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3 [00:03:16] <nvz> I also learned from experience that these
devices often need to be provisioned like cell phones and you have
to be on the native network to do that.. I once had one sent to me
and it was verizon and the nearest verizon tower was miles away.. I
had to drive over state lines to get it to work initially, then it
roamed with ease
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7 [00:06:53] <ws2k3> n4dir: it looks like debian is not
using/reading the fstab
8 [00:08:18] <n4dir> as said, i misunderstood your problem. No
clue why that might happen
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10 [00:10:19] <nvz> fstab has nothing at all to do with that
issue
11 [00:10:31] <nvz> fstab knows absolutely nothing what so ever
about what filesystems are mounted
12 [00:11:06] <nvz> such things are in /etc/mtab or /proc/mounts
13 [00:11:32] <tomreyn> the latter would depend on a mounted
file system, though
14 [00:11:33] <nvz> idk which it typically uses when mount is
ran without arguments but I know with absolute certainty its not
fstab
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18 [00:13:01] <nvz> one could figure out this, as well as debug
this issue by using strace
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21 [00:14:45] <nvz> I personally ignored the question initially
cause in and of itself I didnt see any problem and it was too vague
to go on
22 [00:15:09] <nvz> I'd try other similar commands like df,
lsblk, etc.. see if they show mounted filesystems
23 [00:15:20] <nvz> and strace to get more information
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26 [00:17:34] <nvz> I'd also of course try accessing
/proc/mounts and /etc/mtab
27 [00:17:57] <ws2k3> nvz: when i run mount -o remount,rw / then
/ is writeable just fine
28 [00:18:28] <nvz> wait, are you booted in some odd way like
with init=/bin/bash ?
29 [00:18:39] <nvz> or in a chroot or something
30 [00:18:56] <ws2k3> nvz: no the machine boots fine. but once
booted its read only
31 [00:19:43] <nvz> yeah, its suppose to be.. it gets remounted
after it passes a check typically
32 [00:21:50] <nvz> is it even booting to the actual rootfs or
are you still in initrd prior to a pivot_root?
33 [00:22:30] <ws2k3> nvz: its booting the actual rootfs
34 [00:22:48] * nvz shrugs
35 [00:24:00] <nvz> if the original issue is that its booting
normally to a login and rootfs is still read-only, I'd forget
all the previous suggestions as you're diagnosing from the
wrong end worrying about mounted filesystems
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38 [00:24:21] <nvz> I'd look in dmesg or journalctl -k for
hardware errors related to the disk, perform an fsck on the rootfs,
etc.
39 [00:25:47] <nvz> I'd also check your fstab for anything
out of the ordinary, and it'd be a good a time as any to
mention anything odd you've done since this occured..
installing a non-debian-stable kernel, fooling with grub or such..
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41 [00:26:18] <nvz> or if this is in any way not a standard
bare-metal system
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48 [00:35:20] <ws2k3> its a vm not bare metal system. but i will
keep search thx so far
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85 [01:21:31] <yanmaani> Possible to resize zram swap while in
use?
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94 [01:35:40] <nvz> I'd imagine its subject to the same
restrictions as any swap device.. you can make more and add them..
but other than that..
95 [01:35:56] <nvz> you'd have to flush your cache back,
turn them off.. etc
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104 [01:46:41] <yanmaani> hm, I guess I could just dump another
device in there
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106 [01:46:55] <yanmaani> does zram/swap prioritize based on
compression ratio?
107 [01:46:59] <yanmaani> And why isn't it on by default?
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111 [01:54:31] <phogg> it's not something everyone will
always want
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115 [01:55:10] <yanmaani> Isn't it strictly better?
116 [01:55:22] <yanmaani> Considering it can use the freed up ram
for disk cache
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143 [02:31:28] <yanmaani> If I want to resize my swap, do I need
to just do swapoff, swapon, or do I need to remove it too?
144 [02:32:31] <yanmaani> (zram swap)
145 [02:32:57] <sponix> yanmaani: not sure what a zram swap is.
But normal swap it depends on if you are using a swap file, or swap
partition
146 [02:33:08] <yanmaani> It's a block device
147 [02:33:20] <yanmaani> If I make the block device bigger, will
swapon recognize that?
148 [02:33:54] <sponix> yanmaani: sure :)
149 [02:34:11] <sponix> you will want to swapoff, do the change,
then swapon
150 [02:34:14] <yanmaani> cause mkswap (optionally) takes a size
param
151 [02:34:22] <yanmaani> that's not of importance?
152 [02:34:34] <sponix> oh yeah.. mkswap is likely needed too :)
153 [02:34:44] <yanmaani> I've done mkswap once
154 [02:34:50] <yanmaani> Can I just do it again?
155 [02:34:52] <sponix> just don't give mkswap a size, leave
it
156 [02:34:57] <yanmaani> with the same label
157 [02:35:02] <yanmaani> or do I need to run like rmswap
158 [02:35:17] <sponix> yanmaani: swapoff, change block dev,
mkswap on it, then swapon
159 [02:35:27] <sponix> I didn't even know rmswap existed :P
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161 [02:35:31] <yanmaani> doesn't
162 [02:35:41] <yanmaani> thanks
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187 [03:21:27] <yanmaani> How come normal swap isn't
compressed?
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189 [03:23:29] <sponix> yanmaani: because swap is supposed to be
fast, so that compression would add overhead
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196 [03:35:56] <yanmaani> not necessarily
197 [03:36:06] <yanmaani> if the CPU isn't maxed out, then
you'll have less to write to disk
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199 [03:36:22] <yanmaani> if it takes 0.1s to compress something,
but this allows you to write it in 0.3s instead of 0.5s that's
a net gain
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201 [03:37:50] <sponix> seems you should be Asking Microsoft to
help you out with "Ready Boost"
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295 [05:11:09] <wikan> hello
296 [05:11:27] <wikan> I have problems with Pulseaudio server
297 [05:11:32] <wikan> two problems
298 [05:12:07] <wikan> first one is not so much important because
I do not relogin very often... actually almost never but...
299 [05:12:24] <wikan> ...PulseAudio server stops working after
relogin
300 [05:12:41] <wikan> pavucontrol says "Estabilishing
connection to PulseAudio"
301 [05:13:15] <torchinz> Hi. I am getting a Kernel module
failure at boot (Debian Buster). Following the error, I checked the
systemctl and got this:
replaced-url
302 [05:13:56] <wikan> and other problem is that I always must
open pavucontrol after I login to change output device because the
default one is speaker but I have headphones connected all the time
and pulse can't see it to change by self (Unplugged)
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304 [05:15:44] <wikan> and this problems is only Pulse problem,
without Pulse (uninstalled) alsa works fine
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306 [05:16:42] <sponix>
replaced-url
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310 [05:21:09] <wikan> hmmm, thanks sponix. It seems I can
autostart pulse ;)
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312 [05:22:28] <sponix> torchinz: gotta be honestly with you.
That log didn't say anything to me. might check syslog or dmesg
and see if anything stands out there
313 [05:22:59] <sponix> torchinz: and is it just this message
bothering you, or is there specific module(s) that aren't
loading that you _need_ ?
314 [05:23:48] <torchinz> sponix, sorry about that. Since the
system boots up fine, I do not see any issues here. However, in
addition to the above log, the nvidia.persistence does not start up
either.
315 [05:24:50] <sponix> torchinz: I have Zero ideas what a
nvidia.persistence is supposed to be
316 [05:25:08] <sponix> torchinz: are your Nvidia graphics
drivers working ?
317 [05:25:40] <torchinz> sponix, I ran sudo dmesg and got this:
replaced-url
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319 [05:27:50] <sponix> torchinz: from what you can tell is
everything "working okay" ?
