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1[00:00:11] <GenTooMan> although I have yet to successfully
enable my ASIX based ethernet USB device. I found that it is 1
recognized 2 the module is not loaded however it states eth1
register 'asix' at usb-0000:00:02.1.-5 ASI AX88772 USB
ethernet, 00:1f... so it registers it but doesn't load the
module I won't be able to reinstall debian in any easy fashion
likely because it won't load the USB ethernet. More importantly
the internal NIC on the board
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3[00:00:11] <GenTooMan> is toast.
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6[00:02:37] <GenTooMan> I also set up /etc/network/interfaces
to load up eth1 however the line spacing might be wrong now that I
look at it.
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8[00:03:16] <lessthan0> do I need sudo to apt install samba?
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9[00:03:33] <lessthan0> it has failed warnings during install
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14[00:06:12] <lessthan0>
replaced-url
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24[00:09:19] <GenTooMan> ok weird dmesg information asix
1-5:1.0 nex00... renamed from eth1, it changed the device name so I
can't use it with interfaces it looks like
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51[00:25:01] <foo> What's the difference between /etc/init
versus /etc/systemd/system/ for a script I can control with service
___ restart ?
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53[00:25:11] <foo> I put it in /etc/init, it was working... now
it says service not found and I'm confused
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61[00:33:31] <Brigo> foo, /etc/init is for configuring script
in sysvinit system, /etc/systemd/system is for configuring systemd
units. Are you using systemd or systemvinit?
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84[00:53:24] <foo> Brigo: Both, but originally I put something
in /etc/init/myservicename.conf then I did service myservicename
restart... it worked. Now it's not working.
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85[00:53:34] <foo> I did this with another one and put it in
/etc/systemd/system too...
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117[01:14:14] <GenTooMan> soblem prolved it appears the kernal
renamed my connection from eth1 to something else using the
something else enabled it in ifconfig ... yeah made no sense but
there you have it why it didn't work.
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184[01:41:11] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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185[01:41:14] <tobiasBora>
replaced-url
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187[01:41:27] <petn-randall> tobiasBora: no
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190[01:42:28] <tobiasBora> petn-randall: Hum strange, when I
update it I get "0% [Connexion à ftp.fr.debian.org
(2a01:e0c:1:1598::2)]^C" and after some times it fails
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192[01:42:35] <tobiasBora> (error 101)
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195[01:43:14] <petn-randall> tobiasBora: Over IPv6?
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196[01:43:25] <petn-randall> Might not be correctly set up on
your end.
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206[01:44:53] <tobiasBora> petn-randall: Hum... Any idea how I
could test this kind of ftp server by command line to try in ipv4
and ipv6?
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208[01:44:59] <foo> Do I want to put init scripts, for python,
in /etc/init or /etc/systemd/system ?
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210[01:45:30] <tobiasBora> oh, curl is working
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213[01:46:15] <tobiasBora> hum, it's just that the server
is working back. Great :D
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214[01:46:18] <tobiasBora> thanks!
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227[01:51:45] <petn-randall> foo: sysv init scripts only go in
/etc/init.d/. systemd unit files go to /etc/systemd/system/.
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271[02:28:54] <T_Karras> anybody here who can help me with
something?
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274[02:30:13] <abrotman> T_Karras: just ask
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279[02:31:08] <T_Karras> well I'm trying to create a system
using OpenVPN where I can access my files and email server. So far
I'm able to recieve emails and access my webserver but I
can't send out emails because of something relating to openvpn
or iptables.
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280[02:31:16] <T_Karras> I tried asking in #openvpn and nobody
has answered thus far.
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281[02:31:58] <T_Karras> all I get is GET INST BY VIRT: [failed]
whenever I go a traceroute -T with an external IP.
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285[02:33:07] <T_Karras> is there anything I can do like
redirecting TCP SYN through iptables or do I have to wait around in
#openvpn abrotman?
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291[02:36:25] <petn-randall> !crosspost
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292[02:36:34] <petn-randall> Hmm, dpkg died.
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293[02:37:38] *** Parts: asyd (~asyd@replaced-ip) ()
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294[02:37:53] <petn-randall> T_Karras: In general it's seen
as impolite to ask the same question in several channels, because
you'll be wasting everyone's time who'll respond
after you get a response in the other channel. It's good to
wait an hour (or more, depending on the size of the channel) before
asking somewhere else.
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295[02:38:09] <T_Karras> I did wait a long time.
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296[02:38:12] <T_Karras> more than an hour.
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297[02:38:22] <petn-randall> T_Karras: That being said, if you
provided the same info as in the other channel, you need to add a
lot more details for anyone to be able to look into your issue.
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298[02:38:34] <T_Karras> such as?
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299[02:39:46] <T_Karras> iptables is not enabled and I'm
running the mail and webserver on an OpenVPN client server.
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300[02:40:08] <T_Karras> That's where I'm having the
problem... OpenVPN Server is running Debian 7, my server is running
Debian 9.
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301[02:40:21] <petn-randall> T_Karras: How you set up the
openvpn server (config file), if you could connect successfully with
the client, and how you want to reach whatever network is behind the
openvpn server.
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303[02:40:56] <T_Karras> hold on...
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305[02:41:11] <petn-randall> I have to head off to bed now,
though. I'm sure someone in the channel can help you in here.
If not - the channel is a lot busier during EU/US business hours.
I'll be back then.
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308[02:41:24] <T_Karras> okay... I'll be here.
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313[02:44:11] <T_Karras> config file:
replaced-url
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314[02:44:29] <T_Karras> in addition, I can't use apt-get
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315[02:44:41] <michael2> hi all. If my / filetree is mounted
onto a LVM based FDE filesystem, as per here:
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316[02:44:43] <michael2>
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352[03:11:23] <zentris> Hey does anyone know, who is in charge
of wiki.debian.org? I can't register due to "Account
creation failed: To prevent spam"
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355[03:11:37] <zentris> I've emailed wiki@debian.org
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475[04:14:21] <RoyK> jak2000: ss -ntlp or netstat -lnp
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476[04:14:31] <jgkamat> hi, I'm getting the nvidia held
back error that kion was getting a while back, but if I dist-upgrade
a bunch of packages are getting removed (such as qt and steam). Does
anyone have any suggestions on what I can investigate?
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478[04:14:59] <jgkamat>
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490[04:22:20] <pingfloyd> jgkamat: what's the problem?
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492[04:22:49] <pingfloyd> dist-upgrade wanting to remove
packages you want to keep?
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493[04:22:53] <jgkamat> pingfloyd: I want to keep my system
updated but I don't want to remove qt
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494[04:22:54] <jgkamat> yes
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495[04:23:09] <pingfloyd> just qt you want to keep?
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497[04:23:28] <jgkamat> no, there's other things as well.
Ideally I'd like to find out why it's requesting removals
in the first place
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498[04:23:32] <pingfloyd> for the automatic removals, that
requires setting what you want to keep as manual, or have some
package installed that depends on it.
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500[04:24:08] <pingfloyd> is this upgrade from one release to
another, or dist-upgrade within your current running release?
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501[04:24:35] <jgkamat> this started happening on the 9.5
release, I did a partial upgrade (apt upgrade, not dist-upgrade) to
9.5 though
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503[04:25:09] <jgkamat> I'm guessing it has something to do
with the nvidia driver updates in 9.5
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504[04:26:35] <pingfloyd> could be
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505[04:26:57] <pingfloyd> what I do with these sorts of
situations is use synaptic or aptitude's TUI.
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506[04:27:42] <pingfloyd> and make sure everything I want to
keep is marked manual, while everything I don't want or care as
auto. Then I let autoremove sort it out.
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508[04:28:29] <pingfloyd> jgkamat: which DE do you use?
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510[04:30:04] <pingfloyd> jgkamat: one thing that will be
helpful too is using apt-cache rdepends <package you don't
want removed> to see if any other packages are keeping it on the
system.
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512[04:30:28] <pingfloyd> also apt-rdepends is handy if you want
to see reverse or forward dependencies recursively
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514[04:32:33] <jgkamat> pingfloyd: I use bspwm. I think
there's something really wrong though since it's also
removing a bunch of nvidia stuff. "sudo apt-cache rdepends
qtwebengine5-dev" dosen't give me anything (that's
one of the incorrectly removed packages). I think I installed it
manually.
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515[04:33:03] <jgkamat> er, my DE is KDE, I think
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516[04:33:40] <csmall> Hi all.
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517[04:34:02] <pingfloyd> jgkamat: do you have it currently
installed?
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518[04:34:22] <pingfloyd> (dpkg -l "kde*")
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521[04:35:30] <halvors> I'm trying to build systemd from
source using the buster weekly snapshot. But the build fails with
some tests that fails, anyone know how to fix this? Should the
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522[04:36:24] <jgkamat> er, actually it isn't kde,
it's cinnamon (I have cinnamon-core installed)
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524[04:36:52] <jgkamat> pingfloyd: I don't think I actually
use a DE regularly, but I don't think that matters in this
case, does it
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525[04:36:58] <pingfloyd> jgkamat: what's apt-mark
showmanual | grep cinnamon show
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526[04:37:31] <pingfloyd> jgkamat: well, a qt based de will
bring in the qt dependencies
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528[04:38:13] <jgkamat> I manually installed qt
(qtwebengine5-dev is under showmanual). cinnamon, cinnamon-core,
task-cinnamon-desktop are under the cinnamon grep (minus show)
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529[04:39:00] <jgkamat> (as is steam)
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530[04:39:22] <pingfloyd> is cinnamon marked manual?
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531[04:39:52] <jgkamat> yes
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532[04:40:03] <pingfloyd> I was afraid of that
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533[04:40:18] <pingfloyd> I think there's a conflict with
the packages there and the ones it want's to upgrade
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534[04:40:19] <un214> there is a way to unmanual a package is
there not?
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535[04:40:33] <pingfloyd> un214: we want cinnamon to be manual
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536[04:40:48] <pingfloyd> if it were an auto, we could probably
fix the issue somewhat by marking it manual
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537[04:41:16] <un214> ah I guess I wasn't quite following;
thought the manual caused a package conflict
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538[04:41:35] <csmall> Is there a package I can install that
will auto mount usb sticks when they are plugged in?
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539[04:41:38] <pingfloyd> un214: he's having a problem with
dist-upgrade wanting to remove packages he wants to keep
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540[04:41:39] <jgkamat> I mean, I'm not too fussed about
loosing cinnamon, but I don't want to loose the graphics driver
packages (I think there's some conflict and if I upgrade
I'll probably loose graphics)
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541[04:41:50] <razer2> pingfloyd, For some reason cinnamon
seemed slock to respond to me when clicking.
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542[04:42:22] <pingfloyd> jgkamat: right, but package dependency
snafus usually come down to marking a few key packages as manual
(when everything is running normal).
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545[04:43:08] <pingfloyd> jgkamat: alternatively, you could just
mark everything you want as manual instead of letting another
package keep it installed to satisfy a dependency (auto).
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547[04:43:20] <pingfloyd> but that is kind of messy
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552[04:44:52] <pingfloyd> jgkamat: what you might do is use
aptitude (gui mode) and try the dist-upgrade there, then you can
play with the packages and/or choose between a few dependency
resolutions.
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553[04:45:34] <pingfloyd> play with, as in experiment with
marking them auto/manual and/or removing a package and see what
other packages it affects for removal.
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554[04:45:44] <un214> the way I solve that problem is let
dist-upgrade remove it, then install it directly
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555[04:46:07] <un214> the only case I recall where that was
problematic was blocking systemd-sysv
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556[04:46:09] <jak2000> RoyK:
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557[04:46:19] <pingfloyd> that's not a bad idea as it may
be the quicker and cleaner fix when all is done.
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558[04:46:29] <jgkamat> pingfloyd: ah, aptitude was able to find
the issue, I think I have conflicting packages installed. I have
'libgldispatch0-nvidia' installed which isn't in the
repos, I'm guessing it was removed or it came from a ppa -_-
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559[04:46:32] <pingfloyd> only thing to watch with that approach
is that it doesn't remove anything critical
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560[04:46:47] <pingfloyd> such apt for example.
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561[04:46:58] <pingfloyd> no package manager on the system
create a catch 22
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565[04:47:32] <pingfloyd> jgkamat: right on! (my hunch was
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567[04:47:51] <un214> I think apt won't remove itself
unless you tell it to
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568[04:47:52] <pingfloyd> jgkamat: I'd stay away from PPAs
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570[04:48:06] <pingfloyd> jgkamat: for the same reason I'd
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571[04:48:33] <pingfloyd> un214: also got to watch what apt
depends as well
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572[04:48:35] <jgkamat> yah, I feel like this didn't come
from one though, I only have the git-lfs one enabled (which I
probably should get rid of). I'll look around and find out
where it was from :P
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573[04:48:51] <jgkamat> google seems to think it was in the
repos at some point judging by the results though
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575[04:48:52] <pingfloyd> missing or broken
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577[04:49:12] <un214> nah; download apt.dpkg and dpkg install it
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579[04:49:27] <un214> now if you broke dpkg you're in
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668[06:00:48] <jak2000> if stop iptables i can connect to mysql
if start cant connect...
