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• 1[00:02:18] <jsync2> I'm searching on my Wheezy system. It's not in my Wheezy repo, not actually. Can I pull the wish package file out of Jessie & use it in my Wheezy system?
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• 3[00:03:47] <at0m> jsync2: i don't think so. old bpo, maybe
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• 5[00:04:46] <Bushmaster> girls in western hemisphere are socially modified cultural deform as of China Doll in Beverly Hills Mansion ... Sauvin
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• 8[00:05:18] <sponix2ipfw> jsync2: might be time to look at a fresh install of Buster
• 9[00:05:49] <sponix2ipfw> ,V wish
• 10[00:05:51] <judd> No package named 'wish' was found in amd64.
• 11[00:05:56] <at0m> ,v tk
• 12[00:05:57] <judd> Package: tk on amd64 -- jessie: 8.6.0+8; stretch: 8.6.0+9; buster: 8.6.9+1; bullseye: 8.6.9+1+b1; sid: 8.6.9+1+b1; experimental: 8.7.0+0~exp2
• 13[00:06:48] <sponix2ipfw> Wheezy is eol isn't it?
• 14[00:07:14] <at0m> yea
• 15[00:07:18] <at0m> !wheezy
• 16[00:07:18] <dpkg> Wheezy is the current <oldoldstable> release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04: replaced-url
• 17[00:07:49] <jsync2> I have Buster on my server. I have Wheezy on my desktop. I like Wheezy.
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• 21[00:09:41] <jsync2> I think I will make a Wheezy wish package & put in my private repo.
• 22[00:09:58] <jsync2> 😁
• 23[00:10:10] <sponix2ipfw> Hmm have fun
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• 25[00:10:17] <jsync2> (Good experience.)
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• 27[00:10:36] <sponix2ipfw> I try to avoid eol stuff for security reasons
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• 30[00:11:36] <jsync2> It's on a private intranet. I look for bugs & software conflicts & try to fix them.
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• 34[00:12:53] <jsync2> I don't uninstall conflicting software, not actually. I try to make patches & supply "conflicting" files.
• 35[00:12:58] <Bushmaster> girls have smaller brain than men, agree or disagree? I need 10 reply Agree Yes, Disagree No
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• 37[00:13:44] <sponix2ipfw> !ops Bushmaster annoying rants
• 38[00:13:44] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: sponix2ipfw complains about a problem (see above)
• 39[00:14:06] <Bushmaster> sponix2ipfw, are you girl?
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• 43[00:15:36] <phogg> sponix2ipfw: he just got himself banned in ##linux 10 minutes ago for similar things
• 44[00:15:43] <jsync2> The lack of a package like wish seemed unDebian-like, so I thought to mention it. Thanks for the help.
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• 47[00:16:22] <NOT> hey
• 48[00:16:36] <sponix2ipfw> phogg: glad to see they are consistent
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• 50[00:17:14] <at0m> ^
• 51[00:17:20] <sponix2ipfw> jsync2: I think someone was pointing out it is included with tk
• 52[00:17:37] <at0m> sponix2ipfw: i was, and they left
• 53[00:17:44] <Bushmaster> sponix2ipfw, apart from you no one protested, hehehe, it means sociey is lean towards my comment
• 54[00:17:47] <sponix2ipfw> Hmm I see that now
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• 56[00:18:13] <at0m> sponix2ipfw: but jsync2 is on wheezy, which doesnt get any updates anymore
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• 58[00:19:21] <at0m> wish is included with tk since (after wheezy)
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• 68[00:21:02] <Bushmaster> the asymptotic big data, peak finding and algorithm development ... where women stands ?
• 69[00:21:15] <Bushmaster> nowhere
• 70[00:21:22] <sponix2ipfw> Yeah.. I just don't support eol stuff. Not worth the effort
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• 72[00:21:47] <Bushmaster> eol?
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• 78[00:22:49] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o petn-randall
• 79[00:22:50] *** petn-randall sets mode: +b *!*@unaffiliated/bushmaster
• 80[00:22:50] *** Bushmaster was kicked by petn-randall (you should know better)
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• 82[00:23:05] <sponix2ipfw> Thanks
• 83[00:23:19] <petn-randall> sponix2ipfw: And thanks for bringing this to our attention.
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• 88[00:24:30] <sponix2ipfw> petn-randall: no problem. I have that curse/duty in my Mint support lol
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• 92[00:27:08] <petn-randall> sponix2ipfw: That's just a downside of an accessible support channel you have to live with. Just like mailing lists that don't need a subscription often get hit by spam.
• 93[00:27:38] <sponix2ipfw> Trust me. I know
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• 95[00:27:46] <at0m> upside of no ops is /i =)
• 96[00:28:39] <at0m> was close to calling them in, but the convo died eventually 1hr ago
• 97[00:28:55] <sponix2ipfw> I'm still learning Debian basics
• 98[00:29:34] <sponix2ipfw> ,V rtorrent
• 99[00:29:36] <judd> Package: rtorrent on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.2-1; stretch: 0.9.6-2+b1; buster: 0.9.7-1; bullseye: 0.9.8-1; sid: 0.9.8-1
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• 102[00:29:53] <at0m> sponix2ipfw: coming from mint, should go smooth, right
• 103[00:30:16] <sponix2ipfw> what is the proper way to get 9.8 on buster?
• 104[00:30:35] <petn-randall> ,checkbackport rtorrent
• 105[00:30:36] <judd> Backporting package rtorrent in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libtorrent-dev (>= 0.13.8).
• 106[00:30:46] <petn-randall> ,checkbackport libtorrent-dev
• 107[00:30:47] <judd> Backporting package libtorrent-dev in sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster.
• 108[00:30:53] <petn-randall> !ssb
• 109[00:30:53] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 110[00:30:56] <sponix2ipfw> at0m: I have over 30 years of Linux experience
• 111[00:31:43] <petn-randall> sponix2ipfw: You can use the above factoid to backport libtorrent-dev, and when you install that you can backport rtorrent.
• 112[00:31:56] * sponix2ipfw hops over to his rig
• 113[00:32:42] <petn-randall> sponix2ipfw: If you think it would be useful to other people, you can also ask on the debian-backports mailinglist for someone to upload it, and then cross your fingers that someone does.
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• 117[00:34:19] <sponix2ipfw> petn-randall: well, if others could need/use it -- It is likely me that should be doing that for them, not the other way around :P
• 118[00:34:51] <sponix2ipfw> !dpkg deb-src sid
• 119[00:34:52] <dpkg> You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the sid release is: "deb-src replaced-url
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• 121[00:41:55] <petn-randall> sponix2ipfw: You will need commit access to the buster-backports upload queue, which you'll only get as DD or DM.
• 122[00:42:15] <petn-randall> sponix2ipfw: I welcome it ;)
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• 125[00:44:46] <sponix2ipfw> apt build-dep rtorrent ... spits this out after adding the sid src line and doing apt update replaced-url
• 126[00:45:00] <sponix2ipfw> Do I need to point that build-dep at libtorrent 1st ?
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• 129[00:46:19] <dvs> sponix2ipfw, wait, how can you have over 30 years of Linux experience when the kernel was first conceived in 1991?
• 130[00:47:00] <sponix2ipfw> dvs: because Math is HARD ;)
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• 132[00:47:44] <dvs> heh
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• 134[00:48:08] <petn-randall> sponix2ipfw: As I said, you first need to backports libtorrent-dev.
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• 137[00:48:57] <sponix2ipfw> petn-randall: Oh.. I'm really mucking this up.. I should have done this in a VM prior to just taking guesses as to how it works :)
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• 142[00:51:23] <petn-randall> sponix2ipfw: Most things are easily reversible, so don't worry too much about it.
• 143[00:51:33] <sponix2ipfw> petn-randall: is that a sid backports line, or a buster-backports one ?
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• 145[00:52:46] <deego`> replaced-url
• 146[00:52:53] <sponix2ipfw> petn-randall: well, I just ran apt build-dep libtorrent a second ago, and it brought in things tool chain wise for building that -- odds are I probably needed the extra dev tools anyway :P
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• 149[00:53:18] <deego`> .. even though it's not official debian
• 150[00:54:04] <sponix2ipfw> !dpkg bdo
• 151[00:54:04] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <buster backports>) and oldstable (<stretch backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
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• 155[00:54:44] <sponix2ipfw> !dpkg bdo list
• 156[00:54:44] <dpkg> To list all packages you have installed from <debian backports>: «aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Debian Backports))' --disable-columns -F%p»; apt must know about the origin repository for this to work (i.e. you have a 'deb' line for it in sources.list and 'apt-get update' has been run). To list all backported packages available for your system: «aptitude search '?origin(Debian Backports)'». See also <which repo>.
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• 160[00:55:15] <annadane> you don't need to use !dpkg
• 161[00:55:19] <annadane> ! already invokes dpkg
• 162[00:55:24] <annadane> , is judd stuff
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• 165[00:57:54] <tomg> how can I get jack and firefox working together, preferably without pulseaudio?
• 166[01:01:16] <sponix2ipfw> ,v libtorrent-dev
• 167[01:01:17] <judd> Package: libtorrent-dev on amd64 -- jessie: 0.13.2-1; stretch: 0.13.6-1.1; buster: 0.13.7-1; bullseye: 0.13.8-2; sid: 0.13.8-2
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• 174[01:04:48] <jim> what's dselect the bot do?
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• 176[01:05:25] <sponix2ipfw> jim: makes you ask questions
• 177[01:05:45] <jim> wow, I noticed that!
• 178[01:06:07] <jim> what questions does it make me ask?
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• 182[01:07:03] <jim> seriously though,,, the bot apparantly belongs to themill
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• 184[01:09:27] <petn-randall> tomg: You'd probably have to recompile it if you don't want to use pulseaudio, as it's the upstream default.
• 185[01:09:42] <tomg> okay
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• 187[01:09:56] <tomg> thanks
• 188[01:10:12] <at0m> tomg: also, pulseaudio-module-jack
• 189[01:10:41] <tomg> and further in the rabbit hole i go
• 190[01:10:48] <at0m> tomg: that would get pulseaudio out the way to run jack, then start pulse as jackd client so you can keep using pulse clients
• 191[01:11:04] <at0m> .. all automagic
• 192[01:11:53] <tomg> okay thanks
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• 199[01:15:04] <petn-randall> tomg: Is there a reason you want to use jackd over pulseaudio?