320 [05:28:00] <sponix> torchinz: seems you might just be new to
Linux
321 [05:28:25] <wikan> this error looks like all errors I see on
boot :)
322 [05:29:31] <sponix> Linux is very verbose. The information it
displays often worries people. Most I can say is, If it isn't
Truly Broken -- quit trying to fix it :)
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340 [05:48:51] <alex11> what does [ 0.259430] ACPI: [Firmware
Bug]: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored mean in dmesg?
341 [05:49:01] <alex11> i don't imagine it's serious
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349 [05:56:43] <sponix> alex11: seems safely ignored
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373 [06:08:32] <somiaj> alex11: firmware is terrible at compling
to standards and is often buggy in terms of that, that is just the
kernel saying hey firmware is buggy, but it has been dealt with.
374 [06:09:04] <somiaj> acpi (and the old apm) is esiplically non
standard across firmwares
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482 [08:36:47] <Deknos> hey, i want to prefix all files in a
directory with a rising number. does anyone have a clever onliner or
specific program for such a task?
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492 [08:52:55] <Unit193> `seq` and `rename`?
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522 [09:21:40] <jelly> the perl variant of rename ought to be
smart enough to do it on its own
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527 [09:23:18] <jelly> Unit193, rename -n '$::i++; $_ =
sprintf("%03d", $::i) . $_' some files here ($::i
because $i is in local scope otherwise)
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529 [09:26:15] <Unit193> Ah, nice.
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531 [09:28:34] <jelly> I can't take credit, couldn't
remember $::foo on my own
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537 [09:32:45] <Wulf> Good Morning. Is there a tool to list all
files in /usr which are not part of any installed package?
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543 [09:35:41] <Unit193> ...Well, not a tool but this might sort
of get you started: sudo find /usr/ -type f -exec dpkg -S {} +
2>&1 | grep "no path found" | grep -ve pyc
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551 [09:40:22] <shtrb> Anyone here using sipe with teams , and
can share if they can work with office365 and what application ?
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553 [09:41:16] <jelly> does that work at all? I use the official
teams client
554 [09:41:46] <shtrb> it seem to send the message , over sip ,
sometimes I get the answer and sometimes I don't
555 [09:42:19] <shtrb> jelly, what "offical" app are
you using , flatpak , snap , some obs repository ?
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560 [09:43:01] <shtrb> jelly, for me it worked by using
"sipdir.online.lync.com:443" as server and
"UCCAPI/15.0.4420.1017 OC/15.0.4420.1017 (Microsoft Lync)"
as the UA in pidgin
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562 [09:43:08] <shtrb> ,v teams
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564 [09:43:47] <kale> do you guys know of a network documentation
tool. i am thinking something like defining devices and their NICs
and what they are connected to?
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566 [09:45:06] <rockworld> can someone tell me if virbr0
interfaces need to be set in the interface files to work on
virtmanager?
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568 [09:45:14] <shtrb> rockworld, no
569 [09:45:37] <rockworld> shtrb: alright thank you
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571 [09:45:46] <kale> rockworld: i have the bridge it self
defined, but not the virtual nics
572 [09:46:06] <shtrb> rockworld, but the virt* should start
properly (it would be auto raised / removed by the proper services)
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575 [09:46:58] <jelly> shtrb, the electron app is not free, .deb
downloadable from
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576 [09:47:09] <jelly> it sets up its own repo afterwards
577 [09:47:24] <rockworld> ok cause my debian 10 virtual machine
doesnt have internet access when I do install on bridge mode
578 [09:47:40] <shtrb> jelly, thanks !
579 [09:47:49] <rockworld> and I have 2 interfaces card aswell
but Im wondering if I should try with the others
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581 [09:48:05] <shtrb> rockworld, you have several network types
, if you are connected to a host only there will be no internet
access by the vm
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584 [09:48:38] <rockworld> hum ok
585 [09:48:56] <shtrb> jelly, did you find how to integrate
team's contact and calendar with your favorite contact/calender
tools ? (like ldap , akonadi etc)
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588 [09:49:18] <rockworld> Im trying to setup my vm with ovh
failover ip using a mac address in macvtap mode
589 [09:49:34] <jelly> shtrb, didn't investigate at all
590 [09:49:50] <rockworld> thats difficult to find support
specially on my main language
591 [09:50:09] <kale> rockworld: what is the purpose of the vm?
592 [09:50:56] <rockworld> running a minecraft server
593 [09:51:04] <rockworld> and a website
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595 [09:51:21] <rockworld> thats my objective :)
596 [09:51:33] <kale> ahh, is the failover IP for the web server
or for minecraft? or both?
597 [09:51:35] <shtrb> rockworld, what language do you need
helpwith , normally it's enough to have #debian-language
598 [09:51:45] <rockworld> failover for the virtual machine
599 [09:52:05] <rockworld> both
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601 [09:52:20] <rockworld> yes I know but better community is
here
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604 [09:53:07] <kale> rockworld: for the webserver I would use
ha-proxy, i can help you with that, but i have not yet figured out
shared PHP sessions, so that part i cannot help with
605 [09:54:11] <kale> for minecraft, I cannot see how you would
do it. It runs on a single server, and if it goes down, its down.
switching to anoter server is possible, but then it would be another
minecraft world. at least from what i know.
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608 [09:55:13] <rockworld> yes but I want the virtual machine to
use a different ip in the network
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612 [09:57:13] <kale> rockworld: i use this to create a new
virtual machine. that machine gets its own NIC and IP: virt-install
--name ${NAME} --memory ${RAM} --disk
/dev/${LVM_GROUP}/${LVM_NAME},bus=virtio,format=raw --os-variant
${OS} --network bridge=br0,model=virtio --cdrom ${MEDIA} --graphics
${GRAPHICS_PROTOCOL},listen=${LISTENIP},password=${MYPASSWORD}
--noautoconsole --virt-type kvm
613 [09:57:37] <kale> i know you probably use the GUI, but i am
not into that, sorry.
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615 [09:58:06] <rockworld> I know its better with the terminal :)
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619 [09:59:03] <rockworld> thats a huge command too
620 [09:59:06] <kale> rockworld: although incomplete, i have my
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621 [09:59:09] <rockworld> I have to figure what its what
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623 [10:00:40] <rockworld> thanks for the help
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654 [10:22:58] <grobi> i have a thick fur and by and large i am a
positive person who is not knocked off easily :)
655 [10:23:27] <Haohmaru> u wot
656 [10:24:43] <grobi> Haohmaru: sorry i switched the channel
accidentely
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670 [10:37:10] <grobi> I can recommend the combination, but
everyone will find their own means
671 [10:37:57] <grobi> again... sorry i don't know how that
happend
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712 [11:27:26] <wwilly> hi, does the debian installer contains a
runnable e2fsck, or something to check an ext4 fs?
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715 [11:29:04] <ratrace> wwilly: try it, you can alt+Fx to
another tty
716 [11:29:44] <wwilly> yes I did
717 [11:30:12] <wwilly> the debian installer seems really
limited, not even a simple dhcp from this shell?
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723 [11:33:14] <fireba11> wwilly: if you need to fix things i
suggest a live distro like grml
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726 [11:33:59] <wwilly> I find my way, should have wait for
downloading the diff packages... :)
727 [11:34:25] <wwilly> fireba11, can't, it's on a
arm32 board, ubooting from local network
728 [11:34:43] <wwilly> installation on an sdcard at the end
729 [11:35:19] <fireba11> wwilly: ah, that limits your options
somewhat ;-)
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770 [12:32:11] <jhutchins> !ig
771 [12:32:11] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 10
"Buster" can be found at
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773 [12:32:39] <jhutchins> wwilly: Really, thousands of people
have managed to install it witout issues.
