• 0[00:00:14] <dak> uhm k
• 1[00:00:22] <dak> you should check smarttools out
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• 3[00:00:34] <Bliepo> Do a long self test
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• 5[00:01:14] <FuZi0N> how?
• 6[00:01:29] <dak> install it?
• 7[00:01:35] <dak> replaced-url
• 8[00:01:37] <FuZi0N> and how do smarttools differ from the reading built into proxmox webui?
• 9[00:01:52] <dak> you dont need webui :)
• 10[00:01:57] <Bliepo> Install smartmontools (sudo apt install smartmontools) then do a self test (sudo smartctl -t long /dev/sd<X>)
• 11[00:02:11] <dak> i have never ued that proxmox crap
• 12[00:02:24] <FuZi0N> lol why is proxmox crap?
• 13[00:02:26] <dak> gui is for managers and bosses
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• 15[00:02:48] <dak> i dunno why not just use the tool that can tell you everything? some webui junk isnt going to have everything odds are
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• 20[00:03:19] <tds> proxmox just runs smartctl for you and attempts to parse some of the output and display it in a pretty web ui
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• 22[00:03:38] <Bliepo> GUI´s can be nice, but don´t always give the same level of control, in addition to taking system resources and being potential security exploits
• 23[00:03:45] <dak> ^
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• 25[00:04:41] <useretail> Bliepo, +1
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• 28[00:06:29] <dak> didnt cockpit jut have some rce?
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• 30[00:06:40] <dak> and webadmin
• 31[00:06:44] <dak> with the backdoor
• 32[00:08:14] <FuZi0N> Bliepo how do i check the status?
• 33[00:08:38] <Bliepo> sudo smartctl -a /dev/sd<X>
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• 37[00:10:48] <FuZi0N> how do i know once it's finished?
• 38[00:13:05] <Bliepo> It should report a percentage in the output - once it is done it will be listed in a list of completed self test
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• 40[00:14:14] <FuZi0N> I don't see the %... where is the list of completed self tests?
• 41[00:14:24] <Bliepo> replaced-url
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• 43[00:16:28] <useretail> FuZi0N, plz report here, i'm curious what's going on
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• 45[00:17:58] <dak> replaced-url
• 46[00:18:11] <dak> the debian wiki has been down for me i dunno if im blocked
• 47[00:19:12] <dak> replaced-url
• 48[00:19:35] <Bliepo> Few days back it was down for me as well, haven´t checked since
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• 50[00:19:39] <FuZi0N> root@prox6node01 ~ # smartctl -a /dev/nvme0n1 | grep status
• 51[00:19:39] <FuZi0N> root@prox6node01 ~ #
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• 53[00:19:47] <FuZi0N> didn't find anything...
• 54[00:20:05] <Bliepo> ls /dev | grep nvme
• 55[00:20:09] <dak> type df and see what your devices are
• 56[00:20:11] <dak> or mount
• 57[00:20:13] <dak> s
• 58[00:20:16] <dak> cuz that isnt right
• 59[00:20:22] <nvz> o.O
• 60[00:20:26] <dak> it should be sd*
• 61[00:20:40] <nvz> Bliepo: not ls /dev/nvme*
• 62[00:20:43] <FuZi0N> root@prox6node01 ~ # ls /dev | grep nvme
• 63[00:20:43] <FuZi0N> nvme0
• 64[00:20:43] <FuZi0N> nvme0n1
• 65[00:20:43] <FuZi0N> nvme0n1p1
• 66[00:20:43] <FuZi0N> nvme0n1p2
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• 69[00:20:51] <dak> wtf
• 70[00:20:58] <FuZi0N> nvme0n1p3
• 71[00:21:03] <Bliepo> nvz, that woud have worked as well
• 72[00:21:04] <coruja> !paste
• 73[00:21:04] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
• 74[00:21:10] <FuZi0N> sorry
• 75[00:21:16] <dak> do nvme0 i guess
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• 77[00:21:31] <Bliepo> Also nvme drives will be listed as nvme<m>p<n> in /dev
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• 79[00:21:43] <dak> dunno on my arch laptop its sd*
• 80[00:22:13] <dak> maybe this is a m2 not a nvme i dont even remember
• 81[00:22:44] <Bliepo> Could also be a distro/version difference
• 82[00:22:51] <FuZi0N> still can't find anything when i grep for status
• 83[00:23:13] <Bliepo> And if you do smartctl -a /dev/nvme0n1 | less
• 84[00:23:27] <FuZi0N> same
• 85[00:23:45] <Bliepo> Can you do a paste?
• 86[00:23:48] <Bliepo> Of the output?
• 87[00:23:55] <dak> pastebin it
• 88[00:23:58] * Bliepo goes to check smartctl on his own nvme
• 89[00:24:07] <dak> and dont grep anything
• 90[00:24:19] <tds> you probably want nvme0 rather than nvme0n1?
• 91[00:24:30] <FuZi0N> i tried both
• 92[00:24:31] <tds> iirc nvme0 will be the drive, nvme0n1 is just a namespace
• 93[00:24:48] <dak> and dont do -a do --all
• 94[00:25:13] <dak> tds thats what i thought
• 95[00:25:31] <Bliepo> Interesting, it does indeed not show the status of self test
• 96[00:25:32] <dak> he will figure it out :)
• 97[00:25:33] <FuZi0N> replaced-url
• 98[00:26:19] <dak> FuZi0N: how old is this?
• 99[00:26:21] <dak> Power On Hours: 5,234
• 100[00:26:37] <FuZi0N> server is less than a week old lol
• 101[00:26:43] <dak> wtf
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• 103[00:27:11] <dak> 19 power cycles tho
• 104[00:27:22] <FuZi0N> what it means?
• 105[00:27:25] <dak> it shoulda show you a lot more
• 106[00:27:34] <dak> does doing --all intead of -a show more?
• 107[00:27:59] <dak> smartctl --test=long /dev/nvme0
• 108[00:28:00] <tds> those should be the same, but -x / -xall might get you some more
• 109[00:28:09] <tds> --xall even
• 110[00:28:39] <dak> ya
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• 112[00:29:18] <FuZi0N> same
• 113[00:29:24] <Bliepo> From what I´m reading, self test using smartctl are not yet supported for nvme
• 114[00:29:48] <Bliepo> Instead, the nvme program form nvme-cli should be used
• 115[00:30:01] <dak> rma
• 116[00:30:15] <Bliepo> Some devices support nvme smart-log-add /dev/cnme0
• 117[00:30:34] <tds> I missed a lot of the previous discussion here, but if you can take this drive out of active use, I'd be tempted to do a badblocks run on it
• 118[00:30:40] <dak> if it new and its giving you problems already... return it.
• 119[00:31:03] <FuZi0N> im asking hetzner to replace it
• 120[00:31:20] <dak> goodluck they are fun to deal with from what i have heard
• 121[00:31:20] <FuZi0N> but they said their "extensive" 14 hours hardware test didnt report any issues
• 122[00:31:40] <Bliepo> Is that the only drive in the system?
• 123[00:32:27] <Bliepo> If not, you could try filling it with data that you checksummed before, then checksumming again to check for mismatches
• 124[00:32:32] <FuZi0N> i also have 2x4TB HDDs
• 125[00:32:49] <tds> ^^ badblocks is a great tool for doing that
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• 129[00:33:26] <Bliepo> tds, didn´t know there was a tool for that!
• 130[00:33:46] <FuZi0N> i've used badblocks in the bast
• 131[00:33:49] <FuZi0N> *past
• 132[00:33:57] <FuZi0N> takes a very long time for HDDs
• 133[00:34:02] <FuZi0N> never used it on a nvme though
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• 135[00:34:41] <Bliepo> Should be quite fast I´d think
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• 138[00:36:37] <tds> poor estimation, say the drive can do 1GB/s read or write, badblocks should write then read back 4 times normally, so that's only around 2 hours (though does require wiping the drive in the process)
• 139[00:37:44] <Bliepo> So it´s quite fast, just as I said
• 140[00:37:50] <Bliepo> Takes days with a big HDD
• 141[00:38:14] <tds> yeah
• 142[00:38:32] <dak> ive done it on ssd's it isnt that long
• 143[00:38:45] <tds> and that's pretty much assuming worst case, i'd expect nvmes to read/write a lot faster than that anyway :)
• 144[00:39:13] <dak> hetzner is not the best and i doubt they will change it without some pushing
• 145[00:39:40] <dak> is thi a seedbox?
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• 148[00:44:05] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. How do I find out how many sessions I am running? I rebooted my computer and I got a message saying a stop job for session 2 was running, and I didn't even know I had 2 sessions running.
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• 177[01:07:51] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: hey, it's 'loginctl list-sessions', and the loginctl has a bunch of other related commands
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• 181[01:09:08] <Lady_Aleena> Like what?
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• 184[01:10:31] <jmcnaught> 'loginctl sessions-status' for instance, try 'loginctl<TAB><TAB>' to get a sense of what it can do.
• 185[01:10:47] <Lady_Aleena> Also, when I rebooted, I was told my computer was resuming from hibernation.
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• 188[01:11:23] <jmcnaught> that message about hibernation is just a harmless bug
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• 192[01:11:56] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I rarely use more than 1 session. The last time I used it was when my gui froze and I wanted to restart my computer.
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• 194[01:12:23] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: I only have one session and it is also number 2, I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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• 196[01:12:46] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: on stretch loginctl used to list gdm3 as its own session, but not in buster.
• 197[01:12:56] <Lady_Aleena> Okay.
