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15 [00:05:51] <n4dir> dngpph: check if a hidden file in the
users home directory is owned by root, for example .Xauthority
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21 [00:08:23] <NordicAaron> dngpph, but until you have done it i
am ready to help you...
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23 [00:09:18] <NordicAaron> so, where where we, whats about a
pasting of the xsession errors log file from the user with the file
manager problem?
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31 [00:13:10] <psychoticwarrior> whats up
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69 [00:33:12] <tymczenko> how can I install gnome 3.24 ?
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71 [00:33:46] <psychoticwarrior> hey whats goin gon
72 [00:34:09] <annadane> psychoticwarrior, if you have a
question just ask, otherwise this isn't a chat channel
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75 [00:34:46] <psychoticwarrior> ok
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79 [00:37:38] <somiaj> tymczenko: in debian, you should stick
with the version of gnome that comes with the debian release. It is
a very large collection of packages, and isn't that easy to
install versions different than the one that is provided.
80 [00:38:18] <tymczenko> somiaj, what if just only upgrade
gnome-shell?
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83 [00:38:48] <FinalX> there's not really a
"just" when it comes to gnome tbh
84 [00:38:52] <somiaj> tymczenko: you would want to backport it,
it would require complinig and installing a local copy and may not
work with the other gnome parts with out some work.
85 [00:38:59] <tymczenko> FinalX, :D
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89 [00:40:22] <tymczenko> somiaj, OK, I'll drag the dull
burden of using outdated software)
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91 [00:40:34] <tymczenko> thanks, guys!
92 [00:40:40] <n4dir> tymczenko: or choose a different
distribution of linux.
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94 [00:41:28] <tymczenko> n4dir, like "sid"? or
you're talking about non-debian distros?
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96 [00:41:57] <somiaj> tymczenko: a frozen system has lots of
advantages. All software in debian is known to work well together,
and things won't change on you just because you do an upgrade.
But it is a give take, other distros provide a different experience.
97 [00:42:20] <n4dir> sid would be a good choice, imho, though
it doesn't seem to have the version of gnome you are looking
for neither. I meant a different distro. If you are always looking
for the lates versions, debian might not be the best choice
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99 [00:43:02] <annadane> but be careful recommending sid,
it's not for everyone
100 [00:43:07] <abrotman> n4dir: "good choice" is
highly subjective, and unless you already know why it's called
unstable, don't use it
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102 [00:43:21] <abrotman> nor recommend it
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104 [00:44:14] <n4dir> annadane: abrotman . Sure, i didn't
say what i wanted to say. (I wanted to say: if i only had the choice
to use a different distro or sid, cause i really desperately need
the newest version, then i would choose sid)
105 [00:44:28] <n4dir> but first of all i would consider if my
value system is a good one
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109 [00:45:55] <tymczenko> n4dir, I think I'll stay with
Debian because I'm so accustomed to the ecosystem of .deb
programs
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112 [00:47:42] <n4dir> tymczenko: my point: Debian is the way
that it is, with all it's advantages. Always the newest version
isn't one of it's advantages (for what reason ever people
care for that).
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118 [00:48:53] <n4dir>
replaced-url
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120 [00:49:13] <tymczenko> ok
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123 [00:50:10] <rjdp9736> I am using i3wm and some unicode glyphs
are not displaying, can somebody guide me in right direction , I
tried a solutions i got googling, it has not worked out yet
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138 [00:59:28] <Epakai> rjdp9736: are you sure your font has
those glyphs?
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155 [01:10:33] <drzraf> Hi, I've a (kernel?) issue (Stretch
regression) and I wonder how to debug: laptop's fans do not
work unless acpi=off
156 [01:11:38] <drzraf> I used to run 4.9+80~bpo8+1 which was OK,
but 4.9+80+deb9u1 and 4.12+84 = no fan unless acpi=off
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158 [01:12:15] <drzraf> I thought about "*acpi*"
packages but I need a more rational debug-path
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180 [01:24:30] <foul_owl> Is haproxy still the gold standard for
load balancing? Would you prefer it or a different load balancer?
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183 [01:25:55] <Wulf> foul_owl: it's okay. An alternative
I've been thinking about is to use iptables rules and write a
program that manages them. In theory it should be a bit quicker than
haproxy as no userspace at all is involved.
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185 [01:25:59] <Wulf> foul_owl: but too much effort
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190 [01:29:50] <DerLGm> Wulf: foul_owl id use iptables if
possible. then again i havent tried haproxy.
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194 [01:30:50] <Wulf> haproxy got tons of features
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198 [01:32:08] <abrotman> foul_owl: yes, AFAIK, yes. Unless you
have money for hardware LBs I suppose
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240 [02:04:10] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day :D
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328 [02:57:54] <scriptkiddy> list
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360 [03:13:38] <juon> Hello everybody
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397 [03:41:53] <z6016zdw> hello
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399 [03:43:14] <z6016zdw> What are you doing?
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407 [03:46:12] <psychoticwarrior> not much just got done eating
dinner. how about you?
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410 [03:47:02] <bazhang> psychoticwarrior, he left
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418 [03:50:05] <psychoticwarrior> oh ok
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505 [04:46:13] <nuxis> what is the command again to see the
proceses. ps ax ...
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556 [05:35:00] <juon> I have a problem, which my Driver Video
GT630M, and I dont want to suspend my laptop whe close lid.
557 [05:35:17] <juon> I want suspend my Desktop when lid close
558 [05:35:26] <juon> I want use the my driver video too
559 [05:35:34] <juon> Anybodyry can help me ?
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598 [06:18:20] <malvidx> hey does anyone know if there is a
channel for pure os
599 [06:19:36] <malvidx> just curious cause its debian based and
its saying some of my hardware nees non-free firmware to operate
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601 [06:19:42] <aging_> saw you!
602 [06:19:59] <aging_> check the debian how-tos
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605 [06:20:07] <aging_> wireless and video?
606 [06:20:15] <malvidx> wireless
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609 [06:21:49] <malvidx> screw it ill just stick with bunsenlabs
610 [06:21:59] <aging_> ok
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622 [06:28:21] <allan_wind> How do I troubleshoot packet loss?
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626 [06:30:09] <rjsalts> allan_wind: I like mtr (from mtr-tiny
package). packet captures through tcpdump/wireshark might also help
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631 [06:34:40] <allan_wind> mtr is nice, I jury rigged ping in a
loop. So I identified a host with problem (packet loss with two diff
hosts), and no issues with the two diff hosts. What is the next
step?
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634 [06:35:48] <allan_wind> vent->toofan, pawan->toofan
both show packet loss; vent->pawan does not. I replaced the cable
and used a different switch port already. Bounced the switch and
toofan. What's the next step?
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659 [06:52:41] <rjsalts> allan_wind: check link utilisation? is
it dropping packets because there is too much traffic across that
hop?
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662 [06:54:31] <allan_wind> rjsalts: laptop is idle, nothing
going on, also, it seems that I am seeing packet loss from
vent->toofan, but not from toofan->vent
663 [06:54:52] <allan_wind> running mtr concurrent in both
directions
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665 [06:55:36] <allan_wind> how do I check link utilization, btw?
666 [06:55:38] <DerLGm> so vent is dropping packets?
667 [06:55:49] <allan_wind> toofan
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669 [06:56:40] <DerLGm> encryption causing problems? sorry i just
got in.
670 [06:56:43] <allan_wind> I have multiple hosts and toofan
shows packet loss to it from each those hosts
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672 [06:57:57] <DerLGm> you have alot of net traffic?
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674 [06:58:14] <allan_wind> no, basically idle
675 [06:59:08] <DerLGm> howvare they communicating?
676 [06:59:49] <allan_wind> vent and toofan are both connected to
a netgear wifi router; I am testing wired connection
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678 [07:01:16] <DerLGm> wifi router but only using ethernet? have
you checked the settings of the router?
679 [07:01:41] <allan_wind> there isn't really any settings
on the router for the wired part
680 [07:01:49] <allan_wind> (it's a switch)
681 [07:02:22] <DerLGm> was asking in case theres a ip filter or
a timeout setting
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684 [07:03:03] <rjsalts> allan_wind: if you have a managed switch
then snmp counters, etc. If it's a really basic switch then cry
a lot and try to infer things from all the things on the network
that may be sending data to a specific port
685 [07:03:17] <allan_wind> dumb switch
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690 [07:04:10] <rjsalts> allan_wind: so it's toofan that has
the loss, and it's over wifi?
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692 [07:04:35] <allan_wind> I mean, it's a wifi router so
not really a dumb switch but I don't see anything in the wired
part.
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694 [07:05:00] <allan_wind> rjsalts: no, wired either. wifi
interface is down on both toofan and vent (working host)
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696 [07:05:09] <allan_wind> ethernet, I mean
697 [07:06:12] <allan_wind> I used the cable that was on toofan
for vent, and did not see packet loss, so I think the cable is fine.
Also tried two diff cables.
698 [07:06:42] <rjsalts> and different switch ports, I assume
699 [07:06:50] <allan_wind> yeah
700 [07:07:10] <allan_wind> I have an extra plain switch let me
try that, but it seems there is something off with the host
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702 [07:08:18] <rjsalts> what does ifconfig say about
receive/transmit errors?
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706 [07:10:04] <allan_wind> Both rx and tx shows 0 on both toofan
and vent
707 [07:10:17] <allan_wind> 0 errors, dropped, overruns
708 [07:10:30] <rjsalts> allan_wind: okay, I'd start looking
at packet captures
709 [07:10:51] <allan_wind> I actually captured tcpdump earlier,
but I am not sure how to read it
710 [07:10:56] <allan_wind> (in wireshark)
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713 [07:11:29] <rjsalts> allan_wind: yeah, if you do tcpdump -o
/your/packet/capture then you can view that in wireshark
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722 [07:16:46] <allan_wind> I was testing with ssh initially, and
when I follow a stream I see the timestamp jumping almost a min
within a stream, and wireshark later says TCP Previous segment not
captured, and later retransmission
723 [07:17:07] <allan_wind> I am pretty sure it's toofan, so
how do I figure out what the root cause is?
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738 [07:29:34] <allan_wind> I obtained a tcpdump from vent when
there was packet loss, and it just shows that toofan doesn't
respond. Let me grab a tcpdump from toofan to see if it gets the
request during packet loss
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740 [07:30:01] <darxmurf> hi all
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747 [07:36:21] <klys> hi darxmurf
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753 [07:39:13] <allan_wind> tcpdump from toofan shows that it is
not getting the requests from vent; vent shows (in diff tcpdump)
that it is sending the requests but does not get the response
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755 [07:39:44] <pragomer> is there an opensource GUI tool for
doing backups to tapes?
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757 [07:40:42] <allan_wind> pragomer: yeah, bacula. That said,
you may want to look into attic/borgbackup
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762 [07:44:05] <pragomer> mm. both seems very complicated
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782 [07:58:37] <allan_wind> pragomer: they are not, really,
borgbackup is a fork of attic, so they are very similar
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785 [07:59:51] <allan_wind> pragomer: really, you install on both
client and server, then on client run attic/borg init pointing to
server, then create and prune
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787 [08:00:34] <allan_wind> they dedup, and pretty fst if you use
no-compression (for borg)
788 [08:00:40] <allan_wind> fast
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791 [08:03:57] <allan_wind> I introduced a new switch between
only vent and toofan, and still getting packet loss. So how I
troubleshoot this on toofan?
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803 [08:09:43] <pragomer> what I need to do is: copy a few
hundred gigs of an usb-hdd to a tape. and dont touch it for years.
need no synchronisation or things like that.
804 [08:09:59] <pragomer> woulnt tar then not be easier then
setting up a thing like bacula?
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807 [08:10:29] <allan_wind> pragomer: sure
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822 [08:16:08] <themill> verifying that the backup was done
correctly and has not degraded are useful features of real backup
programs
823 [08:17:38] <allan_wind> as is error correction (not in tar or
cpio, I was checking on pax but cannot tell)
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826 [08:18:42] <themill> verification and correction are
different things
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828 [08:19:41] <allan_wind> indeed. correction tells you that you
are screwed, correction gives you a chance of getting your data
back. I imagine there is some of this one tape drives already but
haven't touched tape for a while
829 [08:20:26] <allan_wind> verification, I mean, only tells you
that your data is corrupt
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835 [08:23:03] <allan_wind> (i.e. par2 rather than tar/cpio)
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860 [08:37:17] <allan_wind> I reran the mtr with toofan in rescue
mode, and not seeing any packet loss... so where do I go from here?
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877 [08:46:51] <elios> hi, where did fglrx went in stable?
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879 [08:47:22] <klys> elios, that's probably in non-free?
880 [08:47:46] <elios> mhm
881 [08:47:53] <somiaj> it was removed in favor of amdgpu I
belive
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883 [08:47:55] <somiaj> ,fglrx-driver
884 [08:48:02] <Zambezi> A couple of ago I was so close buying a
SSD but EXT4 is kind of harsh. Is there something beside the
SSD-guide on the wiki I need to consider? Really need to reorganize
my harddrives.
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886 [08:48:55] <somiaj> ,v fglrx-driver
887 [08:48:56] <judd> Package: fglrx-driver on amd64 --
wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free:
1:15.9-4~deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u2;
jessie-backports/non-free: 1:15.12-2~bpo8+4
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889 [08:49:44] <somiaj> yup, it was removed after stretch, in
stretch use the amdgpu driver. There really isn't a non-free
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890 [08:50:05] <elios> heh, interesting.
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893 [08:52:05] <allan_wind> Zambezi: somewhat recent kernel with
trim support, and mount with noatime and that's pretty much it
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895 [08:53:41] <towo^work> somiaj, s/amdgpu/amdgpu or radeon
896 [08:53:58] <towo^work> not all amd cards ar supported by
amdgpu
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900 [08:56:29] <Zambezi> allan_wind: Probably going to use
Stretch. Need to check the options for the system harddrive.
901 [08:57:08] <allan_wind> Zambezi: If you haven't used a
ssd yet, then you are in for a treat
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907 [09:00:01] <Zambezi> allan_wind: It's an ancient 80 GB.
My wifes bought a M2 so I can probably get his to evalute. Trying to
avoid large harddrive for personal files after a major harddrive
failure. Sorting the recovered data to for ever.
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914 [09:04:14] <yangsx> After my last Friday apt-get upgrade,
fcitx stops start-up upon entering X, and manually start fcitx gives
me an error: (ERROR-2133
/build/fcitx-SJV5lg/fcitx-4.2.9.1/src/lib/fcitx/ime.c:432)
fcitx-keyboard-cm-mmuock already exists.
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916 [09:04:58] <yangsx> fcitx was not updated in the process, but
gcc/g++ were updated. Anybody has a solution?
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920 [09:07:35] <banished> where do you add an .asc key?