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669[06:01:27] <dodobrain> then you have a rule to block requests
on that port
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671[06:01:39] <dodobrain> iptables -L will list your current
rules
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672[06:01:39] <jak2000> dodobrain how to open?
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791[07:28:25] <addkt> anyone on here a web developer that
wouldn't mind helping a new fella out?
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819[07:41:43] <rant> addkt: you need to just ask your question
and if its offtopic or no one speaks up to help, we could at least
perhaps point you somewhere you can get help
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823[07:43:24] <rant> addkt: garnering interest of volunteer
support works best when you ask a question that sparks interest..
asking if you can get help kinda says, this will probably waste more
of my time than I am willing to spend
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845[07:52:50] <addkt> rant, Alright. How about, Can you point me
in the direction towards a great tutorial? That's what I meant
to say. I don't need to waste a bunch of your time. I'm
just trying to learn and some of the websites I'm reading are
outdated and aren't getting to the point I want.
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849[07:54:21] <rant> addkt: you're still being too vague
for anyone to help you.. the kinda web design I learned was back in
the .com boom era.. basic html, javascript, css stuff.. these days
there are so many webdev platforms
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851[07:54:50] <addkt> rant, PHP and MySQL specifically.
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854[07:55:25] <rant> have you considered hanging out in a PHP
channel if php dev is something you want to do?
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856[07:55:44] <addkt> why would you puke?
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857[07:55:53] <rant> I often spend time in #bash or #python as I
code in those languages a lot and you learn things there
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858[07:56:03] <addkt> Python is great. I just know basics.
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860[07:56:15] <rant> I am not a huge fan of markup and php is
just gross to me
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863[07:56:42] <rant> I'd rather code in javascript than php
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865[07:56:47] <addkt> Well, for what I'm going for. I know
a little bit of bash, a little python. Nothing to create something
substantial, which I wish I could.
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866[07:56:59] <rant> and when I've done LAMP stuff I used
Python as my 'P'
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867[07:57:03] <addkt> javascript isn't server however.
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868[07:57:13] <rant> you're kidding right?
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870[07:57:24] <addkt> Umm, educate me if you choose to? lol
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871[07:57:35] <rant> that may have been the case when I was
learning and using it in the 90s
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872[07:57:55] <rant> javascript is now everywhere, on and off
the web and on both sides
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875[07:59:05] <rant> ,i nodejs
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876[07:59:06] <judd> Package nodejs (web, extra) in
stretch/amd64: evented I/O for V8 javascript. Version: 4.8.2~dfsg-1;
Size: 3359.4k; Installed: 13928k; Homepage:
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877[07:59:22] <rant> that is javascript for server side
application development
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878[07:59:39] <rant> then there is stuff like AJAX that has been
around a long time
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879[08:00:07] <rant> and python and similar languages can do it
all.. code the server and everything in it
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884[08:01:36] <rant> the hardest part of development today is
all the choices.. even if you chose python for example you have
kline, twisted, flask, drupal.. etc..etc
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886[08:02:02] <rant> you just gotta figure out what feels right
to you and best suits the SPECIFIC task at hand
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889[08:02:34] <addkt> well, repetition. It doesn't seem
like NodeJS can perform repetitive tasks like PHP can.
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890[08:02:59] <rant> that may be so.. I am not savvy in either
so I can't comment on that
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892[08:04:23] <rant> you will find some webdevs here, but
probably most active in about 4hours or more.. but you'd
probably be better off in a speciic programming channel or general
web dev channel, as this channel is scoped to supporting technical
issues with Debian stable
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897[08:06:31] <addkt> rant, alright. I appreciate the input and
I'll look around. Thank you.
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898[08:06:43] <rant> addkt: if you don't know, you can /msg
alis help that bot can help you find channels, and you can also
visit #freenode and ask for guidance finding a channel, but
generally speaking get more to the point when you visit channels
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1004[09:13:05] <judd> No package named 'pytgon' was
found in stretch/amd64.
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1005[09:13:08] <arunpyasi> ,i python
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1006[09:13:09] <judd> Package python (python, standard) in
stretch/amd64: interactive high-level object-oriented language
(default version). Version: 2.7.13-2; Size: 150.2k; Installed: 648k;
Homepage:
replaced-url
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1055[09:43:40] <razer2> Is synaptic supposed to be able to
install a non-distro .deb package? It doesn't seem to work. I
can use apt though.
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1057[09:44:22] <Haohmaru> i've "installed" .deb
files with this gdebi or something (forgot its name)
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1058[09:44:30] <rant> synaptic or any other package manager is
suppose to work with your repositories.. installing individual deb
iles is for dpkg or gdebi
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1059[09:44:33] <pingfloyd> yeah, gdebi
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1060[09:44:38] <razer2> gdebi is old I believe and should not be
used anymore. I would use apt
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1061[09:44:39] <pingfloyd> that's the right name
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1062[09:44:39] <dodobrain> razer2, `dpkg -i foo.deb`
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1063[09:44:55] <razer2> no, I don't want to use dpkg or
gdebi. I want it to be under the control of apt.
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1064[09:45:04] <Haohmaru> hm, i used gdebi a few weeks ago :/
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1065[09:45:06] <razer2> Nothing manual that can't be managed
for removal etc.
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1067[09:45:16] <Haohmaru> it's "graphical" ..
that's why
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1068[09:45:26] <rant> razer2: you are very confused
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1069[09:45:27] <dodobrain> razer2, if you install a random
package from a .deb file how the heck is apt supposed to manage it
in the future?
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1070[09:45:29] <razer2> synaptic has an option to install
packages though. It just doesn't seem to work.
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1072[09:45:54] <rant> dpkg IS the package manager.. no matter
what you use, you're using dpkg
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1073[09:45:54] <dpkg> rant: You are person #1 to send an
unparseable request
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1074[09:46:10] * dodobrain pets dpkg
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1075[09:46:23] <pingfloyd> haha
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1076[09:46:26] * rant shakes a rolled up newspaper at dpkg
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1077[09:46:32] <razer2> Yeah, but I believe if you bypass apt and
use dpkg directly it prevents automated management and removal.
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1078[09:46:48] <Haohmaru> razer2 synaptic is a visual/graphical
program, but the important work is actually done using the
commandline tools behind the scene
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1079[09:46:51] <pingfloyd> razer2: it doesn't bring in
dependencies automatically iirc
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1080[09:46:52] <razer2> rant, I can't remove using apt?
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1082[09:47:08] <dodobrain> razer2, how do you propose to install
a .deb file using apt ?
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1083[09:47:12] <razer2> apt brings in dependances I believe.
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1085[09:47:26] <rant> razer2: apt and all the other tools are
just frontends.. if you install with gdebi or dpkg you can still
remove with apt
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1086[09:47:29] <razer2> dodobrain, I did already. apt works.
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1087[09:47:36] <rant> they all read the dpkg database
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1088[09:48:08] <rant> it doesnt matter if you use dpkg, apt-get,
apt, aptitude, synaptic, gdebi, fhahlieuhakha or whatever
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1090[09:48:28] <rant> dpkg is always going to be the package
manager and anyhing else is going to use i
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1091[09:48:28] <dpkg> rant: You are person #2 to send an
unparseable request
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1092[09:48:29] <dodobrain> whatever.. dpkg is the package manager
as rant says
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1093[09:48:39] <dodobrain> :D
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1094[09:49:02] <rant> dpkg, yinzersmite dpkg
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dahnere".
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1097[09:49:53] <Haohmaru> halp! one of my programs is chatting on
IRC and acting weird
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1098[09:49:57] <razer2> Ok, so I could tell dpkg to remove a
non-distro package by name?
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1100[09:50:33] <rant> dpkg doesnt work that way
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1101[09:50:34] <dpkg> no idea, rant
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1103[09:50:46] <rant> omfg you stupid bot
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1106[09:51:30] <rant> the package manager dpkg works on the deb
files itself, only the frontends work on the package names
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1107[09:51:58] <razer2> Ok, well I could just use apt to install
and uninstall then.
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1108[09:52:17] <rant> but anything you install from anywhere with
anyhing will all work with he other stuff as far as any given
program's features allow
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1110[09:52:37] <razer2> Synaptic has an option File -> Add
Downloaded Pakcages. Which doesn't seem to work.
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1114[09:53:08] <rant> idk most everyone uses gdebi for this or
dpkg directly if they want command line
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1116[09:53:23] <rant> gdebi will resolve package dependencies and
has a GUI
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1117[09:53:24] <Haohmaru> well, i *did* manage to install a .deb
package with gdebi
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1118[09:53:40] <razer2> And apt will resolve dependances too
right?
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1119[09:53:43] <Haohmaru> it was a bit non-smooth but not uber
broken either
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1120[09:53:45] <pingfloyd> I use either dpkg -i <pkg>
&& apt-get install -f
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1122[09:53:53] <pingfloyd> or gdebi
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1124[09:54:08] <razer2> I just did "sudo apt install
path/packagename.deb
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1126[09:54:15] <Haohmaru> sudo?
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1127[09:54:21] <pingfloyd> apt-get install -f is how you satisfy
the local pkg's dependencies
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1128[09:54:26] <Haohmaru> wut is this, ubuntu?
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1129[09:54:30] <pingfloyd> if you use gdebi
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1130[09:54:38] * annadane slams head against desk
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1131[09:54:42] <razer2> No, this is Debian.
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1132[09:54:54] <pingfloyd> Haohmaru: you realize that debian has
sudo as an option to. In the installer even.
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1133[09:55:05] <rant> sudo is not an ubuntu thing it predates
both ubuntu and debian
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1134[09:55:06] <Haohmaru> haven't seen it
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1135[09:55:21] <pingfloyd> Haohmaru: it's in the repo
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1136[09:55:24] <Haohmaru> i know, but it tends to not be
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1139[09:55:33] <razer2> You have to install sudo on Debian (if
you specify a password during install) I believe.
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1140[09:55:46] <pingfloyd> or choose to use in the installer
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1141[09:56:01] <rant> Haohmaru: if you dont set a root password
in the installer, it adds sudo and configures it for root access
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1142[09:56:03] <razer2> I don't see an option in the isntall
to install it.
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1143[09:56:11] <razer2> rant, right
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1144[09:56:31] <rant> otherwise you must install it because its
optional
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1145[09:56:33] <rant> ,i sudo
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1146[09:56:34] <judd> Package sudo (admin, optional) in
stretch/amd64: Provide limited super user privileges to specific
users. Version: 1.8.19p1-2.1; Size: 1030.1k; Installed: 3035k;
Homepage:
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1147[09:56:41] <razer2> Oh, well if apt can do everything, then I
might as well just use one program.
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1148[09:56:44] <pingfloyd> I use sudo mostly, but sometimes I use
su
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1149[09:56:58] <pingfloyd> what is wrong is 'sudo su'
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1150[09:56:59] <Haohmaru> i've been told to use "su
-l"
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1151[09:57:30] <pingfloyd> Haohmaru: 'su -' isn't
a bad idea.
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1152[09:57:40] <Haohmaru> -l specifically
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1153[09:57:47] <Haohmaru> don't know the difference *shrug*
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1154[09:58:15] <rant> it is a difference in whether or not its a
login shell, which changes which config files are read
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1155[09:58:16] <pingfloyd> they're the same thing
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1156[09:58:46] <pingfloyd> '-', '-l', and
'--login' are all the same
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1157[09:59:05] <pingfloyd> I'm just so used to using just -
because of being less keystrokes
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1158[10:00:15] <rant> pingfloyd: you don't
supercalifragilisticexpialidocious="--login" &&
echo "$supercaliragilisticexpialidocious" | xargs su ?
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1160[10:00:58] <amosbird> hi, when do I need libc-dev ?
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1182[10:09:46] <rant> amosbird: when you're building
something against libc
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1183[10:10:05] <amosbird> hmm, does it provide header files like
stdio ?
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1186[10:11:03] <Iridos> well, look yourself… install
apt-file, run apt-file update, then apt-file show
<packagename>
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1187[10:12:26] <rant> amosbird: yes, typically one installs
build-essential which is a metapackage pulling in make and other
such tools
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1189[10:13:12] <rant> iirc libc-dev is also a metapackage
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1190[10:13:18] <rant> ,i libc-dev
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1191[10:13:19] <judd> No package named 'libc-dev' was
found in stretch/amd64.
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1192[10:13:54] <rant> in any case the actual package is libc6-dev
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1201[10:18:30] <Iridos> libc6-dev
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1202[10:18:36] <Iridos> eh
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1208[10:22:21] <rustbuckett> also practice using 'apt
search'. it accepts regex searches. apt search
'^libc.-dev$' (or similar) might have been useful
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1209[10:22:32] <rustbuckett> maybe. i don't know. i'm
sleepy.
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1257[10:48:14] <apcabc> hi
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1271[10:54:51] <Mystic_Reverie> How to install an interactive
fiction reader? I cant understand tar files and dependencies etc.
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1272[10:54:54] <Mystic_Reverie> can someone help
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1274[10:55:58] <petn-randall> Mystic_Reverie: Is it a Debian
package or where are you getting it from?