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• 324[03:35:17] <kiwi_73> Hey all! O
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• 326[03:36:03] <piercedwater> hi
• 327[03:36:11] <piercedwater> how's it going kiwi_73?
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• 330[03:37:08] <kiwi_73> *I'm on Debian Stretch and having internet trouble. All other devices besides the Debian machine are having no trouble with the internet. My wicd says I'm connected but I can't use browser or other net apps successfully
• 331[03:37:25] <kiwi_73> Aside from that pretty good thanks and yourself?
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• 334[03:38:43] <kiwi_73> I've tried changing supplicants between wext and nl80211... same thing happens either way. If I try ralink_legacy it says my password is wrong
• 335[03:39:24] <kiwi_73> The Debian machine can only connect when I plug directly ethernet into the router which is not desirable
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• 337[03:40:17] <kiwi_73> or only seem to show it's connected, like I said, it says I have decent connection as is but I can see no evidence of that
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• 340[03:46:43] <kiwi_73> The network in question is a WPA2
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• 343[03:52:36] <kiwi_73> any ideas?
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• 351[03:59:59] <kiwi_73> piercedwater?
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• 354[04:02:04] <piercedwater> I don't have any ideas, but someone else might if you stick around
• 355[04:02:16] <piercedwater> sorry
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• 372[04:21:17] <kiwi_73> alright, back tomorrow
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• 392[04:47:07] <ZaZaGX> hi
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• 423[05:31:31] <nvz> dvs: you speek portugese?
• 424[05:31:52] <nvz> speak even
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• 429[05:37:03] <nvz> they really need to remove wicd and stop using it for several of our DE its total junk. I'd tested wicd vs network-manager, vs tradional wpa_supplicant /etc/network/interfaces style and wicd has like a 50% at best success rate at connections
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• 431[05:37:48] <nvz> it will fail to connect, it will drop existing connections, it will randomly error out and if you're not running it from a terminal you won't even notice
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• 435[05:42:41] <nvz> its bad enough that with nearly 20 years experience using and supporting debian and being a lover of python and what wicd is TRYING to do, I just tell anyone who mentions it to remove it immediately and install network-manager-gnome
• 436[05:43:17] <nvz> I don't even bother figuring out if it is actually causing a problem cause in my experience with it, its so highly probable to cause network issues, its safer to just assume its the problem
• 437[05:43:31] <dvs> nvz, nope
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• 457[06:01:24] <karenmcd> just did a fresh install of debian 10 using july iso for xfce - after installation, i have a blinking curser at top of center monitor. it appears there's something wrong with the amdgpu and vega56 - but i don't know how to fix it
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• 460[06:03:32] <diogenes_> karenmcd, you used a live iso?
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• 462[06:07:37] <karenmcd> no, i used the debian 10 installation media, and selected xfce during installation
• 463[06:07:42] <karenmcd> the live iso won't boot
• 464[06:08:15] <karenmcd> diogenes_, sorry, forgot to tag you :p
• 465[06:08:30] <diogenes_> try booting with nomodeset
• 466[06:08:55] <karenmcd> i can alt F2 into a tty2
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• 468[06:09:59] <karenmcd> i tried X -configure then startx with that, and it fails.. i don't know how i'd upload my dmesg to pastebin without gui though for more help
• 469[06:10:28] <karenmcd> replaced-url
• 470[06:10:29] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 472[06:11:26] <diogenes_> then try booting with acpi=off
• 473[06:13:10] <karenmcd> i add that to end of kernel line in efi/EFI?
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• 475[06:13:44] <diogenes_> in grub linux line
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• 479[06:16:03] <karenmcd> like press e during boot and manually add it?
• 480[06:16:16] <diogenes_> yes
• 481[06:17:05] <diogenes_> there you also add nomodeset
• 482[06:17:22] <karenmcd> after quiet in linux line correct?
• 483[06:18:31] <diogenes_> yes
• 484[06:18:59] <diogenes_> then ctrl+x to boot
• 485[06:19:34] <karenmcd> okay, F10'd instead, but got an error about nomodeset - decrypted my disk, lots of stuff flew by and now im at same blinking curser
• 486[06:19:42] <karenmcd> i can still access tt2
• 487[06:19:47] <karenmcd> with alt F2
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• 489[06:20:46] <karenmcd> error says gpu drivers are disabled (in dmesg | less)
• 490[06:22:28] <diogenes_> what distro you were running previously?
• 491[06:24:21] <karenmcd> hmmm, that's a tough answer, ive been switching between manjaro, qubes and debian 10 over and over during the last 2 weeks - the main change i made this time is that my gtx 980 ti died, and i replaced it with vega 56 because it supports FLReset and AMD plays nice with open source drivers - so i thought i'd financially back them instead of nvidia this time
• 492[06:25:19] <karenmcd> manjaro boots and installs, but i prefer debian because i'm more familure with it and i know the software i want to run plays nice with it, as it's developed on debian
• 493[06:26:55] <diogenes_> karenmcd, do you happen to re-use the /home folder with all configs from previous installations?
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• 495[06:28:12] <karenmcd> this once i did not - i opted for a clean install
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• 498[06:29:51] <diogenes_> maybe try a different newer kernel from backports. this helped me once when i couldn't boot too.
• 499[06:30:08] <karenmcd> how would i go about installing 5.?
• 500[06:30:21] <karenmcd> im not familure with this process in debian 10
• 501[06:30:35] <diogenes_> do you have network acces in tty?
• 502[06:30:38] <karenmcd> yes
• 503[06:30:41] <karenmcd> i think.. one sec..
• 504[06:30:53] <diogenes_> ping google.com
• 505[06:30:56] <karenmcd> yes, ping debian.org works
• 506[06:31:22] <diogenes_> let's see in bot ha any factoid on that, not sure
• 507[06:31:24] <diogenes_> !kernel
• 508[06:31:26] <dpkg> Linux kernel versions, stable: 5.2.9, mainline: 5.3-rc5, stable 5.2: 5.2.9, stable 5.1: 5.1.21 (EOL), longterm 4.19: 4.19.67, longterm 4.14: 4.14.139, longterm 4.9: 4.9.189, longterm 4.4: 4.4.189, longterm 3.16: 3.16.73, linux-next: next-20190823
• 509[06:31:35] <nvz> what is it you're trying to do?
• 510[06:31:51] <karenmcd> okay, so 5.2.9 looks good
• 511[06:31:56] <diogenes_> yes
• 512[06:32:01] <nvz> thats not an option thats upstream info
• 513[06:32:52] <nvz> it would appear, and I'm not trying to be a dick about this, but you're talking to someone who doesn't know what they're doing here.. I do.. are you looking to install a 5.x kernel on buster?
• 514[06:33:00] <karenmcd> so how do i get 5.2.9 on my debian 10? from cli
• 515[06:33:27] <nvz> that will take a huge amount of time and hdd space cause you're going to have to compile it yourself
• 516[06:33:35] <nvz> 5.2.9 is not available for debian
• 517[06:34:01] <karenmcd> i have nvme on 4x and 32 gigs ram on 3.5ghz 6 core
• 518[06:34:03] <nvz> as I already stated you seem to be being misled by someone who is guessing
• 519[06:34:06] <karenmcd> i can do it
• 520[06:34:19] <nvz> its not about ram, its about HDD space
• 521[06:34:35] <nvz> and the time will be over an hour in configuring and you knowing how to do it
• 522[06:34:37] <karenmcd> 500gb on this nvme and it's a fresh install
• 523[06:34:55] <nvz> combing through options and knowing what they all are
• 524[06:34:57] <karenmcd> is there a tutorial i can follow step by step?
• 525[06:35:11] <nvz> no.. but there is built in help on each option
• 526[06:35:35] <nvz> and if you just stop getting all excited on misleading info and answer my question we can resolve this much simpler
• 527[06:35:41] <nvz> there is a 5.2 kernel in debian already built
• 528[06:35:44] <nvz> if thats what you want
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• 531[06:36:30] <diogenes_> nvz, i wasn't misleading anyone, i was trying to figure out what's going on so stop that bullshit and don't trynna look like a superhero.
• 532[06:36:36] <nvz> ,v linux-image-amd64
• 533[06:36:37] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u7; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9+80+deb9u8; stretch-backports: 4.19+105~bpo9+1; bullseye: 4.19+105; buster: 4.19+105; sid: 5.2+106
• 534[06:37:04] <nvz> diogenes_: I already said I'm not trying to be a dick about this, I'm just trying to stop a newbie from spending 4 hours trying to compile a kernel that will likely fail and not resolve anything
• 535[06:37:27] <diogenes_> so do that instead of trying to actually be "a d..."
• 536[06:37:40] <nvz> I'm trying to, they still haven't said if thats what they want to do
• 537[06:37:48] <diogenes_> i didn't claim i was super helpful and i don't mind when someone gets and corrects me.
• 538[06:38:00] <nvz> all I seen was you clearly not knowing what was available in debian I dont know what the real issue is here
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• 540[06:38:15] <nvz> but I can tell this person probably doesnt know how to compile a kernel nor do they probably really need/want to
• 541[06:38:30] <diogenes_> i just said from my experience that a newer kernel helped me in similar situation.
• 542[06:39:05] <diogenes_> and in any case if he can't boot anyway then what damage a newer kernel can do?
• 543[06:39:08] <karenmcd> sure, i'm willing to avoid building a kernel. maybe i can try building a kernel after i have a working desktop environment
• 544[06:39:09] <diogenes_> more than not booting?
