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• 17[00:10:02] <debron> hi guys
• 18[00:10:32] <debron> I found software mustang-plug which would be really nice to me, but its not for my debian version. What would be the downside of installing it anyway?
• 19[00:10:41] <debron> it uses Qt library
• 20[00:10:45] <debron> maybe dependences?
• 21[00:11:14] <debron> its for sid, jessie, bullseye
• 22[00:11:18] <debron> but not in buster
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• 26[00:14:10] <annadane> ,v mustang-plug
• 27[00:14:24] <annadane> RIP judd
• 28[00:16:29] <annadane> you can try a self backport, i believe the libc6 it depends on isn't newer than the one in buster so perhaps it's ok
• 29[00:16:31] <annadane> !ssb
• 30[00:16:31] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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• 32[00:17:59] <warsoul> what happen with judd
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• 54[00:38:29] <Zathras> debron, wifi works now?
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• 61[00:50:04] <debron> Zathras: yeah
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• 63[00:52:57] <debron> annadane: this is for installing the sid package with all its dependences? instead of downloading and dpkg -i manually each?
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• 65[00:53:36] <annadane> debron, it's compiling the package for stable, if it's possible to do so
• 66[00:53:59] <annadane> you don't want mixed stable and sid dependencies which is why i'm not recommending "just install it from sid"
• 67[00:54:32] <annadane> from skimming the packages.debian.org page it seems possible to backport but i don't know for sure and i don't know how else to check other than judd
• 68[00:55:18] <debron> judd?
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• 70[00:55:34] <debron> what is that?
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• 72[00:55:42] <annadane> judd is a bot that we can use (among other things) to see if a software can be backported
• 73[00:55:53] <annadane> but which is offline now for whatever reason
• 74[00:56:01] <debron> Ah I see
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• 76[00:56:10] <debron> interesting, I will look into that then
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• 78[00:56:16] <debron> self backport it from sid
• 79[00:56:28] <annadane> follow the ssb instructions i posted
• 80[00:56:32] <debron> instead of just install the deb from sid
• 81[00:56:33] <annadane> or rather, that i requested dpkg post
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• 83[00:57:10] <debron> need to install some script to select text here
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• 85[00:57:13] <debron> sec
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• 87[00:58:15] <annadane> i wonder if i can find judd's database online so i can check anyway
• 88[00:58:18] <annadane> !judd
• 89[00:58:18] <dpkg> judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI ID and kernel config information. See replaced-url
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• 96[01:05:00] <annadane> i should look into mirroring judd in the event it does go offline
• 97[01:05:07] <annadane> i'm not sure if the source is out there somewhere
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• 105[01:07:45] <sney> judd is online on oftc, so you can query it there and paste the responses here.
• 106[01:08:17] <annadane> why did i not check that
• 107[01:08:29] <sney> (and since the bot itself is online, it's probably just a connectivity/bouncer issue and themill hasn't noticed it yet/isn't able to fix it right now)
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• 110[01:09:01] <annadane> judd> Backporting package mustang-plug in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12).
• 111[01:09:20] <sney> debhelper-compat is not a real package so you're good to go!
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• 114[01:10:08] <annadane> still, i should look into setting up a judd mirror if it does go down
• 115[01:10:36] <annadane> it's a supybot with a bunch of plugins and if the plugins are freely available...
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• 117[01:10:59] <sney> it would be pretty weird for a debian resource to have closed/hidden source
• 118[01:11:03] <annadane> and it interfaces with the UDD
• 119[01:11:23] <annadane> i'm tired right now so i'm not bothering to check whether the source is there :P
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• 121[01:11:30] <annadane> oh hey
• 122[01:11:35] <annadane> it's back
• 123[01:11:49] <dvs> ,wb
• 124[01:11:50] <themill> (asking in #d-ops works :)
• 125[01:11:56] <annadane> !tea themill
• 126[01:11:56] * dpkg hands themill a nice FLAMING!!!! mug of tea with lemon.
• 127[01:12:12] <themill> :D
• 128[01:12:26] <annadane> ...but now debron is gone
• 129[01:12:52] <hassoon> wow
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• 131[01:14:01] <annadane> i can memoserv though!
• 132[01:14:08] <annadane> which freenode has but oftc doesn't
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• 136[01:15:13] <debron> !ssb
• 137[01:15:13] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 138[01:15:22] * annadane sigh
• 139[01:15:37] <annadane> anyway, yes, follow those, your package is able to be backported
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• 141[01:16:04] <debron> nice!!
• 142[01:16:14] <debron> sorry, i would have go to oftc and check for that
• 143[01:16:25] <debron> but was bussy trying to understand how to copy text from weechat :D
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• 145[01:16:47] <debron> to save that explanation somewhere so i can study some moment this week
• 146[01:16:58] <debron> would be great if i could use my amp with debian too :)
• 147[01:17:54] <debron> guys, what DE do you use with debian?
• 148[01:18:03] <debron> default's? (which i believe is gnome)
• 149[01:18:06] <debron> just curious
• 150[01:18:08] <annadane> xfce
• 151[01:18:26] <debron> low hardware specs? or personal preference?
• 152[01:18:37] <annadane> combination of both
• 153[01:18:43] <debron> I see
• 154[01:18:55] <debron> what would you choose if u have a OK Computer?
• 155[01:19:03] <annadane> probably still xfce
• 156[01:19:11] <RoyK> A former colleague of mine insisted on using fvwm2 - I beleive last time I used that was in 1995 :D
• 157[01:19:14] <debron> and I say OK , because i do not have any graphic card, just an i3 8100 and ram enough
• 158[01:19:18] <debron> and SSD disks
• 159[01:19:37] <debron> I remember using awesome hehe
• 160[01:19:48] <sponix> RoyK: fvm95 was Awesome !!
• 161[01:19:56] <RoyK> this was eight years ago, but I guess he hasn't moved on
• 162[01:20:01] <sponix> Huge step up from twm alone
• 163[01:20:04] <debron> but its not a DE exactly , right? cant remember exactly, but it was nice , like a grid to organize windows
• 164[01:20:50] <sponix> debron: technically Awesome is a Window Manager, that can be used stand alone, or with a DE
• 165[01:21:41] <debron> I barely remember, used it for some time in 2014
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• 167[01:22:01] <debron> now im with debian default DE , not bad for now
• 168[01:22:13] <debron> its gnome, right'
• 169[01:22:25] <sponix> I use Plank to launch, task switch, change desktops (as needed), and xfwm4 for my Window Manager
• 170[01:22:31] <debron> maybe i would change the default fonts... but idk
• 171[01:22:34] <sponix> debron: Yes, pretty sure it defaults to Gnome
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• 175[01:25:18] <debron> I kind of miss a taskbar
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• 178[01:25:58] <debron> where I can see all windows opened in a single sigh, without pressing (win)key
• 179[01:26:41] <debron> top bar seems a bit nonsense, with just a date in the midle, and few important things on the very right hand
• 180[01:27:09] <debron> maybe its configurable, i still have to investigate this
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• 184[01:28:43] <sponix> debron: Yes, you can do a lot of changes to Gnome
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• 224[02:16:10] <metbsd> how do i install kodi in bullseye
• 225[02:16:53] <sney> did you try 'apt install kodi'
• 226[02:17:15] <metbsd> yes
• 227[02:17:18] <metbsd> not there
• 228[02:17:26] <sney> ,v kodi
• 229[02:17:27] <judd> Package: kodi on amd64 -- stretch: 2:17.1+dfsg1-3; buster: 2:17.6+dfsg1-4+b1; sid: 2:18.7+dfsg1-1; stretch-multimedia: 5:17.6-dmo1+deb9u3; buster-multimedia: 5:18.7-dmo0+deb10u1; bullseye-multimedia: 5:18.7-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 5:18.7-dmo2
• 230[02:17:35] <sney> oh, bullseye.
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• 232[02:17:40] <sney> !tum
• 233[02:17:40] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution.
• 234[02:17:54] <sney> and ask further bullseye questions in #debian-next on OFTC please
• 235[02:18:09] <metbsd> what is oftc
• 236[02:18:28] <themill> (kodi is not installable in bullseye)
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• 238[02:18:46] <sney> a different irc network, irc.oftc.net, it's where the official debian channels are
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• 241[02:19:43] <sney> oh, #936805
• 242[02:19:44] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 243[02:19:48] <metbsd> uninstallable?
