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• 13[00:04:47] <pvoigt> Under Debian Jessie I have configured the tty1 text console according to replaced-url
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• 16[00:06:17] <pvoigt> With Stretch all boot messages on tty1 are "lost" once the Gnome login screen has shown up. Moreover, I cannot even switch to the tty1 text console. The first usable text console is tty2.
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• 18[00:07:15] <pvoigt> Can I configure the Jessie behavior of tty1 under Stretch?
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• 21[00:08:45] <teraflops> pvoigt: why dont you use tty2 or whatever?
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• 24[00:09:16] <teraflops> pvoigt: it's using tty1 because you said so
• 25[00:09:28] <teraflops> /etc/systemd/system/getty@tty1.service.d ^
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• 34[00:11:55] <pvoigt> teraflops: Yes, tty2 is OK for usage but I would like to see the boot messages in favor of each time issuing "journalctl -b".
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• 36[00:12:28] <teraflops> i dont get what you mean, sorry
• 37[00:13:17] <pvoigt> I want to see the boot messages on tty1 when I enter Alt+Ctrl+F1 ;-)
• 38[00:13:26] <teraflops> why tty1?
• 39[00:13:41] <teraflops> xorg is picking tty1
• 40[00:13:59] <teraflops> why not tty2?
• 41[00:14:11] <teraflops> or tty8
• 42[00:14:17] <pvoigt> Because I am get used to this practical behavior for more than 20 years of Linux usage ;-)
• 43[00:14:29] <teraflops> pvoigt: oh shit
• 44[00:14:37] <pvoigt> There are no boot messages on tty2
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• 46[00:15:01] <teraflops> because you said explicitly to use tty1
• 47[00:15:07] <pvoigt> So I could live with the boot messages on tty2...
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• 51[00:15:46] <teraflops> pvoigt: well, I dont want to piss you it's just I wonder why
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• 54[00:16:51] <pvoigt> Hm, sorry, but /etc/systemd/system/getty@tty1.service.d is a directory on my machine containing only the refrenced noclear.conf.
• 55[00:16:55] <teraflops> also idk how to tell xorg not picking the first available tty
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• 57[00:17:18] <teraflops> is says tty1…
• 58[00:17:41] <pvoigt> teraflops, no problem, I appreciate your help.
• 59[00:17:52] <teraflops> and you created it according to the tutorial yo pastes above I think
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• 61[00:18:26] <teraflops> so lets say you do the same but where it says tty1 you change it to tty8?
• 62[00:18:27] <x-fak> hi
• 63[00:18:36] <teraflops> is/it
• 64[00:18:47] <pvoigt> My be I should ask differently: Did the tty1 usage change from Jessie to Stretch?
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• 66[00:19:28] <teraflops> iirc ttys are spawned when needed
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• 68[00:20:23] <teraflops> so e.g if you login on tty1 and type startx it will start in that very tty as your user
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• 192[00:22:43] <GrimKriegor> why?
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• 194[00:22:52] <theraspberry> lol
• 195[00:22:56] <r0bby> GrimKriegor: I think they weren't hugged as children
• 196[00:22:59] <Digz> its toddler hour, yay!
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• 198[00:23:14] <r0bby> Alternate theory: They ate paintchips as children
• 199[00:23:24] <GrimKriegor> they are way funnier and more profitable ways to use time and I guess computing power
• 200[00:23:26] <GrimKriegor> prolly both!
• 201[00:23:28] <GrimKriegor> LOL
• 202[00:23:33] <GrimKriegor> there <
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• 204[00:23:57] <LoRez> akq: you don't _have_ to be in here.
• 205[00:24:03] <pvoigt> As far as I understand the /etc/systemd/system/getty@tty1.service.d/noclear.conf as referenced is to ensures that tty1 keeps the boot messages. But as soon as the Gnome login screen appears the messages are "lost" becase xorg uses tty1.
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• 207[00:24:16] <kneekoo> some people are fearless in proving their low intelect
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• 211[00:24:25] <pvoigt> ;-)
• 212[00:24:38] <linuxthefish> hey, i have a PC that I can SSH into but it doesn't spawn a tty shell if a monitor is used - what could I be missing?
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• 215[00:25:29] <teraflops> the spammer is using same provider for all the IP adresses, every day…
• 216[00:25:48] <r0bby> teraflops: maybe alert their provider
• 217[00:25:52] <r0bby> abuse@ works
• 218[00:26:13] <teraflops> someone should email them or just block the entire fucking domain
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• 221[00:27:02] <teraflops> r0bby: someone from freenode staff should be better
• 222[00:27:14] <r0bby> They have a lot of stuff to do
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• 224[00:27:27] <r0bby> The quick fix would be to require identified nicks to join
• 225[00:27:36] <r0bby> if you're using Debian, you're competent enough to auth with nickserv
• 226[00:27:42] <teraflops> im not in charge of anything
• 227[00:27:53] <teraflops> I'm just a pissed user
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• 232[00:29:13] <teraflops> you think they care about creating nicks? it looks like they have an unlimited amount if ipv4 addresses
• 233[00:29:22] <teraflops> again from same provider
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• 236[00:31:02] <rapha> Is there nothing that can be done against all that spam?
• 237[00:31:07] <teraflops> and yes +r looks like a good idea, in a general sense not under this spam storm
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• 242[00:32:21] <teraflops> pvoigt: yeah becasue xorg (or gdm) is using tty1
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• 244[00:33:21] <teraflops> pvoigt: idk who to change such behaviour though
• 245[00:33:29] <teraflops> how^
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• 249[00:35:09] <pvoigt> teraflops: I am not sure but I think under Jessie gdm picked tty7.
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• 251[00:35:19] <r0bby> teraflops: /cs access #debian list
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• 253[00:35:43] <teraflops> pvoigt: idk, but wasnt using tty1 for sure
• 254[00:36:26] <teraflops> pvoigt: I dont use debian for desktop/workstation, but e.g in archlinux it uses tty1 too
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• 262[00:38:39] <teraflops> pvoigt: probably because jessie uses systemd 215 and stretch uses ~230
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• 265[00:39:15] <pvoigt> teraflops: I have asked this question here already a few hours ago. Some people said that even most distros use tty1.
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• 269[00:40:37] <pvoigt> I remember openSUSE 13.1 using tty7 with systemd.
• 270[00:41:40] <r0bby> tty8 on mint using cinnamon
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• 274[00:42:37] <pvoigt> teraflops: Yeah, the changed systemd version may be responsible for this changed behavior. I would like to read about it in some kind of release notes. When I first observed this I was supposing my Jessie->Stretch upgrade was not fully successful ;-)
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• 277[00:43:55] <pvoigt> I first "exercised" the Jessie->Stretch upgrade on my servers running no Xorg/GDM/Gnome at all;-)
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• 279[00:45:18] * pvoigt is searching for a systemd changelog
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• 281[00:46:15] <nostalgiccloud> Anyone here know how to get a hardened kernel on Debian
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• 293[00:50:35] <centrx> nostalgiccloud: looks like there are grsecurity kernel images
• 294[00:50:41] <centrx> nostalgiccloud: or this: replaced-url
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• 296[00:50:53] <centrx> nostalgiccloud: replaced-url
• 297[00:52:21] <pvoigt> teraflops: replaced-url
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• 322[01:02:15] <timeless> ● mdadm-raid.dpkg-remove.service not-found active exited mdadm-raid.dpkg-remove.service
• 323[01:02:18] <DonAlex> Lo all. Is it my imagination of has Debian 9.0 removed kernel-package ?
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• 325[01:02:31] <timeless> can someone tell me what that line is doing? (it's from systemctl)
• 326[01:02:38] <DonAlex> I can't find it anywhere so how do I run make-kpkg ?
• 327[01:02:42] <timeless> i suspect it was part of `apt upgrade`
• 328[01:02:49] <timeless> but it's kinda odd
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• 335[01:05:09] <Brigo> DonAlex, i think it has not sense anymore because you can build debian packages just from sources.
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• 337[01:05:56] <DonAlex> Brigo: Well that is nuts, because how can I build a Debian kernel from git now ?
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• 341[01:06:23] <Brigo> DonAlex, make debian from source tree or something like that.
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• 345[01:07:04] <DonAlex> Brigo: You can only do that if you have a debian patch applied to the kernel tree which is something kernel-package did.
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• 347[01:07:16] <DonAlex> Has it being replaced with kbuild?
• 348[01:07:23] <Brigo> DonAlex, you can download the debian kernels
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• 351[01:08:53] <DonAlex> Brigo: I don't want the debian kernels if I am using git.
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• 353[01:09:20] <DonAlex> If I need to compile 4.12 Debian won't have it till much later.
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• 355[01:09:40] <pacha> is it possible to search for packages with a tag as argument?
• 356[01:09:46] <Brigo> ,v kernels
• 357[01:09:47] <judd> No package named 'kernels' was found in amd64.
• 358[01:09:50] <Brigo> ,v kernel
• 359[01:09:51] <judd> No package named 'kernel' was found in amd64.
• 360[01:09:58] <Brigo> ,kernels
• 361[01:09:59] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); buster: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-1)
• 362[01:10:00] <pacha> like apt-cache search --tag interface::graphical
• 363[01:10:00] <DonAlex> I suspect things have been move to kbuild because you have things like this
• 364[01:10:02] <Brigo> ,v make-kpkg
• 365[01:10:02] <DonAlex> replaced-url
• 366[01:10:03] <judd> No package named 'make-kpkg' was found in amd64.
• 367[01:10:20] <DonAlex> it is not longer a package no..
• 368[01:10:30] <DonAlex> but I see these kbuild files..
• 369[01:10:47] <DonAlex> Would be nice if there was some documentation about it
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• 374[01:12:09] <Brigo> DonAlex, it looks like it get removed because a bug: replaced-url
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• 378[01:14:18] <Brigo> DonAlex, there is a recomended way without make-kpkg: replaced-url
• 379[01:14:20] <DonAlex> Ahh fascinating..
• 380[01:14:25] <DonAlex> Yes I read..
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• 383[01:14:50] <DonAlex> the kernel now
• 384[01:14:51] <DonAlex> > comes with a "make deb-pkg" target.
• 385[01:15:08] <DonAlex> In current kernels "make deb-pkg" also creates a source package which is
• 386[01:15:09] <DonAlex> very time-consuming. Unless one wants to distribute the built packages
• 387[01:15:09] <DonAlex> (and thus has to think about GPL compliance), it's better to use
• 388[01:15:09] <DonAlex> "make bindeb-pkg" which only creates binary packages.
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• 390[01:15:54] <Brigo> and you can get the kernel-package version from sid: replaced-url
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• 394[01:18:35] <DonAlex> seems make bindeb-pkg works.
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• 396[01:18:52] <DonAlex> cool. Debs are now part of the linux kernel..
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• 398[01:19:17] <DonAlex> I bet this has something to do with the reproducible builds project.
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• 405[01:21:24] <nine_milli> everyone Bock is spam messaging me porn stuff
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• 410[01:23:35] <mutante> what package does "dig" come from?
• 411[01:23:58] <mutante> wasnt there 'aptitude why' to check this kind of thing?
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• 413[01:24:31] <DonAlex> mutante: install apt-file
• 414[01:24:59] <mutante> ah, apparently it is "dnsutils"
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• 418[01:25:55] <mutante> but maybe just like 'psmic' this used to be installed by d-i but in stretch it's not amymore.. and that's why only notice it's missing now
• 419[01:26:11] <mutante> same story with "killall" and "pstree" afaict
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• 421[01:26:17] <mutante> psmisc, sorry
• 422[01:26:30] <mutante> DonAlex: thanks, ok. i found it on packages.debian.org
• 423[01:26:42] <DonAlex> Not sure psmisc was ever installed by default
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• 425[01:27:08] <DonAlex> Always remember having to install it by hand myself
• 426[01:27:10] <mutante> DonAlex: hmm, i heard "In trusty and jessie it gets installed as part of the d-i base install, but doesn't hurt to make it explicit."
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• 428[01:27:32] <mutante> (when i suggested adding the package everywhere)
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• 430[01:27:34] <mutante> oh well
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• 432[01:27:47] <DonAlex> it is like xwit. That never gets installed by default either. but it is handy nonetheless
• 433[01:27:57] <nine_milli> Bock: i dont wanna see naked pictures of your ugly mom
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• 435[01:28:27] <mutante> DonAlex: ddate and sl are also missing *g* :(
• 436[01:28:39] <mutante> looks up xwit :)
• 437[01:28:40] <DonAlex> quite.
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• 440[01:29:27] <DonAlex> look up xwd as well then :) I 've used that a lot too.
• 441[01:29:32] <bismilah> nine_milli, way I hear it, you'd rather have pics of boys your own age.
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• 446[01:30:14] <DonAlex> or rather xwdtoppm
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• 455[01:33:58] <nine_milli> CHOKE ON MY COCK WHORE
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• 462[01:36:08] <bezaban> !xy
• 463[01:36:08] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
• 464[01:36:23] <bismilah> Somebody needs to warn nine_milli that *some* people have very sharp teeth and don't mind eating brat tartare.
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• 594[02:25:41] <kevr> *sigh*
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• 610[02:29:13] <gry> kevr, what attracted your sigh here today?
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• 616[02:32:02] <forcerecon> Hello Debian.. evening..
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• 621[02:33:22] <gry> Hi, forcerecon.
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• 625[02:34:12] <forcerecon> I have a multimonitor setup and the main monitor in the middle has a couple icons on it. This is the way I like it.. However, the other two on the outside don't have any icons or panels. I understand how to add a panel to the monitors on the outside, but they contain no features when you do it. There is no clock and when you open a application on that screen even when you minimize it does not go to the panel on that screen but minimized
• 626[02:34:12] <forcerecon> to the main screen panel.. Is there any way to change this behaviour so that applications minimize to their respective panels
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• 632[02:37:35] <forcerecon> I am using debian 9 cinnamon 3.27 4.9.9-3-amd64
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• 634[02:37:57] <forcerecon> 4.9.0-3-amd64
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• 648[02:47:57] <kevr> gry: the spam
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• 652[02:48:23] <kevr> i keep getting notified here, and it makes me feel like im important, then i come over and its just somebody trying to get me to watch porn like i already do!
• 653[02:48:27] <kevr> it's messed up
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• 668[02:55:39] <LtL> kevr: type /umode +R to stop private messages, if thats what it is
• 669[02:56:04] <kevr> nah, it's the guys who come in here and spam tons of usernames from the user list
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• 673[02:57:30] <LtL> kevr: hrm, i haven't seen that for a few days.. maybe less
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• 679[02:58:46] <paqcito> Hello. Anyone here? I'm a new user on Ubuntu. I'm running it on Virtual Box, but I can't make internet works. I'm trying to set up a proxy, I was following an answer was given on askubuntu but it didnt work for me
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• 682[02:59:21] <LtL> paqcito: maybe try #ubuntu
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• 685[03:00:27] <kevr> paqcito: in virtualbox, what kind of network adapter are you using?
• 686[03:00:42] <kevr> in general, a bridged adapter is probably the easiest thing you could do to get up and running ASAP
• 687[03:00:57] <paqcito> LtL: i tried with no answers. kevr bridged adapter
• 688[03:01:12] <paqcito> kevr: actually i setted that one up
• 689[03:01:18] <kevr> are you selecting the correct device to bridge to?
• 690[03:01:53] <kevr> if you bridge over the same device that you get DHCP on in your LAN, you should be able to pull DHCP from the bridge just as if you were on your native device
• 691[03:03:07] <kevr> now say.. if you bridge to a device called eth0 and you're on wireless on a laptop over wlan0 for example, you wouldn't get anything, because the host eth0 isn't being used at all
• 692[03:04:33] <paqcito> kevr: im a new user on ubuntu, how can i check if I selected the correct device?
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• 698[03:05:08] <paqcito> i mean i've fot two options which maybe are the network boards on my computer
• 699[03:05:12] <kevr> It will be in your Virtual Machine's Network settings
• 700[03:05:15] <kevr> right under where you set bridged
• 701[03:05:34] <paqcito> yes i've got two options there
• 702[03:05:35] <kevr> open a terminal, and type this
• 703[03:05:43] <kevr> ip addr list | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' sprunge.us
• 704[03:05:47] <kevr> and give me the link please
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• 706[03:06:28] <kevr> i guess caveman method would just be, try both one at a time
• 707[03:06:48] <paqcito> kevr: curl: (6) couldnt resolve host: sprunge.us
• 708[03:06:53] <kevr> but you can use this ip tool to figure out information about your network devices. `ip addr` gives address information, `ip link` gives link information, and `ip route`, obvious
• 709[03:06:59] <kevr> paqcito: i meant on the host machine
• 710[03:07:04] <kevr> is your host machine Windows or Linux?
• 711[03:07:20] <paqcito> Host machine is Windows
• 712[03:07:26] <kevr> oh.
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• 714[03:07:57] <kevr> perhaps you could go into a cmd.exe prompt, type `ipconfig /all` without the backticks
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• 716[03:08:08] <kevr> and copy+paste that output into a pastebin website so i can check it out
• 717[03:08:09] <sidetracking> downloaded fedora today...
