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• 4[00:02:36] <Terrell> I am bafck butt only for a few minutes
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• 6[00:03:08] <dvs> Hi bafck butt! ;-P
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• 9[00:04:16] <Terrell> dvs funny
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• 14[00:10:50] <treefrob> hi Folks. I'm wondering when a reboot is necessary or a good idea after some packages have been updated. Obviously, after a kernel update. Are there other packages or classes of packages whose update dictate a reboot?
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• 17[00:12:13] <dvs> treefrob, maybe after a libc or glibc update but that's about it.
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• 19[00:13:08] <treefrob> dvs, because a reboot is simpler that restarting all the services with programs that depend on g/libc?
• 20[00:13:41] <dvs> treefrob, Yes, which is about almost every program.
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• 22[00:15:04] <treefrob> but if my concern is chiefly security, I guess it's enough after a g/libc update to only restart sshd, assuming the only open [local] port is for sshd
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• 32[00:26:52] <mq> if somebody remembers my issue from before: i am pretty sure i was right about the ssh-authentication-guess
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• 35[00:28:35] <dvs> treefrob, I'd be afraid that the other programs that depend on ssh might crash because it wasn't restarted.
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• 39[00:31:15] <coruja> ,i needrestart
• 40[00:31:16] <judd> Package needrestart (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: check which daemons need to be restarted after library upgrades. Version: 3.4-5; Size: 56.0k; Installed: 273k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 44[00:35:14] <mq> i have this issue: i can run ssh user@<ip> echo bla in terminal successfully. I can call up a script doing the same thing successfully. But when i set up a unit file that calls the script it fails with permission denied (publickey).
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• 49[00:40:11] <coruja> does the unit file let call the script by the correct user?
• 50[00:41:13] <mq> coruja that's what i don't know. How do i set the user?
• 51[00:41:54] <coruja> 'User=<user>' in the unit file's service section
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• 53[00:43:10] <mq> coruja that's helpfull. Thanks.
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• 70[00:51:16] <mq> Thanks, that did it
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• 89[01:10:44] <ayekat> rather than a system-wide service, I'd use a user service, though
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• 115[01:49:36] <aoibhecozy> anyone have any luck installing firmware for the 3945ABG? i downloaded the thing from ipw3945.sourceforge and im struggling to understand how to install it. there used to be a package call firmware-b43-installer but sadly its no longer where it once was
• 116[01:52:32] <aoibhecozy> actually i think i can do this, i accidentally glossed over its deprecation notice. im now trying to install iwlwifi. i think this should work.
• 117[01:53:31] <dvs> aoibhecozy, yeah, that doesnt sound like a Broadcom chipset
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• 119[01:55:11] <aoibhecozy> iwlwifi does indeed work. dvs its an intel chip, i had been going off of bad info from someone with a different latitude d820 from mine.
• 120[01:55:19] <aoibhecozy> i wrongly assumed theyd be the same
• 121[01:55:31] <dvs> ,v firmware-iwlwifi
• 122[01:55:33] <judd> Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-1~bpo9+2; bullseye/non-free: 20190114-1; buster/non-free: 20190114-1; sid/non-free: 20190502-1
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• 128[02:00:41] <crimson_king> my debian system is missing the adduser command. Which package gives it?
• 129[02:00:47] <crimson_king> debian buster 10
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• 132[02:01:51] <dvs> ,v adduser
• 133[02:01:52] <judd> Package: adduser on amd64 -- jessie: 3.113+nmu3; stretch: 3.115; bullseye: 3.118; buster: 3.118; sid: 3.118
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• 138[02:04:13] <crimson_king> it's already installed. Running `adduser` says `command not found`
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• 141[02:05:03] <crimson_king> I just installed Debian 10 using netinstall, got into my user, escalated to root to make the initial settings, and adduser is not present.
• 142[02:05:07] <LtL> crimson_king: /usr/sbin/adduser on buster
• 143[02:06:01] <crimson_king> LtL, that's it, thanks. Why isn't it in the PATH?
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• 145[02:06:29] <humbot> not this again
• 146[02:06:35] <LtL> crimson_king: you probably became root wrong, use 'su -'
• 147[02:06:56] <crimson_king> su - ok, will try
• 148[02:07:05] <dvs> humbot, what?
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• 150[02:07:34] <LtL> dvs: this happens frequently
• 151[02:07:34] <crimson_king> yes, that works.
• 152[02:07:35] <humbot> sorry, deja lu, the PATH issue
• 153[02:08:05] <dvs> hmmmm... hasn't happened to me (that I know of)
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• 157[02:12:39] <LtL> dvs: you're just special ;)
• 158[02:12:46] <dvs> I know
• 159[02:12:49] * dvs blushes
• 160[02:13:05] <Tom-_> My DNS servers and internal IP addresses can leak over WebRTC? holy crap
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• 165[02:15:32] <LtL> crimson_king: be aware, your pwd changes using that method.
• 166[02:16:47] <crimson_king> LtL, yes, just saw it
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• 168[02:20:05] <Tom-_> internal IP address anyway, the DNS servers are taken from somewhere else
• 169[02:20:08] <v3x3d> crimson_king: "And smiles as the puppets dance, in the..."
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• 174[02:20:29] <crimson_king> court of the crimson kiiiing...
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• 176[02:20:44] <v3x3d> Da... daaaaaa... da... da!
• 177[02:21:07] <v3x3d> Hell yeah dude.
• 178[02:21:14] <v3x3d> Sorry, I hadda do it.
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• 180[02:24:14] <v3x3d> Be well O' King of Crimson.
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• 185[02:36:00] <Tom-_> option "Prevent WebRTC from leaking local IP addresses" in Ublock Origin is supposed to help
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• 188[02:37:07] <Tom-_> i guess i should possibly get into the habit of recommending Ublock Origin to everyone
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• 192[02:37:51] <mohammad-ghasemi> Hello! I set the root password after the installation. But I still can't login as root.
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• 194[02:39:57] <LtL> mohammad-ghasemi: you don't want to login as root from the login screen, i'm not sure if that's even allowed. What exactly are you trying to do?
• 195[02:40:52] <LtL> mohammad-ghasemi: did you create a user during installation?
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• 199[02:42:15] <mohammad-ghasemi> LtL, yes I created a user, but didn't set the root password. I want to be able to login as root also.
• 200[02:42:40] <LtL> mohammad-ghasemi: and you have a desktop installed?
• 201[02:43:12] <LtL> mohammad-ghasemi: login as user, then become root when necessary
• 202[02:43:57] <LtL> mohammad-ghasemi: you do not want to start X as root.
• 203[02:44:30] <somiaj> your user shoudl be in the sudo group, so you can become root with 'sudo -l', though listen to LtL, you dont' want to do most things as root, and use sudo to run certain thigns as root.
• 204[02:44:57] <somiaj> also you should explain how you set the root password, and how you are logging in as root.
• 205[02:44:58] <mohammad-ghasemi> LtL yes, desktop is installed. But I can't become root since the password does not work. Even in tty1.
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• 208[02:47:30] <LtL> mohammad-ghasemi: how do you try to become root? Are you sure the password is correct? What did you type to set root's passwd?
• 209[02:48:00] <mohammad-ghasemi> somiaj, LtL I set the password by adding init=/bin/bash after the kernel option in grub menu. Then Hit f10 to boot only with command line. Then ran "Mount -o remount, rw /" and "mount -o remount, rw /" and then set the password using passwd command.
• 210[02:48:35] <mohammad-ghasemi> I set the root password as "root".
• 211[02:48:46] <LtL> mohammad-ghasemi: I don't think it worked.
• 212[02:48:51] <LtL> !ifrp
• 213[02:48:51] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
• 214[02:49:08] <LtL> mohammad-ghasemi: use the above method.
• 215[02:49:25] <mohammad-ghasemi> LtL, okay, Thank you!
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• 218[02:53:39] <LtL> mohammad-ghasemi: still there? what error did you get?
• 219[02:54:28] <somiaj> this should not be needed, if you didn't set a root password as the install just use sudo.
• 220[02:55:09] <somiaj> when running as your user goto a teriman and type 'groups', if in the sudo group you should be able to use sudo to become root
• 221[02:55:25] <LtL> somiaj: he said he set root's password -after- the install.
• 222[02:56:10] <somiaj> sure, I was just pointing out they should have sudo primissions and should be able to do it much easier than they tried.
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• 225[02:56:48] <LtL> somiaj: this is true, i should have told him
• 226[02:57:07] <mohammad-ghasemi> LtL, Yes, I'm writing down the method :-). But another question. at the end of the method for grub it says (exec /sbin/init should work). I don't know what does it mean. Work for what?
• 227[02:57:11] <LtL> shouldn't do any harm, i hope
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• 229[02:57:51] <LtL> mohammad-ghasemi: wait a second, what message did you get trying to become root?
• 230[02:58:36] <mohammad-ghasemi> LtL, something like. Authentication failure
• 231[02:58:37] <somiaj> I also think when the installer dosen't set up a root account, it also disables the login, so just setting the password won't be enough, but I'd have to look up the details.
• 232[02:59:04] <LtL> mohammad-ghasemi: type groups, are you in the sudo group?
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• 234[02:59:53] <mohammad-ghasemi> LtL, yes
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• 236[03:01:08] <somiaj> mohammad-ghasemi: type 'sudo -l' enter in your normal users password, and you'll become root.
• 237[03:01:20] <LtL> mohammad-ghasemi: you can have root power using 'sudo -l' or possibly 'sudo passwd root' but it will ask for root's original pass i believe, you can try.
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• 239[03:02:42] <LtL> I haven't used the latest installer, did they ubuntize it or something?
• 240[03:02:44] <somiaj> LtL: it won't, sudo will ask for the users password, and then passwd will just run as root, requring no more authenticiation
• 241[03:02:54] <somiaj> LtL: it has been this way since either jessie or stretch
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• 243[03:03:24] <ghormoon> hi, was there some cryptsetup suspend/restore automagic added on debian 10? i did a dist upgrade and now it waits long until i get the enter root pwd/ctrl-D to boot (and i have one of those random-key-on-boot swap devices)
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• 245[03:03:34] <somiaj> if you create a root password during the install, sudo is not installed and you become root using 'su -', if you don't create a root password, the root account password login is disabled, sudo is installed and the user the isntaller you create is added to the sudo group.
• 246[03:04:09] <LtL> somiaj: yes, okay. i always set root's password.
• 247[03:04:31] <mohammad-ghasemi> somiaj, LtL Thank you very much. It seems I could change the root password using the second method easily.
• 248[03:04:43] <LtL> mohammad-ghasemi: super
• 249[03:04:51] <somiaj> ghormoon: sounds like you might have low entropy, does moving the mouse during boot speed it up.
• 250[03:05:14] <mohammad-ghasemi> LtL, somiaj yeeeeeeeeessss, it worked.
• 251[03:05:24] <somiaj> mohammad-ghasemi: you method should have worked in theory, maybe something subtle didn't work, but since you have sudo access no need to use that method.
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• 253[03:05:33] <ghormoon> there's no mouse. and it's some service timeout, the root pw i mean maintenance mode, not normal login
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• 255[03:05:46] <ghormoon> update-initramfs spits cryptsetup: WARNING: Resume target cryptswap uses a key file which might or might not be related
• 256[03:06:14] <somiaj> ghormoon: hmm, so it sounds like it is failing to mount some cryptswap and is thus droping you to the emergency shell
• 257[03:06:22] <ghormoon> yup
• 258[03:06:31] <somiaj> I know there was some changes with encryption in buster (read the release notes), but I don't know enough details
• 259[03:06:32] <ghormoon> it boots with ctrl-D though
• 260[03:06:49] <mohammad-ghasemi> somiaj, LtL sudo rocks!
• 261[03:06:51] <somiaj> but read the release notes and see what it says about the changes in encrypted file systems.
• 262[03:06:59] <nt0> how do i allow a user to create tun devices via networkmanager without adding it to the netdev group? is there some sort of kwallet workaround (using KDE)?
• 263[03:07:21] <ghormoon> and the device is open, swap working. maybe it's another issue
• 264[03:07:33] <somiaj> nt0: why don't you want to add the user to the netdev group (if that works)?