• 200[01:15:08] <Fahrradkette> hi everybody. Is iceweasel still a thing in bullseye? somehow it's not in /usr/bin anymore but only firefox-esr. is it save to create a iceweasel named symlink pointing to firefox-esr so /usr/bin/sensible-browser has a target again?
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• 202[01:16:04] <Fahrradkette> or should that be done in /etc/alternatives ?
• 203[01:16:36] <sponix2ipfw> petn-randall: well, that ended up involving libtorrent-dev libtorrent21 and then rtorrent -- But it is done now... Thank you for the guidance
• 204[01:16:42] <petn-randall> Fahrradkette: It's more sensible to fix your alternatives setup.
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• 206[01:17:06] <petn-randall> sponix2ipfw: Cool, glad it worked out for you. :)
• 207[01:17:09] <Fahrradkette> petn-randall: thanks
• 208[01:17:10] <sponix2ipfw> petn-randall: and oddly enough my qbittorrent still runs (installed from another source and also relies on similar)
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• 210[01:17:51] <petn-randall> Fahrradkette: You probably want to use `update-alternatives` for that, check the details in the man page. I only really use it twice a decade.
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• 213[01:19:30] <sponix2ipfw> petn-randall: So... If I want others to be able to pull that from buster-backports in the future, I have to submit it somewhere ?
• 214[01:19:32] <Fahrradkette> petn-randall: thank you again for the heads up. It's greatly appreciated :)
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• 216[01:20:38] <petn-randall> sponix2ipfw: You can't, unless you're a DD or DM, as the repository upload queue is understandably not open to everyone.
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• 220[01:23:38] <sponix2ipfw> petn-randall: oh, so best I can do is just request one of them do the process I just did, and add that to the repo ?
• 221[01:23:43] <Fahrradkette> the man page of update-alternatives is great: it even has a section "TERMINOLOGY"
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• 245[01:32:38] <soompi> i get confused why the alternatives system was designed as it was
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• 258[01:35:21] <tomg> i think i might have learned enough today
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• 265[01:40:16] <at0m> tomg: as for streaming services and audio with jackd running, mpv plays youtube-dl streams, too :>
• 266[01:40:42] <tomg> okay
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• 268[01:41:42] <at0m> tomg: also, many more doing what i think you're after in #lau
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• 273[01:44:53] <tomg> ah thanks for referring me to that channel
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• 275[01:45:12] <tomg> i guess i'm trying to be able to set up a DAW, or at least a garage band type thing
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• 281[01:46:46] <at0m> :)
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• 327[02:35:32] <jsync2> Hello. I found I have 3 executable files titled "wish", "wish8.4", & "wish8.5" in my usr/bin file folder. Can I make a link to those in usr/local/bin/wish & have the appropriate install for that package? Buster is the same scenario, with link file to the wish library, only Buster doesn't have an executable, nor install candidate, not actually.
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• 329[02:37:03] <jsync2> Buster has a "wish8.6" shared library file in /usr/bin.
• 330[02:38:12] <jsync2> The "wish" file in Buster is simply a link file to "wish8.6" within the same file folder.
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• 413[03:51:21] <jsync2> (I figured out the Tcl & "wish" quandry. Thanks anyway.)
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• 432[04:14:42] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Where one upgrades a package for security, is it necessary to reload everything that depended on the affected library?
• 433[04:15:24] <themill> yes, the needrestart package can help verify that this is done
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• 435[04:18:07] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> I see. I'll look it up later.
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• 437[04:18:11] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> How does it work?
• 438[04:18:32] <soompi> also look up check-support-status
• 439[04:18:51] <soompi> or checkrestart
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• 441[04:20:07] <generic> Is there an easy way to use a file as a password ?
• 442[04:20:29] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> For interactive usage?
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• 444[04:20:44] <generic> yup
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• 448[04:21:34] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> I don't know of any. Stick around for a while, someone might.
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• 458[04:34:02] <nsegkos> generic, except if I'm getting something out of context. What exactly do you have in mind?
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• 460[04:35:34] <generic> put a password on a thumbdrive create an automount and write a pam module that does fopen/fread instead of waiting for input
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• 462[04:36:07] <generic> however which module is the one I'm looking for ? replaced-url
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• 464[04:36:24] <generic> nsegkos
• 465[04:36:28] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> I think this can be done for cryptsetup/booting, but I don't know if PAM has something premade for it.
• 466[04:37:07] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Post-boot, basically
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• 469[04:39:13] <nsegkos> generic, what aurora said pretty much. But also you can check the pam-usb project (replaced-url
• 470[04:40:00] <generic> i know about pam_usb but its no longer active in the recent debian distributions
• 471[04:40:41] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> > Last Update: 2013-04-15
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• 473[04:41:04] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Last actual commit 2011
• 474[04:41:17] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Yeah. That's not looking too lively.
• 475[04:41:19] <nsegkos> Bleeding edge software
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• 477[04:41:57] <generic> well it is a good starting point nonetheless
• 478[04:42:15] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> If the components it uses haven't changed much, it might be usable as is.
• 479[04:43:07] <nsegkos> True
• 480[04:43:08] <nsegkos> Are we talking mass scale or personal use?
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• 482[04:46:27] <generic> personal
• 483[04:46:37] <generic> whats it with libxml ?
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• 485[04:47:40] <generic> I suppose the module would be pam_usb.so ?
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• 488[04:51:20] <nsegkos> According to the wiki entry
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• 600[06:25:13] <LambdaComplex> Question about the interfaces file... Can it be used to create gretap tunnels? Or just gre tunnels?
• 601[06:25:35] <LambdaComplex> (obviously manual would work; I mean other than that)
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• 621[06:55:45] <ThicheBoie> REGISTER Thiche genderconfused@protonmail.com
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• 625[06:58:06] <kinseytamsin> hey, could anyone help me with an SSH tunneling issue? i'm trying to set up the Transmission web interface, make it only open to localhost, and use an SSH tunnel to access it, but i can't seem to connect to it from the client end?
• 626[06:58:42] <Hallodri> beware of MSI MPG X570 GAMING EDGE WIFI AMD X570 So.AM4, one time i can install debian but after run windows 10 one time again it modify the bios or somewhat, all times i must take out the cmos battery and not enough to lay a bridge for minimal an hour
• 627[06:58:54] <Hallodri> cannot usebios if you want. microsoft is a monster
• 628[06:59:00] <kinseytamsin> here's the output i get from ssh while trying to connect in the web browser replaced-url
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• 686[07:55:10] <pirla> Hello everyone. How can I disable BlueTooth at startup? It's enabled by default, but I'd like to enable it manually when needed. I'm using XFCE
• 687[07:57:43] <icmpcat> pirla: try 'systemctl disable bluetoothd'
• 688[07:57:50] <pirla> Everytime?
• 689[07:58:09] <icmpcat> that should disable it from starting on boot sequence
• 690[07:58:24] <icmpcat> my source: replaced-url
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• 692[07:58:32] <pirla> And will I have the ability to turn it on from the panel?
• 693[07:59:15] <icmpcat> what panel? you can turn it on using systemctl start bluetooth
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• 695[07:59:27] <pirla> No, this is not really what am I looking for
• 696[07:59:32] <icmpcat> also, i forgot, it's supposed to be 'systemctl disable bluetooth' (with no d at the end)
• 697[07:59:55] <jsync2> pirla wants a button to start bluetooth.
• 698[08:00:03] <pirla> I have a BlueTooth icon on the top right of my window manager, that I use for disabling it every login
• 699[08:00:16] <pirla> and to enable it
• 700[08:00:31] <pirla> Is it there any pastebin for images?
• 701[08:00:46] <jsync2> pirla, just use the button to toggle bluetooth on & off.
• 702[08:01:07] <pirla> Yes, but I'd like it to be disabled by default
• 703[08:01:23] <jsync2> Use systemctl to disable bluetooth at startup.
• 704[08:01:51] <jsync2> systemctl disable bluetooth
• 705[08:02:37] <pirla> Yes, but later I'll need to enable service if needed
• 706[08:02:45] <pirla> While I'd like to use that icon
• 707[08:02:47] <jsync2> (I just looked up using systemctl to startup in tty.)
• 708[08:03:03] <tripkin> I had installed vlc from deb-multimedia. I have since uninstalled it and removed the the repo, but whenever I do an "apt install vlc" it keeps telling me it cannot install because of various depends. How do I fix it so I can install VLC and have it install it's depends automatically?
• 709[08:03:14] <jsync2> You can use the icon button, pirla.
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• 711[08:04:06] <jsync2> *laughing at tripkin*
• 712[08:04:08] <pirla> tripkin: use "apt-get -f install"
• 713[08:04:45] <tripkin> Thanks jsync2, your laughter really helps assauge my feelilngs. pirla: ah yes, forgot that step...
• 714[08:05:10] <pirla> How can I paste a screenshot?
• 715[08:05:22] <tripkin> However, it did not change anything...
• 716[08:05:40] <kinseytamsin> pirla, maybe imgur.com? i dunno if there's a preferred way here
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• 720[08:06:28] <tripkin> This is the output of the install command, if someone could take a look and offer a suggestion... replaced-url
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• 723[08:07:45] <tripkin> And this is what my apt policy for vlc is: replaced-url
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• 727[08:11:25] <pirla> replaced-url
• 728[08:12:35] <themill> tripkin: can you show us "apt-cache policy vlc-plugin-base; apt-cache policy" too, please?
• 729[08:14:09] <tripkin> themill: sure. replaced-url
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• 733[08:19:19] <pirla> Did you see the ScreenShot?
• 734[08:19:20] <themill> hmm it's likely some library still left from deb-multimedia like libavcodec; what does "apt list | grep dmo.*installed" say?
• 735[08:20:46] <tripkin> replaced-url
• 736[08:21:03] * themill wishes apt search patterns were a thing in buster
• 737[08:21:15] <themill> eep
• 738[08:21:28] <tripkin> Yeah - info overkill
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• 741[08:21:58] <themill> not info overkill -- somewhere between "most" and "all" of those packages are the problem
• 742[08:22:51] <tripkin> Ah, so I should maybe uninstall all of them?
• 743[08:22:53] * themill also wishes deb-multimedia.org would just go away
• 744[08:23:10] <tripkin> This must be part of the problem with deb-multimedia...
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• 746[08:24:02] <themill> yeah, a sledgehammer like: apt list | grep dmo.*installed | cut -f1 -d/ | xargs dpkg -r --force-depends ; apt-get -f install
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• 748[08:24:32] <tripkin> ok. I can give it a try - see what happens...
• 749[08:24:48] <pirla> My BlueTooth?
