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0[00:00:14] * annadane wonders if i should just --no-install-recommends everything but probably a bigger headache than required
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2[00:00:35] <Kali_Yuga> JackFrost: to late... so what is just 9,231 kB of additional disk space...still just trying to ge 360 videos on youtube working
3[00:00:44] <Kali_Yuga> get^
4[00:01:12] <EdePopede> Kali_Yuga: ah, nice. iirc it is only a recommendation, i install these manually
5[00:01:30] <JackFrost> Kali_Yuga: It's the additional stuff that it pulls in. Anyway, youtube-dl in Debian is pretty outdated, specifically buster but even sid falls behind.
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7[00:02:02] <JackFrost> annadane: If it looks like it's pulling in a lot, it's handy to add that option and see what'd get left out. Then you can look at the package description to see if it might be useful to you.
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9[00:02:06] <EdePopede> indeed. one of the few packages where i really recommend using upstream
10[00:02:19] <JackFrost> I don't, I just have my own package. :3
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13[00:02:32] <EdePopede> though i only update if there are problems with sites i use, twice a week is simply too much for my taste xD
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16[00:02:45] <JackFrost> Their updates have slowed down.
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21[00:03:59] <EdePopede> and the python2 issue for dailymotion still isn't solved. hashbang just says python, which may mean 2, not 3, which would be needed. but it's just a quick edit, so who cares
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23[00:04:38] <JackFrost> EdePopede: That being said, I'm not saying my way is the only way. What works best for you. :)
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25[00:04:59] <EdePopede> TMTOWTDI
26[00:05:01] <JackFrost> ytdl is very likely broken in buster, it certainly is for youtube videos, though.
27[00:05:14] <annadane> thanks google!
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45[00:19:47] <JackFrost> annadane: ...Mind a random PM?
46[00:20:19] <annadane> i guess not lol
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68[00:34:48] <ItsAlwaysDnS> ERROR 1146 (42S02): Table 'mysql.users' doesn't exist
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82[00:49:11] <Jabberwocky> shit... lol
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128[01:26:57] <de-facto> Question about packaging: How would I add a system user "acme" in group "acme" (if those don't exist already) and add group "ssl-cert" (if not existing already) and make user "acme" member of group "ssl-cert" in the postinst?
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130[01:27:12] <darsie> Where could I call scripts before and after sleep/hibernate?
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132[01:28:18] <darsie> boinc/seti@home fails after sleep/hibernate, so I want to stop it before and start it after sleep/hibernate.
133[01:28:40] <mackerel449> how do i skip waiting at bootup? e.g. for boot devices that aren't plugged in
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137[01:33:30] <zerocool> if kde is installed, you try to `apt update` and receive error about dpkg lock, what do you stop in order to continue with apt
138[01:33:39] <zerocool> like what is that kde package manager
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140[01:38:52] <mackerel449> zerocool: apper?
141[01:40:27] <mackerel449> gnome-software does the same, it locks dpkg for minutes by pre-downloading updates
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167[01:57:45] <jozek_palacz> hi
168[01:58:55] <jozek_palacz> any of you did fde?
169[01:59:13] <jozek_palacz> on 10 buster succesfully
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171[02:00:47] <jozek_palacz> aftter command "cryptsetup luksAddKey /dev/YourDeviceName /keyfile"
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173[02:01:01] <jozek_palacz> got an arror "Failed to open key file"
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176[02:01:33] <jozek_palacz> any idea what's the problem?
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183[02:06:48] <KillThemAll> This is a long shot and I know it but I'm at my wits end here really. Using perf how can get it to use a fixed architectural register. I know the format for events (eg cpu/cmask=x,event=y,.../ ) and I just found out about the uncore/event=x,cmask=y,.../ form by trying and dumb luck) - any idea what others there are or where they'll be code wise?
184[02:07:03] <KillThemAll> I'm spread thin between sysfs, perf as a tool in Linux's source, and perf in userspace
185[02:07:29] <KillThemAll> I am using Debian, but there's nowhere else to try really, I've tried the obvious ##linux ofc.
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224[02:56:31] <alazy> How can I make apt accept a debian package installed via dpkg -i as a substitute for a nearly identical package that is missing from a derivative's repo? I know that may not work but little to lose.
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240[03:05:12] <nyov> !equivs
241[03:05:12] <dpkg> equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>.
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243[03:06:09] <nyov> alazy: if you installed the debian package, create an equivs that satisfies the other package's dependency
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245[03:08:22] <nyov> de-facto: ask #debian-mentors (oftc)
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265[03:35:58] <de-facto> nyov, thanks
266[03:36:15] <KillThemAll> Bump?
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270[03:43:51] <alazy> !package recompile
271[03:43:52] <dpkg> 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) apt update; apt install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; apt build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, apt install ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
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296[04:07:13] <alazy> !debian/rules
297[04:07:13] <dpkg> debian/rules is the makefile used when building a .deb from source, edit it to change compilation options. Some packages use sophisticated build systems that should be documented in debian/README.source. Also remember to make a new entry in debian/changelog with "~yourname" (for a backport) or "+yourname" (for a recompile) added to the version number. See also <makefile>, <hold>, <package recompile>, <source>, <unique package version>.