• 265[03:07:44] <somiaj> ghormoon: you may have to look through the logs a bit more
• 266[03:07:57] <ghormoon> hm .... Jul 15 02:54:16 42-gzfs systemd[1]: cryptsetup.target: Job systemd-cryptsetup@cryptswap.service/start deleted to break ordering cycle starting with cryptsetup.target/start
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• 269[03:09:00] <ghormoon> Jul 15 02:54:07 42-gzfs systemd[1]: Timed out waiting for device /dev/disk/by-uuid/a0c1c62c-d103-446f-8ae4-4983bcf9625e. ---- i guess this. no idea why it waits for it though, that's /boot, it boots from it and it's mounted after
• 270[03:09:07] <nt0> somiaj: if that is the typical solution then i will do that. just trying to maintain as few permissions as possible. often things like gnome-keyring and kwallet allow users in sudo to use escalated privileges for certain gui programs, no?
• 271[03:09:58] <mohammad-ghasemi> is it dangerous to use a week password for the root if I'm using the computer only as desktop?
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• 273[03:10:06] <mohammad-ghasemi> *weak
• 274[03:10:19] <LtL> nt0: gksu for gui apps
• 275[03:10:31] <somiaj> nt0: I don't keep up with all these things, I just use sudo/root when I need to. I think policykit is the main thing these days to allow escilate of root privlages.
• 276[03:10:36] <somiaj> ,v gksu
• 277[03:10:37] <judd> Package: gksu on amd64 -- jessie: 2.0.2-9; stretch: 2.0.2-9+b1
• 278[03:10:54] <somiaj> LtL: that has been removed due to various reasons, my understanding is policykit is the freedesktop.org method
• 279[03:10:56] <ghormoon> mohammad-ghasemi: if there's anything untrusted getting to run under a user, it might just as well try to guess it and get root priviledges ...
• 280[03:11:07] <LtL> ,v gksudo
• 281[03:11:09] <judd> No package named 'gksudo' was found in amd64.
• 282[03:11:14] <LtL> okay
• 283[03:11:35] <mohammad-ghasemi> ghormoon, yes, thank-you!
• 284[03:11:41] <somiaj> LtL: its hard to keep up with all these changes...
• 285[03:11:46] <LtL> somiaj: thank you, i was unaware of that.
• 286[03:12:15] <somiaj> nt0: I'm kind apartly surprised networkmanger needs permissions to do this, but maybe it is a saftey net, since networkmanager uses a root service to do its bidding
• 287[03:12:30] <somiaj> nt0: so maybe the netdev is a group check networkmanager uses to limit what a user can do with it.
• 288[03:12:52] <LtL> i use network-manager no root needed
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• 290[03:13:28] <nt0> somiaj: when i tried to run openvpn <ovpn file> in the terminal i was told i didn't have permission to create a tun device. when i sudid the same command it worked fine
• 291[03:13:31] <somiaj> LtL: even to create tunnels?
• 292[03:13:36] <nt0> LtL: are you in the netdev group?
• 293[03:14:09] <LtL> inch: yes i am in netdev
• 294[03:14:12] <somiaj> nt0: oh this might be the issue, openvpn isn't network manager, you'll probably need to install some openvpn network manager plugin that allows you to connect to this vpn via network manager.
• 295[03:14:21] <LtL> oops, nt0 i am
• 296[03:15:12] <somiaj> ,v network-manager-openvpn
• 297[03:15:13] <judd> Package: network-manager-openvpn on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.10.0-1; stretch: 1.2.8-2; stretch-backports: 1.8.10-1~bpo9+1; bullseye: 1.8.10-1; buster: 1.8.10-1; sid: 1.8.10-1
• 298[03:15:32] <nt0> somiaj: that plugin is certainly installed. i have a full kde desktop and i was able to import the configuration file and a new connection is available under the "available connections" subsection
• 299[03:15:34] <somiaj> nt0: ^^ have you tried using that plugin for network manager so you can actually use it to manage your vpn, and not just run openvpn from the command line.
• 300[03:16:02] <somiaj> but just running openvpn from the command line wont' work, youll have to use networkmanager (which will escilate permissions for you)
• 301[03:16:13] <nt0> somiaj: when i click "connect" to attempt to start the imported vpn configuration nothing happens
• 302[03:16:24] <LtL> I haven't needed to reconfigure network manager since stretch release, so not sure what has changed
• 303[03:16:28] <nt0> but networkmanager is definitely configured to use vpns
• 304[03:17:16] <somiaj> hmm, I wonder why networkmanger isn't able to setup the openvpn connection then, but to me running 'openvpn' from the command line is bypassing networkmanger
• 305[03:17:22] <somiaj> (which is why root was needed)
• 306[03:17:27] <nt0> LtL: i'm running a kali vm with KDE. i normally use gentoo and don't remember much about debian configs and no next to nothing about networkmanager
• 307[03:17:40] <somiaj> oh this is kali, not debian?
• 308[03:17:49] <somiaj> !kali
• 309[03:17:50] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 310[03:18:09] <somiaj> that could possibly be the problem right there, kali is not designed to be a desktop and thus many things may not work as expected
• 311[03:18:18] <nt0> somiaj: yes, but all of the usual packages are pulled directly from debians repos. this includes kde and networkmanager
• 312[03:18:30] <ghormoon> hm, rmeoving the /boot from fstap just makes it fail on the next device (this time the swap)
• 313[03:18:32] <nt0> somiaj: it is vanilla debian with extra repos added.
• 314[03:18:38] <somiaj> again, kali changes things, and often makes things that should work in debian not work on kali, we do not support kali for this reason.
• 315[03:19:07] <ghormoon> oh, but it at least doesn't wait for ctrl-d
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• 321[03:26:57] <nt0> somiaj: your advice was correct--i needed the network-manager-openvpn plugin installed. i assumed that it had been pulled in by KDE since KDE's network-manager tray applet allowed me to import settings and configure. thanks
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• 324[03:27:59] <somiaj> please in the future respect #debian and use kali or maybe ##linux support channels. (It would be nice to have a debian-based channel for this, but alas none exist)
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• 326[03:28:29] <somiaj> but in summary, networkmanger is a daemon running as root, so you need the right plugins to talk to the daemon
• 327[03:29:58] <nt0> somiaj: aye. i only asked as the packages that don't have anything to do with pentesting are identical to those in debian's repo. you were able to help ;P
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• 329[03:30:18] <crimson_king> I'm writing a bug report at TTY 2 with `reportbug` (X won't start). Will it allow me to attach logs or do I have to paste the logs on the body of the message right now?
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• 331[03:30:32] <nt0> i would never be lame enough to enter your channel and start asking for help with metasploit or any other stuff that is completely out of the debian wheelhouse.
• 332[03:30:51] <crimson_king> I mean, will it ask me to attach log files after I close the editor?
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• 334[03:32:21] <somiaj> crimson_king: it should give you the option to attach files during the process
• 335[03:32:41] <somiaj> but yes I think after you close the editor, you can even have it just save the email and then copy that into another email program to finish
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• 340[03:34:56] <crimson_king> somiaj, I'm still not clear on how do you send a saved bug report... do you just paste the contents on a "New email" and send it to a specific address?
• 341[03:35:01] <ghormoon> i disabled some zfs-related services that were in loop with systemd-cryptsetup@cryptswap.service and now it just loops with itself. how? :D
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• 344[03:37:13] <crimson_king> somiaj, submit@bugs.debian.org, that is... so I just send the saved message to this email?
• 345[03:37:18] <LtL> crimson_king: install a TUI browser and check here for formatting, replaced-url
• 346[03:37:44] <ghormoon> can i somehow print the dependency tree?
• 347[03:38:06] <ghormoon> it deletes totally random services it seems ... Jul 15 03:33:40 42-gzfs systemd[1]: systemd-cryptsetup@cryptswap.service: Job systemd-random-seed.service/start deleted to break ordering cycle starting with systemd-cryptsetup@cryptswap.service/start
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• 350[03:39:03] <LtL> crimson_king: I believe you first need to configure /etc/reportbug.conf if you use reportbug
• 351[03:39:14] <somiaj> crimson_king: yup
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• 353[03:39:50] <somiaj> well the first time will help configure it for you, but you still need to be able to send mails out, I personally use it to generate the report and copy/paste into gmail
• 354[03:40:53] <LtL> somiaj: good advice, I used a MUA, but thanks
• 355[03:41:35] <LtL> crimson_king: if it goes through, you will get a auto-reply in minutes
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• 359[03:45:28] <crimson_king> I was able to attach the logs and send it through reportbug
• 360[03:45:51] <crimson_king> The confirmation email came now.
• 361[03:46:19] <LtL> crimson_king: thanks for contributing
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• 363[03:46:26] <crimson_king> thank you
• 364[03:49:48] <crimson_king> I got 2 computers with different hardware that won't reach the Display Manager, be it GDM or LightDM. X server failure, it seems. GDM, in this case, complains about not finding a valid framebuffer device.
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• 368[03:51:19] <crimson_king> I already tried to run `startx` instead. X server fails to start.
• 369[03:51:47] <ghormoon> hm, zfs vs cryptsetup, if i entirely disable zfs.target and all zfs services, it at least boots
• 370[03:52:03] <dvs> crimson_king, paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log to a paste.debian.org
• 371[03:53:08] <crimson_king> dvs, sorry, is there a way to upload it when you don't have a GUI?
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• 373[03:53:20] <somiaj> ghormoon: you may want to wait until a week day when there are more people around who might be able to help diagnose your strange issue.
• 374[03:53:21] <dvs> crimson_king, pastebinit
• 375[03:53:26] <somiaj> ghormoon: do you actually use zfs?
• 376[03:53:30] <crimson_king> ok
• 377[03:54:24] <ghormoon> yes
• 378[03:54:41] <ghormoon> but only for data pool and VMs, so i can boot without that
• 379[03:55:22] <ghormoon> oh, some of the zfs packages were not updated because of zfsutils-linux vs zfsutils
• 380[03:55:29] <ghormoon> i'll try to resolve that and boot with zfs
• 381[03:55:35] <crimson_king> dvs, replaced-url
• 382[03:56:07] <somiaj> ghormoon: or maybe purge then reinstall zfs stuff, to get back to a working state.
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• 387[03:56:55] <somiaj> crimson_king: what video card do you have? And have you installed firmware-amd-gpu?
• 388[03:57:18] <dvs> crimson_king, I'm guessing you don't have the firmware-amd-graphics packages installed
• 389[03:57:22] <crimson_king> somiaj, RX 560 4GB, yes, I have installed it and did a reboot after.
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• 391[03:57:31] <ghormoon> maybe. just scares me a bit from upgrading a laptop which is zfs-root
• 392[03:57:35] <somiaj> I wonder if the 560 is a bit new for the 4.19 kernel
• 393[03:57:45] <crimson_king> it worked for Debian 9
• 394[03:57:57] <crimson_king> After Debian 10 I was never able to get it to work
• 395[03:58:00] <ghormoon> btw with zfs.target disabled, i still can import the zfs pools :D
• 396[03:58:20] <somiaj> crimson_king: what is the output of 'dmesg | grep -i firmware', also that card should be using amdgpu and radeon driver, so unsure why it is wanting to load the radeon driver.
• 397[03:59:54] <crimson_king> somiaj, replaced-url
• 398[03:59:57] <ghormoon> hm, but zfsutils is just a virtual, should update normally
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• 400[04:00:24] <crimson_king> I double checked, firmware-amd-graphics is installed.
• 401[04:00:52] <somiaj> crimson_king: that error states that amdgpu is failing to load the firmware, unsure why, maybe look at more lines, or 'dmesg | grep -i amd' for me
• 402[04:01:23] <somiaj> I don't know if you need to wait for a newer 5.x kernel with firmware from buster-backports for that.
• 403[04:01:55] <somiaj> also you might want the firmware-ralink (I think that ineeded for th r8169) wired card, if you want to use the wired card.