921 [09:07:45] <banished> say for apt
922 [09:07:54] <banished> xterm
923 [09:07:56] <banished> file
924 [09:08:43] <banished> busy ch
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928 [09:11:01] <annadane> !enter
929 [09:11:01] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for
punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to
follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '.
', ';', '...', '---', or
':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be
autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
930 [09:11:39] <banished> !flood
931 [09:11:40] <dpkg> It's considered impolite to paste many
lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is
fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three
lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you
kicked. If you want to paste, ask me about <paste>
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955 [09:25:11] <jelly> banished: depends, which debian release?
jessie and stretch have /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ directory
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957 [09:25:49] <jelly> banished: assuming you're talking
about a signing key for a repo
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959 [09:27:57] <banished> jelly, Well apt-key worked yet apt
update still gives an error at Oracle so I'm thinking it Oracle
960 [09:29:09] <banished> jelly, "did apt-key" list for
"apt-key del" yet the Oracle key still stays there.
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963 [09:31:05] <banished> So which part of this:
964 [09:31:21] <banished> pub 4096R/2B90D010 2014-11-21 [expires:
2022-11-19]
965 [09:31:32] <banished> uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing
Key (8/jessie) <ftpmaster@debian.org>
966 [09:31:39] <banished> is the keyid?
967 [09:32:01] <banished> Tried all and it still remains
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971 [09:33:40] <themill> the full output of "apt-key
list" and the full output of "apt-get update" might
be instructive
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976 [09:35:40] <banished> !paste
977 [09:35:41] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
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987 [09:37:23] <banished>
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1000 [09:42:03] <banished> had synaptic buried and minimized
1001 [09:42:09] <banished> locked it up
1002 [09:42:32] <banished> :P
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1010 [09:46:23] <banished> other problem still exists for stretch
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1013 [09:46:59] <banished> install without network connected and
no networking is configured for cards
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1018 [09:50:52] <banished> Do the weekly-builds fix the network
configuration issues when installing from ISO?
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1020 [09:51:20] <yangsx> fcitx-diagnose reports it canot find many
of its fcitx-*.so modules while they all are available at
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/fcitx/
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1028 [09:54:32] <themill> banished: what network configuration
issue? (it should nor surprise you that there is no configuration if
there was nothing to configure; you can go and configure it yourself
if you need it)
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1036 [10:00:26] <banished> yangsx, fcitx: ...."w/intuitive
graphical configuration tools" which is why I have to run
stretch in terminal (console) so I can get to the legacy drivers
since my old NV card didn't make the default probe list and
drivers.
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1039 [10:01:49] <banished> Will try the weekly build and see if it
works.
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1043 [10:03:17] <yangsx> fcitx was working perfectly normal before
last Friday's "apt-get upgrade". So I suppose it is
not an issue of configuring fcitx.
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1069 [10:15:59] <mmpmmp> hey, I want to configure a ntp-server. In
ntp.conf I have the option to use pool or server. What is the
difference? In the manpage is meantioned only server, but in the
default file is only pool.
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1083 [10:19:22] <McErroneous> Hi, how do i resolve "unvisible
mouse pointer" in squeeze ?
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1088 [10:23:14] <mmpmmp> McErroneous: This should be a workaround:
replaced-url
1089 [10:23:15] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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1092 [10:24:17] <yangsx> a bug #806567 was filed against fcitx 29
Nov 2015 for the same problem. There is a follow-up info says that
installing fcitx-libs-dev can make the "Cannot find file xxx.so
of addon xxx" error go away.
1093 [10:24:18] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
1094 [10:26:18] <McErroneous> i could not find a
"hotplug" service in debian to restart...
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1096 [10:26:45] <McErroneous> relunching usbhid, did not solved it
either...
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1100 [10:27:16] <McErroneous> "apt-cache search fcitx" =
nothing found...
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1103 [10:28:18] <k_sze> Just because /tmp is not listed as tmpfs
in the output of `mount`, does it actually mean it's not tmpfs?
1104 [10:28:28] <k_sze> It seems a bit strange the tmp to not be
tmpfs.
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1145 [10:48:24] <diabel> Can someone explain me why is 404 on left
link (from changelog) on site:
1146 [10:48:26] <diabel>
replaced-url
1147 [10:48:33] <diabel>
replaced-url
1148 [10:48:49] <diabel> that is not first time i see this
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1181 [11:08:14] <nindustries> Hi, does anyone have
/etc/environment for stretch?
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1188 [11:14:32] <nadersith> good morning
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1198 [11:20:13] <nindustries> If anyone could pastebin their
/etc/environment, I would be grateful
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1202 [11:22:41] <slax0r> nindustries: don't have stretch
running, but the docker container debian:stretch has an empty
/etc/environment
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1204 [11:23:51] <nindustries> slax0r: aha, good point. thanks.
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1207 [11:25:37] <cruncher> nindustries, slax0r, yes, its empty on
stretch
1208 [11:26:00] <nindustries> Thanks cruncher & slax0r
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1222 [11:30:15] <john_rambo> Just reinstalled Debian ... Installed
all the updates...Restored the Chromium profile from old /home
...Now when I open Chromium I see this >>>
replaced-url
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1244 [11:48:22] <nindustries> close
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1270 [12:00:46] <nadersith> /
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1293 [12:10:41] <nbl> Hello
1294 [12:10:50] <nadersith> hi
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1297 [12:11:49] <nbl> I did a minimal install on debian Stretch
and I installed xorg with xserver-xorg-core for my graphic chipset
but I don't have 3d hardware acceleration
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1299 [12:12:03] <nbl> when I type startx on tty1 I have this error
message
1300 [12:12:16] <nbl> gbm: failed to open any driver (search paths
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri:${ORIGIN}/dri:/usr/lib/dri)
1301 [12:12:19] <nbl> gbm: failed to open any driver (search paths
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri:${ORIGIN}/dri:/usr/lib/dri)
1302 [12:12:46] <nbl> anyone knows which package missing ?
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1306 [12:15:12] <towo^work> nbl, does anyone here know your
graphics hardware?
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1321 [12:21:38] <jezebel> hi :) i'm trying to have my laptop
connect to my mobile phone under headset audio gateway without
success, anyone familiar with the process? :)
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1325 [12:22:18] <gpunk> have you installed bluetooth ?
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1327 [12:22:27] <jezebel> yep
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1329 [12:22:30] <jezebel> bluez5
1330 [12:22:40] <jezebel> pulse UDIO TOO O
1331 [12:22:42] <jezebel> oops
1332 [12:22:45] <jezebel> pulseaudio too
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1336 [12:23:09] <jezebel> i'm getting a "Failed to
change profile to headset_audio_gateway" error
1337 [12:23:13] <mmpmmp> hey, I want to configure a ntp-server. In
ntp.conf I have the option to use pool or server. What is the
difference? In the manpage is meantioned only server, but in the
default file is only pool.
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1341 [12:23:59] <nadersith> bluez-pulseaudio
1342 [12:24:02] <nadersith> something like that
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1344 [12:24:37] <nadersith>
replaced-url
1345 [12:24:40] <nadersith> this
1346 [12:25:04] <nadersith> unpair and untrust, reboot and try
again
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1348 [12:25:20] <jezebel> yep, i have that installe
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1350 [12:25:24] <jezebel> dpkg --list shows it as ii
1351 [12:25:24] <dpkg> jezebel: I'm not sure, is it larger
than a breadbox?
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1354 [12:25:49] <jezebel> ii pulseaudio-mod 10.0-1+deb9u amd64
Bluetooth module for PulseAudio s
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1360 [12:28:07] <nadersith> maybe it's a bug. I had to turn
off device then switch to headshet or a2dp
1361 [12:28:10] <nadersith> in the past
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1363 [12:28:25] <jezebel> hmmm
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1365 [12:28:42] <jezebel> a2dp works interestingly, just not
hsp/hfp
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1370 [12:29:40] <nadersith> I got the same problem but I fixed it
by installing the package mentioned above
1371 [12:29:56] <nadersith> I had to kill Pulseaudio after
installing it, of course
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1373 [12:30:15] <jezebel> even loaded the non free firmware :/
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1375 [12:30:21] <GilesB> Hi, I am wondering why I am seeing such
different results with `iw link` speed vs iperf:
replaced-url
1376 [12:30:27] <nadersith>
replaced-url
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1378 [12:30:52] <nadersith> check Troubleshooting
1379 [12:30:55] <nadersith> in that page
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1392 [12:36:01] <ben25> hello
1393 [12:36:06] <GilesB> hi
1394 [12:36:14] <nadersith> hi
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1396 [12:36:45] <ben25> since debian 9 i can't access the
console, le screen just freeze until i ctrl+alt+F7 back
1397 [12:37:02] <ben25> any idea why or how to fix ?
1398 [12:37:27] <nadersith> you mean ctrl+alt+f1 is not working?
1399 [12:38:21] <ben25> it freeze the X screen
1400 [12:38:35] <ben25> freezes even
1401 [12:38:42] <ben25> zzz
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1404 [12:39:46] <Somelauw> Is there an anki package on stretch?
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1406 [12:40:14] <nadersith>
replaced-url
1407 [12:40:26] <nadersith> no stretch nor buster package
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1410 [12:40:56] <nadersith>
replaced-url
1411 [12:40:58] <nadersith> binaries here
1412 [12:40:59] <Somelauw> was it removed, why would it not
inherit the package from wheezy?
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1414 [12:42:55] <nadersith>
replaced-url
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1421 [12:45:46] <Somelauw> will installing the binary result in
problems in the long term? (conflicting libraries or something)
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1423 [12:46:46] <FinalX> Somelauw: if packages are no longer
actively maintained, they risk being taken out of the next releases.
even if there's nothing wrong with it at that time.
1424 [12:47:17] <FinalX> it needs an active maintainer for in case
something does go wrong with the software
1425 [12:47:35] <darxmurf> I have this machine with this SATA
controler: 09:00.0 SATA controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd.
88SE9128 PCIe SATA 6 Gb/s RAID controller with HyperDuo (rev 11)
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1427 [12:47:55] <darxmurf> how can I see if there is a RAID
configured ?
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1429 [12:48:51] <FinalX> if it's hardware raid, you'll
need the controllers tools for it
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1435 [12:49:24] <darxmurf> not sure if marvell is selling this
kind of cards
1436 [12:49:30] <darxmurf> it smells like those fake raid
1437 [12:49:41] <darxmurf> on the machine there is apparently no
mdRaid conf
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1439 [12:49:48] <FinalX> SATA controllers are not per definition
RAID-capable.
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1441 [12:49:59] <FinalX> my Marvell card is just that, a SATA
controller with no RAID capabilities.
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1443 [12:50:29] <FinalX> (and that's what I wanted!)
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1445 [12:50:33] <Somelauw> nadersith: unfortunately, i was unable
to install the compiled binary
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1447 [12:51:09] <ben25> hi, since the upgrade to debian 9 the
fonts used in firefox and thunderbird ui are ugly, any idea how to
fix that
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1449 [12:51:28] <SuperSeriouCat> Install prettier fonts
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1454 [12:52:24] <ben25> hmm
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1457 [12:52:37] <Somelauw> I don't understand the error
replaced-url
1458 [12:52:37] <ben25> like what?
1459 [12:52:43] <Somelauw> Should I ask here or in #anki?
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1467 [12:59:07] <C3NT4URO> hi all. I'm so newbie with
debian... so... I'm having a little problem looking for
resolv.conf ... how can i add new nameservers here?
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1469 [13:00:19] <C3NT4URO> or is it mandatory to do that via
network-manager?
1470 [13:00:34] <darxmurf> C3NT4URO: if you use the network
manager it will add them from there
1471 [13:00:42] <darxmurf> else, you have to edit by hand
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1475 [13:01:23] <darxmurf> if you want to do it by hand, just open
your resolv.conf as root and add something like
1476 [13:01:27] <darxmurf> nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
1477 [13:01:28] <edi> C3NT4URO, there's also smt like
resolvconf cmd
1478 [13:01:40] <edi> to update the resolf.conf file
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1481 [13:02:42] <C3NT4URO> thx for the response so... i did the
modifications in etc/network/interfaces, but there is no
/etc/resolv.conf (just one moment, i will check it now)
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1485 [13:05:00] <darxmurf> is the network manager running ?
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1511 [13:17:08] <Trap-Chan> if i get an upgrade harddrive for my
computer how challenging is the process to migrate my debian
install?
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1516 [13:20:20] <colo-work> Trap-Chan, generally speaking,
it's rather easy. you can use something like Clonezilla to skip
manual work that the migration would otherwise entail
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1518 [13:21:08] <cyphix> Hi. I'm trying to install debian on
a lenovo ideapad 110-15ISK. My wireless card is not detected.
I'm trying to identify the kernel modules to install, but I
can't find what is required. The command 'lspci -knn |
grep -i netw -A2' gives me the following output: "02:00.0
Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Device [8086] (rev 99)
Subsystem: Intel Corporation Device [8086:4210]". There's
no mention of
1519 [13:21:09] <Trap-Chan> and that'll get everything i need
like mbr and exploding the partition(s)?
1520 [13:21:10] <cyphix> the drivers used, so I don't know
what to install.
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1523 [13:21:48] <bolt> Trap-Chan: just switch the drives and
restore your backup. you have a backup, right? ^^
1524 [13:21:59] <bolt> Trap-Chan: your answer is "yes"
:)
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1527 [13:22:46] <Trap-Chan> no backups it's a very young
install.
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1529 [13:23:55] <Trap-Chan> if it's just an HTPC is a total
backup advised or don't backup my roms/movies/shows to save
backup media?
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1532 [13:25:41] <slax0r> why not just install on the new harddrive
then, and copy over your stuff?
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1537 [13:28:12] <Trap-Chan> wouldn't it be faster to
clone/migrate than to fresh install and then install kodi/retroarch
via apt and top it off by migrating my media?
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1539 [13:29:07] <colo-work> Trap-Chan, only you can decide/know
that :)
1540 [13:29:17] <colo-work> from what info you have provided, the
answer is probably "yes"
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1543 [13:30:20] <state> Hello, earlier this morning I was testing
out some mp3 recordings and opened more than one instance of
Audacity, which seems to be a no-no. My xsession crashed and when I
try to log in, I get "warning: unable to write to /tmp; X
session may exit with error" How do I get bck into my install?
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1572 [13:39:23] <cyphix> no idea how I can identify the required
kernel driver?
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1577 [13:40:31] <colo-work> cyphix, when was that notebook put on
the market? and what Debian release are you trying to install/set up
on it?
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1579 [13:40:44] <colo-work> (if it's recent, chances are the
driver needed is "iwlwifi")
1580 [13:41:13] <cyphix> colo-work It's recent indeed. And I
have the stable debian release.