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1291[11:00:37] <Mystic_Reverie> pet, im game for using anything
that works thanks
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1293[11:00:46] <Mystic_Reverie> i cant work out how ot instal
lanything eworkable
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1297[11:01:37] <petn-randall> Mystic_Reverie: I don't yet
know what piece of software you're talking about. Can you link
me?
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1301[11:03:06] <Mystic_Reverie> glulxe
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1302[11:03:20] <Mystic_Reverie> frotz
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1303[11:03:23] <Mystic_Reverie> inform
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1305[11:03:34] <Mystic_Reverie> but i dont know what versions, i
dont understand github etc
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1309[11:05:51] <bozza> hello, I rented a dedicated server and the
hard disk paritions are kinda weird
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1311[11:06:15] <babilen> judd: i gargoyle-free
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1312[11:06:16] <judd> Package gargoyle-free (games, extra) in
stretch/amd64: graphical player for Interactive Fiction games.
Version: 2011.1b-1; Size: 1504.1k; Installed: 8339k; Homepage:
replaced-url
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1313[11:06:19] <babilen> Mystic_Reverie: ^
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1316[11:07:13] <bozza> /dev/sda3 34605056 468860079 434255024
207.1G fd Linux raid autodetect
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1317[11:07:23] <bozza> ^ I have two of those hard disks that are
2TB each
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1318[11:07:30] <Mystic_Reverie> gargoyle wont ru nwell
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1319[11:07:35] <Mystic_Reverie> no options to change font and
colour, sorry
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1320[11:08:09] <bozza> they have a "linux raid
autodetect" partition that is 200GB
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1321[11:08:10] <bozza> why?
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1322[11:08:14] <babilen> Mystic_Reverie: Also look into frotz,
jzip and others that come up when you run "apt-cache search
text mode adventure" (and other search terms that come to mind)
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1323[11:08:56] <babilen> Mystic_Reverie: You didn't even
mention gargoyle before, which is why I pointed you to a program
that is capable of dealing with the kind of data you want to work
with
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1330[11:11:44] <Mystic_Reverie> gargolye works ewell, but it
doesnt have any opotions and the text is too small
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1331[11:11:59] <Mystic_Reverie> im sorry , i dont knwo apt cache
search, i have no terminal skill
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1332[11:12:12] <Mystic_Reverie> i need step by step or click to
install files
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1333[11:12:18] <Mystic_Reverie> linux is very hard
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1334[11:12:31] <babilen> It really isn't -- You are simply
not used to it
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1336[11:12:55] <babilen> You might want to read
replaced-url
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1339[11:13:45] <Mystic_Reverie> please, i really dont have time
ot reasearch that stuff., and also i was told i dont need to to use
linux
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1341[11:13:48] <Mystic_Reverie> thats why i installed it
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1342[11:13:59] <Mystic_Reverie> now if im told i have to learn
terminal, i will just go back to windows
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1343[11:14:06] <Mystic_Reverie> i have not the time or the desire
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1345[11:14:43] <babilen> I'm happy for you to use the
graphical package manager as well (synaptic)
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1347[11:15:10] <Mystic_Reverie> i donr know hpow tpo install or
run these programs though, hence why i came here
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1348[11:15:12] <babilen> Trickier to communicate what you should
do as opposed to clear commands, but that shouldn't stop you
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1349[11:15:22] <Mystic_Reverie> and people the mtell me to learn
terminal.. and we go round in circles
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1350[11:15:31] <Mystic_Reverie> i will not learn teminall. period
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1351[11:15:33] <babilen> You run it like you run any other
program (such as a web browser)
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1352[11:15:37] <Mystic_Reverie> if that snot acceptable i wil lgo
bac kto windows
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1353[11:15:40] <Mystic_Reverie> no harm done
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1355[11:16:20] <babilen> You can use whatever tool you find most
appropriate. Synaptic would be the graphical package manager that
you're looking for at the moment
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1356[11:16:41] <Mystic_Reverie> i installed inform from
syunaptic... and when i ran it nothing happened
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1357[11:16:46] <Mystic_Reverie> i need a gui :/
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1358[11:16:53] <babilen> Then install a GUI tool
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1360[11:17:00] <Mystic_Reverie> inform is a nothre text
adventiure creator/reader
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1361[11:17:12] <babilen> So .. you used synaptic before and you
have tried some of the tools I pointed out already
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1362[11:17:13] <Mystic_Reverie> i dont know how and cant find one
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1363[11:17:18] <Mystic_Reverie> thtas why im here
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1364[11:17:38] <babilen> I mentioned one .. but the onus is on
you to find the software you are looking for
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1365[11:17:49] <Mystic_Reverie> i searched for some stuff
yes..the softwaere i want i searched for
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1366[11:17:52] <Mystic_Reverie> but no luck
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1368[11:18:50] <babilen> You have to realise that you are asking
for something rather niche. Use the search functionality in the
package manager or Google and add "debian" or
"linux" or "open source" or
"graphical" to the search terms
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1373[11:19:45] <Mystic_Reverie> iv tried
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1374[11:19:47] <Mystic_Reverie> and found packages
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1375[11:19:57] <Mystic_Reverie> but hav eno idea how to instal
lthem, or if they are the right ones
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1376[11:19:58] <Mystic_Reverie> nevermind
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1377[11:20:08] <Mystic_Reverie> eveything is 'niche' in
linux.. its ridiculous
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1378[11:20:11] <Mystic_Reverie> thanks for the time
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1379[11:20:11] <petn-randall> Mystic_Reverie: Just mark them and
click install?
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1380[11:20:17] <Mystic_Reverie> i cant do it
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1381[11:20:19] <petn-randall> It's not really that
difficult.
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1382[11:20:26] <petn-randall> What's stopping you from doing
it?
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1384[11:20:41] <Mystic_Reverie> cos its never click to install
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1386[11:20:46] <Mystic_Reverie> its tsar files and dependencies
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1387[11:20:47] <blackflow> Mystic_Reverie: oh hello again. came
to troll in #debian now?
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1388[11:20:58] <Mystic_Reverie> and yes it IS difficult fo
rpeople who dont camp out on front of thier computers
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1389[11:21:05] <Mystic_Reverie> its time consuming and ridiculous
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1390[11:21:15] <Mystic_Reverie> i mnot rolling im askign for help
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1391[11:21:19] <Mystic_Reverie> how about keeping your nose out ?
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1392[11:21:20] <babilen> Mystic_Reverie: Well, good luck. If you
think that using Windows is easier and you're happy with that,
I'd recommend to use that
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1393[11:21:26] <Mystic_Reverie> yea
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1396[11:21:32] <petn-randall> !next
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1397[11:21:32] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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1398[11:21:34] <Mystic_Reverie> seems i have no choice
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1399[11:21:38] <babilen> Looks like it
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1402[11:22:04] <petn-randall> 2/10
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1403[11:22:24] <blackflow> no you're not. you're
repeating the whole "I don't wanna understand this"
dance ending with insults and ragequits, that are soon to follow
because #debian is far less forgiving to trolls.
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1404[11:22:41] <petn-randall> blackflow: What was the other
channel?
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1405[11:22:43] <Mystic_Reverie> fuk of blackflpow. we arent all
nerds., linux is just not suited for people with lives
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1407[11:22:47] <blackflow> petn-randall: ubuntu channels
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1411[11:23:01] <blackflow> here we go, insults. and now
ragequ..... oh wait, nooooo :)
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1415[11:23:36] <petn-randall> Mystic_Reverie: We don't
tolerate insulting people in here. I recommend you try your luck
somewhere else.
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1418[11:23:47] <dadada> hi
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1419[11:24:10] <dadada> if I want to suggest a package to be
included in official debian repositories, how should I go about
doing that
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1421[11:24:37] <petn-randall> Hi dadada, what piece of software
is it?
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1422[11:24:49] <dadada>
replaced-url
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1423[11:24:55] <dadada>
replaced-url
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1424[11:25:07] <dadada> there are precompiled deb packages, if
you want to test it
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1426[11:26:02] <dadada> inspite of the 1.3.3 release number the
software isn't really mature yet, but I'm assuming it will
improve a lot over time as interest picks up
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1429[11:26:40] <dadada> hi petn-randall
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1430[11:27:00] <petn-randall> dadada: You could file a RFP
(request for package) bug with the reportbug tool.
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1433[11:28:20] <petn-randall> dadada: However, if you want to get
your feet wet, you could try to package it yourself, and get it in
the Debian repository. We have #debian-mentors to get people up to
speed.
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1438[11:29:32] <dadada> petn-randall: I'm not really asking
for myself, there is a user who filed an issue about it
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1442[11:30:42] <petn-randall> dadada: I see, so you're the
developer of browsh?
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1447[11:31:33] <dadada> petn-randall: no, I'm just helping
with answering issues
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1449[11:31:46] <dadada> petn-randall: I did betatesting and gave
some advice
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1452[11:33:20] <dadada> browsh needs firefox 57+ , is that
dependency fulfilled on the latest version of debian?
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1461[11:40:07] <petn-randall> ,v firefox-esr
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1462[11:40:08] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 --
jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; stretch:
52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie:
52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1;
stretch-proposed-updates: 52.8.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security:
52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.9.0esr-1; sid: 52.9.0esr-1;
experimental: 60.1.0esr-1
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1465[11:40:48] <petn-randall> dadada: It's currently 52, but
when support runs out, stretch will get the current ESR, 60.
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1466[11:41:01] <dadada> when will that be?
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1471[11:42:10] <petn-randall> dadada: According to Mozilla, it
runs out September 5 this year. So some time after that 60 will be
uploaded to stretch.
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1474[11:42:31] <dadada> ok, that's soon enough, thank you
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1475[11:42:57] <BlackDalek> Hi, I am having trouble with getting
USB audio device to work in Debian 9. I just moved from Ubuntu, so
can't quite find my way around the system yet.
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1481[11:44:54] <BlackDalek> USB audio device is detected as
"HP-USB300 5.1 headset"(same thing under Ubuntu). In
Debian 9, I can set the volume at 100% or higher (distorted), but
anything 99% or lower causes silence.
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1483[11:45:14] <BlackDalek> How do I fix this?
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1493[11:49:25] <petn-randall> blackflow: Silence? That's a
really peculiar bug.
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1496[11:51:16] <blackflow> petn-randall: hrm?
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1497[11:51:43] <petn-randall> blackflow: So, at 100% it's
loud and distorted, and you pull it one tick down to 99%, and
it's completely silent?
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1498[11:51:48] <blackflow> oh, nick mistab. BlackDalek ^^^
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1499[11:51:58] <petn-randall> Hahaha
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1501[11:52:22] <petn-randall> Indeed, this was a mis-tab. It was
mean for BlackDalek
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1504[11:53:00] <BlackDalek> blockflaw, my nick caused you trouble
in #ubuntu channel the other day too :P
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1505[11:53:11] <blockflaw> yah :)
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1507[11:53:24] <BlackDalek> petn-randall, yes, that is correct
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1509[11:53:42] <petn-randall> You two now have to have a thumb
fight over the "black" prefix.
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1517[11:56:51] <bozza> should I be using root to connect to my
debian server?
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1518[11:56:53] <petn-randall> BlackDalek: My first task would be
to check the kernel logs for any funky messages about that device.
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1521[11:57:01] <petn-randall> bozza: Depends on what you want to
do.
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1522[11:57:25] <bozza> petn-randall: I just purchased a server
and I only have a root account
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1523[11:58:03] <bozza> seems a little crazy? Does debian run
through the root user by default?
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1526[11:59:25] <bozza> petn-randall: I am used to ubuntu running
as a user and only using root through sudo
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1527[11:59:38] <BlackDalek> petn-randall google search brings up
many results for bug reports for similar problem but o solutions.
Thing is, it was sort of working in Ubuntu because I could leave the
device's "main" volume set at 100% then change the
volume indepentently within the application... now I can't seem
to have this level of control in Debian... :( if I adjust the volume
in application, it changes the main volume instead. Do you follow
what I mean
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1528[11:59:39] <BlackDalek> by application volume control and
main volume control?
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1536[12:01:21] <petn-randall> bozza: It wouldn't call either
approach crazy. But Debian doesn't run through root by default.
Upon installation you usually create an unprivileged user.
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1538[12:01:31] <BlackDalek> petn-randall, the logs are full of
crazy messages about the device but I went down that avenue with
Ubuntu too and never got any kind of solution. The only fix I could
come up with was to control the volume through app instead of main
volume. I just want to be able to do the same thing in Debian
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1541[12:01:51] <bozza> petn-randall: I will do it manually.. The
OS was installed by a server config of this provider
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1546[12:02:59] <BlackDalek> petn-randall, the easiest solution
would be to buy a more compatible USB sound card, but for now this
thing is all I got to work with.
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1554[12:05:15] <petn-randall> BlackDalek: You should be able to
do the same with pavucontrol, or anything else.
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1557[12:06:07] <BlackDalek> The application I want to be able to
use to control the volume is Kodi. For some reason it only seems to
control the main volume (causing silence below 99%) instead of the
application volume.
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1559[12:06:30] <petn-randall> BlackDalek: I see. Are you using
pavucontrol or something else?
