
partiton, use 0.
2509 [20:18:11] <greycat> If you're adding a new file system,
use 2.
2510 [20:18:49] <yepla> i m not using swap
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2513 [20:19:07] <greycat> What are you adding to fstab?
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2516 [20:19:43] <dvs> yepla, well, that's your answer: 2.
2517 [20:19:46] <yepla> actually i have add this:
/dev/mapper/data--vg-storage /mnt/storage ext4 defaults 0 0
2518 [20:20:00] <greycat> ext4 is a file system type. This is a
file system. Use 2.
2519 [20:20:03] <sorko999> you want a 2 there
2520 [20:20:12] <yepla> ok so i will set 2
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2523 [20:20:44] <yepla> i don t know if it s because i have set 0
2524 [20:20:49] <yepla> and reboot
2525 [20:20:59] <greycat> 0 means it isn't being checked at
boot time, which could be bad in the long run
2526 [20:21:07] <yepla> but it created a folder lost+found
2527 [20:21:13] <greycat> that's normal
2528 [20:21:28] <yepla> ok
2529 [20:22:26] <yepla> so i will set 2
2530 [20:22:32] <yepla> other little question
2531 [20:22:37] <yepla> i have set defaults in fstab
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2533 [20:23:01] <yepla> only root can write on it ?
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2536 [20:23:22] <greycat> that's controlled by ownerships and
permissions within the mounted file system, not fstab options
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2539 [20:24:23] <yepla> so if i want user write in it i must chmod
777 /mnt/storage ?
2540 [20:24:28] <greycat> !777
2541 [20:24:28] <dpkg> 777 is the mode corresponding to -rwxrwxrwx
and is NEVER the right answer to your permission
"problems". Anyone on your box (whether welcome or not)
can do anything they want with those directories and files. It is
VERY WRONG... learn how to use the permissions properly instead of
leaving a gaping security hole to make something work in a hurry.
Ask me about <user private groups>, <permissions>,
<ftp must die>.
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2543 [20:24:55] <independent> chmod +rwx file
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2545 [20:25:25] <EdePopede> yepla: are you the only user?
2546 [20:25:39] <yepla> ??? actually when i try to write something
in /mnt/storage with user i have permission problem
2547 [20:25:40] <greycat> The *simplest* answer would be to chown
(change owner) the /mnt/storage directory to your user account, but
leave the permissions alone (755 rwxr-wr-x)
2548 [20:26:10] <greycat> If you have more than one user account
that needs access, then we can discuss more complicated answers.
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2550 [20:26:41] <greycat> damn, I screwed up that first sentence.
755 rwxr-xr-x
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2552 [20:27:03] <greycat> that's how most directories should
be set, unless there is a specific reason to change them
2553 [20:27:26] * dvs gasps at greycat
2554 [20:27:29] <yepla> ok i have create storage in /mnt with root
in 755
2555 [20:27:39] <greycat> that's AFTER it's mounted,
right?
2556 [20:28:00] <yepla> pardon ?
2557 [20:28:00] <greycat> (or both, before AND after, would also
be good at this point)
2558 [20:28:12] <greycat> is /mnt/storage mounted right now, or
not?
2559 [20:28:17] <yepla> yes
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2561 [20:28:32] <greycat> OK, then chown youruser /mnt/storage
2562 [20:28:44] <yepla> i have first create with root /mnt/storage
then mount it
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2565 [20:29:46] <yepla> ok so in fact if i chown youruser
/mnt/storage before mounting hard drive it will be not validated ?
2566 [20:30:10] <yepla> i must first mount the chown to be ok ?
2567 [20:30:12] <greycat> the mounted file system's stuff
will overwrite it
2568 [20:30:21] <greycat> overlay is perhaps a better word
2569 [20:30:25] <yepla> i must first mount then chown to be ok ?
2570 [20:30:28] <jerry> yepla /mnt/storage will be empty until you
mount something there
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2572 [20:30:50] <yepla> jerry: yes i know
2573 [20:31:08] <jerry> so why chown an empty folder?
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2576 [20:32:48] <yepla> jerry: in my mind /mnt/storage was the
main folder mounted or not who have the priority
2577 [20:33:15] <yepla> but like say greycat when you mount it s
overlay
2578 [20:33:33] <yepla> and i wasn t know that
2579 [20:33:51] <jerry> yepla /mnt/storage is basically just a
place holder until you actually mount it with somwething then
you'd want chown if needed
2580 [20:34:08] <yepla> thanks guys for your time and your answer
2581 [20:34:13] <jerry> np
2582 [20:34:17] <yepla> now i must reboot ;)
2583 [20:34:29] <yepla> see you later
2584 [20:34:42] <jerry> latz
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2598 [20:45:43] <DammitJim> do you guys know what I need to do to
make the slim login manager use the whole screen instead of just a
box?
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2629 [21:15:01] <amed> hi, i have problems to transfer data from
mi xiaomi mi a1 to mi laptop with debian 9.9, somebody?
2630 [21:15:13] <amed> problems with usb
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2632 [21:16:07] <Lady_Aleena> Hello again. The dist-upgrade did
not work after the upgrade. Here is what I got back when trying to
run dist-upgrade:
replaced-url
2633 [21:16:09] <annadane> amed, describe your problems a bit more
thoroughly and someone will answer
2634 [21:16:40] <avalchev> amed, check /var/log for some messages
2635 [21:16:50] <greycat> 1.0.1-1+deb8u1 is a jessie-backports
package
2636 [21:17:41] <Lady_Aleena> So it did not upgrade with
everything else.
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2638 [21:17:46] <amed> annadane: ok, it is the problem:When I
connect my cell phone to the computer via USB, I can not transfer
data; I have Debian 9.9
2639 [21:17:51] <greycat> what happens if you try to install
rdnssd?
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2642 [21:19:06] <Lady_Aleena>
replaced-url
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2645 [21:20:13] <greycat> you *really* got into these backports,
didn't you
2646 [21:20:23] <Lady_Aleena> I guess so.
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2650 [21:20:49] <greycat> I don't know nvidia stuff.
2651 [21:21:09] <annadane> amed, okay... any error messages?
anything?
2652 [21:21:15] <annadane> how did you try to transfer?
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2655 [21:22:26] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, so am I screwed?
