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6[00:03:08] <dvs> Hi bafck butt! ;-P
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9[00:04:16] <Terrell> dvs funny
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14[00:10:50] <treefrob> hi Folks. I'm wondering when a
reboot is necessary or a good idea after some packages have been
updated. Obviously, after a kernel update. Are there other packages
or classes of packages whose update dictate a reboot?
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17[00:12:13] <dvs> treefrob, maybe after a libc or glibc update
but that's about it.
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19[00:13:08] <treefrob> dvs, because a reboot is simpler that
restarting all the services with programs that depend on g/libc?
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20[00:13:41] <dvs> treefrob, Yes, which is about almost every
program.
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22[00:15:04] <treefrob> but if my concern is chiefly security,
I guess it's enough after a g/libc update to only restart sshd,
assuming the only open [local] port is for sshd
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32[00:26:52] <mq> if somebody remembers my issue from before: i
am pretty sure i was right about the ssh-authentication-guess
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35[00:28:35] <dvs> treefrob, I'd be afraid that the other
programs that depend on ssh might crash because it wasn't
restarted.
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39[00:31:15] <coruja> ,i needrestart
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40[00:31:16] <judd> Package needrestart (admin, optional) in
buster/amd64: check which daemons need to be restarted after library
upgrades. Version: 3.4-5; Size: 56.0k; Installed: 273k; Homepage:
replaced-url
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44[00:35:14] <mq> i have this issue: i can run ssh
user@<ip> echo bla in terminal successfully. I can call up a
script doing the same thing successfully. But when i set up a unit
file that calls the script it fails with permission denied
(publickey).
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49[00:40:11] <coruja> does the unit file let call the script by
the correct user?
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50[00:41:13] <mq> coruja that's what i don't know.
How do i set the user?
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51[00:41:54] <coruja> 'User=<user>' in the unit
file's service section
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53[00:43:10] <mq> coruja that's helpfull. Thanks.
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70[00:51:16] <mq> Thanks, that did it
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89[01:10:44] <ayekat> rather than a system-wide service,
I'd use a user service, though
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115[01:49:36] <aoibhecozy> anyone have any luck installing
firmware for the 3945ABG? i downloaded the thing from
ipw3945.sourceforge and im struggling to understand how to install
it. there used to be a package call firmware-b43-installer but sadly
its no longer where it once was
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116[01:52:32] <aoibhecozy> actually i think i can do this, i
accidentally glossed over its deprecation notice. im now trying to
install iwlwifi. i think this should work.
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117[01:53:31] <dvs> aoibhecozy, yeah, that doesnt sound like a
Broadcom chipset
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119[01:55:11] <aoibhecozy> iwlwifi does indeed work. dvs its an
intel chip, i had been going off of bad info from someone with a
different latitude d820 from mine.
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120[01:55:19] <aoibhecozy> i wrongly assumed theyd be the same
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121[01:55:31] <dvs> ,v firmware-iwlwifi
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122[01:55:33] <judd> Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 --
jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1;
stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free:
20190114-1~bpo9+2; bullseye/non-free: 20190114-1; buster/non-free:
20190114-1; sid/non-free: 20190502-1
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128[02:00:41] <crimson_king> my debian system is missing the
adduser command. Which package gives it?
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129[02:00:47] <crimson_king> debian buster 10
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132[02:01:51] <dvs> ,v adduser
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133[02:01:52] <judd> Package: adduser on amd64 -- jessie:
3.113+nmu3; stretch: 3.115; bullseye: 3.118; buster: 3.118; sid:
3.118
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138[02:04:13] <crimson_king> it's already installed.
Running `adduser` says `command not found`
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141[02:05:03] <crimson_king> I just installed Debian 10 using
netinstall, got into my user, escalated to root to make the initial
settings, and adduser is not present.
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142[02:05:07] <LtL> crimson_king: /usr/sbin/adduser on buster
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143[02:06:01] <crimson_king> LtL, that's it, thanks. Why
isn't it in the PATH?
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145[02:06:29] <humbot> not this again
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146[02:06:35] <LtL> crimson_king: you probably became root
wrong, use 'su -'
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147[02:06:56] <crimson_king> su - ok, will try
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148[02:07:05] <dvs> humbot, what?
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150[02:07:34] <LtL> dvs: this happens frequently
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151[02:07:34] <crimson_king> yes, that works.
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152[02:07:35] <humbot> sorry, deja lu, the PATH issue
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153[02:08:05] <dvs> hmmmm... hasn't happened to me (that I
know of)
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157[02:12:39] <LtL> dvs: you're just special ;)
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158[02:12:46] <dvs> I know
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159[02:12:49] * dvs blushes
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160[02:13:05] <Tom-_> My DNS servers and internal IP addresses
can leak over WebRTC? holy crap
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165[02:15:32] <LtL> crimson_king: be aware, your pwd changes
using that method.
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166[02:16:47] <crimson_king> LtL, yes, just saw it
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168[02:20:05] <Tom-_> internal IP address anyway, the DNS
servers are taken from somewhere else
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169[02:20:08] <v3x3d> crimson_king: "And smiles as the
puppets dance, in the..."
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174[02:20:29] <crimson_king> court of the crimson kiiiing...
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176[02:20:44] <v3x3d> Da... daaaaaa... da... da!
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177[02:21:07] <v3x3d> Hell yeah dude.
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178[02:21:14] <v3x3d> Sorry, I hadda do it.
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180[02:24:14] <v3x3d> Be well O' King of Crimson.
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185[02:36:00] <Tom-_> option "Prevent WebRTC from leaking
local IP addresses" in Ublock Origin is supposed to help
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188[02:37:07] <Tom-_> i guess i should possibly get into the
habit of recommending Ublock Origin to everyone
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192[02:37:51] <mohammad-ghasemi> Hello! I set the root password
after the installation. But I still can't login as root.
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194[02:39:57] <LtL> mohammad-ghasemi: you don't want to
login as root from the login screen, i'm not sure if
that's even allowed. What exactly are you trying to do?
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195[02:40:52] <LtL> mohammad-ghasemi: did you create a user
during installation?
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199[02:42:15] <mohammad-ghasemi> LtL, yes I created a user, but
didn't set the root password. I want to be able to login as
root also.
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200[02:42:40] <LtL> mohammad-ghasemi: and you have a desktop
installed?
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201[02:43:12] <LtL> mohammad-ghasemi: login as user, then become
root when necessary
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202[02:43:57] <LtL> mohammad-ghasemi: you do not want to start X
as root.
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203[02:44:30] <somiaj> your user shoudl be in the sudo group, so
you can become root with 'sudo -l', though listen to LtL,
you dont' want to do most things as root, and use sudo to run
certain thigns as root.
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204[02:44:57] <somiaj> also you should explain how you set the
root password, and how you are logging in as root.
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205[02:44:58] <mohammad-ghasemi> LtL yes, desktop is installed.
But I can't become root since the password does not work. Even
in tty1.
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208[02:47:30] <LtL> mohammad-ghasemi: how do you try to become
root? Are you sure the password is correct? What did you type to set
root's passwd?
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209[02:48:00] <mohammad-ghasemi> somiaj, LtL I set the password
by adding init=/bin/bash after the kernel option in grub menu. Then
Hit f10 to boot only with command line. Then ran "Mount -o
remount, rw /" and "mount -o remount, rw /" and then
set the password using passwd command.
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210[02:48:35] <mohammad-ghasemi> I set the root password as
"root".
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211[02:48:46] <LtL> mohammad-ghasemi: I don't think it
worked.
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212[02:48:51] <LtL> !ifrp
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213[02:48:51] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit
the kernel setting in the grub command line (add
'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your
root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4)
'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6)
'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1)
'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift
while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux
init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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214[02:49:08] <LtL> mohammad-ghasemi: use the above method.
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215[02:49:25] <mohammad-ghasemi> LtL, okay, Thank you!
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218[02:53:39] <LtL> mohammad-ghasemi: still there? what error
did you get?
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219[02:54:28] <somiaj> this should not be needed, if you
didn't set a root password as the install just use sudo.
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220[02:55:09] <somiaj> when running as your user goto a teriman
and type 'groups', if in the sudo group you should be able
to use sudo to become root
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221[02:55:25] <LtL> somiaj: he said he set root's password
-after- the install.
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222[02:56:10] <somiaj> sure, I was just pointing out they should
have sudo primissions and should be able to do it much easier than
they tried.
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225[02:56:48] <LtL> somiaj: this is true, i should have told him
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226[02:57:07] <mohammad-ghasemi> LtL, Yes, I'm writing down
the method :-). But another question. at the end of the method for
grub it says (exec /sbin/init should work). I don't know what
does it mean. Work for what?
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227[02:57:11] <LtL> shouldn't do any harm, i hope
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229[02:57:51] <LtL> mohammad-ghasemi: wait a second, what
message did you get trying to become root?
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230[02:58:36] <mohammad-ghasemi> LtL, something like.
Authentication failure
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231[02:58:37] <somiaj> I also think when the installer
dosen't set up a root account, it also disables the login, so
just setting the password won't be enough, but I'd have to
look up the details.
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232[02:59:04] <LtL> mohammad-ghasemi: type groups, are you in
the sudo group?
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234[02:59:53] <mohammad-ghasemi> LtL, yes
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236[03:01:08] <somiaj> mohammad-ghasemi: type 'sudo
-l' enter in your normal users password, and you'll become
root.
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237[03:01:20] <LtL> mohammad-ghasemi: you can have root power
using 'sudo -l' or possibly 'sudo passwd root'
but it will ask for root's original pass i believe, you can
try.
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239[03:02:42] <LtL> I haven't used the latest installer,
did they ubuntize it or something?
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240[03:02:44] <somiaj> LtL: it won't, sudo will ask for the
users password, and then passwd will just run as root, requring no
more authenticiation
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241[03:02:54] <somiaj> LtL: it has been this way since either
jessie or stretch
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243[03:03:24] <ghormoon> hi, was there some cryptsetup
suspend/restore automagic added on debian 10? i did a dist upgrade
and now it waits long until i get the enter root pwd/ctrl-D to boot
(and i have one of those random-key-on-boot swap devices)
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245[03:03:34] <somiaj> if you create a root password during the
install, sudo is not installed and you become root using 'su
-', if you don't create a root password, the root account
password login is disabled, sudo is installed and the user the
isntaller you create is added to the sudo group.
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246[03:04:09] <LtL> somiaj: yes, okay. i always set root's
password.
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247[03:04:31] <mohammad-ghasemi> somiaj, LtL Thank you very
much. It seems I could change the root password using the second
method easily.
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248[03:04:43] <LtL> mohammad-ghasemi: super
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249[03:04:51] <somiaj> ghormoon: sounds like you might have low
entropy, does moving the mouse during boot speed it up.
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250[03:05:14] <mohammad-ghasemi> LtL, somiaj yeeeeeeeeessss, it
worked.
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251[03:05:24] <somiaj> mohammad-ghasemi: you method should have
worked in theory, maybe something subtle didn't work, but since
you have sudo access no need to use that method.
