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1[00:00:09] <brigo> pointless, with a dns server
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5[00:01:11] <teraflops> pointless: trasferring the domain to a
dns server where you create dns records: A, AAA, etc.
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6[00:01:28] <Aorious> brigo: Yh thats what im in low. When
installing Debian, I set var to be its own partition of 5GB. Right
clicking the folder in gnome shows its 'totalling 4.1 GB (some
contents unreadable)'. /var/logs is totalling 3.8 GB (some
contents unreadable).
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16[00:02:24] <brigo> Aorious, contents unreadable should be
becuase your user has a lack of permissions.
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18[00:02:29] <blizzow> Goddamnit, the NRPE package needs
fixing. The nrpe config file has a directive to allow arguments but
it's unusable because the agent is compiled to not allow
arguments.
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25[00:02:48] <brigo> Anyway, check /var/log for the bigger
files
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26[00:02:59] <Aorious> ok
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32[00:03:07] <brigo> blizzow, in jessie?
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37[00:03:47] <Aorious> birgo, the command shows file, sorted by
file size, 40 biggest?
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42[00:04:42] <Aorious> Nvm, read the man page.
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61[00:05:45] <blizzow> brigo: yes. and one of the maintainers
is insistent that the feature is a security hole so it forces a
bunch of nagios users to recompile the nrpe agent.
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66[00:06:33] <Iridos> Aorious, you can also use ncdu /var (cli)
or gdmap (graphical)
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69[00:06:47] <teraflops> ncdu <3
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72[00:07:16] <jmcnaught> Aorious: also if your user is a member
of the "adm" group it will be able to read files in
/var/log without being root
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73[00:07:49] <brigo> ncdu, new for me.
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77[00:08:58] <Iridos> Stummi, apropos... it was new for me,
too, thanks :D
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110[00:22:30] <Aorious> Is it possiable for var to run out of
space? What would happen?
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126[00:28:07] <Aorious> Iridos: jmcnaught: Ok, thanks
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134[00:30:05] <Aorious> Browser is causing the problem, Ill be
back.
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151[00:38:31] <Aorious> Ok, what I found out is that messages,
syslog and user.log are 3.4GB in total. Syslog is constantly being
spammed by a error from icewealse. Im going to reinstall it.
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162[00:43:46] <jmcnaught> Aorious: what were the errors? the
various task-*-desktop metapackages depend on iceweasel so removing
it will also remove those which you may or may not care about.
Problems with Iceweasel are probably related to a user's
profile
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184[00:54:46] <Aorious> jmcnaught:
replaced-url
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185[00:54:56] <pointless> does it take any particular skillz to
install a SAFE email server?
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186[00:55:11] <pointless> no spam intention
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187[00:56:06] * pointless was told there WAS skills to this, but
suspect tis was a lie
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188[00:56:18] <pointless> or even an exxaguration
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190[00:56:37] <jmcnaught> Aorious: iceweasel has a "restart
with add-ons disabled" option in its help menu and also
available at "about:support"
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191[00:57:06] <teraflops> pointless: reading comprehension and
patience if it's the first time
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192[00:57:09] <jmcnaught> pointless: running an email server
does require a fair bit of knowledge and skill
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194[00:57:50] <pointless> I see
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195[00:58:00] <pointless> thx
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198[00:58:30] <pointless> thx, teraflops and jmcnaught
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199[00:58:32] <teraflops> np
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201[00:58:58] <teraflops> pointless: it's a good exercise
if you have the time for doing it though
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202[00:59:20] <pointless> I have time and patience
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204[00:59:35] <pointless> and I like exersises
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205[00:59:37] <pointless> :P
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206[00:59:37] <teraflops> heh
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207[01:00:04] <pointless> -s +c
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211[01:00:40] <markybob> pointless: aren't you the one that
asked about dns/domains earlier?
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212[01:00:49] <pointless> I was
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213[01:00:57] <markybob> pointless: you need to have that
concept down working before you start working on email
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214[01:00:59] <pointless> I am
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215[01:01:07] <pointless> I am on itg
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216[01:01:09] <pointless> it*
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217[01:01:12] <pointless> :P
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218[01:01:15] <pointless> nearly there
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219[01:01:17] <pointless> I guess
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220[01:01:18] <jmcnaught> pointless: i recommend reading the
rfc5321 to understand how SMTP works
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221[01:01:19] <pointless> .
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222[01:01:25] <pointless> I see
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224[01:01:32] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell pointless about enter
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225[01:01:37] <Aorious> jmcnaught: Excellent, but I will try
that out later. The more pressing issue is these massive files
(messages, user.log and syslog - at 3.4GB out of my 5GB /var/). Is
it safe delete these, if can even delete them while the system it
running?
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226[01:01:38] <pointless> lol
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227[01:01:41] <pointless> ah
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228[01:01:48] <TomTomTosch> pointless: every time you press
enter a kitten dies.
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230[01:01:58] <pointless> no <enter> here?
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231[01:02:08] <jmcnaught> pointless: it's also pretty
obnoxious and makes you hard to follow when other people are talking
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232[01:02:10] <pointless> that is a lie
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233[01:02:22] <dimitry7> hey guys, I'm having this error
login with ssh:
replaced-url
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234[01:02:23] <pointless> very well
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235[01:02:28] <pointless> I am outta here - for now
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238[01:02:39] <dimitry7> what's wrong? permissions and key
are correct
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240[01:03:28] <jmcnaught> Aorious: it's safe to delete the
old logs that have been rotated or compressed. The current logs you
might want to leave in place, or at least make sure that they exist
with the same user:group and permissions, and stop their services
while you are deleting them.
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241[01:03:29] <catsup> what is the best way to map from a
major/minor pair to a device node?
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242[01:04:56] <catsup> i.e., i have the output of 'dmsetup
table' which looks like '43:1', i know i can 'ls
-l /dev|grep "43, * 1 "' but i am wondering what is
the best alternative
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246[01:06:19] <Pierrou> Hi ! I'm trying to install
Subversion with Apache but i've a 404 error on domain/svn :/
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249[01:07:10] <catsup> oh, it's just /dev/block/43:1 !
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250[01:07:22] <catsup> i love this new udev shit
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254[01:07:40] <jmcnaught> dimitry7: are you able to check the
logs on the server?
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257[01:08:22] <TomTomTosch> dimitry7: where did you put the key
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258[01:08:35] <jml2> dimitry7, ssh agent
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260[01:09:04] <Aorious> jmcnaught: Okay, I understand I must
disable the logging service to modify these logs, and that these
file must exist there with cetain perms. I guess it would be safe to
modify the file instead. Alternatively, it is possible to force a
rotation/compression (seems like this would be the safest/easiest)?
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263[01:10:08] <markybob> Aorious: just backup the .1 and .gz
files, then delete those. leave the rest.
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267[01:10:52] <Aorious> markybob, Forgot that I can just backup
the file. xD Thanks!
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268[01:11:23] <dimitry7> jmcnaught, solution:
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269[01:11:25] <dimitry7> hehe, thanks"!
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270[01:11:38] <dimitry7> jml2, yes :)
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271[01:11:40] <dimitry7> thanks!!
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275[01:12:59] <jml2> yw
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287[01:18:46] <sander^home> Is hosting jboss on debian painfree
when it comes to upgrading?
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322[01:39:37] <jml2> sander^home, maybe.
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323[01:39:47] <jml2> :)
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329[01:42:29] <flyinprogrammer> i mean it's jboss though...
is it really ever painfree ?
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342[01:50:08] <acu> hello - sorry for most strange question - is
here anyone speaking Polish ? - I know is offtopic -but do not know
where to ask ?
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343[01:50:54] <dvs> !pl
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344[01:50:54] <dpkg> Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku;
jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl
na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on
irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>.
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346[01:51:17] <acu> thanks dvs
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347[01:51:24] <dvs> np
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348[01:53:33] <acu> dvs: do you speak Polish ?
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349[01:54:33] <dvs> nope
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350[01:55:08] <armftworno> hello everyone i need information for
armv7 device with armhf netinstall iso
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359[02:00:35] <armftworno> if its not a suported port device in
armhf is impossible to install right ?
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360[02:02:28] <zykotick9> armftworno: note, there is a
#debian-arm channel of OFTC...
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361[02:02:55] <zykotick9> s/of/on/
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362[02:03:23] <armftworno> i didnt saw this channel sorry
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367[02:04:42] <armftworno> thanks zykotick9
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368[02:04:55] <jmcnaught> armftworno: the armhf install manual
also has some information about what's supported
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372[02:06:32] <sander^home> flyinprogrammer: Do you have any
stories to share about jboss issues?
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373[02:06:35] <sander^home> ;)
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377[02:07:54] <flyinprogrammer> @sander^home once upon a time I
was in charge of a deployment/upgrade of a piece of tax software.
according to our startup scripts the deployment of the war should
not have caused the war to be hot deployed.... it did anyways...
needless to say that was a fun time
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379[02:08:28] <flyinprogrammer> not really jboss' fault,
all software is gross
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380[02:08:41] <arahael> flyinprogrammer: the deployment of the
war... caused the ... deployment of the war?
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381[02:10:09] <arahael> flyinprogrammer: oh, sorry. was a
strange sentence, especially when one forgets that tomcat has
"war" files. And one was in a channel talking about the
civil war (american) being motivated by finances.
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382[02:10:11] <flyinprogrammer> arahael: i realize this sounds
silly. if you deploy a war file to a directory under jboss'
control, and jboss is configured to hot deploy - it will hot swap
the war, aka auto deploy it
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383[02:10:21] <flyinprogrammer>
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384[02:10:33] <flyinprogrammer> basically it was critical this
piece of software not hot-deploy
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385[02:10:37] <flyinprogrammer> it hot-deployed
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386[02:10:52] <flyinprogrammer> i brewed a pot of coffee and
scheduled a vacation
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387[02:11:11] <cafuego> It shouldn't really be surprising
that victims get made with a file called war ;-)
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390[02:11:21] <arahael> flyinprogrammer: but you still
*deployed* it. i guess hot deployment is somehow different.
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391[02:11:44] <arahael> cafuego: indeed.
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394[02:12:16] <flyinprogrammer> arahael: basically there's
a dir called 'wars' and the idea was we'd put the war
file there, and the orchestrate bouncing the jboss servers
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395[02:12:58] <flyinprogrammer> instead of humans doing the
orchestration bit, jboss said 'oh hey, let me do that for you
buddy' and that brought everything down, hard, and sad :(
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396[02:13:10] <arahael> flyinprogrammer: there is something
about your use of the term "deploy" hat i'm not quite
gettjng.
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397[02:14:04] <flyinprogrammer> so i copied a war file to
'wars' -- jboss then 'deployed' the war file by
loading it and switching the traffic from the old version of the war
to the new version
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398[02:14:56] <flyinprogrammer> jboss was suppose to not do that
because we disabled the hot-deploy functionality so that we could
carefully orchestrate restarting jboss with the new versions of the
software
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400[02:15:26] <arahael> flyinprogrammer: so you
"deployed" the war, intending it NOT to be deployed. jbos
hen deployed it (due to being cknfigured to hot deploy it), which
was bad because it deployed it too soon. gotcha.
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401[02:15:38] <flyinprogrammer> exactly
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402[02:15:49] <flyinprogrammer> sorry for overloading the word
deploy
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403[02:16:02] <flyinprogrammer> nothing about jboss is easy to
explain i'm afraid :(
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404[02:16:22] <arahael> flyinprogrammer: i actually kind of
understood it, but excessive overloading is an issue i have.
