• 0[00:00:03] <Gerowen> The first time the script was ever ran, manually, it worked, but subsequent runs, even ones where I do it myself, write nothing to the log.
• 1[00:00:49] <bolt> missmbob: turned out to be that bug where apt requests a partial file, and the file it's trying to get happens to be larger than the file that's on the server now, so the server responds that it can't fulfill that request, apt is clueless and tries to get the next option, which is apparently the uncompressed one that doesn't exist
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• 3[00:01:21] <bolt> missmbob: just had to clear /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/ ... i've had this before. should have remembered
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• 12[00:05:55] <missmbob> Gerowen: with rsync >> isn't what you're supposed to do. use --log-file
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• 14[00:06:18] <missmbob> great timing
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• 17[00:07:06] <Gerowin> missmbob: Alright I'll give it a try, thanks, :-)
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• 23[00:10:01] <missmbob> just be happy i read that and not greycat :P
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• 107[00:51:24] <oty> heya
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• 110[00:52:02] <XReD> hey
• 111[00:52:02] <Weeezy> hello oty
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• 113[00:52:23] <XReD> i can ask for something?
• 114[00:52:32] <oty> I'm looking for a good tuto to create a .deb package within the norm, would you have that
• 115[00:52:37] <oty> ?
• 116[00:53:11] <missmbob> replaced-url
• 117[00:53:22] <XReD> i searce some one who can teach me coding pleaaaase !!!
• 118[00:53:32] <XReD> search
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• 127[00:54:51] <missmbob> oty: if it's just for you look at checkinstall
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• 130[00:55:08] <missmbob> !tell oty about checkinstall
• 131[00:55:36] <oty> I'll dig in into the doc you gave first
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• 134[00:56:07] <oty> I'd like to contribute someday on minor stuff for debian, better start with the real thing x)
• 135[00:56:29] <XReD> i have a parrot os system 64 and i can't install migw32 some one can help me?
• 136[00:56:47] <missmbob> no
• 137[00:56:50] <missmbob> !parrot
• 138[00:56:50] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
• 139[00:57:28] <XReD> thankyouuuuuu
• 140[00:57:28] <temp-wifirepeate> At boot time my laptop does not get a dynamic ip address from the wireless router. But if i do iwconfig wlan0 rate 1M && ifconfig wlan0 up && dhclient -v wlan0 i succcesfully connect to the internet. What file do i need to edit to permanently set wlan0's rate to 1M?
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• 153[01:04:51] <greenorange> Is just typing 'apt install whatever' a new thing in Stretch, or have I been needless typing 'apt-get' on Jessie? It's wonderful anyway!
• 154[01:05:16] <cmyers> like the alamo, my fingers will never forget -get
• 155[01:05:21] <cmyers> =|
• 156[01:05:23] <tomcres> greenorange: apt is on jessie, too
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• 158[01:05:53] <greenorange> well then, my needless typing. good they both still work though
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• 167[01:09:27] <missmbob> greenorange: apt has been around for a long time. it wasnt until stretch's version of it that it really became useful
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• 216[01:35:26] <Strife1989> So my laptop suddenly dropped to an almost-entirely black screen, and stopped responding to inputs; it shut itself off about a minute afterwards. (Running Debian testing.) What should I check to investigate the cause of the sudden shutdown?
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• 218[01:39:36] <ryouma> battery
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• 222[01:41:48] <Strife1989> ryouma: Laptop is plugged in. In any case, I was directed to take this to #debian-next.
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• 265[02:13:56] <disi> what is the most portable way to resolve an addres? dig? host? nslookup?
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• 268[02:15:37] <tomcres> dig
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• 270[02:19:46] <disi> tomcres: er... moreso than getent (just found that one)
• 271[02:19:48] <disi> ?
• 272[02:20:05] <disi> getent hosts foo.bar.com
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• 274[02:20:45] <tomcres> dig is the current tool; I think nslookup has been deprecated for some time. I don't know getent.
• 275[02:21:08] <themill> getent uses the system's actual resolver and so obeys your local config; dig does not
• 276[02:21:51] <tensorpudding> I'm trying to figure out how to properly setup my webcam.
• 277[02:22:02] <disi> oh interesting, i didnt realize nslookup was deprecated... is host supposed to replace dig?
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• 287[02:28:47] <tomcres> ,v pulseaudio
• 288[02:28:48] <judd> Package: pulseaudio on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.0-6.1; wheezy-backports: 4.0-6~bpo7+1; jessie: 5.0-13; jessie-backports: 7.1-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 9.0-5; sid: 10.0-1
• 289[02:29:38] <Aimmy> Is it possible to be infected by malware, threw clicking on just 1 wrong website if you're running tor threw virtualbox with NAT network?
• 290[02:29:48] <Aimmy> mby not malware but anything
• 291[02:31:43] <missmbob> Aimmy: are you asking if you have a windows vm in virtualbox and you click something stupid in there if it can infect your debian host?
• 292[02:32:14] <Aimmy> yeah, but it's debian inside the vm and debian on the outside
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• 298[02:33:28] <missmbob> are you worried about the vm or the host?
• 299[02:33:33] <Aimmy> the host
• 300[02:33:37] <missmbob> you're fine
• 301[02:33:50] * zykotick9 was under the impression that malware basically didn't exist for gnu/linux - BUT.. i recently saw one of my mother's computer with debian (& Google's Chrome) and now knows that malware for gnu/linux exists in the non-free world :(
• 302[02:34:21] <Aimmy> Cool, then I'll just delete the vm and move on
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• 304[02:34:49] <Aimmy> ***zykotick9: you mean you installed a package from synaptic with malware?
• 305[02:35:30] <zykotick9> Aimmy: NO. but my mother got some sort of "infection" on her debian... and i'm guessing it was due to google chrome...
• 306[02:35:56] <zykotick9> Aimmy: debian servers i trust!
• 307[02:35:56] <Aimmy> Why chrome when we have fox?
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• 312[02:38:07] <zykotick9> Aimmy: personally, i won't touch chrome (or even chromium) with a 30ft pole... but my mother, she is a gmail/google fan. i provide the tech support for the OS... she incorrectly choses to use Chrome :(
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• 316[02:39:37] <Aimmy> xD ye getting people over to fox is really hard. chrome is a really good browser, such a shame they use it in such a wrong way
• 317[02:39:39] <Aimmy> same with windows
• 318[02:40:07] <Aimmy> Imagine if windows was an AI. It would probably slaughter every human on planet dirt.
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• 324[02:41:19] <tensorpudding> For some reason, when I install the webcam it plays the audio from the microphone back through my headset though, and it's very distracting. How do I stop it from doing this?
• 325[02:41:33] <sorressean> I'm new to the realm of systemd and just set up debian for something. what's the best way to see currently running services/disable the ones I don't want?
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• 327[02:43:08] <Aimmy> I think kill ?
• 328[02:43:13] <Aimmy> type man kill in terminal
• 329[02:43:25] <Aimmy> "man kill"
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• 332[02:44:51] <missmbob> are you asking for a gui-like frontend to systemctl? like on windows services.msc ?
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• 338[02:48:27] <missmbob> or were you just looking for systemctl? because that would be great :P
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• 342[02:52:18] <themill> systemd-ui exists, but it's a loaded gun aimed at your foot if your goal is the preservation of PIDs.
• 343[02:52:50] <zykotick9> sorressean: if you are just looking for a systemd primer... as with many things... check the arch wiki replaced-url
• 344[02:53:45] * zykotick9 wishes the debian wiki was as informative/up-to-date as the arch wiki... ymmv...
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• 348[02:56:08] <sorressean> ha, thanks. I'm reading that anyway for an arch install.
• 349[02:56:23] <sorressean> I abandoned *nix when systemd came around and haven't done much with it
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• 360[03:01:45] <msg> hi all
• 361[03:02:02] <msg> in by /bin/gzip i have a version of gzip with libz statically compiled
• 362[03:02:14] <msg> how do i get it to dynamically link libz?
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• 364[03:02:45] <msg> Or just make a whole new gzip that's dynamically linked
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• 366[03:03:44] <conley> good evening, gentlemen
• 367[03:04:23] <conley> how can i update openssh-server? apt-get thinks the latest version is 6.0, internet says 6.7, and I need AuthorizedKeysCommand which appears to not be supported
• 368[03:04:35] <conley> I have no idea how apt-get repositories work haha
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• 370[03:04:49] <msg> I've been using Debian for years
• 371[03:04:56] <msg> i also have no idea how repos work
• 372[03:05:10] <conley> i installed mint in 8th grade
• 373[03:05:19] <conley> i'm a sophomore in college now. shit blows me away still
• 374[03:05:26] <msg> It's like asking how a brain aneurism works. I'm sure someone knows. Someone very smart. But not me.
• 375[03:05:34] <msg> I'm finishing my PhD
• 376[03:05:36] <conley> hahahaha
• 377[03:05:37] <msg> Just give up kid
• 378[03:05:40] <msg> :P
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• 380[03:05:46] <msg> It's not worth learning
• 381[03:05:58] <msg> just google it and paste the results into the terminal without looking ftw
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• 437[03:48:06] <SanchoPensa> good evening, guys!
• 438[03:48:18] <SanchoPensa> is there something like audacity but for video editing?
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• 440[03:49:34] <SanchoPensa> is that actually an on topic quesation...?
• 441[03:49:36] <bazhang> cinelerra, and others
• 442[03:49:52] <bazhang> ,v lightworks
• 443[03:49:53] <judd> No package named 'lightworks' was found in amd64.
• 444[03:49:58] <SanchoPensa> bazhang: thanks, bro!
• 445[03:50:05] <SanchoPensa> oops :D
• 446[03:50:24] <bazhang> SanchoPensa, there are around five or so very good ones
• 447[03:50:56] <SanchoPensa> really?? that is really good news, thanks man!
• 448[03:51:22] <bazhang> 'video editor linux'
• 449[03:51:31] <bazhang> thats the search term I used
• 450[03:51:38] <SanchoPensa> i was really afraid to learn, that there are none... lile it so often is in linux... but adding to gimp an audacity...
• 451[03:51:56] <SanchoPensa> aha? and that gives you information, on "how good" they are?
• 452[03:51:59] <ryouma> last i checked, there were about 6 video editors. and none of them worked. at all.
• 453[03:52:03] <bazhang> yes
• 454[03:52:08] <SanchoPensa> :DDDD
• 455[03:52:15] <bazhang> sure they do
• 456[03:52:34] <bazhang> I have used three of the top ones with great regularity
• 457[03:52:43] <SanchoPensa> which ones?
• 458[03:52:48] <ryouma> on jessie?
• 459[03:52:58] <SanchoPensa> cinelerra, lightworks, and?
• 460[03:53:09] <bazhang> on all brands, many distros
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• 462[03:53:21] <bazhang> including debian
• 463[03:53:45] <SanchoPensa> there is indeed no lightworks in the standard repos...
• 464[03:54:23] <ryouma> i tried all of these and they crashed or ahd other issues: flowblade ffdiaporama kino gopchop openshot pitivi kdenlive
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• 467[03:55:49] <ryouma> as my task was to get clips, i decided to use vlc record
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• 469[03:56:31] <bazhang> ,v openshot
• 470[03:56:32] <judd> Package: openshot on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.2-1.1; jessie: 1.4.3-1.1; sid: 1.4.3-1.2; stretch: 1.4.3-1.2; wheezy-multimedia: 1.4.3-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1.4.3-dmo4; sid-multimedia: 1.4.3-dmo4
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• 472[03:57:00] <bazhang> ,v flowblade
• 473[03:57:01] <judd> Package: flowblade on amd64 -- jessie: 0.14.0-1; stretch: 1.6-2; stretch: 1.10-2; sid: 1.10-2; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.12.0-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:1.10-dmo1
• 474[03:57:10] <bazhang> yikers
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• 476[03:57:45] <bazhang> lightworks has their own installer from outside debian repos
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• 478[03:58:02] <bazhang> ,v kdenlive
• 479[03:58:03] <judd> Package: kdenlive on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.9.2-2; jessie: 0.9.10-2; stretch: 16.08.3-1; sid: 16.12.1-1; wheezy-multimedia: 1:0.9.6-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.9.10-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 1:16.12.1-dmo1
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• 481[03:59:47] <bazhang> SanchoPensa, see above^
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• 483[04:00:16] <bazhang> openshot has some very sweet options in deed
• 484[04:00:29] <bazhang> flowblade is interesting
• 485[04:00:32] <SanchoPensa> cool!
• 486[04:00:35] <SanchoPensa> thanks guys!
• 487[04:00:47] <bazhang> np!
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• 489[04:01:15] <bazhang> replaced-url
• 490[04:02:04] <jtsdent1212> Any reason to use Debian over mint?
• 491[04:02:11] <SanchoPensa> bazhang: ok, bro, as much, as I appreciate it, but pls stop now, i am starting to feel spammed... :D
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• 496[04:02:33] <bazhang> heh apologies SanchoPensa
• 497[04:02:45] <bazhang> thats me going for breakfast now
• 498[04:02:54] <SanchoPensa> hehehe (y) thanks once more!
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• 501[04:04:53] <antisaint> How do I get my tab complete back after moving to vnc or ssh?