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• 751[08:27:56] <tripkin> themill: Got this for a response. I will try editing the list (using text editor) and just remove it on the commandline
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• 756[08:29:28] <tripkin> ugh, ugly
• 757[08:31:03] <pirla> Please: replaced-url
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• 763[08:39:14] <pirla> Anyone?
• 764[08:40:06] <at0m> pirla: idle for some time. this isn't a personal hotline. if someone sees and knows, they'll probably tell you.
• 765[08:40:27] <pirla> Yes, you're right. I just got worried
• 766[08:40:42] <pirla> Sorry everyone
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• 769[08:43:28] <pirla> Another thing: I finally saw the SD/MMC reader is recognized as hardware, but it doesn't detect a SD when inserted
• 770[08:43:38] <pirla> 0a:06.4 FLASH memory: ENE Technology Inc SD/MMC Card Reader Controller (rev 01)
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• 774[08:46:04] <at0m> pirla: nothing about /dev/mmc* in dmesg | tail ?
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• 776[08:46:57] <at0m> pirla: or "dmesg -w" while you insert the SD
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• 779[08:48:24] <pirla> no output
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• 782[08:50:47] <pirla> ls: cannot access '/dev/mmc*': No such file or directory
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• 797[09:01:26] <tripkin> Ugh That is going to want to uninstall half my system. LOL
• 798[09:01:32] <tripkin> n
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• 827[09:16:16] <tripkin> I think the easiest way to clean up this mess is just to reinstall. Ah well...
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• 844[09:36:16] <d_l_p> .yt replaced-url
• 845[09:36:17] <faddledooper> [ Never Illegally Download - YouTube ] - replaced-url
• 846[09:36:36] <d_l_p> That's why I use Debian since there's no anti-GNU stuff
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• 849[09:37:38] <d_l_p> .nickserv register Iloverubby123! dogsareamazing@gmail.com
• 850[09:37:50] <d_l_p> It's a Windows user joke.
• 851[09:38:04] <d_l_p> Freenode blocked that command after somebody phished a login.
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• 871[09:50:30] <pirla> Excuse me, I had my relatives at home and I had to stay with them
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• 878[09:55:10] <pirla> Where did we left off?
• 879[09:55:33] <pirla> *sol far
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• 884[10:02:55] <pirla> Oh, yes: BlueTooth and SD/MMC
• 885[10:03:35] <pirla> replaced-url
• 886[10:03:37] <faddledooper> [ BlueTooth - Album on Imgur ] - imgur.com
• 887[10:03:54] <cousin_luigi> pirla: I think I've seen something like that. Does the detection occur if you run parted or gparted?
• 888[10:04:00] <pirla> No
• 889[10:04:30] <cousin_luigi> Are you sure /dev/mmc is the node that ought to be created?
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• 891[10:04:36] <pirla> No
• 892[10:04:57] <pirla> I had that info by typing commands on the cli
• 893[10:05:44] <pirla> (Commands which I can't recall...)
• 894[10:05:58] <cousin_luigi> pirla: Could you recapitulate the problem? What's the link between bluetooth and the card reader?
• 895[10:06:15] <pirla> No, they're separate issues, but we were discussing both
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• 897[10:06:50] <cousin_luigi> OK, so you have a usb card reader that is detected but that fails to detect cards. Am I correct?
• 898[10:06:57] <pirla> The BlueTooth stuff is I'd like to boot with BlueTooth turned off by default and enable it from the panel (see screenshot: replaced-url
• 899[10:07:00] <faddledooper> [ BlueTooth - Album on Imgur ] - imgur.com
• 900[10:07:02] <pirla> Yes
• 901[10:07:14] <cousin_luigi> pirla: Did it use to work at some point?
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• 903[10:07:25] <pirla> The mmc? No
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• 905[10:07:36] <cousin_luigi> Is it internal to a laptop?
• 906[10:07:48] <pirla> yep
• 907[10:08:02] <cousin_luigi> Do you know if it works on windows?
• 908[10:08:09] <cousin_luigi> (absit iniuria verbis)
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• 910[10:08:28] <pirla> No, here's the ID by the way 0a:06.4 FLASH memory: ENE Technology Inc SD/MMC Card Reader Controller (rev 01)
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• 912[10:08:56] <pirla> I don't have Windows here
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• 914[10:09:04] <cousin_luigi> The ID is the one shown by lsusb.
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• 916[10:09:09] <pirla> No, lspci
• 917[10:09:15] <pirla> lspci | grep ard
• 918[10:09:16] <cousin_luigi> Then it's not usb?
• 919[10:09:22] <pirla> Dunno
• 920[10:09:40] <pirla> BlueTooth and WLan are
• 921[10:10:14] <cousin_luigi> pirla: try lspci -n
• 922[10:10:19] <cousin_luigi> we need the ID
• 923[10:10:35] <pirla> 0a:06.4 0501: 1524:0551 (rev 01)
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• 925[10:11:39] <cousin_luigi> Is it mentioned in dmesg?
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• 927[10:12:35] <pirla> replaced-url
• 928[10:12:38] <pirla> somewhat
• 929[10:12:38] <faddledooper> [ debian Pastezone ] - paste.debian.net
• 930[10:13:48] <pirla> By the way, I'm using a MicroSD -> SD adapter, maybe this is the issue?
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• 932[10:14:00] <pirla> I guess the adapter doesn't work
• 933[10:14:18] <cousin_luigi> pirla: grep CONFIG_MMC_SDHCI_PCI /boot/config.whatever
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• 935[10:15:05] <pirla> No output at all
• 936[10:15:42] <pirla> replaced-url
• 937[10:15:44] <faddledooper> [ debian Pastezone ] - paste.debian.net
• 938[10:16:15] <cousin_luigi> pirla: modinfo sdhci-pci
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• 940[10:16:44] <cousin_luigi> I bet the module is not present at all.
• 941[10:17:05] <pirla> replaced-url
• 942[10:17:08] <faddledooper> [ debian Pastezone ] - paste.debian.net
• 943[10:18:19] <pirla> The module is present
• 944[10:18:25] <cousin_luigi> Strange.
• 945[10:18:43] <pirla> Again, could it be the adapter is not working?
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• 947[10:18:53] <cousin_luigi> Yes, that's possible.
• 948[10:19:01] <cousin_luigi> Do you have a full sized sd card to test
• 949[10:19:02] <cousin_luigi> ?
• 950[10:19:14] <pirla> No. So, I'll try to get another ASAP
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• 952[10:19:48] <pirla> Cab you help me with BlueTooth?
• 953[10:19:55] <pirla> *Can
• 954[10:21:15] <cousin_luigi> What's the question with it?
• 955[10:21:48] <pirla> I'd like to boot with BlueTooth disabled and enable it manually, but without stopping the service
• 956[10:21:54] <pirla> Look at my ScreenShot
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• 958[10:22:03] <pirla> replaced-url
• 959[10:22:05] <faddledooper> [ BlueTooth - Album on Imgur ] - imgur.com
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• 962[10:22:45] <cousin_luigi> I don't use bluetooth, so I can't help you there. Sorry.
• 963[10:22:54] <pirla> No problem, thanks anyhow
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• 965[10:23:38] <cousin_luigi> Perhaps there's a module option to start disabled? Like rfkill on 80211n ?
• 966[10:24:06] <pirla> Maybe, but I don't want the BlueTooth fully excluded, just start disabled
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• 968[10:24:16] <pirla> Because I have to disable it every login
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• 970[10:27:29] <FSF-GNU-Soldier> i think if you use systemctl disable $bluetooth-service-name it can still start up if requested - just not started during login
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• 974[10:27:43] <FSF-GNU-Soldier> it is when you use systemctl mask that it cannot start at all
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• 976[10:29:50] <pirla> No, I'm trying to disable it like I would by right clicking the icon and turn it off, but by default
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• 981[10:37:44] <pirla> Also I can't make a ScreenShot of the menu to let you see what's the problem
• 982[10:37:52] <pirla> Stamp R Syst doesn't work
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• 989[10:45:51] <pirla> replaced-url
• 990[10:45:53] <faddledooper> [ Zoinks! You've taken a wrong turn. ] - imgur.com
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• 995[10:51:27] <pirla> I guess I got it: replaced-url
• 996[10:51:30] <faddledooper> [ Maybe I got it - Album on Imgur ] - imgur.com
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• 1004[10:54:01] <pirla> Yes, it worked
• 1005[10:54:07] <at0m> yay!
• 1006[10:54:07] <pirla> Thanks everyone
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• 1008[10:54:48] <pirla> I'll have a try with another SD tonight, if possible. For now I'll just leave
• 1009[10:54:50] <pirla> Bye
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• 1026[11:04:47] <DolphinKun3> .weather US
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• 1028[11:04:49] <faddledooper> DolphinKun3: [{'temp': 12.6, 'datetime': datetime.datetime(2020, 2, 2, 0, 0)}, {'temp': 10.2, 'datetime': datetime.datetime(2020, 2, 3, 0, 0)}, {'temp': 6.1, 'datetime': datetime.datetime(2020, 2, 4, 0, 0)}, {'temp': 5.3, 'datetime': datetime.datetime(2020, 2, 5, 0, 0)}, {'temp': 5.5, 'datetime': datetime.datetime(2020, 2, 6, 0, 0)}, {'temp': 5.8, 'datetime': datetime.datetime(2020, 2, 7, 0, 0)}, {'temp': 7.2, 'datetime': datetime.datetime(2020, 2, 8, 0,
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• 1031[11:05:15] <at0m> who put that bot here?
• 1032[11:05:41] <at0m> please take it elsewhere
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• 1038[11:06:57] <d_l_p> .rand
• 1039[11:06:58] <faddledooper> d_l_p: random(0, 9223372036854775807) = 5913393904222804381
• 1040[11:07:12] <at0m> !ops bot spam ^^
• 1041[11:07:12] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: at0m complains about a problem (see above)
• 1042[11:07:16] <d_l_p> .wikipedia Debian
• 1043[11:07:33] <d_l_p> .clock
• 1044[11:07:48] <d_l_p> How is it spam? I was asking it.
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• 1046[11:07:56] <d_l_p> I spent days programming it.
• 1047[11:08:25] <at0m> good for you. now take it elsewhere. there's such a bot in #debian-offtopic, this is a debian support channel
• 1048[11:08:36] <d_l_p> Okay, sure.
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• 1051[11:08:56] <at0m> also, it's just sopel. not that hard.