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413[02:27:02] <sander^home> flyinprogrammer: WHats the diffrence
between a hot deploy and a normal deploy?
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414[02:27:19] <sander^home> save for later deploy?
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419[02:27:35] <sander^home> WHy should I need that?
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423[02:29:27] <flyinprogrammer> sander^home: it depends on the
version of jboss you're using - and i'm very far from
being an expert
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424[02:29:43] <flyinprogrammer>
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425[02:30:30] <flyinprogrammer>
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428[02:31:59] <flyinprogrammer> basically you can hot-deploy
jsp's and classes only sometimes get reloaded, there's
also the business of when jboss sees a new war file will it get
exploded
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429[02:32:10] <flyinprogrammer> will/when will it be exploded
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431[02:32:33] <flyinprogrammer> definitely play around with
different scenarios and get comfortable with it before going to
production
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432[02:32:44] <flyinprogrammer> or just use jetty embedded and
far jars
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433[02:32:48] <flyinprogrammer> *fat jars
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434[02:32:53] <flyinprogrammer> and be a cool kid
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438[02:35:13] <sander^home> sure.. I'll write a proper RFC
before I touch production:)
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440[02:36:26] <flyinprogrammer> @sander^home you kid but the
jboss community would appreciate it
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441[02:36:43] <flyinprogrammer> because this area seems to
change version to version
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462[02:49:22] <sander^home> flyinprogrammer: Understand.
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463[02:51:30] <sander^home> Or maybe I should just migrate
everything to google appengine;-P
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464[02:51:54] <sander^home> I guess there is compatibilitu
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466[02:53:57] <fred1807> I see plymouht on my system, (lite
commnd line only, no desktop), I dont use boot image. is it okay to
remove apt-get remove plymouth ?
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477[02:58:59] <zykotick9> fred1807: plymouth is NOT a
requirement to boot debian...
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479[02:59:45] <fred1807> zykotick9: it is only related to fancy
boot screens and nothing else, right?
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480[02:59:59] <zykotick9> ya, eye-candy...
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481[03:01:01] * zykotick9 did think the animated debian-squeeze
plymouth screen was "kinda neat"... once or twice
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495[03:05:31] <zykotick9> wow... memory can be so
"wrong" sometimes ;)
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499[03:07:41] <awwal> so no idea on how to check for available
upgrades via terminal as regular user?
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501[03:08:18] <awwal> apt list --upgradeable / aptitude search
'~U' wont wdo the job
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510[03:11:36] <sander^home> flyinprogrammer: Do you know about
an rfc for older versions of jboss?
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515[03:12:50] <jmcnaught> awwal: how does "apt list
--upgradable" not do the job? seems to work for me.
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518[03:14:19] <zykotick9> jmcnaught: my test as user seemed to
work to... i just wish i had an update to stable...
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519[03:14:50] <jmcnaught> "aptitude search ~U" also
works for a regular user on my outdated container i'm using to
test
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524[03:15:56] <awwal> jmcnaught, so it doesn't list
upgradable pkgs here as regular user and even as root; then I log in
as root and pt-get update && apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade
and pkgs are upgraded
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526[03:16:20] <awwal> hm
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528[03:17:31] <jmcnaught> awwal: both of those commands will
only show stuff that can be upgraded for root/non-root if the
indexes have been updated with "apt/apt-get/aptitude
update"
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533[03:18:53] <jmcnaught> awwal: maybe a cron job that updates
the indexes, or unattend-upgrades i think has a "download
only" feature
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536[03:19:29] <awwal> jmcnaught, so if the indexes aren't
updated previously (as root) apt list --upgradeable /aptitude search
'~U' will not work you mean?
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538[03:20:19] <awwal> I always clean the cache (apt-get
clean/autoclean) after upgrades; so that maybe be what makes those
command not working; ok
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540[03:20:51] <awwal> jmcnaught, have I understood?
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541[03:20:53] <awwal> :D
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544[03:22:49] <miesco> Hi. When I run mpd as user, I get
"socket: Failed to bind to '127.0.0.1:6600': Address
already in use". I have looked here,
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545[03:22:50] <judd> Bug
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546[03:23:53] <miesco> Oh, I typed `service mpd stop` and now it
works.
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547[03:24:09] <miesco> Do I have to do this on every boot?
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550[03:27:34] <awwal> zykotick9, missing upgrade with stable?
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551[03:27:37] <awwal> :D
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553[03:27:50] <miesco> Hmm. I guess i'll find out.
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555[03:27:53] <awwal> upgrades ^
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556[03:29:03] <zykotick9> awwal: this was a one-off situation ;)
typically i love debian's security, and how seldom i actually
have to get updates for stable...
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560[03:30:48] <awwal> :)
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575[03:40:11] <jmcnaught> awwal: what "apt-get clean"
does is clear out the cached .deb files from
/var/cache/apt/archives. If you want to be able to see if there are
upgrades available, you need to update the indexes with
"apt-get update" or an equivalent. Makes sense?
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580[03:42:16] <awwal> jmcnaught, yes! I understood. I was
thinking about what you said in your previous message, and
that's all logical. Thanks
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585[03:43:26] <jmcnaught> awwal: personally i'm not a fan
of upgrading packages automatically, in case there's problems
i'd rather they happen while i'm looking. but updating
this lists automatically would be safe
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588[03:44:46] <awwal> jmcnaught, I almost care about security
updates regarding my jessie machine
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589[03:46:08] <awwal> I havent heard before about
'unattended-upgrades' pkg; installing...
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594[03:47:06] <markybob> awwal:
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596[03:47:24] <awwal> markybob, thanks :)
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600[03:49:44] <zykotick9> i only look after 3 machines... but
i've never really trusted "automatic-updates"... i
want to know what was just installed, _if_ things go sideways.
luckily, with debian stable, that's never actually
happened/been required ;)
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602[03:50:57] <jmcnaught> yeah it's pretty rare for debian
stable upgrades to mess up. third party repos are another story
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604[03:51:01] <somiaj> I think you can configure
unattneded-upgrades to email your the apt-listchanges after each
upgrade.
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606[03:51:45] <somiaj> but for some reason I think there was an
issue in stable (with exim) that required some manual intervetion
during the upgrade, though maybe unattended upgrades just sends
apt-get a -Y to say yess to everything
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612[03:56:08] <jmcnaught> yeah it's pretty configurable,
you can also limit it to just security updates, or only from main,
or only certain days of the week. i still prefer to do it manually
when i get an email from debian-security-announce but i also
don't manage very many systems
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630[04:09:17] <zykotick9> jmcnaught: "third party repos are
another story"... even "2nd" party repos:
jessie-backports and m.d.n introduce "some" issues... on a
test system, after installing firefox, i couldn't install the
gnome main-metapackage without breakage :(
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634[04:11:05] <somiaj> yea jessie-backports or m.d.o sometimes
have their own versions of libaries which can interfer
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635[04:11:15] <jmcnaught> zykotick9: interesting. i installed
firefox-esr from mozilla.d.n, but didn't remove the iceweasel
package. does the firefox package conflict with iceweasel or
something?
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636[04:11:42] <zykotick9> jmcnaught: i think it's more in
line with somiaj library theory...
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637[04:11:47] <somiaj> also with how they are pinned, it is
sometimes best to install the version from jessie, then install the
version from jessie-backports (so when you add -t jessie-backports
the higher pinning will not pull in libaries from jessie-backports
unless they are needed)
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641[04:12:30] <somiaj> but it is totally possible due to how the
pinning works to make things uninstallable after installing a
package from jessie-backports (I had that issue on an install
recnetally too)
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644[04:12:51] <somiaj> it was easily fixed by installing the
correct libary that it couldn't resolv.
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647[04:14:19] <zykotick9> somiaj: i actually just redid the
install order... i installed gnome, then install firefox without
issue... it was just a "having fun" install, so i
didn't really care about it. it was interesting that backports
and m.d.n can have that effect on everything... thanks for the
explanation.
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648[04:15:03] <somiaj> zykotick9: the issue is something with
the >= depends, but while jessie-backports is pinned at 999, when
apt needs to install a new libary it will prefer the one from
jessie-backports (even if it is not needed)
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649[04:15:18] * zykotick9 tried gnome/kde/xfce/lxde for the first time
in a long time... he's still using dwm ;)
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650[04:15:26] <somiaj> so you could probabaly also install
firefox first from jessie, then from jessie-backports.
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651[04:15:31] <somiaj> zykotick9: fvwm here
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652[04:15:44] <jmcnaught> zykotick9: still sounds kinda strange
to me unless you also removed the iceweasel package
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653[04:15:47] <zykotick9> somiaj: i thought "those that
understood pinning, know not to use it" ;)
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654[04:16:21] <somiaj> zykotick9: jessie-backports is pinned at
1 unless you add a -t jessie-backports to your install line (which
is what you need to do when you install stuff from jessie-backports)
and all that does is pin it at 999
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655[04:16:39] <zykotick9> jmcnaught: it was starting from a
netinst with nothing installed, then i install a couple WMs, then
firefox to test it... and after that, i couldn't install
gnome...
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656[04:16:56] <somiaj> zykotick9: so the issue is during the
time you are installing from jessie-backports it has a choice,
install libary from jessie, or isntall it from jessie-backports and
the pinning makes the choice jessie-backports (even if the jessie
libary would be better)
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657[04:17:09] <somiaj> zykotick9: and since jessie-backports
works though pinning you can't really avoid that (afiak)
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658[04:17:43] <somiaj> but if the libary was already installed
from jessie it wouldn't upgrade it (unless needed)
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659[04:17:50] <somiaj> hence the install from jessie first
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669[04:24:53] <zykotick9> somiaj: sorry just curious, are you a
dd or dm? <- it's just out of interest, there is NO followup
question!
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758[05:24:41] <gry> 13:21 [PatienceZero] GOT WINNER?
MentalityFAIL
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759[05:24:44] <gry> PatienceZero, ?
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761[05:25:16] <gry> 13:25 [PatienceZero] GOT WINNER? NIET NIET
SOVIET
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762[05:25:23] <gry> PatienceZero, do you need help with debian
related?
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764[05:26:07] <PatienceZero> gry: I do not know what your
problem is, but please stop hilighting me in this channel.
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767[05:26:51] <gry> PatienceZero: do you have a debian related
problem? it's the only channel we share, and you're
messaging me, so it would seem you have a question or something to
say
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768[05:26:57] <gry> 13:26 [PatienceZero] GOT WINNER? WINNER
WINNER CHICKEN DINNER.
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769[05:26:58] <gry> and this stuff
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770[05:27:07] <gry> you can just talk here
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771[05:27:08] <PatienceZero> I asked you nicely. You are now
ignored.
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772[05:27:54] <gry> then just don't message me, ask other
people or something
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773[05:28:14] <gry> 13:28 [PatienceZero] GOT WINNER?
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774[05:28:16] <gry> I said no
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775[05:28:52] <gry> I don't know what your thing is.
it's a channel about debian, and debian doesn't have
'winners'
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777[05:29:36] <gry> 13:29 [PatienceZero] GOT WINNER?
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778[05:29:41] <gry> it's like you're deaf or something
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779[05:29:56] <markybob> gry: now you're the one spamming.
please stop.
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781[05:30:25] <gry> markybob: she's flooding me in msg with
this. I don't know why. if she doesn't have debian
business and is just annoying people, can it be fixed?