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• 510[04:15:20] <antisaint> Anybody have the answer to return autocomplete with tab?
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• 514[04:18:19] <missmbob> wait are you saying something weird like "i'm using csh and then ssh" ..?
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• 517[04:22:19] <antisaint> I am saying after connecting to debian jesse via ssh to startup vnc I now no longer have autocomplete with tab. Poking around /etc/bash.bashrc seems to hold the key.
• 518[04:22:57] <LambdaComplex> i'm pretty sure that has everything to do with the shell you're running via ssh and nothing to do with ssh itself
• 519[04:22:59] <LambdaComplex> if that makes sense
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• 521[04:23:45] <antisaint> I am vnc'd at this point and it was still messing up. uncommenting auto complete works
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• 523[04:24:04] <LambdaComplex> sounds logical to me
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• 529[04:26:45] <awal1> ,v vivaldi
• 530[04:26:46] <judd> No package named 'vivaldi' was found in amd64.
• 531[04:27:09] <missmbob> awal1: i told you about that months ago and you're now getting around to looking it up? :P
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• 533[04:27:13] <LambdaComplex> so i'm reading an FAQ talking about the different Debian distributions and it says "The packages in stable integrate seamlessly with other stable packages." does this statement apply to backports?
• 534[04:27:24] <LambdaComplex> is vivaldi the browser with vim keybinds?
• 535[04:27:29] * LambdaComplex is too lazy to google that :P
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• 537[04:28:01] <awal1> missmbob: lol, I tried it in my VM and it's good! I wanted to check if it's in debian yet :P
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• 541[04:29:31] <awal1> bcuz here, debian stable = only pkgs from official repos ;)
• 542[04:30:29] <missmbob> awal1: have you experimental with side web panels much? god it's soooo good. i set one side panel for google keep, one for github, etc, and they all open the mobile version of said sites (due to screen size) and it's magic
• 543[04:30:33] <awal1> LambdaComplex: integration = all deps satisfied. almost
• 544[04:30:38] <missmbob> experimented*
• 545[04:31:52] <awal1> missmbob, I haven't really played with it for now, just daily browsing, defaults almost
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• 548[04:32:47] <awal1> being a good browser, it will be in debian soon I guess
• 549[04:33:18] <awal1> I may report a wnpp bug
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• 551[04:33:58] <missmbob> they had a big thing on their forum recently about which distributions needed vivaldi, etc
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• 553[04:34:47] <missmbob> i didnt look into it, to be honest. but i know they were looking to be included
• 554[04:34:48] <LambdaComplex> dumb question time: when will debian 9 be stable?
• 555[04:35:10] <awal1> but are wnpp bugs are more likely to be reported by dd/maintainers?
• 556[04:35:50] <awal1> debian is a bse for dozens of distros; logically "they" look into debian
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• 559[04:36:19] <missmbob> LambdaComplex: not february
• 560[04:37:16] <LambdaComplex> oh, it hasn't been announced yet
• 561[04:37:18] <LambdaComplex> alrighty
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• 563[04:37:35] <awal1> LambdaComplex: usually may/june
• 564[04:37:59] <awal1> looks like rc bugs are being fixed quickly ...
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• 567[04:39:22] <missmbob> i've yet to get a real answer about 4.10 though
• 568[04:39:34] <SanchoPensa> bazhang: blender appears to be teh shit...
• 569[04:40:24] <awal1> LambdaComplex, replaced-url
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• 572[04:41:16] <missmbob> debian planned to use kernel 4.10 because that *was* going to be LTS. that was the whole point. now 4.9 became LTS. so will release have 4.10 (please no) or LTS (yay)?
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• 582[04:45:45] <awal1> ,v kernels
• 583[04:45:46] <judd> No package named 'kernels' was found in amd64.
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• 585[04:45:57] <dvs> ,kernels
• 586[04:45:58] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.2-2); stretch: 4.8.0-2-686-pae (4.8.15-2); jessie-backports: 4.8.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.8.15-2~bpo8+2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-1)
• 587[04:46:03] <awal1> :P
• 588[04:46:19] <missmbob> i know the current status :P
• 589[04:46:43] <missmbob> it was delayed 2 months for 4.10. c'mon.
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• 591[04:46:59] <awal1> maybe 2 noths more again :P
• 592[04:47:04] <awal1> months
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• 594[04:47:30] <missmbob> i'm saying i want the 4.10 plan forgotten about.
• 595[04:47:52] <awal1> why?
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• 597[04:48:15] <missmbob> because the point of 4.10 was because it was going to be LTS. now it's 4.9.
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• 599[04:48:24] <missmbob> use LTS kernel. fuck 4.10
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• 601[04:50:01] <missmbob> awal1: replaced-url
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• 604[04:51:27] <awal1> missmbob, I have seen that months ago
• 605[04:52:11] <missmbob> yes. now things changed. no one can tell me if debian is sticking with lts kernel (thus 4.9) or 4.10 since they changed.
• 606[04:52:16] <awal1> 4.10 isn't even stable yet
• 607[04:52:36] <awal1> still in mainline
• 608[04:53:08] <missmbob> you're just not following why i want debian released with a lts kernel, right?
• 609[04:53:25] <awal1> I understood you
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• 611[04:53:36] <dvs> So do I and it makes sense
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• 613[04:54:39] <awal1> Longterm release kernels: (4.9 Greg Kroah-Hartman 2016-12-11 Jan, 2019)
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• 617[04:59:30] <themill> missmbob: when you say "no one can tell you", who have you asked? (It was decided to use 4.9 for stretch back in August)
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• 619[04:59:59] <missmbob> themill: lord yes.
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• 621[05:00:13] <missmbob> themill: i've been in here and searching the mailing lists
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• 623[05:01:17] <missmbob> i must've asked here ten times
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• 626[05:04:25] <awal1> themill may point us (mailing list link or something) to the "decision" :P
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• 630[05:05:32] <themill> replaced-url
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• 633[05:06:48] <missmbob> i saw that, but 4.9 didn't become LTS until jan 19 replaced-url
• 634[05:06:48] <awal1> thanks
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• 637[05:08:00] <themill> That's just frills on a website. You already knew it would be so prior to that.
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• 641[05:09:11] <somiaj> hmm, eol seems a bit soonish, though I guess debian-lts will deal with any issues after that.
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• 643[05:09:33] <themill> the kernel team has always had to deal with upstream support ending
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• 645[05:10:11] <somiaj> or maybe Ben Hutchings will take over, 3.16 has an EOL in 2020 (at least according to the website)
• 646[05:10:26] <missmbob> themill: "I reserve the right to not pick 4.9 and support it for two years, if it’s a major pain because people abused this notice. If so, I’ll possibly drop back to 4.8, or just wait for 4.10 to be released. I’ll let everyone know by updating the kernel.org releases page when it’s time"
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• 648[05:11:14] <missmbob> anyway
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• 650[05:12:52] <themill> Right... so it was predicted that 4.9 would be the LTS, the kernel maintainers said that if that was the case, then 4.9 would be in stretch and then 4.9 was marked as LTS. I'm not sure there's a missing piece.
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• 653[05:13:43] <missmbob> debian initially predicting 4.10 as lts is all
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• 655[05:15:10] <themill> so add that to the beginning, I'm still not sure what's missing
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• 659[05:16:15] <missmbob> i did. you filled the missing piece with the mailing list post. no longer missing.
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• 754[06:33:35] <CrazyPenguin> hello..
• 755[06:33:58] <LiENUS> is there a way to list what files will be deleted when i dpkg -P a package?
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• 758[06:34:01] <xXEoflaOEXx> Hello CrazyPenguin.
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• 763[06:34:45] <somiaj> LiENUS: dpkg --status package should list the Conffiles
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• 766[06:36:41] <tabakhase> uhm, shouldnt i be able to remap libkrb5-3 to libkrb53 to run php 5.2 from lenny on jessie? - favorable via preferences file
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• 768[06:37:25] <tabakhase> im aware of downloading them all and installing with dpkg, but apt should be able todo that too or not :/
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• 777[06:42:10] <LiENUS> somiaj, thanks
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• 804[07:11:10] <yakiza> Hello guys i have installed my nvida gt630 drivers from additional driver and try out this benchmark and the second one doesnt run i get an error any help what to do ?
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• 807[07:14:00] <somiaj> what doy ou mean additional driver?
• 808[07:14:35] <yakiza> from additional drivers if you go to search and write driver it will show you the icon
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• 810[07:15:27] <somiaj> what os are you running?
• 811[07:16:09] <somiaj> I'm assuming this is synamptic?
• 812[07:16:20] <yakiza> somiaj: ubuntu 16.04 look replaced-url
• 813[07:16:29] <somiaj> ahh ubuntu, you should be asking them about their drivers.
• 814[07:16:31] <somiaj> !ubuntu
• 815[07:16:32] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
• 816[07:17:19] <somiaj> yakiza: I'm unsure how ubuntu deals with its nvidia drivers and its off topic here anyways.
• 817[07:17:20] <yakiza> jim replaced-url
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• 819[07:17:35] <yakiza> isnt ubuntu debian?
• 820[07:17:40] <yakiza> how is off topic
• 821[07:18:37] <somiaj> know it is not debian, did you read what the bot said.
• 822[07:18:41] <somiaj> know = no
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• 825[07:19:04] <awal1> yakiza, just read the following dpkg info carefully and you get it
• 826[07:19:07] <somiaj> ubuntu uses packages from debian, but it is its own os, and core things like drivers have differences in how they are installed/configured.
• 827[07:19:13] <awal1> ! based on debian
• 828[07:19:13] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 829[07:19:37] <awal1> almost "We don't know......"
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• 831[07:20:48] <yakiza> alriht understood sorry guysbut i am trying to solve this for 3 days no.. no progress
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• 834[07:21:41] <awal1> I have Antix in a VM, it's debian stable based, but they have hundreds of config changed at their way..., yakiza
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• 836[07:22:12] <somiaj> yakiza: askubuntu site usually has good info on it, for alternative places to look / ask questions.
• 837[07:22:16] <awal1> even dependencies and such stuff
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• 840[07:24:46] <nwe> hmm I have reinstall one off mine servers, and I can see the preseed file be downloaded via tcpdump but after the installation is complete. I see that it hasn't touch my disks..
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• 843[07:24:58] <nwe> in partman.log from the installer I can found parted_server: Note =dev=sda as unchanged
• 844[07:25:03] <nwe> any idea?
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• 862[07:34:18] <TehRabbitt> Hey, having some network trouble and was hoping if someone could give me some guidance. I've got a VM being hosted on a dedicated box over at online.net, and they supply "Failover IPs" for use by guest VMs. the IPs have a /32 and a gateway IP that is on a different network (pointtopoint config). I've followed their guide but the interface doesn't come up
• 863[07:34:32] <TehRabbitt> I was able to bring it online by following the following: replaced-url
• 864[07:34:48] <TehRabbitt> but how would I configure /etc/network/interfaces so that it actually works after reboot etc?
• 865[07:35:18] <TehRabbitt> specifically the following line is what "fixes" things: ip address add dev eth0 x.x.x.x/32 peer y.y.y.y/32
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• 867[07:35:36] <TehRabbitt> where y.y.y.y/32 is the "gateway" and x.x.x.x/32 is the local machine's IP
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• 869[07:36:17] <TehRabbitt> the config I originally followed was replaced-url
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• 885[07:56:27] <TehRabbitt> anyone on?
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• 892[07:58:07] <somiaj> TehRabbitt: hundereds, just ask your question if you have one
• 893[07:58:13] <somiaj> nevermind
• 894[07:58:23] <TehRabbitt> somiaj: I did :P
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• 896[07:58:59] <somiaj> you could try and put that command you need to run as a post-up script since that seems to be all that is missing
• 897[07:59:22] <TehRabbitt> that's what I was thinking... but it seems like it should be able to work without it
• 898[07:59:28] <somiaj> unsure if you can just put info in interfaces to add that option directly, not that familar with the network setup you are working with.
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• 900[08:00:04] <TehRabbitt> somiaj: "Failover IP" aka it can float between mutliple physical interfaces apparently
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• 904[08:01:23] <TehRabbitt> somiaj: basically if my IP is 100.5.5.1, the gateway is 62.210.0.1 the subnet mask is 255.255.255.255
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• 906[08:01:46] <TehRabbitt> that said, with that config, when I try to add a default route for 0.0.0.0 ---> 62.210.0.1, it says no route to 62.210.0.1
• 907[08:02:17] <somiaj> ##networking may be more knowledgable on this
• 908[08:02:20] <TehRabbitt> so if I set the "peer" to 100.5.5.1 lets say, to 62.210.0.1, it suddenly CAN ping the IP (ptp connection)
• 909[08:02:39] <TehRabbitt> somiaj: Yeah i x-posted the question
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• 914[08:03:55] <somiaj> you can just just add peer to the iface stanza, if that doens't work, part of what pre/post up scripts are for
• 915[08:04:13] <somiaj> but as a desktop hobbiest this is out of my experience
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• 918[08:05:16] <TehRabbitt> somiaj: how would I add peer to the iface stanza?