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310[04:12:54] <nyov> alazy, you can also /msg dpkg privately
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373[05:41:29] <alazy> nyov: sry, learning. My deriv.distro's repo lacks the python3-pyqt5.qtwebengine pkg so I dl from debian's pkg repo. A debian pkg depends on python3.pyqt5.qtwebchannel version A, my system has same pkg version B. I created,installed a dummy qtwebchannel version A with equivs then with satisfied dependency could install debian pkg for qtwebengine. Test; crash; reading suggests it's because of missing
374[05:41:31] <alazy> qtwebchannel pkg. Thought I could install both versions. Seems like installing dummy version A removed needed version B (downgrade?). Stumped. How do I tell apt I have version A while keeping distro's version B of same pkg so program works?
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388[06:02:23] <alazy> Never mind, I figured it out. sudo dpkg --force-depends-version -i python3-pyqt5.qtwebengine.deb
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406[06:26:50] <somiaj> alazy: you don't want to do that
407[06:27:05] <somiaj> alazy: learn to build packages against your own distros libaries.
408[06:27:15] <somiaj> (apt will not work if you have broken depends)
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503[08:18:48] <alazy> somiaj: You're right. Apt complained. I cleared the pkg's dependencies in /var/lib/dpkg/status and apt worked again but I can see how that is not a great solution. I'll learn to build a pkg, as soon as I lose 10kg :) I needed this _now_.
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524[08:32:30] <Plasmoduck> Can someone try and ping openmediavault.org please? I can't access it
525[08:32:38] <Plasmoduck> I think its just me for some reason
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577[09:01:01] <veek> how do you enable suspend-to-ram DEEP in the debian kernel.. cat /sys/power/mem_sleep just lists [s2idle]
578[09:01:13] <veek> CONFIG_SUSPEND
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580[09:03:41] <IAmHal2000> Veek systemctl suspend
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583[09:05:57] <veek> IAmHal2000, or s2ram etc that's just the frontend.. replaced-url
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585[09:08:00] <veek> oh hmm got to write two strings - lemme check - thanks
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590[09:09:43] <veek> echo -n "deep">/sys/power/mem_sleep write error: Invalid argument
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598[09:15:14] <PaddyF> what if you skip the "-n" option?
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602[09:15:49] <PaddyF> besides - there is a 2 year old bug on launchpad that could match
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633[09:38:57] <jelly> Plasmoduck: 64 bytes from sh16-41.1blu.de (178.254.11.33): icmp_seq=2 ttl=54 time=20.1 ms
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658[10:00:53] <erle--> How can I add a locale? neither dpkg-reconfigure nor locale-gen exist on my system ...
659[10:01:03] <erle--> all wikis are pointing to those commands
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661[10:02:53] <erle--> I added it to /etc/locale.gen, but I don't know how to generate now
662[10:02:55] <jelly> erle--: make sure /usr/sbin is in PATH when you're running commands as root.
663[10:03:12] <jelly> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure
664[10:03:44] <erle--> jelly: thanks, that solved it
665[10:03:53] <jelly> !buster su
666[10:03:53] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
667[10:04:12] <jelly> a common cause
668[10:04:38] <erle--> jelly: returning from Ubuntu after 14 years 🙈
669[10:05:52] <jelly> or just install locales-all package, and then you'll have all the locales the whole time
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671[10:06:28] <jelly> at the expense of... 200MB disk space
672[10:06:55] <erle--> it's a single-user system, not worth it
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678[10:17:32] <RoyK> erle--: yeah, disk space is expensive these days…
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685[10:23:26] <erle--> The problem is not disk space. The problem is side effects of bloat.
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688[10:24:28] <erle--> My languages are German and English, one time an app that did not have German localization was displayed in Italian (which was installed but not configured)
689[10:24:54] <erle--> Or some weird mixed stuff.
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698[10:30:24] <dob1> it's better that I disable secure boot?
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707[10:40:10] <dob1> my doubt is, if I install the system with secure boot off and then I enable it the system will not boot, right?
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713[10:41:56] <diogenes_> dob1, it should boot either way.
714[10:42:05] <tichun> Hi, I've added multiarch arm64 on amd64, and cannot apt-get libraries that depend on python2.7 as it errors were encountered while processing it
715[10:43:50] <dob1> diogenes_, I am reading here replaced-url
716[10:43:57] <dob1> either if secure boot is disabled
717[10:44:01] <dob1> *even
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719[10:44:40] <tichun> most probably the cause: /var/lib/dpkg/info/python2.7-minimal.postinst: 42: /var/lib/dpkg/info/python2.7-minimal.postinst: /usr/bin/python2.7: Exec format error
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725[10:46:06] <valdyn> tichun: how does adding arm64 make sense when you cannot run it?
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727[10:46:58] <valdyn> tichun: the preinst / postinst scripts may need to run package contents...
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729[10:47:17] <tichun> i wanted to cross compile for arm but it required libraries for arm as well. so should i make chroot instead?
730[10:47:27] <valdyn> tichun: you cant run arm64
731[10:47:34] <valdyn> tichun: a chroot does not change that
732[10:47:41] <tichun> qemu-chroot
733[10:47:57] <valdyn> tichun: ok, that should work I guess
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741[10:51:51] <valdyn> tichun: are you following this replaced-url
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743[10:52:45] <valdyn> tichun: looks to me like you dont need chroot then
744[10:53:05] <valdyn> tichun: err, nevermind, it uses chroot too
745[10:53:13] <valdyn> tichun: anyway i cant help you with it
746[10:54:45] <tichun> Thanks. Currently reading replaced-url
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780[11:19:37] <HelloShitty> Hello
781[11:19:50] <HelloShitty> Isn't there any GPG dedicated channel here in Freenode?