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• 406[04:02:22] <ghormoon> got few more errors left, which might not be that important, but to make sure, idd you see those? replaced-url
• 407[04:02:42] <somiaj> the card doesn't seem that new which makes me think 4.19 should support it, but I do not see why it is not finding and loading the appropriate firmware.
• 408[04:02:44] <crimson_king> somiaj, yeah, I noticed that missing realtek firmware, that's new to me. I never had to install it before, it just worked.
• 409[04:02:58] <dvs> crimson_king, I don't see the 560 in the list of supported cards in the firmware-amd-graphics package.
• 410[04:03:04] <somiaj> sometimes firmware provides additinal features and better support, but basic will work out of it.
• 411[04:03:21] <crimson_king> somiaj, it worked fine with kernel 4.15 back when Ubuntu LTS had it.
• 412[04:03:29] <crimson_king> 18.04 that is
• 413[04:03:45] <ghormoon> but in the end, the core issue was zfsutils being kept at old version while zfs itself was upgraded
• 414[04:04:25] <ghormoon> apt-get didn't even try to upgrade it though until i tried manually upgrading zfsutils-linux which made it conflict so i tried rmeoving it
• 415[04:04:29] <somiaj> dvs: woulnd't it be in the R500 cards
• 416[04:04:59] <dvs> oh, I was looking for 560 specfiically
• 417[04:05:00] <somiaj> crimson_king: well provide a bit more output from that 'dmesg | grep -i amdgpu', but for some reason or another the kernel/firmware provided by debian are not detecting your card properly
• 418[04:05:37] <somiaj> it could be a newer card with a different pcid than is in the database, so thought it is supported it isn't detected
• 419[04:06:08] <crimson_king> somiaj, replaced-url
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• 421[04:06:41] <crimson_king> somiaj, that is output from dmesg | grep -i amd
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• 423[04:06:56] <somiaj> I don't even see an error bout not finding firmware, just that it is required to be installed
• 424[04:07:16] <somiaj> crimson_king: apt policy firmware-amd-graphics (just to be complete)
• 425[04:07:22] <aoibhecozy> hello friends i return, could anyone assist me in installing opengl 3.3? a few sources online are saying to check my graphics card drivers and update those, but i dont know how to do either of those things
• 426[04:07:41] <somiaj> crimson_king: can you go look at dmesg and paste all lines around 1.809341 where amdgpu drive is being talked about.
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• 428[04:08:16] <crimson_king> somiaj, ok, just a sec
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• 430[04:08:32] <crimson_king> somiaj, this is apt policy command: replaced-url
• 431[04:08:40] <somiaj> ahh maybe this is the issue, the firmware is not prsent in the initramfs, anyone know how to check that to verify?
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• 433[04:09:45] <dvs> or just rebuild it?
• 434[04:09:51] <somiaj> crimson_king: lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-<kernel version> -- lets see if the initramfs is missing amdgpu firmware
• 435[04:10:33] <somiaj> yea, might have to explicity state to include it though
• 436[04:12:04] <crimson_king> somiaj, it lists the module amdgpu and amdgpu.ko
• 437[04:12:17] <somiaj> crimson_king: but does it list the firmware, /lib/firmawre/amdgpu
• 438[04:12:42] <crimson_king> nothing like that
• 439[04:12:48] <somiaj> that might be the problem.
• 440[04:13:10] <crimson_king> should I try to rebuild the initramfs?
• 441[04:13:16] <somiaj> you could try to run 'update-initramfs' then lsinitramfs and check again
• 442[04:13:20] <crimson_king> ok
• 443[04:13:39] <dvs> -u -k all ?
• 444[04:13:42] <somiaj> sorry update-initramfs -u
• 445[04:13:53] <crimson_king> -u -k all is what I used
• 446[04:14:03] <crimson_king> I remember from enabling TRIM support for ssd hehe
• 447[04:14:17] <dvs> and lsinitramfs?
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• 449[04:15:05] <crimson_king> ok, during the rebuilding, it kept printing "Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/vega20_asd.bin for module amdgpu"
• 450[04:15:19] <crimson_king> and many other lines referencing slightly different paths, files
• 451[04:15:28] <LtL> xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu maybe
• 452[04:15:28] <crimson_king> but about the same amdgpu module
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• 454[04:15:54] <somiaj> that may or may not be the problem, I get it to on some of my modules
• 455[04:16:04] <somiaj> because it sometimes looks for multiple firmware files and not all of them may be there
• 456[04:16:22] <somiaj> anyways, did it put any /lib/firmware/amggpu in your initramfs
• 457[04:16:22] <crimson_king> It is installed already...
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• 459[04:16:31] <crimson_king> let me check
• 460[04:17:13] <crimson_king> Now I have multiple lines like "usr/lib/firmware/amdgpu" and also /usr/lib/firmware/radeon
• 461[04:17:20] <crimson_king> multiple lines that were not there before.
• 462[04:17:30] <crimson_king> So I gotta try again to start GDM
• 463[04:17:31] <somiaj> try to reboot and see if the firwmare is now abailble when loading the module
• 464[04:17:40] <somiaj> na this will see if it works at boot
• 465[04:17:43] <somiaj> if you want to test it now just run
• 466[04:17:51] <somiaj> 'mopdorbe -r amdgpu' then 'modprobe amdgpu'
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• 468[04:18:20] <crimson_king> It worked :O
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• 470[04:18:34] <somiaj> yea, for some reason when you installed the firmare it didn't update your initramfs
• 471[04:18:34] <crimson_king> I'm at the desktop now.
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• 473[04:19:04] <somiaj> might want to close the bugreport (unless you can repduce the situtaions that explain why you the firwamre wasn't added to initramfs automatically)
• 474[04:19:25] <dvs> explain the problem.
• 475[04:19:30] <dvs> in the report
• 476[04:19:40] <crimson_king> I will add what we discovered here to the bug report
• 477[04:20:07] <crimson_king> Thanks for the help
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• 482[04:22:42] <dvs> np
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• 501[04:39:56] <Schyken> So, if I enable compression for BTRFS in my FSTAB for root, will this automagically apply to all existing stuff on the filesystem or would I need to have this set up from the start?
• 502[04:40:51] <Schyken> I know BTRFS can have compression methods and levels vary from file to file, which leads me to believe that mounting it with compression options won't change existing files that are not compressed
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• 522[04:47:28] <olf-folks> i only have a dummy output for my sound, and here is this replaced-url
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• 533[04:49:30] <dvs> another timidity-daemon victim?
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• 538[04:49:57] <jmcnaught> olf-folks: does 'aplay -l' list your soundcard?
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• 540[04:50:39] <olf-folks> yes
• 541[04:51:10] <jmcnaught> !timidity pulseaudio
• 542[04:51:10] <dpkg> Some users have had <timidity> blocking access to their sound card, resulting in <pulseaudio> only seeing a dummy output. Check if timidity is running with 'systemctl status timidity' and stop/disable with 'systemctl stop timidity ; systemctl disable timidity' and/or remove the timidity-daemon package.
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• 544[04:51:20] <jmcnaught> olf-folks: ^ check that, a few people have had this problem
• 545[04:51:30] <olf-folks> thanks
• 546[04:51:37] <ghormoon> tried in the end upgrading the laptop. update-initramfs -u spits out replaced-url
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• 558[04:59:03] <olf-folks> thanks jmcnaught stoping timidity fixed the problem
• 559[04:59:19] <dvs> holy crap! another one???
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• 577[05:11:24] <Casper26> anyone else been able to get mugshot installed on Debian buster xfce to edit profiles?
• 578[05:12:09] <Unit193> mugshot isn't in Buster, a RC bug was fixed a little too late so it ended up getting removed.
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• 581[05:13:40] <Schyken> This might be of use if Mugshot is important to have replaced-url
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• 583[05:14:08] <Schyken> I recommend not just downloading the .deb and considering whether or not it's absolutely necessary before adding it via the repo.
• 584[05:14:17] <Casper26> what should be used in it's place? or will it be fixed later?
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• 587[05:14:34] <somiaj> it might be provided in buster-backports, but depends on the matainer
• 588[05:14:38] <somiaj> it won't be added to buster later
• 589[05:14:47] <somiaj> (since buster is frozen)
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• 593[05:16:24] <Casper26> so will xfce remove or replace the functionality or will it just stay broken?
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• 595[05:16:57] <Unit193> somiaj: "Unlikely"
• 596[05:17:10] <ksk> Casper26: that is not really how Debian works.
• 597[05:17:55] <Casper26> ksk: ?
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• 600[05:19:04] <Unit193> mugshot isn't even technically a part of Xfce.
• 601[05:19:21] <ksk> Just because Package A does not meet the quality criteria for a new release, it does not mean a package B will jump in to fill in the gap
• 602[05:19:24] <somiaj> and each thing it configures can be done with other tools.
• 603[05:20:00] <Casper26> what is a good alternative?
• 604[05:20:17] <Unit193> That being said, the version in Bullseye would be compatible with Buster right now, though we can't really advocate you grab it. :3
• 605[05:20:29] <somiaj> might just have to modify each thing manually, and just modify that
• 606[05:20:36] <somiaj> what is it you really want to change?
• 607[05:21:06] * ksk reads about ~/.face
• 608[05:22:00] <Casper26> a gui to edit add and remove users?
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• 613[05:23:11] <ksk> You do actually use these "First Name, Adress" fields etc? Interesting.
• 614[05:23:14] <Unit193> That's not what mugshot does, it changes details about users.
• 615[05:24:07] <ksk> Casper26: I would think every "full sized" desktop would have some user-managment included? But I dont know first hand.
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• 621[05:27:40] <magic_ninja> I have to say, the linux desktop has straight up become amazing.
• 622[05:27:58] <magic_ninja> This will have to be remembered as some of the golden-years.
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• 630[05:36:15] <Unit193> ksk: In a few desktops, it's common to have the older gnome-system-tools for that.
• 631[05:37:18] <friendofafriend> I've got a Buster installation running Linux-KVM. They're set to start with the host booting. When the host boots, they're in status "Shutoff (Failed)", when I start them manually they run fine. Where is the failure reported?
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• 633[05:37:46] <friendofafriend> Sorry, "they're" being the guests.
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• 637[05:38:25] <ghormoon> "figured' out the cryptsetup issue bu downgrading to stretch version :( at least it boots now
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• 639[05:38:51] <ghormoon> btw who runs 10 already, do you have sockets in /tmp/.X11-unix/ by default or not?
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• 642[05:40:38] <friendofafriend> Oh, I see, it's off in /var/log. I'm having to wait a very long time for Buster to bring up SSHd at boot, and I wasn't having that problem with Stretch on the same hardware.
• 643[05:40:55] <friendofafriend> Is anybody else waiting a very long time for SSHd to start under Buster?
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• 646[05:42:25] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: replaced-url
• 647[05:43:02] <friendofafriend> So, this is systemd's fault.
• 648[05:43:16] <magic_ninja> ghormoon, it appears so
• 649[05:43:22] <ghormoon> also nm somewhow stopped autoconnecting to hidden wifi
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• 651[05:43:56] <ghormoon> magic_ninja: which one? :)
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• 653[05:44:25] <magic_ninja> X0
• 654[05:44:46] <magic_ninja> I'm guess that is the handle for display 0
• 655[05:44:58] <friendofafriend> jmcnaught: What's the best way to lobotimize whatever systemd is doing that's causing this problem? "[P]ing the system on the network continuously as this adds entropy to the randomness pool" is completely ridiculous.
• 656[05:45:40] <friendofafriend> And the idea that a system could hang for *hours* over entropy is reason enough to banish systemd completely.
• 657[05:45:41] <somiaj> ,v rng-tools
• 658[05:45:42] <judd> Package: rng-tools on amd64 -- jessie: 2-unofficial-mt.14-1; bullseye: 2-unofficial-mt.14-1+b2; buster: 2-unofficial-mt.14-1+b2; stretch: 2-unofficial-mt.14-1+b2; sid: 5-1
• 659[05:45:42] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: it's not really systemd's fault that there isn't enough entropy. Look at the workaround mentioned in the release notes, others are mentioned on the wiki page that is linked
• 660[05:46:27] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: add a virtio_rng to the VMs
• 661[05:46:49] <friendofafriend> I think the problem is occuring on the host itself.