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• 1057[11:13:53] <vlt> Hello. On Debian 10 as Xen dom0 I want to pass a USB device to an HVM domU. Following the wiki replaced-url
• 1058[11:14:04] <vlt> Did anyone have such a problem and solve it? Any idea what to check next?
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• 1061[11:15:48] <Bierdieb> Hello all. i have a problem running adb on my debian 10 buster machine. The hint on my problem looks as follows: " If you see “command not found” errors, adb may need to be placed in ~/bin" How to "place" the adb tools in bin then?
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• 1090[11:31:26] <ratrace> vlt: not helping your problem but... any particular reason you're using xen instead of kvm?
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• 1093[11:33:37] <vlt> ratrace: No, I think KVM wasn't around when we began using XEN.
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• 1123[11:59:32] <nyov> try #debian-xen, or #xen (freenode) perhaps
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• 1155[12:23:52] <CrazyTux> hello, I have installed and enabled tlp on my laptop. How can I know that it is working and working the way it should be?
• 1156[12:24:12] <CrazyTux> I want a better battery life on my laptop.
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• 1162[12:25:48] <vlt> nyov: Thanks.
• 1163[12:26:21] <CrazyTux> ikonia, are you there?
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• 1168[12:30:44] <dfstorm> CrazyTux : you can try Disabling the service, check power usage and battery usage through powertop ... then activate the service and check again. Battery life is a tricky thing to test; beside power consumption, there is other points that have impact and that cannot be "seen right now" (Need monitoring and analysis)
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• 1173[12:36:11] <CrazyTux> dfstorm, ok
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• 1175[12:36:37] <CrazyTux> is anyone here using or has tried mx linux?
• 1176[12:36:49] <CrazyTux> mx linux is a debian based distro.
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• 1180[12:43:59] <nt80> this channel is about Debian distro
• 1181[12:44:23] <enyc> CrazyTux: me, please join #mxlinux channel.
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• 1183[12:45:01] <CrazyTux> enyc, yes.
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• 1262[13:57:14] <fuxxy> Trying to debug a configuration using remote commands issued by ssh. Is there a way to log commands issued through an ssh client without relying on ~/.bash_history ?
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• 1303[14:37:18] <Cybertinus> hi! I've got a Debian 10.3 machine which tries to connect to a security-cdn.debian.org mirror that is down. How can I make it switch mirrors, so I can install updates?
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• 1307[14:38:21] <Cybertinus> or: I've got other 10.2 machines at my disposal which updated fine earlier today. Is there a way to exctract the single package that needs updating from one of them and then ust copy that to the correct directory on the misbehaving VM?
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• 1310[14:38:47] <Cybertinus> ust = just
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• 1316[14:46:25] <RadoS> Cybertinus, maybe that's a round-robin DNS alias.
• 1317[14:47:18] <RadoS> Cybertinus, if so, flush your local DNS-cache then retry.
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• 1321[14:52:45] <Cybertinus> ok, lets try that
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• 1357[15:16:03] <timothywcrane> mid dist-upgrade from stretch to buster. Full disk encrypted LVM with sep /boot . Before I reboot, any advice... got told will not find drives as moved from LUKS 1 to LUKS 2.
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• 1359[15:17:21] <NetTerminalGene> timothywcrane, i didn't encounter any issue
• 1360[15:17:28] <NetTerminalGene> same setup
• 1361[15:17:59] <timothywcrane> found this replaced-url
• 1362[15:18:44] <J0P3YE> I turned off my bluetooth from Xfce panel, and now can't seem to get bluetooth to respond. Can y'all help turning bluetooth back on?
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• 1364[15:20:34] <timothywcrane> That's what I get for reading the release notes instead of just repos, update upgrade dist reboot. Much more fun to read them later... LOL
• 1365[15:23:32] <timothywcrane> here goes, will be back on android if it borks
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• 1378[15:34:54] <Lvl4Sword> Debian 10 is having this issue on Mate: replaced-url
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• 1384[15:37:45] <J0P3YE> Lvl4Sword: Thanks.
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• 1387[15:38:25] <J0P3YE> I'll give that a whirl here in an hour or so.
• 1388[15:38:48] <Lvl4Sword> J0P3YE, No problem! Been noticing it for a bit and took a while to find out it was a known issue. Though it hasn't been patched in Debian and figured it should be.
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• 1402[15:44:48] <nyov> areplaced-url
• 1403[15:44:49] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1404[15:45:13] <maka> ciao
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• 1406[15:45:32] <maka> ciao
• 1407[15:45:40] <maka> !list
• 1408[15:45:40] <dpkg> maka: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi replaced-url
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• 1410[15:46:27] <dob1> why the factoid is in italia?
• 1411[15:46:32] <dob1> *italian
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• 1413[15:46:57] <dob1> because only italian type !list ?
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• 1416[15:47:20] <GNU\colossus> that's a well known fact on irc!
• 1417[15:47:23] <GNU\colossus> ciao a tutti, btw
• 1418[15:47:31] <nyov> dob1: exactly :)
• 1419[15:47:34] <dvs> they were saying bye!
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• 1423[15:48:04] <nyov> lol
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• 1427[15:49:34] <dob1> not so nice :(
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• 1430[15:51:50] <tradar> !lost
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• 1481[16:16:07] <shankszxlhero1> 111
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• 1489[16:18:54] <shankszxlhero1> 1
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• 1496[16:21:53] <jelly> shankszxlhero1: do you need any help?
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• 1498[16:21:58] <jelly> !ask
• 1499[16:21:59] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 1508[16:27:37] <maka> ciao
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• 1525[16:34:32] <joepublic> if your complaiant is "it doesn't work", try making sure the building has power and that your device is connected to that power. once it starts working and generating some results, we can troubleshoot them.
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• 1532[16:36:43] <shankszxlhero1> 1
• 1533[16:37:04] <shankszxlhero1> 1\
• 1534[16:37:05] <shankszxlhero1> 1
• 1535[16:38:00] <dvs> if the 0 works, he can explain the problem using binary!
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• 1538[16:38:34] <dob1> he is not italian :)
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• 1540[16:39:04] <ratrace> dvs: yeah but the bandwidth of that.... ain't nobody got tiem for that!
• 1541[16:39:36] <dvs> yeah, you're probably right. Morse code would be better...
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• 1545[16:41:06] <joepublic> well, anagram of nick, 'zero shank sxlh'
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• 1554[16:44:52] <at0m> Herzl sax's honk
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• 1556[16:45:32] <joepublic> I guess this is how you can tell it's not a weekday
• 1557[16:46:03] <at0m> you should have been on yesterday. caturday like no other, all over freenode
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• 1564[16:50:24] <tsarompy> did you have a good caturday at0m
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• 1566[16:50:53] <tsarompy> ah i was gonna ask about my sudo nopasswd issue but it seemed to resolve itself with a reboot
• 1567[16:50:55] <tsarompy> :D
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• 1569[16:51:42] <at0m> tsarompy: let's say i rarely seen so many +b's handed out
• 1570[16:52:08] <tsarompy> in here??
• 1571[16:52:25] <at0m> and other channels
• 1572[16:52:36] <at0m> and for good reason
• 1573[16:53:00] <annadane> trolls?
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• 1575[16:53:03] <tsarompy> im kinda hoping that conspiracy guy comes back and tells us how we're being watched by the gov't
• 1576[16:54:22] <joepublic> um, there really is a government conspiracy to watch us.
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• 1579[16:54:55] <annadane> replaced-url
• 1580[16:55:02] <joepublic> There's also replaced-url
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• 1582[16:55:28] <annadane> though that being said that person who came in irc is nuts, i know who's being referred to
• 1583[16:55:48] <joepublic> yeah actual conspiracy + conspiracy nut = bad news
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• 1587[16:56:51] <joepublic> I personally know someone who insists they can tell when the government is sending mind control rays through the television. they explain that they keep tools to smash the TV when this happens. There is a sinkhole behind their house full of smashed TV sets.
• 1588[16:57:24] <joepublic> when i saw it there were at least a dozen old tube type tvs in there
• 1589[16:57:30] <at0m> i suggested #d-o to some, first, so maybe we should take this there, too =)
• 1590[16:57:47] <joepublic> I am sure some of the spy network runs Debian, right?
• 1591[16:57:49] <annadane> this is just a conspiracy to silence legitimate discussion
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• 1593[16:58:13] <at0m> ehehe =)
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• 1638[17:24:57] <erts> Hi there, I installed Debian (stable, testing and unstable) in my GPD Win (first version) and it is unable to show me the battery status at all (it says there's no battery or power source, even if I have it plugged in). I tested many other distros (latest 3 versions of Ubuntu, Fedora 30 and 31, openSUSE Tumbleweed...) with different kernel versions (from 4.x to 5.x) and all of them show me the battery status out of the box but Debian. Any idea of what I
• 1639[17:24:57] <erts> could be missing? Thanks!!
• 1640[17:26:14] <at0m> erts: laptop-mode-tools ? acpi?
• 1641[17:26:41] <erts> at0m: yup, unless I'm missing any config options, or didn't enable them properly
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• 1643[17:27:28] <erts> I have 3 other laptops (normal laptops though) and all their features work perfectly out of the box
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• 1661[17:41:02] <mdx0> I'm trying to configure my network but I get this outputs: wpa_supplicant: /sbin/wpa_supplicant daemon failed to start
• 1662[17:41:02] <mdx0> #
• 1663[17:41:02] <mdx0> run-parts: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpasupplicant exited with return code 1
• 1664[17:41:02] <mdx0> #
• 1665[17:41:02] <mdx0> ifup: failed to bring up wlan0
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• 1668[17:41:46] <sponix2ipfw> !ssb
• 1669[17:41:47] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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• 1673[17:42:37] <petn-randall> mdx0: Please use replaced-url
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• 1675[17:42:52] <mdx0> okay
• 1676[17:43:15] <petn-randall> mdx0: Can you please paste the full command + output? Did you edit /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpasupplicant?
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• 1682[17:48:34] <erts> Anybody has an idea about my issue? A bit desperate here :(
• 1683[17:48:35] <rinuxl2> Client: HexChat 2.14.3 • OS: Debian kali-rolling • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2310M CPU @ 2.10GHz (2.10GHz) • Memory: Physical: 3.8 GiB Total (2.2 GiB Free) Swap: 3.9 GiB Total (3.9 GiB Free) • Storage: 24.8 GB / 98.6 GB (73.7 GB Free) • VGA: VMware SVGA II Adapter @ Intel Corporation 440FX - 82441FX PMC [Natoma] • Uptime: 2h 49m 5s
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• 1689[17:50:10] <mdx0> I edit: /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf and created the directory /var/run/wpa_supplicant
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• 1694[17:51:17] <jhutchins> mdx0: First determine if the interface is available. Many wifi adapters require firmware.