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• 920[08:07:10] <somiaj> I would jsut say peer blah, just like would with gateway, netmask or other settings in the interfaces file
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• 922[08:07:16] <somiaj> it may not work, just a wild guess
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• 924[08:07:47] <Chicken> Hi, i can not find flashplayer in Debian squeeze repository...
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• 936[08:11:01] <smhar> greetings
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• 938[08:11:31] <Chicken> greetings onto yoo
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• 943[08:14:19] <Chicken> I am currently using Knoppix 6.7 (Squeeze-based) and i am looking for flashplayer
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• 945[08:14:32] <TehRabbitt> figured it out... someone over in ##networking found my mistake...
• 946[08:14:47] <TehRabbitt> somiaj: it's "pointopoint" not "pointTopoint"
• 947[08:14:51] <TehRabbitt> I had an extra "t"
• 948[08:14:56] <smhar> I have a laptop with debian stable. I just installed vbox and installed a debian stable in it to use it as LAMP server for learning. My laptop connects to the internet my mobile via usb tethering. It gives me an IP of 192.168.2.67 ! . replaced-url
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• 954[08:18:50] <micw> hi
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• 958[08:19:02] <micw> i installed apache2 + libapache2-mod-php5 on debian 8
• 959[08:19:18] <micw> when i try to start, log shows me: Apache is running a threaded MPM, but your PHP Module is not compiled to be threadsafe. You need to recompile PHP.
• 960[08:19:27] <micw> shouldn't this work together?
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• 963[08:20:41] <somiaj> you mean 192.168.42.67 smhar?
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• 967[08:21:14] <somiaj> smhar: depending on how the network is setup, vbox may have a virtual network setup for the guests and be using NAT between the virtual network and your host's network to get out
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• 971[08:22:11] <somiaj> micw: care to give the output of apt-cache policy apache2 libapache2-mod-php5
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• 973[08:22:38] <smhar> somiaj, you are right .. 192.168.42.67
• 974[08:22:43] <micw> apache: 2.4.10-10+deb8u7
• 975[08:22:51] <somiaj> ,v libapache2-mod-php5
• 976[08:22:51] <micw> libapache2-mod-php5: 5.6.29+dfsg-0+deb8u1
• 977[08:22:53] <judd> Package: libapache2-mod-php5 on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u6; jessie: 5.6.29+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.29+dfsg-0+deb8u1
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• 979[08:23:21] <somiaj> micw: it might be a config option with apache, did you change the apache default config?
• 980[08:23:43] <micw> somiaj, no. it's early isntall phase, so i run on stock config atm
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• 983[08:25:09] <somiaj> micw: seems strange, but I found this..replaced-url
• 984[08:25:32] <somiaj> the second answer about disabling the mpm_event mod and uses mpm_prefok instead
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• 987[08:27:11] <somiaj> micw: replaced-url
• 988[08:27:17] <micw> somiaj, great, this pointed in the right direction:
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• 991[08:27:49] <micw> a2dismod mpm_event; a2dismod mpm_worker; a2enmod mpm_prefork
• 992[08:27:51] <micw> does the job
• 993[08:28:12] <micw> yes, i have read the package doc and installed apache2-mpm-prefork
• 994[08:28:28] <micw> but this was not sufficient because the other worker mod is enabled by default
• 995[08:28:38] <micw> greatd, solved
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• 997[08:28:44] <micw> thank you a lot!
• 998[08:29:21] <smhar> somiaj, as it is, the vbox debian can connect to the net . I actually did a netinstall from a small iso image. my problem is that I want to access the debian in the vbox FROM host debian, specifically.. the webserver
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• 1001[08:30:00] <micw> (i added is as comment to the stackoverflow article)
• 1002[08:30:37] <somiaj> smhar: you should be able to access the ip just fine, I assume vbox sets up the virtual network correctly.
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• 1004[08:31:05] <somiaj> micw: also nice to note it mentions this in the package description and also in /usr/share/doc/packagename (useful places to look for configuration info)
• 1005[08:31:56] <micw> good hit. but if it's not on google, it is not documented ^^
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• 1011[08:33:16] <smhar> somiaj, the host ip is 192.168.42.67 while the vbox debian ip is 10.0.2.15 . when I try to ping the client from the host I get: 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 2016ms
• 1012[08:33:34] <smhar> somiaj, I know little about network configurations :-)
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• 1014[08:33:55] <somiaj> I know little about vbox (I use libvrit with qemu-kvm)
• 1015[08:34:18] <somiaj> anyways, unsrue why it isn't setting up the virtual network to give you access to that address, you may need to look up virtualbox network configuration
• 1016[08:34:34] <smhar> I will do that.. thanks
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• 1020[08:35:44] <smhar> I will also look at qemu-kvm too
• 1021[08:36:09] <smhar> I want something light for the LAMP server
• 1022[08:37:06] <somiaj> Unsure which is lighter, though I don't think virtualbox is going to be in stretch if I recall correctly
• 1023[08:37:09] <somiaj> ,v virtualbox
• 1024[08:37:11] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; sid/contrib: 5.1.14-dfsg-1
• 1025[08:37:49] <somiaj> yea, oracle has set some corprate policy that won't allow the virtual box team to spend time backporting security fixes to the version suppored by stretch, it may be put in via stretch-backports without full security support.
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• 1034[08:41:56] <TARMINQUAYYY> Ken o Keefe : The Punisher in Political debates replaced-url
• 1035[08:42:19] <Logg> Anyone know a way to inverse the colours of a window / x client?
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• 1044[08:44:09] <Texou> Logg: xcalib?
• 1045[08:44:33] <Texou> or negative plugin in Compiz according to your desktop
• 1046[08:44:34] <grawity> some WMs have that as an option, like compiz or kwin
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• 1062[08:57:10] <TARMINQUAYYY> Ken o Keefe : The Punisher in Political debates replaced-url
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• 1069[08:59:48] <LogicDaemon> hi all. I'm using putty → screen → mc. How do I enable ctrl+key combinations?
• 1070[08:59:57] <LogicDaemon> I mean, Ctrl+A works
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• 1072[09:00:09] <LogicDaemon> but Ctrl+Enter or Ctrl+Shift+Enter doesn't
• 1073[09:00:29] <LogicDaemon> (Ctrl+A works for screen)
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• 1079[09:05:35] <MarcoNL> Hi All, goooodmorning.
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• 1082[09:06:17] <LogicDaemon> @MarcoNL hi. Unfortunately, it's silent here
• 1083[09:06:38] <MarcoNL> I'm having trouble with a preseed script. I want it to create some lvm volumes, but it doesn't do any of them. No errors. Is there someone who could help me out by looking at the script?
• 1084[09:06:41] <MarcoNL> Oh to bad
• 1085[09:06:47] <MarcoNL> Happens a lot over here
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• 1088[09:07:27] <MarcoNL> trying for a week now to get some help with this script, but for some weird reason it looks like there is no person here who knows anything about it
• 1089[09:07:42] <MarcoNL> just a bunch of lurkers here I guess
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• 1091[09:08:09] <LogicDaemon> indeed, I came with a noob question, and got null in reply
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• 1094[09:09:01] <MarcoNL> what's up?
• 1095[09:09:18] <MarcoNL> maybe I could ignore you to ;-)
• 1096[09:09:26] <LogicDaemon> @MarcoNL try replaced-url
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• 1105[09:16:57] <jomofcw> Hello !
• 1106[09:17:16] <jomofcw> I would like to check if there's already a SMTP server installed on my debian. How can I check this ?
• 1107[09:17:41] <jomofcw> Postfix isn't installed, but I'm pretty sure it was able to send e-mail in the past... so something should be installed.
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• 1124[09:25:00] <smhar> what is the program to install to get the mouse pointer working in a commandline debian?
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• 1128[09:26:09] <awal1> smhar: gpm
• 1129[09:26:17] <smhar> thanks
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• 1139[09:30:25] <rootd00d_> when does gnome-shell become available in unstable? :)
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• 1143[09:32:12] <rootd00d_> gnome-shell is always "held back," and i'm not sure why.
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• 1147[09:33:23] <rootd00d_> it just tells me gnome-shell >= 3.19 is not going to be installed
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• 1151[09:34:51] <liveuser> how to install Debian alongside Fedora/Korora in a dual boot setup?
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• 1160[09:38:37] <GPenguin> liveuser: where exactly is your struggle?
• 1161[09:38:50] <gry2> hi, in sources.list what are the categories names? 'main' 'non-free' (or nonfree ?),, extra (or contrib?) I do not remember, doing a fresh install, would like more apps available
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• 1164[09:39:23] <gry2> please give names, i am not able to browse the web atm, doing irc from telent
• 1165[09:39:29] <gry2> telnet
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• 1167[09:40:15] <gry2> actually with this little set, irssi is available, i'll switch over soon
• 1168[09:40:16] <n4dir1> main contrib non-free
• 1169[09:40:18] <GPenguin> gry2: have a look at replaced-url
• 1170[09:40:30] <gry2> thanks n4dir1!
• 1171[09:40:38] <jim> gry2, main, contrib, non-free
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• 1173[09:41:10] <n4dir1> gry2: if unsure, install pastebinit and do "pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" after you edited, then - somehow - give the link here
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• 1175[09:41:29] <n4dir1> after editing. If it worked, then there is no reason to pastebin it. duh
• 1176[09:41:30] <jim> gone
• 1177[09:41:34] <gry2> thanks jim as well, i am trying to get nonfree intel wifi going
• 1178[09:41:38] <gry2> irssi now , much easier
• 1179[09:41:41] <liveuser> I am unable to get the live usb of Debian Jessie detected during bootup.
• 1180[09:42:05] <liveuser> Same is the case with a Debian stable based distro MX16.
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• 1182[09:42:21] <jim> gry2, can you lspci -nn | grep -i net
• 1183[09:42:34] <gry2> i forget the package name, i remember it's iwlwifi, but apt doesn't seem to see it.. i would be unable to copy paste from here
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• 1185[09:42:43] <jim> you'll see the pciids, they look like [1234:abcd]
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• 1187[09:42:50] <gry2> ok
• 1188[09:43:01] <stew> rootd00d_: when you try "apt install gnome-shell" it will say "..because foo isn't going to be installed" or some such, so next try "apt install foo", and keep following this until you find a root cause, then ask again
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• 1191[09:43:22] <gry2> 8086:4222
• 1192[09:43:28] <gry2> jim, ^
• 1193[09:43:36] <gry2> it's at the line end
• 1194[09:43:41] <stew> judd: pciid 8086:4222
• 1195[09:43:42] <judd> [8086:4222] is 'PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel', 'iwl3945' in jessie. See also replaced-url
• 1196[09:43:47] <gry2> yes
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• 1198[09:43:54] <gry2> which package names ?
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• 1200[09:44:21] <gry2> iwl3945 sounds like the right module, sound has no relation to this, not sure why it gives 'snd-hda-intel1' in the reply :)
• 1201[09:44:49] <gry2> oh yay
• 1202[09:44:56] <jim> gry2, it works?
• 1203[09:44:57] <gry2> firmware-iwlwifi
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• 1205[09:45:09] <gry2> will check - going to install it and read how to configure
• 1206[09:45:33] <gry2> i remember i need to configure wpa supplicant and /etc/network/interfaces ? then the wireless starts to work, or there is a more modern cli tool ?
• 1207[09:46:07] <gry2> thanks stew, jim
• 1208[09:46:15] <jim> usually you just need the firmware and the right module.... other than that, /etc/network/interfaces\
• 1209[09:46:37] <jim> you might need wpa-supplicant
• 1210[09:46:45] <gry2> i'll try without wpa and see whether it works
• 1211[09:47:05] <jim> we can see if it scans at least
• 1212[09:47:40] <stew> who maintains judd these days?
• 1213[09:47:51] <jim> themill?
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• 1215[09:48:06] <gry2> yeah it says so in the cloak
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• 1222[09:49:11] <stew> ahh, ok, I thought perhaps it had gone to j*lly
• 1223[09:49:15] <jim> gry2, curious, what did you need to telnet?
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• 1225[09:50:16] <jim> stew, I never knew jelly wanted it
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• 1227[09:50:49] <jim> or that themill didn'/t want to do it anymore
• 1228[09:50:51] <gry2> wiki suggests 'ip link set wlan0 up'
• 1229[09:51:01] <gry2> i'm just lazy to install a gui, i would like to get internet working first
• 1230[09:51:07] <gry2> this is a netinstall minimum
• 1231[09:51:20] <jim> gry2, do you have a wlan0 yet?
• 1232[09:51:35] <gry2> and the default sources.list is minimal, i didn't realise i already can install irssi, so i telnet'ed in
• 1233[09:51:41] <gry2> not yet
• 1234[09:51:47] <gry2> reading a debiwn wiki page on wifi as a start
• 1235[09:51:57] <gry2> because i don't remember what to write in /etc/netowrk/interfaces exactly
• 1236[09:52:09] <n4dir1> gry2: the default sources.list with only main is anything but minima
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• 1239[09:52:24] <n4dir1> on a side note.