• 244[02:20:01] <sney> depends on python2 which is no longer in bullseye.
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• 247[02:22:18] <metbsd> not available in sid too?
• 248[02:22:30] <themill> it's available but probably not installable
• 249[02:22:41] <sney> not yet. if you read the bug thread, it says they are working on packaging kodi 19 which uses py3 instead.
• 250[02:23:47] <sney> though kodi upstream hasn't even released 19 outside of development nightly builds. ah, the fun of migrations
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• 253[02:25:09] <themill> If only someone had predicted that migrating from Python 2 to Python 3 would be needed.
• 254[02:25:28] <sney> lol indeed
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• 263[02:39:03] <RoyK> judd: Python 2.7 support ended on January 1, 2020, so it's not supported anymore and probably won't be
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• 265[02:42:25] <SlimmyJimmy> How can I reset my Debian password without a complete reinstall?
• 266[02:43:00] <annadane> passwd
• 267[02:43:06] <SlimmyJimmy> The account name is oscreader.
• 268[02:43:24] <SlimmyJimmy> I can't even log on to get to the passwd file.
• 269[02:43:29] <sney> !ifrp
• 270[02:43:30] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
• 271[02:43:30] <RoyK> SlimmyJimmy: did you set a root password?
• 272[02:43:58] <RoyK> oh
• 273[02:44:05] <SlimmyJimmy> I don't know for sure, Im trying to login through an instance of Debian on VirtualBox 6.0 and it's been at least a year since I tried.
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• 276[02:45:51] <SlimmyJimmy> dpkg Thank You. I'm not sure I can get to that menu but if I can I'll try it.
• 277[02:45:51] <dpkg> SlimmyJimmy: sure thing
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• 280[02:51:29] <annadane> it always surprises me people don't know dpkg is a bot when it's immediately proceeded by someone using ! to invoke it and it responds instantly
• 281[02:51:38] <annadane> preceded*
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• 284[02:58:59] <SlimmyJimmy> annadane,I realized it was a bot when the "Thank You" I sent was responded to almost instantly. Normally, after I ask a question I go back to a web browser tab or something else so I'm not just sitting here twiddling my thumbs. That's why I didn't realize the first response was bot generated. But yes, if I'm watching the channel as closely as you are then I would probably have realized it on the first response.
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• 307[03:24:38] <SlimmyJimmy> replaced-url
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• 337[04:07:35] <dgriffi> my system suddenly started automatically mounting USB mass storage devices, ignoring the noauto parameters in fstab. What's going on?
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• 341[04:11:24] <dgriffi> anyone here?
• 342[04:11:39] <annadane> you probably need to wait a bit longer than 4 minutes
• 343[04:11:50] <annadane> ask again in 20-30 mins if no reply or try the mailing list
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• 345[04:12:54] <SlimmyJimmy> I can't scroll the screen in a debian console inside Oracle's VirtualBox. Is there a way to fix this?
• 346[04:13:46] <SlimmyJimmy> I type 'help' and it works but I miss alot of information on the screen.
• 347[04:14:03] <SlimmyJimmy> My Debian is from 2016.
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• 350[04:18:02] <SlimmyJimmy> Can I reset an .OVA file to it's original state or do you have to download it again?
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• 352[04:22:22] <SlimmyJimmy> Why doesn't typing 'help less' or 'help more' work on Debian console?
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• 354[04:23:36] <eigenfire> Because it helps precisely as much as it means to. No more, no less.
• 355[04:24:14] <SlimmyJimmy> The commands should work.
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• 359[04:24:35] <SlimmyJimmy> What command will tell me the version I'm running?
• 360[04:25:03] <eigenfire> In general, a command followed by --version will do that.
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• 362[04:25:36] <eigenfire> SlimmyJimmy: And 'help' is a shell built-in. If the command isn't provided by the shell itself, then 'help command' won't work.
• 363[04:25:43] <SlimmyJimmy> Yes but I want the version of Debian
• 364[04:26:49] <jmcnaught> dgriffi: look at your logs to see what is mounting stuff. "journalctl -e" skips to the end.
• 365[04:27:42] <SlimmyJimmy> Oh, I think I'm at the grub command-line.
• 366[04:27:43] <eigenfire> SlimmyJimmy: It's all over the place. /etc/issue, /etc/os-release, your sources.list file, and so on.
• 367[04:28:41] <SlimmyJimmy> Wow, I'm so lost I shouldn't even been trying to get this to work.
• 368[04:29:30] <SlimmyJimmy> I'm only in grub, that's why less and more do not work.
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• 384[04:49:30] <search_social> SlimmyJimmy: set pager=1
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• 386[04:51:31] <SlimmyJimmy> search_social That worked. Thank You.
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• 388[04:54:16] <SlimmyJimmy> If you put 'passwd root' into your grub boot file is that setting the password specifically for the 'root' account? The default Debian account on the OVA file I'm using is called 'oscreader'.
• 389[04:54:26] <SlimmyJimmy> I need to set the password for that account.
• 390[04:54:59] <SlimmyJimmy> Actually, I'm trying to reset it because I have apparently forgot what it was after over a year or two of nonuse.
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• 397[05:00:23] <mnathani> How would I install a newer kernel?
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• 400[05:02:07] <dvs> mnathani, install a backports kernel?
• 401[05:02:29] <search_social> mnathani: apt search --names-only linux-image-*
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• 406[05:09:55] <Gerowen> mnathani: The easiest method is what dvs said, add the backports repo and then install the latest kernel update available from there. You might have to use -t buster-backports to get it to show up with apt, I'm not sure, it's been a while since I used backports. (i.e. apt -t buster-backports install packagename)
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• 408[05:10:32] <mnathani> what if I wanted to build my own deb package?
• 409[05:11:32] <dvs> mnathani, then download the source code from kernel.org and run the command "make bindeb-pkg"
• 410[05:12:58] <mnathani> is there any reason this would be a bad idea?
• 411[05:13:19] <mnathani> breaking compatibility in some way perhaps?
• 412[05:13:24] <dvs> if you don't select the kernel options that work with your system.
• 413[05:13:47] <dgriffi> jmcnaught: looks like udiskd is doing the unwanted mounting
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• 416[05:16:58] <dgriffi> This is what happens when I do "sudo umount /flash": replaced-url
• 417[05:17:37] <dgriffi> and even more perverse, this happens only when I plug in a Kindle Touch. This doesn't happen with thumb drives.
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• 436[05:28:41] <SlimmyJimmy> I followed all the instructions from dpkg bot earlier to reset my password on my debian install but the 'passwd root' command, even though, it said it changed it, doesn't seem to work now.
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• 439[05:32:18] <sney> since you ran 'passwd root' you will need to log in as root, not your user account. once you are logged in as root you can change the other password(s) as needed
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• 446[05:38:31] <SlimmyJimmy> sney thank you I tried that but it doesn't seem to work.
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• 449[05:39:18] <sney> then try it again, and double-check things like caps lock this time. since this is a VM you may as well set a very simple password
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• 451[05:39:47] <SlimmyJimmy> Authentication token manipulation error
• 452[05:42:13] <SlimmyJimmy> I added to the end of my kernal command-line: init=/bin/sh and I get an error message about '/bin/sh: 0: can't access tty: job control turned off"
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• 459[05:52:17] <SlimmyJimmy> It says password updated successfully but when I issue 'reboot' it says 'Failed to talk to init daemon'.
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• 463[05:53:32] <sney> SlimmyJimmy: just issue a 'sync' and reset it through the hypervisor
• 464[05:53:53] <SlimmyJimmy> sney that sounds easy, how do I do that though?
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• 467[05:54:33] <sney> type sync in a terminal and press enter. when you see the shell prompt come back, reboot through the virtualbox menu
• 468[05:54:49] <sney> force reset or whatever they call it
• 469[05:55:24] <SlimmyJimmy> I did actually do a force reset. I did sudo reboot -f and it worked but the password still doesn't get changed for some reason even though it says it's doing it.
• 470[05:56:13] <sney> that's what the sync is for, any writes that are still in memory get committed to disk
• 471[05:56:23] <SlimmyJimmy> oh okay, Ill try it then.
• 472[05:56:49] <sney> a proper reboot would do that as part of its process but if you can't properly reboot then you need to sync manually.
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• 475[05:59:32] <SlimmyJimmy> I typed 'sync' and it didn't say anything. No error message either so it's kinda vague.
