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8[00:02:05] <user03> hi, i created a 2nd lxc container an he get the same ip as the 1st, what can i do?
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53[00:26:25] <SpeakerToMeat> Is there any group I can join in stretch so that I can check dmesg without sudoing?
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81[00:37:11] <format_c> Entweder sudo sysctl kernel.dmesg_restrict=0 oder sudo echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/dmesg_restrict
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88[00:41:44] <SpeakerToMeat> Hmm ok
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101[00:45:19] <masterpiece> Hi, I have a question in debian/control file, How we can specify the exact version of a dependency? the launchpad.net does not recognize it
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103[00:45:25] <masterpiece> replaced-url
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105[00:45:42] <masterpiece> bison (= 2:2.7.1.dfsg-2)
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117[00:52:57] <user03> replaced-url
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161[01:15:14] <K-0s> buenas
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163[01:16:10] <K-0s> alguien por aqui???
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182[01:28:33] <CrystalMath> hi all
183[01:28:43] <CrystalMath> why is the stretch-backports repository so... empty?
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186[01:30:15] <Thedarkb-X40> Should all Atheros cards be okay under Debian/
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188[01:30:31] <Thedarkb-X40> I'm sick of all the trouble I've been having with my intel card.
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196[01:36:56] <t3st3r> Thedarkb-X40> I guess at least ath9k based should be fine.
197[01:37:32] <michael2> the problem with your card could be the firmware - which is beyond the scope of the debian project - more or less
198[01:37:54] <t3st3r> pci(e) ath9k do not need firmware at all, usb ath9k enjoys by opensource (wow!) firmware.
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200[01:38:11] <michael2> although I thought intel open sourced their wifi firmware?
201[01:38:42] <t3st3r> I haven't sver seen source of these huge blobs so I would like some proof of that...
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203[01:39:25] <michael2> it would be good if debian maintained a list of wifi adapters which were just known to not cause problems - so that next time we get a new computer - we just buuy the good wifi chips
204[01:39:27] <t3st3r> intel seems to run whole whopping operating system on card or pretty much close to this state.
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206[01:39:51] <Thedarkb-X40> My laptop is 13 years old so it uses those old mini PCI wifi cards.
207[01:40:24] <michael2> t3st3r: are you saying ath9k are good? is that a wifi adapte?
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209[01:40:42] <Thedarkb-X40> I had the firmware for it but it wouldn't work under Debian and wouldn't tell me why.
210[01:40:51] <Thedarkb-X40> It just kept spitting out "link not ready"
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213[01:41:59] <Thedarkb-X40> Are ath5k cards okay?
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215[01:42:12] <michael2> you have to query the syslog to find out if there was a problem loading the firmware
216[01:42:34] <michael2> the kernel tells you
217[01:42:36] <t3st3r> michael2> ath9k is a family of Atheros based ICs (chip sets) for wireless adapters.
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220[01:43:08] <Thedarkb-X40> michael2, There was nothing in the dmesgs or the syslog.
221[01:43:23] <t3st3r> ath5k should work, but they are kinda dated and wouldn't do anything beyond .g as far as I can remember
222[01:43:48] <Thedarkb-X40> I'm on 1 meg DSL so that doesn't really matter to me.
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224[01:44:44] <t3st3r> Well, if you really don't care and dont use other APs it could be okay I guess.
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227[01:46:31] <Thedarkb-X40> The card I have right now does support G
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229[01:46:49] <Thedarkb-X40> But it's got period correct linux compatibilty.
230[01:46:59] <Thedarkb-X40> compatibility*
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234[01:51:57] <xormor> I was messing up my Debian stretch desktop. I created a new user and gave Admin/Superuser privileges to my regular account. How do I revert? It is early morning hours here, and I have taken a benzo.
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237[01:52:50] <xormor> I shouldn't mix intoxicating psychotropic substances with my computing/computer use.
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243[01:58:03] <Thedarkb-X40> Hmm... You can get Atheros cards with g support in mini PCI still
244[01:58:10] <Thedarkb-X40> "for embedded use"
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247[01:58:49] <michael2> whats "g" support?
248[01:59:03] <Thedarkb-X40> High speed wifi
249[01:59:20] <Thedarkb-X40> Don't really know why I'm bothering for a 13 year old laptop I paid a fiver for.......
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434[03:53:51] <iulian_> hello, any way to install this in stretch replaced-url
435[03:54:20] <annadane> ,v mocicon
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437[03:54:21] <judd> No package named 'mocicon' was found in amd64.
438[03:54:31] <annadane> replaced-url
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441[03:55:37] <iulian_> moc-tray ?
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515[04:54:07] <crestfallen> hi I'm running the haskell compiler ghc through a package manager called stack. if I run ' $ stack ghc ./executable ' is there a unix command to copy the output to the next command line? i.e. so I don't need to copy and paste the output
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529[05:00:05] <kmurphy4> > $file; cat $file ?? crestfallen
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531[05:00:21] <somiaj> they were not paitent enough to wait for an answer
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541[05:06:27] <ChmEarl> what is the ?? operator called?
542[05:06:54] <ChmEarl> is it a thing?
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545[05:08:42] <somiaj> ChmEarl: I think it was not an operator, but a question asking if that would work.
546[05:08:52] <karlpinc> ChmEarl: man dash (or man bash). The "?" character is the single character wildcard in shell. (or ask in #bash)
547[05:09:15] <karlpinc> somiaj: Me too. But I felt like showing off. ;-)
548[05:09:20] <somiaj> karlpinc: (:
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555[05:13:05] <CrystalMath> oh i think i discovered something
556[05:13:11] <CrystalMath> the debian package for zynaddsubfx
557[05:13:16] <CrystalMath> doesn't install the LV2 and VST plugins
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560[05:13:31] <CrystalMath> but it should be in packages zynaddsub-lv2 and zynaddsubfx-vst
561[05:13:40] <CrystalMath> i created these two packages locally
562[05:13:41] <CrystalMath> they work
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564[05:14:26] <CrystalMath> isn't that amazing? i might actually contribute something to debian
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567[05:16:26] <karlpinc> !tell CrystalMath about rfp
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569[05:16:31] <somiaj> CrystalMath: Is this a patch to the build options of the debian package, or are these packaged indepdnetnly?
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573[05:17:11] <ChmEarl> !rfp
574[05:17:11] <dpkg> Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See replaced-url
575[05:17:20] <somiaj> ChmEarl: /msg dpkg factoid
576[05:17:37] <somiaj> karlpinc: though in this case it might be more rfs, since the packages ahve been made.
577[05:17:52] <ChmEarl> somiaj, ok didnt know it was channel broadcast
578[05:17:52] <CrystalMath> the stuff gets compiled, but it doesn't get installed
579[05:18:05] <CrystalMath> so i created two more packages that install it
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582[05:20:04] <somiaj> CrystalMath: not quite sure how you created these new packages, but this sounds like something that could be a bug (maybe wishlist) to the current package. If you have a patch for the debian/ needed to build these other two packages during the build, submit the patch with your wishlist bug.
583[05:20:49] <somiaj> But it does sound like this is built from the same source (don't really know zynaddsubfx)
584[05:21:02] <CrystalMath> yes, i didn't change anything in the build itself
585[05:21:03] <karlpinc> somiaj: Thanks. I didn't know that factoid.
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587[05:21:19] <CrystalMath> somiaj: i just created two new packages in the control file and their .install files
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589[05:21:37] <somiaj> CrystalMath: I would file a wishlist bug and include your patch.
590[05:21:38] <CrystalMath> somiaj: so they copy /usr/lib/lv2/* to where it should be
591[05:21:49] <CrystalMath> and the other /usr/lib/vst/*.so
592[05:22:24] <CrystalMath> i installed these new packages and they work great
593[05:22:31] <CrystalMath> ok, i'll file a wishlist bug
594[05:24:00] <CrystalMath> somiaj: note that my base is the sid package
595[05:24:16] <somiaj> correct, you'll want to base your patch off the sid package.
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629[05:53:20] <spaceman> who uses KDE for Debian? What's the latest version of Debian now??
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634[05:59:21] <CrystalMath> somiaj: i guess it would be nice to RFP for libntk, it's rather lightweight, and zynaddsubfx can depend on it to get its new cool interface :)
635[05:59:26] <CrystalMath> somiaj: but that's optional
636[06:00:06] <CrystalMath> i'm too scared to build libntk... it has some strange binary-only build system
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639[06:00:40] <CrystalMath> probably not binary-only
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641[06:00:52] <CrystalMath> but they distribute it as a binary
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647[06:04:47] <CrystalMath> ah no, that's just a compressed python file
648[06:04:50] <CrystalMath> nevermind
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651[06:07:46] <Fathom> Hi, my laptop has no ethernet or wifi connection. I even plugged in a Libre friendly (from ThinkPenguin) usb wifi adapter and I get nothing. How do I get the laptop reconnected to the internet. It is Debian Stretch 9.4, 64bit
652[06:08:40] <Fathom> I used wicd network manager, still nothing
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654[06:09:53] <somiaj> CrystalMath: unless you wanted to deal with all the issues of ensure the source is debian compatiable and become a matainer, RFP would be a way to at least ask for such a thing.
655[06:09:53] <Fathom> How to get the ol wifi fired up?
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657[06:10:27] <somiaj> Fathom: first lets figure out exactly what wifi chipsets you have. lspci for pci (built in) wifi, and lsusb for usb wifi.
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662[06:11:27] <star> Does the daily snapshot of debian have broken ssh or firewall?
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664[06:12:03] <star> I unknowingly installed debian-testing instead of debian-stretch to one of my machines, and can't seem to SSH into it
665[06:12:10] <Fathom> I have a realtek RTL8187B wireless 802.11g wifi adapter
666[06:12:11] <star> Is this a known issue?
667[06:12:15] <Fathom> That's the Libre friendly one
668[06:12:56] <Fathom> and the onboard wifi is Ralink Corp RT5390 bgn
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671[06:13:18] <somiaj> star: debian doesn't ship with a firewall by default, and are you sure sshd was insnstalled during this install (it is optional)
672[06:13:28] <Fathom> somiaj, RTL8187B wireless 802.11g wifi adapter and Ralink Corp RT5390 bgn
673[06:13:44] <somiaj> Fathom: haha, I find it funny that realtek is libre friendly, you need non-free firmware for that.
674[06:13:46] <star> somiaj: iptables is a firewall isn't it?
675[06:13:52] <star> and yes, I installed the ssh server
676[06:13:57] <star> systemctl shows it's enabled
677[06:13:58] <somiaj> star: sure, but there is non rules configured by default.
678[06:14:11] <Fathom> somiaj, ThinkPenguin sold it to me as free as in freedom
679[06:14:28] <Fathom> somiaj, They charged me a lot for it
680[06:14:55] <somiaj> Fathom: oh wait, nevermind...I misspoke. I guess I'm surprised realtek produces something that didn't use firmware
681[06:14:57] <rpifan> is there anyway to improve the sensitivity of my trackpad
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683[06:15:53] <somiaj> Fathom: lets check the output of dmesg, see if you notice anyting about the time you plugged in that device.
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685[06:17:23] <somiaj> Fathom: is this debian stretch. The wiki seems to be outdated, and I don't see support for the 8187B in the jessie kernel, let me double check some other info.
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688[06:18:59] <somiaj> Fathom: maybe try dmesg | grep -i rtl8187 or check lsmod | grep rtl8187, lets see if the module for that dongle loaded.
689[06:19:34] <Fathom> Other distros like slackware, Ubuntu, Sabayon, TrueOS it works out of the box--so I am sure Debian has everything and then some
690[06:20:30] <somiaj> I'm not familar with this paticular card, so trying to debug what the issue could be, lets first see if the module is loaded.
691[06:20:33] <Fathom> Even Trisquel it works
692[06:21:19] <somiaj> okay, but still that dosen't help debug why it isn't working.
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694[06:22:52] <rant> Fathom: thats the same card I'm using right now .. uses the rtl8187 drive but has a few quirks
695[06:23:06] <project80> somiaj, replaced-url
696[06:23:16] <star> somiaj: really not sure why I can't ssh in
697[06:23:19] <rant> somiaj: you have to disable the long interfaces names for it to work its a bug in the firmware
698[06:23:28] <star> I'm pretty sure everything is working
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700[06:23:34] <star> I guess I can try reinstalling the ssh server
701[06:23:39] <somiaj> rant: so the firmware is just onchip and not supplied by userland on that card?
702[06:23:42] <rant> somiaj: it will deauth if you try using it with the new interface naming scheme
703[06:24:07] <rant> somiaj: right it doesnt require any firmware, its old and natively supported.. just doesnt work with the new iface names
704[06:24:35] <rant> if need be I can check /etc/default/grub for the option
705[06:24:38] <project80> oldy mouldy
706[06:24:51] <somiaj> rant: I was more just courious if there is firmware, it is just on chip and not userland...but anyways, that is not of much help to the actual issue at hand.
707[06:25:07] <somiaj> star: you could use netstat or ss to see if sshd is atually listening on a socket.
708[06:25:19] <star> somiaj: it should, but I feel like there is another issue
709[06:25:34] <star> in my router, I can usually see the IP of every machine that's connected through ethernet
710[06:25:49] <star> but the IP of the machine with debian-buster doesn't appear in that list
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712[06:26:18] <somiaj> well by default debian doesn't block any ports or interfaces, and ssh should be up and running on all interfaces. Unless you installed something custom, I would double check it is running correctly, or there isn't something else on your network causing problems. (it could be a bug in testing, but for sshd I doubt it)
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714[06:26:21] <star> like wise, scanning my entire network for ips connected to the internet does not show it
715[06:26:31] <star> yeah same
716[06:26:37] <star> like the machine can ping google just fine
717[06:26:43] <somiaj> so this sounds less like an ssh issue, but a network issue, check 'ip a' and the network configuration.
718[06:26:46] <rant> somiaj: I didnt need to install firmware for it.. so unless its FOSS firmware in the kernel or something idk.. as the user said, it works OTB on linux, just not if it uses that new ifname scheme
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722[06:27:53] <somiaj> rant: I got that, but just because you don't have to supply additional firmware, dosen't mean there isn't firmware on the device itself.
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725[06:28:32] <rant> somiaj: yeah I understand that, and doesnt mean the firmware isnt included in the OS/kernel either.. I dont really know which is the case
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732[06:29:17] <rant> mine is in the form of a old netgear wg111v3 that has the RTL8187B and I know for a fact it wont work with the new ifnames it'll show up, show APs try to connect, but will keep deauth by local choice
733[06:29:45] <rant> you have to disable the ifnames and let it use wlan0 like the old days and it'll work
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736[06:30:10] <somiaj> star: I would start checking things, first check the network 'ip a', (is it static or dhcp), then check sshd is actually listening, you could list iptables rules with iptables -L just to make sure there is nothing there. But I cannot think of what could be the problem on a default setup.
737[06:30:54] <project80> rant, There are two cards. If I get one, that is fine, both would be a bonus
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739[06:31:39] <rant> project80: you are the one with the RTL8187B issue?
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741[06:31:51] <project80> rant, teah
742[06:31:54] <project80> yeah
743[06:32:01] <somiaj> project80: the ralink one on your machine, you should just need the firmware-ralink package.
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745[06:32:14] <rant> you need to edit the 10th line of /etc/default/grub to say GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0" then save it and run update-grub and remoot
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749[06:33:33] <rant> project80: if its scanning and finding APs but showing in the dmesg or logs deauth by local choice reaon 3 when you try connect then thos ifnames schemes are the issue
750[06:33:41] <somiaj> rant: My experience is most wifi cards that don't require firmawre have it on the device instead, so I find it strange that they are more libre. Though I think one of the atheros cards you can actually flash fully libre firmware on it (though this may not be legal depending on your location).