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776 [12:33:38] <jelly> installing on weird arm boards always has
issues
777 [12:34:17] <jelly> wwilly, the installer actually has lots of
stuff but it gets dynamically installed and loaded (usually from the
installer menu)
778 [12:34:39] <jelly> (installed within the installer ram disk
that is)
779 [12:35:08] <jelly> see if #debian-arm over on OFTC can help
780 [12:35:33] <jelly> you will probably need to register on the
irc.oftc.net network
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790 [12:44:16] <jhutchins> Well that's different. I went to
distrowatch.com to see just how many installs Debian might claim,
and I'm surpprised to see that the "top five"
aren't any more. Rather than consolidating to what I thought of
as the "major distributions", Linux seems to be
fragmenting even farther than it was in the 90's.
791 [12:44:39] <raver> Hi, I've build the current biboumi
8.5 stable Version for Armbian (arm64) via checkinstall. is there a
place I can Upload it in case anyone is interested?
792 [12:45:04] <jhutchins> !armbian
793 [12:45:04] <dpkg> Armbian is a project that has pre-compiled
custom Debian and Ubuntu installer images for <ARM> boards,
and a small package repository with kernels, drivers, and utilities
which are supported in #armbian. It is not a complete distribution,
and uses unmodified Debian or Ubuntu official package repos.
kernel/hw/installer/building questions: #armbian on
chat.freenode.net
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796 [12:46:17] <raver> dpkg, thanks I'll ask there :)
797 [12:46:17] <dpkg> de nada, raver
798 [12:46:52] <petn-randall> heh
799 [12:47:03] <petn-randall> raver: dpkg is a bot.
800 [12:47:27] <raver> yep noticed just after my answer :D
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802 [12:49:31] <petn-randall> dpkg: are you a bot?
803 [12:49:31] <dpkg> I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a
finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot
(that you should not abuse).
804 [12:50:59] <Haohmaru> skynet confirmed
805 [12:51:07] <raver> 😂️
806 [12:52:44] <jhutchins> On the internet no-one can tell that
you're a dog. Let sleeping bots lie.
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836 [13:31:21] <wwilly> jelly, yep I get it. i'm using
debian on my board for a while. i was in the installer because of
data corruption, tried to recover an ext4 fs from the installer
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847 [13:38:25] <RoyK> wwilly: what sort of storage medium?
848 [13:39:39] <wwilly> sdcard
849 [13:39:59] <wwilly> i'm chatting on #armlinux about this
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851 [13:40:33] <wwilly> he suggest that the sdcard is dead,
manage to reach program/erase cycles lifetime
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858 [13:44:39] <RoyK> wwilly: ddrescue is your friend
859 [13:45:09] <RoyK> wwilly: you'll need another medium to
store it to, though
860 [13:46:04] <wwilly> RoyK, thanks, I do not really care about
the data on it anymore, the board is just a benchmark board,
it's only used in a download-run-upload cycle
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862 [13:46:20] <wwilly> yep, a new medium :/
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896 [14:20:59] <jelly> ,v postgresql-client-12
897 [14:21:10] <jelly> ,v postgresql-client-11
898 [14:21:18] <jelly> hmm
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913 [14:34:29] <ratrace> that reminds me to upgrade to
buster's native 11, I'm still running 10 from dpkg because
I migrated via replication from another 10
914 [14:34:53] <ratrace> but I'm SO MUCH not in the mood to
mess with production. ain't broken, ewontfix.
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917 [14:36:05] <jelly> coworker accidentally created a
--format=custom dump from their Pg on the workstation, we
couldn't pg_restore it to buster
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919 [14:37:16] <ratrace> %s/from dpkg/from pgdg/
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921 [14:38:18] <ratrace> jelly: shim through a temp installation
from pgdg? that's what I did but the "temporary"
installation is now production for over a year :)))
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923 [14:38:33] <ratrace> I only wanted to replicate, then upgrade
to 11.... lol.
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925 [14:40:34] <jelly> nah, it's a tiny db and she's
going to do a plain dump
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928 [14:47:14] <vlt> Hello. I'm trying to run current Debian
on a machine that (on an older OS: Ubuntu 12.04) uses this VGA
driver: sisfb
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930 [14:49:10] <azeem> FSVO of "older OS"
931 [14:49:32] <vlt> *ancient OS :D
932 [14:49:37] <ratrace> xserver-xorg-video-fbdev maybe
933 [14:50:07] <vlt> ratrace: That is already installed.
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935 [14:50:08] <azeem> also, maybe "nomodeset"
936 [14:50:13] <azeem> !nomodeset
937 [14:50:14] <azeem> hrm
938 [14:50:36] * vlt tries nomodeset
939 [14:50:39] <ratrace> vlt: the only "sis" related
xorg driver is -sisusb with description for it being for the sis usb
thing
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941 [14:51:02] <ratrace> your output shows sisfb, so I'm
guessing a fb driver is what you need for xorg (as the kernel then
does the fb magick)
942 [14:51:49] <vlt> How can I usually find out which package
this "sisfb" driver comes from?
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944 [14:54:15] <jelly> vlt, how does X fail to work, right now?
945 [14:55:01] <jelly> a kernel driver will come with the kernel
package.
946 [14:55:16] <jelly> Kernel modules: sisfb
947 [14:55:21] <jelly> says the paste
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950 [14:57:25] <vlt> jelly: It fails to switch to a higher
resolution than 1024x768 (or similar).
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952 [14:58:12] <ratrace> maybe your hardwrae isn't capable
of higer VESA modes
953 [14:59:19] <vlt> ratrace: Well, it definitely is. I'm
sitting right infornt of it @1920x1080.
954 [14:59:27] <vlt> *infront
955 [14:59:49] <ratrace> vlt: then.... what... is the problem?
o.O
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957 [15:00:27] <vlt> ratrace: Currently it's using sisfb
(see
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958 [15:00:40] <vlt> ratrace: I consider that a problem ;)
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960 [15:01:13] * vlt switches back to Debian 10 and tries
"nomodeset" now
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963 [15:01:36] <ratrace> vlt: okay, so on ubuntu 12.04 it works,
but on Debian 10 it refuses to go higer than 1024x768?
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965 [15:02:14] <jelly> vlt, does "modinfo sisfb" return
something on your debian 10 kernel?
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968 [15:05:44] <vlt> jelly: Zes>
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969 [15:06:10] <vlt> jelly: Sorry, that was supposed to be
"Yes: ..."
970 [15:06:36] <jelly> it is possible the same module is still
supposed to be used to set up FB and resolutions
971 [15:06:45] <vlt> And the resolution is 1600x1200 (not
1024...)
972 [15:07:05] <jelly> however is the hardware is 10+ years old,
the drivers may have deteriorated
973 [15:07:36] <jelly> (noone cares about old GPUs, drivers get
broken and lose functionality over the years)
974 [15:07:36] <vlt> Hardware is from 2007, yes.
975 [15:07:48] <jelly> go install Debian 8, see if it works any
better.
976 [15:08:10] <vlt> jelly: Thanks, I'll try that.
977 [15:08:18] <jelly> or Debian 9, but that might be too new
already
978 [15:08:36] <jelly> live isos might be useful to avoid
installation
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983 [15:14:14] <vlt> jelly: I'm booting PXE images.
984 [15:15:07] <jelly> ouch, no usb boot?
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986 [15:16:10] <ratrace> 2007 called. they wanna know what's
"usb boot".
987 [15:17:33] <vlt> jelly: I have a fleet of 50+ thin clients
I'd like to convince to load a more recent base OS (to run
xfreerdp on).
988 [15:17:55] <ratrace> (btw, I didn't tell them how well
2020 is going. they did ask tho)
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990 [15:19:05] <jelly> hmm. right, Debian 8 is a good first
guess. Might have to go even older but hopefully not
991 [15:19:17] <jelly> and you'll probably have to backport
freerdp2
992 [15:19:44] <jelly> or backport freerdp 1.x with patches, from
stretch-lts
993 [15:20:18] <jelly> vlt, if you're VERY lucky that Debian
9 still works on that hw, you might even not have to build anything
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995 [15:21:04] <jelly> I _think_ 2007 had usb boot on normal
desktops and laptops. Servers would get it around then, or maybe
later.