• 476[05:59:56] <sney> yeah it doesn't give any output it just runs
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• 481[06:02:24] <SlimmyJimmy> It's still a no-go. I don't know why. I'm not even sure the first command is really working right. The 'init=/bin/sh' or 'init=/bin/bash'. I tried both and got different error messages on each.
• 482[06:02:41] <mnathani> How long does `make bindeb-pkg` usually take?
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• 486[06:06:36] <sney> SlimmyJimmy: bash/dash are not really init daemons so you'll always get some kind of warning using them for init, but as long as you get to a root prompt, it worked. are you sure you followed step 3 to remount the root filesystem? that step is key
• 487[06:07:21] <sney> mnathani: kernel compile times depend on cpu power and number of cores, but probably something like 10 minutes or less with a sane .config
• 488[06:07:37] <SlimmyJimmy> I just did everything again, rebooting now to check, this time I successfully changed the oscreader account password.
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• 490[06:08:09] <SlimmyJimmy> sney wheee!!!! It finally worked for the oscreader account. I'm back in.
• 491[06:08:27] <sney> hooray!
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• 493[06:09:19] <SlimmyJimmy> sney Thanks for the help. At least I can use this OVA again now without having to download a new one. Although, that would have been okay too. But I like solving problems too.
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• 495[06:09:43] <sney> tinkering with broken stuff is the best way to learn.
• 496[06:09:59] <SlimmyJimmy> sney yes, good experience
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• 511[06:37:40] <kline> has anyone else noticed chromium shitting the bed at greatly increased frequency recently? 83.0.4103.116-1~deb10u2 seems to die every few h for me
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• 517[06:39:55] <sney> I use firefox but I have noticed an uptick in people complaining about chromium in here lately
• 518[06:40:53] <kline> tbh i feel a fair chunk of it is probably just chromium hate but definitely since i applied this upgrade there is a noticeable step change in reliability
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• 544[07:30:08] <mnathani> sney: guess my .config wasnt sane. Kernel compile is still going
• 545[07:30:38] <mnathani> Its also running in a VM with 2 cores and 16GB ram
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• 570[07:59:47] <Rapeseed> so who's Debian?
• 571[08:00:03] <_NiDieu> ian murdoch
• 572[08:00:45] <_NiDieu> murdock
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• 578[08:03:48] <_NiDieu> just like aaron swartz, RIP victims of the Law&Orders
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• 675[09:53:36] <otisolsen70> When I start up and boot GRUB, but then show this error: xz-compressed data is corrupted system halted. The machine is a VM with LUKS encrypted rootfs. Is there anything I can do to recover this? I have no idea why this happened. Please note that this happens after I am prompted for LUKS passphrase.
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• 684[10:04:44] <jekkan> Hi all. I'm on debian bullseye, I need python-nautilus to install a program. I didn't find that, so i installed python3-nautilus but I still receive the error "python-nautilus not found". What can i do?
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• 713[10:25:20] <CrazyTux> hello, anyone here using Debian 10 stable?
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• 715[10:26:24] <CrazyTux> can you please try running this appimage of Joplin? from this site replaced-url
• 716[10:26:54] <CrazyTux> the latest version is Joplin-1.0.220
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• 719[10:27:09] <CrazyTux> are you able to run this on Debian 10?
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• 724[10:30:59] <Acheron> looks like the appimage is Arch based
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• 728[10:33:49] <CrazyTux> Acheron, no. It can be run on Debian based distros also.
• 729[10:35:12] <Acheron> does it say that specifically?
• 730[10:35:31] <RoyK> CrazyTux: probably something in docker
• 731[10:36:18] <CrazyTux> Acheron, I have used that on Mint.
• 732[10:36:43] <CrazyTux> RoyK, you just need to make it executable and click on it to make it run.
• 733[10:36:49] <Acheron> but it won't run on Debian 10?
• 734[10:37:44] <CrazyTux> Acheron, please download it from this link. replaced-url
• 735[10:38:15] <CrazyTux> I wanted to know whether it runs on Debian 10.
• 736[10:39:02] <Acheron> no
• 737[10:39:49] <Acheron> replaced-url
• 738[10:41:20] <CrazyTux> Acheron, so, you were not able to run it on Debian 10?
• 739[10:41:36] <diogenes_> CrazyTux, run: sudo sysctl kernel.dmesg_restrict=0
• 740[10:41:51] <diogenes_> then it will work.
• 741[10:41:59] <CrazyTux> diogenes_, what will it do?
• 742[10:42:14] <diogenes_> wait
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• 744[10:42:25] <diogenes_> wrong command
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• 746[10:42:51] <CrazyTux> please try to run an older version of this appimage from this site. replaced-url
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• 748[10:43:15] <CrazyTux> try to run this version. Joplin-1.0.175-x86_64
• 749[10:43:35] <CrazyTux> and also the other version that is available there.
• 750[10:43:48] <CrazyTux> only this version works, I think. Joplin-1.0.175-x86_64
• 751[10:44:09] <CrazyTux> please try it on Debian 10.
• 752[10:44:18] <CrazyTux> or 10.4
• 753[10:44:46] <diogenes_> CrazyTux, this is the correct command: sudo sysctl kernel.unprivileged_userns_clone=1
• 754[10:44:56] <diogenes_> then try the appimage again and it should work.
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• 759[10:47:57] <CrazyTux> diogenes_, it works when this command is executed.
• 760[10:48:43] <diogenes_> then all is well, you've got 2 options, either run this command each time you start the application or make it permanent.
• 761[10:49:36] <CrazyTux> what is causing this issue on Debian stable?
• 762[10:49:57] <CrazyTux> this doesn't happen on other distros like Mint or Ubuntu.
• 763[10:50:16] <RoyK> CrazyTux: better use docker
• 764[10:50:44] <diogenes_> CrazyTux, this is not an issue at all, this is a security measure.
• 765[10:50:51] <CrazyTux> RoyK, what will it do?
• 766[10:51:03] <diogenes_> yes Debian is more security concerned than Ubuntu or Mint.
• 767[10:51:16] <CrazyTux> diogenes_, ok.
• 768[10:51:53] <CrazyTux> diogenes_, but, why that older version of that appimage doesn't have this issue?
• 769[10:52:16] <diogenes_> CrazyTux, because not all of them request the sandbox.
• 770[10:53:06] <CrazyTux> it's the same appimage.
• 771[10:53:31] <Acheron> ask the developer
• 772[10:55:03] <RoyK> CrazyTux: just read up on docker, please
• 773[10:55:05] <RoyK> !docker
• 774[10:55:05] <dpkg> docker is available in debian, see replaced-url
• 775[10:55:30] <CrazyTux> RoyK, I will do that.
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• 780[11:03:42] <AquaL1te> since debian might switch to firewalld with debian 11, i'm thinking about checking the firewalld ansible module. but it states that it hasn't been tested for debian-based systems. did anyone try it here?
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• 793[11:22:45] <RoyK> AquaL1te: I haven't tried firewalld on debian, no, but I use it at work with centos/rhel, configuring it with ansible, and that works well. However, nftables is the new way to go now, so I'm not sure if firewalld will survive much longer unless they make a backend for nftables. But again, nftables works well on its own.
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• 796[11:24:30] <NetTerminalGene> ,v firefox-es
• 797[11:24:31] <judd> No package named 'firefox-es' was found in amd64.
• 798[11:24:35] <NetTerminalGene> ,v firefox-esr
• 799[11:24:36] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch: 68.4.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 68.7.0esr-1~deb10u1; jessie-security: 68.9.0esr-1~deb8u2; buster-proposed-updates: 68.9.0esr-1~deb10u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster-security: 68.10.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye:
• 800[11:24:37] <judd> 68.10.0esr-1; sid: 68.10.0esr-1
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• 816[11:42:27] <AquaL1te> RoyK: firewalld made the switch to nft on rhel/centos8 and for a while already on fedora
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• 822[11:57:28] <RoyK> AquaL1te: ah - ok - still - firewalld is probably not a lot simpler than useing nft directly.