1581 [13:41:26] <colo-work> so that is 9.1/stretch?
1582 [13:41:35] <cyphix> I installed iwlwifi-firmware, but I
don't know what to do next
1583 [13:41:47] <colo-work> try `sudo modprobe iwlwifi`
1584 [13:42:04] <colo-work> if that doesn't work, try `sudo
modprobe -r iwlwifi` first
1585 [13:42:06] <colo-work> then the above again
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1588 [13:42:20] <colo-work> then check/nopaste the output of `sudo
dmesg | tail -n 20`
1589 [13:42:41] <cyphix> colo-work: ah, non, c'est la version
8.9
1590 [13:42:51] <state> Hello, earlier this morning I was testing
out some mp3 recordings and opened more than one instance of
Audacity, which seems to be a no-no. My xsession crashed and when I
try to log in, I get "warning: unable to write to /tmp; X
session may exit with error" How do I get bck into my install?
1591 [13:42:54] <colo-work> cyphix, you should give 9.1 a go then
:)
1592 [13:43:08] <colo-work> chances are the jessie kernel
doesn't know about your adapter's PCIID yet
1593 [13:43:10] <cyphix> colo-work: sorry for my french :)
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1595 [13:43:33] <state> I already tried ctrl alt f3 and did
'rm -rf /tmp/* ' to no avail
1596 [13:45:03] <cyphix> colo-work: ok, I'll upgrade, and try
to load the module manually to see if it works
1597 [13:45:29] <colo-work> cyphix, chances are you won't
have to do anything manually after the upgrade
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1599 [13:45:38] <cyphix> ok, good
1600 [13:46:02] <colo-work> state, can you paste the output of `ls
-ld /tmp/' in here?
1601 [13:46:06] <jelly> judd: pciid 8086:4210
1602 [13:46:07] <judd> [8086:4210] is 'Unknown device'
from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules
'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See
also
replaced-url
1603 [13:46:55] <jelly> cyphix: that's probably the wired
ethernet interface, anything else network related in lspci -nn
output?
1604 [13:47:21] <cyphix> jelly: no, that's what worries me, I
can't find a wireless mention
1605 [13:47:23] <state> Yeah, I will have to log out from here and
come back. I dualboot, my Windows install is fine. Just Debian side
is borked.
1606 [13:47:36] <state> : -(
1607 [13:47:56] <state> Normally it is Windows that is borked.
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1610 [13:48:24] <state> I ran more than one instance of Audcaity,
had no idea that was a no-no
1611 [13:48:30] <state> Audacity
1612 [13:48:34] <colo-work> state, can you paste the output of `ls
-ld /tmp/' in here?
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1614 [13:48:51] <colo-work> did you start audacity as root/via
sudo?
1615 [13:49:02] <state> colo-work, no
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1620 [13:49:55] <jelly> ,kernels
1621 [13:49:56] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.13.0-rc5-686 (4.13~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.12.0-1-686
(4.12.6-1); buster: 4.12.0-1-686 (4.12.6-1); stretch-backports:
4.11.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.11.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686
(4.9.30-2+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686
(4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae
(3.16.43-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
1622 [13:49:57] <judd> (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy:
3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-2)
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1632 [13:55:35] <jelly> judd: pciid 8086:4210 --release
stretch-backports
1633 [13:55:36] <judd> [8086:4210] is 'Unknown device'
from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules
'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in
stretch-backports. See also
replaced-url
1634 [13:55:44] <jelly> no drivers there yet
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1639 [13:58:13] <state> colo-work, you there?
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1643 [13:59:24] <state> 'drwxrwxrwt 8 root root 4096 Aug 28
07:55 /tmp/ '
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1678 [14:10:53] <colo-work> state, those look sane to me
1679 [14:11:02] <colo-work> so it's not a permission problem
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1681 [14:11:33] <state> Hrm, and I cannot get into my xsession
what-so-freakin-ever
1682 [14:11:34] <colo-work> hmm, does the login manager have
PrivateTemp these days?
1683 [14:11:42] <colo-work> did you reboot already?
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1685 [14:11:57] <state> yeah, that is how I got the output you
sought
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1702 [14:18:27] <hoijui> when i run debian 9.1 live from USB (or
installed on my HD), i get a black screen late in the booting
process, and nothign hapens anymore
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1704 [14:18:41] <hoijui> when i add the kernel param acpi=off, i
get into X just fine
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1707 [14:19:04] <hoijui> this is on an IBM ThinkPad X60 with
libreboot
1708 [14:19:38] <hoijui> so the question is... can i somehow find
out what part of ACPI is causing the problem?
1709 [14:19:46] <hoijui> can i turn off parts individually?
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1713 [14:23:05] <armin> am i correct that i would need to call
logrotate one time per hour from cron.hourly if i would want some
logfiles for some services to be rotated hourly?
1714 [14:23:26] <armin> i keep asking myself if i would actually
call a rotation when triggering this manually for testing purposes.
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1738 [14:36:46] <d3lphi> hi.Running Debian Jessie and cups wont
start.I already purged everything related to cups and reinstalled by
"apt-get install cups" but the service fails with
"22271 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/cupsd -f (code=exited,
status=226/NAMESPACE)" systemd[22271]: Failed at step NAMESPACE
spawning /usr/sbin/cupsd: Operation not permitted systemd[1]:
cups.service: main process exited, code=exited, status=226/NAMESPACE
systemd
1739 [14:36:52] <d3lphi> [1]: Unit cups.service entered failed
state. I have no clue what else to try, any help appreciated
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1741 [14:37:21] <d3lphi> OS is up-to-date (apt-get update
&& apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade(
1742 [14:40:19] <andrew2221> Hi everyone. A quick question, maybe
not debian specific.. I need a customized grep/ack, thought there
are some foo-s here to help me out. Basically I need to find a
string recursively in many folders, but only in specific file.
Meaning, I have several folders, which may, or may not contain a
specific subfolder, in which there is an .inc file (text
1743 [14:40:19] <andrew2221> ). Inside that file (if exist), I
need to get the line containing the specified string, and print the
line and the filename. Any ideas?
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1745 [14:42:13] <gpunk> andrew2221: man grep
1746 [14:43:56] <FinalX> ...and "find"
1747 [14:44:09] <gpunk> grep -r... will replace the find
1748 [14:44:17] <JyZyXEL> sudo apt-get build-dep mesa
1749 [14:44:19] <JyZyXEL> E: Build-Depends dependency for mesa
cannot be satisfied because candidate version of package libdrm-dev
can't satisfy version requirements
1750 [14:44:42] <FinalX> gpunk: no, he wants to only grep in
specific files. if he has a huge dataset, recursively grepping might
grep through terabytes of data, where otherwise it might only grep a
few bytes.
1751 [14:44:48] <FinalX> it's _really_ not the same thing
1752 [14:45:02] <andrew2221> gpunk: Right.. That should be the
first stop. This command "find . -name '*.inc' -exec
grep -i 'server_sqldb' {} \; -print > ~/slqdb.txt"
does almost what I need, but there are a lot of .inc files in many
folders, and the .inc file I am interested in can be any of 3
filenames..
1753 [14:45:03] <gpunk> in some cases yes I agree
1754 [14:45:34] <FinalX> andrew2221: -name 'name1.inc'
-o -name 'name2.inc' -o 'name3.inc'
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1756 [14:46:13] <FinalX> you can also specify min- and maxdepth of
directory levels, and possibly even the specific dirname in the
name, like -name 'specialdir/name1.inc'
1757 [14:46:45] <andrew2221> FinalX: Oh, ok.. Let me try that..
(What I wanted is to speed up the process, it takes too long to
execute like I did before, 5min+..)
1758 [14:46:57] <FinalX> so if you know your files are a maximum
of 3 levels deep, and not deeper, but you might have a lot of deeper
structured dirs, you can skip find looping over those with
-maxdepth, saving time
1759 [14:47:29] <FinalX> and if you know it's exactly 3
levels deep, you can use -mindepth 3 -maxdepth 3 to make sure that
it _only_ searches 3 levels deep, and skips 1-2 levels and 4+
1760 [14:47:45] <andrew2221> FinalX: Great, thank you.. Let me
test out those tips..
1761 [14:48:21] <FinalX> and then you can also make it so it only
searches for *real files* with -type f (will skip directory names
and links)
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1764 [14:49:17] <FinalX> there's a lot of other options you
can narrow it down with if you have even more specifications
available, like special user id, group id, size, modification time,
etc.
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1769 [14:51:03] <andrew2221> FinalX: I guess there's no need
to be that specific, user/group may vary, but giving -o -name it
seems doesn't help that much in performance. I am trying to
include the directory as well now.
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1774 [14:52:19] <andrew2221> FinalX: Is there a way to print the
results in the same line? Should I check the man?
1775 [14:52:40] <andrew2221> I mean the resulted line and the
filename with path..
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1777 [14:53:25] <FinalX> andrew2221: xargs echo -n ? :)
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1790 [14:58:32] <Krennic> hmm
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1792 [14:59:09] <andrew2221> FinalX: Specifying | xargs.. does not
show me any results (tho it's working in the background), and
adding the path to the file (which I know), and using -wholename
instead of -name, same, doesn't print anything out.
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1794 [15:00:09] <FinalX> andrew2221: | xargs will get processed
once it has enough lines to go on, so basically at the end of find
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1796 [15:00:16] <tw> | tr $'\n' ' ' might also
work.
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1799 [15:00:45] <petemc> if you use the absolute path for find it
will print absolute path
1800 [15:01:01] <andrew2221> FinalX: Did not know that neither,
thank you, let's see..
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1803 [15:01:40] <andrew2221> petemc: I can't use absolute
paths, folders are different, and need recursion.
1804 [15:01:51] <petemc> what?
1805 [15:02:03] <petemc> find /top/dir -type f...
1806 [15:02:05] <andrew2221> Tho find is recursive afaik..
1807 [15:02:12] <FinalX> andrew2221: oh, eh. I misread earlier.
what path do you need to add to what file? the filename find
outputs? and path being the full path it finds it in?
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1809 [15:02:39] <FinalX> find is recursive, yes, and if you do
find /full/path instead of find ., it will display /full/path as
start instead of ./
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1812 [15:03:42] <andrew2221> FinalX: I know where those 3 .inc
files might be (if they are present), e.g.
app/config/environment.inc, so I thought I can user -wholename
'app/config/environment.inc' -o ...
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1815 [15:04:19] <andrew2221> FinalX: right, but in my case full
path is not needed, so it's ok with ./
1816 [15:04:33] <forcerecon> Hello Debian, I have been too
#evolution and #pgp but no one is around so I am going to ask here..
- I am trying to understand pgp a little better.. when I download my
public key and send it to someone as a text file. What lets say if
they were using evolution or thunderbird would they do with it so
that when they sent ME an email it was encrypted by default
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1818 [15:04:39] <forcerecon> any information is appreciated
1819 [15:04:47] <placko> I have TPLink TL-WN722N WiFi installed
and it was working on my jessie intallation. After I updated and
upgraded jessie WiFi stopped working. [Actually i am using backport
repo here [in /etc/apt/sources.list I have 'deb
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1821 [15:04:50] <FinalX> andrew2221: -wholename would need to
match the *ENTIRE* path, like
/full/path/to/app/config/environment.inc and not
app/config/environment.inc
1822 [15:05:27] <tw> If you're using find -exec grep
'filtre' {}, you probably want grep -H 'filter'
{} +
1823 [15:05:40] <tw> -H prints filenames on matches.
1824 [15:06:06] <jelly> andrew2221: you're allowed to use
globs in -path, so find wherever -type f -path
'*/app/config/environment.inc' ought to find those
specific subfolders containing a specific file
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1830 [15:07:45] <andrew2221> FinalX: :) I'm a newbie, hope
you got it by now.. :) Thanks for specifying this.
1831 [15:08:06] <andrew2221> jelly: Oh, ok.. Thank you.
1832 [15:08:10] <FinalX> np :) think jelly's comment might
help better
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1836 [15:09:44] <jelly> not hard to go from there to: find ...
-type -f \( -path ... -o -path ... -o -path ... \)
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1838 [15:09:55] <andrew2221> jelly: Yes, this seems to speed up
things a bit.. Now let's see with the -maxpath param..
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1840 [15:10:18] <jelly> -maxdepth is nice yes
1841 [15:11:48] <andrew2221> I ended up with this: find .
-maxdepth 4 -type f -wholename
'*/app/config/environment.inc' -o -wholename
'*/app/config/environment_stage.inc' -exec grep -i
'server_sqldb' {} \; -print
1842 [15:12:22] <jelly> put \( \) around those -wholename ... -o
-wholename ...
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1844 [15:12:51] <andrew2221> And it performs quite well, the only
thing is missing now is the "path/to/file" "line with
values" on the same line, each find in separate lines..
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1847 [15:13:22] <jelly> tell grep to output the file name.
1848 [15:13:31] <andrew2221> FinalX: |xargs put me everything in
one line..
1849 [15:14:04] <andrew2221> jelly: Ok, \(\) is present now.
1850 [15:14:09] <GilesB> Is there anything I would do differently
upgrading from wheezy to stretch? (prepare for an upgrade, check
system status, change apt sources, minimal package updates then full
package updates)
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1852 [15:15:40] <FinalX> andrew2221: yeah, like I said, I misread
your question
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1855 [15:16:50] <andrew2221> Well, it's good enough for me
the way it is like now. Greatly appreciate your help guys. :)
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1857 [15:17:25] <andrew2221> FinalX: Thank you. jelly: Thank you.
1858 [15:17:32] <FinalX> no prob, glad you got it sorted :)
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1862 [15:18:31] <andrew2221> Have a nice day/night everyone.. :)
Bye.
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1876 [15:22:58] <person_> hi
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1878 [15:23:59] <person_> for some reason music plays much more
silent in rhytmbox than in clementine, but on ubuntu clementine
plays louder than on debian
1879 [15:24:03] <person_> what could be the reason?
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1883 [15:26:58] <GilesB> What does `W: Ignoring Provides line with
DepCompareOp for package xxxxxxx` mean
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1892 [15:29:04] <person_> GilesB: I duckduckgoed it and this is
what I found
replaced-url
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1894 [15:29:13] <tyrone> can somebody help me with my phone
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1896 [15:29:32] <person_> does it run debian?
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1905 [15:31:10] <GilesB> person_: Oh I guess because I am
upgrading apt is too old.
1906 [15:31:37] <jelly> person_: (install and) open pavucontrol,
configure volume for each app while it plays something
1907 [15:32:21] <jelly> GilesB: it means you're using
repositories with features newer than what your apt version
considers as valid
1908 [15:32:36] <GilesB> jelly: Thanks got it.
