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19[00:08:40] <tds> both iptables-nft and iptables-legacy are part of the iptables package - you just need to use update-alternatives to switch if you want to
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31[00:15:18] <dashs> Can dd be used to zero an entire disk (small ssd)?
32[00:15:52] <tradar> yes
33[00:16:40] <vvor> But not practical on SSD
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37[00:18:14] <dashs> vvor: and why?
38[00:20:13] <derpadmin> you never know if you whipe an ssd (correct me if I am wrong)
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42[00:21:11] <vvor> dashs: Why are you zeroing at the first place?
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46[00:22:47] <tradar> dashs: if you need it for privacy - possibly - it's first better to overwrite it with random data first, and then zero it. In a single go: shred -vzn1 /dev/ssx
47[00:23:59] <vvor> tradar: dashs: Not on SSDs! You only wear out the drive. the zeroed sector will return 0, but the data is likely still on the drive.
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50[00:26:14] <tradar> vvor: i think you misread my previous msg
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53[00:28:17] <cybercrypto> dashs: what is your goal, by zeroing an SSD disk?
54[00:33:50] <vvor> tradar: Mybe, but the point is you/he needs to find out what secure erase and or disk encryption the SSD supports. The dd/shred options should not be blindly used on SSD drives.
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73[00:57:41] <Deihmos> ubuntu
74[00:57:46] <Deihmos> error
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76[00:58:15] <dvs> yup
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126[01:52:36] <incal> hello, can I repartition the filesystem somehow after the install of Debian to make room for a second Linux distro or Debian instance? I didn't think of this when I installed the Debian I'm on now and I don't want to loose all the files and configurations I already did. but I do have a lot of disk space so I'd be happy to give some from the first instance so to speak
127[01:54:30] <incal> can parted set this up, then I just reboot with installation media and choose the set-up partitions for install?
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129[01:55:17] <sney> you shouldn't resize a partition that your OS is currently running from. but there are livecds that make the process pretty easy.
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131[01:55:48] <vvor> Boot with Clonezilla and resize
132[01:55:56] <cybercrypto> incal: do you have no space left on your disk, and you need to 'resize' partitions?
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134[01:56:03] <vvor> Make sure you have a backup
135[01:56:14] <sney> clonezilla is overkill when there's replaced-url
136[01:56:51] <incal> this computer doesn't have a CD, it works with USB?
137[01:56:59] <vvor> Yep
138[01:57:02] <ratrace> can be done from debian installation media too
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141[01:57:52] <incal> is a partition filled up lineary from 0 -> max or how does it know what parts to take for the new one?
142[01:58:43] <sney> yes, it's essentially linear. and filesystem utilities know how to shrink a volume without deleting anything you put on it, as long as there's enough space overall.
143[01:58:59] <incal> great, but you don't do this from the running OS?
144[01:59:07] <joepublic> and this usually* works, not problem (*important key word)
145[01:59:24] <sney> best not to modify filesystems that are online.
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148[02:00:08] <incal> OK, so get Debian installer USB, use it? what is it called? repartition?
149[02:00:22] <vvor> Resize
150[02:00:41] <incal> OK, great, then install on that one? done?
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154[02:02:36] <vvor> If you have any bootCD with parted or gparted or get clonezilla for a friendlier "GUI"
155[02:03:02] <vvor> & BACKUP!!!
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159[02:05:23] <incal> ratrace said the Debian installer can do this? I installed this sytem from a USB, actually I don't remember it at all but I must have since it doesn't have a CD/DVD...
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215[03:10:35] <cybercrypto> incal: You can see/view that option if you choose expert partitioning. Fire up the debian installer and check it out if you can find the option resize.
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245[03:44:44] <soft_concrete> Hi, are there any recent docs (for Debian 10) detailing how to enable the serial console?
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289[04:38:30] <dvs> hmmmm
290[04:38:35] <Tech_8> ?
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310[05:01:27] <neilthereildeil> hi i am tring to run an application on deban 8.11 but it says i dont have the right version od libstdc++
311[05:01:38] <neilthereildeil> FAHClient: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.21' not found (required by FAHClient)
312[05:01:55] <neilthereildeil> what package do i have to install?
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412[07:16:46] <incal> cyboman33: OK, thx
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415[07:19:28] <ghostnik11> hey i quick question i want to know if when you have two audio programs in charge if they can conflict because by default i have asla and want to used pauvcontrol (pulse audio) since when i try to change volume or audio output to other source it doesn't seem to work
416[07:20:06] <ghostnik11> i think its b/c its asla mixer
417[07:20:30] <ghostnik11> and when i try to run pulse audio control it just keeps saying establishing connection and doesn't work
418[07:27:31] <diogenes_> ghostnik11, try: mv ~/.config/pulse ~/.config/pulse.bak && mv ~/.config/pavucontrol.ini ~/.config/pavucontrol.ini.bak
419[07:28:01] <diogenes_> and re-log
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421[07:29:28] <ghostnik11> diogenes_, should i do a reboot or just re log in?
422[07:29:52] <diogenes_> no reboot.
423[07:30:32] <ghostnik11> diogenes_, okay cool i will reboot now
424[07:31:11] <diogenes_> lol i said no reboot required.
425[07:32:08] <ghostnik11> diogenes_, oh okay cool will log out now real quick and see
426[07:32:12] <diogenes_> just log out and back.
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428[07:34:49] <prov> ghostnik11 pulse runs as your user by default so you never need to reboot for pulse stuff
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434[07:38:06] <ghostnik11> diogenes_, nope still doesn't work. yeah i think its b/c alsa is controlling audio b/c my audio only works from headphones plugged into the jack on tablet/2 in 1 but i know when i boot up using other debian os like ubuntu it works and i can switch between audio coming from speakers or headphones or bluetooth headphones or hdmi
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436[07:40:57] <prov> Do you want to make pulse control everything?
437[07:41:28] <diogenes_> ghostnik11, make sure pavucontrol >configure > profile isanalos stereo duplex.
438[07:41:46] <ghostnik11> prov, yeah, and then see if that will allow me to be able to control where the audio is coming from like whether i want to play from speaker on tablet or headphones or etc
439[07:42:06] <ghostnik11> diogenes_, prov right now audio only comes from headphones
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442[07:43:29] <ghostnik11> diogenes_, yeah i think alsa is overpowering pauvcontrol
443[07:43:30] <prov> Have you changed any alsa settings because pulse should takeover when it's started
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445[07:44:15] <ghostnik11> prov, i have tried to go from the alsa gui (by the speaker icon) and it doesn't respond like when i increase the volume the volume doesn't increase
446[07:44:28] <prov> Or do you have anything playing to alsa and not pulse
447[07:44:35] <ghostnik11> actually in alsa it says headphone volume levels are 0 but i still get audio
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449[07:45:35] <ghostnik11> prov, right now i have nothing playing but when i select pulse audio volume control it just keeps saying establishing and i think its due to alsa being first
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452[07:47:17] <diogenes_> ghostnik11, do you use firefox for audio/video chat?
453[07:47:53] <diogenes_> what Debian version and DE?
454[07:48:05] <ghostnik11> diogenes_, well i am running antix and firefox is default browser but i don't video/audio chat via this 2 in 1 tablet
455[07:48:39] <diogenes_> antiX? dammit.
456[07:48:51] <ghostnik11> diogenes_, i am running antix 19.02 which runs on debian
457[07:49:12] <ghostnik11> diogenes_, i am wrong its debian, i use sudo? its not arch or redhat
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459[07:50:15] <diogenes_> that's what you should have started with, antiX is not Debian.
460[07:50:16] <Haohmaru> "antiX is a fast, lightweight and easy to install systemd-free linux live CD distribution based on Debian Stable"
461[07:50:21] <Haohmaru> so it's not debian then
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463[07:51:30] <ghostnik11> Haohmaru, oh, okay my fault. i thought b/c its based off debian that it was just a flavor of debian. okay sorry have a goodnight everyone
464[07:51:49] <diogenes_> antiX indeed uses alsa.
465[07:51:51] <Haohmaru> 784783478934 distributions are "based on debian"
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467[07:53:03] <prov> ghostnik11: in that case you might need to edit /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc
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469[07:53:56] <ghostnik11> prov, thing is i already tried something like that but i will go and do a copy and paste of it and see if it works b/c i have like 3 os in this one little 2 in 1
470[07:54:06] <ghostnik11> and it works in ubuntu
471[07:54:43] <prov> If antiX uses alsa by default it might have some settings to force it
472[07:54:45] <diogenes_> it works on Debian too.
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474[07:55:03] <ghostnik11> is it true that pulseaudio distorts sound and thats why alsa? is preferred b/c i read that some where?
475[07:55:06] <jusss> which version debian has python-django 1.11?
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477[07:55:51] <ghostnik11> diogenes_, i know debian for the win all the way, debian based everything is good
478[07:56:02] <Penix> jusss: packages.debian.org
479[07:56:04] <prov> Your solution might be to remove their config or make alsa use pulse sinks, etc.
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481[07:56:23] <diogenes_> ghostnik11, the only reason antiX uses alsa is because to take less memory.