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• 1699[17:52:41] <mdx0> I'm that guy with debian on the pi...and I'm not so experienced ..
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• 1702[17:54:23] <mdx0> what I should determine?
• 1703[17:55:41] <mdx0> okay, you mean the interface
• 1704[17:55:50] <mdx0> but how
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• 1706[17:57:10] <dob1> mdx0, if you are on raspbian there is raspi-config
• 1707[17:57:21] <mdx0> it
• 1708[17:57:53] <mdx0> it's a not raspbian it's debian 10
• 1709[17:58:02] <dob1> if it's on pi I think it's raspbian
• 1710[17:58:18] <dob1> pi you mean raspberry pi?
• 1711[17:58:57] <mdx0> yes, but it's an debian image
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• 1713[17:59:23] <dob1> I don't think you can run debian on raspberry... but anyway use raspbian
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• 1715[17:59:59] <dob1> that it's debian
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• 1717[18:01:18] <mdx0> replaced-url
• 1718[18:01:39] <petn-randall> dob1: It's completely fine to run Debian on a RPi. The 4 also allows running it out of the box.
• 1719[18:01:59] <joepublic> "Don't use Debian" is pretty poor #debian advice imo
• 1720[18:02:09] <dob1> joepublic, raspbian is debian
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• 1722[18:02:18] <joepublic> !raspbian
• 1723[18:02:19] <petn-randall> Probably not the most hassle-free way, but it's always nice that someone is trying to push the limits and document the issues on the way.
• 1724[18:02:19] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 1725[18:02:26] <petn-randall> dob1: That's unfortunately not true.
• 1726[18:02:36] <petn-randall> Or luckily, your pick. :)
• 1727[18:02:48] <dob1> petn-randall, it's for some firmware issues but it's like the same
• 1728[18:03:01] <joepublic> "(Something not Debian) is Debian" is even worse
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• 1730[18:03:58] <petn-randall> dob1: Raspbian has different installers, different image setup, and different kernels.
• 1731[18:04:04] <dob1> All Raspberry Pi models before the 4 (1A, 1B, 1A+, 1B+, Zero, Zero W, 2, 3) boot from their GPU (not from the CPU!), so they require a non-free binary blob to boot.
• 1732[18:04:05] <petn-randall> dob1: Which makes it "not Debian".
• 1733[18:04:06] <dob1> here is
• 1734[18:04:14] <dob1> before 4 ! :)
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• 1736[18:06:23] <jaakkos> Network configuration in particular works differently with Raspbian and Debian, by default
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• 1738[18:07:07] <dob1> you mean predictable interfaces?
• 1739[18:07:47] <J0P3YE> Lvl4Sword: It looks like that bug report was for Mate.. what about Debian-Xfce?
• 1740[18:07:48] <jaakkos> R-Pi uses dhcpcd while Debian uses ifupdown, or perhaps network-manager if DE is installed
• 1741[18:07:49] <petn-randall> No, you can add network config to a text file on the SD card, and raspbian will pull it from there.
• 1742[18:07:56] <jhutchins> dob1: I believe you can install genuine debian on some models of the pi.
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• 1744[18:08:45] <jhutchins> dob1: However, Raspian is not the same as debian.
• 1745[18:08:51] <mdx0> okay, it's debian and I wanna the debian way. How I can figure out why ifup wlan0 not working?
• 1746[18:09:50] <petn-randall> mdx0: Have you pasted what I asked for yet?
• 1747[18:09:59] <dvs> mdx0, IIRC the Raspberry Pi uses Broadcom WiFi hardware
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• 1750[18:11:12] <mdx0> please wait a moment
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• 1753[18:12:49] <mdx0> replaced-url
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• 1760[18:14:11] <petn-randall> mdx0: Does the output change with `ifup -v wlan0`?
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• 1762[18:14:40] <petn-randall> mdx0: How did you end up with "wlan0" as interface name? Shouldn't it be a predictable network name?
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• 1764[18:15:05] <mdx0> yes, a bit
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• 1766[18:15:14] <budlight> hi
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• 1769[18:15:38] <petn-randall> mdx0: Can you show the output of `systemctl status wpasupplicant`?
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• 1771[18:16:36] <mdx0> yes, but I needs a moment
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• 1774[18:17:14] <mdx0> how is the command to get the output to a file, please?
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• 1781[18:19:54] <petn-randall> mdx0: There's no need, you should be able to copy/paste it to the website.
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• 1784[18:20:40] <mdx0> okay
• 1785[18:21:06] <petn-randall> mdx0: You can run `systemctl status wpasupplicant 2>&1 > yourfile.txt` to redirect STDOUT and STDERR to yourfile.txt.
• 1786[18:22:16] <nyov> Why does gnupg DEPEND on gnupg-l10n? why is it a separate package then?
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• 1789[18:23:13] <petn-randall> nyov: Probably because one is arch-independent, and the other one isn't.
• 1790[18:23:45] <mdx0> replaced-url
• 1791[18:24:52] <petn-randall> mdx0: Ok, so the issue doesn't seem to be because of wpasupplicant failing to start.
• 1792[18:25:14] <petn-randall> mdx0: We'll need to find out why the script fails to run. Does `ifup -v ...` show the line it failed in?
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• 1796[18:26:41] <nyov> humm. I dislike when I can't remove locale crap.
• 1797[18:27:02] <nyov> thankfully there's still gnupg1 package
• 1798[18:27:07] <petn-randall> nyov: You can, you'll just break packages.
• 1799[18:27:42] <nyov> right :) I could go hardcore on it. don't feel like doing that
• 1800[18:27:43] <petn-randall> There's also "localepurge".
• 1801[18:27:53] <jelly> !equivs
• 1802[18:27:53] <dpkg> equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>.
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• 1805[18:29:49] <nyov> thanks, jelly. good idea. though that doesn't quite feel right - why is it a required dependency, when I can just eqiv it?
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• 1807[18:29:51] <cryptopsy> how do i put a screenshot in a copy buffer so i can paste it in openoffice?
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• 1809[18:30:10] <jelly> I have about 1GB of du /usr/share/locale on this workstation; if you're building for an embedded system you'll probably have a smaller set of packages tho
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• 1811[18:30:15] <mdx0> replaced-url
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• 1814[18:31:24] <jelly> nyov: if you have to resort to equivs, you're basically working outside the packaging system, and just want to make it not complain. It's on you to actually make sure things are not broken.
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• 1816[18:31:57] <petn-randall> That's probably not worth 4 MB.
• 1817[18:32:19] <nyov> I just checked the package - it still doesn't look like it warrants 'depends' level. but oh well
• 1818[18:32:24] <nyov> I'm just trying to build lean container images. they don't need locales there
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• 1820[18:32:38] <nyov> so actually I'll replace gnupg with gpgv here
• 1821[18:32:44] <jelly> cryptopsy: depends on the screenshot tool? KDE's thing has an explicit button to copy the image, or you can drag and drop it
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• 1823[18:33:30] <cryptopsy> jelly: import
• 1824[18:33:34] <mdx0> I put that output into a file but it is not completed ifup -v wlan0 > test.txt ( don't make it right).
• 1825[18:34:42] <mdx0> how I can write the command output into a file correctly ?
• 1826[18:34:43] <jelly> cryptopsy: imagmagick cli? nothing about "clipboard" or "copy" or "paste" in the manual
• 1827[18:34:45] <petn-randall> mdx0: That's not the command I gave you, probably that's why.
• 1828[18:35:16] <petn-randall> mdx0: Note that any spawned processes might still output to your terminal, which is why copy/paste is simpler.
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• 1830[18:35:29] <mdx0> yeah, you said ifup -v wlan0
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• 1833[18:36:11] <mdx0> yeah, but it's on a other machine and I have to copy it bitween the to pc via a usb-stick...
• 1834[18:36:12] <petn-randall> mdx0: You're at least missing 2>&1 to redirect all output.
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• 1836[18:36:28] <petn-randall> mdx0: Can't you ssh into the other machine?
• 1837[18:36:35] <jelly> cryptopsy: googs says xclip can do it. Never tried it.
• 1838[18:36:38] <petn-randall> Then you could just copy/paste from the GUI terminal.
• 1839[18:37:03] <jelly> cryptopsy: replaced-url
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• 1841[18:37:43] <mdx0> petn-randall, I'm not so experienced
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• 1845[18:39:40] <petn-randall> mdx0: If you can use ssh, it would make a lot of things easier. You can control your Pi from your system, and especially don't have to type messages from the terminal.
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• 1849[18:42:11] <jelly> did you just say "I never used this thing, therefore I will continue not using it"
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• 1855[18:43:35] <mdx0> how I get theoutput from ifup -v wlan0 correctly in a file?
• 1856[18:44:25] <cadre> > ?
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• 1858[18:45:22] <petn-randall> mdx0: Read the backlog, I already explained this.
• 1859[18:45:29] <mdx0> cadre, yes, but it cut a few lines
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• 1861[18:45:49] <mdx0> petn-randall, yes I will
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• 1886[18:54:37] <mdx0> I tried ifup -v wlan0 2>&1 > myfile.txt ...but it missing something
• 1887[18:55:17] <petn-randall> mdx0: As I said, any processes that are spawned will still write to your terminal, you can't redirect that output.
• 1888[18:55:18] <mdx0> it's not identic with the output on the screen
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• 1891[18:56:38] <mdx0> petn-randall, okay, I can typing into it with keyboard
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• 1908[19:06:39] <AndikaSagala> what is the top #1 GPU for Physician nor Astronomer?
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• 1913[19:09:15] <f8e3> my user manager startup takes 60+ seconds, checkd the journalctl -xe and that "start job for unit * has successfully finished, how to see which one? and maybe dont wait for it, eg it seems to have truble with raising the network-dispatcher.service
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• 1919[19:11:56] <petn-randall> AndikaSagala: I'd guess your physician does not need a GPU to practice.
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• 1945[19:24:15] <petn-randall> nyov: I fyou want to build minimal container images where every MB counts you're probably better off with a specialized distro, anyway.
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• 1947[19:26:21] <dob1> petn-randall, for example?