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1560[12:07:19] <BlackDalek> petn-randall, I'm not sure. I
only just installed debian today.
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1561[12:08:20] <BlackDalek> petn-randall, if I type pavucontrol
it says command not found
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1563[12:09:30] <petn-randall> BlackDalek: Ok, what are you then
using to change the volume?
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1564[12:09:53] <petn-randall> (like, is it a widget or something
else?)
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1569[12:10:52] <BlackDalek> petn-randall, hold
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1570[12:10:58] <BlackDalek> pet---
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1572[12:11:15] <BlackDalek> petn-randall, sorry got 1 year old
over keyboard
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1584[12:17:53] <BlackDalek> petn-randall, it looks like this...
replaced-url
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1586[12:19:06] <BlackDalek> petn-randall, or this...
replaced-url
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1589[12:20:09] <BlackDalek> petn-randall, anything setting below
that is silent. But my main problem is I can't make Kodi make
application level volume adjustment within the app.
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1592[12:21:37] <babilen> BlackDalek: Are you sure that output
profile (7.1) is correct?
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1593[12:21:57] <babilen> Do you have a 7.1 setup?
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1594[12:22:13] <BlackDalek> u-st* /petn-randall, I can live with
the fact that adjusting the "main" overall OS volume is
impossible with this device. I just can't seem to get any
independent app volume control
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1599[12:23:11] <babilen> Can't you adjust per-application
settings in the "Application" tab?
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1601[12:23:32] <BlackDalek> babilen, that's another odd
quirk. The device is called 5.1 in description but has only ever
worked as 7.1 since I've had it. Also Debian gives no other
configuration option for the device.
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1606[12:24:34] <babilen> Sort of sounds (ba-dum-tsh) like a
particular problem concerning that device
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1607[12:24:36] <BlackDalek> babilen, no, because when kodi is
running full screen I have to access to the sound settings tabs
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1608[12:24:54] <BlackDalek> babilen, no, because when kodi is
running full screen I have NO access to the sound settings tabs
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1610[12:25:38] <babilen> Kodi presumably offers its own volume
control though? It's expected that global volume control keys
control system volume
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1612[12:26:05] <BlackDalek> bablien, and beside I
"should" be able to control "application" volume
within Kodi, but for some reason I've not bee able to fathom, I
can't
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1613[12:26:27] <babilen> "cat /proc/asound/cards" might
be of interest. I'd investigate how that device is supported by
Linux and which kernel/alsa version you need
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1615[12:27:04] <babilen> I'm also not *too* knowledgable
about anything sound, but that's probably the angle I'd
use for attacking this problem
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1616[12:27:29] <babilen> Can you reproduce it on a different
device (e.g. sound output on your mainboard) ?
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1619[12:28:20] <babilen> I'm also more used to tools such as
pavucontrol or paprefs -- Maybe check what they are offering?
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1621[12:28:36] <babilen> Also check "alsamixer" and
settings there
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1624[12:29:21] <BlackDalek> babilen, no. The weird volume issue
is exclusive to this particular device. Alsamixer controls sort of
work. It lets me adjust main volume downward but not up.
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1630[12:30:32] <babilen> So this isn't a general issue that
concerns every device, but rather just a specific one
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1632[12:30:58] <babilen> Look into alsa/linux support for that
device. Maybe a newer kernel or alsa stack helps?
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1633[12:31:44] <BlackDalek> babilen, yes. Volume control for the
internal audio device functions correctly. (This is a 2006 2nd gen
Mac Mini by the way).
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1637[12:34:32] <BlackDalek> babilen, given that this problem with
this device has existed for several kernels with no solution,
it's doubtful updating to a newer kernel will provide any
improvement.
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1638[12:34:48] <babilen> Well, that's great. It means that
you only have to figure out what is needed for that headset. Maybe
look into the "cat /proc/asound/cards" output, ask #alsa
and try newer kernels
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1640[12:35:07] <babilen> Or get a different device that's
supported by Linux
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1641[12:35:18] <babilen> Or write the missing alsa support
yourself
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1643[12:36:19] <babilen> I think the best way is to figure out
the exact name/identifier for that device, investigate how/what
supports it in Linux, see if that support has become more
comprehensive in newer version (if so: try newer version) and if
not: figure out what needs to get done
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1644[12:36:37] <babilen> For that you probably need the help of
alsa/sound people rather than Debian people
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1645[12:37:21] <BlackDalek> babilen, ultimately I will be
replacing the device. Just seeing if there was an simple fix to get
it working tonight. Turned out to be more trouble than it's
worth.
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1651[12:39:00] <babilen> I'm sorry that I can't offer
better advice, but I would - at least - have to see what ALSA thinks
of it (e.g. delve into /proc/alsa/*)
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1653[12:39:21] <babilen> Furthermore I think that #alsa is better
equipped to help with this
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1664[12:44:58] <bozza> where is the default place in debian to
mount harddisk to in fstab?
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1666[12:45:15] <bozza> /mnt/data?
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1671[12:48:01] <petn-randall> bozza: There's no default.
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1673[12:48:33] <petn-randall> bozza: But you can create any
directory under /mnt/ and mount it there if you want.
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1674[12:48:46] <bozza> cool! thanks! :)
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1680[12:51:22] <babilen> You could even mount it to
/mnt/bozza/happyhappyjoyjoy
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1681[12:51:47] <babilen> Or /media/bozza/foobar
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1683[12:51:53] <babilen> Endless opportunities
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1698[12:56:38] <fpat> hello. is there a cli version of
replaced-url
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1703[12:58:45] <petn-randall> fpat: You can probably use it with
links, then it's CLI. :)
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1704[12:58:55] <fpat> heh
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1720[13:06:40] <bozza> babilen: happyhappyjoyjoy :) haha
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1721[13:06:46] <bozza> mounted it to /mnt/bla
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1722[13:07:03] <bozza> /media is also nice.. but /mnt it is
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1739[13:13:19] <BlackDalek> no one is active in #alsa channel.
Can't get help there tonight unfortunately. Back to the
impossible to solve volume control issue.... what could be the
possible reason why the Ubuntu version of Kodi adjusts the
application volume but the Debian version of Kodi adjusts the main
global volume?
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1743[13:14:57] <babilen> BlackDalek: It would help if you were to
answer the questions you're being asked in #alsa (and not every
channel is as active as #debian)
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1744[13:15:04] <babilen> lunsj!
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1746[13:15:32] <Haohmaru> also.. "tonight" ...
it's noon here
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1747[13:16:32] <BlackDalek> babilen, when I last looked at the
#alsa channel there were no question or activity for anyone. Someone
has just asked the first question which I shall attend to now.
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1752[13:18:13] <aias> Hi. I installed MySQL on Debian 9 but
can't reset the root password. When logging in from the
terminal as root it lets me in with any password. When logging in
from a user account (-u root) it denies all passwords. I've
tried updating the mysql.user password, tried using mysqladmin to
reset the password, ran mysql_secure_installation and changed the
password. I still can't login... Any ideas?
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1754[13:18:51] <babilen> Isn't it using socket activation?
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1755[13:18:59] <babilen> Anyway .. off for lunch now
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1813[13:55:23] <stoiss> Hm im having a problem with debian. I can
see the network card in lspci but it doesnt show up under ifconfig
or iwconfig. i can add a wireless network in my network manager UI
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1818[13:58:22] <BlackDalek> Does any of the recently joined users
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1822[14:00:42] <jollyjester> hello everyone!
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1823[14:00:59] <Sniffer101> Hello Jester!
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1824[14:01:40] <jollyjester> does anyone know how to use emacs?
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1826[14:02:10] <TvL2386> o/
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1827[14:02:14] <TvL2386> jollyjester: no
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1829[14:02:30] <jollyjester> i'm currently trying to learn
emacs and i would like someone to be my "tutor"
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1830[14:03:04] <TvL2386> check youtube :)
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1831[14:03:09] <TvL2386> there are a few tutorials
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1832[14:03:34] <jollyjester> i know that but i would like someone
that i can ask questions to and teach me like a teacher
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1834[14:03:48] <jollyjester> youtube videos aren't really
that useful compared to someone personally teaching you
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1836[14:05:22] <fiet> jollyjester: Try #emacs-beginner
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1837[14:05:31] <jollyjester> ok
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1839[14:05:54] <jollyjester> fiet, it's empty...
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1840[14:06:09] <Sniffer101> I am the coder of the nation!
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1841[14:06:19] <Sniffer101> I can code the best code in the whole
of the IRC!
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1842[14:06:20] <fiet> jollyjester: Sorry, I meant to say
#emacs-beginners. Plural.
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1843[14:07:09] <jollyjester> fiet, ok
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1864[14:19:19] <babilen> jollyjester: I'd recommend to start
with "/join #emacs"
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1872[14:20:21] <babilen> Ah .. there's a beginner channel
now. In the end: I'd recommend to follow the built-in tutorial
and to read the "Mastering Emacs" book maybe
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1887[14:27:11] <annadane> which emacs? if you're using the
one in stretch the emacs24-common-non-dfsg and
emacs25-common-non-dfsg packages will install the manuals and suc
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1889[14:27:40] <annadane> they're in non-free
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1890[14:28:38] <annadane> s/suc/such
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1891[14:29:28] <annadane> all the documentation should also be on
gnu's website
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1897[14:31:45] <annadane> (as well as guides for elisp)
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standby my laptop turns the screen on and off for 5 times like every
second. Where can i look why it does that?
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1918[14:40:57] <Satou> Hello! A friend of mine is experiencing
some troubles with testing, he's getting a lot of collisions
shown up on ifconfig and web pages are taking forever to load, does
anyone else experience this on testing?
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1920[14:41:18] <annadane> !debian-next
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1921[14:41:18] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
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1922[14:41:22] <annadane> Satou, ^
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1925[14:41:31] <Satou> thanks annadane, sorry.
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1927[14:41:50] <Satou> it would be nice if someone could invite
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1928[14:42:01] <annadane> Satou, pay close attention to the
factoid
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1929[14:42:06] <annadane> (oftc, not freenode)
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1947[14:47:26] <JJthomas> Could someone help me debug an audio
issue? I've posted a bunch of info:
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1959[14:51:34] <ArlequInOut> JJthomas, maybe journalctl can give
you more information
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1970[14:56:29] <hahainternet> JJthomas: install
'pavucontrol', make sure that when you believe you're
playing music it's shownig up in pulseaudio and has the correct
destination set, do 'alsamixer', hit f6 and go to your
sound card, make sure outputs have volume and are not muted
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1971[14:57:04] <hahainternet> it sounds like your default pulse
sink is not set to the correct sound card to me
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1972[14:57:06] <JJthomas> Here is my journalctl
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1976[14:58:23] <hahainternet> you should see something like this,
with a dancing blue bar at the bottom, except pointed at a real
sound card:
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1981[14:59:13] <JJthomas> hahainternet: the blue bar is dancing,
correct outputs are chosen :(
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1984[14:59:35] <hahainternet> JJthomas: run alsamixer in a
terminal, hit f6, select your sound card
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1985[14:59:43] <hahainternet> see if any of the outputs have MM
instead of OO
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1987[15:00:13] <hahainternet> should look like this:
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1988[15:00:15] <JJthomas> one thing that is odd, in pavucontrol,
it shows line out unplugged, and that was what I was using in the
past (and it is plugged in)
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1989[15:00:29] <JJthomas> it also shows a headphones output,
tried both and there is still no sound
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1990[15:00:34] <hahainternet> jack detection can be odd, and i
personally don't use an internal sound card so i can't
really help there
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1993[15:00:59] <hahainternet> but if pulse is listing your card
and there's a dancing bar, that means the pulse portion is
working fine, you might want to go to 'output devices' in
pavucontrol, make sure the output is turned up
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1994[15:01:08] <hahainternet> after that it's going to be
alsa settings or mixer values
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1995[15:01:27] <hahainternet> my particular interface i can route
every audio channel individually, i can't predict what the
options will be on yours
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2001[15:03:22] <JJthomas> honestly, i've tried everything
within the gui of pavucontrol and alsamixer (i spent 9 hrs
yesterday). im aware to make sure channels are not muted, spdif
shoudl be muted in some circumstances to get anolog to work, etc
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2002[15:04:05] <hahainternet> JJthomas: you said before that
you've killed pulseaudio and used vlc to talk to the sound card
directly yes?
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2003[15:04:17] <hahainternet> and you were certain you had the
right alsa device (from aplay -l and -L ?)
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2004[15:04:18] <JJthomas> i did not kill pulseaudio when i tried
to do that :s
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2007[15:04:55] <JJthomas> i did set vlc to use alsa and chose the
correct device, yes i'm quite certain. it shows 2 outputs from
the onboard audio, analog and digital
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2008[15:05:01] <JJthomas> ive been trying to use the analog
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2015[15:06:06] <hahainternet> JJthomas: you should kill pulse at
the same to avoid any contention, it sounds like there's been
some regression, although snd_hda_intel is not rare
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2017[15:06:40] <hahainternet> i'm going to assume that its
auto config w/ca0132 is incorrect
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2018[15:07:08] <hahainternet> JJthomas: it is the intel card
right? or are you trying to do HDMI out?