• 545[06:39:11] <nvz> diogenes_: you;re probably right about that whatever the issue here is.. but they are getting really excited about something not avaliable and going down a really deep rabit hole here
• 546[06:39:46] <diogenes_> nvz, and that;s what i was trying to do next, to check the available pre-compiled kernels for debian.
• 547[06:40:04] <diogenes_> but you seems to have more knowledge to i step back and let you help the user.
• 548[06:40:14] <diogenes_> and i will learn from that too.
• 549[06:40:29] <nvz> I made screenshots on the process here earlier for someone replaced-url
• 550[06:41:22] <karenmcd> that's a really pretty DE you got there in those screen shots
• 551[06:41:38] <karenmcd> I have a TTY2 right now and TTY1 shows a "_" blinking
• 552[06:41:42] <nvz> if you download the kernel MANUALLY using your browser from replaced-url
• 553[06:41:54] <karenmcd> okay
• 554[06:41:57] <nvz> you can't even see the DE in those screenshots its only showing chromium :D
• 555[06:42:54] <karenmcd> so im guessing im using wget
• 556[06:43:07] <nvz> karenmcd: I can give you a direct link if you wanna do that
• 557[06:43:21] <nvz> karenmcd: do you want just the standard US mirror or any preference?
• 558[06:43:40] <karenmcd> nvz i need that as i have no gui on the bork machine :(
• 559[06:44:02] <nvz> karenmcd: yes well do you have a preference as to mirror or country?
• 560[06:44:21] <karenmcd> id prefer the main deb.debian.org i think is the one?
• 561[06:44:53] <nvz> thats not a mirror its a CDN
• 562[06:45:23] <nvz> its not an option on p.d.o but I could reformat the link for it if you want
• 563[06:45:43] <nvz> replaced-url
• 564[06:46:15] <nvz> karenmcd: now here is the deal with this.. if you NEED it due to hw issues as diogenes_ suggests, and they are probably right about that.. idk.. I haven't followed your issue..
• 565[06:46:28] <nvz> but this will not be getting any security updates, its manually installed
• 566[06:46:50] <nvz> hopefully in the near future it will be backported but as of right now its only in sid and you're installing it manually
• 567[06:47:23] <karenmcd> so i happen to be in my sources.list
• 568[06:47:29] <nvz> karenmcd: NO
• 569[06:47:38] <nvz> do not use the sources list for this :D
• 570[06:47:39] <karenmcd> how do i add it so it's auto updated?
• 571[06:47:47] <nvz> karenmcd: you will break your system
• 572[06:47:52] <karenmcd> ok
• 573[06:47:57] <nvz> you can't mix sources for stable and unstable
• 574[06:48:24] <nvz> if you do this the best option is just to monitor the updates yourself and manually install them to avoid breaking the system
• 575[06:48:37] <nvz> if you compiled you'd have to do the same only it would take way longer
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• 577[06:49:36] <nvz> so this is certainly an option, but it does make you lose certain benefits like auto updates of the kernel and it slightly complicates support.. make sure any hardware related issues you need support with you mention you're using this kernel and not the stock one
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• 579[06:50:54] <nvz> karenmcd: it is possible to add a sid source an pin the package but this is a bit more advanced apt usage and if you don't do it right you can badly and irreversibly break your system so cross that bridge later if you must.. first make sure this is actually something you need by trying it out safely and manually
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• 581[06:51:47] <karenmcd> just making sure there's not a typo there..
• 582[06:52:12] <karenmcd> your link says linux-image-5.2.0-2-amd64_5.2.9-2_amd64.deb
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• 584[06:52:33] <karenmcd> just noting that there's a 0 in one and a 9 in the second
• 585[06:53:00] <nvz> karenmcd: I copied the link from packages.debian.org then changed the first part of the url to deb.debian.org as you requested
• 586[06:53:06] <nvz> as all mirrors are organized the same
• 587[06:53:21] <nvz> and deb.debian.org (the CDN) is not an option on the links on p.d.o only the actual mirrors
• 588[06:54:57] <nvz> debian does weird mangling of version numbers at times because they're applying their own patches and trying to maintain a consistent version..
• 589[06:55:25] <karenmcd> nvz, apt install didn't work, but dpkg -i did work
• 590[06:55:57] <nvz> karenmcd: did you wget the package then put the package name in the command?
• 591[06:56:01] <karenmcd> lets reboot and see if it worked
• 592[06:56:08] <nvz> uh no :P
• 593[06:56:23] <nvz> oh wait, you said dpkg -i /did/ work :D
• 594[06:56:43] <nvz> well then yeah, you can reboot, and you should still have your buster kernel there in a submenu in case it doesnt boot
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• 597[06:57:16] <nvz> karenmcd: if you are needing to build a driver, you will need the corresponding header package as well
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• 601[06:57:49] <nvz> I still don't know what your original issue is, I was just trying to stop you from chasing a white rabit down a hole
• 602[06:58:10] <karenmcd> i have a blinking curser after a fresh install of debian 10
• 603[06:58:18] <VadPerevad> guys, how to convert md to pdf?
• 604[06:58:24] <nvz> linux kernel compiling is something I recommend anyone giving a go at.. but not to solve an issue as someone who hasn't done it before
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• 606[06:58:44] <nvz> karenmcd: a blinking cursor? :P
• 607[06:58:54] <nvz> VadPerevad: md?
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• 610[06:59:03] <karenmcd> the only thing I changed since my last fresh install of debian 10 was using a vega 56 instead of a dead gtx 980 ti
• 611[06:59:11] <VadPerevad> nvz, markdown
• 612[06:59:19] <nvz> VadPerevad: yeah.. markdown isn't a thing
• 613[06:59:29] <nvz> its plain text with arbitrary syntax
• 614[06:59:35] <nvz> just like markup
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• 616[06:59:46] <nvz> xml, html, etc.. are all markup and all different languages
• 617[07:00:15] <karenmcd> nvz, this didn't fix it - so like i said when i started asking for help - it seems like the issue is covered here and looks similar to my issue... replaced-url
• 618[07:00:16] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 619[07:00:18] <nvz> VadPerevad: I knew what md signifies, I was just looking for more detail on what you meant and what you hoped to achieve
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• 621[07:01:23] <karenmcd> i don't totally understand what they are all talking about in that bug report - but it appears i need to remove and re-install the amdgpu firmware?
• 622[07:01:38] <VadPerevad> nvz, i want to achieve pdf-document created by vim
• 623[07:01:55] <karenmcd> and i see they are talking about non-free drivers in there, but i'd rather not use the non-free ones if at all possible nvz
• 624[07:02:19] <nvz> karenmcd: is this really new hardware? like ryzen graphics or something?
• 625[07:02:31] <nvz> karenmcd: I assume you tried these sorts of kernel params it suggests
• 626[07:02:41] <VadPerevad> nvz, simplest as i see - is to create .md and convert it to .pdf
• 627[07:03:35] <karenmcd> nvz, yes, everything here is all really new hardware - x99 chipset - nvme x4 ssd - vega10 chipset gpu - and intel i7
• 628[07:03:43] <nvz> VadPerevad: yes well can you be more SPECIFIC.. in the simplest sense a pdf is just a file full of indexed images, in the more complex sense it contains forms that can be filled out, links etc..
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• 630[07:04:12] <nvz> the only reason I see for anyhting like markdown is to specific special formatting or such
• 631[07:04:43] <VadPerevad> nvz, i need only rtf support in my document, images and headings
• 632[07:05:15] <nvz> ah.. ok.. that makes sense I guess
• 633[07:06:42] <nvz> VadPerevad: this is what latex was designed for.. pandoc comes to mind
• 634[07:06:44] <karenmcd> Welp - manjaro boots, so i guess it's back to manjaro until my video card works on debian
• 635[07:06:45] <nvz> ,i pandoc
• 636[07:06:47] <judd> Package pandoc (text, optional) in buster/amd64: general markup converter. Version: 2.2.1-3+b2; Size: 14380.7k; Installed: 113143k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 637[07:07:21] <nvz> karenmcd: so if you tried a newer kernel, that bug report suggest the firmware is the issue.. try newer firmware too
• 638[07:07:45] <nvz> karenmcd: you want a link for the sid firmware-amd-graphics package?
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• 640[07:08:29] <karenmcd> that would be helpful sure - i'll try that before giving up
• 641[07:08:36] <nvz> karenmcd: replaced-url
• 642[07:08:39] <VadPerevad> nvz, thanks, i'm looking at pandoc right now
• 643[07:08:41] <nvz> ,v firmware-amd-graphics
• 644[07:08:42] <judd> Package: firmware-amd-graphics on amd64 -- jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-1~bpo9+2; buster/non-free: 20190114-1; buster-proposed-updates/non-free: 20190114-2; bullseye/non-free: 20190717-1; sid/non-free: 20190717-1
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• 646[07:09:35] <nvz> karenmcd: if its kernel related its gotta be one of the two.. and if nothing else you can look and see what firmware this manjaro uses.. the firmware is typically a single file in /lib/firmware/ you can bring over
• 647[07:09:35] <karenmcd> nvz, is there a free firmware that i could use instead?or is the fix only non-free?