• 718[03:08:14] <sidetracking> debian giving me a headache .__.
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• 720[03:08:58] <kevr> paqcito: honestly, i dont know enough about windows to tell you 100% how to inspect your network configuration, i'm kind of a linux dude
• 721[03:09:13] <kevr> paqcito: if i were you, i would just try booting up with the network device bridged that you're not currently using
• 722[03:09:24] <paqcito> kevr: gotcha
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• 726[03:09:57] <paqcito> kevr: u know i just checked somewhere in control pannel and found im using on the host machine gigabit and i had in the VM another one
• 727[03:10:02] <paqcito> so i just changed to try again
• 728[03:10:08] <kevr> nice.
• 729[03:10:14] <kevr> im sure that'll solve the problem
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• 731[03:10:50] <paqcito> kevr: yes it worked
• 732[03:10:54] <kevr> :)
• 733[03:11:09] <kevr> now, next step, eradicate ubuntu and install debian
• 734[03:11:13] <kevr> YEAHHH!
• 735[03:11:15] <paqcito> kevr: i've been using ubuntu for a couple of days and im alredy in love
• 736[03:11:21] <kevr> haha :)
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• 738[03:11:27] <kevr> (i'm only joking)
• 739[03:11:29] <paqcito> kevr: i mean, like linux, i wanna install debian
• 740[03:11:38] <paqcito> yes i got you
• 741[03:11:42] <sidetracking> i wanna uninstall debian
• 742[03:11:44] <kevr> go at your own pace, i feel ubuntu may be a bit more user friendly for first steps
• 743[03:11:44] <paqcito> but actually i do want to install debian
• 744[03:11:56] <paqcito> yes thats why
• 745[03:11:59] <kevr> :)
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• 747[03:12:14] <paqcito> ill go for debian when i got enough confident with ubuntu
• 748[03:12:20] <paqcito> also i installed the server version
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• 750[03:12:32] <paqcito> 'cause i really want is to become a sysadmin
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• 752[03:12:50] <hipp> paqcito: also try mint ... verry user friendly
• 753[03:12:58] <kevr> to be fair, i would say that server ubuntu is almost just like debian without a window manager installed
• 754[03:13:05] <sidetracking> not true
• 755[03:13:09] <kevr> in difficulty level.
• 756[03:13:13] <sidetracking> packages are super duper easy to mess up on debian
• 757[03:13:41] <kevr> you've never bricked an ubuntu box trying to do wild things with packages?
• 758[03:13:49] <kevr> i've personally had a way better time with debian packages
• 759[03:13:56] <sidetracking> nope
• 760[03:14:07] <paqcito> kevr: how long has been u using debian?
• 761[03:14:16] <sidetracking> im moving to fedora because of the current state of free """software"""
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• 763[03:14:33] <bezaban> sidetracking: how many dist-upgrades have you done?
• 764[03:14:35] <kevr> i don't really use debian on my personal computers, but i use it on all my servers now, i would say probably 8 years or so, maybe a tiny bit more
• 765[03:14:40] <kevr> i mostly use arch linux for my desktop
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• 767[03:14:52] <sidetracking> bezaban only 8 -> 9
• 768[03:14:57] <sidetracking> anyways gotta go
• 769[03:15:03] <bezaban> sidetracking: with lots of ppas?
• 770[03:15:15] <paqcito> kevr: da heck.. r u a sysadmin?
• 771[03:15:33] <kevr> i'm a software engineer, but i'd like to think im pretty good at sysadmin work as well
• 772[03:15:54] <kevr> could be totally wrong about that.. :P
• 773[03:16:27] <kevr> once you start throwing 10 windows domains at me and netscalar gateways, i start getting angry
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• 777[03:18:34] <paqcito> kevr: hahha im pretty sure u r being pretty humble but ok
• 778[03:18:49] <paqcito> kevr: would you have any advice to me on my way to become a sysadmin?
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• 780[03:19:36] <kevr> paqcito: read the crab book, understand what LTS is and why you need it, have a lot of fun playing around with stuff on the network, learn how to run some server applications like apache or nginx, ssh, etc
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• 782[03:19:56] <kevr> probably a good idea to learn postfix
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• 784[03:20:38] <kevr> paqcito: replaced-url
• 785[03:20:40] <kevr> good book
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• 787[03:20:44] <paqcito> kevr: you meant how to set up a mail server? crab book?
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• 789[03:21:16] <kevr> yeah, postfix specifically, just because postfix has a gigantic suite of everything in existence email-wise at the base
• 790[03:21:25] <kevr> for MTA, at least
• 791[03:21:25] <mutante> i would do anything _but_ run your own mail server, as a beginner admin
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• 794[03:21:42] <paqcito> kevr: thanks. I'm going over the linux command line by william shotts rn
• 795[03:21:43] <kevr> mutante: if you never learn, how will you ever know?
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• 797[03:22:37] <paqcito> kevr: I will try it. I dont know if you are in the US, but I'm loooking forward get a job as a Jr SysAdmin
• 798[03:23:03] <kevr> paqcito: i think mutante may be right here, going postfix so early on may be a mistake
• 799[03:23:09] <kevr> it's a bit dense
• 800[03:23:26] <paqcito> gotcha
• 801[03:23:31] <mutante> kevr: i guess so.. it's kind of like throwing a non-swimmer overboard and saying you will you ever learn to swim if you don't learn :)
• 802[03:23:40] <kevr> yeah, i gotcha
• 803[03:23:47] <paqcito> mutante: thanks too
• 804[03:23:56] <paqcito> mutante: are you working as a sysadmin?
• 805[03:24:11] <mutante> paqcito: yep
• 806[03:24:27] <paqcito> mutante: in the US?
• 807[03:24:30] <mutante> pacha: yes
• 808[03:24:36] <mutante> paqcito:
• 809[03:25:03] <paqcito> mutante: What do you think are the skills I have to get to start as a Jr. SysAdmin spot?
• 810[03:25:08] <mutante> nowadays they all talk about 'devops', trying to turn it into a hybrid role. but you don't have to believe in buzzwords :)
• 811[03:25:47] <paqcito> mutante: lol i was reading about it, but i have no idea about developing, only how to make a hello world
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• 814[03:26:53] <kevr> that whole devops thing :/
• 815[03:26:55] <kevr> bleh
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• 819[03:27:57] <mutante> paqcito: hmm, i would say .. if a candidate as junior says they know fundamentals of TCP/IP, like "what is a netmask", "the 7 layers of the OSI model".. "install a webserver" (Apache or nginx).. and maybe one of the configuration management systems (puppet, chef, ansible...)
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• 821[03:28:05] <mutante> then it would sound good
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• 823[03:29:15] <paqcito> mutante: thanks. what about networking? do you think will be enough with the crab book or cnna?
• 824[03:29:18] <paqcito> ccna*
• 825[03:29:25] <mutante> paqcito: i would start with installing Apache, serve a static HTML page,. after you got that working, make a .php script work. next, add a mysql database
• 826[03:29:40] <kevr> "the crab book" :D
• 827[03:29:47] <mutante> since "LAMP-stack" is sooo common
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• 829[03:29:49] <kevr> lingo's catchin on
• 830[03:29:59] <paqcito> kevr: yeah
• 831[03:30:13] <mutante> paqcito: you don't even need full CCNA, there is CCENT which is like junior level of CCNA
• 832[03:30:26] <paqcito> mutante: is really important know database to a sysadmin job?
• 833[03:30:48] <gry> kevr, the spam? mass nick spam? what irc client are you using?
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• 835[03:31:03] <paqcito> gry: irssi ftw
• 836[03:31:27] <mutante> paqcito: yes and no, i would say you are expected to be able to install it, but definitely not the more advanced stuff like replication etc.. there will usually be a specialized DBA for that
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• 838[03:31:44] <kevr> gry: i use weechat
• 839[03:32:22] <paqcito> mutante: gotcha
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• 841[03:32:32] <mutante> paqcito: in general the Cisco certs are good because the entire beginning is Fundamentals of networking rather than Cisco-specific.. and that's good to have
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• 843[03:33:14] <mutante> paqcito: this is made for entry-level replaced-url
• 844[03:33:25] <paqcito> but what do you guys think ccna or crab book? cant go over everything at the same time lol
• 845[03:33:32] <gry> paqcito, for irssi use `wget replaced-url
• 846[03:33:38] <paqcito> mutante: ty ill take a look
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• 849[03:34:12] <paqcito> what about certs are they needed or just knowledge is fine?
• 850[03:34:22] <gry> kevr, for weechat type '/script' and look for mass_hl_blocker, it still shows the spammy messages but at least they do not ping you. if i have an updated version to hide spam messages entirely i will let you know. report bugs to arza@arza.us
• 851[03:35:04] <mutante> paqcito: depends on who is hiring, but being able to just demonstrate knowledge and how people work is more important
• 852[03:35:48] <paqcito> i was thinking about reading UNIX and Linux System Administration Handbook and The Practice of System and Network Administration or Networking for Systems Administrators ?
• 853[03:35:54] <mutante> paqcito: what happened to me is .. most of the "interview" was just a test.. they said "here's a laptop, this is the issue, try to fix it" and they wanted to watch HOW i approach it
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• 855[03:36:25] <paqcito> mutante: gotcha, so knowledge is the most important tool
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• 857[03:36:39] <mutante> paqcito: yes, and also ...everybody looks up stuff all day, but you need to know _how_ to be effective at searching
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• 859[03:37:27] <paqcito> mutante: yeah
• 860[03:37:52] <kevr> gry: oh, some self-promotion here aye? Hey, neat -- good job
• 861[03:37:55] <kevr> ;)
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• 863[03:38:16] <paqcito> well as i told you i was thinking about read those books, but dunno if its a good idea, also to head into networking dunno what is better, cisco, or those tcp/ip books
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• 865[03:38:54] <mutante> paqcito: final tip for now.. it works really good to learn yourself while helping others. first just idle in channels like here and #linux for a while and just read.. after some time you will see a beginner question you already know. then you can start helping others.. then you will start to look up questions that you wanna know yourself.. and learn while yo do it. win-win
• 866[03:39:48] <mutante> pacha: cisco and "tcp/ip" books is almost the same content.. until you get to higher levels than CCENT
• 867[03:39:58] <mutante> sorry, keep pinging the wrong nick
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• 872[03:42:04] <paqcito> mutante: thanks. actually helping others has been working for me very well.
• 873[03:42:05] <paqcito> thanks
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• 883[03:45:13] <vfw> /join ##linux
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• 890[03:46:36] <vfw> but don't put a space in front of it like I did.... Only do it if you want to show someone the command ;)
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• 894[03:47:10] <vfw> In my case, it was simply a mistake.
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• 900[03:50:11] <CarlFK> sudo apt install build-essential ... Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed
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• 905[03:52:22] <CarlFK> how do I fix that?
• 906[03:53:19] <rjsalts> CarlFK: apt-cache policy build-essential and apt-cache policy libc6-dev
• 907[03:53:55] <bezaban> CarlFK: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit
• 908[03:54:08] <bezaban> assuming pastebinit is installed
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• 910[03:54:56] <CarlFK> replaced-url
• 911[03:55:16] <CarlFK> (dont worry, different box
• 912[03:55:30] <CarlFK> i doubled checked: juser@gator:~$ uname -a ... Linux gator 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2 (2017-06-12) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 913[03:56:00] <edju> kmail will not send mail. error reads "server does not accept Plain Text authentication. but it does. any tips.pointers appreciated..
• 914[03:56:22] <bezaban> edju: does telnet work? what port/protocol?
• 915[03:56:30] <rjsalts> edju: does it require TLS before trying auth?
• 916[03:56:49] <rjsalts> edju: with plain/login that is
• 917[03:57:17] <edju> bezaban, telnet? just a minute.
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• 921[03:58:07] <bezaban> edju: you can test sending mail with telnet and see if it requires STARTTLS or AUTH. 25 are optional, the higher port requires auth, but not TLS
• 922[03:58:19] <bezaban> (per rfc) 465?
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• 924[03:59:21] <rjsalts> port 465 is not related to any rfc, it's a deprecated method used by Outlook/Outlook Express from many eons ago
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• 927[03:59:36] <themill> CarlFK: can you pastebin "apt-get install libc6-dev"
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• 929[03:59:48] <bezaban> CarlFK: can try a dist-upgrade (or reboot if you've upgraded kernel) libc and kernel are closely realated
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• 931[04:00:01] <themill> o-0
• 932[04:00:08] <bezaban> rjsalts: correct, but still widely used :(
• 933[04:00:13] <rjsalts> the agreed upon method is starttls, and on port 587 for submission to get around firewalls that block port 25 on residential ips
• 934[04:00:21] <themill> CarlFK: btw mixing stretch and sid isn't a good idea
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• 936[04:00:53] <edju> bezaban, I tried telnet to a couple - connection refused. Know who to telnet to?
• 937[04:01:27] <bezaban> edju: smtp server and port. if you can't reach it, it looks like a networking problem
• 938[04:01:42] <bezaban> edju: make sure you specified port on the telnet command line
• 939[04:01:42] <rjsalts> edju: but you can test starttls with openssl s_client -connect smtpserver:587 -starttls smtp or smtpserver:25 or whatever
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• 941[04:02:09] <edju> rjsalts, no, not tls - ssl
• 942[04:02:17] <bezaban> rjsalts approach works too assuming it requires TLS and not just auth
• 943[04:02:43] <CarlFK> themill: grumble. sid wasn't my idea. I'll pull that out. but first... libc6-dev : Depends: libc6 (= 2.24-11) but 2.24-11+deb9u1 is to be installed
• 944[04:03:00] <bezaban> it's called starttls, but that may be inprecise as it also does SSL
• 945[04:03:16] <edju> and it is port 465
• 946[04:03:17] <bezaban> unprecise?
• 947[04:03:20] <bezaban> doesn't matter
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• 950[04:04:01] <rjsalts> CarlFK: apt-get update? or have the security sources been removed from sources.list
• 951[04:04:25] <bezaban> better telnet and check capabilities before guessing
• 952[04:04:34] <bezaban> and/or requirements
• 953[04:04:47] <CarlFK> rjsalts: the whole sources.list got replaced by an ansible hammer
• 954[04:04:53] <rjsalts> CarlFK: I didn't see them in your pastebin before
• 955[04:05:13] <CarlFK> (which I am going to remove becuase .. duh.
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• 957[04:06:32] <rjsalts> CarlFK: so it looks like you may have installed libc6 from security update, but now don't have the security sources and therefore can't install libc6-dev because your libc6 version is newer (from security)
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• 961[04:07:28] <missmbob> !stretch sources.list
• 962[04:07:28] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 964[04:07:47] <CarlFK> rjsalts: sounds plausible.
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• 968[04:10:46] <CarlFK> themill: rjsalts: Setting up build-essential (12.3) - all set. thanks
• 969[04:13:12] <rjsalts> edju: swaks is good too, for testing email stuff
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• 991[04:24:26] <edju> rjsalts, the swaks description reads "If you are spending too much time iterating "telnet foo.example 25 swaks is for you." I've just tried telnetting to a # of ip's, so - thanks a lot.
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• 993[04:25:04] <edju> rjsalts, installing it now.
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• 1007[04:31:32] <sillygoose> Hey, can someone help me with some install issues?
• 1008[04:31:52] <dvs> !ask
• 1009[04:31:53] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 1014[04:34:51] <sillygoose> I'm doing a fresh install but I'm getting a "timer not connected to apic" bug on boot and my monitor won't display anything
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• 1017[04:37:01] <dvs> !noapic
• 1018[04:37:01] <dpkg> From the Linux Kernel Parameters documentation (<kernel-params>): noapic - [SMP,APIC] Tells the kernel to not make use of any IOAPICs that may be present in the system.
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• 1023[04:37:38] <sillygoose> Yes, but I can't edit any files to say noapic
• 1024[04:37:50] <sillygoose> I can't do anything beyond the grub boot menu
• 1025[04:39:32] <dvs> sillygoose, you should be able to add linux boot parameters at the "boot:" promtp
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• 1030[04:40:46] <sillygoose> How would I do that? Adding noapix
• 1031[04:41:10] <sillygoose> Noapic to the config menu just results in "command but recognized"
• 1032[04:41:25] <sillygoose> Not*, sorry.
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• 1036[04:43:38] <dvs> sillygoose, I'm not sure how to do that without the installer in front of me.
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• 1039[04:44:20] <maher> sillygoose: is this booting the installer or have you already installed?
• 1040[04:44:28] <sillygoose> Already installed
• 1041[04:44:42] <sillygoose> This is the GRUB setparams menu
• 1042[04:45:11] <sillygoose> Are you saying I could add noapic as an option from the installer?
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• 1044[04:45:40] <maher> sillygoose: when you are in the grub boot screen choose the second option and you should be able to manually add kernel boot options
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• 1047[04:46:29] <sillygoose> "Advanced options for debian gnu/linux", correct?
