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2[00:02:31] <zuiss1> debian packaged the LTS version of kde plasma 5 released in september. looks like it will make it into debian 9 release
3[00:02:39] <zuiss1> that's good news
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5[00:03:00] <missmbob> yes it'll be in stretch release
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19[00:08:42] <jim> missmbob, ok, good enough... thanks
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35[00:20:29] <spooky> can someone help me installing plex in debian?
36[00:21:17] <spooky> i downloaded the package but tried apt-get install plexmediaserver but it said it couldn't find the package
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38[00:22:13] <missmbob> spooky: that's because plexmediaserver isn't in debian. apt-get is only to install packages in debian. for third party you have to use dpkg -i foo.deb (assuming it's made for debian and for the release you want)
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41[00:23:25] <missmbob> spooky: using dpkg -i for non-debian (ubuntu, etc) or different debian releases (stretch, etc), on jessie will really break things
42[00:23:47] <spooky> missmbob: thanks. i think i'm using jessie
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44[00:24:17] <missmbob> spooky: so make sure you have a jessie package. then dpkg -i foo.deb should work. if it gives you problems of missing packages try apt-get -f install afterwards
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46[00:24:39] <spooky> also another question. i have downloaded the package i want (in this case plex) and i put it the home folder
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49[00:24:51] <missmbob> you cant do that
50[00:25:01] <missmbob> packages have built-in where they need to go
51[00:25:22] <spooky> when i downloaded this package (from the web) it downloaded to my download folder
52[00:25:39] <missmbob> doesnt matter where you downloaded it to
53[00:26:03] <spooky> okay
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55[00:26:28] <spooky> now am confused again. you said i can't move it to another folder but it doesn't matter where i download it to
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57[00:27:03] <missmbob> spooky: right. dpkg -i will put the files where they need to be. you have no say in it.
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62[00:28:13] <spooky> missmbob: but do i need to specify the name of the app i want put? in this case, plex?
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65[00:28:41] <missmbob> spooky: absolutely not. if you downloaded a deb, which is what you made it seem like, you simply dpkg -i foo.deb
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67[00:28:59] <missmbob> foo.deb being the name of the package
68[00:29:28] <spooky> missmbob: okay i will try that
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77[00:31:05] <missmbob> spooky: keep in mind i said several things: the .deb package you downloaded has to be for debian, not ubuntu or mint or whatever, and it has to be for jessie. then that'll work
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85[00:34:21] <spooky> missmbob: i want to say a VERY BIG thank you. you helped me a lot. yes, mine is debian and jessie
86[00:34:35] <spooky> so now i am writing down what you told me so i don't forget next time
87[00:34:44] <missmbob> spooky: you're very welcome
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92[00:35:15] <spooky> also thank you for being patient. i'm sorry but i'm new to linux
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197[01:31:01] <foul_owl> Hi folks. Having an issue with the cursor scaling with my 4k monitor. It's a good idea, but the scaling is reversed! The 4k gets the small cursor, the 1080p gets the large cursor
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229[01:47:56] <rklopfer> this resolved my issue: replaced-url
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245[01:54:53] <ohemdevin> Would you guys consider LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition) something closer to Debian than something like Ubuntu?
246[01:55:22] <themill> We know little about it other than we don't support it in #debian
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248[01:56:04] <ohemdevin> I was just curious. I'm more interested in installing Debian myself.
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266[02:09:18] <deweydb> Hi, probably a dumb question but... in terminal, i need to sudo to call 'shutdown'. But from X i can shutdown as the same user without sudo. Does this mean in X the user has some elevated permissions over what they do in terminal? does this apply to other commands as well?
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268[02:10:09] <johnkeates> no, it means X communicates to something else that has the rights to shut down
269[02:10:30] <johnkeates> to use those rights from the cli, systemctl poweroff or something like that might work
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272[02:12:51] <deweydb> so.. sorry for the dumb question, but if whatever X communicates to to gain elevated priveledges has a vulnerability, would this basically be a path for LPE?
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274[02:13:39] <deweydb> i guess maybe the command set is pretty limited.
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339[02:51:52] <somiaj> deweydb: what do you mean by from X? you are just running shutdown from a terminal or are you using some program in gnome/kde/xfce and selecting shutdown?
340[02:52:25] <deweydb> yeah, i mean X windows.
341[02:52:40] <deweydb> like kde
342[02:53:35] <somiaj> I mean how are you shutting it down? You are using some app? or just running shutdown/halt from a terminal?
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344[02:54:32] <somiaj> most desktops have an app that can shutdown the machine. They use to do this by using the display manager (such as gdm or kdm) which is run as root and sending it a single. I think the more modern ones use policy kit which allows certain actions to be elevated (such as shutting down) but not other actions
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347[02:57:36] <somiaj> it also might be that systemd is now used but do some policy, it should only be very specific actions are elevated (and limited to people in a certain group).
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362[03:05:17] <forkedover> Do you need to use ntfs when making a bootable usb?
363[03:06:01] <forkedover> The size of my flash drive is 128gb
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367[03:07:07] <sgflt> is there any GUI tool available for writing ISO images to USB sticks?
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369[03:07:18] <forkedover> unetbootin
370[03:07:58] <sgflt> can't find it on packages.debian.org
371[03:08:01] <forkedover> you can also use rufus in virtualbox on a windows install
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373[03:08:51] <sgflt> umm, that doesn't sound like a good option to m
374[03:08:53] <sgflt> e
375[03:09:03] <sgflt> unetbootin is only available for wheezy or sid
376[03:09:13] <forkedover> use can use make
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388[03:13:38] <sgflt> hmm, the old packages still work. i guess i'm still better off writing a new one though...
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393[03:15:58] <funkster> how can i set a specific wireless card to wlan0 instead of wlan1?
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395[03:16:39] <somiaj> funkster: look at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules -- it sets this by the macaddress
396[03:16:48] <somiaj> so if you change chards the new card won't have the same interface as the old one
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399[03:17:02] <funkster> somiaj: perfect. ty
400[03:17:15] <somiaj> sgflt: unetbootin is known to break debian .iso. What iso do you need to write to a usb stick?
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403[03:20:08] <sgflt> somiaj: i have custom-made usb stick images, created from scratch. all i need is something nicer than dd if=..., so that my non-technical users can write those
404[03:20:37] <somiaj> sgflt: I would use cp as suggested in the install manuall. cp debian.iso /dev/sdwhatever
405[03:20:42] <sgflt> somiaj: i do have a reasonably easy to use application written for this, although its still console based. i'm looking at adding it to the xfce4/thunar context menu atm
406[03:20:56] <somiaj> unsure how you made this custom made usb, but debian tools creating .iso's that may not work with unetbootin
407[03:21:00] <sgflt> somiaj: the requirement is "no typing" =)
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447[03:49:57] <winsen> does anyone know free alternative photoshop on debian?
448[03:50:07] <forkedover> gimp
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501[04:22:22] <Richard_Cavell> Is Debian fully compatible with the "machine" presented by VirtualBox?
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523[04:41:31] <socomm> Richard_Cavell: huh?
524[04:41:45] <socomm> Richard_Cavell: Debian works fine on virtualbox, if this is what you're asking
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546[05:00:18] <afidegnum> hello, i m trying to install easy_install -U gevent==1.1b4 and i am having myriad of errors, how do i fix this ? replaced-url
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549[05:03:13] <repairSession> hey guys! my network is brokean after an upgrade from wheezy to jessie. neither dhcp nor static works anymore, can you pls help me?
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554[05:04:32] <repairSession> i am on xfce and i wathced knetwork-manager go bye bye during the upgrade, setting and staartign et0 in etc/network/interfaces does somehow not get a lease, nor does it connet, when set to static values.
555[05:04:37] <repairSession> any ideas pls?
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561[05:10:47] <repairSession> ok, i got it thanks!
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584[05:29:25] <afidegnum> hello, how do make jessie-backports to work ? apt-get -t jessie-backports install python-gevent
585[05:29:44] <afidegnum> this is the erorr i m geting E: The value 'jessie-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
586[05:30:18] <Devastator> !backports
587[05:30:18] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
588[05:30:23] <dvs> !tell afidegnum about jessie-backports
589[05:31:32] <afidegnum> is it stable? can they be used?
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591[05:32:31] <dvs> jessie-backports is pretty stable, not as stable as jessie though.
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598[05:34:46] <hantu> !sid
599[05:34:46] <dpkg> i heard sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
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616[05:47:28] <somiaj> afidegnum: jessie-backports packages are compiled against libaries in jessie so they can be installed in testing. These packages do not recive the same amount of testing and security support as regular packages. They can be used, but should only be used in cases they are needed and the version in jessie is either non-existant or won't fit your needs.
617[05:47:58] <afidegnum> ok
618[05:48:24] <afidegnum> anyone here used ajenti before ?
619[05:49:05] <missmbob> somiaj: uh
620[05:49:12] <somiaj> arg I meant installed in stable....
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675[06:16:22] <BlackMage> how i can fix a dpkg multiple instances error?
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678[06:16:59] <missmbob> kill it
679[06:17:09] <missmbob> reboot if you're lazy
680[06:17:32] <missmbob> not that in either case you're messing with something very important that could fuck things up
681[06:17:41] <missmbob> note*
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684[06:18:50] <BlackMage> ?
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687[06:22:56] <BlackMage> it goes in my case around the package girl1.2-ibus-1.0:i386
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692[06:26:34] <BlackMage> dpkg-query: Error: --listfiles needs a valid package name. "girl1.2-ibus-1.0" is not such; Ambiguous package name "girl1.2-ibus-1.0" with more than one installed instance
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694[06:27:43] <BlackMage> when i try to configure gir1.2-ibus-1.0:i386
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700[06:31:05] <BlackMage> how can i fix this?
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702[06:32:27] <somiaj> I don't find any package in debian by that name.
703[06:34:10] <BlackMage> sry, the package names gir1.2-ibus-1.0:i386
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706[06:35:07] <somiaj> from my searches there is no package in debian by that name.
707[06:35:32] <missmbob> oh you typed it. that might mean the translation is improper, too. paste it the way it is
708[06:35:33] <somiaj> ahh, there it is
709[06:36:47] <somiaj> you can also see if dpkg -l | grep ^gir1.2-ibus-1.0 has multiple installs. Though if that is not a libary it may not be multiarch enabled
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711[06:37:08] <missmbob> i've honestly never seen that error before. that's why i'm guessing translation
712[06:37:34] <somiaj> yea it has Multi-Arch: same, so that could be it. But I agree, the actual output would be nice.
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718[06:42:17] <zurok> What does ^ in bash?
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721[06:43:11] <somiaj> zurok: more context? maybe give the whole command?
722[06:43:15] <BlackMage> replaced-url
723[06:43:40] <somiaj> BlackMage: output I requested as well.
724[06:44:15] <missmbob> zurok: it servers as quick substitution. for example: replace foo with foolio ^foo^foolio^
725[06:44:19] <missmbob> serves*
726[06:44:42] <zurok> Ah
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729[06:45:18] <missmbob> holy hell that's an old bug
730[06:45:22] <missmbob> #770265
731[06:45:32] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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737[06:49:49] <zurok> missmbob, somiaj: Thanks
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740[06:50:51] <BlackMage> wow, 2 years old ... Yes, bugs are fixed in Debian yes fast
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745[06:51:22] <BlackMage> :P
746[06:51:23] <missmbob> BlackMage: take out the multiarch element? by that i mean chroot
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750[06:52:19] <BlackMage> missmbob: ?