1909 [15:33:16] <jelly> either you're mixing repos from
different releases (that leads to breakage!) or using a repo
that's not properly configured for your debian release
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1917 [15:37:02] <person_> jelly: thanks this solved the problem :)
perhaps you know why it happens?
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1920 [15:39:03] <jelly> person_: mostly because pulseaudio
remembers things on a per-application basis, but distros forget to
point you to the one most useful tool where you can actually see
that
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1922 [15:40:13] <jelly> desktop environment, like Gnome, also
force their own mixer apps which inevitably also do not show the
whole picture
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1925 [15:40:29] <person_> jelly: good to know! I hope increasing
the volume doesn't decrease the sound quality, but I assume it
does when it's about 100%?
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1927 [15:41:02] <jelly> you might get clipping if you go _above_
100%
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1930 [15:41:32] <person_> alright thanks!
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1932 [15:42:41] <nvz> has there ever been a chkdisk substitute for
checking and repairing ntfs made for Debian? I got a brand new
passport 1tb on a remote system that I've been trying to backup
to and its just over half full and everytime I log back in its
remounted to a different location with buffer read errors in dmesg
1933 [15:42:45] <eugenmayer> is there any way to use a boot-flag
for the debian installer to avoid predictable names for interfaces
like net.ifnames=0 ?
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1935 [15:43:42] <nvz> eugenmayer: the debian installer has a
bootloader just like anything else, you should be able to edit the
kernel command line and as I recall there is a kernel param to
disable systemd's naming scheme though I don't remember
what it is
1936 [15:43:45] <johnkeates> nvz: ntfsfix?
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1938 [15:44:30] <nvz> johnkeates: is this something third party? I
checked the apt-cache on this machine and couldnt find anything. Its
running jessie
1939 [15:44:36] <jelly> nvz: there's no actual fsck for NTFS
for Linux, use native tools
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1942 [15:44:47] <johnkeates> nvz: it was part of ntfsprogs and is
part of ntfs-3g now
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1944 [15:44:54] <nvz> johnkeates: oh ok.
1945 [15:44:55] <eugenmayer> nvz: the point is, if that will be
valid "in-target"
1946 [15:45:03] <eugenmayer> during the possibel chroot or
whatever is done
1947 [15:45:11] <jelly> nvz: the ntfsfix thing can only deal with
a couple very simple issues
1948 [15:45:16] <nvz> jelly: yes I been trying to get hold of
someone out there to put it onto a windows machine and chkdisk it
but nobody is answering
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1950 [15:45:26] <johnkeates> ntfsfix is limited indeed.
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1952 [15:46:10] <Devastator> I'm about to install debian to
use samba as AD, any ideas on how can I partition my HDD for it?
maybe use LVM? HDD size is 750GB
1953 [15:46:59] <johnkeates> alway use lvm
1954 [15:47:07] <johnkeates> maybe zfs or btrfs
1955 [15:47:25] <nvz> well let me ask you this, what does these
" Buffer I/O error on device" suggest to you? normally
when I seen old drives failing its an issue of read/write IO, I
never seen it say "buffer" before this is a new USB WD
Passport 1TB that is only about 54% full so far
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1957 [15:47:40] <jelly> nvz: you could just download and boot a
windows iso image, I _think_ those have chkdsk on them
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1960 [15:48:00] <nvz> I mean I'm sure a chkdisk could correct
any filesystem errors but if the hardware is failing thats a problem
1961 [15:48:01] <Devastator> johnkeates does debian support zfs
natively now?
1962 [15:48:02] <johnkeates> get one of those free microsoft
browser test images
1963 [15:48:06] <johnkeates> Devastator: yes
1964 [15:48:16] <johnkeates> Devastator: also no, but mostly yet
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1966 [15:48:40] <Devastator> johnkeates eh, what? haha
1967 [15:48:42] <nvz> jelly: this is a remote system, though it
does already have several versions of windows in virtualbox but that
doesn't really help me from here
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1971 [15:49:40] <jelly> nvz: a remote system can run a VM solution
like vbox, that can boot off iso and attach a usb drive
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1977 [15:50:34] <nvz> jelly: well if you really think that's
a resonable solution then I need some help with getting vnc to work
over ssh because I tried it last night and it was giving me errors
trying to connect
1978 [15:50:35] <johnkeates> Devastator: i boot my debian from zfs
directly
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1981 [15:51:04] <jelly> nvz: vbox GUI is a X11 app, just run it
over ssh -X
1982 [15:51:18] <arosusi> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Debian
buster/sid • CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X3430 @ 2.40GHz
(1.46GHz) • Memory: Physical: 15.3 GiB Total (4.8 GiB Free)
Swap: 64.8 GiB Total (64.8 GiB Free) • Storage: 5.4 TB / 12.4
TB (7.1 TB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
Oland GL [FirePro W2100] @ Intel Corporation Core Processor DMI
• Uptime: 5d 4h 29m 19s
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1984 [15:51:38] <nvz> jelly: hmm.. does that have more overhead on
my end because I am still on this damn orangepilite :P
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1987 [15:53:00] * nvz logs off to reconnect with -X and try something
simpler than vbox first
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1989 [15:54:12] <nvz> is this a problem? it said "Warning: No
xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding."
when I logged in.
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1991 [15:55:03] <nvz> apparently not, I ran a mate-terminal from
the remote machine
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1996 [15:57:35] <nvz> another thing that worries me about doing
this is that I can't seem to run these apps in something like
screen so if the connection gets lost and I'm trying to do a
chkdsk in virtualbox thats not gonna be pretty
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1998 [15:58:40] <nvz> if I did vnc then the apps would stay
running even if I lost connection
1999 [15:58:51] <nvz> jelly: any thoughts on that aspect^
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2003 [16:00:31] <nvz> I'm also thinking vnc would decrease
overhead on the client side which is definately an issue considering
I have less than 500mb ram and no video acccel on this machine
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2005 [16:02:15] <jmcnaught> nvz: maybe try xpra?
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2008 [16:02:41] <numbdewd> nvz: program 2>&1 & ?
2009 [16:02:51] <numbdewd> (to run in backgruond.. however)..
maybe not?
2010 [16:03:13] <nvz> jmcnaught: hmm I never heard of that, seems
interesting I'll test it with mate-terminal running htop and
see if that works
2011 [16:03:14] <jelly> nvz: valid point
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2013 [16:03:25] <jelly> wrt losing connection
2014 [16:03:35] <jelly> not wrt vnc, vnc is crap
2015 [16:03:53] <jelly> or at least, linux vnc clients and servers
are.
2016 [16:04:05] <nvz> yes but thats the advantage in this case,
its crap so I can lower the bpp and screen res and make it run real
light
2017 [16:04:13] <nvz> heh
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2019 [16:04:36] <Devastator> does anyone here uses debian with
samba and can advise me if I should use separated folders or all in
/ is ok?
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2022 [16:05:01] <nvz> problem was I was doing ssh -L
5901:localhost:5901 and when I tried vncviewer :1 I got an error in
ssh on the remote side
2023 [16:05:04] <jelly> arosusi: you might want to disable (or
avoid doing) that in #debian
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2025 [16:05:32] * nvz tries this xpra thing
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2028 [16:06:06] <numbdewd> set vnc to a non-default port as well,
not 590x .. just a tip...just incase, yknow.. ^_-
2029 [16:06:28] <tremolo> Devastator: If it's a file server
and you have everything in one partition, you'll want to enable
quotas or similar to make sure samba users don't fill your root
partition.
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2032 [16:06:50] <nvz> numbdewd: this is over ssh with key only
access and highly temporary changing the port (which ssh is on a
non-standard port) is hardly increasing security any
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2036 [16:07:51] <numbdewd> o..
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2038 [16:08:41] <nvz> hmm.. apparently I needed to install xpra on
this side.. heh. I installed it on the remote side and read the
manpage and it seems this is a viewer app not a server app. idk how
the heck that works when it needs to stay running on the server side
not here
2039 [16:08:43] <Devastator> tremolo it will be an AD, any advise?
maybe separated /home from /?
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2041 [16:09:31] <tremolo> I've never used samba as a domain
controller, so I probably don't have much useful input there.
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2046 [16:11:11] <Devastator> tremolo hum, as a test I'm gonna
try separated /home, let's see how it goes
2047 [16:11:13] <Devastator> thank you!
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2052 [16:13:11] <nvz> you may need to put in checks to make sure
the filesystem is mounted before allowing a user to login when using
a remote /home
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2054 [16:13:19] <jelly> numbdewd: vnc is only safe bound to
localhost, and accessed via ssh tunnel; port number is irrelevant
after that
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2056 [16:13:43] <numbdewd> oo.. not sure how that'd
happen,but sounds smart ..nice
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2061 [16:14:46] <jelly> ssh -L ...:localhost:... does the
"accessed via ssh tunnel' bit
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2063 [16:16:11] <nvz> numbdewd: many apps by default will bind to
* or 0.0.0.0 which listen on all interfaces, but for particularly
insecure applications you bind only on loopback, localhost, or
127.0.0.1 and then the only way to access them outside that machine
is via ssh port forwarding
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2067 [16:18:36] <numbdewd> nvz: aah.. cool.. nice
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2079 [16:26:16] <nvz> numbdewd: changing ports only really stops
the dumbest automated attacks anyhow, it will cut down on abuse but
someone actually targeting you will just portscan you, and in that
case your only defenses are things like fail2ban, active firewalls
that detect this sort of thing, or using port knocking which keeps
the port closed until a secret sequence of "knocks" are
applied to the right ports, which will fool s
2080 [16:26:22] <nvz> omeone port scanning
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2095 [16:30:08] <nvz> problem I'm currently having is
figuring out how to properly specify the non-standard ssh port on
this xpra thing.. it seems to say ssh:user@host:port/display but
that didn't work either.
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2100 [16:31:15] <nvz> ah no, fwiw its ssh/user@host:port/display
:)
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2107 [16:35:25] <nvz> there was a mild learning curve but this
xpra is really slick
2108 [16:35:56] <numbdewd> "sslh accepts connections on
specified ports, and forwards them further based on tests performed
on the first data packet sent by the remote client." --- is
this kinda like a 'port knocking' app ?
2109 [16:36:13] <numbdewd> (
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2110 [16:36:33] <numbdewd> "Applicative Protocol Multiplexer
(e.g. share SSH and HTTPS on the same port"
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2113 [16:37:33] <nvz> wow.. this is incredibly smooth.. I'm
running a 64bit XP off a remote machine via virtualbox on this
orangepilite and its running as smooth as if it were running
natively on the core2 duo on the other end, no lag at all
2114 [16:37:34] <jelly> numbdewd: it's like a reverse proxy.
2115 [16:38:06] <numbdewd> o..uh, hummm... hm . . . .
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2117 [16:38:46] <nvz> jelly: an mc esher proxy :P
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2119 [16:39:16] <jelly> something that looks at incoming requests
and forwards the traffic to an appropriate backend service
2120 [16:39:47] <numbdewd> o.. so kinda like port knocking with
built-in forwarding routing-rules..kinda ?
2121 [16:40:10] <jelly> it's not really port knocking,
it's protocol knocking since only one port is used
2122 [16:40:19] <nvz> nothing like port knocking, connecting to
ssh binds the local port to a remote port
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2124 [16:40:42] <numbdewd> hm
2125 [16:40:45] <numbdewd> ..k...hmh.
2126 [16:41:19] <nvz> I could run vnc on a non-standard 7000 and
bind that remote:7000 to local:5901 and then connect to localhost:1
with a vnc viewer and ssh handles the rest
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2128 [16:41:46] <nvz> and does so over an encrypted connection
without needing additional ports open on the router
2129 [16:42:11] <SerajewelKS> it's a bit like a "light
VPN", but not exactly
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2132 [16:43:06] <jelly> port knocking is used when you don't
want a service exposed right away. sslh does a bit of the opposite,
multiple services are exposed
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2134 [16:43:43] <jelly> not sure how it deals with protocols that
require a banner on the server side
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2136 [16:43:48] <jelly> like ssh
2137 [16:44:30] <apollo13> you a) probably can just have one of
those and b) it will present that after a certain timeout
2138 [16:44:35] <SerajewelKS> maybe sslh can figure some out based
on details of the TLS handshake
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2140 [16:44:57] <SerajewelKS> e.g. HTTPS will probably using SNI,
but ssh probably will not be
2141 [16:44:59] <apollo13> SerajewelKS: there would be no tls
handshake involved
2142 [16:45:12] <apollo13> also on ssh the server is the one to
send the first byte…
2143 [16:45:25] <jelly> ssh doesn't try TLS at all, so
that's a clue
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2145 [16:45:32] <SerajewelKS> oh right, i forgot ssh does its own
thing
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2149 [16:45:48] <apollo13> jelly: clue is relative, the client
doesn't provide __anything__ for ssh :)
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2152 [16:46:17] <FinalX> we actually made a little program in the
past that did autodetection of ssl/tls and ssh. if it was trying to
do ssl/tls, it would forward it to the webserver, if not, to
openssh.
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2155 [16:46:31] <numbdewd> are there anywhere maintaining a list
of hosts to "bounce" pings between for some
reasons...like, one ping hostA, hostA pings hostB, if hostB up pings
hostC etc..?
2156 [16:46:50] <numbdewd> just wondered about uses, and possible
reliability of something like ..(the following~>)
2157 [16:46:51] <numbdewd> "pingfs is a filesystem where the
data is stored only in the Internet itself, as ICMP Echo packets
(pings) travelling from you to remote servers and
back[..]implemented using raw sockets and FUSE[..]To run pingfs you
have to create a lists of hosts to bounce your data on. Hosts far
away give greater latency and bigger storage capacity, while very
close hosts lower both properties by around a facto
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2161 [16:47:24] <numbdewd> while possibly not disturbing the
"natural flow" either..or much. maybe even take advantage
of some lag for once
2162 [16:47:37] <apollo13> FinalX: so basically your program
detected if it got a byte from the client in the first 500ms and
then redirected accordingly? :D I'd bet you can probably to
that with iptables alone
2163 [16:48:03] <SerajewelKS> apollo13: iptables is not stateful,
not sure how you would implement that
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2167 [16:48:43] <apollo13> SerajewelKS: not stateful? that is
something you have to explain to me
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2169 [16:49:09] <apollo13> if iptables is not stateful, how can
you even know what return traffic is?
2170 [16:49:17] <SerajewelKS> apollo13: iptables (generally)
doesn't keep track of connections, it mostly operates on
discrete packets. there are some exceptions (mostly in -m state).
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2172 [16:49:25] <apollo13> ;)
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2174 [16:49:44] <babilen>
replaced-url
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2178 [16:50:20] <SerajewelKS> and for MASQUERADE it will keep
track of some state. but generally, iptables has no context for a
packet outside of that specific packet. plus, what you're
talking about is triggering behavior if no packet is received for
500ms. i'm positive iptables doesn't have any mechanism to
trigger behavior without an incoming packet.