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• 1051[04:47:31] <maher> sillygoose: yes - I don't offhand remember exactly how to do it, but have a look
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• 1056[04:49:33] <sillygoose> Selecting that brings me to two options: debian gnu/linux, with Linux 4.9.0-3-686-pae and the same with "(recovery mode)"
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• 1058[04:50:32] <Guest18766> Hey, I just did "apt-get clean" instead of "apt-get autoclean". Package cache completely emptied of files. What now?
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• 1060[04:51:02] <Sabotender> how do I install x86_64 to facilitate cross compiling? I am getting the error: /bin/sh: 1: mipsel-linux-gcc: not found
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• 1062[04:51:21] <maher> Guest18766: just carry on
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• 1066[04:52:46] <maher> sillygoose: replaced-url
• 1067[04:53:00] <Guest18766> Just hope I never need packages no longer in the repos, like if I need to downgrade or something.
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• 1069[04:53:45] <maher> Guest18766: everything is preserved for ever here: replaced-url
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• 1071[04:53:54] <missmbob> !shapshots
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• 1074[04:54:42] <Sabotender> anyone?
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• 1077[04:55:26] <gry> Sabotender, what is the output of `which mipsel-uclibc-gcc`?
• 1078[04:55:59] <Guest18766> maher: Thanks! Didn't know that existed.
• 1079[04:56:19] <Sabotender> gry: nothing
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• 1086[04:58:35] <maher> Sabotender: what arch are you on? what do you want to compile for?
• 1087[04:58:47] <sillygoose> maher Thanks for the help, still requires a bit of fiddling though
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• 1092[05:00:05] <maher> sillygoose: once you have found boot options that work you can add them to the grub config so they are added automatically
• 1093[05:00:50] <sillygoose> I don't get the noapic bug but my monitor still loses input.
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• 1095[05:02:17] <maher> sillygoose: not sure - install sshd on the machine so at least you can log in and look at the logs
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• 1105[05:10:21] <P4t0l1n0420> Hi
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• 1107[05:11:19] <Guest18766> Is there a way to "--download only" reinstall the system, so that all packages on the system are downloaded to the package cache, but not re-installed?
• 1108[05:11:51] <themill> 'aptitude download ~i'
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• 1111[05:13:16] <Guest18766> themill: okay, let me look that up.
• 1112[05:14:46] <Guest18766> themill: BTW, did you mean 'aptitude download ~i', or 'aptitude download -i'?
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• 1132[05:27:59] <gry> kevr, :)
• 1133[05:29:01] <somiaj> Guest18766: ~i, that means all isntalled packages to aptitude
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• 1139[05:39:57] <Guest18766> somiaj: Okay, thanks.
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• 1141[05:40:59] <cheapie> "Error: pattern not supported by this subcommand: '~i'"
• 1142[05:41:15] <cheapie> (I don't need it to work, I just figured I'd try it)
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• 1147[05:43:52] <cheapie> "aptitude reinstall ~i --download-only" seems to work.
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• 1150[05:47:18] <ryouma> recently, it takes 30 seconds to log in to root (e.g. using su - so i can do a session for a bit). it used to take 1s. was there a security update in jessie recently that changes login?
• 1151[05:47:37] <cheapie> (or at least it sat there for about 30 seconds copying 1.4GB of stuff into the cache, which is I think the behavior you wanted?)
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• 1158[05:52:03] <maher> ryouma: I haven't noticed any change in su
• 1159[05:52:50] <ryouma> maher: thanks. i wonder why it takes so long to log in, and why so suddenly this changed.
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• 1163[05:53:50] <oerheks> ryouma, use the -vvv option to see what is taking so long, my bet is could be scripts in /etc/update-motd.d
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• 1168[05:54:58] <ryouma> su -vvv -?
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• 1175[05:56:00] <oerheks> oh, i was thinking of ssh -vvv ...
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• 1181[05:57:06] <codebam> is vim/gvim not compiled with 256 colour support?
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• 1184[05:57:46] <codebam> I just noticed, when trying to apply colorschemes with a supported terminal which has 256 support (tested using a python script) it's not displaying colorschemes correctly
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• 1195[06:08:07] <jasonwc> Is there any ETA on a patch for the critical security vulnerabilities patched in OpenVPN 2.4.3? I see that Ubuntu has already posted a patch
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• 1201[06:13:47] <codebam> fixed it
• 1202[06:13:48] <codebam> my bad
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• 1205[06:14:39] <Tonkadoro> Hey dorks.
• 1206[06:16:23] <codebam> Tonkadoro: is that an acronym for something? like idk...
• 1207[06:16:51] <Tonkadoro> codebam, no acronym.
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• 1209[06:17:02] <codebam> yeah but I want to come up with one now
• 1210[06:17:10] <codebam> something that starts with Debian
• 1211[06:17:14] <Tonkadoro> Ohh, this will be fun.
• 1212[06:17:24] <Tonkadoro> recursive?
• 1213[06:17:51] <codebam> sure why not
• 1214[06:18:20] <Tonkadoro> what do you got?
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• 1216[06:19:48] <codebam> dorks of relatively knowledgeble sources
• 1217[06:19:52] <codebam> not very good
• 1218[06:20:17] <codebam> it doesn't actually make much sense
• 1219[06:20:22] <Tonk> its a start
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• 1221[06:21:35] <Tonk> I'm too tired to play word games.
• 1222[06:22:09] <codebam> dorks only really know something
• 1223[06:22:14] <codebam> that's not bad
• 1224[06:22:27] <Tonk> I like it.
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• 1226[06:22:41] <codebam> not sure what to use for the last word, but it's cool
• 1227[06:24:08] <Tonk> I liberated 230$ worth car parts today; and i'm conflicted about it.
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• 1232[06:29:10] <jmcnaught> jasonwc: replaced-url
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• 1236[06:30:14] <radw62> hello , I install deb 9 but apt update returns some Hash Sum mismatches
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• 1240[06:33:32] <jmcnaught> radw62: can you show the output of the command you're using on replaced-url
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• 1245[06:37:14] <codebam> has the stack clash issue been fixed in debian?
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• 1249[06:40:07] <radw62> jmcnaught: yes I did apt update according to replaced-url
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• 1252[06:42:05] <radw62> replaced-url
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• 1261[06:47:02] <radw62> I also changed different country mirrors, but leads to the same error
• 1262[06:47:21] <jmcnaught> radw62: you could try changing your sources to user different server, like replaced-url
• 1263[06:47:27] <radw62> Im using proxy for apt
• 1264[06:47:34] <jmcnaught> what is the proxy?
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• 1268[06:49:10] <jmcnaught> and does it work without the proxy?
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• 1271[06:53:12] <radw62> CDN gave me the same hash mistmatch, Im trying with https at the end of doc
• 1272[06:53:30] <radw62> my proxy is http and ftp
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• 1282[06:57:56] <Agro> hi there, i've installed stretch, and a .deb file i am trying to install with `dpkg -i` needs libssl1.0.0. i checked the packages and its not available for stretch (replaced-url
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• 1286[06:59:47] <jelly> Agro: which .deb package is it? you'd have to enable repos for jessie to get libssl1.0.0 back
• 1287[07:00:02] <xfile> replaced-url
• 1288[07:00:39] <jelly> no need to go that far
• 1289[07:01:18] <Agro> its a deb file for a blockchain client i downloaded
• 1290[07:01:32] <Agro> so would i just add backports to my sources.list.d
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• 1292[07:01:58] <jelly> codebam: you can look up specific CVE numbers on replaced-url
• 1293[07:02:06] <codebam> oh cool
• 1294[07:02:11] <codebam> thanks
• 1295[07:02:15] <xfile> Agro yap
• 1296[07:02:25] <Agro> awesome, thanks for the help guys
• 1297[07:02:36] <jelly> Agro: what backports? jessie sources.
• 1298[07:02:44] <jelly> !jessie sources.list
• 1299[07:02:44] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 1300[07:03:01] <Agro> oh ok
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• 1302[07:03:04] <jelly> this is the opposite of backports
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• 1304[07:03:12] <Agro> could you explain what jessie-backports is
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• 1306[07:03:20] <Agro> i've used it a couple of times but i never understood what it was
• 1307[07:03:28] <jelly> !backports
• 1308[07:03:28] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
• 1309[07:03:36] <Agro> thanks haha
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• 1311[07:03:59] <jelly> right now you seem to have a goal of getting a package from older branch into your newer installation
• 1312[07:04:38] <jelly> Agro: which blockchain client specifically?
• 1313[07:04:41] <Agro> parity
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• 1315[07:04:47] <Agro> for ethereum
• 1316[07:05:09] <Agro> ive been running it for a long time but im upgrading to stretch now
• 1317[07:05:14] <rpifan> is that that new coin
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• 1319[07:05:16] <jelly> consider asking them to provide a build for stretch, or build it yourself
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• 1321[07:05:41] <Agro> got it, any idea why libssl1.0.0 hasnt made it to stretch? or is it a different name
• 1322[07:06:33] <jelly> openssl libraries ABI changed significantly, so the package names changed as well
• 1323[07:06:46] <Agro> ahh
• 1324[07:06:57] <jelly> there's libssl1.1 and libssl1.0.2
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• 1327[07:07:43] <Agro> got it, for now i'll pull from jessie
• 1328[07:07:51] <Agro> and i'll make an issue about that and see what they say
• 1329[07:08:25] <Agro> thanks for the help and info
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• 1331[07:09:09] <xfile> Agro have a good day brother :) u welcome :)
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• 1570[07:21:28] <leibniz> can someone help me install php
• 1571[07:21:33] <leibniz> on debian jessie
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• 1577[07:23:15] <gry> why not
• 1578[07:23:44] <jmcnaught> leibniz: how do you want to use php? the easiest is to install libapache2-mod-php5 (which will install apache2). If this is a new project, you may consider starting it on stretch which has php 7, jessie has php 5.6
• 1579[07:24:05] <leibniz> yea
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• 1581[07:24:12] <leibniz> ok i am not sure what i want to do with it yet
• 1582[07:24:17] <leibniz> i just want to install the lamp
• 1583[07:24:25] <leibniz> because i want to learn php and ruby
• 1584[07:24:30] <leibniz> and mysql
• 1585[07:24:34] <gry> sure go ahead
• 1586[07:24:46] <leibniz> and i can't figured out how to install php
• 1587[07:24:48] <leibniz> it's not working
• 1588[07:24:54] <gry> why not?
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• 1592[07:25:18] <jmcnaught> leibniz: show us what you did, and the errors that you get, on the debian paste site please
• 1593[07:25:32] <leibniz> replaced-url
• 1594[07:25:38] <leibniz> ok hold on
• 1595[07:25:45] <leibniz> i followed those directions to the t
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• 1606[07:29:59] <leibniz> and i don't get an error message
• 1607[07:30:10] <leibniz> just when i load the phpinfo it doesn't show the info :O
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• 1614[07:34:15] <leibniz> nm
• 1615[07:34:19] <leibniz> i fixed it
• 1616[07:34:21] <leibniz> sorry
• 1617[07:34:23] <leibniz> lol
• 1618[07:34:40] <jelly> and how did you fix it
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• 1731[07:49:13] <Agro> jelly if i add the jessie repos, say i install another package, will it prioritize the stretch repos i already have over the jessie repos?
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• 1733[07:49:53] <Agro> if the package is in both
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• 1739[07:54:35] <rjsalts> Agro: it will go for the highest version unless you have some kind of pinning
• 1740[07:55:41] <Agro> ah ok, are packages usually not updated in jessie after stretch is out anymore?
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• 1758[08:08:49] <jmcnaught> Agro: oldstable usually gets one year of security support after a new stable release, and there is also the LTS long term support project
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• 1797[08:35:47] <dionysus69> oh just realized, stretch is the new stable yayy :D
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• 1799[08:36:20] <dionysus69> wondered why updates weren't flowing in xD
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• 1849[09:06:50] <codebam> I installed fonts in ~/.local/share/fonts and refreshed the font cache, they seem to be getting detected by fc-cache according to the log output of -v, but when I use fc-list to try to select a font it isn't finding the font I installed
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• 1853[09:07:10] <codebam> am I doing something wrong?
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• 1868[09:10:28] <towo^work> codebam, put them in ~/.fonts
• 1869[09:10:42] <codebam> that's legacy, no?
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• 1871[09:11:25] <nix64bit> replaced-url
• 1872[09:11:35] <towo^work> codebam, it works
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• 1879[09:12:20] <codebam> towo^work: that didn't fix it
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• 1881[09:12:32] <codebam> still not being detected by fc-list
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• 1883[09:13:46] <towo^work> it is working here
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• 1885[09:13:48] <towo^work> since ages
• 1886[09:14:07] <codebam> so why is it not working on my machine?
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• 1939[09:36:08] <whosthatgirl> Hey guys, just a quick-q: can "sftp" client be used to test an ftp connection, say vsftpd for example?
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• 1949[09:40:46] <nix64bit> whosthatgirl: what do you want to do with ftp?
• 1950[09:41:46] <rudi_s> whosthatgirl: No, different protocol. sftp is only for SSH.
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• 1956[09:44:12] <caipiblack> Hi guy's, I am runnung a debian on virtualbox, my disk is set as "dynamically size allocated" so, the virtual hardrive size will expend if requiered. But, in fact it doesn't: Maybe the debian see a harddrive of 8Go, but doesn't know that it can exepend so I have warnings about "low space" and i am not able to install softwares.
• 1957[09:44:23] <caipiblack> Did someone know a fix for that ?
• 1958[09:44:28] <codebam> whosthatgirl: use "ftp". you probably already have it installed
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• 1960[09:45:29] <codebam> caipiblack: that's not how a dynamically sized disk works
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• 1965[09:46:09] <caipiblack> ?
• 1966[09:46:09] <codebam> if you set the size of the dynamically sized disk image to say 8GB for example. it would start off as maybe a few hundred MB, expanding in size as you filled it up
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• 1968[09:46:27] <codebam> to a maximum of 8GB
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• 1970[09:47:18] <codebam> it does not exceed what you set the size to when you created the image. if you want to make it larger you'll have to change it's size and then expand the partition. that's out of scope for this channel though
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• 2024[10:16:07] <whosthatgirl> rudi_s: ah thanks, just wanted to confirm as I've set up a restricted directory with vsftp but not ssh, testing with filezilla looked fine but not sftp, just wanted some clarity on that
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• 2026[10:16:12] <whosthatgirl> thanks everyone else as well :)
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• 2031[10:18:45] <lix> hi. since upgrading to debian stretch, my mutt/gpg sometimes doesn't encrypt sent mails to myself, depending on the recipient. this is *very* annoying. anyone knows how to fix this? (of course "--encrypt-to" is correctly set in .muttrc)
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• 2035[10:20:12] <rudi_s> lix: gpgme vs. pgp? /usr/share/doc/mutt/NEWS.Debian.gz
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• 2046[10:25:28] <lix> rudi_s: mhmm. will check that. thanks
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• 2054[10:32:29] <dionysus69> heeelp
• 2055[10:32:40] <dionysus69> I have postgresql running but rails cant access it
• 2056[10:33:02] <dionysus69> happened after I changed stuff yesterday which delayed its start for 30 seconds or so
• 2057[10:33:18] <dionysus69> but service status is active and runnning as systemctl reports
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• 2062[10:34:01] <jonty> @dionysys can you 'telnet localhost 5432'
• 2063[10:34:04] <lix> rudi_s: gpgme doesn't seem to be the reason. - most of the time works fine to encrypt to self. just fails on *some* keys. I suspect it depends the algorithm of the recipients key, then gpg interrupts and does not encrypt to any further, - e.g. self, - key...
• 2064[10:34:11] <hellyeah> anyone here try to mount iphone on debian. I got error unhandled lockeddown error -256 what can i do for that?
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• 2068[10:36:22] <dionysus69> jonty: connection refused :S
• 2069[10:36:27] <dionysus69> unable to connecto to remote host
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• 2071[10:38:25] <jonty> @dionnysus69, perhaps a firewall is running ?
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• 2075[10:39:09] <jonty> @dionnysus69 postgres should be listening on that port, netstat -tulplna|grep postgres should confirm that, if you can't attach it is most likely a firewall blocking
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• 2078[10:39:58] <dionysus69> its my local deb machine
• 2079[10:40:02] <dionysus69> doesnt have firewall at all
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• 2081[10:40:18] <dionysus69> dev machine, not remote
• 2082[10:40:24] <jonty> so 'iptables -L -n' is empty and all set to accept?
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• 2084[10:41:02] <dionysus69> tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5433 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 22843/postgres
• 2085[10:41:06] <dionysus69> does that sound about right?
• 2086[10:41:15] <dionysus69> thing is yesterday I deleted postgres 9.5
• 2087[10:41:20] <dionysus69> now 9.6 is running
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• 2089[10:41:30] <dionysus69> i dont have iptables installed at all
• 2090[10:41:40] <dionysus69> oh I do actually
• 2091[10:41:47] <jonty> I know :)
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• 2093[10:42:29] <codebam> iptables is installed by default :) for security
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• 2095[10:44:28] <dionysus69> jonty: yep all policies are set to accept
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• 2098[10:45:55] <jonty> @dionysus69, well netstat shows you are running postgres on port 5433,but I believe it should be 5432 - do you have a port configured in your ruby app?