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794[11:25:48] <n_1-c_k> HelloShitty, '/msg alis list pattern' for channels matching pattern.
795[11:26:04] <HelloShitty> I tried it already
796[11:26:32] <HelloShitty> it came out emepty, that's why I came here to ask because it could be that there was some deicate channel but with different name
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800[11:29:58] <HelloShitty> Anyway, maybe you guys here can help me. I'm using one of my keys to encrypt messages, and the application I'm using to send these messages has a away systeem and when my status goes from away to online or the opposite, my gpg-agent (I guess) is asking my password. So, this becomes annoying. I think there is some setting I can change so that the expiration time is longer. I guess the default is
801[11:30:04] <HelloShitty> something like 15 minutes or so
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837[11:59:56] <dob1> I don't understand why I get the message of "Force UEFI" on installation why there are no os installed on this pc...
838[12:00:21] <dob1> maybe the usb pen I am using for the installation counts in this?
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842[12:02:10] <Amr20201> مرحبا
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845[12:03:39] <Amr20201> hi
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856[12:09:17] <Amr20201> hi
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862[12:11:56] <Amr20201> testdisk /dev/sdb
863[12:11:58] <Amr20201> Unable to open file or device /dev/sdb: No medium found
864[12:12:37] <Amr20201> أحتاج الى المساعدة
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991[13:48:48] <alfatau> hi everybody. trying to get here an answer I'm not able to get on the web: having set up a software raid-1 (mdraid) with 2 disks. Should read speed be comparable to a 2-disks striped array or not? Actually I get similar performances for both reads and writes, and it appears behaving like a "master-slave" array: only the first disk appear to be used
992[13:48:49] <alfatau> while reading. thank you in advance.
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995[13:49:24] <abrotman> alfatau: you want to know if RAID1 and RAID0 have the same read speed?
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997[13:50:07] <alfatau> abrotman: yes, if it should be for linux software raid (mdraid) or not
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1000[13:50:24] <jelly> alfatau: linux md raid1 uses just one member for a single threaded read io
1001[13:50:30] <ratrace> alfatau: not for single process iirc, but concurrent access will benefit from N members in the mirror
1002[13:50:31] <joepublic> abrotman, my gnome friend :)
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1006[13:51:24] <abrotman> alfatau: note, the speed you see reading may have to do with the size of files as well
1007[13:51:35] <abrotman> joepublic: haven't run away screaming yet?
1008[13:51:38] <ratrace> alfatau: you can use fio to test read(and write) performance at different concurrency levels
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1010[13:52:29] <joepublic> well, I can't start gnome, suspect I need to delete preferences somehow and try again, don't know what to delete, i have a ~/.gnome2 and ~/.config/gnome-games, -mplayer, and -session -- none look promising outright
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1012[13:52:57] <abrotman> joepublic: using startx? is this after adding that extension?
1013[13:53:03] <joepublic> yes, and yes
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1016[13:53:21] <abrotman> joepublic: you don't have ~/.config/gnome-session/ ?
1017[13:53:34] <joepublic> yes, i do, delete that?
1018[13:53:37] <alfatau> ok folks, I just verified by launching two times the same process, effectively now both disks are being used. thank you very much
1019[13:53:48] <abrotman> or move it aside, perhaps less cavalier :)
1020[13:53:53] <joepublic> thanks will do
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1022[13:54:21] <abrotman> I believe that's the proper directory to resolve that (assuming that's what is actually causing it)
1023[13:54:30] <joepublic> just a guess. will try brb
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1034[13:58:44] <joepublic> indeed gnome now starts.
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1036[13:59:21] <abrotman> I've not had an extension make gnome unable to start (in fact, I have that extension running now)
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1039[14:00:16] <joepublic> I would like to have the ckb and autokey working of course
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1042[14:01:53] <abrotman> As I mentioned, if you use the "software center" you can search for extensions to approximate a tray
1043[14:02:03] <joepublic> on it
1044[14:02:10] <abrotman> I do'nt use autokey, but I can try it to see what trays might work
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1052[14:06:24] <Jemt> Hi. I'm upgrading from Debian 9 to 10 today. I just did `dpkg --get-selections | grep -i deinstall` to see what packages are scheduled for removal. This list includes e.g. apache2.2-bin. First: How does Debian 9 know to remove this packages when upgrading to Debian 10? I have not yet changed my apt-get sources. Second: Why does it intend to remove
1053[14:06:25] <Jemt> my web server ?
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1056[14:08:12] <joepublic> tray icon thing now working; thank you.
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1058[14:08:38] <abrotman> apparently I have all kinds of systray icons that were trying to run :)
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1061[14:09:52] <epsilon> Jemt: that command has nothing to do with an upgrade, it only shows you packages you once have installed, but unintalled again
1062[14:09:55] <jelly> Jemt: sometimes packages change names and their functionality is fully replaced by a package with a different name
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1064[14:10:16] <Jemt> jelly: I see. That makes sense :)
1065[14:10:40] <Jemt> epsilon: I'm fairly sure this is not a "history" function. These packages are marked for deletion.