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483[07:56:57] <ghostnik11> diogenes_, so pulseaudio doesn't distort audio then?
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485[07:57:25] <prov> jusss: replaced-url
486[07:58:18] <diogenes_> ghostnik11, of course pulseaudio doesn't distord anything.
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489[07:59:49] <ghostnik11> diogenes_, okay cool i will copy a new asound file like prov recommended and see if it works then
490[08:01:14] <prov> The easiest might be to just remove any alsa config ghostnik11
491[08:01:49] <jusss> prov: is there debian stretch for docker?
492[08:02:12] <ghostnik11> prov, nah what about the challenge plus i have confidence in your suggestion b/c i remember i did something like that for ubuntu when i was first experimenting with the 2 in 1 tablet
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502[08:07:15] <ghostnik11> Prov so i made the change in the asound.conf file my question now is can i just do a log out and come back in or should i restart the system to let the system know i have made changes to the asound.conf file
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525[08:21:21] <ghostnik11> prov okay so i made changes to asound.conf and it didn't stay after i reboot it so now i made the changes to var/lib/alsa/asound.state and will see if it changes and gives me access to selecting where sound comes from
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532[08:36:29] <jusss> how can I install mysql on debian 10?
533[08:36:37] <jusss> mysql-server is not in the repo
534[08:37:23] <ghostnik11> prov, so it still hasn't work and i will do like you suggested and just remove alsa and see if it works with just pulseaudio installed
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538[08:39:35] <zW> Goodmorning
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542[08:42:25] <mase-tech> hi
543[08:42:33] <luna_> hey
544[08:43:04] <mase-tech> I am looking for system backups
545[08:43:13] <mase-tech> to be honestest already some days
546[08:43:46] <mase-tech> timeshift is really that doing what I want
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548[08:44:26] <mase-tech> the problem wih that is only working on desktops because it needs somegtk3 packages
549[08:45:02] <prov> ghostnik11: you can't remove alsa, it's a kernel module
550[08:45:21] <prov> Unless you just meant remove the alsa config
551[08:45:23] <mase-tech> do debian offer some trustworth scripts for system back ups
552[08:45:54] <ghostnik11> prov, well now i am trying to see if i can get the pulseaudio volume indicator and see if i can change stuff from there b/c it won't come up
553[08:46:35] <prov> Which WM/DE
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555[08:47:50] <ghostnik11> prov, yeah the problem is the fact that pulse audio keeps saying establishing connection when i try to open its volume control. should i uninstall alsa mixer?
556[08:48:10] <ghostnik11> b/c i have another volume controler that comes by default prov
557[08:49:11] <ghostnik11> prov i have alsamixer v.1.1.8 and i think thats why its messing with the pulse volume control
558[08:51:28] <ghostnik11> prov, i will uninstall alsamixer from synaptic and see if that helps
559[08:51:58] <prov> It could be your volume control
560[08:52:16] <prov> Or alsamixer if that's running
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562[08:57:06] <ratrace> mase-tech: there's bacula, rsnapshot or you can whip up something yourself based on rsync. if you're up to using btrfs or zfs filesystems, they offer nice snapshot capabilities.
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564[08:57:39] <ghostnik11> prov i uninstalled alsa utils and alsamixer and will reboot and see what happens
565[08:57:54] <ghostnik11> or do you think i should just take out the alsamixer
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572[09:01:14] <jusss> I hate systemd!!!
573[09:01:29] <jusss> how I can start mysql service in docker?
574[09:01:51] <jusss> there's no /etc/init.d/mysql
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577[09:02:39] <jusss> what's wrong with you people to choose systemd???
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585[09:04:54] <ratrace> jusss: #devuan is that way -->
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590[09:08:19] <prov> @gho
591[09:08:58] <prov> ghostnik11: if your switching to pulse you can just remove all of the alsa programs and it won't matter
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594[09:09:35] <prov> If you've already removed both then it shouldn't make a difference
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627[09:51:23] <mmiyamoto> good morning
628[09:52:04] <mmiyamoto> does anyone have any idea, after restarting the server (vmware esxi), the ubuntu virtual server can no longer restart it stops in initramfs, I tried to start with a live version, however when I try to mount the LVM ext4 filesystem, the volume is activated, but ext4-fs bad geometry fails[2864.598363] EXT4-fs (dm-0): bad geometry: block count
629[09:52:05] <mmiyamoto> 11987968 exceeds size of device (10939392 blocks)root @ kali: ~ # mount / dev / mapper / MIXsrv1 - vg-root / mnt /mount: / mnt: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on / dev / mapper / MIXsrv1 - vg-root
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631[09:54:09] <prov> Bad geometry / bad superblock means there's something wrong with your filesystem
632[09:54:54] <prov> Did you just reboot? Sounds like it's corrupted
633[09:55:07] <mmiyamoto> i known
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637[09:57:18] <mmiyamoto> I restarted the vmware machine and the virtual machine was certainly fixed
638[09:57:37] <ratrace> mmiyamoto: and you're in the wrong channel. you'll need #ubuntu
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640[09:59:06] <mmiyamoto> ratrace :) ubuntu o debian ? what change?
641[09:59:14] <mmiyamoto> ext4 is ext4 everywhere
642[10:00:00] <ratrace> !ubuntu
643[10:00:00] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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645[10:00:25] <ratrace> mmiyamoto: then why ask here. go ask in #ubuntu, since ext4 is ext4 there as well.
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660[10:14:07] <trek00> mmiyamoto: it seems the partition was larger than the allocated space
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662[10:14:42] <mmiyamoto> any suggest?
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664[10:16:23] <trek00> mmiyamoto: install again? :)
665[10:16:33] <trek00> with the correct configuration
666[10:16:38] <mmiyamoto> uhmmm no becouse i data inside
667[10:16:42] <prov> mmiyamoto: ill continue on #ubuntu
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675[10:21:15] <ratrace> yes please do continue in #ubuntu. this is just noise here...
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687[10:36:31] <ghostnik11> prov, so it took me a long time but i finally slayed the problem with sound not working and now it works finally
688[10:36:50] <ratrace> care to share with the class what the problem was?
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698[10:43:49] <ghostnik11> ratrace, so i have an asus t100taf 2 in 1 windows tablet that is from like 2015. its a neat little thing but came installed with windows 8 and only has a 32gb mmcblk internal storage that is soldered onto mother board. so i basically have been running ubuntu budgie on it but came to the conclusion that maybe i can go lighter and came across some wise linux geniuses who decided to make smaller linux based off things like
699[10:43:49] <ghostnik11> debian. and then i found antix and installed it onto an micro sd card
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704[10:46:20] <ghostnik11> ratrace, so after figure out how to update kernel which increased the speed and performance i came to the problem of not having sound work even though i put the sound card files into ucm and edited everything i needed to edit but it seems like their was a problem between alsa and pulseaudio and then i realized that i had comment out some lines in pulse.conf or one of those files. once i removed that mistake now sound
705[10:46:20] <ghostnik11> works. and the 2 in 1 tablet might be the fastest lightest thing i have ever seen. want to say thanks to debian for doing great things and to keep up the great work
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712[10:47:37] <ghostnik11> anyhow have a goodnight everyone.
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728[11:01:22] <AndreasLutro> my cpu clock seems to be really inconsistent. yesterday it was jumping between 900mhz and 3000mhz all the time, today it's at a stable 4000-4500mhz. lscpu shows that the min/max are the same (800/5000). what can I look at that could be affecting this?
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732[11:03:22] <ratrace> AndreasLutro: look at `top` and see if there are any processes hogging the cpu
733[11:04:04] <trek00> AndreasLutro: it's ok, modern cpu change the clock many times per second
734[11:04:36] <AndreasLutro> ratrace: there aren't. trek00: I know it's okay, but I'm seeing such drastic differences in behavior that I'm thinking it's affecting system performance, so I want to at least understand it better
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736[11:05:00] <trek00> AndreasLutro: check also /proc/interrupts
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743[11:06:57] <trek00> AndreasLutro: if you have many interrupts, you cpu will run at faster clock
744[11:07:39] <trek00> AndreasLutro: also may be you changed the cpu governor? /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor
745[11:08:01] <trek00> or the target TDP on the bios?
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747[11:08:51] <archaeopter> Hello! For an extension id like to install sid ff (install -t unstable firefox) on my testing debian, question- will it update like a sid package per regular update && upgrade?
748[11:08:57] <AndreasLutro> if I did, then not intentionally. scaling_governor seems to be powersave for all things
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752[11:10:44] <AndreasLutro> /proc/interrupts does show one column that's increasing by like 10k/second on CPU0, in the row labelled "IR-IO-APIC 17-fasteoi idma64.1, i2c_designware.1"
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756[11:13:01] <trek00> AndreasLutro: it could be the touchpad
757[11:13:10] <trek00> !frankendebian
758[11:13:10] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
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760[11:13:24] <trek00> archaeopter: see last message from dpkg as a warning
761[11:13:50] <AndreasLutro> which I don't use... guess I can try blacklisting the module and see what happens
762[11:13:52] <trek00> archaeopter: probably you should ask on #debian-next on OFTC irc network
763[11:14:16] <archaeopter> K, are there backports? Haven't found any
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765[11:14:20] <mutante> Can I use Sid packages on "stable" or "testing"?