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782[05:30:42] <markybob> gry: you can /msg dpkg ops if you have
a problem. no need to flood in here
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784[05:31:18] <gry> I was just asking because confused users
often msg. if you think it's unrelated I'll forward these
things to another channel
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786[05:32:57] <gry> PatienceZero: if you ignored me, stop
messaging me, please
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787[05:34:15] <gry> PatienceZero: "/msg bots NOT
people" in topic fyi
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789[05:35:10] <markybob> gry: now you're getting on my
/ignore. i don't know why you think talking to seem that has
you on ignore will accomplish anything since they cant see you.
you're just annoying us
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790[05:35:20] <jmcnaught> gry: perhaps if you're being
harassed by someone you can seek remedy in #freenode but spamming
this channel is not going ot help
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791[05:35:29] <gry> it's ok I'm going to stop now,
sorry
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792[05:35:51] <gry> I don't know what this user is doing,
she/he seems confused
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795[05:37:47] <somiaj> zykotick9: just a hobbiest. I run sid as
my desktop os and on my work machines.
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796[05:38:10] <somiaj> zykotick9: well jessie on work machine,
sid on my play desktop.
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819[05:57:49] <cwong_on_irc> so wierd… i am doing a curl
-L
replaced-url
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821[05:59:46] <dax> that — looks highly suspicious
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822[05:59:51] <phy1729> don't do that
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823[06:00:07] <dax> also, yes, curl | bash is a terrible idea
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824[06:00:09] <dax> but still
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825[06:00:10] <phy1729> cwong_on_irc:
replaced-url
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830[06:02:41] <cwong_on_irc> that deployscript is mine. so i am
ok with it though
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832[06:02:56] <dax> perhaps the — should be -- ?
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834[06:03:33] <cwong_on_irc> ya. its --
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835[06:03:34] <elky> if you copied it from a wordpress, then
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836[06:03:55] <elky> (also many other things but 99% of the time
it's wordpress)
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860[06:28:13] <gry> cwong_on_irc, where is that copied from?
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861[06:28:33] <gry> or it's already -- and it still
doesn't work?
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1034[08:29:18] <xok> hello all I am having an issue on the
testing system....
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1035[08:29:57] <xok> i did a dist-upgrade last night and it does
not start the system now....
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1036[08:30:42] <xok> i tried logging in a recovery mode and to
start a gdm manually bit it alerts some errors...
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1037[08:31:17] <xok> the upgrade was done from wheezy to the
testing...
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1038[08:33:17] <jmcnaught> xok: upgrading from wheezy directly to
stretch isn't supported, it's basically like skipping a
major release at this point. you could try putting those errors on
replaced-url
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1047[08:41:55] <xok> the system is missing netwotk I will take a
screenshot drom mobile and upload it to imgur is that ok?...
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1048[08:43:24] <jmcnaught> xok: i guess, but it might be fairly
difficult to fix. why didn't you upgrade to jessie the current
stable release?
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1049[08:44:13] <xok> actually I madea mistake, I puted testing in
the sources.list
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1059[08:46:49] <xok> oh somethings wrong...
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1060[08:47:02] <xok> the sustem is still on the wheezy...
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1061[08:47:30] <xok> i just checked /etc/debian_version and it
said 7.9
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1062[08:47:51] <xok> lsb_release too says wheezy
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1065[08:48:25] <jmcnaught> xok: it's very likely that the
system didn't completely upgrade and is some frankendebian
hybrid of oldstable and testing
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1068[08:48:57] <xok> yeah probably....:-|
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1071[08:49:12] <xok> what are the chances to fix it?...
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1072[08:49:33] <jmcnaught> xok: what Installed version do you get
from "apt-cache policy libc6" ?
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1076[08:52:22] <xok>
replaced-url
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1077[08:52:28] <xok> this is it....
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1082[08:54:54] <jmcnaught> xok: that's the libc6 from
testing. it also looks like you still have wheezy entries in your
sources.list. Honestly I would consider doing a backup of your files
and installing a fresh Jessie system, will probably take less time
and effort than trying to fix this mess
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1083[08:55:26] <xok> yeah thats what I thought too...
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1084[08:55:39] <xok> thanks for the help...
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1087[08:56:16] <jmcnaught> xok: next time you do a major release
upgrade the release notes have detailed and easy to follow upgrade
instructions
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1089[08:57:06] <xok> yeah I will try to be more carefull next
time...
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1092[08:58:55] <slax0r> yeah, when doing something like that
it's not bad if you double check everything before you actually
do the upgrade :)
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1093[08:59:04] <slax0r> I did one not long ago, and it was a
breeeze
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1097[09:01:27] <xok> the upgrade was not planned it was an
accident...:-D
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1100[09:02:34] <slax0r> your finger slipped and it typed
dist-upgrade? :P
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1105[09:03:32] <xok> I was trying to install an application which
needed a newer version of libc...
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1106[09:03:57] <xok> after several hours I did a dist-upgrafe...
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1112[09:07:21] <jmcnaught> xok: the libc6 stays the same for the
entire lifespan of a Debian stable release. You might have been able
to safely run the application in a chroot, but upgrading to Jessie
probably would have been the best option (following the instructiosn
in the release notes of course)
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1114[09:08:13] <xok> yeah, I did a mistake I was tired...
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1123[09:13:49] <arahael> xok: Even better would be to have setup
a virtual machine and do the stuffing about in there - you can
easily blow away the snapshot and try again.
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that for my personal systems. :/
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1187[09:39:53] <aliouii_> hi all, why in debian some package are
always related : some version of db server work with some version of
extension package. so i can install older version of extension with
the newest version of server or the inverse. is it some sort of
generals rule of how debian repo work or am i in specific situation
??
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1191[09:40:37] <somiaj> aliouii_: debian releases frozen systems
and all binary packages are built for the version avaialbe on that
paticular release.
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1192[09:41:05] <somiaj> aliouii_: using packages from previous
releases (or testing/unstable releases) can cause problems due to
how binary packages are linked with the libaries when they are
compiled.
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1196[09:42:05] <somiaj> aliouii_: if you want to install a
version of one package in another version of debian it is best to
compile the package from source and build it for that paticular
version (and this is sometimes not possible due to version changes)
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1198[09:43:57] <aliouii_> ok thanks
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1252[10:11:36] <MeanEYE> Okay folks I really need help with this
shit AMD calls Radeon 56xx.
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1253[10:11:44] <MeanEYE> It's a laptop GPU, so it's
extra kind of shit.
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1254[10:11:57] <MeanEYE> fglrx driver is not available in testing
and pretty much anything else doesn't work.
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1255[10:12:03] <MeanEYE> Can someone suggest a sane solution.
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1264[10:16:11] <babilen> MeanEYE: Well, IMHO the sensible thing
to do would be to track testing, while still keeping unstable in
your sources.list at this point in the release cycle. That enables
the packaging system to come up with sensible solutions in the light
on transitions or package removals.
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1265[10:16:15] <babilen> dpkg: tum
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1266[10:16:15] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release
"testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit
sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one
set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable
install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as
usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release:
set Preferences->Distribution.
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1270[10:16:43] <babilen> MeanEYE: I'd also like to note that
testing (and unstable) are being supported in #debian-next on
irc.oftc.net rather than this channel
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1271[10:17:00] <MeanEYE> I know I know. I get told that every
time.
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1274[10:18:17] <MeanEYE> For the amount of times I've been
told that, I am yet to receive support there once. Just few people
and no one talking.
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1316[10:35:21] <donnoc> Hello my friends. I am trying to install
de_DE.UTF-8 on debian, but local-gen only generates en_US even de_DE
should be installed
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1321[10:36:25] <winsen1> Hi all
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1324[10:36:47] <donnoc> h winsen1
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1325[10:37:34] <winsen1> Do I need to clean temp...etc on debian
to make my system faster?
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1326[10:37:51] <jelly> dpkg, tell donnoc about locales
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1327[10:37:59] <colo-work> donnoc, does `grep -Ev
'^#|^$' /etc/locale.gen` list your desired locales?
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1329[10:38:56] <donnoc> colo-work: yes and there is only en_US.
but in 'locale -a' there is also german
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1331[10:39:22] <donnoc> colo-work: oh no, wait
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1333[10:39:44] <donnoc> colo-work: that was somewhere else
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1340[10:42:02] <donnoc> colo-work: there was a coment an german,
thank you
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1357[10:48:48] <colo-work> donnoc, you're welcome
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1359[10:49:55] <winsen> colo-work: hi, how to keep my system
clean and faster on debian or on linux in general?
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1361[10:51:14] <colo-work> winsen, /tmp will be cleaned
automatically after a while (if you ever reboot). typically, a
GNU/Linux system doesn't require you to look very much after
it. in case of Debian, keep the third-party packages and
repositories to an abolsute minimum, and you will be fine.
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1365[10:52:51] <winsen> colo-work: thank for answering, what do
you mean by "keep the third-party packages and repositories to
an abolsute minimum"?
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1367[10:53:31] <thnee> After upgrading to latest chrome the other
day, youtube videos stopped working, any tips? (Jessie)
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1368[10:53:36] <aZz7eCh> online accounts in jessie stable ..
should enabling 'documents' get me any 'access'
to my actual google docs/documents?
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1370[10:53:41] <colo-work> winsen, try to make do with what
Debian offers in its repositories.
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1374[10:55:21] <winsen> colo-work: do you mean if I change/adding
lines from other sources than debian...or?
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1375[10:55:33] <colo-work> basially, yes.
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1376[10:55:37] <colo-work> basically*
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1377[10:55:46] <winsen> ok
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1382[10:56:53] <winsen> colo-work: thanks, sometimes it's
very slow, I wanted to know...
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1386[10:58:20] <winsen> bbl
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1387[10:58:25] <winsen> colo-work: thanks again, have a great day
all
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1390[10:59:13] <colo-work> you too :)
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1458[11:39:37] <Iridos> I just now see that "less" is
supposed to show unicode if your locale settings have utf-8 in it...
or if you set LESSCHARSET (
replaced-url
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1459[11:39:52] <Iridos> the one on jessie only does it if I run
it as less -r
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1463[11:41:05] <Iridos> but even exporting LESSCHARSET I only get
escapes
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1467[11:43:40] <Iridos> maybe it's
replaced-url
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1468[11:43:41] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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1485[11:47:57] <[Brain]> can i install mysql 5.6 on debian 8.4?
it seems the default is STILL 5.5...
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1490[11:48:43] <Iridos> versions never change in debian stable...
there are only new versions with a new release (that's why
it's called "stable", you won't get new bugs
with new versions)
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1492[11:49:20] <Iridos> judd, versions mysql-server
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1494[11:49:20] <judd> Package: mysql-server on amd64 --
squeeze-security: 5.1.73-1; squeeze: 5.1.73-1; squeeze-security-lts:
5.1.73-1+deb6u1; squeeze-security-lts: 5.5.47-0+deb6u1;
wheezy-security: 5.5.47-0+deb7u1; wheezy: 5.5.47-0+deb7u1;
jessie-security: 5.5.47-0+deb8u1; jessie: 5.5.47-0+deb8u1; sid:
5.6.30-1; stretch: 5.6.30-1
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1496[11:49:29] <arahael> [Brain]: when was debian 8 released?
when was mysql released? more significantly, what license is it
under now?
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1499[11:50:41] <arahael> [Brain]: is debian even allowed to
compile and manage mysql anymore? who owns it?
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1500[11:51:02] <Iridos> arahael, obviously it is, else it
wouldn't be there
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1503[11:51:45] <[Brain]> Iridos: i see testing has it. im looking
into how to install the testing version under stable
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1504[11:51:54] <Iridos> judd, check-backport mysql-server
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1505[11:51:57] <judd> Backporting package mysql-server in
sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
jessie.