1066[14:10:57] <jelly> Jemt: however, to facilitate release upgrade a dummy "transitional package" is left in the distro for another release.
1067[14:11:02] <jelly> ,i apache2.2-bin
1068[14:11:04] <judd> No package named 'apache2.2-bin' was found in buster/amd64.
1069[14:11:20] <jelly> ,i apache2.2-bin --release 8
1070[14:11:22] <judd> No package named 'apache2.2-bin' was found in buster/amd64.
1071[14:11:24] <jelly> ,i apache2.2-bin --release jessie
1072[14:11:25] <judd> Package apache2.2-bin (oldlibs, extra) in jessie/amd64: Transitional package for apache2-bin. Version: 2.4.10-10+deb8u12; Size: 1.7k; Installed: 23k; Homepage: replaced-url
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1074[14:11:51] <jelly> that one was dummy in debian 8 and completely removed afterwards, probably in debian 9
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1077[14:11:52] <epsilon> Jemt: dpkg --get-selections show you only packaged you have installed/uninnstalled in history. Nothing more
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1079[14:12:15] <Jemt> Oh, I see. So it knows that apache2.2-bin is no longer needed, since it has already replaced it
1080[14:12:34] <jelly> two releases back, even
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1083[14:12:43] <Jemt> Yes. That makes sense. Thanks a lot Jelly :)
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1085[14:13:20] <jelly> you can safely remove any package that calls itself "transitional" and has no actual content
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1089[14:14:44] <Jemt> epsilon: That's not what the man pages say. For "deselect": The package is selected for deinstallation (i.e. we want to remove all files, except configuration files).
1090[14:14:52] <Jemt> This is something that has not occurred yet.
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1092[14:15:08] <Jemt> jelly: Okay, good to know that :)
1093[14:15:15] <jelly> !obsolete
1094[14:15:15] <dpkg> If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. removing <dmm>), then you should check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Synaptic and aptitude have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" list. Or, "aptitude search ~o". Note this doesn't include packages that exist in the repo at a different version to the one you have installed; see <not available> <list repositories>.
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1096[14:16:29] <Jemt> Fortunately I don't add and remove repos. This is a product server so I keep it to official repos :)
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1099[14:17:51] <jelly> you add repos for release and remove repos for release-1 on every release upgrade.
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1102[14:18:55] <Jemt> Oh, like that. Okay
1103[14:19:38] <jelly> the release notes tell you to check for those after the upgrade. replaced-url
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1105[14:20:10] <joepublic> in xfce I can alt+mouse wheel to zoom in on the screen. Is there a gnome-ish way to do such a thing?
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1109[14:20:52] <jelly> > 4.8.1. Transitional dummy packages
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1111[14:21:25] <Jemt> jelly: Cool, thanks. I'll go read that right away :)
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1113[14:22:35] <abrotman> joepublic: in the browser, or generally?
1114[14:23:08] <joepublic> generally. in xfce alt+mouse wheel zooms the desktop. an accessibility thing.
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1119[14:24:36] <abrotman> I do see Universal Access/Zoom settings in the Settings panel
1120[14:24:57] <abrotman> Not sure if that does what you're looking for
1121[14:27:03] <joepublic> similar but it stays on all the time, it seems
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1125[14:28:50] <joepublic> ah! super-alt-8 toggles zoom on and off!
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1129[14:32:08] <abrotman> Obvious key combo!
1130[14:32:52] <joepublic> whatever works, man. I am giving gnome the good try.
1131[14:33:52] <abrotman> I was joking .. there is a shortcuts configuration, and there are things in there I'd never have thought of
1132[14:35:20] <joepublic> Thanks again.
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1135[14:37:57] <jelly> I am giving gnome the good try. # what a brave soul
1136[14:39:03] <ratrace> oof
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1152[14:52:18] <forsal> Hi any of you were succesfull Debian FDE with key-boot pendrive ?Using that guide replaced-url
1153[14:52:19] <forsal> replaced-url
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1158[14:53:13] <forsal> Hi any of you were succesfull Debian FDE with key-boot pendrive ?
1159[14:53:21] <forsal> Using that guide replaced-url
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1161[14:53:34] <forsal> But it's for Debian8-9
1162[14:53:51] <forsal> Ater typing "cryptsetup luksAddKey /dev/YourDeviceName /keyfile"
1163[14:54:21] <forsal> I got"Failed to open key file"
1164[14:54:34] <forsal> I think it could be related to LUKS1 and LUKS2 system encryption
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1166[14:54:42] <forsal> Using also manual replaced-url
1167[14:54:52] <forsal> from page 80 to 129 , but problem with Debian10 is on page 122
1168[14:55:07] <forsal> :)
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1180[15:01:48] <ws2k3> it seems debian 9 by default does not have a /etc/rc.local anymore? can i just create one? or should i use a different method
1181[15:02:36] <tds> writing a systemd service is probably a more sensible option - what are you trying to do exactly?
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1183[15:02:52] <SwedeMike> ws2k3: replaced-url
1184[15:02:52] <ws2k3> hi tds how are you on this great day!