766[11:14:22] <mutante> Trying to do so is highly discouraged. Attempting to mix packages between Debian repositories will likely create an unusable system.
767[11:14:33] <trek00> AndreasLutro: it may the MMC reader too
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769[11:14:58] <archaeopter> I can wait, its not that relevant of an extension
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778[11:15:46] <trek00> archaeopter: anyway it should be get updates once installed
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795[11:17:34] <archaeopter> Ye, i'll wait it out since it's discouraged, tough luck that it works just one ff version newer
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797[11:18:25] <trek00> AndreasLutro: you can try to boot in safe mode (if there is one) without starting the GUI and see if that was part of the issue
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800[11:18:51] <trek00> archaeopter: may be you can find an older version of that extension that works on firefox-esr
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803[11:21:07] <trek00> archaeopter: also you can install firefox on your own directory downloading the tar file and without breaking your debian setup
804[11:22:04] <archaeopter> Nah, there isnt, but the tar way might be an option, thx for the tip!
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806[11:22:26] <trek00> just install as normal user, not as root
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808[11:22:54] <archaeopter> Kk, thx!
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811[11:23:44] <trek00> :)
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885[12:38:48] <Surfer2011> hello i locked myself (as root) out of the server yesturday by generating some ssh keys i think ... is that possible?
886[12:39:20] <Surfer2011> i can access it thru a different user and this user has (lucky) sudo permissions
887[12:39:34] <Surfer2011> i try to fix the root-login problem
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889[12:39:58] <Surfer2011> where in the ssh folder do i need to check? (delete all key files?)
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891[12:42:04] <GNU\colossus> generating a new/additional ssh identity is very unlikely to break a working pubkey auth setup
892[12:42:27] <GNU\colossus> the file located at ~/.ssh/authorized_keys stores a list of pubkeys that are allowed to log in as that user
893[12:43:00] <GNU\colossus> the files matching ~/.ssh/id_* are keypairs generated by ssh-keygen that can be used to authenticate at a remote host
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895[12:43:19] <mutante> Surfer2011: when you run ssh-keygen it will ask you which location you want to save it. it can be anything, but .ssh is just the default
896[12:43:41] <Surfer2011> i might have messed that up
897[12:44:45] <mutante> Surfer2011: as the other user, use sudo to tail -f /var/log/auth.log and watch that while you try to connect as root and see what error it shows
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899[12:46:19] <Surfer2011> pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=87.123.124.144 user=root
900[12:46:19] <Surfer2011> Apr 15 12:45:46 herfortserver sshd[14498]: Failed password for root from 87.123.124.144 port 56064 ssh2
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902[12:47:56] <mutante> Surfer2011: that sounds like it is not trying to use / send keys
903[12:47:56] <Surfer2011> but i am sure it's the correct passw
904[12:48:29] <mutante> Surfer2011: when connected as the other user and you ssh to it and then just "su" and enter the password. does that work?
905[12:48:51] <Surfer2011> sudo -su and passwd. yes
906[12:49:33] <mutante> that's weird. i was about to say then check if sshd config disallows password login. but then the error should be different
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909[12:50:33] <Surfer2011> Connection from 87.123.124.144 port 55662 on 192.168.178.123 port 22
910[12:50:33] <Surfer2011> Apr 15 12:50:17 herfortserver sshd[14560]: Failed publickey for root from 87.123.124.144 port 55662 ssh2: RSA SHA256:9ZutqufYcvy3r6ogC7CJh2SxI+u0aoQjSJ5aD6K187I
911[12:50:33] <Surfer2011> Apr 15 12:50:21 herfortserver sshd[14560]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=87.123.124.144 user=root
912[12:50:33] <Surfer2011> Apr 15 12:50:24 herfortserver sshd[14560]: Failed password for root from 87.123.124.144 port 55662 ssh2
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914[12:51:11] <mutante> Surfer2011: check if /etc/ssh/sshd_config has a line with "PermitRootLogin" yes/no
915[12:51:25] <Surfer2011> 1st paste was using putty login from putty /// 2nd paste is login into a local linux and use ssh root@IP
916[12:52:06] <ratrace> Surfer2011: and by all means do not use root user on port 22
917[12:52:24] <Surfer2011> PermitRootLogin without-password
918[12:52:48] <Surfer2011> it's not port 22 external
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920[12:52:59] <Surfer2011> but yes maybe i'll change this internal also
921[12:53:19] <mutante> Surfer2011: you can first test to replace "without-password" with "yes" and restart sshd and then check login again.
922[12:53:20] <Surfer2011> i'm also confused with ssh and sshd since both have config files in /etc/ssh/
923[12:53:20] <trek00> anyway it seems to fail on public key auth: Failed publickey for root
924[12:53:42] <mutante> Surfer2011: then in the longterm change it back and actually use only keys and not passwords at all
925[12:53:45] <ratrace> Surfer2011: from the logs you posted those look like attmpts to port 22 from public internet
926[12:54:15] <mutante> Surfer2011: we care about "sshd" in this case, it's the server part and ssh is the client
927[12:54:18] <ratrace> for ssh keys to be effective, you must disable PasswordAuthentication completely
928[12:54:32] <Surfer2011> no i use ssh root@efnowe -p xxx /// in putty same port xxx is set
929[12:54:35] <ratrace> (once you get the key working)
930[12:54:41] <mutante> let's not mix 2 different issues. it's complicating stuff
931[12:54:50] <mutante> but in general, yea
932[12:55:41] <Surfer2011> ok yes let's please do that afterwards
933[12:55:47] <mutante> getting keys to work will require more things.. like it will get into ssh-agent on windows and stuff
934[12:56:00] <mutante> because i see putty
935[12:56:14] <ratrace> putty manages all that
936[12:56:27] <mutante> ok, good luck
937[12:56:34] <ratrace> and surely there's a tutorial maybe with pretty pictures on how to set up ssh agent with putty
938[12:56:34] <Surfer2011> ok permit -> yes works from linux to linux
939[12:57:00] <mutante> ratrace, you are not wrong but mixing different issues will not make it easier to debug
940[12:57:44] <ratrace> what different issues are there? all I see is the attemp to setup pubkey auth with putty as the client, no?
941[12:58:16] <Surfer2011> ok now it works ... i can login as root again with PermitRootLogin yes
942[12:58:42] <mutante> no, the issue is he disabled password login without knowing he did
943[12:58:43] <Surfer2011> no the problem was no root-ssh login
944[12:59:02] <mutante> of course using keys would still be recommended
945[12:59:17] <Surfer2011> thanks that works now first the question: why are there ssh_config and sshd_config in the ssh directory?
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947[12:59:34] <mutante> Surfer2011: ssh is the client, sshd is the server
948[13:00:06] <Surfer2011> ah okay
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950[13:00:48] <Surfer2011> solved another knot in my head ^^
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953[13:01:08] <Surfer2011> now about the keys i know the best practise would be to use keys and passphrases
954[13:01:41] <Surfer2011> in theory i need to move the private key to the device and have the public key on the server
955[13:02:10] <trek00> Surfer2011: the opposite, you generate the private key on the device and move the public key on the server
956[13:02:19] <Surfer2011> can (and do?) i use on pair for many devices? so copy the private key to all devices i want to access this server from?
957[13:02:20] <trek00> private keys should not be moved around
958[13:02:32] <Surfer2011> ahh okay
959[13:02:50] <Surfer2011> so the server stores public keys to all devices that will need to connect to it?
960[13:03:32] <trek00> it should be better to have a single key for each device, but it really depends by your security needs
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962[13:03:59] <mutante> Surfer2011: yea, private key always stays with you. public keys are copied to remote servers you want to connect to
963[13:04:15] <Surfer2011> no big need since its all private stuff, so no fort knox needed ^^
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966[13:05:21] <mutante> Surfer2011: use a passphrase when creating the keypair, then even if a private key leaks the attacker would still need the passphrase to use it
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968[13:06:19] <mutante> this is not to be confused with password login. it just means the private key is encrypted and to decrypt it locally you need to enter a passphrase
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974[13:08:50] <Surfer2011> ok
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976[13:09:13] <Surfer2011> so now next question where to keep them how to store them and how to integrate them
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978[13:09:49] <Surfer2011> and how can i clean up the mess i did yesturday with the keys maybe ^^
979[13:11:18] <Surfer2011> and those public keys are as the name said public, so i can store them in a cloud to transfer and keep them together?
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981[13:11:50] <Surfer2011> the private key i understood stays at the device generated the pair and should not be opposed to anybody
982[13:12:04] <mutante> Surfer2011: in theory it can be any path you want as long as you configure everything to look in that place, but easier to use the defaults. That means the directory called .ssh inside your home dir
983[13:12:32] <mutante> private key never leaves your machine where you created it. public key you copy to the server
984[13:12:50] <Surfer2011> my home dir = ? root home? or ALWAYS use a user and sudo -su into root once needed?