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2659 [21:22:55] <avalchev> nvidia is a mess :)
2660 [21:22:56] <amed> annadane: nothing, on my cell phone: the
"use usb for the following" options are not enabled
2661 [21:23:08] <greycat> Hopefully someone who knows this nvidia
stuff will answer, but you want to install whatever libgl* packages
are needed.
2662 [21:23:19] <avalchev> On fresh testing install, I can't
get nvidia driver working.
2663 [21:23:33] <amed> annadane: just charge the current
2664 [21:23:52] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, so just install all the
stuff that it says isn't going to be installed?
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2667 [21:24:09] <avalchev> amed, did you check USB settings on
your phone
2668 [21:24:25] <avalchev> try change them to PTP or something...
2669 [21:24:59] <amed> avalchev: in the cellphone i can't
change options
2670 [21:25:14] <avalchev> You can :)
2671 [21:25:36] <amed> avalchev: i can't this options
aren't enable
2672 [21:25:39] <Lady_Aleena> Dammit! It is a maze of packages
that aren't going to be installed!
2673 [21:26:04] <avalchev> amed, try search for "android usb
connection"
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2675 [21:26:28] <jhutchins_wk> Where is ld.so on stretch?
2676 [21:26:45] <amed> avalchev: yes, but I can not install the
mtpfs package
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2678 [21:27:20] <avalchev> amed, my point is that your phone is
configure to "charging only", not as connectable device
2679 [21:27:26] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25
Feb 6 16:17 /lib/ld-linux.so.2 -> i386-linux-gnu/ld-2.24.so
2680 [21:27:51] * annadane wants to suggest to just switch to nouveau,
purge the nvidia packages, do the upgrade, install nvidia later...
2681 [21:27:55] <annadane> but that may or may not be wise
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2683 [21:28:37] <jhutchins_wk> ls: cannot access
'/lib/ld*': No such file or directory
2684 [21:29:07] <Lady_Aleena> So it looks like I am going to have
to put the disk in that I made and do a fresh install, wiping out
everything because I had to use a driver that is a little bit off.
2685 [21:29:21] <amed> avalchev: the phone does not allow me to
change the connection options with the pc, before (I reinstalled the
operating system) when I was connecting the cell phone at that
moment I could change those options
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2688 [21:29:48] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: oh, wait, it's
different on pure amd64
2689 [21:29:53] <avalchev> amed, unplug your phone from USB, and
then try to change it
2690 [21:29:57] <jhutchins_wk> Ah.
2691 [21:30:01] <greycat> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 32 Feb 6 16:17
/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 -> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.24.so
2692 [21:30:23] <greycat> with the other one coexisting if i386
multi-arch is installed
2693 [21:30:39] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Thanks, didn't thin
of lib64.
2694 [21:30:49] <Lady_Aleena> 782 packages were kept back during
apt-get upgrade
2695 [21:31:13] <Lady_Aleena> And the following kills upgrade now:
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2697 [21:31:21] <greycat> you're not expected to get a huge
number during the "apt upgrade" part
2698 [21:31:26] <Lady_Aleena> N: Ignoring file
'50unattended-upgrades.ucf-old' in directory
'/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/' as it has an invalid filename
extension
2699 [21:31:44] <greycat> that sounds like a warning to me
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2701 [21:32:03] <Lady_Aleena> Do I delete the file?
2702 [21:32:36] <greycat> you could move it to /root or something
2703 [21:32:43] <greycat> I doubt it's going to make a
difference either way
2704 [21:33:05] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: mv it, then check for held
packages, fix those then try again
2705 [21:33:43] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: # dpkg --get-selections | grep
'hold$' .. will tell what's held
2706 [21:34:16] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: whats 'ucf' sounds
familiar?
2707 [21:34:28] <greycat> !ucf
2708 [21:34:28] <dpkg> ucf (Update Configuration File) is a
framework used by packages to allow intelligent merging of modified
configuration files with maintainer changes in postinst scripts. See
apt-cache show ucf; or /usr/share/doc/ucf/ for more information. See
also <ucf confmiss>.
2709 [21:34:52] <LtL> thanks greycat
2710 [21:35:30] <Lady_Aleena> How do I start fixing this:
replaced-url
2711 [21:36:34] <Lady_Aleena> sudo dpkg --get-selections | grep
'hold$' didn't return anything
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2717 [21:39:13] <Lady_Aleena> This kind of thing is why I am
terrified of upgrading.
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2719 [21:39:17] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: my guess is the
50unattended-upgrades business
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2721 [21:39:42] <greycat> you really think that wasn't just a
warning? even if that's the case, moving the file out of /etc/
should have worked.
2722 [21:40:08] <Lady_Aleena> I moved it out of /etc/, but those
packages are all not being installed.
2723 [21:40:22] <Lady_Aleena> I will try dist-upgrade again.
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2726 [21:40:59] <Lady_Aleena> Nope, rdnssd still stops
dist-upgrade.
2727 [21:41:16] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: is this a stretch-buster
dist-upgrade or jessie-stretch?
2728 [21:41:22] <greycat> so when I asked you, what happens when
you try to install it...?
2729 [21:41:26] <Lady_Aleena> jessie->stretch
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2731 [21:41:40] <greycat> how the hell did you have a 9u1 backport
on jessie?!
2732 [21:41:46] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, I pasted the results
earlier.
2733 [21:41:56] <greycat> err sorry, I meant bpo9+1
2734 [21:42:14] <greycat> libgl1 : Depends: libglx0 (=
1.1.0-1~bpo9+1) but it is not going to be installed
2735 [21:42:30] <greycat> there is nothing about rdnssd in that
second paste
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2737 [21:42:47] <chocolate> how can I know what process is from a
pid?
2738 [21:42:58] <greycat> ps -fp YOURPID
2739 [21:43:05] <Lady_Aleena> This was my OLD sources.list:
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2743 [21:44:36] <jmcnaught> 'systemctl status
<PID>' works too
2744 [21:44:44] <Lady_Aleena> When I try to install rdnssd:
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2747 [21:45:43] <greycat> you have a stretch-backported libgl
something on a nominally jessie box
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2749 [21:46:21] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, I did run apt-get upgrade
after apt-get update after changing my sources.list to stretch.