2179 [16:50:21] <apollo13> yeah, I was thinking of conntrack
mainly, which is imo something basically everyone uses?
2180 [16:50:22] <FinalX> apollo13: not sure exactly what we did. I
still have the source here, but we stopped using it :) it was so
people with firewalls that blocked ssh could ssh to port 443 while
we would still have our website there.
2181 [16:50:56] <SerajewelKS> iptables reacts to packets, it
doesn't do anything on its own
2182 [16:50:58] <apollo13> SerajewelKS: you might be right on the
latter one, would have to check that
2183 [16:51:00] <FinalX> apollo13: actually, I'm entirely
wrong, checking the source now. I remember wrong: It didn't
check for SSL/TLS. Only plain HTTP and SSH otherwise.
2184 [16:51:14] <FinalX> And it was obviously only running on port
80, then.
2185 [16:51:29] <apollo13> FinalX: not that it would make any diff
;)
2186 [16:51:38] <FinalX> no, not really :)
2187 [16:51:51] <SerajewelKS> FinalX: it's much easier to
just configure the web server to permit "CONNECT
127.0.0.1:22" ;)
2188 [16:52:08] <FinalX> nowadays, sure.
2189 [16:52:12] <SerajewelKS> and proxy ssh over HTTP. i've
done this before.
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2191 [16:52:50] <FinalX> but with that thing you didn't need
to do anything on the client side. ssh -p 80 would just work, as
would
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2192 [16:52:54] <numbdewd> also, and also good for places
like..hotels, businesses etc. with some landing page when u connect
to their wifi demanding registration.... if it allows dns or ping,
may tunnel traffic thru that instead (icmp and/or dns queries
apparently rarely disallowed,) too
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2194 [16:53:18] <numbdewd> stunnel , shadowsocks .. ?
2195 [16:53:22] * FinalX runs multiple VPN-servers on multiple ports and
protocols :)
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2197 [16:53:35] <FinalX> especially 53 udp is usually not blocked
2198 [16:54:02] <numbdewd> oo..cool..good to know--will continue
on that track then..hopefully figuring such a relay myself some time
=D hmh
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2201 [16:54:23] <SerajewelKS> a hotel we stayed at recently had
paid wifi, but had free ethernet. good thing laptops are easily made
into routers. :)
2202 [16:54:30] <FinalX> hehehe
2203 [16:54:39] <SerajewelKS> was faster anyway, no radio
interference
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2206 [16:54:45] <apollo13> FinalX: mhm I am getting more and more
wifis were external DNS is blocked and TCP over DNS is no fun :D
2207 [16:54:46] <numbdewd> ..any idea if when setup with dnscurve
/ curve dns , or possibly alternatively dnssec & dnscrypt ,
would still work as well (or at all), or those things complicate
things..?
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2209 [16:54:52] <FinalX> I always carry around a raspberry pi 3,
it comes with both ethernet and a wlan built in
2210 [16:55:09] <SerajewelKS> yeah for awhile i was making a point
to take a wireless router with me when i traveled
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2212 [16:55:19] <SerajewelKS> but that's kind of redundant
when you have a computer, too
2213 [16:55:21] <FinalX> there's little devices that do all
of that now
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2215 [16:55:28] <numbdewd> phone, cable, adapter + huge antenna
hidden under coat
2216 [16:55:44] <FinalX> trenchcoat, and get called a pervert?
2217 [16:55:52] <SerajewelKS> i mean as much as i dislike windows,
there's a single button you can press on windows 10 that
creates a wireless AP for sharing access to an ethernet connection
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2219 [16:56:09] <FinalX> yeah. same with android 6/7 though.
2220 [16:56:19] <FinalX> hook up wifi, mobile hotspot, done
2221 [16:56:21] <SerajewelKS> well yeah, but for cellular
2222 [16:56:28] <SerajewelKS> which usually isn't free ;)
2223 [16:56:29] <jelly> there's a button for that in N-M,
hidden quite well
2224 [16:56:30] <FinalX> no, mine does for wifi too :)
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2226 [16:56:44] <FinalX> (Samsung S7 with Android 7)
2227 [16:56:45] <SerajewelKS> i mean it shares your cellular
connection over wifi
2228 [16:56:57] <apollo13> SerajewelKS:
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2229 [16:56:57] <FinalX> it also reshares wifi connections over
wifi
2230 [16:57:00] <numbdewd> open wifi..and some app preset to auto
remote root exploit & insert itself onto every visiting device,
dns spoof,arp poison etc. along with sslstrip,sslsplit, mitmproxy,
bettercap etc. and possibly injecting JS and some persistent
backdoors of sorts too to top it off... so many phones connect to
any open wifi...
2231 [16:57:03] <apollo13> it is one click on gnome too ;)
2232 [16:57:03] <FinalX> not just cellular
2233 [16:57:13] <SerajewelKS> FinalX: that's.... very
situational?
2234 [16:57:34] <numbdewd> disaster waiting to happen ive bn
thinkin.. too lazy to try get that sorta setup^ goin in a proper
interesting way myself , lol, but assuming working as ive thought
seems just a matter of gettin to it..hm
2235 [16:57:46] <SerajewelKS> apollo13: maybe it's better
than it used to be. i've had very bad luck with features like
that just working.
2236 [16:58:02] <apollo13> SerajewelKS: same can be said about
that feature in win 10 XD
2237 [16:58:22] <FinalX> howso? works excellently. I use my
cellphone to share my cellular data _and_ wifi points on my own wifi
network ("mobile hotspot") to all my other devices. only
have to configure the phone. I always have my phone on, my laptop
isn't always on
2238 [16:58:25] <SerajewelKS> not had any issues with it before
2239 [16:58:42] <numbdewd> mayb add dormancy to , besides dump
wifi-info n other credentials, wait until into other network (like
work/office) before it launches its mass attack , lol
2240 [16:58:58] <numbdewd> ...wifi...bluetooth...all
that......those packets flyin thru the air.. scary stuffz^^
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2244 [16:59:17] <numbdewd> lol
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2248 [17:01:43] <numbdewd> btw., i used the "gnuroot
debian" on my old android phone.. just changed the repository
list to state "stretch" instead of
"jessie".....somewhere along the way i think something
major got screwed? ..it keeps complaining about libc6 (and libc6-
related thingies..) doesn't match..blabla...i can't remove
it either.. that a very critical component is it..? maybe I did
something wrong, does this s
2249 [17:01:47] <numbdewd> ..sound like it should work..?
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2251 [17:02:08] <numbdewd> ("along the way";
"apt-get update & apt-get dist-upgrade" )
2252 [17:03:17] <JyZyXEL> can somebody tell me where can i find
the actual build log on this page:
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2253 [17:03:27] <jelly> numbdewd: you really want &&
there, not &
2254 [17:03:36] <JyZyXEL> none of the links seem to go to the
actual build log
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2256 [17:04:15] <Dan2gM82hrbE5Qi5> hi guys
2257 [17:04:38] <numbdewd> yeah sry, was meant for spelling, not
the code.. my bad,not clarified... was thinkin bout taht myself
after :z
2258 [17:05:09] <numbdewd> thx tho! ..good info had i not known it
already,n apprecciate the continued input despite my n00b-ness :P =]
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2260 [17:05:14] <JyZyXEL> ah, you have to click the green
"Installed" button :D
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2283 [17:17:28] <Ormu> :O
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2289 [17:18:35] <diamjdk> Is this channel for support?
2290 [17:18:57] <Ormu> yes
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2292 [17:19:25] <diamjdk> Ormu: thank you
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2294 [17:20:16] <jelly> !ask
2295 [17:20:17] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
2296 [17:20:24] <Ormu> is FLEXlm/FLEXnet stuff still problematic
to Linux bootloaders? Should I expect problems if I install some
commercial software that apparently uses it, to this laptop that has
both Lunux and Windows? I'm not completely sure if FLEXthing is
mandatory with this software (I'm going to use USB hardlock)
but I don't like nasty surprises :|
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2309 [17:23:28] <diamjdk> I have a wireless card (Realtek) which
only if i set parameter ant_sel=1 is having a strong signal.
Otherwise it only shows one wifi network. I have tested this also
with unstable kernel (4.12.x) and it is even worse. There i have to
recompile the module from a github repository. Should i report it as
a bug?
2310 [17:23:45] <diamjdk> Module name: rtl8723be (forgotten!)
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2313 [17:24:57] <Ormu> sounds like a bug to me judging by its
consequences (deterioration of performance)
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2321 [17:27:44] <jhutchins_wk> Is there an ntpd configuration that
will prevent ntpq queries on localhost?
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2332 [17:30:10] <diamjdk> jhutchins_wk: i am not sure.
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2346 [17:34:19] <jhutchins_wk> I'm not sure that if you set a
default of noquery and don't specifically allow queries from
local host it will block them.
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2377 [17:44:40] <jhutchins_wk> Answer: yes, if you do not exempt
localhost (add a localhost line with only the restrictions that
apply), ntpq will time out.
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2398 [17:53:10] <mandeep> is ifconfig no longer installed by
default?
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2400 [17:53:38] <mandeep> or is ip the same thing
2401 [17:53:39] <nvz> mandeep: idk but its on my stretch box, most
use "ip" now instead, but either way you gotta be root to
use it
2402 [17:53:48] <mandeep> nvz: thanks
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2405 [17:54:16] <nvz> mandeep: afaik ip does everything
ifupdn,ifconfig,and route do all in one and probably more I havent
really studied the manpage
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2410 [17:56:21] <jelly> mandeep: "ip" is not the same
thing but roughly equivalent.
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2413 [17:57:23] <mandeep> nvz: jelly thanks
2414 [17:57:31] <nvz> jelly: I'd only glanced at it and did
one of those things where I'm too stubborn to learn a new
command when the old ones work, but it looked to me like it could
fully configure interfaces replacing all those other commands even
route
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2417 [17:58:09] <jelly> !ifconfig stretch
2418 [17:58:10] <dpkg> Starting with Debian 9 <stretch>,
net-tools package with ifconfig, route, netstat tools is not
installed by default.
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2420 [17:58:38] <nvz> I probably have it because I upgraded from
jessie
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2423 [17:59:28] <nvz> mandeep: I hadn't considered the fact
that I did a dist-upgrade from jessie, it appears you do need to
manually install net-tools on stretch
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2427 [18:00:13] <jelly> or learn to use the tools that Linux
networking people have tried to recommend since kernel 2.4
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2429 [18:00:39] <jelly> ip a <-- shorter to type than ifconfig
2430 [18:00:55] <jelly> ip r <-- shorter than route
2431 [18:00:57] <nvz> yeah but the syntax is a lot more cumbersome
because it does so much more
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2434 [18:01:18] <jelly> you don't need to learn all of it
right away
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2436 [18:01:59] <nvz> if you saw the script I have you'd
probably laugh.. cause it wraps ifconfig, ifup/dn, iwconfig, etc and
works pretty much exactly like ip :P
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2446 [18:04:49] <nvz> I was resistant to even learn systemd until
Don made some very compelling arguments. I'm starting to get
comfortable with systemd and journalctl now. I suppose it wouldnt
kill me to take a look at ip
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2449 [18:05:29] <AreYouLoco> test
2450 [18:05:34] <nvz> AreYouLoco: fail
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2453 [18:05:42] <jelly> nvz: it still doesn't have
automation-friendly output
2454 [18:06:20] <nvz> jelly: you mean IP? Cause iwconfig/iwlist
doesn't really either
2455 [18:06:30] <jelly> you want to write scripts, still need to
awk/grep the hell out of it. Worse than ifconfig
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2457 [18:06:46] <nvz> I've played hell trying to get those
leading whitespaces out of iwlist output
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2469 [18:09:48] <nvz> I think some apps tend to use these weird
chars that look like one thing but aren't. Because they didnt
seem to behave like tabs or spaces. I wrote a scraper recently in
python and came across a : char that was not a code 58, but like
8115 or something
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2476 [18:13:51] <ChrisH> Is there any option to allow an ordinary
user to start/stop Systemd services without the use of sudo? With
SystemV init it was possible.
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2480 [18:14:49] <zerocool> ChrisH: do the users not have sudo that
need to start/stop the service?
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2482 [18:15:08] <SerajewelKS> ChrisH: how was that possible with
systemv?
2483 [18:15:47] <zerocool> Im also curious... i can't think
of a service i'd like a regualr user to be able to start/stop.
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2488 [18:17:06] <zerocool> you might be able to script
something... have an alias to a command that will edit a file (which
is editable by them) then have a root crontab checking that file
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2493 [18:18:06] <nvz> zerocool: transmission-daemon can be run as
a normal user, and is start/stopped by systemd for example
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2497 [18:18:56] <nvz> I'm at a loss for why not sudo though,
its fairly simple to setup a command alias in sudo and give a
user/group permissions to run that alias which contains all the
start/stop/restart commands
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2499 [18:19:22] <zerocool> nvz: well isn't this the reason
there are init scripts in either /etc/systemd/system or
/etc/systemd/user?
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2503 [18:20:26] <nvz> zerocool: idk. I just crawled out from under
a rock a few months ago and I'm still banging rocks and poking
sticks at systemd trying to figure out if I should kill it and if
so, can I eat it.. heh
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2505 [18:20:52] <ChrisH> With SystemV init everyone an start
scripts and if you have the needed permissions to open ports,
logfiles, etc the service will start.
2506 [18:21:00] <zerocool> don't fear systemd it's not
as bad as they say.
2507 [18:21:30] <ChrisH> I do not like sudo that much.
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2510 [18:22:12] <zerocool> ChrisH: even if what you're saying
is true those ports would be over 1000's somewhere, because
everything under is protected and only accessible via either root or
sudo.
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2512 [18:23:22] <nvz> yeah well in my first few weeks every
problem I encountered traced back to systemd somehow, and after some
compelling arguments in favor of it, I began to learn the basics and
I'm not really unhappy with it, and I'm learning. It makes
complex things easy and easy things complex :P
2513 [18:23:30] <zerocool> i do know that there are services that
regular users can control but yeah they aren't allowed to open
ports under like 1024... maybe that's your issues. it's a
user level daemon that is trying to access privilaged ports
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2517 [18:24:51] <zerocool> nvz: it's a break in compatibility
from sysvinit and a lot of the help out there walks you through
everything assuming you at least have the compatibility scripts in
place to translate the old sysvinit commands into systemd
language... it can be really annoying in that respect.
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2519 [18:25:10] <nvz> I had a system failing to boot to the
desktop the other day just because I added an fstab entry for a USB
drive that was not mounting properly. Thats one example of how the
big async machine that is systemd can complicate a simple matter
2520 [18:26:18] <ChrisH> zerocool: I know very well about reserved
ports and Co. These services are running as the given user and X all
I now want is: allow this user X to start and stop the service.