• 648[07:10:01] <nvz> karenmcd: if the card requires firmware, it'd be part of the kernel unless it were non-free
• 649[07:10:13] <nvz> karenmcd: any free firmware you already installed with the kernel
• 650[07:10:57] <karenmcd> so strange, because i select free firmware when booting manjaro - i will look at lib/firmware to see what's going on in the manjaro live distro here
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• 652[07:11:51] <nvz> karenmcd: do something like dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999 from both if you can.. that will give us something to compare and contrast
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• 654[07:12:34] <karenmcd> nvz, is that how i pastebin from the terminal! ? this is great
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• 657[07:14:14] <nvz> karenmcd: yes if you have netcat installed
• 658[07:14:17] <karenmcd> nvz, replaced-url
• 659[07:14:26] <nvz> karenmcd: thats what debian or manjaro?
• 660[07:14:48] <karenmcd> that's debian
• 661[07:15:00] <karenmcd> manjaro coming in a sec
• 662[07:15:11] <nvz> karenmcd: alright well if you say you have a manjaro live, we should be able to maybe tell something comparing the two
• 663[07:15:31] <nvz> karenmcd: but I'd certainly try with the newer firmware package to see cause that bug is closed
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• 665[07:16:16] <nvz> karenmcd: but either way the kernels and firmware are not real tightly integrated we can pull that stuff easily from another distro.. the xorg stuff on the other hand is a lot trickier
• 666[07:17:02] <karenmcd> nvz, frankly, i bought the vega 56 because i want to not have proprietary/non-free firmware - i just didn't realize i got a video card that was so new that out of the box support was going to be a bit of a challenge
• 667[07:17:09] <nvz> karenmcd: you may if the new kernel/firmware doesn't solve it just be able to run bullseye or sid and resolve your issue to get newer xorg which is typically what these spinoffs are based off of..
• 668[07:18:13] <nvz> karenmcd: I been using Debian since late 2002 and I typically try stay 5 years behind on hardware to be sure its been well tested.. heh.. I have a 2013 Thinpad T440 and I'm amazed by its performance
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• 670[07:18:56] <karenmcd> yeah, my T420 runs Qubes 4.0.1 great too - i hear yea
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• 672[07:19:13] <nvz> not only do you have the advantage of the bugs being identified and usually ironed out but the hardware is MUCH cheaper.. you can get this machine for like $150 or less easy which is like 1/10th its original price
• 673[07:19:19] <karenmcd> but it doesn't run CS:GO worth a sh!t :p
• 674[07:20:05] <karenmcd> and xenotic is way more fun with fx cranked
• 675[07:20:23] <nvz> karenmcd: if modern gaming is your main concern debian stable may not be for you.. you might want to run testing/unstable
• 676[07:20:47] <nvz> karenmcd: you doing this with steam linux or wine/crossover?
• 677[07:20:55] <karenmcd> no wine/proton
• 678[07:21:07] <karenmcd> just native linux support or i won't install it
• 679[07:21:21] <nvz> hmm I never even heard of proton.. interesting
• 680[07:21:35] <karenmcd> proton = steams version of wine if im not mistaken
• 681[07:21:35] <nvz> they are making real efforts to support linux over there at valve I guess :D
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• 683[07:21:48] <nvz> seems like it
• 684[07:21:52] <Jmabsd> what is the name of the tool whereby you look up in which package a given executable exists again
• 685[07:22:11] <nvz> ,i apt-file
• 686[07:22:12] <judd> Package apt-file (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: search for files within Debian packages (command-line interface). Version: 3.2.2; Size: 37.6k; Installed: 90k; Screenshot: replaced-url
• 687[07:22:19] <nvz> ,file bin/bash
• 688[07:22:25] <judd> Search for bin/bash in buster/amd64: bash: bin/bash
• 689[07:22:46] <Jmabsd> nvz: I don't have apt-flie
• 690[07:22:51] <Jmabsd> file
• 691[07:23:04] <Jmabsd> i thought there was some bundled tool for it
• 692[07:23:07] <nvz> its an optional package
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• 694[07:23:16] <nvz> you can search with dpkg -S if the package is installed
• 695[07:23:19] <Jmabsd> isn't there some bundled package
• 696[07:23:21] <Jmabsd> ah. it's not.
• 697[07:23:29] <nvz> not that I'm aware of..
• 698[07:23:40] <Jmabsd> "autoreconf" is which package
• 699[07:23:43] <nvz> its not the kind of feature that your typical user needs
• 700[07:23:51] <nvz> ,file autoreconf
• 701[07:23:55] <judd> Search for autoreconf in buster/amd64: autoconf: usr/bin/autoreconf; dh-autoreconf: usr/bin/dh_autoreconf; debmake: usr/share/debmake/extra0override/autoreconf; bash-completion: usr/share/bash-completion/completions/autoreconf
• 702[07:24:22] <nvz> Jmabsd: you can always use judd /msg judd file autoreconf
• 703[07:24:36] <karenmcd> nvz sorry about the delay - installing netcat on manjaro caused a full system update/upgrade - im interested to comare the dmesgs myself too
• 704[07:24:37] <Jmabsd> mhm
• 705[07:24:38] <nvz> Jmabsd: you can also use the packages.debian.org or UDD websites
• 706[07:25:09] <nvz> karenmcd: other than losing the other link in the ether its not a big deal.. but its in my backlog easily locatable
• 707[07:25:28] <nvz> karenmcd: I'd be more interested in seeing if the firmware from sid resolves this issue or not first
• 708[07:26:11] <nvz> karenmcd: I am a Debian user.. I seek debian solutions first :D
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• 710[07:26:58] <karenmcd> i've been learning i have to compartmentalize my systems - qubes just wouldn't let me do a gpu passthrough, and i think it has something to do with how new the hardware is im running
• 711[07:27:19] <nvz> karenmcd: testing/unstable may be your thing though.. but as you seem to be a newbie there are some things I'd want to inform you of if you want to go that route
• 712[07:27:49] <karenmcd> well, im guessing that testing/unstable is probably something like manjaro in that it described rolling releases
• 713[07:28:04] <karenmcd> and that sometimes a release breaks your os
• 714[07:28:41] <nvz> its probably similar but there are some additional things to know.. like first of all we don't support it in #debian on OFTC or Freenode, its supported on OFTC in #debian-next thats the first key difference
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• 716[07:29:04] <karenmcd> okay, that's good to know, i'll join now
• 717[07:29:06] <nvz> also there is the issue of slush.. which right now is a bit of an issue
• 718[07:29:31] <karenmcd> oh, nevermind, it's invite only
• 719[07:29:47] <nvz> karenmcd: wrong server you're on Freenode, its on OFTC, the official debian network
• 720[07:30:06] <nvz> karenmcd: this used to be the official server, Debian moved to OFTC
• 721[07:30:21] <karenmcd> oooo oftc
• 722[07:30:29] <karenmcd> yeah, oftc does tor if i recall too
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• 724[07:31:27] <nvz> the way debian's system works is we bring new stuff into sid/unstable and if it goes 5-10 days without release-critical bugs, its moved to testing, then every so often, usually about 2 years, once significant changes have been made, the release team anounces a freeze schedule.. and testing is frozen and bugs are ironed out for it to become the next stable release at which point no versions change, only
• 725[07:31:33] <nvz> security updates are made
• 726[07:31:41] <nvz> during this freeze and shortly thereafter, we have whats known as slush
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• 729[07:32:07] <karenmcd> replaced-url
• 730[07:32:09] <nvz> testing/unstable become slushy in that they are tied up by transititions and release directives.. and they are more buggy
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• 732[07:32:43] <nvz> but when the slush has melted, testing/unstable is mostly smooth sailing if you know a bit and are careful
• 733[07:33:38] <nvz> karenmcd: ok, well right off the bat I see manjaro is using the same 4.19 branch as stretch-backports and buster
• 734[07:35:30] <nvz> karenmcd: at 8.78-8.79 seconds the manjaro is finding the firmware
• 735[07:35:49] <nvz> debian however on 5.2 is saying its not finding firmware for the amdgpu
• 736[07:36:26] <nvz> karenmcd: you also have non-free wifi firmware it seems
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• 738[07:39:24] <nvz> karenmcd: based on the firmware stuff in manjaro those firmware are only for the VCE and UVD which are both enhancements for encoding/decoding video
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• 740[07:40:43] <nvz> karenmcd which while such extensions are very important accelerators in modern graphics use, its not something that should be resulting in a total faliure to use the hw
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• 747[07:43:26] <nvz> karenmcd: really I still say you need to try the sid firmware package and see how that goes
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• 749[07:47:53] <karenmcd> thanks, will write back tomorrow ive got a friend over and we're going to watch sorry to bother you by boots riley
• 750[07:48:20] <nvz> karenmcd: alright
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• 858[09:34:10] <ZaZaGX> hi
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• 916[10:22:40] <ZaZaGX> anyone up?
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• 919[10:28:52] <Habbie> ZaZaGX, just ask your question
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• 921[10:30:26] <ZaZaGX> my question is an ubuntu one
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• 932[10:39:26] <lowin> Hi. I installed debian 10 armhf using debootstrap on an embedded device. It works almost fine but ssh service takes a long time to start. the systemd service times out a couple of times and then starts normally. Can't find any error messages it sort of just hangs. Any idea what might be wrong?
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• 935[10:40:08] <lowin> I'm guessing it might have something to do with system not having enough random data after bootup?
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• 938[10:42:46] <diogenes_> lowin, maybe you need haveged.
• 939[10:44:22] <alkisg> If you stop it / start it much later manually, it starts fast?
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• 941[10:45:26] <lowin> Installing haveged solved the problem. thanks
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• 946[10:46:59] <ZaZaGX> wow that was fast
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• 992[11:31:07] <root__> Hi
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• 995[11:31:42] <root__> i need a small help regarding box 10.11.1.14
• 996[11:31:47] <root__> priv escalation part
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• 999[11:34:03] <Habbie> root__, are you sure you're in the right channel?