• 662[05:47:04] <ghormoon> magic_ninja: yes, so it should work. dammit
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• 665[05:48:01] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: 'lscpu | grep --color rdrand' to see if you have that instruction
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• 673[05:49:24] <friendofafriend> jmcnaught: Nope.
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• 676[05:50:16] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: Nope for the host, or for the VMs?
• 677[05:50:28] <friendofafriend> For the host.
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• 680[05:51:01] <friendofafriend> That's a pretty massive bug.
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• 686[05:51:48] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: try one of these: replaced-url
• 687[05:52:20] <friendofafriend> I don't understand what that is or is supposed to do.
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• 689[05:53:53] <friendofafriend> So, systemd is standing the way of my system booting, and now I've got to run some entropy generator? And Debian's documentation amounts to "here's some packages"?
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• 691[05:54:56] <friendofafriend> Is there some flag or config setting where I can tell systemd to keep its nose out of my entropy, and just boot the system like anyone would expect?
• 692[05:54:58] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: a package is mentioned in the release notes that you could use, the replaced-url
• 693[05:55:59] <friendofafriend> Really, I'm after "breaking" whatever "functionality" is being "provided" by systemd here. I just don't want it.
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• 695[05:56:53] <Chex> heh
• 696[05:57:53] <Chex> friendofafriend: you must feed the systemd deity(sp??) in order to boot.
• 697[05:58:27] <friendofafriend> I thought waiting several minutes was bad for my network connection to come up, but other people have their systems sitting for *hours* over this?
• 698[05:58:53] <ghormoon> hm, seems i need to kill xorg to make it restart and then the sockets open
• 699[05:59:09] <ghormoon> maybe systems is somehow remounting /tmp after xorg starteD?
• 700[05:59:17] <ghormoon> *systemd
• 701[05:59:36] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: from what I understand systemd uses hashmaps as internal data structures, it's not really a feature you can disable. What about trying haveged?
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• 703[06:00:02] <somiaj> and systemd isn't the only thing needing entropy, the kernel seems to use a lot of it for security reasons too.
• 704[06:00:15] <jmcnaught> and sshd can consume entropy
• 705[06:00:24] <friendofafriend> I was booting Stretch just fine without it, thanks.
• 706[06:00:27] <somiaj> but if you don't have enough entropy, find ways to incerase it, haveged or rng-tools are one such way
• 707[06:00:42] <friendofafriend> Right, but my system booted.
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• 709[06:02:05] <friendofafriend> And if a system is going to hang for hours over low entropy, then pick some entropy collection daemon and make it part of the base package.
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• 712[06:02:53] <Terrell> Anyone here?
• 713[06:03:00] <friendofafriend> Or, get systemd to fix the problem, because I guess it's been one since... 2014?
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• 715[06:03:30] <ghormoon> i just upgraded two boxes and one of them also takes like a minute just to collect entropy for the cryptsetup swap partition, but that's not that bad, could be worse
• 716[06:03:39] <somiaj> ranting is just not productive here, for the most part we are not developers, you have been pointed to solutions, complaining about it isn't going to change anything.
• 717[06:03:39] <friendofafriend> And to see in the docs "a fallback that makes experts hold their noses: apt install haveged", they don't hold their noses at a system that hangs for hours at boot?
• 718[06:04:01] <friendofafriend> It's supposed to be a stable release.
• 719[06:04:02] <Terrell> wrong channel. sorry
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• 721[06:04:36] <friendofafriend> And you can try to call being incredulous a rant, but that doesn't make it one.
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• 726[06:08:46] <kreyren> looking for `cm.lib, mm.lib, mn.lib` on debian
• 727[06:08:51] <jh001> fresh deb10, missing something to get X11 forwarding -> putty -> xming. worked fine on deb9 so kinda lost. anyone have a clue?
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• 731[06:12:52] <ghormoon> anyone has clean (not upraded) install of debian 10 to compare please? does "systemctl list-units -a | grep tmp.mount" list something?
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• 733[06:13:27] <ghormoon> jh001: do you have anything in /tmp/.X11-unix/ ? :D
• 734[06:13:41] <friendofafriend> ghormoon: tmp.mount loaded active mounted /tmp
• 735[06:14:28] <friendofafriend> So, I take it libvirt is coming up before networking is started on Buster, when it wasn't doing the same under Stretch.
• 736[06:14:29] <ghormoon> mine is not-found inactive dead tmp.mount. nothing in journal either, but the file exists in /usr/share/systemd/tmp.mount
• 737[06:15:24] <ghormoon> but enable says unit file tmp.mount doesn't exist. where is yours?
• 738[06:15:29] <jh001> ghormoon: the dir is there, but empty
• 739[06:16:22] <ghormoon> for me it is a file
• 740[06:16:27] <ghormoon> ah sry
• 741[06:16:39] <jmcnaught> ghormoon: do you have /tmp in your fstab? .mount units can be generated from fstab entries
• 742[06:16:51] <friendofafriend> Anyone else having Linux-KVM guests not boot with "(process:613): Spice-WARNING **: 00:06:27.208: reds.c:2611:reds_init_socket: getaddrinfo(127.0.0.1,5900): Address family for hostname not supported" in the log?
• 743[06:17:23] <ghormoon> jmcnaught: seems not, what params should i use?
• 744[06:17:40] <jh001> ghormoon: I have
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• 746[06:18:16] <jh001> tmp.mount not-found inactive dead tmp.mount
• 747[06:18:20] <jh001> as well
• 748[06:18:26] <ghormoon> jh001: you putty into ssh server runni on the debian 10 or what? did you try ssh -X from some linux box?
• 749[06:19:01] <jmcnaught> ghormoon: params for what? I was talking about /etc/fstab.
• 750[06:19:03] <jh001> ghormoon: note that I do not have a separate tmp fs
• 751[06:19:07] <ghormoon> might be related, might not in your case, but some things ry to use the socket that it can't find because mounted over later
• 752[06:19:20] <ghormoon> jmcnaught: yup, on the fstap line
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• 754[06:19:57] <jh001> ghormoon: yeah the ssh stuff is all in place - could not connect to any X display
• 755[06:20:07] <ghormoon> /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0 ?
• 756[06:21:41] <jmcnaught> ghormoon: what are you trying to accomplish? For me /tmp is just part of the root filesystem, on my desktop /tmp has its own logical volume
• 757[06:21:46] <somiaj> jh001: not that this may solve your problem, but from windows I find mobaxterm much nicer than putty + xming
• 758[06:22:55] <ghormoon> jmcnaught: i have my /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 sockets "missing' and it seems they are mounted-over later than X server is started
• 759[06:22:57] <jh001> somiaj: I hear you - but putty works now with deb9, thanks
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• 761[06:23:36] <jmcnaught> ghormoon: does this happen if you do not have /tmp in /etc/fstab?
• 762[06:23:40] <ghormoon> yes
• 763[06:24:04] <ghormoon> i'll try with it now, gotta reboot
• 764[06:29:03] <ghormoon> no difference, still i need to kill Xorg to let it restart and write to the proper mount
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• 769[06:31:19] <friendofafriend> After putting "After=network-online.target" into libvirtd.service and libvirt-guests.service, the guests still start up before name resolution works. Why have "network-online.target", then?
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• 777[06:38:08] <ghormoon> not 100% sure it is mount, though, but i guess yes
• 778[06:39:32] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: you should put Wants=network-online.target as well, and you need to make sure ifupdown-wait-online.service is enabled (or a different wait service if you don't use ifupdown). replaced-url
• 779[06:40:31] <friendofafriend> Yes, I've added both as "After=" and "Wants=".
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• 781[06:41:01] <friendofafriend> I don't understand what ifupdown-wait-online.service is, or is doing, or how to check it's enabled.
• 782[06:41:37] <rabbitear_sdf> sudo systemctl status ifupdown-wait-online
• 783[06:42:17] <rabbitear_sdf> look for 'running' and also 'enabled' <- meaning it starts at boot (or went its suppose to)
• 784[06:42:23] <friendofafriend> So, I've run that, and I get possibly the most confusing output I've ever seen: Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/ifupdown-wait-online.service; disabled; vendor preset: enabled)"
• 785[06:42:49] <friendofafriend> So, it's loaded. and it's disabled. And vendor preset is enabled.
• 786[06:42:57] <friendofafriend> Under it, "Active: inactive (dead)".
• 787[06:43:26] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: systemctl enable it then
• 788[06:43:43] <friendofafriend> Active. Inactive. Dead. How can that be turned into information? Is it saying it's enabled? Disabled? Active? Inactive?
• 789[06:43:48] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: is your networking configured in /etc/network/interfaces or somewhere else?
• 790[06:44:11] <friendofafriend> Yes, /etc/network/interfaces .
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• 794[06:45:14] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: when you edited libvirtd.service did you edit the one in /lib/systemd/system?
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• 797[06:45:56] <friendofafriend> jmcnaught: Yes, in /lib/systemd/system. Does it matter when in the file the After= and Wants= are placed? Does the .service file have to be reread or reregistered somehow?
• 798[06:47:03] <somiaj> those edits will be overwritten, use 'systemctl edit unit' to copy it to /etc/systemd/system and edit the copy.
• 799[06:47:37] <somiaj> and you do have to run systemctl reload unit (or something like that) for the chnages to take affect.
• 800[06:47:51] <friendofafriend> I've rebooted a few times, when will those files be overwritten?
• 801[06:48:16] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: by the libvirtd deb package next time it is upgraded
• 802[06:48:19] <friendofafriend> Is there a way I can simply make the read only, so as to not use "systemctl edit"?
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• 804[06:48:53] <friendofafriend> And I'd be running what exactly, "systemctl edit libvirtd"?
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• 806[06:50:21] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: units in /etc/systemd/system take priority over units under /lib. You can also create /etc/systemd/system/libvirtd.service.d/override.conf that contains only the directives you want to override, that's called a drop-in
• 807[06:50:46] <somiaj> friendofafriend: files in /lib/systemd/system are controled by the .debs that own them, upgrades in the package will override the files
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• 809[06:51:19] <friendofafriend> So, basically, if I'm trying to figure out how a service is loading, I've got to look in two different places?
• 810[06:51:49] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: 'systemctl edit libvirtd.service' automates the process of creating an override drop-in
• 811[06:52:25] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: 'systemctl cat libvirtd.service' to see the complete unit along with its drop-ins
• 812[06:55:18] <friendofafriend> Gosh, this is awfully complex. So, regarding ifupdown-wait-online.service, why would I need to enable that *and* network-online.target? Isn't network-online.target waiting for, y'know, the network to be online?
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• 816[06:57:17] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: "network-online.target is a target that actively waits until the nework is "up", where the definition of "up" is defined by the network management software." ifupdown-wait-online.service is how ifupdown is telling network-online.target it's up. replaced-url
• 817[06:57:54] <friendofafriend> So, network-online.target basically doesn't actually mean your network is up at all?
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• 820[06:59:30] <friendofafriend> And it's up to some additional bunch of software to tell systemd that the network is up, even though that's not enabled by default, and you get no output from anywhere that it's not?
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• 823[07:01:56] <friendofafriend> And I guess there's so way to tease out from systemd when it thinks the network is up, but I seemingly can't find a file that contains that information. So that I may cat it. And grep it. Where might it be?
• 824[07:02:06] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: ifupdown-wait-online.service probably isn't enabled by default because users might be using a different one, like my laptop which is using NetworkManager-wait-online.service
• 825[07:03:13] <friendofafriend> Right, but users are certainly using something? And wouldn't that be appropriate to enable by default? Isn't that "vendor preset" enabled tell me that it is?
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• 867[07:36:17] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. Where are the program files kept for programs?
• 868[07:37:04] <Lady_Aleena> I don't want to have run a find on my entire system, and I need to see a line in a python script from gramps.
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• 871[07:41:02] <HeXiLeD> depends
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• 873[07:41:32] <HeXiLeD> Lady_Aleena: bin sbin are 2 locations to start with.
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• 875[07:42:29] <Lady_Aleena> Is there a file viewer that has line numbers?