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2019[15:07:52] <hahainternet> i see there's a couple of
consistent issues along the lines of what you mentioned:
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2020[15:08:00] <hahainternet> but not related to spdif, instead
headphone autodetection
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2021[15:09:36] <hahainternet> right, apparently if this is an
alienware built in, they don't have good databases for pin
configurations, but it would be odd to change all of a sudden
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2022[15:09:57] <hahainternet> oh interesting actually
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2023[15:10:01] <hahainternet> 4.18 introduced a new patch
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2024[15:10:10] <hahainternet> which enables things like
SoundBlaster Zx'
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2025[15:10:22] <hahainternet> way newer than what JJthomas is on
anyway
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2028[15:11:00] <JJthomas> i'm taking bwl123's advice
from his reply, by removing the dedicated audio and focus on getting
the onboard to work again
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2030[15:11:13] <JJthomas> do you think upgrading the kernel may
help?
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2031[15:11:24] <Raybih> , nontrinitarian denominations comprise a
minority of modern Christianity.
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2032[15:11:48] <hahainternet> JJthomas: it's hard to tell, i
don't know which is your dedicated and which is onboard etc
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2035[15:12:42] <JJthomas> okay sorry, the realtek is onboard,
card 0, and device 0 for analog
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2036[15:12:50] <JJthomas> which is what im trying to get working
again
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2040[15:13:30] <JJthomas> im happy to reinstall again, tempted to
try 9.4 again but then I will be in the same situation in the future
when I upgrade :/
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2045[15:15:58] <hahainternet> JJthomas: it looks like the realtek
might be better supported, it should be as simple as booting,
logging in as root or whatever so pulse doesn't start
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2046[15:16:07] <hahainternet> and playing some audio into it with
whatever you choose
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2047[15:16:16] <hahainternet> if that one doesn't work too,
it sounds like something deeper is broken
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2051[15:18:01] <JJthomas> okay - i will give that a shot and be
back soon. thank you for your help thus far!
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2075[15:28:53] <JJthomas> hahainternet: absolutely no luck :(
logged in as root, made sure alsamixer settings were okay, and tried
to do speaker-test and there was no sound
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2080[15:29:43] <hahainternet> JJthomas: did you pass any
parameters to speaker-test to make sure it was using that card
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2081[15:29:48] <hahainternet> i can't remember what it shows
by default
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2082[15:30:10] <hahainternet> it could easily be defaulting to
hdmi out
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2083[15:30:27] <JJthomas> yes i ran, speaker-test --device
plughw:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
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2084[15:30:37] <JJthomas> which would be onboard sound, analog
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2085[15:30:40] <hahainternet> but your card is a realtek, not an
intel?
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2086[15:30:47] <hahainternet> oh i suppose it's
hda_intel_realtek isn't it
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2088[15:30:52] <JJthomas> yup ^
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2089[15:30:54] <hahainternet> or some craziness
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2091[15:31:23] <hahainternet> JJthomas: honestly then i am a
little lost at the next step of debugging, if everything has come up
correctly and the card appears correctly
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2092[15:31:28] <hahainternet> the channels arne't muted but
you still get nothing out
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2093[15:31:37] <hahainternet> i am afraid that is probably as far
as i can help you debug
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2094[15:31:50] <hahainternet> it's a particularly odd one
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2095[15:32:10] <JJthomas> okay well i really appreciate your help
and effort.
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2096[15:32:25] <hahainternet> i'm really confused by this
behaviour
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2097[15:32:31] <hahainternet> there must be something obvious
that's been missed
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2102[15:33:38] <hahainternet> a few mentions on google of audio
not working with them
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2106[15:34:08] <JJthomas> im getting so much weird behavior, now
after a fresh boot, i tried to play vlc through the output and it
says its busy
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2108[15:34:18] <hahainternet> JJthomas: that's normal if
pulse has started or similar
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2109[15:34:18] <JJthomas> device or resource busy
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2110[15:34:21] <JJthomas> ah ok
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2111[15:34:22] <hahainternet> they occupy the card
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2113[15:34:26] <hahainternet> and then they do software mixing
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2114[15:34:48] <hahainternet> interestingly, there's some
gpio options
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2116[15:35:00] <hahainternet> not sure how to set those in linux
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2119[15:35:37] <JJthomas> hmm ill check it out. i'm going to
try a fresh install with only alsa and onboard and update my forum
post
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2122[15:35:51] <JJthomas> so its less confusing for people to
help me, thank you very much man
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2128[15:36:20] <hahainternet> JJthomas: roger
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2129[15:36:22] <hahainternet> JJthomas: best of luck
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2130[15:36:26] <JJthomas> cheers
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2201[16:09:57] <han-solo> Hello
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2203[16:10:16] <han-solo> Is there any way to see which processes
are using a kernel module ?
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2211[16:13:34] <petn-randall> han-solo: the kernel tends to use
kernel modules, not any userland processes.
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2212[16:13:40] <petn-randall> han-solo: What are you trying to
achieve?
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2230[16:21:56] <han-solo> petn-randall: I have this module, and
some processes maybe using it, and when i try to rmmod, it is busy
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2232[16:22:21] <han-solo> So i was thinking a right way to find
th processes and stop it, and remove the module
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2233[16:22:24] <greycat> What module, and why are you trying to
rmmod it?
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2235[16:23:27] <han-solo> pf_ring
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2237[16:23:58] <greycat> not in the standard stretch kernel,
that's for sure...
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2239[16:24:01] <han-solo> how do one associate a module with a
process ? Other than by checking all the process that this module
may likely use :/
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2242[16:24:25] <han-solo> greycat: Yeah, it's a third party
one. Quite good, i must say :)
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2243[16:25:09] <greycat> "PF_RING™ is a new type of
network socket that dramatically improves the packet capture
speed..." so why are you trying to remove it?
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2244[16:25:13] <petn-randall> han-solo: If you can't unload
it, it's likely a bug. If it doesn't unload even after
restart, I'd file a bug against the upstream project.
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2245[16:25:48] <greycat> If it's related to networks and
packet capturing, then the obvious userspace process that would be
"using" it would be tcpdump or wireshark or something
similar.
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2246[16:25:52] <han-solo> greycat: I want to stop it, and install
a new one, at times :), systemctl may likely error out in some cases
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2251[16:27:27] <greycat> "PF_RING™ is polling packets
from NICs by means of Linux NAPI. This means that NAPI copies
packets from the NIC to the PF_RING™ circular buffer, and then
the userland application reads packets from ring. In this scenario,
there are two pollers, both the application and NAPI"
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2252[16:27:35] <han-solo> greycat: tcpdump and wireshark uses
libpcap, i think. The users can use this pf_ring API, to write
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2254[16:28:08] <han-solo> petn-randall: unload as in ? rmmod -f ?
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2256[16:28:40] <petn-randall> han-solo: Unload as in 'rmmod
pf_ring'.
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2258[16:29:13] <petn-randall> han-solo: `rmmod -f` is unsafe,
taints your kernel, and may kill your cat.
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2261[16:30:30] <han-solo> petn-randall: Yeah, i want a gracefull
unload as well
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2263[16:31:18] <han-solo> petn-randall: Okay, i think, maybe i
should check the latest nightly build, and see if it unloads
gracefully
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2264[16:31:27] <han-solo> otherwise raise a bug
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2267[16:32:17] <greycat>
replaced-url
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2269[16:33:42] <han-solo> greycat: Damn, i forgot i can get the
stats to check the processes
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2273[16:34:23] <han-solo> greycat: but, just out of curiosity,
should there be a way to check which all processes are using a
module ?
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2275[16:35:04] <greycat> han-solo: it's like asking
who's breathing the oxygen in the room
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2277[16:35:11] <han-solo> :)
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2279[16:36:07] <greycat> At any given nanosecond, a process may
be issuing a system call that "uses" some of the code that
has been loaded by this module, but then it stops when the syscall
ends, or even before the syscall ends.
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2280[16:36:08] <blockflaw> well, rmmod it and see which process
will fail or segfault :)
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2281[16:36:37] <greycat> blockflaw: other modules that
"depend" on it are preventing it from being removed
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2282[16:36:39] <han-solo> greycat: Yeah
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2283[16:37:07] <greycat>
replaced-url
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2284[16:37:10] <blockflaw> greycat: yeah it's not as
straightforward as that, but it's one way.
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2285[16:37:15] <greycat> ... shit.
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2286[16:37:45] <blockflaw> I see.
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2288[16:37:48] <greycat> how in the hell did that even happen
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2289[16:37:48] <han-solo> greycat: ?
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2292[16:38:14] <greycat> oh, page up is next to home... maybe I
fat-fingered the home key
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2293[16:38:21] <blockflaw> greycat: latop, you palm pressed on
the touchpad a split second before ctrlshiftv and it moved the
cursor at the beginning? :)
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2295[16:38:32] <greycat> Not a laptop.
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2418[17:43:11] <lilith93> hi, I want to execute a script under
Debian but it asks me for a sudo password after some steps. I only
have a root (su) password. Is it save to execute the whole script as
root (su)?
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2419[17:43:41] <greycat> Depends on the script. In general, no,
you'd need to rewrite parts of it.
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2420[17:43:43] <lilith93> It's a programm installation
script
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2421[17:44:06] <lilith93> ok
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2423[17:44:35] <lilith93> What's the common solution then?
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2424[17:44:37] <lilith93> thanks
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2425[17:44:51] <greycat> but if you're actually being
prompted by sudo, rather than getting "sudo: command not
found", that means sudo is installed
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2428[17:45:18] <greycat> shouldn't be hard to add yourself
to the sudo group (temporarily or permanently) so you can run the
thing
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2430[17:45:36] <lilith93> sudo seems to be installed
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2435[17:47:31] <lilith93> ok, seems to be explained here:
replaced-url
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2436[17:47:45] <han-solo> i don't have sudo :)
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2437[17:48:04] <greycat> It's not installed by default
unless you enter a blank root password during the install.
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2438[17:48:30] <han-solo> i don't have much liking to sudo
:)
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2445[17:52:52] <BCMM> lilith93: have you looked to see if
there's a more civilised way of installing the program? like a
debian package or something?
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2448[17:53:46] <lilith93> BCMM: I could wait until I get feedback
from the dev. It's experimental... Maybe he can implement a
solution quickly
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2451[17:54:24] <greycat> If you trust the existing install
script, just add yourself to the sudo group, "exec su -
$LOGNAME" to pick up the new group, and run it.
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2452[17:54:41] <lilith93> greycat: It should be save, yes
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2455[17:55:44] <lilith93> greycat: "exec su - $marco"
in the terminal?
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2456[17:55:53] <lilith93> marco is my username
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2458[17:55:59] <greycat> $LOGNAME or marco, not $marco
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2460[17:56:38] <lilith93> ok , what about "sudo adduser
foo" from the the wiki?
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2462[17:56:52] <greycat> I don't know how much hand-holding
you require.
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2463[17:57:13] <greycat> "adduser marco sudo" as root
to add yourself to the sudo group
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2465[17:57:33] <lilith93> ok, this I can try ...
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2467[17:58:29] <lilith93> now it told me that I'm in rout
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2468[17:58:48] <lilith93> when I type group I "sudo is not
listed though
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2469[17:58:55] <greycat> *sigh*
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2471[17:59:22] <babilen> ""exec su - $LOGNAME" to
pick up the new group, and run it."
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2472[17:59:23] <greycat> The intent was that you would perform
the following steps, in order: 1) su 2) adduser marco sudo 3) exit
4) exec su - marco 5) ./the_installer
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2473[17:59:46] <greycat> So now I know how much hand-holding was
needed: all of it.
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2474[17:59:55] <lilith93> yes :)
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2475[18:00:02] <lilith93> I should mention it before
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2482[18:01:59] <lilith93> that worked
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2483[18:02:01] <lilith93> thanks
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2485[18:02:26] <lilith93> Is it save to leave me in the sudo
group or should I take it out again?
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2487[18:02:47] <greycat> The next time you log completely out and
back in, you'll be in the sudo group in every process. For now,
you're only in the sudo group in that ONE terminal where you
did the su.
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2489[18:03:02] <greycat> It's safe if you trust yourself.
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2491[18:03:32] <ardualabs> I know I don't. :P
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2494[18:04:11] <greycat> I'd say the majority of Debian
users allow themselves sudo access, if they're the ones who
actually installed Debian.
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2495[18:04:15] <greycat> Just a guess.
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2503[18:08:44] <blockflaw> if anything, sudo should be more
secure because it doens't require root's pass and sudoers
file can limit exactly what's invoked through sudo.
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2505[18:09:18] <greycat> It's a safe bet lilith93 will not
be editing the sudoers file.
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2506[18:09:45] <lilith93> what the opposite to adduser?
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2507[18:10:07] <greycat> Do you mean the part about removing your
group membership? Personally I would edit the group file by hand.
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2510[18:10:28] <lilith93> greycat: yes
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2511[18:10:32] <greycat> Or, well, I would just leave myself in
the sudo group. Really. But if you WANTED to remove yourself from
that group for some reason....
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2513[18:10:55] <lilith93> just to know how to do it
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2515[18:11:49] <foul_owl> What's the canonical tool for
failing over a floating ip? keepalived? or something else?