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1186[15:03:03] <ws2k3> tds: im trying to Add some iptables rules at boot.
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1189[15:03:20] <tds> use the iptables-persistent package
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1191[15:03:23] <ws2k3> i do not want to use iptables-persistant. since i need to Add rules to already exsisting iptables
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1194[15:04:30] <dvs> ws2k3, when you install iptables-persistant, it will start off with the tables that already exist
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1197[15:04:52] <ws2k3> dvs: i know. but there is an application running that can dynamicly alter iptables
1198[15:05:12] <SwedeMike> ws2k3: replaced-url
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1203[15:05:51] <ws2k3> @SwedeMike i notice that i also use post-up in /etc/network/interfaces could i also add the rules there?
1204[15:05:56] <elichai2> Hi, is there an official way to request updating a package in stable/oldstable?
1205[15:06:02] <SwedeMike> ws2k3: I'd imagine that would work yes
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1209[15:06:48] <tds> do you need to make changes to the ruleset after boot, or just before this service starts?
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1211[15:07:10] <tds> since iptables-persistent and forcing netfilter-persistent.service to run before your other service starts might be the best solution
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1220[15:09:36] <ws2k3> tds: i am now gonna try to put it in interfaces i already add some ip rules there so it s nice place to do it centralized
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1224[15:15:11] <ws2k3> tds: see private chat
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1230[15:21:37] <romzan> hello
1231[15:22:00] <romzan> knock knock??
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1233[15:22:15] <dvs> !ask
1234[15:22:15] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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1236[15:23:23] <romzan> how can i connect bitlbee in irssi?
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1252[15:33:25] <elichai2> Is RFP suitable also for requesting an update? replaced-url
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1258[15:35:44] <dvs> elichai2, if it's an existing package, probably not
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1260[15:35:57] <elichai2> dvs: so is there a right way to do this?
1261[15:36:32] <dvs> elichai2, file a bug for that package.
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1272[15:42:17] <jelly-home> elichai2: "please package a new version that is available upstream" can be a normal bug report with Severity: wishlist
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1274[15:42:57] <elichai2> jelly-home: thanks :)
1275[15:43:07] <jelly-home> verify whether said new version is not in unstable already, before filing it
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1278[15:43:36] <jelly-home> which specific package are you talking about, elichai2?
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1280[15:43:57] <elichai2> well it is in unstable and in testing
1281[15:44:30] <jelly-home> then it's in Debian already, and will appear in the next release
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1283[15:44:44] <dvs> elichai2, so a backport is the best you can hope for in stable
1284[15:44:50] <elichai2> I can't ask for it to be updated in *current* stable?
1285[15:44:55] <elichai2> hmm backport sounds good
1286[15:44:56] <jelly-home> it depends.
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1288[15:45:03] <jelly-home> which package is it?
1289[15:45:10] <elichai2> rustc
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1291[15:45:29] <jelly-home> forget about it :-)
1292[15:45:37] <elichai2> really?
1293[15:45:49] <elichai2> I guess I have to find a vulnerabilty so i can get it in security :P
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1295[15:46:06] <sponix2ipfw> !ssb
1296[15:46:07] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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1298[15:46:52] <sponix2ipfw> elichai2: I did rtorrent this way from Sid
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1300[15:47:10] <elichai2> I don't want to update on my system. I'm a dev, and I there's a new feature in the language I really need but I want to know my users can get the right version :)
1301[15:47:26] <jelly-home> if it were a leaf package that nothing else depended or build-depended on, and if the version in stable was useless for most purposes, then there'd be a chance for a new version to appear in stable
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1305[15:48:26] <jelly-home> but rustc is likely a build dependency for everything that's written in Rust
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1314[15:52:09] <sponix2ipfw> jelly-home: Yeah, my rtorrent only had like 2 deps. That probably has a dozen lol
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1318[15:53:57] <jelly-home> rustc has a rustc build-dep.
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1326[15:59:26] <sponix2ipfw> ,v rtorrent
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1348[16:09:33] <elichai2> jelly-home: yep. rustc is written in rust
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1350[16:13:32] <NetTerminalGene> Xfce 4.12 uses gtk 3?
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1357[16:17:46] <jelly-home> elichai2: I just looked up rustc bootstrapping and it looks like a huge mess
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1363[16:18:53] <jelly-home> if you have 1.28, building 1.41 goes through every single release in between ie. you need working 1.28 to build 1.29, then you need 1.29 to build 1.30, etc.
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1367[16:19:40] <jelly-home> ,v rustc
1368[16:19:41] <judd> Package: rustc on amd64 -- jessie-security: 1.34.2+dfsg1-1~deb8u1; stretch: 1.34.2+dfsg1-1~deb9u1; buster: 1.34.2+dfsg1-1; bullseye: 1.40.0+dfsg1-5; sid: 1.40.0+dfsg1-5
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1384[16:26:44] <elichai2> jelly: yeah the compiler uses bleeding edge features
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1443[16:51:33] <dostoyevsky> any idea how I could get rustc-1.35 on buster? apt has only 1.34 ...