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253[03:05:33] <ghormoon> there's no mouse. and it's
some service timeout, the root pw i mean maintenance mode, not
normal login
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255[03:05:46] <ghormoon> update-initramfs spits cryptsetup:
WARNING: Resume target cryptswap uses a key file which might or
might not be related
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256[03:06:14] <somiaj> ghormoon: hmm, so it sounds like it is
failing to mount some cryptswap and is thus droping you to the
emergency shell
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257[03:06:22] <ghormoon> yup
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258[03:06:31] <somiaj> I know there was some changes with
encryption in buster (read the release notes), but I don't know
enough details
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259[03:06:32] <ghormoon> it boots with ctrl-D though
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260[03:06:49] <mohammad-ghasemi> somiaj, LtL sudo rocks!
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261[03:06:51] <somiaj> but read the release notes and see what
it says about the changes in encrypted file systems.
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262[03:06:59] <nt0> how do i allow a user to create tun devices
via networkmanager without adding it to the netdev group? is there
some sort of kwallet workaround (using KDE)?
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263[03:07:21] <ghormoon> and the device is open, swap working.
maybe it's another issue
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264[03:07:33] <somiaj> nt0: why don't you want to add the
user to the netdev group (if that works)?
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265[03:07:44] <somiaj> ghormoon: you may have to look through
the logs a bit more
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266[03:07:57] <ghormoon> hm .... Jul 15 02:54:16 42-gzfs
systemd[1]: cryptsetup.target: Job
systemd-cryptsetup@cryptswap.service/start deleted to break ordering
cycle starting with cryptsetup.target/start
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269[03:09:00] <ghormoon> Jul 15 02:54:07 42-gzfs systemd[1]:
Timed out waiting for device
/dev/disk/by-uuid/a0c1c62c-d103-446f-8ae4-4983bcf9625e. ---- i guess
this. no idea why it waits for it though, that's /boot, it
boots from it and it's mounted after
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270[03:09:07] <nt0> somiaj: if that is the typical solution then
i will do that. just trying to maintain as few permissions as
possible. often things like gnome-keyring and kwallet allow users in
sudo to use escalated privileges for certain gui programs, no?
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271[03:09:58] <mohammad-ghasemi> is it dangerous to use a week
password for the root if I'm using the computer only as
desktop?
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273[03:10:06] <mohammad-ghasemi> *weak
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274[03:10:19] <LtL> nt0: gksu for gui apps
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275[03:10:31] <somiaj> nt0: I don't keep up with all these
things, I just use sudo/root when I need to. I think policykit is
the main thing these days to allow escilate of root privlages.
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276[03:10:36] <somiaj> ,v gksu
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277[03:10:37] <judd> Package: gksu on amd64 -- jessie: 2.0.2-9;
stretch: 2.0.2-9+b1
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278[03:10:54] <somiaj> LtL: that has been removed due to various
reasons, my understanding is policykit is the freedesktop.org method
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279[03:10:56] <ghormoon> mohammad-ghasemi: if there's
anything untrusted getting to run under a user, it might just as
well try to guess it and get root priviledges ...
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280[03:11:07] <LtL> ,v gksudo
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281[03:11:09] <judd> No package named 'gksudo' was
found in amd64.
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282[03:11:14] <LtL> okay
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283[03:11:35] <mohammad-ghasemi> ghormoon, yes, thank-you!
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284[03:11:41] <somiaj> LtL: its hard to keep up with all these
changes...
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285[03:11:46] <LtL> somiaj: thank you, i was unaware of that.
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286[03:12:15] <somiaj> nt0: I'm kind apartly surprised
networkmanger needs permissions to do this, but maybe it is a saftey
net, since networkmanager uses a root service to do its bidding
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287[03:12:30] <somiaj> nt0: so maybe the netdev is a group check
networkmanager uses to limit what a user can do with it.
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288[03:12:52] <LtL> i use network-manager no root needed
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290[03:13:28] <nt0> somiaj: when i tried to run openvpn <ovpn
file> in the terminal i was told i didn't have permission to
create a tun device. when i sudid the same command it worked fine
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291[03:13:31] <somiaj> LtL: even to create tunnels?
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292[03:13:36] <nt0> LtL: are you in the netdev group?
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293[03:14:09] <LtL> inch: yes i am in netdev
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294[03:14:12] <somiaj> nt0: oh this might be the issue, openvpn
isn't network manager, you'll probably need to install
some openvpn network manager plugin that allows you to connect to
this vpn via network manager.
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295[03:14:21] <LtL> oops, nt0 i am
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296[03:15:12] <somiaj> ,v network-manager-openvpn
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297[03:15:13] <judd> Package: network-manager-openvpn on amd64
-- jessie: 0.9.10.0-1; stretch: 1.2.8-2; stretch-backports:
1.8.10-1~bpo9+1; bullseye: 1.8.10-1; buster: 1.8.10-1; sid: 1.8.10-1
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298[03:15:32] <nt0> somiaj: that plugin is certainly installed.
i have a full kde desktop and i was able to import the configuration
file and a new connection is available under the "available
connections" subsection
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299[03:15:34] <somiaj> nt0: ^^ have you tried using that plugin
for network manager so you can actually use it to manage your vpn,
and not just run openvpn from the command line.
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300[03:16:02] <somiaj> but just running openvpn from the command
line wont' work, youll have to use networkmanager (which will
escilate permissions for you)
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301[03:16:13] <nt0> somiaj: when i click "connect" to
attempt to start the imported vpn configuration nothing happens
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302[03:16:24] <LtL> I haven't needed to reconfigure network
manager since stretch release, so not sure what has changed
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303[03:16:28] <nt0> but networkmanager is definitely configured
to use vpns
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304[03:17:16] <somiaj> hmm, I wonder why networkmanger
isn't able to setup the openvpn connection then, but to me
running 'openvpn' from the command line is bypassing
networkmanger
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305[03:17:22] <somiaj> (which is why root was needed)
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306[03:17:27] <nt0> LtL: i'm running a kali vm with KDE. i
normally use gentoo and don't remember much about debian
configs and no next to nothing about networkmanager
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307[03:17:40] <somiaj> oh this is kali, not debian?
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308[03:17:49] <somiaj> !kali
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309[03:17:50] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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310[03:18:09] <somiaj> that could possibly be the problem right
there, kali is not designed to be a desktop and thus many things may
not work as expected
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311[03:18:18] <nt0> somiaj: yes, but all of the usual packages
are pulled directly from debians repos. this includes kde and
networkmanager
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312[03:18:30] <ghormoon> hm, rmeoving the /boot from fstap just
makes it fail on the next device (this time the swap)
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313[03:18:32] <nt0> somiaj: it is vanilla debian with extra
repos added.
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314[03:18:38] <somiaj> again, kali changes things, and often
makes things that should work in debian not work on kali, we do not
support kali for this reason.
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315[03:19:07] <ghormoon> oh, but it at least doesn't wait
for ctrl-d
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321[03:26:57] <nt0> somiaj: your advice was correct--i needed
the network-manager-openvpn plugin installed. i assumed that it had
been pulled in by KDE since KDE's network-manager tray applet
allowed me to import settings and configure. thanks
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324[03:27:59] <somiaj> please in the future respect #debian and
use kali or maybe ##linux support channels. (It would be nice to
have a debian-based channel for this, but alas none exist)
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326[03:28:29] <somiaj> but in summary, networkmanger is a daemon
running as root, so you need the right plugins to talk to the daemon
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327[03:29:58] <nt0> somiaj: aye. i only asked as the packages
that don't have anything to do with pentesting are identical to
those in debian's repo. you were able to help ;P
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329[03:30:18] <crimson_king> I'm writing a bug report at
TTY 2 with `reportbug` (X won't start). Will it allow me to
attach logs or do I have to paste the logs on the body of the
message right now?
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331[03:30:32] <nt0> i would never be lame enough to enter your
channel and start asking for help with metasploit or any other stuff
that is completely out of the debian wheelhouse.
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332[03:30:51] <crimson_king> I mean, will it ask me to attach
log files after I close the editor?
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334[03:32:21] <somiaj> crimson_king: it should give you the
option to attach files during the process
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335[03:32:41] <somiaj> but yes I think after you close the
editor, you can even have it just save the email and then copy that
into another email program to finish
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340[03:34:56] <crimson_king> somiaj, I'm still not clear on
how do you send a saved bug report... do you just paste the contents
on a "New email" and send it to a specific address?
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341[03:35:01] <ghormoon> i disabled some zfs-related services
that were in loop with systemd-cryptsetup@cryptswap.service and now
it just loops with itself. how? :D
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344[03:37:13] <crimson_king> somiaj, submit@bugs.debian.org,
that is... so I just send the saved message to this email?
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345[03:37:18] <LtL> crimson_king: install a TUI browser and
check here for formatting,
replaced-url
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346[03:37:44] <ghormoon> can i somehow print the dependency
tree?
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347[03:38:06] <ghormoon> it deletes totally random services it
seems ... Jul 15 03:33:40 42-gzfs systemd[1]:
systemd-cryptsetup@cryptswap.service: Job
systemd-random-seed.service/start deleted to break ordering cycle
starting with systemd-cryptsetup@cryptswap.service/start
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350[03:39:03] <LtL> crimson_king: I believe you first need to
configure /etc/reportbug.conf if you use reportbug
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351[03:39:14] <somiaj> crimson_king: yup
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353[03:39:50] <somiaj> well the first time will help configure
it for you, but you still need to be able to send mails out, I
personally use it to generate the report and copy/paste into gmail
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354[03:40:53] <LtL> somiaj: good advice, I used a MUA, but
thanks
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355[03:41:35] <LtL> crimson_king: if it goes through, you will
get a auto-reply in minutes
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359[03:45:28] <crimson_king> I was able to attach the logs and
send it through reportbug
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360[03:45:51] <crimson_king> The confirmation email came now.
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361[03:46:19] <LtL> crimson_king: thanks for contributing
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363[03:46:26] <crimson_king> thank you
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364[03:49:48] <crimson_king> I got 2 computers with different
hardware that won't reach the Display Manager, be it GDM or
LightDM. X server failure, it seems. GDM, in this case, complains
about not finding a valid framebuffer device.
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368[03:51:19] <crimson_king> I already tried to run `startx`
instead. X server fails to start.
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369[03:51:47] <ghormoon> hm, zfs vs cryptsetup, if i entirely
disable zfs.target and all zfs services, it at least boots
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370[03:52:03] <dvs> crimson_king, paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log to a
paste.debian.org
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371[03:53:08] <crimson_king> dvs, sorry, is there a way to
upload it when you don't have a GUI?
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373[03:53:20] <somiaj> ghormoon: you may want to wait until a
week day when there are more people around who might be able to help
diagnose your strange issue.
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374[03:53:21] <dvs> crimson_king, pastebinit
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375[03:53:26] <somiaj> ghormoon: do you actually use zfs?
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376[03:53:30] <crimson_king> ok
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377[03:54:24] <ghormoon> yes
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378[03:54:41] <ghormoon> but only for data pool and VMs, so i
can boot without that
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379[03:55:22] <ghormoon> oh, some of the zfs packages were not
updated because of zfsutils-linux vs zfsutils
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380[03:55:29] <ghormoon> i'll try to resolve that and boot
with zfs
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381[03:55:35] <crimson_king> dvs,
replaced-url
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382[03:56:07] <somiaj> ghormoon: or maybe purge then reinstall
zfs stuff, to get back to a working state.