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2752 [21:46:56] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: dpkg -l | grep bpo
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2754 [21:47:33] <Lady_Aleena>
replaced-url
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2756 [21:48:10] <LtL> eek
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2758 [21:48:21] <greycat> that is a whole hell of a lot of
backports
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2760 [21:49:12] <greycat> and yes, you somehow managed to put
stretch-backports packages (bpo9) on a jessie box
2761 [21:49:32] <Lady_Aleena> I needed the backported version of
LibraOffice to get something to work in LO at one time. I remember
that.
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2763 [21:49:48] <greycat> err, wait, I'm mixing up deb9u*
with bpo9* again
2764 [21:49:51] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: i'm by far no expert but
i's do fresh install, that's a mess.
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2768 [21:52:18] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: I know you talked with
jelly a *lot* in the last week or two. Were you not advised, at some
point during that discussion, to remove all backported packages?
2769 [21:52:30] <Lady_Aleena> So shut down my computer after
putting in the Debian 9 with KDE disk in and install from that,
wiping out everything on the drive.
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2771 [21:53:08] <greycat> I'm not saying it needs a full
reinstall, necessarily, but you're going to have to straighten
out this nvidia mess.
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2773 [21:53:22] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, I don't think
backported packages came up, just packages not installed from
Debian.
2774 [21:53:34] <LtL> If one needs -that- many backports its time
to dist-upgrade a long time ago.
2775 [21:53:40] <greycat> And it will probably involve removing
your backports of ffmpeg, libreoffice, geany, and god knows what
else.
2776 [21:54:47] <greycat> And now I have a much more sympathetic
understanding of why aptitude wanted to nuke half your system.
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2784 [21:57:52] <nmschulte> I am unable to connect to two A2DP
bluetooth audio sinks at the same time. As well, after disconnecting
an A2DP audio sink and reconnecting it, Debian always chooses
HSP/HFP audio profile for the device. If I put the sink in pair mode
and choose to [re]connect, Debian chooses the A2DP profile.
2785 [21:57:52] <jhutchins_wk> I thought the dpkg system was
supposed to handle backports gracefully during an upgrade. I know
there have been issues with dmm packages not being correctly
versioned, but backports?
2786 [21:58:16] <nmschulte> I'm using blueman and pulseaudio
on Debian (Sid, but I've had this issue for years).
2787 [21:58:28] <greycat> she's got backports of about 50
packages, mostly in HUGE suites like libreoffice and geany
2788 [21:58:58] <greycat> me, I'd just purge 'em and
reinstall afterward
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2790 [21:59:18] <jhutchins_wk> Ah, I seen now, wrong release
backports.
2791 [21:59:18] <greycat> it's not like she needs libreoffice
during the dist-upgrade
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2794 [21:59:55] <dvs> I thought the backports repo was supposed to
be removed during a version upgrade.
2795 [22:00:06] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, make a list, remove 'em,
keep the list for future reference.
2796 [22:00:45] <LtL> dvs: it's suggested, but i got away
with it. probably depends on the bpo's
2797 [22:01:01] <Lady_Aleena> Wouldn't purging them remove
the configs in my $HOME dir?
2798 [22:01:04] <greycat> no
2799 [22:01:10] <greycat> it only removes /etc configs
2800 [22:01:24] <Lady_Aleena> Good thing I have /etc backed up
elsewhere just in case.
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2802 [22:02:04] <Lady_Aleena> So sudo apt-get purge libreoffice #
first?
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2804 [22:03:02] <somiaj> dvs: It shoudln't cause problems if
it isn't, all versions should be strictly less, ~bpo, than the
version one is upgrading too. Though backport packages upgrades are
not tested as much, so the backport package upgrades could have
issues.
2805 [22:03:18] <dvs> ok
2806 [22:03:43] <Lady_Aleena> Trying it.
2807 [22:04:14] <Lady_Aleena> Well that didn't remove
everything for libreoffice.
2808 [22:04:21] <Lady_Aleena> Might have made it worse now.
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2810 [22:04:41] <greycat> I would expect you have to name a bunch
of packages, not just one
2811 [22:04:53] <mutantturkey> is there a way to password protect
a private repository (using approx?)
2812 [22:05:03] <Lady_Aleena> I have to purge each thing on the
list individually?
2813 [22:05:10] <mutantturkey> i guess i'm routing it right
now with inetd, so maybe via inetd or like, nginx as a pass through
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2816 [22:06:07] <greycat> mutantturkey: it's not exactly what
you asked for, but you could run the web service only on localhost,
and allow/require an ssh tunnel to get to it
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2818 [22:06:16] <dvs> Why won't upgrade -t stretch work?
2819 [22:06:18] <mutantturkey> yeah.
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2821 [22:06:23] <mutantturkey> greycat: not a bad thought.
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2823 [22:06:45] <mutantturkey> at that point might as well just
hook it into the vpn
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2841 [22:09:30] <mutantturkey> idea here is to separate any
building systems from systems that use those packages.
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2845 [22:09:49] <mutantturkey> ie -> systems using our internal
package can connect to the builders but not the other way around
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2850 [22:10:21] <mutantturkey> i think nginx should work. thanks
greycat
2851 [22:10:43] <Lady_Aleena> What does the rc mean in the first
column of
replaced-url
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2857 [22:11:22] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, ii - installed, rc - not
installed but config remain.
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2860 [22:12:33] <Lady_Aleena> Can I use wildcards in apt-get
purge?
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2862 [22:12:45] <Lady_Aleena> So apt-get purge libreoffice*
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2864 [22:12:50] <deadrom> hi
2865 [22:12:54] <deadrom> !backports
2866 [22:12:54] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian
branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency
and <ABI> complications.
replaced-url
2867 [22:13:10] <greycat> that wouldn't catch them all,
because you've things like ii ure 5.2.7-1+deb9u4~bpo8+1 amd64
LibreOffice UNO runtime environment
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2870 [22:13:24] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, but most right?
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2873 [22:14:07] <dvs> some of those aren't bpo packages.
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2943 [22:16:25] <Lady_Aleena> I'm down to
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2947 [22:16:55] <dvs> I only see seven backport packages.
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2949 [22:17:18] <Lady_Aleena> Which ones?