751[06:33:49] <rant> should be wlan0 not that long wclx0897214097 crap
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753[06:35:02] <awal1> the numbers are in fact the mac
754[06:35:48] <rant> yeah well dont ask me how, but somehow there is a bug that makes it not work with those idk how it even knows about it if its the firmware on the device as somiaj suggests
755[06:35:51] <somiaj> rant: wonder if disabling predicitable interfaces is best, or just using the systemd method to name it wlan0.
756[06:35:55] <project80> rant, according to my machine, I already have ralink drivers, but it still does not show any signal
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758[06:36:19] <rant> somiaj: idk if that is enough to solve it as I dont know how its affecting it in the first place :P
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760[06:36:42] <somiaj> project80: you need to isntall the firmware-ralink package from non-free as an additional package. The open drivers are in the kernel, but they need to load non-free firmware to work.
761[06:36:53] <rant> project80: drivers are in the kernel, most firmwares however are non-free and not included in debian's main repos
762[06:36:56] <somiaj> project80: dpkg -l | grep firmware will double check if you have the firmware installed.
763[06:37:29] <somiaj> project80: though I would first follow rants advise, disable the perdicitable interface naming, and get that libre card to work. You can then install the ralink firmware after if you want it too.
764[06:37:45] <rant> or dmesg|grep firmware
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766[06:38:03] <rant> because if a driver loads without firmware, it'll say so in the kernel msg buffer
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768[06:38:16] <project80> rant, somiaj replaced-url
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770[06:38:48] <somiaj> project80: you need firmware-ralink for the ralink device, which you don't have
771[06:39:31] <project80> somiaj, replaced-url
772[06:39:56] <somiaj> oh wait, nevermind, I shoudl look thinkgs up first, my memory is bad. firware-misc-nonfree should have it.
773[06:40:01] <somiaj> project80: what is the output if 'ip a'
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775[06:40:48] <project80> somiaj, replaced-url
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778[06:41:38] <somiaj> project80: looks like both the cards are loaded, is your problem wicd doesn't see them?
779[06:41:51] <project80> somiaj, egg-zactly
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782[06:42:27] <somiaj> wonder if wicd doesn't like the fancy new names. You could try network-manager, or just use wpa_supplicant.
783[06:42:41] <somiaj> or you could disable the fancy new names, and see if things just work better, and wicd is happier
784[06:43:09] <project80> maybe install wicd curses?
785[06:43:30] <rant> my personal advice is uninstall anything wicd and leave it alone
786[06:43:31] <somiaj> I doubt the curses interface would give you info the graphical one does
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788[06:44:09] <rant> it written in python, has a nice framework, al of which I approve uf but in my many years experience with it, its horribly buggy and causes nothing but obscure problems
789[06:44:11] <project80> rant, okie
790[06:45:06] <somiaj> I personally use wpa_supplicant in roam mode from my interfaces file and the wpa_gui as a simple config tool to change networks
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793[06:45:59] <project80> E: Unable to locate package wpa_gui
794[06:46:08] <project80> or supplicant for that matter
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796[06:46:11] <somiaj> it is part of wpa_supplicant
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800[06:46:50] <somiaj> package name is wpasupplicant, and you most likely already have it installed, it is needed for wpa networks, which are default these days
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802[06:47:01] <rant> ,i wpasupplicant
803[06:47:02] <judd> Package wpasupplicant (net, optional) in stretch/amd64: client support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i). Version: 2:2.4-1+deb9u1; Size: 949.2k; Installed: 2529k; Homepage: replaced-url
804[06:47:13] <project80> okay, I reboots and sees what happens
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807[06:48:02] <somiaj> ahh but I guess wpagui is a secondary package, not default, and I think you have to be in roam mode for this to work
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813[06:49:38] <project80> okie, Librefriendly adapter now functional, Thanks rant
814[06:49:56] <project80> (sings free software song)
815[06:50:11] <project80> I aspire to be a devout Stallmanist one day
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818[06:50:36] <project80> thanks somiaj
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820[06:51:06] <project80> I was out and had no wifi access and that was a bummer.
821[06:51:32] <somiaj> yea, seems wicd didn't like those newer names on your system, everything else looked fine.
822[06:52:00] <project80> somiaj, Moral of the story, buy more. Buy new. Buy frequently.
823[06:52:17] <somiaj> if you want to use a more manual method (over wicd) there is good docs in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant on how to configure it to be in roam mode with the interfaces file, then you can use wpagui (name of the package) as a gui tool to change networks
824[06:52:27] <somiaj> I like it because it doesn't require some third party networkmanager
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827[06:53:03] <star> somiaj: ip a showed that the dhcp did infact allocate me an address
828[06:53:16] <star> making this even more confusing
829[06:53:23] <somiaj> star: ssh localhost on the machine work?
830[06:53:30] <somiaj> star: if that doesn't, ssh -vvv localhost
831[06:53:37] <star> somiaj: what do you mean localhost?
832[06:53:46] <star> like connecting to the machine within lan?
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834[06:54:26] <somiaj> I mean on the machine that is having problems, connect to localhost (the machine itself)
835[06:55:05] <star> ssh into it's self?
836[06:55:10] <somiaj> yes
837[06:55:19] <star> lemme try
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840[06:58:17] <star> somiaj: yeah, I can ssh into myself
841[06:58:39] <somiaj> star: on that machine ssh ipaddress (now instead of localhost, ssh to the outside address, but on the same machine)
842[06:59:00] <somiaj> this does avoid some firewall stuff, but it sounds like the issue is more your network than this machine.
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844[06:59:23] <somiaj> also check iptables -L, iptables -t nat -L, to see if you have any rules.
845[06:59:26] <star> well the machine is very old (32-bit processor)
846[06:59:46] <star> also I did `iptables -L`, it just showed the default passthrough rules
847[06:59:48] <somiaj> I don't see why that should be an issue here.
848[07:00:25] <somiaj> anyways, the machine seems fine for everything you have tested. I don't really know what could be up with it and your network (since you seem to say other machines work just fine on it)
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851[07:00:49] <star> I have two other linux "boxes" that work just fine SSHing into
852[07:01:09] <star> it's just this one that seems to be acting odd
853[07:01:25] <somiaj> from those other boxes, you could try ssh -vvv bad_machine, (are you using ip or a name to access it)
854[07:01:29] <star> it's like it's not telling the DHCP server it will be sticking around
855[07:01:33] <star> won't*
856[07:01:35] <somiaj> you could also try traceroute from one machine to another, see if a conncetion makes it.
857[07:02:21] <star> the bad machine can ssh into everything else without a problem
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859[07:02:30] <star> but noone can ssh into the bad machine
860[07:03:42] <somiaj> did you try to ssh ipaddress from teh machine itself, and double check netstat -a to make sure ssh is listening on all intefaces (it should be)
861[07:03:59] <somiaj> seems strange, not sure what your network issue could be
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875[07:09:13] <star> somiaj: what's the netstat package name?
876[07:09:22] <star> netstat apparently isn't installed by default on this config
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880[07:09:47] <annadane> net-tools i _think_...
881[07:09:50] <annadane> could be wrong
882[07:10:01] <somiaj> star: yea, ss is the new replacment, and annadane is correct, the old tools are in net-tools
883[07:10:08] <somiaj> I just don't know ss, so I keep using netstat
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885[07:10:39] <annadane> N: Unable to locate package ss
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887[07:10:42] * annadane shrug
888[07:10:51] <somiaj> annadane: ss is the program name, it should be installed
889[07:10:51] <annadane> ,v ss
890[07:10:52] <judd> No package named 'ss' was found in amd64.
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892[07:10:59] <rant> besides having to tell someone to run ss over phone support would just be f'n annoying
893[07:11:23] <rant> type what? why do you keep hissing at me?
894[07:11:34] <somiaj> annadane: it is part of the iproute2 package, which 'important' so most likely installed.
895[07:12:01] <annadane> yeah that's installed on my system (sid)
896[07:12:16] <annadane> sorry, i mean, "yeah that's installed on my sssssssssssysssssstem (sssssssid)
897[07:12:51] * rant smaks annadane around a bit playfully with a large trout
898[07:12:56] <somiaj> I think ss = socket scan, though this is the manpage description, ss - another utility to investigate sockets
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901[07:13:56] <rant> I should make a shell called ofsh or the old-fart shell that just translates old commands into new ones :P
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903[07:14:11] <star> somiaj: ssh is active and listening according to netstat
904[07:14:18] <rant> make it all transparent so it just runs on top of dash or something
905[07:14:30] <somiaj> star: something about your network, though I don't know networking well enough to have much of a guess.
906[07:14:45] <star> I don't think it's my network
907[07:14:46] <somiaj> rant: need a whole shell for that? Not just aliases?
908[07:15:03] <rant> aliases wont translate command line args
909[07:15:04] <star> I think it's a bug with the current debian-buster
910[07:15:13] <annadane> "this command has been deprecated, dumbass"
911[07:15:14] <star> I can't see why it'd be a issue otherwise
912[07:15:21] <somiaj> star: if you can 'ssh outsideip' and it works from the machine, but other machines can't get to you, sounds like a networking issue. Try traceroutes, or ssh -vvv from those other machines.
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914[07:15:45] <annadane> which reminds me, i should find that package that abuses you verbally when you mistype commands
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918[07:16:10] <rant> annadane: well the good news is at least half the work of that is done for you
919[07:16:34] <rant> ,i thefuck
920[07:16:35] <judd> Package thefuck (python, optional) in stretch/amd64: spelling corrector of console commands. Version: 3.11-2; Size: 40.0k; Installed: 222k; Homepage: replaced-url
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923[07:16:46] <rant> and its written in python..
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925[07:17:13] <rant> should be easy enough to modify with a list of insults :P
926[07:17:37] <somiaj> though I think that works differently, I think you have to run that command after you misstype something to fix it
927[07:17:44] <somiaj> (haven't used it though)
928[07:17:47] <rant> I only know about this because I long ago developed a really stupid system of monitoring swear words in open source :P
929[07:18:08] * annadane considers writing virtualtorvalds
930[07:18:12] <rant> used to use it every time new kernel source came out before I compiled it to give me ideas where to look
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933[07:18:32] <rant> usage of swear words in linux kernel source have declined over the years
934[07:18:42] <somiaj> yea, that command only checks and fixes issue after the fact, it won't output anything if you type the wrong command.
935[07:19:17] <annadane> or virtualclippy, "i see you searched for clang, did you mean...?"
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937[07:19:30] <somiaj> though I wonder what it would take to hook into the shell to parse output if 'command not found' is returned
938[07:20:05] <rant> why stop at the shell, write a kernel module to handle file access when a file is not found
939[07:20:28] <star> somiaj: the result of traceroute replaced-url
940[07:20:54] <rant> /dev/insult
941[07:21:29] <somiaj> star: that looks like your router is causing the problems, also I notice that you are on two different subnets, is your routers netmask setup correctly (or maybe it is the netmask being deilvered via dhcp)
942[07:21:33] <somiaj> but it sounds like it is your network.
943[07:21:36] <rant> make a daemon that logs to /var/log/doh
944[07:21:49] <annadane> /dev/fakenull
945[07:21:56] <annadane> ln -s /dev/fakenull /dev/null
946[07:22:13] <somiaj> rant: yea, insults and curses are far less common these days, people still get suprirsed at some of dpkg's old factoids.
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948[07:22:28] <somiaj> dpkg: ls /home/rant
949[07:22:28] <dpkg> somiaj: I wish you would RTFM.
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951[07:22:40] <star> somiaj: would a different subnet be caused by having one machine connected through a switch, and the bad machine connected through ethernet to the wifi-router?
952[07:22:40] <rant> !yinzersmite somiaj
953[07:22:41] * dpkg pinches somiaj fer hawkin' stoled Stiller's tickets.
954[07:22:56] <star> the wifi-router is also connected to the main router through ethernet
955[07:23:05] <somiaj> !dpkg -l foo
956[07:23:05] <dpkg> ii foo 2.6-11 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
957[07:23:05] <star> this shouldn't cause different subnets
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959[07:23:48] <somiaj> star: the router seems to be only forwarding traffic from the 192.168.0.X network to the 192.168.88.X network, thsu why you can ssh from the machine to other machines, but the forwarding/masking is not working the other way. The issue is your network.
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961[07:24:14] <somiaj> make sure your routers are configured correctly, also check netmasks
962[07:24:37] <somiaj> but 192.168.0.X and 192.168.88.X by default are different networks unless you adjust netmask settings
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964[07:25:53] <star> somiaj: looks like you may be on to something
965[07:25:58] <star> but I think that's still really odd
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967[07:26:25] <star> I've plugged in a ubuntu laptop and a steam link into ethernet into my wifi-router and they both were given 192.168.88.X subnets
968[07:26:26] <somiaj> but as I said a while ago, the issue is with your network, and my networking foo is weak, having two different routes will create two subnets, and you need to configure the routers to forward traffic between them appropriatly if that is what you want.
969[07:26:44] <star> but my wifi router has given .88 subnets before
970[07:26:47] <somiaj> s/routes/routers/
971[07:26:58] <star> why would it stop doing that now?
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976[07:31:09] <somiaj> I have no clue, check your routers configurations
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978[07:33:44] <somiaj> also think about your overall network configuration, I don't know if ##networking could help you with that or not.
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1008[07:51:40] <sirwilliam> Hello all! How's everyone doing? I hope that all is well.
1009[07:52:40] <rant> for the low price of about US$500 all could be well
1010[07:52:57] <star> for the low price of a rope all could be well
1011[07:53:15] <annadane> for the low price of time travelling technology all could be well
1012[07:53:29] <sirwilliam> What's the best way to download only one dir from a debian mirror? Using the following doesn't work: wget -rc -np -R "index.html" replaced-url
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1014[07:53:50] <rant> damn.. just when I was hoping my offer would win, I changed my mind.. I like annadane's idea better
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1016[07:54:05] <somiaj> what do you mean by one dir? Are you trying to make a mirror, or do you mean like all of pool/f for all f packages?
1017[07:54:53] <sirwilliam> All of pool for a personal offline apt repo. Only way wget works is when I link each packages dir. That would take awhile, ha ha.
1018[07:55:22] <rant> sirwilliam: there are tools for making your own repo, and wget isnt really it
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1020[07:56:04] <sirwilliam> I've tried apt-mirror, but it downloads the entire repo and I only need the binary packages. lol
1021[07:56:04] <rant> dpkg mirror?
1022[07:56:05] <dpkg> The best mirror for most users is <deb.debian.org>; other mirrors are listed at replaced-url
1023[07:56:42] <somiaj> sirwilliam: does the machine that is going to host this repo have internet access? apt-cacher-ng is a psudo method, but not quite sure if it suits your usecase
1024[07:56:58] <rant> sirwilliam: for me personally I've only ever used an apt-caching proxy when I had a lot of machines, saves bandwidth and space/time by keeping local copies only of packages actually used
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1026[07:57:15] <sirwilliam> somiaj: computer I'm moving the packages to doesn't have a nic.
1027[07:57:27] <rant> and also has the benefit of staying up to date
1028[07:57:34] <somiaj> sirwilliam: download the first few dvd images, they'll have most the packages.
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1030[07:58:10] <somiaj> unsure how a local mirror would help if you don't have a nic, or were you gonna put it on usb?
1031[07:58:19] <rant> yes for an offline machine the dvd images would be simplest if you only want that one isolated machine to use it
1032[07:58:36] <rant> you dont have to burn them you can just mount them loopback as needed
1033[07:58:50] <sirwilliam> somiaj: I will try that out, yes am trying to store them all on the hard drive.
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1035[07:59:07] <sirwilliam> rant: thanks!
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1037[07:59:24] <rant> ,stats stretch
1038[07:59:25] <judd> (stats takes no arguments) -- Returns some statistics on the user database.
1039[07:59:31] <rant> stats
1040[07:59:34] <sirwilliam> I can download each package, but it gets old following all the dep for each package.
1041[07:59:35] <rant> ,stats
1042[07:59:36] <judd> I have 5 registered users with 7 registered hostmasks; 3 owners and 0 admins.