Permissions, Ports and Co are no problem here.
2521 [18:26:25] <nvz> I haven't had time to further
experiment with that, but I think it may need a bug filed, because a
non-critical fs mounting to /media/ should not cause the unit to
fail other units that depend on it. the vital fs should be seperated
from the rest
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2523 [18:26:56] <apollo13> nvz: did you had nofail in the fstab?
2524 [18:27:17] <nvz> apollo13: I actually never thought of that.
Good point
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2526 [18:27:28] <apollo13> or nobootwait and friends
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2528 [18:27:44] <nvz> I just had dump/pass set to 0 I never
thought about other options
2529 [18:28:04] <zerocool> nvz: what apollo13 said, i think this
option predates systemd but i have been using systemd since it was
in testing so i may be wrong. this is standard though, you have to
add options to automounted volumes that might not be present at boot
or are required for boot.
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2531 [18:28:32] <apollo13>
replaced-url
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2536 [18:29:43] <nvz> zerocool: I'll try that, because I
wanted to specify the mount point for that USB drive because I was
going to be doing some semi-automated stuff remotely on it, and I
didnt want it to be moving around and changing permissions on me..
which it has been doing ever since I commented that line out. It
fails, and remounts to /media/user/My Passport1/ or such as normal
perms and screws stuff all up
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2542 [18:30:59] <bamb> how can i rename my new ethernet iface name
to eth0?
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2544 [18:31:14] <bamb> i have some new long hex name for the
device thats hard to remember
2545 [18:31:21] <zerocool> nvz: alternatively you can mount the
volumes later as user but you have to do it via script basically
just 'mount /dev/whatever /path/to/mount', when you login
it'll run the script and mount the volume... i never do this
myself so i can't remember where you'd do this but i think
it's... /etc/rc.local
2546 [18:31:38] <nkuttler> !tell bamb about udev mac
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2553 [18:32:30] <jhutchins_wk> bamb: There's a kernel option
to revert to the old interface naming convention.
2554 [18:32:30] <annadane> does !tell work like that? or do you
need dpkg: tell blah about blah
2555 [18:32:32] <apollo13> nvz: in that case you might even wanna
write your own mount unit and just ignore fstab
2556 [18:32:51] <jhutchins_wk> annadane: For your own use /msg
dpmg <factoid>.
2557 [18:32:53] <bamb> which is the better way to do it? kernel
arg or udev rules?
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2559 [18:33:05] <jhutchins_wk> annadane: !tell is intended to send
a PM to another user.
2560 [18:33:07] <annadane> for your own use yes, but i mean in the
chan
2561 [18:33:11] <annadane> okau
2562 [18:33:13] <annadane> okay*
2563 [18:33:15] <apollo13> nvz: you could then write single shot
units which react on the fact that you mounted the drive
2564 [18:33:17] <nvz> alright well there is something seriously
wrong here and IDK if its the drive, a USB port/hub or what..
because I was running chkdsk on this WD Passport (remotely) in
virtualbox/win7 and yet again it did a Buffer I/O error and
remounted while windows was running chkdsk
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2568 [18:34:17] <nvz> that error is incredibly vague, I don't
know if its saying the disk's IDE buffer is the issue, or if
its talking about the cache on the system side
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2570 [18:34:35] <nvz> perhaps I should check the smart data
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2572 [18:35:01] <zerocool> ChrisH: honestly i thought X use to run
as system and since maybe jessie they changed it to where X would
run as user....
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2574 [18:35:34] <zerocool> for security reasons
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2579 [18:37:48] <donald1> I have a kali linux partition wich does
not boot. I save datas of kali linux from another system I want to
use dpkg --get-selections "*" to save the datas of kali
from another system to save config of kali. when I run it it save
the data of my own working system. how to execute it to rescue
config files of kali?
2580 [18:37:55] <nvz> zerocool: I'm running stretch with nodm
on here, and jessie with lightdm on the remote machine and they are
both running X as root, nodm su's to the user it autologs and
lightdm does same, but the actual X server and initial DM process
both run as root on both machines
2581 [18:38:05] <ChrisH> zerocool: X is just a variable for
$SOMEUSER not X as in X-Window
2582 [18:38:52] <bamb> if
/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules is not there, should i
create it?
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2588 [18:39:24] <nvz> donald1: first and foremost, welcome to
#debian, we don't support kali linux here, its not debian. On a
side note, that command only makes a list of installed packages
nothing more
2589 [18:39:43] <jhutchins_wk> bamb: No. It should be created
automatically.
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2592 [18:40:12] <nvz> donald1: try #kali-linux
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2595 [18:40:36] <bamb> jhutchins_wk: how can i create it?
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2598 [18:40:48] <bamb> manunally or do i have to run some scripts?
2599 [18:41:20] <jhutchins_wk> bamb:
replaced-url
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2601 [18:41:44] <jhutchins_wk> bamb: It would be created
automatically at boot by the old system, the new scheme replaces
that function.
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2603 [18:42:28] <bamb> the new system is udev. whats the old
system called?
2604 [18:42:55] <jhutchins_wk> bamb: The new system is part of
systemd, the old is udev. I think the one before that was hald.
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2607 [18:43:16] <bamb> ok
2608 [18:43:17] <nvz> and devfs before that *shudders*
2609 [18:43:34] <jhutchins_wk> bamb: Please read that page, it
explains the system and offers three options to fix it.
2610 [18:43:46] <bamb> jhutchins_wk: that freedesktop link doesnt
say how to create the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules file
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2613 [18:44:31] <nvz> bamb: because you don't have to create
that file, you can do it via a kernel command line option among
other things, the rules.d file is auto-generated as he said numerous
times
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2616 [18:45:04] <nvz> bamb: if you really want to see that file
from jessie I can show you what it contains, but its not going to
solve your problem. Just read that link and try one of the options
it says
2617 [18:45:04] <bamb> ohh i thought im supposed to either modify
that file XOR use kernel args
2618 [18:45:13] <bamb> ok
2619 [18:45:49] <zerocool> ChrisH: I'm going to stay from my
limited experience... the easiest and safest way to allow a non-sudo
user to restart a system service is to have root check a file via
cronjob, using a script. stick an alias in the users bashrc or what
have you... so that 'service postfix restart' will echo
'1' to a file that the script will check, if 1 in file
then root will 'systemctl restart postfix'
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2623 [18:47:06] <jhutchins_wk> bamb: That file is no longer
relevant. That's an old page.
2624 [18:47:22] <jhutchins_wk> bamb: One of the hazards of
documenting an evolving system on the internet.
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2626 [18:47:51] <zerocool> i wouldn't do this for a number of
reasons but it seems safer than giving someone sudo that you
don't trust but still allows them the ability to restart a
specific privilaged service
2627 [18:48:50] <jhutchins_wk> We need to update that factoid.
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2631 [18:50:29] <zerocool> also remember to include if root finds
1 in file set to 0 or else it'll restart forever ;P
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2634 [18:51:41] <nvz> dpkg udev mac ~=
s#<udev>.#<udev>. This is outdated, for Stretch see
replaced-url
2635 [18:51:41] <dpkg> nvz: okay
2636 [18:51:58] <nvz> !udev mac
2637 [18:51:58] <dpkg> udev has the ability to statically rename
Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in
/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, edit this file to change
the mappings. To apply changes: «udevadm trigger» or
reload the relevant driver module. See also <udev>.
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2639 [18:52:29] <nvz> dpkg udev mac =~
s#<udev>.#<udev>. This is outdated, for Stretch see
replaced-url
2640 [18:52:29] <dpkg> nvz: that doesn't contain
'<udev>.'
2641 [18:52:31] <jelly> msg the bot
2642 [18:52:59] <nvz> jelly: dually noted. but I figured I was
gonna screw up and it'd be better if someone saw it and told me
wth I was doing wrong :P
2643 [18:53:14] <jelly> =~ vs ~=
2644 [18:53:43] <nvz> jelly: so I was right the first time then?
2645 [18:54:01] <ChrisH> zerocool: I am not looking to workaround
ideas. The users beeing able to login as user $USER are also allowed
to login as root. It is the simple question, it it possible with
systemd as it was with systemV init? From my resarch it looks like:
no way without sudo.
2646 [18:54:15] <jelly> yes :-)
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2656 [18:57:42] <nvz> dondelelcaro: I'll be gone probably
when you get this, but we were trying to update <udev mac> and
dpkg isnt showing the changes.
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2713 [19:28:46] <Mr-IRC-Worldwide> HI!
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2721 [19:33:15] <Mr-IRC-Worldwide> hi
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2725 [19:33:57] <Tenkawa> hi all
2726 [19:34:21] <Mr-IRC-Worldwide> hi tenkawa!
2727 [19:34:25] <Mr-IRC-Worldwide> are you a native indian?
2728 [19:34:27] <Mr-IRC-Worldwide> i like your nick
2729 [19:34:40] <Tenkawa> Its an old anime character
2730 [19:34:54] <Tenkawa> Akito Tenkawa
2731 [19:34:57] <Mr-IRC-Worldwide> you into that kind of stuff
then?
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2733 [19:35:15] <Tenkawa> I use to watch a lot of anime
2734 [19:35:24] <Mr-IRC-Worldwide> i watch family guy
2735 [19:35:34] <Tenkawa> always wanted to do music for them
2736 [19:35:45] <Tenkawa> but never got into it
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2738 [19:35:57] <Mr-IRC-Worldwide> u good at making music then?
2739 [19:36:01] <jelly> !offtopic
2740 [19:36:02] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for
Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and
take longer discussions and non-support questions to
#debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of
people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few
minutes every day.
2741 [19:36:13] <Tenkawa> heh knew that was coming
2742 [19:36:21] <Mr-IRC-Worldwide> sorry dkpg, will move to
off-topic
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2749 [19:37:43] <Tenkawa> now on to a real question.. anyone done
much debugging on the sdio mmc code in recent kernels? trying to
figure out why a cherrytrail device can see the controller but not
the cards
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2753 [19:38:28] <jelly> those low-power platforms are still
missing a lot of support
2754 [19:39:11] <Tenkawa> yeah I know ..
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2762 [19:45:30] <bamb> is statelessness of the system Image a goal
of Linux? ie if i put the linux hard disk into another computer, it
should still boot?
2763 [19:46:03] <nix64bit> jelly: i think its time for the naughty
list
2764 [19:46:42] <nix64bit> whats the smallest device that has ever
supported linux?
2765 [19:46:54] <allan_wind> bamb: it will probably boot if same
architecture unless it's efi then you usually need to configure
that
2766 [19:47:07] <teraflops> bamb: depends on the setup/hw, usually
yes it should
2767 [19:47:31] <teraflops> bamb: same for windows i think
2768 [19:48:03] <hazzy> bamb: I move my SSD around to different
machines all the time, always boots fine
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2771 [19:48:56] <jelly> bamb: even when it doesn't, it
usually isn't too hard to fix it
2772 [19:49:02] <hazzy> I don't even shut down, just
hibernate :P
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2774 [19:49:41] <jelly> hazzy: now that's unsupported really
2775 [19:49:41] <allan_wind> I am seeing packet loss with a
freshly installed debian 9.1 install. There is no packet loss in
rescue mode. How do I troubleshoot this?
2776 [19:49:52] <jhutchins_wk> hazzy: It's still possible to
hit hardware that doesn't get all of the packages it needs
without manual intervention.
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2778 [19:50:50] <jelly> allan_wind: how are you testing for
packetloss?
2779 [19:51:36] <allan_wind> jelly: mtr from a remote host on same
wireless router / switch, and using wired ethernet 1gbit
2780 [19:52:07] <jhutchins_wk> allan_wind: Do you see losses for
ping?
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2782 [19:53:03] <bamb> which way of changing my net interface name
back to eth0 is better? "ln -s /dev/null
/etc/systemd/network/99-default.link" or passing net.ifnames=0
to the kernel through grub?
2783 [19:53:07] <allan_wind> jhutchins: yes, tcpdump from mtr
session shows sender (vent) sends packets but does not get response,
and troubled laptop (toofan) does not get said echo request packages
2784 [19:53:13] <teraflops> allan_wind: same kernel? same driver?
do you have sw running while not in rescue mode that is using all
your bandwidth? (as in p2p).
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2787 [19:54:36] <teraflops> it could even be malware that is
opening a bunch of connections :P
2788 [19:54:38] <allan_wind> teraflops: hmm... not sure exactly
what diff is between normal and rescue boot is other than it
doesn't start a bunc of servers. vanilla install, nothing
running on it other than xfce, ssh, print server, and apache
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2790 [19:55:02] <teraflops> so you start a bunch of servers
whatever that means
2791 [19:55:03] <allan_wind> teraflops: tcpdump suggest it's
pretty much idle
2792 [19:55:16] <allan_wind> teraflops: just select that stuff
during install
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2794 [19:55:37] <allan_wind> (task select, I believe)
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2796 [19:56:06] <teraflops> run netstat and iftop/nethogs
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2799 [19:56:23] <jelly> allan_wind: uh, you said wireless. Some
package loss is normal.
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2801 [19:56:42] <jelly> the difference between rescue mode and
normal boot, however, is weird
2802 [19:56:43] <teraflops> nethogs > iftop ;)
2803 [19:56:43] <allan_wind> netstat shows 0 for errors,
collisions. I am using wired, wireless not configured yet
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2805 [19:57:52] <jelly> if tcpdump on your destination does not
even get to see incoming packets, it's a driver or hw issue
2806 [19:57:54] <teraflops> allan_wind: see bandwitdh usage and
opened connections, that's a start
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2809 [19:58:24] <jelly> allan_wind: is there any difference
between machine on AC power and machine on battery power?
2810 [19:58:28] <allan_wind> teraflops: I ran a bandwidth test,
iperf, and it looks fine. If hardware issue why would rescue mode
work?
2811 [19:58:37] <allan_wind> jelly: let me try...
2812 [19:59:02] <jelly> power saving features may cause
performance degradation
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2814 [19:59:12] <teraflops> allan_wind: when you say rescue mode
you mean chroot?
2815 [19:59:16] <teraflops> same kernel?
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2818 [19:59:47] <teraflops> compare installed kernel with running
one
2819 [19:59:48] <allan_wind> teraflops: it's a grub option, I
think it runs a different run level
2820 [20:00:00] <jelly> teraflops: grub menu -> advanced
options -> recovery ("single user mode", used to be
called)
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2823 [20:00:28] <teraflops> oh I was thinking on the debian
installer
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2825 [20:00:36] <teraflops> it has a rescue mode too
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2827 [20:01:33] <allan_wind> nethogs show 0, btw
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2832 [20:02:15] <allan_wind> one other weird thing is that it
asymmetric; mtr from vent to toofan shows packet loss, but not from
toofan to vent. toofan is laptop with issues
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2835 [20:03:18] <teraflops> checked nic with e.g ethtool?