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2954 [22:17:45] <jelly> ,v libpolkit-agent-1-0
2955 [22:17:46] <judd> Package: libpolkit-agent-1-0 on amd64 --
jessie: 0.105-15~deb8u2; jessie-security: 0.105-15~deb8u4; stretch:
0.105-18+deb9u1; stretch-security: 0.105-18+deb9u1; buster:
0.105-25; sid: 0.105-25; experimental: 0.116-1
2956 [22:18:02] <dvs> geany libacodec57 libchromaprint1
libreoffice-kde libx265-87 uno-libs3 ure
2957 [22:18:03] <greycat> that matches bpo in the package name,
not the version
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2961 [22:18:12] <jelly> that one's not a backport, it's
straight from stretch
2962 [22:18:17] <greycat> liBPOlkit
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2964 [22:18:35] <Lady_Aleena> Have I been removing the wrong
things?
2965 [22:18:37] <greycat> she's in the middle of a
jessie->stretch so she has picked up a few stretch packages
already
2966 [22:18:42] <jelly> (which is typically not a problem for a
release upgrade)
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2972 [22:19:10] <mutantturkey> well, what do Debian and Ubuntu do,
they just server package lists via a folder and have the webserver
do the rest?
2973 [22:19:24] <mutantturkey> ah, wait i am totally
misunderstanding approx
2974 [22:19:43] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, Use "dpkg -l | grep
~bpo"
2975 [22:19:56] <mutantturkey> approx is the local mirror, got it.
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2977 [22:20:11] <Lady_Aleena>
replaced-url
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2981 [22:20:30] <dvs> still wrong
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2989 [22:20:53] <Lady_Aleena> What is still wrong?
2990 [22:21:08] <dvs> It still lists more than the backported
packages
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2996 [22:21:54] <greycat> Did you fix the nvidia / libgl* stuff
yet? That was the REAL issue all along.
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3000 [22:22:14] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, I got sidetracked on this
bpo stuff.
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3002 [22:22:49] <Lady_Aleena> Oh, missed the tilde.
3003 [22:23:17] <Lady_Aleena> dvs, better?
replaced-url
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3005 [22:23:29] <dvs> That's better
3006 [22:23:54] <jhutchins_wk> mutantturkey: The repos also have
some metadata for the packages.
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3012 [22:26:10] <Lady_Aleena> Have anything changed in host
/etc/hosts, /etc/sudoers, and /etc/apache2 file are configured
between jessie and stretch?
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3014 [22:26:22] <Lady_Aleena> s/in host/in how/
3015 [22:26:34] <n_blownapart> Hi I have debian 9 on a 32bit
machine. When in a cafe, I cannot connect to wifi. Whether there is
a password or not, my wifi icon is on, in the wifi settings the
signal says good, but I cannot get a password dialog or a
browser-based protocol. i.e. in Peet's coffee shop,
there's no password, but a dialog page normally says "sign
in as guest" what-have-you.
3016 [22:26:42] <ksk> Lady_Aleena: read the release notes? I would
expect changes in apache2...
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3018 [22:27:01] <greycat> no major changes in apache2 for stretch
3019 [22:27:12] <greycat> wheezy->jessie was the big killer for
apache2
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3021 [22:27:18] <n_blownapart> that dialog page being
browser-based*
3022 [22:28:00] <jhutchins_wk> dpkg: tell mutantturkey about local
mirror
3023 [22:28:10] <Lady_Aleena> Give me a minute, I just started
crying.
3024 [22:28:17] <jhutchins_wk> dpkg: tell mutantturkey about local
repository
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3028 [22:29:07] <jhutchins_wk> Lady_Aleena: No, that's very
standard across many years a most distros.
3029 [22:30:08] <jhutchins_wk> n_blownapart: They don't have
it set up correctly.
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3038 [22:34:13] <Lady_Aleena> I need to go afk for a moment.
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3041 [22:34:42] <maxm3232> hey guys, I would appreciate if anyone
here can help me out. I had Debian wheezy on one of our servers and
I upgraded to it Jessie because i figured there is no support out
there anymore for Wheezy and I couldn't get sources.list to
work when I use apt-get update. I upgraded to Jessie and used a
sources.list I found online and still, apt-get update doesn't
work. Is Jessie outdated too?
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3043 [22:35:16] <Habbie> maxm3232, show us the sources.list please
3044 [22:35:30] <maxm3232> deb
replaced-url
3045 [22:35:31] <maxm3232> deb-src
replaced-url
3046 [22:35:31] <maxm3232> deb
replaced-url
3047 [22:35:31] <maxm3232> deb-src
replaced-url
3048 [22:35:31] <maxm3232> deb
replaced-url
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3051 [22:35:43] <Habbie> and how is apt-get update failing? please
use a pastebin
3052 [22:35:51] <greycat> wait til he gets back...
3053 [22:35:56] <Habbie> oh haha
3054 [22:36:14] <dvs> Habbie, troublemaker! ;-P
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3059 [22:38:48] <LtL> maxm3232: deb
replaced-url
3060 [22:38:59] <greycat> !jessie sources.list
3061 [22:39:00] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian
8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb
replaced-url
3062 [22:39:06] <maxm3232> Thats my sources.list:
replaced-url
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3064 [22:39:22] <maxm3232> ok i try that, thanks
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3070 [22:41:46] <maxm3232> !wheezy sources.list
3071 [22:41:47] <dpkg> Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A
suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb
replaced-url
3072 [22:42:08] <maxm3232> and with that line I get everything I
need for wheezy?
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3074 [22:43:48] <maxm3232> I get this error message if I try it
(with eheezy on another server):
replaced-url
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3076 [22:44:36] <LtL> maxm3232: deb
replaced-url
3077 [22:44:50] <dvs> dpkg just said that
3078 [22:44:50] <dpkg> wish i knew, dvs
3079 [22:44:57] <dvs> grrrr
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3081 [22:45:19] <LtL> dvs: indeed but maxm3232 didn't read
it.
3082 [22:45:34] <jhutchins_wk> I thought jessie had moved to
archive?