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387[03:56:55] <somiaj> crimson_king: what video card do you
have? And have you installed firmware-amd-gpu?
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388[03:57:18] <dvs> crimson_king, I'm guessing you
don't have the firmware-amd-graphics packages installed
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389[03:57:22] <crimson_king> somiaj, RX 560 4GB, yes, I have
installed it and did a reboot after.
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391[03:57:31] <ghormoon> maybe. just scares me a bit from
upgrading a laptop which is zfs-root
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392[03:57:35] <somiaj> I wonder if the 560 is a bit new for the
4.19 kernel
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393[03:57:45] <crimson_king> it worked for Debian 9
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394[03:57:57] <crimson_king> After Debian 10 I was never able to
get it to work
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395[03:58:00] <ghormoon> btw with zfs.target disabled, i still
can import the zfs pools :D
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396[03:58:20] <somiaj> crimson_king: what is the output of
'dmesg | grep -i firmware', also that card should be using
amdgpu and radeon driver, so unsure why it is wanting to load the
radeon driver.
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397[03:59:54] <crimson_king> somiaj,
replaced-url
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398[03:59:57] <ghormoon> hm, but zfsutils is just a virtual,
should update normally
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400[04:00:24] <crimson_king> I double checked,
firmware-amd-graphics is installed.
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401[04:00:52] <somiaj> crimson_king: that error states that
amdgpu is failing to load the firmware, unsure why, maybe look at
more lines, or 'dmesg | grep -i amd' for me
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402[04:01:23] <somiaj> I don't know if you need to wait for
a newer 5.x kernel with firmware from buster-backports for that.
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403[04:01:55] <somiaj> also you might want the firmware-ralink
(I think that ineeded for th r8169) wired card, if you want to use
the wired card.
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406[04:02:22] <ghormoon> got few more errors left, which might
not be that important, but to make sure, idd you see those?
replaced-url
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407[04:02:42] <somiaj> the card doesn't seem that new which
makes me think 4.19 should support it, but I do not see why it is
not finding and loading the appropriate firmware.
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408[04:02:44] <crimson_king> somiaj, yeah, I noticed that
missing realtek firmware, that's new to me. I never had to
install it before, it just worked.
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409[04:02:58] <dvs> crimson_king, I don't see the 560 in
the list of supported cards in the firmware-amd-graphics package.
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410[04:03:04] <somiaj> sometimes firmware provides additinal
features and better support, but basic will work out of it.
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411[04:03:21] <crimson_king> somiaj, it worked fine with kernel
4.15 back when Ubuntu LTS had it.
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412[04:03:29] <crimson_king> 18.04 that is
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413[04:03:45] <ghormoon> but in the end, the core issue was
zfsutils being kept at old version while zfs itself was upgraded
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414[04:04:25] <ghormoon> apt-get didn't even try to upgrade
it though until i tried manually upgrading zfsutils-linux which made
it conflict so i tried rmeoving it
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415[04:04:29] <somiaj> dvs: woulnd't it be in the R500
cards
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416[04:04:59] <dvs> oh, I was looking for 560 specfiically
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417[04:05:00] <somiaj> crimson_king: well provide a bit more
output from that 'dmesg | grep -i amdgpu', but for some
reason or another the kernel/firmware provided by debian are not
detecting your card properly
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418[04:05:37] <somiaj> it could be a newer card with a different
pcid than is in the database, so thought it is supported it
isn't detected
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419[04:06:08] <crimson_king> somiaj,
replaced-url
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421[04:06:41] <crimson_king> somiaj, that is output from dmesg |
grep -i amd
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423[04:06:56] <somiaj> I don't even see an error bout not
finding firmware, just that it is required to be installed
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424[04:07:16] <somiaj> crimson_king: apt policy
firmware-amd-graphics (just to be complete)
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425[04:07:22] <aoibhecozy> hello friends i return, could anyone
assist me in installing opengl 3.3? a few sources online are saying
to check my graphics card drivers and update those, but i dont know
how to do either of those things
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426[04:07:41] <somiaj> crimson_king: can you go look at dmesg
and paste all lines around 1.809341 where amdgpu drive is being
talked about.
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428[04:08:16] <crimson_king> somiaj, ok, just a sec
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430[04:08:32] <crimson_king> somiaj, this is apt policy command:
replaced-url
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431[04:08:40] <somiaj> ahh maybe this is the issue, the firmware
is not prsent in the initramfs, anyone know how to check that to
verify?
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433[04:09:45] <dvs> or just rebuild it?
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434[04:09:51] <somiaj> crimson_king: lsinitramfs
/boot/initrd.img-<kernel version> -- lets see if the initramfs
is missing amdgpu firmware
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435[04:10:33] <somiaj> yea, might have to explicity state to
include it though
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436[04:12:04] <crimson_king> somiaj, it lists the module amdgpu
and amdgpu.ko
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437[04:12:17] <somiaj> crimson_king: but does it list the
firmware, /lib/firmawre/amdgpu
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438[04:12:42] <crimson_king> nothing like that
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439[04:12:48] <somiaj> that might be the problem.
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440[04:13:10] <crimson_king> should I try to rebuild the
initramfs?
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441[04:13:16] <somiaj> you could try to run
'update-initramfs' then lsinitramfs and check again
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442[04:13:20] <crimson_king> ok
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443[04:13:39] <dvs> -u -k all ?
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444[04:13:42] <somiaj> sorry update-initramfs -u
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445[04:13:53] <crimson_king> -u -k all is what I used
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446[04:14:03] <crimson_king> I remember from enabling TRIM
support for ssd hehe
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447[04:14:17] <dvs> and lsinitramfs?
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449[04:15:05] <crimson_king> ok, during the rebuilding, it kept
printing "Possible missing firmware
/lib/firmware/amdgpu/vega20_asd.bin for module amdgpu"
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450[04:15:19] <crimson_king> and many other lines referencing
slightly different paths, files
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451[04:15:28] <LtL> xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu maybe
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452[04:15:28] <crimson_king> but about the same amdgpu module
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454[04:15:54] <somiaj> that may or may not be the problem, I get
it to on some of my modules
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455[04:16:04] <somiaj> because it sometimes looks for multiple
firmware files and not all of them may be there
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456[04:16:22] <somiaj> anyways, did it put any
/lib/firmware/amggpu in your initramfs
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457[04:16:22] <crimson_king> It is installed already...
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459[04:16:31] <crimson_king> let me check
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460[04:17:13] <crimson_king> Now I have multiple lines like
"usr/lib/firmware/amdgpu" and also
/usr/lib/firmware/radeon
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461[04:17:20] <crimson_king> multiple lines that were not there
before.
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462[04:17:30] <crimson_king> So I gotta try again to start GDM
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463[04:17:31] <somiaj> try to reboot and see if the firwmare is
now abailble when loading the module
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464[04:17:40] <somiaj> na this will see if it works at boot
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465[04:17:43] <somiaj> if you want to test it now just run
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466[04:17:51] <somiaj> 'mopdorbe -r amdgpu' then
'modprobe amdgpu'
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468[04:18:20] <crimson_king> It worked :O
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470[04:18:34] <somiaj> yea, for some reason when you installed
the firmare it didn't update your initramfs
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471[04:18:34] <crimson_king> I'm at the desktop now.
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473[04:19:04] <somiaj> might want to close the bugreport (unless
you can repduce the situtaions that explain why you the firwamre
wasn't added to initramfs automatically)
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474[04:19:25] <dvs> explain the problem.
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475[04:19:30] <dvs> in the report
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476[04:19:40] <crimson_king> I will add what we discovered here
to the bug report
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477[04:20:07] <crimson_king> Thanks for the help
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482[04:22:42] <dvs> np
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501[04:39:56] <Schyken> So, if I enable compression for BTRFS in
my FSTAB for root, will this automagically apply to all existing
stuff on the filesystem or would I need to have this set up from the
start?
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502[04:40:51] <Schyken> I know BTRFS can have compression
methods and levels vary from file to file, which leads me to believe
that mounting it with compression options won't change existing
files that are not compressed
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522[04:47:28] <olf-folks> i only have a dummy output for my
sound, and here is this
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533[04:49:30] <dvs> another timidity-daemon victim?
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538[04:49:57] <jmcnaught> olf-folks: does 'aplay -l'
list your soundcard?
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540[04:50:39] <olf-folks> yes
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541[04:51:10] <jmcnaught> !timidity pulseaudio
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542[04:51:10] <dpkg> Some users have had <timidity>
blocking access to their sound card, resulting in <pulseaudio>
only seeing a dummy output. Check if timidity is running with
'systemctl status timidity' and stop/disable with
'systemctl stop timidity ; systemctl disable timidity'
and/or remove the timidity-daemon package.
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544[04:51:20] <jmcnaught> olf-folks: ^ check that, a few people
have had this problem
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545[04:51:30] <olf-folks> thanks
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546[04:51:37] <ghormoon> tried in the end upgrading the laptop.
update-initramfs -u spits out
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558[04:59:03] <olf-folks> thanks jmcnaught stoping timidity
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559[04:59:19] <dvs> holy crap! another one???
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577[05:11:24] <Casper26> anyone else been able to get mugshot
installed on Debian buster xfce to edit profiles?
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578[05:12:09] <Unit193> mugshot isn't in Buster, a RC bug
was fixed a little too late so it ended up getting removed.
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581[05:13:40] <Schyken> This might be of use if Mugshot is
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583[05:14:08] <Schyken> I recommend not just downloading the
.deb and considering whether or not it's absolutely necessary
before adding it via the repo.
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584[05:14:17] <Casper26> what should be used in it's place?
or will it be fixed later?
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587[05:14:34] <somiaj> it might be provided in buster-backports,
but depends on the matainer
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588[05:14:38] <somiaj> it won't be added to buster later
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589[05:14:47] <somiaj> (since buster is frozen)
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593[05:16:24] <Casper26> so will xfce remove or replace the
functionality or will it just stay broken?
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595[05:16:57] <Unit193> somiaj: "Unlikely"
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596[05:17:10] <ksk> Casper26: that is not really how Debian
works.
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597[05:17:55] <Casper26> ksk: ?
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600[05:19:04] <Unit193> mugshot isn't even technically a
part of Xfce.
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601[05:19:21] <ksk> Just because Package A does not meet the
quality criteria for a new release, it does not mean a package B
will jump in to fill in the gap
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602[05:19:24] <somiaj> and each thing it configures can be done
with other tools.
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603[05:20:00] <Casper26> what is a good alternative?
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604[05:20:17] <Unit193> That being said, the version in Bullseye
would be compatible with Buster right now, though we can't
really advocate you grab it. :3
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605[05:20:29] <somiaj> might just have to modify each thing
manually, and just modify that
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606[05:20:36] <somiaj> what is it you really want to change?
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607[05:21:06] * ksk reads about ~/.face
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608[05:22:00] <Casper26> a gui to edit add and remove users?