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• 1949[19:27:27] <petn-randall> dob1: Alpine linux
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• 1951[19:28:30] <dob1> petn-randall, I take a look
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• 1969[19:36:39] <nyov> petn-randall: nah, i'm not that masochistic for a VM. on an embedded system I'd take alpine, but not for this :)
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• 1989[19:46:41] <FuzzyByte> Hi
• 1990[19:47:01] <petn-randall> hi FuzzyByte
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• 1992[19:48:39] <mdx0> thanks a lot for Support
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• 2001[19:52:17] <InvisibleRasta> hello guys, iam looking on where i can download the bootable dvd with wireless drivers
• 2002[19:52:23] <InvisibleRasta> i think its called nonfree right
• 2003[19:52:30] <petn-randall> !firmware images
• 2004[19:52:30] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
• 2005[19:52:36] <petn-randall> InvisibleRasta: ^^^
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• 2007[19:52:59] <InvisibleRasta> those are netinstalltho right? there is no xfce dvd one?
• 2008[19:53:40] <petn-randall> InvisibleRasta: Clicking on that link I can comfirm what you see.
• 2009[19:55:33] <jelly> if there were dvd images they'd probably be in ../iso-dvd
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• 2015[19:56:27] <maka1970> !list
• 2016[19:56:27] <dpkg> maka1970: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi replaced-url
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• 2020[19:57:48] <nyov> again, maka? lol
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• 2027[20:00:11] <rareman> replaced-url
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• 2029[20:00:59] <nyov> sounds legit... capital..join..reflink
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• 2033[20:01:59] <FuzzyByte> Why is this channel even used for advertisements?
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• 2053[20:08:08] <FuzzyByte> Some maniac made a IRC Client in bash.
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• 2059[20:09:24] <petn-randall> FuzzyByte: Can you get your IRC client fixed? You're always dis- and reconnecting.
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• 2073[20:16:49] <FuzzyByte> Some maniac wrote a bash Irc client. That's what I call dedication.
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• 2076[20:18:13] <nyov> who or what installs /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem ?
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• 2081[20:19:25] <petn-randall> FuzzyByte: It's one of the simplest protocols, so it's not too surprising to me.
• 2082[20:19:36] <netcrash> Hello, is it possible to mount a nfs share from centos 8? I'm getting ount.nfs4: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported
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• 2086[20:20:33] <petn-randall> netcrash: What NFS version is the server running?
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• 2088[20:20:38] <deb> FuzzyByte, where at?
• 2089[20:20:45] <FuzzyByte> Well, it is small,but it's still crazy stuff.
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• 2091[20:21:06] <deb> url?
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• 2093[20:21:30] <FuzzyByte> Ah
• 2094[20:21:36] <FuzzyByte> Yea gimme a sec
• 2095[20:21:44] <netcrash> petn-randall: how can I check that ?
• 2096[20:21:53] <FuzzyByte> replaced-url
• 2097[20:22:28] <petn-randall> netcrash: Probably in the config of the centos 8 server.
• 2098[20:22:30] <FuzzyByte> As it is more customizable that WeeChat,I might as well use it.
• 2099[20:22:46] <petn-randall> FuzzyByte: Until the next shellshock comes by ;)
• 2100[20:23:17] <spacebug^> ,file etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem
• 2101[20:23:18] <FuzzyByte> Oh well
• 2102[20:23:21] <judd> Search for etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem in buster/amd64: python-tripleo-image-elements: usr/share/tripleo-image-elements/apache2/os-apply-config/etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem
• 2103[20:23:27] <nyov> spacebug^: found it, it was ssl-cert
• 2104[20:23:36] <deb> FuzzyByte, cool
• 2105[20:23:46] <nyov> just had to dpkg-reconfigure ssl-cert for a new one
• 2106[20:24:09] <spacebug^> nyov: ah ok. Is it generated though? Because judd only finds it in one package and that was no it
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• 2108[20:24:41] <nyov> yes, that's why I asked. it's generated. (maybe should have a stub that belongs to the package)
• 2109[20:24:50] <spacebug^> ah ok
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• 2115[20:28:10] <nyov> hm, actually the old one must be removed first. rm /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem
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• 2117[20:28:55] <nyov> mine was somehow from 2010 and the service couldn't start because it was somehow insecure... time flies
• 2118[20:29:14] <spacebug^> what service is using snakeoil cert?
• 2119[20:29:51] <nyov> unconfigured postfix and postgres. I think apache2 SSL site as well. probably others
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• 2121[20:30:10] <spacebug^> ah ok
• 2122[20:31:02] <nyov> this was postgres complaining. since it's not running on the network, I won't give it a custom cert
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• 2125[20:31:49] <netcrash> petn-randall: with rpcinfo -p | grep nfs I see it's using version 4 and 3
• 2126[20:31:59] <spacebug^> can you configure the cert when creating it using dkpg-reconfigure? For example make it valid for 20 years instead
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• 2128[20:32:30] <petn-randall> netcrash: My experience with NFS is that if the client fails, it's usually the server that's not properly configured. Does it work with other clients?
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• 2131[20:33:04] <netcrash> petn-randall: I'm using krb5
• 2132[20:33:08] <netcrash> for auth
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• 2136[20:33:52] <nyov> spacebug^: don't think so. see `man make-ssl-cert`
• 2137[20:34:21] <spacebug^> will do
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• 2142[20:38:19] <trysten> hi #debian! here for a bit of advice on mindset. Since python2.7 is unsupported, how should I think about it?
• 2143[20:38:46] <trysten> Should I purge the packages or what?
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• 2145[20:39:29] <FuzzyByte> There's many software still on python 2.x, but for now, don't think about it too much
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• 2154[20:42:58] <petn-randall> trysten: If you're using Debian packages in stable, they'll still be supported during the lifecycle of that release. Though it's a good idea to look for py3 alternatives already.
• 2155[20:44:14] <nevivurn> What's the proper procedure for packaging software that already comes with a systemd unit file? I'm looking at dh_installsystemd, am I supposed to copy the unit file into debian/ for packaging?
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• 2158[20:45:11] <petn-randall> nevivurn: It's probably best if you ask your question in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net.
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• 2161[20:45:26] <nevivurn> Ah, will try there
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• 2167[20:46:45] <spacebug^> FuzzyByte: you have connection problems with you IRC client
• 2168[20:47:10] <trysten> thank you for the useful advice as always! <3
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• 2172[20:47:42] <nyov> just because python2 is EOL, doesn't suddenly make it rotten or bad. is my mindset.
• 2173[20:49:52] <nyov> huh? Client Quit doesn't sound like connection problem. does it?
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• 2175[20:51:21] <jelly> it sure does, at a frequency of once per minute
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• 2194[21:04:25] <Manouchehri> How can I edit a postinst script that's causing my apt-get -f to fail?
• 2195[21:04:36] <Manouchehri> I thought I did it awhile ago without needing to repack the .deb, but forgot how.
• 2196[21:04:53] <jelly> Manouchehri: very carefully
• 2197[21:04:56] <empresses> nice. killall5 is nowhere near killall (name). All services and work in progress died :D
• 2198[21:05:11] <Manouchehri> ah /var/lib/dpkg/info/name.postinst
• 2199[21:05:18] <jelly> Manouchehri: /var/lib/dpkg/i... you got it
• 2200[21:05:25] <empresses> whois fyzzybyte
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• 2202[21:05:53] <jelly> fuzzy, not fizzy nor fyzzy
• 2203[21:06:17] <empresses> why did he get banned?
• 2204[21:07:11] <jelly> if you join ##fyc the channel they got redirected to, you might find out
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• 2209[21:09:01] <empresses> I c m8. May he come to terms with his sins.
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• 2211[21:09:31] <jelly> (I don't know if they're a he)
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• 2216[21:13:05] <empresses> I was talking about the internet. Legend has it that it's a he. Discriminatory, violent, rough, rude, dangerous, chaotic, unforgiving and strange.
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• 2226[21:22:25] <tangarora_> whats the secret to running x apps via sudo? In the default gnome desktop debian does not allow this... but int the kde desktop no problem... whats up?
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• 2231[21:23:57] <jelly> tangarora_: which apps in particular do you want to run, and is it as root or as some other normal user?
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• 2233[21:25:07] <empresses> tangarora_: my best guess is that gnome and some apps looks at who the executioner is and simple disagrees with that and exists. You'd have to alter its source code.
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• 2235[21:26:33] <empresses> I think what'd have to do instead is to run the specific apps as sudo and if they refuse and exit then run them as a user to which you grant file access to whatever it is that you need to access.
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• 2237[21:27:17] <empresses> But network tools for example that require root for certain things, they will allow you to run them as root.
• 2238[21:27:27] <n_1-c_k> tangarora, <replaced-url
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• 2240[21:27:50] <empresses> anyway, tangarora_, depending on what it is: check if it has a --allow-exec-as-root flag (I just made that flag up) or something like that. Some software has that.
• 2241[21:28:08] <jelly> empresses: which software has that?
• 2242[21:28:18] <empresses> jelly: what, that has such a flag?
• 2243[21:28:25] <jelly> yes
• 2244[21:28:31] <empresses> jelly: don't know, but I've seen it.
• 2245[21:28:54] <empresses> ethereal I think, superseded by wireshark now that let you run it as root.
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• 2249[21:29:40] <empresses> no, not ethereal according to duckduck
• 2250[21:31:11] <empresses> jelly: found plenty of examples on duckduck. One you may recognize: php-fpm
• 2251[21:31:24] <empresses> --allow-to-run-as-root Allow pool to run as root (disabled by default)
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• 2253[21:31:40] <empresses> I wasn't being crazy after all. Even I doubted myself.
• 2254[21:31:40] <spacebug^> with X you could use xauth if I remember correct, but default gnome in debian is using wayland so I don't think that will work there
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• 2257[21:33:34] <jelly> empresses: that's not an X app
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• 2265[21:36:45] <tangarora_> Jelly; it my admin script interacting with the end user using zenity.
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• 2267[21:37:18] <empresses> jelly: I didn't say x-apps, I said some apps. It's not hart do imagine x-apps that does the same given the structure of this operating system.
• 2268[21:37:26] <tangarora_> I all works fine id debian is installed with the kde desktop but not gnome...
• 2269[21:37:51] <empresses> jelly: I only suggested that he could be looking for such a flag since some apps got it. His X-apps just might.
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• 2271[21:38:05] <empresses> and I hate the word app but even I use it now.
• 2272[21:38:26] <jelly> tangarora_: hm, are you sure your Gnome session is running in X and not Wayland?
• 2273[21:38:43] <jelly> I don't know how to check.