• 1240[09:52:58] <jim> probably it's only the base so far
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• 1242[09:53:06] <gry2> yea i just paniced as wifi isn't here, i didn't think of installing other stuff
• 1243[09:53:22] <gry2> i realize wifi is in nonfre and irssi is probably main
• 1244[09:53:34] <stew> jim: I have no idea, looks like I'm wrong, looking at the git history now
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• 1246[09:53:55] <jim> stew, oh ok
• 1247[09:54:00] <n4dir1> gry2: you are connected via cable right now?
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• 1249[09:54:22] <stew> and nobody but th*mill has made a commit since me, so I guess its still all he :)
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• 1252[09:54:40] <jim> gry2, does ifconfig -a show wlan0?
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• 1254[09:55:15] <gry2> yes
• 1255[09:55:46] <MarcoNL> Hi guys, anyone in allready with preseed experience? I could really need some help with my script. It doesn't create my lvm setup
• 1256[09:55:51] <n4dir1> so no big problems? i guess ...
• 1257[09:56:13] <jim> so the driver is working (or maybe)... let's see... set the interface up as in the wiki, then do iwlist scan
• 1258[09:56:33] <jim> (maybe you don't have iwlist, I don't remember if it's in the base)
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• 1261[09:57:32] <gry2> jim , iwlist scan says 'Mode: Master', is wireless-mode in /etc/network/interfaces it ?
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• 1264[09:58:16] <jim> I never came across that
• 1265[09:58:39] <gry2> mean i can write /etc/network/interfaces without the wireless-mode ?
• 1266[09:58:53] <jim> is there anything in the interfaces file?
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• 1268[09:59:08] <jim> maybe your wired interface and lo are in there
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• 1270[10:00:05] <jim> you can /msg me the whole file if you want
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• 1273[10:00:55] <n4dir1> replaced-url
• 1274[10:01:29] <gry2> yes it has lo and eth0 already, i added wlan0
• 1275[10:01:36] <n4dir1> contains the entry for the interfaces file. Not sure if that helps, as i always use wicd for wireless
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• 1278[10:02:23] <gry2> i'll re-connect with eth0 if this does not work
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• 1284[10:05:59] <jim> gry says it scanned before, so I assume well on the way
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• 1286[10:06:36] <smhar> somiaj, which on should I choose? KVM or qemu? I don't know the difference
• 1287[10:07:05] <jim> you can do both kvm and qemu
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• 1290[10:08:33] <jim> and to configure it you can use libvirt and virt-manager
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• 1295[10:09:42] <jim> I think one of those requires that your cpu can do hardware virtualization and the module is inserted
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• 1297[10:09:49] <gry2> i tried over wlan0, using 'service networking restart' and 'ifup wlan0', but it says 'no dhcp offers received'
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• 1300[10:09:58] <gry2> came back using eth0
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• 1302[10:10:38] <jim> maybe we can get your wlan going while you're connected on the wired
• 1303[10:10:59] <n4dir1> does systemd still use "service ... " as a command?
• 1304[10:11:03] <colo-work> wtf
• 1305[10:11:05] <gry2> yes
• 1306[10:11:07] <gry2> it does
• 1307[10:11:14] <n4dir1> okay
• 1308[10:11:18] <colo-work> the new qemu 2.8 packages from jessie-backports seem to depend on a LOT of Xorg-related stuff...
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• 1311[10:12:11] <colo-work> can apt-get do a similar job as aptitude with the "why" command?
• 1312[10:12:15] <jim> colo-work, that might be because virt-manager is a gui config program for the virtual guests
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• 1316[10:12:50] <colo-work> jim, I'm not using libvirt, however
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• 1318[10:13:04] <colo-work> replaced-url
• 1319[10:13:10] <n4dir1> colo-work: i don't think apt-get has a similar option
• 1320[10:13:29] <colo-work> this host is part of a ganeti cluster
• 1321[10:13:32] <jim> I don't know the alternatives to libvirt,,, so I'd have to be out of that conversation
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• 1323[10:13:48] <colo-work> it will always run qemu headless
• 1324[10:14:10] <jim> see, I never did that before
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• 1326[10:15:29] <jim> the guest I have has x which displays to a virt-manager window
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• 1329[10:16:28] <colo-work> yeah, I know that option. qemu offers as much by itself, using the SDL interface
• 1330[10:17:04] <gry2> jim, not sure what to do next
• 1331[10:17:09] <jim> I probably want to try that
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• 1335[10:19:23] <jim> gry2, I see two alternatives... either find out how to get the dhcp to feed wireless connections, or maybe try static on a temp basis... do you have an internal masq?
• 1336[10:19:25] <colo-work> from the changelog:
• 1337[10:19:25] <colo-work> * switch from sdl1 to gtk3 (Closes: #839695)
• 1338[10:19:26] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1339[10:20:56] <jim> gry2, but, I'm pretty sure your wireless card is working and supported by the driver
• 1340[10:21:00] <colo-work> replaced-url
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• 1342[10:21:39] <colo-work> ah, it's being reverted for stretch
• 1343[10:22:19] <smhar> jim, I insalled both and now aqemu asks me which emulator to use
• 1344[10:23:15] <jim> hmm, I don't have something called aqemu
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• 1346[10:24:14] <smhar> what I want is to install a debian client in my debian host .. it will be a terminal LAMP with phpmyadmin.. then I can access from the host ..
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• 1348[10:25:10] <gry2> jim driver is working, i need to instruct it what network to connect to and it's super hard, i'll reboot and try connman and then come here again, maybe copy the config from another laptop when it's free
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• 1350[10:25:24] <jim> wait
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• 1352[10:25:36] <jim> or not :/
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• 1364[10:31:45] <debrisRat> hi friends :)
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• 1367[10:34:47] <jim> hi
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• 1376[10:39:50] <extor> After installing xrdp I was amazed at how easily I was able to RDP to my remote VM. However, the desktop or window manager looks extremely plain. I'm wondering whether xrdp has it's own barebones null window manager or whether it can bind to a fancier window manager of one's own choosing ┐_(ツ)_┌
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• 1383[10:41:48] <jim> hi gry, what did you find out?
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• 1386[10:44:11] <n4dir1> extor: the mighty web says you want to configure the wm in /etc/xrdp/startwm.sh.
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• 1388[10:45:14] <MarcoNL> Anyone who can help me out with this: replaced-url
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• 1399[10:50:20] <extor> Ahh so I would need to install the wm too then
• 1400[10:50:40] <extor> Ultimate goal is to try and run wine on it. I'm guessing KDE may be best for that
• 1401[10:51:46] <jim> gry2, I can't tell much that you don't already know... the card's working, and trying to get a dhcp server to respond to it
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• 1404[10:53:34] <jim> what wireless device is responding to your card?
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• 1408[10:55:44] <jim> do you have a wireless... router? access point?
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• 1414[10:59:07] <n4dir1> no clue, all i see are the rfkill messages, had such problems in the past, but don't remember much. e.g. replaced-url
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• 1416[11:00:18] <jim> I think there is a configured dhcp that;s serving the wired net, but not responding to the wireless side for some reason
• 1417[11:00:30] <jim> gry2, do you have a wireless... router? access point?
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• 1420[11:01:52] <gry2> router, in 5cm from my right hand :P
• 1421[11:01:53] <MarcoNL> Come on guys!!! serious? I've been asking about help with a preseed script for over a week now. And there is not one response. There are around 1200!!! people in here. What are all of you doing here?? Just lurkers??
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• 1423[11:02:25] <bezaban> yep
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• 1425[11:02:53] <jim> MarcoNL, I never did a preseed setup or look at preseeding
• 1426[11:03:33] <MarcoNL> Oh it's not to you jim, I see a couple of people answering questions, but the rest is just filling up the user list with their name
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• 1428[11:04:00] <jim> gry2, is the router making a masqed net?
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• 1432[11:07:00] <gry2> what is a masked net ?
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• 1454[11:16:52] <jim> gry2, ip masquerade... it uses unroutable IPs (like 192.168.* or 10.* and the routing function is to make machines on the internal net having those IPs get to the real internet
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• 1457[11:18:35] <jim> gry2, it might be as simple as configuring the router to have the dhcp apply to incoming wireless connections
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• 1459[11:19:42] <jim> an alternative to try might to try a static ip, but the only issue there is I don't know what net you're on
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• 1461[11:20:05] <gry2> yes it has lan ips
• 1462[11:20:48] <jomofcw> Is it possible that, by default, the port 25 is kinda blocked using debian ? I've got postfix unable to send any mail because of time out connection error. Accord to this replaced-url
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• 1464[11:20:55] <jim> you might have to alter its settings to have it offer those IPs over dhcp to incoming wireless connections
• 1465[11:21:29] <jim> jomofcw, maybe your isp is blocking port 25
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• 1467[11:21:58] <bezaban> yeah, a lot of ISPs block 25 and require you to use their relay
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• 1469[11:22:11] <petn-randall> !tell jomofcw -about crosspost
• 1470[11:22:12] <jim> but that's a total guess, informed by a couple of past experiences
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• 1473[11:22:47] <petn-randall> jomofcw: it's considered impolite to ask in several channels at once (in this case #postfix), see the explanation dpkg sent you.
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• 1480[11:27:04] <jelly> jomofcw: it's not blocked by default, no
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• 1483[11:27:46] <Absynthia> hello
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• 1498[11:32:17] <jomofcw> jim hello ! Probably not : I can contact it using telnet on my Windows computer, but not telnet it from my Debian server.
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• 1501[11:33:28] <jomofcw> petn-randall #postfix seems to be a ghost channel, and i ask it one hour ago. I concider that I can ask now here about it.
• 1502[11:34:18] <g0zzy> Have there been reports of problems following recent (seemingly quite large) updates including kernel? My clients dual boot has disappeared and another's machine was borked following an update (though that could have been a coincidence)
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• 1524[11:45:37] <petn-randall> jomofcw: Can you paste the command + output you're using on the Debian machine to replaced-url
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• 1536[11:49:39] <jomofcw> petn-randall Ok I give you this, thanks !
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• 1542[11:51:04] <jomofcw> petn-randall not sure if it's what you asked for : replaced-url
• 1543[11:51:53] <jomofcw> this is the command line that give me the log : replaced-url
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• 1549[11:53:55] <jomofcw> petn-randall and here is the telnet command I perform on the server (fail) and on my local computer (success) : replaced-url
• 1550[11:53:57] <ChrisH> jomofcw: and what is the problem? Last Log shows: connect to mx2.free.fr[212.27.42.58]:25: Connection timed out
• 1551[11:54:23] <ChrisH> jomofcw: you need to test mx2.free.fr
• 1552[11:54:36] <jomofcw> ChrisH hello ! The connection timed out is the problem :/.
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• 1554[11:55:25] <jomofcw> ChrisH test done on mx2.free.fr : same result > server fail and local computer succeed.
• 1555[11:55:48] <jomofcw> Same ISP/internet connexion on both the server and my local computer.
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• 1558[11:58:57] <petn-randall> jomofcw: Is aspmx.l.google.com your mail server?
• 1559[11:59:03] <ChrisH> jomofcw: You might compare a) nslookup mx2.free.fr on both systems b) run traceroute mx2.free.fr on both and compare c) check for activated firewalls on routers. German telekom disables Port 25 on their speedports to prevent Spams via infected windows systems
• 1560[11:59:41] <petn-randall> jomofcw: What ChrisH said is my 2nd guess. Where is your mail server running?
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• 1569[12:02:40] <petn-randall> jomofcw: Try running the following: "mtr -t -T -P 25 212.27.42.58" both on your local machine and on your mail server. This will show you where the packet gets dropped. You can also show us the output.
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• 1578[12:06:28] <jomofcw> My local computer is running windows :: no mtr in so :/.
• 1579[12:06:49] <jomofcw> and no mtr on my server too :/... I need to install some packet ?
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• 1582[12:07:41] <jomofcw> I'm probably doing something wrong...
• 1583[12:07:42] <petn-randall> jomofcw: Yes, the package is called 'mtr-tiny'.
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• 1585[12:08:54] <jomofcw> mtr stop at my local IP on the server :S.
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• 1593[12:10:39] <temp-wifirepeate> At boot time my laptop associates to my wireless router and i get an ip address but can not access the internet. But if after login i do iwconfig wlan0 rate 1M && ifconfig wlan0 up i can succcesfully connect to the internet. What file do i need to edit to permanently set wlan0's Bit Rate to 1M?
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• 1608[12:13:35] <petn-randall> jomofcw: Can you show us the output?
• 1609[12:14:43] <jomofcw> petn-randall sure, here is the server output : replaced-url
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• 1611[12:15:06] <jomofcw> Can't perform the same on windows, tracert seems to not take the port as an option :/
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• 1635[12:23:24] <hmuller> I am running debconf-set-selections FILE; debconf-show PACKAGE shows the changes; but dpkg-reconfigure PACKAGE, does not use the changes. Is this normal?
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• 1651[12:31:14] <petn-randall> jomofcw: Is this a docker image or some virtualized machine?
• 1652[12:31:37] <jomofcw> none.
• 1653[12:31:38] <petn-randall> or vagrant?
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• 1655[12:31:56] <jomofcw> Classic install on a physical machine. I use it as my web dev server.
• 1656[12:32:09] <petn-randall> jomofcw: And this is Debian 8?