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• 1002[11:35:44] <Sepultura> where is the wrong arguement? sudo mount -t cifs -o user=name,password=secret //192.168.1.1 /media/Data/
• 1003[11:36:31] <ZaZaGX> i think he is talking about that show, mr. robot with his kali linux box
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• 1005[11:38:19] <Habbie> Sepultura, please check dmesg
• 1006[11:38:43] <useretail> Sepultura, you have space after IP
• 1007[11:39:19] <nvz> Sepultura: there is no share
• 1008[11:39:34] <nvz> you don't mount an ip address, you mount a share
• 1009[11:40:55] <useretail> nvz, right, or it's just share path is missing
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• 1012[11:46:34] <nvz> Sepultura: I'd also advise against using that sudo...password thing
• 1013[11:48:09] <useretail> sudo mount -t cifs -o user=name,password=secret //192.168.1.1/your_share_name /media/Data/
• 1014[11:49:42] <nvz> no its sudo mount -t cifs -o username=user,credentials=/path/to/0600/root/owned/file //ip/share /mount/point
• 1015[11:50:02] <nvz> running sudo suggests you are doing this as a user which means that command is going into an unpriv history file
• 1016[11:50:32] <nvz> the credentials= option is so you can specify a file that contains the credentials and you can make this file readable only by root
• 1017[11:51:21] <nvz> you can put the username,domain,password into a credentials file.. but you want to at least put the password there
• 1018[11:51:30] <nvz> if you either use sudo mount or fstab
• 1019[11:52:16] <useretail> nvz, yes, that's correct way
• 1020[11:52:38] <useretail> but for testing, i'd go with password option
• 1021[11:53:07] <nvz> I'm pretty sure if you dont specify it, it will ask without echoing
• 1022[11:55:16] <ZaZaGX> omg, i just found out mac os is not that secure, is debian more safe?
• 1023[11:55:44] <useretail> ZaZaGX, sure, if you know how to secure it
• 1024[11:56:28] <nvz> WIDHE
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• 1028[12:00:26] <ZaZaGX> i'm not sure
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• 1033[12:03:40] <ZaZaGX> how do i secure a debian machine?
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• 1036[12:04:34] <useretail> ZaZaGX, replaced-url
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• 1039[12:05:16] <touki> Hi there. A problem with buster, that I did not have with stretch. My laptop is overheating (60 degrees without much activity).
• 1040[12:05:48] <diogenes_> touki, gnome?
• 1041[12:05:58] <touki> diogenes_: indeed.
• 1042[12:06:12] <diogenes_> no wonder then.
• 1043[12:06:26] <touki> diogenes_: why?
• 1044[12:06:45] <touki> diogenes_: the new gnome is more demanding?
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• 1046[12:07:09] <diogenes_> because it installs so many additional services and stuff that it's overwhelming, unattended-upgrades is one that comes to mind.
• 1047[12:07:25] <touki> diogenes_: a way to solve that?
• 1048[12:07:49] <useretail> touki, sudo apt remove --purge gnome*
• 1049[12:07:55] <diogenes_> lol
• 1050[12:07:59] <touki> ^
• 1051[12:08:04] <touki> ^
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• 1053[12:08:22] <touki> any less radical?
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• 1055[12:08:30] <useretail> touki, try asking in gnome channel
• 1056[12:08:55] <Sepultura> solved
• 1057[12:09:00] <diogenes_> try looking in: sudo powertop the device state tab and see what is using the most power, then look in gnome-system-mnitor for cpu demanding processes, then look in systemctl list-units for any suspicious services to disable.
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• 1061[12:11:30] <touki> and what, you would go for XFCE or LXDE, instead?
• 1062[12:11:57] * useretail uses KDE
• 1063[12:12:58] * diogenes_ thinks xfce rocks and the newest 4.14 rocks even more.
• 1064[12:14:25] <BCMM> touki: does your laptop have a discrete gpu? if so, what driver are you using for it?>
• 1065[12:14:36] <BCMM> it's possible that you don't have power management working properly for the GPU
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• 1067[12:15:15] <touki> BCMM: no gpu. MacBook Air, but I believe the problem does not come from there, the only non-standard firmware I had to install is for WiFi.
• 1068[12:16:29] <f8e3_> anyone too: W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
• 1069[12:16:30] <f8e3_> 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.112.204 80]
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• 1077[12:27:11] <ZaZaGX> i'm not sure how to secure my debian machine
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• 1079[12:28:27] <useretail> ZaZaGX, then Windows or MacOS would better for you
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• 1083[12:30:17] <ZaZaGX> I can't afford both
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• 1085[12:30:34] <ZaZaGX> or either or
• 1086[12:30:49] <touki> this being said, I have an ACPI error (needed type, AE_AML_OPERAND_TYPE, Method parse/execution), whenever I boot (this was also the case with stretch, but I never bothered, so I doubt it has to do with the heating).
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• 1089[12:32:07] <useretail> ZaZaGX, then develop your own OS
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• 1092[12:33:51] <kirk781> Huh, I installed an app via snap but it never showed up in menu listings or starting via command line. I had to manually download the .deb ultimately
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• 1095[12:35:10] <useretail> ZaZaGX, replaced-url
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• 1099[12:38:27] <ZaZaGX> thanks
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• 1110[12:44:50] <Jmabsd> Let's see how do you add an empty detached cdrom drive using virt-install hm
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• 1118[12:53:44] <no_gravity> Hello! There was a regression in libsane 1.027 that breaks my scanner. Would it be possible to scan from a docker image with an older Debian version?
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• 1121[12:55:08] <useretail> no_gravity, just get a package from oldstable
• 1122[12:55:25] <no_gravity> useretail: The libsane 1.025 package?
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• 1125[12:56:18] <useretail> no_gravity, yes, looks like it's 1.0.25-4.1
• 1126[12:56:34] <no_gravity> useretail: How would I do that?
• 1127[12:56:58] <useretail> no_gravity, but i would report it to libsane devs
• 1128[12:57:23] <useretail> so they could include support for your scanner in next release
• 1129[12:57:26] <no_gravity> useretail: The bug is well discussed around the net. Example: replaced-url
• 1130[12:57:50] <no_gravity> At the bottom it says "This bug was fixed in the package sane-backends - 1.0.27-3.2ubuntu2"
• 1131[12:57:56] <no_gravity> But I don't know what that means.
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• 1133[13:01:04] <useretail> no_gravity, looks like it's fixed and currently is in sid
• 1134[13:01:32] <no_gravity> useretail: I have Debian 10.
• 1135[13:02:05] <useretail> sane-backends in buster is 1.0.27-3.2)
• 1136[13:02:28] <useretail> so it should be fixed
• 1137[13:02:46] <no_gravity> Oh, maybe this machine is not Debian 10 then. Let me check ..
• 1138[13:03:12] <no_gravity> How do I check my libsane version?
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• 1140[13:04:06] <useretail> dpkg -s sane-backends | grep '^Version:'
• 1141[13:04:07] <dpkg> There is no record of a sane-backends | grep '^Version:' package
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• 1143[13:04:31] <pasiz> sane-config --version
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• 1145[13:04:45] <no_gravity> dpkg-query: package 'sane-backends' is not installed and no information is available
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• 1148[13:05:11] <no_gravity> sane-config: command not found
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• 1151[13:06:05] <pasiz> dpkg -s libsane-common
• 1152[13:06:06] <dpkg> Badgers ate my libsane-common!
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• 1154[13:06:43] <useretail> no_gravity, apt-cache policy libsane
• 1155[13:07:35] <no_gravity> useretail: Installed: (none)
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• 1157[13:08:17] <no_gravity> pasiz: Hmm.. that looks like 1.0.27-1
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• 1159[13:08:40] <useretail> also do lsb_release -a
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• 1161[13:09:41] <no_gravity> Hmm.. I see. It's a Mint machine.
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• 1175[13:21:45] <touki> hey. trying to move from gnome tu xfce on Buster. how can I get xfce to appear in the display manager?
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• 1178[13:22:41] <ratrace> touki: i think you have to restart gdm (or reboot) to have it pick up additional DEs, then look for the cog icon on login, next to the login button
• 1179[13:23:06] <ratrace> this assumes xfce installed along gdm/gnome
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• 1184[13:24:03] <touki> ratrace: indeed, I am on Gnome, I just installed XFCE. I reboot already, but I did not see the cog icon on login. I'll watch again.
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• 1190[13:25:12] <cnnx> ubuntu dropped support for 32bit but debian is keeping it right? i want to develop a program on a 20 year old Pentium 3 1ghz computer
• 1191[13:25:15] <cnnx> is this possible
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• 1193[13:26:27] <ratrace> touki: iirc you have to click that "I'm not ..." or whatsitcalled button, so you're switched to the user selection screen first
• 1194[13:26:35] <ratrace> cnnx: yes
• 1195[13:26:48] <cnnx> ratrace: how long will they keep supporting 32bit?
• 1196[13:26:52] <cnnx> (debian)
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• 1200[13:27:35] <ratrace> cnnx: no plans to deprecate it as of yet, and if there will be, i'm guessing it'll be at least one, if not two stable releases in advance.
• 1201[13:27:45] <ratrace> meaning, at least not for the next 4 years, definitely.