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613[05:23:11] <ksk> You do actually use these "First Name,
Adress" fields etc? Interesting.
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614[05:23:14] <Unit193> That's not what mugshot does, it
changes details about users.
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615[05:24:07] <ksk> Casper26: I would think every "full
sized" desktop would have some user-managment included? But I
dont know first hand.
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621[05:27:40] <magic_ninja> I have to say, the linux desktop has
straight up become amazing.
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622[05:27:58] <magic_ninja> This will have to be remembered as
some of the golden-years.
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630[05:36:15] <Unit193> ksk: In a few desktops, it's common
to have the older gnome-system-tools for that.
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631[05:37:18] <friendofafriend> I've got a Buster
installation running Linux-KVM. They're set to start with the
host booting. When the host boots, they're in status
"Shutoff (Failed)", when I start them manually they run
fine. Where is the failure reported?
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633[05:37:46] <friendofafriend> Sorry, "they're"
being the guests.
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637[05:38:25] <ghormoon> "figured' out the cryptsetup
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639[05:38:51] <ghormoon> btw who runs 10 already, do you have
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642[05:40:38] <friendofafriend> Oh, I see, it's off in
/var/log. I'm having to wait a very long time for Buster to
bring up SSHd at boot, and I wasn't having that problem with
Stretch on the same hardware.
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643[05:40:55] <friendofafriend> Is anybody else waiting a very
long time for SSHd to start under Buster?
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646[05:42:25] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend:
replaced-url
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647[05:43:02] <friendofafriend> So, this is systemd's
fault.
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648[05:43:16] <magic_ninja> ghormoon, it appears so
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649[05:43:22] <ghormoon> also nm somewhow stopped autoconnecting
to hidden wifi
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651[05:43:56] <ghormoon> magic_ninja: which one? :)
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653[05:44:25] <magic_ninja> X0
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654[05:44:46] <magic_ninja> I'm guess that is the handle
for display 0
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655[05:44:58] <friendofafriend> jmcnaught: What's the best
way to lobotimize whatever systemd is doing that's causing this
problem? "[P]ing the system on the network continuously as this
adds entropy to the randomness pool" is completely ridiculous.
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656[05:45:40] <friendofafriend> And the idea that a system could
hang for *hours* over entropy is reason enough to banish systemd
completely.
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657[05:45:41] <somiaj> ,v rng-tools
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658[05:45:42] <judd> Package: rng-tools on amd64 -- jessie:
2-unofficial-mt.14-1; bullseye: 2-unofficial-mt.14-1+b2; buster:
2-unofficial-mt.14-1+b2; stretch: 2-unofficial-mt.14-1+b2; sid: 5-1
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659[05:45:42] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: it's not really
systemd's fault that there isn't enough entropy. Look at
the workaround mentioned in the release notes, others are mentioned
on the wiki page that is linked
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660[05:46:27] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: add a virtio_rng to
the VMs
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661[05:46:49] <friendofafriend> I think the problem is occuring
on the host itself.
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662[05:47:04] <ghormoon> magic_ninja: yes, so it should work.
dammit
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665[05:48:01] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: 'lscpu | grep
--color rdrand' to see if you have that instruction
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673[05:49:24] <friendofafriend> jmcnaught: Nope.
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676[05:50:16] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: Nope for the host, or
for the VMs?
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677[05:50:28] <friendofafriend> For the host.
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680[05:51:01] <friendofafriend> That's a pretty massive
bug.
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686[05:51:48] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: try one of these:
replaced-url
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687[05:52:20] <friendofafriend> I don't understand what
that is or is supposed to do.
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689[05:53:53] <friendofafriend> So, systemd is standing the way
of my system booting, and now I've got to run some entropy
generator? And Debian's documentation amounts to
"here's some packages"?
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691[05:54:56] <friendofafriend> Is there some flag or config
setting where I can tell systemd to keep its nose out of my entropy,
and just boot the system like anyone would expect?
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692[05:54:58] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: a package is
mentioned in the release notes that you could use, the
replaced-url
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693[05:55:59] <friendofafriend> Really, I'm after
"breaking" whatever "functionality" is being
"provided" by systemd here. I just don't want it.
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695[05:56:53] <Chex> heh
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696[05:57:53] <Chex> friendofafriend: you must feed the systemd
deity(sp??) in order to boot.
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697[05:58:27] <friendofafriend> I thought waiting several
minutes was bad for my network connection to come up, but other
people have their systems sitting for *hours* over this?
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698[05:58:53] <ghormoon> hm, seems i need to kill xorg to make
it restart and then the sockets open
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699[05:59:09] <ghormoon> maybe systems is somehow remounting
/tmp after xorg starteD?
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700[05:59:17] <ghormoon> *systemd
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701[05:59:36] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: from what I
understand systemd uses hashmaps as internal data structures,
it's not really a feature you can disable. What about trying
haveged?
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703[06:00:02] <somiaj> and systemd isn't the only thing
needing entropy, the kernel seems to use a lot of it for security
reasons too.
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704[06:00:15] <jmcnaught> and sshd can consume entropy
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705[06:00:24] <friendofafriend> I was booting Stretch just fine
without it, thanks.
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706[06:00:27] <somiaj> but if you don't have enough
entropy, find ways to incerase it, haveged or rng-tools are one such
way
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707[06:00:42] <friendofafriend> Right, but my system booted.
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709[06:02:05] <friendofafriend> And if a system is going to hang
for hours over low entropy, then pick some entropy collection daemon
and make it part of the base package.
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712[06:02:53] <Terrell> Anyone here?
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713[06:03:00] <friendofafriend> Or, get systemd to fix the
problem, because I guess it's been one since... 2014?
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715[06:03:30] <ghormoon> i just upgraded two boxes and one of
them also takes like a minute just to collect entropy for the
cryptsetup swap partition, but that's not that bad, could be
worse
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716[06:03:39] <somiaj> ranting is just not productive here, for
the most part we are not developers, you have been pointed to
solutions, complaining about it isn't going to change anything.
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717[06:03:39] <friendofafriend> And to see in the docs "a
fallback that makes experts hold their noses: apt install
haveged", they don't hold their noses at a system that
hangs for hours at boot?
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718[06:04:01] <friendofafriend> It's supposed to be a
stable release.
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719[06:04:02] <Terrell> wrong channel. sorry
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721[06:04:36] <friendofafriend> And you can try to call being
incredulous a rant, but that doesn't make it one.
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726[06:08:46] <kreyren> looking for `cm.lib, mm.lib, mn.lib` on
debian
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727[06:08:51] <jh001> fresh deb10, missing something to get X11
forwarding -> putty -> xming. worked fine on deb9 so kinda
lost. anyone have a clue?
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731[06:12:52] <ghormoon> anyone has clean (not upraded) install
of debian 10 to compare please? does "systemctl list-units -a |
grep tmp.mount" list something?
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733[06:13:27] <ghormoon> jh001: do you have anything in
/tmp/.X11-unix/ ? :D
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734[06:13:41] <friendofafriend> ghormoon: tmp.mount loaded
active mounted /tmp
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735[06:14:28] <friendofafriend> So, I take it libvirt is coming
up before networking is started on Buster, when it wasn't doing
the same under Stretch.
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736[06:14:29] <ghormoon> mine is not-found inactive dead
tmp.mount. nothing in journal either, but the file exists in
/usr/share/systemd/tmp.mount
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737[06:15:24] <ghormoon> but enable says unit file tmp.mount
doesn't exist. where is yours?
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738[06:15:29] <jh001> ghormoon: the dir is there, but empty
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739[06:16:22] <ghormoon> for me it is a file
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740[06:16:27] <ghormoon> ah sry
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741[06:16:39] <jmcnaught> ghormoon: do you have /tmp in your
fstab? .mount units can be generated from fstab entries
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742[06:16:51] <friendofafriend> Anyone else having Linux-KVM
guests not boot with "(process:613): Spice-WARNING **:
00:06:27.208: reds.c:2611:reds_init_socket:
getaddrinfo(127.0.0.1,5900): Address family for hostname not
supported" in the log?
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743[06:17:23] <ghormoon> jmcnaught: seems not, what params
should i use?
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744[06:17:40] <jh001> ghormoon: I have
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746[06:18:16] <jh001> tmp.mount not-found inactive dead
tmp.mount
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747[06:18:20] <jh001> as well
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748[06:18:26] <ghormoon> jh001: you putty into ssh server runni
on the debian 10 or what? did you try ssh -X from some linux box?
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749[06:19:01] <jmcnaught> ghormoon: params for what? I was
talking about /etc/fstab.
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750[06:19:03] <jh001> ghormoon: note that I do not have a
separate tmp fs
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751[06:19:07] <ghormoon> might be related, might not in your
case, but some things ry to use the socket that it can't find
because mounted over later
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752[06:19:20] <ghormoon> jmcnaught: yup, on the fstap line
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754[06:19:57] <jh001> ghormoon: yeah the ssh stuff is all in
place - could not connect to any X display
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755[06:20:07] <ghormoon> /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0 ?
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756[06:21:41] <jmcnaught> ghormoon: what are you trying to
accomplish? For me /tmp is just part of the root filesystem, on my
desktop /tmp has its own logical volume
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757[06:21:46] <somiaj> jh001: not that this may solve your
problem, but from windows I find mobaxterm much nicer than putty +
xming
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758[06:22:55] <ghormoon> jmcnaught: i have my /tmp/.X11-unix/X0
sockets "missing' and it seems they are mounted-over later
than X server is started
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759[06:22:57] <jh001> somiaj: I hear you - but putty works now
with deb9, thanks
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761[06:23:36] <jmcnaught> ghormoon: does this happen if you do
not have /tmp in /etc/fstab?
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762[06:23:40] <ghormoon> yes
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763[06:24:04] <ghormoon> i'll try with it now, gotta reboot
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764[06:29:03] <ghormoon> no difference, still i need to kill
Xorg to let it restart and write to the proper mount
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769[06:31:19] <friendofafriend> After putting
"After=network-online.target" into libvirtd.service and
libvirt-guests.service, the guests still start up before name
resolution works. Why have "network-online.target", then?
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777[06:38:08] <ghormoon> not 100% sure it is mount, though, but
i guess yes
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778[06:39:32] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: you should put
Wants=network-online.target as well, and you need to make sure
ifupdown-wait-online.service is enabled (or a different wait service
if you don't use ifupdown).
replaced-url
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779[06:40:31] <friendofafriend> Yes, I've added both as
"After=" and "Wants=".
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781[06:41:01] <friendofafriend> I don't understand what
ifupdown-wait-online.service is, or is doing, or how to check
it's enabled.
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782[06:41:37] <rabbitear_sdf> sudo systemctl status
ifupdown-wait-online
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783[06:42:17] <rabbitear_sdf> look for 'running' and
also 'enabled' <- meaning it starts at boot (or went
its suppose to)
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784[06:42:23] <friendofafriend> So, I've run that, and I
get possibly the most confusing output I've ever seen: Loaded:
loaded (/lib/systemd/system/ifupdown-wait-online.service; disabled;
vendor preset: enabled)"
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785[06:42:49] <friendofafriend> So, it's loaded. and
it's disabled. And vendor preset is enabled.