1043[07:59:46] <rant> hmm guess I dont know what I'm doing.. heh
1044[07:59:48] <somiaj> there are also ways to make custom cdimages, if you don't like the dvds
1045[07:59:57] <rant> tty sure judd can tell us how many packages there are and their size
1046[08:00:28] <annadane> dpkg: popcon
1047[08:00:29] <dpkg> i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at replaced-url
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1049[08:00:41] <annadane> actually that's not helpful
1050[08:01:04] <rant> pretty sure the backend judd uses can tell you the size of the repo
1051[08:01:14] <somiaj> there are a lot, and if you need packages that aren't on the first 2-3 dvd's, you'll have to use jidgio to make the others (thinks there is like 10+ dvds)
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1054[08:01:32] <annadane> s/jigdio/jigdo
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1057[08:01:48] <annadane> s/jigdio/jidgio/jigdo
1058[08:02:23] <rant> man you suck at exprssions
1059[08:02:37] <rant> both are wrong
1060[08:03:11] <annadane> all could be well, with time travelling technology...
1061[08:03:35] <annadane> i have no shame, it's not like this is being logged or anyt- god damn it
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1063[08:03:47] <somiaj> time travelling won't fix my ability to mess words up. words are hard.
1064[08:04:00] <rant> well I'm skeptical of that, but I wouldnt mind living in a simpler time and I suppose I wouldnt mind if you came along but something tells me you may rather go the other way :P
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1067[08:04:30] <rant> where annadane is heading words are deprecated :P
1068[08:05:19] <annadane> it will be like one of those movies where the protagonist tries to go back in time to right wrongs and pushes the lever too far and ends up in 65,000,000 BC
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1070[08:05:55] <rant> I'd be fine just goin back a couple hundred years and minding my own business :P
1071[08:06:10] <annadane> befriends the locals, saves the day, and in a deus ex machina moment somehow finds a way to charge the battery using rocks just enough to enable the machine to travel 65,000,000 years the other direction
1072[08:06:26] <jelly> !mirror size
1073[08:06:26] <dpkg> To see the size of the Debian archive for each architecture, see replaced-url
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1075[08:06:41] <rant> jelly: judd can't do that?
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1077[08:06:55] <rant> I swear I seen the bots calculate the mirror size or show stats before
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1080[08:07:09] <jelly> stats for what?
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1082[08:07:26] <rant> how many packages and their size for a particular arch/branch
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1084[08:07:51] <jelly> maybe it can, but I don't know how
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1086[08:08:22] <rant> well if you me and somiaj can't recall, then all is DOOOMED! heh
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1088[08:08:42] <jelly> or one can click on the link above
1089[08:09:09] <rant> xlixking links are HARDclicking links is HARD
1090[08:09:19] <rant> damn.. mosh you've failed me
1091[08:09:42] <sirwilliam> 274gb i386 lol
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1094[08:11:12] <jelly> ftpsync can be told to exclude sources I think
1095[08:11:59] <sirwilliam> I'll figure this out one day, lol. Don't want to give up and buy a usb wifi dongle, lol.
1096[08:12:31] <sirwilliam> If I could just download the /pool dir all would be well.
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1098[08:12:44] <rant> heh
1099[08:12:53] <rant> you realize the pool dir is all archs right?
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1101[08:13:05] <rant> which is more than that 274G by far
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1109[08:13:46] <sirwilliam> replaced-url
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1112[08:14:03] <rant> you cant manually download package pool, only something aware thats a mirror can do it properly
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1116[08:14:22] <rant> only then will it know the arch, which packages are all archs..etc
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1122[08:15:30] <sirwilliam> I've got all the req files in the dists/ dir for example /debian/dists/stretch/....
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1125[08:16:05] <rant> and how is whatever thing like wget suppose to parse those files isolate the arch you want and know which packages and versions in the pool belong?
1126[08:16:12] <rant> thats not only all archs, its all branches too
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1128[08:16:25] <rant> jessie, stretch, buster, sid
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1130[08:16:40] <rant> i386, amd64, armhf..etc
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1133[08:17:43] <star> Can someone tell me how the debian-netinstaller iso is packed?
1134[08:18:05] <sirwilliam> I've got those files from dists dir. And when I run apt upgrade it looks for the packages in /pool, which I haven't been able to download.
1135[08:18:27] <somiaj> star: what info do you want to know? Also read the docs, the hybrid .iso's are a bit complicated.
1136[08:18:30] <star> I previously tried installing Alpine, openSuse, tinycore all on this old machine, and debian seemed to be the only one that could actually installer
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1138[08:18:47] <star> I kept getting `isolinux.bin missing or corrupted` with every other distro I tried
1139[08:18:52] <rant> sirwilliam: apt upgrade only upgrades installed packages to the newest versions available in the cache
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1142[08:19:26] <rant> it will in no way help you build a mirror unless you have an apt-caching proxy in place
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1145[08:19:53] <rant> and it will only then mirror packages you have installed which have newer versions available in the cache
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1147[08:20:18] <somiaj> star: isolinux is a boot loader that the debian images do not use. I'm unsure on the details, but the bootloader on the debian iso's is hybrid and deisnged to boot from cd/dvd, and usb, also it supports legacy and uefi boot.
1148[08:21:03] <rant> the simplest solution for offline local package repo especially using the methods you suggest is to point wget at the DVD iso dir which will get you the first 3 ISOs with the most popular packages.. you'd have to use jigdo to build the rest
1149[08:21:42] <somiaj> star: #debian-boot in irc.oftc.net might have someone who knows some details about the actual bootloader the hybrid images use.
1150[08:21:52] <rant> there are about 50,000 packages in debian most of us are only using 2,000 or less, even people like me who had been using debian for over 15 years have probably not touched more than 10,000 of them ever
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1153[08:23:51] <rant> not even to mention things like probably 10,000 of them are useless on an offline machine
1154[08:23:51] <sirwilliam> rant: thank you. Figured it would be easier to just download them all then create a local repo so I can forget about manually downloading each dep from the website.
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1157[08:24:31] <rant> sirwilliam: probably right about that.. you should download the 3 dvd isos available and put them on that system and may never need more than that
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1159[08:25:05] <somiaj> even then, the first one or two might be enough.
1160[08:25:05] <sirwilliam> Each package has a dependency then it's dependencies have more dependencies, lol. It got old fast.
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1162[08:27:34] <sirwilliam> Got all the package lists for main contrib and non-free for i386, not I just need how to download the /pool dir. Gonna research mirroring and how to only mirror one dir and its subs.
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1164[08:27:53] <rant> sirwilliam: downloading the first 3 dvd isos will get you over 10,000 of our most used packages with all their deps
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1166[08:28:27] <rant> sirwilliam: you can store those locally on the hdd, mount them using mount -t iso9660 -o loop or via fstab even and add them using apt as your sources
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1168[08:29:11] <somiaj> why are you trying to reinvent the wheel, as mentioned ftpsync might be able to only download binary packages for your chosen arch and release
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1170[08:29:59] <rant> if you want to see what packages you will be getting try this oneliner after the $ for i in 1 2 3; do wget "replaced-url
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1173[08:30:36] <rant> you will have all the complete desktop environments and most used packages
1174[08:31:14] <rant> it's quick, easy, and gets you 1/3 the repo with its dependencies
1175[08:31:30] <rant> erm little over 1/5 rather
1176[08:32:06] <rant> still inelegant though where space is concerned cause as I said you'll have a ton of packages that are useless on a machine without network
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1178[08:32:30] <rant> but it'll only be about 12G and get you over 10,000 packages locally
1179[08:32:46] <rant> 10,335 to be exact
1180[08:33:02] <somiaj> it looks like debmirror should be able to do this, and only get the binary packages, though the dvd images seems the easiest to me.
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1183[08:33:42] <sirwilliam> thanks guys, really appreciate the help.
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1185[08:34:19] <somiaj> yup, debmirror has a --no-source option, and would automate everything
1186[08:35:16] <rant> you'll still wind up with over 200GB of data of which you'll only actually ever use about 2-3% of
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1190[08:36:15] <rant> and will quickly become outdated having downloaded it all for nothing
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1193[08:37:14] <rant> on decent modern broadband you can easily fetch the latest 3 dvd isos at any time, transport them using a cheap 32G thumbdrive and have probably all you'll ever need
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1195[08:37:49] <sirwilliam> Imma give the isos a shot man, does sound easier than setting up mirrors
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1197[08:38:41] <pingfloyd> sheesh, I have 1064 packages installed total
1198[08:39:07] <rant> used to be able to eat up as many isos as you wanted but now they only make the first few enough to get most of what people need.. hard asses gotta use jigdo to build the rest themselves cause its just a waste of resources as the distro doubles bout every two years
1199[08:39:16] <cef> pingfloyd: that few?
1200[08:39:32] <pingfloyd> cef: it's all I need right now
1201[08:40:17] <rant> I have 1609 installed, would install more but I'm space constrained.. my drive is an 8gb m2 ssd
1202[08:40:40] <somiaj> hmm, I feel like the one with the most bloat, 2603 here, and I don't even have a DE installed
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1204[08:40:42] <pingfloyd> I've got plenty of space
1205[08:40:48] <rant> only about 7 apps I use regularly not including things like my shell, file manager, wm, etc
1206[08:41:12] <pingfloyd> I don't ever use the tasksels during installation
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1209[08:41:35] <pingfloyd> just install 'base' and then whatever I need from there via apt
1210[08:42:04] <somiaj> I think it is all the building tools that add up after a while
1211[08:42:08] <pingfloyd> I even have xfce4 and virt-manager installed
1212[08:42:17] <rant> yeah I used to do that, but I let tasksel go and been weeding it out since I been away awhile and am not familiar with the packages much anymore
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1215[08:42:43] <rant> yeah I need to get rid of all the build deps I installed today..
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1217[08:42:51] <pingfloyd> you can always go behind the tasksel and mark the stuff you don't care about as auto
1218[08:42:58] <annadane> apt install deweeder - dependencies: libc6 ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... will use 700 MB space
1219[08:44:10] * Tywin has 19G on / currently and loves it
1220[08:44:18] <Tywin> I'm prepared for pretty much anything
1221[08:44:57] <annadane> screw plasma, never again, way too much work to maintain on sid
1222[08:45:03] <annadane> with the deps
1223[08:45:15] <rant> I have 8G total :P was prepping to at least setup a /home on a flashdrive if not offload /usr onto one
1224[08:45:43] <pingfloyd> I usually set / to 30GiB in size
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1228[08:46:13] <sirwilliam> On the offline machine, 283 packages, ha ha.
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1231[08:46:53] <pingfloyd> I think an offline machine, you'll want to install any package there is any question you may need
1232[08:46:56] <rant> 6-8G has been the size of any give tasksel desktop install for many years
1233[08:47:04] <pingfloyd> while online, you just bother with what you know you need right now
1234[08:47:23] <rant> with room for you to work that is.. though you may fail to dist-upgrade or do something massive like that
1235[08:48:23] <pingfloyd> /home can never have enough space
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1240[08:52:15] <cef> hah. was wondering why this vm install is taking so long. the underlying drive the vm is on is my old spinning hdd instead of my ssd. oops.
1241[08:52:39] <annadane> yeah, i really need to invest in an ssd
1242[08:52:48] <rant> I usually try keep root at about 10G or so, if I dont pre-plan to split off /usr, /var or such.. because you can always offload crap later as needed
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1244[08:52:58] <rant> especially now that there is not only bind but overlay
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1247[08:55:01] <rant> like if I needed to dist-upgrade this system I cant because /var/cache/apt/ doesnt have enough space to hold the packages, but I can just pop in a thumbdrive and mount it to /var/cache/apt to do the upgrade
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1256[08:59:15] <rant> the rootfs only needs to contain the base anything more is wasted space or failure to properly forsee usage and partition accordingly.. which beginners make a huge / and if you become more savy and yet still cant partition right, you learn to use lvm :P
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1265[09:01:42] <pingfloyd> I usually use LVM
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1267[09:02:13] <pingfloyd> just make the LVs the smallest sizes you think you'll need and extend as needed
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1270[09:02:30] <rant> I never tried it.. and dont use raid either unless its called for on a server.. its just one more thing in the way of recovery when SHTF
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1279[09:06:52] <rant> well that may be a lie.. I think I did try using it to combine two drives once but then changed my mind when I thought about what would happen once I had a ton of data on a failing lvm of multiple disks
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1304[09:15:08] <stevendale> Hey
1305[09:15:37] <stevendale> How do I use the bot to check what kernel is in experimental, if at all?
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1307[09:16:48] <michael2> I would ask how do I get the bot to tell me how to use it
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1309[09:17:03] <rant> ,v linux-image-amd64
1310[09:17:04] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-security: 3.2+46+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-proposed-updates: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 4.9+80+deb9u4~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u4; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u4; stretch-backports: 4.16+93~bpo9+1; buster: 4.16+93; sid: 4.16+93
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1312[09:17:31] <stevendale> Woah no 4.17-rc5 in experimental
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1321[09:20:40] <rant> real men make their own kernel packages :P
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1349[09:42:12] <jelly> ,kernels
1350[09:42:13] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.16.0-1-686-pae (4.16.5-1); buster: 4.16.0-1-686-pae (4.16.5-1); stretch-backports: 4.16.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.16.5-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-6-686-pae (3.16.56-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
1351[09:42:14] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.101-1)
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1401[10:06:15] <mcon> Hi, I'm having problems with IRC under debian. On several clients I get only the enter/leave notifications, no actual messages. What should I check? (I'm now on the same machine, under windows)
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1404[10:07:15] <michael2> you'll prob get better help in the channel for your IRC client
1405[10:07:15] <rant> when nobody talks thats all you get..
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1407[10:08:26] <rant> thats not the greatest advice because 1) user says multiple clients, and 2) upstream help often recommends you use the latest version before they waste time on pointless diagnostics and when they realize you're using debian a whole debian bashing begins
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1412[10:10:19] <AliceKelly> cef: you here ?
1413[10:10:38] <stevendale> Heya
1414[10:10:43] <AliceKelly> anyone interested in the stupidly simple fix i was looking for ?
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1416[10:12:14] <AliceKelly> hi stevendale
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1419[10:13:01] <rant> AliceKelly: I would imagine someone with the same issue looking for the same stupidly simple fix would
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1422[10:13:16] <rant> I personally have no idea what you're talking about
1423[10:13:47] <stevendale> I'm just messing with Wine Development in Debian Unstable :P
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1425[10:14:23] <killall> morning
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1428[10:14:32] <AliceKelly> if you get someone who gets lines in x wen it starts, in grub pass the kernel the option "no3d" aperently old ati cards dont like compiz
1429[10:14:37] <stevendale> Morning killall
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1433[10:15:31] <rant> AliceKelly: was the 3d all installed and working, i.e. firmware and such?