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• 877[07:44:14] <HeXiLeD> once again, depends: on the file viewer and if you want numbers on it or not
• 878[07:44:34] <Lady_Aleena> The only ones I know for the command line are more, less, and cat.
• 879[07:45:02] <HeXiLeD> try vim : set number
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• 881[07:46:15] <HeXiLeD> echo ':set number' >> ~/.vimrc
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• 885[07:48:26] <Lady_Aleena> Less had it, less -N
• 886[07:48:46] <Lady_Aleena> Now if I could only figure out how to read python.
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• 889[07:49:23] <HeXiLeD> do you mean, understand it or see the python code?
• 890[07:50:07] <Lady_Aleena> Understand it.
• 891[07:50:29] <Lady_Aleena> But I think I just understood enough that I am annoyed.
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• 894[07:52:44] <HeXiLeD> happens
• 895[07:53:17] <ayekat> Lady_Aleena: what problem are you trying to solve?
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• 898[07:54:39] <Lady_Aleena> ayekat, I was trying to import a csv file into gramps, and it kept ignoring the csv, but I found out why. So after making an adjustment, I think I got it.
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• 903[07:55:41] <ayekat> I hope you didn't do that adjustment in any of the python files under /usr :-)
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• 914[08:08:30] <Lady_Aleena> ayekat, I adjusted MY csv file, I did NOT touch the python code. I don't know python, but I was able to read it a little bit.
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• 916[08:09:27] <Lady_Aleena> However, this is a "bug".
• 917[08:09:28] <ayekat> Lady_Aleena: ok - you just gave no information about how you solved your issue, so I wondered
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• 919[08:11:00] <Lady_Aleena> ayekat, I looked around the line in the python file that was throwing the warning. I then determined what the script was looking for in my csv file, in this case the word "surname". I then added "surname" to my csv file. I tried importing it again, and this time I succeeded.
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• 925[08:19:48] <Jck_true> The buster upgrade FUBAR'ed my SSD. My server refuses to boot from it now... Thankfully I still have the old drive with a working stretch installation... Looks like it's gonna be reinstall friday for me!!!
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• 927[08:20:47] <Jck_true> On the upside my server draws 5 watts less when running off the MicroSD card :P
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• 939[08:29:32] <Haohmaru> it was some magical .conf
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• 942[08:30:57] <Haohmaru> ah, found it: replaced-url
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• 950[08:34:35] <rant> Jck_true: idk if your calendar is broke, you're a procrastinator, or you had an accident with a time machine
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• 958[08:40:15] <dabc> Hello. Is Debian LTS actually the same thing as providing security updates for oldstable?
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• 968[08:45:51] <somiaj> !lts
• 969[08:45:51] <dpkg> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <jessie-lts> and see replaced-url
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• 974[08:46:18] <somiaj> dabc: select packages of oldstable (read up on how to determine what packages aren't covered)
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• 976[08:47:49] <somiaj> stretch won't go into lts for a year (debian security handeles security support for the first year of an old stable)
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• 1124[08:51:17] <dabc> I see, thank you. So if I'm getting this right, what matters is the 5 years time period rather than entering/leaving oldstable?
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• 1126[08:51:47] <somiaj> what matters is funding. LTS could disappear tomorrow if funding drops
• 1127[08:51:58] <dabc> oh
• 1128[08:52:10] <somiaj> debian LTS is a project in which companies and indvudials fund to extend the life one debian no longer supports it
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• 1131[08:52:35] <somiaj> so far it has done a fairly good job (espically on the server side of things), but funding and work required are the biggest factors.
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• 1138[08:52:55] <somiaj> There was even mention of an ELTS support to go beyond 5 years, but unsure if that got enough funding or not
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• 1144[08:53:45] <dabc> yep, I saw that. Thank you
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• 1439[10:13:30] <tre_09mx> hi people ....
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• 1444[10:14:49] <tre_09mx> can some one tell me how to remove linux mirrors
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• 1449[10:16:44] <tre_09mx> help
• 1450[10:16:52] <tre_09mx> #help
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• 1865[11:37:43] <gypsymauro> hi
• 1866[11:38:40] <gypsymauro> I've upgraded from 9 to 10 a desktop client, when I download from browser or I double click on a pdf file it doesn't open the file and I find processes like: start /ProgIDOpen pdffile.. where I can change thid behavoiur?
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• 1869[11:39:48] <moritz> gypsymauro: your browser should have settings about which file types to open with which application
• 1870[11:39:50] <mstruebing> is it possible to install a minor patch version of a package which already has a major bump to not get the breaking change with apt?
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• 1872[11:40:16] <mstruebing> i.e. I want to install 1.9 but there is already 2.0
• 1873[11:40:41] <moritz> yes, you can do such things with pinning
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• 1876[11:41:30] <ayekat> gypsymauro: what file manager are you using?
• 1877[11:41:46] <ayekat> gypsymauro: check the output of `xdg-mime query default application/pdf`
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• 1883[11:45:09] <gypsymauro> ayekat: wine-extension-pdf.desktop , I'm using cinnamon
• 1884[11:45:16] <gypsymauro> whi wine?
• 1885[11:45:18] <gypsymauro> why
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• 1887[11:46:05] <ayekat> gypsymauro: that's typical of wine, to install custom file type associations
• 1888[11:47:07] <ayekat> gypsymauro: check if you can find a `mimeapps.list` file either in ~/.local/share or ~/.config
• 1889[11:47:23] <ayekat> it contains all the file type associations - you can just remove all the WINE entries in there
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• 1891[11:50:36] <gypsymauro> ayekat: found in .config and in .local/share/applications/ but none of them contains any referement to wine
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• 1893[11:51:59] <ayekat> hmm... I don't remember anymore how I unfscked the wine entries :-/
• 1894[11:55:01] <gypsymauro> doh I dounf it in ~/.local/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache, I clean that cache now it's associated to libreoffice-draw
• 1895[11:55:05] <gypsymauro> damn
• 1896[11:55:06] <gypsymauro> :D
• 1897[11:55:14] <gypsymauro> found
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• 1903[11:59:06] <ayekat> ah, I totally thought .cache wouldn't matter - good to know ^^
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• 1957[12:30:10] <elwisp> audio is halfbroken after upgrade to buster
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• 1959[12:31:07] <elwisp> in order to use pavucontrol i nace to do pulseaudio --kill and --start else it cannot connect
• 1960[12:31:17] <elwisp> I have no idea where to start in order to fix it
• 1961[12:32:01] <elwisp> After that chrome tells me to restart the machine
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• 1975[12:36:45] <sdschulze> Hi, just out of curiousity: Now that installed Debian is secure-boot-compatible, what is the problem with making a secure-boot-enabled installer medium?
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• 1979[12:39:22] <mathisen> im just guessing that would be an issue
• 1980[12:39:38] <mathisen> sdschulze, anyway i was talking about replaced-url
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• 2008[13:00:29] <sdschulze> Well, I have a Debian installation on a USB stick and I ran "grub-install --removable --uefi-secure-boot" on that, but it failed to boot, complaining "System BootOrder not found", even if secure boot was not even enabled in UEFI.
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• 2072[13:41:20] <ghormoon> hi, where to start debugging, if i have missng socket in /tmp/.X11-unix/X0, but if i kill the xserver and let it restart wit the same options, it is there? i was suspecting something during the boo process moutnig over /tmp, but it seems i was wrong
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• 2074[13:41:42] <ghormoon> the box is recently dist-upgraded
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• 2077[13:42:49] <annadane> is there a reason why qbittorrent's icon won't show up in the MATE tray?
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• 2079[13:44:07] <annadane> it's there, i can hover over it, but it's just a blank space
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• 2104[13:51:38] <annadane> well okay i see i'm not the only one who's asked, i'll do some research
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• 2147[14:10:21] <finn0> I wonder, which application is best for edit images (redact, compress etc)?
• 2148[14:10:21] <finn0> Currently, I'm using Shotwell which don't have these features.
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• 2153[14:14:23] <finn0> probably GIMP is would be the answer. But, don't know how to redact information from image in GIMP.
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• 2158[14:15:10] <humpled> sorry what do you mean by redact?
• 2159[14:15:17] <radkos> hi how can I setup default nice value of a process name per user
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• 2161[14:15:49] <radkos> let say I want for user login5 to set default nice value for php command to be 10
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• 2163[14:16:07] <humpled> there is a tool called mat for removing metadata and a tool called convert for changing file size/format etc.
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• 2165[14:16:40] <humpled> sorry i don't know about gui stuff
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• 2183[14:27:35] <miggyb> Hello, I'm having a really weird issue with the python-cryptography package refusing to get removed or reinstalled. I've tried every combination of dpkg/apt commands that I can think of. Has anyone seen anything like this? Running stretch on amd64 replaced-url
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• 2189[14:30:37] <gpk_> Today I am getting an error when trying to install locales on stretch (it's actually python:3.6-slim docker image). replaced-url
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• 2191[14:31:25] <han-solo> miggyb: your default python is `python3` ?
• 2192[14:32:10] <han-solo> or to rephrase the question "did you make `python3` as default `python`" ?
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• 2196[14:32:44] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
• 2197[14:32:45] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 2201[14:32:52] <jelly> gpk_, ^
• 2202[14:33:00] <miggyb> Yes, as far as I can tell. replaced-url
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• 2204[14:34:16] <jelly> miggyb, that's not supported and _will_ break some system components. /usr/bin/python is NOT managed by alternatives in Debian
• 2205[14:34:21] <han-solo> miggyb: well, the code that was written for `pyclean` must have been for `python2`, so you need `python2` as default in your system
• 2206[14:34:44] <han-solo> and i have never seen `python3` as the default `python` in debian yet
• 2207[14:34:51] <han-solo> i'm still in stretch
• 2208[14:35:11] <miggyb> Ah, makes sense. Let me change the default to Python 2 and try this again. Thanks for the heads up!
• 2209[14:35:42] <centrix> I am preparing a system of Deb11. We will run squid4 on it with 50-10 concurrent users. 4GB RAM, 2CPUs, 300GB separate space for squid. Do I initially need swap there?
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• 2211[14:35:51] <jelly> miggyb, there shouldn't be ANY alternatives for /usr/bin/python, whoever created them for you broke important assumptions.
• 2212[14:36:20] <han-solo> miggyb: also, do you need those libs `system wide` ?
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• 2214[14:36:56] <han-solo> `python-cryptography`, i meant
• 2215[14:37:21] <miggyb> jelly: honestly, the villain might have been me. I don't remember if I used `update-alternatives` or just set a soft link. Let me see if I can unscrew the system first
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• 2217[14:37:45] <miggyb> han-solo: Not that I know of, but I'd like to clean up the dpkg database first and then try removing it. At least that's what makes sense to me
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• 2219[14:38:23] <miggyb> so first uninstall it "by force" if needed, then install it cleanly, then remove it cleanly.
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• 2222[14:39:12] <han-solo> miggyb: for development, highly recommend some form `virtualenv`
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• 2226[14:41:22] <miggyb> Yup, I started using virtualenv to avoid issues like this and then that project just got moved into a Docker container anyway. I'm sure there's some more Python libs that should be removed
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• 2233[14:44:18] <miggyb> Okay yes, set the default Python to 2.7 (using `update-alternatives`) and then reinstalling and removing the package seems to work as intended now. `dpkg --audit` comes back clean. Thanks for the help, han-solo and jelly! I've learned my lesson :)
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• 2239[14:47:03] <jelly> miggyb, remove all the alternatives for "python", they should not exist at all
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• 2244[14:48:50] <miggyb> Okay, I’ll do that as well
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• 2246[14:49:21] <gpk_> jelly: it seems to be because it's using buster now, even though the base image is debian:stretch-slim? How?
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• 2254[14:51:46] <ihristov> Does anyone know how to fix the resolution of a vino server?
• 2255[14:51:48] <jelly> gpk_, if you show all the info I might dare a guess, but without it you're going to get a ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
• 2256[14:51:54] <finn0> humpled, redact: obscure (a black strip line) or remove certain part (text) from document
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• 2258[14:51:56] <ihristov> I can't find the settings of this one
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• 2261[14:53:44] <gpk_> jelly: replaced-url
• 2262[14:53:47] <finn0> humpled: mat or mat2 only remove meta-data cannot be use for image/document editing.