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2517[18:11:59] <greycat> Edit the file /etc/group using your
favorite text editor as root, or through the "vigr"
command which will invoke an editor that it thinks you want to use,
whether that's what you want or not. Then find the sudo line,
find the part with marco, and ... edit it.
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2518[18:12:05] <foul_owl> Basically just trying to create a HA
ssh bastion server
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2520[18:12:26] <foul_owl> So literally all that has to happen is
have the IP failover if either server goes down
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2522[18:12:58] <foul_owl> I suppose maybe I could use haproxy to
have a pool of server, but two is probably fine for my needs
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2523[18:13:25] <lilith93> greycat: ok thanks
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2525[18:14:09] <foul_owl> Or keepalived might keep a pool also
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2567[18:29:00] <lilith93> again me ... after adding me into the
sudo group synaptic is not accepting the root password anymore, I
have to type in the sudo password
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2570[18:29:15] <lilith93> Is that normal?
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2573[18:30:38] <razer2> I think I found a bug in Synaptic. I
typed "reportbug" in the terminal. It is asking for my
real name. Does everybody use that? Will it be public somewhere?
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2574[18:31:05] <razer2> synaptic File -> Add Download Packge
doesn't seem to work. Can somebody check?
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2576[18:31:19] <annadane> it asks for the name you want to file
the bug under
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2578[18:31:27] <annadane> it can literally be any nonsense made
up thing
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2579[18:31:37] <annadane> but it will be visible so if you
don't want it publically seen ...
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2581[18:32:01] <razer2> annadane, ok. Can you check if Synaptic
File -> Add Downloaded Package works for you with a downloaded
package you got from the web?
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2582[18:32:28] <themill> razer2: bugs are publicly filed, just as
reportbug says
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2583[18:32:47] <razer2> ok. Could you guys try Synaptic and see
before I file this?
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2584[18:33:02] <greycat> nobody uses synaptic; that's why it
has so many bugs
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2585[18:33:13] <razer2> greycat, Ah, that is pretty crazy.
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2587[18:33:21] <annadane> synaptic kills my synapses
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2588[18:33:47] <razer2> greycat, Why not just remove it until it
is ready? Can you use filtering commands on apt to do everything
synaptic does?
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2590[18:34:15] <razer2> Like, list by category, I also wonder if
I can just list non-distro packaages that are installed?
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2592[18:34:32] <razer2> Or, what about aptitude?
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2593[18:34:58] <razer2> This seems to be the downside of open
source software.
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2594[18:35:23] <razer2> Its just like anarchy.
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2595[18:35:57] * annadane flips a car.
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2596[18:37:08] <razer2> Do you know if many people use aptitiude?
Or just apt?
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2599[18:37:25] <annadane> in all seriousness debian stable is not
promised to be bug free
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2600[18:37:27] <greycat> ,popcon aptitude
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2601[18:37:28] <judd> Popcon data for aptitude: inst: 127204,
vote: 22921, old: 100377, recent: 3830, nofiles: 76
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2602[18:37:31] <annadane> the maintainers try their best
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2604[18:37:54] <greycat> ,popcon synaptic
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2605[18:37:55] <judd> Popcon data for synaptic: inst: 84786,
vote: 11970, old: 61656, recent: 11110, nofiles: 50
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2606[18:38:03] <razer2> I guess. If that feature really
doesn't work it seems crazy to have it as a menu option until
the feature becomes available.
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2607[18:38:03] <annadane> you just get *less* bugs and less
*destructive* bugs compared to say, sid
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2609[18:38:30] <razer2> Unless you are just trying to torture
people.
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2610[18:39:30] <greycat> "synaptic creates a .gpg file that
breaks apt" was a pretty fun bug
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2612[18:39:32] <razer2> Maybe I'm just doing something wrong
and it isn't intuitive. If somebody could reporoduce the issue
that would help.
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2616[18:40:20] <razer2> Not being intuitive is sort of a bug, but
not as bad.
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2629[18:43:14] <razer2> Quality control issues just drive me
crazy. I don't like releasing features or software that
doesn't work.
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2630[18:43:41] <razer2> It is like a total violation of software
and the user.
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2634[18:44:51] <razer2> The snap for Spotify doesn't run on
Debian. Anyone else had issues with snaps?
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2635[18:45:03] <rant> you can have a full refund
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2636[18:45:18] <razer2> You get what you pay for.
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2637[18:45:42] <blackflow> razer2: the issues I had was that it
didn't automatically create a nice .desktop or launcher, like
on ubuntu. had to put stuff it in the path manually.
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2638[18:45:47] <blackflow> otherwise it worked.
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2640[18:46:00] <annadane> anyway let me try the synaptic thing in
a VM
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2641[18:46:06] <annadane> i don't really feel like
installing it on my main system
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2644[18:48:21] <razer2> ah, well it not being installed by
default is a positive. I must have installed it I guess.
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2645[18:48:45] <razer2> Maybe a way to mark software beta in the
stable release would be helpful.
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2646[18:48:47] <greycat> It probably gets dragged in by some
desktop environments.
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2651[18:50:01] <annadane> "aptitude why synaptic"
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2656[18:52:45] <annadane> so uh... ok, steps to reproduce? start
synaptic as root and add download package?
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2657[18:52:56] <annadane> also, what are you actually trying to
install, i hope not random packages from the internet
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2659[18:53:20] <razer2> annadane, Yes a non-depository package.
Why?
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2660[18:53:27] <annadane> !frankendebian
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2661[18:53:27] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about
<reinstall>
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2662[18:53:27] <razer2> It is Discord.
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2664[18:53:52] <annadane> i mean discord has a tar available, you
don't need to give it full access to your machine
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2666[18:54:42] <razer2> Well, that is what I did with Firefox. I
just used the tar, but then I got convinced .deb was better.
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2668[18:54:57] <annadane> yeah, it isn't
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2670[18:55:43] <razer2> That Firefox was buggy too from Mozilla
so I switched by to the Debian Distribution version.
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2671[18:57:07] <annadane> firefox-esr
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2672[18:57:11] <razer2> .deb does automatically integrate with
the interface as far as finding the program. I'm not sure on
how to integrate executables with the desktop or search.
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2673[18:57:14] <annadane> i hope
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2674[18:57:31] <razer2> Yeah 52.9.0 ESR
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2675[18:57:59] <razer2> I tried the latest 60 Quantum ESR from
Mozilla and things were buggy
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2678[18:58:21] <razer2> At least I think it was related to the
version. I had trouble scrolling not working.
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2679[18:58:21] <blackflow> don't blame the fox, works
superbly well here.
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2681[18:58:45] <razer2> You run the latest Firefox tar from
Mozilla?
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2683[18:59:32] <blackflow> no, sid's FF
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2685[18:59:45] <razer2> blackflow, oh that might be better
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2686[18:59:49] <shdeuce> Jello! Do seperate partitions provide an
extra layer of security? What about btrfs subvolumes?
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2687[19:00:07] <razer2> blackflow, They also say not to do apt
pinning. There is a warning about that.
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2690[19:00:31] <razer2> I'm using just stable plus backports
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2691[19:00:31] <blackflow> razer2: yeah, don't. I understand
the risk.
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2692[19:00:38] <blackflow> if I break it I keep the pieces, also.
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2694[19:01:16] <blackflow> shdeuce: well... in a way, that you
can partition which parts of the fs may exec, suid, etc...
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2696[19:02:11] <annadane> see here's the thing, if i
reproduce this, i have no idea if it's a bug or not because i
don't use synaptic so i have absolutely no clue what intended
behavior is
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2702[19:04:19] <shdeuce> blackflow: There is no other benefit?
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2707[19:05:37] <blackflow> shdeuce: security wise? no, just
different mount options one can utilize for a "least
privilege" policy. with btrfs you have the ability to
facilitate proper snapshots and easy backup wiht send|receive, so it
has security value in that too.
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2711[19:06:53] <blackflow> shdeuce: I don't use btrfs, I use
ZFS. with that, one can rm -rf /everything and I can just shrug and
'zfs rollback'. with remoting backup snapshots it's
even easier as I can delegate through zfs delegation, that the user
can send a snapshot, but not destroy it.
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2717[19:10:23] <annadane> razer2, the option is only meant to be
used with the other option above it, itself meant to be used only
with the programs that are already in synaptic, not third party
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2718[19:10:30] <annadane> so i'd say "not a bug"
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2721[19:10:53] <razer2> So like downloading .deb from debian
website?
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2724[19:12:18] <shdeuce> blackflow: Thanks a lot. That was useful
input.
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2728[19:12:43] <annadane> anyway, honestly, i'd rather not
use synaptic for installing stuff
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2743[19:26:31] <razer2> annadane, just apt I presume. That is
what I use normally I guess.
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2744[19:27:03] <annadane> mhm. and honestly stay away from
.deb's in general, you don't want to install every
untrusted thing under the sun
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2745[19:27:39] <razer2> annadane, Ok, yeah. That was my original
thought. Though it was more about messing up the system than not
trusting in the malicious sense.
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2747[19:27:57] <annadane> bit of column A bit of column B
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2748[19:28:00] <razer2> I think debs are basically packages from
the distributor of the distro is the right way to think of it.
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2749[19:28:23] <greycat> A .deb is a file made by anyone who
wants to make one.
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2751[19:28:27] <razer2> That is their purpose.
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2752[19:28:43] <razer2> Yeah, but you should think of it like
that from a procedure, not technology, standpoint.
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2755[19:29:13] <razer2> Anyone can create a .deb, but the ideal
purpose is for the distribution
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2756[19:29:27] <razer2> And if a deb isn't part of the
distribution, well
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2757[19:29:41] <greycat> Debian makes .deb files and those are
typically good, at least by the time they get into a stable release.
Then there are companies like Google that make .deb files for things
like google-chrome-stable, and those are pretty good too. Then
there's EVERYTHING ELSE.
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2760[19:29:55] <greycat> The problem is that last category.
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2761[19:30:10] <razer2> So a company like Discord making a deb.
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2762[19:30:37] <annadane> and it's also just a good habit to
get into security-wise. the repository is already trusted; for
everything else there's tarballs
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2763[19:30:59] <dutchfish> there is a good reason why something
is not in the Debian repos. If you think otherwise, feel free to ask
for a sponsor and package it yourself.
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2764[19:31:04] <razer2> Yeah and tarballs seem to work in many
cases. I've tried snaps and flatpaks that don't work
though.
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2769[19:31:58] <razer2> I told the flatpak repostory and they
were like "yeah we know that one doesn't work" and I
was like this is insane you would post that!
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2770[19:32:23] <razer2> It is like gaslighting people like some
kind of psychological torture.
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2772[19:32:54] <annadane> (oh hey flatpak is also in the debian
repository!)
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2773[19:33:18] <razer2> I mean a flatpak app, not the flatpak
platform
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2775[19:33:42] <razer2> the flatpakk installer works, but a
specific flatpack app didn't and they knew.
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2777[19:34:02] <razer2> And the Spotify snap doesn't work on
Debian.
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2779[19:34:12] <greycat> Example from the EVERYTHING ELSE
category:
replaced-url
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2780[19:34:37] <razer2> got to restart
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2807[19:46:00] <KdeKris> Anyone know about why my FirePro 6100m
isn't using hardware rendering?
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2808[19:46:35] <KdeKris> I've got xorg.0.log on paste if you
need it. And a whole list of other stuff I've tried over the
last 24 hours to go through.
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2810[19:46:38] <greycat> If that's a video card, chances are
you need to install some non-free firmware for it, or a non-free
driver, or both.
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2811[19:46:49] <KdeKris>
replaced-url
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2812[19:46:57] <towo`> all done in #debian on oftc.net
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2813[19:46:58] <KdeKris> Already got the nonfree driver and
firmware.
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2814[19:47:12] <towo`> there is no nonfree driver
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2815[19:47:17] <KdeKris> Yeah, towo` here has been helping me
most of the day.
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2816[19:47:39] <greycat> What's the PCI ID?
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2817[19:48:43] <KdeKris> How would I find that/
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2818[19:48:46] <KdeKris> ?
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2820[19:48:50] <greycat> lspci -nn
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2821[19:48:51] <towo`> lspci -nn
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2822[19:48:55] <greycat> should have been the VERY FIRST THING
you did
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2826[19:50:22] <KdeKris> greycat, sorry, I don't have a ton
of commands memorized. Everything I do is learn as I go right now.
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2827[19:50:23] <KdeKris>
replaced-url
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2828[19:50:30] <KdeKris> output of lspci -nn
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2829[19:50:58] <greycat> ,pciid 1002:6640
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2830[19:50:59] <judd> [1002:6640] is 'Saturn XT [FirePro
M6100]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]'
with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in
stretch. See also
replaced-url
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2831[19:51:08] <annadane> hey at least you're running
stable, unlike me, who tried using sid within literally the first 3
months of any debian use at all
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2834[19:51:42] <annadane> (i mean i'm on stable *now*...)
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2837[19:53:33] <KdeKris> judd, that link shows that it works
since kernel 3.16.0, I'm on 4.16.0. should work then, but
I'm still getting software rendering with llvmpipe.
