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40[00:15:43] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. Is there a way I can have
dpkg output just the version number of a given package, like uname
-r does for the kernel version?
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45[00:16:51] <OS-23606> #join offsec
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50[00:18:22] <themill> Pegasus_RPG: «dpkg-query --show
--showformat '${Version}' foo» but only for packages
dpkg knows about (dpkg ≠ apt)
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52[00:18:53] <themill> Pegasus_RPG: what are you trying to
achieve with that btw?
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55[00:20:03] <Pegasus_RPG> themill: I'm making a shell
script that makes version-specific patch files of hacks I've
done to the package's config files
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56[00:20:19] <Pegasus_RPG> and I want to automate the version
number bit
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57[00:20:36] <Pegasus_RPG> sweet, thank you!
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62[00:21:38] <themill> be careful not to accidentally reinvent
a real configuration management system in the process of doing so ;)
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65[00:21:51] <Pegasus_RPG> lol
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66[00:21:54] <Pegasus_RPG> no worries there
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67[00:22:02] <Pegasus_RPG> Just keeping archives of my hacks
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68[00:22:09] <themill> ack
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69[00:22:26] <Pegasus_RPG> But I'm all ears if
there's a better way
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70[00:22:35] <themill> etckeeper is also handy for that
although it can be harder to find a specific thing later on
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74[00:22:58] <Pegasus_RPG> In this case, there are about a
dozen files I have to make changes to each time the packages are
upgraded
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75[00:24:01] <themill> Are these changes that should reasonably
be included in the debian package? Or changes that could be
reflected in a foo.conf.d/pegasus.conf ?
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78[00:25:05] <Pegasus_RPG> They /could/ but they're mostly
cosmetic changes I make to match the colors on my main Web site
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80[00:25:15] <Pegasus_RPG> so not really beneficial for others
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81[00:25:26] <Pegasus_RPG> (most of it is CSS changes, a few
strings)
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82[00:25:26] <themill> wait... colours in config files?
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83[00:25:31] <Pegasus_RPG> CSS files
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85[00:26:15] <themill> Sounds a bit like some better theme
support would help
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89[00:28:59] <Pegasus_RPG> yeah
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90[00:29:14] <Pegasus_RPG> But that works, thank you.
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119[00:36:35] <MaBunny> guys can you tell me what package i need
to reconfigure so tht when i start up my system in the hdd(which has
gnome newly installed) a gnome screen comes up displaying the usual
login page??
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122[00:37:27] <missmbob> sudo apt install gdm3
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124[00:37:55] <MaBunny> ok
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130[00:40:49] <karisatis> hi , i was wondering if its possible
to get a live network speed out of a modem
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133[00:43:50] <MaBunny>
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134[00:43:50] <MaBunny> pls help
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135[00:43:50] <MaBunny> theres also a note about cant find sys
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138[00:44:05] <missmbob> sudo apt install speedtest-cli
&& speedtest-cli
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163[00:59:59] <karisatis> missmbob... thanks for that but is
possible to add something to the modem ? i need the actual speed
thats going throw rather than a "on demand test"
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173[01:01:55] <missmbob> karisatis: oh i think i understand what
you want. apt-get install nload && nload
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181[01:03:44] <MaBunny> guys how do i get the tty system up and
running in my new debian install
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182[01:04:00] <MaBunny> it is booting rightly,but i dont hav a
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193[01:08:05] <enthdegree> hi boys
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194[01:08:10] <enthdegree> hi guys how do i
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195[01:08:15] <enthdegree> install rlang
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197[01:08:20] <enthdegree> oh r-base
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200[01:08:50] <benlue> can anyone tell me, whats wrong with my
USB WIFI?
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205[01:09:04] <THEFREAKJOE> hi there
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208[01:09:25] <THEFREAKJOE> how do i know witch drivers is
beeing used on my enviroment ?
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209[01:09:33] <THEFREAKJOE> How ?
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210[01:09:41] <THEFREAKJOE> is it the novau
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211[01:09:43] <benlue> why i get this Error: failed (reason
'ssid-not-found')?
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212[01:09:46] <THEFREAKJOE> or the nvidia
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215[01:10:03] <THEFREAKJOE> check cables
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216[01:10:06] <missmbob> benlue: it's sid, not ssid. and
sid support is in #debian-next on oftc, not here
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220[01:10:27] <missmbob> THEFREAKJOE: lmsod
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221[01:10:29] <yulax> missmbob: they do mean an ssid
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222[01:10:32] <yulax> eejit
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226[01:10:56] <yulax> benlue: it means that your wifi adaptor
can't find a wifi network by that name ("ssid"
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227[01:11:07] <MaBunny> missmbob: can you help me installing a
tty system in my debian?
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230[01:11:18] <missmbob> MaBunny: no
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232[01:11:37] <MaBunny> why
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234[01:11:49] <yulax> MaBunny: a tty is just the shell
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236[01:12:03] <yulax> when you start up it is the text login
without the mouse or anything
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238[01:12:11] <yulax> and there is no graphical program
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239[01:12:19] <benlue> missmbob, #debian-next haves Channel Mode
"Invite only" :/
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242[01:12:44] <yulax> benlue: don't listen. the problem is
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243[01:12:47] <yulax> sid is not ssid
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246[01:13:00] <yulax> sid is a distribution of debian
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247[01:13:07] <yulax> the ssid is the name of a wifi network
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248[01:13:33] <yulax> which your usb device can't find
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251[01:14:20] <MaBunny> at least you can tell how to setup the
root password, missmbob
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253[01:14:40] <yulax> MaBunny: look it up yourself rathre than
harrassing us
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255[01:15:07] <yulax> e.g. "set up the root password on
debian"
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258[01:16:06] <MaBunny> where am i harrassing you?? its very
rude of you to talk like tht
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262[01:16:54] <yulax> this is trivial stuff that is well
documented elsewhere. you are asking specific users just because
they were talking on the channel when you joined it
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263[01:17:20] <benlue> yulax, bud i see the SSID in my WIFI list
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265[01:17:30] <benlue> Freifunk
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266[01:17:37] <yulax> right,
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268[01:17:53] <yulax> are you using network-manager to connect,
or the command line?
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270[01:18:07] <benlue> network-manager
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272[01:18:45] <yulax> ok, does it ask you for password,?
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273[01:18:54] <yulax> it can be silly like that=
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275[01:19:21] <benlue> I click on connect
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276[01:19:32] <yulax> and what happens
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281[01:20:35] <benlue> I get the msg: creating interface ->
the connection was deactivated
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283[01:20:52] <yulax> weird
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284[01:20:55] <benlue> no pass promt
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286[01:21:19] <benlue> this network is open
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289[01:21:38] <benlue> with WPA2 the same issue
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290[01:21:43] <yulax> maybe it set the wrong network type?
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295[01:24:19] <benlue> yulax, SSID: (open) "Freifunk"
Mode: Infrastructure Restrict to device: (40:4A:03:01:C7:2D)
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304[01:29:08] <benlue> lsusb: Bus 001 Device 010: ID 0586:341a
ZyXEL Communications Corp. NWD-270N Wireless N-lite USB Adapter
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309[01:35:31] <Merovoth> I installed Jessie but can only get
800x600 4:3 on an "Unknown Display". Anyone else have this
problem?
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310[01:35:48] <Hello71> install graphics driver
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311[01:36:02] <Merovoth> Really?
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313[01:36:10] <Hello71> not proprietary, xorg
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315[01:36:40] <nano_python> Merixer, amd or nvidia?
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316[01:36:53] <Merovoth> You mean, like: "apt-get install
firmware-linux-nonfree xserver-xorg-video-radeon" ?
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317[01:37:03] <Hello71> more or less
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318[01:37:10] <Merovoth> Didn't work.
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319[01:37:12] <Hello71> assuming you actually have a card
supported by radeon
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320[01:37:15] <Hello71> did you reboot
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321[01:37:23] <Merovoth> I also did: "apt-get install
firmware-linux-nonfree xserver-xorg-video-ati" ?
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322[01:37:26] <nano_python>
replaced-url
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323[01:37:28] <Merovoth> Yep
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324[01:37:36] <Merovoth> This is a mystery.
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325[01:37:44] <Merovoth> Does using a touch screen matter?
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327[01:38:01] <Hello71> lspci
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330[01:38:58] <Merovoth> I'm not on that box, right now.
It's barely configured.
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333[01:40:40] <Merovoth> This page didn't help, in case you
find it.
replaced-url
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334[01:41:34] <Merovoth> I should be able to get 1920x1080, but
the only option is 800x600
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335[01:41:44] <Merovoth> Nothing in between, either.
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337[01:42:21] <missmbob> Merovoth: we cant help you without you
on that box
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339[01:42:38] <Merovoth> You need the lspci?
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341[01:43:11] <Merovoth> Shit.
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342[01:44:12] <Merovoth> Nothing like a driver/firmware problem
on Linux to make one's ass feel like going postal.......
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345[01:45:27] <missmbob> Merovoth: lspci -nn to be more specific
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346[01:45:38] <missmbob> and kernel version, etc. many things
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351[01:47:16] <winsen> Hi all
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352[01:47:24] <Merovoth> I'm installing an irc client on
it. Let's see how much doo-doo there is...
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354[01:48:00] <winsen> does anyone know how to reinstall grub2
in place?
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355[01:48:15] <benlue> Activation: (wifi) association took too
long, failing activation :/
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356[01:48:16] <winsen> Merovoth: hi
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357[01:48:24] <Merovoth> Yes, but, what do you mean "in
place"?
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358[01:48:37] <Merovoth> hey, winsen
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359[01:48:52] <winsen> Merovoth: how are you man?
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360[01:49:08] <winsen> long time since I've talked to you
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361[01:49:08] <Merovoth> Good, dude. Do you need to just
reinstall Grub, period?
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363[01:49:17] <Merovoth> Probably, never.
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364[01:49:28] <winsen> Merovoth: yes please
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366[01:49:52] <Merovoth> You need to go into recovery mode using
installation disc 1
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367[01:50:02] <Merovoth> hold on...
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368[01:50:08] <winsen> Merovoth: I wanted to change grub boot
order, but it doesn't work, I don't know why
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369[01:50:29] <Merovoth> You just want to change the order of
the options?
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370[01:51:01] <winsen> Merovoth: both reinstall and changer grub
boot order
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372[01:51:15] <Merovoth> Ok. Does grub work at all, at this
point?
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373[01:51:44] <_sfiguser> hello all, in a makefile what's
the difference between VARIABLE = value and VARIABLE ?= value ??
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376[01:52:27] <LinuxRanBrain>
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378[01:52:40] <winsen> Merovoth: as you can see here , windoz is
on 3rd place:
replaced-url
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381[01:53:56] <Merovoth> It looks like it's #1, not #3
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383[01:54:25] <winsen> Merovoth: I changed it to "2"
but it doesnt work:
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385[01:54:57] <Merovoth> What's the problem? It
doesn't load or grub doesn't run at all?
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386[01:55:29] <winsen> Merovoth: no, if fact when it boots with
one section debian repair
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387[01:56:16] <Merovoth> Maybe, you need to regnerate your
grub.cfg file.
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388[01:56:22] <winsen> Merovoth: it boots with one section
debian repair, I recently reinstalled windoz and grub2 but I still
have problem with it
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391[01:56:52] <Merovoth> Do you know how to try regenerating
your grub.cfg?