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752[06:52:40] <missmbob> create a chroot for the specified arch. so you wont have to deal with multiarch bugs
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759[06:54:13] <BlackMage> missmbob: how so? Are multiarch bugs never fixed?
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769[06:56:47] <missmbob> BlackMage: replaced-url
770[06:57:04] <missmbob> BlackMage: it's a pain in the ass.
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772[06:58:09] <BlackMage> missmbob: What do you mean by that?
773[06:59:11] <missmbob> it's probably not what you want to do, anyway, so nevermind
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782[07:06:07] <BlackMage> missmbob: And why has the bug never been fixed over the years?
783[07:06:58] <missmbob> BlackMage: karma? have you done something bad? :P i dont know, man. shit happens
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799[07:17:14] <random_numbers> Where should I go to report a bug?
800[07:17:43] <missmbob> !reportbug
801[07:17:43] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
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803[07:18:02] <random_numbers> missmbob: Thanks.
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865[07:49:39] <buu> hm
866[07:50:06] <buu> If I have a debian box that's named foo.bar.com, should /etc/hostname contain `foo` or `foo.bar.com` ?
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877[07:53:59] <preaction> buu: i'd use "foo", the debian guide seems to agree: replaced-url
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879[07:54:29] <buu> huh
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881[07:54:44] <buu> Where should I put the qualified hostname?
882[07:55:04] <preaction> the local dns server?
883[07:55:17] <buu> gasp
884[07:55:27] <preaction> like, the local domain/network's dns server, not like you should have a dns server on every host
885[07:55:42] <preaction> though i believe /etc/resolv.conf has a place for it
886[07:56:42] <buu> hrm
887[07:56:57] <buu> I'm now slightly more confused than I was
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890[07:58:33] <buu> Adding it to /etc/hosts as 127.0.1.1 seems to do what I want
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895[07:59:09] <preaction> oh, you want it to resolve as a FQDN? yeah, that
896[07:59:17] <buu> wel
897[07:59:28] <preaction> i mean, since setting up a dns server is really more trouble than it's worth
898[07:59:38] <buu> In this specific case I want saltstack to figure out the fqdn instead of the local name
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901[08:00:02] <preaction> ohh, that probably uses... or could use... reverse dns ;)
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903[08:00:06] <buu> preaction: I just set up the public dns server to resolve some hosts to 192.168.xx addresses
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905[08:00:30] <buu> like uh
906[08:00:33] <buu> routerlogin.com or whatever it is
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911[08:01:49] <preaction> nah, like 1.1.0.127.in-addr.arpa (dig -x 127.0.0.1). every ip.. well, a lot of ips have reverse lookups. which is also why my irc hostmask looks like "irc.preaction.me"
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915[08:02:19] <preaction> but /etc/hosts is probably the most economical solution, so go with that
916[08:02:38] <preaction> dns is annoying. moreso even than smtp. at least smtp can be secured... ish...
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922[08:04:41] <buu> Yeah I know
923[08:04:51] <buu> I rdns stuff I can
924[08:04:56] <buu> Stupid home isp
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958[08:20:01] <awal1> Absolutely 0 manual here for you guys too? replaced-url
959[08:20:24] <missmbob> awal1: no. it's working here.
960[08:20:52] <missmbob> awal1: i've tested a few and they all work
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962[08:21:21] <awal1> missmbob: opps, now it works. it may have been a temporal "something" issue.
963[08:21:23] <awal1> thanks
964[08:21:54] <awal1> was looking for zypper manual
965[08:22:24] <awal1> I wonder if it's comparable to apt/apt-get/aptitude, under debian
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985[08:35:00] <awal1> yast is a powerful system & pkg manager tool for Suse. Sadly, there is not an equivalent under debian.
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994[08:41:07] <awal1> for sure it will be there, who knows when :P replaced-url
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1078[09:34:14] <styler2go> Hey everyone. My debian does not recognize when i plug in an sdcard. Any idea why?
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1087[09:39:43] <rdz> styler2go, what i usually do in these cases is to watch the log while plugging the card in with "sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog"
1088[09:40:12] <rdz> it should give you some hint where it fails to detect the card or whether it even doesn't detect at all that a card was inserted
1089[09:40:13] <styler2go> rdz: It doesn't show any events, i already tried checking dmesg
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1094[09:41:32] <rdz> styler2go, is it specifically this card that isn't detected or any card inserted into that slot?
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1096[09:42:17] <styler2go> any card.. it's an onboard card reader
1097[09:42:27] <rdz> styler2go, in other words: is there some indication that the card reader works at all?
1098[09:42:37] <rdz> ah
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1105[09:46:53] <rdz> styler2go, don't know how to investigate properly, but maybe lsusb or lspci gives you some hint....
1106[09:47:11] <rdz> if it doesn't show there, it probably wasn't recognized...
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1109[09:47:38] <styler2go> But what could be the problem why it isn't recognized? Missing kernel module?
1110[09:47:42] <rdz> if it does show up there, it might help you troubleshoot by googling specifically for this model
1111[09:48:00] <rdz> styler2go, yes, maybe...
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1113[09:48:28] <rdz> for instance, lscpi shows me: "02:00.0 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd PCIe SDXC/MMC Host Controller (rev 07)"
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1115[09:49:41] <styler2go> i have an sd host controller (SDIO) but i think this is the wifi chip
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1123[09:51:14] <Daneel> hi
1124[09:51:26] <Daneel> i am trying cgroups
1125[09:51:33] <Daneel> i defined a cgroup
1126[09:51:42] <Daneel> but it does not look to be used
1127[09:51:50] <Daneel> i run the command via cgexec
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1132[09:52:52] <Daneel> when i do a sync then echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
1133[09:52:56] <Daneel> it works
1134[09:53:16] <Daneel> what is necessary to enable a cgroup ?
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1137[09:54:01] <Daneel> i am using debian jessie
1138[09:54:11] <netfunk> hi, kind of silly question but i was hoping to find some guidance in setting up a usb-drive with different os's installed on it (specifically various debian based distros and a win7)?
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1142[09:55:43] <netfunk> (silly part incoming) I would place an opsys on a particular partition, and it's corresponding swap-space on a seperate partition, no?
1143[09:56:07] <netfunk> & assign the proper flags to each partition?
1144[09:56:41] <Kiril> are you aware is it available a rbldnsd how-to (install and configure) using local dns server (bind, powerdns) or the current one from provider?
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1146[09:57:34] <bezaban> netfunk: for casual and non-critical use you could do without swap if the machines you use have an ok amount of ram
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1148[09:58:13] <bezaban> netfunk: this might be for on the go, but if it is for home you could also consider network (pxe) booting different operating systems
1149[09:58:26] <netfunk> bezaban, hmm...
1150[09:58:40] <netfunk> bezaban, yes, ram is no issue (16)
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1152[09:59:21] <netfunk> bezaban, also yes this would be for field usage
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1155[10:00:22] <netfunk> so, since portability is ideal, can i pxeboot from wan?
1156[10:00:27] <bezaban> netfunk: no
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1158[10:00:35] <netfunk> or wan->vpn->pxe
1159[10:00:38] <bezaban> nopåe
1160[10:00:43] <netfunk> okay so pxe is local-only?
1161[10:00:50] <bezaban> indeed
1162[10:00:55] <netfunk> makes sense
1163[10:00:56] <bezaban> it is old tech :)
1164[10:01:12] <bezaban> non wireless too, but I think there has been added something for that lately
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1166[10:01:58] <bezaban> netfunk: installing several OS side by side should be trivial, but the grub setup is where you might encounter some problems
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1168[10:02:08] <netfunk> is there a maximum number of partitions allowed?
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1170[10:02:22] <netfunk> yeah i read that last night
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1173[10:03:05] <netfunk> if they're all the same file system, i mean... i wouldn't understand why then
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1175[10:03:43] <bezaban> you need separate filesystems
1176[10:04:00] <netfunk> okay wait
1177[10:04:07] <bezaban> a filesystem exists within a partition
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1179[10:04:11] <netfunk> there's where i get fuzzy, is heirarchy
1180[10:04:20] <netfunk> *that is
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1182[10:05:07] <bezaban> you have max 4 primary partitions. likely a max limit for extended partitions, but higher than what you need
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1184[10:05:28] <bezaban> I am not up to date on newer partition schemes and wrt to booting from extended ones
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1187[10:05:45] <bezaban> been a while since I've messed with this kind of setup
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1196[10:07:03] <netfunk> i see.. and the operating system is installed to a partition or a volume?
1197[10:07:11] <bezaban> one of several partitions
1198[10:07:29] <netfunk> and inside the partition is the volume?
1199[10:07:39] <bezaban> but that is typically interchangable with volume
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1202[10:08:05] <bezaban> well it differs from a partition
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1205[10:08:49] <bezaban> you don't really need to worry about volumes. They are an os concept while partitions are a medium concept
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1207[10:09:13] <netfunk> okay good lol
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1211[10:11:15] <netfunk> can i #dd the .iso to the partition?
1212[10:11:27] <netfunk> or does #dd write the whole disk?
1213[10:11:40] <bezaban> depends on where you point it
1214[10:11:45] <bezaban> you can also use cp
1215[10:11:58] <bezaban> sizes have to match though
1216[10:12:20] <netfunk> match what?
1217[10:12:42] <bezaban> partition has to be >= iso file
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1222[10:14:17] <bezaban> this is not something I really do anymore (after the advent of desktop virtualization), so I'll not be able to help shortly :P
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1224[10:15:06] <bezaban> well. virtualization in general lets me have an install of whatever I want somewhere, be it desktop or dedicated hosts
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1227[10:15:52] <HJfFun> where i can find some inforation about "freeze" concerning distribution cycle-life ? --> cf : replaced-url
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1229[10:16:05] <HJfFun> information*
1230[10:16:13] <bezaban> there is some judd factiod. I'll see if I can find it
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1232[10:16:40] <netfunk> i see
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1234[10:17:17] <netfunk> me neither, as im sure you can tell. studying for ccnp exam
1235[10:17:29] <bezaban> HJfFun: replaced-url
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1238[10:18:16] <HJfFun> bezaban, ty
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1260[10:26:56] <dcpc007> hi, i setup user home on a share, but is it possible to keep a separate trace of history (.bash_history) by server ?
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1262[10:27:23] <dcpc007> goal : can look what i've done one "this" server
1263[10:27:54] <dcpc007> currently i have a common history with no identity for all term i use
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1270[10:29:51] <dcpc007> i see a trick like export HISTFILE="${HOME}/.bash_history.`hostname`", that create one file by server, but after, i don't see option like -f <file> on history command
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1273[10:31:01] <Daneel> on debian jessie i crated a cgroup, i run a command via cgexec but the cgroup does not looks to be used
1274[10:31:12] <Daneel> any suggest ?
1275[10:31:22] <Daneel> s/crated/created/
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1279[10:33:53] <Daneel> i created the cgroup with cgcreate
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1282[10:34:09] <Daneel> but i am reading that exist interface with cgroup via systemd
1283[10:34:16] <Daneel> what is the good method ?