1434[10:15:54] <AliceKelly> yes. it was off live dvd
1435[10:16:19] <stevendale> I know the ATI Rage 128 cards found it old 32-bit PowerPC Macs would not start X without a custom X.org confiuration, kernel boot options as well as custom set video drivers both in modprobe/blacklist as well as the X.org config, and a custom screen depth
1436[10:16:30] <stevendale> Good thing Debian dropped 32-bit PPC to get rid of that nightmare
1437[10:16:35] <rant> heh
1438[10:16:40] <AliceKelly> works great on my newer lappy. just didnt like dell old lappy in 3d
1439[10:17:25] <stevendale> I use x86 (i686) Debian daily and it works great with mah Intel 915GM AliceKelly :D
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1441[10:18:06] <AliceKelly> been screwing with vsync and hsync and user groups and Xorg.conf and a dozzen other thigs beating my brains out all week
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1444[10:19:24] <AliceKelly> i got an old dell 600m for fre and i thought hey ill toss lnux oit. when it wouldnt run x right i got personal
1445[10:19:49] <cef> AliceKelly: oh what fun
1446[10:19:52] <AliceKelly> sorry for crappy typing
1447[10:20:00] <AliceKelly> hi cef
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1449[10:20:10] <stevendale> Dell Inspiron 6000 here AliceKelly, 32-bit single core Intel Pentium M 740 @ 1.73 GHz with 512 megs o' RAM ^^
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1451[10:20:36] <AliceKelly> cef: thefix was add the comand"no3d" in grub kernel line
1452[10:21:04] <AliceKelly> im runnig the 1.5ghz one
1453[10:21:08] <cef> AliceKelly: so that fixed things? what was the issue again? sorry been a long day
1454[10:21:12] <rant> stevendale: I got an IBM Thinkpad w/ Pentium M 1.8 & 1G ram, so I feel the pain :P
1455[10:21:14] <AliceKelly> with ati rv250
1456[10:21:34] <rant> though I'm now using my new thin client and much happier now :P
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1458[10:21:52] <stevendale> rant, I got my inspiron for about $44 Australian free shipping :D Spent another $30~ AUD for a brand new battery
1459[10:22:04] <AliceKelly> cef: i had lines when x started
1460[10:22:06] <k_sze[work]> I have an open lvm2 snapshot for my rootfs. How do I remove it? If I just try `sudo lvremove my_root_group/my_root_snapshot`, I get this message: Logical volume my_root_group/my_root_snapshot in use.
1461[10:22:13] <AliceKelly> cef: but the mouse was fine
1462[10:22:21] <stevendale> Will spend a bit more in a few weeks or months and max out RAM to 2 GB rant
1463[10:22:39] <stevendale> Maybe an Ultra-ATA/100 SSD would be a good upgrade too :D
1464[10:22:40] <cef> AliceKelly: ahh yes, sorry
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1466[10:23:17] <cef> AliceKelly: meanwhile, I seem to have issues of my own with a vm setup.. :/
1467[10:23:23] <AliceKelly> cef: yesterday... or was it sunday you and i brainstormed what could be wrong
1468[10:23:51] <AliceKelly> yuck v problems suck to fix
1469[10:23:56] <AliceKelly> vm
1470[10:24:19] <stevendale> Ouch probably gonna have to put in $80 AUD to get a 2.5" PATA SSD :P
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1472[10:24:35] <AliceKelly> cef: so if anyoe complains about horizontal lines again....its a 3d problem
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1474[10:24:54] <AliceKelly> stevendale: yummy ssd
1475[10:25:09] <AliceKelly> i dream of affording one someday
1476[10:25:34] <AliceKelly> i wounder if you can get linux on achromebook
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1478[10:26:04] <stevendale> You can AliceKelly :D
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1481[10:26:23] <AliceKelly> stevendale: almost sounds yummy huh ?
1482[10:27:22] <stevendale> Yeah AliceKelly hehe
1483[10:28:08] <AliceKelly> i got onfacebook groups begging for junk systems. this old lady gav me a chromebook all it needs isa psu
1484[10:29:15] <AliceKelly> someone else gave me 15 old core quad core systems without drives. im thinking... beaowolf
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1487[10:31:07] <stevendale> Got the EVE Online launcher running in Wine Development on Debian Unstable... so proud of myself :D
1488[10:31:38] <stevendale> Am on Openbox :D
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1490[10:31:45] <AliceKelly> wine is getting better all the time
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1492[10:31:54] <stevendale> Yeah :D
1493[10:31:55] <AliceKelly> i remember wen all it ran was calc
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1495[10:32:22] <rant> I hope thats not the reason you installed sid when its plenty simple to install muliple versions of wine on stable
1496[10:33:06] <stevendale> Nah for superior OpenGL rant ^^
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1498[10:33:13] <stevendale> And newer kernel and X.org
1499[10:34:05] <cef> so, anyone know how to get startx working as a non-root user without installing xserver-xorg-legacy?
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1504[10:36:43] <stevendale> uBlock Origin vs Adblock Plus?
1505[10:37:06] <Fox> uBlock Origin
1506[10:37:11] <jolt> stevendale: uBlock blocks more, bud Adblock lets some "not disturbing" ads through by default
1507[10:37:23] <jolt> So it depends on if you want to support or block totally
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1509[10:38:28] <AliceKelly> ok i want to run something else past you guys. ever heard of a bios locking down and not taking changes ?
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1515[10:41:08] <AliceKelly> cef: cant you write a blank .Xauthority in user dir and chmod it
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1517[10:41:33] <cef> AliceKelly: have that. doesn't seem to work
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1520[10:42:04] <rant> you cant put regular old oreos in the magic cookie jar
1521[10:42:18] <cef> ugh.. why is systemd trying to shut down gdm, when it's not started? *sigh*
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1528[10:43:17] <jolt> cef: No idea, but if systemd has a service to do something with gdm, then you should probably look into the service file and see what it is supposed to do?
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1535[10:43:43] <cef> jolt: yeah.. oh well.. more later.. time for dinner
1536[10:43:46] <jolt> especially if service gdm status says that systemd has it enabled or not
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1538[10:44:02] <jolt> (and it was shut down by some other means)
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1541[10:44:50] <cef> I shut it down with systemctl by changing the target to multi.user from graphical.user but oh well.. I'll try again later
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1549[10:45:52] <AliceKelly> kill -9 -1 lol
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1556[10:48:07] <AliceKelly> rm -r /
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1569[10:52:16] <jelly> AliceKelly: best not to write potentially harmful commands in here unless they're an answer to a very specific question
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1571[10:52:31] <jelly> not even as a joke
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1624[11:21:12] <Alicekelly> wahoo the wifi works too
1625[11:21:48] <enes> unable to install or uninstall "phpmyadmin" package, apt-get gives errors like this: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 10
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1627[11:22:23] <stevendale> Yay Alicekelly
1628[11:22:34] <stevendale> I got my proprietary BCM43228 Wi-Fi working too :D
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1630[11:23:12] <stevendale> I had to use a proprietary TP-Link USB dongle, which has the driver in the firmware-misc-nonfree, and use it with wpasupplicant to install broadcom-sta-dkms which compiled the wl module
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1632[11:23:33] <stevendale> Luckily it got installed when I installed Debian since I used the firmware installer
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1635[11:23:51] <Alicekelly> he proprietary one wont run the wpa password and i dont want my router open. but i had an extra usb nic
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1637[11:24:09] <stevendale> Have you installed wpasupplicant Alicekelly?
1638[11:24:44] * Alicekelly looks left then right ummm uh huh
1639[11:24:44] <stevendale> It is included on the debian installation USB/CD, or you can get it from the repos too
1640[11:24:55] <stevendale> Okie
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1642[11:25:16] <Alicekelly> ill insyall it. wpa supplicant
1643[11:25:24] <Alicekelly> install
1644[11:25:37] <stevendale> Alicekelly, sudo apt install wpasupplicant
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1649[11:26:28] <Alicekelly> understood. im going to enjoy it for 1 night till i break the installer
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1651[11:26:33] <totorux> Hi
1652[11:26:39] <Alicekelly> hello
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1654[11:27:11] <rant> toto, we're not in kansas anymore
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1657[11:27:47] <Alicekelly> every time ive had a good install and got things working i add an app and the whole apt system goes fluey
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1662[11:29:07] <likcoras> Alicekelly: Eh, apt has never let me down... what kind of fluey-dity are we talking about?
1663[11:29:30] <rant> apt has super cow powers, thats why
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1666[11:30:45] <Alicekelly> it always ends up with broken dependencies it cant seem to resolve
1667[11:31:27] <rant> Alicekelly: that usually happens when your sources/cache are FUBAR or you're installing random 3rd party packages
1668[11:31:42] <rant> or maybe you just haven't mooed enough
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1671[11:32:15] <Alicekelly> wpasupplicant is already the newest version (2:2.4-1).
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1674[11:32:36] <Alicekelly> moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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1676[11:33:46] <rant> yeah, unless you're looking for herdmates, you should generally keep your unhappy moos to yourself.. type "apt moo"
1677[11:34:07] <rant> dpkg, cow?
1678[11:34:07] <dpkg> cow is, like, a Turing complete language at replaced-url
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1680[11:34:21] <Alicekelly> apt-get update right ?
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1683[11:35:09] <rant> apt-get update is for updating your package cache
1684[11:35:43] <rant> ,v wpasupplicant
1685[11:35:44] <judd> Package: wpasupplicant on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0-3+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1.0-3+deb7u5; jessie: 2.3-1+deb8u5; jessie-security: 2.3-1+deb8u5; stretch: 2:2.4-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2:2.4-1+deb9u1; buster: 2:2.6-16; sid: 2:2.6-16; experimental: 2:2.7~git20180504+60a5737-1
1686[11:35:53] <Alicekelly> its been a while. forgot command to update sources
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1689[11:37:01] <rant> you dont update your sources you update your package cache
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1691[11:37:39] <rant> apt does all its searching, dep resolution, etc via the cache that is fetched from the sources when you update
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1694[11:38:32] <Alicekelly> update (apt-get(8))
1695[11:38:33] <Alicekelly> update is used to download package information from all configured
1696[11:38:33] <Alicekelly> sources. Other commands operate on this data to e.g. perform
1697[11:38:33] <Alicekelly> package upgrades or search in and display details about all
1698[11:38:34] <Alicekelly> packages available for installation.
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1712[11:41:09] <Alicekelly> ok or not
1713[11:41:37] <rant> when you need to paste more than a line, use paste.debian.net
1714[11:41:49] <Alicekelly> got iy
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1716[11:41:55] <Alicekelly> it
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1718[11:43:15] <Alicekelly> how to block join quit messages
1719[11:43:22] <rant> by package information it means cache.. which is what apt, apt-get, apt-cache, etc use to do everything othern than fetch packages and hand them off to dpkg
1720[11:44:06] <rant> Alicekelly: thats client specific in my client irssi you do /ignore <chan> JOINS PARTS QUITS
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1723[11:44:25] <Alicekelly> understood. symantics atm. one should update before install right ?
1724[11:44:51] <Alicekelly> rant: ty
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1726[11:45:03] <rant> not necessarily but it'd assure your cache is up-to-date before installing making sure you're not installing an old package
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1730[11:46:01] <rant> apt has no idea whats on the mirror.. it merely looks for certain cache files when you update then uses that for everything if your cache is stale it'll attempt to grab old packages which may or may not be available
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1734[11:46:46] <rant> well looks for is not really accurate.. it asks for/requests specific files as cache if they arent there or are not whats expected, it will error
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1736[11:46:59] <rant> it doesnt actually look first
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1738[11:48:33] <rant> to drastically over-simplify it apt is like wget and dpkg is like tar.. but both have this awareness of metadata in the cache and the packages themselves to help them have abilities beyond a mere wget/tar
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1740[11:49:19] <Alicekelly> Setting up wpasupplicant (2:2.4-1+deb9u1)... new version
1741[11:49:42] <rant> this metadata is cached locally in both cases and fetched by apt.. the package cache is used by apt and dpkg uses the metadata in the packages apt downloads for it
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1744[11:50:13] <Alicekelly> brb
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1759[11:59:27] <AliceKelly> on board sttill wont connect
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1771[12:01:58] <AliceKelly> btw Rant ty
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1813[12:22:52] <darsie> I got a beep and this message in the console. What's it about? replaced-url
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1819[12:24:19] <darsie> Is it important? If not, why beep me?
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1826[12:29:58] <stevendale> OwO
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1829[12:31:50] <sentor> hi
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1831[12:32:49] <sentor> install my server with encryption during the setup ...
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1833[12:33:47] <sentor> adding a keyfile via cyrptsetup and further steps -> replaced-url
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1838[12:35:05] <sentor> but i cant boot the server with the keyfile ...
1839[12:35:34] <sentor> is there a way to do this and is there a description for stretch?
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1911[13:18:04] <bites> sentor: where have you put the keyfile? you are trying to unlock your root partition?
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1914[13:21:15] <sentor> bites: /boot/<dir>/<keyfile>
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1917[13:22:13] <neglesaks> q: what is the correct prefix for adding a file to my sources.list ? synaptic rejects file:// and file:~
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1919[13:22:26] <neglesaks> a debian DVD image file, mind
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1927[13:25:27] <Fox> neglesaks: did you try to use apt-cdrom ?
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1934[13:28:14] <neglesaks> thanks Fox, on it now!
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1936[13:28:57] <Fox> you're welcome
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1943[13:32:34] <atralheaven> Hi
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1946[13:33:19] <AliceKelly> in order to use the onboard nic i have to make a hidden guest nework with no security
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1949[13:34:43] <atralheaven> I can't login to my server, I get public key error, what I did was removing zsh, and killing a ssh process which has -D, because I didn't have any connection with -D, reboot didn't work, new ssh key didn't work, I think I did a restart on ssh service too, I don't know what should I do
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1954[13:36:22] <atralheaven> ssh -v shows that ssh tries all the method for authing, and finally "Permission denied (publickey)."
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1956[13:36:53] <atralheaven> I also changed the permission for the ssh keys, that didn't help too
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1959[13:41:14] <Fox> what do the logs on the server say ? if you can access it another way
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1966[13:42:35] <atralheaven> Fox: I don't have access to them
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1969[13:43:16] <Fox> atralheaven: ls -ld $home/.ssh
1970[13:43:41] <Fox> atralheaven: ls -ld $HOME/.ssh sorry
1971[13:43:57] <atralheaven> I only use the server as a VPN server and for keeping weechat running on it, so it's always stable
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1974[13:44:40] <atralheaven> Fox: drwxrwxrwx , just for testing I set it to this
1975[13:45:04] <Vamp898> Hi, i want to provide (public) old Debian Images and you can get almost everything using Jigdo except 2.x
1976[13:45:12] <Vamp898> Does anyone here provide them for me to mirror them?
1977[13:45:15] <Fox> atralheaven: will never work like that, put it back to 700
1978[13:45:47] <Fox> altin: is your pub key 644 and the private key 600 ?
1979[13:45:53] <atralheaven> Fox: ok, both folder and files?
1980[13:46:01] <atralheaven> directory*
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1983[13:46:19] <Fox> altin: nope, dir only with 700
1984[13:46:31] <Fox> oupe, atralheaven
1985[13:46:38] <atralheaven> Fox: ok, I did
1986[13:46:39] <Fox> s/oupe/oups/ need some sleep
1987[13:46:52] <Fox> atralheaven: the keys too ?
1988[13:46:52] <atralheaven> what about the files? what should their permission be?
1989[13:47:11] <Fox> atralheaven: pub key 644 and private key 600
1990[13:47:43] <atralheaven> done
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1992[13:48:05] <atralheaven> still not working btw
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1995[13:48:39] <Fox> atralheaven: try to ssh with -vvv and paste the result somewhere
1996[13:48:45] <atralheaven> it happened after removing zsh from server, can't it be the reason?
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1998[13:49:31] <Fox> shouldn't no
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2007[13:52:09] <atralheaven> Fox: replaced-url
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2014[13:57:02] <darsie> I got a beep and this message in the console. What's it about? replaced-url
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2029[14:07:55] <aotirez> hello
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2031[14:08:11] <aotirez> i want to install non-free program without touching repositories. how can i do that if possible?
2032[14:08:35] <jolt> darsie: hard to say, is there more output if you run dmesg?
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2036[14:10:32] <stevendale> aotirez, you'll have to go to the debian package site and download the package from the nonfree repo yourself along with any of its nonfree dependencies
2037[14:10:40] <stevendale> Then run 'sudo apt-get -f install'
2038[14:11:03] <aotirez> i found what i want in the website but i didnt understand what you meant
2039[14:11:10] <aotirez> for example im looking for unrar package of non-free
2040[14:11:15] <darsie> jolt: Indeed. thx replaced-url
2041[14:12:35] <aotirez> i got it work. it works now
2042[14:12:39] <jolt> darsie: alright, so something bad happened in firefox, and ti got so bad it triggered a page dump that affected the kernel, and maybe that is why it beeped
2043[14:12:43] <aotirez> f* it. why it didnt work
2044[14:12:48] <aotirez> it doesnt make any sense!