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1506[11:52:02] <Iridos> judd, check-backport mysql-common
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1507[11:52:03] <judd> Backporting package mysql-common in
sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
jessie.
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1511[11:53:08] <Iridos> [Brain], you can backport it yourself.
the bot here has a factoid with a short version on what to do for it
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1512[11:53:18] <arahael> Iridos: ah, i was under the impression
that we were supposed to use mariadb instead, but looks to be
definitely gpl.
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1513[11:53:20] <Iridos> dpkg, tell [Brain] about ssb
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1514[11:54:01] <Iridos> arahael, hm, that is ture... RHEL
switched... but the reason was that most developers left, not
because of legal reasons
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1516[11:54:22] <Iridos> judd, versions mariadb-server
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1517[11:54:23] <judd> Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- jessie:
10.0.23-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.23-0+deb8u1; stretch:
10.0.24-7; sid: 10.0.24-7
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1518[11:54:38] <arahael> ineiros: interesting.
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1519[11:54:51] <arahael> *Iridos: I terestigg :)
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1520[11:54:58] <arahael> damn it.
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1521[11:55:05] <arahael> Iridos: Interesting.
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1522[11:55:08] <Iridos> (and they possibly left because they
didn't like the new policy... I only skimmed the subject)
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1523[11:55:12] <Iridos> but good point
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1526[11:55:48] <Iridos> it won't address the thing that
anything in debian-stable is from the time of debian-stable, though
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1527[11:55:55] <arahael> personally i prefer sqlite3 and
postgresql.
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1529[11:56:54] <Iridos> I don't know if there are real
advantages between mysql and postgresql
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1532[11:57:33] <Iridos> but I used mysql for a bit about 10 years
ago ... and it's definitely much easier to remember commands
you once used however briefly then to switch
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1534[11:57:43] <Iridos> \d and \d+ seem hideous :P
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1535[11:57:58] <arahael> there are loads of differences, but the
most significant is probably the mysql's approach to
consistency and correctness.
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1539[11:58:37] <arahael> acid and all that. plus postgresql has
loads of developer support.
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1542[11:59:09] <Eduard_Munteanu> Is that still much of a
difference? Do they still use ISAM by default?
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1545[11:59:28] <arahael> Eduard_Munteanu: can't remember,
but they lost my respect.
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1546[11:59:55] <jelly> Eduard_Munteanu: they don't, but they
still throw all tables from all schemas into a single innodb store
by default
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1549[12:00:38] <jelly> so you want to not use defaults anyway
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1551[12:01:05] <Iridos> dammit... the unicode thing might
actually make me switch from less to most
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1552[12:01:28] <arahael> Iridos: eh?
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1554[12:02:27] <Iridos> arahael, I asked if anyone knew why less
doesn't handle a lot of unicode, but then found
replaced-url
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1555[12:02:28] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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1558[12:02:48] <arahael> Iridos: ah. apparently most juat passes
things through.
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1560[12:03:14] <Iridos> arahael, not really... try e.g. most
/bin/ls
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1561[12:03:34] <arahael> interesting.
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1563[12:03:59] <arahael> Iridos: there's always piping into
vim.
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1568[12:05:21] <arahael> Iridos: ie, foo | vim -
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1570[12:05:59] <Iridos> eww
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1572[12:06:14] <Iridos> arahael, vless is aliased to
`/usr/share/vim/vimcurrent/macros/less.sh'
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1573[12:06:21] <arahael> dkn't knock it. yiu have full
control over the encoding.
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1574[12:06:36] <Iridos> gah. the macro moved again
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1577[12:06:56] <arahael> looks weird. "vim -"
isn't that difficult.
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1580[12:07:34] <Iridos> vless is aliased to
`/usr/share/vim/vim74/macros/less.sh'
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1581[12:07:38] <Iridos> why does that look weird
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1584[12:07:52] <justatemp123> hello!
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1585[12:08:01] <justatemp123> can i ask a probably gdm related
question here?
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1587[12:08:07] <arahael> Iridos: well, not weird, just...
pointless.
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1588[12:08:13] <Iridos> anyway, in general, I prefer a pager for
paging, an editor for editing
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1590[12:08:22] <arahael> justatemp123: what if we say no, after
you just asled a quesrion?
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1591[12:08:28] <justatemp123> ill cry
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1592[12:08:30] <justatemp123> then move on
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1594[12:09:00] <arahael> justatemp123: don't ask-to-ask.
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1597[12:09:09] <arahael> justatemp123: just ask :)
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1598[12:09:23] <Iridos> or vim -R ... but the point of an alias
is to have a simple single command (obviously)
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1599[12:09:23] <justatemp123> yessss!!
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1600[12:09:53] <Iridos> justatemp123, at least, it's very
hard for anyone to answer if you don't ask... or if you
don't include the needed useful information
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1603[12:10:22] <justatemp123> im running debian 8, and i tried to
install cuda from the repo, while i have proprietary drivers from
the nvidia site.. not surprisingly it didnt end well.
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1604[12:10:33] <arahael> justatemp123: infact, people usually
ignore the ask-to-ask questions. as they neither contribute anything
meaningful, nor actually ask anything.
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1608[12:11:29] <justatemp123> i wiped all nvidia rellated
packages and reinstalled the prop. drivers, but now when i turn on
my computer i get an "oops something went wrong" screen,
and i have to switch to another virtual terminal, log in as usual
and startX
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1609[12:11:37] <justatemp123> is this a GDM configuration
problem?
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1610[12:11:41] <arahael> justatemp123: why do you use
nvidia's proprietary drivers anyway?
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1611[12:11:49] <justatemp123> gaming!
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1612[12:12:12] <arahael> noeueveu didn't work?
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1613[12:12:33] * arahael isn't a debian gamer, though.
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1616[12:13:10] <justatemp123> they did, but the prop drivers gave
me more fps in most games
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1620[12:13:54] <arahael> ah.
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1621[12:14:51] <Ticho> when I last tried nouveau, it
couldn't even run an opengl composited desktop environment
(KDE) without tearing
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1623[12:15:09] <Iridos> uh, you didn't use the nvidia
installer for that?
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1624[12:15:31] <justatemp123> i did!
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1625[12:15:38] <justatemp123> also did the nvidia-xconfig
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1627[12:15:43] <Iridos> dpkg, why nvidia-installer sucks
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1628[12:15:44] <dpkg> nvidia-installer works fine for you today,
granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated -- the nvidia
driver will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer
--uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites
files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. We
recommend against using it based on extensive experience. USE THE
DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia>.
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1629[12:15:47] <justatemp123> so its not the xorg conf
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1632[12:16:10] <Iridos> I guess that factoid explains quite what
happened
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1633[12:16:12] <Iridos> dpkg, nvidia
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1634[12:16:13] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing
units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on
Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary
"nvidia" driver, see
replaced-url
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1636[12:16:45] <justatemp123> i dun goofed didnt i
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1638[12:17:21] <Iridos> I am not sure what was overwritten... or
if we have a factoid on that (doesn't look like it)
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1639[12:17:30] <Iridos> maybe you could try using debsums to see
what changed?
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1642[12:18:12] <justatemp123> wait let me google that
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1646[12:19:18] <Iridos> but yeah, fixing that could be a pain
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1648[12:19:24] <justatemp123> i did debsums -ce
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1649[12:19:27] <justatemp123> /etc/gnome/defaults.list
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1650[12:19:27] <justatemp123> is changed
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1651[12:19:31] <Iridos> mmh. the wiki page on that seems to be a
bit of a mess, too
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1653[12:20:26] <Iridos> I more thought to use debsums to see if
any binaries were switched
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1654[12:20:39] <justatemp123> oh i thought of configurations
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1656[12:20:59] <Iridos> by default, you don't have an
xorg.conf at all
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1658[12:22:18] <justatemp123> im getting some missing files from
libegl1-mesa now
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1661[12:22:42] <Iridos> that may well be it, if you removed it
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1662[12:23:03] <Iridos> try apt-get install --reinstall
libegl1-mesa
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1663[12:23:12] <justatemp123> changed libOpenCL....
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1664[12:23:28] <justatemp123> i really should do a clean install
and get nvidia drivers from the repos dont i
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1666[12:24:44] <justatemp123> more changed binaries in xorg
extensions
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1667[12:25:45] <justatemp123> ok i reinstalled every package that
seemed changed..
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1668[12:25:52] <justatemp123> we will see on the next restart
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1670[12:25:55] <justatemp123> thank a lot :)
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1671[12:26:00] <justatemp123> thanks*
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1684[12:32:13] <kzar> Anyone know of a Emacs snapshot repository
for Debian Stretch?
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1721[12:51:30] <Lope> where can I find the debian keyring?
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1722[12:51:40] <Lope> I don't have debian installed.
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1741[13:03:15] <wewlad> hi debs, why's the no
fonts-wine-development for debi?
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1746[13:04:36] <jelly> ,v fonts-wine-development
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1747[13:04:37] <judd> No package named
'fonts-wine-development' was found in amd64.
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1751[13:05:28] <jelly> wewlad: probably because wine packaging
changed yet again... which debian release are you using?
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1753[13:05:41] <wewlad> jelly: 8.4
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1755[13:05:49] <jaggz> in Jessie, with kde, I can't seem to
create a new activity
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1757[13:06:32] <jaggz> It's my first time using activities
(I'm apparently always just in Main/the default activity). When
I click my Activities widget it shows main, but when adding a new
activity, no option seems to create a new activity .. I don't
see any change
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1758[13:07:01] <jelly> wewlad: what does «aptitude search
'~nfont ?source-package(wine-development)'» say?
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1759[13:07:21] <wewlad> jelly: nothing
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1761[13:07:42] <jelly> so it's gone
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1763[13:08:01] <jelly> wewlad: which version of wine-development
do you have installed?
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1764[13:08:05] <jelly> if any
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1766[13:09:16] <wewlad> jelly: 'apt-cache show
wine-development'?
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1767[13:09:41] <wewlad> the one at top is 1.9.5-3~bpo8+1, the one
at bottom is 1.7.29-4
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1768[13:10:36] <jelly> wewlad: pastebin the whole output, and
also output of "apt-cache policy" and also the output of
the command you actually ran that made you ask this question in the
first place
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1771[13:12:35] <wewlad> 'apt-cache show
wine-development':
replaced-url
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1772[13:12:45] <wewlad> jelly: ^
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1778[13:18:20] <jelly> wewlad: so fonts-wine-development does not
even exist any more, just uninstall it?
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1780[13:19:14] <wewlad> jelly: uninstall what?
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1781[13:19:38] <jelly> wewlad: the package named
fonts-wine-development, if you have it from before
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1785[13:20:29] <wewlad> jelly: no, I don't have it, thus
nothing to uninstall. But I guess that I need that, because I'm
experiencing some issues where I don't see a caret in a wined
text editor :(
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1790[13:23:01] <jelly> wewlad: if you look at the changelog for
wine-development, it seems both wine and wine-development now use
fonts-wine package.
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1800[13:29:20] <wewlad> jelly: thanks, unfortunately that
didn't resolve the issue with invisible caret for me... :(
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bitrate higher than 2mbps on several 802.11n routers (made by
different manufacturers, with completely different software and
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and it wants to remove 'mountall' too ... I dont care for
boot screen but mountall sounds like something important, can I
remove it too?
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1847[13:48:52] <arahael> fred1807: eh? mount root ro. done?