3083 [22:45:43] <maxm3232> I read it but I didn't quite
understand it, thanks
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3087 [22:46:12] <greycat> jessie isn't archived yet, but its
backports are
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3094 [22:48:39] <maxm3232> I still get this error message after I
type apt-get update:
replaced-url
3095 [22:48:47] <jhutchins_wk> Is there a factoid about creating
your own local mirror?
3096 [22:48:48] <maxm3232> my sources.list looks like this now:
replaced-url
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3099 [22:49:34] <maxm3232> I guess he tries to access
wheezy-backports but it's not in sources.list, but I
didn't find it in the archive either
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3101 [22:49:44] <dvs> maxm3232, why do you have two lines that are
almost identical. You only need the second line
3102 [22:50:03] <jmcnaught> maxm3232: look in
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/ for additional .list files
3103 [22:50:16] <dvs> maxm3232, also, you probably have files in
the /etc/apt/sources.list.d directory
3104 [22:51:12] <maxm3232> should I delete the lines in
wheezy-backports.list?
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3106 [22:51:19] <maxm3232> no risk he won't download
something I will need?
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3108 [22:51:27] <Lady_Aleena> How soon will Buster be the new
stable?
3109 [22:51:34] <jmcnaught> maxm3232: also just in case it
wasn't clear, you won't get any new updates for wheezy at
all security or otherwise. The archive is read-only.
3110 [22:51:46] <maxm3232> ah I see
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3112 [22:52:02] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, I give it two months at most.
3113 [22:52:09] <dvs> But who knows?
3114 [22:52:10] <Lady_Aleena> I am thinking that if I end having
to nuke my system, I might as well get ahead a little this time
instead of being behind.
3115 [22:52:12] <crestfallen> jhutchins: sorry I was disconnected.
now I can't connect even to a network that is stored ..
something is up. any suggestions appreciated
3116 [22:52:34] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, Nuke? Why? What isn't
working?
3117 [22:52:36] <EdePopede> uh, down to 102 releas-critical bugs.
were 116, and 106 yesterday
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3119 [22:53:14] <Lady_Aleena> dvs, I am now so confused by all the
problems that are stacking up, I don't know what is what now.
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3121 [22:53:31] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: what does "apt-get
dist-upgrade" do now?
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3123 [22:54:05] <Lady_Aleena>
replaced-url
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3125 [22:54:54] <Lady_Aleena> And trying to install rdnssd:
replaced-url
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3129 [22:56:08] <crestfallen> correction jhutchins. I am connected
to my wifi at uc berkeley. I'm chatting from another machine
since now it seems my hexchat is malfunctioning after my initial
successful send earlier.
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3132 [22:57:46] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, so what does apt-cache policy
rdnssd say?
3133 [22:58:04] <Lady_Aleena> And sudo apt-get upgrade:
replaced-url
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3136 [22:58:57] <greycat> just pick one of the packages that it
can't upgrade, focus on it, figure out what it wants, fix it,
and repeat
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3138 [22:58:57] <Lady_Aleena> apt-cache policy rdnssd:
replaced-url
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3143 [23:00:51] <greycat> I am still stumped by libgl1 : Depends:
libglx0 (= 1.1.0-1~bpo9+1)
3144 [23:01:03] <crestfallen> any suggestions for a chat client
aside from hexchat? I'm having troubles after reinstalling
hexchat
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3146 [23:01:16] <greycat> irssi and weechat are very popular
3147 [23:01:21] <dvs> so systemd needs a version less than
1.0.1-5? Why is systemd asking for that?
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3151 [23:01:54] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, and you did an apt-get update?
3152 [23:02:44] <maxm3232> Can I ask questions here about apache2
on my debian server? Or is this the wrong channel?
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3154 [23:02:53] <greycat> This is the right channel.
3155 [23:03:17] <jmcnaught> ,v libglx0
3156 [23:03:18] <judd> Package: libglx0 on amd64 --
stretch-backports: 1.1.0-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.1.0-1; sid: 1.1.0-1
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3159 [23:04:12] <greycat> ,v libgl1
3160 [23:04:13] <judd> Package: libgl1 on amd64 --
stretch-backports: 1.1.0-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.1.0-1; sid: 1.1.0-1
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3162 [23:04:18] <Lady_Aleena> dvs, yes I linked the resuls above.
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3165 [23:04:25] <greycat> see, I have no idea what libgl1 and
libglx0 are
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3167 [23:04:34] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, which paste?
3168 [23:04:46] <Lady_Aleena> And sudo apt-get upgrade:
replaced-url
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3171 [23:05:20] <Lady_Aleena> That is after an apt-get update...
(Did you want the update or the upgrade?)
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3174 [23:05:34] <dvs> update
3175 [23:06:13] <Lady_Aleena> dvs, that went fine, no errors.
3176 [23:06:52] <jmcnaught> maybe comment out stretch-backports in
sources.list, apt-get update again, then try apt-get dist-upgrade
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3178 [23:07:44] <maxm3232> Alright, I upgraded wheezy to jessie
yesterday, and I spent a lot of time in troubleshooting so that the
apache2 service runs again. It works, it runs, but all my websites
are not working, I get a 503 error message on the sites
3179 [23:08:03] <greycat> check the error.log first
3180 [23:08:16] <dvs> Oh? stretch-backports is in the sources.list
still? comment that out for now.
3181 [23:08:18] <Tom-_> Lady_Aleena, please do not be alarmed,
this is not as bad as it looks, i promise we can fix this
3182 [23:08:35] <Tom-_> i'm good at sorting out apt
nightmares anyway
3183 [23:08:37] <Lady_Aleena> Still getting 712 packages not
installed.
3184 [23:08:44] <greycat> you should definitely *not* have
stretch-backports active during a jessie->stretch upgrade
3185 [23:08:59] <jmcnaught> Oh I see, in stretch libgl1 is a
virtual package provided by libgl1-mesa-glx
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3187 [23:09:01] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, comment out stretch-backports
in the sources.list
3188 [23:09:16] <Tom-_> Lady_Aleena, after commenting out, and
saving it, run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
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3190 [23:09:32] <Lady_Aleena> I did comment out stretch backports
before running an update and upgrade again.
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3192 [23:10:03] <jmcnaught> what does dist-upgrade do now,
anything different?
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3194 [23:10:31] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, the same as before, the
rdnssd problem persists.