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2839[19:53:45] <greycat> I'm not trusting kmuto.jp's
results these days.
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2842[19:54:29] <greycat> here's some devs in #radeon talking
about it last year:
replaced-url
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2843[19:54:42] <KdeKris> I'm confident I was getting
hardware rendering on the old gpu (radeon HD6970M) because
performance was actually there, and I got 55-60fps in most games. It
just didn't support OpenGL 3.0 or greater, which is why I
upgraded.
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2844[19:55:13] <greycat> The GPU may be too new for
stretch's kernel & drivers, maybe.
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2848[19:56:17] <KdeKris> It's five years old though...
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2850[19:56:30] <KdeKris> How old does it have to be?
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2856[19:57:24] <greycat> If you're using the stretch drivers
and the non-free firmware for this device, and it's still not
working, you could ask in #radeon.
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2859[19:57:59] <KdeKris> I'm getting this nick registered
with nickserv now so I can do just that.
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2865[20:00:01] <dutchfish> that card is supported since 4.2, but,
you probably need a recent amdgpu driver not radeon
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2868[20:00:23] <KdeKris> so, maybe use the driver from backports?
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2869[20:00:37] <dutchfish> KdeKris, you could try that
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2870[20:00:45] <towo`> dutchfish, no, amdgpu does not support
that card
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2871[20:00:55] <towo`> that's an old radeonsi
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2872[20:01:03] <dutchfish> towo`, are you sure? see:
replaced-url
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2874[20:01:10] <towo`> and kernel is clearly using radeon, not
amdgpu
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2877[20:01:52] <KdeKris> Kernel might be using radeon because my
old card was radeon. But would that persist through a kernel
upgrade?
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2880[20:02:10] <towo`> dutchfish, the stretch kernel has not
activated CIK support original
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2881[20:02:48] <dutchfish> totonika, hence i advised a newer
kernel and amdgpu from backports to try.
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2883[20:03:05] <towo`> and for sure, i would ask in #radeon
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2884[20:03:10] <dutchfish> oops that was for towo`
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2885[20:03:21] <dutchfish> or that, sure
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2886[20:03:29] <towo`> dutchfish, radeon is supporting that
chipset since years
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2887[20:03:45] <KdeKris> I did the kernel upgrade about an hour
ago. I'll try the drivers and firmware before I go over to
#radeon and retell my story for the millionth time.
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2890[20:04:47] <dutchfish> towo`, you giving me doubt, but check
in here
replaced-url
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2891[20:05:06] <KdeKris> already got backports in sources.list,
so my command would be "apt -t stretch-backports
linux-firmware-nonfree"
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2892[20:05:15] <KdeKris> and I don't remember the driver
package name.
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2894[20:06:03] <dutchfish> KdeKris, if i am not mistaken
libdrm-amdgpu1
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2895[20:06:40] <dutchfish> KdeKris, along with
xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
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2897[20:06:55] <KdeKris> Aren't there a bunch of associated
packages and dependencies that will install with those?
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2901[20:07:13] <dutchfish> KdeKris, but only if it is realyy
amdgpu and not radeon, i am in doubt now
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2902[20:07:29] <dutchfish> KdeKris, yes
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2903[20:07:31] <towo`> dutchfish, that wouldn't be enaught,
since the kernel is loading radeon kernel module
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2907[20:07:55] <dutchfish> towo`, wrong, this works for me on
other cards
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2908[20:08:04] <dutchfish> towo`, that i am sure off
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2909[20:08:06] <towo`> never ever
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2910[20:08:07] <KdeKris> So my command will look like "sudo
apt -t stretch-backports linux-firmware-nonfree libdrm-amdgpu1
xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu"?
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2911[20:08:24] <towo`> amdgpu ddx can'tr be used if radeon
as kernel module is running
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2912[20:08:24] <dutchfish> towo`, enlighten me
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2913[20:08:38] <dutchfish> towo`, correct
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2914[20:08:45] <xsisec> hi guys I have installed eclipse on my
debian machine, though the window code is flickering, so my question
is How can I see the hopefully reason to this from the console?
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2915[20:09:01] <xsisec> to do this"
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2916[20:09:03] <towo`> dutchfish, and on KdeKris system, kernel
is loading radeon, not amdgpu
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2917[20:09:06] <dutchfish> towo`, its either radeon OR amdgpu
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2921[20:09:44] <KdeKris> What if my kernel is loading the wrong
module though?
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2922[20:09:53] <dutchfish> KdeKris, good thought
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2923[20:10:21] <KdeKris> What if all the firmware and drivers are
correct, but can't load correctly because the kernel isn't
doing what it should?
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2924[20:10:30] <KdeKris> How would I go about checking that?
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2926[20:10:32] <dutchfish> KdeKris, the confusion excists from
the past, formerly all cards were radeon
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2928[20:11:02] <dutchfish> KdeKris, up to the 4.x kernels, then
it was devided in to radeon and amdgpu
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2929[20:11:16] <KdeKris> If the kernel is loading radeon, would
it hurt anything to make it load amdgpu somehow (I have no idea how
I'd do this)?
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2931[20:11:29] <KdeKris> As a test, to see if that's the
issue.
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2932[20:11:44] <towo`> you would need to blacklist radeon
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2933[20:11:49] <dutchfish> KdeKris, just try it (with a newer
kernel) if the kernel or the card isnt capable it ownt load
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2934[20:11:58] <towo`> and you would need to add amdgpu to
/etc/modules
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2935[20:12:37] <KdeKris> dutchfish, I upgraded to 4.16 kernel a
little while ago, and that didn't change anything.
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2936[20:12:59] <KdeKris> might be like towo` said, need to add
amdgpu to /etc/modules and blacklist radeon.
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2938[20:13:08] <KdeKris> then cross my fingers and hope it still
boots.
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2939[20:13:13] <towo`> KdeKris, not enought
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2940[20:13:16] <dutchfish> KdeKris, if you have an Xorg.conf, you
prolly want to set it aside.
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2942[20:13:41] <dutchfish> KdeKris, most amd cards no longer need
that config anymore
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2943[20:13:48] <towo`> KdeKris, you have to rebuild initramfs and
deleting the created /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-radeon.conf
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2944[20:14:01] <dutchfish> towo`, correct
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2947[20:14:45] <KdeKris> sound's like something to save for
when I have more time? Or is it a fairly quick process. I know
deleting 20-radeon.conf is as simple as 'sudo rm -rf'
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2949[20:15:10] <dutchfish> KdeKris, dont delete configs, set them
aside
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2952[20:15:18] <dutchfish> (just in case)
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2953[20:15:20] <KdeKris> rename to *.bak
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2954[20:15:28] <dutchfish> fair enough
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2959[20:15:52] <KdeKris> they werent there before and towo` had
me create it earlier today before I upgraded kernel.
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2960[20:16:07] <dutchfish> ah ic
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2961[20:16:24] <KdeKris> So deleting probably wouldn't
change anything.
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2962[20:16:46] <dutchfish> you prolly dont need them either (all
my amd cards so far work without it) that is on the newer kernels
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2966[20:17:17] <dutchfish> i make a habbit of cp my old configs
to /root/backup (just in case)
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2967[20:17:19] <KdeKris> And i'm on the newest kernel (that
I'm aware of)
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2968[20:17:35] <foul_owl> Whats the canonical tool for floating
ip failover? keepalived? Or something else?
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2969[20:17:44] <foul_owl> Just trying to set up an HA ssh bastion
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2971[20:18:02] <dutchfish> KdeKris, not 'the' newest,
but that one will do
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2973[20:18:47] <KdeKris> What's the newest?
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2974[20:19:10] <dutchfish> KdeKris, i am testing 4.17.7 right
now. I dont advise to use that one (yet)
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2975[20:19:35] <KdeKris> okay, so newer than 4.16.0 would be
unstable?
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2976[20:19:49] <dutchfish> KdeKris, along with a newer kernel
comes a newer ABI most of the time.
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2979[20:20:46] <dutchfish> KdeKris, i you want newer, and this is
not a production system. You maybe want Debian/testing. But i advise
to test out the BPO ones first.
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2981[20:21:17] <dutchfish> (easiest to coop with)
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2982[20:21:27] <KdeKris> I think I'm okay without testing
something that might be unstable.
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2983[20:21:38] <dutchfish> right
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2986[20:21:54] <KdeKris> I'm currently deployed and about
5,000 miles from home, so I do need my laptop for actual work
sometimes.
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2987[20:22:24] <dutchfish> KdeKris, then stick to stable and
maybe BPO if that doesnt work is a sane choice.
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2988[20:22:45] <KdeKris> Exactly what I'm doing. :-)
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2989[20:22:50] <dutchfish> ;)
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2992[20:23:33] <KdeKris> Check this paste out. does it mean that
amdgpu and radeon modules are both being loaded?
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2997[20:23:53] <KdeKris>
replaced-url
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2999[20:23:59] <dutchfish> KdeKris, if all doesnt work out, come
back and just ask. Also, some logs might help us.
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3002[20:24:51] <dutchfish> KdeKris, you prolly need to get rid of
the radeon driver, to know for sure.
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3004[20:25:02] <KdeKris> heres one with grep amdgpu
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3005[20:25:03] <KdeKris>
replaced-url
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3006[20:25:05] <greycat> ("get rid of" = blacklist)
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3007[20:25:15] <dutchfish> KdeKris, and update your initramfs
again
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3008[20:25:28] <dutchfish> greycat, or that
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3010[20:26:28] <KdeKris> couple quick google searches show that
that shouldn't take to long. I'll try it and hopefully
don't kill my kernel in the process. I still have the old 4.9
kernel to boot if something goes wrong though.
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3011[20:26:34] <RichardC> Hey everyone. I've been
experiencing an issue with computer slowdowns during periods of high
disk IO on my SSD. I've attempted changing the IO scheduler
from None to MQ-Deadline but that doesn't seem to help. Any
suggestions here?
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3012[20:27:01] <RichardC> From what I can tell, SSD's
firmware is up-to-date.
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3013[20:27:12] <dutchfish> KdeKris, libdrm-radeon1 is probably
the one to ommit
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3014[20:27:28] <dutchfish> (or blacklist radeon)
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3018[20:28:05] <KdeKris> omitting libdrm-radeon1 and blacklisting
radeon would be two different processes correct/
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3019[20:28:06] <KdeKris> ?
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3022[20:28:39] <dutchfish> KdeKris, by ommiting i ment uninstall.
And, yes, 2 ways to coop with this.
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3023[20:29:21] <KdeKris> Which way is less likely to break
something?
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3024[20:29:33] <dutchfish> KdeKris, blacklisting
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3028[20:30:13] <KdeKris> okay, I'll do that then. Back in a
few.
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3029[20:30:18] <dutchfish> KdeKris, and also, you will be back on
radeon, just in case this doesnt work in a jiffy.
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3035[20:35:21] <razer1> So maybe what is needed if a person wants
to use debian is a guide of what to use and what not to use. Because
it sounds like Debian is not a final os platform. It is a make your
own solution from what is available.
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3039[20:35:58] <razer1> Meaning if many things don't work
etc. Sort of like a guide for a person to use Debian instead of say
Ubuntu or Pop OS.
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3040[20:36:23] <KdeKris> dutchfish, I'd just boot the 4.9
kernel and unblacklist radeon, correct?
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3042[20:36:48] <razer1> Sort of like buying materials vs. a
product.
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3043[20:37:01] <dutchfish> KdeKris, correct
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3044[20:37:16] <annadane> razer1,
replaced-url
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3045[20:37:26] <KdeKris> Also, and let the debian gods forgive me
for linking this here, but would this be, essentially, the way to go
about blacklisting radeon?
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3046[20:37:28] <KdeKris>
replaced-url
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3049[20:37:56] <dutchfish> !blacklist
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3050[20:37:57] <dpkg> To blacklist a Linux kernel module,
create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line
similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name".
If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename
/bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'.
IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a
module at installation time, ask me about <installer
blacklist>.
replaced-url
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3054[20:38:29] <johnfg> hi folks
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3055[20:38:57] <KdeKris> Well son-of-a... I need to learn to
interact with the channel bot more.
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3056[20:38:59] <johnfg> Seems I may have asked about this before,
but I don't remember if a solution was proposed.
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3059[20:39:32] <johnfg> I'm running the latest stretch, all
updates applied, with Mate as my DE, and bash as my shell.
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3062[20:40:06] <annadane> !tell KdeKris about search dpkg
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3063[20:40:32] <johnfg> However, my .bash_profile is not setting
the PATH as I expect, but I have to run . .bash_profile for it to be
read.
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3066[20:40:49] <johnfg> Is there something else I need to do to
have it read at login?
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3075[20:44:44] <somiaj> johnfg: .bash_profile is only read on
login shells, not interactive shells, then .bashrc is read. man bash
for more details
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3077[20:45:18] <greycat> johnfg: how do you login? Via a GUI
Display Manager?
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3082[20:46:25] <greycat> if so, see
replaced-url
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3083[20:46:27] <KdeKris> Thanks for that annadane.