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392[01:57:01] <winsen> Merovoth: no I don't
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393[01:57:13] <Merovoth> go into /boo/grub/
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394[01:57:16] <Merovoth> go into /boot/grub/
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395[01:57:34] <Merovoth> cp -p grub.cfg grub.cfg_old
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396[01:57:37] <winsen> Merovoth: how can I do it? do you think
this will fix definitely the issue?
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397[01:57:42] <yulax> that's like when i wrote /bun/bach
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398[01:57:54] <yulax> what is in bun/bach i ask you?
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399[01:58:20] <yulax> images of pattiseries made by classical
music enthusiasts.
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400[01:58:24] <Merovoth> grub-mkconfig --output=grubtmp.txt
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401[01:58:27] <winsen> Merovoth: you mean on terminal
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405[01:59:00] <Merovoth> cp -p grubtmp.txt grub.cfg
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406[01:59:05] <Merovoth> That's all.
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407[01:59:33] <Merovoth> That will reprobe your system for
everything you have and create a new menu with the right pointers.
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408[01:59:44] <winsen> Merovoth:can you please pasbin, I
can't follow you.
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409[02:00:10] <Merovoth> I don't have any accounts at those
kinds of site...I know, I need to learn them.
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410[02:00:29] <winsen> Merovoth: you don' need any account
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411[02:00:36] <Merovoth> Give me a url
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414[02:00:52] <winsen> Merovoth:
replaced-url
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415[02:00:58] <Merovoth> ok, hold on...
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419[02:01:26] <winsen> are you sure this will work?
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424[02:03:03] <winsen> Merovoth: do you think if reinstall the
grub this won't work?
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425[02:03:22] <Merovoth>
replaced-url
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428[02:03:39] <Merovoth> No, it won't lock up your system.
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429[02:03:57] <yulax> Merovoth: if it doesn't work you can
just boot into live system and reinstall grub. but it will probably
work
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431[02:03:59] <Merovoth> Go in under admin mode, and execute
those commands from there. Then, reboot.
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432[02:04:27] <Merovoth> yulax: I've done it more than
once. It's a lifesaver.
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433[02:04:40] <Merovoth> I jotted down the notes
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435[02:05:06] <winsen> Merovoth: and this will put windoz on
first boot?
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436[02:05:09] <Merovoth> Then, if you somehow lose grub: Go into
recovery of your installation disc and reinstall grub from there.
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438[02:05:25] <Merovoth> No, it will just make sure all of your
OS's are listed.
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439[02:05:34] <yulax> Merovoth: i actually meant to address that
to winsen to reassure them
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441[02:05:40] <Merovoth> If you want them in a different order,
you can probably just move each line.
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443[02:05:47] <Merovoth> NP
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445[02:06:18] <Merovoth> Do you want more detail on reinstalling
Grub?
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446[02:06:31] <winsen> yulax: that's what I said, how to
reisnatll it in place
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447[02:06:46] <winsen> yulax: maybe the best way to be sure
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448[02:06:56] <yulax> no, other ways usually work
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449[02:07:08] <winsen> yulax: ok brb
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451[02:07:18] <yulax> aww
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452[02:07:23] <yulax> they left
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453[02:07:25] <yulax> lbuffer 3
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457[02:11:01] <benlue> is
replaced-url
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461[02:12:46] <Merovoth> I finally got my client installed on
the other box. Now, i'm rebooting to play it safe.
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463[02:14:08] <odla> can someone help me modify the systemd
script that is here to work on debian:
replaced-url
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464[02:14:14] <Merovoth> It's a pain in the ass looking at
everything oversized...
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465[02:14:56] <odla> the autostart mute-IEC958.desktop file
works for me but I'd like to make systemd run the
/usr/bin/mute-IEC958 script
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472[02:18:42] <winsen> hi all
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477[02:19:27] <Merovoth> How did it work out?
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479[02:19:54] <winsen> Merovoth: unfortunately it doesn't
work
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480[02:20:19] <Merovoth> Do you want Windoze at the top or just
the default?
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482[02:21:06] <winsen> Merovoth: I think no choice, I need to
reinstall the grub, how can I do it?
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483[02:21:20] <winsen> Merovoth: I mean in place
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484[02:21:28] <Merovoth> Does grub start up with your computer?
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485[02:21:38] <winsen> Merovoth: yes I want windoz in the top
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486[02:22:12] <winsen> Merovoth: yes it does, it seems nothing
changed
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489[02:23:54] <winsen> Merovoth: I did the command lines, I
updated before re-boobing
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490[02:24:04] <winsen> Merovoth: are you still there?
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492[02:24:14] <Merovoth> Sorry, but I don't get what
you're saying.
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494[02:24:29] <winsen> tell me what you didn't get
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495[02:25:16] <winsen> Merovoth: I said, I followed all steps
you sent to me after that I updated +reboot
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496[02:25:32] <Merovoth> Well, I don't anything else to
try.
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498[02:25:54] <winsen> Merovoth: do you mean, you have no idea?
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499[02:26:01] <Merovoth> none
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500[02:26:12] <nano_python> winsen, You just want windows to
boot as the default in grub?
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502[02:26:35] <winsen> nano_python: right
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504[02:27:48] <winsen> nano_python: I think this is not a
problem, i just need to reisnatll it as default, after that
I'll change the grub boot order. I think this will work. I
already did it.
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506[02:28:13] <nano_python> You can set a default boot in grub
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507[02:28:37] <nano_python>
replaced-url
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508[02:28:39] <winsen> nano_python: how can I reinstall the
grub2 in place safely ?
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510[02:29:01] <nano_python> That page shows how to set windows
as the default boot
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511[02:29:07] <Merovoth> Crap. My IRC client will be too big for
the screen. I'll have to hold off on that idea, till things
fit...
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516[02:30:58] <winsen> nano_python: how can I reinstall the
grub2 in place safely ?
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517[02:31:13] <nano_python> Why do you want to reinstall it?
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518[02:31:22] <winsen> nano_python: I tried many times to change
boot order it doesn't work
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519[02:31:22] <Merovoth> Do you mean the program or the .cfg
file?
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521[02:31:39] <Resilience> hello to everyone, I am running some
java software that tells me this: ./jre/bin/java: 1: ./jre/bin/java:
Syntax error: end of file unexpected (expecting ")")
what's going wrong? how can I do?
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522[02:31:51] <nano_python> You don't need to reinstall it,
you just need to change the default boot, reinatalling isn't
going to do that.
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524[02:31:57] <winsen> Merovoth: I sent you that? didn't
you see it?
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525[02:32:22] <Merovoth> I think we're having a
communication grap, here.
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526[02:32:26] <Merovoth> gap
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527[02:32:31] <winsen> nano_python: even the default is not
working correctly
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529[02:33:00] <themill> Resilience: pastebinning that file might
be a good idea
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531[02:33:17] <winsen> nano_python: so in any case I need to
reinstall ,it
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534[02:34:07] <nano_python> winsen, If you really want to
reinatall it:
replaced-url
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535[02:34:18] <Hello71> Resilience: or better, ask the makers of
that software
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537[02:34:34] <Hello71> !doesntwork
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538[02:34:38] <Hello71> er
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540[02:34:42] <nano_python> However, I think you might have just
missed something setting the default, I would give it another try
before doing a reinstall.
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541[02:34:42] <Resilience> the file it is a java app, is about
75 kB
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543[02:35:02] <Resilience> themill, the file it is a java app,
is about 75 kB
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546[02:36:06] <themill> Resilience: well you've got to give
us something to work on... at the very least the command you run and
the full output
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551[02:37:47] <Resilience> themill, the full output is that, the
command is ./LOGOComfort, which is a commercial app from siemens, o
program logo PLC's
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552[02:38:33] <winsen> nano_python: take a look, as you can see
windows is located on line 6 and debian on line 7, it boots with
"debian repair I think... which's not normal:
replaced-url
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553[02:38:51] <themill> Resilience: sounds like you need to show
us the file then...
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555[02:39:22] <themill> Resilience: what does "file
LOGOComfort" say?
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558[02:40:20] <nano_python> If you take the line "Windows 7
(loader) (on /dev/sda1)"
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559[02:40:26] <winsen> nano_python: here you can see, when I
changed boot order from "0"to "2" three times it
went to 0 even though.
replaced-url
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560[02:40:30] <nano_python> sudo vi /etc/default/grub
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561[02:40:42] <Resilience> themill, says this: ./jre/bin/java:
1: ./jre/bin/java: Syntax error: end of file unexpected (expecting
")")
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562[02:40:50] <nano_python> Change GRUB_DEFAULT=
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564[02:41:02] <themill> Resilience: "file LOGOComfort"
will not output that
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565[02:41:07] <winsen> nano_python: I changed "0" by
"2" that all.
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566[02:41:19] <winsen> nano_python: yes
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567[02:41:35] <winsen> nano_python: nothing happened
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568[02:41:39] <nano_python> To GRUB_DEFAULT="Windows 7
(loader) (on /dev/sda1)"
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569[02:41:52] <Resilience> themill, I am going to put in
pastebin, because as I said before ti weights 75kB, I assume if I
paste here it woud be considered as flood :)
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571[02:42:10] <nano_python> Then: sudo update-grub
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573[02:42:24] <winsen> nano_python: you mean put "Windows 7
(loader) (on /dev/sda1)" instead or number "2"?
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574[02:42:32] <nano_python> winsen, Yes
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575[02:42:45] <nano_python> winsen, That way it can't
confuse anything
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577[02:43:44] <winsen> nano_python: are you sure?
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578[02:44:07] <nano_python> This page shows all that and more:
replaced-url
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579[02:44:23] <nano_python> Two ways of doing it, this way is
more specific
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581[02:44:30] <Resilience> themill, here you have
replaced-url
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584[02:45:14] <themill> egads... one of them
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585[02:45:36] <winsen> nano_python: what about the next line
would I have debian and not safe mode or repair..?
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586[02:45:37] <dvs> winsen, did you read the top of the file?
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587[02:46:03] <winsen> dvs: no, I missed something?
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589[02:46:09] <nano_python> Only edit the GRUB_DEFAULT= line
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592[02:46:35] <winsen> nano_python: without quotes?
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593[02:46:39] <nano_python> With
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595[02:46:52] <nano_python> Just like the askubuntu page says.
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597[02:47:07] <winsen> sure
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598[02:47:46] <winsen> nano_python: hope this will work,
otherwise no choice
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600[02:47:55] <winsen> brb
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606[02:49:22] <themill> Resilience: try « LAX_DEBUG=file
./LOGOComfort » which should dump a log into jx.log which
might have some more info
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607[02:49:48] <Resilience> themill, thanks, I am doing right now
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613[02:53:15] <winsen1> be back nothing changed
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615[02:53:54] <nano_python> Did you run "sudo
update-grub" after changing that line in the file?
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617[02:54:43] <winsen1> nano_python: no I just apt-get update
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618[02:55:03] <nano_python> what
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619[02:55:17] <winsen1> apt-get update
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620[02:56:04] <nano_python> You need to run "sudo
update-grub" because "sudo apt-get update"
doesn't have anything to do with grub
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622[02:56:49] <winsen1> not update-grub
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623[02:57:02] <nano_python> Yes "sudo update-grub"
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624[02:57:10] <nano_python> Not "sudo apt-get update"
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625[02:57:15] <Resilience> themill,
replaced-url
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627[02:58:21] <winsen1> I can try now
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630[02:58:55] <winsen1> brb
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633[02:59:39] <themill> Resilience: next thing to do would be to
look at the file ./jre/bin/java then. What does « file
./jre/bin/java » say?