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2046[14:13:31] <aotirez> stevendale: im looking for unrar where can i find it for nonfree
2047[14:13:45] <jolt> darsie: do you have swap on that computer?
2048[14:13:45] <darsie> jolt: Could that be a kernel security vuln?
2049[14:13:50] <darsie> jolt: yes
2050[14:14:03] <darsie> none used, though.
2051[14:14:45] <darsie> I recently rebooted my computer. It typically happens after booting.
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2055[14:17:56] <jolt> darsie: Na, but you could report it as a bug, might be how firefox does something when it clears memory or whatnot. Totally out of my leauge
2056[14:18:11] <darsie> k. thx
2057[14:18:23] <darsie> I reported it to ff.
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2059[14:18:51] <jolt> awesome!
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2061[14:19:01] <jolt> darsie: Well done! Now have a beer to thank yourself!
2062[14:19:04] <darsie> in their IRC channel.
2063[14:19:32] <darsie> I don't do beer.
2064[14:20:09] <jolt> darsie: Have a beverage of your favorite choiche then!
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2066[14:20:20] <Haohmaru> pepsi!
2067[14:20:31] <darsie> I'll just keep eating my muesli.
2068[14:20:59] <jolt> Haohmaru: Pepsi Max Lime!
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2072[14:21:27] <Haohmaru> ;]
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2078[14:27:34] <The_Ball> I'm trying to package mhvtl with dh_make. "debuild -i -us -b" will compile and start installing the files, but it stops on a man page. It is missing the owner: install -o mhvtl.1 /home/user/mhvtl/debian/mhvtl/usr/share/man/man1/
2079[14:27:57] <The_Ball> The -o should have a owner argument... Any idea where I have gone wrong?
2080[14:28:05] <The_Ball> "install: missing destination file operand after '/home/editshare/mhvtl/debian/mhvtl/usr/share/man/man1/'"
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2083[14:29:41] <Fox> atralheaven: sorry had to leave, do you know where ed25519 could come from in the logs ?
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2090[14:33:17] <atralheaven> Fox: I think it's checking the places that the key may be there, I don't know
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2092[14:33:54] <stevendale> Hey Fox
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2095[14:34:02] <Fox> hi stevendale
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2100[14:35:27] <Fox> atralheaven: when you removed zsh are you sure it only removed zsh ?
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2102[14:35:51] <Fox> atralheaven: what's the name of your public key ?
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2105[14:36:13] <stevendale> aotirez (They left anyway): replaced-url
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2107[14:38:20] <MyStartx> Hi guys. I was installed tor on my chroot debian jessie and tor service was started succesfuly but when i looked in tor log i found a warn : "Error creating network socket: Permission denied ". How can i solve this ? Thank you
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2151[14:58:33] <Fox> atralheaven: could you remove everything from your ~/.ssh/ except the key you want to use to connect ?
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2192[15:19:02] <karlpinc> The_Ball: replaced-url
2193[15:19:02] <karlpinc> ging-practices might help
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2195[15:19:41] <atralheaven> Fox: I finally got access to my server from the console of the VPS control panel
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2198[15:20:39] <atralheaven> Fox: stupid zsh, that was causing it! it didn't set my default shell back to bash after removing zsh
2199[15:21:02] <atralheaven> Thank you for your help fox
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2203[15:24:23] <Psi-Jack> Has anyone here ever done a successful Debian 7->8 upgrade without problems, from an existing system that's actually been in use? heh
2204[15:24:34] <jelly-home> !anyone
2205[15:24:35] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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2208[15:24:57] <Psi-Jack> Don't stop at the word "anyone" on this one. It'll become more clear. :p
2209[15:25:08] <jelly-home> ask your real question please
2210[15:25:19] <Psi-Jack> That was actually my real question.
2211[15:25:26] <jelly-home> yes, dozens
2212[15:25:32] <jelly-home> you're welcome
2213[15:25:36] <jelly-home> !next
2214[15:25:36] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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2218[15:27:02] <jelly-home> most but not all done without switching over to new default init
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2220[15:27:18] <Psi-Jack> Ahhhh.. Without switching?
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2224[15:29:37] <jelly-home> !jessie sysvinit
2225[15:29:37] <dpkg> To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: replaced-url
2226[15:29:48] <mdlpe> hi, I installed twice debian 8 (net install wifi) After Debian doesn't want to connect to my network anymore. An idea ?
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2229[15:30:00] <mdlpe> ** Debian 9
2230[15:30:20] <jelly-home> Psi-Jack: mind you, I'm just wildly throwing ideas around because you didn't pose an actual tech issue
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2232[15:32:04] <jelly-home> mdlpe: perhaps the firmware necessary for wifi, that was present in the installer, disappeared after installation? Is there anything about firmware not loaded in dmesg output? Which wifi card?
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2235[15:33:28] <pingfloyd> mdlpe: did you try the unofficial netinst image that comes with non-free firmware?
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2238[15:34:55] <mdlpe> jelly-home: it's a alpha network 036nh. I didn't change the wifi card after install. How I can check if the firmware needs is in my debian ?
2239[15:35:46] <jelly-home> mdlpe: we'll have to find out which particular chip/chipset is inside. Do you see it in "lsusb" or "lspci -nn" output?
2240[15:35:48] <mdlpe> pingfloyd: I'm not sure
2241[15:35:51] <pingfloyd> replaced-url
2242[15:36:16] <pingfloyd> !firmware images
2243[15:36:16] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
2244[15:36:53] <pingfloyd> mdlpe: that's what I use
2245[15:37:19] <pingfloyd> since connecting to ethernet during installation isn't an option in my case
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2248[15:37:57] <mdlpe> ping pingfloyd, thanks. for the chipset is a Ralink rt2870/rt3070 firmware
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2254[15:39:57] <pingfloyd> you might want to make sure you install network-manager or the like during install so you can easily reconnect after first boot
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2257[15:40:30] <mdlpe> ok, if I download this image : replaced-url
2258[15:40:35] <pingfloyd> i.e., avoid a situation where you're stuck because you can't connect to the network to install further needed packages.
2259[15:40:44] <mdlpe> it schould works after reboot no ?
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2261[15:41:05] <pingfloyd> I usually use the netinst version myself
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2264[15:41:46] <pingfloyd> depends how many packages you want available when you're in the installer
2265[15:41:55] <pingfloyd> available locally
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2271[15:45:41] <karlpinc> mdlpe: You probably want the unofficial netinstall with non-free firmware included. _That_ will work after reboot.
2272[15:46:28] <karlpinc> !tell mdlpe about firmware images
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2274[15:47:24] <mdlpe> karlpinc: I hope. I will try. I do not understand how i can install from wifi and not be able to connect to the same network after the installation is completed
2275[15:47:29] <karlpinc> mdlpe: But looking at your URL, what you have will work. You just downloaded a whole lot of stuff that you don't need.
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2278[15:48:01] <mdlpe> karlpinc: I'm downloading the non-free net install image
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2280[15:48:33] <karlpinc> mdlpe: It all depends on how much you install. A minimal install won't have say GUI tools that set up wifi, I believe.
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2282[15:48:54] <karlpinc> mdlpe: That will work. The netinstall is a whole lot smaller and everything you download is installed.
2283[15:49:10] <karlpinc> mdlpe: A DVD image will have stuff on it that you don't install.
2284[15:49:23] <karlpinc> mdlpe: Are you going to burn it to DVD?
2285[15:49:43] <mdlpe> karlpinc: The net non-free image is done. I will try and I hope it works
2286[15:50:23] <karlpinc> mdlpe: Just don't use something like unetbootn. Follow the instructions in the debian install guide. It will work.
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2290[15:51:07] <mdlpe> karlpinc: ok thanks for the help. I'll be back soon
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2325[16:11:35] <kai_w> I have the error: 'ticket is likely out of date' from rpc.svcgssd. where is the kerberos ticket stored so I can clear it?
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2355[16:26:35] <lavenders> how come $ sudo apt-get build-dep wireshark is available but no .deb package?
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2357[16:27:41] <jelly-home> lavenders: which debian release and architecture?
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2359[16:28:05] <jelly-home> !debian suite
2360[16:28:06] <dpkg> cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions.
2361[16:28:11] <jelly-home> and "dpkg --print-architecture"
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2364[16:30:09] <lavenders> <amd64 is what ig ot
2365[16:30:17] <jelly-home> and debian release?
2366[16:30:23] <lavenders> deb9
2367[16:30:34] <jelly-home> ,v wireshark --arch amd64
2368[16:30:35] <judd> Package: wireshark on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.8.2-5wheezy18; wheezy-backports: 1.12.1+g01b65bf-4~bpo70+1; wheezy-security: 1.12.1+g01b65bf-4+deb8u6~deb7u10; jessie: 1.12.1+g01b65bf-4+deb8u11; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.12.1+g01b65bf-4+deb8u13; jessie-security: 1.12.1+g01b65bf-4+deb8u13; jessie-backports: 2.2.4+gcc3dc1b-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.2.6+g32dac6a-2+deb9u2; stretch-security:
2369[16:30:36] <judd> 2.2.6+g32dac6a-2+deb9u2; buster: 2.4.6-1; sid: 2.4.6-1
2370[16:31:08] <jelly-home> looks like version 2.2.6+g32dac6a-2+deb9u2 should be available for installation in stretch (debian 9), lavenders
2371[16:31:08] <lavenders> and i wanted to build from source, thx
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2373[16:31:33] <jelly-home> lavenders: hm, okay, which deb package are you asking about, then
2374[16:32:23] <lavenders> thank you it solved my problem, i did not know there is a .deb pkg, which i am using right know, because their website has none listed, but works fine now :)
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2377[16:33:17] <jelly-home> lavenders: you can "apt-cache search something" to find out if something related is available in your debian release
2378[16:33:51] <jelly-home> (as a binary .deb package)
2379[16:34:02] <dzove855> hii, just a little question, is there a reason why debian use now systemd?
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2384[16:38:16] <alkisg> dzove855: replaced-url
2385[16:38:34] <dzove855> alkisg: thanks!
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2391[16:42:57] <dovah> hi there
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2393[16:43:08] <dovah> i'm downloading a debian iso
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2395[16:43:16] <dovah> with the cinnamon desktop
2396[16:43:23] <dovah> and i have a question..
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2399[16:43:40] <Tenkawa> ask
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2401[16:43:55] <dovah> there's a cinnamon.iso file, a cinnamon.contents and a cinnamon.log
2402[16:44:08] <petn-randall> dovah: Where are you downloading this from?
2403[16:44:25] <dovah> i was going to download only the .iso but i don't know what the other 2 are
2404[16:44:40] <dovah> petn-randall, debian.org
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2406[16:44:53] <petn-randall> dovah: I don't see any cinnamon.iso there.
2407[16:45:10] <dovah> replaced-url
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2411[16:45:51] <petn-randall> dovah: Ah, those are the live images. Right.
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2413[16:46:20] <dovah> petn-randall, yeah.. should i download the contents and log also?
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2415[16:46:26] <petn-randall> dovah: the .log is the build log, and .contents just list the file contents.
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2417[16:46:40] <dovah> oh and there is also a cinnamon.packages
2418[16:46:42] <Tenkawa> the log file and content files are just part of the output of the creation process right?
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2420[16:46:56] <Tenkawa> they should be ingnored
2421[16:47:01] <petn-randall> dovah: It's not needed to use the live image. It's just there in case people ask "Does the iso contain X?" or "Was the iso built with Y?"
2422[16:47:04] <dovah> so i don't need them right?
2423[16:47:40] <Tenkawa> you are interested in the .iso and the sums
2424[16:47:46] <Tenkawa> to verify
2425[16:47:56] <Tenkawa> if you want to verify
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2427[16:48:15] <ncopa> hi
2428[16:48:23] <dovah> ok thank you
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2430[16:48:37] <Tenkawa> that should be all you need from here
2431[16:48:44] <dovah> yeah sure
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2433[16:48:58] <Tenkawa> no problem. good luck and have fun
2434[16:49:00] <dovah> well... i'm not a noob
2435[16:49:03] <ncopa> as i understand, the debian bug tracking system is email based. How can i respond to a give bug # using email?
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2437[16:49:22] <ncopa> i'd like to post a patch for replaced-url
2438[16:49:23] <dovah> but i didn't know what those files where supposed to be on debian.org
2439[16:49:24] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2441[16:49:37] <jelly-home> ncopa: just send a message to 3215234@bugs.debian.org
2442[16:49:53] <jelly-home> (replace left side with actual bug number)
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2444[16:50:18] <ncopa> jelly-home: I asumed it was something trivial like that. Thank you very much!
2445[16:50:22] <Tenkawa> man i really need to get more of thesr batteres
2446[16:50:26] <Tenkawa> er batteries
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2450[16:51:24] <Tenkawa> 5A capacity 2.1A/1A 2 plug output and its tiny
2451[16:51:29] <jelly-home> ncopa: if you also put in a line saying "Tag: patch" as first line of body, or as an actual header, and include a unified diff as attachment, I suspect people will be grateful
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2460[16:57:59] <ncopa> jelly-home: thanks for the tip!
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2486[17:09:02] <depesz> hi. i have a box on debian sid, and don't quire understand why it doesn't mount cifs filesystem on system boot. entry in fstab is: "//hostname.of.server/Media/ /media/MEDIA cifs guest,ro 0 0"
2487[17:09:25] <depesz> if I run "mount /media/MEDIA" from root shell - it works
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2510[17:23:35] <m3x1m0m> I am looking for some ucode files for an Intel PC WLAN HW. The installer asks for it: iwlwifi-8000C-xx.ucode. Where do I find these?
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2514[17:27:47] <tubaman> m3x1m0m: apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi
2515[17:28:00] <tubaman> what intstaller are you using?
2516[17:28:33] <m3x1m0m> @tubaman: Thanks for your answer. A bit hard without internet access :D
2517[17:28:38] <m3x1m0m> The network installer.
2518[17:28:41] <tubaman> netinst?
2519[17:28:49] <m3x1m0m> Yes.
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2521[17:29:19] <tubaman> Try the non-free netinst. It includes the firmware
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2523[17:29:22] <tubaman> replaced-url
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2541[17:39:21] <Trel> What is the absolute minimum I need to install in Debian Stretch to get syntax highlighting in VIM?
2542[17:39:37] <Trel> I know installing vim-gui-common and vim-gtk will do it
2543[17:39:48] <Trel> but that's huge for a non-gui server
2544[17:39:59] <graff> Trel: probably just need to active it :setcolor or some such
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2546[17:40:06] <graff> i forget the exact command
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2548[17:41:00] <domovoy> hi
2549[17:41:17] <graff> :syntax on
2550[17:41:24] <Trel> graff: vim.tiny doesn't support that
2551[17:41:33] <graff> ah ok
2552[17:41:47] <mpmc> graff: failed to set syntax.
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2554[17:42:06] <graff> so there is a package required for it?
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2556[17:42:16] <graff> anyway, sry. guess I was unhelpful
2557[17:42:41] <Trel> Definitely a different version and vim-gtk installs is, but I can't figure out which one and if I can install it alone
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2561[17:43:26] <graff> ah actually that worked for with normal vim on my more or less default install of jessie
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2563[17:44:03] <graff> you don't want to use vim replacement imo. they are more meant for system resuce and won't result in any real improvements in system speed
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2565[17:44:35] <Trel> Not sure what you mean by vim replacemnt.
2566[17:44:39] <graff> and because these are all dynamically linked programs the actual foot print of adding a new program is entirely low
2567[17:44:47] <graff> Trel: like busybox vi or something
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2570[17:45:02] <RoyK> Trel: vim-tiny sucks :)
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2573[17:45:12] <graff> thank you RoyK :)
2574[17:45:15] <domovoy> how can i know (from a script) if a package providing "foo" is installed? i.e. apt-get install nginx-light; dpkg-query -W -f='${db:Status-Abbrev}' httpd will make dpkg-query print 'un ', even if nginx-light provides httpd
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2576[17:45:42] <nkuttler> domovoy: does it have to be a package?