• 1202[13:27:51] <cnnx> okay
• 1203[13:28:18] <ratrace> what might happen is debian dropping 32-bit isos/installers first, but not multilib support which btw, is what ubuntu is doing, they aren't removing multilib, so 32-bit programs will still run.
• 1204[13:28:18] <cnnx> maybe i should just use 64bit just to future proof my work
• 1205[13:28:35] <ratrace> cnnx: definitely. use 32-bit only if you really really really must.
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• 1208[13:30:01] <Abdullah> toucpad
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• 1210[13:30:29] <Abdullah> touchpad stops working after some time.
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• 1224[13:50:33] <useretail> Abdullah, may be related to kernel
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• 1228[13:53:38] <Jmabsd> "escape" (as in bring Telnet/SSH into command mode) is supposed to be which key combination?
• 1229[13:54:14] <Habbie> Jmabsd, different key combinations for both
• 1230[13:54:17] <Habbie> Jmabsd, which one?
• 1231[13:54:27] <Jmabsd> Habbie: actually right now virsh console
• 1232[13:54:45] <useretail> Jmabsd, ctrl+]
• 1233[13:54:58] <Jmabsd> ah, this keyboard mapping has no ] key
• 1234[13:55:14] <Habbie> try ctrl-5
• 1235[13:55:23] <Habbie> longer list here replaced-url
• 1236[13:55:25] <Jmabsd> OH, ctrl-5 did kill it. hm!
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• 1244[14:00:50] <touki> the crazy heating seems to have been related to gnome, it disappears with xfce.
• 1245[14:01:46] <useretail> touki, try to report in #gnome
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• 1247[14:02:29] <useretail> maybe they implemeneted some bitcoin mining? :D
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• 1250[14:03:51] <touki> useretail: will do!
• 1251[14:04:09] <touki> might be :p good idea for crowdounding DEs.
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• 1254[14:05:07] <nvz> they implemented so much suckage it formed a black hole is what I prefer to believe if we're guessing
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• 1265[14:11:51] <oo_miguel> which prlimits/ulimits apply to a single process (against which are systemwide)? I understand that nofile and nproc are added alltogether right?
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• 1283[14:25:31] <Jmabsd> re libvirt: In UEFI mode SeaBios will *NOT* be used right?
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• 1286[14:26:43] <ivanm_2> /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER ivanm_2 nealmcmwiusx
• 1287[14:28:13] <ivanm_2> /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER ivanm_2 nealmcmwiusx
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• 1289[14:29:18] <useretail> ivanm_2, remove space in front of your command
• 1290[14:29:28] <oo_miguel> and change your password :P
• 1291[14:29:32] <useretail> lol
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• 1320[14:52:30] <Mazhive> can some one tell me what i can use to set up a fileserver /streamserver concerning the filesystem xfs/zfs/btrfs/lvm+ext4+mergfs being used on harddisks nowadays. I need redundancy. allthough it is needed i dont need double parity or double mirroring.My main concern is i need to add disks any time i can.
• 1321[14:53:05] <Mazhive> any advice would be appreciated.
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• 1336[15:15:13] <simba_> how can i install banshee or some itunes alternative on buster? it's not in the repos after stretch
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• 1339[15:16:32] <Habbie> ,v banshee
• 1340[15:16:33] <judd> Package: banshee on amd64 -- jessie: 2.6.2-3; stretch: 2.6.2-6.1
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• 1344[15:17:26] <simba_> also amarok
• 1345[15:17:31] <simba_> ,v amarok
• 1346[15:17:32] <judd> Package: amarok on amd64 -- jessie: 2.8.0-2.1+b1; stretch: 2.8.0-8
• 1347[15:17:50] <Habbie> simba_, rhythmbox then?
• 1348[15:18:06] <simba_> i know how to install a buster package on stretch, but not a stretch app on buster
• 1349[15:18:17] <simba_> Habbie, it's not detecting my apple device
• 1350[15:18:29] <Habbie> ah, i assumed you wanted to play some mp3s
• 1351[15:18:32] <Habbie> but you really want to manage a device
• 1352[15:18:37] <Habbie> what device is it?
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• 1354[15:18:56] <simba_> iphone/ipod iphone 6 or 7 not sure.
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• 1360[15:22:57] <simba__> sorry, buster crashed lol
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• 1371[15:28:06] <CrystalMath> i'm still sad about XMSS
• 1372[15:28:08] <CrystalMath> *XMMS
• 1373[15:28:14] <CrystalMath> i mean, xmms1
• 1374[15:28:31] <Habbie> beep boop
• 1375[15:28:50] <dvs> the player?
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• 1378[15:29:22] <CrystalMath> replaced-url
• 1379[15:29:23] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1380[15:29:27] <CrystalMath> dvs: yes
• 1381[15:30:17] <dvs> meh
• 1382[15:31:25] <CrystalMath> amarok was removed because "Obsolete libs - Qt4, no Qt5 release"
• 1383[15:31:35] <CrystalMath> uh oh, i don't like this, did debian kill qt4?
• 1384[15:31:45] <CrystalMath> apparently not
• 1385[15:31:50] <CrystalMath> i can still compile qt4 apps
• 1386[15:32:23] <dvs> is amarok linked agains qt4 binaries?
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• 1388[15:32:32] <CrystalMath> yes
• 1389[15:32:40] <CrystalMath> well idk
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• 1391[15:32:45] <CrystalMath> it's not in debian anymore
• 1392[15:32:47] <CrystalMath> it was removed
• 1393[15:32:57] <CrystalMath> because of a qt4 dependency
• 1394[15:33:01] <CrystalMath> except qt4 still exists
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• 1396[15:33:15] <samba35> is dpdk replace or capible to replace sriov or dpdk add more features to sriov ?
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• 1398[15:33:44] <samba35> is dpdk replace or capable to replace sriov or dpdk add more features to sriov ?
• 1399[15:34:25] <Habbie> samba35, you just asked that 30 seconds ago
• 1400[15:34:47] <simba_> CrystalMath, so i should just compile it myself
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• 1403[15:35:26] <samba35> spelling mistake
• 1404[15:36:16] <CrystalMath> yeah but isn't it stupid to remove a package because of a library
• 1405[15:36:19] <CrystalMath> but keep the library
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• 1407[15:37:58] <dvs> CrystalMath, depends if the library is still maintained
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• 1409[15:38:36] <CrystalMath> right i suppose it could be a soft transition kind of thing
• 1410[15:38:43] <CrystalMath> get people to use different software first
• 1411[15:38:47] <CrystalMath> then remove the library
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• 1413[15:38:59] <Habbie> sqlite2 is still around because of, like, 3 programs
• 1414[15:39:06] <CrystalMath> anyway, now i have to install xmms1 :P
• 1415[15:39:17] <saptech> what about juk?
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• 1422[15:42:53] <simba_> wait, can I just # apt-get install -t=sid amarok # ???
• 1423[15:43:21] <Habbie> !frankendebian
• 1424[15:43:21] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
• 1425[15:43:27] <dvs> simba_, you could but you run the risk of pulling in other sid packages.
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• 1427[15:44:43] <dvs> ,check-backport amarok
• 1428[15:44:44] <judd> No package named 'amarok' was found in sid/amd64.
• 1429[15:45:11] <dvs> hmmmmm
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• 1432[15:48:40] <Bushmills> clementine -> "It is largely a port of Amarok 1.4"
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• 1436[15:50:44] <Bushmills> ,v clementine
• 1437[15:50:45] <judd> Package: clementine on amd64 -- jessie: 1.2.3+dfsg-2+b1; stretch: 1.3.1+git276-g3485bbe43+dfsg-1; buster: 1.3.1+git609-g623a53681+dfsg-1; bullseye: 1.3.1+git609-g623a53681+dfsg-1+b6; sid: 1.3.1+git609-g623a53681+dfsg-1+b6
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• 1440[15:51:44] <Habbie> clementine also claims to support ipod/iphone/mtp
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• 1469[16:14:56] <CrystalMath> oh i was about to suggest
• 1470[16:14:58] <CrystalMath> manually backporting
• 1471[16:15:07] <CrystalMath> fetching the sid package
• 1472[16:15:12] <CrystalMath> and compiling for buster
• 1473[16:15:13] <CrystalMath> should work
• 1474[16:15:22] <LtL> !ssb
• 1475[16:15:22] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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• 1478[16:16:52] <LtL> ^^^^ proceed at your own peril :)
• 1479[16:17:02] <dvs> backport what package?
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• 1482[16:20:02] <LtL> dvs: i'm assuming amarok and or banshee?
• 1483[16:22:15] <dvs> LtL, amarok is not in sid so it's not that.
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• 1485[16:22:35] <dvs> ,v banshee
• 1486[16:22:36] <judd> Package: banshee on amd64 -- jessie: 2.6.2-3; stretch: 2.6.2-6.1
• 1487[16:23:31] <LtL> dvs: simba__ was inquiring but he left.
• 1488[16:23:33] <Habbie> the same procedure works for forward porting
• 1489[16:23:36] <Habbie> roughly
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• 1565[17:20:22] <Mazhive> does the latest debian support Intel EXPI9404PT PRO/1000 PT Quad Port Server out of the box ??
• 1566[17:20:36] <Mazhive> NIC
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• 1574[17:27:20] <weedloser> well, it's rather the kernel in debian you should care about.
• 1575[17:27:23] <weedloser> how new is it?
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• 1577[17:34:12] <Habbie> Mazhive, knowing the PCI vendor and device ID might help
• 1578[17:35:40] <Mazhive> ah oke. well i have not bought it yet but i want to know if i can use it for my build wanne use it for link agregation since i know these cards has the protocol support for it..