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• 2264[14:54:02] <gpk_> Notice it's using buster... but python:3.6-slim is stretch?
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• 2266[14:54:46] <jelly> gpk_, that's not all the info the bot asked for
• 2267[14:55:01] <gpk_> jelly: I think it is
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• 2269[14:55:55] <jelly> gpk_, I think "apt-cache policy all the packages mentioned" is incomplete, and "apt-cache policy" is missing
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• 2272[14:56:42] <gpk_> I think python:3.6-slim is buster now.. I think that is it
• 2273[14:56:43] <jelly> gpk_, step 3) is a literal "apt-cache policy" without anything else in the command
• 2274[14:57:06] <gpk_> jelly: replaced-url
• 2275[14:57:18] <rant> I have no idea what's going on there but looks like all this is being done remotely via some kinda python interface.
• 2276[14:57:51] <jelly> gpk_, can you run all the apt commands AFTER /etc/apt/sources.list is populated?
• 2277[14:58:32] <jelly> gpk_, that point in time you're running it right now is either before it's populated, or before apt-get update has run for the first time
• 2278[14:58:59] <gpk_> jelly: replaced-url
• 2279[14:59:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1561
• 2280[14:59:02] <jelly> make the output almost useless, showing just the local /var/lib/dpkg/status db
• 2281[14:59:04] <gpk_> rant: it's Docker
• 2282[14:59:18] <gpk_> I forgot I removed the initial update
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• 2285[14:59:30] <liceoprova> ciao
• 2286[14:59:35] <liceoprova> !list
• 2287[14:59:35] <dpkg> liceoprova: vedi replaced-url
• 2288[14:59:39] <gpk_> So it's just buster, but I was using a local cahce of stretch before
• 2289[14:59:43] <jelly> gpk_, you have buster repos configured. That's not right for a system supposed to be built on stretch.
• 2290[14:59:45] <garotosopa> Hi. I've just checked dpkg.log and there are upgrades I don't recall doing myself, at times I wasn't even awake. Are there usual suspects for unattended upgrades I could check and disable?
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• 2297[15:01:38] <liceoprova> !list
• 2298[15:01:38] <dpkg> liceoprova: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi replaced-url
• 2299[15:02:01] <BCMM> ... what?
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• 2302[15:02:28] <BCMM> !list
• 2303[15:02:28] <dpkg> bcmm: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a replaced-url
• 2304[15:02:37] <jelly> BCMM, warez kidz from .it used to stumble in here on a fiarly regular basis
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• 2306[15:02:50] <BCMM> jelly: heh, ok. i was wondering how it decided what language to use...
• 2307[15:03:00] <jelly> it knew.
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• 2311[15:03:34] <BCMM> why .it specifically? was this channel on a popular italian list of warez channels?
• 2312[15:03:36] <annadane> and then you type the command with a lisp and instead of !list type !lisp and richard stallman explodes
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• 2317[15:04:12] <annadane> who i know speaks at least spanish, not sure about italian
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• 2322[15:05:04] <jelly> BCMM, we don't know
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• 2326[15:05:57] <BCMM> the eternal september never stops being weird...
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• 2366[15:34:45] <TheFlipside> i'm having trouble installing debian on a system with a NE2000+ network card, during the installation at the part to set up the kernel modules i set the io=0x280 and irq=10 but when the system reboots then there is no video anymore and it just beebs, apparently this happens when a program tries to access a ROM which doesnt exist; the only way i can resolve this is to set the jumper on the card to default and then start all
• 2367[15:34:45] <TheFlipside> over again with the driver utility on DOS :/
• 2368[15:34:57] <TheFlipside> i this a bug in debian2.1 or what am i missing
• 2369[15:35:23] <jelly> TheFlipside, you're missing a century!
• 2370[15:35:32] <TheFlipside> is that bad?
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• 2373[15:36:08] <jelly> honestly the one you're living in was probably better
• 2374[15:36:31] <jelly> at least the latter half
• 2375[15:36:40] <Ticho> well, you're connecting here via ipv6, and debian 2.1 is too old
• 2376[15:36:53] <Ticho> try switching to ipv5 or ipv4
• 2377[15:37:20] <TheFlipside> i cant get to that part, the hardware wont initiliaze
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• 2380[15:38:47] <jelly> even though I have a working Debian system that was installed as 2.1, it's getting rather hard to remember all the gritty details of how ISA worked, even after PnP
• 2381[15:39:38] <TheFlipside> i dont understand why it is doing this, i tested it with redhat6.0 and suse linux 6.1 and there were no problems there
• 2382[15:40:03] <dvs> Redhat 6.0, not RHEL 6
• 2383[15:40:06] <TheFlipside> yes
• 2384[15:40:07] <jelly> TheFlipside, tried debian 3.0?
• 2385[15:40:15] <TheFlipside> that isnt released yet
• 2386[15:40:21] <jelly> heheh
• 2387[15:40:33] <TheFlipside> maybe its because debian is on kernel 2.0.34 and the others on 2.2.5
• 2388[15:41:55] <jelly> a quick trip to 2003 and grab a woody
• 2389[15:42:13] <jelly> with, 2.4.8 kernel and working isapnp, IIRC
• 2390[15:42:29] <TheFlipside> i cant, i'm stuck in 1999
• 2391[15:43:10] <jelly> can you boot a RH kernel, then debootstrap and chroot into Debian, and compile the latest 2.2 kernel?
• 2392[15:43:31] <TheFlipside> ugh thats kind of too much effort
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• 2394[15:43:51] <jelly> not really
• 2395[15:43:52] <rant> jelly: thats supposing he can find plutonium-239 and get the delorean up to 88mph
• 2396[15:44:02] <TheFlipside> lel
• 2397[15:44:10] <jelly> people used to build custom kernels all the time, back then
• 2398[15:44:34] <TheFlipside> but why do i have to do this, i just want it to work out of the box
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• 2400[15:45:09] <TheFlipside> i think i will just make a remark and move on to the 3com 3c595
• 2401[15:45:27] <jelly> TheFlipside, you will have to be VERY picky about the hardware if you want Debian to Just Work
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• 2403[15:45:55] <jelly> sadly that will not have changed a lot in the next 20 years
• 2404[15:45:55] <TheFlipside> but that card is from 1994 and the design is from the 80s, why is it having problems with the module
• 2405[15:46:12] <jelly> short answer is "NE2k clones are crap"
• 2406[15:46:18] <TheFlipside> :/
• 2407[15:46:33] <jelly> get your hands on an ewrk3 or 3c509
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• 2409[15:46:47] <TheFlipside> i already tested the 3c509, worked out of the box
• 2410[15:46:47] <jelly> why do I even remember this.
• 2411[15:46:51] <jelly> see!
• 2412[15:46:59] <TheFlipside> ok i get it, ne2000 bad
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• 2416[15:47:41] * jelly hunts thru the archive
• 2417[15:47:45] <jelly> -rw-r--r-- 1 jelly jelly 443912 Feb 21 2001 /home/jelly/packages.old/ext3-0.0.6b/linux-2.2.19pre14.ext3.diff
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• 2420[15:48:15] <jelly> but that's already this century
• 2421[15:48:23] <TheFlipside> ext3? whats that witchcraft
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• 2423[15:48:43] <jelly> it was the best thing since sliced bread when it came out
• 2424[15:48:52] <jelly> or it will be!
• 2425[15:49:10] <jelly> be careful to skip version 0.0.3c
• 2426[15:49:12] <TheFlipside> wont happen, the 2k bug will render all systems unusable anyway
• 2427[15:49:21] <greycat> I put ext3 in my toaster once. Very poor results. Would not recommend as sliced bread replacement at this time.
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• 2436[15:54:52] <quazgar> Hi, will Firefox-esr 68 be released for Buster?
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• 2438[15:55:42] <greycat> In october, when 60 expires.
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• 2442[15:56:42] <greycat> Replacement of version X with version Y is done at the very last moment possible, when support for X goes away, and involves kicking and screaming.
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• 2460[16:07:05] <rant> heh
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• 2462[16:07:31] <rant> we were addressing this question on OFTC
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• 2464[16:07:56] <rant> though greycats concise explaination is entertaining as always
• 2465[16:08:21] <rant> I went into a lot more detail, teaching a man to fish as they say
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• 2469[16:12:30] <annadane> i would use firefox esr but i got tired of 'your firefox is too old for this extension'
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• 2471[16:13:47] <greycat> And I got tired of "hey, it's a new month, let's rip out all of this stuff you've been using for the last 10 years, because we love random unnecessary changes"
• 2472[16:14:39] <annadane> yeah...
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• 2477[16:17:31] <annadane> replaced-url
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• 2497[16:30:01] <jken> Does anyone use htpdate to set the time on their system? I am running into a situation where if I use htpdate to set the system time, in certain timezones it is off by 1 hour. Seems it might be timezones currently in daylight savings. Example: replaced-url
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• 2507[16:32:52] <greycat> so... "htpdate" is not just you making a typo for "ntpdate", then.
• 2508[16:33:14] <greycat> htpdate - HTTP based time synchronization tool
• 2509[16:34:24] <jken> correct, I have debian devices deployed behind networks where we can't rely on NTP unfortunately,
• 2510[16:35:02] <jken> it seems to consider the current timezone when setting the time for some reason./
• 2511[16:35:20] <koollman> shouldn't mysql-server be mentionned in replaced-url
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• 2513[16:35:51] <greycat> mysql was replaced by mariadb in stretch
• 2514[16:36:28] <koollman> yeah, I'm looking at the previous installations now. so, what was removed was the transitional dummy package
• 2515[16:36:34] <koollman> which is still kind of noteworthy :)
• 2516[16:37:04] <koollman> (and it depended on default-mysql-server. which is probably the 'right' choice now)
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• 2545[16:50:35] <quazgar> thanks rant and greycat! Kicking and screaming is fine for, as is around October. I would only hate being stuck for another few years with a version without many of my favorite addons.
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• 2549[16:50:57] <quazgar> btw, which channel is more canonical, here or at oftc?
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• 2584[17:03:42] <minall> Hello!
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• 2588[17:04:26] <minall> I'm unable to install debian on a very old pc, the pc freezes and doesn't boot properly just by plugging the usb with debian, which I can plug to another PC, and works nicely
• 2589[17:04:43] <minall> It happends in debian 9.9.0 and the newer, debian 10
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• 2591[17:04:52] <greycat> How old? There are certain minimum CPU requirements for each Debian release.
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• 2593[17:05:30] <greycat> Also, really old PCs may not boot from USB at all... but it sounds like yours *attempts* to boot from USB, so that may be a red herring.
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• 2603[17:08:31] <minall> It's 64 bits, aand is as old as having VIA technologies, P4M890 S3 UniChrome Pro
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• 2605[17:08:43] <minall> Is should have the requirements, but is strange
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• 2608[17:08:56] <minall> I'm able lto boot USBs from other distributions
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• 2610[17:09:28] <minall> I'm using guixSD, I tried and succesfully load NixOS, and I'm using ParrotOS, which is based on debian
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• 2612[17:09:42] <diogenes_> minall, try: acpi=off as boot param.
• 2613[17:10:09] <minall> One thing I could notice, if that when installing either of those systems, I need to load the module pata_acpi, or less it would have problems loading, maybe it has something to do?
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• 2616[17:11:26] <minall> diogenes_: You mean adding it to grub?, I can't since the pc frozes just because there's a debian usb bootable connected, but it doesn't happend with other distros, this is why I'm confused
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• 2622[17:12:24] <diogenes_> minall, then make a multiboot usb and try that way to load the iso.
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• 2625[17:13:49] <minall> diogenes_: How so? add 2 distros in one USB?, for example, ParrotOS and Debian?, since I know that Parrot OS works?
• 2626[17:14:22] <diogenes_> minall, and not only 2, as many as you want.
• 2627[17:14:56] <jmcnaught> I don't see how multiboot would help the issue
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• 2629[17:15:16] <jmcnaught> minall: which ISO image are you using? Live or installer?