996 [15:21:15] <jelly> usb storage* boot.
997 [15:21:24] <jelly> usb cd boot probably worked.
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1009 [15:34:10] <chris_99> Hi, i'm just wondering i'm
using 'dpkg-buildpackage --build=binary' but get
'first block lacks a Source field', but a source field
shouldn't be needed for a binary package?
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1028 [15:45:47] <themill> chris_99: that's about the syntax
of debian/control file; just because you don't want to build a
source package doesn't mean the file can be syntactically
incorrect. The first stanza must be about the source package and
subsequent stanzas must be about the binary package(s). See
deb-src-control(5).
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1035 [15:50:36] <chris_99> themill: ah cheers, sorry i hadn't
realised you had to have two paragraphs
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1037 [15:51:41] <themill> np
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1095 [16:44:35] <NetTerminalGene> is xorg or wayland reponsible to
draw mouse movement?
1096 [16:46:02] <ratrace> is a truck or traffic laws responsible
for transporting cargo?
1097 [16:47:00] <NetTerminalGene> ratrace: stop it
1098 [16:47:34] <NetTerminalGene> if you don't have answer,
stop
1099 [16:47:51] <ratrace> stop what? that's what you actually
asked. wayland is a protocol, not a piece of software.
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1102 [16:48:13] <NetTerminalGene> is wayland responsible to draw
mouse movement?
1103 [16:48:16] <wyoung> ratrace: No, it is free education and
healthcare's fault that gun violence is rampet
1104 [16:48:39] <ratrace> NetTerminalGene: the compositor is
1105 [16:49:11] <NetTerminalGene> does it have connection with
wayland?
1106 [16:49:26] <wyoung> What is wayland?
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1108 [16:49:53] <ratrace> if it's a wayland compositor, it
does. but you asked a VERY different question originally. you put
wayland in an OR relationship with xorg.....
1109 [16:50:16] <wyoung> Or xorg? All I know is XFree86
1110 [16:50:46] <wyoung> Is it simiilar?
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1113 [16:54:45] <wyoung> Hey jim, it isn't nice to ignore
people, it is infact quite rude.
1114 [16:54:54] <ratrace> wyoung: are you actually asking or just
being funny :)
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1117 [16:59:58] <jelly> wyoung, we have a separate
#debian-offtopic channel for chat. Unless you have a debian question
or expertise to provide to others asking questions, best keep quiet
in here.
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1119 [17:00:46] <wyoung> jelly: I have been reading up on xorg,
when did Xfree86 disapear?
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1121 [17:02:09] <jelly> about 15 years ago or so Xorg basically
replaced XFree86. How old are you wyoung
1122 [17:02:20] <wyoung> jelly: Come on 40
1123 [17:02:25] <wyoung> coming on 40*
1124 [17:02:32] <ratrace> kids these days
1125 [17:02:34] <jelly> so younger than me
1126 [17:02:42] <wyoung> jelly: :(
1127 [17:02:56] <jelly> you haven't used Linux in like 15
years, welcome back
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1129 [17:03:01] <wyoung> I admit I have been using MacOS for
longer than I want to admit
1130 [17:03:06] <jelly> we have cookies
1131 [17:03:12] <jim> wyoung, people don't want to hear about
issues from ##linux here
1132 [17:03:17] <wyoung> jelly: I thought cookies were banned in
EU
1133 [17:03:28] <wyoung> jim: What are you about?
1134 [17:03:51] <jelly> jim, but we do want to hear IF the user
has an actual issue, and they're running Debian
1135 [17:03:55] <wyoung> It was an issue with Jim I was having,
not ##Linux
1136 [17:04:15] <wyoung> jelly: I use buster sometimes
1137 [17:04:21] <wyoung> in Docker though
1138 [17:04:22] <jim> jelly, yes
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1140 [17:04:41] <ratrace> wyoung: and if you use gnome and have a
fairly.... open.... gpu driver, you're using its wayland
compositor too! so no xorg there either :)
1141 [17:05:14] <wyoung> ratrace: Intel NUC uses AMD GPUs these
days,so I am using that one on one of my PCs
1142 [17:05:19] <ratrace> (actually there is xorg, and xwayland,
but you're primarily using the wayland proto)
1143 [17:05:39] <ratrace> navi ftw
1144 [17:05:46] <Haohmaru> (what's next, waylorg?)
1145 [17:06:10] <jelly> I don't know what I'm primarily
using, whether it's wayland native or Xwayland, so... it works
well enough.
1146 [17:06:31] <jelly> but I'm not on a Debian desktop right
now /me hides
1147 [17:06:32] <wyoung> ratrace: I was suprised that an Intel
created product uses an AMD video chipset, it has to be saying
something
1148 [17:06:41] <Haohmaru> how dare u jelly
1149 [17:06:55] <ratrace> wyoung: they're very much aware of
their own product flaws, just dont' wanna admit it
1150 [17:07:03] <ratrace> jelly: lemme guess..... a mac
1151 [17:07:10] <jelly> wyoung, I was not joking about Debian
questions and chat and #debian-offtopic
1152 [17:07:30] <jelly> casual chat about NUC ->
#debian-offtopic
1153 [17:07:45] <wyoung> jelly: Oh? I was discussing Intel and
AMD, they still fund and donate to the debian project right?
1154 [17:08:08] <jelly> keep it to tech support in here, and
not-tech-support there
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1156 [17:08:37] <jelly> pretty please. I don't have time to
scroll thru chat, but I sometimes find time to help people with
actual issues.
1157 [17:08:47] <wyoung> Sure. so, technially speaking, who are
Debian's contributors these days?
1158 [17:09:02] * jelly sighs
1159 [17:09:10] <Haohmaru> tonz of folkz
1160 [17:09:28] <ratrace> lol.... "technically
speaking". I actually lol'd. bravo.
1161 [17:09:48] <jelly>
replaced-url
1162 [17:10:02] <jelly> those guys
1163 [17:10:38] <wyoung> CHeers, I'll check it out. How about
those yaml issues in debian a few months ago. Why is yaml so
exploitable for? Is it debian related only? Or just in general?
1164 [17:10:40] <jim> the devil people! fear!
1165 [17:11:10] <jelly> wyoung, don't be coy. Ask if you have
an ACTUAL ISSUE.
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1169 [17:11:53] <chakpapa> I am getting "can't read
superblock on" error while mounting a f2fs formatted device.
Any solutions?
1170 [17:11:56] <jim> (sorry folks, first and last comment)
wyoung, you're unbanned on ##linux
1171 [17:12:33] <wyoung> jelly: Well that is my issue. I use
debian buster and my exploit scanner went nuts last month due to
YAML
1172 [17:13:50] <ratrace> you said you used buster _sometimes_ and
in docker
1173 [17:13:50] <jelly> wyoung, still not an actionable questions,
what does "went nuts" mean in terms of actual output
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1175 [17:14:31] <jelly> if you need to find out whether a CVE is
fixed, you can look it up on
1176 [17:14:34] <jelly> !tracker of doom
1177 [17:14:34] <dpkg> The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability
database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at
replaced-url
1178 [17:14:37] <dijong_>
replaced-url
1179 [17:14:45] <jelly> !tracker
1180 [17:14:47] <dijong_>
replaced-url
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1183 [17:16:00] * ratrace ducks for the kick
1184 [17:16:12] *** dijong_ was kicked by jelly (if you're not a
bot, disable that ! response in #debian, and ask in #debian-ops for
an unban)
1185 [17:16:22] <wyoung> jelly: as in higher than 2 on the high
severity scale.
1186 [17:16:40] <wyoung> CVE
1187 [17:16:57] <jelly> wyoung, sorry, no idea what you're
talking about unless you provide actual output, preferably in a text
pastebin
1188 [17:17:12] <wyoung> jelly: You promote ads?
1189 [17:17:15] <Haohmaru> he made that up..
1190 [17:17:19] <wyoung> you meant dpaste right/.