985[13:12:53] <mutante> Surfer2011: yes, public means you can make them public
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988[13:13:52] <mutante> Surfer2011: the home dir of root is usually /root. in general the home dir of whatever user you want to use. but yes, it is better to not even allow root login and always use sudo
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990[13:14:24] <mutante> i would try to setup key login with your regular (non-root) user
991[13:15:02] <Surfer2011> my problem is grown up with windows and windows user ... ^^ so i always think installing/changing system things i need to be logged in as root
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993[13:15:12] <Surfer2011> but i more and more realize i don't
994[13:15:18] <mutante> and once that works and you confirm you can become root.. you can change that sshd setting from earlier back to what it was
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996[13:16:05] <mutante> Surfer2011: understandable, but even on Windows working as Administrator is discouraged
997[13:16:20] <Surfer2011> i will change that back to "no" ?! (better than without-password) which made trouble anyway
998[13:16:51] <mutante> Surfer2011: yea, but first confirm everyhting works as the other user
999[13:16:58] <Surfer2011> but the regular user i use can/should be in the sudoer? (USER ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL) ?
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1005[13:17:57] <mutante> Surfer2011: yea. in theory you can be more specific and only allow certain commands you often use instead of ALL:ALL but it's very common to do what you suggested
1006[13:18:09] <Surfer2011> what is the regular way to add a sudoer in debian10? read all missleading things and found nano /etc/sudoers --> add line
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1008[13:18:22] <Surfer2011> ok
1009[13:18:25] <mutante> Surfer2011: use "visudo" and don't edit the file directly
1010[13:19:23] <Surfer2011> ok great, you're awesome solving some of my puzzels, learning a lot of basics thanks
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1015[13:20:33] <Surfer2011> ok so back to where we came from, i put the publickeys to the directory /home/myuser/.ssh/key1 and so on alll in there
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1017[13:21:10] <Surfer2011> 1st how to integrate those into ssh config?
1018[13:21:13] <mutante> Surfer2011: you will also want the tool "pageant" that comes with putty depending if you used the installer or not
1019[13:21:40] <Surfer2011> there is a putty-keygen?!
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1021[13:22:04] <mutante> yes, it's called puttygen
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1023[13:22:43] <Surfer2011> 2nd (knowing there is no best ways) working on windows all day ... preferr to putty into each mashine? or use one toolbook-linux system putty into this and from there putty into all the others? best practise?
1024[13:23:35] <mutante> Surfer2011: it depends. if this is a Windows domain with many usres and you are domain admin, i would say deploy putty with group policies
1025[13:24:01] <Surfer2011> no personal device at home
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1027[13:25:13] <mutante> you can also install openssh in Windows, for example as part of cygwin. and i hear that in Windows 10 ssh is even included now
1028[13:25:29] <mutante> so maybe all you have to do is open a shell and type ssh
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1052[13:28:51] <Surfer2011> i'll try this and what did you mean about pegant?
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1057[13:29:14] <Surfer2011> and where do i make sure the pub-keys in /home/myuser/.ssh will be used?
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1063[13:30:16] <mutante> Surfer2011: once you have created a private key and added a passphrase to it.. you will ask "do i really have to type this everytime i connect". that's where pageant comes into play. it's an agent to load the keys in the background so when you connect you don't have to do anything
1064[13:30:22] <Surfer2011> and my ssh directory looks like this replaced-url
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1068[13:31:20] <mutante> Surfer2011: host keys are another matter. don't delete them
1069[13:31:40] <Surfer2011> ok so i need pegant on the "client" (private key - device) to kinda "save passphrase in ram"
1070[13:31:41] <Surfer2011> ok
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1072[13:31:53] <mutante> yes
1073[13:32:04] <Surfer2011> and where do i make sure the pub-keys in /home/myuser/.ssh will be used?
1074[13:32:46] <mutante> you start pageant and load a key and then you use putty and it should just work
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1076[13:33:15] <mutante> if multiple keys are loaded it will just try them all
1077[13:33:21] <mutante> up to a certain maximum
1078[13:33:24] <Surfer2011> ssh in win10 console works easy just like putty :) nice
1079[13:33:30] <Surfer2011> okay so no config needed
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1083[13:35:01] <mutante> not if you use the agent. the alternative is to use only putty and create a new profile for each server and configure it to use the right key and save it. but then you still have to type passphrases
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1085[13:35:25] <Surfer2011> ok
1086[13:35:36] <Surfer2011> great thanks for your time and patience :)
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1090[13:36:00] <Surfer2011> so all keys in any .ssh directory so far i can delete?
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1093[13:37:08] <mutante> hard to tell. move them somewhere else to clean up but still keep the backup for now?
1094[13:37:21] <Surfer2011> in root-home/.ssh are 3 files known_host (needed i suppose), id_rsa and id_rsa.pub
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1099[13:38:33] <mutante> if you don't want to use root anymore then you dont need anything in root's hoome
1100[13:39:18] <mutante> theoretically you can use the same key as another user and just move it around. but probably better to start over and make a new keypair for a new user
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1102[13:39:43] <Surfer2011> is the file known_hosts needed?
1103[13:39:50] <mutante> yes
1104[13:40:00] <Surfer2011> ok
1105[13:40:03] <mutante> well.. if that user ever makes ssh connections
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1113[13:44:26] <Surfer2011> sweet everything works :) great help thousand thanks
1114[13:44:54] <Surfer2011> is there any advanced user create to have an extended shell or something that has mor confort?
1115[13:45:15] <ayekat> "extended shell"?
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1117[13:46:16] <mase-tech> how to make system backups (snapshots) on a debian server
1118[13:46:23] <ayekat> depending on the shell you're using, there are various ways to configure it and make it more "comfortable" for your personal use
1119[13:47:01] <Surfer2011> do you know any good ones? or better for me to google it ? ^^
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1121[13:47:27] <mutante> Surfer2011: you're welcome. i would not mess with replacing bash with zsh for now, though some might recommend it
1122[13:47:28] <ayekat> Surfer2011: "good" depends on what you need - personally, I find bash is fairly powerful already
1123[13:47:46] <Surfer2011> ok
1124[13:47:56] <ayekat> I use zsh because it suits my needs better, but... yeah, it really depends on what *you* want
1125[13:48:15] <Surfer2011> ok thanks
1126[13:48:51] <ayekat> and given the question itself, I'd say stick to bash for now - no point in switching to another one ^^
1127[13:49:18] <Surfer2011> good i will do that
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1153[14:22:52] <ratrace> mase-tech: look into rsnapshot. if you need atomic snapshots, then you'll need a filesystem capable of those, like zfs or btrfs. it's possible with LVM too, but that's rather suboptimal
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1177[14:49:22] <mase-tech> ratrace, which folders must I backup for the systembackup in rsync and how to rewrite them
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1183[14:55:49] <kniew> hi
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1195[15:08:55] <ratrace> mase-tech: ideally everything, entire root filesystem. you can use the -x option so it doesn't descend into mounted dirs like /dev, /sys and /proc.
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1198[15:09:15] <ratrace> careful if you have separate /home or some other dir, that you want included
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1204[15:11:45] <ratrace> mase-tech: oh btw, if you're doing it with rsync yourself, best include -a -A and -X flags to keep permissions, xattrs and acls.
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1206[15:12:52] <mase-tech> yeah thanks
1207[15:12:58] <mase-tech> maybe I shot myself
1208[15:13:02] <mase-tech> nothing works here
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1213[15:18:41] <tabb> hi, debian buster gnome3 .. there is not more "tray"?
1214[15:19:05] <ratrace> tabb: gnome removed it, you need an extension for it now. can't remember whatsitcalled
1215[15:19:40] <tabb> poor gnome.. thanks
1216[15:21:15] <mase-tech> windows > debian
1217[15:21:18] <mase-tech> take that
1218[15:21:54] <prov> tabb: you should be able to just look up systray on the gnome extensions site
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1220[15:22:27] <lnkcmplxct> mase-tech, windows = black box, debian = what you see is what you get
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1224[15:24:31] <abrotman> NOt true .. you're free to go in and change it
1225[15:25:03] <tabb> where?
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1227[15:25:39] <mase-tech> I want to do snapshots
1228[15:25:45] <mase-tech> simply not possible
1229[15:26:03] <lnkcmplxct> what do you mean by snapshot?
1230[15:26:04] <mase-tech> in windows click make snapshot
1231[15:26:10] <mase-tech> it does snapshot
1232[15:26:13] <lnkcmplxct> screenshot?
1233[15:26:20] <lnkcmplxct> or your webcam?
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1235[15:26:32] <mase-tech> what I want to do
1236[15:26:38] <lnkcmplxct> I see
1237[15:26:41] <mase-tech> is system backup
1238[15:26:46] <lnkcmplxct> rsync
1239[15:26:46] <mase-tech> with my server
1240[15:26:50] <mase-tech> rsync
1241[15:26:56] <mase-tech> are you serious
1242[15:26:56] <lnkcmplxct> rsync is what you a needy
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1244[15:27:07] <lnkcmplxct> yes i am seriously it is a excellent
1245[15:27:29] <mase-tech> that is simply not as simple as u want to tell me
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1247[15:27:37] <mase-tech> u = you
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1249[15:27:46] <ratrace> mase-tech: "snapshots" are specific terminology, implying an atomic state at the moment of creation. only ZFS, BTRFS and to some extent LVM can do that.