• 2099[10:46:11] <jonty> try 'telnet localhost 5433' and see if that attaches
• 2100[10:46:11] <dionysus69> yep rails expects default port
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• 2103[10:46:30] <jonty> perhaps that is the problem then, I think 5432 is the default
• 2104[10:46:31] <dionysus69> I guess psql 9.6 was assigned 5433 because 9.5 was using 127.0.0.1:5432
• 2105[10:46:36] <jonty> good thought
• 2106[10:46:38] <dionysus69> how do I reassign to default ? :D
• 2107[10:46:51] <jonty> mmm, probably stated in the postgres config file
• 2108[10:46:57] <jonty> search for 5433 ;)
• 2109[10:47:08] <dionysus69> how ? :D i am not that good with bash :P
• 2110[10:47:24] <jonty> grep 5433 /etc/postgres/what-ever-the-config-is-called :)
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• 2112[10:48:32] <dionysus69> jonty found it thanks I ll change it save and restart service see what will happen
• 2113[10:48:33] <dionysus69> !
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• 2115[10:49:11] <jonty> @dionysus69, great!
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• 2118[10:49:32] <jonty> just make sure the old version is disabled/removed/dead etc so they don't clash
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• 2121[10:50:15] <dionysus69> oh wow, the configuration didnt persist
• 2122[10:50:26] <dionysus69> so all the roles and dbs were deleted along with 9.5
• 2123[10:50:43] <dionysus69> good i didnt discover this behaviour on production server :D
• 2124[10:50:58] <jonty> lol, that is why we test :)
• 2125[10:51:02] <dionysus69> I fully removed old version so service is removed too
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• 2127[10:51:14] <jonty> But I am surprised. most upgrades 'do no harm'
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• 2144[10:58:32] <dionysus69> dunno what's wrong really
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• 2150[11:02:07] <sam0> hello all, I would like to know if someone has problems with APT resolving debian domains after upgrade to strech. The weirdest part is that I resolve correctly the mirrors ftp.xx.debian.org or security.debian.org outside APT but apt update tells me "temporary failure resolving" .... the traces are here : replaced-url
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• 2155[11:03:47] <petn-randall> sam0: Looks like you can either not reach your upstream servers (10.x.x.x), or they aren't reliable.
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• 2157[11:03:58] <IchGucksLive> hi im installing debian
• 2158[11:04:06] <IchGucksLive> there is a windows partition first
• 2159[11:04:17] <IchGucksLive> where shoudt i set the boot flag
• 2160[11:04:28] <sam0> petn-randall: yes this is why I also joined the dig output for security.debian.org and ftp.fr.debian.org
• 2161[11:04:35] <IchGucksLive> to the windows or to the second Root partition
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• 2163[11:04:42] <sam0> petn-randall: they are well resolved by dig, and by my upstream servers
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• 2165[11:05:02] <petn-randall> sam0: And this problem is reproducible? Or just a one-off?
• 2166[11:05:07] <sam0> petn-randall: so dig can reach them but not APT ? weird
• 2167[11:05:20] <petn-randall> IchGucksLive: The boot flag is irrelevant for booting.
• 2168[11:05:41] <IchGucksLive> petn-randall: so no to all partitions
• 2169[11:05:41] <sam0> petn-randall: I did 2 dist-upgrades of my VM from jessie and I have the same issue
• 2170[11:05:41] <petn-randall> IchGucksLive: Do you have an issue with installing the system? If yes, it's better to tell us about it.
• 2171[11:05:55] <IchGucksLive> no clen mashine
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• 2174[11:06:03] <IchGucksLive> first install
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• 2178[11:06:19] <IchGucksLive> but i ned a fat32 part to get fata to it
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• 2180[11:07:19] <IchGucksLive> ok thanks for the info
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• 2183[11:08:59] <lix> rudi_s: thanks for pointing me to the correct file. indeed the setting "set pgp_encrypt_self=yes" was missing. - have a good day, Sir!
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• 2189[11:09:59] <petn-randall> sam0: You could capture the DNS traffic and see what queries apt is giving.
• 2190[11:10:18] <petn-randall> s/giving/sending and receiving/
• 2191[11:10:24] <rudi_s> You're welcome.
• 2192[11:10:37] <sam0> petn-randall: I'll try that
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• 2194[11:10:51] <jonty> @sam0 - any chance you are trying to connect via ipv6 and failing?
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• 2197[11:12:22] <Dagger> sam0: `dig` only does DNS. try `getent ahosts <domain>`
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• 2199[11:12:22] <petn-randall> jonty: Good point, it could be that the AAAA records are failing to resolve.
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• 2202[11:13:07] <istevenmon> i updated my debian and root cant do anything. i had to give / 777 to let me do anything
• 2203[11:13:33] <petn-randall> istevenmon: Can you show us some example output?
• 2204[11:13:39] <petn-randall> istevenmon: replaced-url
• 2205[11:14:12] <petn-randall> istevenmon: You can probably reinstall if you really ran chmod 777 on / recursively.
• 2206[11:14:21] <istevenmon> i already rebooted and it works now. but i think an update for the systemd screws the system
• 2207[11:14:50] <petn-randall> istevenmon: I highly doubt it.
• 2208[11:15:04] <sam0> Dagger: no output at all
• 2209[11:15:07] <petn-randall> istevenmon: Again, show us some actual output that shows your problem.
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• 2214[11:16:11] <jonty> @istevenmon - and make sure you're not mounted root RO due to a background f/s error
• 2215[11:16:42] <petn-randall> jonty: If it was mounted r/o, a chmod 777 would have failed, too.
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• 2219[11:17:32] <jonty> @petn-randall - good point
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• 2226[11:20:12] <istevenmon> it was not chmod recursive 777, it was only to the . in the root directory
• 2227[11:20:20] <istevenmon> again i changed it to 777 and rebooted
• 2228[11:20:30] <istevenmon> now i can change it back to 755 and it works
• 2229[11:20:42] <petn-randall> istevenmon: I guess it wasn't relevant to your problem then.
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• 2234[11:21:05] <istevenmon> it is the second time that happens after an update
• 2235[11:21:38] <petn-randall> istevenmon: How does the problem show? What do you run, what output do you get, what did you expect?
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• 2237[11:21:59] <petn-randall> !ask
• 2238[11:22:00] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 2239[11:22:03] <petn-randall> istevenmon: ^^^
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• 2241[11:23:36] <istevenmon> i thought it was a reported bug or something. if i get the same problem again i will surely document everything i have done and the error
• 2242[11:23:55] <petn-randall> istevenmon: You could at least describe the problem you saw ...
• 2243[11:24:51] <Dagger> sam0: then something's up with name resolution, you might want to take a look at "dns" in /etc/nsswitch.conf
• 2244[11:24:56] <petn-randall> istevenmon: You said "i updated my debian and root cant do anything." Define "anything".
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• 2249[11:25:17] <istevenmon> after the update, root couldnt create/copy files to the entire filesystem (permission denied), not even tmp. the / was mounted as 755 so I had to change to 777 to be able to create/copy files
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• 2251[11:25:32] <petn-randall> I see.
• 2252[11:25:35] <Dagger> sam0: also do try `dig security.debian.org AAAA`. if that returns NXDOMAIN then your DNS servers are broken
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• 2258[11:26:07] <sam0> Dagger: replaced-url
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• 2261[11:26:34] <petn-randall> istevenmon: However, the permissions for / are irrelevant if root tries to write anywhere else than /. If you tried to write to /root/, the permissions of /root/ are the only ones that are evaluated.
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• 2266[11:27:57] <istevenmon> i tried to write to all the filesystems and i couldnt because i got permission denied, once I changed / to 777 i didnt matter where i wanted to write I could do it. Once i rebooted I changed back to 755 and everything works as expected
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• 2290[11:31:01] <Dagger> sam0: more or less matches mine
• 2291[11:31:21] <sam0> Dagger: that's a really weird problem ... ><
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• 2419[11:35:17] <Dagger> sam0: try the AAAA query
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• 2440[11:37:13] <sam0> Dagger : Wow I resolved the problem I think
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• 2446[11:37:51] <techie28> my system started behaving abnormal
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• 2450[11:38:02] <techie28> I have installed stretch
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• 2452[11:38:18] <petn-randall> istevenmon: Hmm, ok. If it happens again, let us know about it so we can debug it. There's a possibility that it's a bug in Debian, and I'm sure we'd like to find it.
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• 2456[11:38:38] <sam0> Dagger , petn-randall : I changed my DNS to 8.8.8.8 then I did apt update, it was ok. Then I replaced 8.8.8.8 by my corporate DNS and .... it worked
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• 2461[11:39:20] <istevenmon> petn-randall: will do!
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• 2465[11:40:08] <sam0> that's the weirdest bug I ever had
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• 2509[11:48:28] <techie28> I think I have a broken system.. I installed Debian Stretch recently and then installed few software like some CLI
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• 2515[11:49:57] <techie28> It was working all fine till today when after login I saw that I am no longer able to minimise or maximize browser or system Windows (settings)
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• 2517[11:51:03] <techie28> Also doesnt show close buttons and keys short cut like Alt Tab or CTRL tab do not work any more
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• 2521[11:51:32] <techie28> Have I broken the system here?
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• 2542[12:00:30] <techie28> a guy used my system for sometime but I doubt he can do anything via Linux CLI
• 2543[12:00:57] <techie28> can I just use my old sources.list file and revert back to Debian 8?
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• 2549[12:03:28] <techie28> version command says Debian 9
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• 2551[12:04:12] <techie28> but I m unable to do simple things like maximize minimize the browser/system windows
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• 2555[12:06:55] <forcerecon> I have a multimonitor setup and the main monitor in the middle has a couple icons on it. This is the way I like it.. However, the other two on the outside don't have any icons or panels. I understand how to add a panel to the monitors on the outside, but they contain no features when you do it. There is no clock and when you open a application on that screen even when you minimize it does not go to the panel on that screen but minimized
• 2556[12:06:55] <forcerecon> to the main screen panel.. Is there any way to change this behaviour so that applications minimize to their respective panels
• 2557[12:07:34] <forcerecon> I am using debian 9 cinnamon 3.27 4.9.0-3-amd64
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• 2611[12:22:00] <techie28> here is my sources.list
• 2612[12:22:02] <techie28> replaced-url
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• 2616[12:22:50] <towo^work> techie28, and what's with that?
• 2617[12:22:53] <techie28> and I was using this replaced-url
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• 2619[12:23:30] <towo^work> and fourther?
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• 2622[12:23:53] <techie28> towo^work: I think I have broken my distro after installing Debian Stretch
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• 2624[12:24:00] <babilen> techie28: You shouldn't follow random internet sources, but the process detailed in the release notes: replaced-url
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• 2627[12:24:11] <techie28> I installed it recently and it was working all fine
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• 2630[12:24:20] <towo^work> broken in which case?
• 2631[12:24:21] <babilen> So, what is the problem now?
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• 2633[12:25:36] <techie28> then I installed some CLI's like terminator etc.. I was out for sometime and did not use the system..after turning it ON today I am no longer able to Maximise/minimise Browser and system windows
• 2634[12:26:00] <techie28> key short cuts like ALT + TAB and CTRL +TAB are no longer working
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• 2636[12:26:45] <techie28> a guy was using my system at my back but I doubt he can make any changes using LINUX CLI
• 2637[12:26:54] <toruvinn> /lshn/lc
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• 2639[12:26:57] <toruvinn> oops
• 2640[12:27:14] <techie28> babilen: I was just referring to the steps
• 2641[12:27:41] <babilen> yes, the upgrade process is detailed in the release notes. If you want to follow a "tutorial" you should follow that one
• 2642[12:28:03] <techie28> I m trying to diagnose the cause of it behaving badly
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• 2645[12:28:18] <techie28> have I botched up the upgrade?
• 2646[12:28:30] <techie28> M sorry m not very well versed with Linux
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• 2648[12:28:38] <debbuser> hello., can someone tell me what package is used to provide a desktop indicator for LXDE in Debian Stretch live iso ?
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• 2651[12:28:48] <debbuser> for keyboard layout *
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• 2657[12:30:27] <EFPS> HI can i change the default filebrowser
• 2658[12:30:59] <techie28> towo^work: any ideas please??
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• 2663[12:31:34] <towo^work> from where i should? you haven't provide any relevant info yet
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• 2666[12:32:35] <techie28> relevant info?
• 2667[12:32:37] <techie28> replaced-url
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• 2671[12:33:05] <techie28> this is my sources.list I had just pasted stretch
• 2672[12:33:18] <techie28> this is my sources.list I had just pasted "stretch" in there
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• 2675[12:34:32] <petn-randall> techie28: I can't see any connection between your problem and the fact that you upgraded the system. Unless you say it happened directly after upgrade.
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• 2679[12:35:59] <madonius> techie28: I would suspect some configuration of the software you are using to off
• 2680[12:36:06] <madonius> *be
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• 2683[12:37:34] <techie28> petn-randall: no it was working fine but I m not sure if some changes took place after system was turned off and started this morning
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• 2685[12:38:33] <techie28> madonius: It seems like a system issue because Im no longer able to maximize minimize ANY of browser or file manager window
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• 2688[12:38:53] <madonius> did you try another windowmanager?
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• 2690[12:39:36] <techie28> its happening for any window that is opening
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• 2693[12:40:01] <techie28> madonius: its happening for any window that is opening
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• 2698[12:40:28] <techie28> is my sources.list correct?
• 2699[12:40:49] <madonius> techie28: the window is merely "living" in your window manager
• 2700[12:40:50] <techie28> I just replaced word JESSIE to STRETCH and then apt-get update && upgrade
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• 2705[12:41:33] <techie28> madonius: the short cuts also have stopped working like ALT + TAB etc
• 2706[12:41:42] <madonius> techie28: use the tutorial liked by babilen
• 2707[12:41:56] <madonius> you should use 'apt distupgrade'
• 2708[12:42:48] <madonius> or 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
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• 2711[12:43:11] <techie28> madonius: I also have sources.list of my old Debian Jessie.. can I use it and then do a apt-get update?would that get me Debian Jessie back?
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• 2714[12:43:47] <techie28> towo^work: I was trying to figure out the issue
• 2715[12:43:55] <madonius> techie28: no
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• 2717[12:44:02] <madonius> that won't do much
• 2718[12:44:09] <madonius> just go the full way
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• 2720[12:44:40] <madonius> now you are on jessie with _some_ upgraded packages
• 2721[12:44:44] <madonius> not all of them
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• 2726[12:47:56] <babilen> techie28: Did you also run "apt-get dist-upgrade" ?
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• 2730[12:49:15] <babilen> Sounds as if you are halfway between jessie and stretch. Please paste the output of "apt list --upgradable" and "apt-get -s dist-upgrade" to replaced-url
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• 2740[12:53:45] <madonius> does anybody use SELinux on Debian and can tell me how much of a pain it is?
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• 2745[12:56:23] <techie28> babilen: apt-list --upgradable shows Chromium
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• 2747[12:57:01] <techie28> sorry Im slow as I m having trouble switching between windows terminals etc
• 2748[12:58:16] <techie28> here is of dist-upgrade
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• 2761[13:02:37] <babilen> techie28: So, what does "apt-get -s dist-upgrade" propose?
• 2762[13:02:47] <babilen> (and did you change your sources.list in the interim?)
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• 2764[13:03:33] <techie28> babilen: no.
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• 2767[13:03:41] <techie28> I did not changed it
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• 2774[13:05:27] <shao> How do contact debian maintainers to see if they'd be willing to package our application?
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• 2776[13:05:40] <techie28> babilen: apt-get -s dist-upgrade tells me to remove those 2 libs
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• 2778[13:06:20] <techie28> does my sources.list look ok?
• 2779[13:06:34] <madonius> techie28: yes
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• 2787[13:09:10] <techie28> also when I try to perform apt-get upgrade I get this
• 2788[13:09:11] <techie28> replaced-url
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• 2790[13:09:42] <babilen> dpkg: show sources.list
• 2791[13:09:42] <dpkg> Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
• 2792[13:09:54] <babilen> techie28: Please run the command above and paste its output
• 2793[13:10:15] <Delf> Can someone please tell me what happened to webboot?
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• 2796[13:11:29] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
• 2797[13:11:30] <techie28> replaced-url
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• 2800[13:12:10] <techie28> I wonder how is UBUNTU written there
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• 2806[13:15:35] <techie28> babilen: could have been problem in sources.list.d?
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• 2810[13:17:45] <Delf> Founds it! replaced-url
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• 2812[13:18:37] <nvz> is there any kind of program for launching programs semi-graphically from a terminal? like a curses based menu or something?
• 2813[13:19:58] <petn-randall> nvz: Can you rephrase? I'm not sure it's answerable the way you asked.
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• 2816[13:20:27] <techie28> replaced-url
• 2817[13:21:46] <nvz> petn-randall: back on dos there were menu shells that launched programs im looking for a kind of shell i can preset a small list of programs for it to run from a menu rather than by typing commands
• 2818[13:23:10] <petn-randall> nvz: You could use aliases to save you some typing. Other than that I think your request is so specific that it might not exist in this form yet.