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• 825[11:58:13] <RoyK> I just don't hope the support for ufw will be dropped, since it's very trivial and works well
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• 827[11:58:58] <RoyK> (for filtering, that is, not for the more fancy stuff)
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• 829[11:59:46] <RoyK> but then again - I don't think there have been any plans to migrate to nft in ufw, so I guess that's why they want to move to firewalld
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• 849[12:16:27] <debron> Hello all
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• 921[13:47:04] <Kobaz> replaced-url
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• 924[13:47:56] <nkuttler> Kobaz: because something depends on them
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• 926[13:48:42] <nkuttler> unsurprisingly, something in your os wants an init system, and systemd is the default
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• 950[14:25:56] <Kobaz> nkuttler: ugh, it's udev
• 951[14:27:46] <Kobaz> weird though, on debian/testing I don't need systemd for udev
• 952[14:27:51] <Kobaz> but on buster, it wants it
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• 957[14:33:06] <Kobaz> added a hold on libsystemd0
• 958[14:33:10] <Kobaz> okay that stopped it trying to install
• 959[14:33:28] <Kobaz> so annoying
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• 969[14:41:15] <ratrace> Kobaz: there's a whole distro dedicated to debian sans systemd, perhaps that'd be more suitable for your use case.
• 970[14:42:51] <Kobaz> i know, but our tooling is all very specific to debian at the moment. Haven't had time to do any testing with devuan
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• 981[14:57:25] <annadane> hi odp
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• 1011[15:37:49] <otisolsen70> When I start up and boot GRUB, but then show this error: xz-compressed data is corrupted system halted. The machine is a VM with LUKS encrypted rootfs. Is there anything I can do to recover this? I have no idea why this happened. Please note that this happens after I am prompted for LUKS passphrase.
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• 1015[15:41:44] <yanmaani> otisolsen70: I think this might be a problem with the kernel. Did you update it recently?
• 1016[15:41:53] <yanmaani> like the initial ramdisk is broken
• 1017[15:42:18] <otisolsen70> otisolsen70, I install updates as they come with apt update && apt full-upgrade
• 1018[15:42:26] <otisolsen70> otisolsen70, did any kernel updates come recently?
• 1019[15:42:52] <otisolsen70> yanmaani, can I boot up in recovery mode and do an apt reinstall linux-image?
• 1020[15:43:27] <yanmaani> Try it, I can't see how it would hurt. Do you have an older version of the kernel you can select in the list?
• 1021[15:43:47] <otisolsen70> yanmaani, no. I think they are autoremoved as new ones are installed
• 1022[15:44:05] <yanmaani> there's always one old version kept no?
• 1023[15:44:13] <greycat> I'm hearing a lot of "I think" and "might", and not a lot of "I am looking right now and it says ____".
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• 1025[15:44:42] <greycat> apt's autoremove mechanism keeps the two most recent kernel images, by default
• 1026[15:44:59] <greycat> of course, if you don't use the autoremove mechanism at all, then you keep *all* of 'em
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• 1028[15:46:13] <otisolsen70> So it seems this only happens sometimes. Maybe 3/4 of the times. I have tried rebooting lots of times now and it suddenly boots up.
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• 1030[15:46:25] <otisolsen70> It is booting normally now. But I get some Call Traces in dmesg.
• 1031[15:46:30] <yanmaani> try fsck?
• 1032[15:46:31] <otisolsen70> I fear something is broken in my fs.
• 1033[15:46:42] <otisolsen70> replaced-url
• 1034[15:46:53] <otisolsen70> replaced-url
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• 1036[15:48:22] <otisolsen70> I am currenly trying to copy all files off of this disk onto external file share using restic. Hope it goes well
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• 1039[15:49:57] <jukebohi> In the image debian-live-10.4.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso the live system locks the screen after 5 minutes. Somewhere on the internet it said that there is a password 'user/live', but that is a damned thing to type if you don't have US-kbrd (if it is even right)
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• 1042[15:51:19] <jukebohi> I think the automatic screen lock is not a sane default. Think of someone who isn't running it in a virtual machine or someone who doesn't have another computer around to work out how to login back to the Live-environment
• 1043[15:51:58] <otisolsen70> jukebohi, I agree, the livecd should not automatically lock screen. It is pretty annoying
• 1044[15:52:42] <otisolsen70> jukebohi, it does not ask for any authentication on boot up. Thus it should not just "randomly" require authentication just because some inpupt timeout occured.
• 1045[15:52:55] <jukebohi> agree
• 1046[15:54:47] <jukebohi> I'm considering a switch from Kubuntu to Debian with KDE for my laptop
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• 1048[15:55:22] <otisolsen70> jukebohi, yeah, good choice. I use debian with KDE
• 1049[15:55:30] <jukebohi> I'd like to say thanks for the Debian GNU/Linux OS, my servers have been running it since the late 00's
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• 1051[15:56:08] <jukebohi> otisolsen70: can you mention any downsides in Debian vs. Kubuntu?
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• 1053[15:56:36] <otisolsen70> jukebohi, nope. I find it much more stable.
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• 1055[15:56:45] <jukebohi> I like KDE, but I don't like how buggy Kubuntu is
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• 1057[15:57:16] <otisolsen70> jukebohi, about 10-12 years ago I found kubuntu easier to get all the multimedia codecs and graphics drivers right. But that is not an issue anymore.
• 1058[15:57:26] <jukebohi> and I had a nightmare machine .. nothing but buggy behaviour and I think they kinda gave up on me in #kubuntu
• 1059[15:57:33] <LaScoumoune_> Hi all, how can i do for see the patch apply for a program ?
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• 1061[15:58:42] <LaScoumoune_> For see if my package is up to date, if the package download by repo have all the patch
• 1062[15:59:04] <LaScoumoune_> I look the dox and the changelog ?
• 1063[15:59:06] <LaScoumoune_> doc*
• 1064[15:59:22] <LaScoumoune_> or can i see that with apt ?
• 1065[15:59:54] <greycat> !live password
• 1066[15:59:54] <dpkg> The debian-live images have a user account configured for you to use. username: user ; password: live
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• 1068[16:01:27] <annadane> is there even a native non-live debian kde image?
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• 1070[16:01:39] <annadane> though now, we have calamares...
• 1071[16:01:52] <greycat> ... what would that mean? What is a "native non-live" image?
• 1072[16:02:01] <annadane> sorry, non-live image with kde
• 1073[16:02:21] <greycat> The option to select KDE during the task-selection part of the install?
• 1074[16:02:26] <annadane> my point was if you wanted kde you'd probably need to select it specifically from the installer
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• 1077[16:02:46] <annadane> yeah, but just so jukebohi understands debian doesn't automatically have a kubuntu equivalent
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• 1079[16:04:26] <jukebohi> I'm running the Debian+KDE in a 4GB virtualbox now. I did 'sudo install plasma-vault' coz I have some things that need not get into the wrong hands, but I cannot access it. No icon in the panel, no program in the start-menu. Do I need to install a front-end separately or something?
• 1080[16:04:59] <jukebohi> *sorry 'sudo apt install plasma-vault'
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• 1088[16:09:18] <jal`> Which package am I missing: «Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory»
• 1089[16:12:22] <jukebohi> Found it: Adding the Plasma widget for Plasma Vault gives UI
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• 1106[16:23:37] <greycat> !file libvdpau_nvidia.so
• 1107[16:23:45] <greycat> ,file libvdpau_nvidia.so
• 1108[16:23:49] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
• 1109[16:24:00] <greycat> could be a third-party thing
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• 1111[16:27:13] <nkuttler> there are several libvdpau_nvidia.so.* files
• 1112[16:28:00] <mason> The proprietary nVidia drivers seem to ship libvdpau_nvidia.so
• 1113[16:28:26] <nkuttler> ,file libvdpau_nvidia.so.1
• 1114[16:28:30] <judd> Search for libvdpau_nvidia.so.1 in buster/amd64: nvidia-legacy-340xx-vdpau-driver: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/nvidia/legacy-340xx/libvdpau_nvidia.so.1; nvidia-vdpau-driver: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/nvidia/current/libvdpau_nvidia.so.1; nvidia-legacy-390xx-vdpau-driver: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/nvidia/legacy-390xx/libvdpau_nvidia.so.1
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• 1116[16:31:28] <greycat> Damn it, I can never figure out which bots use partial filenames and which ones use whole filenames....
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• 1154[17:17:34] <otisolsen70> I want to run fsck on /. How can I boot up in a state where I can do that without mounting /?
• 1155[17:18:01] <annadane> i presume via live image
• 1156[17:18:03] <greycat> !forcefsck
• 1157[17:18:03] <dpkg> Include fsck.mode=force on the kernel command line to instruct your system to execute <fsck> on the next boot (on systemd installations). With sysvinit or older Debian releases, "touch /forcefsck". Useful for checking the root filesystem for errors (via /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh). Alternatively, supply the -F option to shutdown(8), or include "forcefsck" at the kernel command line.