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1291[10:37:55] <dcpc007> is tehre a method to add like a tag in history file and get history lines like : <date> <host> <command>
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1314[10:53:13] <petemc> dcpc007: yes, you can add timestamps to bash history, not sure about hostname, are you planning to merge shell history form multiple machines?
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1318[10:55:04] <dcpc007> petemc: timestamp already ok by default on each server. i switch from local users to ldap users with home on a share, but i don't want to have all command from all servers in a same file without any possibilty to search by server
1319[10:55:21] <dcpc007> and for admin we connect to many servers
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1321[10:56:00] <dcpc007> and i need to monitor sometimes users history (like some dev that make abusive chmod -R on folders ...)
1322[10:56:38] <petemc> connecting to a server usually means running a shell on the machine which will have its own history
1323[10:56:40] <dcpc007> and some common exploitation accounts
1324[10:57:02] <dcpc007> yes but by default it's ~/.bash-history, and home is in a share
1325[10:57:29] <petemc> ok
1326[10:57:43] <petemc> im not help with that, obviously
1327[10:57:52] <petemc> s/not/no/
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1329[10:58:07] <dcpc007> create a bash_hist file per server is easy, but read them seems not
1330[10:58:38] <dcpc007> in man history i don't see a flag to read a specific file to search
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1332[10:58:50] <dcpc007> like a sar -f /var/log/sa/sa10
1333[10:59:38] <petemc> HISTFILE
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1339[11:01:56] <penrod> greetings , I have to rename a few thousand files. they all have a tilde (~) at the end of the file name . ie. blahblah.doc~ I have the regex part figured out, I thought I could just do a "find . -iname \*.\*~ | rename.... and that would work, but it doesn't any ideas ?
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1343[11:03:26] <Brigo> penrod, try -exec {} (see find man page)
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1346[11:03:30] <dcpc007> petemc: yes but as i do the export HISTFILE=... i write in this file, even if it's not "my" file
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1349[11:03:58] <dcpc007> then i must export histfile, search, and export again quick HISTFILE to current
1350[11:04:03] <dcpc007> heavy
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1353[11:04:37] <Brigo> penrod, or even better use just rename, why do you need the find command?
1354[11:04:48] <Brigo> aren't they in the same directory?
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1356[11:05:29] <penrod> there are multiple directories,with up to to 10 layers
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1361[11:05:54] <penrod> I don't know how to make rename recursive
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1363[11:06:51] <dcpc007> penrod: maybe a find -exec rename
1364[11:07:05] <dcpc007> for each file ... but at least should work
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1366[11:07:19] <penrod> not familiar with -exec, but looking for the man page now
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1375[11:08:05] <dcpc007> example : find . -name '*.cfg' -exec cp {} /backup/ \;
1376[11:08:22] <dcpc007> the {} is replaced by each result of the find command
1377[11:08:33] <dcpc007> and remember to finish with \;
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1380[11:08:49] <penrod> and then pipe that into rename.........
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1382[11:08:52] <petemc> i prefer {} +
1383[11:09:20] <dcpc007> no -exec rename '<in>' '<out>' {} \;
1384[11:09:46] <dcpc007> (check order of rename parameter, maybe the file is before the paterns
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1389[11:12:25] <dcpc007> ha yes, \+ at the end is for execute by chunk and not for each result if i remember
1390[11:13:04] <dcpc007> ha or maybe look on xargs for your first command
1391[11:13:33] <penrod> I have used "rename 's/~$//' *.*" and that works for the current directory. I am struggling with doing the recursive part
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1395[11:14:04] <dcpc007> don't remember, long time i didn't use it, maybe a find xxxxxxx - print 0 |xargs rename 'in' 'out' ?
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1401[11:17:34] <dcpc007> replaced-url
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1426[11:27:00] <penrod> dcpc007: thanks looking into it
1427[11:27:35] <dcpc007> np
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1431[11:29:30] <urzds> Hi!
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1434[11:30:09] <urzds> How do I make reportbug send an already saved bugreport? I ran reportbug before, but had to exit it, because authentication with the smtp server did not work. Now I want to send the saved file without entering any information again.
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1446[11:34:29] <julius_> hi
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1448[11:35:36] <julius_> i can do: ping -c 1 62.226.147.xx but when i do: ssh -p 226 62.226.147.xx it says: ssh: connect to host 62.226.147.xx port 226: No route to host
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1450[11:35:58] <julius_> why can ping reach the host, but ssh gets a no route error=
1451[11:35:59] <julius_> ?
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1458[11:39:17] <bezaban> julius_: port 226 is not open on any host in 62.226.147.0/24
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1471[11:43:23] <netfunk> ssh is a different protocol
1472[11:43:36] <netfunk> packet filters drop
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1475[11:44:13] <netfunk> *drop requests originating from packets containing these corresponding headers
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1477[11:44:25] <netfunk> julius_, ^^^
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1481[11:44:40] <moondeck> hi
1482[11:44:48] <netfunk> hi moondeck
1483[11:44:57] <moondeck> so, i am a long time debian user
1484[11:45:04] <moondeck> well, 3 years now
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1486[11:45:08] <moondeck> "long"
1487[11:45:12] <moondeck> i love it
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1489[11:45:32] <netfunk> julius_, why is ur ssh looking to port 226?
1490[11:45:37] <moondeck> i am developing an OS myself, just for fun, and i wanna test it on real hardware, so for that i need PXE
1491[11:45:40] <netfunk> moondeck, welcome! im new here too
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1494[11:46:15] <moondeck> could anyone point me to some resources about setting up a DHCP server and network bridge on Debian
1495[11:46:16] <moondeck> ?
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1497[11:46:47] <netfunk> moondeck, cool! im ccna/ceh myself, def agree debian is solid
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1499[11:46:56] <petn-randall> moondeck: replaced-url
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1501[11:47:25] <petn-randall> moondeck: ^^^ this is free as in free software, and covers most administration tasks on Debian. I'm guessing both your tasks are covered in there, too.
1502[11:47:32] <netfunk> moondeck, vyos
1503[11:47:51] <netfunk> moondeck, replaced-url
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1506[11:48:15] <moondeck> netfunk: but i wanna use it on my main working machine
1507[11:48:22] <moondeck> so no way i can run something like that
1508[11:48:29] <netfunk> ^^alternative to petn-randalls advice, vyos is routing OS
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1510[11:48:54] <moondeck> but will consider it for my watchguard
1511[11:49:22] <netfunk> why not vm it?\
1512[11:49:34] <moondeck> because a vm simulates ideal hardware
1513[11:50:06] <moondeck> and i pretty much cannot write support for anything else than "QEMU generic network controller" or something like that
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1515[11:50:19] <moondeck> and on real hardware its just cooler
1516[11:50:28] <moondeck> i am already using QEMU
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1518[11:50:44] <netfunk> ah yes, you did mention your OS in dev lol
1519[11:51:09] <moondeck> basically, i need my computer to host a PXE boot thing
1520[11:51:10] <netfunk> misunderstood lol
1521[11:51:26] <moondeck> and then have a board (soekris net4501) boot off it
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1524[11:52:53] <bezaban> it's pretty straight forward, set an entry in dhcp server that points to a tftp server with syslinux/what you need.
1525[11:52:58] <moondeck> or maybe not PXE, but something like that
1526[11:53:03] <moondeck> can i use GRUB?
1527[11:53:10] <bezaban> yeah
1528[11:53:18] <netfunk> petn-randalls suggestion of reviewing replaced-url
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1531[11:54:00] <netfunk> ** petn's advice is good
1532[11:54:14] <moondeck> i know, i will check it out
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1540[11:57:10] <moondeck> BTW, you can see it here github.com/m00nd3ck/hydrogen
1541[11:57:21] <moondeck> it doesnt do quite anything yet, aside from running
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1544[11:58:27] <netfunk> is os dev as daunting as i imagine?
1545[11:58:41] <moondeck> depends
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1547[11:59:06] <moondeck> userspace programming is a *lot* easier
1548[11:59:15] <moondeck> because there is no hardware-specific strange stuff
1549[12:00:16] <netfunk> userspace as in applications you mean?
1550[12:00:22] <moondeck> yeah
1551[12:00:28] <netfunk> oh hell yea
1552[12:00:37] <moondeck> or even like linux kernel modules
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1554[12:01:17] <moondeck> its relatively high-level because you dont really deal with the hardware directly, not like addressing individual registers and stuff
1555[12:01:36] <moondeck> actually, depends on what you are writing
1556[12:01:38] <netfunk> my father was an assembly programmer for a large US utility before pcs/mac became household items, so i've heard my share lokl
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1559[12:01:52] <moondeck> lol
1560[12:02:06] <moondeck> actually, i shouldnt point you directly to the repo
1561[12:02:18] <moondeck> but to m00nd3ck.github.io/hydrogen
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1641[12:31:09] <golgoth> hi
1642[12:31:30] <moondeck> hi
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1644[12:31:37] <golgoth> i got a dmesg issue on wlan0
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1647[12:32:22] <golgoth> ieee80211 phy0: rt2x00queue_flush_queue: Warning - Queue 0 failed to flush
1648[12:32:22] <golgoth> [ 7902.040048] ieee80211 phy0: rt2x00queue_flush_queue: Warning - Queue 2 failed to flush
1649[12:32:22] <golgoth> [ 7902.200046] ieee80211 phy0: rt2x00queue_flush_queue: Warning - Queue 0 failed to flush
1650[12:32:22] <golgoth> [ 7906.798584] ieee80211 phy0: rt61pci_txdone: Warning - TX status report missed for entry 9
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1653[12:32:48] <moondeck> somebody didnt read the rules there
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1655[12:33:05] <moondeck> i dont see how thats an issue
1656[12:33:15] <moondeck> probably doesnt affect anything
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1664[12:38:04] <julius_> netfunk, why not? guess what happens when you choose a defaul port for a public ip
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1666[12:38:51] <julius_> netfunk, iptables...have to check
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1668[12:38:56] <julius_> thanks
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1678[12:42:57] <netfunk> wait huh lol
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1694[12:49:22] <KeBugCheck> Is there an equivalent in debian of the command "rpmbuild -bc --short-circuit SPECS/qemu-kvm.spec"? The aforementioned command basically just builds the code (without cleaning) and is very useful during code-compile-repeat cycle of software development. Thanks!
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1696[12:49:44] <petn-randall> KeBugCheck: dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -b
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1702[12:50:56] <KeBugCheck> brb trying it
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1711[12:55:49] <themill> KeBugCheck: add a -nc to that
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1716[12:57:54] <aruns> I am trying to implement ssl enabled site on aws hosted site using certbot nginx and Debian Wheezy, I have installed certbot certificates, configured nginx now final hurdle is when I am doing nmap its showing me 443 closed >> output here, replaced-url
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1720[12:59:38] <JyZyXEL> after $ apt-get source linux, do i need to copy the .config from /boot, or is it already pre-installed?
1721[13:00:28] <nkuttler> JyZyXEL: apt-get source doesn't install anything outside of ./
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1723[13:00:41] <JyZyXEL> no, i mean is the source already configured with the default debian .config?