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636[03:00:47] <Resilience> themill, whaty does it say? it is a
java.bin, executable, you mean I run it? or waht?
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637[03:01:05] <themill> run that command
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639[03:02:07] <winsen> nano_python: same
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640[03:03:43] <Resilience> themill, bash: ./jre/bin/java: cannot
execute binary file: Exec format error
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641[03:04:04] <themill> That's not the output of «
file ./jre/bin/java »
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643[03:04:39] <winsen> someone can tell me what does those lines
on top mean?
replaced-url
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644[03:05:12] <winsen> *do these
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646[03:05:33] <Resilience> themill, I wrote ./jre/bin/java, what
do you mean by running it? hava jar ./jre/bin/java? or what?
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648[03:05:42] <winsen> nano_python: did you notice something on
the top?
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650[03:05:55] <themill> Resilience: I mean: file ./jre/bin/java
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651[03:06:03] <themill> no more, no less
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652[03:06:19] <Resilience> ah file, sorry (did not know he
"file" command)
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653[03:06:56] <Resilience> themill, ./jre/bin/java: ELF 64-bit
LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked,
interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.9,
BuildID[sha1]=b82a586842f6da3df8a61093daadf04180e85c16, not stripped
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655[03:07:56] <nano_python> winsen, #grub
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657[03:08:23] <nano_python> Idk what you have done, but this
should be a 5m process at most. Somehow you manged to mess it up
somewhere.
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658[03:08:42] <nano_python> I simple don't know how to help
you anymore.
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661[03:08:50] <themill> Resilience: and: dpkg
--print-architecture; uname -r; dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
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662[03:09:30] <winsen> nano_python: if [
x"${feature_menuentry_id}" = xy ]; then
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663[03:09:30] <winsen> menuentry_id_option="--id"
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664[03:09:30] <winsen> menuentry_id_option=""
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665[03:09:30] <winsen> export menuentry_id_option
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666[03:09:30] *** winsen was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use
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667[03:09:58] <Resilience> themill, i386 4.8.0-1-686-pae
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668[03:09:59] * nano_python thanks debhelper for doing us all a favour
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669[03:10:00] <Merovoth> Nice.
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672[03:10:14] <Merovoth> He was trolling.
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673[03:10:19] <themill> Resilience: there you go then...
you've got a 32 bit installation and a 64 bit python
interpreter
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674[03:10:31] <themill> err java runtime
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675[03:10:41] * themill is busy hacking on some python atm hence the
crossover
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676[03:11:19] <Resilience> themill, ah,I thought I was running a
64 bit system (I really forgot what I did install years ago...)
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677[03:13:00] <Resilience> themill, is it worthy to migrate to a
64bit architecture?
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678[03:13:41] <jeep> if you have a 64bit cpu it is
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679[03:14:11] <Resilience> jeep, I think it is a 64bit CPU, i is
a core i5 (6 ot 7 year old)
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680[03:14:12] <hanambe> Hey everyone. I have a really odd issue
- I'm trying to install Debian for the first time, but during
the installation, I keep getting an "Install failed" error
message. This happens after network is configured and there are no
errors regarding mirrors. I am also unable to install with a full CD
- same errors. The odd part is that I can install Debian Testing
without issues. I've been told that Debian Stable with
Backports is
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681[03:14:12] <hanambe> better, however, so I'm hoping to
either figure out why the stable installer is failing or to
"downgrade" if possible.
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682[03:14:22] <hanambe> This is on a thinkpad t460
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683[03:14:22] <themill> Resilience: if you can't get a 32
bit version from your supplier you have little change
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685[03:15:07] <Resilience> themill, I have a 32bit version
(which has some bug that I am going to ask right now) but i was
asking in general, is it worthy? not for this problem, but in
general terms
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687[03:15:34] <themill> probably
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689[03:17:04] <Resilience> themill, ok, I will try in my new
computer (a few days/ weeks since now) and I will keep this one
until then in 32bit mode
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807[04:23:50] <random_numbers> Does apt-mirror allow one to
setup a signed mirror?
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808[04:24:06] <random_numbers> Or at least, how do I verify the
authenticity of stuff I redistribute?
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826[04:29:11] <random_numbers> I'll ask later.
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858[04:52:42] <cbd_> hey, I am setting up a debian desktop for a
friend of mine, I was wondering how to get synaptic package manager
to authenticate through sudo instead of su
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861[04:53:53] <missmbob> cbd_: gconftool-2 --set --type boolean
/apps/gksu/sudo-mode true
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865[04:56:24] <cbd_> missmbob: restart required?
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866[04:57:10] <missmbob> i dont know. those are things i dont
use. synaptic or sudo
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868[04:57:40] <cbd_> okay. that is a good start for me though.
thanks.
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895[05:16:48] <Resilience> mmmmm I have debian 32bit, is it
crazy to change the sources and to upgrade to a 64 bit system? may t
crash? or will it be reliable?
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896[05:17:32] <missmbob> it's very very difficult to pull
off. it's not just "changing sources"
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897[05:17:35] <missmbob> !crossgrade
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898[05:17:35] <dpkg> Converting an i386 installation into an
amd64 installation in-place is quite difficult. It's much
easier to reinstall the system with the new architecture -- ask me
about <install debian>. If you've got good backups,
plenty of time and are feeling lucky, you can try
replaced-url
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899[05:17:59] <missmbob> there you go. i suggest you don't
do it. reinstall if you want
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903[05:18:16] <missmbob> i've never felt that lucky
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906[05:20:09] <Resilience> MissionCritical, I hace two
partitions, oe for / and te other for /home, just donloading the
amd64 img and reinstall it?
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907[05:20:13] <dvs> !beer missmbob
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908[05:20:13] * dpkg pours a quart of Spaten Optimator for missmbob
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909[05:20:21] <Resilience> missmbob, , I hace two partitions, oe
for / and te other for /home, just donloading the amd64 img and
reinstall it?
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910[05:24:00] <missmbob> Resilience: yes
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912[05:25:19] <dvs> Resilience, just don't reformat your
/home partition
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913[05:25:39] <Resilience> dvs, of course not :)
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915[05:26:39] <Resilience> I am used to use (mm is it correcto
saying it so) testing, I use to install stable minimal, then upgrade
to testing and then install the rest of it, with amd64 is this right
too?
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917[05:26:53] <missmbob> yes
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918[05:27:59] <Resilience> fine
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919[05:28:20] <Resilience> is it said so? I am used to use?
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922[05:28:51] <missmbob> yes. same way. stable first then
upgrade to testing.
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925[05:30:46] <Resilience> missmbob, yes yes, I was meaning now
my expresion (not English native sepaker= I am used to use it...
mmmm
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928[05:33:41] <Resilience> I am curois about why the / partition
is always growing in size with every update wtihout installing
anything new
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929[05:34:11] <missmbob> packages tend to get bigger with newer
versions (more code, more features, etc)
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930[05:35:28] <Resilience> more tyhan doubling?
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933[05:36:03] <missmbob> i'm not seeing what you're
seeing. if that's what it's telling you, then you.
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934[05:36:10] <missmbob> then yes*
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936[05:36:40] <missmbob> plus some packages dont just get
"upgraded". sometimes old versions have to stay behind
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937[05:36:45] <missmbob> like with kernel packages/headers
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938[05:37:03] <missmbob> maybe you have gcc 5. upgrade needs gcc
6 too now. so now you have gcc 5 and gcc 6
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941[05:39:22] <Resilience> maybe
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952[05:54:02] <Resilience> missmbob, what about running 32bit
apps in a 64bit system? any trouble?
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957[05:55:00] <screamslash> im running debian jessie and my MATE
is broken/corrupted im trying to completly uninstall it and
reinstall it but nothing i do seems to uninstall it it still shows
up in the GDM menu what am i doing wrong?
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960[05:58:36] <PryMar56> Resilience, you have packages cached in
/var/cache/apt? try `apt-get clean` do `df` before & after
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963[05:59:52] <Resilience> PryMar56, thanks, it released a bit
of space, but not the lion's part of it
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966[06:01:12] <PryMar56> Resilience, dpkg -l linux-image* | grep
^ii
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968[06:01:23] <PryMar56> see how many kernels are installed
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970[06:02:33] <PryMar56> Resilience, oh wait, Debian does not
let kernel count rise
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972[06:03:42] <Resilience> PryMar56, 3 kernels, with just one I
would be fine
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974[06:03:58] <mo1991_> helllo
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976[06:05:51] <PryMar56> Resilience, try to boot with the latest
kernel, once you do, `apt-get remove` the oldest
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978[06:06:20] <Resilience> PryMar56, I am booting with newer
kernel since a few days ago
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979[06:06:53] <PryMar56> Resilience, sorry to be too obvious,
I've not followed this advice myself before
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980[06:07:28] <Resilience> PryMar56, nothing about being sorry,
me neither followed always that... and soemtimes I had a little bit
mmm "trouble" :)
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981[06:07:31] <heaps> so does the data section of a .deb file
contain the actual binary or some intermediate form of the binary?
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1005[06:31:13] <jeeves_moss> what would cause debian to black
screen after grub on an Asus T102HA?
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1010[06:33:11] <jeep> jeeves_moss: misconfiguration of something
video probably
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1013[06:36:24] <benjamin_> Quick question about Debian, I've
very new to Linux distros, and have been jumping around to Ubuntu,
Budgie, Elementary, and etc. I am considering switching to Debian, I
am looking for a distro that would be best for audio recording with
a DAW (Ardour4, Bitwig, etc) Thoughts? Second to audio production
I'm looking for a distro with the best support as a newcomer.
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1017[06:40:06] <jeep> benjamin_: its personal preference really
.. however debian has always made me happy :)
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1018[06:41:22] <benjamin_> jeep: That's what I thought, but
there isn't anything I should be looking at specifically when
it comes to certain tasks?
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1019[06:42:28] <screamslash> use point linux benjamin
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1021[06:42:41] <screamslash> its a pre packed well maintened
debian variant
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1022[06:43:06] <benjamin_> screamslash: Haven't heard of
that one before, I'll start researching it.
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1023[06:43:19] <screamslash> ive been using it for years
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1027[06:45:35] <jeep> benjamin_: not really .. apt is best
package management i prefer debian over any of the distros that copy
it
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1030[06:47:44] <benjamin_> jeep: cool, nice to know that there
are so many options out there. I'm working on migrating myself
from macOS having been an Apple guy (for better or worse) for the
last 10 years. But I've wanted to be a Linux guy for years but
I never had real reason to jump ship.
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1032[06:48:20] <screamslash> with the gaming support steam and
WINE give linux now theres no reason not to jump
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1033[06:48:25] <missmbob> then Elementary is probably a good fit
for you
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1035[06:49:32] <benjamin_> missbob: I tried it, but I only ran it
for a couple days, there were a few minimal-ized things about it
that became a little but more of a pain than pleasure.
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1036[06:50:21] <benjamin_> screamslash: I definitely want to get
WINE up and running at some point to hopefully rely completely on
Linux instead of having to keep a Windows partition or machine
around.