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• 1590[17:43:00] <Mazhive> i am going to use it in a asus b450 ASUS TUF B450 for my new build file server
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• 1592[17:45:37] <weedloser> ah, i see
• 1593[17:46:12] <weedloser> generally a backported kernel would help with zen 2
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• 1599[17:49:16] <Mazhive> it will stream local files and transcode from it so i need relatively speedy cpu and i think it willl suit my needs with these hardware
• 1600[17:51:01] <Mazhive> but some inside information would help to make the build as smooth as my knowledge would go.
• 1601[17:52:14] <m0rd3cai> got a quick question if someone can help. found a file with arbitrary name but the content is just a text string, I cant decide what encoding if anyone has any ideas. My best guess is a ssh key maybe.
• 1602[17:52:19] <m0rd3cai> replaced-url
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• 1604[17:53:28] <Habbie> m0rd3cai, that's a nice puzzle you got there
• 1605[17:53:46] <Habbie> m0rd3cai, it decodes as base64 but then i still don't know what it's supposed to be :)
• 1606[17:55:15] <m0rd3cai> does it?
• 1607[17:55:31] <m0rd3cai> its a VM for CTF practice so its there for a reason :-)
• 1608[17:55:42] <m0rd3cai> lets look at that again
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• 1667[18:33:00] <useretail> i have multiarch, how can i after installation execute 32-bit version of the app?
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• 1683[18:43:54] <useretail> anyone?
• 1684[18:44:19] <Habbie> useretail, if you can tell me how to get multiarch, i can probably find out how to execute things
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• 1688[18:46:12] <useretail> Habbie, dpkg --add-architecture i386
• 1689[18:46:13] <Habbie> useretail, oh, just run it - the location of an app does not depend on its arch
• 1690[18:46:17] <Habbie> yes, found it
• 1691[18:46:50] <useretail> i have old scanner that has only 32-bit proprietary drivers
• 1692[18:47:07] <useretail> if i install two
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• 1694[18:47:34] <useretail> *sane-backends, how to run 32-bin one?
• 1695[18:47:48] <Habbie> you cannot install two
• 1696[18:47:51] <Habbie> you install the 32 bit one
• 1697[18:48:22] <useretail> but i need 64-bit one for another scanner
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• 1699[18:49:19] <Habbie> multiarch cannot help with that, as far as i know
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• 1701[18:49:43] <useretail> so what's the purpose of multiarch?
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• 1707[18:55:25] <Habbie> useretail, to mix architectures between -different- packages
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• 1732[19:07:22] <no_gravity> I'm trying to run "scanimage" in a Docker container. Is the simplest way to do that "apt install xsane; apt install scanimage" in the containter?
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• 1735[19:09:16] <Habbie> no_gravity, the simplets way would be to 'apt install sane-utils'
• 1736[19:09:24] <no_gravity> Habbie: Ok, will try that.
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• 1746[19:15:57] <no_gravity> Ok. Now I need to figure out how to provide the Docker container access to the scanner.
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• 1752[19:21:15] <no_gravity> I tried "-v /dev/bus/usb:/dev/bus/usb" but get only "Input/Output Error"s from sane-find-scanner.
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• 1755[19:22:07] <ZaZaGX> hola
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• 1759[19:24:01] <no_gravity> Ha! With --privileged it finds it!
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• 1821[20:12:26] <martigan> Hello everyone! Is adding net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 =1 to /etc/sysctl.conf the preferred way to disable ipv6?
• 1822[20:13:33] <no_gravity> martigan: I use these 3 lines:
• 1823[20:13:37] <no_gravity> sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1
• 1824[20:13:41] <no_gravity> sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.default.disable_ipv6=1
• 1825[20:13:46] <no_gravity> sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.lo.disable_ipv6=1
• 1826[20:14:58] <no_gravity> That is not disabling it permanently though. I only disable it sometimes.
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• 1834[20:19:07] <SerajewelKS> no_gravity: setting .all and .default should be sufficient
• 1835[20:19:13] <SerajewelKS> no_gravity: .all will implicitly set .lo
• 1836[20:19:27] <SerajewelKS> (.all might also implicitly set .default)
• 1837[20:20:37] <no_gravity> SerajewelKS: Ok, thanks!
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• 1842[20:23:53] <martigan> thanks, is there a way to make the changes permanent? after reboot the changes appear to stay.
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• 1845[20:27:30] <ayekat> martigan: /etc/sysctl.d/
• 1846[20:27:52] <ayekat> (see /usr/lib/sysctl.d for a reference - I guess there may be some sysctl files already installed by packages)
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• 1848[20:28:54] <SerajewelKS> note that /etc/sysctl.d/99-sysctl.conf is a symlink to /etc/sysctl.conf by default, so you can store local changes in /etc/sysctl.conf and they'll get picked up
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• 1855[20:33:55] <martigan> Thank you!
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• 1865[20:53:17] <Reventlov> Hi there.
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• 1867[20:54:11] <martigan> Hi!
• 1868[20:55:08] <Reventlov> this might be a weird one but… I just installed bsd-mailx, and it seems it sends mail just fine
• 1869[20:55:32] <Reventlov> I thought I had to configure a MTA, but it seems my debian already has one. But which one? I configured opensmtpd, but it seems it's not using this one.
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• 1871[20:56:01] <Reventlov> replaced-url
• 1872[20:56:13] <Habbie> Reventlov, find out what provides your 'sendmail' binary, i think
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• 1877[20:57:54] <Habbie> Reventlov, that said, it seems likely that it is in fact opensmtpd
• 1878[20:58:21] <Habbie> Reventlov, ls -al /usr/sbin/sendmail
• 1879[20:58:25] <Reventlov> yeah, opensmtpd is providing sendmail but…
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• 1883[20:59:45] <Reventlov> or maybe configuration didn't work out.
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• 1891[21:03:48] <Bushmills> Reventlov: when trying to install another, package manager will tell you which already installed MTA conflicts, and suggests to remove it
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• 1894[21:05:04] <Bushmills> alternatively is dpkg -S a method
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• 1904[21:12:19] <Reventlov> Ok, it was just opensmtpd whose configuration was badly formatted, but still started, so…
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• 1932[21:37:31] <s00x> hey, I'm not sure if this is correct channel, but whhy after apt-get upgrade my firefox-esr changed homepage to example.com ?
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• 1947[21:43:55] <telmich> Good evening everyone! We are looking for some (open source) hackers to join us in Switzerland - would it be ok to post the URL in here or is it too offtopic?
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• 1951[21:49:17] <diogenes_> telmich, is it going to be another cicada 3301?
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• 1957[21:56:57] <ZaZaGX> do i need to set a GRUB password? if so, why?
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• 1959[21:57:59] <EmleyMoor> ZaZaGX: Can you ever see a situation where you might?
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• 1961[21:58:10] <brutser> if i do custom install and load all possible installer components, then execute a shell, if i still need a command not available, what is the workaround for that?
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• 1966[21:58:36] <EmleyMoor> brutser, Install the package it's part of
• 1967[21:58:46] <EmleyMoor> It's not a work*around*
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• 1972[22:00:15] <ZaZaGX> i'm not sure
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• 1974[22:01:21] <EmleyMoor> ZaZaGX: Put it this way, it's not compulsory
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• 1978[22:01:56] <diogenes_> ZaZaGX, if some person get physical access to your PC then, by accessing passwordless grub, he can change your password and literally do whatever he wants.
• 1979[22:02:47] <Bushmills> though a password won't prevent him to take the whole PC or harddisk
• 1980[22:03:29] <EmleyMoor> I'd sooner encrypt the bulk of the disk
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• 1982[22:04:00] <ZaZaGX> diogenes_, you mean change root password?
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• 1986[22:04:51] <diogenes_> yes, create new users, inject any sort of spyware aka cryptominers, etc.
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• 1988[22:05:37] <ZaZaGX> hmm, i didn't encrypt my whole hard drive. it takes too long
• 1989[22:06:14] <Bushmills> yes, security is only on option if it speeds things up or reduces power consumption or costs
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• 1991[22:06:46] <EmleyMoor> I only bother on a laptop
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• 1994[22:07:02] <telmich> diogenes_: actually no; it's more about solving interesting problems together, in the areas of Open Source / IPv6 ; more details are on replaced-url
• 1995[22:07:21] <ZaZaGX> i have a laptop
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• 1997[22:08:58] * martigan lols at Bushmills
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• 2000[22:09:12] <Bushmills> we're living in a - in parts - free world where everybody is free not to care about securing his data.
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• 2002[22:10:00] <martigan> I don't have anything to hide, why should I care?
• 2003[22:10:50] <Bushmills> that's also what my uncle says. I asked him whether it's fine with him if I install cameras in his house, and stream it to internet. funnily he declined.
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• 2005[22:11:17] <Bushmills> i don't quote understand why he would - he has nothing to hide, he says
• 2006[22:11:21] <ZaZaGX> i don't like the police
• 2007[22:11:47] <martigan> I like the "Ok cool, text me all your passwords, I would love to spend the afternoon going through all your stuff" response.
• 2008[22:11:49] <diogenes_> Bushmills, you asked uncle or aunt? :)
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• 2012[22:12:43] <martigan> ZaZaGX IS the police
• 2013[22:12:46] <Bushmills> uncle, actually. my aunt isn't tech enough to understand those terms like "stream" (or "camera" :) )
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• 2015[22:13:03] <martigan> stream is that thing you catch fish out of.