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786[06:42:57] <friendofafriend> Under it, "Active: inactive
(dead)".
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787[06:43:26] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: systemctl enable it
then
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788[06:43:43] <friendofafriend> Active. Inactive. Dead. How can
that be turned into information? Is it saying it's enabled?
Disabled? Active? Inactive?
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789[06:43:48] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: is your networking
configured in /etc/network/interfaces or somewhere else?
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790[06:44:11] <friendofafriend> Yes, /etc/network/interfaces .
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794[06:45:14] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: when you edited
libvirtd.service did you edit the one in /lib/systemd/system?
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797[06:45:56] <friendofafriend> jmcnaught: Yes, in
/lib/systemd/system. Does it matter when in the file the After= and
Wants= are placed? Does the .service file have to be reread or
reregistered somehow?
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798[06:47:03] <somiaj> those edits will be overwritten, use
'systemctl edit unit' to copy it to /etc/systemd/system
and edit the copy.
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799[06:47:37] <somiaj> and you do have to run systemctl reload
unit (or something like that) for the chnages to take affect.
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800[06:47:51] <friendofafriend> I've rebooted a few times,
when will those files be overwritten?
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801[06:48:16] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: by the libvirtd deb
package next time it is upgraded
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802[06:48:19] <friendofafriend> Is there a way I can simply make
the read only, so as to not use "systemctl edit"?
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804[06:48:53] <friendofafriend> And I'd be running what
exactly, "systemctl edit libvirtd"?
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806[06:50:21] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: units in
/etc/systemd/system take priority over units under /lib. You can
also create /etc/systemd/system/libvirtd.service.d/override.conf
that contains only the directives you want to override, that's
called a drop-in
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807[06:50:46] <somiaj> friendofafriend: files in
/lib/systemd/system are controled by the .debs that own them,
upgrades in the package will override the files
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809[06:51:19] <friendofafriend> So, basically, if I'm
trying to figure out how a service is loading, I've got to look
in two different places?
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810[06:51:49] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: 'systemctl edit
libvirtd.service' automates the process of creating an override
drop-in
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811[06:52:25] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: 'systemctl cat
libvirtd.service' to see the complete unit along with its
drop-ins
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812[06:55:18] <friendofafriend> Gosh, this is awfully complex.
So, regarding ifupdown-wait-online.service, why would I need to
enable that *and* network-online.target? Isn't
network-online.target waiting for, y'know, the network to be
online?
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816[06:57:17] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend:
"network-online.target is a target that actively waits until
the nework is "up", where the definition of "up"
is defined by the network management software."
ifupdown-wait-online.service is how ifupdown is telling
network-online.target it's up.
replaced-url
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817[06:57:54] <friendofafriend> So, network-online.target
basically doesn't actually mean your network is up at all?
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820[06:59:30] <friendofafriend> And it's up to some
additional bunch of software to tell systemd that the network is up,
even though that's not enabled by default, and you get no
output from anywhere that it's not?
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823[07:01:56] <friendofafriend> And I guess there's so way
to tease out from systemd when it thinks the network is up, but I
seemingly can't find a file that contains that information. So
that I may cat it. And grep it. Where might it be?
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824[07:02:06] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend:
ifupdown-wait-online.service probably isn't enabled by default
because users might be using a different one, like my laptop which
is using NetworkManager-wait-online.service
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825[07:03:13] <friendofafriend> Right, but users are certainly
using something? And wouldn't that be appropriate to enable by
default? Isn't that "vendor preset" enabled tell me
that it is?
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867[07:36:17] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. Where are the program files
kept for programs?
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868[07:37:04] <Lady_Aleena> I don't want to have run a find
on my entire system, and I need to see a line in a python script
from gramps.
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871[07:41:02] <HeXiLeD> depends
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873[07:41:32] <HeXiLeD> Lady_Aleena: bin sbin are 2 locations to
start with.
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875[07:42:29] <Lady_Aleena> Is there a file viewer that has line
numbers?
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877[07:44:14] <HeXiLeD> once again, depends: on the file viewer
and if you want numbers on it or not
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878[07:44:34] <Lady_Aleena> The only ones I know for the command
line are more, less, and cat.
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879[07:45:02] <HeXiLeD> try vim : set number
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881[07:46:15] <HeXiLeD> echo ':set number' >>
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885[07:48:26] <Lady_Aleena> Less had it, less -N
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886[07:48:46] <Lady_Aleena> Now if I could only figure out how
to read python.
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889[07:49:23] <HeXiLeD> do you mean, understand it or see the
python code?
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890[07:50:07] <Lady_Aleena> Understand it.
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891[07:50:29] <Lady_Aleena> But I think I just understood enough
that I am annoyed.
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895[07:53:17] <ayekat> Lady_Aleena: what problem are you trying
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file into gramps, and it kept ignoring the csv, but I found out why.
So after making an adjustment, I think I got it.
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903[07:55:41] <ayekat> I hope you didn't do that adjustment
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914[08:08:30] <Lady_Aleena> ayekat, I adjusted MY csv file, I
did NOT touch the python code. I don't know python, but I was
able to read it a little bit.
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916[08:09:27] <Lady_Aleena> However, this is a "bug".
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917[08:09:28] <ayekat> Lady_Aleena: ok - you just gave no
information about how you solved your issue, so I wondered
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919[08:11:00] <Lady_Aleena> ayekat, I looked around the line in
the python file that was throwing the warning. I then determined
what the script was looking for in my csv file, in this case the
word "surname". I then added "surname" to my csv
file. I tried importing it again, and this time I succeeded.
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925[08:19:48] <Jck_true> The buster upgrade FUBAR'ed my
SSD. My server refuses to boot from it now... Thankfully I still
have the old drive with a working stretch installation... Looks like
it's gonna be reinstall friday for me!!!
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927[08:20:47] <Jck_true> On the upside my server draws 5 watts
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937[08:29:23] <Haohmaru> i can't find that trick to disable
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939[08:29:32] <Haohmaru> it was some magical .conf
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942[08:30:57] <Haohmaru> ah, found it:
replaced-url
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950[08:34:35] <rant> Jck_true: idk if your calendar is broke,
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958[08:40:15] <dabc> Hello. Is Debian LTS actually the same
thing as providing security updates for oldstable?
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968[08:45:51] <somiaj> !lts
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969[08:45:51] <dpkg> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project
to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5
years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by
a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about
<jessie-lts> and see
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974[08:46:18] <somiaj> dabc: select packages of oldstable (read
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976[08:47:49] <somiaj> stretch won't go into lts for a year
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1124[08:51:17] <dabc> I see, thank you. So if I'm getting
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entering/leaving oldstable?
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1127[08:51:58] <dabc> oh
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1128[08:52:10] <somiaj> debian LTS is a project in which
companies and indvudials fund to extend the life one debian no
longer supports it
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(espically on the server side of things), but funding and work
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options, does it not suffice to ifdown&ifup the interface? iam
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1444[10:14:49] <tre_09mx> can some one tell me how to remove
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1449[10:16:44] <tre_09mx> help
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1865[11:37:43] <gypsymauro> hi
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1866[11:38:40] <gypsymauro> I've upgraded from 9 to 10 a
desktop client, when I download from browser or I double click on a
pdf file it doesn't open the file and I find processes like:
start /ProgIDOpen pdffile.. where I can change thid behavoiur?
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1869[11:39:48] <moritz> gypsymauro: your browser should have
settings about which file types to open with which application
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1870[11:39:50] <mstruebing> is it possible to install a minor
patch version of a package which already has a major bump to not get
the breaking change with apt?
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1872[11:40:16] <mstruebing> i.e. I want to install 1.9 but there
is already 2.0
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1873[11:40:41] <moritz> yes, you can do such things with pinning
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1876[11:41:30] <ayekat> gypsymauro: what file manager are you
using?
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1877[11:41:46] <ayekat> gypsymauro: check the output of `xdg-mime
query default application/pdf`
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1883[11:45:09] <gypsymauro> ayekat: wine-extension-pdf.desktop ,
I'm using cinnamon
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1884[11:45:16] <gypsymauro> whi wine?
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1885[11:45:18] <gypsymauro> why
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1887[11:46:05] <ayekat> gypsymauro: that's typical of wine,
to install custom file type associations
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1888[11:47:07] <ayekat> gypsymauro: check if you can find a
`mimeapps.list` file either in ~/.local/share or ~/.config
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1889[11:47:23] <ayekat> it contains all the file type
associations - you can just remove all the WINE entries in there
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1891[11:50:36] <gypsymauro> ayekat: found in .config and in
.local/share/applications/ but none of them contains any referement
to wine
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1893[11:51:59] <ayekat> hmm... I don't remember anymore how
I unfscked the wine entries :-/
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1894[11:55:01] <gypsymauro> doh I dounf it in
~/.local/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache, I clean that cache now
it's associated to libreoffice-draw
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1895[11:55:05] <gypsymauro> damn
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1896[11:55:06] <gypsymauro> :D
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1897[11:55:14] <gypsymauro> found
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1903[11:59:06] <ayekat> ah, I totally thought .cache
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1960[12:31:17] <elwisp> I have no idea where to start in order to
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1961[12:32:01] <elwisp> After that chrome tells me to restart the
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1975[12:36:45] <sdschulze> Hi, just out of curiousity: Now that
installed Debian is secure-boot-compatible, what is the problem with
making a secure-boot-enabled installer medium?
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1979[12:39:22] <mathisen> im just guessing that would be an issue
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1980[12:39:38] <mathisen> sdschulze, anyway i was talking about
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2008[13:00:29] <sdschulze> Well, I have a Debian installation on
a USB stick and I ran "grub-install --removable
--uefi-secure-boot" on that, but it failed to boot, complaining
"System BootOrder not found", even if secure boot was not
even enabled in UEFI.
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2072[13:41:20] <ghormoon> hi, where to start debugging, if i have
missng socket in /tmp/.X11-unix/X0, but if i kill the xserver and
let it restart wit the same options, it is there? i was suspecting
something during the boo process moutnig over /tmp, but it seems i
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2074[13:41:42] <ghormoon> the box is recently dist-upgraded
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2077[13:42:49] <annadane> is there a reason why
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2079[13:44:07] <annadane> it's there, i can hover over it,
but it's just a blank space
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2104[13:51:38] <annadane> well okay i see i'm not the only
one who's asked, i'll do some research
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2147[14:10:21] <finn0> I wonder, which application is best for
edit images (redact, compress etc)?
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2148[14:10:21] <finn0> Currently, I'm using Shotwell which
don't have these features.
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2153[14:14:23] <finn0> probably GIMP is would be the answer. But,
don't know how to redact information from image in GIMP.
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2158[14:15:10] <humpled> sorry what do you mean by redact?
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2159[14:15:17] <radkos> hi how can I setup default nice value of
a process name per user
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2161[14:15:49] <radkos> let say I want for user login5 to set
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2163[14:16:07] <humpled> there is a tool called mat for removing
metadata and a tool called convert for changing file size/format
etc.