• 2819[13:23:33] <nvz> petn-randall: yeah its a very unlinux kinda thing
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• 2821[13:24:23] <petn-randall> nvz: You could slap a program together yourself with such a menu, and just tag "run in terminal" when you create a desktop shortcut.
• 2822[13:24:43] <Iridos> not sure I understood your description completely… but isn't that pretty close to what tab completion does?
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• 2824[13:24:51] <nvz> petn-randall: im talking for using console only
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• 2826[13:25:45] <nvz> petn-randall: i could im sure write a program or shell script or python script simply enough just wasnt sure if something existed
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• 2828[13:25:51] <koollman> nvz: so, something that shows you a list and you can chose and run it ?
• 2829[13:25:58] <mrr0butt> is there a way to disable laptop internal mic?
• 2830[13:26:18] <nvz> koollman: yeah some simplified manner of launching some programs on console
• 2831[13:27:02] <Iridos> like… tab completion?
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• 2833[13:27:24] <nvz> tab completion requires you to know the names obviously
• 2834[13:27:30] <nvz> a menu has a list
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• 2838[13:27:48] <nvz> hence the simplified
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• 2840[13:28:15] <Iridos> if you don't know the names, you have a list of things all unknown to you
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• 2843[13:28:55] <koollman> nvz: I don't know any doing directly that. but I think it would be rather easy with dialog.
• 2844[13:29:05] <jonty> @nvz replaced-url
• 2845[13:29:07] <nvz> i dont want a list i want like Youtube (mpsyt), Pandora (pianobar) etc
• 2846[13:29:26] <nvz> i have ranger its a filemanager
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• 2850[13:30:52] <aura> How do i edit mouse external buttons?
• 2851[13:31:06] <mrr0butt> is there a way to disable laptop internal mic without disabling the whole soundcard?
• 2852[13:31:15] <Iridos> nvz, PS1='libreoffice\nfirefox\ninkscape\n$ '
• 2853[13:31:18] <Iridos> or whatever
• 2854[13:31:37] <nvz> mrr0butt: with the mixer obviously, mute it
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• 2858[13:32:54] <Iridos> dunno … or it'd be trivial to write up in bash, but then you'd need to know how to start that
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• 2861[13:33:04] <BluesKaj> mrr0butt, open alsamixer and Mute the mic with the M key then do sudo alsactl store, that should keep it muted
• 2862[13:33:26] <ioria> nvz, replaced-url
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• 2865[13:34:28] <nvz> ioria: that sounds like what im looking for
• 2866[13:34:42] <ioria> nvz, gl
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• 2870[13:35:57] <nvz> ioria: thanks
• 2871[13:36:05] <ioria> nvz, ok
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• 2873[13:38:33] <mrr0butt> can only mute output devices in alsamixer
• 2874[13:38:46] <nvz> I;ll probably just make my own as this is the style thing i wanted but i am not sure it was designed for the purpose i had in mind and its in c and f gotta hack on it i'd rather it be something like bash or python thats easier to modify
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• 2891[13:48:36] <ThomasKeller> I have installed new stretch
• 2892[13:48:53] <ThomasKeller> and now I have noticed that there are two users in /etc/passwd with the same uid
• 2893[13:48:53] <the_CLA_2> Anybody has an idea of how to prevent gdm starting pulseaudio? Since a recent update in Stretch it now starts it with Debian-gdm user - ignoring that autospawn of pulse is set to "no".
• 2894[13:48:59] <ThomasKeller> _apt:x:104:65534::/nonexistent:/bin/false
• 2895[13:48:59] <ThomasKeller> sshd:x:105:65534::/run/sshd:/usr/sbin/nologin
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• 2899[13:49:40] <sypher> ThomasKeller: Those don't have the same uid.
• 2900[13:49:55] <ThomasKeller> oh, I see its same gid
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• 2902[13:50:22] <ThomasKeller> but what is the purpose of _apt ?
• 2903[13:50:30] <ThomasKeller> why does it start with _
• 2904[13:51:05] <jonty> ls
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• 2906[13:51:35] <sypher> ThomasKeller: A brief Google query would answer that question.
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• 2910[13:53:06] <sypher> ThomasKeller: replaced-url
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• 2912[13:53:56] <koolkid> hello #debian
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• 2914[13:54:17] <koolkid> I'm from an organization called the "Kool Kids Klub"
• 2915[13:54:19] <[k00l]shamoanjac> hi koolkid
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• 2917[13:54:25] <[k00l]shamoanjac> wow, really koolkid ?
• 2918[13:54:32] <[k00l]shamoanjac> that's really a nice name!
• 2919[13:54:33] <koolkid> this is our webpage: replaced-url
• 2920[13:54:44] <koolkid> we are fighting aganist the botnet
• 2921[13:54:46] <[k00l]shamoanjac> Nice webpage! I love the style
• 2922[13:54:47] <ThomasKeller> sypher: thanks
• 2923[13:54:53] <koolkid> we are fighting, most notably, for Internet Freedom
• 2924[13:54:54] <[k00l]shamoanjac> yeah, the botnet sucks, I want to fight it too!
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• 2926[13:54:57] <sypher> koolkid: This seems offtopic.
• 2927[13:54:57] <babilen> techie28: You seem to have installed all sort of crap from random sources
• 2928[13:54:58] <[k00l]shamoanjac> FreedoM!
• 2929[13:55:00] <koolkid> we are looking to cooperate with the EFF
• 2930[13:55:08] <koolkid> sypher: in the past 48 hours
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• 2965[14:04:19] <aura> I've read something about xorg.conf but i can't find this file
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• 2969[14:05:14] <petn-randall> !xy problem
• 2970[14:05:15] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
• 2971[14:05:20] <petn-randall> aura: ^^^
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• 2973[14:05:45] <petn-randall> aura: The file doesn't exist by default on Debian systems (jessie and newer) because everything is auto-configured.
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• 2975[14:05:56] <aura> i'm trying to edit mouse keys
• 2976[14:06:04] <teraflops> aura: as in: most of the time you dont need it
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• 2979[14:06:35] <aura> I'm using a trackball with some extra buttons
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• 2981[14:06:42] <petn-randall> aura: If you found somewhere to fix your issue via xorg.conf, you can create one in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and it will be read when you start your X server the next time.
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• 2983[14:06:42] <teraflops> aura: drop a snippet into /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
• 2984[14:06:50] <petn-randall> aura: or what teraflops said
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• 2989[14:07:56] <aura> shoul
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• 2991[14:08:08] <aura> d i create the xorg.conf.d file if i don't have one?
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• 2993[14:08:35] <petn-randall> aura: You can try it, yes. If it doesn't work as you expect, I'd delete it again, though.
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• 2998[14:09:35] <aura> what should i write in the file?
• 2999[14:10:11] <teraflops> aura: it depends on your device and what you want to enable/disable
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• 3002[14:10:55] <aura> the device is already working, i would only like to remap the keys
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• 3005[14:12:05] <BluesKaj> aura, irst of all why do you thenk a xorg.conf file will fix your problem, and why not tell us what your issue actually is?
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• 3008[14:13:06] <teraflops> aura: are you using stretch (stable)? if yes youre supposedly using libinput. this wiki is fine: replaced-url
• 3009[14:13:07] <aura> i don't know :( i did a research and xorg showed up
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• 3018[14:16:32] * cef waits patiently for stretch-backports.
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• 3022[14:17:13] <abrotman> start your own!
• 3023[14:17:50] <cef> no. :P
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• 3025[14:19:04] <BluesKaj> cef, already added the backports, but dunno if they contain any packages/upgrades
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• 3037[14:24:01] <aura> How can i check if i have libinput installed?
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• 3039[14:27:03] <toruvinn> aura, dpkg -l | grep libinput is the lazy way i use ;-)
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• 3045[14:29:38] <aura> it's installed but i can't run: libinput-list-devices
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• 3054[14:34:14] <BluesKaj> aura, is there no keymapper app in your system settings applications menu?
• 3055[14:34:42] <aura> umh
• 3056[14:35:26] <BluesKaj> depends on your DE I guess
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• 3058[14:36:14] <aura> cinnamon
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• 3060[14:40:22] <BrownPoop> Hello
• 3061[14:41:48] <BluesKaj> aura, typr mouse keys in your package manager search, maybe you'll find something appropriate in the list
• 3062[14:42:07] <BluesKaj> type*
• 3063[14:45:32] <teraflops> aura: as root
• 3064[14:46:18] <teraflops> also libinput being installed is not best check, xorg log will tell you if youre using libinput or not
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• 3085[14:56:57] <aura> xkeycaps?
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• 3087[14:58:14] <aura> xbindkeys?
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• 3092[14:59:50] <BluesKaj> aura, read the package description...I have to state the obvious
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• 3103[15:04:54] * the_CLA_2 now removed the link to pulseaudio.socket from /var/lib/gdm3/.config/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants - which seems to work around the problem with pa being started by gdm for the time being. @.@
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• 3105[15:06:20] <teraflops> the_CLA_2: that fixes bt headset not working with gdm too
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• 3107[15:06:47] <teraflops> the_CLA_2: the workaround the describe in debian wiki does not work
• 3108[15:06:52] <teraflops> they^
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• 3113[15:08:23] <the_CLA_2> teraflops: Yep. IMHO that change in gdm3 (3.22.3-2) is an absolute no-go, as it ignores puseaudio's autospawn setting.
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• 3117[15:09:03] <teraflops> the_CLA_2: I cannot see such socket file in other distros just debian^
• 3118[15:09:22] <teraflops> talking about gnome 3.22 obv
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• 3120[15:09:38] <the_CLA_2> teraflops: Seems like it has been introduced to work around some other bug or so.
• 3121[15:09:49] <teraflops> ugh
• 3122[15:10:15] <teraflops> imo it's doing more damage than good
• 3123[15:10:44] <teraflops> there's already a pulseadio desktop file inside /etc/xdg/autorstart
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• 3125[15:10:57] <the_CLA_2> teraflops: replaced-url
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• 3130[15:11:58] <teraflops> the_CLA_2: I cannot see any issue after deleting the socket file in my stretch installation
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• 3133[15:12:59] <the_CLA_2> teraflops: I sometimes had crashes of gdm on shutdown. Maybe that was the issue that was supposed to be solved by this. *shrugs* Other than that, no issues here either.
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• 3135[15:13:23] <teraflops> I did not notice such crashes though
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• 3138[15:14:05] <teraflops> the_CLA_2: that socked file will generate a bunch of issues, starting by bluetooth users
• 3139[15:14:08] <the_CLA_2> teraflops: I also only noticed as I have corekeeper installed wich sends messages about new core files. ;)
• 3140[15:14:09] <teraflops> socket^
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• 3144[15:15:18] <teraflops> I was tempted to add the workaround to the current bug report but deling with bugs in debian is annoying
• 3145[15:15:38] <the_CLA_2> teraflops: I've set up some pro audio stuff and don't want pulse to get in the way. On top of that I also had pulse configured to run on top of the jack audio server. But with this change jack then got started by gdm as well - wich of course is an absolute no-go.
• 3146[15:15:51] <teraflops> hehe
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• 3148[15:16:41] <teraflops> yeah pulse on top of jack saves you from a bunch of headaches
• 3149[15:16:46] <the_CLA_2> But I only start pulse manually if really needed.
• 3150[15:17:33] <teraflops> I just use cadence
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• 3152[15:17:49] <teraflops> it deals with all the pulse + jack stuff
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• 3155[15:18:11] <the_CLA_2> I don#t use anything from kx. qjackctl does fine for my purposes.
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• 3157[15:18:35] <teraflops> qjackctl ships more features
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• 3161[15:19:08] <the_CLA_2> No idea - never tried cadence. :)
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• 3163[15:19:20] <BluesKaj> I purged pulse and switched to chrome browser now that the new FF requires pulse for webaudio
• 3164[15:19:21] <teraflops> I like it
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• 3169[15:19:49] <teraflops> BluesKaj: whatever floats your goat
• 3170[15:20:09] <the_CLA_2> teraflops: I tend to avoid 3rd party repos - some bad experience with that in the past.
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• 3172[15:20:41] <teraflops> I dont see the point of using alsa these days, unless you have reasons (apart from pulse sucks or it's bloat)
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• 3176[15:22:05] <teraflops> the_CLA_2: I just compile it
• 3177[15:22:16] <the_CLA_2> :)
• 3178[15:22:41] <BluesKaj> teraflops intel audio doersn't require pulse as a sound sever, it works well directly with alsa
• 3179[15:23:00] <teraflops> BluesKaj: pulseaudio runs at top of alsa
• 3180[15:23:11] <teraflops> it's just making your life easier
• 3181[15:23:11] * the_CLA_2 now AFK for lunch... then some jam session... :D
• 3182[15:23:21] <BluesKaj> yup and it's not needed with intel audio
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• 3184[15:23:37] <teraflops> ಠ_ಠ
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• 3186[15:24:13] <teraflops> pulseadio is not about the devices
• 3187[15:24:25] <teraflops> intel or whatever
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• 3189[15:24:48] <teraflops> but as I said that's up to you
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• 3193[15:26:08] <BluesKaj> try a non intel sound card on your browser without pulse ...there's no audio, with intel there is
• 3194[15:26:26] <teraflops> BluesKaj: I do, all the time
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• 3201[15:28:38] <BluesKaj> teraflops, what's your audio setup ? I'm curious
• 3202[15:29:02] <teraflops> BluesKaj: I suspect you just messed with sinks
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• 3204[15:29:36] <teraflops> BluesKaj: several usb sound cards and bt headsets
• 3205[15:29:48] <teraflops> none of them are intel
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• 3207[15:29:56] <BluesKaj> nope just got rid of pulse
• 3208[15:30:02] <zetheroo> How does /etc/mysql/debian.cnf get it's credentials?
• 3209[15:30:46] <teraflops> BluesKaj: well, we will never know :)
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• 3217[15:33:00] <BluesKaj> I setup alsamixer and kmix to select the audio outputs both spdif and analog
• 3218[15:33:08] <teraflops> which is fine
• 3219[15:33:24] <BluesKaj> of mcourse
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• 3221[15:33:32] <teraflops> BluesKaj: I was just pointing that pulseadio has nothing to do with hw/vendors/devices
• 3222[15:33:48] <teraflops> that's alsa + kernel work
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• 3227[15:34:31] * BluesKaj shrugs , that's not the case with audio on the internet , but you think what you wnat
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• 3230[15:34:51] <qvaa> in text mode (console), how to browse list of installed packages to decide what to remove, e.g. by category (games) and there sorted by installed-zie
• 3231[15:34:53] <qvaa> *installed-size
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• 3237[15:35:01] <greycat> !ds
• 3238[15:35:01] <dpkg> ds is a little perl script that lists installed Debian packages in descending size order. It's available at replaced-url
• 3239[15:35:54] <qvaa> dpkg: wajig size
• 3240[15:35:54] <dpkg> qvaa: are you using Windows?
• 3241[15:36:05] <zetheroo> I am told that /etc/logrotate.d/mysql-server is a 'debian thing' ... well it's not working (in Ubuntu 16.04)
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• 3243[15:36:21] <greycat> If you're using Ubuntu, we can't help you.
• 3244[15:36:36] <teraflops> qvaa: dpkg is a bot with a very debatable sense of humor
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• 3253[15:38:35] <teraflops> BluesKaj: one more thing, think on what you wrote, specifically the "audio on internet bit" ^
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• 3255[15:38:49] <qvaa> how long will debian 7 wheezy receive security updates?
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• 3257[15:38:58] <teraflops> 2018 iirc
• 3258[15:39:04] <bizzel> jeez really?
• 3259[15:39:06] <greycat> !wheezy-lts
• 3260[15:39:06] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See replaced-url
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• 3262[15:39:22] <bizzel> !jessie-lts
• 3263[15:39:30] <greycat> It's not full security support. It's limited to what the LTS team covers, mostly server stuff.
• 3264[15:39:46] <qvaa> yeah, it's for server ofc
• 3265[15:39:53] <qvaa> desktop security is cancer anyway ;)
• 3266[15:40:03] <teraflops> $DEITY bless Debian Security Team
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• 3275[15:42:30] <qvaa> isn't blessing deity like debugging gdb in gdb?
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• 3279[15:43:15] <qvaa> nm, that would be when we would bless deity for [creating] sec team (:
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• 3286[15:46:12] <Twinkletoes> Just installed stretch (cli only) and have added various disks for performance testing. Is there any easy way to partition the disks, eg. like in the installer?
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• 3289[15:47:20] <greycat> Honestly it'll be easier to partition them *outside* of the installer, once you've got the base system all set up.
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• 3292[15:47:35] <greycat> The partitioning in the installer is a pain in the ass, having to arrow up and down a menu all day.
• 3293[15:47:38] <Twinkletoes> greycat: so, fdisk, then mkfs?