• 2016[22:13:23] <diogenes_> lol
• 2017[22:13:54] <ZaZaGX> i am not a cop
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• 2024[22:16:14] <Bushmills> prove it
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• 2028[22:16:57] <martigan> Oh, in that case, lets do a bunch of sketchy stuff on the internets together now that we have verified you. Where do you want to start?
• 2029[22:17:27] <ZaZaGX> crap, do i need to reformat and install debian again to enable the full disk encryption during installation?
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• 2035[22:21:25] <humpled> do you need to encrypt everything?
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• 2038[22:22:19] <ZaZaGX> no, but isn't it better just to encrypt everything?
• 2039[22:22:33] <dvs> even /boot?
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• 2041[22:23:01] <ZaZaGX> i'm not even sure whats in /boot
• 2042[22:23:06] <EmleyMoor> ZaZaGX, not /boot but everything else is simplest to do at install time
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• 2046[22:24:31] <ZaZaGX> well, i'm trying to associate myself with hackers and i'm going to defcon next year hopefully. i don't want to get hacked
• 2047[22:24:53] <brutser> i guess /boot holds the files that are needed for the bootloader
• 2048[22:24:54] <martigan> told you hes a cop
• 2049[22:25:01] <brutser> and / holds the files for the os itself
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• 2051[22:25:25] <ZaZaGX> lol i'm not a fed!
• 2052[22:25:37] <Primer> Can't UFI maintain a crypto chain with Debian now?
• 2053[22:26:04] <Primer> as long as you stick to distro kernel modules
• 2054[22:26:24] <Primer> UEFI, that is
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• 2057[22:26:57] <ZaZaGX> I'm even trying to brush up my Mandarin chinese. theres a ton of Chinese people in my area. i need to get to the dark army
• 2058[22:27:04] <brutser> EmleyMoor: so for example i want to use losetup which is not there by default, how would i install the package in the busybox shell?
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• 2065[22:29:31] <ZaZaGX> so its best to format and install debian and enable full disk encryption during install time? and password protect grub?
• 2066[22:29:31] <EmleyMoor> Not familiar with busybox...
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• 2074[22:31:18] <mmfood> /hi, decided to try debian on a server and downloaded the debian live standard iso. I have set up the partitions, but now I realize I'm not sure what to do. Is there a install script/program to run or should I install some package group?
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• 2077[22:31:53] <brutser> EmleyMoor: well busybox is the shell you get when doing custom install debian
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• 2079[22:32:05] <Bushmills> for an interactive console installer shell? aptitude
• 2080[22:32:06] <brutser> so that is why i asked, i know how to install a package in deb obviously
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• 2082[22:32:30] <Bushmills> oh, you still *need* to install
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• 2084[22:32:52] <brutser> Bushmills: sorry, you replying to my issue?
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• 2088[22:33:22] <diogenes_> mmfood, it has graphical debian installer.
• 2089[22:33:24] <Bushmills> that's a hard one. were i to say "no" now,. that's technically a reply to you
• 2090[22:34:08] <brutser> i start a custom install debian and load all components before executing a shell < here i still miss a few commands i need, such as losetup, so i wonder how i can still get those commands available
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• 2093[22:34:30] <ZaZaGX> ok, i take that as a yes.
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• 2099[22:39:04] <brutser> anyone that can help with the expert install debian, must be someone here? ;)
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• 2104[22:40:39] <ZaZaGX> for who?
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• 2108[22:41:46] <ZaZaGX> private internet access works with the feds
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• 2112[22:42:35] <mmfood> diogenes_: right, that might be easier. Is there a way to do it from the command line though? Physically that would be easier to do from my other machine through ssh, since I am currently logged in
• 2113[22:43:51] <ZaZaGX> i recommend a vpn outside United States. so there are no jurisdiction
• 2114[22:44:11] <diogenes_> mmfood, i always install from graphical installer so no experience with cli/arch way of installing :)
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• 2121[22:48:31] <humpled> i'm surprised if losetup is not in the installer
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• 2132[22:51:48] <mmfood> diogenes_: ok, well thanks for reminding me about the graphical installer anyways! :)
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• 2134[22:52:17] <diogenes_> np
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• 2137[22:53:39] <Burek> is tool bassist using debian? replaced-url
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• 2143[22:56:28] <johnjay> would I be correct in assuming emacs-module.h is not included in any debian package?
• 2144[22:56:32] <johnjay> i can't find it with apt-file find
• 2145[22:57:56] <brutser> humpled: /bin/sh: losetup: not found
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• 2147[22:58:13] <annadane> PIA does not work with the feds, please don't spread even more VPN misinformation
• 2148[22:58:30] <annadane> US based products are a red flag though, yes
• 2149[22:59:18] <ZaZaGX> how do you know annadane?
• 2150[22:59:28] <annadane> i don't, but i also don't make confident assertions that they do
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• 2154[23:00:27] <annadane> the US does have a problem with NSLs and the fact corporations can be compelled to hand over information, all that is perfectly correct
• 2155[23:00:57] <ZaZaGX> i don't think major ISP works with the feds. but they can. it happen with foxacid
• 2156[23:01:32] <annadane> many ISPs are also assholes, so i mean
• 2157[23:01:33] <brutser> humpled: i loaded all components possible
• 2158[23:01:45] <annadane> sorry for all the off-topic, please continue with actual support discussion
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• 2161[23:03:20] <martigan> FWIW: replaced-url
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• 2170[23:09:48] <ZaZaGX> hmmm not sure if that is bias. it does say TorrentFreak is sponsored by them
• 2171[23:10:41] <jokx> hello
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• 2179[23:15:08] <martigan> Hi!
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• 2184[23:17:02] <brutser> nobody knows if it's possible to load any additional components during expert install??
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• 2186[23:18:13] <Bushmills> I reckon most more experienced users have been running their systems for many years and don't tend to run installers very often
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• 2188[23:19:20] <jmcnaught> brutser: what are you trying to do in the installer that cannot be done after the first boot of the system?
• 2189[23:19:41] <martigan> Bushmills, is there any advantage to not running an installer?
• 2190[23:20:48] <Bushmills> well, yes. advantage is that one doesn't need to install
• 2191[23:21:15] <brutser> jmcnaught: that's a bit complicated to explain, i can give a try though, but i wanted to use losetup, but it's not available unfortunately
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• 2194[23:21:57] <Bushmills> martigan: would you run an installer while there's a nicely working system installed on your computer?
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• 2197[23:23:50] <martigan> lol, ok ok. Point made. I thought you meant to install the system. I have always used the graphical installer. I've been on debian sense jessie and still don't know anything. lol
• 2198[23:24:17] <karlpinc> brutser: There's a console on a vt (vt3?) in the installer that lets you do anything.
• 2199[23:24:57] <Bushmills> martigan: no, i meant "many experienced users can't really remember how the installer looks like" :D
• 2200[23:25:36] <Bushmills> and "what? it has graphical mode too now"
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• 2204[23:28:20] <Bushmills> and maybe "what'S the advantage over boot/root floppy set"
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• 2208[23:30:42] <martigan> I mean, its not a terminal, and it says "Graphical installer" so I'm guessing thats what it's called. lol
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• 2211[23:31:27] <humpled> seems pretty similar from what i've seen, just a bit shinier
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• 2213[23:31:44] <humpled> and the mouse works
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• 2218[23:32:39] <martigan> If its stupid and it works its not stupid. Using the installer from a usb has never steered me wrong yet.
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• 2235[23:48:39] <Psi-Jack> I'm having an issue trying to install Debian 9 onto a Dell R900, mostly with the NIC not ever connecting, and just checked dmesg from the console and seeing it finding the QLogic bnx2 GigE for all 4 ports, but then after the renames from ethX to enoX, firmware: failed to load bnx2/bnx2-mips-06-6.2.3.fw (-2)
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• 2240[23:50:02] <karlpinc> Psi-Jack: Are you using the unoffical installer with non-free firmware included?
• 2241[23:50:12] <karlpinc> !firmware images
• 2242[23:50:12] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
• 2243[23:50:29] <Psi-Jack> I am not.
• 2244[23:50:32] <karlpinc> Psi-Jack: (And why install 9 and not 10 (buster)?)
• 2245[23:50:49] <Psi-Jack> karlpinc: Because I'll be joining it to my proxmox ve cluster which is still also on Debian 9 at the moment.
• 2246[23:51:23] <karlpinc> Psi-Jack: It's not loading firmware. You can either follow the installation instructions regarding non-free firmware or use the unoffical installer.
• 2247[23:51:41] <Psi-Jack> Where's the unofficial for 9.x?
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• 2251[23:52:39] <Psi-Jack> Ahh, archive. :)
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• 2255[23:54:02] <LtL> Psi-Jack: replaced-url
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• 2257[23:54:55] <Psi-Jack> And I'll try that. With the netinst one I usually use. :)
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• 2259[23:55:15] <Bushmills> ,v linux-image-amd64
• 2260[23:55:16] <karlpinc> netinstall is usually best
• 2261[23:55:16] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u7; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9+80+deb9u8; stretch-backports: 4.19+105~bpo9+1; bullseye: 4.19+105; buster: 4.19+105; sid: 5.2+106
• 2262[23:55:36] <Bushmills> 5.2 seems to just have made it into bullseye
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• 2264[23:55:39] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I was using the official 9.4.0 netinst, because I had that handy.
• 2265[23:59:52] <LtL> I can't seem to find the netinstall for 9.9
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