1724[13:00:59] <JyZyXEL> because i need to change it
1725[13:01:07] <JyZyXEL> so where is the correct spot to change it?
1726[13:01:16] <JyZyXEL> before i rebuild the package
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1729[13:02:15] <nkuttler> well, the kernel src tree. not sure if a different config is packaged though
1730[13:02:35] <JyZyXEL> so how should i do it?
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1732[13:02:54] <nkuttler> just copy the file?
1733[13:03:01] <nkuttler> or run diff if you care to know
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1735[13:03:30] <JyZyXEL> but what if the build process generates the .config on the fly?
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1737[13:03:54] <JyZyXEL> if i modify the source tree with make menuconfig, my changes might not even apply to the package
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1739[13:04:36] <nkuttler> JyZyXEL: i don't see why that would happen
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1741[13:04:54] <JyZyXEL> apparently the build command is: fakeroot debian/rules binary
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1743[13:05:03] <nkuttler> sounds about right
1744[13:05:09] <JyZyXEL> its not the normal build command
1745[13:05:14] <JyZyXEL> that you use for normal packages
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1748[13:05:29] <nkuttler> JyZyXEL: um, it's what I've always used
1749[13:05:32] <nkuttler> for all packages
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1753[13:05:40] <JyZyXEL> usually you use 'dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us'
1754[13:05:46] * nkuttler shrugs
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1757[13:07:50] <KeBugCheck> dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -b -nc was quicker than normal build. But it seems to be building packages also...so maybe there is some optimization possible there. Anyway, thanks for your help <themill> and <petn-randall>
1758[13:08:03] <JyZyXEL> see!
1759[13:08:09] <JyZyXEL> that is the normal command to use
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1761[13:08:40] <nkuttler> JyZyXEL: it's just a wrapper that calls fakeroot/binary
1762[13:08:47] <JyZyXEL> oh :D
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1796[13:26:50] <gr8> hi, I am running debian stable which has libboost-dev 1.55, but I require 1.57. How can I get this newer version while using the package manager?
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1799[13:28:20] <pr0mark> Morning -- it's a bit quiet in the ubuntu room -- I'm trying to figure out whey when I am root on ubuntu 16.04.1 when I rund the find utility it still generates Permission Denied
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1801[13:29:14] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
1802[13:29:25] <ychaouche> anyone knows if there's a package for libreoffice with dbus support ?
1803[13:29:44] <Brigo> ,v libboost-dev
1804[13:29:45] <judd> Package: libboost-dev on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.49.0.1; jessie: 1.55.0.2; stretch: 1.62.0.1; sid: 1.62.0.1
1805[13:30:11] <Brigo> gr8, there is not backports of that librery, you should backport it yourself
1806[13:30:36] <Brigo> ,checkbackport libboost-dev
1807[13:30:37] <judd> Backporting package libboost-dev in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libboost1.62-dev (>= 1.62.0).
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1809[13:30:56] <Brigo> gr8, and it turns out you can't. :-/
1810[13:31:10] <gr8> I have no idea of developing, I just need that as a dependency for compiling a program :-/
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1814[13:32:33] <Brigo> gr8, i am not a developer either, clueless here too, sorry.
1815[13:32:39] <bezaban> gr8: you can get a source package of libboost-dev and compile it in your home directory (wihout installing it) and then compile other stuff against that, but no guarantees that you won't encounter other dependencies
1816[13:33:08] <Brigo> l ,checkbackport ibboost1.62-dev
1817[13:33:11] <Brigo> l ,checkbackport libboost1.62-dev
1818[13:33:18] <Brigo> ,checkbackport libboost1.62-dev
1819[13:33:20] <judd> Backporting package libboost1.62-dev in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libicu-dev (>= 57), g++ (>= 4:5-0), g++-6.
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1823[13:35:03] <gr8> uhm dev told me 1.55 might work as well so I'm just trying that
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1883[14:01:26] <DexterF_> hi
1884[14:01:57] <DexterF_> when I install wicd, does that override /etc/network/interfaces+wpa_supplicant by itself?
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1928[14:28:51] <m_robot> Hello
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1953[14:39:51] <\\Mr_C\\> i have this for sale replaced-url
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1962[14:43:22] <petn-randall> Hi \\Mr_C\\, this is a Debian support channel, offering products/services for sale are offtopic here.
1963[14:43:35] <\\Mr_C\\> very well
1964[14:44:29] <TriMoon> Don't you think he knows that? it's just a spammer.... /ignore till ip blocked :)
1965[14:44:43] <\\Mr_C\\> im not a spammer
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1967[14:44:53] <\\Mr_C\\> ive been running debian for years
1968[14:44:58] <\\Mr_C\\> probably before you were born
1969[14:45:04] <petn-randall> TriMoon: No idea, I haven't seen them talk on any other channel.
1970[14:45:19] <\\Mr_C\\> i am 46
1971[14:45:22] <TriMoon> welcome to irc lols
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1973[14:45:32] <petn-randall> \\Mr_C\\: That is interesting, but still offtopic.
1974[14:45:33] <petn-randall> !ot
1975[14:45:33] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
1976[14:45:34] <\\Mr_C\\> uhh, ive been on irc since 1994
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1980[14:46:58] <Shadur> \\Mr_C\\: And we *don't care*. This is still not a channel to offer items or services for sale in.
1981[14:47:06] <\\Mr_C\\> i said very well
1982[14:47:07] <\\Mr_C\\> sorry
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1986[14:49:28] <teraflops> yeah but you guys are extending the conversation with no reason. and it's Trimdon's fault sine petn-randall already ended it
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1989[14:50:17] <\\Mr_C\\> hehe
1990[14:50:22] <\\Mr_C\\> tereflops
1991[14:50:28] <\\Mr_C\\> teraflops
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1993[14:50:33] <\\Mr_C\\> made me giggle
1994[14:50:46] <petn-randall> \\Mr_C\\: Do you have a Debian support question?
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1996[14:51:03] <\\Mr_C\\> actually i do
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1998[14:51:11] <petn-randall> !ask
1999[14:51:11] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
2000[14:51:20] <\\Mr_C\\> will debian run on a wyse vx0?
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2002[14:51:34] <jelly> which architecture is that
2003[14:51:42] <\\Mr_C\\> not sure
2004[14:51:53] <\\Mr_C\\> they have windows ce on it now
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2006[14:52:01] <\\Mr_C\\> or some crap
2007[14:52:04] <\\Mr_C\\> looks like xp
2008[14:52:20] <\\Mr_C\\> embedded
2009[14:52:39] <jelly> you'd have to figure out which hardware is inside and how it boots
2010[14:53:04] <\\Mr_C\\> its like all chips, doesnt even have a hard drive in it
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2012[14:54:24] <\\Mr_C\\> i guess they are used for terminals
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2014[14:54:54] <\\Mr_C\\> i tried to boot a debian usb stick
2015[14:55:02] <\\Mr_C\\> cant get it to work
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2017[14:55:18] <\\Mr_C\\> wyse vx0 if that helps any
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2019[14:56:24] <jelly> again, you'll have to figure out which hardware is inside, is it intel, mips, arm, which CPU/SoC and how it boots
2020[14:56:34] <\\Mr_C\\> okay
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2022[14:57:04] <jelly> only then can you try to figure out how to boot it from network or external media
2023[14:57:39] <jelly> figure out the specifications first, if it has less than 512MB RAM it's probably not worth your time
2024[14:57:56] <\\Mr_C\\> it does boot the usb with the network install debian, but it doesnt find the network
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2027[14:58:44] <Shadur> Okay, so at least you have the right architecture. You can check a console with alt-F2 and run dmesg to see if it found/recognized any network hardware
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2029[14:59:22] <\\Mr_C\\> hmm
2030[14:59:25] <\\Mr_C\\> very well
2031[14:59:28] <betandr> "its like all chips" is my favourite thing of the day :)
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2043[15:05:11] <coincoin169> Hi, is it possible to have several CUPS server in my client.conf and to see all the printers of all the CUPS servers?
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2065[15:09:50] <Howdy> Guys does the latest version of Debian 8.6 get a newer version of hypervisior like 4.6?
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2078[15:12:56] <petn-randall> Howdy: Of which hypervisor? Usually a stable version only get's bugfixes, no new features/versions introduced.
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2090[15:15:16] <zooph> woops - why's #debian-next invite-only?.. o.O
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2094[15:16:38] <mingdao> zooph: /msg dpkg debian-next
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2099[15:18:19] <zooph> mingdao: thx :-)
2100[15:18:34] <mado> Hello everyone. Can anyone of you maybe help me with a LibreOffice issue as well?
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2103[15:19:10] <mado> Or can one only ask questions regarding Debian?
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2109[15:20:47] <mado> My dad seems to often get some error message when updating the main and only table so far in his Base file.
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2111[15:21:24] <petn-randall> mado: Which OS release are you running?
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2113[15:21:26] <zooph> mado: if it's a problem that's not Debian's fault you should surely at least get your answer more easily in the libreoffice channel...
2114[15:21:28] <mado> saying something about an input/output error in /path/to/file in statement UPDATE ...
2115[15:21:51] <mado> petn-randall: my dad's computer is running Debian 8.6
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2117[15:22:06] <petn-randall> mado: Do you have access to it right now?
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2119[15:22:38] <mado> i'm sitting in front of it, petn-randall :)
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2124[15:23:15] <petn-randall> mado: Very good! Can you paste the complete errors you get to replaced-url
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2126[15:23:56] <mado> I will try, unfortunately the error message doesn't really say much, even when you click this "more info" button ... but okay
2127[15:24:11] <mado> any prefered expiration petn-randall ?
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2136[15:25:52] <petn-randall> mado: Not really, as long as it's long enough for us to see. :)
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2145[15:26:48] <jelly> !stretch pool 1
2146[15:26:48] <dpkg> ! bæbīlen=2017-05-06 TomTomTosch=2017-08-08 greycat=2017-08-15 jellÿ=2017-03-17 themíll=2017-05-01
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2148[15:28:32] <Howdy> petn-randall: HI Petn, I am running 4.4 now
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2151[15:29:11] <Howdy> xen_version : 4.4.1
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2153[15:29:22] <Howdy> on Debian
2154[15:29:30] <Howdy> jessie
2155[15:29:34] <Howdy> hmm just 8
2156[15:29:51] <mado> alright petn-randall -> replaced-url
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2167[15:33:42] <petn-randall> Howdy: That is the current one, and there won't be any newer version in jessie. At some point in the future there might be a newer one in jessie-backports, though.
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2170[15:34:39] <mado> Could you see the message, petn-randall ?
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2176[15:36:22] <xieyun> ...
2177[15:36:31] <petn-randall> mado: Is that file writeable by your user?
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2180[15:36:43] <mado> yes it is
2181[15:36:44] <petn-randall> mado: Does that bug happen every time you save, or just sometimes?
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2185[15:37:24] <mado> well it seems to happen randomly every once in a while ... how frequent i can't say but often enough so it's frustrating
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2191[15:39:46] <mado> i can tell you additionally that yesterday he had the same problem ... before that it worked for a little while and i think but i can be wrong - the last time before that was, some weeks ago i think
2192[15:40:00] <mado> it's really irritating petn-randall
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2194[15:41:09] <petn-randall> mado: "/path/to/file.odb.log" is a log file, I presume? Maybe there is more information about the problem.