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1037[06:50:34] <jeep> benjamin_: i used debian on my old imac g3
as a server like 7 years ago it worked well i only migrated away
from the ppc due to some security features
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1038[06:50:36] <screamslash> its easier than ever now
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1039[06:50:49] <screamslash> i run hearthstone heroes of the
storm etc on wine
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1040[06:52:37] <benjamin_> screamslash: Awesome! My only
semi-troublesome thing with Linux so far is wrapping my head around
the whole PulseAudio, Alsa, JackAudio world and getting things to
work, while chasing sample rate mismatches and popping clipping
issues. However for the time being I seem to have got it figured out
on Ubuntu (knock on wood).
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1041[06:52:55] <screamslash> you're talking to a guy who
used to edit podcasts full time
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1042[06:52:58] <screamslash> so i can relate
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1043[06:53:18] <benjamin_> screamslash: *thumbs up* awesome!
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1044[06:53:34] <screamslash> debian is the only distro i
reccomend to anyone anymore
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1045[06:54:33] <benjamin_> screamslash: That says a lot I
suppose.
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1046[06:54:42] <screamslash> ive been using linux since 2006
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1048[06:54:54] <screamslash> ive used
fedora,ubuntu,gentoo,debian,openSUSE
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1049[06:55:11] <screamslash> ubuntu back in the 10.04 day was
what i would reccomend but now its only debian
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1050[06:56:41] <screamslash> one of the reasons is apt is a far
superior package manager to the other options
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1052[06:58:05] <benjamin_> Good to know :)
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1053[06:58:28] <screamslash> i mean really
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1054[06:58:38] <screamslash> what linux distro you use doesnt
matter to some regard
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1055[06:58:51] <screamslash> the real thing that effects what
you're actually experiencing is the desktop environment
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1056[06:58:55] <r3m> ,v quassel
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1057[06:58:56] <judd> Package: quassel on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.8.0-1+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 0.8.0-1+deb7u3; jessie-security:
1:0.10.0-2.3+deb8u1; jessie: 1:0.10.0-2.3+deb8u3; stretch:
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1076[07:08:58] <pingfloyd> screamslash: and dist policies
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1172[08:22:26] <Guest67530> which parts of linux were gnu
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1173[08:22:39] <Guest67530> well what parts of linux/gnu are gnu
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1176[08:23:20] <missmbob> pretty much all the userland unix
tools.
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1178[08:26:56] <Guest67530> so mostly its the fundamental tools
used with linux
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1180[08:27:24] <Guest67530> that were developed before linux and
adpoted as soon as linux got off the ground
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1183[08:28:31] <missmbob> yes
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1190[08:32:03] <Guest67530> what is the difference between debian
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1191[08:32:12] <Guest67530> is ubuntu just a re-skin
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1194[08:33:34] <awal1> dpkg. ubuntu
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1195[08:33:46] <awal1> dpkg: ubuntu
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1196[08:33:46] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not
Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on
chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less
helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on
#debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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1198[08:34:10] <missmbob> it's not even close to just a
skin. hell the vast majority of their apps use snap now
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1200[08:34:47] <missmbob> ubuntu doesnt believe in stability. it
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1205[08:38:53] <awal1> In fact, ubuntu would like to be a
windows/mac, a comercial OS, for make money, if it wasn't based
almost on free software/debian
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1215[08:40:43] <awal1> if next year debian swithes to sysvinit or
openrc, ubuntu also will do :D
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1222[08:45:52] <law> is there a resource that matches up
Debian/Jessie installer questions with their appropriate d-i section
counterpart?
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1223[08:46:18] <law> and, is there a preseed linter available, by
chance?
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1255[08:57:24] <lotus777> has anybody installed Debian on an
iPad?
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1364[09:52:09] <maasha> I need a bit of help, I get an err:
'no ocijdbc11 in java.library.path'
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1365[09:52:45] <maasha> How to get that driver and how to add it
to that path?
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1374[09:59:23] <maasha> .oO(I anyone awake?)
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1376[09:59:43] <maasha> o_O
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1377[09:59:50] <maasha> O_o
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1382[10:01:55] <babilen> And in which context do you run into
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application… you're supposed to guess, you know
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during the debian install - why is the /boot partition not
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1401[10:07:11] <Epakai> because the bootloader has to be able to
read /boot to load a kernel
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1403[10:08:46] <gebruiker> epakai is that not a security concern?
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1404[10:09:18] <bezaban> it is, but it would be impossible to get
a system booted and decrypted if it wasn't readable
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1406[10:09:31] <bezaban> there are approaches, /boot on removable
device etc
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1407[10:09:46] <Epakai> sure, if somebody has physical access the
kernel could be replaced and you might not know the machine was
compromised that way
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1409[10:10:22] <Epakai> there are ways to encrypt boot, but i
don't think the debian installer implements any
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1410[10:10:31] <gebruiker> bezaban i found
replaced-url
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1411[10:10:40] <gebruiker> and @ epakai too
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1413[10:11:48] <bezaban> ah neat. I don't know
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1414[10:12:03] <bezaban> I've seen that approach on arch
come to think of it
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1415[10:12:35] <gebruiker> You guys think it is worth bug
reporting this?
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1416[10:12:49] <bezaban> to leverage it you'd need physical
access and then get the machine back to the owner, then reclaim the
machine
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1417[10:12:58] <bezaban> aka evil maid
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1418[10:13:27] <bezaban> and at that point there are a lot of
other concerns
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1420[10:13:35] <bezaban> it wouldn't be a bug per say, but a
feature request sure
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1421[10:13:53] <Epakai>
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1422[10:13:54] <judd> Bug
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1423[10:14:39] <bezaban> there you go
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1424[10:14:53] <gebruiker> cool
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1426[10:15:31] <gebruiker> hmm no response from the dev
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1430[10:20:04] <maasha> babilen: sorry, was away for a sec. So I
have basically tried to google for the issue and come up with very
little. I suppose I should download jdbc from somewhere, but it is
not packaged for debian
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1439[10:23:38] <sqz> any tips on automated
publishing/distributing a linux package for multiple
architectures/distros? (packagecloud.io seems pricy for an
individual like myself)
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1442[10:24:23] <colo-work> maybe check out SUSE's open build
service
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1443[10:24:33] <sqz> would be great to hear any tools for that
(instead having to fire up virtualbox for every distro and doing it
manually)
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1444[10:24:38] <colo-work> (never used it, but I believe it
provides that)
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1479[10:43:20] <sqz> actually it would make sense
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1481[10:43:43] <sqz> i remember hearing about suse's build
server..but back then i was like 'why..you can do that
locally'
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1483[10:44:33] <sqz> but a
push-once-build-multi-distro-packages-workflow definately makes more
sense
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1484[10:45:06] <sqz> colo-work: have you ever used checkinstall?
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1485[10:45:36] <devCon> Hello there I have a problem with setting
my atheros usb card on debian testing? many networks are shown but
when I try to connect it fails
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1486[10:46:07] <devCon> checked the password already
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1487[10:47:30] <colo-work> sqz, yes. it's a quick and dirty
"solution" to the problem
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1488[10:47:40] <colo-work> (the quotes are there for a reason)
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1489[10:48:13] <sqz> colo-work: there are better ways of doing
it? I was actually surprised how ridiciliously easy it made .deb
packages for me :D
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1492[10:48:54] <sqz> devCon: maybe try wpa-supplicant commandline
with verbose output?
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1495[10:51:16] <colo-work> sqz, well, the packages it generates
will most probably not conform to the Debian policy
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1496[10:51:24] <colo-work> so that's OK if you only want to
use them locally
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1498[10:51:41] <colo-work> but providing them to the general
public will probably leave your users frustrated in the end
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1502[10:53:23] <Pooff> Hi! Do you know why translation does not
work in Chromium?
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1504[10:55:07] <c-c> Pooff: you switched it off?
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1505[10:55:33] <Pooff> No it just tells me it is impossible to
translate
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1507[10:55:46] <Pooff> on Windows, translation occurs without any
problems
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1510[10:56:11] <c-c> Pooff: on Chrome? or ChromiUM?
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1511[10:56:17] <Pooff> Both
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1512[10:56:26] <devCon> sqz: sorry I' m not skilled with
wpa_supplicant, although I know some basics on linux and I'm
confortable with the command line, which command should I run?
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1515[10:56:38] <Pooff> Chrome and Chromium on Linux do not
translate
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1516[10:56:56] <Pooff> Can you try?
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1518[10:57:11] <c-c> Pooff: I hate translated pages, I always
turn it off
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1519[10:57:29] <Pooff> sometimes it can be useful.
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1521[10:59:07] <c-c> Pooff: does this page ask you to get
translated?
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1522[11:00:00] <Pooff> Yes
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1523[11:00:17] <Pooff> But then “impossible to
translate”
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1525[11:01:24] <c-c> Pooff: have you logged into your account *in
the browser*
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1526[11:01:33] <Pooff> No
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1527[11:01:33] <c-c> thats what it probably requires, a google
account
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1528[11:01:36] <c-c> as such
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1529[11:01:41] <Pooff> hum...
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1530[11:01:43] <Pooff> maybe
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1531[11:01:46] <c-c> your question is very offtopic for this
channel
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1535[11:01:54] <Pooff> yes, true
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1536[11:02:02] <c-c> So, good luck and use the search engine to
ask more!
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1604[11:37:26] <SaggyClit> I need more clit sex
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1605[11:37:31] <SaggyClit> must lick clits
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1606[11:37:34] <SaggyClit> big clits
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1607[11:37:43] <sqz> devCon: well install wpa-supplicant, and
check the manual I would say
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1608[11:37:51] <SaggyClit> sqz, do you have a clit?
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1643[11:49:37] <daemon> hey all I noticed, I just copied a load
of crap to a usb device, it sempt to be copying at 130MB/ps which
was impressive only ever seen 4MB/ps on the drive, anyhow once
finishd I went to unmount it, Cannot unmount writing data to device
... so obviously it copied to some sort of write cache
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1645[11:49:43] <daemon> is there anyway I can disable write
caching for usb pens
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1647[11:49:53] <daemon> would rather have more accurate copy
dialogues
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1648[11:50:09] <petn-randall> daemon: Mount the device with the
'sync' option.
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1649[11:50:18] <daemon> petn-randall, anyway to defautl apply oit
to all usb pens
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1650[11:50:55] <daemon> I imagine it will be in hal somewhere,
thunar automounted it
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1651[11:51:02] <daemon> or somewhere else?
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1656[11:53:44] <Iridos> who knows how that works…
it's magic, that is
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1658[11:54:07] <Iridos> anyway, wasn't there some reason why
mounting ssd devices with sync was not recommended?
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1659[11:54:12] <Derp> Hi, what chmod should I set my sqlite db
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1663[11:54:27] <Guest26295> I heard 777 isn't actually
dangerous
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1665[11:55:03] <Guest26295> For file permissions
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1667[11:55:34] <Guest26295> It's on a VPS not a shared
server
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1669[11:56:27] <Iridos> why is that even a question
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1681[12:01:18] <yulax> ismt it good practice to run sync after
copying to usb devices or sd cards anyway?
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1683[12:05:39] <Shadur> Doing it before disconnecting, certainly.
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1684[12:06:04] <Shadur> *probably* not necessary, but
doesn't harm to make sure.
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1691[12:09:36] <petn-randall> yulax: 'sync' will sync
*all* devices on that machine, so it's a bit overkill.
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1693[12:10:05] <maasha> so how to add a path to java.library.path
?