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1848[13:49:07] <arahael> fred1807: or you mean, on a CD, rebooted
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1849[13:49:24] <fred1807> mount root ro
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1970[14:52:24] <shodan`> I can't seem to install any
packages on my fresh jessie install
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1971[14:52:32] <shodan`>
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1972[14:52:45] <shodan`> Could there be any reason for this?
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1973[14:53:06] <Iridos> no, there couldn't possibly be a
reason for this
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1974[14:53:25] <Iridos> (well, you asked for that)
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1976[14:53:49] <Iridos> judd, versions apache2-bin
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1977[14:53:49] <shodan`> if there is no reason then I can go home
early and get drunk, so either way is fine in my book
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1978[14:53:50] <judd> Package: apache2-bin on amd64 --
jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u1; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u4;
stretch: 2.4.18-2; sid: 2.4.20-1
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1979[14:54:18] <Iridos> you're probably mixing in some way
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1980[14:54:22] <abrotman> dpkg: tell shodan` about jessie
sources.list
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1981[14:54:28] <abrotman> you have no main source
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1982[14:55:24] <Iridos> but... apache2 is in main, too?
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1983[14:55:55] <Iridos> shodan`, show us the output of
"apt-cache policy" before you change things
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1985[14:55:59] <shodan`> abrotman: I do have a main source:
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1988[14:56:16] <themill> shodan`: no, you only have security
updates
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1989[14:56:21] <Iridos> heh
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1991[14:56:22] <themill> dpkg: tell shodan` about jessie
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1994[14:56:35] <Iridos> seems abrotman was right :)
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1996[14:57:03] <shodan`> yeah just noticed it
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1997[14:57:11] <shodan`> no clue how I missed this, fixed it
stuff works again
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1998[14:57:12] <shodan`> Thanks
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2002[14:58:09] <Iridos> and don't just uncomment volatile...
I think your cdrom sources were the one that provided main... but
you didn't add a repo on the net to replace them
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2005[14:59:22] <shodan`> I just added the ones that I use in my
other installs
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2011[15:01:06] <frozengeek> hey all, I am wondering if anybody
else is seeing race condition wrt systemctl restart apache? When we
restart apache, the old apache still has ports open the moment the
new apache already tries to open them.
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2030[15:05:39] <Iridos> frozengeek, seen that a lot for our
flexlm servers (not apache, not systemd, not debian)... I thought
systemd might be the tool to handle that better
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2034[15:06:16] <Iridos> that seems to be something in the kernel
as such, that ports can stay bound for a long time if certain
conditions ar met
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2035[15:06:36] <Iridos> one thing we suspect is that it takes
much longer to free the port if the same process has occupied it for
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2037[15:07:24] <Iridos> but I use letsencrypt on my debian
machine and that needs an apache restart and I haven't seen any
problems there
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2039[15:08:24] <frozengeek> Iridos: I kind of know the issue, but
not to the line where the bug is. there are 2 issues in the
initscript: a) it exits 0 if apache failed to start b) it returns
from a stop before apache is completely dead. So it's probably
dependant on how fast your apache stops.
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2040[15:08:39] <fred1807> I am building a read-only system, can I
disable systemd-random-seed and systemd-tmpfiles from boot ?
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2041[15:09:00] <frozengeek> Iridos: also, yes, systemd is the
tool to handle it better, if you use native systemd units
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2044[15:09:49] <Iridos> this is on jessie, I guess?
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2045[15:10:00] <frozengeek> Iridos: yes, on jessie.
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2046[15:10:21] <Iridos> have you looked at
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2052[15:11:48] <Iridos> hm, I don't see anything in there
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2053[15:11:57] <frozengeek> Iridos: thanks, it's this one
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2054[15:11:58] <judd> Bug
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2055[15:12:22] <Iridos> but that is SysV?
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2058[15:12:51] <Iridos> oh... old init-script with systemd
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2059[15:13:24] <frozengeek> Iridos: yeah, that's pretty much
the big issue here, there are barely any native units in jessie.
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2060[15:13:46] <Iridos> well, the bug is 5 days old.
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2065[15:14:45] <Iridos> just a couple of lines in the init script
to change
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2073[15:17:47] <frozengeek> Iridos: yeah, I didn't have time
to research it when we first hit it, now i hit it again, and tought
maybe ask around a bit. :-)
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2082[15:23:04] <funtoohopeful> hello. what is the latest kernel
being used in debian stable?
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2090[15:29:23] <abrotman> judd: kernels
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2092[15:29:25] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.6.0-rc3-686 (4.6~rc3-1~exp1); sid: 4.5.0-1-686-pae
(4.5.1-1); stretch: 4.5.0-1-686-pae (4.5.1-1); jessie-backports:
4.5.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.5.1-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae
(3.16.7-ckt25-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1)
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2093[15:29:29] <Iridos> oh so sorry we didn't answer within
20 seconds to something you could have figured out within 2 minutes
yourself
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2095[15:29:43] <Iridos> he's dead, jim, d-e-d, dead
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2096[15:29:46] <Iridos> well, gone, anyway
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2107[15:32:00] <jim> ded??!!! o no!!
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2129[15:39:48] <Drugo> Hello. When i try to install
lumina-desktop from this repo "deb [arch=amd64]
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2131[15:41:10] <teraflops> Lolwat
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2133[15:41:47] <abrotman> Drugo: how would we know what their
packages do?
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2135[15:42:42] <Drugo> abrotman, i know this is not supported
here, just asking if someone knows
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2136[15:42:44] <abrotman> Drugo: though, given that one of their
packages depends on lxpolkit, not sure why they're surprised
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2138[15:43:03] <Drugo> ok
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2139[15:43:14] <abrotman> Drugo: lxpolkit depends on lxsession,
thus you have what you're seeing
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2140[15:43:25] <abrotman> you can try without recommends if you
want
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2141[15:43:33] <abrotman> ultimately, they're small
packages, I'd probably ignore it
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2142[15:43:47] <Drugo> ok, thanks
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2146[15:45:08] <johnfg> hi folks
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2147[15:45:16] <johnfg> Still tweaking a few things with
permissions.
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2148[15:45:58] <johnfg> They aren't right on /var/log/exim4,
apparently. Got a mail about it. What should owner:group be for
/var/log/exim4?
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2155[15:48:09] <jordanm> johnfg: Debian-exim:adm
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2156[15:48:25] <johnfg> jordanm: Ok, thanks
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2158[15:50:17] <johnfg> jordanm: That's what I have, but
here's the mesgs I got. Note that the date, however, is last
December:
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2162[15:50:52] <johnfg> If I'd fixed this earlier, should I
now, maybe, just delete the paniclog?
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2163[15:51:25] <jordanm> johnfg: yes, truncate it
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2164[15:52:46] <johnfg> jordanm: K, I thought that would maybe do
it. Is there a way to run whatever generated the mesg?
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2165[15:53:05] <johnfg> i.e., to check and see if that fixed the
problem?
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2171[15:55:20] <doebi> installing "texlive-latex-extra"
also yields the installation of "texlive-latex-extra-doc"
how can i prevent that?
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2181[15:58:31] <doebi> got it "--no-install-recommends"
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2220[16:14:53] <nindustries> Hi, is it possible to set a IPv6
DUID during installation?
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2226[16:15:58] <somiaj> nindustries: I haven't tried, but
ipv6 shoudl be availble during the install and you can switch over
to a console during the install to add things manually if needed.
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2227[16:16:07] <somiaj> nindustries: so can't say for sure,
but I don't see why not.
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2230[16:16:16] <nindustries> hmm
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2232[16:16:43] <nindustries> I'm not used to ipv6 but I need
to use it as my Online.net provider only gives me a subnet with a
DUID
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2233[16:17:28] <somiaj> me either, I can't give you much
more advise that I don't see why it wouldn't work, though
unsure if it needs extra help or is included in the installer
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2234[16:18:08] <nindustries> aha!
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2235[16:18:08] <colo-work> I have a 5TB drive as the only drive
in a machine that uses BIOS/MBR to boot. is there any way to have
this drive provide /boot/ while also having its full capacity
available to Debian's (Jessie) Linux kernel?
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2236[16:19:24] <somiaj> colo-work: does it need to be in a single
partition?
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2240[16:20:11] <colo-work> somiaj, I'd ultimately like to
have a ~60GB filesystem for / and /boot, and the rest of the drive
available for md or LVM
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2242[16:20:33] <dury> hi there channel :-)
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2243[16:20:38] <colo-work> the ~60GB slice needs to be a proper
MBR boot partition; for the rest, anything that works is fair game
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2247[16:21:50] <somiaj> colo-work: I am unsure here, as I
don't use LVM, but I think LVM can be configured to use
multiple partitions and piece them together.
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2249[16:22:08] <somiaj> colo-work: maybe you'll have to make
2TB partitions (mbrs limit for a single partition) and let LVM
string them together for you
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2250[16:22:15] <somiaj> but I'm unsure on the details
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2253[16:23:10] <colo-work> somiaj, I think MBR partitions are
stored as abolsute offsets into the whole drive's available LBA
sectors, which would mean that there's no way I can get any
kind of MBR partition created past the 2T limit
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2258[16:24:10] <dury>
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2260[16:24:46] <dury> mine is geforce gt 650m
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2261[16:24:47] <somiaj> colo-work: ahh I thought it was a
limitation as per partition size, not per disk. I coudl be mistaken
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2262[16:25:04] <dury> but crashes
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2265[16:25:51] <TomTomTosch> dury: you installed the drivers from
the nvidia website?
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2267[16:26:59] <TomTomTosch> dury: or did you do the correct
thing and read the wiki?
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2273[16:29:21] <dury> TomTomTosch, I don't want to do that
'cause it crashes I'm sure. did it several times
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2276[16:29:55] <dury> happy with default driver noveau or
something
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2279[16:30:23] <anton02> on a typical home LAN can all traffic be
monitored by any connected peer whos running something like
wireshark?
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2282[16:30:51] <anton02> or does the person running wireshark
need to be the host computer providing the shared internet
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2283[16:30:59] <naomo> ciao a tutti
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2284[16:31:09] <naomo> !list
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2285[16:31:10] <dpkg> naomo: vedi
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2329[16:43:22] <dury> TomTomTosch, could you please help me to
install kali tools on jessie? do you know what I mean?
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2332[16:46:08] <awwal> dury, kali is debian based and almost all
it's pkgs are available in debian repos. check those you want
and install them. thats all
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2335[16:47:52] <TomTomTosch> dury: no, sry. all i have is a
bootable usb drive with kali. i think there is a channel for that
though.
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2338[16:49:34] <seeother> dury: I think you can just add kali
repository to sources.list, and configure apt-pinning
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2339[16:49:45] <seeother> dury:
replaced-url
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2340[16:50:54] <dury> TomTomTosch, awwal, seeother, what are the
most interesting tools to install in jessie, guys?
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2344[16:51:21] <awwal> dury, tools of what?
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2348[16:51:42] <seeother> so basically you need to add this repo
"deb
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2349[16:52:01] <TomTomTosch> dury: the base system is very slim.
you have then the option to install about 40k packages of your
liking.
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2351[16:52:27] <seeother> and create file in
/etc/apt/preferences.d with this config
replaced-url
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2352[16:52:40] <awwal> he refers to kali tools xD
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2357[16:53:23] <dury> tools for hacking
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2358[16:53:31] <awwal> dury, this channel is for debian gnu-linus
OS support, not for hacking, kali and similar stuff
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2359[16:53:34] <awwal> forget it
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2361[16:53:39] <TomTomTosch> dury: i would be careful with what
seeother said. if you want kali you would be better off using the
kali installer and its own repos.