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2196[15:41:19] <_boreeas_> Hi, I'm having troubles with vmdebootstrap. I want a setup where either / or /home is an XFS, however with --roottype=xfs, the partition gets corrupted, and there appears to be no option to reserve space so I can create an XFS partition for /home via a customization script
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2200[15:41:32] <mado> well it's not always in .log petn-randall ... sometimes it is in .odb itself too
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2202[15:42:01] <_boreeas_> I also tried grml-debootstrap, but grml-debootstrap seems to have no option for a separate /boot partition, and grub refuses to boot from XFS
2203[15:42:06] <_boreeas_> Any ideas?
2204[15:42:30] <mado> sorry forgot your name there, petn-randall -> well it's not always in .log petn-randall ... sometimes it is in .odb itself too
2205[15:42:38] <Howdy> petn-randall: Thanks, hey can you recommend a good book for a newbie Linux user
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2208[15:43:18] <petn-randall> !debian handbook
2209[15:43:18] <dpkg> The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at replaced-url
2210[15:43:23] <petn-randall> Howdy: ^^^
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2213[15:44:19] <mado> also ... guess what, petn-randall ... there is no log file at said path
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2233[15:49:54] <petn-randall> mado: What was the exact full path in the error message?
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2236[15:50:47] <mado> petn-randall: -> /media/reini/lager/Bücheruebersicht <-
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2239[15:51:19] <mado> but i can tell you ... even when he has full access and all that to the file ... he does get this kind of error
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2242[15:51:39] <mado> just saying this in case you were thinking of that, petn-randall
2243[15:51:42] <petn-randall> mado: And there is nothing else accessing that file at the same time?
2244[15:52:11] <mado> petn-randall: i can't think of anything ... what else would access his database file?
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2248[15:53:00] <contrapunctus> o/
2249[15:53:09] <petn-randall> mado: Maybe if you have that on a shared folder, and you're accessing it from another machine.
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2252[15:53:43] <mado> well it's not shared with anyone ... even when the file is in his home folder he faces this kind of problem
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2254[15:53:59] <mado> it's just on another partition and sometimes on a usb pen drive
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2256[15:54:22] <mado> plus ... he had the same problems on a Windows computer as well, petn-randall
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2264[15:59:09] <mado> if you or someone else can think of anything else ... it'd be greatly appreciated ... i'm afraid i have to leave for a short while now --- what i find weird is that i just crashed LibreOffice via xkill ... because it didn't even close any more ... the problem is gone, for now ... but very soon will return, i'm sure
2265[15:59:11] <contrapunctus> I'm live booting Debian on a Dell Vostro 3558. The trackpad just doesn't work (it's only by plugging in a wireless mouse that I'm able to do anything). How may I fix this?
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2268[15:59:55] <mado> catch you all later, i hope :) ... thanks for your suggestions though petn-randall : )
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2270[16:00:04] <petn-randall> mado: you're welcome, see you later
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2278[16:02:22] <esp__> contrapunctus, you are booting official non free live version?
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2282[16:02:53] <esp__> replaced-url
2283[16:02:59] <JethroTux> is there a way to get flash working on cheomium? pepperflash seems deprecated so I tried copying libpepflashplayer.so under/usr/lib/chromium/plugins/ but it's still not working.
2284[16:03:06] <esp__> try this one contrapunctus
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2288[16:03:48] <centrx> JethroTux: Why do you say "pepperflash seems deprecated"?
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2290[16:04:21] <Howdy> petn-randall: Thank You!
2291[16:04:34] * esp__ living already happily 3 years without flashplayer :)
2292[16:05:09] <JethroTux> centrx, Google stopped shipping Flash since Chrome 54 for Linux.
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2295[16:05:42] <esp__> who still needs flash nowadays?
2296[16:05:55] <centrx> JethroTux: Sure, but that's because Flash itself is deprecated
2297[16:06:31] <centrx> JethroTux: (in reality, outside of Adobe)
2298[16:06:42] <centrx> JethroTux: the pepperflash plugin was last updated in August, not that old
2299[16:06:45] <jelly> JethroTux: but they still automagically download it from some place, just put it into ~/.config/google-chrome/ instead of /opt/google-chrome/
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2301[16:06:58] <contrapunctus> esp__: I got mine here - replaced-url
2302[16:07:28] <esp__> try the non free version contrapunctus
2303[16:07:34] <jelly> -rw-r--r-- 1 jelly jelly 18789664 Nov 9 00:41 .config/google-chrome/PepperFlash/23.0.0.207/libpepflashplayer.so
2304[16:07:35] <contrapunctus> and +1 for flash-free living.
2305[16:07:48] <esp__> it probably needs proprietary kernel blob
2306[16:07:57] <contrapunctus> esp__: :(
2307[16:08:02] <jelly> centrx: if yours is from August, you need an update
2308[16:08:20] <contrapunctus> (I'm on it)
2309[16:08:23] <centrx> jelly: I'm looking at the package changelog for sid, I don't use it. I assume it downloads updated ones
2310[16:08:25] <esp__> replaced-url
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2312[16:08:56] <contrapunctus> esp__: if it does, there's no way to use a libre alternative?
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2317[16:09:31] <JethroTux> jelly, i tried putting it inside libpepflashplayer.so restarted chromium but it's still not working. Cant find the proper directory
2318[16:09:34] <esp__> contrapunctus, I am right now using live usb version as well, I only use the non free version to avoid such issues
2319[16:09:49] <jelly> JethroTux: 64bit chromium, right?
2320[16:09:54] <JethroTux> i mean $HOME/.config/chromium/
2321[16:09:59] <JethroTux> yep
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2323[16:10:10] <esp__> free is nice, but sometimes we need a minor compromise ;)
2324[16:10:39] <JethroTux> under the plugins page theres pdf viewer only
2325[16:10:52] <contrapunctus> sad, I figured a machine with preinstalled Linux would not need nonfree drivers
2326[16:11:16] <JethroTux> jelly, also tried under /usr/lib/chromium/plugins/
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2330[16:12:33] <jhutchins> JethroTux: Are you running 64b?
2331[16:12:46] <JethroTux> jhutchins, yes
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2334[16:13:29] <esp__> if majority of consumers would buy intelligently their computers, manufacturers would care... reality is that probably not even 1% of the global market cares about free hardware components
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2337[16:13:54] <JethroTux> file is "libpepflashplayer.so", maybe needs to be renamed?
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2342[16:14:23] <contrapunctus> esp__: how does system76 fare in this regard?
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2346[16:15:29] <jelly> JethroTux: how did you download it? My Chrome has this: replaced-url
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2348[16:16:09] <jelly> JethroTux: I assume your browser ought to have something similar under .config/chromium/PepperFlash
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2350[16:16:31] <esp__> contrapunctus, no idea, i am loyal to the Thinkpad series until now... although these perfectly work with linux, non free is required as well to have network adapters supported
2351[16:16:52] <JethroTux> jelly, I downloaded the latest flash release tarball, I do not have that directory actually.
2352[16:17:22] <esp__> but it pisses me off I have to buy each Thinkpad with a microsoft windows preinstalled
2353[16:18:06] <n4dir> contrapunctus: i'd rather assume that a trackpad needs a newer kernel than non-free drivers.
2354[16:18:07] <contrapunctus> same issue with my toshiba, AFAIK
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2356[16:18:24] <contrapunctus> n4dir: that'd be nice
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2358[16:18:41] <n4dir> well: just shooting in the dark, what i would assume.
2359[16:18:45] <wodim> in bash, "i=1 j=2 echo $i $j" -- why doesn't this also show the contents of $j ?
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2361[16:19:03] <contrapunctus> esp__: wasn't one able to get a refund for that?
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2363[16:19:31] <TriMoon> only way to get rid of M$ preinstalled on any hardware is to just NOT buy those hardwares.... Its YOUR choice as consumer to FORCE the market....
2364[16:19:54] <jelly> wodim: because $i and $j are expanded before the line is run
2365[16:20:00] <esp__> in Belgium there is sadly no choice TriMoon
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2367[16:20:18] <esp__> I still do not understand why EU didnt regulate this yet
2368[16:20:43] <wodim> jelly, I don't understand why $i but not $j
2369[16:20:49] <TriMoon> wodim, use printf instead of echo and put them inside quotes?
2370[16:20:51] <centrx> EU is dying
2371[16:21:10] <contrapunctus> everyone is dying.
2372[16:21:13] <jelly> wodim: you already have $i set from before, probably
2373[16:21:20] <jelly> wodim: a=2 b=3 eval 'echo $a $b'
2374[16:21:22] <wodim> jelly, oh
2375[16:21:35] <wodim> fine I'll try that, thanks
2376[16:21:49] <Howdy> Guys when can we buy Oled HDR 5k computer monitor ?
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2378[16:21:53] <jelly> or just a=2; b=3; do stuff with $a and $b
2379[16:21:55] <Howdy> I want to buy myself a gift
2380[16:22:18] <jelly> Howdy: sadly, that's not a debian tech support question
2381[16:22:29] <Howdy> oh sorry
2382[16:22:41] <Howdy> can;
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2384[16:22:49] <Howdy> can't forget freesync
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2387[16:24:04] <TriMoon> just FYI Howdy, nowerdays you can as easily use any monitor as computer monitor. the diff has gone away since tech evolved :)
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2390[16:24:44] <Howdy> lol i guess
2391[16:24:49] <centrx> even your phone is a computer
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2393[16:25:01] <TriMoon> anyway back to topic..
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2397[16:26:14] <dirtyaugust> guys is it possible to add ubuntu ppa on debian ? im trying to install mesa from padoka ppa
2398[16:26:44] <boxrick1> In the preseed file, how does pre-pending d-i to everything compare to not?
2399[16:26:48] <n4dir> there we go again ....
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2401[16:27:27] <jhutchins> dirtyaugust: Possible, but not a good idea. Mixing releases results in reinstalling.
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2403[16:27:35] <TriMoon> dirtyaugust, you should not combine softare from different distributions even though the file is recognized
2404[16:27:37] <esp__> !ubuntu
2405[16:27:37] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
2406[16:28:38] <dirtyaugust> alright thanks
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2410[16:29:34] <deebluv> hi, does debian support SDR systems connected to the sound card?
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2416[16:31:06] <petn-randall> Howdy: You're welcome!
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2423[16:33:15] <jhutchins> dirtyaugust: It's better to backport or build your own Debian package. /msg dpkg ssb
2424[16:33:48] <boxrick1> In a pre-seed file how does the d-i component work, since in some pre-seed commands it doesn't appear to exist?
2425[16:33:51] <jelly> except mesa is a bit complex
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2430[16:36:20] <deebluv> hi, does debian support SDR systems connected to the sound card?or they just registers itself with the system as a sound card?
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2434[16:39:03] <centrx> deebluv: I don't know anything about it, but there is a "gqrx-sdr" package for the Gqrx SDR. Gqrx SDR was the first result when I searched for [debian software-defined radio]
2435[16:39:45] <jhutchins> esp__: Dell sells laptops with Linux pre-installed, and there are companies that sell only linux laptops.