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1694[12:10:11] <petn-randall> yulax: When the umount command
returns, or your file manager gives a green light, it's ok to
pull out.
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1761[12:56:19] <wtn4726> yulax: if it is an external usb
harddisk, i would do umount and then eject -s on the block device.
some usb powered external harddisks need this to flush internal
buffers before power is removed.
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1764[12:58:29] <Ke> most file managers will call udisks2 to do
this
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1765[12:59:08] <Ke> yulax: note that sync has an option to do
filesystem specific sync with syncfs system call nowadays
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1773[13:04:26] <ChrisH> I added a second maillinglist on my
mailman (exim4 intergration). List 1 is used in one-direction only
like an annoucment list. The new list 2 should allow discussions.
Mails go out to the test reciepents, but their reply gets treated as
non-member post. But the mail adress visible in vette file matches
the mail adress list_members show. Any idea where I could continue
searching?
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1805[13:20:51] <rafalcpp> daemon: it copies it to a buffer in
computer RAM. it get's actually written slower/later, at least
when you unmount device
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1806[13:21:02] <rafalcpp> s/get's/gets
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1812[13:22:58] <daemon> rafalcpp, I know how it works I want to
know howto disable it for all usb mass storage devices
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1826[13:28:36] <rafalcpp> daemon: yeah maybe flag
"sync". or perhaps tune buffer size, somewhere in /proc/
maybe there is even per-device setting. I wonder if hdparm program
could set more details too
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1828[13:28:58] <rafalcpp> what tools you use to show network
interface bandwidth?
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1829[13:29:02] <rafalcpp> *b/w usage
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1830[13:29:39] <daemon> bmon
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1834[13:30:21] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: iftop
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1858[13:44:29] <MrDetonia> Is there a particular reason for this:
replaced-url
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1861[13:45:28] <petn-randall> MrDetonia: What is unexpected for
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1862[13:46:02] <Shadur> Not seeing anything particularly out of
the ordinary there.
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1863[13:46:11] <MrDetonia> petn-randall: why is the difference
between --no-install-recommends and otherwise so ridiculous?
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1865[13:46:22] <MrDetonia> why does my kernel apparently
recommend X11
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1866[13:46:25] <MrDetonia> and texlive
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1867[13:46:27] <MrDetonia> and ruby
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1868[13:46:29] <MrDetonia> etc.
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1869[13:46:47] <MrDetonia> *kernel patch
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1871[13:47:14] <wtn4726> one of my first actions on a newly
installed debian is to disable recommends in global apt config
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1873[13:47:32] <petn-randall> MrDetonia: I'm guessing some
of the packages recommends it ...
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1874[13:47:36] <MrDetonia> wtn4726: ah, you see sometimes I do
that
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1876[13:47:48] <MrDetonia> wtn4726: but then *some* packages
*actually* depends on one of the recommends
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1879[13:48:10] <MrDetonia> it just seems like a mess :/ this in
particular was just ridiculous
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1880[13:48:11] <themill> kernel-package wants to build you
documentation
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1881[13:48:11] <wtn4726> then i'd say those packages are
broken
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1884[13:48:15] <Shadur> It doesn't. It recommends the
documentation package, which in turn recommends tex and docbook,
which in turn recommend certain packages that depend on some minor
xorg core libs, which is how xorg-common gets pulled in.
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1885[13:48:31] <MrDetonia> and there is no way to prevent that?
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1886[13:48:39] <MrDetonia> why not only install top level
recommends?
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1887[13:48:43] <wtn4726> packages shouldn't _depend_ on
their _recommends_
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1888[13:48:43] <Shadur> Yes. Don't automatically follow
recommendations.
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1889[13:48:56] <MrDetonia> but then issue I mentioned above
causes problems
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1891[13:49:13] <themill> what problem?
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1893[13:49:15] <MrDetonia> I'm trying to remember a package
in particular, I think it was Qemu
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1895[13:49:28] <MrDetonia> if you don't install recommends
for qemu, it just doesn't work
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1896[13:49:29] <themill> pastebin or it didn't happen.
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1897[13:49:46] <MrDetonia> themill: that's not really
productive, this is on an old system, why don't you test
yourself
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1898[13:49:46] <petn-randall> MrDetonia: I'm not sure what
your problem is. You already know about the --no-install-recommends
flag, and you're not happy with the Recommends. So just use it
and carry on with life?
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1899[13:49:59] * themill nots that qemu has no Recommends
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1904[13:50:48] <MrDetonia> themill: it may have been qemu related
then, possibly virt-manager
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1905[13:50:59] <petn-randall> MrDetonia: Every package will work
(that is execute without segfault, etc.) completely without
recommends. It might just not have all the functionality that a
typical user might expect from it. That's why recommends is on
by default.
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1906[13:51:03] <MrDetonia> petn-randall: so that isn't a
problem then?
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1910[13:51:44] <petn-randall> MrDetonia: How is that a problem?
Worst case is you wasted a few MB of disk space when you could have
done without.
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1912[13:52:05] <MrDetonia> >few MB
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1913[13:52:12] <MrDetonia> the difference is hundreds of
megabytes
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1914[13:52:21] <MrDetonia> and xserver
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1915[13:52:27] <MrDetonia> for zero reason, as far as I can tell
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1917[13:52:41] <noobie_> If I have custom compiled kernel and I
want to upgrade it with same parametres. Do I have to recompile a
newer verson manually or can I simply do it with apt-get?
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1919[13:52:43] <MrDetonia> also please, don't confuse this
with me complaining at debian or apt or anything
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1922[13:53:10] <MrDetonia> this just seems so blatently wrong,
surely there should be a way of preventing this for users that maybe
don't know how the recommends work?
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1925[13:54:02] <petn-randall> MrDetonia: x11-common is not the X
server. xserver-xorg is the server.
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1926[13:54:32] <MrDetonia> either way, I think it's clear my
point still stands
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1927[13:54:54] <MrDetonia> (xterm is also included for my xserver
I don't actually have, in that case)
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1929[13:55:13] <petn-randall> MrDetonia: Well, there's
always a trade-off. You could set the Recommends tighter, and then
users would complain in IRC that their piece of software
doesn't work the way they expect it.
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1930[13:55:13] <themill> MrDetonia: the reason has been
explained. Either accept it or don't. Either way, there's
nothing to keep arguing about.
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1932[13:56:07] <petn-randall> MrDetonia: But since 1 GB of HDD
clocks at ~4ct, it's hardly worth the work for end users. If
you're an admin and are provisioning VM or thousands of
machines, you'll know about recommends and which ones to omit.
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1934[13:56:38] <MrDetonia> well I tried I guess, apparently this
isn't an issue for any other Debian users
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1936[13:57:19] <petn-randall> MrDetonia: As I said, it's
more of a problem if something *doesn't* work. People seldomly
complain of wasting a few megs on their drives.
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1940[13:58:05] <themill> MrDetonia: this is a help channel not
for bug reports. All you can get here is "you can use
--no-install-recommends" and then your problem is already
solved.
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1944[13:59:00] <MrDetonia> themill: the topic says nothing about
being a help channel, but okay. I get the idea nobody here atm cares
about this
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2000[14:20:45] <daemon> where is /var/run/dmesg.boot in debian?
i.,e. dmesg at time of boot
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2059[14:43:00] <petn-randall> daemon: You have /var/log/dmesg,
and you can install bootlogd in not running systemd, or with
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2060[14:43:55] <daemon> petn-randall, that appears to be an empty
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2166[15:29:51] <ChrisH> That is pNFS?
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2172[15:32:54] <petn-randall> parallel NFS
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2180[15:36:04] <jelly> pretty NFS?
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2181[15:36:12] <ChrisH> NFS is pretty
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2182[15:36:27] <jelly> riight!
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2183[15:36:45] <petn-randall> ANAB - All NFSs are beautiful!
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2193[15:38:59] <jelly> nfs lives matter
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2194[15:39:15] <jelly> !qotd0
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2195[15:39:16] <dpkg> <jetscreamer> should be doable
though, even if it's not
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2257[16:07:57] <brahman> Hi, one of our staff has just allowed am
AmazonWebServices support agent to run a remote desktop connection
using something called bomgar. According to the staff member that
all worked fine. AFAIK it's a Java application that shares
screen and allows uploading of files, etc.
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2258[16:08:42] <brahman> My Question is around the state of the
server once that java app has been run. Should I consider that
debian server as having been compromised and rebuild it?
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2259[16:09:30] <OpenTokix> brahman: yes
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2260[16:09:35] <brahman> Feels dirty to allow some random java
app to run on our production systems
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2261[16:09:36] <FinalX> hehe, we just started deploying Bomgar to
help customers as well. someone just helped a 89-year old with
setting up Apple Mail :)
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2264[16:09:48] <OpenTokix> brahman: does not sound like something
amazon support would do
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2266[16:09:52] <petemc> bomgar is well known
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2270[16:10:34] <FinalX> brahman: Bomgar-wise, I wouldn't.
It's been vetted by our security officer and security team as
well. However, policy-wise and trust-wise, you have to consider the
company that it came from. If in this case it really is Amazon, do
you mistrust them enough to warrant a reinstall?
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2271[16:10:51] <FinalX> brahman: Don't have you any way of
verifying what was altered on your system?
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2272[16:10:56] <brahman> OpenTokix: I am not particularly worried
about amazon or the representative but potentially that agent would
have had access to the private gpg keys installed on the box etc...
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2273[16:11:41] <FinalX> Well, that always remains a possibility,
yes. So again, depends on 1) Do you trust the agent enough to not
having done that. 2) Do you have any way of verifying what the agent
accessed.
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2274[16:11:53] <brahman> it goes against all my rules of allowing
unknown software to run on our production servers... I was away and
couln't prevent this from happening.
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2275[16:12:22] <brahman> FinalX: Unfortunately no way of knowing
if files changed
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2276[16:12:41] <FinalX> Well, not just changed; you're
worried about private keys; so in that regard, read access is
already enough.
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2277[16:13:01] <FinalX> And yeah, I get you, just throwing in
food for considerations.
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2279[16:13:41] <brahman> FinalX: yeah, am worried about read
access to gpg keys, and other stuff on this prd server. Ultimately
AWS have access to all the instances but this feels worse for some
reason.
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2282[16:14:04] <FinalX> I'd feel really icky with it all. In
this case it all comes down to a matter of trust, really. Trust in
the agent. That being said, with Bomgar, the customer they are
helping can see everything the Amazon agent does.
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2283[16:14:22] <FinalX> So if he paid attention, he could've
seen precisely everything the agent did or did not do.
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2284[16:14:28] <brahman> FinalX: Does the agent have full access
to the box or just viewing the screen?
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2285[16:14:33] <riot> uuh, this is outdated:
replaced-url
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2286[16:14:36] <Circuitsoft> Hello - on a machine running
stretch, how can I step through one particular function in the
kernel? Do I need to rebuild the kernel? I don't see
linux-image-...-dbg packages anymore.
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2287[16:15:10] <FinalX> Depends on the access you give them,
brahman. As far as I know the one you're helping (your coworker
in this case), has to allow permission to change.
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2289[16:15:38] <brahman> FinalX: Ah ok, I think he only let them
view the screen not sit in the driver seat.
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2290[16:15:43] <FinalX> brahman: I'll doublecheck with one
of our agents, sec.