• 1158[17:18:14] <greycat> live/rescue media would also be an option
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• 1162[17:19:59] <otisolsen70> greycat, thanks
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• 1183[17:41:53] <SlimmyJimmy> How do I install a Google Play store application on/in/from Debian OS?
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• 1185[17:42:14] <SlimmyJimmy> Im running a Debian verson from 2016 still.
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• 1187[17:42:43] <SlimmyJimmy> The desktop says it's Debian 8 (super scripted).
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• 1189[17:43:26] <greycat> For the record, Debian 8 is no longer supported, not even under the LTS arrangement.
• 1190[17:44:15] <greycat> dpkg, jessie-lts =~ s/will receive/received/
• 1191[17:44:16] <dpkg> OK, greycat
• 1192[17:44:20] <greycat> !jessie-lts
• 1193[17:44:20] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 8 "Jessie" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures received additional long term support (<LTS>) via <jessie/updates> until June 30, 2020 for a 5 year lifetime total. See replaced-url
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• 1196[17:45:20] <SlimmyJimmy> I'm just running it in Virtualbox anyway so I am not that concerned about it.
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• 1200[17:45:55] <SlimmyJimmy> Do I need to install the Google Play store on this Debian 8. How do I do that?
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• 1203[17:48:43] <SlimmyJimmy> Come on people, this isn't a game. This is my LIFE were talking about here.
• 1204[17:48:51] <greycat> *plonk*
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• 1210[17:50:08] * Butt3rfly slips in the suggestion og googling like your life depends on it, and then skulks back to off-topic
• 1211[17:50:18] <Butt3rfly> of*
• 1212[17:50:49] <SlimmyJimmy> Googling will always lead to the answer but time is of the essence.
• 1213[17:51:19] <SlimmyJimmy> That's why I'm seeking the help of all gurus in this channel.
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• 1215[17:52:05] <towo`> play elsewhere
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• 1217[17:52:28] <towo`> debian is linux, not android, so there is no google playstore
• 1218[17:53:08] <SlimmyJimmy> towo` So which flavor of Linux would I look to use so I can use the Google Play store on a PC?
• 1219[17:53:26] <towo`> again, olay elsewhere
• 1220[17:53:30] <towo`> *play
• 1221[17:53:38] <SlimmyJimmy> play? This isn't a game.
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• 1223[17:53:56] <towo`> the troll on another place
• 1224[17:54:00] <towo`> *then
• 1225[17:54:13] <SlimmyJimmy> What have I said that would incite anger in you?
• 1226[17:54:22] <SlimmyJimmy> Weird.
• 1227[17:54:26] <towo`> read your words
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• 1230[17:55:29] <SlimmyJimmy> Kind of an odd request. I wrote them all so I know them all. Were you insulted by the compliment of being considered a guru?
• 1231[17:55:36] <SlimmyJimmy> I have no idea...*shrugs*
• 1232[17:55:57] <towo`> install android, then you have the google playstore
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• 1235[17:56:43] <SlimmyJimmy> towo` Thank You. But, serious question here, aren't there multiple Android operating systems that I could install just like all the flavors of Linux?
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• 1238[17:57:38] <SlimmyJimmy> I guess I could Google "download Android OS". I'll try it.
• 1239[17:58:41] <SlimmyJimmy> This looks like my answer: replaced-url
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• 1250[18:04:03] <Guifle> hello, I am unable to install printer drivers because lsb package is required but is no more available. I tried solutions online like using alien package etc. but no avail.
• 1251[18:04:50] <annadane> where did you try installing the drivers from and what debian release are you on?
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• 1253[18:06:38] <Guifle> annadane, from the vendor-provided deb package, buster
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• 1256[18:09:43] <Guifle> so how can I solve this? I need lsb and buster doesnt have it
• 1257[18:10:05] <annadane> i'm not certain, wait a bit for someone else to answer
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• 1259[18:10:50] <Guifle> all right, I am here
• 1260[18:18:41] <towo`> i would use eqivs to build a fake package for that dependency
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• 1262[18:21:03] <Guifle> I never built a package, let alone a fake one
• 1263[18:21:51] <Guifle> there are a lot of problems with buster that I havent had with debian or ubuntu in years
• 1264[18:22:27] <Guifle> the age-old nautilus, the file manager gives errors in basic tasks
• 1265[18:22:50] <Guifle> synaptic doesnt open from terminal
• 1266[18:23:00] <Guifle> guake doesnt open with F12
• 1267[18:23:04] <Guifle> etc etc
• 1268[18:23:14] <Guifle> and now I cant print
• 1269[18:24:02] <Guifle> I drag and drop in file manager, and I get transparent blue square-shaped shadows as many as the number of the files I want to move
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• 1271[18:24:28] <Guifle> only when I close the tab they disappear. and then I right-click to cut and then right-click to paste
• 1272[18:24:44] <Guifle> not even ctrl+C or X or V works
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• 1274[18:25:46] <omnisip> hey guys, I'm having an issue with X11 where my mouse can no longer focus between windows
• 1275[18:25:58] <Guifle> every single linux guy talking about buster bashes Wayland, whether or not above problems relate to it
• 1276[18:26:00] <omnisip> happens randomly -- but when ti does, the scroll wheel becomes like alt-tab and I can't click in anything
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• 1278[18:26:37] <towo`> Guifle, then don't use wayland, where is the problem?
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• 1282[18:28:26] <Guifle> yes, people suggested that, too. first, as I said, I dont know if above problems have to do with it. second, I dont like messing around with things under the hood that I dont know about...does it change anything on my desktop if I switch to whatever is the alternative?
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• 1285[18:29:00] <greycat> The alternative to Wayland would be going back to regular X11.
• 1286[18:29:14] <greycat> (Or a pure console session, for those of you who are insane.)
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• 1288[18:29:53] <Guifle> that is what I am talking about. I dont want to be reduced down to something else in, say, X11. because perhaps there are things I keep using that exist on Wayland only.
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• 1291[18:30:45] <Guifle> if it is completely identical in terms of userland, then fine
• 1292[18:31:08] <Guifle> but still my current problem is lsb
• 1293[18:31:10] <omnisip> greycat, pure console is great, come on now
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• 1297[18:31:46] <omnisip> ~wayland
• 1298[18:31:47] <Guifle> is there a way I can install lsb as the vendor requires that
• 1299[18:31:49] <Guifle> ?
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• 1301[18:32:13] <omnisip> greycat, what is wayland?
• 1302[18:32:20] <greycat> !wayland
• 1303[18:32:20] <dpkg> Wayland is a display server protocol and implementation library, intended as a simpler replacement for the X Window System. Ask me about <weston>. replaced-url
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• 1305[18:32:50] <greycat> Guifle: what *exactly* do they require? Just the lsb_release command?
• 1306[18:32:57] <Guifle> they need the lsb package
• 1307[18:33:07] <Guifle> dependency
• 1308[18:33:10] <greycat> And what is in this "package"?
• 1309[18:33:18] <greycat> What error message are you seeing?
• 1310[18:33:29] <Guifle> usual dependency missing message
• 1311[18:33:36] <Guifle> driver needs that
• 1312[18:33:36] <greycat> Paste the damned error.
• 1313[18:33:43] <greycat> ... *driver*?!
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• 1317[18:34:22] <omnisip> !weston
• 1318[18:34:22] <dpkg> Weston is the reference implementation of a <wayland> compositor (display server), developed by the Wayland project. Available since Debian 8 "Jessie" although very much a work-in-progress. replaced-url
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• 1322[18:34:47] <omnisip> is there any reason I'd want to switch to wayland when all I want to do is get my mouse working properly with X?
• 1323[18:35:27] <Guifle> "dependency problems prevent configuration of...", also "...depends on lsb (>= 3.2); however: Package lsb is not installed."
• 1324[18:36:01] <Guifle> ok, apparently noone knows of a solution and a required printer driver is not availab.e
• 1325[18:36:06] <Guifle> available
• 1326[18:36:08] <greycat> omnisip: if your primary goal is for things to *work*, stick with X11
• 1327[18:36:46] <omnisip> yes, I want things to work
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• 1329[18:37:14] <omnisip> it took 20 years but we finally got audio drivers and an audio system that works on linux pretty consistently
• 1330[18:37:18] <greycat> Guifle: 20 something lines later, now we learn it's for a printer. Maybe you could start with the actual problem, and give the printer model... maybe someone will know. But really, printers are kind of arcane these days, and you might find more knowledge about them on the mailing list.