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• 1658[12:32:49] <jomofcw> petn-randall yes !
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• 1660[12:33:34] <ChrisH> jomofcw: Did I get that correct. you have to Debian system and one of then does not reach the Mailserver. Both are located in the same network.
• 1661[12:34:23] <jomofcw> ChrisH not exactly : I have a local computer running windows that reach hostname with port 25, and a Debian server which doesn't.
• 1662[12:35:04] <jomofcw> My debian server is kinda in "default" configuration, i didn't change many thing (just installing few packets as MariaDB and postfix for example).
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• 1667[12:35:36] <petn-randall> jomofcw: And they're both on the same network?
• 1668[12:36:02] <jomofcw> petn-randall yup !
• 1669[12:36:08] <jomofcw> same isp, same network.
• 1670[12:36:32] <ChrisH> jomofcw: can you show us on paste.debian.net ifconfig -a ; netstat -rn ; iptables -L -n and similar outputs from the windows box
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• 1674[12:39:27] <jomofcw> ChrisH here is the debian one : replaced-url
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• 1680[12:42:18] <petn-randall> jomofcw: I would check if the firewall on 192.168.1.1 is set up correctly.
• 1681[12:42:20] <jomofcw> Dunno how to get the iptables equivalent for windows :/.
• 1682[12:42:42] <asdasdasd> I am trying to set vlan config on my etherdevice during the debian-installer with ip link add link dev name dev.name vlan 400 but I get: "IP: RTNETLINK answers: Operation not supported" Can someone help me with solving this? I am using qeth as kernel module for my network interfaces
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• 1684[12:42:59] <jomofcw> petn-randall I don't have access to the firewal config on the main server :(.
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• 1686[12:43:37] <ChrisH> jomofcw: forget about the iptables on windows.
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• 1688[12:43:54] <petn-randall> jomofcw: That's what your (edited) mtr output says where the problem is, though.
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• 1691[12:44:54] <jomofcw> petn-randall OK so according to you I may ask to my net admin to check the firewal on the main server, right ?
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• 1698[12:48:13] <yottanami_> How should I load .Xdefaults ?
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• 1703[12:49:27] <crashev> hello, any idea when this replaced-url
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• 1711[12:53:24] <petn-randall> jomofcw: That's what your mtr output suggests, yes.
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• 1723[12:58:50] <hmuller> yottanami_: (short) xrdb can load .Xdefaults (long) I think current practice is to use .Xresources and .Xresources.d/, if an app is still looking for .Xdefaults, maybe create a symlink from .Xdefaults to .Xresources
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• 1725[12:59:23] <jomofcw> petn-randall OK, thanks. I send him an email. Thanks for your help, thanks ChrisH too.
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• 1750[13:11:46] <MarcoNL> interfac
• 1751[13:12:00] <MarcoNL> sorry.. wrong channel
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• 1754[13:12:55] <MarcoNL> anywayzz.. could anyone help me out with this: replaced-url
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• 1757[13:15:45] <petn-randall> MarcoNL: I guess you'll get a response on SE soon.
• 1758[13:15:52] <petn-randall> !tell MarcoNL -about crosspost
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• 1774[13:29:14] <temp-wifirepeate> i have to say that my AP wireless network and the wireless repeater would have different essids, Mywirelessnetwork and repeater.
• 1775[13:29:55] <MarcoNL> crosspost?
• 1776[13:30:14] <MarcoNL> petn-randall: what do you mean?
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• 1784[13:35:32] <rafalcpp> Hurr local root exploit thaks to SystemD. It's good we switched to SystemD, that is the trendy thing to do hurrr. replaced-url
• 1785[13:36:40] <rafalcpp> systemd upstream fixes it quietly
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• 1789[13:37:15] <grawity> hurr let's assign a CVE to something that's not actually exploitable because the kernel doesn't let you write to setuid files, but let's ignore that for now because OMG CVE hurr
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• 1791[13:37:17] <rafalcpp> when can debian return to by default and fully support init systems developed by competent devs? Or is Devuan the only option for that
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• 1793[13:38:28] <rafalcpp> grawity: they claim it is exploitable by replaced-url
• 1794[13:38:35] <temp-wifirepeate> the script i am after should run on a GNU/Linux distro that supports systemd like Debian 8 and the upcoming Debian 9.
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• 1797[13:40:17] <grawity> rafalcpp: yes I did replaced-url
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• 1800[13:43:37] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: systemd rants go to /dev/null please. If you have constructive feedback, help fixing the issue. If you want to have sysv init supported in the future, work on that. But ranting in here won't get you anywhere.
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• 1802[13:44:52] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: There's a reason why Devuan never got a stable release out of the door even though they could have just taken wheeze, slapped a new name on it, and just released it (since wheezy works fine without systemd).
• 1803[13:45:05] <rafalcpp> grawity: indeed. same for appending with echo bar >> foo, as user, to chmod 07777 file
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• 1807[13:47:00] <rafalcpp> grawity: but maybe other way to use that exists. If you think you know better, why not contact replaced-url
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• 1810[13:47:58] <petn-randall> > introduced in v228, fixed in v229 (never part of a stable release)
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• 1812[13:48:10] <n4dir> petn-randall: wheezy / stable is not the problem. testing is the problem (and sid)
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• 1815[13:49:23] <petn-randall> n4dir: What is "the problem" though?
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• 1818[13:49:37] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: was it ever part of a Debian release then? because it's "fixed" on replaced-url
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• 1821[13:50:08] <n4dir> last time i checked, and it is quite a bit ago, that more and more debian apps add dependencies on systemd and libsystemd0
• 1822[13:50:09] <rafalcpp> wheezy 44-11+deb7u4 fixed - fixed means that it was never affected by it?
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• 1824[13:50:23] <grawity> and imho, if there are holes in the kernel's setuid-clearing, then... get a CVE for the kernel instead.
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• 1827[13:50:50] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: You did real the whole page, did you?
• 1828[13:52:11] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: wheezy has systemd v44, jessie has v215. It was introduced in v228. What does that tell you?
• 1829[13:52:26] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: Hint: If you don't know it, it also written there for you in the notes.
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• 1835[13:55:36] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: ok. though then isn't the name "fixed" a bit confusing, it was never broken at all in that version
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• 1842[13:56:41] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: Agreed, but that's why there is also more verbose information on that page.
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• 1847[13:57:43] <asdasdasd> I have a problem. I wanna use the kernel module "8021q" to be able to vlan-tag my ethernet interfaces. Somehow this module doesn't exist in my system? Im using Kernel 3.16.0-4-s390x(Debian 3.16.39-1). Reading the documentation it shoudl be present. I'm trying to find it with find / -name "*.ko" but doesnt seem to find it anywhere.. Seomone can help
• 1848[13:57:43] <asdasdasd> me in the right direction?
• 1849[13:58:01] <abrotman> asdasdasd: what is the config option? is it compiled in?
• 1850[13:58:15] <tx> which documentation?
• 1851[13:58:43] <grawity> abrotman: grep CONFIG_VLAN_8021Q /boot/config*
• 1852[13:58:46] <tx> asdasdasd: that module comes with `vlan`
• 1853[13:58:47] <tx> the package.
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• 1855[13:59:03] <tx> I don't think it's put in by default.
• 1856[13:59:11] <asdasdasd> ...so basically I need to compile the vlan package into m ydebian-installer?
• 1857[13:59:12] <grawity> tx: it's been part of the kernel for many years
• 1858[13:59:17] <asdasdasd> I'm stuck in the installer cos I need to vlan tag my traffic
• 1859[13:59:24] <asdasdasd> But can't cos I don't have the module
• 1860[13:59:30] <grawity> tx: the vlan package only has the old vconfig tool
• 1861[13:59:42] <tx> grawity: ah, I need to update myself. :(
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• 1863[14:00:03] <grawity> asdasdasd: what happens if you just try to create the vlan?
• 1864[14:00:11] <asdasdasd> Operation not supported
• 1865[14:00:15] <asdasdasd> by RTNETLINK
• 1866[14:00:25] <grawity> probably not included in the installer, then
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• 1873[14:04:23] <abrotman> grawity: not me :)
• 1874[14:04:44] <asdasdasd> grawity: OK, so I guess I need to compile the 8021q module into my installer?
• 1875[14:04:47] <abrotman> asdasdasd: you can finish the install without the netowrk, and configure it, then install everything else you need?
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• 1878[14:05:23] <asdasdasd> abrotman I cant cos I need to tag it to the correct vlan (which is the only way to get traffic through to external networks)
• 1879[14:05:50] <asdasdasd> abrotman: the installer wants to fetch the rtest of the installation packages through http
• 1880[14:05:56] <asdasdasd> ...and for that it needs a working connection
• 1881[14:05:58] <abrotman> huh?
• 1882[14:06:14] <abrotman> asdasdasd: no, it's trying to do that because you tell it to .. you can skip that step
• 1883[14:06:29] <abrotman> unless you're using the bizcard installer, which I don't recommend doing anyway
• 1884[14:06:40] <abrotman> I don't even know if that's still a thing
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• 1888[14:07:02] <asdasdasd> abrotman: humm, touche. I guess I didnt try pass that step and just "let it roll" so see if it passes
• 1889[14:07:08] <asdasdasd> abrotman Ima do that and see if it bootsa
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• 1894[14:08:20] <abrotman> is this weird english-italian debian chata?
• 1895[14:08:22] <abrotman> :)
• 1896[14:08:27] <stoned> LOL
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• 1898[14:08:58] <stoned> Like Sanskrit. Put an 'a' at the en do fevery word when typing in English.
• 1899[14:09:00] <rafalcpp> grawity: that .c file linked there, says it is designed to work around kernel dropping of SUID when file is written.
• 1900[14:09:11] <grawity> sounds like a kernel bug to me
• 1901[14:09:52] <asdasdasd> abrotman: ofcorsa it isa
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• 1903[14:10:18] <asdasdasd> abrotman: Right now it wants me to ssh to continue the installation
• 1904[14:10:59] <asdasdasd> abrotman: I can't the interface isnt set to the correct vlan (cos I can't se it). there's no way for me to finish the instalalation? (through Debian Installer)
• 1905[14:12:07] <asdasdasd> Im in a BusyBox v1.22.1
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• 1907[14:13:41] <abrotman> ssh to finisht the isntallation?
• 1908[14:13:45] <abrotman> which installer did you use?
• 1909[14:13:50] <asdasdasd> Debian Installer
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• 1911[14:14:36] <asdasdasd> I've downloaded a 4.4gb ISO-image for the s390 platform. when i boot it, it displays "Debian Installer" in my text-terminal
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• 1913[14:14:54] <asdasdasd> I'm in the "main menu"
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• 1920[14:19:53] <newcoder> I'm getting this error: replaced-url
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• 1924[14:20:13] <hmuller> Having difficulty reconfiguring locales noninteractively, need fresh eyes: replaced-url
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• 1931[14:28:24] <hmuller> newcoder: assuming you are using a mac to open the file later, looks like you will need to reduce the size of the backup
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• 1938[14:30:36] <newcoder> I'm not using mac
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• 1942[14:31:52] <hmuller> newcoder: then if using windows or linux, add the file. but then test to make sure you can successfully open the file later when you need it.
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• 1950[14:38:25] <rafalcpp> grawity: does POSIX / Linux define that a file that was SUID, after being written to, is atomially seen as either SUID old version, or new version no-SUID?
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• 1952[14:38:37] <rafalcpp> atomically. I can't find it, where is that defined?
• 1953[14:39:08] <rafalcpp> (written to by not-root user I prsume)
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• 1980[14:55:54] <grawity> rafalcpp: yes replaced-url
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• 1982[14:56:15] <grawity> rafalcpp: well no, that's not the right one
• 1983[14:56:43] <grawity> though the removal has been present since 2.3.43
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• 1995[15:00:47] <CuriousWombat> Hi!! I'm trying to preseed an apt-cacher mirror in debian installer for ubuntu, but it keeps ignoring it, I've tried thousands of options, none of them working. And also, does anybody know how to perfom installations so I can check if mirror is correctly set, instead of waiting until the installation finished and checking /var/log/installer/syslog?
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• 2027[15:21:21] <TinyTux> Hi
• 2028[15:21:55] <TinyTux> The linux kernel 4.10 is gonne be LTS while 4.8 not, and stretch uses 4.8 ... what's your plan now? Just for my interest :)
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• 2030[15:22:42] <TinyTux> Oh, and 4.8 is already EOL o_O
• 2031[15:22:45] <babilen> TinyTux: The Kernel Debian ends up using will be LTS
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• 2034[15:23:07] <TinyTux> babilen: What do you mean? They won't use LTS anymore?
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• 2037[15:23:13] <babilen> (just check who was the kernel maintainer for LTS in the kernel team and compare that to the list of kernel maintainers in Debian)
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• 2039[15:23:52] <babilen> TinyTux: I am saying that there is a bit of an overlap between Debian kernel package maintainers and upstream kernel maintainers
• 2040[15:24:33] <TinyTux> ok
• 2041[15:25:09] <grawity> I thought 4.9 was LTS?