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1445[16:52:06] <dvs> <elichai2> here's another one
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1448[16:52:48] <jelly> dostoyevsky: you don't, switch to testing or unstable
1449[16:52:58] <rudi_s> dostoyevsky: Or install it manually
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1455[16:57:39] <ratrace> dostoyevsky: you can containerize debian testing just for the limited use case you'd need it for
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1457[16:59:16] <elichai2> dvs lol :)
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1459[16:59:45] <elichai2> dostoyevsky: if you're a user just install rust from replaced-url
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1462[17:02:05] <bodqhrohro_> Why was sslscan removed from Debian repos? It seems to be still actively developed. As I see from tracker, the reason is incompatibility with OpenSSL 1.1, but according to Dockerfile, it seems to support 1.1.1 already.
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1465[17:02:40] <jelly> bodqhrohro_: it probably did not support it at the time buster (to become debian 10) was frozen
1466[17:02:49] <jelly> ,v sslscan
1467[17:02:51] <judd> Package: sslscan on amd64 -- jessie: 1.8.2-2; stretch: 1.11.5-rbsec-1.1
1468[17:02:59] <jelly> ,bug rm sslscan
1469[17:03:02] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1472[17:03:37] <jelly> bodqhrohro_: you can file a RFP if there's a release that's openssl 1.1 compatible now.
1473[17:03:52] <jelly> !rfp
1474[17:03:53] <dpkg> Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See replaced-url
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1478[17:05:13] <phogg> bodqhrohro_: the reason is likely replaced-url
1479[17:05:14] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1482[17:05:37] <jelly> bodqhrohro_: where is this Dockerfile?
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1484[17:06:00] <jelly> maybe someone else took over and is maintaining it
1485[17:07:08] <bodqhrohro_> jelly: replaced-url
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1489[17:08:49] <jelly> bodqhrohro_: that's from git master, not an actual release
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1491[17:09:32] <jelly> bodqhrohro_: readme.md says they have an alpha-quality "sslscan2" branch
1492[17:09:50] <jelly> I guess you can ask debian to package that
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1521[17:29:30] <pj_> hi
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1555[17:55:40] <dob1> I installed some packages before and I had apt with all the colors, progress bar etc. Now it seems to got back to normal, why ? I want it in the normal version but why it was different before?
1556[17:55:57] <dob1> I didn't modify any config file
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1560[17:57:06] <Jemt> Hi. I'm upgrading from Debian 9 to 10. My dist-upgrade throws a ton of: /bin/sh: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US.UTF-8) - Is this something to worry about? I did not have that problem with my upgrade from Debian 8 to Debian 9.
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1575[18:05:55] <dob1> I am looking on config files I don't understand how it has enabled colors/progress bar before
1576[18:05:58] <jabber> Hello all, I'm wondering if anyone here knows anything about the xscreensaver module 'unicrud' and why instead of glyphs it's displaying empty boxes. I have 'unifont' installed. This is CrunchbangPlusPlus Debian 10.
1577[18:06:23] <jabber> I have a screenshot of what I am seeing, can past imgur link if permitted.
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1579[18:09:22] <dvs> !crunchbang
1580[18:09:22] <dpkg> CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
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1585[18:10:25] <dob1> oh I found the issue
1586[18:10:31] <jabber> For reference I see this same thing on my vanilla Debian 10 Stable install with the XFCE desktop
1587[18:10:45] <dob1> but it's really strange....... apt-get install gcc will get all the colors/progress bar
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1589[18:10:48] <dob1> but not other packages
1590[18:10:53] <dob1> it makes no sense
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1593[18:11:29] <dob1> it's apt install !
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1601[18:16:37] <sponix2ipfw> dob1: just do apt install build-essential
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1603[18:17:12] <dob1> sponix2ipfw, I did it, I was "investigatin" on the colors! but I was using apt install instead of apt-get
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1661[18:47:39] <genericum> i just switched windowmanagers due to a bug and now guake is causing a segfault on fluxbox
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1663[18:48:30] <genericum> anything I could do to find the cause of the problem _
1664[18:48:34] <genericum> ?
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1670[18:49:58] <annadane> strace i guess?
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1676[18:56:22] <Jemt> Hi. I'm upgrading from Debian 9 to 10. My dist-upgrade throws a ton of: /bin/sh: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US.UTF-8) - Is this something to worry about? I did not have that problem with my upgrade from Debian 8 to Debian 9.
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1681[19:01:29] <Voldenet> have you tried generating missing locale: `locale-gen en_US.UTF-8`
1682[19:02:14] <Voldenet> actually, check if LANGUAGE LANG and LC_ALL are set to en_US.UTF-8
1683[19:02:28] <jelly> Jemt: no, not really, that gets fixed during the process, when the newer version of locales package gets configured
1684[19:02:59] <jelly> you can avoid it by upgrading all the glibc / libc6 packages first
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1686[19:03:29] <jelly> or by setting locale to C during the release upgrade
1687[19:03:32] <Jemt> jelly: Oh, okay. I will try that next time :-)
1688[19:03:44] <Jemt> Okay, cool
1689[19:03:46] <Jemt> Thanks a lot :)
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1691[19:04:07] <Voldenet> I guess I was wrong, then ┐(´～`；)┌
1692[19:04:56] <jelly> key information being "upgrading from Debian 9 to 10"
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1696[19:06:41] <magnulu> seemed I ask this question and got disconnected - so sorry for the duplicate
1697[19:07:24] <magnulu> I have a headless home server - any good way of "forwarding" all my localhost email to a push notification (pushover in my case)?