2836 [20:03:30] <teraflops> it can be the cable too
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2841 [20:04:00] <allan_wind> teraflops: well, kinda, both shows
1000 duplex auto negotiated. Tried swapping cables, and switch
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2843 [20:04:38] <allan_wind> jelly: packet loss on ac and battery
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2845 [20:05:04] <jelly> allan_wind: and in rescue mode, no loss
with either?
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2849 [20:05:54] <teraflops> allan_wind: maybe it's just
coincidence? because what you describe is a bit odd
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2852 [20:06:49] <allan_wind> teraflops: it's very odd, and I
am totally stumped. The two laptops are quite similar
2853 [20:06:54] <allan_wind> (btw)
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2856 [20:07:18] <allan_wind> I was thinking hardware till I saw no
packet loss in rescue mode
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2858 [20:07:30] <jelly> once is happenstance, twice is
coincidence, three times is enemy action
2859 [20:07:34] <allan_wind> dmesg, syslog look clean
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2861 [20:07:58] <allan_wind> this is 100% reproducable within 50
or 100 packets or so
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2864 [20:09:11] <jelly> allan_wind: boot to rescue mode, test
things out, then don't reboot but do... um, "systemctl
start graphical.target" I think
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2866 [20:09:25] <jelly> whatever the equivalent of "init
3" is
2867 [20:09:33] <jelly> sorry, init 2 on debian
2868 [20:10:30] <allan_wind> sorry, it's called recovery mode
(not rescue mode; that might be the installer)
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2872 [20:10:49] <jelly> that thing.
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2890 [20:17:26] <vook> how can I prevent modules in kernel/zfs
from being loaded and instead force modules in extra/zfs to be
loaded?
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2895 [20:18:35] <vook> in a way that persists across kernel
upgrades, etc.
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2899 [20:19:22] <allan_wind> hmm.... recovery mode does not start
the network like it did earlier (with a 9.1 install that I had made
some config changes, installed packages, nvidia drver etc). I think
you mean graphical.target, jelly, no?
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2901 [20:20:06] <jelly> probably
2902 [20:20:28] <jelly> isn't that what I wrote
2903 [20:21:11] <allan_wind> systemctrl isolate graphical?
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2905 [20:22:16] <jelly> dunno, try "replace" first
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2907 [20:22:53] <allan_wind> jelly: ah... start works but you need
to specify the full graphical.target name
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2911 [20:24:03] <jelly> still broken after that?
2912 [20:24:16] <allan_wind> jelly: running mtr... fine so far
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2915 [20:24:46] <allan_wind> and we got packet loss
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2918 [20:27:01] <jelly> great. So now you "just" have to
look at the differences in set of services started for
recovery.target and graphical.target, and do a binary search to find
which service is to be blamed :-)
2919 [20:27:07] * jelly hides
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2923 [20:27:21] <allan_wind> heh
2924 [20:27:39] <teraflops> allan_wind: does netstat -s say
something interesting?
2925 [20:27:47] <allan_wind> teraflops: not to me
2926 [20:27:48] <jelly> I'd bet on something power-save
related
2927 [20:27:59] <teraflops> jelly: hmm
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2931 [20:29:25] <jelly> allan_wind: on easy thing to try is go
recovery, then multi-user.target instead of graphical
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2935 [20:30:37] <teraflops> indeed that's the only difference
2936 [20:30:56] <jelly> the only difference between what
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2939 [20:31:08] <teraflops> recue mode and normal system
2940 [20:31:12] <jelly> nope
2941 [20:31:54] <allan_wind> testing multi-user...
2942 [20:32:09] <teraflops> there are more? or there arent any?
2943 [20:32:19] <allan_wind> takes a few min to run
2944 [20:32:27] <jelly> it's a different set of services.
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2946 [20:32:56] <teraflops> powersaving is about kernel driver if
you meant the nic
2947 [20:33:02] <jelly> multi-user.target resembles "init
3" on redhat, running system without GUI
2948 [20:33:06] <teraflops> not sure how the target is related
2949 [20:33:08] <allan_wind> packet loss
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2951 [20:33:28] <jelly> so it's something that gets started
even without GUI
2952 [20:33:28] <allan_wind> I am trying to convince systemctl to
give me a dependency graph
2953 [20:33:31] <teraflops> unless he is running powertop or
whatever
2954 [20:33:50] <allan_wind> powertop is installed by default
2955 [20:33:55] <teraflops> :S
2956 [20:34:16] <jelly> but you didn't tell it to enable
stuff
2957 [20:34:39] <allan_wind> right, complete vanilla debian 9.1
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2962 [20:35:35] <jelly> so let's assume it's not
powertop because it never actually runs
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2964 [20:35:59] <allan_wind> sysinit -> multi-user ->
graphical
2965 [20:36:25] <allan_wind> sysinit -> basic -> multi-user
-> graphical, I mean
2966 [20:36:36] <jelly> is there a basic?
2967 [20:36:40] <allan_wind> yeah
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2969 [20:37:12] <allan_wind> there are other targets too, not sure
how they come into pic yet
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2972 [20:38:26] <jelly> I'd ask in #systemd about the easiest
way to do something like a binary search to find out which service
from multi-user.target results in degradedation you're seeing
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2976 [20:39:00] <jelly> because masking services one by one,
rebooting and testing would be painful
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2980 [20:40:31] <allan_wind> playing with list-dependencies arg
now... isn't it weird that behavior of recovery mode changed?
In previous install it started the network, and I had mtr running
all night without packet loss, after reinstall it doesn't start
the network
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2982 [20:41:10] <jelly> same debian release?
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2985 [20:41:39] <allan_wind> yeah, only diff is that I customized
the older install (added a user, packages, nvidia drver etc)
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2987 [20:41:56] <allan_wind> I mean, it's not strange like
the packet loss stuff just unexpected to me
2988 [20:42:10] <psychoticwarrior> whats up
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2990 [20:43:10] <jelly> I don't have any ready excuse for
that. jessie with sysvinit used to set up networking for single
user, no idea what stretch is supposed to do
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2992 [20:43:58] <allan_wind> systemctl -r list-dependencies is the
ticket for listing the dependency graph. pretty and all
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3016 [20:56:06] <allan_wind> what is the systemd equivalent of
figuring out your current run-level?
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3019 [20:57:36] <allan_wind> I think recovery mode is
sysinit.target but I would like to verify
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3024 [20:58:48] <greycat> I think the nearest equivalent is
systemctl list-units --type=target
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3036 [21:02:44] <jmcnaught> 'systemctl list-units
--type=target --all' to all of them. rescue.target is probably
what allan_wind wants. 'systemctl list-dependencies
rescue.target' lists networking.service
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3042 [21:05:59] <allan_wind> well, trying to figure out current
state
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3059 [21:17:22] <Agiofws> is there such a thing as debian minimal?
i'm thinking of setting up a samba server
3060 [21:17:45] <greycat> Do a netinst and un-select everything
that isn't "Standard" or possibly "SSH
Server"
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3066 [21:20:59] <jelly> or just deselect everything and build on
that
3067 [21:21:13] <jelly> doesn't get a lot more minimal than
that
3068 [21:21:36] <jmcnaught> allan_wind: 'systemctl
get-default' to see what it will boot into. there's also a
set-default command.
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3070 [21:22:10] <jmcnaught> allan_wind: otherwise targets are like
other systemd units, you can check their status, dependencies etc
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3072 [21:24:06] <bamb> how can i make eth0 drop its dynamic IP?
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3076 [21:25:22] <Agiofws> greycat, i already have debian 9 with
gnome on that host maybe i could convert that into a minimal server
by removing packages? or maybe i should install minimal debian
through the net install cd
3077 [21:25:49] <greycat> Either way should work. It's a
toss-up which one is more effort.
3078 [21:26:05] <jmcnaught> bamb: is eth0 configured in
/etc/network/interfaces? Did you try 'ifdown eth0'?
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3080 [21:26:44] <bamb> jmcnaught: is that different than ifconfig
eth0 down?
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3084 [21:27:33] <bamb> jmcnaught: ifdown looked like it released
the ip, but then ifup eth1 looks like it renewed the lease
3085 [21:27:51] <jmcnaught> bamb: yes. now's probably a good
time to stop using ifconfig (use ip command from iproute2 instead)
3086 [21:28:09] <bamb> i have "iface eth0 inet manual"
in my interfaces file
3087 [21:28:10] <jmcnaught> bamb: of course ifup would renew the
lease, why wouldn't it?
3088 [21:28:27] <bamb> jmcnaught: it shouldnbt renew the lease
because of my interfacves file
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3091 [21:29:34] <jmcnaught> bamb: can you make a pastebin of your
interfaces file, and also the commands and output you have been
using?
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3109 [21:37:24] <bamb> jmcnaught: here is the info you requested:
replaced-url
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3111 [21:37:57] <bamb> "ifdown eth0" correctly releases
the IP on eth0
3112 [21:38:04] <bamb> but upon reboot, the IP is back
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3115 [21:38:33] <bamb> jmcnaught: i have a network bridge setup,
so eth0 should not have an IP. on xenbr0
3116 [21:38:41] <bamb> only xenbr0*
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3129 [21:43:03] <bamb> jmcnaught: any idea what im doing wrong?
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3131 [21:45:03] <TealFlamingo> Trying to install Debian 9 I get
the "No Kernel Modules Found" error. I tried with the
"debian-9.1.0-i386-netinst.iso" and the
"debian-live-9.1.0-i386-mate.iso" (both times I wrote the
images using the recommended cp method). I googled around but I
couldn't find anything helpful, any ideas?
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3145 [21:48:28] <jmcnaught> bamb: any files in
/etc/network/interfaces.d/ ?
3146 [21:48:30] <SerajewelKS> TealFlamingo: at which point do you
receive that error?
3147 [21:48:50] <bamb> ya
3148 [21:48:52] <bamb> setup
3149 [21:49:05] <bamb> ohh shot
3150 [21:49:06] <bamb> shoot
3151 [21:49:09] <bamb> thats the issue
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3153 [21:49:16] <bamb> iface eth0 inet dhcp
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3158 [21:49:52] <bamb> can i just delete that setup file?
3159 [21:50:24] <TealFlamingo> SerajewelKS, at the start of
installation process after selecting language and keymaps.
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3162 [21:50:39] <jelly> bamb: you're the second person with
an /etc/network/interfaces.d/setup file that I've heard of
3163 [21:50:52] <jelly> bamb: and yes, it's okay to delete it
3164 [21:51:11] <jhutchins_wk> This is on stable?
3165 [21:51:17] <jmcnaught> bamb: any time you're unsure
about deleting a file, mv it somewhere else instead
3166 [21:51:19] <bamb> 9.1
3167 [21:51:20] <bamb> ya
3168 [21:51:20] * jelly wonders wtf that comes from
3169 [21:51:32] <greycat> ,file interfaces.d/setup
3170 [21:51:36] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found
with that file.
3171 [21:51:48] * Unline hi
3172 [21:51:53] <allan_wind> systemctl start networking did not
not fire up my network in recovery mode, so just to ensure my sanity
in recovery mode, I added my network to /etc/network/interfaces and
ifup -all. Not seeing packet loss. So next step is to start each
service one by one?
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3174 [21:51:58] <bamb> also, in my interfaces file, should i add
"auto eth0" line?
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3176 [21:52:29] <jelly>
replaced-url
3177 [21:52:30] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
3178 [21:52:49] <bamb> since its a bridge, i dont want it to have
an IP, but i want it to be "bridgeable"
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3180 [21:52:55] <jmcnaught> bamb: no you don't want auto eth0
3181 [21:52:59] <bamb> k
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3186 [21:53:46] <greycat> dpkg, auto is <reply>Interfaces
marked "auto" are waited for by things that wait for the
network to be up (like systemd's network-online.target).
"allow-hotplug" means the interface is removable or not
always needed, so network-online won't wait for it.
3187 [21:53:46] <dpkg> greycat: okay
3188 [21:54:04] <greycat> dpkg, allow-hotplug is <reply>see
auto
3189 [21:54:05] <dpkg> greycat: okay
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3192 [21:54:47] <jmcnaught> allan_wind: was your network not
already in /e/n/interfaces? All networking.service does is bring up
those interfaces
3193 [21:54:50] <donald1> I asked how to do something in kali
linux here. somebody told me to ask in #kali-linux but here they
told it is not a kali specific question and I can ask here. I have a
kali linux partition wich does not boot. I save datas of kali linux
from another system I want to use dpkg --get-selections
"*" to save the datas of kali from another system to save
config of kali. when I run it it save the data of my own working
system. how to execute it to rescue c
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3196 [21:55:52] <jmcnaught> allan_wind: look at 'systemctl
cat networking' and check the directives that start with Exec
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3198 [21:56:09] <annadane> donald1, that somebody is wrong
3199 [21:56:14] <annadane> !based on debian
3200 [21:56:14] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare
replaced-url
3201 [21:56:54] <greycat> Also your text was so long you got cut
off before the actual question.
3202 [21:57:10] <SerajewelKS> donald1: if the problem happens with
kali linux then it is kali linux specific
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3204 [21:57:29] <greycat> Don't msg people.
3205 [21:57:48] <greycat> 15:57
<-donald1[~donald@unaffiliated/donald] when I run it it save the
data of my own working system. how to execute it to rescue config
files of kali? Fell free to get example from debian
3206 [21:57:50] <donald1> if I got the error with debian what
would you do?
3207 [21:57:59] <greycat> WHAT ERROR
3208 [21:58:30] <greycat> All you said was "partition would
not boot" but that could be ANYTHING. Is it a swap partition?
Is it a random file system like /usr or /porn?
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3213 [22:00:29] <greycat> If your actual question is "how to
I use dpkg --get-selections", then /msg dpkg reinstall
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3216 [22:01:21] <[itchyjunk]> i tried booting with the
debianlivecd on several laptops and none of them showed wifi
options.. does the livecd no come with any wireless card drivers?
3217 [22:01:32] <[itchyjunk]> tried on 4 different ones..
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3220 [22:01:57] <jelly> SerajewelKS: apparently #kali-linux policy
is to push any question that looks like an issue anywhere upstream
to some place else. It results in a ping-pong with users given
#debian's policy to push any issue in a derivative distro
downstream
3221 [22:02:21] <jelly> it's annoying and frankly rude, from
both channels
3222 [22:02:42] <jmcnaught> [itchyjunk]: Debian ISO images
don't come with non-free firmwares. Look in
replaced-url
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3224 [22:03:47] <antena-cli> Hi! I have a huge problem. I've
installed Debian stretch and it's all up to date. But when I
try to rename files in certain folders (Downloads/ and
Vídeos/) I just can't do it anymore. Out of nowhere this
started to happen in Nemo 3.2.2. I'm using Cinnamon. What can I
do, other than installing another file manager? I can't rename
the files in those folders with the rename option in the menus or
3225 [22:03:51] <[itchyjunk]> ahh excillent! ty jmcnaught
3226 [22:04:00] <antena-cli> pressing F2. Nothing happens.