• 2042[15:25:20] <babilen> replaced-url
• 2043[15:25:21] <TinyTux> 4.10 will be the next LTS iirc
• 2044[15:25:23] <babilen> grawity: It is
• 2045[15:25:39] <tomcres> I thought gkh confirmed that 4.8 was going to be LTS
• 2046[15:25:44] <babilen> He did
• 2047[15:25:52] <babilen> No, 4.9 was confirmed
• 2048[15:25:58] <babilen> (which will be used in stretch)
• 2049[15:26:07] <jelly> he thought it was going to be 4.8 but decided on 4.9 later
• 2050[15:26:07] <TinyTux> Oh, you are right, .9 becomes LTS
• 2051[15:26:11] <TinyTux> * 4.9
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• 2053[15:26:40] <jelly> dpkg: confuse TinyTux
• 2054[15:26:40] <dpkg> Yes, what is their gerbil today, TinyTux? Pants of the People's Republic of Swaziland with extra ham.
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• 2056[15:27:16] <TinyTux> wut?
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• 2066[15:29:45] <toruvinn> this is "a bit" offtopic, but does anyone know any good papers on cluster node failure detection? (actually im thinking more about things like redis/RDBMS or whatever, but that'd still apply i guess)
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• 2071[15:33:05] <TinyTux> I'm confused, my kernel cimpiling works on jessie, but stretch gives me openssl headers errors (It is installed ...)
• 2072[15:33:08] <TinyTux> o_O
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• 2076[15:33:42] <petn-randall> !debian-next
• 2077[15:33:42] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 2085[15:37:37] <TvL2386> hey guys, looking at the "wajig" package management tool meant to unify lots of apt* commands. I was particularly interested in the `wajig local-dist-upgrade` command ("Dist-upgrade using packages already downloaded").
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• 2088[15:38:07] <TvL2386> this would fit my need for downloading packages at a certain point in time, update test environment immediately and update the production environment a few days later
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• 2092[15:38:35] <TvL2386> however this feature seems to be missing from wajig 2.13 and wajig 2.17 which I've installed for testing purposes
• 2093[15:38:45] <petn-randall> ,v wajig
• 2094[15:38:47] <judd> Package: wajig on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.7.3; stretch: 2.17; jessie: 2.17; sid: 2.18.1; stretch: 2.18.1
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• 2104[15:42:34] <petn-randall> TvL2386: I could provide you with the apt commands needed, though I don't know wajig so I can't tell you the wajig equivalents.
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• 2108[15:44:12] <TvL2386> thanks petn-randall. I'm also not familiar with wajig. I'm looking for a solution to update the test environment and make sure the production environment installs the exact same updates but at a later moment
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• 2112[15:44:51] <TvL2386> and this `wajig local-dist-upgrade` seemed to be perfect to have a single download moment and an install moment of my choosing
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• 2117[15:46:33] <TvL2386> what came to mind, but is _WRONG_: apt-get update && apt-get clean && apt-get dist-upgrade -y --download-only && mv /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb /root/updates
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• 2120[15:46:42] <TvL2386> and then at a later time: dpkg -i *.deb
• 2121[15:46:59] <TvL2386> but... meh.... that marks all packages as installed instead of being pulled in as dependency
• 2122[15:47:30] <TvL2386> so I'm very curious if you would have an idea
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• 2125[15:49:08] <TvL2386> I'm also looking at aptitude if it might have something interesting on this matter
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• 2132[15:54:00] <petn-randall> !kiss
• 2133[15:54:00] <dpkg> [kiss] Keep It Simple Stupid!!!
• 2134[15:54:24] <petn-randall> TvL2386: I'd just run 'apt update && apt upgrade' on the test machine, and then the same on production.
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• 2138[15:54:55] <TvL2386> I'm in a different situation... I have to update test... then ask the customer to test... then in a few days I have to do production
• 2139[15:55:05] <TvL2386> and I have to make sure production is not getting newer stuff than test
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• 2141[15:55:39] <petn-randall> TvL2386: Are you shipping any 3rd party packages?
• 2142[15:55:42] <Brigo> TvL2386, sounds very funny
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• 2144[15:56:14] <TvL2386> petn-randall, no everything is from the default repositories. I do have a mariadb-ppa on a ubuntu server
• 2145[15:56:26] <TvL2386> that's a bit contradictory though... sorry :)
• 2146[15:56:29] <tw> You should push for decoupling your system administration from your product releases. You're going to be significantly delayed on your security updates based on your current update model.
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• 2157[15:58:32] <petn-randall> TvL2386: For Debian there is a strict "only security bugfixes" policy for stable, so you nearly blindly just upgrade all the time. Can't say the same for Ubuntu and their PPAs, though.
• 2158[15:58:34] <TvL2386> ok ok... but what's best practice! I read a lot of different things on the net
• 2159[15:58:53] <petn-randall> TvL2386: I just install unattended-upgrades and let it do the job.
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• 2162[15:59:17] <TvL2386> petn-randall, and unattended-upgrades simply upgrades all
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• 2164[15:59:34] <petn-randall> TvL2386: In the default setting, it just install security updates.
• 2165[15:59:35] <TvL2386> ?
• 2166[15:59:45] <TvL2386> yeah I know petn-randall
• 2167[15:59:56] <TvL2386> but you do all?
• 2168[16:00:18] <petn-randall> TvL2386: no, I just do security updates.
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• 2170[16:00:25] <TvL2386> ah check
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• 2174[16:01:07] <petn-randall> TvL2386: you can also set it to send you a mail of the changelog.
• 2175[16:01:23] <TvL2386> sounds good
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• 2178[16:03:01] <tw> It depends on how much you pull in from the base system in your application. If you're mixing static and dynamic linking, you're in for pain. In general, I've not had problems with application code only pulling in security updates.
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• 2180[16:03:53] <tw> If it's only scripts or VM interpreted stuff, you'll probably be able to ride out any update without noticing anything.
• 2181[16:03:54] <petn-randall> tw: If you statically link, you need to re-compile your application on every library update, anyway.
• 2182[16:04:17] <tw> You don't *need* to update at all. That's the point of static linking.
• 2183[16:04:23] <tw> You should, of course.
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• 2187[16:05:45] <petn-randall> tw: Sure, I just thought we're talking about update strategies. "Not updating" is a possible, but probably the worst option.
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• 2195[16:07:59] <tw> I tend to treat product updates and system updates separately. Product updates have to go through significant testing internally where system updates should have gone through that qualification externally.
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• 2198[16:08:26] <TvL2386> thanks for the feedback
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• 2216[16:16:23] <darxmurf> hum what can I do to delete a folder which return "rm: cannot remove `test': Directory not empty" even with rm -rf ? There is a weird file called "ChIN¼ò½éÒ³QCPE Ã?¿»¯³ÌÃ?ò½»»»" inside :-/
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• 2218[16:16:37] <darxmurf> TAB kills my shell when I try type the filename in question
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• 2220[16:16:56] <darxmurf> I also tried with find -print0 | xargs -0 rm but not better
• 2221[16:17:04] <darxmurf> tried also a tar --remove-files
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• 2223[16:17:34] <petn-randall> darxmurf: Have you tried fsck'ing the umounted filesystem? Looks like it may be corrupted.
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• 2227[16:18:32] <darxmurf> it's a NETAPP mounted via NFS :-/
• 2228[16:18:43] <darxmurf> I'll try to delete it from a windows machine now
• 2229[16:19:38] <darxmurf> okay I could remove it from windows Oo
• 2230[16:20:49] <jelly> darxmurf: use a better shell?
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• 2232[16:21:46] <darxmurf> well I could always deal with those UTF8 filenames without problem :-) this one was a bit strange I think
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• 2234[16:22:19] <darxmurf> and in windows it was displaying the filename using the old school DOS notation FILE~1.xyz
• 2235[16:22:22] <darxmurf> :)
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• 2267[16:36:37] <godless_> Question: Running Debian Testing, unable to install zfs-dkms, it's non responsive on "Building initial module for 4.8.0-2-amd64" line
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• 2270[16:37:38] <godless_> Currently apt suggest running 'dpkg --configure -a' but it always hangs on that line
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• 2281[16:42:34] <godless_> Answer: I think I resolved it, seems the needed dependencies didn't get setup till after zfs-dkms ran. Manually aborting zfs-dkms seems to install the needed deps
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• 2299[16:49:13] <petn-randall> godless_: It probably just takes a while to compile the zfs modules.
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• 2313[16:54:30] <godless_> petn_randall: seems that the pkg order for the depends is wrong for zfs-dkms, aborting zfs-dkms compile stage so that the headers and gcc compiler installed resolved the issue
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• 2315[16:55:20] <petn-randall> godless_: petn<tab>
• 2316[16:55:30] <godless_> petn_randall: zfs is currently up and running, systems with headers and gcc already installed should prolly not have issues
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• 2318[16:56:00] <petn-randall> godless_: You might want to report that bug on the zfs-dkms package, so it can be fixed in time for stretch. Provide any steps needed to reproduce, if possible.
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• 2325[17:00:04] <TvL2386> petn-randall, unattended updates are ran daily?
• 2326[17:00:30] <CodeMachine> Hi. I'm running debian jessie and I got gnome boxes as VM with debian inside there too. Is it safe to run any javascript from a website inside the vm machine, without any infection on my real system?
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• 2328[17:01:38] <TvL2386> petn-randall, I've configured a bunch of our servers with unattended upgrades... Of course I made snapshots, since I'm paranoid.... Curious if everything is fine tomorrow
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• 2336[17:05:16] <petn-randall> CodeMachine: There's always a small chance that there an exploit to break out of the browser sandbox, gain remote code execution, escalate user privileges through another exploit, exploit the hypervisor, and infect your host machine. But my guess is that it's probably the safest way to do it if you have to do it.
• 2337[17:06:04] <p1p10l0> CodeMachine: what networking mode did you give to your vm? if it's "bridged" and gets infected... it's in your lan... if it's NATed and cannot see the host lan... maybe more safe
• 2338[17:06:34] <p1p10l0> well hypervisor exploits apart
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• 2346[17:09:00] <p1p10l0> not need for js... just loading a font by css, maybe enough... replaced-url
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• 2360[17:16:56] <CodeMachine> petn-randall: uh, ok. so to add some security I should log in with non administrator account on my debian main system?
• 2361[17:16:56] <CodeMachine> p1p10l0: yes it's NAT. Is there anything more I can add on the network security? This is the only connection between my pc and vm
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• 2364[17:18:12] <ikus060> Hello, whats is the proper way to run `update-rc.d myservicename defaults` with systemd ?
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• 2369[17:20:03] <p1p10l0> systemctl enable myservicename # (?)
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• 2373[17:21:06] <p1p10l0> CodeMachine: networking level: firewall (you just want to make dns and http requests, and the related traffic), and system level... things like apparmor, selinux, etc to restrict what the browser can and can't do
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• 2376[17:21:47] <ikus060> p1p10l0: thanks !
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• 2379[17:23:10] <p1p10l0> ikus060: test that it's what you want and if it's a best practice, not a systemd user myself
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• 2382[17:23:52] <p1p10l0> maybe check /usr/share/doc/*systemd*/* or man -k systemd... sometimes you find debian specific notes about best practices
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• 2384[17:25:10] <CodeMachine> p1p10l0: Long story short: Use ToR and just accept javascript. Is this what we agree upon?
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• 2386[17:25:47] <petn-randall> CodeMachine: I can't see how TOR helps anywhere in this equation.
• 2387[17:26:25] <petn-randall> CodeMachine: You shouldn't be logging in as root for every day tasks, anyway.
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• 2389[17:27:04] <CodeMachine> So "regular" account shouldn't be administrator account you say?
• 2390[17:27:06] <somiaj> ikus060: what is it you are trying to do? enable/disable a service? Is a service not working as expected?
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• 2392[17:29:04] <petn-randall> CodeMachine: What user accounts to you have you set up upon installation?
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• 2395[17:30:06] <CodeMachine> I only got 1 account that is "administrator". When I launch terminal I stil need to login as root when I do something.
• 2396[17:30:14] <CodeMachine> Like, I need to use "su" before sudo
• 2397[17:30:22] <CodeMachine> Sry, I'm kinda new to debian.
• 2398[17:30:33] <somiaj> what do you mean by administrator, is that what you called the account? That doens't give it any special rights.
• 2399[17:30:44] <petn-randall> CodeMachine: Is it Debian, or Kali?
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• 2404[17:31:30] <CodeMachine> you can choose in settings if an account is supposed to be administrator or standard. administrator is more "unlocked" i guess?
• 2405[17:31:32] <CodeMachine> it's debian jesie
• 2406[17:31:52] <somiaj> where are you seeing these settings?
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• 2416[17:35:02] <CodeMachine> if you go in settings --> users --> here you can see
• 2417[17:35:05] <CodeMachine> you got 2 options
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• 2424[17:40:43] <jelly> CodeMachine: heh, did you create a normal user with username of "administrator" for some reason?
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• 2427[17:41:42] <jelly> debian-installer asks for your name, then defaults to your lowercased first name as username by default
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• 2430[17:42:49] <CodeMachine> jelly: What do you mean? Administrator has nothing to do with my username
• 2431[17:43:03] <CodeMachine> it's just 2 different options, idk what the difference really is?