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1701[19:08:31] <Jemt> Voldenet: Sorry, didn't see your answer. Appreciate the effort though :-)
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1703[19:09:56] <annadane> (do people just keep a bunch of ASCII emotes in their clipboard?)
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1712[19:17:24] <PaddyF> :)
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1741[19:35:37] <jelly> annadane: your irc client doesn't have macros for most common emotes?
1742[19:36:47] <annadane> i'd have to check
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1749[19:44:25] <jeesusmies> Hey, I'm trying to figure this IRC thing here. How can I join the #debian-boot channel? Or can I ask questions about it in here.
1750[19:45:52] <nkuttler> !oftc
1751[19:45:52] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may (or may not) be connected to OFTC's network. replaced-url
1752[19:46:00] <nkuttler> jeesusmies: -boot is on the oftc network
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1757[19:48:34] <jeesusmies> nkuttler Ah I see, thanks!
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1821[20:32:21] <shtrb> with plasma, I just upgraded my buster with buster-proposed updates (which included systemd upgrade ), and after the upgrade when I send the several notify-send messages instead of the notification appended to the last window they create a new window , example screen -dm sudo -u shtrb /bin/bash -c 'DISPLAY=::1 DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:path=/run/user/1000/bus /usr/bin/notify-send -t 15000 -u critical "Delivery" "Pizza is waiting for you at the
1822[20:32:21] <shtrb> receptionist"' Is there some setting to override back to appended notification popup ?
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1876[21:16:31] <jelly> shtrb: does this persist even after a reboot (or at least log off and log back on)?
1877[21:17:03] <shtrb> the behavior (of new windows ) is persistent post reboot (always creating a new window )
1878[21:17:07] <mguy> Is there a preferred way to install Eclipse? Use the tar.gz from Eclipse.org, is there a repo to add
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1880[21:17:14] <Travis> Hello
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1883[21:18:05] <shtrb> mguy, I think you might be searching for libeclipse-ui-ide-java
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1892[21:21:23] <jelly> ,v eclipse
1893[21:21:24] <judd> Package: eclipse on amd64 -- jessie: 3.8.1-7; stretch: 3.8.1-10
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1895[21:22:02] <jelly> ,v libeclipse-ui-ide-java
1896[21:22:03] <judd> Package: libeclipse-ui-ide-java on amd64 -- buster: 3.14.200+eclipse4.10-1; bullseye: 3.15.200+eclipse4.12-1; sid: 3.15.200+eclipse4.12-1
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1899[21:23:43] <ectospasm> tds: I tried going the systemd-networkd route, but had the same problem. When I switched back to /etc/network/interfaces, it just worked. This is the configuration that is working for me: replaced-url
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1901[21:24:50] <tds> ectospasm: cool - you can cut that down a lot - eg replaced-url
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1907[21:28:45] <jelly> ectospasm: you have both vlan tagged and untagged traffic on the same interface?
1908[21:29:02] <shtrb> jelly: do you have any idea ?
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1912[21:29:50] <jelly> shtrb: no, sorry
1913[21:30:02] <shtrb> jelly, Thank you
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2003[22:12:11] <Travis> I am having issues with my wireless in Debian, but not the Raspbian Desktop version. I cannot get Debian to read my card at all.
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2011[22:14:47] <towo`> and who should konw the vendor "my wireless"?
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2038[22:26:36] <milkt> Travis: will you try running command "lspci | grep -i wireless"
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2062[22:38:54] <Randolf> !uefi
2063[22:38:55] <dpkg> Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is supported starting with Debian 10 "Buster". replaced-url
2064[22:39:24] <Randolf> !uefiboot
2065[22:40:13] <Randolf> Debian 10.3.0 can't install the UEFI bootloader. It didn't work very well in 10.2.0 or 10.1.0. I do hope this gets fixed soon.
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2067[22:41:03] <somiaj> you can /msg the bot
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2072[22:41:44] <somiaj> also I don't know what you mean, uefi works just fine here. If you are having a problem with uefi please describe it in more detail.
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2077[22:43:17] <Randolf> Well, I just tried a fresh install on an Intel S1200SPL motherboard, and it just boots into the EFI shell. I had this problem previously, but it turned out to be related to RAID (which I'm not using because the RAID on this motherboard requires a software implementation).
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2079[22:44:34] <Randolf> Whoever created the EFI shell probably receives a lot of hate male. The interface is total garbage. There's no way to pause the screen, so stuff scrolls by and disappears.
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2086[22:48:17] <Travis> I didn't have to do that. The wireless notification says the firmware hasn't been installed. Without an internet connection, that's hard to do. I am going back to the Raspbian image that I know worked.
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2090[22:50:34] <milkt> Travis: do you already know which specific firmware package you need for wireless card?
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2094[22:52:00] <milkt> Travis: debian installer do not include non-free firmware by default, so you can try using the installer which include non-free firmware i think
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2097[22:53:09] <Randolf> I just found a "Boot Mode" option in the BIOS so I'm trying changing that from UEFI to Legacy. Hopefully this works.
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2104[22:56:06] <milkt> Travis: replaced-url
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2112[22:57:11] <Randolf> That didn't work either. At least I can select a bootable disk, but it just keeps rebooting itself instead of booting at all. Does UEFI have a lot of problems?