• 2274[21:39:25] <tangarora_> jelly, well now i guess you are on to a good clue!! Since this does not do the trick unless invoked manually: echo "xhost local:root" >> /home/$_OEM_USER/.bashrc
• 2275[21:39:26] <spacebug^> 'ps -ef | grep wayland' in a console
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• 2280[21:40:58] <tangarora_> I am running a script via /etc/xdg/autostart/ and enable the auto sudo via the sudoers file temporarily as part of an OEM install...
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• 2283[21:41:22] <tangarora_> Then I remove these temp elevated privs...
• 2284[21:41:41] <tangarora_> works like a charm in kde like I said... checking on the weyland thing...
• 2285[21:41:43] <jelly> tangarora_: why are you not using an /etc/sudoers.d/packagename file
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• 2287[21:42:27] <jelly> but gaining sudo's not the problem, so not relevant
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• 2289[21:42:49] <tangarora_> well thats what I am doing: echo "setupuser ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL" >> /etc/sudoers.d/99_sudo_include_file
• 2290[21:43:11] <tangarora_> it works... just not in gnome... :)
• 2291[21:44:53] <tangarora_> I have to get this piece working on all de's then the final step is to temporarily also unlock the LUKS root / until setup is done and then remove the key for LUKS.. but one thing at a time... :)
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• 2293[21:45:17] <spacebug^> tangarora_: if using wayland try 'sudo -EH application'
• 2294[21:45:28] <spacebug^> it worked for me. Was reading replaced-url
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• 2298[21:46:24] <tangarora_> OK that is good detective work!
• 2299[21:46:53] <tangarora_> Wayland is apparently default for gnome on debian!
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• 2301[21:47:06] <tangarora_> I thought I was loosing it.
• 2302[21:47:11] <spacebug^> yes (even though you ca still choose X)
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• 2307[21:48:26] <jelly> tangarora_: I suggest running zenity/dialog/xdialog as normal user, and then calling the stuff that actually needs root with sudo
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• 2313[21:49:47] <tangarora_> Jelly, thats a thought... bit of a hasstle though if something takes time... then again ith the auto sudo turned on... good suggestion..
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• 2316[21:50:30] <tangarora_> wow... X is so much faster in a vm... "KVM"
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• 2329[21:55:27] <tangarora_> Ok so inevitable follow up q... is it the best way to set default session to x and not wayland update-alternatives --config x-session-manager something something?
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• 2334[21:56:12] <somiaj> can't you just select the waylend or xorg session from the gdm display manager?
• 2335[21:56:38] <somiaj> should also be a set default or some option there as well to
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• 2341[21:58:50] <Bushmaster> hi folks, I am soliciting consultation on Debain based LAN networking. Anyone who is fluent in Linux based network, write me
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• 2345[22:00:01] <tangarora_> somiaj: is I paid someone to sit there and make that selection that would absolutely be an option... :=)
• 2346[22:00:05] <tangarora_> if
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• 2349[22:00:51] <Bushmaster> hi folks, I am soliciting consultation on Debain based LAN networking. Anyone who is fluent in Linux based network, write me
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• 2364[22:09:29] <somiaj> tangarora_: how are you logging into xorg then? (anyways I'm not sure if waylend uses x-session-manager or not)
• 2365[22:10:37] <somiaj> well I guess I should say how are you logging into gnome.
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• 2369[22:12:52] <tangarora_> cat << OEM_GDM3_LOGIN_OPTION > /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf with the 3 entries for autologin and waylandEnable=false seems to work fine.
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• 2372[22:13:45] <tangarora_> somiaj: I tell gdm to auto login. And then to run a script when it logs in.
• 2373[22:14:18] <tangarora_> The script completes the setup by installing all the apps people need/want... normal users that is... :)
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• 2375[22:15:09] <tangarora_> Oh and I do some UI tweaks and download desktop backgrounds... install gnome extensions from extensions.gnome.org...
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• 2377[22:15:11] <somiaj> how do you configure gdm to autologin? Maybe when you are doing that you can also set the default session for gdm.
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• 2381[22:15:58] <somiaj> but if using the x-sessions-manager works, that is also an option (again I'm unsure if waylend session uses that or not)
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• 2383[22:16:21] <tangarora_> somiaj: i just did... :) waylandEnable=false goes in the /ets/gdm3/daemon.conf file... with the autologin options.
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• 2385[22:17:25] <tangarora_> somiaj: I just turned wayland off... but include the weyland-yutani wallpaper... for geek fun! :)
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• 2391[22:23:11] <kingsley> Can the "sagemath" package's dependency "libgsl23 (>= 2.5)" be improved to cause version 2.5+dfsg-4 of the "libgsl23" package to be upgraded to version "2.5+dfsg-5"? If so, how?
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• 2397[22:24:35] <somiaj> ,v libgsl23
• 2398[22:24:36] <judd> Package: libgsl23 on amd64 -- buster: 2.5+dfsg-6; bullseye: 2.5+dfsg-6+b1; sid: 2.5+dfsg-6+b1
• 2399[22:25:16] <somiaj> kingsley: I don't quite understand the question/issue there, the dependency is >= 2.5, and apt should be pulling in the most recent version in the repos unless something else is holding it back.
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• 2407[22:28:15] <somiaj> kingsley: have you looked at the output of apt policy libgsl23
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• 2411[22:30:04] <kingsley> somiaj: Thanks. Your reasonable comments inspired me to research! Hold on...
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• 2423[22:38:04] <kingsley> somiaj: Thank you for observing that if apt sees a dependency of ">= 2.5", it should pull in the most recent version in the repos unless something else is holding it back. The entries in /var/log/dpkg.log are silent on package "libgsl23" when I would have otherwise expected it to have been upgraded with the "sagemath" package. I followed your advice and pasted the output of "apt policy libgsl23" at replaced-url
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• 2425[22:39:13] <somiaj> looks like it is upgraded, maybe it was just upgraded before the sagemath upgrade
• 2426[22:39:26] <somiaj> but it appears to be the current version which is a -6 (not a -5 like you seemed to expect)
• 2427[22:39:34] <kingsley> I wonder which version of the "libgsl23" packages was in the repository when I upgraded sagemath yesterday.
• 2428[22:39:55] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 2429[22:40:46] <somiaj> seems like 2.5+dfsg-6 has been in buster since its release
• 2430[22:40:47] <kingsley> somiaj: Sorry! Through no fault of yours, I neglected to mention I manually upgraded "libgsl23" with "apt-get install libgsl23" after I found a bug.
• 2431[22:41:35] <kingsley> And the bug was caused by version 2.5+dfsg-4.
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• 2436[22:42:16] <somiaj> so it seems strange you had that version unless you were running testing between august and septemeber 2018 which was the small window that version was avaialble
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• 2439[22:43:02] <Bushmaster> hi folks, I am soliciting consultation on Debain based LAN networking. Anyone who is fluent in Linux based network, write me
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• 2442[22:44:00] <kingsley> somiaj: I'm perplexed too.I believe was not running testing then.
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• 2452[22:48:30] <kingsley> somiaj: I may be speaking out of turn, but how confident are you that when apt-get sees a dependency of ">= 2.5", it should pull in the most recent version in the repos unless something else is holding it back?
• 2453[22:49:53] <somiaj> strongly, that is how apt works. When apt is installing a package, it pulls in the highest version in ones repos (unless pinning is involved), and apt policy packagename will always show you what versions are availalbe and what version apt will install
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• 2455[22:50:13] <somiaj> but pinning or holds can cause apt to not upgrade things to the highest version
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• 2458[22:51:44] <kingsley> somiaj: Are my guesses correct that you assumed "apt policy libgsl23" would reveal pinning, and its output in the paste bin did not?
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• 2460[22:52:32] <somiaj> no I was just pointing you that direction to see what apt is thinking, I didn't know what it would output
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• 2464[22:53:45] <Bushmaster> hi folks, I am soliciting consultation on Debain based LAN networking. Anyone who is fluent in Linux based network, write me
• 2465[22:54:00] <Wally> no need to repeat yourself Bushmaster
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• 2467[22:54:29] <Bushmaster> Wally, did you get parking ticket for that?
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• 2474[22:58:06] <kingsley> somiaj: Is my assumption correct we agree the output of "apt policy libgsl23" at replaced-url
• 2475[22:59:19] <somiaj> well you may want to look at apt policy for that, but for this package there is a single version, and that vesion is both the installed and candidate version
• 2476[22:59:35] <somiaj> as to what it was before you fixed the issue I cannot say
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• 2479[22:59:49] <somiaj> or as to why you had some version that had a about a month window
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• 2482[23:01:24] <kingsley> somiaj: Thank you for sharing your expertise so generously on my mystery. Expertise, generosity and tolerance for ambiguity are all fine qualities!
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• 2496[23:12:38] <sponix2ipfw> Bushmaster: what exactly do you need help with ?
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• 2499[23:14:06] <Bushmaster> hey
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• 2503[23:14:54] <Bushmaster> sponix2ipfw, i am sorry I may have made comments that are socially idiosyncratic
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• 2506[23:15:27] <sponix2ipfw> that didn't answer my question
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• 2514[23:17:43] <Bushmaster> are you female sponix2ipfw
• 2515[23:18:01] <BazookaTooth> oh this again
• 2516[23:18:03] <sponix2ipfw> !ops Bushmaster being annoying again
• 2517[23:18:04] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: sponix2ipfw complains about a problem (see above)
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• 2520[23:19:45] <Wally> I figured this guy was problematic.
• 2521[23:20:13] <dvs> Several times.
• 2522[23:20:37] <sponix2ipfw> I glance in here from time to time to see if anyone needs help... And here is Bushmaster trying to hump my leg again
• 2523[23:20:43] <sponix2ipfw> real classy
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• 2528[23:21:29] <sponix2ipfw> Does anyone actually need help ?
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• 2533[23:23:13] <NieDzejkob> sponix2ipfw: I don't know what the context behind your question is because I have just joined, but I, for one, do need help.
• 2534[23:23:27] <dvs> ask away
• 2535[23:23:38] <NieDzejkob> I'm trying to upgrade my sid system and I'm getting this error: replaced-url
• 2536[23:23:47] <sponix2ipfw> NieDzejkob: that was exactly my question -- if anyone needed help :)
• 2537[23:23:55] <NieDzejkob> relevant line: Detected unsafe path transition / → /var during canonicalization of /var/log/journal.
• 2538[23:23:56] <deego> During upgrade to buster, I see this warning: "cryptsetup: WARNING: The initramfs image may not contain cryptsetup binaries ..." which asks me to remove cryptsetup-initramfs. Surely that's not right. I have encrypted partitions that are unlocked during boot. How do I fix this?