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2363[16:54:28] <dury> ok I know what you mean, sorry
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2366[16:55:29] <awwal> just create a VM in your debian system and
install kali there. thats your best choice.
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2367[16:56:44] <TomTomTosch> !tell seeother about frankendebian
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2369[16:57:07] <dury> TomTomTosch, awwal, what's the main
purpose to use debian?
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2373[16:58:05] <TomTomTosch> dury: to have a stable and secure
operating system with a vast software repository.
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2376[16:59:49] <seeother> TomTomTosch: thanks. so the best option
is to make separate installation of derived distro? what about
something like debootstrapped chroot environment?
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2378[16:59:59] <dury> for my opinion it's very flexible
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2379[17:00:20] <TomTomTosch> seeother: that's fine as well.
just keep your system clean.
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2380[17:00:55] <dury> like more than ubuntu
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2383[17:02:14] <dury> TomTomTosch, awwal, finally, your opinion
about ubuntu...? if you din't mind, please
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2385[17:02:36] <dury> din't = don't
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2386[17:02:49] <Abbott> so this package:
replaced-url
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2402[17:07:37] <JordiGH> I wonder if I'm going to
artificially inflate popcon results by installing popcon on both my
work and home laptop.
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2403[17:08:04] <JordiGH> Also, how does popcon work when
you're not on all the time? Does it use anacron or systemd
timers or what?
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2410[17:11:14] <awwal> JordiGH,
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2419[17:13:12] <JordiGH> awwal: I read that, it refers to cron.
That doesn't explain what happens on a laptop when it
isn't on at the at default times when the cron job fires
according to the FAQ.
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2429[17:14:27] <venkat_330> I am planning to setup my USB stick
with 3 drives (EXT4,EXT4,FAT32). On first partition would install
GRML ISO and 2nd partition for storage and 3 (FAT32) for storing
logs. It will be helpful if FAT is auto mountable in windows and
easy for remote technicians to share data. However, I was able to
partition the device but after partitioning windows is not detecting
the drive. Reading forums suggests to use LEXIT bit and make pen
drive as HDD
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2430[17:14:58] <venkat_330> .I just want to undertand this and do
it in Linux way.
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2432[17:15:35] <Iridos> I'd want to understand what that has
to do with debian
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2441[17:16:48] <jelly> venkat_330: linux way is "keep it
like this and ignore what windows thinks"?
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2443[17:17:23] <JordiGH> Remember goodbyemicrosoft.com ?
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2444[17:17:23] <venkat_330> Iridos: I am trying to explore what
options are available in Linux.
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2451[17:19:03] <venkat_330> jelly: Yeah..In india still windows
is running and our engineers has to share us data from browsing
centre.
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2456[17:19:39] <jelly> venkat_330: I'm not sure what that
has to do with debian, tho... use a second stick?
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2460[17:20:58] <jelly> venkat_330: are you saying something like
"I need a debian live usb, with persistence, and a vfat
partition accessible from windows"?
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2461[17:21:18] <venkat_330> jelly: yes
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2467[17:23:24] <jelly> venkat_330: keep the first partition vfat
with grml or whatever live system; second partition ext2/3/4 for
persistence. Order is important, I think, so verify with your
windows systems esp. if you have old crap like 2003
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2469[17:24:17] <dury> TomTomTosch, awwal, hey guys what about
this
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2470[17:24:45] <TomTomTosch> dury: what about this?
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2473[17:25:08] <jelly> venkat_330: #grml (here on freenode) and
#debian-live (on irc.oftc.net) may help with details. I'd try
to get persistence running on your own first
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2480[17:25:52] <TomTomTosch> dury: it's the repository where
you can get the latest firefox from for debian jessie. you can add
that safely to your sources.
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2481[17:26:07] <dury> TomTomTosch, I mean replace iceweasel for
firefox is that a frankendebian
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2482[17:26:11] <venkat_330> jelly: Yes i am using LILO currently
to achieve this. With this mode LIVE files are accessible to users
and when USB diskes is inserted under windows and chances for
corruption is high
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2485[17:26:23] <venkat_330> i am trying to avoid that.
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2487[17:26:42] <TomTomTosch> dury: no, only non-debian sources
make it a frankendebian or sources that are not meant for your
version of debian.
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2498[17:28:55] <dury> TomTomTosch, what's happen if I add
that repo ? does iceweasel disappear or what?
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2499[17:29:09] <jelly> venkat_330: what is LEXIT btw?
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2501[17:29:39] <TomTomTosch> dury: no, but you can install
firefox additionally.
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2503[17:29:50] <dury> TomTomTosch, or I got both version
iceweasel and firefox
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2507[17:30:43] <venkat_330> jelly:
replaced-url
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2513[17:31:21] <dury> TomTomTosch, I will get latest firefox and
it will be more secure to surf on the net, right?
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2515[17:31:47] <greycat> OK, someone explain to me in actual
words what the Samba 4.2 upgrade in jessie means when it says I
should investigate " - smb signing = required". There is
no such option in smb.conf(5). There are similar-looking options but
they do not have "required" as one of the possible values.
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2519[17:32:44] <TomTomTosch> dury: you can get the latest stable
firefox from there. iceweasel is just as secure though, as it is
covered by the debian security team.
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2523[17:33:48] <dury> TomTomTosch, right I see, thanks indeed
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2525[17:34:18] <hiya> hey guys what's up?
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2526[17:35:20] <greycat> All of this Samba shit is *so*
confusing. It all assumes that I have some knowledge of this crazy
Microsoft world. But I don't.
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2528[17:35:41] <greycat> I don't know what an "NTLM
auth" is. I don't know what an "SMB signing" is.
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2529[17:36:04] <greycat> I just want to know what I have to do to
smb.conf before I can upgrade the damned package.
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2530[17:36:10] <JordiGH> I love hearing greycat grump.
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2531[17:36:11] <colo-work> hehe, I feel you
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2532[17:36:31] <Iridos> from what version to what version do you
get that?
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2534[17:36:45] <colo-work> presumably 3.x to 4.x
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2536[17:36:58] <greycat> Jessie to Jessie. There is a security
update in Jessie that upgrades you from Samba 4.1 to Samba 4.2.
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2537[17:37:04] <colo-work> ah
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2538[17:37:23] <greycat> The NEWS.Debian.gz file tells me to
consider using "smb signing = required" but there is no
such option.
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2540[17:37:25] <themill> that one even got a logo
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2543[17:38:10] <Iridos> aptitude changelog shows this for
2:4.4.1+dfsg-1... but that might have been backported... so maybe
CVE-2016-2114 ?
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2544[17:38:27] <greycat> Do they really mean "client ipc
signing"? Or "client signing"? Or "server
signing"? None of these have "required" as an option.
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2554[17:42:03] <themill> #820983 btw
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2555[17:42:04] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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2563[17:45:58] <hiya> Do you think Debian would ever release a
version called Debian Fresh?
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2565[17:46:10] <hiya> Which would be updated version of Debian vs
Stable?
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2566[17:46:15] <hiya> like to fight Fedora :D
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2567[17:46:21] <JordiGH> hiya: There was CUT.
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2568[17:46:25] <JordiGH> I don't know if that ever went
anywhere.
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2569[17:46:57] <hiya> What is CUT?
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2570[17:48:04] <themill> it meant sufficiently many different
things to different people that it ended up meaning nothing at all
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2571[17:48:29] <greycat> dpkg, jessie samba is <reply>A
security update in jessie upgrades Samba to 4.2. The NEWS.Debian.gz
file has some errors. See <replaced-url
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2572[17:48:30] <dpkg> greycat: okay
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2574[17:49:27] <JordiGH> hiya: 'Twas Continuously Usable
Testing.
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2575[17:49:38] <hiya> ok
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2577[17:50:02] <JordiGH> Looks like it died in 2012.
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2578[17:50:14] <JordiGH> Honestly, I'm quite happy with
stable+backports myelf.
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2579[17:50:16] <themill> it was never actually a thing
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2580[17:50:17] <JordiGH> myself
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2581[17:50:18] <hiya> I want to shorten the Debian's tittle
window's big space
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2582[17:50:20] <hiya> is there a way?
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2583[17:50:31] <greycat> the what window?
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2584[17:50:36] <teraflops> heh
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2594[17:57:28] <greycat> No, seriously, I have no idea what
he's asking.
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2597[17:58:38] <teraflops> nor do I. I realized many people
confuse e.g gnome with debian
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2600[18:00:21] <jhutchins> Is there a way to see what symlinks
exist for a given folder? IE if /mnt/nfs/files is symlinked to
/var/replaced-url
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2602[18:00:41] <hiya> sed -i
"/title_vertical_pad/s/value=\"[0-9]\{1,2\}\"/value=\"0\"/g"
\
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2606[18:00:57] <greycat> jhutchins: sym links can be anywhere in
the entire file system, so you would have to search everywhere. E.g.
using find.
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2607[18:00:59] <hiya> I just executed it and it did make the
titlebar small but the problem is that now I want to revert it
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2608[18:01:03] <hiya> how is it possible?
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2612[18:01:26] <greycat> hiya: you omitted the end of that
command that tells us *what file* you are editing
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2614[18:01:27] <dury> catch you all later, byeee
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2617[18:02:28] <hiya> greycat, sed -i
"/title_vertical_pad/s/value=\"[0-9]\{1,2\}\"/value=\"0\"/g"
\
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2618[18:02:30] <greycat> Also your sed -i (with no extension) did
not create a backup copy of the file, so I hope you had a backup to
return to.
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2619[18:02:33] <hiya> I did not do anything but this ^
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2620[18:02:41] <greycat> hiya: the \ at the end means "this
command is continued on the next line"
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2628[18:05:19] <Stephen44> Anyone here to help a newcomer
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2631[18:05:51] <greycat> !ask
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2632[18:05:52] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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2634[18:06:18] <hiya> greycat,
/usr/share/themes/Adwaita/metacity-1/metacity-theme-3.xml
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2636[18:06:47] <Stephen44> Do you feel proud with the name dpkg
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2637[18:06:54] <greycat> Oh dear gods. Editing XML files with sed
-i.
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2638[18:06:57] <abrotman> Stephen44: Do you need help with
Debian?
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2639[18:07:06] <Stephen44> Yes
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2644[18:08:15] <greycat> hiya: to revert, if you did not make a
backup copy of this file, the easiest thing would probably be to
reinstall the metacity package. This shouldn't be marked as a
config file (it's not in /etc), so reinstalling the pkg should
overwrite it.
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2645[18:08:21] <hiya> greycat, hehe :D what all did that command
change?
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2646[18:08:38] <greycat> hiya: it changed *some number* (no clue
what it was) to 0.
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2649[18:08:54] <hiya>
title_vertical_pad/s/value=\"[0-9]\{1,2\}\"/value=\"0\"/g
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2651[18:08:57] <hiya> greycat, ^
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2652[18:09:11] <hiya> obvious title_Vertical_pad's value to
0
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2653[18:09:11] <greycat> YES, I SAW THE DAMNED SED COMMAND three
times now
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2654[18:09:17] <hiya> :D
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2655[18:09:29] <greycat> Yes, it CHANGES it to 0. But you
don't know what it WAS.
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2656[18:09:31] <hiya> it just did that?
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2658[18:10:02] <greycat> Since you don't know what it WAS,
you don't know what to change it BACK TO, so just reinstall the
package, which should reinstall that file.
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2662[18:11:40] <hiya> greycat, metacity?
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2663[18:11:42] <hiya> nothing else?