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2445[16:41:12] <sshine> hi. I'd like to see the 'mosml' compiler gets added back to the debian/ubuntu source trees. I'm not a package maintainer. I've read up on becoming one, and it seems like a lot of work for someone who isn't socially active in the debian/ubuntu communities. would you agree?
2446[16:41:19] <sshine> s/source/package/
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2450[16:42:50] <sshine> I'll try and contact the package maintainer for the 'smlnj' compiler and ask him if I could work through him.
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2452[16:43:11] <centrx> sshine: That is a good way to go, get a sponsor, help the sponsor
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2455[16:43:35] <centrx> sshine: eventually become a "Debian Maintainer"
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2462[16:47:20] <sshine> centrx, great. I sent an email.
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2464[16:47:59] <sshine> centrx, and am I right to assume that if a package is already in Debian, getting it into Ubuntu is quite easier?
2465[16:48:33] <centrx> sshine: I'm not really familiar with that, but I would say definitely
2466[16:48:40] <centrx> sshine: It might even be automatic for getting it into universe
2467[16:49:31] <sshine> centrx, I'll worry about that later. the university doesn't currently use this compiler in teaching anyway, so there's no rush.
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2470[16:49:53] <sshine> centrx, thanks, and have a great day. :-)
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2482[16:54:12] <Kiril> are you aware is it available a rbldnsd how-to (install and configure) using local dns server (bind, powerdns) or the current one from provider?
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2491[17:00:59] <Dracunos> Anyone familiar with lil debian and debian kit
2492[17:01:28] <HJfFun> does debian netinstall have elinks or lynx by default ?
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2496[17:02:26] <petn-randall> HJfFun: I assume it has neither, since they're both not needed for installation.
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2498[17:02:34] <cavaughan> HJfFun: I would doubt it, as I always have to install those soon after installing Debian
2499[17:02:47] <petn-randall> HJfFun: the debian installer is quite limited regarding tools it has on the disk to use.
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2501[17:03:27] <zykotick9> HJfFun: <sidenote> an actual install, will typically come with the w3m text browser...
2502[17:04:05] <HJfFun> so I can' use a netinstall.iso behind a hotspot
2503[17:04:11] <HJfFun> can't*
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2505[17:04:18] <Dracunos> I guess one install is chroot and the other is not.. I'm also unsure if kit has x, I don't think lildebian does
2506[17:04:37] <Dracunos> And I don't know what chroot is
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2508[17:04:44] <petn-randall> HJfFun: You mean the one's where you have to agree to some ToS before you can use the uplink?
2509[17:04:56] <petn-randall> s/'//
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2511[17:05:15] <c-c> HJfFun: you can, if you add the packages into it replaced-url
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2514[17:05:47] <deebluv> centrx: ah,ok.thanx a lot
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2517[17:06:15] <HJfFun> petn-randall, yes that's it
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2520[17:06:38] <common_user> anyone dug a bit deeper in fluxion?
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2525[17:07:51] <HJfFun> ok zyclonicz i will try with w3m
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2528[17:08:51] <petn-randall> HJfFun: I would just recommend to avoid those at all costs.
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2531[17:11:24] <HJfFun> petn-randall, ok. I will follow your recommandations
2532[17:11:29] <HJfFun> thx all
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2551[17:17:59] <petn-randall> HJfFun: If you have the possibility, I'd use a Ethernet cable during installation, to maximize bandwidth/reliability until all things from the base system are installed. Some wifi cards for example are a little buggy without newer firmware, and you usually install that after the initial installation.
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2554[17:19:08] <HJfFun> petn-randall, Followed
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2594[17:37:48] <emx> I got the following setup: I have a raid1. On that I got LUKS and on that I got LVM. The problem I got with that setup is that at boot time, raid1 is not assembled causing 3 services (md, LUKS and LVM) to wait (fore each other?).
2595[17:37:50] <emx> Is there a fix?
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2608[17:44:13] <cavaughan> emx: have you looked at this: replaced-url
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2638[17:54:51] <jelly> emx: make sure your md raid1 needed for / mountpoint is present in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, "dpkg-reconfigure mdadm" and tell the package to bring it up early in initramfs, if that doesn't rebuild initramfs do it yourself
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2643[17:56:53] <julius> hi
2644[17:57:34] <jelly> hello
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2647[17:58:00] <julius> i got: /etc/rsyslog.d/00-my_iptables.conf with the content: :msg,contains,"[netfilter] " -/var/log/iptables.log after restarting rsyslogd i can see hits on my rule: iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -j LOG --log-prefix="[netfilter]" in iptables -L -v -n, but the logfile isnt created
2648[17:58:20] <emx> jelly, I read bout that. The problem: root FS is not on a raid.
2649[17:59:03] <jelly> emx: it can still be a valid workaround to bring a md array first, before other stuff
2650[17:59:24] <jelly> bring a md array online* first
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2653[17:59:54] <jelly> emx: this is debian 8? systemd?
2654[17:59:55] <zyclonicz> Debian is not free software.
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2656[18:00:36] <jelly> zyclonicz: try #debian-offtopic, this is a tech support channel
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2668[18:05:02] <emx> jelly, raspbian to be precise, based on jessie.
2669[18:05:09] <emx> I assume it is systemd
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2674[18:05:53] <jelly> emx: you'll have to ask in #raspbian then, there may be differences in the boot process that we know nothing about
2675[18:06:20] <emx> jelly, First I tried there, but no answer -.-
2676[18:06:28] <jelly> be patient
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2680[18:10:39] <jelly> or send me an r.pi3 and I'll join #raspbian and try to reproduce your issue ;-)
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2690[18:17:20] <at0m> emx: long time ago you asked there?
2691[18:17:45] <emx> at0m, yesterday. I just noticed that the channel is a bit active right now.
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2693[18:18:03] <jelly> emx: I guess you may be allowed to repeat once a day!
2694[18:18:33] <at0m> emx: the main dev is talking now..
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2699[18:19:34] <emx> okok :)
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2701[18:20:00] <emx> I missed the reply of cavaughan. Let's see if got something wrong with that.
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2715[18:24:22] <sappel> evening, I'm currently trying to establish 2 virual tunnel interfaces to an external partner. the primary works fine, but the second doesn't. the 2nd is only backup route. now the external guy things it's my fault, I think it is his...any chance to solve this? I'm using debian with strongswan behind a pfsense firewall to connect to cisco devices at the external part. with tcpdump I was able to verify udp ncapsulated taffic to the external ip
2716[18:24:22] <sappel> of both, 1st and 2nd interface. but the 2nd never get's a reply besides keep alives. the 1st gets a reply for every packet sent, e.g. ping
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2722[18:25:49] <petn-randall> sappel: Sounds like it works as expected, but there is a routing problem. Can you check if the reply packet goes through the 1st interface?
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2725[18:27:53] <sappel> I used tcpdump ith src (with WAN IP of the 2nd external site)...no answers
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2727[18:28:40] <sappel> I should have been able to grab it using this, right?
2728[18:29:05] <petn-randall> sappel: I'm assuming you send a packet through the 2nd interface, but you get a reply back on the 1st. So you need to run two instances of tcpdump.
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2736[18:32:02] <petn-randall> sappel: Unless you have lots of traffic inside the tunnels, I wouldn't limit anything (yet).
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2738[18:33:51] <jelly> sappel: are you mutihosted or have a single public ip?
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2742[18:35:02] <sappel> my site is single wan
2743[18:35:14] <sappel> what I just did:
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2746[18:36:41] <sappel> tcpdump on vti0 and another one on vti1; ping IP on other site of 1st vti; send and receive works in tcpdump vti0; vti1 dump was empty
2747[18:37:38] <sappel> ping IP on site vti1, I only see leaving packets, but no replies. not on vti0 or vti1
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2749[18:38:12] <sappel> I'll check my firewall as well, brb
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2755[18:41:28] <sappel> I cant see any packets being replied in my fw either
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2759[18:43:13] <petn-randall> sappel: If your tunnels terminate on your local machine, the fw shouldn't be an issue. You will still see packets with tcpdump even if they are filtered.
2760[18:43:21] <jelly> if you do tcpdump on the physical iface, do you see return traffic when you try using the second tunnel
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2763[18:43:48] <petn-randall> sappel: I'd test it with the 1st down and only the 2nd up. If you don't see any change, I'd pass the packet dumps to their admin as proof that it doesn't work.
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2770[18:46:19] <sappel> the other site thinks my fw might be the problem. but even there 'I see send+receive with correct src+dst (wan ips) udp encapsulated when using first iface vti0, but only send packets when using vti1
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2774[18:47:03] <jelly> and you can't run tcpdump or other sniffer on your pfsense machine?
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2777[18:47:43] <sappel> I do! thats why I only see udp packets
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2779[18:48:12] <sappel> the other site thinks my fw might be the problem. but even there 'I see send+receive with correct src+dst (wan ips) udp encapsulated when using first iface vti0, but only send packets when using vti1 <-- that was on the pfsense!
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2788[18:51:27] <jelly> ah
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2790[18:52:06] <jelly> the lan side or the wan side of pfsense? :-)
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2792[18:52:30] <sappel> wan
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2807[19:00:55] <sappel> anyways, thanks jelly and petn-randall
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2856[19:21:34] <DrBunsen> Hello, how do I check what dismounted or mounted? Because I randomly hear the sound of something being dismounted but I did not remove a thing.
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2859[19:21:52] <greycat> "df" or "mount" if you mean file systems
2860[19:22:06] <preaction> DrBunsen: check dmesg or /var/log/messages perhaps
2861[19:22:17] <greycat> I don't know what you mean by "hear the sound". Like, a physical sound? Something on your desk falls over and goes "clunk"?
2862[19:22:58] <DrBunsen> greycat: the sound of the DM saying "clunk"
2863[19:22:59] <greycat> Or is this another one of those godawful Desktop Environment things....
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2865[19:23:26] <greycat> So your DE makes a noise when a file system is dis-automounted due to inactivity or something?
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2867[19:24:07] <DrBunsen> it makes a sound whenever a device is being removed
2868[19:24:29] <DrBunsen> preaction: I checked dmesg, I assume the first numbers are stating a boot number?
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2870[19:24:34] <croddy> tape robot saying "i'll unmount it. if you insist. it'll end in tears."
2871[19:24:50] <preaction> DrBunsen: the first lines in there are the machine booting up, likely, yes
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2875[19:25:11] <DrBunsen> what is the gnu pastebin link again?
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2878[19:25:28] <greycat> The #debian preferred paste site is replaced-url
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2880[19:25:53] <DrBunsen> thanks
2881[19:26:01] <DrBunsen> this is what I am seeing with dmesg: replaced-url
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2883[19:26:17] <DrBunsen> so I should be buying another HDD?
2884[19:26:42] <greycat> Gah, the fucking https...
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2886[19:26:57] * greycat removes the s so he can open it...
2887[19:26:58] <preaction> what? no
2888[19:27:08] <DrBunsen> replaced-url
2889[19:27:23] <greycat> what? yes. Try it in elinks. In debian.