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• 3295[15:48:29] <greycat> Whichever partitioning program you're comfortable with is fine as long as it supports the type of disk layouts you're dealing with (msdos vs. gpt, typically)
• 3296[15:48:55] <Twinkletoes> greycat: I only say fdisk because of my Windows background
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• 3305[15:51:20] <Twinkletoes> greycat: thanks :)
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• 3354[16:12:11] <Eryn_1983_FL> what would be my pci_stubs.ids from this paste?
• 3355[16:12:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
• 3356[16:12:26] <Eryn_1983_FL> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet intel_iommu=on pci_stub.ids="
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• 3358[16:12:41] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am trying to get my vga passthrough work right.
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• 3477[17:01:28] <sllide> so i build and installed a new version of libwacom with this guide
• 3478[17:01:28] <sllide> replaced-url
• 3479[17:01:54] <sllide> but now my touchpad settings, function keys and theme settings are gone
• 3480[17:02:02] <sllide> and worst of all my wacom tablet isnt even working
• 3481[17:02:10] <sllide> is there a way to revert this?
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• 3490[17:08:11] <babilen> sllide: "Undo every step you performed" would be the generic approach
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• 3496[17:08:43] <babilen> Did you install into /usr ?
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• 3499[17:09:13] <sllide> True that, but i did a make install
• 3500[17:09:16] <sllide> and i have no idea how to revert that
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• 3502[17:09:24] <greycat> Where did make install install to?
• 3503[17:09:36] <sllide> How can i check?
• 3504[17:09:44] <greycat> Didn't you WATCH when it was telling you?
• 3505[17:09:47] <babilen> It should tell you in its output
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• 3508[17:09:59] <greycat> Did you give a --prefix when you ran ./configure?
• 3509[17:10:08] <greycat> Or wasn't this an autoconf based build?
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• 3514[17:10:28] <babilen> You might have chance that "make uninstall" is supported, but you might also have overwritten data when you copied it to /usr/share/libwacom
• 3515[17:10:49] <babilen> But before you do anything now, it would be good to figure out what you have done
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• 3518[17:11:36] <sllide> okay, ill check out the damage and try to make sense of it
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• 3520[17:12:02] <sllide> see if make uninstall works.
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• 3524[17:12:15] <sllide> But share/libwacom didnt exist before so that should not be a problem
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• 3528[17:12:50] <babilen> dpkg: usrlocal
• 3529[17:12:50] <dpkg> When hand-compiling software, *always* create a new directory under /usr/local, then install into it. For example: mkdir -p /usr/local/mypackage; ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mypackage. Otherwise, it can overwrite files which should be protected by apt, which can break apt, or apt can break this application's files because it doesn't know about them. See also: <equivs>, <FHS>, </opt>, <checkinstall>, <stow>, <make your own .deb>
• 3530[17:12:56] <babilen> dpkg: stow usage
• 3531[17:12:56] <dpkg> A quick intro to <stow>: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/stow/program-version && make && make install; cd /usr/local/stow/ ; stow program-version. Use stow -D to remove. See also <usrlocal>.
• 3532[17:13:02] <babilen> sllide: ^ for next time
• 3533[17:13:22] <sllide> I should really go learn something about the linux ecosystem
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• 3536[17:13:30] <sllide> thanks guys
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• 3550[17:18:22] <babilen> sllide: debsum might come in handy to check for "altered files"
• 3551[17:18:25] <babilen> dpkg: debsum
• 3552[17:18:25] <dpkg> babilen: bugger all, i dunno
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• 3554[17:18:28] <babilen> pity
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• 3556[17:18:38] <greycat> !debsums
• 3557[17:18:38] <dpkg> i heard debsums is a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to also check configuration files: "aptitude install debsums; debsums -a -s". Most packages come with md5sums included in the package; if apt's package cache is clean, then generate missing sums with "aptitude reinstall `debsums -l`". Ask me about <md5sums>.
• 3558[17:18:51] <babilen> ta
• 3559[17:18:57] <babilen> The perils of tab completion :)
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• 3565[17:19:44] <greycat> I'm not familiar with wacom stuff at all, but if this was just a regular "library" installation into /usr/local the undoing it would be something like removing the libraries from /usr/local, and then re-running "/sbin/ldconfig" as root to update the cache.
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• 3569[17:20:14] <greycat> But if it touched anything in /lib or /usr/lib then you may also need to reinstall the original Debian package.
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• 3603[17:28:44] <radw62> hello, I still have problems with apt-get update packages Hash Sum mismatches
• 3604[17:29:20] <radw62> I already changed mirrors, clear lists, use cdn mirrors, and nothing
• 3605[17:29:29] <radw62> Im using debian 9
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• 3612[17:33:30] <BluesKaj> radw62, check your /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 3616[17:35:17] <radw62> BluesKaj: As I said, I already checked them
• 3617[17:35:38] <radw62> tried tifferent nttp/ftp mirrors, and I have the same outcome
• 3618[17:35:54] <Brigo> radw62, try pasting the output of the command in paste.debian.org so we can check.
• 3619[17:35:57] <simp_> any alternatives for the firefox beta repository? replaced-url
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• 3623[17:36:46] <babilen> simp_: Wasn't that dropped due to rust?
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• 3625[17:37:05] <BluesKaj> radw62, not the mirrors, deblines in your sources.list might be incorrect
• 3626[17:37:30] <jhutchins_wk> radw62: Also might paste your sources.list
• 3627[17:38:03] <simp_> babilen, so they say, I haven't looked into it too much, just noticed the repo doesn't work anymore
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• 3629[17:38:38] <babilen> simp_: My understanding was that rust needs to be packaged for it to be usable, which has not happened for stretch
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• 3631[17:38:59] <babilen> (so the mozilla repo would essentially have to provide those packages too if it were to support stretch)
• 3632[17:39:18] <simp_> babilen, ah ok, I understand now, thanks for the input
• 3633[17:39:21] <jhutchins_wk> simp_: If you're not satisfied with the release from the main repos you can always download from mozilla.
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• 3635[17:39:30] <radw62> replaced-url
• 3636[17:39:44] <babilen> simp_: I guess it might make its way into repositories once this has been sorted out
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• 3640[17:40:29] <simp_> jhutchins_wk, yeah, trying to avoid manual installations as I always forget to update them separately, but if that's the way to do it atm, then so be it :)
• 3641[17:40:48] <babilen> simp_: That's the right approach definitely
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• 3644[17:42:12] <simp_> babilen, just looked into it a bit more, looks like stretch has rust, but no 'cargo', which is a dependency for building FF.
• 3645[17:42:25] <aditya3098> hi, i come from #gentoo-chat. I am here to spread the good word of eroen. "Use a local irc server instead of dbus". Thank you for hearing me out.
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• 3647[17:42:27] <jhutchins_wk> radw62: How long has this been a problem?
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• 3654[17:45:21] <radw62> jhutchins_wk: since this friday, on debian installation
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• 3657[17:46:05] <radw62> wizard, the mirrors returned error, I expected that it could fix later
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• 3659[17:46:42] <radw62> do you find something work on sources.lists??
• 3660[17:46:44] <jhutchins_wk> radw62: Yeah, sometimes there's a mismatch when an update to the mirrors has a glitch, but that should be a same-day fix.
• 3661[17:46:48] <radw62> *wrong
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• 3663[17:46:58] <jhutchins_wk> radw62: No, looks ok.
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• 3665[17:48:52] <jhutchins_wk> !stretch sources.list
• 3666[17:48:52] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 3668[17:49:18] <jhutchins_wk> radw62: You might try those instead of the specific mirrors.
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• 3688[17:57:07] <radw62> jhutchins_wk: great, apt update didnt return has mismatches, thanks !!!
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• 3764[18:38:10] <Resilience> which are the main dhcp servers in debian? which one is the most used?
• 3765[18:38:32] <jelly> ,i isc-dhcp-server
• 3766[18:38:33] <judd> Package isc-dhcp-server (net, optional) in stretch/amd64: ISC DHCP server for automatic IP address assignment. Version: 4.3.5-3; Size: 512.7k; Installed: 1392k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 3767[18:38:37] <jelly> Resilience: ^^
• 3768[18:38:49] <greycat> once you know the package names, you can /msg judd popcon pkgname
• 3769[18:38:55] <greycat> to see which ones are most popular
• 3770[18:39:24] <iodev> hi greycat
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• 3772[18:40:33] <Resilience> jelly, mmm interesting, do you mean TO make apt-cache search dhcp | grtep -i dhcp to see the list and then messaging judd?
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• 3783[18:43:20] <jelly> Resilience: apt-cache show packagename will give you most of that info without resorting to bot or web lookups. But no, I mean "that's literally the only dhcp server that comes to mind"
• 3784[18:43:54] <Conino_> hello everyone. I'm confused on what is the best/correct way to load kernel modules. In particular I need one for ipt_comment, but doing research, one place suggest editing rc.local, another suggest creating a file in /etc/modprobe.d, etc... Is anyone able to please suggest what is the 'proper' way of accomplishing this?
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• 3788[18:44:39] <Resilience> jelly, ah ok, thanks
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• 3790[18:44:56] <jim> I think my window manager crashed... I'm logged in now (this is debian stretch kde), can I start the window mgr up again without loging out and back in?
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• 3792[18:45:33] <greycat> just run the window manager in any convenient terminal
• 3793[18:45:54] <jim> and bg it?
• 3794[18:45:58] <greycat> Sure.
• 3795[18:46:00] <teraflops> it's now called plasma actually
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• 3797[18:46:11] <jelly> kwin &
• 3798[18:46:36] <jelly> the executable is still kwin
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• 3800[18:47:50] <teraflops> I meant the DE, the wm is kwin indeed
• 3801[18:48:00] <jelly> two other things: kde's application runner on Alt-F2 (krunner) might still be working even if kwin crashed; whatever manages kde's session restarts kwin in case of crash (SEGV at least)
• 3802[18:48:10] <jim> I did run command, just then it was hard to get the shell windo to the front
• 3803[18:48:49] <teraflops> there's kwin-wayland too
• 3804[18:49:16] <jim> I don't know that I'm running wayland
• 3805[18:49:35] <teraflops> I didnt say so
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• 3809[18:51:47] <jim> I'm not either :)
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• 3833[19:01:50] <Putti> How can I see package description in other language with apt-cache show? I tried adding LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 in in front of the command with no luck.
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• 3836[19:03:50] <iodev> Putti: did you locale-gen french?
• 3837[19:04:11] <Putti> I ran dpkg-reconfigure locales for all locales
• 3838[19:04:18] <greycat> putti: apt downloads lists into /var/lib/apt/lists/*_i18n_Translation-en on my system. I don't know how you get lists in other languages; maybe by having LANG set when you do the apt-get update?
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• 3844[19:05:02] <john_rambo> In gparted ntfs is greyed out ... How do format my flash drive to ntfs ?
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• 3846[19:05:16] <greycat> Stick it in a Windows machine?
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• 3852[19:05:57] <Putti> greycat, thanks, it was using LANG also with apt update! And thanks to you iodev, too :)
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• 3876[19:18:47] <jhutchins_wk> !ntfs
• 3877[19:18:47] <dpkg> Windows NT File System (NTFS) has drivers available in Debian: the read-only Linux kernel driver and a <FUSE> driver providing write support. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <label>. replaced-url
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• 3880[19:19:12] <SerajewelKS> the right answer was "install ntfs-3g"
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• 3883[19:20:37] <galex-713> Hi
• 3884[19:20:40] <galex-713> I’d like to know
• 3885[19:20:51] <galex-713> Why is it recommanded to report bugs to debian rather than upstream?
• 3886[19:21:09] <greycat> Because the bug you see may have been introduced by the Debian maintainer.
• 3887[19:21:15] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713: It helps sort out bugs that are caused by Debian packaging/patching.
• 3888[19:21:22] <galex-713> doesn’t this spend/loose a lot of time more and defavorize the more minors bugs?
• 3889[19:21:37] <galex-713> and what if you think it’s because upstream?
• 3890[19:21:45] <greycat> If you can reproduce the bug in the upstream package that you compiled yourself, then it's an upstream bug and you can report it there.
• 3891[19:22:18] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713: The upstream developers are very likely to blame the problem on the packaging; the Debian maintainers have much more credibility if they are the ones who report the bug upstream.
• 3892[19:22:27] <galex-713> such as most DE being not readable on modern high-dpi and large screens and solving this by changing dpi or font size resulting in an absolutely ugly disaster?
• 3893[19:22:39] <greycat> Oh, a desktop environment. Hahaha, good luck.
• 3894[19:22:45] <galex-713> ?
• 3895[19:22:47] <galex-713> why ?
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• 3897[19:23:06] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713: Because that's not a bug, that's a general complaint.
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• 3899[19:24:15] <greycat> It's a request for a new feature, and it's friggin' hard, and DEs are cesspools of uneducated users who can't even speak conherently in their own languages, let alone English.
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• 3901[19:24:18] <galex-713> jhutchins_wk, ah, so it’s KDE/GNOME people who decided to keep beautiful default stuff yet unusable because lazy?
• 3902[19:24:31] <greycat> *plonk*
• 3903[19:24:45] <galex-713> greycat, and so why requesting features would be so hard?
• 3904[19:25:24] <galex-713> I mean, how the great number of this kind of people diminuish or even affect the number of people speaking and argumenting correctly?
• 3905[19:25:48] <galex-713> greycat, and do that feature-request property reguards all features requests or only DE?
• 3906[19:25:52] <greycat> Oh man, I missed another clue. He didn't even SPECIFY which desktop. He used intentionally ambiguous language the first time, then named TWO separate desktops the second time.
• 3907[19:25:56] <greycat> Fucking trolls.
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• 3909[19:25:59] <LtL> Question: i'm about to dist-upgrade my daily driver, problem is i'm using an open source driver from thinkpenguin, what are the odds of it surviving the wifi upgrade or should i install firmware-atheros first? (its not installed at the moment)
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• 3911[19:26:30] <galex-713> greycat, well probably he thought all desktops were developed/maintained by the same people
• 3912[19:27:05] <LtL> i have no wired access btw and i dont want to install from scratch
• 3913[19:27:05] <galex-713> like the same people of the “OS” is it use to be the case of large, big and widely used proprietary and commercial OSes (like Android, Windows, Mac OS X, iOS, etc.)
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• 3915[19:27:45] <greycat> Do you mean, "I am about to upgrade jessie->stretch, and I am worried that my third-party wifi driver won't work"? If so, remember you can boot the jessie kernel in an emergency.
• 3916[19:28:03] <LtL> greycat: exactly
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• 3918[19:29:00] <LtL> greycat: maybe i should try the jessie firmware-atheros first.. ya think?
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• 3920[19:29:25] <greycat> I don't do wireless.
• 3921[19:29:34] <galex-713> greycat, yet how do that affect the way correctly-enough formulated features requests (btw the example you gave didn’t imply the bug/feature-request was unprocessable, if the bug/feature was trivial enough, you just have to ignore the desktop you don’t know about from the moment they named the desktops and you know you know one of them)?
• 3922[19:29:39] <LtL> i wish i didnt, i hate it
• 3923[19:29:57] <galex-713> and also that doesn’t explain why feature-requests are so hard generally
• 3924[19:30:25] <Quatroking> question: Tomorrow I'm getting an intel nuc and I want to run plex and steam on it - Should I grab SteamOS or should I just install Stretch and throw the steam packages on that afterwards?
• 3925[19:31:14] <raspcherry> why no wireless?
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• 3927[19:31:34] <LtL> raspcherry: no wire where i live now
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• 3932[19:31:53] <galex-713> greycat, ?
• 3933[19:32:00] <LtL> raspcherry: err that wasnt for me.
• 3934[19:32:40] <LtL> wifi is half-duplex iirc, wired rules
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• 3941[19:34:33] <BluesKaj> Quatroking, dunno about the steam/plex stuff, but make sure you upgrade the bios on nuc first thing. I've been looking at on e myself and most of the coments about nucs have to do with the bios firmware update
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• 3943[19:34:53] <Quatroking> I'll keep that in mind
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• 3945[19:35:16] <Quatroking> I'm getting this one btw: replaced-url
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• 3951[19:37:28] <drhalc> hello
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• 3953[19:37:59] <drhalc> can some one help me having trouble with kali install
• 3954[19:38:23] <SerajewelKS> drhalc: you are in #debian, not #kali
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• 3956[19:38:34] <drhalc> k
• 3957[19:38:45] <greycat> dpkg, nuc is <reply>The Intel NUC ("Next Unit of Computing") is a small-form-factor amd64 machine.
• 3958[19:38:45] <dpkg> okay, greycat
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• 3960[19:38:56] <greycat> !kali
• 3961[19:38:56] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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• 3964[19:40:38] <BluesKaj> Quatroking, using a ssd with it?
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• 3966[19:40:51] <Quatroking> nah, regular drive for now
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• 3972[19:41:04] <Quatroking> I'm already over my toy-budget this month
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• 3976[19:41:43] <PurpleMinion> Could someone tell me if there is a desktop environment for Debian that looks similar to Linux Mints XFCE?
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• 3978[19:41:55] <`Kevin> Quatroking: id sugest just do a base debian stretch install and run plex+steam from that, i currently stream plex over wifi but im using 802.11AC with 80mhz channels so its more than enough
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• 3980[19:41:57] <moufl> xfce ?