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3087[20:47:09] <KdeKris> dutchfish, towo`, greycat, everyone,
I've blacklisted radeon, and updated initramfs....gonna reboot.
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3088[20:47:12] <KdeKris> fingers crossed.
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3089[20:47:25] <KdeKris> messing with kernels makes me so anxious
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3092[20:47:52] <annadane> !next
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3093[20:47:52] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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3097[20:50:13] <johnfg> greycat: Yes, lightdm.
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3101[20:50:44] <greycat> Logins with a DM don't read shell
profiles at all. So you have to put your stuff in a file that it
DOES read, such as ~/.xsessionrc
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3102[20:50:46] <johnfg> greycat: I just logged in on tty2, and
there it does echo back the path as set in my .bash_profile.
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3103[20:50:58] <greycat> Yes, logins on tty2 (Linux virtual
console) DO read shell profiles.
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3104[20:51:19] <johnfg> greycat: Ok, thanks, I'll edit
.xsessionrc.
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3106[20:51:50] <msl09> dudes
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3107[20:51:53] <johnfg> greycat: Does that take the same format
as PATH in .bash_profile?
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3109[20:52:12] <msl09> against what package do I report a bug in
the kde notification area?
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3110[20:52:24] <annadane> ugh, who the hell knows
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3111[20:52:28] <msl09> or search for it if it's already open
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3112[20:52:28] <annadane> probably kde-desktop
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3114[20:52:52] <annadane> just file it against that and if
it's wrong they'll reassign it themselves
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3117[20:52:58] <annadane> they're not going to reject a bug
report just for that
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3118[20:53:04] <greycat> johnfg: see
replaced-url
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3120[20:53:25] <johnfg> greycat: Ok, looking now.
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3123[20:55:02] <mnuhmnuh> !tell mnuhmnuh about search dpkg
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3166[21:14:39] <mefistofeles> so
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3171[21:15:27] <mefistofeles> when installing "tables"
python package using "pip install tables" I'm getting
a "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lhdf5" even though both
libhdf5-8 and libhdf5-dev packages are installed
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3172[21:15:32] <mefistofeles> any ideas why this may be
happening?
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3174[21:17:13] <greycat> you'd want to find the build log
file and see exactly what the error is
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3178[21:18:41] <greycat> hmm,
replaced-url
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3179[21:18:49] <rant> mefistofeles: why not just use the already
packaged version of this?
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3180[21:19:17] <mefistofeles> rant: it's a virtualenv I need
a specific version
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3182[21:20:18] <mefistofeles> greycat: doesn't really say
much else
replaced-url
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3184[21:20:42] <rant> mefistofeles: ah well then you might want
to go into some detail there as the problem likely lies in that
environment
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3185[21:20:44] <greycat> that's actually LESS than you
showed in chat
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3187[21:21:10] <greycat> ,file libhdf5.so
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3188[21:21:12] <mefistofeles> rant: it's a script that
creates an environment, it works fine with archlinux and debian 9,
failing in debian 8
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3189[21:21:15] <judd> Search for libhdf5.so in stretch/amd64:
libhdf5-mpich-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hdf5/mpich/libhdf5.so;
libhdf5-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hdf5/serial/libhdf5.so;
libhdf5-openmpi-dev:
usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hdf5/openmpi/libhdf5.so
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3190[21:21:28] <greycat> *sigh* and now we learn that he's
not in stretch
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3191[21:21:45] <mefistofeles> well, has to be run with debian
oldstable
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3192[21:21:55] <rant> greycat: I'm sure it gets better, go
grab some popcorn
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3195[21:22:10] <mefistofeles> nice help
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3196[21:22:55] <rant> mefistofeles: are you objecting to the fact
that you're the one with eyes on this and not giving us a clear
picture?
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3197[21:23:16] <mefistofeles> rant: nevermind
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3198[21:23:21] <rant> if it were obvious, you probably wouldn be
asking for help
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3201[21:24:04] <mefistofeles> useless people in this channel, as
usual
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3202[21:24:10] <greycat> ,file libhdf5.so --release jessie
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3203[21:24:14] <judd> Search for libhdf5.so in jessie/amd64:
libhdf5-mpich-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hdf5/mpich/libhdf5.so;
libhdf5-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hdf5/serial/libhdf5.so;
libhdf5-openmpi-dev:
usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hdf5/openmpi/libhdf5.so
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3204[21:24:20] <greycat> Oh, I'm useless. OK. *plonk*
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3206[21:24:35] <mefistofeles> libhdf5-dev is already installed,
fwiw
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3209[21:25:21] <annadane> communities don't really like
being called useless; even if we're wrong, we're doing our
best, if you think we're wrong, try again later or wait for a
second opinion
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3210[21:25:24] <rant> mefistofeles: then perhaps try #python or
help us draw a clear picture of the non-debian-stable-pyhon-package
environment YOU created which doesn't satisfy your 3rd party
build
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3212[21:26:09] <rant> because if you as you have said repeaedly
installed deps and they're not being found, this screams
environment... path or such
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3213[21:26:41] <rant> we cannot compare this against our own
environmen because you've constructed sometthing rubish we
can't see
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3214[21:26:43] <greycat> or there is a special magic incantation
required for this hdf5 thing, like pkgconfig something
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3215[21:27:34] <greycat> But, since we're useless,
don't expect any of us to go out of our way to try to figure
that all out for you.
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3217[21:28:06] <rant> yes, there are other places to seek help if
thats really how you feel.
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3218[21:28:06] <mefistofeles> yeah just let it go, I'd
figure it out myself, nvm.
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3221[21:28:18] <rant> fair enough, have fun
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commands in
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3232[21:33:46] <mefistofeles> greycat: tried that already, and
no, didn't work
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3234[21:34:04] <mefistofeles> well, actually tried only the first
one
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3237[21:35:47] <annadane> what's the general way to check if
a disk is failing? i see there's smartmontools, but any other
suggestions welcome
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3238[21:36:11] <somiaj> smartmoontools will run either a short or
long self test, run both those
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3239[21:36:17] <somiaj> if those come back okay, check for io
errors
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3240[21:36:33] <somiaj> also if smartmontools tests are okay,
could be a port or even a sata cable
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3252[21:40:31] <blackflow> smart is one of those false negative
things. if it shows trouble, that's because it's
programmed to think there might be (eg through normalized values
hitting thresholds). if it shows no trouble, it doesn't mean
there's no trouble. I wouldn't rely on it anyway except on
raw numbers like pending realloc sectors.
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3255[21:40:55] <mefistofeles> ok, solved it using HDF5_DIR env
variable pointing to /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hdf5/serial/ for
those interested
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3256[21:41:03] <mefistofeles> and I do blame debian8 for this
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3258[21:41:09] <annadane> literally my only indication of a
potential fail is a slightly noisy drive
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3260[21:41:15] <annadane> so idk
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3261[21:41:34] <annadane> i've put it through a fair amount
of abuse
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3265[21:42:33] <KdeKris> What the actual fuuuuuu......
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3266[21:42:40] <KdeKris> No de. cant get a log in.
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3268[21:43:08] <KdeKris> broke everything. Even after deleting
the blacklist file and doing update-initramfs again
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3269[21:43:21] <KdeKris> Had to boot windows...now I'm mad.
I hate windows.
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3270[21:43:30] <annadane> i want a better computer regardless so
it's almost good if it fails lol
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3272[21:44:18] <KdeKris> Yeah, but you may have access to get a
better pc right now. I don't. I'm 5000 miles from home,
and only have the one computer with me.
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3273[21:44:30] <KdeKris> I won't be back home till next year
either.
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3277[21:45:21] <KdeKris> Plus there's stuff saved on the
debian side that I need for what I'm doing here. Which, I could
figure out how to access through the windows 10 boot, but would
rather just fix the debian kernel and boot that.
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3278[21:45:27] <annadane> i wasn't talking about your issue,
sorry if it came off that way
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3279[21:45:31] <blackflow> KdeKris: so what's the problem?
What broke?
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3280[21:45:34] <annadane> prior discussion from when you
weren't here
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3282[21:45:48] <KdeKris> No, you're good. I'm just
agitated from dealing with this. My bad
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3283[21:47:10] <KdeKris> Oh, and I booted all three of the older
kernel versions installed and got the same thing.... command line
login and "startx" returned "cannot connect to
xserver"
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3284[21:47:31] <greycat> at that point you read the Xorg.0.log
file which is probably in ~/.local/
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3285[21:47:43] <greycat> .local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log
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3289[21:49:22] <KdeKris> I did, but couldn't make heads or
tails of it. I'm sure I can figure out how to access it from
here in windows and upload it, but it's already almost 10pm
here and I gotta be up early. I'll keep plugging away at it if
I have time tomorrow.
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3295[21:51:48] <Neddih> hi. I am using OpenVPN 2.4.0
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu (The one that comes with Debian 9.5 stretch) -
and I have multiple openvpn processes / configs running and they all
work fine, except the one that uses the interface eth0:0 that is set
in /etc/network/interfaces - openvpn starts before that IP defined
on eth0:0 is up, but after eth0 is up.
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3296[21:51:58] <Neddih> The previous openvpn version (default
openvpn version on debian wheezy) worked fine yesterday before I
upgraded to debian stretch, all with the same interface and openvpn
configs. Now i am getting a fatal error that results in exiting when
openvpn is starting on boot - "TCP/UDP: Socket bind failed on
local address [AF_INET]10.29.7.1:13456: Cannot assign requested
address"
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3297[21:52:46] <annadane> ooh. got the right version too, like 2
days after release :P
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3299[21:53:37] <annadane> "9.4... shit, i mean, 9.5..."
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3300[21:53:51] <somiaj> Neddih: but it works fine if you run the
openvpn service after the eth0:0 is up? I do know there is some
changes with how virtual interfaces work with ip, but maybe you just
need to edit the openvpn service to wait a little longer before
starting.
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3302[21:54:24] <Neddih> somiaj, yes, it works fine afterwards
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3303[21:54:52] <somiaj> Neddih: systemctl edit servicename should
alow you to edit the unit file, and maybe adjust its dependencies.
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3304[21:55:09] <somiaj> I am unsure the best approach for the
openvpn service as I don't use it
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3316[22:02:51] <Neddih> somiaj, are you able to help me or, if
you really can't, point me towards the appropriate
documentation?<
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3317[22:02:58] <Neddih> if possible :)
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3318[22:03:40] <DaFluffyPotato> So I've had a kinda broken
laptop for a while. I've got debian installed and got it fully
running once, which lasted for about a week before I accidentally
let it run out of power.
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3319[22:03:48] <DaFluffyPotato> It hasn't been able to boot
debian since
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3323[22:04:14] <somiaj> well look at the unit file, there is a
After=, or Requre=, that you can use to ensure services run in the
proper order.
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3325[22:04:31] <DaFluffyPotato> can anyone help me? ._.
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3326[22:04:45] <somiaj> Neddih: you can man systemd.service for
the doc, or check out systemd documentation online
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3327[22:04:58] <coolstar> hi, is there a channel for developers?
have some questions regarding libapt
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3328[22:05:16] <somiaj> coolstar: what is your question?
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3331[22:05:39] <somiaj> coolstar: such as is your question about
the software apt, and using/linking against libpat?
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3333[22:05:56] <coolstar> would like to know if there's any
available documentation on libapt (like the classes and API's I
can use from the library)
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3335[22:06:07] <coolstar> somiaj: using and linking against
libapt
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3337[22:06:35] <somiaj> coolstar: I can't think of any
channel that would have apt developers in it, and outside of looking
at the source code, unsure on documentation about teh api.
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3338[22:06:40] <DaFluffyPotato> btw, the last thing shown before
the screen goes black and it hands is "recovering journal"
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3339[22:06:56] <somiaj> coolstar: mailing lists maybe prefered,
let me see if I can find an appropriate one
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3344[22:08:03] <coolstar> also have to say, it's cute the
IRC bot is named dpkg :)
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3345[22:08:23] <somiaj> coolstar:
replaced-url
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3346[22:08:56] <somiaj> coolstar: There is a debian-devel mailing
lists, but I think this is more overall develpment and packages, not
apt specifically. debian-dpkg looks the most appropraite, since I
don't see a debian-apt mailing list
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3348[22:09:37] <coolstar> alright, I'll try debian-dpkg then
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3349[22:10:01] <coolstar> also damn some of those mailing lists
are older than me lol
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3350[22:10:17] <annadane> bleh, how does one bring down the
virtual network in virt-manager
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3351[22:10:21] <annadane> forget the virsh way to do it
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3352[22:10:57] <annadane> net-destroy, apparently
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3353[22:11:27] <somiaj> coolstar: there is #debian-apt and
#debian-dpkg on irc.oftc.net. Though mailing lists are still a bit
better for actually getting resposnes from developers, just a little
slower.
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3354[22:11:41] <somiaj> coolstar:
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3358[22:12:49] <somiaj> annadane: man virsh, looks like it is
virsh net-destroy networkname
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3359[22:13:03] <coolstar> somiaj: awesome, thanks
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3360[22:13:31] <somiaj> annadane: I don't see a gui option
for this in virt-manager
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3362[22:13:51] <annadane> ip a shows it but net-destroy virbr0
doesn't work