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2291[16:15:50] <wtn4726> riot: how many consoles do you have on
unstable? just one?
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2294[16:16:34] <Circuitsoft> riot: I think you "systemctl
enable getty@tty{2,3,4,5,6}"
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2297[16:17:33] <FinalX> brahman: I just heard that it's
either "all or nothing", so no view-only
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2298[16:17:43] <riot> wtn4726: none at all! scary
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2302[16:18:06] <riot> wtn4726: well, err, the first one seems to
be logging bootstuffs, but there's no login prompt on any.
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2303[16:18:17] <FinalX> brahman: but they also said that all
actions done by the agent are visible to the person they're
helping in that session.
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2304[16:18:26] <petn-randall> riot: What do you get when
switching to TTY1,2,3, etc?
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2305[16:18:33] <riot> Circuitsoft: is this configurable from
outside, ie. when i only have the /etc partition of that one
mounted?
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2307[16:18:52] <Circuitsoft> riot: It's done by symlinks.
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2308[16:18:52] <riot> petn-randall: nothing :> quite scary -
only f7 gets me back to xorg
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2309[16:19:07] <riot> Circuitsoft: oh. okay, then it should be
possible. thanks!
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2310[16:19:08] <brahman> FinalX: ok, so hopefully he was paying
attention
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2312[16:19:47] <Circuitsoft> "readlink
/etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/getty@tty1.service" on
my machine yields "/lib/systemd/system/getty@.service"
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2313[16:19:51] <brahman> FinalX: Would you let AWS run bomgar on
your own debian desktop?
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2314[16:19:57] <riot> aah, yeah, there's a
getty@tty1.service .. somehow i expected this was systemd-related
again..
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2315[16:20:11] <FinalX> brahman: also, any new session would have
to be re-authorized with session codes
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2316[16:20:30] <FinalX> brahman: no, I'd never let anyone
run any kind of software that can view, let alone modify, anything
on any of my machines.
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2317[16:20:40] <riot> Circuitsoft: but do you have a login
running there? i didn't even get one on tty1 :/
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2320[16:21:02] * rgl waves
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2321[16:21:11] <rgl> I'm having some trouble with a thin
volume metadata. and doing a lvextend -L +128M
pve-storage/data_tmeta says Insufficient free space: 32 extents
needed, but only 0 available ... any idea how to make room for it?
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2323[16:21:14] <brahman> FinalX: agreed. I will rebuild the
system
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2324[16:21:16] <FinalX> brahman: let alone production servers
with sensitive information. but we're an internet access,
e-mail and hosting company and we have customers in their 80's,
for which it is absolutely brilliant to guide them through things or
sset e-mail up for them etc.
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2325[16:21:16] <brahman> Grrrr
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2326[16:21:19] <Circuitsoft> I do. Maybe look at was
getty@.service does, and see if all the executables are valid.
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2328[16:21:24] <jmp> hi there
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2329[16:21:25] <petn-randall> riot: "nothing" as in
black screen, or doesn't it even switch?
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2330[16:21:27] <riot> what happened to the good old inittab...
:.(
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2331[16:21:33] <jmp> I have Xen in a host with debian Stretch
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2332[16:21:36] <riot> petn-randall: no, as mentioned: i get some
boot-logs but naught else
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2333[16:21:38] <jmp> it does work with dom0 kernel 4.6
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2334[16:21:42] <wtn4726> riot: systemd ate it
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2335[16:21:43] <jmp> fails with any higher version
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2336[16:21:54] <jmp> any ideas why ?
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2337[16:21:55] <riot> it sure eats too many good things.
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2338[16:22:12] <petn-randall> riot: the tty with systemd only
gets started the moment you switch, so something might be broken on
your system (works fine here on stretch).
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2339[16:22:18] <brahman> FinalX: yeah I get the user case behind
it, I just find it goes against all the common sense I developed
over the years...
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2341[16:22:35] <riot> weirdly, on this rather up to date but
older sid install, i have the same systemd links and still have 6
fine ttys
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2342[16:22:48] <FinalX> brahman: yeah, same here, I'm rather
paranoid, and I've given internet safety courses over the years
as well, so, you know. I totally get you.
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2343[16:22:57] <riot> petn-randall: its a very default-installed
recent (3 weeks old) unstable
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2344[16:23:06] <romano2k> hi there! would anyone know how i could
convert a torrents.state text file into a CSV file? (example:
replaced-url
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2345[16:23:10] * brahman has a fun afternoon rebuilding a server, and
potentially changing GPG keys
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2346[16:23:12] <wtn4726> riot: can you get at least an xterm or
something in xorg?
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2348[16:23:29] <FinalX> brahman: we also only do it if the call
is taking way too long because we really can't get things
explained to the customer and the customer is getting frustrated.
it's not a standard go-to thing.
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2349[16:23:43] <zh1> hypervisor type 1 for debian 8.6? most
recommended?
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2353[16:24:10] <riot> wtn4726: i assume as much, i'm just
back on the old system because i fscked up the password on the new
one (and TIL about nullok_secure.. *grnf* - well, it makes sense)
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2354[16:24:25] <brahman> FinalX: thanks for your help on this.
Much Appreciated!
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2355[16:24:45] <FinalX> np :)
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2356[16:25:22] <riot> still, i wonder how this sid manages to get
six nice ttys running without many differences in systemd's
config.. is something perhaps still parsing the old inittab it has
for compat?
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2358[16:27:30] <romano2k> with a paste.debian.net link:
replaced-url
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2369[16:32:52] <ChrisH> romano2k: check
replaced-url
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2378[16:38:53] <romano2k> thanks ChrisH, will check that!
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2389[16:44:28] <riot> hmm, just adding the symlinks didn't
give me login prompts *shudders*
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2437[17:02:09] <rvalles>
replaced-url
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2442[17:03:14] <riot> well. really annoying. I installed slim
(desktop manager) and now even the recovery mode is broken.
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2452[17:06:11] <jeff21> where can we find the sha512 and sha256
sums for the debian net install file
(debian-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso)?
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2454[17:07:09] <jelly> jeff21: same directory where you download
the image itself
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2458[17:08:00] <jeff21> thank you, jelly. could you please post a
link to that directory?
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2460[17:08:05] <colo-work> riot, you should probably use lightdm
instead.
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2463[17:08:58] <riot> colo-work: kinda too late now. can't
get back in.. *sigh* i'm considering going back to slackware
actually. after 26 years, why not ;)
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2464[17:09:02] <jelly> jeff21: do you have the URL where you
downloaded the .iso from?
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2468[17:10:14] <colo-work> riot, "back in"? just switch
to another VT with getty on it?
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2469[17:10:28] <jelly> my chrome browser is acting weird and
fails to refresh unless resized, but it's still playing music
and I don't want to restart it
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2470[17:10:41] <riot> colo-work: they're missing. <3
systemd.. (if i ever personally meet that poettering guy, he's
in for some pain)
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2478[17:12:57] <colo-work> riot, well, the _default_ installation
of Debian sure configures those. even with systemd providing PID 1.
:)
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2480[17:13:17] <rvalles>
replaced-url
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2481[17:13:26] <colo-work> riot, you can reboot your box to a
different target that doesn't have the graphical login included
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2483[17:13:46] <colo-work> (choosing single user mode in the
bootloader prompt should be enough)
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2484[17:13:52] <riot> colo-work: default unstable installation -
and no, the rescue mode dies quickly with a black screen :> fun
in a box
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2486[17:14:12] <colo-work> ah, well. unstable = all bets off
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2488[17:14:17] <jelly> !d-i
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2489[17:14:17] <dpkg> Debian 8 "Jessie" is now the
"stable" Debian release. See
replaced-url
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2490[17:14:29] <TomTomTo1> !why is docker.io not in testing
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2491[17:14:30] <dpkg> docker.io is not in testing for the reasons
listed in
replaced-url
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2492[17:14:35] <TomTomTo1> rvalles: ^
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2496[17:14:59] <riot> colo-work: first unstable installation (of
many hundreds) that exhibits these weird problems :D the one
i'm using right now is living >10 years
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2498[17:15:23] <jelly> jeff21: basically you visit
replaced-url
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2500[17:15:46] <riot> it all came with stupid systemd. Also dbus
is evil! I'm going to switch to bsd or hurd or something,
should there ever be a real kdbus in linx.
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2501[17:15:49] <rvalles> TomTomTo1: Thanks.
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2502[17:16:02] <jelly> riot: good luck!
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2504[17:16:37] <jeff21> jelly: thank you
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2507[17:18:25] <jeff21> the iso is served over http (fine) but
the sums and signatures are also delivered over http
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2509[17:18:42] <jeff21> . where can we find these verification
files delivered over https?
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2510[17:19:12] <jelly> jeff21: why? use gpg to verify the
signatures.
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2513[17:20:11] <jelly> of course, getting the right gpg public
key in a trusted way is a different issue :-)
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2516[17:21:01] <jeff21> pardon my ignorance, but the signatures
are separate files. how do we know that the sum files haven't
been MITMed over http?
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2520[17:22:26] <jeff21> (pardon my ignorance)
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2522[17:23:04] <riot> agetty is still installed by default,
right?
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2524[17:23:26] <jelly> Jacob843: by verifying pgp sigs.
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2525[17:23:41] <jelly> jeff21: by verifying pgp sigs
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2527[17:24:07] <jelly> the MITMer would need to have the same
private keys that are used to sign the original files
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2528[17:24:42] <jeff21> jelly:
replaced-url
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2532[17:25:32] <jelly> yep
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2534[17:25:56] <jeff21> and it says For more information about
how to do these steps, read the verification guide (replaced-url
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2535[17:26:40] <jeff21> ...but that page does not actually walk
through the steps
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2536[17:26:42] <jelly> jeff21: so you download a checksum file
and the matching .sign or .pgp, and use an OpenPGP implementation
like gnupg (gpg) to check its validity
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2543[17:30:01] <jelly> jeff21: something like "gpg
--keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 42468F4009EA8AC3" and then
"gpg SHA256SUMS.sign"
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2561[17:33:22] <riot> wicked, exchanging slim back to sddm via
systemd-symlink still leaves me with a broken x.org. any idea what
might have caused that?
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2566[17:34:03] <jeff21> jelly: thank you. in the "recv-keys
42468F4009EA8AC3", what is the basis for the
"42468F40" portion?
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2578[17:36:08] <jeff21> jelly: altogether, this is the last 16
characters of the public key fingerprint, yes?
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2580[17:37:04] <tehrabbitt> anyone here work with aptly before?
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2581[17:37:13] <tehrabbitt> i'm having issues getting apache
to host the index
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2582[17:37:43] <tehrabbitt> it wants to place the index at
/root/.aptly/public/ which is problematic.
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2588[17:39:02] <jelly> jeff21: yep
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2589[17:39:04] <jeff21> sorry if these questions are too basic.
we are trying to learn the verification process
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2590[17:39:16] <jelly> no problem
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2592[17:39:44] <jelly> pgp/gpg has been horribly unfriendly for
the last 20 years
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2597[17:41:16] <jelly> and it's way too easy to brute-force
generate a key matching the last 32bits of the fingerprint,
historically used as "short fingerprint", and upload it to
public keyservers
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2599[17:41:52] <thefreakjoe> help plz,
replaced-url
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2605[17:43:19] <jelly> thefreakjoe: which version of
debian-archive-keyring package is installed?