1191 [17:17:25] <Haohmaru> IMO he doesn't have a question
1192 [17:17:27] <jelly> !paste
1193 [17:17:27] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use for text:
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1194 [17:17:55] <jelly> Haohmaru, no shit
1195 [17:18:04] <wyoung> Haohmaru: I asked 2 questions with the
answer being it isn't a question :/ Sounds like you are
trolling ,e
1196 [17:18:07] <wyoung> me*
1197 [17:18:23] <wyoung> I used a question mark and everything
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1203 [17:19:37] <jelly> waste my time, sure, a bit, but don't
involve other regulars
1204 [17:19:51] <Haohmaru> who's the other regular?
1205 [17:19:54] <jelly> YOU
1206 [17:20:00] <Haohmaru> i'm just a n00b
1207 [17:20:10] <jelly> you're a regular noob
1208 [17:20:12] <ratrace> how do you "request a leave"
vs kick?
1209 [17:20:25] <jelly> /quote REMOVE #channel nick
1210 [17:20:54] <jelly> not sure if ircd-seven extension or what
1211 [17:20:55] <ratrace> oh chanserv does that. k, thanks.
1212 [17:21:00] <Haohmaru> "remove" .. or
"REMOVE" for extra rage
1213 [17:21:01] <Haohmaru> ;P~
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1215 [17:21:40] <Haohmaru> /quote would be an irc client built-in
for sending the following stuff directly to the server
1216 [17:21:55] <ratrace> yeah from what I read it's Freenode
specific
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1219 [17:22:14] <Haohmaru> basically it'd be /remove #channel
nick, but your client may happen to have a built-in /remove .. so
/quote or /raw
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1311 [18:58:05] <dka> I just find how to get my usb modem visible
with usb_modswitch, I have now Bus 001 Device 005: ID 05c6:6000
Qualcomm, Inc. Siemens SG75 , how can I connect to the network so I
can send sms with nmcli?
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1325 [19:04:28] <MsK`> hello, since the latest xorg update, I
can't xinit from ssh. I get a permission denied error on
xf86OpenConsole. It works from root though... Any idea?
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1327 [19:05:16] <MsK`> log:
replaced-url
1328 [19:06:01] <MsK`> and I start X with: xinit kodi --standalone
-- -nocursor :0
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1330 [19:07:37] <sney> check the log referenced 5th from the
bottom as well. (and when X isn't running as root, it's
not that unusual that you might need to widen permissions
somewhere.)
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1335 [19:12:00] <MsK`> the log referenced 5th from the bottom is
the one i linked :)
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1337 [19:13:03] <MsK`> I already have allowed_users=anybody and
needs_root_rights=no in /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config
1338 [19:13:05] <sney> well that's... redundant.
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1354 [19:30:06] <MsK`> ok, got it to run using "systemd-run
--property PAMName=login --property User=<login> --property
StandardInput=tty --property TTYPath=/dev/tty8 sh -c "chvt 8
&& start <application> -- :0"
1355 [19:30:33] <MsK`> it asks for the password of the user
everytime even if it's the same user that is launching the app,
a bit annoying, but works
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1383 [19:57:39] <yanmaani> Any tool that works like tar but
operates on zip files?
1384 [19:57:42] <yanmaani> i.e. same argument structure
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1390 [20:04:15] <ratrace> yanmaani: other than zip itself?
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1392 [20:06:52] <dka> I have a usb sim dongle, how can I know
which /dev/ttyUSB[0-3] can send SMS ?
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1406 [20:17:58] <yanmaani> ratrace: yeah, with the exact same
syntax. Although I solved the problem another way
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1418 [20:35:13] <somiaj> I don't think you'll going to
get such a tool yanmaani, you could write a wrapper for some
arguments, but zip has different options/features than tar.
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1428 [20:53:27] <twanny796> #vim
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1448 [21:17:45] <GrayGhost> I am looking for an alternateve to
teamviewer ... any suggestions ?
1449 [21:18:03] <diogenes_> GrayGhost, anydesk.
1450 [21:18:08] <diogenes_> remmina
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1452 [21:18:28] <GrayGhost> someting free
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1455 [21:19:33] <diogenes_> anydesk is free as in free beer :) but
not oss, remmina + vnc is free inevery possible way.
1456 [21:20:39] <GrayGhost> anydesk say it is 10/99 month
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1458 [21:22:07] <GrayGhost> I only use it about onece a month for
one computer
1459 [21:22:55] <diogenes_> GrayGhost, nope, i use anydesk all the
time, it's free, maybe for business use they charge but not for
personal.
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1461 [21:23:08] <gribouille> hi
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1463 [21:26:29] <gribouille> how can I get a log of the messages
that display the services that are started when the system boots?
1464 [21:26:40] <greycat> journalctl
1465 [21:26:44] <n4dir> GrayGhost: i am not too sure what
teamviewer does, but have a look at citadel
1466 [21:26:54] <GrayGhost> I was using teamviewer and liked it
but because I am trying to connect to a computer on a commerical
wifi it will not allow it
1467 [21:27:44] <greycat> the only part of it that I know is it
lets you "share" your desktop with outsiders using a
proprietary third-party server, so that you can still let your
vendor "log in to your box" even when you're inside a
firewall. until the network/security department firewalls it harder.
1468 [21:27:49] <n4dir> ah, damnit, i was confused, sorry
1469 [21:28:25] <greycat> when the IT department fucks with the
DNS server to stop letting you resolve teamviewer.com you can work
around that, but when they start blocking the actual *ports* or IP
addresses... that's harder
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1471 [21:29:41] <DoctorD90> hi! I was trying to add an exception
for a command. UFW requires sudo, I would like to gran to an user to
run the command without the sudo power. I tried to add a file in in
/etc/sudoers.d with inside: Cmnd_Alias UFWSTATUS = /usr/sbin/ufw /n
tester ALL=NOPASSWD: UFWSTATUS; but user tester cant run ufw command
netiher ufwstatus. Where am I wronging?
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1474 [21:32:34] <oxek> DoctorD90: the order is important, last
matching entry overrides all previous ones
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1477 [21:33:31] <DoctorD90> do you mean taht I could remove the
first line an put ptha path of ufw in second?
1478 [21:33:33] <greycat> does "tester" have /usr/sbin
in their PATH, or are you typing /usr/sbin/ufw in the shell?
1479 [21:34:09] <greycat> or does "sudo ufw" add
/usr/sbin to PATH before doing the command resolution...? anyway,
what is the actual *error* you see?
1480 [21:34:17] <DoctorD90> as usual greycat point me to stuff i
didnt check....thank greycat i go to check it out :)
1481 [21:34:38] <DoctorD90> that tester cant find the command
1482 [21:34:56] <greycat> are you not even typing
"sudo"?
1483 [21:35:01] <greycat> are you just typing "ufw"?
1484 [21:35:04] <DoctorD90> so probably UFWSTATUS is override as
oxek said and moreover, it is not in ath as you said
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1486 [21:35:09] <DoctorD90> yes
1487 [21:35:17] <greycat> well... now we know what the problem is!
1488 [21:36:02] <oxek> sudoers file should not contain any private
stuff (check first), so you can just pastebin the whole file
1489 [21:36:03] <DoctorD90> ahah...but this is what I would like
to accomplish....run without sudo...but im probably understanding
the point...i still need to use "sudo" but I will not
requested the pass...
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1492 [21:36:35] <greycat> putting random shit in sudoers does not
change the behavior of every command you type. only sudo commands
that you type.
1493 [21:36:53] <DoctorD90> first time playing with sudores.d file
:)
1494 [21:36:57] <DoctorD90> exccuse me
1495 [21:37:06] <DoctorD90> btw...miing hint now it works
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1497 [21:37:17] <DoctorD90> tester ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/ufw
1498 [21:37:27] <DoctorD90> and now sudo ufw , doesnt require
password
1499 [21:37:30] <DoctorD90> for tesster
1500 [21:38:16] <DoctorD90> im creating a rogram to control ufw
outside of the server, but i required to access the ufw without
password....