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2183[14:27:35] <miggyb> Hello, I'm having a really weird
issue with the python-cryptography package refusing to get removed
or reinstalled. I've tried every combination of dpkg/apt
commands that I can think of. Has anyone seen anything like this?
Running stretch on amd64
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2189[14:30:37] <gpk_> Today I am getting an error when trying to
install locales on stretch (it's actually python:3.6-slim
docker image).
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2191[14:31:25] <han-solo> miggyb: your default python is
`python3` ?
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2192[14:32:10] <han-solo> or to rephrase the question "did
you make `python3` as default `python`" ?
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2196[14:32:44] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
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2197[14:32:45] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
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2201[14:32:52] <jelly> gpk_, ^
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2202[14:33:00] <miggyb> Yes, as far as I can tell.
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2204[14:34:16] <jelly> miggyb, that's not supported and
_will_ break some system components. /usr/bin/python is NOT managed
by alternatives in Debian
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2205[14:34:21] <han-solo> miggyb: well, the code that was written
for `pyclean` must have been for `python2`, so you need `python2` as
default in your system
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2206[14:34:44] <han-solo> and i have never seen `python3` as the
default `python` in debian yet
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2207[14:34:51] <han-solo> i'm still in stretch
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2208[14:35:11] <miggyb> Ah, makes sense. Let me change the
default to Python 2 and try this again. Thanks for the heads up!
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2209[14:35:42] <centrix> I am preparing a system of Deb11. We
will run squid4 on it with 50-10 concurrent users. 4GB RAM, 2CPUs,
300GB separate space for squid. Do I initially need swap there?
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2211[14:35:51] <jelly> miggyb, there shouldn't be ANY
alternatives for /usr/bin/python, whoever created them for you broke
important assumptions.
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2212[14:36:20] <han-solo> miggyb: also, do you need those libs
`system wide` ?
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2214[14:36:56] <han-solo> `python-cryptography`, i meant
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2215[14:37:21] <miggyb> jelly: honestly, the villain might have
been me. I don't remember if I used `update-alternatives` or
just set a soft link. Let me see if I can unscrew the system first
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2217[14:37:45] <miggyb> han-solo: Not that I know of, but
I'd like to clean up the dpkg database first and then try
removing it. At least that's what makes sense to me
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2219[14:38:23] <miggyb> so first uninstall it "by
force" if needed, then install it cleanly, then remove it
cleanly.
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2222[14:39:12] <han-solo> miggyb: for development, highly
recommend some form `virtualenv`
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2226[14:41:22] <miggyb> Yup, I started using virtualenv to avoid
issues like this and then that project just got moved into a Docker
container anyway. I'm sure there's some more Python libs
that should be removed
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2233[14:44:18] <miggyb> Okay yes, set the default Python to 2.7
(using `update-alternatives`) and then reinstalling and removing the
package seems to work as intended now. `dpkg --audit` comes back
clean. Thanks for the help, han-solo and jelly! I've learned my
lesson :)
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2239[14:47:03] <jelly> miggyb, remove all the alternatives for
"python", they should not exist at all
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2246[14:49:21] <gpk_> jelly: it seems to be because it's
using buster now, even though the base image is debian:stretch-slim?
How?
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2254[14:51:46] <ihristov> Does anyone know how to fix the
resolution of a vino server?
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2255[14:51:48] <jelly> gpk_, if you show all the info I might
dare a guess, but without it you're going to get a
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2256[14:51:54] <finn0> humpled, redact: obscure (a black strip
line) or remove certain part (text) from document
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2258[14:51:56] <ihristov> I can't find the settings of this
one
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2261[14:53:44] <gpk_> jelly:
replaced-url
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2262[14:53:47] <finn0> humpled: mat or mat2 only remove meta-data
cannot be use for image/document editing.
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2264[14:54:02] <gpk_> Notice it's using buster... but
python:3.6-slim is stretch?
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2266[14:54:46] <jelly> gpk_, that's not all the info the bot
asked for
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2267[14:55:01] <gpk_> jelly: I think it is
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2269[14:55:55] <jelly> gpk_, I think "apt-cache policy all
the packages mentioned" is incomplete, and "apt-cache
policy" is missing
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2272[14:56:42] <gpk_> I think python:3.6-slim is buster now.. I
think that is it
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2273[14:56:43] <jelly> gpk_, step 3) is a literal "apt-cache
policy" without anything else in the command
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2274[14:57:06] <gpk_> jelly:
replaced-url
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2275[14:57:18] <rant> I have no idea what's going on there
but looks like all this is being done remotely via some kinda python
interface.
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2276[14:57:51] <jelly> gpk_, can you run all the apt commands
AFTER /etc/apt/sources.list is populated?
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2277[14:58:32] <jelly> gpk_, that point in time you're
running it right now is either before it's populated, or before
apt-get update has run for the first time
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2278[14:58:59] <gpk_> jelly:
replaced-url
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2280[14:59:02] <jelly> make the output almost useless, showing
just the local /var/lib/dpkg/status db
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2281[14:59:04] <gpk_> rant: it's Docker
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2282[14:59:18] <gpk_> I forgot I removed the initial update
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2285[14:59:30] <liceoprova> ciao
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2286[14:59:35] <liceoprova> !list
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2287[14:59:35] <dpkg> liceoprova: vedi
replaced-url
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2288[14:59:39] <gpk_> So it's just buster, but I was using a
local cahce of stretch before
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2289[14:59:43] <jelly> gpk_, you have buster repos configured.
That's not right for a system supposed to be built on stretch.
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2290[14:59:45] <garotosopa> Hi. I've just checked dpkg.log
and there are upgrades I don't recall doing myself, at times I
wasn't even awake. Are there usual suspects for unattended
upgrades I could check and disable?
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2297[15:01:38] <liceoprova> !list
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2298[15:01:38] <dpkg> liceoprova: Debian è un sistema
operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da
quello di gratis): vedi
replaced-url
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2299[15:02:01] <BCMM> ... what?
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2302[15:02:28] <BCMM> !list
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2303[15:02:28] <dpkg> bcmm: È possibile scaricare un sacco
di software libero puntando il tuo browser a
replaced-url
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2304[15:02:37] <jelly> BCMM, warez kidz from .it used to stumble
in here on a fiarly regular basis
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2306[15:02:50] <BCMM> jelly: heh, ok. i was wondering how it
decided what language to use...
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2307[15:03:00] <jelly> it knew.
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2311[15:03:34] <BCMM> why .it specifically? was this channel on a
popular italian list of warez channels?
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2312[15:03:36] <annadane> and then you type the command with a
lisp and instead of !list type !lisp and richard stallman explodes
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2317[15:04:12] <annadane> who i know speaks at least spanish, not
sure about italian
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2322[15:05:04] <jelly> BCMM, we don't know
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2326[15:05:57] <BCMM> the eternal september never stops being
weird...
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2366[15:34:45] <TheFlipside> i'm having trouble installing
debian on a system with a NE2000+ network card, during the
installation at the part to set up the kernel modules i set the
io=0x280 and irq=10 but when the system reboots then there is no
video anymore and it just beebs, apparently this happens when a
program tries to access a ROM which doesnt exist; the only way i can
resolve this is to set the jumper on the card to default and then
start all
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2367[15:34:45] <TheFlipside> over again with the driver utility
on DOS :/
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2368[15:34:57] <TheFlipside> i this a bug in debian2.1 or what am
i missing
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2369[15:35:23] <jelly> TheFlipside, you're missing a
century!
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2370[15:35:32] <TheFlipside> is that bad?
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2373[15:36:08] <jelly> honestly the one you're living in was
probably better
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2374[15:36:31] <jelly> at least the latter half
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2375[15:36:40] <Ticho> well, you're connecting here via
ipv6, and debian 2.1 is too old
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2376[15:36:53] <Ticho> try switching to ipv5 or ipv4
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2377[15:37:20] <TheFlipside> i cant get to that part, the
hardware wont initiliaze
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2380[15:38:47] <jelly> even though I have a working Debian system
that was installed as 2.1, it's getting rather hard to remember
all the gritty details of how ISA worked, even after PnP
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2381[15:39:38] <TheFlipside> i dont understand why it is doing
this, i tested it with redhat6.0 and suse linux 6.1 and there were
no problems there
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2382[15:40:03] <dvs> Redhat 6.0, not RHEL 6
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2383[15:40:06] <TheFlipside> yes
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2384[15:40:07] <jelly> TheFlipside, tried debian 3.0?
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2385[15:40:15] <TheFlipside> that isnt released yet
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2386[15:40:21] <jelly> heheh
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2387[15:40:33] <TheFlipside> maybe its because debian is on
kernel 2.0.34 and the others on 2.2.5
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2388[15:41:55] <jelly> a quick trip to 2003 and grab a woody
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2389[15:42:13] <jelly> with, 2.4.8 kernel and working isapnp,
IIRC
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2390[15:42:29] <TheFlipside> i cant, i'm stuck in 1999
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2391[15:43:10] <jelly> can you boot a RH kernel, then debootstrap
and chroot into Debian, and compile the latest 2.2 kernel?
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2392[15:43:31] <TheFlipside> ugh thats kind of too much effort
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2394[15:43:51] <jelly> not really
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2395[15:43:52] <rant> jelly: thats supposing he can find
plutonium-239 and get the delorean up to 88mph
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2396[15:44:02] <TheFlipside> lel
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2397[15:44:10] <jelly> people used to build custom kernels all
the time, back then
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2398[15:44:34] <TheFlipside> but why do i have to do this, i just
want it to work out of the box
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2400[15:45:09] <TheFlipside> i think i will just make a remark
and move on to the 3com 3c595
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2401[15:45:27] <jelly> TheFlipside, you will have to be VERY
picky about the hardware if you want Debian to Just Work
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2403[15:45:55] <jelly> sadly that will not have changed a lot in
the next 20 years
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2404[15:45:55] <TheFlipside> but that card is from 1994 and the
design is from the 80s, why is it having problems with the module
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2405[15:46:12] <jelly> short answer is "NE2k clones are
crap"
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2406[15:46:18] <TheFlipside> :/
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2407[15:46:33] <jelly> get your hands on an ewrk3 or 3c509
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2409[15:46:47] <TheFlipside> i already tested the 3c509, worked
out of the box
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2410[15:46:47] <jelly> why do I even remember this.
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2411[15:46:51] <jelly> see!
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2412[15:46:59] <TheFlipside> ok i get it, ne2000 bad
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2416[15:47:41] * jelly hunts thru the archive
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2417[15:47:45] <jelly> -rw-r--r-- 1 jelly jelly 443912 Feb 21
2001
/home/jelly/packages.old/ext3-0.0.6b/linux-2.2.19pre14.ext3.diff
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2420[15:48:15] <jelly> but that's already this century
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2421[15:48:23] <TheFlipside> ext3? whats that witchcraft
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2423[15:48:43] <jelly> it was the best thing since sliced bread
when it came out
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2424[15:48:52] <jelly> or it will be!