3195 [23:10:38] <Tom-_> Lady_Aleena, is this the output here?
replaced-url
3196 [23:10:44] <maxm3232> I checked the errorlog, wasnt very
useful to me, Ill post it here
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3198 [23:11:00] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: what does "apt-cache
policy libgl1-mesa-glx" say?
3199 [23:11:00] <crestfallen> thanks greycat I've tried irssi
before. rather complicated but I'm giving it anudder shot
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3201 [23:11:08] <Lady_Aleena> Hold please!
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3205 [23:11:47] <Lady_Aleena> I am now getting somewhere with
installing rdnssd, but before I do that, I would like to show you
what came up.
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3209 [23:12:48] <Lady_Aleena> This is what came up now when I try
to install rdnssd:
replaced-url
3210 [23:13:22] <Tom-_> why does it say suag there?
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3212 [23:13:46] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, Well, that's progress
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3217 [23:14:32] <Tom-_> it's trying to switch to
sysvinit-core
3218 [23:14:45] <Tom-_> it looks like the main conflict is
systemd-sysv vs sysvinit-core
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3221 [23:15:20] <dvs> Oh? kill systemd-sysv :->
3222 [23:15:20] <jmcnaught> it wants to remove apache2 and KDE as
well… wth is going on here?
3223 [23:15:29] <jcb2016> wow look at all those packages and stuff
needed to be removed
3224 [23:15:41] <jcb2016> Lady_Aleena, when is the last time you
update this system?
3225 [23:16:28] <jmcnaught> jcb2016: this is in the middle of a
jessie→stretch upgrade that ran into some hiccups
3226 [23:16:36] <jcb2016> aw
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3230 [23:17:36] <maxm3232> thats my error log for apache2:
replaced-url
3231 [23:17:52] <Lady_Aleena> Tom-_, suag is my alias for sudo
apt-get install (getting suag/swag).
3232 [23:17:56] <maxm3232> I already googled the messages but most
people say that's just warnings I can ignore
3233 [23:18:21] <tds> maxm3232: the useful part of those lines
appears to be cut off
3234 [23:18:23] <jmcnaught> maxm3232: those error log lines all
look truncated
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3236 [23:18:33] <maxm3232> oh, im so sorry
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3238 [23:18:57] <Tom-_> Lady_Aleena, okay, i just wanted to make
sure. have you tried anything since or should we try to help you
where you are?
3239 [23:18:57] <greycat> they all appear to have AH00094 which
I'm guessing can be googled but I haven't yet
3240 [23:18:58] <Lady_Aleena> jcb2016, I updated it almost every
time I thought about upgrading to stretch.
3241 [23:19:22] <jcb2016> got it
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3243 [23:19:52] <Lady_Aleena> So, do I just nuke at this point or
continue trying to dist-upgrade?
3244 [23:19:59] <Tom-_> definitely don't nuke it
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3247 [23:20:12] <Tom-_> i (and others) can help you debug this
3248 [23:20:21] <Tom-_> i'm trying to find out if you need
rdnssd
3249 [23:20:39] <Lady_Aleena> Tom-_, there is so much to debug,
and I've already taken up several hours of their time already.
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3252 [23:20:54] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, apt-get upgrade shows that
it's willing to upgrade packages.
3253 [23:20:58] <Tom-_> please continue to take up my time, i need
to know what is going on
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3255 [23:21:48] <Tom-_> Lady_Aleena, out of curiosity, can you
paste the output of apt-get remove rdnssd , but say no, to
paste.debian.net?
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3257 [23:21:51] <Lady_Aleena> I aborted the rdnssd install since
it looks like it wants to remove everything.
3258 [23:22:00] <maxm3232> thats my error log for apache2:
replaced-url
3259 [23:22:01] <jmcnaught> good call
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3261 [23:22:28] <Tom-_> it looks like a package conflict to do
with a package systemd depends on
3262 [23:22:30] <maxm3232> but I guess it's useless
3263 [23:22:35] <crestfallen> so if I have internet but both
clients hexchat and irssi are "Not connected to server"
after the irssi " /SERVER /ADD -auto -network Freenode
irc.freenode.net " command , what does that tell me ?
3264 [23:22:35] <jmcnaught> maxm3232: do you have apache
configured with virtualhosts that each have their own error logs?
3265 [23:22:47] <Tom-_> i've been trying to install things
without systemd so i get the feeling it is like this
3266 [23:23:04] <maxm3232> to be honest, I have no idea
3267 [23:23:18] <Lady_Aleena> apt-get remove rdnssd:
replaced-url
3268 [23:23:45] <Tom-_> okay, maybe just remove rdnssd and try
dist-upgrade again
3269 [23:24:23] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: i'd do it, then
update/upgrade dist-upgrade
3270 [23:24:24] <dvs> no, just upgraee
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3273 [23:25:07] <crestfallen> the irssi instructions say to
/CONNECT Freenode and /JOIN #irssi before "/SERVER ADD -auto
-network Freenode irc.freenode.net" Is that correct?
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3275 [23:25:33] <Habbie> crestfallen, that looks backwards to me
3276 [23:25:36] <crestfallen> something's up, since hexchat
suddenly stopped working as well. but I have internet
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3279 [23:25:47] <maxm3232> I need to check on /sites-available if
there is a conf, and then I know if apache is configured with
virtualhosts that each have their own errorlog?
3280 [23:25:50] <crestfallen> :/
3281 [23:26:02] <humpled> but how are you here?
3282 [23:26:09] <Tom-_> dvs, but upgrade as she is now removes
most of the system she needs
3283 [23:26:09] <LtL> crestfallen: irssi.org will explain all that
you need for freenode among others
3284 [23:26:10] <crestfallen> different machine
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3287 [23:26:42] <humpled> same LAN?
3288 [23:26:58] <jmcnaught> maxm3232: the Debian way to configure
Apache is to make separate files in /etc/apache2/sites-available
each with a VirtualHost defined, and then use the a2ensite command
to enable the site (which symlinks to ../sites-enabled)
3289 [23:27:18] <crestfallen> LtL bloody complicate
3290 [23:27:19] <crestfallen> d
3291 [23:27:26] <Tom-_> rdnssd autoconfigures recursive DNS
servers on IPv6 networks <-- i don't think she needs this
package at the moment, certainly nothing is depending on it
3292 [23:27:30] <jmcnaught> maxm3232: but users of course are free
to just put all of their VirtualHost definitions into
/etc/apache2/apache2.conf
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3294 [23:27:40] <maxm3232> yeah I think I have, let me check
3295 [23:27:44] <LtL> crestfallen: irssi.org will make it easy,
trust me.