1501 [21:38:18] <greycat> if you want user "tester" to
get the effect of "sudo ufw" when they type
"ufw", you can create a shell function just for them, or a
little wrapper script in ~tester/bin/
1502 [21:38:54] <DoctorD90> greycat, could i ask you a simple
example to better understand?
1503 [21:38:58] <greycat> printf '#!/bin/sh\nexec sudo
/usr/sbin/ufw "$@"\n' > ~tester/bin/ufw; chmod +x
~tester/bin/ufw
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1505 [21:39:39] <greycat> you might have to mkdir ~tester/bin
first, and you might have to logout and back in as tester to add
/home/tester/bin to their PATH
1506 [21:40:10] <DoctorD90> aaaa...ok! got the point! ufw without
sudo too. okok, thank! now i got better your sugestion :)
1507 [21:40:25] <DoctorD90> btw i just need to not popup the
password request
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1509 [21:40:33] <DoctorD90> so the sudores solved the problem
1510 [21:40:44] <DoctorD90> i can simply put "sudo ufw"
in my little script
1511 [21:40:54] <DoctorD90> but thank you very much :) i learn a
new stuff :)
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1513 [21:41:44] <DoctorD90> have a great night! :)
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1515 [21:42:11] <oxek> greycat: I haven't seen that notation
~tester before
1516 [21:42:32] <oxek> I checked, and it works,
1517 [21:42:36] <oxek> but I don't know how it works
1518 [21:42:47] <greycat> Standard shell feature. Tilde expansion.
1519 [21:43:09] <greycat> ~username expands to the home directory
of username. if the username is omitted, and ~ is alone or followed
by a /, it uses you.
1520 [21:43:32] <oxek> oh so I can switch to other users'
homedirs, by doing ~user2
1521 [21:43:35] <oxek> that's really cool
1522 [21:43:56] <oxek> I only ever used ~ to switch to my homedir
1523 [21:44:19] <oxek> like vim ~/.bashrc
1524 [21:44:48] <somiaj> unless your root, often times you
don't have access to ~otheruser anyways
1525 [21:45:04] <somiaj> so it isn't used as often
1526 [21:45:09] <oxek> somiaj: on debian, by default, you can
browse all other users homedirs
1527 [21:45:16] <oxek> as nonroot
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1530 [21:46:04] <greycat> On any traditional unix system,
that's also true.
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1532 [21:46:23] <greycat> Unix systems are originally used by
close-knit communities of people who respect and trust each other.
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1534 [21:46:46] <greycat> It's common practice to let your
colleagues borrow stuff from your home dir.
1535 [21:46:58] <somiaj> I think when passwords were introduced,
RMS got many people using blank passwords at MIT, oh how times have
changed.
1536 [21:47:33] <greycat> The story I heard is that they had to
give up having an empty root password after a while because people
nuking/crashing the system became too common.
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1538 [21:48:37] <oxek> anyone in here use xterm and can see this
👀 emoji?
1539 [21:49:01] <greycat> I can see it in urxvt but if I paste it
into xterm, no.
1540 [21:49:18] <oxek> hmm, so I have two people on debian that
can see it, and me & you that cannot
1541 [21:49:37] <oxek> this is such a strange bug
1542 [21:49:50] <greycat> oh, if I paste it into a second urxvt, I
also can't see it, so it could be a pasting issue
1543 [21:49:50] <oxek> I've gone through all settings and
done all the tests
1544 [21:49:58] <oxek> but can't explain why it works for
some people but not for me
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1546 [21:50:09] <somiaj> oxek: what is your default locale?
1547 [21:50:20] <oxek> C.UTF-8 but I tested en_US.UTF-8 too
1548 [21:50:32] <dka> How can I set the default SMSC in my
NetworkManager/system-connections/myconf.nmconnection ? (so I
don't have to specify it each time)
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1550 [21:50:45] <oxek> utf8 works, I can display this file just
fine
replaced-url
1551 [21:50:57] <somiaj> oxek: is that a 'wide
character?'
1552 [21:51:13] <somiaj> I'm on windows with mobaxterm now,
so can't really test things
1553 [21:51:24] <greycat> it would help if you gave us the unicode
code point number so we can try to generate it inside xterm instead
of trying to paste it
1554 [21:51:30] <oxek> I don't know, but I'll describe
all I've done:
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1556 [21:52:10] <oxek> I'm on debian stable, using xterm. I
am using DejaVu Sans Mono as the default truetype font (but have
tested other fonts too), and have the Noto Color Emoji font
installed. All installed from debian repositories.
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1558 [21:52:34] <oxek> everything works just fine in libvte-based
terminals, like xfce4-terminal
1559 [21:52:50] <oxek> the correct emoji, from the correct font
(Noto Color Emoji) are displayed
1560 [21:53:20] <oxek> xterm can display some emoji, such as 🐕
but it is the wrong emoji, not the one from Noto Color Emoji
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1562 [21:53:48] <oxek> and xterm fail at displaying emoji like 👀
U+1F440 EYES, decimal: 128064, HTML: 👀, UTF-8: 0xF0 0x9F
0x91 0x80, block: Miscellaneous Symbols and Pictographs
1563 [21:53:56] <greycat> I pasted it into chrome and google says
it's an "Eyes Emoji", and following one of their
links says it's code point +U1F440 ... is that correct?
1564 [21:54:07] <oxek> that's correct
1565 [21:54:07] <greycat> err U+
1566 [21:54:46] <greycat> OK, I can see it in IRC for some reason,
but when I run printf '\U0001F440\n' in either urxvt or
xterm, I get a rectangle.
1567 [21:54:47] <oxek> instead of displaying that emoji in xterm,
it does not display anything, it is just blank
1568 [21:54:56] <oxek> it does not display the typical broken tofu
for it
1569 [21:55:39] <greycat> (how the hell does it work in irssi in
urxvt but not in vanilla urxvt ...)
1570 [21:55:39] <oxek> I have tried it with a nonexistent
~/.Xresources (the way it would be on default debian installation)
and it still did not work
1571 [21:55:44] <oxek> I tried xterm & uxterm
1572 [21:55:45] <karlpinc> I'm in xfce4-terminal and I
don't see the unicode character, just the broken tofu.
1573 [21:55:51] <dka> When sending an SMS from command line, How
can I replace the sender number with a company name? (so the sms
sent look like from a server and not a number)
1574 [21:56:16] <oxek> karlpinc: do you have
fonts-noto-color-emoji package installed?
1575 [21:56:38] <karlpinc> !tell dka about errors
1576 [21:57:04] <karlpinc> oxek: No.
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1578 [21:57:20] <oxek> it is not a copy pasting issue on my end,
because I can select the line I pasted above, with an invisible
emoji, and copy it to a file. When I open that file in
xfce4-terminal, the correct emoji is there.
1579 [21:57:29] <oxek> karlpinc: install it and you'll have
working emoji in xfce4-terminal
1580 [21:57:43] <greycat> printf '\U0001F440\n'
doesn't start working after I install that -noto- pkg and
restart my terminals, either.
1581 [21:57:56] <karlpinc> oxek: Ok. (I wonder if I really want
that? I get nearly as much information by seeing the tofu. :-)
1582 [21:58:30] <oxek> karlpinc: it's useful for things like
'curl wttr.in/Seattle?format=%m'
1583 [21:59:08] <oxek> greycat: that printf works in
xfce4-terminal
1584 [21:59:19] <oxek> (and not in xterm)
1585 [21:59:23] <karlpinc> oxek: I suppose so. (Reminds me of when
debian switched to systemd and none of the little lines that systemd
likes to draw on the terminal worked.)
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1587 [22:00:14] <oxek> I am not connected over ssh, working
locally. Tried it both inside and outside tmux, with no luck.