• 2630[17:15:20] <minall> jmcnaught: Me neither, but since I'm at a loss, I should try it
• 2631[17:15:27] <diogenes_> jmcnaught, it will at least load the pendrive and there he can specify the needed params in grub.cfg.
• 2632[17:15:31] <minall> Full installer ...
• 2633[17:15:55] <minall> diogenes_: You're right, my pc just, freezes, is so strange lol
• 2634[17:16:09] <diogenes_> minall, also i'd suggest to to with non-free isos.
• 2635[17:16:19] <diogenes_> !firmware system
• 2636[17:16:26] <diogenes_> !firmware iso
• 2637[17:16:26] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
• 2638[17:16:47] <diogenes_> wait that is for netinst.
• 2639[17:16:58] <Johann> that's pretty cool iso, i didn't know they existed
• 2640[17:17:03] <minall> Mhh I should try everything...
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• 2645[17:17:56] <diogenes_> minall, i suggest one on the following: replaced-url
• 2646[17:18:03] <minall> I'm running a free distro, GuixSD, which doesn't load anything non-free, but it loads nice, so maybe it is not that it's not loading something non-free that needs
• 2647[17:18:08] <diogenes_> since i know for sure they work in a multiboot scenario.
• 2648[17:18:13] <minall> But i'll try
• 2649[17:18:22] <minall> diogenes_: Thanks!, I'll try
• 2650[17:18:27] <diogenes_> np
• 2651[17:18:31] <greycat> Ugh, live... but hey, if the real installer failed, maybe the live won't fail in the same way?
• 2652[17:19:04] <diogenes_> greycat, the goal now is to at least have it loaded, what comes next we are to figure out.
• 2653[17:19:05] <minall> Thank you all for your help, in the afternoon I should be able to connect to the pc, and then I can make everything necessary to install debian
• 2654[17:19:21] <diogenes_> ok
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• 2656[17:19:24] <minall> Yep, since it just freezes, strange
• 2657[17:19:29] <greycat> If it turns out that this weird VIA PC is incompatible with Debian's hybrid ISO installer images, the people at #debian-boot on OFTC may be the go-to.
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• 2660[17:20:49] <minall> I didn't know that IRC existed, in case I have problems, I should go there instead!
• 2661[17:21:02] <greycat> !oftc
• 2662[17:21:02] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may (or may not) be connected to OFTC's network. replaced-url
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• 2666[17:24:49] <jken> greycat, if you care prepending `TZ=America/Halifax` (my known working timezone) got around my issue with htpdate setting the wrong UTC system time
• 2667[17:25:14] <greycat> that's... interesting
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• 2669[17:25:44] <jken> I suspect some of the timezone configs in tzdata are not entirely accurate
• 2670[17:25:45] <greycat> was the TZ variable actually set to anything before you did that?
• 2671[17:25:54] <jken> greycat, no it was not.
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• 2674[17:26:50] <greycat> setting TZ should only override the system's default timezone, so in the absence of TZ I would expect it was using whatever you set the default to... but unfortunately, Debian has *two* different places where the default timezone is stored, and they can be changed independently
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• 2678[17:27:40] <Rust3dCor3> Hi. Anyway to get mp3gain on debian buster again? Im trying to get python-rgain and bs1770gain to work but I think i dont understend them at all
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• 2680[17:27:45] <greycat> Which raises a few questions. 1) which default timezone is htpdate using? 2) which default timezone did your timedatectl command change? 3) are they out of sync?
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• 2682[17:28:16] <Rust3dCor3> also I need just the ability to automatic album/track gain and also applying gain by hand by dB
• 2683[17:28:38] <greycat> The first one (I think it's deprecated) is "cat /etc/timezone", and the second is "ls -l /etc/localtime" (the timezone is embedded in the target of the symlink, because someone thought that was clever or something)
• 2684[17:28:42] <Rust3dCor3> or just give me a command to modify gain for a single file
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• 2734[17:55:44] <ansyeb> hello. trying to install debian 10 on an Dell XPS 15 9570. in UEFI mode it doesnt see the ssd nvme, so I couldnt install it for that sake. in legacy support mode I am able to install, but trying to boot into the system returns "no bootable devices found"
• 2735[17:56:29] <ansyeb> and XPS was marked as one of the most common notebooks for Linux ;/ alongside ThinkPad, oh yeah
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• 2737[17:56:56] <somiaj> have you checked the firmware/setup, sometimes there are different modes you can configure the SATA to use, configure one more useful for linux
• 2738[17:57:13] <ansyeb> Ive tried with: Raid ON, diasable and AHCI
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• 2741[17:57:32] <somiaj> I had a dell that I could install just fine on a normal drive, but it had some special 'ssd' chip that just didn't work under linux
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• 2744[17:58:30] <somiaj> yea, it was one of those ssd nvme or various special chips, and the chip worked in ocnjunction with the normal spinning drive.
• 2745[17:58:36] <somiaj> My solution for that laptop was to just use the spinning drive.
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• 2747[17:58:50] <diogenes_> ansyeb, make sure it's not gpt.
• 2748[17:58:50] <ansyeb> this one only has 512 ssd
• 2749[17:59:14] <ansyeb> diogenes_, how?
• 2750[17:59:49] <diogenes_> ansyeb, run a live gparted.
• 2751[17:59:53] <ansyeb> I did specify MBR and put it in the begginning of that nvme
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• 2753[18:00:00] <ansyeb> during the installation process
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• 2755[18:00:11] <ansyeb> if thats what you mean
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• 2760[18:00:53] <somiaj> yea, I don't have any solutions, I just recall having all sorts of strange issues with a dell and the ssd nvme chip
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• 2762[18:02:12] <diogenes_> i'd suggest some bootloader recover systems, there is a good one in mx-linux.
• 2763[18:02:26] <diogenes_> also knoppix.
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• 2766[18:03:27] <ansyeb> could you proivide a link to a guide on how to use it in my case?
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• 2768[18:03:47] <ansyeb> I dont think I have another external USB to burn something right now either
• 2769[18:04:08] <ansyeb> only the one with debian. and if I record new contents and this system fails again etc
• 2770[18:04:11] <diogenes_> ansyeb, yeah it would require either a usb or dvd.
• 2771[18:04:29] <ansyeb> why is XPS marked as notebook for Linux. such a lie
• 2772[18:04:43] <ansyeb> already spent like 10hours. heavily exhausted to even think
• 2773[18:04:59] <diogenes_> but have you run linux on it before?
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• 2783[18:07:56] <ansyeb> never
• 2784[18:08:06] <ansyeb> it came up with Windows preinstalled
• 2785[18:08:26] <ansyeb> tried with Ubuntu stick for the sake of it. same result. doesnt see the ssd in UEFI install mode
• 2786[18:08:34] <ansyeb> and "they" recommend installing in that mode .. but how
• 2787[18:09:28] <diogenes_> ansyeb, well i have seen many complains about people with nvme on linux, maybe it would be better to have a sata ssd.
• 2788[18:09:34] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 2790[18:09:50] <somiaj> seems to have some fixes, STAT needs to be in AHCI and fastbook needs to be 'thorough'
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• 2792[18:10:07] <ansyeb> somiaj, SATA in AHCI?
• 2793[18:10:12] <ansyeb> whats a fastbook
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• 2795[18:10:28] <somiaj> fastboot
• 2796[18:10:30] <somiaj> read the link
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• 2798[18:10:53] <somiaj> also yea that laptop seems to be one I would not want linux on, not only does it have ssd chip it has optimus, two thigns I've had trouble with.
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• 2801[18:11:37] <diogenes_> i've got optimus too and it works flawlessly with nouveau, it can run all my games with wine and a decent performance.
• 2802[18:11:43] <ansyeb> ok. so for my last install all of the above was set like in that article
• 2803[18:11:58] <ansyeb> secure - off, fastbook - thorough, SATA -AHCI
• 2804[18:12:00] <ansyeb> and still the same
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• 2809[18:13:21] <ansyeb> fastboot is set like that by default. SATA I did set up manualy. and secure off was the first thing I did when entered the settings
• 2810[18:14:08] <somiaj> check acpi settings and various other settings.
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• 2812[18:14:51] <ansyeb> well, I did. speaking generally. maybe if you could be more precise on what else to check
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• 2822[18:22:37] <ansyeb> oh. actually wait a minute. I may not have tried to >install< the system with all these options like that in UEFI. maybe thats a chance
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• 2824[18:23:01] <ansyeb> maybe I have had them set up like that, but only tried to install in legacy support, via GRUB, MBR etc
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• 2831[18:24:56] <jmcnaught> UEFI mode seems like a safer bet on newer hardware than legacy mode.
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• 2833[18:25:07] <ansyeb> doing atm. will report soon
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• 2855[18:41:43] <dob1> hi, what's wrong with this systemd service?
• 2856[18:41:45] <dob1> replaced-url
• 2857[18:41:58] <ansyeb> shimx64, grubx64, mmx64, fbx64, which one to choose. after "this" install I can see those files in /EFI/debian/* under FSO file system
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• 2860[18:43:31] <ansyeb> @jmcnaught, @somiaj ?
• 2861[18:44:02] <jmcnaught> dob1: get rid of ExecStop=killall znc, systemd knows how to kill processes without that
• 2862[18:44:16] <dob1> jmcnaught, how?
• 2863[18:44:27] <dob1> I am not saving any pid
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• 2866[18:45:05] <jmcnaught> dob1: systemd keeps track of all processes for a service unit in a cgroup. Look at replaced-url
• 2867[18:45:26] <ratrace> dob1: because it's a Type=simple service, so systemd spawns it directly, and knows when that process ends.
• 2868[18:45:35] <dob1> jmcnaught, but it doesn't work even without the Execstop, on enable I get an useless Failed to enable unit: Invalid argument
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• 2873[18:46:26] <dob1> got the error, a typo on the last line too
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• 2880[18:47:40] <jmcnaught> ansyeb: what context are you making the choice?
• 2881[18:47:42] <dob1> sorry, closed the window by error
• 2882[18:47:46] <ansyeb> oh my f god. it worked with grubx6
• 2883[18:47:50] <ansyeb> booted into the system ..
• 2884[18:48:04] <ansyeb> jesus christ, our lord and savior
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• 2993[19:53:38] <ralpheeee> sudo systemctl stop/disable bluetooth.service however on reboot status shows as running / active
• 2994[19:54:22] <ralpheeee> how can disable bluetooth on boot up....i would like to manually turn it on and of when needed
• 2995[19:54:31] <ratrace> ralpheeee, something else must've started it; "disabled" state only means it won't start on its own; use "mask" if you want to block completely
• 2996[19:54:48] <ratrace> but ideally find what is starting it; NetworkManager?; and fix that
• 2997[19:55:48] <ralpheeee> ratrace:dont have nm (using iwd) but i do have tlp
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• 2999[19:56:08] <Guest3391> mask bluetooth service
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• 3001[19:56:54] <ralpheeee> if i mask BT i just need to manually start it or do i have to unmask and then startt
• 3002[19:57:27] * ralpheeee suppose i should ask tlp crew
• 3003[19:57:30] <ratrace> you would have to unmask it i think
• 3004[19:58:21] <ralpheeee> how can confirm what is initiating the start up of BT?
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• 3010[19:59:39] <ratrace> ralpheeee: i don't know otoh; would need to google for it
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• 3012[19:59:52] <diogenes_> ralpheeee, ls /etc/xdg/autostart
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• 3016[20:00:58] <ralpheeee> diogenes_:nothing about BT there mpd,pluseaudio,user-dirs
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• 3020[20:01:58] <diogenes_> ralpheeee, try: chmod -x /etc/init.d/bluetooth
• 3021[20:02:56] <ratrace> wouldn't matter; systemd ignores sysv init scripts if there's a .service unit and there is
• 3022[20:03:19] <ralpheeee> its already executable for all users
• 3023[20:03:20] <xbow> systemclt disable <insertservicehere>
• 3024[20:03:28] <xbow> systemctl
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• 3026[20:03:57] <diogenes_> then: systemctl disable bluetooth and make sure you see the message: removing symlink....