• 3981[19:41:59] <greycat> There's XFCE.
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• 3984[19:42:21] <PurpleMinion> I know but xfce is totally different in Debian
• 3985[19:42:22] <Quatroking> `Kevin, got it
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• 3988[19:42:29] <Quatroking> PurpleMinion, lxde?
• 3989[19:42:36] <PurpleMinion> It's much more polished in mint
• 3990[19:42:38] <`Kevin> Quatroking: steamos is riddled with a lot of hacky scripts, last i installed it over a year ago it was semi busted in multiple ways wrt X + fonts
• 3991[19:42:43] <JordiGH> There's spam at the bottom here, how do I tell someone to delete it? replaced-url
• 3992[19:42:44] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 3993[19:42:45] <SerajewelKS> `Kevin: i use 802.11G and even that's sufficient in every case i've tried
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• 3995[19:42:48] <greycat> If it's just a question of configuration, you can ask #xfce perhaps.
• 3996[19:42:50] <JPT> xfce is xfce. You may need to choose a theme and configure it a bit, but it's still xfce.
• 3997[19:43:01] <BluesKaj> Quatroking, right, accumulate the accessories gradually
• 3998[19:43:18] <PurpleMinion> Hmm
• 3999[19:43:28] <Quatroking> BluesKaj, yeah, I busted most of my budget on three new servers lol
• 4000[19:43:30] <JordiGH> lol
• 4001[19:43:55] * BluesKaj nods
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• 4003[19:45:09] <JordiGH> Oh, there's a spam link at the bottom.
• 4004[19:45:10] * JordiGH clicks.
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• 4013[19:47:33] <`Kevin> SerajewelKS: yea G works fine, the only reason I switched to AC was soely for gaming possibilities while other machines are streaming video (or 2-3X HD streams (LVRM, BDRM, PC)
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• 4018[19:50:12] <galex-713> greycat, anyway I have to go, I’d have liked to speak more about this (problems about feature requests, etc.), but maybe another time or with someone else, dunno, bye!
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• 4022[19:50:59] <PurpleMinion> Do I get double programs if I install multiple desktop environments ?
• 4023[19:51:28] <tremolo> Double programs?
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• 4025[19:51:50] <greycat> You'll have many programs. Some of them may duplicate features present in others.
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• 4028[19:52:12] <greycat> (That's always true; this may simply give you *more* such overlaps.)
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• 4031[19:53:15] <jhutchins_wk> PurpleMinion: You won't get multiple installs of the same program. You might get multiple programs for the same purpose, like you'll probably have different file browsers in each desktop.
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• 4033[19:53:58] <jhutchins_wk> PurpleMinion: Most of the programs specific to a certain desktop will run on other desktops as long as they have their libraries installed. You can run kmail in gnome for instance.
• 4034[19:54:15] <PurpleMinion> Hm
• 4035[19:54:22] <radw62> hello, I still have issues with apt update hash checksum errors, even with !stretch sources.list recomendation
• 4036[19:54:23] <PurpleMinion> I don't really like such overlap
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• 4038[19:54:40] <PurpleMinion> It is possible to have them only appear in the de they belong to
• 4039[19:54:45] <PurpleMinion> To make*
• 4040[19:55:07] <radw62> does debian mirrors have glitches on last days ( as <jhutchins_wk> said)
• 4041[19:55:35] <jmcnaught> radw62: did you try without your proxy?
• 4042[19:55:51] <jhutchins_wk> radw62: aptitude clean all?
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• 4045[19:56:48] <PurpleMinion> jhutchins_wk, or do they only show in the DE they belong to by default
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• 4049[19:57:52] <radw62> jmcnaught: no, as mi Debian is in a vlan whitout direct internet access, but Ill try to change to a vlan with
• 4050[19:57:56] <greycat> PurpleMinion: You're being WAY too picky. Even in the basic standard Debian installation, with NO graphics at all, there are three different programs to download and install packages: apt-get, apt, and aptitude.
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• 4053[19:58:19] <jmcnaught> radw62: last night you said you had a proxy before i drifted off
• 4054[19:58:20] <greycat> And at least two text editors, possibly more.
• 4055[19:58:35] <radw62> jhutchins_wk: with apt clear all I have the same hash checksum errores
• 4056[19:59:10] <greycat> radw62: you get an error from "apt clean"?
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• 4059[19:59:28] <jmcnaught> PurpleMinion: the .desktop that is used to make menus, it has OnlyShowIn, NotShowIn if you felt like providing overridden versions of all the package provided .desktop files in /usr/local or ~/.local but that's silly
• 4060[19:59:33] <jhutchins_wk> PurpleMinion: I'm not sure, haven't done it in a while, and it might depend on which desktops you had.
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• 4063[20:00:11] <jhutchins_wk> vrealize
• 4064[20:00:15] <jhutchins_wk> Oops
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• 4067[20:01:02] <radw62> jmcnaught: yes I did, as have debian exit by proxy right now
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• 4071[20:01:53] <jmcnaught> radw62: sorry i don't understand that sentence
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• 4073[20:02:09] <PurpleMinion> I'll just test it out :p
• 4074[20:02:10] <radw62> greycat: no, after apt clean, when I performed apt update, and start return err about hast checksums
• 4075[20:02:13] <radw62> *hash
• 4076[20:02:29] <PurpleMinion> Anything is possible in Linux so I don't think it will be a problem
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• 4079[20:03:53] <radw62> jmcnaught: I have debian go out by proxy right now, but Ill try to change to a vlan with internet access
• 4080[20:03:58] <missmbob> linux can help me with my medical bracelet. i'm losing geek points
• 4081[20:04:06] <missmbob> cant*
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• 4085[20:04:55] <JyZyXEL> i use my vape pens windows software on debian *giggle*
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• 4108[20:09:54] <martman> is there a preferred or more popular configuration management system for debian?
• 4109[20:10:03] <martman> im not familiar with any and want to learn one
• 4110[20:10:12] <JordiGH> apt
• 4111[20:10:15] <JordiGH> and dpkg
• 4112[20:10:20] <JordiGH> dpkg can handle etc files
• 4113[20:10:20] <dpkg> i haven't a clue, JordiGH
• 4114[20:10:30] <JordiGH> Shut up silly bot, not you, your namesake.
• 4115[20:10:36] <martman> haha
• 4116[20:10:37] <greycat> Some people put their config files into a git repository.
• 4117[20:10:47] <martman> i was starting todo that actually
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• 4120[20:10:59] <martman> first though was ansible to just for a git pull
• 4121[20:11:02] <SerajewelKS> martman: if you want to do a git repo for /etc then have a look at the etckeeper package
• 4122[20:11:02] <jmcnaught> martman: using etckeeper?
• 4123[20:11:05] <JPT> install etckeeper, it's a nice start
• 4124[20:11:08] <jmcnaught> haha
• 4125[20:11:12] <JPT> And it pays off when something blows up
• 4126[20:11:18] <jhutchins_wk> !info etckeeper
• 4127[20:11:26] <greycat> wrong bot
• 4128[20:11:28] <greycat> ,info etckeeper
• 4129[20:11:29] <judd> Package etckeeper (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: store /etc in git, mercurial, bzr or darcs. Version: 1.18.5-1; Size: 36.9k; Installed: 151k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 4130[20:11:32] <martman> huh, guess this etckeeper thingy is good
• 4131[20:11:35] <JPT> it's basically a git init . in /etc, but with hooks for dpkg and autocommit ability.
• 4132[20:11:46] <dpkg> etckeeper: (store /etc in git, mercurial, bzr or darcs), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.18.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 36 kB, Installed size: 151 kB
• 4133[20:12:00] <greycat> or... not the wrong bot?
• 4134[20:12:02] <jmcnaught> martman: Ansible is nice, and good to learn with too. Puppet is also pretty popular, but a little more difficult to get started with
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• 4137[20:12:17] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Looks like they both work.
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• 4140[20:14:25] <martman> looks neat, ill play with etckeeper
• 4141[20:14:36] <f0x> can anyone help me set up steam with nvidia free drivers (nouveau)?
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• 4144[20:15:10] <wonderer> hi all
• 4145[20:15:10] <jhutchins_wk> !steam
• 4146[20:15:11] <dpkg> Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <non-free>; amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. replaced-url
• 4147[20:15:20] <wonderer> anyone able to advise how to overcome debian restore not working on a dell server
• 4148[20:15:31] <wonderer> am getting the following on startup replaced-url
• 4149[20:15:39] <f0x> currently trying to launch dota2, getting "GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc is not supported"
• 4150[20:15:52] <f0x> jhutchins_wk: probably not an upstream issue, and I followed the wiki
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• 4154[20:17:51] <jmcnaught> wonderer: what happened to the missing disk? can you boot from a live disk to troubleshoot?
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• 4156[20:18:09] <jhutchins_wk> wonderer: What is "debian restore" in this context?
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• 4158[20:18:29] <wonderer> well
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• 4161[20:18:53] <jhutchins_wk> wonderer: Is it possible there is an error in fstab?
• 4162[20:18:54] <wonderer> i have a deb 6 installation that i need to migrate from old to new server
• 4163[20:19:10] <wonderer> jhutchins
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• 4166[20:20:31] <wonderer> possibly but the Acronis restores ive done dont show the boot <folder> or etc/fstab on the new server where i restored deb6 too
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• 4170[20:21:18] <wonderer> ive read all over the place for solutions
• 4171[20:21:34] <wonderer> eddited the grub menu duirng boot up using e
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• 4173[20:21:57] <wonderer> and changed the uuid to root=/dev/sda1-9 partition
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• 4175[20:22:17] <wonderer> sda1 is the bootable so ignored that
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• 4181[20:26:00] <jhutchins_wk> wonderer: Do you know how to use grub to search for the root/boot partition?
• 4182[20:26:13] <wonderer> jhutchins i tried
• 4183[20:26:25] <wonderer> only found the usb
• 4184[20:26:49] <wonderer> return nothing on all other sda2-9 partitions
• 4185[20:27:12] <jhutchins_wk> wonderer: I would say your restore was not successful.
• 4186[20:27:52] <jhutchins_wk> Nine partitions seems a bit excessive.
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• 4188[20:28:57] <teraflops> acronis? really?
• 4189[20:29:01] <wonderer> yea well am testing the deb6 restore process before perforimign on live server
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• 4191[20:29:07] <wonderer> did a simple deb6 install on pc
• 4192[20:29:17] <wonderer> teraflops yes :)
• 4193[20:29:32] <wonderer> teraflops is there a better option?
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• 4195[20:30:45] <teraflops> dd, cp, rsync…
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• 4197[20:31:05] <wonderer> cp an entire deb install?
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• 4200[20:31:21] <teraflops> yes?
• 4201[20:31:41] <wonderer> i heard of rsync process but look bit complicated at 1st
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• 4204[20:32:27] <teraflops> wonderer: it's just it sounded to me a bit odd, using such thing that's all
• 4205[20:32:56] <nvz> how can transmission daemon be set to download to a users homedir? the daemon is rennuning as root yet saying permission denied on the specified d/l location which is 600 user:user
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• 4208[20:33:28] <nvz> that makes no sense to me.. root should be able to access anything
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• 4212[20:34:42] <wonderer> what sounded odd?
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• 4217[20:35:49] <superrorc> hey guys! i have asked here about blank characters on man pages yesterday
• 4218[20:35:52] <wonderer> so does anyone have experience in doing drive image/restore of deb 6-8?
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• 4221[20:36:58] <superrorc> so the point wost gnome terminal conf =) unchecked Allow bold text save me, lol
• 4222[20:37:04] <jhutchins_wk> wonderer: I've done transfers using clonezilla, including moving windows to a new disk.
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• 4227[20:38:19] <nvz> nm im not paying attention here.. pebcak
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• 4229[20:38:56] <wonderer> i done win serv/desktops
• 4230[20:39:16] <wonderer> but this is my 1st deb image i want to restore
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• 4238[20:41:27] <teraflops> nvz: I dont think it runs as root
• 4239[20:41:57] <nvz> teraflops: no the nano process i was edting the config with does.. heh im blind i guess
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• 4241[20:42:13] <nvz> teraflops: and the dir is 700 not 600
• 4242[20:42:44] <teraflops> take a look inside the systemd unit at User=
• 4243[20:42:48] <nvz> so i guess i need group perms for debian-transmission
• 4244[20:43:05] <nvz> or change the userf transmission runs as
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• 4246[20:43:47] <teraflops> nvz: also make yourself sure the user you pick uses the right config file
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• 4248[20:44:12] <teraflops> iirc settings.json located at its $HOME
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• 4251[20:44:49] <teraflops> or use the debian-transmission one but then you have to change its permissions
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• 4255[20:45:08] <teraflops> err^at least the group
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• 4257[20:45:38] <nvz> it defaulted to storing files deep in /var/lib
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• 4259[20:46:15] <nvz> an unfriendly location for a user to fetch downloads
• 4260[20:46:27] <teraflops> you can change it
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• 4262[20:46:57] <nvz> yes i did i just needed to figure out why it was saying permission denied and i figured it out
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• 4266[20:47:31] <teraflops> hmm
• 4267[20:47:40] <teraflops> ,rtorrent
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• 4269[20:47:45] <teraflops> ,v rtorrent
• 4270[20:47:46] <judd> Package: rtorrent on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.2-1; wheezy: 0.9.2-1; stretch: 0.9.6-2+b1; sid: 0.9.6-2+b1; buster: 0.9.6-2+b1
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• 4273[20:49:07] <teraflops> that one is headless too, same as deluged
• 4274[20:49:22] <greycat> rtorrent runs in a terminal. I use it inside screen.
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• 4276[20:49:40] <teraflops> yeah I liked it
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• 4278[20:50:09] <teraflops> deluged seems to me more user friendly imo
• 4279[20:50:32] <obiwahn> hi qemu with curses shows only "1024 x 768 Graphic mode" since i have upgraded the vm host to stretch
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• 4281[20:51:49] <wonderer> is there a ggod guide to doing rsync that works for deb6 installs and go across different hardware?
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• 4286[20:52:24] <teraflops> rsync is not about hw
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• 4289[20:53:10] <jmcnaught> wonderer: mostly it's a matter of knowing what to backup. some folks only back up the data they need, and then reinstall the services on another system and restore the data. bonus points for using some sort of automation so the process can be repeated.
• 4290[20:53:11] <greycat> rsync works completely at the file/directory level
• 4291[20:53:13] <punto> hi, does debian testing still exist?
• 4292[20:53:19] <greycat> punto: yes, of course
• 4293[20:53:31] <teraflops> punto: of course
• 4294[20:53:33] <wonderer> let me clarify
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• 4296[20:53:42] <wonderer> i have an old server with deb 6 on it
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• 4298[20:54:00] <wonderer> i want this deb 6 instllation migrated to a new server (hw)
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• 4303[20:54:15] <greycat> Can the Debian 6 kernel *run* on the new hardware?
• 4304[20:54:21] <teraflops> good question
• 4305[20:54:27] <greycat> Can it see the NICs and so on?
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• 4309[20:54:44] <punto> what version comes after wheezy?
• 4310[20:54:51] <teraflops> jessie
• 4311[20:54:51] <wonderer> i cant simple do restor eof just data as this server is runingn may services and packages with specfic bespoke configurations
• 4312[20:54:52] <greycat> wheezy, jessie, stretch
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• 4314[20:55:08] <wonderer> like apache2, python scripts with django
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• 4316[20:55:34] <punto> thanks
• 4317[20:55:49] <teraflops> wonderer: sounds like a better idea, installing a barebones deb 6 then rsync data
• 4318[20:56:14] <wonderer> teraflops ok
• 4319[20:56:14] <teraflops> if you get deb6 working in the new hw you con continue
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• 4321[20:56:22] <teraflops> can^
• 4322[20:57:05] <wonderer> i was hopping acronis image/restore would work
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• 4324[20:57:20] <jmcnaught> wonderer: i would consider installing a stretch system, and then making a VM or container that you migrate the squeeze server to, and one by one migrate the services out of the VM/container to work on current Debian
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• 4326[20:57:30] <wonderer> jmcnaught
• 4327[20:57:31] <wonderer> i cant
• 4328[20:57:33] <teraflops> wonderer: dd can do the same^
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• 4330[20:57:46] <wonderer> reason why is because the python versions
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• 4333[20:58:37] <wonderer> can you recommnd a good place for dd and rsync tutorial in what amtrying to achive teraflops?
• 4334[20:58:58] <jmcnaught> wonderer: perhaps you misunderstood my suggestion. i think it might be easier to get your squeeze system running inside a VM instead of on raw hardware. Then you can migrate those services one at a time to a modern Debian
• 4335[20:59:01] <greycat> dd copies bytes at the rawest, lowest level
• 4336[20:59:06] <greycat> rsync copies files
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• 4338[21:00:04] <teraflops> wonderer: hmm, for rsync replaced-url
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• 4345[21:01:14] <wonderer> so dd probably better option
• 4346[21:01:30] <teraflops> for dd just pick a sparse disk with same/greater size and dd it or if you have space dd to of=myrawbackup
• 4347[21:01:34] <wonderer> as not sure rsync will get symlinks working
• 4348[21:01:57] <teraflops> but dd full clones, then with the new hw you may have (or not) issues
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• 4351[21:02:23] <greycat> Unless you KNOW that the squeeze kernel will run on this new server hardware, copying raw disk partitions with dd is just a crapshoot.