1588 [22:00:27] <karlpinc> oxek: Jolly good. That did something.
(And I only had to start up a new xfce4 terminal.
1589 [22:01:16] <oxek> karlpinc: 👍
1590 [22:01:39] <karlpinc> oxek: See? That's what I was
hoping to avoid. :)
1591 [22:01:42] <somiaj> oxek: does it work in uxterm?
1592 [22:01:49] <oxek> I can even detach this session from tmux
(running in xterm) and attach it to tmux running in xfce4-terminal,
and all the emoji are displayed in xfce4-terminal
1593 [22:02:05] <oxek> somiaj: I tried uxterm, but it does not
work either
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1597 [22:02:49] <dka> How can I send an SMS with a company name
instead of a number (from terminal)
1598 [22:02:55] <greycat>
replaced-url
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1600 [22:03:16] <karlpinc> dka: First, you tell us what your
typing....
1601 [22:03:36] <oxek> this is how my xterm ctrl-rightclick looks
like
replaced-url
1602 [22:03:51] <karlpinc> !tell dka about paste
1603 [22:03:53] <dka> sudo mmcli -m 0
--messaging-create-sms="text='Hello
world',number='+336xxxxx89',smsc='+33695000695'"
-v && sudo mmcli -s 6 --send -v
1604 [22:04:26] <jelly> dka, you can't do that from a normal
phone or a normal SIM card, I think step 1) set up an account with a
company with a messaging api
1605 [22:04:26] <dka> this work fine, but I see the number of my
sim card, while I want to put my organization name and hide the
number, i also want to disallow response
1606 [22:04:46] <oxek> greycat: the weird thing is that I now have
two people where it all works for them on debian stable using xterm
1607 [22:04:53] <dka> Or maybe If I could show a 6 digit random
number instead of a personal number that would also fit
1608 [22:04:53] <oxek> with same version of xterm
1609 [22:05:07] <dka> jelly, i am doing my messaging api
1610 [22:05:21] <dka> I got a sim card. I want to learn how to do
a messaging api that fits for company needs
1611 [22:05:28] <dka> no point to just subscribe to an existing
company
1612 [22:05:34] <karlpinc> dka: (You probably need to add yourself
to a group so you don't have to be root.)
1613 [22:05:39] <greycat> I wonder what happens if I disable
~/.Xresources ....
1614 [22:05:41] <jelly> you won't be able to do that with a
random SIM
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1616 [22:06:03] <dka> karlpinc, yeah right now it doesn't
matter but yes latter i'll do, and the process will be run
within docker so perms will be totally different
1617 [22:06:07] <jelly> ask your mobile provider about business
services, at the very least
1618 [22:06:20] <dka> well, that will cost money
1619 [22:06:23] <jelly> no shit
1620 [22:06:31] <dka> so it's impossible without cash?
1621 [22:06:35] <jelly> you want to do provider-level services.
1622 [22:06:36] <dka> just with brain?
1623 [22:07:02] <karlpinc> dka: One option is to use a service
like twillio (spelling?) They send texts for fractions of cents.
1624 [22:07:11] <jelly> that usually means becoming a provider, or
finding one that will do it for you
1625 [22:07:20] <greycat> Nope, I did xrdb -remove
'XTerm*' and then started a new xterm, and the printf
still shows a rectangle.
1626 [22:07:29] <jelly> twilio is an example of a messaging
provider with an API, yes
1627 [22:07:47] <oxek> greycat: I asked one of the people for whom
it works for their .Xresources, and it did not work for me with
their .Xresources
1628 [22:08:02] <jhutchins> People don't seem to understand
that wireless voice, SMS, and internet-over-cell carrier are not all
the same thing.
1629 [22:08:02] <oxek> (and yes, I did do the xrdb -merge and even
logout, etc.)
1630 [22:08:28] <jelly> does xterm even do glyph substitution _at
all_?
1631 [22:08:55] <dka> karlpinc, what does twillio use as a
service?
1632 [22:09:06] <greycat> the aforementioned SO page leads to
replaced-url
1633 [22:09:07] <dka> if it's the egg and chicken problem
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1635 [22:09:52] <karlpinc> dka: Dunno. I only know they exist. (I
do recall sending sms messages years ago with arbitrary from
numbers/names. I don't remember how I was doing it. Probably
through some voip provider.)
1636 [22:10:07] <jelly> dka, services like those usually _are_
providers of their own, then they can fake whatever sender number
1637 [22:10:15] <somiaj> oxek:
replaced-url
1638 [22:10:32] <karlpinc> These days there's laws against
sending texts that don't "come from" your number.
1639 [22:10:46] <dka> how do I become provider on my own?
1640 [22:11:00] <dka> do you buy a license?
1641 [22:11:36] <jhutchins> dka: You build a phone company.
1642 [22:11:51] <jelly> dka, you need money and some other tech
prequisites to get a license in your country
1643 [22:12:15] <jelly> if you provide just messaging things
_might_ be a bit simpler than for a full blown telco
1644 [22:12:20] <oxek> somiaj: I am reading it, and still wonder
how come emoji works for those two people with xterm
1645 [22:12:27] <jhutchins> The fact that providers made email
access easy as we transitioned from pagers to cell phones still
confuses some people.
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1647 [22:13:02] <jelly> Skype sends SMS to arbitrary numbers and
they have been successfully faking by caller id for a decade
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1649 [22:13:09] <jelly> s/by/my/
1650 [22:13:20] <dka> can I use gammu and mmcli both together on
the same host? or is it one or another?
1651 [22:13:43] <jelly> probably not at the same time if they both
access the same serial device
1652 [22:14:01] <jelly> but separately? Sure why not
1653 [22:14:05] <yanmaani> dka: You don't need a telco
license for voip stuf
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1655 [22:14:08] <yanmaani> f
1656 [22:14:16] <yanmaani> random scammers can do voip stuff no
problem
1657 [22:14:53] <oxek> I suspect it will have to do something with
fallback fonts, xterm uses either double-sized chars or widechars or
something I forget to display things not in current font
1658 [22:14:54] <jelly> yanmaani, they want to do messaging with
abitrary caller id or strings instead of numbers
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1661 [22:15:35] <dka> Does it make sens to use mmcli and gammu for
sending sms or should I choose one? can both work on the same host?
1662 [22:16:09] <jelly> we use kannel at work for alerts sent via
sms
1663 [22:16:12] <jelly> ,i kannel
1664 [22:16:36] <jelly> ,v kannel
1665 [22:16:42] <somiaj> oxek: as that said, xterm uses a single
font, so might just a font issue (other termainsl go use other fonts
if a glyph is missing). It also gives you a tool you can go look at
the font to verify this
1666 [22:16:42] <jelly> judd: ping
1667 [22:16:55] <yanmaani> jelly: Yeah, this is possible, I
don't think it needs telco license
1668 [22:16:59] <yanmaani> I get spam texts like that
1669 [22:17:36] <jelly> yanmaani, you still need a business
account with SOME provider that will allow you to send customized
messages
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1671 [22:18:16] <jelly> ,i kannel
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1673 [22:18:18] <judd> Package kannel (net, optional) in
buster/amd64: WAP and SMS gateway. Version: 1.4.5-2+b1; Size:
865.5k; Installed: 3845k; Homepage:
replaced-url
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1675 [22:19:03] <jhutchins> You still need a wire that goes from
tcp/ip to sms, and that means a company that has carrier-grade
connectons on both DIFFERENT networks.
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1677 [22:19:09] <jhutchins> It's not all the same network!
1678 [22:19:52] <jhutchins> SMS is not even the same network
topology as cellular voice.
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1681 [22:20:36] <yanmaani> jelly: yeah, but those are dime a dozen
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1684 [22:20:49] <jelly> nod
1685 [22:20:57] <jelly> still, that's money not brain
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1697 [22:29:38] <somiaj> oxek: might find using another terminal
easier if you can't find a font that has all the characters you
want.