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2118[23:04:41] <Randolf> Well, back to UEFI mode. I eventually got it working last time by re-installing Debian a few times. I was really hoping I could get it all working with a single attempt this time.
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2123[23:09:31] <Travis> Thanks, milkt. I will try here later.
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2133[23:17:27] <tor1panhuxyz> Randolf: Could it be GPT/MBR issue?
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2144[23:24:56] <somiaj> Randolf: Do you have secure boot disabled? Are you positive you booted the installer in efi mode. The same installer is both legacy and efi capable, so if you aren't booting it into efi mode, efi won't work.
2145[23:25:50] <Randolf> Secure Boot is disabled.
2146[23:26:11] <Randolf> I'm onto my third installation attempt, and this time I didn't get any errors when forcing UEFI install.
2147[23:26:29] <Randolf> tor1panhuxyz: No. These are brand new disks that have never been used.
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2152[23:27:46] <dob1> Randolf, I had a similar error today and the warning/error about to force uefi was related to the usb pen with the debian installer
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2155[23:28:43] <Randolf> I am installing from a USB memory stick which has the CD-ROM dd'd to it.
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2157[23:29:23] <Randolf> I had this UEFI problem with Debian 10.1.0 and 10.2.0 as well. Installing multiple times seems to be the work-around.
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2159[23:29:54] <Randolf> I don't like this work-around though because it takes a long time.
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2164[23:31:43] <teksimian> using lvm, how can i shrink /home and expand / ?
2165[23:32:01] <Randolf> Getting GRUB installation problems now -- "Unable to install GRUB in dummy" and "Executing 'grub-install dummy' failed." and "This is a fatal error."
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2168[23:34:59] <Randolf> This isn't working at all. Maybe 10.3.0 can't be installed on UEFI at all? Do I need to go back to 10.2.0? (I'd prefer to be using the current version though.)
2169[23:35:53] <Randolf> Why is this UEFI boot stuff so screwed up?
2170[23:36:06] <Randolf> Before UEFI it was easy to install an Operating System. It just worked.
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2172[23:37:00] <bigdice> Hey, Where can I get the Bluebird theme for cinnamon?
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2175[23:38:41] <Randolf> I think the UEFI installation stuff in Debian 10.3.0 is broken. I don't even see the drives showing up as options in the BIOS -- just "Launch EFI Shell" and the UEFI Network options.
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2182[23:40:42] <tomreyn> Randolf: look for a bios update. there are many incomplete and buggy uefi implementations out there.
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2186[23:41:17] <mossylane> hi all, I installed xen hypervisor, rebooted and xen froze after a few dozen messages. this is an efi boot system
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2188[23:41:47] <tomreyn> Randolf: it's not the generic debian issue that you suggest, it's most likely specific to the hardware and firmware (version) you have there.
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2191[23:42:10] <Randolf> tomreyn: Already on the newest BIOS. I always make sure the BIOS is up-to-date before installing an OS>
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2193[23:42:31] <tomreyn> hmm ok, how old is this board?
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2195[23:43:05] <Randolf> I'm using an Intel S1200SPL with BIOS version 0042 (which is the newest one).
2196[23:43:07] <Randolf> It's brand new.
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2198[23:43:44] <Randolf> The last two are working fine, but UEFI installation stuff was a hassle. Same BIOS version too.
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2200[23:43:49] <tomreyn> 2015 / 2016, hmm, yes i'd expect it to work fine, too.
2201[23:44:44] <bigdice> I keep putting themes into home/.themes folder and They don't show up in the settings
2202[23:45:41] <tomreyn> Randolf: is it normal for intel to support boards just for half a year? replaced-url
2203[23:45:46] <Randolf> tomreyn: I've been searching on Google, and finding that there are a number of people having difficulty with this, but not really anything that's helpful.
2204[23:46:34] <Randolf> I don't know if that's normal. We've been buying this board, and Intel has been shipping them. We get 3-year warranties from Intel on them too.
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2206[23:47:06] <tomreyn> i see. i have no first hand experience with intel server boards.
2207[23:47:36] <tomreyn> looks more like workstation though
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2209[23:48:20] <tor1panhuxyz> if you are sure you had fat32 efi partition, you could try gpt.
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2211[23:48:45] <tor1panhuxyz> the choice is not there if not in advanced install
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2217[23:51:27] <Randolf> tor1panhuxyz: I
2218[23:51:36] <Randolf> tor1panhuxyz: I'll try the advanced install.
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2224[23:56:14] <Randolf> Okay, so I'm in the "ash" shell right now.
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2226[23:56:23] <Randolf> Tools like fdisk don't work.
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2230[23:58:31] <tor1panhuxyz> the new disk table is at partioning?
2231[23:58:48] <tor1panhuxyz> did you loaf morr install components?
2232[23:59:09] <Randolf> I mounted the CD-ROM.
2233[23:59:19] <tor1panhuxyz> gpt should be with gdisk not fdisk?
2234[23:59:20] <Randolf> The fdisk command comes back as not found.
2235[23:59:25] <Randolf> Oh, let me try.
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2237[23:59:39] <Randolf> /bin/sh: gdisk: not found
2238[23:59:42] <Randolf> Same thing.
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2240[23:59:58] <tor1panhuxyz> you didnt load install components
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