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• 1334[18:37:57] <greycat> ,v lsb
• 1335[18:37:58] <judd> Package: lsb on amd64 -- jessie: 4.1+Debian13+nmu1
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• 1337[18:38:10] <greycat> The package whose literal name is "lsb" hasn't existed for the last 2 releases.
• 1338[18:38:13] <Guifle> greycat, the 7th word of my very first sentence was "printer" followed by the word "driver"
• 1339[18:38:24] <Guifle> maybe you read first
• 1340[18:39:06] <greycat> Oh, there was a previous session that I didn't scroll up far enough to see. Fine, then.
• 1341[18:39:18] <Guifle> no it is this session
• 1342[18:39:25] <nvz> !equivs
• 1343[18:39:25] <dpkg> equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>.
• 1344[18:39:51] <greycat> 8sigh*
• 1345[18:39:55] <greycat> WHATFUCKINGEVER
• 1346[18:39:56] <greycat> *plonk*
• 1347[18:40:04] <nvz> :D
• 1348[18:40:07] <omnisip> what controls mouse focus in X11? It does not appear to be the window manager
• 1349[18:40:30] <nvz> mouse focus?
• 1350[18:40:30] <greycat> It is the window manager, primarily. In the total absence of a WM, X11 uses focus-follows-mouse.
• 1351[18:40:41] <greycat> In the presence of a WM, there can be other paradigms.
• 1352[18:40:47] <nvz> I think you mean keyboard focus
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• 1354[18:41:24] <nvz> there can be more than /either/
• 1355[18:41:31] <greycat> E.g. if you use "startx xterm" just to test that your X server/drivers are working, you can't type in the little tiny xterm window until you move the mouse into it.
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• 1357[18:42:56] <nvz> omnisip: which WM are you using?
• 1358[18:43:24] <omnisip> nvz, if I meant keyboard focus, I would have said that
• 1359[18:43:34] <omnisip> I've rotated a few, but right now I'm using kwin
• 1360[18:43:54] <nvz> well I have nfc what mouse focus even is
• 1361[18:43:55] <omnisip> I've switched between gnome and kde
• 1362[18:43:59] <nvz> afaik there is no such thing
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• 1365[18:44:28] <omnisip> the default window managers for gnome and kde are having the same issue
• 1366[18:44:32] <nvz> I can't even in all my knowledge and experience fathom what mouse focus would even be
• 1367[18:44:36] <omnisip> I've tried injecting lxde or such too I believe
• 1368[18:44:50] <omnisip> nvz, I guess you should study css
• 1369[18:45:27] <Guifle> whose intelligent ideas are these? having people dig around like in the 90s for even the most basic of needs? and earlier it was the missing proprietary drivers that caused the problem, now the drivers are there, but the non-proprietary packages are excluded
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• 1371[18:46:01] <nvz> so you want to maintain the "hover" effect on a widget/element when the mouse isn't on it?
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• 1374[18:47:04] <nvz> Guifle: your argument is moot if you are installing something third party.. because it has nothing to do with us volunteer debian users or the debian developers
• 1375[18:47:11] <omnisip> I want to be able to click between windows and use my scroll wheel, without it trying to switch between five other windows, and putting the keyboard focus in the wrong one
• 1376[18:47:12] <nvz> Guifle: bitch at the people who made the package
• 1377[18:47:34] <omnisip> I also want to be able to use my scroll wheel in places where a scroll wheel would normally be appropriate
• 1378[18:47:35] <Guifle> nvz, not at all. this package was included before.
• 1379[18:47:36] <nvz> Guifle: if you /need/ a package of a certain /name/ you can use equivs to make a dummy package to satisfy the dependency
• 1380[18:47:48] <omnisip> and I'd like to be able to click to focus the keyboard in a specific window
• 1381[18:47:59] <Guifle> nvz you dont get me. I shouldnt need that in 2020. not when the driver itself is there.
• 1382[18:48:23] <Guifle> do you tell me that I should build my own text editor?
• 1383[18:48:25] <Guifle> no.
• 1384[18:48:27] <Guifle> so?
• 1385[18:48:36] <nvz> you apparently don't get me.. we don't care.. we're here to help solve issues.. voluntarily.. not argue or take complaints
• 1386[18:48:49] <Guifle> oh, yes, not my department
• 1387[18:48:57] <Guifle> I should go to debian headquarters
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• 1390[18:49:05] <Guifle> corporate shit
• 1391[18:49:18] <nvz> or you can just quit being an ass and let someone help you solve the problem
• 1392[18:49:33] <Guifle> this is you
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• 1394[18:49:44] <Guifle> you dont even help as you say
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• 1396[18:49:54] <Guifle> you only try to silence
• 1397[18:49:57] <omnisip> Guifle, I'm not following the discussion, but if you don't chill, someone will probably kick you
• 1398[18:50:03] <Guifle> that's your notoriety
• 1399[18:50:15] <Guifle> but doesnt cover up,
• 1400[18:50:28] <nvz> I have.. best as I understand your problem, you're trying to install a 3rd party package which requires something the system provides but it expects a dependency on a package that no longer exists.. and I said three times now.. EQUIVS.. its the solution
• 1401[18:50:28] <Guifle> oh, omnisip, go ahead, confirm me
• 1402[18:50:50] <Guifle> "stop him, he's revealing us"
• 1403[18:51:14] <Guifle> where is greycat, btw..your mastermind
• 1404[18:51:19] <greycat> Or, ask debian-user how to get your printer working. Give them your Debian version and printer model, and indicate what you've tried so far, in terms of finding a CUPS config file for it.
• 1405[18:51:33] <greycat> There are a few people on d-u who know printers. I doubt there are many here.
• 1406[18:51:44] <omnisip> what kind of printer is it?
• 1407[18:51:52] <SerajewelKS> i know i hate printers, does that count?
• 1408[18:51:56] <greycat> Yes!
• 1409[18:51:57] <omnisip> SerajewelKS, yes
• 1410[18:51:58] <nvz> SerajewelKS: heh
• 1411[18:52:30] <omnisip> to be frank, printers tend to work better more consistently on Linux than on other operating systems -- which I think is funny by itself
• 1412[18:52:45] <omnisip> at least half of them these days support IPP
• 1413[18:52:50] <SerajewelKS> or at least they don't require a 500MB driver on linux
• 1414[18:52:57] <greycat> "The only thing I tried was installing a random third-party 'driver' package that depends on 'lsb' that hasn't existed since jessie" is perhaps also a useful thing to tell them, so they can direct you to the correct paths.
• 1415[18:53:20] <omnisip> if we're talking scanners? -- now there's something I truly despise
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• 1417[18:53:40] <SerajewelKS> flatbed scanners at least generally work pretty well
• 1418[18:53:44] <omnisip> I will go out of my way to use someone else's xerox multi-feed scanner that sends directly to PDF before I try to bother getting one of those to work with an OS
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• 1420[18:53:55] <nvz> if you just buy HP, it all typically works without a fuss
• 1421[18:54:03] <omnisip> nvz, also agreed
• 1422[18:54:05] <SerajewelKS> i can't think of the last time i had an issue with a USB flatbed scanner on linux
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• 1425[18:54:19] <omnisip> who wants to use a flatbed scanner? Who ever has just one document to scan?
• 1426[18:54:37] <SerajewelKS> me when i'm making tabletop simulator kits :|
• 1427[18:54:38] <omnisip> or rather one page
• 1428[18:54:51] <SerajewelKS> hard to scan 500 little cardboard pieces with a feeder
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• 1430[18:54:57] <omnisip> hah
• 1431[18:55:07] <nvz> HP is the only printer/scanner mfg I know of that contributes properly to FOSS
• 1432[18:55:20] <SerajewelKS> every feeder i've used scans crooked as well, like 5 degrees of rotation
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• 1434[18:55:25] <SerajewelKS> not enough to matter. just enough to bug me.
• 1435[18:55:31] <annadane> but unfortunately it's HP :P
• 1436[18:55:38] <omnisip> they're also unfortunately the target of an FTC suit because of their whole ink cartridge thing now
• 1437[18:55:53] <omnisip> (probably rightfully so)
• 1438[18:56:03] <nvz> yeah, well.. what else can ya do but stop buying crap that doesnt feel your choice of OS is relevant to their bottom line
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• 1441[18:56:35] <omnisip> nvz, I just can't imagine buying a printer that doesn't support IPP these days or pdf or ps print natively
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• 1444[18:56:44] <omnisip> but then again, I won't buy a printer, I'll use someone else's
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• 1446[18:57:17] <omnisip> is there anyone here who can help me debug this mouse issue?