• 3027[20:04:23] <ratrace> that won't help if something else is starting it; "disable" only affects services starting on their own
• 3028[20:04:48] <ralpheeee> ratrace:exactly....back to the root of issue
• 3029[20:04:52] <jmcnaught> could try 'systemctl --reverse list-dependencies bluetooth.service'
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• 3031[20:04:58] <ratrace> ralpheeee: did you mask it?
• 3032[20:05:09] <ralpheeee> ratrace: no what for...
• 3033[20:05:19] <ratrace> ralpheeee: i understood you wanted to prevent it from running
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• 3036[20:05:57] <ralpheeee> ratrace: understand the logic....but its not really solving the root issue...the unmasking & then starting service manually is pita
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• 3041[20:06:20] <ralpheeee> should just be start stop service....
• 3042[20:06:25] <ratrace> ralpheeee: i wasn't sure that's the case; did you try it?
• 3043[20:06:54] <ralpheeee> will have a look <t tlp on github...convinced tlp is the root cause...but would like to confirm this 1st
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• 3050[20:12:33] <ralpheeee> ok think a bug fix was committed will install tlp from sid
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• 3052[20:12:43] <jhutchins_wk> ralpheeee: Sript it.
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• 3054[20:12:51] <jhutchins_wk> Script
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• 3056[20:13:29] <ralpheeee> need to reboot...brb
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• 3070[20:17:39] <ralpheeee> yeah problem solve now...thxs guys
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• 3086[20:28:21] <stryker> Hello, guys! How are you? Is it possible to use Google Authenticator on Debian instead of Android? If so, how do I do?
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• 3092[20:30:38] <roflbot> stryker: you could use the google chrome addon maybe? if that is what you need
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• 3123[20:51:11] <bouba> hi, i need driver for tptink ac600 t2uh v2.0
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• 3133[21:00:14] <ansyeb> so, I prepared a l2tp vpn config file in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/filename. its correct, it works on other peoples systems(not sure which distros exactly). I'm on debian 10. trying to 'nmcli connection up NAME --ask' returns "unknown connection". and indeed I cannot see the connection in like 'nmcli con show' even after systemctl restart
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• 3139[21:03:16] <userbuster> boa tarde
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• 3141[21:03:51] <jhutchins_wk> !pt
• 3142[21:03:51] <dpkg> Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
• 3143[21:03:52] <greycat> snake afternoon to you, too
• 3144[21:04:54] <karlpinc> ansyeb: I don't suppose network manager logs anything? That'd be the place to look. (Also, l2tp FYI, in and of itself, is not a VPN.)
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• 3150[21:06:36] <karlpinc> ansyeb: You might best be served by telling us what you are really trying to accomplish. (Something like openvpn, stunnel, or ssh might be simpler.)
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• 3154[21:07:29] <ansyeb> already fixed. the file needed to be 600 precisely. not even like 644 works
• 3155[21:07:43] <ansyeb> and then 'nmcli con reload'
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• 3248[21:59:25] <tommaso_> Hi all, I am trying to follow this replaced-url
• 3249[22:00:01] <tommaso_> but I get stuck when running 'find-dbgsym-packages' as apparently the 'debian-goodies' package does not contain such command :\
• 3250[22:00:26] <tommaso_> mmmmh.. help?
• 3251[22:00:29] <greycat> are you on buster, or some older release?
• 3252[22:00:46] <somiaj> I think you have to add a new repo for the dbgsym packages, then just install packagename-dbgsym
• 3253[22:01:16] <tommaso_> buster
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• 3255[22:01:35] <somiaj> ahh the wiki mentions the repo to add
• 3256[22:01:45] <tommaso_> I did add the apt entry for dgb sym ..
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• 3260[22:02:24] <somiaj> well if you know the package name that controls the binary you can skip the find-dbgsym-packages part
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• 3262[22:02:41] <somiaj> you can also use dpkg -S to get it, though unsure why it isn't working.
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• 3265[22:03:15] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 3266[22:03:45] <greycat> I asked judd and judd also believed the file is in that package.
• 3267[22:03:51] <tommaso_> I have version 0.69.1
• 3268[22:03:58] <greycat> ,v debian-goodies
• 3269[22:03:59] <judd> Package: debian-goodies on amd64 -- jessie: 0.63; stretch: 0.69.1; bullseye: 0.84; buster: 0.84; sid: 0.84
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• 3271[22:04:03] <somiaj> that is not the buster version
• 3272[22:04:06] <greycat> that is not the bu...
• 3273[22:04:13] <tommaso_> lol
• 3274[22:04:28] <tommaso_> anyway dpkg -S worked well
• 3275[22:04:33] <tommaso_> thx
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• 3280[22:06:20] <tommaso_> how to upgrade from stretch to buster?
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• 3282[22:06:38] <greycat> dpkg, stretch->buster
• 3283[22:06:38] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
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• 3293[22:11:19] <zenix_2k2> guys a bit help pls, so i was having this error when i do "sudo apt-get update" --> replaced-url
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• 3297[22:11:31] * greycat has a guess...
• 3298[22:11:41] <gigirock> hi all
• 3299[22:11:42] <zenix_2k2> and i know i added in a few keys which are not verified but how could i remove em
• 3300[22:11:45] <zenix_2k2> hello
• 3301[22:12:01] <greycat> Nope, wasn't my guess. This is full of Ubunut PPAs.
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• 3305[22:12:22] <greycat> !ppa
• 3306[22:12:22] <dpkg> [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see replaced-url
• 3307[22:13:07] <greycat> (my guess was "apt suite changed")
• 3308[22:13:09] <jhutchins_wk> zenix_2k2: Remove the ppa entries. We don't support ppas, and if they break your system you get to keep all the pices. You might get somewhere by contacting the maintainers of the ppa.
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• 3311[22:13:53] <jhutchins_wk> zenix_2k2: Since ppas are mostly meant for Ubuntu, there's a good chance installing them will break your system, or at best fail to install.
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• 3313[22:14:39] <zenix_2k2> Hm so how could i remove those keys ?
• 3314[22:14:44] <zenix_2k2> and they are GPG keys i think
• 3315[22:15:02] <gigirock> after a complete Buster installation using live version and using "Installer" , the installation happens but the grub overwrite a previous Clover booter , but mainly i cannot access the /EFI directory on the /boot partition dir ..... what is the way to access there ?
• 3316[22:15:02] <coruja> remove the ppa entries in your sources.list
• 3317[22:15:02] <greycat> If you remove the PPAs from your sources, the keys will stop mattering.
• 3318[22:15:13] <coruja> then apt update again
• 3319[22:15:31] <zenix_2k2> ok
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• 3324[22:18:39] <coruja> and adding third-party repos to sources.list is strongly not recommended as it always may break things - if a package is urgently needed, there are other and safer ways to install
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• 3328[22:19:17] <greycat> Alternative viewpoint, adding third-party repositories should be done *sparingly*, with caution and only when they are quite well trusted.
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• 3332[22:20:01] <jhutchins_wk> They should also explicity state that the packages work with Debian.
• 3333[22:20:26] <zenix_2k2> well i tried to remove things with "ubuntu" involved inside sources.list
• 3334[22:20:29] <zenix_2k2> still the same error
• 3335[22:20:37] <greycat> there's also /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
• 3336[22:20:47] <zenix_2k2> yes, that also
• 3337[22:22:28] <zenix_2k2> Oh wait nvm, i realize i didn't remove all :P
• 3338[22:22:39] <jhutchins_wk> Shouldn't be hard to match the ppas in the error message with the sources.list entries.
• 3339[22:22:54] <greycat> I'm extra worried by "there were so many that I missed some".
• 3340[22:23:19] <jhutchins_wk> zenix_2k2: We're recommending removing anything except official debian sources.
• 3341[22:23:27] <karlpinc> zenix_2k2: 'apt-key' is used to remove keys.
• 3342[22:23:42] <zenix_2k2> well ok then
• 3343[22:23:46] <zenix_2k2> it works now thk :P
• 3344[22:23:54] <jhutchins_wk> !buster sources-list
• 3345[22:23:59] <jhutchins_wk> !buster sources.list
• 3346[22:23:59] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 3347[22:24:08] <coruja> greycat, i said it this strictly as i think of non-advanced users first
• 3348[22:24:10] <jhutchins_wk> zenix_2k2: That's all you need.
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• 3351[22:24:43] <karlpinc> !tell gigirock about errors
• 3352[22:24:47] <zenix_2k2> excuse me but "buster" ?
• 3353[22:25:00] <greycat> !buster
• 3354[22:25:01] <dpkg> Buster is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06. "Buster" is Andy's pet Dachsund in Toy Story, see replaced-url
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• 3356[22:25:16] <zenix_2k2> oh ok then
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• 3365[22:32:33] <zenix_2k2> also wait..."Andy's pet Dashsund" ?
• 3366[22:32:44] <zenix_2k2> that's a realistic... example .-.
• 3367[22:33:03] <greycat> All the Debian release names are characters from the Toy Story movies.
• 3368[22:33:10] <greycat> !release history
• 3369[22:33:10] <dpkg> Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17). Next: Buster. replaced-url
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• 3371[22:34:27] <zenix_2k2> that's is a fun interest that the founder of Debian has
• 3372[22:35:11] <dvs> wait? the first release didn't have a nickname?
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• 3374[22:35:30] <greycat> dpkg, release history =~ s/. Next: Buster/, Buster (10; 2019-07-06). Next: Bullseye/
• 3375[22:35:30] <dpkg> greycat: OK
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• 3377[22:35:36] <greycat> !debian 1.0
• 3378[22:35:36] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, debian 1.0 is a mistake by InfoMagic. They released an unstable version of Debian as 1.0. Google groups archives the posting by Bruce Perens announcing this at replaced-url
• 3379[22:36:17] <greycat> (Notice also the "pixar.com" in the archive URL.)
• 3380[22:36:18] <zenix_2k2> somehow it gets all of these weird relations with toy story :P
• 3381[22:37:34] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 3384[22:39:12] <zenix_2k2> Oh, ok
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• 3398[22:49:21] <Mathisen> am i just dumb or is gitlab no suporting buster yet ?
• 3399[22:49:26] <Mathisen> not*
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• 3407[22:54:52] <jhutchins_wk> Mathisen: WHat do you mean by supporting?
• 3408[22:54:57] <jhutchins_wk> ,v gitlab
• 3409[22:55:00] <judd> Package: gitlab on amd64 -- stretch-backports/contrib: 11.4.9+dfsg-2~bpo9+1; sid/contrib: 11.8.10+dfsg-1; experimental/contrib: 11.10.8+dfsg-1
• 3410[22:55:26] <greycat> an interesting pedigree there
• 3411[22:55:40] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, not in buster but backported to stretch.
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• 3415[22:56:21] <Mathisen> yeah, i gues
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• 3417[22:57:06] <Mathisen> yeah, i guess gogs is my alternative for a web interface then ?
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• 3419[22:57:45] <Mathisen> i want some features like web based uppload and things, so cgit and such are a bit to lightweigh
• 3420[22:58:10] <greycat> maybe consider using upstream instead of trying to find a package of it
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• 3426[23:01:44] <Mathisen> greycat, i kinda feel dumb here but i cant seem to find it. mind sharing url ? for the repo or something i cant find it
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• 3431[23:04:05] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 3433[23:05:07] <Mathisen> im not that dumb... :)
• 3434[23:05:12] <Mathisen> anyway i found it replaced-url
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• 3441[23:12:21] <Mathisen> diffrent question why does it exist 2 versions of certbot ? just setup a apache2 service and the regular certbot package from repo does not work with apache2 but python-certbot-apache does.
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• 3446[23:15:26] <jmcnaught> Mathisen: python-certbot-apache is a transition package, it contains nothing, on buster at least.
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• 3450[23:15:50] <Mathisen> that is strange as i tried first with just certbot
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• 3453[23:16:17] <Mathisen> using buster
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• 3456[23:17:29] <jmcnaught> Mathisen: ahh… that package would have installed the python3 version: python3-certbot-apache
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• 3459[23:18:41] <Mathisen> ok
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