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2425[15:49:10] <jelly> be careful to skip version 0.0.3c
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2426[15:49:12] <TheFlipside> wont happen, the 2k bug will render
all systems unusable anyway
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2427[15:49:21] <greycat> I put ext3 in my toaster once. Very poor
results. Would not recommend as sliced bread replacement at this
time.
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2436[15:54:52] <quazgar> Hi, will Firefox-esr 68 be released for
Buster?
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2438[15:55:42] <greycat> In october, when 60 expires.
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2442[15:56:42] <greycat> Replacement of version X with version Y
is done at the very last moment possible, when support for X goes
away, and involves kicking and screaming.
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2460[16:07:05] <rant> heh
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2462[16:07:31] <rant> we were addressing this question on OFTC
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2464[16:07:56] <rant> though greycats concise explaination is
entertaining as always
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2465[16:08:21] <rant> I went into a lot more detail, teaching a
man to fish as they say
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2469[16:12:30] <annadane> i would use firefox esr but i got tired
of 'your firefox is too old for this extension'
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2471[16:13:47] <greycat> And I got tired of "hey, it's
a new month, let's rip out all of this stuff you've been
using for the last 10 years, because we love random unnecessary
changes"
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2472[16:14:39] <annadane> yeah...
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2497[16:30:01] <jken> Does anyone use htpdate to set the time on
their system? I am running into a situation where if I use htpdate
to set the system time, in certain timezones it is off by 1 hour.
Seems it might be timezones currently in daylight savings. Example:
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2507[16:32:52] <greycat> so... "htpdate" is not just
you making a typo for "ntpdate", then.
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2508[16:33:14] <greycat> htpdate - HTTP based time
synchronization tool
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2509[16:34:24] <jken> correct, I have debian devices deployed
behind networks where we can't rely on NTP unfortunately,
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2510[16:35:02] <jken> it seems to consider the current timezone
when setting the time for some reason./
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2511[16:35:20] <koollman> shouldn't mysql-server be
mentionned in
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2513[16:35:51] <greycat> mysql was replaced by mariadb in stretch
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2514[16:36:28] <koollman> yeah, I'm looking at the previous
installations now. so, what was removed was the transitional dummy
package
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2515[16:36:34] <koollman> which is still kind of noteworthy :)
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2516[16:37:04] <koollman> (and it depended on
default-mysql-server. which is probably the 'right' choice
now)
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2545[16:50:35] <quazgar> thanks rant and greycat! Kicking and
screaming is fine for, as is around October. I would only hate being
stuck for another few years with a version without many of my
favorite addons.
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2549[16:50:57] <quazgar> btw, which channel is more canonical,
here or at oftc?
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2584[17:03:42] <minall> Hello!
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2588[17:04:26] <minall> I'm unable to install debian on a
very old pc, the pc freezes and doesn't boot properly just by
plugging the usb with debian, which I can plug to another PC, and
works nicely
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2589[17:04:43] <minall> It happends in debian 9.9.0 and the
newer, debian 10
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2591[17:04:52] <greycat> How old? There are certain minimum CPU
requirements for each Debian release.
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2593[17:05:30] <greycat> Also, really old PCs may not boot from
USB at all... but it sounds like yours *attempts* to boot from USB,
so that may be a red herring.
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2603[17:08:31] <minall> It's 64 bits, aand is as old as
having VIA technologies, P4M890 S3 UniChrome Pro
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2605[17:08:43] <minall> Is should have the requirements, but is
strange
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2608[17:08:56] <minall> I'm able lto boot USBs from other
distributions
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2610[17:09:28] <minall> I'm using guixSD, I tried and
succesfully load NixOS, and I'm using ParrotOS, which is based
on debian
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2612[17:09:42] <diogenes_> minall, try: acpi=off as boot param.
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2613[17:10:09] <minall> One thing I could notice, if that when
installing either of those systems, I need to load the module
pata_acpi, or less it would have problems loading, maybe it has
something to do?
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2616[17:11:26] <minall> diogenes_: You mean adding it to grub?, I
can't since the pc frozes just because there's a debian
usb bootable connected, but it doesn't happend with other
distros, this is why I'm confused
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2622[17:12:24] <diogenes_> minall, then make a multiboot usb and
try that way to load the iso.
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2625[17:13:49] <minall> diogenes_: How so? add 2 distros in one
USB?, for example, ParrotOS and Debian?, since I know that Parrot OS
works?
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2626[17:14:22] <diogenes_> minall, and not only 2, as many as you
want.
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2627[17:14:56] <jmcnaught> I don't see how multiboot would
help the issue
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2629[17:15:16] <jmcnaught> minall: which ISO image are you using?
Live or installer?
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2630[17:15:20] <minall> jmcnaught: Me neither, but since I'm
at a loss, I should try it
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2631[17:15:27] <diogenes_> jmcnaught, it will at least load the
pendrive and there he can specify the needed params in grub.cfg.
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2632[17:15:31] <minall> Full installer ...
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2633[17:15:55] <minall> diogenes_: You're right, my pc just,
freezes, is so strange lol
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2634[17:16:09] <diogenes_> minall, also i'd suggest to to
with non-free isos.
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2635[17:16:19] <diogenes_> !firmware system
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2636[17:16:26] <diogenes_> !firmware iso
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2637[17:16:26] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available
from
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2638[17:16:47] <diogenes_> wait that is for netinst.
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2639[17:16:58] <Johann> that's pretty cool iso, i
didn't know they existed
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2640[17:17:03] <minall> Mhh I should try everything...
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2645[17:17:56] <diogenes_> minall, i suggest one on the
following:
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2646[17:18:03] <minall> I'm running a free distro, GuixSD,
which doesn't load anything non-free, but it loads nice, so
maybe it is not that it's not loading something non-free that
needs
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2647[17:18:08] <diogenes_> since i know for sure they work in a
multiboot scenario.
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2648[17:18:13] <minall> But i'll try
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2649[17:18:22] <minall> diogenes_: Thanks!, I'll try
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2650[17:18:27] <diogenes_> np
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2651[17:18:31] <greycat> Ugh, live... but hey, if the real
installer failed, maybe the live won't fail in the same way?
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2652[17:19:04] <diogenes_> greycat, the goal now is to at least
have it loaded, what comes next we are to figure out.
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2653[17:19:05] <minall> Thank you all for your help, in the
afternoon I should be able to connect to the pc, and then I can make
everything necessary to install debian
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2654[17:19:21] <diogenes_> ok
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2656[17:19:24] <minall> Yep, since it just freezes, strange
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2657[17:19:29] <greycat> If it turns out that this weird VIA PC
is incompatible with Debian's hybrid ISO installer images, the
people at #debian-boot on OFTC may be the go-to.
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2660[17:20:49] <minall> I didn't know that IRC existed, in
case I have problems, I should go there instead!
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2661[17:21:02] <greycat> !oftc
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2662[17:21:02] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology
Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC
network: irc.oftc.net. You may (or may not) be connected to
OFTC's network.
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2666[17:24:49] <jken> greycat, if you care prepending
`TZ=America/Halifax` (my known working timezone) got around my issue
with htpdate setting the wrong UTC system time
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2667[17:25:14] <greycat> that's... interesting
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2669[17:25:44] <jken> I suspect some of the timezone configs in
tzdata are not entirely accurate
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2670[17:25:45] <greycat> was the TZ variable actually set to
anything before you did that?
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2671[17:25:54] <jken> greycat, no it was not.
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2674[17:26:50] <greycat> setting TZ should only override the
system's default timezone, so in the absence of TZ I would
expect it was using whatever you set the default to... but
unfortunately, Debian has *two* different places where the default
timezone is stored, and they can be changed independently
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2678[17:27:40] <Rust3dCor3> Hi. Anyway to get mp3gain on debian
buster again? Im trying to get python-rgain and bs1770gain to work
but I think i dont understend them at all
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2680[17:27:45] <greycat> Which raises a few questions. 1) which
default timezone is htpdate using? 2) which default timezone did
your timedatectl command change? 3) are they out of sync?
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2682[17:28:16] <Rust3dCor3> also I need just the ability to
automatic album/track gain and also applying gain by hand by dB
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2683[17:28:38] <greycat> The first one (I think it's
deprecated) is "cat /etc/timezone", and the second is
"ls -l /etc/localtime" (the timezone is embedded in the
target of the symlink, because someone thought that was clever or
something)
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2684[17:28:42] <Rust3dCor3> or just give me a command to modify
gain for a single file
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2734[17:55:44] <ansyeb> hello. trying to install debian 10 on an
Dell XPS 15 9570. in UEFI mode it doesnt see the ssd nvme, so I
couldnt install it for that sake. in legacy support mode I am able
to install, but trying to boot into the system returns "no
bootable devices found"
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2735[17:56:29] <ansyeb> and XPS was marked as one of the most
common notebooks for Linux ;/ alongside ThinkPad, oh yeah
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2737[17:56:56] <somiaj> have you checked the firmware/setup,
sometimes there are different modes you can configure the SATA to
use, configure one more useful for linux
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2738[17:57:13] <ansyeb> Ive tried with: Raid ON, diasable and
AHCI
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2741[17:57:32] <somiaj> I had a dell that I could install just
fine on a normal drive, but it had some special 'ssd' chip
that just didn't work under linux
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2744[17:58:30] <somiaj> yea, it was one of those ssd nvme or
various special chips, and the chip worked in ocnjunction with the
normal spinning drive.
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2745[17:58:36] <somiaj> My solution for that laptop was to just
use the spinning drive.
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2747[17:58:50] <diogenes_> ansyeb, make sure it's not gpt.
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2748[17:58:50] <ansyeb> this one only has 512 ssd
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2749[17:59:14] <ansyeb> diogenes_, how?
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2750[17:59:49] <diogenes_> ansyeb, run a live gparted.
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2751[17:59:53] <ansyeb> I did specify MBR and put it in the
begginning of that nvme
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2753[18:00:00] <ansyeb> during the installation process
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2755[18:00:11] <ansyeb> if thats what you mean
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2760[18:00:53] <somiaj> yea, I don't have any solutions, I
just recall having all sorts of strange issues with a dell and the
ssd nvme chip
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2762[18:02:12] <diogenes_> i'd suggest some bootloader
recover systems, there is a good one in mx-linux.
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2763[18:02:26] <diogenes_> also knoppix.
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2766[18:03:27] <ansyeb> could you proivide a link to a guide on
how to use it in my case?
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2768[18:03:47] <ansyeb> I dont think I have another external USB
to burn something right now either
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2769[18:04:08] <ansyeb> only the one with debian. and if I record
new contents and this system fails again etc
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2770[18:04:11] <diogenes_> ansyeb, yeah it would require either a
usb or dvd.
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2771[18:04:29] <ansyeb> why is XPS marked as notebook for Linux.
such a lie
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2772[18:04:43] <ansyeb> already spent like 10hours. heavily
exhausted to even think
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2773[18:04:59] <diogenes_> but have you run linux on it before?
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2783[18:07:56] <ansyeb> never
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2784[18:08:06] <ansyeb> it came up with Windows preinstalled
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2785[18:08:26] <ansyeb> tried with Ubuntu stick for the sake of
it. same result. doesnt see the ssd in UEFI install mode
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2786[18:08:34] <ansyeb> and "they" recommend installing
in that mode .. but how
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2787[18:09:28] <diogenes_> ansyeb, well i have seen many
complains about people with nvme on linux, maybe it would be better
to have a sata ssd.