1250[15:27:47] <mase-tech> I am a bit mad
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1252[15:27:59] <lnkcmplxct> what about it is not as simple as i want to tell you ?
1253[15:28:06] <mase-tech> so sorry
1254[15:28:14] <ratrace> even if you use rsnapshot, be aware that it's sensitive to changes between the start and end of the procedure
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1256[15:28:41] <prov> tabb: if you were asking about the site its extensions.gnome.org
1257[15:28:44] <mase-tech> ok
1258[15:28:56] <mase-tech> I give you something to process
1259[15:28:56] <lnkcmplxct> you need a seperate /boot partition and then you can just do rsync backups using simple cronjob
1260[15:29:10] <lnkcmplxct> this will work in also only backing up whatever has changed
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1262[15:29:17] <mase-tech> sudo rsync -aAXvP -n --delete –exclude={"/dev/*","/proc/*","/sys/*","/tmp/*","/run/*","/mnt/*","/media/*","/lost+found","/swapfile","/backup","vmlinuz.*","initrd.img.*"} / /backup
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1264[15:29:19] <ratrace> lnkcmplxct: what does separate /boot have to do with it?
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1266[15:29:23] <tabb> prov yeah but systray lead only to Netctl Systray
1267[15:29:26] <mase-tech> this is the holyy line I made
1268[15:29:50] <RaimondRaj> i run a eggdrop on my shell. but now the eggdrop didnt respone to my dcc chat / ctcp chat
1269[15:30:06] <mase-tech> but if I use the backup to write on the system to get the "snapshot" state
1270[15:30:06] <lnkcmplxct> ratrace it makes it easier to restore from backup
1271[15:30:09] <mase-tech> it dies
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1273[15:30:17] <ratrace> lnkcmplxct: how?
1274[15:30:18] <mase-tech> that is the problem with rsync
1275[15:30:24] <tabb> RaimondRaj, #eggdrop
1276[15:30:37] <RaimondRaj> they cant fulfill my question
1277[15:30:42] <RaimondRaj> im searching for so long
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1279[15:30:51] <ratrace> mase-tech: that's some funny syntax there with --exclude ... which shell is that?
1280[15:31:14] <mase-tech> ok it is a former line
1281[15:31:18] <mase-tech> I have also others
1282[15:31:22] <tabb> in fact RaimondRaj are you the owner of the egg? did you /msg eggdrop hello & /msg eggdrop pass <password>
1283[15:31:31] <prov> tabb: my mistake, it looks like the one I used to use was removed
1284[15:31:43] <prov> replaced-url
1285[15:32:01] <mase-tech> a
1286[15:32:03] <mase-tech> I see
1287[15:32:07] <ratrace> mase-tech: why don't you try rsnapshot?
1288[15:32:11] <ratrace> ,v rsnapshot
1289[15:32:12] <mase-tech> I safe the line in libreoffice
1290[15:32:12] <judd> Package: rsnapshot on amd64 -- jessie: 1.3.1-4+deb8u1; buster: 1.4.2-1; stretch: 1.4.2-1; bullseye: 1.4.3-2; sid: 1.4.3-2
1291[15:32:20] <ratrace> !info rsnapshot
1292[15:32:20] <mase-tech> and it change the -- to -
1293[15:32:27] <dpkg> rsnapshot: (local and remote filesystem snapshot utility), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.4.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 123 kB, Installed size: 462 kB
1294[15:32:37] <tabb> prov does a reboot is required to get extension work&
1295[15:32:51] <lnkcmplxct> ratrace: if you do a fresh installation with newly formated partitions the uuid or what you call it changes causing all kinds of problems, if you keep a seperate boot folder you can just overwrite all the other partitions and be ready to go without having to correct and partition identifiers
1296[15:32:54] <ratrace> tabb: logout and login should suffice
1297[15:32:58] <lnkcmplxct> ratrace correct me if i am wrong
1298[15:33:04] <RaimondRaj> yes im
1299[15:33:12] <RaimondRaj> im owner of the eddgrop
1300[15:33:12] <ratrace> lnkcmplxct: you're wrong :)
1301[15:33:15] <lnkcmplxct> lol
1302[15:33:33] <mase-tech> hi
1303[15:33:49] <ratrace> lnkcmplxct: if anything, because of the grub.cfg that has uuid of the rootfs, regardless of whether /boot is separate
1304[15:34:11] <mase-tech> lnkcmplxct, so give me a line with rsync to do the snapshot
1305[15:34:15] <mase-tech> if it is easy
1306[15:34:18] <mase-tech> I try it
1307[15:34:25] <mase-tech> and tell you if it works
1308[15:34:34] <ratrace> mase-tech: why don't you try rsnapshot?
1309[15:34:42] <mase-tech> i try that also
1310[15:34:44] <lnkcmplxct> mase-tech: i have not done it in a while i am sorry not familiar with the syntax anymore i would have to famikliarize myself again
1311[15:34:59] <mase-tech> ha
1312[15:35:10] <mase-tech> so if you are a linux lord
1313[15:35:16] <mase-tech> and cannt manage it
1314[15:35:20] <mase-tech> how can I
1315[15:35:31] <mase-tech> so rsync not easy
1316[15:35:41] <mase-tech> not done in 5 mins
1317[15:35:46] <prov> tabb: no it should work straight after it's installed
1318[15:35:58] <lnkcmplxct> mase tech what you do is take rsync to copy all your partitions over to a backup partition or what not, and then have the options set to only record the changes and basically give you an incremental
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1320[15:36:21] <mase-tech> ok thats fine
1321[15:36:21] <ratrace> mase-tech: rsync -avAX --exclude=/dev/ --exclude=/sys/ --exclude=/proc/ --exclude=/mnt/ --exclude=/media/ --exclude=/swapfile --exclude=/backup / /backup/
1322[15:36:28] <mase-tech> rsync is backing up the files
1323[15:36:30] <lnkcmplxct> and when you want to return your system to a previous state you can just over write your servers partitions from your backups
1324[15:36:39] <mase-tech> but if I rewrite the system
1325[15:36:41] <mase-tech> it dies
1326[15:36:44] <mase-tech> like a hero
1327[15:36:44] <ratrace> mase-tech: you can safely remove lost+found before rsync. and don't skip the kernel symlinks from root
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1329[15:37:27] <mase-tech> so i am on remote
1330[15:37:39] <mase-tech> no remote is wrong
1331[15:37:49] <mase-tech> I am testing it on virtual box
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1335[15:38:32] <ratrace> mase-tech: so what's the _actual_ problem you have when you run rsync? it "dies" how?
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1337[15:39:16] <mase-tech> I reverse the source destination part of the rsync command
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1339[15:39:37] <mase-tech> and while it is running in the terminal
1340[15:39:45] <mase-tech> it stops running
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1342[15:39:51] <mase-tech> and nothing works
1343[15:40:03] <mase-tech> no more input possible
1344[15:40:07] <mase-tech> no reboot
1345[15:40:16] <mase-tech> but total desaster
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1348[15:40:42] <ratrace> mase-tech: you can't just arbitrarily reverse source and destination for rsync LOL
1349[15:41:09] <mase-tech> thats is the purpose
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1351[15:41:15] <ratrace> if you're testing restore, you definitely do NOT want to rsync the rootfs over itself while running.....
1352[15:41:22] <ratrace> mase-tech: no it's not. you're doing it wrong.
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1354[15:41:39] <mase-tech> yeah something is wrong
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1356[15:43:02] <ratrace> mase-tech: did you try the rsync line I gave you above?
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1358[15:43:51] <ratrace> you should REALLY use a tool like rsnapshot. proper rsync backups would also involve --delete but you must know what you're doing with that, or else you'll cause breakage
1359[15:44:00] <mase-tech> rat gimme sec
1360[15:44:06] <mase-tech> I am setting up everything
1361[15:44:13] <mase-tech> I do not want to make mistake
1362[15:44:41] <mase-tech> we do the rsync command
1363[15:44:46] <mase-tech> and then rsnapshot
1364[15:44:50] <tabb> prov, hum, something went wrong.. i got "error"
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1367[15:46:04] <prov> tabb: which version of gnome
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1372[15:46:47] <tabb> 3.30.2
1373[15:46:57] <prov> They like breaking extension compatibility so if you're not on a recent version it might not work
1374[15:47:27] <prov> Ah that's probably the reason
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1380[15:49:04] <prov> tabb: does this one work replaced-url
1381[15:49:31] <prov> It says it supports 3.30 but I can't test how well it works
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1386[15:55:47] <tabb> no
1387[15:57:22] <prov> I'm not sure how you're installing these but did you make sure to match the gnome version
1388[15:58:12] <prov> I believe the software centre automatically does this but if you download it from the website you probably need to make sure
1389[15:58:18] <tabb> well from the website i switch off to on
1390[15:58:33] <tabb> and i tried also by the softwhere center
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1392[16:01:10] <prov> I'm not sure then
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1395[16:02:03] <prov> Have you tried restarting the program trying to use the systray, done all that
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1398[16:04:07] <tabb> yes.. either the session
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1400[16:09:36] <tabb> should i juste upgrade gnome?