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2619[17:46:43] <jelly> ,v debian-archive-keyring
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2620[17:46:44] <judd> Package: debian-archive-keyring on amd64 --
wheezy: 2014.3~deb7u1; sid: 2014.3; jessie: 2014.3; stretch: 2014.3
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2634[17:52:30] <jpastore> hi I was wondering if someone could
point me to a guide on setting up an ipsec site to site link with a
carrier. trying to use strongswan. is that recommended?
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2646[17:56:16] <riot> hah, i'm back in the system. chroot +
dpkg-reconfigure sddm did the trick
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2666[18:01:55] <thefreakjoe> hey
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2668[18:02:12] <thefreakjoe> how do i see the version of my
debian-archiv-keyring
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2672[18:02:41] <jelly> thefreakjoe: dpkg -l
debian-archive-keyring (last line of the output)
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2673[18:02:56] <thefreakjoe> just a moment
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2685[18:04:03] <thefreakjoe>
replaced-url
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2697[18:07:03] <jelly> thefreakjoe: that seems fine. What happens
if you "apt-key update" ?
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2701[18:07:27] <jelly> thefreakjoe: please do "export
LC_ALL=C" in that root shell, so further messages are in
English
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2702[18:07:39] <jelly> do it before the apt-key stuff
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2711[18:09:25] <tehrabbitt> anyone here use aptly before?
i've specified the root directory to save the db and mirror
files to /aptly but instead, it insists on /root/.aptly/ even though
i've specified "/aptly" in the config. it seems like
it's ignoring it completely
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2713[18:09:58] <tehrabbitt> i'm completely stumped.
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2720[18:11:24] <Spec> tehrabbitt: pastebin your aptly.conf (with
keys redacted)?
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2723[18:12:16] <tehrabbitt>
replaced-url
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2728[18:13:20] <Spec> tehrabbitt: Hmm, looks right to me. Perhaps
you have conflicting config in ~/.aptly.conf ?
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2729[18:13:26] <thefreakjoe> jelly: it retrieves 7 keys
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2731[18:13:31] <thefreakjoe> no error
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2735[18:13:53] <tehrabbitt> Spec, I deleted the .aptly directory
completely, doesn't exist.
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2736[18:14:02] <Spec> tehrabbitt: not the directory, but a config
in ~/
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2739[18:14:17] <tehrabbitt> Spec, that's what I mean, I
deleted the one that was there
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2742[18:14:47] <Spec> tehrabbitt: have you tried calling aptly
with -config=/etc/aptly.conf explicitly?
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2743[18:14:59] <tehrabbitt> yeah it's throwing an error one
sec, maybe that's why :|
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2748[18:16:28] <Bonn333> Hello guys
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2752[18:17:20] <tehrabbitt> Spec, I deleted all the conf files,
ran it once so it'd auto-generate, and now I copied it over to
my /etc/ location, edited the file to show the new root dir, deleted
.aptly from /root/ and ran it again, seems to be working now
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2756[18:17:30] <tehrabbitt> I'm guessing just a bad config
file
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2758[18:17:43] <Spec> tehrabbitt: :D
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2760[18:18:00] <thefreakjoe> jelly: when i issue apt-get updage,,
gettin this error, W: Erro GPG:
replaced-url
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2761[18:18:11] <thefreakjoe> update*
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2766[18:18:40] <tehrabbitt> Spec, i'm running the update
now... *crosses fingers* the issue I ran into least time, was that I
created the mirror, I added a snapshot, I went to access via http,
but since it kept making it in /root/.aptly/ It wouldn't let me
symlink it to /var/replaced-url
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2768[18:18:43] <zanshin> Dumb question: I have a NUC5i5RYH with a
dead Ethernet NIC. WiFi works. Can I install Debian 8 over WiFI? The
netinstall only looks for the Ethernet interface. Maybe the Live CD
does WifI?
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2771[18:18:48] <tehrabbitt> thus, no dir listing, thus no mirror
:|
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2785[18:20:50] <password2> hi
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2790[18:22:26] <teraflops> zanshin_: the netinstall looks for
wireless devices top if it has the appropriate driver and firmware
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2791[18:22:33] <teraflops> too
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2796[18:23:30] <n4dir> you could also just take CD 1 and setup
wifi after installation
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2797[18:23:49] <jelly> dpkg, tell zanshin_ about firmware images
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2801[18:24:50] <jelly> thefreakjoe: I asked you to run
"apt-key update", not "apt-get update"
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2830[18:31:13] <jpastore> how do I know if I have systemd? the
systemctl command is missing is not available
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2836[18:32:23] <petn-randall> jpastore: 'ls -al
/sbin/init'
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2839[18:32:44] <jpastore> petn-randall: yes it's there
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2842[18:33:10] <petn-randall> jpastore: It's a symlink,
where does it point to?
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2843[18:33:10] <jpastore> petn-randall: shouldn't I have
/bin/systemctl ?
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2846[18:33:35] <jpastore> petn-randall: it is not a sym link
it's a bin 36992 bytes
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2847[18:33:45] <petn-randall> jpastore: Which release are you
running?
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2850[18:34:19] <jpastore> petn-randall: this is a debian 7 box.
:/
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2853[18:34:32] <jelly> jpastore: what does "cat
/proc/1/comm" say
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2854[18:34:50] <jpastore> I'm on someone else's box
setting up ipsec
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2855[18:35:02] <jpastore> jelly: init
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2856[18:35:04] <jelly> jpastore: you wouldn't have systemd
on debian 7 unless you went out of your way to install it and make
it usable
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2857[18:35:06] <petn-randall> jpastore: Debian 7 is wheezy, and
that comes with plain old sysv init.
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2858[18:35:11] <jelly> that's sysvinit
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2861[18:35:32] <jelly> upgrade to 8 if you want it
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2862[18:35:35] <jpastore> I didn't realize this was 7 ox.
they said 8 the whole way through.
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2863[18:35:40] <jpastore> they setup another box
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2864[18:35:47] <jpastore> but I'm testing their shrew soft
ike config
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2865[18:35:48] <jpastore> which works
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2869[18:36:06] <petn-randall> jpastore: While systemd also exists
in wheezy, it was explicitely a technology preview, and far from
usable.
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2870[18:36:10] <jpastore> but I wanted the service to start and
the ikec to run automatically in rc.local
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2872[18:36:21] <jpastore> np
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2873[18:36:27] <jpastore> working on the itpables stuff now
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2874[18:36:39] <password2> Hmm
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2876[18:36:46] <petn-randall> jpastore: rc.local works still fine
in wheezy.
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2877[18:36:52] <password2> I wonder if cinnamon would run on my
old pc
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2889[18:39:28] <TyrfingMjolnir> Attempting to install debian
jessie net on MacMini 4,1
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2890[18:39:34] <TyrfingMjolnir> from memory stick
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2891[18:39:38] <TyrfingMjolnir> menu shows up
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2892[18:40:01] <TyrfingMjolnir> I do 64 bit installation, but
system get stuck on CD driver
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2894[18:40:36] <petn-randall> TyrfingMjolnir: How did you prepare
the memory stick? And what image did you pick?
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2896[18:40:59] <TyrfingMjolnir> amd64 net install
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2897[18:41:13] <TyrfingMjolnir> cat debian.iso > /dev/rdisk1
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2901[18:41:43] <jpastore> cool guys thanks
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2903[18:42:05] <jpastore> petn-randall: does rc.local work on
Jessie
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2904[18:42:13] <jpastore> they want to rebuild this on 8
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2905[18:42:16] <foetus> a fontconfig question - is it possible to
change font hinting settings for different applications?
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2907[18:42:53] <petn-randall> jpastore: IIRC systemd doesn't
source that file anymore, but you can easily set up a systemd unit
that does the same, but just safer.
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2909[18:43:13] <petn-randall> jpastore: If rc.local never exits,
the system will never finish booting. This can't happen anymore
with systemd.
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2911[18:43:47] <jpastore> petn-randall: can you recommend a guide
on how to do that?
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2913[18:44:05] <jelly> petn-randall: no, that particular hand
can't happen but we now have many other hangs to hang on to
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2914[18:44:12] <jelly> s/hand/hang/
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2916[18:45:05] <TyrfingMjolnir> petn-randall:
replaced-url
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2920[18:46:00] <TyrfingMjolnir> /sbin/ifconfig not found when
going to shell
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2921[18:46:09] <TyrfingMjolnir> Do I need to load some network
drivers?
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2923[18:46:19] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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2925[18:46:41] <petn-randall> TyrfingMjolnir: Do you have
ifconfig installed?
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2927[18:46:56] <TyrfingMjolnir> How would I know
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2928[18:47:02] <TyrfingMjolnir> This is the installer
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2930[18:47:27] * foetus is still weird that some applications are using
different hinting styles
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2995[19:06:46] <rapha> hi!
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2996[19:07:27] <rapha> half of the time, when i click a link it
opens in Firefox, even though in the XFCE settings, i've
specified Chromium as the default browser. is there any way to get
rid of that behaviour short of uninstalling firefox?
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2999[19:08:05] <petn-randall> rapha: Click a link in what
application?
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3003[19:08:35] <warchild> i have been trying to get debian to
remember that chromium is the default browser for a while now
without much luck
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3005[19:08:54] <petn-randall> rapha: It might be
/etc/alternatives/x-replaced-url
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3008[19:10:18] <rapha> petn-randall: mostly i have the problem in
weechat which is running inside of tmux inside of ssh inside of
xfce4-terminal
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3011[19:10:47] <rapha> /etc/alternatives/x-replaced-url
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3023[19:11:46] <warchild> hey is anyone using sid?
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3024[19:11:58] <qqx> Another thing to check is `xdg-settings get
default-web-browser`
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3025[19:11:59] <thefreakjoe> hi there, how does asus gl702vm ,its
a rog laptop, works regarding the shortcut F1..F12 ? doesnt seem to
work well only sound up and sound down, plus mute !
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3028[19:12:26] <warchild> it seems the video-abi package was
removed, and xorg uninstalls itself with dist-upgrade
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3029[19:12:41] <rapha> qqx: that one is correctly set to chromium
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3032[19:13:00] <gustavohmsilva> hi guys! hope you guys are ok. I
need some assistance here... it's a idiot question actually...
given that the pipe operator forward anything from on command to
another... I'm curious if i can use pipe my network card to
another command... I would have to run two pipes at the same time of
course... one for tx info, another on for rx info... but... is it
doable?
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3034[19:13:37] <thefreakjoe> 2
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3035[19:13:40] <petn-randall> gustavohmsilva: Sounds like you
want to use netcat to forward a specific port over the network.
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3036[19:13:55] <gustavohmsilva> not quite petn-randall
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3037[19:14:22] <petn-randall> gustavohmsilva: Piping directly to
your network card doesn't make much sense, since you still need
all the other layers around a datagram for it to reach its
destination.
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3038[19:14:53] <rapha> okay, so /etc/alternatives/x-replaced-url
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3039[19:14:58] <petn-randall> gustavohmsilva: Maybe you could
tell us about what you're trying to achieve, and we can tell
you what the most practical solution is.
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3041[19:15:28] <thefreakjoe> hi there, how does asus gl702vm ,its
a rog laptop, works regarding the shortcut F1..F12 ? doesnt seem to
work well only sound up and sound down, plus mute ! Thank you in
advance
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3042[19:15:32] <gustavohmsilva> petn-randall, the idea would be
to use tx and rx software defined radios to create a fully working
network connection between two computers...