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2788[18:09:34] <somiaj>
replaced-url
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2790[18:09:50] <somiaj> seems to have some fixes, STAT needs to
be in AHCI and fastbook needs to be 'thorough'
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2792[18:10:07] <ansyeb> somiaj, SATA in AHCI?
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2793[18:10:12] <ansyeb> whats a fastbook
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2795[18:10:28] <somiaj> fastboot
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2796[18:10:30] <somiaj> read the link
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2798[18:10:53] <somiaj> also yea that laptop seems to be one I
would not want linux on, not only does it have ssd chip it has
optimus, two thigns I've had trouble with.
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2801[18:11:37] <diogenes_> i've got optimus too and it works
flawlessly with nouveau, it can run all my games with wine and a
decent performance.
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2802[18:11:43] <ansyeb> ok. so for my last install all of the
above was set like in that article
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2803[18:11:58] <ansyeb> secure - off, fastbook - thorough, SATA
-AHCI
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2804[18:12:00] <ansyeb> and still the same
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2809[18:13:21] <ansyeb> fastboot is set like that by default.
SATA I did set up manualy. and secure off was the first thing I did
when entered the settings
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2810[18:14:08] <somiaj> check acpi settings and various other
settings.
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2812[18:14:51] <ansyeb> well, I did. speaking generally. maybe if
you could be more precise on what else to check
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2822[18:22:37] <ansyeb> oh. actually wait a minute. I may not
have tried to >install< the system with all these options like
that in UEFI. maybe thats a chance
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2824[18:23:01] <ansyeb> maybe I have had them set up like that,
but only tried to install in legacy support, via GRUB, MBR etc
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2831[18:24:56] <jmcnaught> UEFI mode seems like a safer bet on
newer hardware than legacy mode.
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2833[18:25:07] <ansyeb> doing atm. will report soon
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2855[18:41:43] <dob1> hi, what's wrong with this systemd
service?
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2856[18:41:45] <dob1>
replaced-url
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2857[18:41:58] <ansyeb> shimx64, grubx64, mmx64, fbx64, which one
to choose. after "this" install I can see those files in
/EFI/debian/* under FSO file system
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2860[18:43:31] <ansyeb> @jmcnaught, @somiaj ?
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2861[18:44:02] <jmcnaught> dob1: get rid of ExecStop=killall znc,
systemd knows how to kill processes without that
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2862[18:44:16] <dob1> jmcnaught, how?
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2863[18:44:27] <dob1> I am not saving any pid
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2866[18:45:05] <jmcnaught> dob1: systemd keeps track of all
processes for a service unit in a cgroup. Look at
replaced-url
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2867[18:45:26] <ratrace> dob1: because it's a Type=simple
service, so systemd spawns it directly, and knows when that process
ends.
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2868[18:45:35] <dob1> jmcnaught, but it doesn't work even
without the Execstop, on enable I get an useless Failed to enable
unit: Invalid argument
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2873[18:46:26] <dob1> got the error, a typo on the last line too
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2880[18:47:40] <jmcnaught> ansyeb: what context are you making
the choice?
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2881[18:47:42] <dob1> sorry, closed the window by error
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2882[18:47:46] <ansyeb> oh my f god. it worked with grubx6
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2883[18:47:50] <ansyeb> booted into the system ..
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2884[18:48:04] <ansyeb> jesus christ, our lord and savior
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2993[19:53:38] <ralpheeee> sudo systemctl stop/disable
bluetooth.service however on reboot status shows as running / active
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2994[19:54:22] <ralpheeee> how can disable bluetooth on boot
up....i would like to manually turn it on and of when needed
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2995[19:54:31] <ratrace> ralpheeee, something else must've
started it; "disabled" state only means it won't
start on its own; use "mask" if you want to block
completely
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2996[19:54:48] <ratrace> but ideally find what is starting it;
NetworkManager?; and fix that
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2997[19:55:48] <ralpheeee> ratrace:dont have nm (using iwd) but i
do have tlp
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2999[19:56:08] <Guest3391> mask bluetooth service
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3001[19:56:54] <ralpheeee> if i mask BT i just need to manually
start it or do i have to unmask and then startt
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3002[19:57:27] * ralpheeee suppose i should ask tlp crew
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3003[19:57:30] <ratrace> you would have to unmask it i think
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3004[19:58:21] <ralpheeee> how can confirm what is initiating the
start up of BT?
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3010[19:59:39] <ratrace> ralpheeee: i don't know otoh; would
need to google for it
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3012[19:59:52] <diogenes_> ralpheeee, ls /etc/xdg/autostart
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3016[20:00:58] <ralpheeee> diogenes_:nothing about BT there
mpd,pluseaudio,user-dirs
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3020[20:01:58] <diogenes_> ralpheeee, try: chmod -x
/etc/init.d/bluetooth
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3021[20:02:56] <ratrace> wouldn't matter; systemd ignores
sysv init scripts if there's a .service unit and there is
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3022[20:03:19] <ralpheeee> its already executable for all users
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3023[20:03:20] <xbow> systemclt disable <insertservicehere>
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3024[20:03:28] <xbow> systemctl
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3026[20:03:57] <diogenes_> then: systemctl disable bluetooth and
make sure you see the message: removing symlink....
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3027[20:04:23] <ratrace> that won't help if something else
is starting it; "disable" only affects services starting
on their own
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3028[20:04:48] <ralpheeee> ratrace:exactly....back to the root of
issue
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3029[20:04:52] <jmcnaught> could try 'systemctl --reverse
list-dependencies bluetooth.service'
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3031[20:04:58] <ratrace> ralpheeee: did you mask it?
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3032[20:05:09] <ralpheeee> ratrace: no what for...
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3033[20:05:19] <ratrace> ralpheeee: i understood you wanted to
prevent it from running
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3036[20:05:57] <ralpheeee> ratrace: understand the logic....but
its not really solving the root issue...the unmasking & then
starting service manually is pita
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3041[20:06:20] <ralpheeee> should just be start stop service....
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3042[20:06:25] <ratrace> ralpheeee: i wasn't sure
that's the case; did you try it?
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3043[20:06:54] <ralpheeee> will have a look <t tlp on
github...convinced tlp is the root cause...but would like to confirm
this 1st
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3050[20:12:33] <ralpheeee> ok think a bug fix was committed will
install tlp from sid
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3052[20:12:43] <jhutchins_wk> ralpheeee: Sript it.
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3054[20:12:51] <jhutchins_wk> Script
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3056[20:13:29] <ralpheeee> need to reboot...brb
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3070[20:17:39] <ralpheeee> yeah problem solve now...thxs guys
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3074[20:20:03] * ralpheeee thinking of running sid on x230
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3086[20:28:21] <stryker> Hello, guys! How are you? Is it possible
to use Google Authenticator on Debian instead of Android? If so, how
do I do?
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3092[20:30:38] <roflbot> stryker: you could use the google chrome
addon maybe? if that is what you need
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3123[20:51:11] <bouba> hi, i need driver for tptink ac600 t2uh
v2.0
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3133[21:00:14] <ansyeb> so, I prepared a l2tp vpn config file in
/etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/filename. its correct, it
works on other peoples systems(not sure which distros exactly).
I'm on debian 10. trying to 'nmcli connection up NAME
--ask' returns "unknown connection". and indeed I
cannot see the connection in like 'nmcli con show' even
after systemctl restart
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3139[21:03:16] <userbuster> boa tarde
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3141[21:03:51] <jhutchins_wk> !pt
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3142[21:03:51] <dpkg> Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em
portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join
#debian-pt )
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3143[21:03:52] <greycat> snake afternoon to you, too
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3144[21:04:54] <karlpinc> ansyeb: I don't suppose network
manager logs anything? That'd be the place to look. (Also, l2tp
FYI, in and of itself, is not a VPN.)
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3150[21:06:36] <karlpinc> ansyeb: You might best be served by
telling us what you are really trying to accomplish. (Something like
openvpn, stunnel, or ssh might be simpler.)
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3154[21:07:29] <ansyeb> already fixed. the file needed to be 600
precisely. not even like 644 works
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3155[21:07:43] <ansyeb> and then 'nmcli con reload'
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3248[21:59:25] <tommaso_> Hi all, I am trying to follow this
replaced-url
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3249[22:00:01] <tommaso_> but I get stuck when running
'find-dbgsym-packages' as apparently the
'debian-goodies' package does not contain such command :\
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3250[22:00:26] <tommaso_> mmmmh.. help?
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3251[22:00:29] <greycat> are you on buster, or some older
release?
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3252[22:00:46] <somiaj> I think you have to add a new repo for
the dbgsym packages, then just install packagename-dbgsym
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3253[22:01:16] <tommaso_> buster
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3255[22:01:35] <somiaj> ahh the wiki mentions the repo to add
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3256[22:01:45] <tommaso_> I did add the apt entry for dgb sym ..
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3260[22:02:24] <somiaj> well if you know the package name that
controls the binary you can skip the find-dbgsym-packages part
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3262[22:02:41] <somiaj> you can also use dpkg -S to get it,
though unsure why it isn't working.
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3265[22:03:15] <somiaj>
replaced-url
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3266[22:03:45] <greycat> I asked judd and judd also believed the
file is in that package.
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3267[22:03:51] <tommaso_> I have version 0.69.1
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3268[22:03:58] <greycat> ,v debian-goodies
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3269[22:03:59] <judd> Package: debian-goodies on amd64 -- jessie:
0.63; stretch: 0.69.1; bullseye: 0.84; buster: 0.84; sid: 0.84
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3271[22:04:03] <somiaj> that is not the buster version
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3272[22:04:06] <greycat> that is not the bu...
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3273[22:04:13] <tommaso_> lol
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3274[22:04:28] <tommaso_> anyway dpkg -S worked well
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3275[22:04:33] <tommaso_> thx
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3280[22:06:20] <tommaso_> how to upgrade from stretch to buster?
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3282[22:06:38] <greycat> dpkg, stretch->buster
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3283[22:06:38] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of
the <release notes>
replaced-url
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3293[22:11:19] <zenix_2k2> guys a bit help pls, so i was having
this error when i do "sudo apt-get update" -->
replaced-url
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3297[22:11:31] * greycat has a guess...
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3298[22:11:41] <gigirock> hi all
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3299[22:11:42] <zenix_2k2> and i know i added in a few keys which
are not verified but how could i remove em
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3300[22:11:45] <zenix_2k2> hello
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3301[22:12:01] <greycat> Nope, wasn't my guess. This is full
of Ubunut PPAs.
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3305[22:12:22] <greycat> !ppa
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3306[22:12:22] <dpkg> [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see
replaced-url
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3307[22:13:07] <greycat> (my guess was "apt suite
changed")
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3308[22:13:09] <jhutchins_wk> zenix_2k2: Remove the ppa entries.
We don't support ppas, and if they break your system you get to
keep all the pices. You might get somewhere by contacting the
maintainers of the ppa.
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