• 2432[17:43:35] <tomcres> CodeMachine: do you mean in GNOME, the option to designate your user as an administrator?
• 2433[17:43:37] <jelly> CodeMachine: where do you see this then? <CodeMachine> I only got 1 account that is "administrator". [...]
• 2434[17:43:38] <CodeMachine> Either the account can be set to "administrator" or "standard" and my logical sense tells me adminstrator is some form of "superuser"? :D
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• 2437[17:44:16] <CodeMachine> settings --> users --> under username there is "account type"
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• 2441[17:44:27] <jelly> oh, that's some gnome thing then
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• 2443[17:44:43] <jelly> perhaps it adds you to sudo group?
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• 2446[17:46:37] <CodeMachine> alright. Yes maybe. How do I know if I'm on "root" or not then?
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• 2448[17:47:05] <somiaj> open a termainl and type 'whoami'
• 2449[17:47:25] <CodeMachine> username
• 2450[17:47:45] <CodeMachine> so I'm never root ain't I?
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• 2452[17:49:13] <somiaj> by default you should not be running xorg (gnome) as root and a normal user, and then you only become root if you need to do something that only root can do
• 2453[17:49:29] <Johann> ~
• 2454[17:49:30] <somiaj> debian usually gives the normal user a limited amount of permissions (controled through groups), type 'groups' to see what groups you are in
• 2455[17:49:32] <Johann> ops sorry
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• 2459[17:50:05] <CodeMachine> When I type groups there is no root
• 2460[17:50:11] <somiaj> the idea of 'adminstrator' account is not really a common thing, though I'm unsure what sort of things gnome neams, or what that setting you have found actually does. As a normal user it shouldnt' be able to change the groups you are in.
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• 2462[17:50:29] <CodeMachine> And when I use terminal I need to su to become root terminal. so that makes me "right", right?
• 2463[17:50:33] <somiaj> CodeMachine: there is no root group, closest thing in debian is the 'sudo' group which gives you full access to sudo and allows (via a password) you to run anything as root
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• 2465[17:50:52] <somiaj> correct, when you type 'su' or 'su -' you become root (with using roots password)
• 2466[17:50:56] <somiaj> sudo is another way, using your users password.
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• 2469[17:51:29] <CodeMachine> alright, so I'm never really root, only when I "su", and when I close the terminal I'm not root anymore.
• 2470[17:51:51] <petn-randall> somiaj: There /is/ a root group (id=0)
• 2471[17:52:07] <somiaj> correct, you shouldn't be running normal programs as root, which makes me courious what this admistrator checkbox you found actually does, because most likely you are not running it as root (unles it is using something like gksu and asking for a password to run it as root)
• 2472[17:52:28] <somiaj> petn-randall: oh yea, duh...I should have meant it isn't common to add someoen to that group, sudo is more the group to look for.
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• 2474[17:53:19] <somiaj> because being in the 'root' group doesn't give one root powers, and I can't think of any default permissions execpt for maybe /root that one woudl gain from that group.
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• 2479[17:54:27] <Digital> heya
• 2480[17:54:51] <Digital> what happens when an Application tries to add a user/group which already exists?
• 2481[17:54:53] <somiaj> Digital: greetings.
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• 2483[17:55:04] <abrotman> Digital: An Applicatoin, or a package?
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• 2485[17:55:17] <somiaj> Digital: most likely recives an error, but it may be ready for such a thing and just moves on.
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• 2488[17:55:23] <Digital> abrotman: a package
• 2489[17:55:37] <abrotman> Digital: nothing exciting, it should continue
• 2490[17:56:09] <somiaj> Digital: it should either check for the existace before trying to add it, or nicely move on when it gets the error 'already exists'
• 2491[17:56:19] <somiaj> if it errors out, report a bug.
• 2492[17:56:34] <jelly> somiaj: it's a non-fatal warning for adduser and it exits with 0
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• 2494[17:56:46] <jelly> so the install scripts continue
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• 2496[17:56:59] <somiaj> ahh, I didn't look at the error code, I guess I should have
• 2497[17:56:59] <abrotman> but if they use useradd?!?!
• 2498[17:57:09] <Digital> for example, when there is a standard (not sudo) user account called boring-user and a package tries to add a administrative user/group called boring-user
• 2499[17:57:51] <jelly> abrotman: why would they invent their own thing instead of stealing what all the other packages do?!
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• 2502[17:58:08] <jelly> erm, s/steal/do/
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• 2506[17:58:39] <jelly> Digital: I'm not sure '-' is a legal character for a username
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• 2508[17:58:57] <jelly> Digital: what does "an administrative user" mean?
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• 2510[17:59:36] <Digital> jelly: administrative as in sudo access
• 2511[17:59:46] <Digital> - is a legal character
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• 2514[18:00:32] <jelly> Digital: a debian package will never add users to sudo group. What's your actual issue?
• 2515[18:00:47] <Digital> I want to create a user/group called digital but I'm not sure if that's a good idea
• 2516[18:01:02] <jelly> so create it, it's not reserved
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• 2518[18:01:11] <Digital> yay
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• 2521[18:01:36] <Digital> not that it is going to last, i reinstall my operating systems quite often lol
• 2522[18:02:09] <abrotman> jelly: because .. people
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• 2524[18:02:36] <jelly> but... policy
• 2525[18:02:42] <jelly> also laziness
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• 2535[18:06:47] <x0h_eax> what is the lightest graphic lib (x-serv,gnome,etc) that can be used by firefox?
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• 2558[18:15:18] <jelly> x0h_eax: not many firefox devs in here probably, try finding a mozilla or firefox related channel
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• 2560[18:15:30] <cluelessperson> Hey guys, I need to copy an APT repo to another server
• 2561[18:15:36] <cluelessperson> How do you suggest I do this?
• 2562[18:15:40] <cluelessperson> It's like 300 GB
• 2563[18:15:53] <somiaj> x0h_eax: what do you mean by graphics lib? gnome to me doesn't sound like a graphics lib.
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• 2566[18:16:21] <jelly> cluelessperson: rsync?
• 2567[18:16:31] <cluelessperson> jelly, That's it?
• 2568[18:16:36] <cluelessperson> jelly, what about configuration?
• 2569[18:16:38] <jelly> cluelessperson: I mean, what's the problem?
• 2570[18:16:55] <cluelessperson> jelly, Don't I have to configure a service to host the apt repo?
• 2571[18:17:08] <cluelessperson> jelly, Should I just mirror it?
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• 2573[18:17:56] <jelly> cluelessperson: if you're going to have non-local clients, then yes you'd need to make the file tree available under some protocol used by apt, be it http or ftp or something else
• 2574[18:18:13] <cluelessperson> jelly, http, so I assume that means apache
• 2575[18:18:16] <cluelessperson> easy so far
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• 2577[18:18:45] <jelly> are you going to update it every now and then or just make a one-off copy?
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• 2579[18:19:03] <cluelessperson> jelly, one off copy.
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• 2581[18:19:21] <jelly> then it really doesn't matter what you use as long as the copy is consistent
• 2582[18:19:29] <cluelessperson> jelly, Production may rely on APT, so I'm hosting a mirror so I can take down the production server (for virtualization and later dissolving)
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• 2587[18:21:53] <hmuller> is there a method to noninteractively run dpkg-reconfigure using nondefault values that works?
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• 2589[18:22:19] <jelly> hmuller: which methods did you try thus far that did not work, on which debian release?
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• 2592[18:23:25] <hmuller> jelly: debian 8; used debconf-set-selections -> dpkg-reconfigure -fnoninteractive (no joy) ...
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• 2596[18:23:40] <jelly> cluelessperson: if you have control of when the source gets updated, and can fix sources.list on all the users, then you have a pretty clear situation I guess
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• 2600[18:24:24] <hmuller> jelly: also created config.dat, then DEBCONF_DB_OVERRIDE='FILE{./config.dat}' dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive
• 2601[18:24:34] <cluelessperson> jelly, all the users connect to APT through our DNS. I'll redirect DNS internally to the new APT server.
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• 2622[18:35:41] <hmuller> jelly: typo in my last statement, FILE should read File
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• 2624[18:36:48] <jelly> hmuller: could be a bug maybe, can you work around it by setting the priority to real high?
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• 2628[18:37:42] <martinjungblut> Hey guys, will Debian automatically install grub-efi on EFI machines during installation?
• 2629[18:37:59] <grawity> I think it does, yes
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• 2631[18:39:30] <hmuller> jelly: I'll give that a try
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• 2637[18:40:53] <somiaj> martinjungblut: the package will be isntalled, to actually install grub in the efi partition is a question the installer asks near the end.
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• 2639[18:41:04] <somiaj> martinjungblut: provided you booted the installer in efi mode
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• 2642[18:41:34] <jelly> martinjungblut: debian 8 installer tries to guess whether it needs a UEFI or BIOS setup, if it guesses wrong on your system that's a bug
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• 2644[18:42:20] <fgrepper> i have created an SMB share. I can connect to it from a windows client but I cannot see files within it (I can see directories)
• 2645[18:42:23] <martinjungblut> thanks for the information!
• 2646[18:42:55] <fgrepper> i ran chmod 777 on the share directory and parent directory, yet still cannot create or view files from windows...any thoughts?
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• 2650[18:46:12] <tw> check samba permissions.
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• 2654[18:46:29] <somiaj> they left about as quickly as they asked teh question
• 2655[18:46:46] <tw> ah, bleh. I have join/part off in here because there's an awful lot of it XD
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• 2659[18:48:30] <tw> Still haven't figured out how to force tmpfs to write out to swap either. It seems like the kernel likes holding it in the page cache a little too much.
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• 2661[18:48:43] <tw> Maybe it's a kernel bug...
• 2662[18:49:00] <noc_> why would you want that? it seems unnecessary I/O
• 2663[18:49:20] <tw> I want to overcommit tmpfs greater than my RAM.
• 2664[18:49:25] <tw> without deadlocking the system.
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• 2668[18:50:29] <somiaj> have you actually filled up your ram and it doesn't start swaping?
• 2669[18:50:30] <noc_> /proc/sys/vm/swappiness regulates the ratio of anonymous pages (= program memory) vs page cache
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• 2672[18:51:05] <hmuller> jelly: thx for your thoughts. no joy with dpkg-reconfigure --priority=; I will now have to experiment with expect and dpkg-reconfigure
• 2673[18:51:28] <tw> I've filled tmpfs and it won't swap, just lock. I haven't tried to increase memory pressure from the application side yet.
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• 2681[18:53:05] <tw> swappiness is currently 60.
• 2682[18:53:17] <jelly> tw: tried tweaking vm/min_free_kbytes in vain hopes of giving kernel enough slack not to deadlock itself?
• 2683[18:53:42] <noc_> 60 means fifty/fifty (yes)
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• 2700[19:03:24] <tw> min_free_kbytes did not help, I tried bumping it to 512000.
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• 2713[19:07:14] <somiaj> tw: wonder if it is just some limitation in tmpfs, as in the designers assume that if using tmp fs you don't want to write the data to the disk.
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• 2715[19:07:34] <somiaj> i.e. if you are going to use that much space and need to write to a disk, why use tmpfs in the first place and just use the normal caching
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• 2717[19:07:36] <tw> The kernel doc on it suggests that it was designed such that it could be swapped.
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• 2719[19:07:51] <somiaj> I haven't looked into it, just my random thoughts.
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• 2722[19:08:15] <tw> it's a good thought, that seems to be a realistic limitation to tmpfs
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• 2726[19:08:54] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 2728[19:09:30] <jelly> somiaj: tmpfs explicitely allows ram+swap as backend, while its cousin ramfs locks its pages in ram and forbids swap usage
• 2729[19:09:42] <jelly> well maybe s/explicitely //
• 2730[19:10:06] <somiaj> jelly: ahh, wasn't sure, I was just more commenting on a guess as to why it was having trouble.
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• 2733[19:10:27] <jelly> ramfs is actually a bit newer and more complicated because of it :-)
• 2734[19:10:28] <tw> The kernel docs are pretty explicit. specifically: replaced-url
• 2735[19:10:47] <jelly> tw: which kernels did you try it on?
• 2736[19:11:08] <tw> jessie most recent. I can get you a version, sec.
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• 2738[19:11:24] <jelly> might be it worked in the past
• 2739[19:11:24] <tw> 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.39-1 (2016-12-30)
• 2740[19:11:38] <jelly> that's current jessie kernel, right
• 2741[19:11:57] <jelly> I guess you could try the one from jessie-backports to see if there's any difference
• 2742[19:12:00] <jelly> !bdo kernel
• 2743[19:12:00] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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• 2764[19:17:16] <CodeMachine> Hello guys. Is it possible to track electrum bitcoin transactions?
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• 2770[19:18:40] <cameva> can anyone help me with a java problem
• 2771[19:19:04] <somiaj> cameva: you can ask your question, and see if anyone has any pointers/advise/help
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• 2773[19:19:14] <somiaj> but until we know what the problem is, we can't do much
• 2774[19:19:22] <jelly> CodeMachine: maybe ask in an electrum or bitcoin channel? Try searching for one: /msg alis list electrum
• 2775[19:19:32] <cameva> I have a class defined @ : replaced-url
• 2776[19:19:42] <cameva> I keep getting the error message: TestFan.java:10: error: Fan is abstract; cannot be instantiated
• 2777[19:19:44] <CodeMachine> That's tryue. ty
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• 2779[19:19:52] <cameva> what make a class "ABSTRACT" ???