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3298 [23:27:52] <maxm3232> so I just need to check the error logs
from the virtual hosts now?
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3301 [23:28:05] <Lady_Aleena> I still have 688 packages that are
being kept back in apt-get upgrade.
3302 [23:28:18] <Tom-_> can you show us the output of
dist-upgrade?
3303 [23:28:18] <tds> jmcnaught: `apache2ctl -S` will quickly get
you a full list of virtualhosts and where their configs are
3304 [23:28:25] <Lady_Aleena> The only thing it is upgrapding is
tzdata.
3305 [23:28:27] <bs0d> Hi all. I was surprised to see that bison
version in apt is 3.0, while the current one is 3.4. Could anyone
please confirm that it is indeed 3.0, and it is not the case that my
system is outdated?
3306 [23:28:28] <maxm3232> jmcaught:
replaced-url
3307 [23:28:36] <maxm3232> where would I have to search for the
error log?
3308 [23:28:46] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: try a apt-get full-upgrade
3309 [23:29:01] <tds> probably /var/log/apache2/sendyerrorlogs.log
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3312 [23:29:12] <crestfallen> LtL thanks but I think
something's wrong because my initial query was successful with
hexchat, then it suddenly disconnected. I removed it and installed
irssi and now I can't connect
3313 [23:29:15] <Lady_Aleena> LtL, "full-upgrade" or
"dist-upgrade"?
3314 [23:29:39] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: use full-upgrade first
3315 [23:29:54] <Lady_Aleena> Invalid operation
3316 [23:30:02] <LtL> get those packages in a up-gradeable state.
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3318 [23:30:53] <Tom-_> it says invalid operation when you say
apt-get full-upgrade ?
3319 [23:30:58] <Lady_Aleena> Here is the latest result of
dist-upgrade:
replaced-url
3320 [23:31:24] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: nwevermind, it'd be apt
full-upgrade but its synonymous with dist-upgrade i believe
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3322 [23:31:35] <Tom-_> Lady_Aleena, i think that output is
exactly what you want
3323 [23:31:41] <Lady_Aleena> HOld on. Let me say now and close
chromium.
3324 [23:32:13] <Lady_Aleena> It looks like it doesn't want
to upgrade chromium.
3325 [23:32:13] <crestfallen> also LtL while in a cafe, I cannot
cannot to wifi. this is also a new problem. so I think something in
my debian9 is amiss
3326 [23:32:24] <Tom-_> yeah i would just try upgrading chromium
later
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3328 [23:32:41] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: methinks Tom-_ is right go with
that last paste.
3329 [23:32:41] <Lady_Aleena> Should I say y(es) now?
3330 [23:32:47] <LtL> y
3331 [23:33:00] <Tom-_> so after this dist-upgrade is done you may
need to install: task-kde-desktop vlc-plugin-pulse chromium geany
3332 [23:33:06] * Lady_Aleena twiddles a pen.
3333 [23:33:07] <Tom-_> yes it's perfect go
3334 [23:33:23] <Tom-_> just some old libraries are being removed
3335 [23:33:35] <Tom-_> mostly
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3337 [23:33:49] <Lady_Aleena> You have no idea how much I will
have to reinstall. I have to get geany, libreoffice, and other
things. I just hope cpan still works as expected.
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3339 [23:34:15] <Tom-_> i would make a to-install list in a file
or on paper, please include everything you and I have just listed
3340 [23:34:16] <Lady_Aleena> If I don't have music, you WILL
be hearing from me.
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3342 [23:34:53] <crestfallen> I'm getting "Irssi:
warning SSL handshake failed: Connection timed out " LtL
3343 [23:34:59] <LtL> crestfallen: run # systemctl restart
networking.service
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3345 [23:35:14] <crestfallen> sweet thanks
3346 [23:35:24] <Tom-_> i think you don't need to reinstall
the vlc-plugin-pulse, i assume it's built in to the package now
what with the popularity of pulseaudio
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3349 [23:35:37] <maxm3232> There is sendyerrorlogs.log.1 and
sendyerrorlogs.log, sendyerrorslogs.log is empty, and in .1 I found
this:
replaced-url
3350 [23:35:42] <Lady_Aleena> It is still getting things.
3351 [23:35:54] <Tom-_> and also i notice this problem seems to
have something to do with systemd or init compatibility because when
we remove rdnssd it stopped trying to install sysvinnit-core
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3355 [23:36:36] <Tom-_> Lady_Aleena, yep, this may take a while. i
think everything should be fine, and even if it's not perfect
it'll be 50 times easier to fix than to reinstall
3356 [23:36:45] <maxm3232> Not sure it's the correct error
log, I restarted apache2 a lot the last days, not only on June 1
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3358 [23:37:16] <spectie> hey all
3359 [23:37:26] <maxm3232> I didn't even upgrade the server
on that day, forget it, it must be the wrong file
3360 [23:37:28] <spectie> is there a way to add targets for rust
with the rust debian packages without using rustup ?
3361 [23:37:31] <tds> maxm3232: none of those shows 503s
3362 [23:37:43] <crestfallen> LtL very sorry same problem
3363 [23:37:46] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: it's bound to be busy
awhile, i think you're on the right track tho'
3364 [23:38:13] <maxm3232> sorry I search the correct log
3365 [23:38:15] <LtL> crestfallen: 'ip a' shows your
wifi UP?
3366 [23:38:16] <spectie> or is there a specific rust on debian
channel i can ask in ?
3367 [23:38:36] <tds> maxm3232: I noticed that apache wasn't
listening on the standard port in the vhost you posted - are you
testing this connecting directly to apache? might you be connecting
to a reverse proxy sitting in front of apache generating a 503
because apache itself is down?