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2891[19:27:36] <greycat> It barfs on replaced-url
2892[19:27:46] <preaction> wasn't talking about the https stuff. i use safari and get a stupid popup every single time
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2894[19:27:56] <preaction> i was talking about "so i should buy another hd"
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2896[19:28:29] <preaction> DrBunsen: if you want to know if the drive thinks it is failing, you can use smartmontools
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2899[19:29:07] <jelly> DrBunsen: what's there in dmesg (or /var/log/kern.log if dmesg output doesn't go that far) before those start to happen?
2900[19:29:37] <DrBunsen> preaction: yeah, I will checek the smart values
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2905[19:30:39] <DrBunsen> jelly: the same message replaced-url
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2908[19:31:25] <n-st> hi, can i use space on a remote system as a virtual block device via ssh?
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2910[19:32:12] <greycat> No. You can mount a remote directory as a local file system using sshfs which runs over sftp, but it does not mimic a block device.
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2913[19:32:26] <n-st> (long story short, my btrfs had a fit again and i need a few extra gigabytes to run a balance)
2914[19:32:40] <greycat> Buy a USB thumb drive and plug it in?
2915[19:32:51] <jelly> n-st: if you have tcp connectivity, you can use nbd as a block device
2916[19:32:52] <n-st> greycat: it's a vps
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2919[19:33:11] <jelly> (an ssh port forward is tcp connectivity)
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2922[19:34:14] <jelly> so TECHNICALLY setting up an xnbd-server or nbd-server remote, tunneling the access over ssh, and setting up a nbd client locally would qualify as "<n-st> hi, can i use space on a remote system as a virtual block device via ssh?"
2923[19:35:20] <n-st> jelly: sounds just like what i need. only problem: my rootfs is ENOSPC, can't install anything :/
2924[19:35:20] <jelly> it's a matter of opinion on how sane that setup may be. I do something similar over udp-based vpn tunnel for crypto, not ssh
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2928[19:35:55] <qqx> n-st: Even if you could install things, I doubt that the performance of that would be at all usable.
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2932[19:36:27] <ahi2> any vmware users in here?
2933[19:36:34] <greycat> !poll
2934[19:36:35] <dpkg> "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
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2937[19:37:33] <jelly> qqx: one of my md raid1 members is 3-6ms and half a dozen hops away. It's... usable enough.
2938[19:37:46] <n-st> jelly: who cares about sanity. on that same vps, i once had to pipe an archive through netcat to a remote system, gunzip it there, pipe it back and untar it afterwards
2939[19:37:59] <jelly> n-st: just once!
2940[19:38:16] <n-st> huh?
2941[19:38:19] <deepbluv> I just c'ant figure it out
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2944[19:38:45] * jelly used to decode mp3 on a remote system, then pipe it back to /dev/audio
2945[19:38:53] <n-st> nice!
2946[19:39:15] <jelly> the remote had a whooping 50MHz CPU
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2948[19:39:40] <n-st> jelly: you're old.
2949[19:39:46] <DrBunsen> preaction: I ran smartctrl over my devices, and does this look worrying? replaced-url
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2952[19:40:39] <n-st> DrBunsen: for most values, 100 is best, 0 is failed. besides "SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED"
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2959[19:41:37] <DrBunsen> ooo, I thought the threashold is 0,. and the value is 100
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2961[19:42:17] <jhutchins> DrBunsen: As long as you're not seeing smart errors in the logs and the bad block count isn't growing you're fine.
2962[19:42:19] <jelly> DrBunsen: if any of those attributes was below the threshhold you'd have a non-empty value in the WHEN_FAILED column
2963[19:42:19] <DrBunsen> meaning 0 is what you are aimning for
2964[19:42:36] <DrBunsen> yeah
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2967[19:42:42] <DrBunsen> okies, thanks
2968[19:42:58] <contrapunctus> esp__: I tried using the non-free ISO as you suggested. No luck, trackpad still doesn't work. o_o
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2984[19:50:52] <esp__> contrapunctus, maybe its outdated kernel then?
2985[19:51:47] <deepbluv> why not go eith the mainstream
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2987[19:53:33] <contrapunctus> esp__: So no way to tell without installing it and upgrading it?
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2989[19:53:58] <the_sniff> I cant wrap my head around some stuff with rsnapshot! for some strange reason, in one of my daily backup dirs, some directories appear to be missing. should i just reset the backup folder?
2990[19:54:05] <rubidious> Hello. Does anyone know what package the 'source-code-pro' font might be in? It's an adobe deja-vu style font
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2995[19:59:10] <kbs> silly question - is there statistic for the number of hits/bytes transferred out of a apt site like (say) ftp.us.debian.org ? I'm a bit curious how much it is used for updates, etc. I didn't see anything immediate from replaced-url
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2999[20:00:06] <kbs> (I should add - looking for us stats; I believe there are stats for some of the mirrors there.)
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3026[20:07:31] <contrapunctus> esp__: the installed Ubuntu on that notebook has kernel version 3.13.0-61, and according to replaced-url
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3032[20:11:04] <contrapunctus> esp__: (and the touchpad works in the installed Ubuntu)
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3112[20:33:43] <julius> i got: /etc/rsyslog.d/00-my_iptables.conf with the content: :msg,contains,"[netfilter] " -/var/log/iptables.log after restarting rsyslogd i can see hits on my rule: iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -j LOG --log-prefix="[netfilter]" in iptables -L -v -n, but the logfile isnt created
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3143[20:45:05] <jhutchins> contrapunctus: What is the device ID of the trackpad? Does it appear in lsusb or lspci?
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3154[20:50:22] <contrapunctus> jhutchins: I cannot say - FWIW, /proc/bus/input/devices has this to say about it - "Name="SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad", Phys=isa0060serio1/input0, Sysfs=/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input36, Uniq=, Handlers=mouse1 event12, PROP=5, EV=b, KEY=e520 610000 0 0 0 0, ABS=660800011000003". It does not appear in lsusb or lspci.
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3162[20:52:42] <crazy_dude> can someone help me with fluxion please?
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3169[20:55:55] <jhutchins> contrapunctus: replaced-url
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3171[20:57:00] <jhutchins> ,v fluuxion
3172[20:57:01] <judd> No package named 'fluuxion' was found in amd64.
3173[20:57:12] <jhutchins> ,v fluxion
3174[20:57:13] <judd> No package named 'fluxion' was found in amd64.
3175[20:57:30] <jhutchins> ... even if I spell it right.
3176[20:57:45] <crazy_dude> its not standard package in distro mate
3177[20:57:50] <jhutchins> contrapunctus: Is that any help?
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3180[20:58:19] <jhutchins> crazy_dude: So not reallly debian-support related, eh?
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3182[20:58:47] <crazy_dude> the problem i have is that it creates mon that cant be used and was wondering how to change it
3183[20:59:06] <crazy_dude> when i use airmon-ng, i get wlan0mon
3184[20:59:19] <contrapunctus> jhutchins: I've been looking at it, and I'm afraid not =\
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3186[20:59:47] <jhutchins> contrapunctus: Dilligent scanning of demesg might help.
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3189[21:01:13] <crazy_dude> thats another fun story, since i changed laptop, i cant see anything in demesg
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3191[21:01:31] <Pavr> it's dmesg?
3192[21:01:36] <Pavr> might be that
3193[21:01:53] <contrapunctus> lol
3194[21:02:10] <jhutchins> crazy_dude: It's a command, not just a log file. YOu wan the actual command output.
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3201[21:04:57] <jhutchins> somiaj: Apologies for apparently ignoring your responses yesterday, I have set +R because of the spam. I thought I would get responses if I had started the query.
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3205[21:07:29] <crazy_dude> i know, but i dont get any output, tried just now and nothing happens
3206[21:08:14] <jhutchins> crazy_dude: What release?
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3211[21:08:50] <jhutchins> !kali
3212[21:08:50] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
3213[21:08:55] <crazy_dude> nothing, i type command as root and just go to next line in terminal without any action at all
3214[21:09:03] <crazy_dude> i use newest kali rolling
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3216[21:09:29] <jhutchins> crazy_dude: ... which is not supported here, because they change things and we don't know what.
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3219[21:10:07] <crazy_dude> i see, since it is debian based i thought someone might know what is wrong...
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3221[21:10:26] <jhutchins> crazy_dude: For all we know they could have disabled it.
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3229[21:12:30] <crazy_dude> i woould believe that, since last upgrade all went to shit
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3231[21:12:49] <crazy_dude> might be me, my computer, or the distro
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3234[21:14:24] <julius> i got: /etc/rsyslog.d/00-my_iptables.conf with the content: :msg,contains,"[netfilter] " -/var/log/iptables.log after restarting rsyslogd i can see hits on my rule: iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -j LOG --log-prefix="[netfilter]" in iptables -L -v -n, but the logfile isnt created
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3267[21:25:44] <Renovatio> hello theree
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3269[21:25:50] <Renovatio> anyone here :)
3270[21:25:55] <Renovatio> I am a fan of debian
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3272[21:26:11] <Renovatio> whazzzupp
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3274[21:26:20] <Renovatio> noone answering....
3275[21:26:28] <greycat> Ask a real question.
3276[21:26:32] <ZeroBeholder> So, I posted this in the PHP channel. I imagine more sysadmins hang out here so I will ask if there is a good way to expose select environment variables to PHP. Currently I'm just having my provisioning script use a HEREDOC, sed, and/or a straight up >> append to drop configuration details where I need them. No big deal to build a server, image it, and redeploy on AWS. No server or instance...
3277[21:26:34] <ZeroBeholder> ...is maintained.
3278[21:26:41] <ZeroBeholder> replaced-url
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3281[21:27:06] <greycat> What do you mean by "expose selected env vars"?
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3285[21:28:20] <ZeroBeholder> I don't necessarily want the a replaced-url
3286[21:28:23] <unborn> replaced-url
3287[21:28:30] <unborn> :) for all of us
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3289[21:29:02] <Renovatio> ping
3290[21:29:05] <greycat> RSA crypto algorithm... what...
3291[21:29:24] <greycat> What version of Debian are you on, and what problem are you trying to solve?
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3293[21:29:37] <missmbob> unborn: please stop spamming the channel. this isnt #debian-offtopic
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3299[21:30:42] <greycat> If the problem you are trying to solve is "I'm on wheezy and root's interactive vars leak into php-fpm when I restart it" then the solution is to upgrade to jessie which uses systemd which starts things via a daemon instead of as a child of the interactive shell.
3300[21:30:49] <unborn> missmbob: I am well aware indeed - sorry to offend you.. its just my rebellious mind - it wont happen ever again. Im sorry for it. are we okay?
3301[21:31:03] <unborn> - you know me in end of the day
3302[21:31:05] <missmbob> unborn: sure
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3305[21:31:18] <unborn> thanks, anyway im sorry
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3313[21:35:30] <ZeroBeholder> Yeah, another machine connects and runs commands as replaced-url
3314[21:35:31] <ZeroBeholder> ...the user that needs it, /etc/environment, & /etc/apache2/envvars. However, in the apache or php-fpm configs I don't think there is a way to make a subset of environment variables available-- say just the database DSN info and the environment variable that holds 'dev' and 'AWS' for instance.
3315[21:35:45] <greycat> What version of Debian are you on?
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3317[21:36:04] <ZeroBeholder> Jessie 8.1 sorry.
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3319[21:36:25] <greycat> Then when you restart php-fpm it is done via systemd and there is no leakage of the user's interactive environment into the daemon.