1401[16:10:04] <prov> I'm not sure I can help you then apart from suggesting you look through the system tray extensions until you find one that works
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1406[16:16:11] <mase-tech> ratrace, rsync command is running
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1439[16:42:17] <holymoly|2> ratrace: are you here
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1442[16:42:33] <mase-tech> hi
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1444[16:43:26] <mase-tech> ent 4,436,483,626 bytes received 1,528,376 bytes 18,530,321.51 bytes/sec total size is 4,429,965,388 speedup is 1.00 rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 2 3) at main.c(1196) [sender=3.1.2]
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1470[17:03:57] <mase-tech_2> ratrace, hello you are here
1471[17:04:21] <tabb> i guess he is away mase-tech_2
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1479[17:09:41] <ratrace> mase-tech_2: I'm here
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1487[17:18:14] <mase-tech_2> welcome back
1488[17:18:28] <mase-tech_2> ratrace, did u see the output
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1496[17:31:52] <ratrace> mase-tech_2: is there a question there?
1497[17:33:00] <mase-tech> didnt you ask for an error output
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1501[17:34:12] <ratrace> mase-tech: no I asked what problem you were having, you never explained what the actual problem was, but then you said rsync was working, so I guess that's done?
1502[17:34:31] <ratrace> mase-tech: and as for that specific error in your last output, it's missing details.
1503[17:34:37] <mase-tech_2> no
1504[17:34:54] <mase-tech_2> we are not done yet
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1507[17:36:35] <trek00> mase-tech_2: may be you can try explain again what issues do you have and what you are trying to accomplish
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1510[17:37:16] <ratrace> mase-tech_2: indeed. you'll have to explain exactly what you're doing and what is happening.
1511[17:39:04] <mase-tech> rsync -avAX --exclude=/dev/ --exclude=/sys/ --exclude=/proc/ --exclude=/mnt/ --exclude=/media/ --exclude=/swapfile --exclude=/backup / /backup/
1512[17:39:18] <mase-tech> this is what I executed
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1514[17:40:26] <ratrace> mase-tech: okay, and what's the problem?
1515[17:40:31] <mase-tech> now I install cowsay
1516[17:40:57] <mase-tech> ratrace: I do not know if I already have a problem
1517[17:41:02] <mase-tech> so i proceed
1518[17:41:47] <mase-tech> cowsay working
1519[17:41:53] <ratrace> AND?
1520[17:42:08] <ratrace> please explain the problem in ONE sentence.
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1522[17:42:49] <mase-tech> now I want to rewrite my system with the backup, because in the backup cowsay is not installed
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1525[17:43:29] <mase-tech> rsync -avAX --exclude=/dev/ --exclude=/sys/ --exclude=/proc/ --exclude=/mnt/ --exclude=/media/ --exclude=/swapfile --exclude=/backup /backup/ /
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1527[17:44:09] <mase-tech> what I expect is that cowsay isnt working, because i made a snapshot before installing
1528[17:44:19] <ratrace> mase-tech: you did not make a snapshot
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1531[17:45:05] <ratrace> rsync copy is not a snapshot. it takes time so any changes _while_ it is running are going to corrupt data (some changes will be copied, some won't) :: I presume that's the error mentioned in your previous post
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1533[17:45:41] <trek00> and you should not restore the root filesystem of a running system, it could not work
1534[17:46:43] <mase-tech> ok
1535[17:46:48] <mase-tech> I want a snapshot
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1537[17:46:59] <ratrace> mase-tech: you will need to use ZFS, BTRFS or LVM for that
1538[17:47:00] <mase-tech> how can I do that
1539[17:47:09] <mase-tech> ok
1540[17:47:36] <trek00> if it's a virtual machine you can just make a copy of the image when it is not runnig
1541[17:47:48] <ratrace> though LVM snapshots are .... poor and unintuitive, you need a partition that will receive changes while the "snapshotted" LV is frozen, so it behaves very much differently from snapshots of ZFS and BTRFS
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1543[17:48:39] <ratrace> you can make a copy while it's running, but for that it's best to reboot into single user mode and make a copy while nothing else is running or changing files. or "offline" from a rescue system where you mount your rootfs
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1545[17:49:44] <ratrace> though technically, if you know what you're doing, you can back up from a normal running system if you minimize the changes and resync for any errors tha might appear
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1550[17:51:12] <mase-tech> ratrace: I am afraid you are wrong
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1552[17:51:24] <ratrace> mase-tech: which part?
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1557[17:52:32] <mase-tech> that i need ZFS,BTRFS or LVM for snapshot
1558[17:53:05] <ratrace> mase-tech: those are the only filesystems, and LVM, that support atomic snapshots.
1559[17:53:29] <ratrace> OR you're using the word "snapshot" with a different meaning.
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1563[17:54:39] <mase-tech> timeshift(rsync based) is making snapshots from linuxdesktop and it is made for snapshots (system backups)
1564[17:55:08] <ratrace> mase-tech: those are not atomic snapshots and changing the system while the backup is running will result in the same errors
1565[17:55:11] <mase-tech> but timeshift isnt working on servers because gtk3 packages are missing (we could install them)
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1570[17:57:54] <ratrace> mase-tech: rsync is not capable of atomic snapshots. it starts going through the filesystem, which takes time. it first enumerates the files, then works on them. if files change between those two steps, it's going to tell you about it in form of "errors".
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1572[17:58:42] <trek00> mase-tech: anyway with rsync you make backups not filesystem snapshots
1573[17:59:01] <ratrace> indeed. regardless if "timeshift" propaganda leaflets are calling them "snapshots", they are NOT.
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1575[17:59:40] <mase-tech> replaced-url
1576[17:59:53] <mase-tech> I want a snapshot lol
1577[18:00:04] <ratrace> rsnapshot works with rsync as well, but treats previous runs as "snapshots" for which it does hard link based diffs . it however uses rsync and is also sensitive to changes WHILE it is running.
1578[18:00:23] <ratrace> mase-tech: if you want an atomic snapshot, you need ZFS, BTRFS or LVM. and I'm done on this subject.
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1580[18:00:58] <mase-tech> I want any snapshot
1581[18:01:44] <mase-tech> ok what about a non atomic snapshot
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1584[18:04:10] <ratrace> mase-tech: use rsync, or rsnapshot, don't change your system while it's running. ideally from a single-user mode
1585[18:04:52] <mase-tech> ok tell my how to use rsync
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1587[18:05:12] <ratrace> already did
1588[18:05:18] <mase-tech> what is the command for a system backup
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1590[18:05:43] <mase-tech> ok we have the files into /backup
1591[18:06:11] <mase-tech> I want them back in /
1592[18:06:44] <mase-tech> so that cowsay isnt installed anymore
1593[18:06:49] <ratrace> mase-tech: reboot into rescue mode, mount your / somewhere, and that /backup too, and rsync back
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1596[18:09:31] <ratrace> mase-tech: note however, someone raised that problem before, in case of REAL restoration, you will likely have different filesystem UUIDs, so you need to reconfigure fstab, and grub.
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1606[18:22:43] <doubletwist> so is there a way to enable access.conf without manually editing files in /etc/pam.d ? perhaps using /usr/share/pam-configs and pam-auth-update ?
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1609[18:26:16] <doubletwist> or is it better to just manage the files directly (trying to set up configs using saltstack)
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1614[18:36:18] <oxek> There's this FOSS app I want to use. Debian does not package it. The developer provides an apt repo for it. Or I can install it from snapcraft. Or I can install it from flatpak.
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1616[18:36:25] <oxek> Which method is the most suitable for debian?
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1619[18:37:11] <joepublic> the answer varies widely based on the quality of the developer's apt repository and its' builds suitability for the debian version you are running.
1620[18:37:50] <oxek> I don't know how to reply to that
1621[18:37:56] <trek00> oxek: this repository is exactly for your debian version?
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1623[18:38:16] <oxek> trek00: no, looks like a generic one, perhaps for ubuntu
1624[18:38:37] <oxek> "deb [arch=amd64] replaced-url
1625[18:38:42] <oxek> sounds like some version of ubuntu
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1630[18:40:39] <trek00> oxek: may be you can try with this repository, if it does not work, uninstall the package and try with the other methods, anyway it's not an ideal situation
1631[18:41:08] <joepublic> xenial itself is from 2016 iirc
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1635[18:41:56] <oxek> I was always told to be wary of adding external repositories to debian. Is there a way of ensuring a repo can only install one specific app?
1636[18:42:00] <oxek> What I mean is this:
1637[18:42:30] <oxek> I don't want this repo to suddenly say it provides a newer version of firefox and automatically have apt upgrade install this new version
1638[18:42:43] <oxek> I want this new repo to only be able to install this one software
1639[18:42:56] <sney> the signal desktop client is an electron application, which means it's basically a single-purpose web browser frame. it's probably a single package with no extra dependencies.