2577[17:45:47] <RoyK> just install vim - that's vim-basic or something (package is called vim)
2578[17:45:51] <Trel> Ah I agree, that's why I want the one that has syntax highlighting, but I don't know which it is, vim-gtk provides it, but it installs a ton of GTK stuff as well which I obviously don't want
2579[17:45:51] <RoyK> it works
2580[17:46:07] <graff> apt-get install vim should do it
2581[17:46:09] <domovoy> nkuttler> no, i just need to know if i have httpd installed on my system
2582[17:46:13] <RoyK> graff++
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2584[17:46:59] <Trel> Got it! vim and vim-runtime is what I needed
2585[17:47:00] <Trel> Thanks everyone
2586[17:47:02] <nkuttler> domovoy: command -v foo ?
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2588[17:47:17] <Led_Zeppelin> are there any GNU utilities which do templatating? i prefer something native.
2589[17:48:08] <domovoy> nkuttler> command -v httpd gives me nothing
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2593[17:49:08] <nkuttler> domovoy: so you want to know if you have any package installed that provides "a httpd"
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2595[17:49:21] <domovoy> nkuttler> yes
2596[17:49:24] <nkuttler> domovoy: or if the user has anything on their PATH that acts as a httpd
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2598[17:49:36] <noodlepie> Led_Zeppelin, C++ compiler and python
2599[17:49:56] <noodlepie> Led_Zeppelin, Doe you mean html/xml templating, or code templates?
2600[17:49:59] <noodlepie> Or office templates
2601[17:50:42] <domovoy> nkuttler> i want to know if anything (i guess it will be a package, can't think of something else) provides httpd
2602[17:51:06] <Led_Zeppelin> noodlepie, code templates. nginx.conf generation to be exact
2603[17:51:09] <domovoy> and that "anything" is actually installed
2604[17:51:19] <nkuttler> domovoy: aptitude search "?provides(httpd)"
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2606[17:51:35] <noodlepie> domovoy, The Apache and Nginx web server packages?
2607[17:51:37] <nkuttler> and providing a httpd doesn't mean there is a http binary
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2609[17:51:44] <jelly-home> domovoy: apache's binary is called apache2 on Debian, not "httpd", and debian does not have file dependencies so you have to look for virtual package names
2610[17:52:05] <noodlepie> Led_Zeppelin, config templates?
2611[17:52:07] <jelly-home> ,provides httpd
2612[17:52:08] <judd> No package named 'httpd' was found in stretch/amd64.
2613[17:52:13] <jelly-home> ,whatprovides httpd
2614[17:52:14] <judd> Package httpd in stretch/amd64 is provided by: aolserver4-core, aolserver4-daemon, apache2, ebhttpd, lighttpd, micro-httpd, mini-httpd, nginx-extras, nginx-full, nginx-light, ocsigenserver, tntnet, webfs, yaws.
2615[17:52:16] <domovoy> nkuttler> aptitude is not on this system
2616[17:52:26] <nkuttler> domovoy: what are you trying to do anyway
2617[17:52:29] <noodlepie> apt-cache search web | grep server | most
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2619[17:52:57] <Led_Zeppelin> noodlepie, yeah. config templates I suppose. basically, when I run locally in a docker container I need to setup some stuff in nginx.conf but in production i don't need it. Not sure what is a better way to do it.
2620[17:53:02] <domovoy> nkuttler> check if "a httpd" is installed, if not, warn about it and stop there
2621[17:53:07] <jelly-home> domovoy: if you need aptitude, just install it
2622[17:53:09] <nkuttler> domovoy: why
2623[17:53:31] <RoyK> aptitude?
2624[17:54:17] <domovoy> nkuttler> because i don't want my script to continue if there is no httpd installed?
2625[17:54:19] <noodlepie> Led_Zeppelin, the M4 and cpp preprocesors may help you!
2626[17:54:29] <nkuttler> domovoy: what does your script do
2627[17:54:53] <noodlepie> Sendmail config uses M4 and GNU C++, the cpp preprocessor. Nginx config probably does little to help you
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2630[17:55:10] <RoyK> domovoy: I use zabbix for monitoring - works well
2631[17:55:12] <tw> cpp is not gnu C++.
2632[17:55:20] <domovoy> nkuttler> some stuff related to the config of a http server? like adding a virtual host or whatever
2633[17:55:47] <nkuttler> domovoy: that doesn't seem to make much sense
2634[17:56:08] <domovoy> nkuttler> why not?
2635[17:56:11] <nkuttler> domovoy: if you have a random httpd installed, can you parse all different config file formats? etc
2636[17:56:23] <tw> I do exactly that with nginx and M4.
2637[17:56:25] <nkuttler> domovoy: and why don't you just install whichever httpd you expect?
2638[17:56:41] <nkuttler> domovoy: or build a debian package that depends on a httpd providing package
2639[17:57:15] <nkuttler> domovoy: besides, why do you even need a httpd installed? if you want to rewrite config files, just do that
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2641[17:57:55] <domovoy> nkuttler> maybe i'll do that later, for now i just want to know if "a httpd" is installed. is there any way that avoids installing aptitude?
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2644[17:58:52] <jelly-home> domovoy: check whether any of packages that "Provides: httpd" is installed separately
2645[17:58:59] <graff> RoyK: aptitude is like the opposite of apt-get in terms of how it resolves dependencies
2646[17:59:04] <nkuttler> there certainly is, but really, this seems pointless
2647[17:59:12] <graff> i forget the exact details, been years since i used it
2648[17:59:23] <graff> but essentially it asks you more questions abotu what you want to try and do
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2650[17:59:49] <graff> it can be pretty powerful for figuring complex package management problems out
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2652[18:00:11] <domovoy> jelly-home> and i get that list of packages from aptitude right? no apt|dpkg|dpkg-query can give me that info?
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2655[18:00:29] <jelly-home> domovoy: the bot has spewed those out above ^
2656[18:00:46] <cluelessperson> how can I reset the hostname for a machine?
2657[18:00:50] <cluelessperson> I'm trying to setup a template
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2659[18:01:04] <domovoy> jelly-home> i'm not gonna make my script query the bot am i? :)
2660[18:01:07] <nkuttler> cluelessperson: man 5 hostname?
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2662[18:01:43] <cluelessperson> nkuttler: I mean, set it to nothing so on next boot it doesn't screw with my dhcp
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2664[18:02:01] <nkuttler> cluelessperson: if you get the hostname from dhcp, set it localhost
2665[18:02:06] <jelly-home> domovoy: if you're target a single release you can just hardcode the list
2666[18:02:33] <jelly-home> domovoy: if not, you can probably use an older tool like grep-dctrl
2667[18:02:53] <cluelessperson> nkuttler: ah, yeah, I've been playing with vm templates. It's annoying that what was "debian9" is now a diferent ip
2668[18:02:58] <jelly-home> or NIH it and parse /var/lib/dpkg/status on your own
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2670[18:03:22] <domovoy> jelly-home> i'm trying to avoid hardcoding anything, and use only tools available after a fresh install. but i'll install aptitude if i have to
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2673[18:04:06] <jelly-home> domovoy: can your real goal really handly ANY web server implementation, even the obscure ones?
2674[18:04:11] <jelly-home> handle*
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2680[18:05:45] <domovoy> jelly-home> no, but i can then check if i have a function "config_${installed_httpd_package}" defined, and warn that this particular httpd is not known
2681[18:06:46] <domovoy> so then i only have to write those functions, and forget about the "what provides" check
2682[18:06:47] <Led_Zeppelin> noodlepie, thnaks. I will play around with m4. looking or a tool like this
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2688[18:07:26] <jelly-home> domovoy: or maybe limit support to three best known web servers and forget about the other stuff
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2694[18:08:21] <domovoy> jelly-home> that can happen with my solution too, but to go beyond, i'll just need to write a new function
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2734[18:21:51] <jelly-home> domovoy: dpkg status file is easy to parse, then
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2737[18:22:29] <jelly-home> domovoy: stupid 2 minute example: cat /var/lib/dpkg/status | awk '/^$/{p=""; i=0; provides=0} /^Status: / && $3 == "ok" && $4 == "installed" {i=1} /^Package: /{p=$2} /^Provides:.*[ ,]httpd(,|$)/ && i {found[p]++; print "Found installed "p}'
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2739[18:23:08] <domovoy> jelly-home> i'm looking at apt-cache | awk. apt-cache showpkg as a 'Reverse Provides'
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2741[18:24:00] <jelly-home> you still have to figure out which of those are installed if any
2742[18:24:15] <jelly-home> and there can be more than one installed
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2756[18:27:55] <domovoy> jelly-home> knowing if it is installed is dpkg-query, if there are more than one... warn? ask? i'm not there yet :)
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2762[18:32:40] <domovoy> jelly-home> i guess that should do: apt-cache showpkg httpd | awk 'BEGIN { in_field=0 } /Reverse Provides:/ { in_field=1; next } in_field { print $1 } /.+:$/ { in_field=0 }' | sort -u
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2772[18:38:32] <JustTheDoctor> hello is it possible to install a .deb file from a http link?
2773[18:38:48] <mdlpe> hi, coming back. I made a fresh install of Debian 9, after reboot I can't associate to my network
2774[18:39:16] <petn-randall> JustTheDoctor: Yes. Download it, then run dpkg -i downloaded.deb.
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2777[18:39:40] <petn-randall> JustTheDoctor: I wouldn't recommend it though, unless you have good reasons.
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2780[18:39:52] <xata> Hello
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2782[18:40:06] <JustTheDoctor> petn i ment can i do dpkg -i URLTOFILE
2783[18:40:46] <petn-randall> JustTheDoctor: petn<tab>
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2786[18:42:52] <xata> I have HP 250 G6, i5 7200U cpu, integrated graphics. Debian 9.4 fresh install, updated and upgraded. DE is MATE. Problem is my display does not turn on after opening lid. This is not screensaver/lockscreen trouble, ctr+alt+f1 does not work and i can not switch to vt. How can i solve this?
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2791[18:43:35] <xata> Display is turned off like turned off, no backlight, no image, nothing
2792[18:43:42] <sirwilliam> xata: does hdmi work
2793[18:43:54] <petn-randall> JustTheDoctor: No, that's not possible.
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2797[18:44:58] <xata> sirwilliam, i don't know, should i try resuming with HDMI display plugged in? What this would mean?
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2799[18:45:25] <sirwilliam> xata: Try hdmi. Also did you check third party software and have a network connection during installation?
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2805[18:47:59] <xata> sirwilliam, i have no third-party software except for wifi blobs (iwlwifi) from non-free, clean Debian install. Happened to me wired/wireless/no connection at all
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2808[18:48:24] <xata> Oh, synaptics also
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2810[18:49:19] <sirwilliam> But hdmi worked during installation? Odd maybe try a fresh install. Did you mess with display settings?
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2812[18:49:58] <xata> sirwilliam, ok then. Where should i read to check on various result of hdmi check? I have no access to hdmi display at the moment
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2816[18:51:03] <xata> sirwilliam, i don't know. Display is working fine until i close the lid, wait for notebook to suspend and then opening it
2817[18:51:11] <mdlpe> no idea for the wifi issue with Debian 9
2818[18:51:22] <sirwilliam> I usually put in an hdmi on machines that doen't display on their native displays. I would try a fresh install, connect to the internet and select third party software during install.
2819[18:51:55] <xata> sirwilliam, display is working when installing, and always except for when i close the notebook's lid
2820[18:52:06] <sirwilliam> Ahhh, lol. Gothca.
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2822[18:52:48] <sirwilliam> Have you used driver manager to install third party software?
2823[18:52:48] <xata> sirwilliam, and when i open its lid its native display is black and dead untill i reboot
2824[18:53:18] <xata> sirwilliam, no, apt-get install only
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2828[18:54:11] <xata> sirwilliam, and drivers were: for wifi(fw) and for touchpad
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2834[18:56:22] <sirwilliam> Open the file /etc/systemd/logind.conf as root.
2835[18:56:32] <sirwilliam> Find this: HandleLidSwitch
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2837[18:56:46] <sirwilliam> If it's commented, uncomment and change the value to ignore. The line after editing should be:
2838[18:56:49] <sirwilliam> HandleLidSwitch=ignore
2839[18:57:07] <sirwilliam> Restart computer and your problem should be gone. Or better restart logind service:
2840[18:57:16] <sirwilliam> sudo service systemd-logind restart
2841[18:57:30] <xata> Done
2842[18:57:35] <xata> Wish me luck
2843[18:57:40] <sirwilliam> lol
2844[18:58:15] <sirwilliam> My source for that: replaced-url
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2852[19:01:52] <RoyK> graff: last I checked, aptitude wasn't very well supported
2853[19:02:14] <greycat> "supported" in what sense?
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2855[19:02:36] <greycat> It is not the first choice for dist-upgrades from one release to the next, but it's commonly used for day-to-day administration.
2856[19:03:07] <RoyK> !apt
2857[19:03:08] <dpkg> Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>.
2858[19:03:25] <sirwilliam> Apt get is much better than manually downloading .deb files and dependencies then manually installing with dpkg -i, ha ha.
2859[19:03:28] <RoyK> isn't 'apt' the new thing now?
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2861[19:03:43] <greycat> apt and apt-get are very similar
2862[19:04:11] <mutante> never needed apt for anything that apt-get didnt already do
2863[19:04:22] <sirwilliam> I have an offline machine and have to do that, it's not fun. Lol.
2864[19:04:28] <RoyK> famous holy wars
2865[19:04:33] <greycat> I think the goal is to make apt the "friendlier" tool for novices.
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2868[19:05:10] <RoyK> greycat: it's friendlier for us "newbies" that have used linux for 25 years too ;)
2869[19:05:38] <mutante> in what way? that it hides some of the text and attempts to display it on a single line?
2870[19:05:55] <greycat> ... whereas apt-get has a more stable command-line interface, so is more suitable in scripts. At least, that's my take on what the APT team's goals are.
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2872[19:06:08] <RoyK> well, you save rather a lot of milliseconds typing
2873[19:06:22] <xata> no luck
2874[19:06:54] <sirwilliam> what do you think about Synaptic?
2875[19:07:15] <greycat> mutante: and uses a yellow-foreground status line that's damned near unreadable on standard terminals, but looks "great" on those black-background terminals that Loonix-kiddies all love.
2876[19:07:30] <xata> sirwilliam, that's the touchpad driver
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2878[19:07:39] <greycat> I think synaptic doesn't even have a right to exist.
2879[19:07:41] <mutante> greycat: hehe, i dont like it.. but i do have black background
2880[19:07:51] <sirwilliam> ha ha
2881[19:08:00] <mutante> yea, what is that stuff even
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2883[19:08:33] <xata> i has it, but looks like another input driver reacts faster than it
2884[19:08:34] <xata> so
2885[19:08:36] <greycat> Does synaptic still break the system by creating an unnecessary *gpg file with the wrong owner?
2886[19:08:46] <greycat> Or did someone eventually get around to fixing that?
2887[19:09:21] <xata> what i think - maybe i could update kernel from default 4.9 and praise some dark gods of bleeding edge?
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2890[19:09:42] <greycat> xata: you can try. If the new kernel is worse, you just reboot back into the old one.
2891[19:09:51] <sirwilliam> xata: very true
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2894[19:11:10] <xata> greycat, sirwilliam, so should i backports? Advice me the source of fresh kernel please, i've used to be an ArchLinux guy for long time
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2896[19:11:20] <greycat> ,kernels
2897[19:11:21] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.16.0-1-686-pae (4.16.5-1); buster: 4.16.0-1-686-pae (4.16.5-1); stretch-backports: 4.16.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.16.5-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-6-686-pae (3.16.56-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
2898[19:11:22] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.101-1)
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2900[19:11:31] <graff> RoyK: yeah I think that perhaps the idea has been forgotten
2901[19:11:32] <greycat> stretch-backports has a 4.16 kernel right now
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2904[19:11:47] <graff> since the ubuntu takeover the debian team is a bit strained
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2908[19:12:41] <graff> but when I started with debian it was the defacto choice and almost always recommended on this channel
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2911[19:12:58] <greycat> Are you still talking about aptitude? You're free to use it if you like it.