• 4352[21:02:28] <teraflops> I never faced big issues but youre talking of an old piece of hw I think
• 4353[21:03:12] <greycat> So, you might start by simply attempting to do a basic Debian 6 install on the new hardware. See if it works at all.
• 4354[21:03:43] <teraflops> wonderer: yeah try a fresh barebones installation first
• 4355[21:03:46] <wonderer> greycat ok i think am realising this is best option
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• 4357[21:04:33] <wonderer> hopefully d6 fresh install will pick up the raid controller and 500gb raid 1 mirror drives with 500gb volume
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• 4359[21:05:23] <teraflops> every phrase you write makes me think youre better doing rsync :P
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• 4362[21:06:18] <wonderer> well
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• 4364[21:06:36] <wonderer> myboss and his side kick could get it to works
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• 4366[21:07:00] <wonderer> so am trying something new
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• 4368[21:07:26] <wonderer> thx for the advise guys
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• 4371[21:09:02] <galex-713> greycat, re, if you’re still there/free
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• 4379[21:12:08] <wonderer> i guess when installing deb6
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• 4389[21:17:51] <NapoleonWils0n> hi all
• 4390[21:17:54] <martman> i keep having have preseed problems. im trying to setup the root account using this
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• 4392[21:17:56] <martman> d-i passwd/root-password-crypted
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• 4395[21:18:16] <martman> but the installer always asks for the root password anyway. ive tried double, single and no quotes
• 4396[21:18:20] <NapoleonWils0n> im using ncftp for ftp
• 4397[21:18:25] <Pr0metheus> any suggestions for a text ediotor that can handle very large files (~2Gb). In Windows I used notepad2
• 4398[21:18:35] <NapoleonWils0n> apart from filezilla any recommendations for an ftp client
• 4399[21:18:41] <jhutchins_wk> wonderer: Again, I would suggest checking out clonezilla - it's actually meant for this kind of work.
• 4400[21:18:43] <martman> im using: mkpasswd -s -m md5
• 4401[21:18:46] <martman> to make the passwords
• 4402[21:18:47] <wonderer> i chose manual partitoning using lvm when setting new fresh install of deb6 to mirror same partiton structure found on th eold system?
• 4403[21:19:02] <jhutchins_wk> wonderer: As far as compatibility goes, I think you can still get Deb 6 live images.
• 4404[21:19:05] <wonderer> jhutchins cool thx
• 4405[21:19:24] <wonderer> i tried looking
• 4406[21:19:32] <wonderer> but couldnt find them
• 4407[21:19:50] <wonderer> instead i used deb 9 live image and that was a waste of time
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• 4409[21:20:08] <wonderer> guest/live account i gest kicke out of kde console every few seconds
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• 4411[21:20:17] <wonderer> gest=get
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• 4416[21:24:42] <nikoma> I am trying to erase some files from my usb disk and it says that it can't do it because the filesystem is read-only. How can I fix that?
• 4417[21:25:20] <greycat> What kind of file system is it, and how did you mount it?
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• 4419[21:26:08] <nikoma> It's FAT32 and I mounted it by "sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usb"
• 4420[21:26:25] <greycat> Shouldn't be read-only then :(
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• 4425[21:27:11] <nikoma> :(
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• 4431[21:29:05] <greycat> what happens when you try to remount it rw? (mount -o remount,rw /media/usb)
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• 4436[21:31:02] <nikoma> doesn't help :(
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• 4439[21:31:37] <mint> i install firmware-iwlwifi and wireless-tools, after show all network but dont connect, why?
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• 4441[21:31:44] <greycat> But what *happens*? Is there an error?
• 4442[21:31:51] <jelly> mint: did you reboot after installing firmware
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• 4444[21:31:57] <jelly> if not, reboot
• 4445[21:31:57] <mint> yes
• 4446[21:32:00] <nikoma> also for some reason when the usb disk is plugged in and unmounted and I start gparted it doesn't start and gets stuck on "searching /dev/sdb disks"
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• 4448[21:32:27] <nikoma> greycat: nothing happens, so I assume there is no error, it doesn't return anything to me
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• 4450[21:32:51] <greycat> It gives no output at all, but fails to change the mount's state?!
• 4451[21:33:07] <nikoma> yes
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• 4455[21:33:31] <mint> i are using debian stretch.
• 4456[21:34:04] <nikoma> seriously, what the hell is this, I've been using this usb disk for a long time on this machine with no problems at all
• 4457[21:34:22] <greycat> Maybe it's dead.
• 4458[21:34:37] <nikoma> Yeah, that's possible
• 4459[21:34:41] <nikoma> strange symptoms tho
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• 4465[21:37:06] <mint> i will install debian jessie, maybe run.
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• 4471[21:40:17] <nikoma> greycat: I fixed it btw, by runnig dosfsck on the disk
• 4472[21:40:21] <nikoma> running*
• 4473[21:40:26] <slugmx> fantastic!!!
• 4474[21:40:31] <greycat> That's *super* weird, that you had no errors.
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• 4476[21:40:41] <mint> replaced-url
• 4477[21:40:41] <obiwahn> how do i force text mode only?
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• 4479[21:40:47] <greycat> !nodm
• 4480[21:40:47] <dpkg> In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
• 4481[21:41:14] <mint> in mint work, but in debian stetch dont work.
• 4482[21:41:33] <obiwahn> greycat: nope
• 4483[21:41:39] <jelly> obiwahn: do you really mean text mode, or just text console but possibly in native resolution and really a graphic mode? the above !nodm thing is for the latter
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• 4485[21:42:19] <PurpleMinion> Could someone tell me how to install lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings
• 4486[21:42:20] <jelly> !modesetting
• 4487[21:42:20] <dpkg> Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. replaced-url
• 4488[21:42:22] <obiwahn> jelly: yes text console in native mode so it can be displayed by qemu with video curses
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• 4490[21:42:26] <greycat> You have to give me more of a hint what you want than just "nope".
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• 4492[21:42:46] <jelly> obiwahn: apparently, "nomodeset" as boot param
• 4493[21:43:53] <nikoma> Is upgrading to Stretch from Jessie easy? I never upgraded a linux system to a new release.
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• 4495[21:44:20] <greycat> It's one of the less painful upgrades, for most systems.
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• 4498[21:45:22] <nikoma> Okay, thanks, I assume it's a good idea to make some system backup, right?
• 4499[21:45:42] <greycat> Backups are always a good idea.
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• 4503[21:46:55] <obiwahn> mh jelly just reconfigured grub-pc
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• 4505[21:47:01] <obiwahn> does not really help
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• 4507[21:47:08] <obiwahn> mh it becomse annyoing
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• 4510[21:48:03] <jelly> obiwahn: there's also /msg dpkg nofb
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• 4514[21:48:48] <PurpleMinion> Could someone tell me how to install replaced-url
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• 4516[21:49:05] <greycat> ,v lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings
• 4517[21:49:06] <judd> Package: lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings on amd64 -- buster: 1.2.1-2; sid: 1.2.1-2; stretch: 1.2.1-2
• 4518[21:49:09] <jelly> obiwahn: editing /etc/default/grub and running update-grub is enough, not sure what package reconfiguration does
• 4519[21:49:15] <greycat> PurpleMinion: it's in stretch.
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• 4521[21:50:22] <PurpleMinion> greycat, I didn't have enough time to install stretch yet, I'm still using Jessie
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• 4524[21:50:38] <PurpleMinion> Is it compatible with Jessie?
• 4525[21:50:42] <greycat> Well, it's not in jessie. You cold ask judd whether a backport is possible.
• 4526[21:50:43] <jelly> PurpleMinion: then you can't install it, no
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• 4530[21:51:51] <PurpleMinion> How do you actually know it's for stretch, did I miss something
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• 4532[21:52:28] <greycat> ,v lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings
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• 4534[21:52:29] <judd> Package: lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings on amd64 -- buster: 1.2.1-2; sid: 1.2.1-2; stretch: 1.2.1-2
• 4535[21:52:31] <greycat> ^^
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• 4538[21:52:54] <PurpleMinion> Ohh, is that somewhere on the website too?
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• 4540[21:53:17] <greycat> if you go to replaced-url
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• 4542[21:53:39] <jelly> packages.debian.org/packagename or tracker.debian.org/packagename are easy to remember shortcuts
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• 4544[21:54:14] <PurpleMinion> Thanks!
• 4545[21:54:23] <jelly> except... tracker.d.o/packagename doesn't work?
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• 4547[21:54:59] <PurpleMinion> Doesn't work for me
• 4548[21:55:08] <PurpleMinion> Packages does
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• 4551[21:55:29] <jelly> maybe I just imagined it
• 4552[21:55:53] <PurpleMinion> Possibly :p
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• 4554[21:56:49] <obiwahn> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="quiet nomodeset video=vga16:off fb=false" :( still not working
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• 4556[21:57:07] <PurpleMinion> Well, I'll install stretch tomorrow. Going to sleep now :). Thanks for your time guys.
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• 4558[21:57:44] <jelly> huh, now it works replaced-url
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• 4562[21:59:17] <PurpleMinion> Weird
• 4563[21:59:22] <MarioMey> Hello there. Debian 9 attempt to install: First I try Live USB, it booted Ok, but when I try to install: Kernel Panic. From this channel, I was suggested to download DVD1. I did it, I copy to USB pendrive using "sudo cp". Installed everything ok. But, when boot... Kernel Panic. Then, I used unetbootin to burn DVD1 in USB pendrive. The installation was not Ok, several problems. Then... I copy ISO to USB with dd, installed everything again, booted: kernel pan
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• 4569[22:00:54] <MarioMey> Boot screen: replaced-url
• 4570[22:02:12] <MarioMey> md4sum of the file is correct.
• 4571[22:02:37] <MarioMey> Should I make a check to the pendrive? I don't have another... well, yes, I have one but smaller.
• 4572[22:02:56] * x032cx *yawns* newbie corner
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• 4575[22:03:23] <MarioMey> No... it's 4GB. Should I try with it?
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• 4580[22:06:20] <MarioMey> Can a corrupted pendrive allows to put an ISO inside and install a whole SO... but it produces a kernel panic in installed SO?
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• 4582[22:07:22] <towo`> MarioMey, you have a nvidia graphics card?
• 4583[22:07:37] <MarioMey> towo`: yes.
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• 4585[22:08:11] <towo`> MarioMey, boot the system with nomodeset and install the nvidia blob then
• 4586[22:08:36] <MarioMey> towo`: how...? GRUB edit options?
• 4587[22:08:48] <MarioMey> Maybe I did it some day... but I dont' remember.
• 4588[22:09:10] <towo`> MarioMey, yes, on grub hit e and add nomodeset athe the end of the line that beginns with linux
• 4589[22:09:25] <MarioMey> Thanks, let's try it.
• 4590[22:09:27] <greycat> with a space in front of nomodeset
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• 4592[22:10:09] <MarioMey> And then... does Debian has a Ubuntu-like installation of proprietary drivers...?
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• 4594[22:10:30] <MarioMey> (I'm trying to migrate...)
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• 4596[22:10:39] <towo`> MarioMey, no, t hasn't and it's not needed
• 4597[22:10:56] <MarioMey> towo`: how do you suggest me to install nvidia drivers?
• 4598[22:11:02] <towo`> MarioMey, add conbtrib and non-free to your sources, apt update && apt install nvidia-driver
• 4599[22:11:26] <MarioMey> Thanbks.
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• 4607[22:13:59] <radw62> on a vlan with internet access, I got the same hash checksum errors
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• 4609[22:14:59] <ws2k3> is it possible to view the stdout and stderr from program(); destenation in syslog-ng ?
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• 4653[22:34:33] <anao> Hello@All does anyone know infos about the Problem Legacy Nvidia install DKMS on Stretch? After install Modules failed on boot
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• 4657[22:35:08] <anao> Kernel 4.9 isnt working on DKMS NV-304/340
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• 4660[22:35:48] <towo`> anao, dkms status is saying what?
• 4661[22:35:59] <jhutchins_wk> radw62: It sounds like something is corrupting your downloads.
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• 4664[22:36:59] <anao> Hello@towo, dkms status is installed and ok, got no error messages on setup, but on boot systemd cant load cause the modules not found
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• 4668[22:38:28] <anao> tried varios setups and tried NV*.run from nvidia too, bit no luck
• 4669[22:38:44] <radw62> jhutchins_wk: I can install mysql-server packages but addint the " --fix-missing"
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• 4706[22:50:27] <n4dir> it will download and install the newes version it finds.
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• 4711[22:51:02] <n4dir> you don't mix stable with sid anyway, assuming stretch is the actual stable
• 4712[22:51:09] <greycat> stretch is stable right now, yes
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• 4714[22:51:21] <n4dir> i think you will have to reinstall, that sure is the most safe solution for your problem
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• 4718[22:51:57] <n4dir> as far it's me: never ever mix stable with testing or unstable. never.
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• 4725[22:53:53] <n4dir> yup, backports sounds like the good solution
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• 4728[22:54:11] <n4dir> !backports
• 4729[22:54:11] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
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• 4736[22:57:07] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See replaced-url
• 4737[22:57:46] <aguitel> root password is not working ,it say :su: Authentication failure
• 4738[22:57:54] <aguitel> how solve this ?
• 4739[22:57:59] <n4dir> replaced-url
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• 4742[22:58:30] <n4dir> replaced-url
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• 4744[22:59:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1681
• 4745[22:59:36] <n4dir> on a side note: i ran sid for quite a while, and it served me well, i didn't have much problems. But if you run into problems, folks will often say: if you can't solve such problems, why do you run sid?
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• 4748[23:00:43] <greycat> Yes, we will indeed say something like that.
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• 4753[23:01:09] <n4dir> i don't care much for software versions. Not that sure why i ran sid at all. stable is nice and comfortable, imho.
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• 4759[23:02:45] <n4dir> greycat: yup. my point was round the lines: you are kinda on your own. nothing you couldn't learn, assuming you got enough time
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• 4766[23:04:54] <greycat> Not a copy. Migration of packages from unstable to testing is back in flow.
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• 4769[23:05:34] <greycat> New toys go into sid, and if they don't break hard enough in a few days to a week, they migrate into testing also.
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• 4772[23:05:58] <n4dir> in my book that is a: "yes, that solution should work"
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• 4776[23:06:57] <greycat> "probably"
• 4777[23:06:59] <n4dir> replaced-url
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• 4781[23:07:29] <n4dir> in general i am still a big fan of stable.
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• 4805[23:16:04] <MarioMey> hi there. I booted in recently installed Debian 9 with nomodeset... I download with another computer the file to install TP-link WiFi modem, installed it with dpkg...
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• 4810[23:16:28] <MarioMey> it found my wifi... but it doesn't connect.
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• 4812[23:16:43] <MarioMey> I write the password... and nothing. It's not connecting...
• 4813[23:16:47] <MarioMey> Why?
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• 4815[23:17:26] <MarioMey> It's the same modem, the same wifi net.
• 4816[23:17:35] <MarioMey> That I use with Ubuntu.
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• 4834[23:22:08] <IHaveNoName> Pls can someone help me make a sopelbot
• 4835[23:22:11] <IHaveNoName> In debian
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• 4839[23:25:11] <mutante> IHaveNoName: looks like that would be: sudo pip install sopel
• 4840[23:25:25] <teraflops> ಠ_ಠ
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• 4850[23:29:00] <IHaveNoName> Ok ill try it
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• 4864[23:33:17] <IHaveNoName> It didnt work
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• 4867[23:33:41] <IHaveNoName> I got /usr/bin/env: pip: no such file or directory
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• 4880[23:36:54] <IHaveNoName> mutante any idea why it didnt work?
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• 4901[23:40:54] <IHaveNoName> M
• 4902[23:40:56] <IHaveNoName> *?
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• 4904[23:41:04] <dondelelcaro> replaced-url
• 4905[23:41:06] <IHaveNoName> :o 1651 users are here lmao alot
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• 4909[23:41:56] <madsara> I'm having a hard time with "sata softreset failed (timeout)" messages when trying to use my esata storage... Anyone dealth with this?
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• 4911[23:42:55] * IHaveNoName sad me cant make sopel bot
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• 4914[23:44:40] <IHaveNoName> Why is it says no file or directory
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• 4919[23:46:05] <teraflops> sudo pip install is a very bad idea
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• 4928[23:47:53] <mo1991> anyone having issues with firefox in stretch not rendering pages correctly? for example google news doesn't allow you to click on some of the stories at the top of page?
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• 4931[23:48:19] <mo1991> using stable firefox-esr ver 52 stock stretch
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• 4934[23:49:56] <mo1991> nevermind, looks like it was an issue with user agent overrider
• 4935[23:50:01] <mo1991> plugin for firefox
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