1640[18:44:00] <oxek> yes, it is an electron app
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1642[18:44:38] <sney> I would enable the repo, run the '
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1644[18:44:54] <sney> run the 'apt install signal-desktop' command and see what it tells you it's going to install
1645[18:45:00] <sney> if it's sane, go ahead, and then disable the repo
1646[18:46:06] <oxek> that's a good idea. But it will make updates a pain. Plus the signal app requires regular updates due to the integrated timebomb.
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1655[18:53:47] <trek00> oxek: sorry disconnected
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1657[18:54:12] <trek00> oxek: i've checked this repository and it seems the have only signal packages so it should not break all the system replaced-url
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1659[18:54:14] <krad> hi. i have debian buster, how can i install anbox? i do apt install anbox it doesn't find it.. but it's here: replaced-url
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1661[18:55:18] <oxek> trek00: that's true. How am I protected though if the repo chooses to include e.g. firefox-esr and I do sudo apt upgrade?
1662[18:55:32] <oxek> I never understood how apt works in these cases
1663[18:55:42] <trek00> oxek: anyway after installing signal, you could disable this repository to be sure
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1665[18:56:08] <trek00> krad: you need to enable contrib repository
1666[18:56:08] <oxek> trek00: signal requires frequent updates because it contains a timebomb that disables functionality if it is out of date
1667[18:56:11] <trek00> !contrib
1668[18:56:11] <dpkg> [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb replaced-url
1669[18:56:28] <sney> oxek: apt won't install extra dependencies unless you approve it, so just make sure you always read the list of incoming packages before you press enter
1670[18:56:33] <trek00> oxek: i can't guarantee anything :)
1671[18:57:59] <oxek> so there's no way to pin a repo to an app? To say only use this repo for this particular app, never use this repo for any other app?
1672[18:58:18] <trek00> oxek: you could add a low priority to this repositoryreplaced-url
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1674[18:58:45] <joepublic> an 'app' can be a heinous intertwining chain of dependencies, so not really
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1677[19:00:04] <nvz> oxek: just set the priority of that repo below the normal repos would be my guess
1678[19:00:34] <nvz> oxek: but as was stated, this will not affect dependencies that arent available via the higher priority repos
1679[19:01:30] <oxek> nvz: thanks for the link, sounds like what I am looking for
1680[19:01:57] <nvz> oxek: yeah that was joepublic but I'll take credit for it :P
1681[19:02:22] <oxek> sorry everyone :D
1682[19:02:29] <oxek> thank you all
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1684[19:03:06] <joepublic> feeling anonymous? :)
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1686[19:03:39] <oxek> probably forcibly renamed due to not identifying in time
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1750[20:05:27] <chmykh> Hello! Please help. I am going to try Debian on my desktop machine, and I need clean GUI install, but without additional metapackages included as games etc. Is netinst ok for me? How to choose what exactly I want to install? Thank you.
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1752[20:05:52] <trek00> chmykh: netinst is for you
1753[20:06:05] <greycat> Do a "standard" install (no desktop environments), and then add the packages you want after booting into Debian.
1754[20:06:24] <chmykh> trek00: thank you!
1755[20:06:31] <trek00> chmykh: just don't install task-* packages and select only what you want
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1760[20:06:48] <chmykh> greycat: thank you, can you please lead me a bit for example to metapackage of basic gnome setup?
1761[20:07:29] <chmykh> trek00: what is task-* packages and when actually during installation i will see it?
1762[20:07:40] <greycat> That's the entire problem. You specifically DO NOT want games installed, so you have to avoid the metapackages and install the components you DO want, one by one, to avoid pulling in any games.
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1767[20:09:09] <trek00> chmykh: there are packages called like task-gnome-desktop that install the full environment, so you can skip them and select only packages you need
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1769[20:09:59] <karlpinc> chmykh: Which is not especially hard. You install what you want (Xorg and some gui desktop) and the package manager pulls in everything needed to make what you asked for work.
1770[20:10:38] <chmykh> karlpinc: ok, but. For GNOME installation, is there a minimal setup, just for gnome-shell?
1771[20:10:41] <karlpinc> chmykh: There's no need to worry over-much during the install either. You can always install more later. Or remove things.
1772[20:10:52] <chmykh> As I can understand I will go offline untill I will get installed system.
1773[20:10:58] <karlpinc> chmykh: You probably want the unoffical installer with non-free firmware included.
1774[20:11:01] <karlpinc> !firmware images
1775[20:11:01] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
1776[20:11:48] <chmykh> I'd like to go with official one, just want to understand hwo to install minimalistic gnome-shell setup for start.
1777[20:11:59] <karlpinc> It is official enough.
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1781[20:12:35] <karlpinc> chmykh: The only difference is that the offical installer won't install non-free firmware. But some hardware needs this to access some devices/features/etc.
1782[20:13:02] <karlpinc> chmykh: It's annoying to have to install firmware after the fact. Or worse, during the install in order to make the install work.
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1784[20:13:05] <chmykh> karlpinc: I'd like to learn myself to handle this issues.
1785[20:13:26] <karlpinc> chmykh: Then you'll want to read the install guide at debian.org to see how to deal.
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1788[20:14:06] <chmykh> Is gnome-core is needed package?
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1790[20:14:27] <karlpinc> chmykh: Frankly, you'll have enough to deal with. Getting your hardware to work is just an extra step. (This is the big difference between debian and ubnutu. Ubuntu is happy to install non-free stuff.)
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1793[20:15:41] <karlpinc> chmykh: Installing non-free stuff on debian is easy, if you enable that. But having to figure out the firmware is just a hassle that won't teach you much about regular operation of Debian.
1794[20:15:55] <karlpinc> People only install firmware once.
1795[20:16:35] <karlpinc> chmykh: It is if you plan on running gnome. If you don't want games you might not want something as "heavy" as gnome.
1796[20:17:37] <chmykh> Well, I want to have full-featured desktop, including proprietary nvidia drivers, but, with clean minimal installation. Also I think GNOME fits my needs - minimal, yet contemporary GUI.
1797[20:17:59] <karlpinc> (Official enough to be hosted at debian.org.)
1798[20:18:31] <karlpinc> chmykh: I believe the debian wiki has a page on nvidia. But I'm not the person to ask.
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1800[20:19:09] <karlpinc> chmykh: Minimal to me means no gui and just ssh. :-}
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1812[20:25:04] <no_gravity> Hello! Do you guys know how to map ESC+l to "end-of-line" in a bash shell?
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1816[20:27:39] <trek00> no_gravity: you can't use CTRL+M?
1817[20:28:16] <no_gravity> trek00: CTRL is way harder to reach then ESC on my keyboard. I mapped ESC to CAPS and that is right on my home row.
1818[20:28:20] <greycat> He asked in #bash and was given the answer... and then he came here and asked again?
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1820[20:29:20] <no_gravity> greycat: Please leave me alone.
1821[20:30:01] <greycat> *what*
1822[20:30:11] <no_gravity> Ha, I found it!
1823[20:30:21] <no_gravity> bind "\el":end-of-line
1824[20:30:33] <cyveris> greycat: Was that the answer he was given previously?
1825[20:30:38] <mase-tech_2> the snapshot problem is solved
1826[20:30:49] <greycat> 14:18 greycat> "help bind"
1827[20:30:49] <greycat> 14:19 greycat> or, you add the appropriate syntax to your ~/.inputrc
1828[20:30:49] <no_gravity> cyveris: No
1829[20:31:02] <cyveris> no_gravity: Your nick isn't "greycat."
1830[20:31:30] <trek00> everyone is welcome
1831[20:31:51] <trek00> mase-tech_2: good!
1832[20:33:15] <no_gravity> I think I will remap all CTRL combos to ESC combosy. Much easier to reach.
1833[20:33:20] <mase-tech_2> And how I did it is a beauty
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1835[20:33:55] <mase-tech_2> noobs I recommand to have a 10 minute look at timeshift
1836[20:34:01] <mase-tech_2> super tool
1837[20:34:20] <mase-tech_2> install the 20.3 version
1838[20:34:24] <mase-tech_2> snapshot all day
1839[20:34:31] <mase-tech_2> trying testing
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1841[20:35:38] <annadane> ,v timeshift
1842[20:35:40] <judd> Package: timeshift on amd64 -- stretch-multimedia: 6.700-dmo2; buster: 19.01+ds-2; buster-proposed-updates: 19.01+ds-2+deb10u1; bullseye: 20.03+ds-2; sid: 20.03+ds-2
1843[20:35:51] <annadane> k, well, testing can break so that's up to you
1844[20:36:03] <mase-tech_2> no it is working
1845[20:36:03] <annadane> also i hope you're using pure testing and not mixing testing packages with stable
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1847[20:36:12] <mase-tech_2> I am mixing
1848[20:36:24] <mase-tech_2> I think
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1853[20:36:46] <annadane> ,depends timeshift --fromrelease bullseye
1854[20:36:47] <judd> (depends <packagename> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the packages that are listed as 'Depends' for a given package. By default, the current stable release and amd64 are used.
1855[20:36:57] <annadane> ,depends timeshift --release bullseye
1856[20:36:59] <judd> Package timeshift in bullseye/amd64 -- depends: psmisc, rsync, libc6 (>= 2.4), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libgee-0.8-2 (>= 0.8.3), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.37.3), libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.16.2), libjson-glib-1.0-0 (>= 0.13.2), libvte-2.91-0.