It's like I didn't even tried.
3227 [22:04:12] <donald1> jelly: I just hope the lead will not
extend to #linux ;)
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3230 [22:04:24] <annadane> jelly, will keep that in mind.
wasn't trying to be intentionally rude
3231 [22:05:01] <greycat> jelly: do you honestly thing it's
wrong of us to send non-Debian users to their respective channels?
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3235 [22:05:31] <jhutchins_wk> donald1: You might also /msg dpkg
apt-clone
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3237 [22:05:38] <greycat> If we don't, then we end up
supporting ALL of the ubuntu users. And if that happens, I'm
gone. Period.
3238 [22:05:47] <jhutchins_wk> I think he's talking about
having an ofline backup parttion.
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3241 [22:06:36] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: If it's a generic
question, we can try to answer, but we can't be sure a generic
anwer applies to their derivative.
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3244 [22:06:59] <jhutchins_wk> We can say "try at your own
risk", but they'll never hear that.
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3246 [22:07:12] <annadane> donald1, this all being said you really
should be able to ask that in kali no matter what they tell you
3247 [22:07:32] <annadane> anyway
3248 [22:07:42] <greycat> They probably reflex-kicked him because
he couldn't ask a simple, straight question that anyone could
understand.
3249 [22:07:48] <kimocoder> ask the Google
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3251 [22:08:07] <jelly> greycat: when the policies are
incompatible in this way, someone has to fix it
3252 [22:08:08] <AreYouLoco> ask DuckDuckGo
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3254 [22:09:16] <jelly> greycat: so if the user is using kali, and
their issue sounds it might be caused by something more generic
(like an upstream issue), we night try pointing them to ##linux as
well
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3257 [22:09:56] <donald1> many people download linux becuase they
trust the concept of conviviality. It is interesting to know ubuntu
is a african word to describ human communication
3258 [22:09:59] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: and preferably answer their
question in ##linux instead of here
3259 [22:10:38] <greycat> donald1: so what is your actual
question?
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3263 [22:12:20] <SerajewelKS> jelly: i'm not entirely sure
it's rude to push downstream, i mean we can't track every
single change that every derivative makes in order to determine
where the problem lies?
3264 [22:12:37] <jelly> SerajewelKS: playing table tennis with
actual people who have actual issues is more wrong than figuring out
whose channel policy is more right or more wrong
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3271 [22:13:38] <jelly> SerajewelKS: we assume the issue is
downstream. That's not correct 100% of the time. #kali-linux
assumes the issue is upstream. That assumption is not correct 100%
of the time.
3272 [22:13:48] <jelly> now what
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3274 [22:14:07] <annadane> that's very true. sorry, donald1
3275 [22:14:38] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: ##linux isn't going to
be very helpful on questions about dpkg or other Debian-based stuff.
3276 [22:15:14] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: then it's in our
interest to make it helpful
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3279 [22:15:36] <jelly> there is no ##dpkg-based channel on
freenode
3280 [22:15:48] <jhutchins_wk> donald1: It is a convivial
community, but there are practical reasons for not supporting
derivatives here. We can't know what they've changed, and
it often is the very thing someone is asking about.
3281 [22:15:54] <SerajewelKS> let's make one. with blackjack
and hookers.
3282 [22:16:03] <jmcnaught> maybe we need a ##debian-based channel
3283 [22:16:32] <somiaj> I would say maybe freenode needs one, if
debian wanted to have a #debian-based channel that would over on
oftc.
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3287 [22:16:59] <jelly> in the meantime ##linux is the next best
thing
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3291 [22:17:55] <jelly> unless you're willing to bootstrap a
##debian-based+bj&h
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3293 [22:18:22] <jhutchins_wk> I think we should all storm #kali
and start discussing dpkg theory and practice.
3294 [22:18:52] <n4dir> jhutchins_wk: :-)
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3297 [22:19:17] <jelly> that will get you a +b here
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3300 [22:21:05] <donald1> jhutchins_wk: right I will try to be as
responsible as possible
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3305 [22:23:53] <klys> jelly, ##linux isn't a very good
channel for technical discussion afaik.
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3307 [22:24:22] <bamb> ok, i have eth0 without an IP and xenbr0
has the static IP, which is corect
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3309 [22:24:46] <jelly> bamb: both are correct
3310 [22:24:48] <klys> bamb, xenbr0 should have eth0 in brctl show
3311 [22:24:52] <bamb> now my Xen DomU is not booting when i try
to add the bridge to its configuration file. how can i ensure that
the bridge is workign correctly?
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3313 [22:25:04] <jelly> that's what bridging looks like when
configured
3314 [22:25:24] <bamb> yes, brctl show xenbr0 has eth0 under
uinterfaces column
3315 [22:25:28] <jelly> bamb: what does "brctl show
xenbr0" say in dom0
3316 [22:25:40] <bamb> yes, brctl show xenbr0 has eth0 under
interfaces column
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3318 [22:25:42] <jelly> then you configured your bridge correctly
I guess
3319 [22:25:56] <bamb> hmm how can i ensure that its visible
elsewhere on the system?
3320 [22:26:00] <bamb> names to Xen?
3321 [22:26:02] <bamb> namely*
3322 [22:26:09] <klys> bamb, make sure openvswitch is running too
3323 [22:26:10] <jelly> bamb: can you access dom0 from outside, or
connect to internet from dom0
3324 [22:26:16] <bamb> mainly**
3325 [22:26:28] <bamb> ok i can ping the internet from the box
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3327 [22:26:43] <bamb> and i can ssh in from outside
3328 [22:26:46] <jelly> so that part is fine. now you need to set
up the xen-facing side
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3330 [22:26:55] <jelly> which I blissfully know nothing about :-)
3331 [22:26:56] <bamb> i se hte driver "bridge" loaded
too
3332 [22:27:40] <bamb> dmesg shows xen:manage: Unable to read
sysrq in control/sysrq
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3334 [22:27:45] <bamb> does that mean anything to anyone?
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3342 [22:29:22] <bamb> heres the last few lines of dmesg:
replaced-url
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3344 [22:29:38] <bamb> other than that xen line, everything looks
OK
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3355 [22:32:33] <Mathisen> is install of phpmyadmin broken in
strech or something ?
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3357 [22:33:11] <Mathisen> it does not seem to set up as it
should, cant even log in as root@localhost when installed
3358 [22:33:17] <mvaenskae> cheers, can someone tell me if the
guide given here is enough to build my own glibc on debian with lock
elision disabled? this is for a development VM and i know i may
shoot myself in the foot -- i do have a backup of the VM in question
as well
3359 [22:33:25] <mvaenskae>
replaced-url
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3367 [22:36:31] <jmcnaught> Mathisen: the way root logins work for
mariadb in stretch has changed, I think the note about it is either
in the README.Debian or NEWS file for the mariadb-server-10.1
package
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3369 [22:36:58] <greycat> or at the bottom of
replaced-url
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3371 [22:38:05] <Mathisen> ahh ok il do some reading, and yes it
was upgraded
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3382 [22:42:04] <jelly> mvaenskae: are you actually triggering the
issue on debian 9?
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3384 [22:42:59] <mvaenskae> debian 9, correct
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3387 [22:44:35] <mvaenskae> i have little idea as to what is
happening as well because the software in question (that is vivado)
crashes on some project, not on another
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3391 [22:46:48] <jelly> mvaenskae: changelog for libc6 says glibc
(2.24-9) [...] debian/sysdeps/{amd64,i386,x32}.mk: disable lock
elision (aka Intel TSX) on x86 architectures. [...] Mon, 16 Jan 2017
18:43:37 +0100
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3393 [22:47:37] <jelly> mvaenskae: so the feature you think is
causing this is supposed to be already disabled
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3396 [22:48:07] <mvaenskae> hm, then this is quite... *sigh* this
is not something i want to debug :(
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3398 [22:48:35] <Comnenus> is it possible to specify a specific
version of java if using webupd8 to install?
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3400 [22:48:50] <jelly> Comnenus: best ask the webupd8 people
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3402 [22:49:22] <jelly> hard to know what gets put in third party
repos
3403 [22:49:52] <Comnenus> jelly: do they have an IRC channel by
any chance? I'm not finding much.
3404 [22:49:53] <jelly> Comnenus: see if "apt-cache policy
packagename" shows more than one version of the desired pacakge
3405 [22:50:34] <jelly> no idea, if a vendor requires oracle java
I download the tarball and use
3406 [22:50:37] <jelly> !make-jpkg
3407 [22:50:37] <dpkg> java-package (formerly mpkg-j2se,
j2se-package) provides the make-jpkg utility for creating Debian
packages from manually downloaded <Java> distributions; Oracle
Java 6 (update >= 10) and Oracle Java 7 are currently supported.
java-package is available for Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later
systems in <contrib>.
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3410 [22:53:26] <SerajewelKS> is hostapd still required to run a
wireless AP on stretch, or is there some way to configure it only
using /etc/network/interfaces?
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3413 [22:53:57] <SerajewelKS> (just a WPA2 TKIP/AES AP, nothing
fancy)
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3418 [22:55:53] <Comnenus> jelly: ahhh this is probably a better
idea anyway. I'll do that.
3419 [22:56:01] <Comnenus> jelly: for really stupid reasons
I'm stuck using 8 update 121.
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3423 [22:57:21] <Comnenus> is wiki.debian.org down for anybody
else?
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3426 [22:57:38] <greycat> yup
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3428 [22:58:16] <gabrielc> Comnenus: internal server error from
here
3429 [22:58:31] <Comnenus> gabrielc: :( me too. ok.
3430 [22:58:48] <gabrielc> Comnenus: now works
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3433 [22:59:19] <Comnenus> ah ha, that was weird
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3439 [23:01:49] <lone-wolf> Someone in here know why my antenna
from 20dbi dont work in wireless Tl-wn7200nd 1000mw?
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3441 [23:02:30] <lunk> Hello everyone, I got a notebook computer
with a 486 CPU from 1990. Is there someone old enough to help me get
it starting? ^^
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3445 [23:03:22] <n4dir> lunk: it will probably have to little RAM.
3446 [23:03:33] <lunk> 1MB
3447 [23:03:55] <n4dir> so? case closed?
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3451 [23:04:48] <lunk> ah, right. the linux community at it's
best
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3454 [23:05:11] <SerajewelKS> O_o
3455 [23:05:27] <SerajewelKS> is he genuinely upset that the linux
kernel requires more than 1MB of RAM
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3458 [23:06:12] <annadane> well i was going to suggest damn small
linux (though even that likely needs more than 1 mb) but they left
3459 [23:06:26] <n4dir> best of all: he thinks the linux community
is the culprit .
3460 [23:06:28] <annadane> very likely a troll question anyway
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3463 [23:06:59] <Comnenus> .... DSL? Puppy Linux?
3464 [23:07:20] <n4dir> i had a laptop or such from the mid
90's. 64 MB of RAM. You could install debian on it, you sure
couldn't really use a window-manager. And even the command line
was not much fun.
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3478 [23:13:23] <DrDamnit> Trying to confirm there is no nagios3
or nagios4 package in stretch. Do we have to compile from source or
has the nagios monitoring server been renamed? (or do I just need
the plugin scripts since I just need to monitor a remote box, and my
Debian 8 monitoring server is setup just fine...)
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3481 [23:17:56] <jmcnaught> DrDamnit: you can look packages up on
replaced-url
3482 [23:17:57] <judd> Bug
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3484 [23:18:44] <jmcnaught> DrDamnit: you might want to look into
icinga or icinga2 as an alternative
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3496 [23:22:22] <DrDamnit> jmcnaught, thank you. I'll check
out icinga. Does this also mean that nagios4 is also not supported?
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3500 [23:23:38] <rrva> how to run debian 9 on xhyve ?
3501 [23:24:09] <jmcnaught> DrDamnit: if by unsupported you mean
not packaged in Debian, then yes. icinga uses the same monitoring
plugins as nagios, I think some others do as well
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3503 [23:25:07] <DrDamnit> jmcnaught, As long as it is a somewhat
drop-in replacement, that is fine, and gives me time to migrate to
icinga over time. Thanks!
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3513 [23:28:18] <digdilem> Using apache2, I have a basic htaccess
user/pass set up. I got crawled by a bot searching the usual urls
(phpmyadmin, muieblackcat etc) but in amongst the 401 errors
you'd expect, I got a 404. Can apache ever show a 404 response
without successful authentication?
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3527 [23:34:49] <bamb> guys, does this routing table look
reasonable?
3528 [23:34:49] <bamb> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric
Ref Use Iface
3529 [23:34:49] <bamb> default gateway 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 xenbr0
3530 [23:34:49] <bamb> link-local 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 1000 0 0
xenbr0
3531 [23:34:49] <bamb> 192.168.100.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0
xenbr0
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3535 [23:35:14] <bamb> hi
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3537 [23:35:25] <annadane> bamb: use paste.debian.net in future
3538 [23:35:32] <bamb> sry
3539 [23:35:38] <annadane> you got cutoff after
"192.168.100.0"
3540 [23:35:56] <bamb>
replaced-url
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3542 [23:36:04] <bamb> does this look reasonable?
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3544 [23:36:50] <Comnenus> jelly: for some reason make-jpkg kept
choking on LibGL, something with vbox additions, I think. But it
seems to be building on a fresh install without the additions.
Weird.
3545 [23:37:07] <bamb> i still think theres an issue with my
network bridge, so wanna eliminate this variable
3546 [23:37:19] <bamb> of my routing table being wrong
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3548 [23:40:01] <Comnenus> virtualbox is not playing nice with
debian 9.1 at all...
3549 [23:40:33] <annadane> yes, well, it's not packaged for
stable
3550 [23:40:50] <Comnenus> annadane: windows host. debian guest.
3551 [23:41:15] <annadane> ah, righto
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3555 [23:43:43] <jelly> Comnenus: I usually use it in a clear(ish)
chroot. Mostly because it only works when repackaging 32bit JDK on
32bit debian, and 64bit JDK on 64bit debian.
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3557 [23:44:21] <jelly> having alternative/unpackaged libGL inside
the enviroment might make dh_shlibdeps hiccup
3558 [23:44:52] <Comnenus> jelly: I think that's exactly what
it did.
3559 [23:45:16] <Comnenus> jelly: now I'm trying to figure
out why virtualbox is deciding to give me a blank screen on the
first VM. Stupid thing won't wake up.
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