• 1447[18:57:24] <omnisip> I've already sifted through libevent
• 1448[18:57:28] <omnisip> sorry libinput
• 1449[18:57:30] <nvz> yeah its not very economical for me to have a printer I would use it so seldomly even laser toner would probably disintegrate before I'd use it :P
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• 1451[18:57:44] <greycat> Near as I can tell from what I read several minutes ago, "it only happens sometimes", it sounded like some application had opened a modal window.
• 1452[18:58:00] <BlackMug> Hello There
• 1453[18:58:15] <omnisip> greycat, is that in reference to me?
• 1454[18:58:22] <greycat> yes, you
• 1455[18:58:27] <omnisip> I checked for that
• 1456[18:58:43] <omnisip> I've never seen this behavior before where the scroll wheel becomes alt-tab
• 1457[18:58:48] <greycat> Describe the symptoms with as much precision as you can.
• 1458[18:58:58] <omnisip> and then I can't click to focus on another window
• 1459[18:59:14] <greycat> Bear in mind that "alt-tab" doesn't do anything by default, either. It's a "switch toplevel window focus" thing in MS Windows.
• 1460[18:59:15] <BlackMug> according to this ticket not all chromium components pass the licensing checkout:replaced-url
• 1461[18:59:23] <annadane> i hear brother printers are supposed to be decent
• 1462[18:59:43] <omnisip> I can use a special "button" on my mouse that isn't normal to somehow refocus sometimes with side effects
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• 1464[19:00:01] <omnisip> greycat, I get that -- but the behavior is the same (it's window switching, but not focusing after switching the windows)
• 1465[19:00:23] <greycat> sounds like a desktop environment or window manager thing, to be sure
• 1466[19:00:29] <omnisip> I would agree
• 1467[19:00:38] <omnisip> and I changed the window manager and the desktop environment at least twice
• 1468[19:00:48] <omnisip> but even going from kde to gnome
• 1469[19:00:52] <omnisip> the issue comes back
• 1470[19:01:05] <greycat> Please stop hitting Enter in the middle of every single goddamned phrase.
• 1471[19:03:51] <omnisip> sorry -- wasn't my intention. Now I've replaced the window manager with openbox, and am still getting similar issues.
• 1472[19:05:36] <omnisip> is there a way to see what X thinks it's doing when I'm scrolling the mouse?
• 1473[19:05:41] <greycat> xev
• 1474[19:06:13] <greycat> but I think you're looking for something HIGHER level -- what the WM is doing upon receipt of the Button events
• 1475[19:06:33] <greycat> but at least xev will confirm the Button events are going through
• 1476[19:06:37] <omnisip> I have this hunch it's like X thinks a button is hard pressed, because it appears to be an issue with every window manager
• 1477[19:07:15] <greycat> "X" does not do what you are describing.
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• 1488[19:11:30] <omnisip> this is helpful -- even if I don't know what it's doing entirely. Specifically, how button 20 (whatever that is) makes it possible for me to change window 'grab'
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• 1497[19:28:15] <BlackMug> anybody does know an answer or where to ask if this is not the appropriate channel for this?
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• 1503[19:31:22] <omnisip> I think it's time for the sledge hammer solution
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• 1506[19:32:32] <jmcnaught> BlackMug: have you checked replaced-url
• 1507[19:33:30] <BlackMug> actually no , thanks for that i will check now
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• 1515[19:39:37] <jmcnaught> BlackMug: I didn't read the entire issue that you linked, but is it that there are non-free components, or that the license check doesn't properly detect all licenses? One of the only references I can find on the BTS suggests this: replaced-url
• 1516[19:39:38] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1517[19:40:22] <BlackMug> license check doesn't properly detect all licenses <- this one
• 1518[19:43:10] <BlackMug> as you said that the only one bug report related to the issue i posted cant find something related in the chromium-debian bugs
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• 1520[19:44:05] <BlackMug> abd since since license check doesnt properly detect all licenses i dont know if there are nonfree components within it
• 1521[19:44:10] <BlackMug> and*
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• 1526[19:48:32] <BlackMug> why i said it should be flagged with nonfree? because unknown license is nonfree license.
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• 1528[19:49:13] <jmcnaught> Is it an unknown license, or is it that the automated tools are not properly detecting all the licenses. I think it's the latter.
• 1529[19:50:11] <jmcnaught> If Chromium had non-free parts and this bug has been open since 2009 on chromium's tracker, then I doubt that Chromium would still be in Debian main without having the non-free parts removed (indicated by DFSG in the version string).
• 1530[19:51:00] <jmcnaught> But if you're worried about it, Firefox is a better browser anyways ;)
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• 1532[19:52:10] <BlackMug> what you said is obviously true , but thought it wouldnt pass to debian free repository without defining all their components to the automated tool
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• 1535[19:53:19] <BlackMug> yeah we had a debate on that which one really better FF or chromium when it comes to security and privacy
• 1536[19:53:51] <BlackMug> security going to chromium which has better isolation and sandboxing than firefox
• 1537[19:54:03] <jmcnaught> BlackMug: another place you could check is searching the archives of the debian-legal mailing list: replaced-url
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• 1539[19:54:24] <BlackMug> the debate was on privacy which one is better
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• 1541[19:54:44] <BlackMug> ah cool, thanks alot jmcnaught
• 1542[19:55:35] <Guifle> hello new people here ("some" old ones from my last session need not apply and will be ignored)...I cant print as lsb package is missing for me to install the driver. can you perhaps suggest a solution other than "building it myself"?
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• 1545[19:56:18] <Guifle> v
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• 1547[19:59:47] <nvz> equivs for the fourth time
• 1548[20:00:59] <greycat> Is that still the printer guy? I harbor serious doubts that installing a pseudo-package that provides "lsb" via equivs is going to make some obsolete older-than-stretch third party "driver" package work.
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• 1550[20:01:21] <nvz> yeah well they dont wanna provide more information or try it so idk
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• 1554[20:03:54] <nvz> idk that lsb ever really did anything to begin with..
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• 1556[20:05:38] <greycat> replaced-url
• 1557[20:05:52] <greycat> That's an ... interesting file list.
• 1558[20:06:32] <greycat> I guess it existed more for its Depends: than for its actual files.
• 1559[20:06:56] <greycat> one of the Depends: listed on the p.d.o site is "lsb-printing" which may be of interest to printer guy
• 1560[20:07:31] * greycat looks at the next file list... "or maybe not"
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• 1562[20:08:58] <nvz> yes, well thats why I felt the debian answer was equivs.. cause anyone /depending/ on lsb doesn't know shit about debian :P
• 1563[20:09:14] <nvz> as for if the driver will work, thats a different issue altogether..
• 1564[20:09:31] <nvz> but as far as I understand they were asking about a dependency on lsb
• 1565[20:09:35] <nvz> thats easy to solve
• 1566[20:11:13] <nvz> and considering lsb contained nothing when we had it.. an equivs package would be no different :P
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• 1568[20:11:37] <Raito_Bezarius> Hello, I'm trying to generate a custom ISO which performs unattended installation and inject a SSH key, is Preseed the way to go?
• 1569[20:11:44] <Raito_Bezarius> Is there an easy way to script generation of such ISO?
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• 1571[20:11:59] <Raito_Bezarius> Let's say ./generate_iso <path_to_ssh_key> <debian_target_iso>
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• 1573[20:12:30] <Raito_Bezarius> FAI looks overkill and I didn't find any package for other distributions than Debian/Ubuntu-based
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• 1577[20:15:49] <nvz> according to the upstream website fai works with centos, rhel, etc..
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• 1579[20:16:58] <jim> as far as I can see, (maybe the first and) the last time lsb-printing was in debian was in jessie, how can I find the messages that prompted removal from the archive, and that stated the reasoning?
• 1580[20:17:34] <Raito_Bezarius> nvz: I didn't talk about what FAI supports as target distro, but rather the FAI tooling is packaged only on Debian/Ubuntu apparently
• 1581[20:17:40] <greycat> ,v lsb-printing
• 1582[20:17:42] <judd> Package: lsb-printing on amd64 -- jessie: 4.1+Debian13+nmu1
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• 1584[20:18:18] <greycat> I'm confused as hell. I'm looking at replaced-url
• 1585[20:18:47] <greycat> was the old "lsb" (and lsb-printing) from a *different* source package than "lsb"?