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2664[18:12:05] <greycat> Whichever pacakge that file is in.
I'm assuming it's in metacity.
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2665[18:12:17] <greycat> You could use dpkg -S to verify that.
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2669[18:12:42] <hiya> greycat, nothing is fixing it
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2671[18:13:09] <greycat> Did you reinstall the package? Did you
look at the file to see if it changed? Did you use dpkg -S filename
to verify that we're using the right package?
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2672[18:14:00] <Iridos> hiya, " dpkg -S
/usr/share/themes/Adwaita/metacity-1/metacity-theme-3.xml "
tells you that it's gnome-themes-standard-data
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2673[18:14:14] <greycat> Ah, sorry for the incorrect guess.
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2677[18:14:53] <hiya> Iridos, greycat fixed
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2678[18:14:53] <hiya> :D
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2679[18:15:10] <hiya> gnome-themes-standard-data
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2695[18:19:34] <hiya> is there a better player than smplayer?
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2696[18:19:43] <hiya> since smplayer is totally outdated in
Debian 8
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2697[18:19:48] <hiya> and there is no backports
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2699[18:20:09] * greycat isn't sure what "outdated" even
means...
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2700[18:20:14] <greycat> ,v smplayer
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2701[18:20:15] <judd> Package: smplayer on amd64 -- squeeze:
0.6.9-1; wheezy: 0.8.0-1+deb7u1; jessie: 14.9.0~ds0-1; sid:
16.4.0~ds0-1; stretch: 16.4.0~ds0-1
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2702[18:20:32] <greycat> No backports. Maybe it's not
popular enough? Or maybe backporting was too hard.
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2704[18:20:55] <hiya> ,v kernel
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2705[18:20:56] <judd> No package named 'kernel' was
found in amd64.
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2706[18:21:00] <greycat> You want ,kernels
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2707[18:21:03] <hiya> ,v kernel-image
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2708[18:21:04] <judd> No package named 'kernel-image'
was found in amd64.
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2709[18:21:07] <hiya> :D
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2710[18:21:11] <hiya> ,kernel
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2711[18:21:12] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.6.0-rc3-686 (4.6~rc3-1~exp1); sid: 4.5.0-1-686-pae
(4.5.1-1); stretch: 4.5.0-1-686-pae (4.5.1-1); jessie-backports:
4.5.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.5.1-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae
(3.16.7-ckt25-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1)
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2712[18:21:13] <hiya> ,kernels
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2713[18:21:14] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.6.0-rc3-686 (4.6~rc3-1~exp1); sid: 4.5.0-1-686-pae
(4.5.1-1); stretch: 4.5.0-1-686-pae (4.5.1-1); jessie-backports:
4.5.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.5.1-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae
(3.16.7-ckt25-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1)
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2714[18:23:50] <hiya> greycat, I really miss a Debian Fresh
edtion
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2719[18:25:10] <hiya>
replaced-url
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2720[18:25:17] <hiya> do you think this is safe?
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2723[18:26:49] <tremon> ,check-backport smplayer
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2724[18:26:50] <judd> Backporting package smplayer in
sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
jessie.
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2729[18:29:01] <Iridos> isn't smplayer mplayer + gui?
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2742[18:31:43] <Iridos> hiya, so what is it that newer players
have that the one in stable doesn't
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2747[18:32:36] <hiya> Iridos, a lot of things
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2748[18:33:24] <Iridos> that's incredibly specific
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2753[18:34:46] <DHowett> I've got an early boot VM
provisioning tool starting from sysvinit; it's single-run and
removes itself when it's done. Is there an equivalent in
systemd boot where I can "stop the world" early on?
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2756[18:34:51] <DHowett> i suppose maybe it makes sense in an
initramfs
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2758[18:36:38] <Iridos> "a lot of things" sounds a lot
like "I got SNS"
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2760[18:37:21] <tremon> hiya: are you on jessie? going purely by
the version numbers, the jump from 0.8 to 14.9 seems a lot bigger
than 14.9 to 16.4
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2766[18:38:42] <hiya> Iridos, ok ok
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2767[18:38:45] <hiya> tremon, :D
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2769[18:39:00] <teraflops> Iridos: imho that SNS nonsense can be
quite unaccurate most of the time
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2771[18:39:06] <hiya> I think I am in love with Debian, I have
travelled Fedora land and then Trisquel and then I got back
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2773[18:39:36] <dontknow> hiya, wellcome back :D
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2778[18:40:24] <hiya> dontknow, wtf you here too ? :D you
everywhere bro :D are you a FSF fan like me too?
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2780[18:40:54] <Iridos> teraflops, dunno... a single great thing
in a new version would have been a lot more informative, yesno?
Like... something one might consider having oneself.
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2781[18:40:56] <dontknow> hiya, i am debian fan ^^
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2782[18:41:18] <teraflops> Iridos: iwas speaking in general not
smplayer itself
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2783[18:41:32] <teraflops> Iridos: that said I only use debian
stable
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2784[18:42:25] <tremon> hiya: you can /msg dpkg ssb to get some
(very terse) instructions on how to perform a backport yourself
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2785[18:42:41] <hiya> dontknow, ok cool, but you were going for
"16.04 Crapbuntu"?
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2786[18:43:46] <dontknow> hiya, yes. temporary
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2790[18:45:26] <hiya> dontknow, if Debian releases a Fresh
Edition which is in competition to Fedora updated packages wise then
it would actually take 40
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2792[18:45:33] <hiya> 40 percent of Fedora's desktop market
share
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2793[18:45:34] <hiya> D:
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2794[18:45:37] <hiya> What do you think?
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2801[18:46:33] <raspberrypifan> hi all, is there any point to
having the user be on a separate partition anymore
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2807[18:47:55] <dontknow> hiya, i doubt it. there is already
testing and sid
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2810[18:48:09] <Circuitsoft> Hello - I have several network
interfaces that are not named right on boot.
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2811[18:48:19] <Atomic_m1txT2> if you are the user.. it depends..
easier to backup?
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2812[18:48:27] <Circuitsoft> This is a sever with onboard Intel
ethernet, and a Solarflare card.
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2813[18:48:57] <Circuitsoft> After booting, if I "modprobe
-r sfc" then "modprobe sfc" then the devices come
back with the correct names, according to
/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net-rules
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2815[18:49:08] <Circuitsoft> But for some reason that's not
applied on boot.
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2816[18:49:15] <raspberrypifan> hmm
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2819[18:50:22] <Atomic_m1txT2> Circuit, are the devices mounted
with different names?
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2820[18:50:30] <Lapis1> what is the easiest way to stop of
launching any graphical client on debian at the start, so that only
console will be loaded (and that I can fix back later, if needed)
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2822[18:50:37] <Circuitsoft> Yes.
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2823[18:50:47] <circuit> :-)
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2824[18:50:51] <Circuitsoft> After looking now, it appears that
persistent-net-rules.conf is not included in initramfs.
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2829[18:51:24] <Circuitsoft> Lapis1: systemctl disable
<xdm/gdm/kdm/lightdm/whatever you use>
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2830[18:51:26] <drkshad0w> I have a preseed file for the
installer and I'd like to change a value in that via the
early_command. How can I do that?
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2833[18:51:51] <tremon> raspberrypifan: for single-user,
single-OS systems, there's not that many reasons for it. But
it's still easier to reinstall if your data is on a separate
partition
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2834[18:52:04] <Lapis1> circuitsoft thanks, I will try it
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2840[18:53:46] <Iridos> teraflops, ah, I thought you mean the
accusation of SNS can be quite unaccurate
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2852[18:56:42] <raspberrypifan> ah i see
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2853[18:56:43] <Haohmaru> does debian by deffault prevent listen
sockets to be accessible from outside? like.. firewall?
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2854[18:57:05] <tremon> it doesn't
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2857[18:58:00] <greycat> There is no firewall by default, at all.
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2859[18:58:00] <tremon> it is assumed that when you install a
package that listens on a port, you want to have it reachable
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2860[18:58:10] <Haohmaru> i set up an irc server on a freshly
installed debian 8.4, i can connect from the same machine to it, but
i can't connect from another computer on the network, it says
"connection refused" immediately
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2862[18:58:13] <KobraLocke> Has anyone figured out why htop in
testing is dynamically displaying mem/sawp in GB instead of MB once
it gets past 1GB? More importantly, has anyone figured out how to
return it to a sane setting?
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2863[18:58:26] <greycat> Haohmaru: perhaps you are on a private
LAN inside a NAT router.
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2866[18:59:08] <greycat> Oh, same LAN? Well, then perhaps this
particular ircd has to be told to listen on * instead of 127.0.0.1
or something.
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2869[18:59:52] <tremon> probably that, yes. Some (many?) services
bind to localhost-only in their default configuration
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2871[18:59:56] <greycat> KobraLocke: file a bug report, or ask in
the testing support channel.
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2873[19:01:17] <Haohmaru> hm
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2874[19:01:42] <Haohmaru> if it binds to 127.0.0.1 it won't
go to eth0 at all?
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2876[19:01:56] <greycat> correct
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2877[19:02:02] <Iridos> that's "lo"
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2880[19:02:10] <greycat> You should be able to verify this with
ss or netstat or lsof ....
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2888[19:05:41] <KobraLocke> greycat: I think I found the cause of
the issue, and the offending code, but I'm not sure how it
could be rewritten. It would seem, based on what I've been
looking at, that this is a new intended "feature" of htop.
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2889[19:06:02] <Haohmaru> yeah, that was it.. the bind address
was localhost, removed it and now it works
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2891[19:06:03] <Haohmaru> yey
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2892[19:06:12] <greycat> You can always file a bug report, even
if it's for a wishlist option to turn it back to the way it
used to be.
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2893[19:06:20] <greycat> Worst that can happen is the maintainer
yells at you.
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2897[19:07:25] <KobraLocke> I just don't know why anyone
would want htop to display memory usage in GB, and switch back and
forth dynamically. Also, the aesthetics were ruined by the addition
of a decimal place.
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2898[19:07:27] <KobraLocke> Sigh...
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2911[19:11:07] <Atomic_m1txT2> most people who use a swap likely
use GBs not MBs of ram
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2916[19:11:25] <greycat> Totally depends on the age of the
hardware.
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2961[19:27:51] <HarveyPwca> Yes. In the days of hard drives that
were 25 MB swap was measured in Kb.
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2964[19:28:32] <HarveyPwca> As was your RAM.
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2966[19:28:45] <greycat> Swap space has always been the same
order of magnitude as RAM.
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2968[19:29:02] <greycat> 1x, 2x, 4x, maybe a bit more, but never
MUCH more.
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2973[19:30:17] <HarveyPwca> It was still measured in Kb not MB in
the "good ol' days".
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2980[19:32:24] <HarveyPwca> Most lappies sold with a paltry 16 or
32 Kb and upgrading to 64 or 128 Kb was VERY pricey.
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2985[19:33:29] <greycat> I remember the good old days when a
kilobyte was 1024 bytes, and nobody tried to make us use made-up
baby-talk words.
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2986[19:33:37] <iKarith> HarveyPwca: I have computers whose RAM
is measured in Kb. :)
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2988[19:33:47] <HarveyPwca> Near $400 apiece as I recall spending
for the 128's.
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2991[19:34:09] <iKarith> Two of 'em complete and functional,
#3 arrives in 2 days. Labeled "Bigger than a breadbin".
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2994[19:34:48] <iKarith> The others are more fruity and one
oversized (slow) calculator running an emulator to run BASIC ;)
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2999[19:36:18] <HarveyPwca> I'm recalling my first laptop.