1857[20:37:07] <annadane> ,v libc6
1858[20:37:09] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u4; buster: 2.28-10; bullseye: 2.30-4; sid: 2.30-4; experimental: 2.31-0experimental0
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1860[20:37:23] <cyveris> !frankendebian
1861[20:37:24] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
1862[20:37:25] <annadane> well, maybe not that bad then. still, be careful
1863[20:38:06] <cyveris> mase-tech_2: And "it is working" does not imply that it will remain so.
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1866[20:39:53] <annadane> mixing packages is a good way to bork your system
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1870[20:43:09] <mase-tech_2> cyveris, true like the opposite
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1874[20:45:13] <mase-tech_2> without trying we don't know
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1878[20:49:52] <cyveris> Or... Use stable. ;)
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1897[21:10:45] <mase-tech_2> cyveris, stabel isnt working
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1909[21:17:21] <annadane> mase-tech_2, timeshift does have a buster-proposed-updates version
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1911[21:17:24] <annadane> maybe you should try that
1912[21:17:30] <annadane> and also, what about it isn't working?
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1922[21:24:55] <UNIm95> Hello i have troubles with network configuration. I cannot establish Internet connection. I have setup static IPv4 for local area. It works. I can connect/ping server in local network.
1923[21:24:55] <UNIm95> But i cannot ping outside local network. I tried to ping google via ip host was unreachable. I think that it is caused by my DS-Lite connection. I'm behind GC NAT. How can i make static IPv4 and dynamic IPv6?
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1925[21:25:48] <greycat> your gateway (default route) should be the inner IP address of the router, and the router has to be configured to do NAT (including IP forwarding)
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1930[21:26:59] <UNIm95> greycat: I have made this, ip192.168.2.15/24 gateway 192.168.2.1 dns 192.168.2.1 router web-interface is 192.168.2.1
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1932[21:27:17] <UNIm95> But ping are working only in local network
1933[21:27:32] <greycat> sounds like the router isn't routing properly, then
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1935[21:28:33] <UNIm95> greycat: Probably. It is DS-Lite connection. Main traffic goes thought IPv6 and my ISP is doing NAT'ting
1936[21:28:50] <annadane> !tell mase-tech_2 about proposed-updates
1937[21:29:08] <annadane> try the timeshift from buster-proposed-updates and see if it works
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1945[21:34:54] <chmykh> Ssso.
1946[21:35:22] <chmykh> I am back. Netinst with expert GUI installator - is very good installer.
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1950[21:37:34] <chmykh> Actually I think Debian is most comfortable distribution yet. The only cons at the moment - a bit outdated GNOME.
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1973[21:49:02] <mase-tech_2> annadane, ?
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1976[21:49:43] <annadane> mase-tech_2, check your PMs, dpkg ought to have told you about proposed-updates. there's a newer version of timeshift you can try, rather than use the one from testing
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2007[22:21:26] <nvz> ,v timeshift
2008[22:21:28] <judd> Package: timeshift on amd64 -- stretch-multimedia: 6.700-dmo2; buster: 19.01+ds-2; buster-proposed-updates: 19.01+ds-2+deb10u1; bullseye: 20.03+ds-2; sid: 20.03+ds-2
2009[22:22:01] <nvz> its the same version just patched
2010[22:22:08] <nvz> would have to consult the changelog for details
2011[22:22:17] <nvz> ,checkbackport timeshift
2012[22:22:18] <judd> Backporting package timeshift in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12).
2013[22:22:29] <nvz> seems like its backportable though
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2015[22:22:38] <nvz> ,v debhelper
2016[22:22:39] <judd> Package: debhelper on amd64 -- jessie: 9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie-security: 9.20150101+deb8u2; stretch: 10.2.5; stretch-backports: 12.1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 12.1.1; buster-backports: 12.9~bpo10+1; bullseye: 12.10; sid: 12.10
2017[22:22:48] <nvz> yeah, that needs fixed :P
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2021[22:23:16] <nvz> if this is supybot/limnoria and I had the code I could take a stab at it :P as that codebase is python
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2023[22:23:41] <crunchbang> Hi, any debian-based crunchbang users online ? how do i install crunchbang onto HDD, i booted from CD.
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2025[22:24:07] <greycat> !crunchbang
2026[22:24:07] <dpkg> CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
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2043[22:35:24] <McErroneous> Hi, how do i install debian-based "crunchbang 10" onto HDD, is there any command ?
2044[22:35:33] <greycat> are you fucking kidding me
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2055[22:38:23] <subcool> stupid Q. =- WHen i try to install debian 10- I keep getting an error with kernel mismatch modules
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2069[22:49:54] <somiaj> subcool: how are you trying to install debian?
2070[22:50:06] <subcool> usb
2071[22:50:28] <somiaj> give more information, what install image are you using, how did you copy the install image to the usb.
2072[22:50:35] <subcool> ive downloaded the dvd image, xfce live, gnome.
2073[22:51:11] <subcool> i use DD
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2075[22:51:35] <subcool> i am re-downloading the DVD with its sig now.
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2077[22:51:57] <subcool> replaced-url
2078[22:52:01] <somiaj> give the full name of the file name you downloaded and the exact dd command you ran to copy the image.
2079[22:52:14] <subcool> i dont know the command anymore.
2080[22:52:45] <subcool> dd if=start/iso of=/dev/sdx conv=sync
2081[22:53:16] <subcool> sometimes i use bs=512 -
2082[22:53:17] <somiaj> Well I don't have any ideas
2083[22:53:28] <somiaj> the install guide just suggests using cp, but I doubt that is an issue
2084[22:53:49] <subcool> every image i try to install, i get issues with kernelm odules
2085[22:54:02] <subcool> but- if i install kali, or parrot - im fine
2086[22:55:02] <somiaj> I haven't heard of anyone else having the issues you describe, and I didn't see anything out of the ordnary in what you have done.
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2089[22:55:34] <subcool> whats the method youd suggest
2090[22:55:43] <subcool> i always thought DD was the safest
2091[22:56:04] <greycat> dd is the most idiomatic/common/cargo-culted
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2093[22:56:22] <greycat> "everyone else used it so I thought it was the preferred solution"
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2095[22:56:43] <greycat> the main issue with dd is that it uses a tremendously small block size by default, because it's from the 1970s
2096[22:57:03] <greycat> if you override bs= to something non-minuscule, it's fine
2097[22:57:23] <subcool> ive been using it for 10 years because if i use all the software methods, every few years ONE of them doesnt like it.
2098[22:57:52] <subcool> i only use bs=512 because it works, when i use bs=1M - it goes berserk
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2100[22:58:15] <subcool> recently been getting into the conv=sync and... fstab=sync or something
2101[22:58:54] <subcool> but- i just dont get why im having isuees, but- brb. gf sent me to the store. (shes trying to make homemade burrito wraps. lol)
2102[22:59:04] <somiaj> subcool: "the install guide suggests using cp" -- that is the method I suggest, but I doubt that is the issue here.
2103[22:59:19] <subcool> cp? really? just CP?
2104[22:59:20] <subcool> ok
2105[22:59:24] <subcool> ill give it a go
2106[22:59:33] <subcool> couldnt hurt
2107[22:59:50] <subcool> anywasy brb - store cloeses soon.
2108[22:59:58] <subcool> thanks for the feed back.
2109[22:59:59] <somiaj> most likely not the issue, also if you share us the exact command you type it would be better than parphrasing it when we are trying to identify possible weird issues
2110[23:00:12] <knstn> Debian default installation comes with ufw & apparmor or firewalld & selinux?
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2113[23:00:46] <greycat> It comes with apparmor.
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2119[23:03:43] <somiaj> knstn: and no firewall
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2122[23:05:06] <sney> it's common to have iptables installed by default on a debian desktop (it is recommended by network-manager) but no firewall is enabled by default. Debian trusts the user to know what a firewall is for and whether or not it is appropriate for them.
2123[23:06:25] <somiaj> might want to update that to nftables now
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2129[23:11:21] <sney> still says iptables under recommends here: replaced-url
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2131[23:11:35] <sney> but yes I think iptables is currently provided by a nftables compat package anyway
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2141[23:21:56] <jhutchins> ,v iptables
2142[23:21:57] <judd> Package: iptables on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.21-2+b1; stretch: 1.6.0+snapshot20161117-6; stretch-backports: 1.6.2-1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.8.2-4; buster-backports: 1.8.3-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.8.4-3; sid: 1.8.4-3
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2149[23:31:16] <somiaj> package names seem to be in a strange place, I don't think iptables provides the iptables binary anymore, it just provides helper scripts (iptables-save, iptables-store)
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2151[23:33:05] <somiaj> Oh wait, I misunderstood the the release notes, iptables-legacy and iptables-nft are binaries (not pakcages) and both int he iptables package.
2152[23:33:16] <somiaj> where iptables-nft is default due to alternatives.
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2157[23:39:37] <GenTooMan> ok moving 300gb might be something to do overnight... heh
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