3320[21:36:45] <greycat> But go ahead and keep throwing buzzwords that nobody but you understands into a massive wall of text.
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3324[21:37:32] <ZeroBeholder> Right, how do you tell PHP to just pull the value by the env var name?
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3327[21:37:40] <greycat> I have no idea what you want.
3328[21:37:46] <ZeroBeholder> Fair enough.
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3336[21:39:09] <jhutchins> ZeroBeholder: phpinfo();
3337[21:39:29] <ZeroBeholder> The env variable is set in /etc/environment is that still a non-deprecated way of making a variable global like "environment_type=dev" that I want every user and process to have access to.
3338[21:39:50] <greycat> Nothing in /etc/environment should EVER be in a daemon's execution environment under systemd.
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3340[21:40:08] <greycat> /etc/environment is for logins, or anything that uses pam_env.so.
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3342[21:40:31] <ZeroBeholder> Well, that is my first faux pas in a likely long line...
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3348[21:42:17] <ZeroBeholder> I think I need to spend some time in Google with 'daemon environment variable'. If you're lucky, I won't be back and thanks for the new direction to chase. If not I'll see you all in a few minutes.
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3352[21:44:46] <missmbob> wow. "spend some time" == "few minutes" ?
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3356[21:45:25] <greycat> I suspect he will need more than a few minutes, but I still don't know what problem he wanted to solve.
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3358[21:45:49] <missmbob> i'm totally lost, too
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3364[21:47:34] <jhutchins> Often a good idea to know how something actually works before asking how to change how it works.
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3395[22:00:35] <dashs> How to install :i386 pavkage on an amd64 system? Have multiarch. Have added i386. apt-get does not 'see' the i386 packages.
3396[22:00:46] <greycat> !multiarch
3397[22:00:46] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
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3413[22:09:26] <dashs> thanks greycat
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3431[22:17:08] <irclcv3> Hello, where do i get the non-gui version of debian ??
3432[22:17:21] <greycat> Just unselect "desktop" stuff in the installer.
3433[22:17:22] <missmbob> irclcv3: same place you get a gui version. the installer
3434[22:17:50] <missmbob> i really want to punch ubuntu in the face for confusing the fuck out of people with "server edition"
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3437[22:18:18] <irclcv3> hmmm.. so during installation i unselect the desktop interface ?
3438[22:18:33] <missmbob> desktop enviornment, yes.
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3444[22:20:00] <yokisuci> irclcv3: Install from the Net setup installation :)
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3446[22:20:22] <irclcv3> yokisuci: :|
3447[22:20:32] <irclcv3> whats the difference, yokisuci ?
3448[22:20:39] <missmbob> irclcv3: you can do it with any edition of the installer
3449[22:20:44] <yokisuci> irclcv3: irclcv3 the net install CD :)
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3451[22:21:01] <toor_> lol
3452[22:21:03] <yokisuci> missmbob: u cant? I don't remember that you could install debian without GUI when using the Gnome installation DVD
3453[22:21:20] <missmbob> yokisuci: that just changes the default. you certainly can
3454[22:21:50] <yokisuci> missmbob: Oh ok :/ Maybe thats true. Must have missed it.
3455[22:22:07] <at0m> advantage of netinstaller is that you'd only download what you need, in this case, not much graphical.
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3458[22:22:43] <yokisuci> irclcv3: Anyway, try using the net install CD and then you uncheck the desktop environemtn during the installation if it's for some reason is checked. If you want to, you can install a really minimal debian with netinstaller :)
3459[22:23:14] <irclcv3> yokisuci: yea i want a minimal non-gui
3460[22:23:36] <greycat> When you download an installer that is not the netinst, it just means there are extra (old, stale) packages on the physical medium that you burn. So after installing all those stale packages from the medium, the installer has to upgrade them from security.d.o instead of just installing them from security.d.o.
3461[22:24:00] <irclcv3> it will be a pain but i will be able to learn bash and command lines faster that way
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3463[22:24:09] <greycat> Or, maybe it just ignores the ones on the disc in the first place.
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3465[22:25:26] <yokisuci> irclcv3: it's not that hard getting a working installation with debian from a minimal installation.
3466[22:25:50] <yokisuci> or well...e graphical interface with a login manager ^^
3467[22:25:57] <irclcv3> yokisuci: i'm referring to dealing with a non-gui OS
3468[22:26:08] <irclcv3> the installation should be fine
3469[22:26:33] <yokisuci> irclcv3: Yeah? You're gonna set up a server?
3470[22:26:43] <greycat> If you unselect all the desktop environments in the installer, you get a regular console-login Debian. Suitable for a server or to have desktop stuff installed on it later if you wish.
3471[22:26:56] <toor_> how to use irssi
3472[22:27:13] <irclcv3> not really, yokisuci
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3475[22:27:26] <irclcv3> i'm learning command line and bash
3476[22:27:34] <irclcv3> and i have to learn it fast
3477[22:27:42] <greycat> Then stop talking and start installing.
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3479[22:27:55] <yokisuci> irclcv3: Ok :) Well it's still nice with X. Install bspwm then...ir i3 and urxvt terminal
3480[22:27:56] <irclcv3> grey i'm currently downloading it
3481[22:28:10] <toor_> irclvcv3 this is a good way to learn it
3482[22:28:12] <toor_> replaced-url
3483[22:28:23] <toor_> youll learn the basics
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3487[22:29:32] <jhutchins> toor_: Have you considered typing irssi into google?
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3489[22:29:56] <toor_> i figured this out
3490[22:30:01] <toor_> :)
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3492[22:30:19] <krstyan> irssi
3493[22:30:24] <irclcv3> bspwm then...ir i3 and urxvt terminal, yokisuci what are those ?
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3496[22:31:09] <yokisuci> irclcv3: irclcv3 tiling window managers.
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3499[22:31:57] <krstyan> cya
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3508[22:34:02] <KindOne> E: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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3510[22:34:04] <KindOne> replaced-url
3511[22:34:05] <KindOne> wat
3512[22:34:33] <greycat> We don't even *think about* supporting experimental.
3513[22:34:47] <irclcv3> yokisuci: in non-gui mode i can still join irc servers right ?
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3515[22:35:24] <missmbob> irclcv3: of course. irssi is great. i use it even in gui environments
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3518[22:36:12] <KindOne> greycat: meh
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3520[22:36:29] <missmbob> KindOne: you're in debian stable support channel. not even testing/sid one...
3521[22:36:44] <yokisuci> irclcv3: Yeah u can always use irssi. :) But like i said, even thu you plan to use the terminal, i would stil recommend installing some kind of window manager.
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3523[22:37:07] <greycat> *sigh*
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3526[22:38:17] <irclcv3> yokisuci: so after installing the non-gui debian i can just do apt-get install irssi right ?
3527[22:38:28] <greycat> yes.
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3530[22:39:08] <missmbob> irclcv3: you keep asking the wrong person. anyway, read this replaced-url
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3534[22:40:10] <at0m> irclcv3: and while you're at it, tmux or screen for multiple and detachable terminal windows
3535[22:40:37] <brian_> Anyone know what theme the debian installer uses? ill paste a reference pic in the #flood channel
3536[22:41:12] <irclcv3> at0m: detachable terminal windows in non-gui mode ??
3537[22:41:19] <brian_> I would like to use the theme for my XFCE install of Debian Strech
3538[22:41:20] <irclcv3> that's sounds great
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3548[22:44:30] <brian_> It seems very close to the murrine-light theme that comes with strech... But i feel like i would enjoy the installer's theme more.
3549[22:44:50] <yokisuci> brian_: I thought it was clearlooks? :/
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3551[22:45:31] <yokisuci> irclcv3: yeah ofc u can install irssi with apt-get...and other packages as well
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3553[22:46:18] <brian_> yokiisuci unless theres another version of clearlooks, No?
3554[22:46:36] <brian_> Someone told me that in the past, But it doesn't match
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3557[22:47:25] <yokisuci> brian_: think there's a few different versions of clearlooks. Btw, havn't used the GUI installer for a while so don't remember really but i thought it was clearlooks but i can be wrong ofc.
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3560[22:47:36] <jhutchins> brian_: Have you asked google?
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3563[22:47:54] <brian_> actually, i didn't think of that, ill try that, Thanks jhutchins
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3565[22:48:08] <brian_> Also, I posted a picture of clearlooks into #flood
3566[22:48:14] <brian_> So you can see the difference
3567[22:48:21] <brian_> (Minus the window theme)
3568[22:49:51] <yokisuci> brian_: #flood?
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3571[22:50:19] <brian_> yokisuci, yeah, it said to post pasted links into the channel #flood
3572[22:50:22] <brian_> ?
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3577[22:50:52] <yokisuci> brian_: o i think i did a typo ^^
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3579[22:51:02] <yokisuci> brian_: post if again
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3581[22:51:05] <brian_> yokisuci, ok
3582[22:51:33] <brian_> yokisuci, there
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3584[22:52:13] <yokisuci> brian_: yeah you're right. that isn't claerlooks. Don't know what theme it is. :/ Did you check that murrine theme?
3585[22:52:33] <brian_> jhutchins, it didn't give any results... Just the installer, Windows, And some other DE from 2004
3586[22:53:05] <brian_> yokisuci, im using it... its very similar, but different colors, scrollbar, and text
3587[22:53:20] <brian_> yokisuci, and im not sure if it has the same progress bar.
3588[22:53:33] <brian_> yokisuci, im just really curious why this theme isn't advailible by default.
3589[22:53:33] <yokisuci> =/
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3593[22:54:02] <brian_> yokisuci, its at least part of the installer and grub menu design... Perhaps they phased it out because it looked too old?
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3596[22:54:33] <missmbob> brian_: i've never used the gui installer, but i'm sure the folks who built it know. #debian-boot (on OFTC, not here on freenode)
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3598[22:55:09] <brian_> missmbob, thanks, ill go see if i can ask them.
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3602[22:55:13] <yokisuci> yokel: Clearlooks? :/ I have no idea
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3604[22:55:29] <yokisuci> brian_: *
3605[22:55:29] <yokisuci> >.<
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3608[22:56:07] <brian_> i posted another link in the #flood... Wikipedia doesn't even show the red theme version, I think its really the only version... Anyways... Ill be back later
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3622[23:01:13] <brian_> They say its a custom theme... Im waiting to see if theres anyway to get it easily... Perhaps i might try and recreate it if not.
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3625[23:01:25] <LordSama> there is a door
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3637[23:08:14] <brian_> So appearently the theme is called rootskel-gtk ... And it can be remade into a gtk theme... Im not really sure how to do that, So im off to do some looking around.
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3657[23:22:40] <yokisuci> brian_: Did you find the theme? :)
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3663[23:26:17] <brian_> yokisuci, yeah, but it has to be modified, and i dont have much knowledge in that... Other than it will probably require some CSS, Which im fine with
3664[23:26:47] <brian_> yokisuci, ill post it in #flood
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3671[23:28:37] <yokisuci> brian_: oh ok :)
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3674[23:29:46] <yokisuci> anway tbh i thin i'll have to sleep. kinda tiered. Good luck with the theme :)
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3699[23:48:13] <somiaj> jhutchins: that's fine. I'm on my way home but feel free to pm if needed.
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