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• 2540[23:24:00] <NieDzejkob> absolutely ungooglable
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• 2543[23:25:08] <sponix2ipfw> deego: you might be running into a Luks version 1 vs Luks version 2 conflict ... Another person had that going on, not 100% sure how they resolved it
• 2544[23:25:15] <Bushmaster> sponix2ipfw, I asked you a simple question, are you female? Even NASA job applications will ask the declare your gender. For that you called OPS and try to ban me
• 2545[23:25:52] <deego> sponixah, thanks for the hint. I will go google that.
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• 2547[23:26:15] <NieDzejkob> Bushmaster: there's a great difference between applying for a job and talking on IRC, y'know
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• 2549[23:26:49] <sponix2ipfw> Bushmaster: this is Debian Linux IRC support chat -- Not a NASA Job interview
• 2550[23:27:00] <BazookaTooth> Bushmaster: because you made stupidass sexist comments yesterday. take that shit elsewhere
• 2551[23:27:25] <sponix2ipfw> Bushmaster: so, have your Mom drive you to NASA, so you can try to pick up Girls there
• 2552[23:27:29] <NieDzejkob> huh. somehow / is now owned by me and not root
• 2553[23:27:51] <NieDzejkob> looks like that fixed my problem
• 2554[23:27:56] * dvs waits for debhelper to cut in
• 2555[23:28:01] <NieDzejkob> (that = "sudo chown root:root /")
• 2556[23:28:01] <sponix2ipfw> NieDzejkob: I must say I haven't seen that one before -- that really long word is new to me :)
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• 2558[23:28:30] <sponix2ipfw> NieDzejkob: yeah, having wrong ownership on / could cause all sorts of issues for sure
• 2559[23:28:34] <NieDzejkob> NieDzejkob: what are you referring to?
• 2560[23:28:36] <sponix2ipfw> NieDzejkob: glad you found it
• 2561[23:28:46] <NieDzejkob> I'm not sure how that / permission got changed
• 2562[23:29:21] <NieDzejkob> oh, I was just messing around with building packages and I now see that I left off a 'fakeroot' from one of my commands
• 2563[23:29:38] <sponix2ipfw> NieDzejkob: lol -- oops
• 2564[23:30:17] <Bushmaster> folks are getting sensitive, i must be touching too close to home NieDzejkob sponix2ipfw BazookaTooth
• 2565[23:30:23] <NieDzejkob> OK, so I guess that lets me pop one problem from my problem stack...
• 2566[23:30:50] <sponix2ipfw> NieDzejkob: well, since you are running Sid -- I just figured you like problems anyway lol
• 2567[23:31:34] <NieDzejkob> I don't recall ever having a problem caused by running Sid
• 2568[23:31:48] <NieDzejkob> it mostly fixes problems when I need a newer package...
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• 2571[23:32:30] <sponix2ipfw> NieDzejkob: I know another Debian user from my Mint support chats, he is doing Sid now also, and has had a good experience so far
• 2572[23:32:40] <BazookaTooth> right... 23:22 -!- Bushmaster was kicked from #debian by petn-randall [you should know better]
• 2573[23:33:13] <deego> sponix2ipfw: hm, been googling all this time. no luck yet
• 2574[23:33:21] <sponix2ipfw> NieDzejkob: I'm doing Buster, with a fair amount of Backports .. Just recently did the SSB for rtorrent 0.9.8
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• 2576[23:33:34] <deego> i worry it will be unbootable after the upgrade :|
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• 2579[23:34:11] <sponix2ipfw> deego: it was something about Debian 9 doing regular LUKS 1, and that being depreciated in Debian 10 buster for LUKS 2 -- And the word GRUB was mentioned a few times
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• 2583[23:34:36] <sponix2ipfw> deego: know what I recommend ?
• 2584[23:35:12] <deego> i see. reading replaced-url
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• 2586[23:35:33] <sponix2ipfw> deego: backup all your important data onto something that is easy to manage (NO Crypto) .. Do a clean install of Buster, and pull that data back in
• 2587[23:35:34] <NieDzejkob> so, maybe someone here will have any ideas on how to escape the clusterfuck I got myself into. I've got this machine behind two NATs (it's a raspi, so let's call it that). I run the sidedoor daemon on it - it's a little program that can be used to keep an ssh connection alive. This lets me keep a tunnel between the raspi and a more "network-liberated" machine. Unfortunately, there's no way to test config changes to this tunnel, if it doesn't work,
• 2588[23:35:34] <NieDzejkob> you're screwed.
• 2589[23:35:54] <NieDzejkob> I added another port forward, on port 445
• 2590[23:36:02] <deego> sponix2ipfw: ikr, i might have to recover from a backup, yes
• 2591[23:36:12] <NieDzejkob> that's problematic because only root may listen on ports below <1024
• 2592[23:36:21] <deego> that page seems to suggest that luks1 is supported as well, and if anything, it's luks2 that's not fully supported by grub
• 2593[23:36:47] <devfx11> i had problems cause of default luks2
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• 2595[23:36:51] <NieDzejkob> I'm currently considering patching openssl to either let anyone open the port or intercept the request and move it to a higher-numbered port
• 2596[23:36:55] <devfx11> its totally different
• 2597[23:36:59] <sponix2ipfw> deego: I could very well have the versions turned around
• 2598[23:37:05] <NieDzejkob> is there a more reasonable solution?
• 2599[23:37:20] <kingsley> somiaj: I'm happy to report I may have found a *second* dependency of sagemath that seems to me to have been ignored, but which I haven't yet manually upgraded, so interesting diagnostic data may still be available. If it would be convenient, comfortable, interesting, helpful and another opportunity for you to signal your tech skillz, and all those good things, feel free to suggest how I might diagnose apt. I'm thinking of something like
• 2600[23:37:20] <kingsley> "apt-get -V install sagemath"
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• 2603[23:37:56] <somiaj> what dependency? apt won't automatically upgrade packages if the dependency is met when installing a new package
• 2604[23:37:58] <sponix2ipfw> NieDzejkob: why only root below 1024 -- sshd doesn't run as "root" does it ? Most of my services don't
• 2605[23:38:00] <somiaj> only upgrade will upgrade package
• 2606[23:38:50] <sponix2ipfw> hmm, I have to tag out now.. Real life calls
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• 2609[23:39:05] <sponix2ipfw> will try to keep up on mobile when I am not driving
• 2610[23:40:06] <NieDzejkob> sponix2ipfw: the main sshd process seems to be running as root on my machine
• 2611[23:40:22] <NieDzejkob> it's a standard unix limitation, no?
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• 2613[23:40:35] <deego> also, reading that, I'm a bit confused. replaced-url
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• 2615[23:41:11] <devfx11> how do you tell luks to use luks1 not 2?
• 2616[23:41:37] <devfx11> i mean cryptsetup LuksFormat ... ?
• 2617[23:42:03] <NieDzejkob> isn't there a separate luksFormat2 command for luks2?
• 2618[23:42:21] <devfx11> there is ?
• 2619[23:42:38] <NieDzejkob> just checked, I must be misremembering
• 2620[23:42:52] <Namarrgon> "--type luks2"
• 2621[23:43:03] <kingsley> somiaj: Thanks. "$ apt-cache show sagemath" says it depends on "gap-core (>= 4r10p0-3)". But, neither aptitude or apt-get's "install" upgrades my version 4r10p0-7 to the version currently in unstable, 4r10p2-2. Maybe it
• 2622[23:43:16] <devfx11> so if i want luks 1 i must tell it --type luks2 or it will default to version 2
• 2623[23:43:22] <devfx11> the newest cryptsetup program
• 2624[23:43:27] <devfx11> or so i think at least
• 2625[23:43:52] <NieDzejkob> no, --type luks2 makes it version 2
• 2626[23:44:15] <NieDzejkob> you should do --type luks1
• 2627[23:44:20] <somiaj> kingsley: as I said, the version you have intalled meets the depends, so apt won't upgrade it because it doesn't have to. You need to run 'apt upgrade' or 'apt dist-upgrade' to upgrade packages that are already installed
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• 2629[23:44:52] <kingsley> somiaj: Oops! Sorry. I accidentally pressed the <enter> key too soon. I also wanted to type... "Maybe it's a matter of apt{-get,itude} install not upgrading to the latest version in unstable.
• 2630[23:45:17] <somiaj> installing a package won't upgrade already installed packages if the installed one satsifies the depends.
• 2631[23:46:00] <devfx11> logic
• 2632[23:46:13] <kingsley> somiaj: Well, well, well! I've been running a FrankenDebianUnstable box for years, and you're the first person to enlighten me about that important consideration!
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• 2635[23:47:20] <devfx11> i also have a frankendeb :) should delete it already, i dont even use it, it stsarted with kali then i added some repos from debian i think testing too and maybe unstable too ? :D but anyways last time i checked there were more then 2000 package updates :D
• 2636[23:47:59] <kingsley> Aside from (sage)math and open source, I'm also interested in software complexity, and how robust debian's cool admin tools like "dpkg" and our dependency tree are.
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• 2638[23:48:46] <somiaj> dpkg doesn't really hvae dependency resolution or a dependency tree. dpkg just knows what packages are installed and wither or not they satsifiy a given packages dependenciees.
• 2639[23:48:47] <dpkg> somiaj: that's too long
• 2640[23:49:06] <somiaj> apt is the one with the logic that figures out dependency trees to try to figure out what needs to be installed
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• 2642[23:49:41] <kingsley> For what it's worth, I'd also be happy to be shown a command that installs the latest version of a package and its dependencies, without upgrading all installed packages.
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• 2645[23:50:10] <somiaj> just keep your system upto date, upgrade before installing packages is often suggested
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• 2648[23:51:37] <deego> kingsley: apt install <pkg>
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• 2650[23:52:32] <somiaj> dpkg: that may not upgrade dependencieies if they are already installed and stasfiy the dependency is the issue
• 2651[23:52:32] <dpkg> I think you lost me on that one, somiaj
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• 2653[23:52:41] <somiaj> arg, deego ^^
• 2654[23:52:55] <dob1> dpkg, is not a bot?
• 2655[23:52:56] <dpkg> dob1: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
• 2656[23:53:02] <dob1> ah ok
• 2657[23:53:44] <deego> somiaj: ah, true
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• 2659[23:57:24] <kingsley> deego: I tried your reasonable suggestion: "apt install <pkg>". Maybe unfortunately, somiaj was right. It overlooked a newer version of the dependency in unstable.
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• 2661[23:58:31] <somiaj> because install is not an upgrade, you should keep your system upgraded.
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