1698 [22:30:38] <jelly> there's never a single font that
looks nice but has all the weird characters. This is why a modern
terminal uses multiple fonts in some order of preference
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1701 [22:31:34] <oxek> somiaj: perhaps. I've moved away from
libvte-based terminal as a learning experience and xterm was heavily
suggested. Another alternative would be st but I am not brave enough
yet to hunt down patches to get the functionality I need.
1702 [22:31:50] <oxek> I can't use GPU accelerated terminals
1703 [22:32:18] <greycat> that entire concept is anathema
1704 [22:32:24] * jelly likes Konsole
1705 [22:32:29] <oxek> so between libvte, xterm, st, and
gpu-accelerated terms, there's no other option is there?
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1707 [22:32:40] <oxek> obviously I prefer a terminal that is still
being maintained
1708 [22:32:42] <jelly> rxvt-unicode?
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1710 [22:32:57] <jhutchins> Yeah, as someone who has used an
actual teletype, the idea of an "accelerated terminal" is
just...
1711 [22:33:13] <jhutchins> ... it's like asking if gravity
is wet or dry.
1712 [22:33:39] <oxek> jhutchins: the main issue for me is that
the moment anything touches my GPU, it jumps up by several GHz in
frequency, fans start blasting off, and battery life gets killed
1713 [22:33:40] <jelly> people frowning at "accelerated"
anything should go back to raw framebuffer graphics
1714 [22:35:30] <oxek> jelly: is rxvt-unicode maintained? And is
that the 'best' fork of rxvt?
1715 [22:35:37] <greycat> There is another option. Just say
"fuck you, I don't care" to emojis in terminals.
1716 [22:35:37] <greycat> It's not like I can tell what the
emoji *is* anyway. It's just some random blur.
1717 [22:36:33] <somiaj> oxek: luckly debian has plenty to chose
from, uxrvt work? I just don't really care about these crazy
utf-8 characters I won't use, so it doesn't bother me I
can't see it
1718 [22:36:57] <oxek> greycat: I'm not doing it just for the
sake of doing it, emoji is useful for various status symbols, like
the wttr.in thing I linked, or displaying info in PS1 of bash, etc.
1719 [22:37:25] <greycat> *shudder*
1720 [22:37:50] <greycat> well then if YOU are the source of the
horror, you can just pick a glyph that works for you
1721 [22:38:09] <jelly> oxek, that was the only fork of rxvt with
decent utf-8, until I switched to konsole or any term that worked
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1723 [22:38:46] <jelly> it also had working alpha blending / semi
transparent background
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1725 [22:38:51] <oxek> thank you all for trying to help debug
this, I was going crazy. I don't know what to think of those
statements people gave me that their xterm displays those emoji, and
I'll leave that for now.
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1728 [22:39:12] <greycat> based on the multiple web pages we
looked up for you, it's about the font.
1729 [22:39:13] <oxek> I'll check out rxvt-unicode then
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1731 [22:39:24] <greycat> those people are using a different font,
which has more symbols in it
1732 [22:39:34] <greycat> I still have no idea what irssi is doing
that makes a difference
1733 [22:39:38] <oxek> that's the thing - they were using
dejavu sans mono just like me
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1736 [22:40:07] <oxek> but if they were using irssi too... perhaps
irssi has some internal mechanism for fallback fonts
1737 [22:40:13] <oxek> I'm on weechat here
1738 [22:40:23] <greycat> that's why I moved to printf for
the actual test
1739 [22:40:38] <oxek> yeah, you did it the smart way, I should
have thought of that too
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1741 [22:42:46] <dka> How can I set the smsc with gammu ? I try
`gammu set smsc 1 "+33695000695"` but it return `Empty
entry.`, any idea how I can do?
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1758 [22:52:35] <antto> i tried installing ardour and synaptic
tossed a bunch of errors at me like "E: jackd2: installed
jackd2 package post-installation script subprocess returned error
exit status 255" "E: jackd2-firewire: dependency problems
- leaving unconfigured" ...
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1761 [22:55:40] <somiaj> antto: using a terminal may help and not
synaptic. First question is often what version of debian are you
running, what are your sources.list, really you should provide ALL
the information the bot tells you
1762 [22:55:44] <somiaj> !bat
1763 [22:55:44] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose
your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete
output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used)
2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL
packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache
policy". Use
replaced-url
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1766 [22:56:46] <antto> debian10, i use synaptic all the time
pretty much
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1769 [22:59:01] <somiaj> sure, but getting actual output from the
command line is needed to help diagonse your issue.
1770 [22:59:24] <somiaj> so run 'sudo apt install
ardour', and then give us all the other info the bot asked for.
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1774 [23:02:13] <antto> hm, it loads up a TUI dialog asking me
about how i wanna use jackd
1775 [23:02:31] <hassoon> EnableChan #javascript
1776 [23:02:36] <antto> could that be why it doesn't wanna
get installed via synaptic?
1777 [23:02:37] <hassoon> ow meh
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1797 [23:14:57] <epictetus2> Are there any programs in the repos
for monitor nighttime colors?
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1799 [23:15:27] <karlpinc> epictetus2: redshift?
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1805 [23:19:38] <epictetus2> karlpinc: thanks
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1807 [23:22:43] <jmcnaught> epictetus2: the feature is also built
into GNOME if that's what you're using.
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1809 [23:23:25] <epictetus2> jmcnaught: aah ok. using lxde
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1814 [23:30:18] <oxek> I have progress everyone, apparently if I
install the fonts-symbola package, I now get the eyes emoji in
xterm!
1815 [23:30:48] <oxek> which is really strange, because we found
that xterm should not support fallback fonts
1816 [23:31:34] <greycat> so the question is why you believed
15:52 oxek> I'm on debian stable, using xterm. I am using
DejaVu Sans Mono [...]
1817 [23:32:30] <oxek> greycat: because I am still using that font
1818 [23:32:42] <greycat> how do you know this?
1819 [23:32:58] <oxek> that's what's in my .Xresources
1820 [23:33:30] <oxek> plus symbola does not contain normal
characters, only emoji (according to description)
1821 [23:33:49] <greycat> *shrug* well, this is all a mystery to
me
1822 [23:34:47] <greycat> so there is no way to say "xterm
--verbose-tell-me-what-font-you-use" or something...?
1823 [23:35:18] <oxek> someone said there might be, but I'd
need to recompile xterm to enable some debugging
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1833 [23:41:24] <somiaj> maybe xterm does use some fallback fonts
in certain situations, but what it uses is limited.
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1836 [23:42:01] <oxek> and mainly I can't find any
documentation about which fonts it uses for fallback
1837 [23:42:48] <oxek> at least I now have black & white emoji
working in xterm (I don't need more) thanks to the
fonts-symbola package. But I still don't understand why it
works and how xterm determines the fonts it uses.
1838 [23:42:48] <greycat> The SO post that I found was from Thomas
Dickey, who is quite the authority here, but it might have been
old... maybe the code changed? I don't know.
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1843 [23:45:21] <oxek> greycat: did you install the fonts-symbola
package to confirm you no longer get boxes? (no need to change any
configuration in your .Xresources, it just works)
1844 [23:45:34] <greycat> I already had it (just tried when you
mentioned it, said already installed)
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1846 [23:45:52] <greycat> and I probably *would* have to change
things in my .Xresources
1847 [23:46:08] <greycat> 'cause I've got XTerm*font:
7x13
1848 [23:50:51] <oxek> greycat: need to use truetype fonts,
Ctrl-right click anywhere in xterm, enable truetype fonts and it
will use the default monospace truetype font
1849 [23:51:08] <oxek> I get the square boxes when using bitmap
fonts in xterm too
1850 [23:51:18] <oxek> and I did not expect emoji to work in that
mode anyway
1851 [23:51:25] <oxek> (and it still does not)
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1855 [23:53:17] <greycat> OK, that worked.
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