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3045[19:16:53] <petn-randall> gustavohmsilva: You'd still
need some network layer to avoid both SDRs transmitting at the same
time, etc.
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3046[19:17:07] <tehrabbitt> what exactly is the difference
between "deb" and "deb-src" options when it
comes to apt sources?
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3047[19:17:10] <petn-randall> gustavohmsilva: Interesting idea,
but it'll need some work.
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3050[19:17:22] <gustavohmsilva> tehrabbitt, debian source code =
deb-src
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3052[19:17:32] <tehrabbitt> ah I see
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3054[19:18:01] <thefreakjoe> found it tks
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3055[19:18:22] <tehrabbitt> gustavohmsilva, so if i'm trying
to manage package installs through aptly, I can still include the
src location being the general public debian servers, since those
will only be source-code updates?
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3057[19:18:34] <gustavohmsilva> petn-randall, we have been using
the minimodem application (debian repo) to send and receive
encrypted communication over radio... it was relatively easy
actually!
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3059[19:18:51] <thefreakjoe> was under settings, universal
access, multimedia keys ENABLE ! :P fixed tks
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3064[19:19:50] <gustavohmsilva> tehrabbitt, I dunno what is aptly
actually... haha gonna have to google it...
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3079[19:22:56] <petn-randall> gustavohmsilva: If your SDR is
exists as a device under /dev/, you could pipe data back and forth
there.
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3083[19:24:12] <gustavohmsilva> pet-randall, interesting... But I
don't know if it will be possible... keep in mind that the sdr
need a lot of extra info besides what the eth0 will provide... like
the frequency of operation for example...
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3087[19:27:07] <gustavohmsilva> pet-randall, up to now,
we've been using for our communications something like that:
$echo "hello elliot" | minimodem --tx 1200
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3090[19:27:56] <gustavohmsilva> petn-randall, if he has a
terminal with minimodem --rx 1200, he will receive the info alright
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3093[19:28:18] <TyrfingMjolnir> how can I install elk?
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3095[19:28:52] <TyrfingMjolnir> in debian
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3096[19:29:04] <petn-randall> TyrfingMjolnir: How far did you get
with your own research?
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3097[19:29:13] <gustavohmsilva> petn-randall, considering, of
course, that gnuradio software is piping the audio input and output
to the sdr card
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3098[19:29:45] <petn-randall> gustavohmsilva: petn<tab>
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3100[19:30:07] <gustavohmsilva> sorry... it was my autospell
changing petn to pet...
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3101[19:30:09] <petn-randall> gustavohmsilva: Interesting. What
bitrates can you get through SDR, and what is the range?
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3102[19:30:20] <AndChat252681> Can anyone tell me the server and
channel for debian next, after the update my system got stuck
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3104[19:30:28] <petn-randall> !debian-next
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3105[19:30:29] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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3106[19:30:32] <petn-randall> AndChat252681: ^^^
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3110[19:31:25] <gustavohmsilva> petn-randall, no idea man... the
range will depend of the LNA you're using, on how potent is
your antenna etc etc...
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3113[19:32:52] <gustavohmsilva> petn-randall, I also dunno about
the bitrate man... we've been playing with minimodem for AGES
now... even over telephone calls lol
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3115[19:34:33] <gustavohmsilva> petn-randall, great way to have
encrypted RTC btw! just make a compatible 3.5mm cable between your
PC and smartphone, call the person and pipe encrypted message to
minimodem :D
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3116[19:35:12] <gustavohmsilva> petn-randall, it would be
actually the most secure mobile convo you'll have in your life
lol...
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3119[19:35:32] <petn-randall> gustavohmsilva: There are probably
easier ways, but definitely a funny hack :D
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3122[19:37:01] <TyrfingMjolnir> petn-randall: that i'ts not
version 5
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3126[19:39:37] <gustavohmsilva> petn-randall, we want to try this
with our hackRF boards now. It would be AWESOME... The problem is
how to make it work... We ere able to use minimodem to almost
everything... netcat helped us to make video chat
"tolerable" through phone calls...
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3127[19:40:28] <petn-randall> TyrfingMjolnir: How is that an
answer to my question?
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3128[19:40:40] <gustavohmsilva> petn-randall, unfortunately...
phreaking is almost dead... so finding info is actually really hard
those days
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3145[19:45:39] <gustavohmsilva> petn-randall, BY FAR the most
awesome things we've done so far with minimodem was to clone a
128mb thumbs drive :D
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3155[19:48:17] <petn-randall> gustavohmsilva: Sweet! Though I
imagine the throughput isn't that great when piping it through
the POTS.
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3157[19:49:01] <Tenkawa> Anyone had any success with ifuse and a
iphone 6s on jessie? i cant seem to get it to see the connected
phone
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3158[19:49:30] <tdn> I have an external eSATA drive. I can read
from it at about 115 MB/s. However, when I try to write to it, I get
~7 mb/s. What can cause this behaviour? I have tried formatting the
drive to ext4 and write files of various sizes using cp, rsync, etc.
I have also tried writing directly with dd. Both to the filesystem.
But also just writing directly with 'dd' to the block
device. I have tried various block sizes. It stills keeps staying at
about 7 mb/s.
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3160[19:50:04] <Tenkawa> ios 10.1.1 if needed
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3161[19:50:20] <petn-randall> tdn: Is this USB?
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3163[19:50:28] <petn-randall> tdn: gah, nvm
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3164[19:50:38] <tdn> petn-randall, eSATA.
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3165[19:50:45] <petn-randall> tdn: What is the underlying block
device?
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3166[19:51:09] <petn-randall> yeah, nvm was meant to be
"nevermind", not "non-volatile memory" ;)
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3167[19:51:13] <tdn> petn-randall, not sure what you mean?
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3168[19:51:49] <tdn> petn-randall, if I do dd directly to and
from the block device, I guess the underlying block device is the
actual disk?
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3170[19:51:57] <petn-randall> tdn: The eSATA drive, is it a
rotating HDD, a SSD, a CF card?
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3171[19:51:59] <tdn> petn-randall, or do you mean the name of it?
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3173[19:52:13] <tdn> petn-randall, it is a rotating HDD: It is a
LACIE D2 Quandra v3
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3176[19:52:35] <tdn>
replaced-url
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3179[19:53:29] <petn-randall> tdn: Do you get any errors in
/var/log/kern.log?
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3182[19:54:47] <tdn> petn-randall, during the tests, no.
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3183[19:54:54] <TyrfingMjolnir> I'm trying to install
elastic search
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3184[19:55:04] <TyrfingMjolnir> I have added elastic repo, and
oracle 8
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3185[19:55:06] <TyrfingMjolnir> Nov 23 19:53:04 elk01 systemd[1]:
elasticsearch.service: main process exited, code=exited,
status=78/n/a
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3186[19:55:11] <TyrfingMjolnir> Nov 23 19:53:04 elk01 systemd[1]:
Unit elasticsearch.service entered failed state.
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3187[19:55:20] <tdn> petn-randall, however, I am using the drive
for backups, so I have a few large transfers to it. When these are
going on, I might have some "process hung for more than 120
secs" messages.
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3188[19:55:31] <petn-randall> TyrfingMjolnir: What do you get in
the logs? "journalctl -u elasticsearch"
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3189[19:55:40] <TyrfingMjolnir> What I just posted
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3192[19:56:33] <petn-randall> TyrfingMjolnir: elastico repos are
not part of Debian and thus not supported here. But you can ask in
#elasticsearch.
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3197[20:00:12] <Jamal> Hello, I am installing my fresh debian
installation very soon
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3199[20:00:22] <Jamal> home server (no window gui)
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3200[20:00:53] <Jamal> can you advice me if I should use whole
disk (partition all space) or leave some unused for later?
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3202[20:01:01] <Jamal> I will use LVM to increase space
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3203[20:01:24] <tdn> petn-randall, do I need to install any
drivers, etc. before using an external esata drive in debian?
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3206[20:02:24] <Jamal> ./sda1 (20GB) will be for rootVG ./sda2
(50GB) will be for datavg rest of SSD will be unused space. Does it
make sense? :)
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3213[20:04:16] <petn-randall> tdn: Normally not, and you can use
it, so I think it's not a driver issue. Is it also so slow on
different OSes?
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3215[20:05:07] <tdn> petn-randall, I do not have other OS
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3217[20:05:25] <petn-randall> Jamal: 20 GB for root it good, and
a 2nd partition for any big data to go. So looks good to me. If you
change your mind later, you can always enlarge the LV and extend the
filesystem.
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3219[20:05:55] <petn-randall> tdn: Ok, I was hoping we could find
out if it's an issue with Debian, or if the drive is maybe
broken.
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3227[20:06:31] <tdn> petn-randall, I have checked smartctl -a,
and there does not seem to be any problems.
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3234[20:07:30] <kyshtynbai> Hi guys! I;ve lost internet
connection during netinstall and now I have only "base
system" installed. It does'not have resolv.conf in etc 0_o
. Could you please name me the package of dns resolver? I have
reised connection now...
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3237[20:08:05] <greycat> printf 'nameserver 8.8.8.8\n'
>> /etc/resolv.conf
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3240[20:08:35] <greycat> Ultimately something else will come
along and "fix" that, but that should be enough to limp up
to the starting line.
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3241[20:08:36] <petn-randall> kyshtynbai: I'd reinstall if
it didn't install some essential packages.
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3242[20:08:41] <kyshtynbai> well it was the first think I;v tried
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3289[20:24:43] <gebruiker> securing debian
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3290[20:24:46] <gebruiker>
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3311[20:32:33] <benjamin_> Quick question for you guys, I'm
having trouble with my installation of Debian, everything installed
correctly except my user account is saying that the password is
incorrect, so when I try a different username the password is also
incorrect. However when I enter the terminal from the login screen
and try the same username / password combination I tried on the GUI
login screen it logs in without
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3312[20:32:34] <benjamin_> issue. Am I missing something?
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3315[20:33:55] <GNU\colossus> benjamin_, maybe there's a
problem with the keyboard layouts being in effect on your VT, and in
your X session?
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3316[20:34:25] <benjamin_> GNU\colossus: Possibly, didn't
think about that.
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3317[20:34:33] <gebruiker> benjamin_: also in addition - are the
users in the right groups ?
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3319[20:35:16] <gebruiker> you might want to investigate /var/log
to see what the exact problem is
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3320[20:35:34] <benjamin_> gebruiker: can't say
specifically, as I only setup one user from the installation process
and I'm rather new to Linux as a whole. However I can say I
have changed any group information on this install
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3325[20:35:56] <gebruiker> if you setup the user during the
installation then the groups should be fine
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3327[20:37:17] <gebruiker> try changing the password of the user
you are trying to login as from the terminal, then see if your
Desktop Environment uses a weird keyboard configuration
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3335[20:38:48] <benjamin_> GNU\colossus: solved it, apparently
the caps lock key doesn't work (despite the light turning on
and the software showing it as enabled on the GUI, on my Apple Wired
Keyboard) so my uppercase letters I was typing in didn't
capitalize. However the shift key worked fine.
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3363[20:44:00] <d3xter> hey guys, i'm trying to get
i3-cinnamon working. when starting the session i get "required
component i3-cinnamon not found", although there is a
i3-cinnamon.desktop inside "/usr/share/applications" and
"i3-cinnamon" is executable. any hints?
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