2912[19:13:14] <graff> are you speaking to me son?
2913[19:13:15] <greycat> It has the most powerful search/filter capabilities.
2914[19:13:21] <sirwilliam> I chose debian for it's age and popularit.
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2916[19:13:30] <petn-randall> greycat: Take over? What are you talking about?
2917[19:13:40] <petn-randall> graff: ^^^
2918[19:13:42] <graff> anyway i have things to do.
2919[19:13:50] <greycat> other places to troll
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2921[19:14:00] <graff> sure of course. everyone is a troll
2922[19:14:05] <petn-randall> graff: Also you shouldn't address people in here as 'son' if you don't know them.
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2924[19:14:28] <mutante> always nice to throw some controversial statement out and then immediately be busy when people respond
2925[19:14:53] * petn-randall shrugs.
2926[19:15:00] <petn-randall> It's more annoying than anything else.
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2933[19:20:00] <xata> rebooting, god help me
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2977[19:45:18] <Akuw> is there any tool to create my internet radio and publish in web
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2986[19:46:53] <noodlepie> Akuw, replaced-url
2987[19:47:03] <Akuw> thanks
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2989[19:47:12] <noodlepie> replaced-url
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3014[20:04:18] <perla> hi there
3015[20:04:48] <perla> does someone remember the command to install the firmware for the AMD graphic cards?
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3017[20:05:02] <perla> i have to reinstall debian later and i need to add them
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3019[20:05:31] <greycat> firmware-amd-graphics
3020[20:05:33] <rant> apt install firmware-amd-graphics
3021[20:05:49] <rant> greycat: you of all people.. heh
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3027[20:06:49] <perla> thanks guys
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3029[20:06:58] <perla> i didn't remember tha package name
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3031[20:07:07] <rant> didn't ask what the package name was, asked the command.. I find it hard to believe you'd not have picked up on that
3032[20:07:19] <greycat> I didn't remember either, so I did an "apt-cache search firmware amd"
3033[20:07:59] <rant> I did dpkg -l | grep firmware cause I have an AMD G-Seires SoC with Radeon R2E that requires it for 3d, dual monitor (other than mirror) etc..
3034[20:08:14] <perla> rant, well i meant the package lol
3035[20:08:22] <rant> its the fact that you didnt get all technical and supply the whole command
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3037[20:08:43] <rant> perla: that may be so, but greycat is a bit of a language lawyer in here at times :P
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3041[20:09:06] <perla> rant, oh got it ahahah
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3043[20:09:17] <perla> well i'm going to reinstall debian see ya later guys
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3048[20:10:30] <rant> have fun.. heh.. maybe someday you'll realize the boot, boot, reboot, reinstall isnt the diagnostic tree for debian like it is for windows :P
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3051[20:11:19] <greycat> You're too late; perla left.
3052[20:11:34] <grg> rant: do you ever go on a yourself?
3053[20:11:45] *** rain_away is now known as rainfyre
3054[20:11:57] <rant> though I actually considered reinstalling after I realized I didnt get rid of the hp thinpro 25MB boot partition.. the idea of shifting root 25mb is a bit annoying.. in the end I just left the f'n partition there
3055[20:12:30] <rant> grg: I had to read that a few times before I understood it :P
3056[20:12:43] <grg> :D
3057[20:12:52] <grg> like an human klein bottle or somethin
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3060[20:13:58] <rant> I added this nick and used it as default to amuse people cause I am wordy.. and cause I enjoyed Chuck Palanuik's book by the same name.. his approches to literature are always interesting.. he likes to experiment with different writing styles
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3063[20:14:43] <grg> ah. haven't read that one
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3068[20:15:48] <rant> sometimes I think I should start a damn book club.. I enjoy reading but spent my young life avoiding it and its hard to break the habit :P
3069[20:16:15] <grg> true
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3079[20:20:36] <somiaj> haha, sometimes I think I should reinstall just to clean up the 10+ years of crap I have installed on my system and not removed, but then I think, oh I would actually have to reinstall and don't
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3081[20:21:03] <greycat> That kind of cruft removal happens naturally whenever the hardware dies and I have to reinstall on a new box.
3082[20:21:04] <rant> anyone have thoughts on how to better document an issue with RTL8187B wifi chips.. someone was in here last night with the issue and I have one too and had a hell of a time figuring it out.. apparently the firmware is on the device and it has a bug that it will appear to be working but keep deauth if you are using those long ifnames. I feel like it needs to be better documented somewhere people may find the
3083[20:21:10] <rant> solution. I suppose I could signup, edit the wiki page and/or the factoid (rtl8187)
3084[20:21:21] <AciD`> hey, today I hard to hard-reset my rig (after a wake up from suspend, the radeon driver 'stalled'). When I boot up, sddm did not display my usual theme and complained that the `/usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze|/Main.qml` file was not found
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3086[20:21:43] <AciD`> just to be sure, I reinstalled the sddm package, and I still can't see this file. Do you guys have that on your end?
3087[20:21:48] <somiaj> greycat: I slowly keep upgrading my ssytem, even when I moved to an ssd, it was rsync -av to it
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3089[20:22:36] <somiaj> rant: I am not quite sure that was the problem, I'm still thinking it might have just been wicd not liking the new interface names and crapping out (the ip a output seemed to say the devices were detected and loaded)
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3092[20:23:09] <minos_> cool the debian live doesn't work and the installer neither
3093[20:23:10] <rant> AciD`: I dont cause I dont have sddm installed.. but the more important question here is that when your curtains are on fire, the kettle is whistling..etc.. which do you deal with first.. heh.. i.e. don't bother when your house is on fire.. and check your logs you may be having disk failure or something that caused both these issues
3094[20:23:11] <somiaj> though since you said you had it too, might not be more than wicd, but what I saw was wicd not working from the pasts, nothign about the cards not being detected and loaded
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3096[20:23:18] <AciD`> rant ⟹ a debian forum where you post a question, and answer it yourself seems like a good place to start
3097[20:23:36] <perla> don't know if it is a dd error or the iso is corrupted
3098[20:23:43] <AciD`> good idea, checking
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3101[20:23:58] <perla> what should i do? format again the usb stick?
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3103[20:24:11] <somiaj> perla: I missed your actual problem.
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3105[20:24:17] <rant> somiaj: na I only had network-manager on this machine and it had the issue, and I eventually found it on some really obscure forum somewhere it said that there was a bug in the firmware with the ifnames
3106[20:24:34] <somiaj> perla: you dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdX, and the installer didn't work?
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3109[20:24:46] <rant> which I still dont understand how the hell the firmware on the card would even be aware of the ifnames
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3111[20:24:52] <perla> somiaj, yeah it doesn't work
3112[20:24:55] <somiaj> rant: well if it only had userland firmware so such a bug coudl have been easily fixed by realtex...
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3115[20:25:08] <somiaj> rant: </rant> -- anyuways, maybe a dpkg factoid could help too
3116[20:25:27] <somiaj> perla: what was the exact command you typed (just for double checking) and did you do an checksum of the image?
3117[20:25:34] <rant> I do however know that the issue is apparently widespread, the ifnames kernel option fixes it, and we dont have it documented
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3119[20:25:50] <perla> somiaj, i'll try making another bootable usb, if doesn't work i'll download again the iso file
3120[20:25:59] <rant> and since the card appears to work, scan, try to authenticat..etc.. it makes diagnostic run in circles
3121[20:26:16] <somiaj> perla: still give us the exact command you typed, just to double check
3122[20:26:22] <perla> somiaj, i did not do the checksum cause everytime i did it with other isos there was no error
3123[20:26:22] <AciD`> I just have a bunch of "radeon 0000:0b:00.0: ring 0 stalled for more than 90636msec" "radeon 0000:0b:00.0: GPU lockup (current fence id 0x000000000a11cdf3 last fence id 0x000000000a11cdf9 on ring 0)" error message
3124[20:26:41] <perla> somiaj, so i didn't do the checksum this time
3125[20:26:50] <AciD`> and before that "radeon 0000:0b:00.0: GPU fault detected: 147 0x0d827002" "radeon 0000:0b:00.0: VM_CONTEXT1_PROTECTION_FAULT_ADDR 0x0000016C" and "radeon 0000:0b:00.0: VM_CONTEXT1_PROTECTION_FAULT_STATUS 0x02070002"
3126[20:27:06] <AciD`> I do not recall having the mesa driver mess up like that before
3127[20:27:41] <perla> somiaj, dd if=/path/to/my_fucking_iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M
3128[20:27:49] <rant> AciD`: its just odd you'd have a gpu lockup followed by a missing file and that not be related.. I'd be looking for broader system diagnostics to make sure you dont have an underlying issue that is common here like disk/fs trouble
3129[20:27:56] <somiaj> perla: still double checking your command that was run would help, also the cp is suggested by the installer, but dd will work.
3130[20:28:08] <somiaj> perla: okay, not sure what the problem could be (just double checking you didn't copy it to a partition, common mistake)
3131[20:28:24] <perla> somiaj, yeah i'm not that noob lol
3132[20:28:40] <abrotman> run sync before popping the stick out?
3133[20:29:03] <AciD`> I also see an error further up in the log : kworker/u32:31: page allocation failure: order:0, mode:0x2420002(GFP_NOIO|__GFP_HIGHMEM|__GFP_HARDWALL) with "Workqueue: events_unbound async_run_entry_fn"
3134[20:29:05] <AciD`> hm..
3135[20:29:08] <somiaj> rant: is it only the paticular RTL8187B that caused the problem, or other cards as well?
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3137[20:29:26] <perla> somiaj, i'll try another time... i'm afraid of having to download again the iso
3138[20:29:30] <somiaj> perla: I just like to double check. What is the actual problem when you try to use the iso?
3139[20:29:39] <somiaj> perla: like it doesn't boot, or something else?
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3141[20:29:44] <rant> somiaj: afaik it only occurs with RTL8187B which in my case is a Netgear WG111v3 dongle, but idk what exactly the hw was last night
3142[20:29:48] <perla> somiaj, it does boot
3143[20:30:04] <perla> but the live won't run and the debian installer neither
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3146[20:30:14] <perla> somiaj, i mean.. the grapical install
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3148[20:30:40] <somiaj> perla: what do you mean by the 'live won't run the debian insatller'?
3149[20:30:52] <somiaj> perla: are you using an offical debian install image, or a debian live image?
3150[20:30:52] <rant> somiaj: its a pity we unearthed this bug with the new ifnames thing cause this card is fairly easy to come by cheap, and it works OTB without additionaly firmwares.. and the bug is obscure enough to confound even you and I when we have experience :P
3151[20:31:19] <somiaj> rant: yea, I was looking at updating the dpkg factoid, but the one for rtl8187 (which is the same for rtl8187b) is quite full, thinking of how to put it in there.
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3153[20:32:02] <rant> somiaj: thats why I followed the wiki link and noticed it wasnt in our wiki either.. might be better to mention it there or create a seperate factoid for this bug and link it to those factoids
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3155[20:32:28] <SpeakerToMeat> Is there a tool that'll let me change the version in control files/etc for all packages inside a code tree?
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3159[20:32:49] <greycat> Why would it be in more than one file?
3160[20:32:58] <AciD`> well I do not see any sign of a disk failure, just a good 'ol video driver bug. Now when I go to configure SDDM from the kde settings the 'themes' tabs is oddly empty
3161[20:33:02] <SpeakerToMeat> greycat: Because this tree produces many packages
3162[20:33:06] <somiaj> rant: I keep meaning to try to get a wiki account so I can do such edits, but always end up at the automatic account feature is disabled due to abuse, and never emailed the people in charged.
3163[20:33:25] <rant> this is one of the issues I wanted to try address with an integrated support system.. making sure issues were documented well and that they rolled back in early in the support process in the form of a knowledge base so we dont have to remember where the solutions are when the problems occur again
3164[20:33:34] <greycat> sounds like you're doing it wrong, whatever "it" is
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3166[20:34:17] <SpeakerToMeat> greycat: Ok, I'd have to take that up with the debian maintainer for vlc
3167[20:34:32] <perla> somiaj, sorry i didn't explain it well
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3169[20:35:21] <perla> somiaj, the pc recognizes the usb and opens up the interface where you choose what to do
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3171[20:35:42] <rant> somiaj: Id started a project (moved to gitlab now but I havent memorized the url which is linked on github) replaced-url
3172[20:35:48] <rant> else so far.
3173[20:36:01] <SpeakerToMeat> So, I guess there's no tool?
3174[20:36:12] <Akuw> can i transmit using vlc and see it my my localhost?
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3177[20:36:55] <somiaj> perla: and this is an offical installer or a debian live image?
3178[20:37:05] * rant wants to among other things make a Debian Help And Support Center that integrates with desktop environments and has easy access to all our support resource in one place with a guide through the steps of using each one
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3180[20:37:22] <AciD`> hum, it seems somehow `sddm-theme-breeze` got uninstalled. That will fix the 'missing' file I guess
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3182[20:38:01] <perla> somiaj, then... whatever you select it will not work
3183[20:38:05] <perla> somiaj, official
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3186[20:38:55] <somiaj> perla: and no errors what so ever? Just a black screen? Well if the .iso passed the checksums and this isn't working, maybe it is something funky with your hardware. You could check some firwmare settings. But yea everything seems like it should work.
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3189[20:39:29] <perla> somiaj, no errors it just freezes
3190[20:39:36] <somiaj> rant: I'd like to see some improvment on the wiki, but that takes a lot of man power (and some good editing), as the wiki seems to have a wide range of stuff, some for end users, but a lot for developers.
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3192[20:39:58] <somiaj> rant: and a lot of stuff that is just outdated and needs updated.
3193[20:40:09] <perla> somiaj, it's not the first time i do this.. but i never had problems
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3196[20:41:08] <rant> somiaj: yeah well I think making a support center like windows has will help that goal if it is a place users can find to get help that steps them through existing knowledge bases like wiki, bts, forums, then mailinglists/irc and finally reporting a bug.. because it can be like a simpler frontend for users to get their solutions documented in the right place without knowing how the backends work
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3202[20:42:10] <greycat> Wiki pages are a good place to explain basic concepts and common practices. Not necessarily a great place to put workarounds for a bug that may be fixed in a year.
3203[20:42:10] <rant> somiaj: a problem occurs when our support resources are so fragmented and issues arent assigned a ticket of sorts that tracks all the stuff across all our resources that relate to the issue and to do that we need some better tools
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3209[20:44:10] <somiaj> in this case the bug sounds like it is with the firmware on the chip, which is not going to change. Though maybe I'm the rare one who thinks userland firmware was a good idea (if you are going to have closed firmware)
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3213[20:44:23] <somiaj> I don't think putting the firmware on the chip makes the device any more free
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3215[20:44:44] <greycat> I'm still having a tough time believing that the name of the interface matters to the firmware running inside the hardware.
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3218[20:45:10] <greycat> But I don't have this hardware, and I wasn't here for the solving of the problem.
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3220[20:45:32] <somiaj> I'm not quite sure on the details, what I saw was wicd not being able to detect the wifi devices properly, and changing their names back made wicd work. I'm unsure if it changed anything else.
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3223[20:45:39] <rant> greycat: me too but thats ALL that was required to make it stop doing the deauth by local choice reason 3.. otherwise the card works OTB on stretch it just wond auth even to an open AP with the long ifnames
3224[20:45:47] <greycat> A bug in wicd sounds more believable.
3225[20:45:56] <rant> it occurs with n-m as well
3226[20:47:07] <greycat> If a bug is affecting a large number of people, and there's no sign of an imminent fix, then sure, putting workarounds on a wiki page is good.