• 1586[20:18:49] <nvz> Raito_Bezarius: afaik, and I've never used it.. you dont need a package.. they offer a FAI iso which is what you use
• 1587[20:18:51] <jim> isn't lsb a different package from lsb-printing?
• 1588[20:19:05] <Raito_Bezarius> nvz: the FAI iso is used to create FAI iso?
• 1589[20:19:08] <greycat> jim: if you can decipher any of this shit, PLEASE tell me how
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• 1591[20:19:21] <nvz> :D
• 1592[20:19:28] <Raito_Bezarius> because what I want is to fai-diskimage into a qcow2 disk
• 1593[20:19:42] <greycat> I would *love* to know how to get to the correct tracker page for a dead package
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• 1595[20:19:55] <jim> greycat, what's the problem exactly?
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• 1597[20:20:03] <nvz> Raito_Bezarius: replaced-url
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• 1599[20:20:17] <nvz> Raito_Bezarius: idk, as I said I've never done such installs but sounds like it handles it all..
• 1600[20:20:34] <Raito_Bezarius> I'll hammer this with a lot of requests for unique ISO
• 1601[20:20:40] <Raito_Bezarius> I'm not sure it's very netizen-friendly
• 1602[20:20:42] <greycat> jim: the "problem exactly" is the only way I know how to get to ANY tracker page is to begin typing "tracker" into Chrome's url bar, and let it autocomplete to a package's tracker page that I have been to before, then replace the last bit with my guess at a package name
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• 1605[20:21:54] <greycat> If I start from <replaced-url
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• 1607[20:22:41] <greycat> There's a "2" link at the bottom of the tracker page that goes to <replaced-url
• 1608[20:23:14] <greycat> There is some sort of discontinuity here, from version 4.1 on page 2, to version 9.20150826 on page 1.
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• 1611[20:24:00] <greycat> And unfortunately, nothing on page 2 says why it was REMOVED from testing.
• 1612[20:24:01] <jim> when I type tracker in firefox, I get a pile of amazon package tracking links
• 1613[20:24:13] <greycat> your page history is different from mine
• 1614[20:24:15] <jim> so much worse off than you in this :)
• 1615[20:24:32] <jim> true enough
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• 1617[20:26:21] <jim> ok, I tried searching for 'debian package tracker, got a page I could type in a package, typed lsb-printing, took me to lsb
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• 1619[20:26:42] <greycat> Correct. /lsb-release redirects you to /lsb also.
• 1620[20:26:58] <greycat> err /lsb-printing
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• 1622[20:27:16] <jim> does that mean that the source for lsb-printing is actually in the lsb source package?
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• 1624[20:27:29] <greycat> *was*
• 1625[20:27:39] <greycat> but you can see that on p.d.o as well
• 1626[20:28:55] <jim> I -guess- maybe the changelog is relevent/
• 1627[20:28:57] <jim> ?
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• 1632[20:32:34] <jim> ok... the changelog also says -nothing- about the removal of lsb-printing
• 1633[20:33:08] <greycat> ,v lsb-base
• 1634[20:33:09] <judd> Package: lsb-base on amd64 -- jessie: 4.1+Debian13+nmu1; stretch: 9.20161125; buster: 10.2019051400; bullseye: 11.1.0; sid: 11.1.0
• 1635[20:33:41] <greycat> Near as I can tell, the upstream version jumped from 4.x to 9.x and the newer versions simply do not *produce* "lsb" or "lsb-printing" binary packages.
• 1636[20:34:37] <jim> is there evidence either that lsb-printing exists, or that it was removed?
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• 1645[20:40:25] <quadrathoch2> greycat it get's even weirder, as linux foundation only has up to version 5, which has no changelog as it was removed
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• 1651[20:42:55] <jim> can you get a list of packages that depend on a specific package?
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• 1653[20:43:04] <greycat> apt-cache showpkg foo
• 1654[20:43:31] <greycat> e.g. I did "apt-cache showpkg lsb" a while back
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• 1658[20:45:38] <jim> that's a -lot- of packages :)
• 1659[20:45:48] <greycat> huh?
• 1660[20:45:58] <jim> apt-cache showpkg lsb-base
• 1661[20:46:05] <greycat> Oh, why would you do that...
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• 1663[20:46:46] <jim> to find evidence that there's some sort of print functionality package that depends on lsb-base
• 1664[20:47:28] <greycat> the tracker page tells you what binary packages are produced by the (current!) version of the "lsb" source package. there are only two.
• 1665[20:47:50] <greycat> doesn't tell you what the 4.x version did, though
• 1666[20:48:06] <jim> found that, lsb-release and lsb-base
• 1667[20:49:21] <jim> so now, I'm looking at the reverse depends of lsb-base to see if there is any print functionality (I have printing, so there must be something... well, maybe not lsb printing)
• 1668[20:50:51] <greycat> This is all a ludicrous waste of time. You just ask debian-user how to get your printer working and wait for them to tell you.
• 1669[20:51:07] <greycat> Or you google "cups ___" where ___ is your printer model.
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• 1671[20:51:36] <jim> ok, I found lprng, but that's pretty much it as far as I can see
• 1672[20:52:06] <greycat> that is a dead end. unless you're in 1996.
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• 1772[22:41:43] <Hi-Angel> Hey! At work I recently made some project to be built as a non-root (which is clearly must have). And afterwards I got a complaint that when a .deb package being assembled and someone installs it, the files installed have non-root rights as well. It's surprising, because on my distro Archlinux packages are always assmebled as non-root, and upon installation package manager sets the owner to root correctly. But upon getting a
• 1773[22:41:43] <Hi-Angel> random .deb package from ubuntu.packages I see the files are originally root-owned
• 1774[22:42:01] <Hi-Angel> I wonder, is it true that on Debian packages have to be assembled as root?
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• 1776[22:42:35] <greycat> Are you asking "how do you build a .deb package"? The normal tool set includes a program named fakeroot.
• 1777[22:42:41] <greycat> !nmi
• 1778[22:42:42] <dpkg> nmi is, like, Non-Maskable Interrupts, a way to diagnose why a CPU soft-froze. replaced-url
• 1779[22:42:48] <greycat> !nmg
• 1780[22:42:48] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
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• 1785[22:44:59] <Hi-Angel> greycat, so, the answer is that files in a debian package have to be owned by root. Okay, I see, thanks.
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• 1789[22:46:42] <greycat> *what*
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• 1793[22:47:37] <greycat> No, the package has to be built by a NON-root user, but using a tool that gives FAKE ROOT privileges during a specific part of the build, so that the files in the tarball will be owned by the *correct* user, which may be root, or replaced-url
• 1794[22:49:01] <Hi-Angel> Yeah, right, so the files in debian package gets owned by root. Through means of fakeroot.
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• 1801[22:55:15] <greycat> unicorn:~$ ar p /var/cache/apt/archives/at_3.1.23-1_amd64.deb data.tar.xz | xz -dc | tar tvf - | grep usr/bin/at
• 1802[22:55:18] <greycat> -rwsr-sr-x daemon/daemon 55560 2018-07-24 05:17 ./usr/bin/at
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• 1809[22:59:54] <Hi-Angel> Hmm, I see, thanks
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• 1843[23:18:47] <SlimmyJimmy> Which Android OS can run in a VirtualBox without installing it?
• 1844[23:19:14] <sney> android and virtualbox are both 3rd party stuff that isn't supported in debian.
• 1845[23:19:38] <sney> but, broadly, you should be able to virtualize android x86 on a typical desktop/laptop running debian amd64.
• 1846[23:20:42] <SlimmyJimmy> Oh, yes. I guess I should be asking this on Linux channel. Thank You.
• 1847[23:21:33] <eventhorizon5> You should be able to run Android with the Android SDK, which virtualizes it on Debian (I've done this myself). I don't know what other channel you'd be able to discuss this in though.
• 1848[23:22:03] <sney> maybe in #android
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• 1850[23:22:41] <SlimmyJimmy> Well, I think I'll just download some Android OS images and install one from a VirtualBox if I have too.
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• 1889[23:59:15] <Bugz000> hey guys, not my rpi here but what would this be a symptom of? replaced-url
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