That had a WHOPPING 25 Mb hard drive and two 128Kb RAM modules. Of
course it was pre-linux.
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3004[19:37:29] <abrotman> HarveyPwca: Need help with Debian?
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3007[19:38:57] * iKarith is trying to interface his dinosaurs with
Debian :)
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3009[19:39:42] <HarveyPwca> Since I came late to the
conversation… Which version?
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3011[19:39:52] <iKarith> I think I'm gonna need hardware for
the TI and the Commodore when it gets here though.
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3012[19:39:52] <greycat> I've heard of computers running
powered by a potato, but never powered by a dinosaur.
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3016[19:40:42] <iKarith> greycat: Funny you should mention that.
We have this nice device that powers a Raspberry Pi off an Apple
//'s bus (and also provides the nifty interface to it)
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3017[19:41:03] <iKarith> I don't have one of those and
they're a little hard to get, but it can be done with older
RPis.
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3019[19:41:33] <iKarith> A2 system bus is limited to 500mA
though, so ... that's not happening with the later ones.
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3020[19:41:56] <iKarith> And I wouldn't run Debian on the
older ones. :( armel? No thanks.
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3058[20:00:33] <iKarith> is there a particularly useful way to
convince aptitude to default to upgrading packages to resolve a
"broken" upgrade rather than suggesting that the first
solution is to remove a hundred packages including base-files ? :P
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3061[20:01:22] <iKarith> usually the upgrade-dependencies option
is the 2nd or 3rd solution, but the first always seems to be to
remove some Essential: Yes packages.
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3063[20:01:28] <iKarith> And that should not be the default!
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3069[20:02:38] <iKarith> Yeah here... 1/2 ... suggest 97
removals. 2/2 suggest 4 upgrades
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3091[20:12:51] <aliljet> hey! is there a good place for me get a
guide to building a debian package? something simple -- I want to
basically install mysql with a few specialized changes.
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3094[20:14:17] <teraflops> aliljet: apt-source + quilt is fine
for me if you like patches
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3098[20:16:32] <lorddaedra> hello) may I ask another one newbie
question here: why do debian install 3 tools: apt-get, apt and
aptitude?.. I know aptitude better than apt-get (aptitude allow to
use '--add-user-tag' option), I thought , apt-get is old
way, aptitude is new way, but now I see 'apt'..
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3104[20:17:30] <aliljet> teraflops: is there anything that will
guide me to building a package from scrizzle scratch?
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3106[20:18:28] <teraflops> aliljet: there is a factoid here
I'm not aware of, maybe someone here can /tell you
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3107[20:18:44] <aliljet> teraflops: <3
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3109[20:19:00] <lorddaedra> so what is better : apt or aptitude?
and as I see Debian developers like package managers, we will see
more of them in new Debian releases, isn't it? :-)
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3115[20:21:17] <crayon> what does the `file` command do exactly?
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3116[20:21:20] <crayon> just read header info?
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3118[20:22:45] <humbot> MAGIC
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3119[20:22:57] <crayon> k
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3133[20:26:35] <aliljet> one more oddly newbie question:
apt-source -- how would I know what package that is contained
inside?
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3159[20:35:48] <toruvinn> aliljet, maybe packages.debian.org
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3162[20:36:15] <aliljet> toruvinn: from the cli is there
anything?
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3167[20:37:32] <toruvinn> aliljet, tbh maybe you just need
apt-get build-dep?
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3175[20:41:26] <venkat_330> jelly:
replaced-url
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3181[20:42:36] <jelly> venkat_330: i'm the wrong person to
ask on this, barely got persistence working with my grub stick :-)
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3183[20:42:49] <jelly> and it's built in, there
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3216[20:51:56] <hiya> Where can I find the SSH login logs?
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3218[20:52:13] <greycat> /var/log/auth.log
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3220[20:52:30] <digidog> I usually install Debian with several
partitions like root (/) /usr /var /home /swp /tmp etc. My question
belongs to some more mobility: I would like to put /var/replaced-url
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3224[20:53:12] <brigo> digidog, are you talking about run the
installer again?
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3226[20:54:27] <jim> digidog, this is a laptop?
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3227[20:55:07] <digidog> brigo: no. fresh install. the problem
is, how to make /home mobile and how to tell another Debian on
startup to look for /home somewhere else. maybe my concept is
nonsense ...
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3229[20:55:43] <jim> you can do that kind of thing in /etc/fstab
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3230[20:55:45] <digidog> jim: doesnt matter. its about mobility.
I would like to "hang in" my /home/user on other Debian
systems
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3231[20:55:57] <hiya> greycat, I want to disable logging
completely, is it possible?
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3232[20:55:59] <digidog> jim: oh sry, was for the Q before
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3233[20:56:13] <greycat> Probabyl.
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3234[20:56:30] <digidog> hiya: why would you like to do that? o.@
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3235[20:56:53] <digidog> hiya: especially for SSH its important
to know the login ogs
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3236[20:57:00] <digidog> *logs*
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3237[20:57:01] <anddam> hi, I've got a virtual disk image
that was on a physical disk that failed, the vdi has been recovered
(not by me) and I'm trying to access it using a virtualbox vm
with latest jessie
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3239[20:57:25] <digidog> jim: good point! -> fstab
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3240[20:57:30] <jim> digidog, the issue with /home is only that
users and groups (which would own the files in your /home and
possibly elsewhere) are in /etc/passwd and /etc/group which
generally live in the / partition
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3242[20:57:45] <digidog> *facepalm*
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3243[20:57:48] <digidog> jim: true that
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3244[20:57:56] <hiya> digidog, ok, but I want to disable all the
logs,
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3245[20:57:57] <anddam> I can connect the image to the SATA
controller and both fdisk and cfdisk can see the FAT
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3246[20:58:20] <anddam> i.e. I can see the two partitions that
where on the virtual drive with their correct size
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3247[20:58:22] <digidog> hiya: I hope you dont talk about a
server, since this would be No good idea for SSH
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3248[20:58:41] <hiya> greycat, is there a way to fresh install
Debina Jessie from active install esp. if the hosting provider would
not give you option to enter bios boot menu etc ? I can ssh / do VNC
?
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3249[20:58:59] <anddam> trying to run fsck on the Linux partition
(i.e. Id 83) says that the superblock is broken and suggests a
couple block address for backup
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3250[20:59:00] <hiya> digidog, I am talking about a server only
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3252[20:59:29] <anddam> since I don't know if it's ext2
3 or 4 is using the fsck wrapper safe?
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3253[20:59:40] <digidog> hiya: well, each its own. I know that
wasnt your question, but I would strongly recommend NOT to turn off
logging for SSH.
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3254[21:00:04] <anddam> that is, will i break the fs more if I
try to use fsck.ext3 with an ext2 partition?
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3255[21:00:06] <jim> digidog, there are probably various
workarounds... on my system I have a partition with my /home, and I
only have a couple users
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3256[21:00:46] <jim> suffice it to say that sharing amongst
various installs of debian on the hd sorta works
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3257[21:01:52] <jim> but that's pretty much only because the
planets happened to align correctly at the time (aka: I got lucky
this one time)
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3258[21:02:01] <digidog> jim: :)
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3260[21:02:25] <hiya> digidog, ok
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3261[21:02:38] <digidog> jim: well, the systems I would like to
share my home with are not random so I think your approach would
work fo rme. I only have to make sure that the user exists on them
all
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3262[21:02:47] <hiya> Is there a way to start a new installation
in VM enviornment from an active installation?
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3263[21:02:53] <jmcnaught> anddam: are you operating on your only
copy of the recovered filesystem? make a copy of it, then you can
make mistakes.
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3264[21:03:10] <Mr-R> digidog: user should exist and user-id and
groupid should be the same
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3265[21:03:34] <jim> digidog, you also have to make sure the user
number (or userID) matches the files and home dir
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3266[21:04:00] <digidog> Mr-R: oh, good point. yes, without the
correct ID the username is like a post man lost in streetnames :p
@.@
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3267[21:04:03] <anddam> jmcnaught: already done a copy
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3269[21:04:13] <Mr-R> digidog: first user on most systems gets
uid 1000 and gid 1000. for multiple users it could be a pain...
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3270[21:04:37] <digidog> Mr-R: hm ...
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3272[21:04:42] <jim> one time I did this same thing, and I
wasn't so lucky... so I had to change user IDs in /etc/passwd
and group IDs in /etc/group, worked ok after that
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3273[21:05:12] <digidog> Mr-R: jim: changing IDs afterwards
sounds not like agood idea to me? ....
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3275[21:05:33] <digidog> *a good*
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3277[21:05:43] <jim> if you ever have to edit those files
directly... be super careful, make a backup of any files in /etc you
end up changing
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3278[21:05:50] <Mr-R> digidog: if /home is on different partition
its not so bad. just change the ids in /etc/passwd and /etc/group
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3279[21:05:54] <greycat> If you're sure there are no files
owned by users outside /home it's not the worst idea.
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3283[21:06:58] <Mr-R> greycat: users with important files outside
/home? bah. :o)
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3284[21:06:59] <jim> I'm a little curious, what's your
situation that you find yourself wanting to share the /home
partition like that?
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3285[21:07:15] <jhutchins> digidog: WHat is thepurpose of
chopping things up like that?
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3286[21:07:44] <jhutchins> digidog: That kind of partitioning
made sence when a 10M disk cost $20,000 and was the size of a
washing machine.
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3289[21:08:04] <digidog> greycat: hm yes true on the other hand
again
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3290[21:08:06] <anddam> i tried a couple trick that I found on
web, tried -b 8193, -b 32768 and dumpe2fs to see if there were
backups
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3293[21:08:35] <anddam> but even dumpe2fs says
"Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock"
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3294[21:08:40] <anddam> any further hint?
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3297[21:08:49] <digidog> jhutchins: LOL, yeah... old men and
habits
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3300[21:11:15] <digidog> jhutchins: no, seriously, it still makes
sense for some purposes, like limiting swp and tmp partitions to
force keeping it small or to prevent tmp clutter all over the HD.
Maybe its just in my head but it feels more sorted to me like that.
And last but not least to have my /home on another disk surely
requires to be another partition ;-)
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3304[21:13:20] <digidog> jim: Well I usually did it the lazy way
in the last 2 years: I simply ignored the user folder and put my
stuff simply on another disk. But somehow I would like to use the
home folder again and simply move around with it. I run several
laptops and have to work on 2,3 different working stations and I
woudl like to have my files always on the same place in the paths
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3305[21:14:00] <digidog> for batch scripting for example
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3308[21:15:25] <jim> digidog, hmm... maybe you could have a
server with the shares mountable
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3313[21:16:13] <digidog> jim: greycat: Mr-R: ... but as I sad
already ... maybe it is not the best idea to do it that way. there
can occure several problems with sym linked scripts or executables
etc...
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3316[21:17:08] <digidog> jim: I already have, but the /home files
should not be on a server ;-) for many reasons, first because of
size: raw media files
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3317[21:17:46] <digidog> jim: or private docs, etc.
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3318[21:17:51] <jim> it doesn't have to be your whole /home,
just a subtree so you can work
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3321[21:18:39] <digidog> jim: hm
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3324[21:18:49] <jim> anyway, it's not a complete idea
really... you'd have to flesh it out for your situation
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3331[21:19:59] <jim> there are probably dozens of details in your
situation I'm not aware of, that you would have to either keep
as is or work around
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3332[21:20:13] <digidog> jim: dont worry, your thoughts on my
issue are awesome, thank you for your time. I just go back and forth
in mind with it.
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