3227[20:47:20] <somiaj> anyways, does dpkg have a factiod on how to disable the new inteface names, that is probably the most useful factoid, and can be used in this (and other cases) where it appears just using the old naming system would make debugging the new one easier.
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3229[20:47:58] <rant> listvals ifnames gives no results
3230[20:48:34] <rant> the simplest way I know to do it is edit line 10 of /etc/default/grub and add net.ifnames=0 and update-grub and reboot
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3232[20:48:49] <greycat> well, disabling it is documented at replaced-url
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3234[20:49:01] <somiaj> yea, I was going to have the factoid point there
3235[20:49:12] <greycat> !interface names
3236[20:49:13] <dpkg> Starting with <stretch>, network interface names have changed from the previous convention of eth0, eth1/wlan0, wlan1 to names based on the device vendor or driver. This has some upsides and some downsides. For more information and options, see replaced-url
3237[20:49:50] <greycat> !dpni
3238[20:49:50] <dpkg> A really simple way to disable Predictable Network Interface naming and revert back to the old interface naming, is to "ln -s /dev/null /etc/systemd/network/99-default.link" as root (without the quotes). Creating this symbolic link prevents systemd from being able to change the interface names. You will need to unplug/replug your device or reboot/reload module and you'll have an old iface name.
3239[20:50:11] <rant> the reason this issue in particular stands out to me is that there is no reason for any of us to think this has anything to do with this problem and it'll leave supporters running in circles and users thinkin debian just sucks cause the adapter works OTB on other linux distros
3240[20:50:52] <rant> the fact that it stumped me when I had the issue, and then had somiaj about to toss in the towel last night proves my point :P
3241[20:51:10] <greycat> Is there a debian BTS number for it?
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3247[20:52:43] <rant> not that I'm aware.. but we still dont really know for certain where the problem lies.. the obscure forum I'd found after long googling suggested it was the firmware but that answer just dont make any sense.. how the hell would the card or its firmware even know its using long if names?
3248[20:53:07] <somiaj> ahh guess a new one isn't needed, thanks greycat. I guess this isn't needed now
3249[20:53:10] <somiaj> !ifnames
3250[20:53:10] <dpkg> methinks ifnames is Systemd now uses perdictiable network interface names. replaced-url
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3252[20:53:40] <greycat> dpkg, ifnames =~ s/perdict/predict/g
3253[20:53:40] <dpkg> greycat: i didn't have anything called 'ifnames' to modify
3254[20:53:57] <somiaj> oh opps, sorry I didn't think that was needed...to may cooks.
3255[20:54:01] <sirwilliam> Finally got my offline repo working, lol. FYI, use deb-"arch" http, and not just deb, deb downloads all archs. Ha ha.
3256[20:54:04] <rant> that symbolic link thing had worked for me once in the past but when I tried it on this thinclient (stretch/amd64) it wasnt turning the ifnames off, only the kernel option did it
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3259[20:55:38] <somiaj> greycat: probably better to just edit the existing factoids instead of creating new ones. I'll add the net.ifnames=0 to the dpni
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3264[20:56:14] <somiaj> sirwilliam: deb [arch=foo] mirror can be used to limit what arch a pacticular mirror uses
3265[20:57:07] <sirwilliam> somiaj: just now figured that out, 55gb later, lmao.
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3269[20:58:17] <annadane> !win sirwilliam
3270[20:58:17] <dpkg> Congratulations, sirwilliam! You have won the US presidency!
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3274[20:58:29] <annadane> that escalated quickly
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3281[21:00:50] <somiaj> rant: I've heard of others having trouble getting systemd.link to set the interface names too, wonder if something has changed.
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3285[21:02:21] <sirwilliam> annadane: ha ha!
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3334[21:22:51] <NetTerminalGene> does kernel mitigation of spectre and meltdown is only effective if you installed new microcode?
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3342[21:25:46] <jhutchins_wk> NetTerminalGene: Microsoft is doing BIOS patches (which I guess might be mircocode) to address this.
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3344[21:26:10] <jhutchins_wk> NetTerminalGene: Supposedly much better, better performance, than the OS patches.
3345[21:26:16] <greycat> microcode is not a BIOS update
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3349[21:27:26] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Yeah, I'm not real sure that the guy I talked to had his terminology straight. It's something that got patched from a MS update.
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3353[21:27:58] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Might a BIOS update _include_ microcode to be uploaded by the BIOS?
3354[21:28:00] <greycat> microcode is kinda like firmware for the CPU itself
3355[21:28:10] <greycat> ,v intel-microcode
3356[21:28:11] <judd> Package: intel-microcode on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 1.20150121.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 3.20161104.1~deb8u1~bpo7+1; jessie-backports/non-free: 3.20170511.1~bpo8+1; jessie/non-free: 3.20170707.1~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 3.20170707.1~deb9u1; jessie-backports-sloppy/non-free: 3.20180425.1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports/non-free: 3.20180425.1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 3.20180425.1; sid
3357[21:28:12] <judd> /non-free: 3.20180425.1
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3360[21:28:28] <NetTerminalGene> bios updates include latest microcode
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3401[21:49:25] <kremator> hello guys, im trying to run a VM with virtualbox in debian 9, but when i launch the VM i get that i need to reinstall virtualbox dkms and do a "sudo modprobe vboxdrv"
3402[21:49:31] <kremator> but i already have dkms isntalled
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3404[21:49:47] <kremator> and when i do the "# modprobe vboxdrv" i get the error: replaced-url
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3407[21:52:56] <bites> kremator: do you have the header files for your kernel installed? if not, install them, run apt-get install --reinstall virtualbox-dkms and then try to load the vboxdrv module.
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3410[21:53:54] <kremator> bites, i did and it didnt worked, but atm im trying a "apt isntall linux-image-amd64" and incredible it found soemthing to install
3411[21:54:07] <kremator> i though i already had the full 4.9.0 kernel installed and working
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3419[21:58:28] <greycat> kremator: headers are in a separate package. Typically you want to install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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3438[22:06:22] <hid3> Hello. Any dash experts here? How can I print only first two characters of a variable using dash shell (this is what /bin/sh points to in Debian)
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3440[22:07:58] <greycat> If you don't care about efficiency, you could always simply do printf %s "$var" | cut -c1-2
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3443[22:09:13] <greycat> If you want some semblance of efficiency, then... uh... "${var%${var#??}}"
3444[22:09:34] <hid3> Well, the point is I care here. Now in bash I use something like this (a bit more complex scenario of what I need): printf '%s.%s\n' "${t%???}" "${t:(-3)}"
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3446[22:09:46] <greycat> In bash you'd simply use "${var:0:2}"
3447[22:10:05] <hid3> in sh (non-Debian), it would be something like this: sh -c 'var=abcde; echo "${var%${var#??}}"' (only first 2 chars)
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3449[22:10:10] <hid3> but in dash the latter doesn't work
3450[22:10:11] <greycat> $ var=abcdefgh; echo "${var%${var#??}}"
3451[22:10:11] <greycat> ab
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3453[22:10:23] <hid3> yeah, but that's not dash
3454[22:10:33] <greycat> Yes. It. Is.
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3457[22:10:50] <greycat> wooledg:~$ dash
3458[22:10:51] <greycat> $ var=abcdefgh; echo "${var%${var#??}}"
3459[22:10:51] <greycat> ab
3460[22:10:54] <hid3> sorry, my message arrived too late :)
3461[22:11:32] <hid3> hm..
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3463[22:11:41] <hid3> greycat, which version of dash are you using?
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3467[22:11:51] <hid3> # dash
3468[22:11:51] <hid3> # var=abcdefgh; echo "${var%${var#??}}"
3469[22:11:51] <hid3> #
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3473[22:12:20] <hid3> here I have this: dash 0.5.7-3
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3476[22:12:22] <hid3> Wheezy
3477[22:12:25] <greycat> stretch's version, but that's irrelevant. IT IS STANDARD POSIX. I USED NOTHING NONSTANDARD THERE. IT WILL WORK IN EVERY SH EVER CREATED except ancient legacy bourne shells but they can go die in a fire
3478[22:12:51] <hid3> weird it doesn't work for me
3479[22:12:52] <phogg> Doesn't work for me in dash 0.5.7 either.
3480[22:13:13] <hid3> our dash seems to be too young :)
3481[22:13:16] <greycat> fucking hell, is wheezy's dash BROKEN?
3482[22:13:29] <hid3> no, it's too young, lol :)
3483[22:13:32] <phogg> greycat: seems so
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3485[22:14:12] <greycat> hid3: IT FUCKING WORKS ON HP-UX 11 FOR CHRIST'S SAKE
3486[22:14:25] <greycat> Fine, use a god damned temp variable to work around wheezy's apparently bug.
3487[22:14:55] <greycat> $ tmp=${var#??}; echo "${var%$tmp}"
3488[22:14:55] <greycat> ab
3489[22:15:09] <phogg> two steps?! that's cheating
3490[22:15:11] <petemc> works without quotes on dash
3491[22:15:17] <petemc> wheezy dash
3492[22:15:23] <greycat> petemc: show exact command please
3493[22:15:30] <phogg> petemc: ah, you are right
3494[22:15:47] <petemc> pete@ks356955:~$ dash
3495[22:15:47] <petemc> $ var=abcdefgh; echo ${var%${var#??}}
3496[22:15:54] <petemc> ab
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3498[22:16:23] <greycat> I would file a bug report on this if wheezy weren't already in LTS :(
3499[22:16:23] <hid3> at the moment I'm looking if it can be easy to backport dash to something newer
3500[22:16:31] <phogg> this also works: echo "${var%"${var#??}"}"
3501[22:16:47] <greycat> I would prefer the tmp variable over that.
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3504[22:17:32] <phogg> as long as the current version fixes it I don't think anyone cares
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3506[22:17:43] <phogg> except hid3, who should use one of the above forms
3507[22:17:53] <hid3> holy cow, stretch has got only 0.5.8 and it works there...
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3509[22:18:45] <greycat> A version number ain't nothin' but a number.
3510[22:18:46] <phogg> hid3: well, that's why software gets new versions
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3514[22:20:22] <bites> behaves similarly on jessie.
3515[22:20:31] <greycat> There could be a million bugs fixed between 0.5.7 and 0.5.8. You can't tell just by the magnitude of the numbers.
3516[22:20:43] <phogg> bites: check your version number, it's not fixed until 0.5.8
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3519[22:21:07] <bites> it's the same upstream version as wheezy.
3520[22:21:10] <greycat> Oh, it's fixed on jessie's 0.5.7
3521[22:21:23] <greycat> err... no ,wait
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3523[22:21:36] <greycat> No. It's broken in jessie's 0.5.7.
3524[22:21:45] <greycat> Helps if I actually type 'dash' before testing.
3525[22:22:04] <phogg> heh
3526[22:23:23] <hid3> backported dash. Was pretty straight forward
3527[22:23:38] <hid3> 0.5.8-2.4 now
3528[22:23:54] <greycat> yeah, there shouldn't be any fancy crazy dependencies on that
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3530[22:23:58] <phogg> hid3: backporting is cheating, too
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3532[22:24:11] <hid3> yeah, that's how life is made :)
3533[22:24:27] <hid3> sometimes you need to cheat to make something good
3534[22:24:32] <Led_Zeppelin> anyone here use m4 ?
3535[22:24:42] <Led_Zeppelin> trying to understand how I generate a simple template file .
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3537[22:26:10] <greycat> stop cross-posting
3538[22:26:18] <greycat> I answered in #bash: 16:25 greycat> Led_Zeppelin: ##workingset may have more m4 people
3539[22:26:37] <Led_Zeppelin> sorry. thanks
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3541[22:28:26] <hid3> greycat, any ideas on how to print last 3 chars of the $var?
3542[22:28:47] <greycat> Do the same thing, but the other way around.
3543[22:29:03] <greycat> tmp variable gets %??? instead of #?? and you reverse # and % again for the next step
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3550[22:32:52] <hid3> cool, thanks!
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3553[22:33:19] <phogg> hid3: what are you making?
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3555[22:34:00] <Akuw> hi, i just created a sjoutcast account to my radio
3556[22:34:19] <Akuw> but what i can use to bradcast from my pc to shoutcast?
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3558[22:34:24] <hid3> phogg: trying to get rid of some bashism. Actually a script which is used by SNMP
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3560[22:34:55] <greycat> Apparently on wheezy, and apparently he's "allowed" to "fix" wheezy's bugs instead of working around them with slightly easier-to-read code.
3561[22:35:09] <tw> Akuw: darkice or ices
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3564[22:36:22] <phogg> hid3: but bashisms are delicious!
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3567[22:37:10] <hid3> yes, they are, but life is not always sweet :)
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3652[23:22:52] <noobly> Can someone recommend a source file for an offline installation of debian on a i686 (32 bit machine)? I'm about to begin downloading the 9.40 debian-9.4.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso, but there's so many options I'm not sure I've made the right choice
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3656[23:24:17] <somiaj> noobly: I would just grab the first dvd as opposed to a cd. It should have all the desktops and most used software.
3657[23:24:43] <somiaj> if you need more you can downlaod the second dvd too. Note You can copy these to usb drives and not need to burn them (unless you have to restrict yourself to only cd size, then this will limit you)
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3661[23:25:02] <noobly> somiaj: would you grab that from the 9.40 or current directory?
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3663[23:25:39] <noobly> somiaj: and I will be putting these all on a USB drive, thank you though
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3667[23:26:18] <somiaj> yea, there should be dvds for 9.4, the first dvd contains the installer and the most common packages, this should be written directly tot he usb as an image
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3669[23:26:40] <annadane> 9.5 is actually due soon-ish
3670[23:26:55] <dvs> oh noes!
3671[23:27:00] <somiaj> the second and third dvd contain common (but not as common) packages, and you don't need to write these to the usb, use the first dvd to isntall, then copy the .iso over to the machine and mount with loopback to isntall stuff off of that
3672[23:27:17] <somiaj> that is fine, there is also an update dvd, so someone with the dvds doens't have to download all the images again and can just get the updates
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3682[23:33:30] <Akuw> darkice is suing using ---> OSS DSP input device: /dev/dsp but taht is not there
3683[23:33:42] <Akuw> how can i know the real audio device
3684[23:35:02] <somiaj> alsa should have an oss compadabilty module you can use to get /dev/dsp
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3686[23:35:24] <dvs> Akuw, modprobe snd-pcm-oss ?
3687[23:35:37] <somiaj> ahh that is the name, seems it isn't loaded by default on my machines these days
3688[23:36:03] <Akuw> no aoutput
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3690[23:36:24] <somiaj> well no output is good, now that the module is loaded you should have the dsp device for oss
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3692[23:36:35] <somiaj> usually no output means the command was sucessful and did what youw anted, which was load that moudle.
3693[23:36:40] <Akuw> modprob --> snd_mixer_oss 24576 1 snd_pcm_oss
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3718[23:48:16] <jak2000> dude friends... wich is the best way for do this:i need copy at the night, 1 server to other... (have 10 Virtual MAchines of 250 GB each one) how to do the task in minimal time (remember we have from 10pm to 7am of next day any advice?
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3720[23:48:36] <Resilience> ck-list-sessions lists two sessions for my X-session, ehere can I paste the ouput to see if anyone can help me?
3721[23:48:47] <annadane> Resilience, paste.debian.net
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3723[23:49:06] <Resilience> annadane, tkanks
3724[23:50:05] <somiaj> jak2000: what do you need to copy, just teh data on it, or a whole vm iamge.
3725[23:50:09] <petn-randall> jak2000: rsync? Though I don't know what you exactly mean with copy.
3726[23:50:40] <somiaj> jak2000: an rsync script is a common way, it will only copy the data that has been modified, and provided you don't have very larges amount of data changing each day, that sounds like more than enough time.
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3728[23:51:16] <annadane> you can rsync /etc and /var and whatever else you actually want to keep
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3739[23:55:08] <Resilience> ck-list-sessions lists two sessions for my X-session, here is the output: replaced-url
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