3368 [23:38:44] <bs0d>
replaced-url
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3370 [23:39:02] <Tom-_> spectie, there is a #debian-rust and other
rust channels on OFTC, and some on freenode
3371 [23:39:16] <tds> bs0d: wait for buster :)
3372 [23:39:32] <Lady_Aleena> EVERYONE! Thank you for hanging in
there while I have been working this. (I would ping everyone
involved, but the list of usernames may get me banned from
freenode.)
3373 [23:39:45] <bs0d> tds buster?
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3375 [23:39:51] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: success?
3376 [23:39:54] <crestfallen> weirdest message ever from ip a .
but craigslist works!
3377 [23:39:57] <crestfallen> LtL
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3379 [23:40:08] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, money is fine! ;-)
3380 [23:40:09] <Tom-_> it's useful infoirmation to me.
i'm not a debian developer (or even a primary user) but i do
want to see Linux help everyone
3381 [23:40:22] <Lady_Aleena> And I hope that I have not worn out
my welcome here. I will let everyone know what happened, one way or
another, after the dist-upgrade completes and I reboot.
3382 [23:40:36] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, see? it was just a few trouble
packages.
3383 [23:40:38] <Tom-_> i'd reinstall everything on your
reintall list before you reboot
3384 [23:40:40] <tds> bs0d: the current testing distro, but due to
be stable soonish maybe
3385 [23:40:59] <dvs> Tom-_, good point
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3387 [23:41:03] <LtL> crestfallen: do not paste here, use a
pastebin. i have to go for a bit anyway.
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3389 [23:41:15] <maxm3232> tds, to be quite honest, I don't
know, I never had someting to do with apache2, I was just asked to
fix this. It worked for more than a year and then after it got
upgraded to Jessie it didn't owrk anymore
3390 [23:41:37] <crestfallen> LtL ok I'll paste it thanks
3391 [23:41:44] <Lady_Aleena> ,v libreoffice
3392 [23:41:45] <judd> Package: libreoffice on amd64 -- jessie:
1:4.3.3-2+deb8u11; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u12;
stretch-security: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u5; stretch: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u7;
stretch-backports: 1:6.1.5-3~bpo9+1; buster: 1:6.1.5-3; sid:
1:6.1.5-3; experimental: 1:6.3.0~beta1-2
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3394 [23:42:05] <tds> maxm3232: can you pastebin the output of
`apache2ctl -S`?
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3396 [23:42:26] <Lady_Aleena> I can msg dpkg to not bother the
channel but not judd?
3397 [23:42:36] <maxm3232> tds:
replaced-url
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3399 [23:43:07] <tds> maxm3232: there's a bunch of vhosts
there, which one is actually broken? or all of them?
3400 [23:43:14] <Lady_Aleena> Be back in a few minutes.
3401 [23:44:09] <maxm3232> How can I check that?
3402 [23:44:24] <tds> how are you testing this in the first place
to get a 503?
3403 [23:44:36] <maxm3232> I'm trying to reach the site
3404 [23:45:05] <maxm3232> should I just post the site address
here?
3405 [23:45:07] <tds> what is "the site"? there are at
least 8 sites configured on that server!
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3407 [23:46:20] <maxm3232> Well a lot of sites run on the server,
these one:
replaced-url
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3410 [23:46:37] <crestfallen> LtL paste.ee/p/9sG$K
3411 [23:47:06] <crestfallen> correction LtL paste.ee/p/9sG4K
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3420 [23:49:41] <tds> maxm3232: I'd expect that to be hitting
the vhost on line 2 of 000-default.conf, so check that config, see
where the error log is for that vhost
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3422 [23:50:23] <crestfallen> or anyone who'd like to look
paste.ee/p/9sG4K
3423 [23:50:34] <tds> maxm3232: something also doesn't seem
right there, since that webserver is happily talking https on port
443, while that's not included in the apache config
3424 [23:50:55] <crestfallen> [I have internet but my two irc
clients won't connect.]
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3427 [23:51:29] <Doti> <crestfallen> how u connecting right
now
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3429 [23:52:02] <Psi-Jack> I suspect... magic carpet. But
who's this "u" you speak to?
3430 [23:52:19] <crestfallen> I'm on a different machine
3431 [23:52:23] <crestfallen> Doti ^
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3433 [23:53:37] <crestfallen> it's strange
3434 [23:53:46] <Doti> crestfallen what it say when u try to
connect
3435 [23:53:51] <tds> maxm3232: that webserver also claims to be
running Apache/2.2.22 (Debian) - that sounds more like wheezy than
jessie, so maybe your upgrade didn't complete, or there's
another apache sitting in front of yours as a reverse proxy?
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3437 [23:53:56] <tds> (the second option seems likely to me)
3438 [23:54:05] <maxm3232> yes, that seems more likely
3439 [23:54:30] <crestfallen> Irssi: not connected to server Doti
3440 [23:54:34] <maxm3232> the error log is empty btw, there are a
bunch of gzs with error logs but they are all pretty old
3441 [23:54:35] <tds> i'd check to see if your webserver is
running at all then, just testing with curl on the host itself is
probably a good start
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3443 [23:55:03] <crestfallen> thanks a lot Doti I need to step
away.
3444 [23:55:12] *** Quits: Doti (~Natty@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3445 [23:55:21] *** Quits: dvs (~hibbard@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3446 [23:55:55] <maxm3232> tds: couldnt I just try to complete the
upgrade?
3447 [23:56:24] *** Quits: war9407 (war@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3448 [23:56:32] <tds> maxm3232: to start with, what version of
apache is this server actually running?
3449 [23:57:05] <maxm3232> Server version: Apache/2.4.10 (Debian)
3450 [23:57:36] *** Quits: jnavila (~jnavila@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
3451 [23:57:41] <tds> ok, so the server you were connecting to and
getting 503s from appears to be completely separate and on an older
version of apache
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3454 [23:58:47] <maxm3232> So I would have to upgrade the server
he tries to connect to too?
3455 [23:59:00] <tds> well you should, but that's not the
immediate issue
3456 [23:59:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1502
3457 [23:59:01] <maxm3232> or at least upgrade apache?
3458 [23:59:10] <tds> it'll be returning 503s because
it's failing to connect to the webserver you upgraded
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3460 [23:59:31] *** Quits: GhostInTheShell (~melkor@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
3461 [23:59:36] <tds> so actually test the box you're
connected to, and see what's going on, checking if apache is
even running would be a good start
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