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• 2781[19:20:23] <jelly> !next
• 2782[19:20:24] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
• 2783[19:20:25] <somiaj> cameva: ahh this is more a java programing issue, I would suggest a java channel, I was thinking more configuring/installing java in Debian.
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• 2787[19:20:58] <jelly> now cameva is just teasing
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• 2790[19:21:15] <jelly> cameva: are you there?
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• 2793[19:21:43] <cameva> yes I am here
• 2794[19:21:53] <cameva> jelly: yes
• 2795[19:22:00] <somiaj> cameva: ahh this is more a java programing issue, I would suggest a java channel, I was thinking more configuring/installing java in Debian.
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• 2797[19:22:21] <jelly> irc is HARD!
• 2798[19:22:24] <TomTomTo1> evasive maneuvers.
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• 2801[19:22:36] <jelly> pattern Riker alpha
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• 2805[19:24:35] <tw> jelly: no lock in 4.8.15-2~bpo8+2 (2017-01-17); it goes to swap just like it's supposed to.
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• 2811[19:26:10] <jelly> now go bisect and find where it got fixed :-)
• 2812[19:26:21] <Batzy> hello, apparently my NIC needs non-free firmware. In replaced-url
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• 2815[19:26:51] <jelly> Batzy: if you want to install, it's probably better to use the installer image instead of live
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• 2817[19:27:06] <Batzy> ok same question though
• 2818[19:27:41] <jelly> Batzy: the .packages file just lists the installed packages, look at its very small size
• 2819[19:27:55] <Batzy> oh
• 2820[19:28:18] <Batzy> jelly: then i think im screwed, i tried with the +nonfree and it still couldnt use my NIC :(
• 2821[19:28:52] <somiaj> Batzy: some nics are a bit to new for the default kernel, but work with firmware + kernel from jessie-backports. You just have to install these after the install.
• 2822[19:29:11] <somiaj> Batzy: wired connection for the install can help, or install base system -> copy over newer kernel/firmware, configure network, continue install
• 2823[19:29:21] <jelly> Batzy: can you paste the pci id of said NIC? The [xxxx:xxxx] number at the end of the relevant line in output of "lspci -nn"
• 2824[19:29:34] <Batzy> somiaj: i know you from math :O. And I can't do a wired connection
• 2825[19:29:52] <Batzy> like i said the NIC is not being detected as a whole. Which includes wired connections
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• 2831[19:32:00] <somiaj> Batzy: as jelly requested, let us know what the actual chipset (via pciid) of the network card is, that can be used to determine if and what kernels support it
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• 2833[19:33:44] <jelly> eg. in 00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection [8086:1502] (rev 04)
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• 2835[19:33:52] <jelly> 8086:1502 is the pci-id
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• 2942[20:27:00] <sawk> replaced-url
• 2943[20:27:11] <sawk> this is gonna be interesting
• 2944[20:27:18] <sawk> it supports debian actually
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• 2958[20:31:15] <noqnio1> is there a specific reason that there is no cryptocat package?
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• 2973[20:35:27] <jelly> noqnio1: noone packaged it?
• 2974[20:35:49] <jelly> judd: rfp cryptocat
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• 2977[20:37:03] <missmbob> use whatsapp or signal? never even heard of this
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• 2979[20:37:09] <jelly> judd: bug wnpp cryptocat
• 2980[20:37:10] <judd> Sorry, no wnpp bugs were found.
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• 2982[20:37:21] <jelly> noqnio1: also, noone even asked for it?
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• 2985[20:38:02] * jelly thought it might be a netcat variant judging by the name
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• 2990[20:39:19] <Digital> missmbob: use signal :)
• 2991[20:39:33] <MrKarma> hi all
• 2992[20:39:34] <missmbob> Digital: i do :P
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• 2994[20:39:50] <Digital> missmbob: and whatsapp?
• 2995[20:39:57] <missmbob> why are you asking me?
• 2996[20:39:58] <tw> if it's the same cryptocat I tried back in the day, it uses client side javascript which cannot be signature authenticated.
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• 2998[20:40:05] <tw> which ain't great.
• 2999[20:40:22] <menace> is wiki.debian.org down?
• 3000[20:40:49] <greycat> no
• 3001[20:40:51] <Digital> because i want to know :p no special reason, I'm just curious if there is another "signal but not whatapp person out there"
• 3002[20:40:54] <grawity> tw: I think that's exactly why they wanted a package for it
• 3003[20:41:10] <grawity> tw: so that said JS would be loaded from filesystem instead of the webserver
• 3004[20:41:12] <menace> ah, it's just very slow here...
• 3005[20:41:18] <missmbob> Digital: oh. no. i think whatsapp is decent though.
• 3006[20:41:26] <CodeMachine> Guys, can anyone answer this question? How come not latest versions of software is in synaptic manager? For expample electrum bitcoin wallet. This is really old version and to get latest I must download from electrum website. Is this safe?
• 3007[20:41:36] <greycat> !stable
• 3008[20:41:36] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Jessie (8.7); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). replaced-url
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• 3011[20:42:29] <greycat> If you generally prefer bleeding-edge software over stable software, Debian may not be the best fit for you.
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• 3014[20:43:49] <awal1> CodeMachine, you also have other debian branches
• 3015[20:44:08] <CodeMachine> Where? How?
• 3016[20:44:17] <Digital> the testing branch has newer versions, no security updates and some bugs from time to time
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• 3019[20:44:49] <CodeMachine> So the security is the same in testing branch as normal? Where do I get testing branch
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• 3021[20:45:02] <greycat> NO. Only stable has security support.
• 3022[20:45:04] <missmbob> from time to time...ha. broke everyone's x a couple of months ago during that transition
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• 3024[20:45:19] <Digital> the stable branch gets security updates
• 3025[20:45:29] <missmbob> it took about a week because X got sorted out
• 3026[20:45:35] <missmbob> before*
• 3027[20:45:41] <CodeMachine> But then electrum wallet is useless xD I can't send money with it
• 3028[20:45:50] * Digital uses debian since today
• 3029[20:45:50] <CodeMachine> it denies me cuz wrong version
• 3030[20:46:25] <greycat> If on the other hand you generally prefer stable software but there's this *one specific program* that you just *must* have, then simply install it from the upstream sources.
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• 3033[20:46:56] <nkuttler> CodeMachine: what denies you
• 3034[20:47:02] <Digital> modifying sources.list[.d] is dangerous. i deleted my kernel lol
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• 3037[20:47:25] <greycat> Know when to work with the OS's package manager, and when to just be a normal Unix guy and compile it.
• 3038[20:47:28] <CodeMachine> nkuttler: sending bitcoins with electrum wallet because the one in synaptic is too old
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• 3040[20:48:02] <nkuttler> CodeMachine: last time i checked 1.9 was just fine. why do you say you can't send?
• 3041[20:48:07] <greycat> What's the exact package name? Is it "electrum"?
• 3042[20:48:29] <greycat> Also, what version of Debian do you have, and what version of this package?
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• 3045[20:48:42] <CodeMachine> electrum 1.9.8-4
• 3046[20:48:47] <greycat> ,v electrum
• 3047[20:48:48] <judd> Package: electrum on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.9.8-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.9.8-4; jessie-backports: 2.6.4-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.6.4-1; stretch: 2.7.9-1; sid: 2.7.9-1
• 3048[20:48:50] <CodeMachine> sec I'll check error
• 3049[20:48:54] <greycat> You can get 2.6.4 in jessie-backports
• 3050[20:49:04] <CodeMachine> Rly? How?
• 3051[20:49:08] <greycat> !jessie-backports
• 3052[20:49:08] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
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• 3057[20:50:20] <hugo_> Hello all
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• 3060[20:50:54] <CodeMachine> Aight, gonna add this
• 3061[20:51:03] <CodeMachine> After that it should pop up in synaptic ?
• 3062[20:51:03] <hugo_> i am wondering if dd a img (4Go) to sdcard (16G) reduice the size of system.
• 3063[20:51:16] <abrotman> what?
• 3064[20:51:34] <grawity> hugo_: it writes a new partition table, which has smaller partitions
• 3065[20:51:46] <grawity> hugo_: the full device size remains the same
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• 3068[20:52:29] <hugo_> grawity, in fact, i run ====> dd bs=4M if=~/2012-10-28-wheezy-raspbian.img of=/dev/sdc
• 3069[20:52:44] <hugo_> raspbian.img size is 4Go
• 3070[20:52:52] <hugo_> my sdcard is 16Go
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• 3072[20:53:22] <Digital> the size of the partition will be 4gb, but raspbian provides a tool to grow the size to the full disk space
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• 3074[20:54:24] <hugo_> Digital, thanks for anwser. So what is the tool ? is it after install system in the boot menu ?
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• 3078[20:55:47] <CodeMachine> greycat: Mission is accomplished. gg
• 3079[20:56:13] <Digital> hugo_; look in 'raspi-config' (needs root privileges) after you have installed raspbian
• 3080[20:56:32] <sobczyk> is there any guide to putting testing netinst on a multiboot pendrive? I've tied findiso but installer can't find it, moreover busybox doesnt show any /dev/sdX devices
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• 3083[20:57:30] <hugo_> Digital, great thanks
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• 3086[20:58:15] <Digital> no problem ^.^
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• 3100[21:04:27] <sobczyk> can anyone help me with the installer?
• 3101[21:04:37] <Digital> what's the problem?
• 3102[21:04:50] <sobczyk> at least it should detect block devices, but no /dev/sdX
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• 3104[21:05:10] <sobczyk> so it can't find the iso for loopmounting
• 3105[21:05:20] <Digital> did you make a live stick?
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• 3107[21:05:28] <sobczyk> yes
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• 3109[21:06:51] <sobczyk> the kernel has the modules builtin or lsmod should show some modules?
• 3110[21:07:14] <greycat> If they're builtin, they're just driver, not modules.
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• 3112[21:07:33] <greycat> Anything lsmod shows you is a module, by definition.
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• 3114[21:07:47] <Digital> i don't know much about the installer and my maintaining requires me to reinstall my oses pretty often, maybe I'm not the best person to help you lol
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• 3116[21:07:55] <graps> Hi all
• 3117[21:07:57] <jelly> sobczyk: how did you write the image to the medium?
• 3118[21:08:03] <Digital> what devices should be shown?
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• 3121[21:09:00] <sobczyk> I used mulisystem, but it failed with an error. It copied the iso and extracted initrd, then wrote an entry to the grub.cfg
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• 3124[21:09:36] <sobczyk> I read that debian uses findiso not the ubuntu one iso-scan/filename
• 3125[21:09:38] <graps> Has anyone used harden or bastille on their server here ?
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• 3127[21:10:36] <jelly> sobczyk: if at all possible, write the image directly to the stick using cp (or dd, but use cp, or win32diskimager)
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• 3129[21:10:51] <Digital> you can run "lsblk" in a terminal, the drives should be shown there
• 3130[21:10:51] <jelly> sobczyk: this _will_ nuke the current partitions and data
• 3131[21:11:27] <jelly> debian-installer code does not deal well with unetbootin and similar tools that mess with the image
• 3132[21:11:29] <sobczyk> jelly: I know, I just wanted to avoid wasting 15 GB of space
• 3133[21:11:37] <jelly> nope. waste away
• 3134[21:12:05] <Digital> you can reformat your stick after the installation is complete
• 3135[21:12:30] <jelly> or help d-i people make the d-i find itself even in such situations
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• 3141[21:14:13] <graps> Has anyone perusedf their apache access.log file for internet visitors here ?
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• 3143[21:14:28] <greycat> !anyone
• 3144[21:14:29] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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• 3148[21:15:12] <graps> How do I find out where the IP is originating from instead of just with nslookup ?
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• 3150[21:15:31] <greycat> You can also use whois on an IP address.
• 3151[21:15:43] <graps> greycat: Thanks !
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• 3156[21:19:44] <n1b> Do Nvidia cards run the best on linux?
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• 3158[21:20:03] <greycat> Some of them can be made to work with the right combo of drivers, but not all.
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• 3160[21:20:17] <greycat> Ideally you want a video chipset that's about 2-4 years old.
• 3161[21:20:37] <greycat> If it's too new or too old, you may be out of luck.
• 3162[21:20:38] <tomcres> n1b: in order to run at their full potential they require non-free drivers, but they generally work
• 3163[21:20:39] <Digital> Nvidia is a very bad for gnu/linux imo
• 3164[21:20:43] <jelly> people relying on lack of OpenGL bugs often say only nvidia (closed source) drivers work passably on linux
• 3165[21:21:17] <n1b> Inst vulkan the replacement for opengl?
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• 3167[21:21:26] <zykotick9> Digital: i'd say s/Nvidia/ATI-AMD/ but ymmv
• 3168[21:21:56] <jelly> n1b: you're on #debian. Vulkan is WAAYYY too new
• 3169[21:22:27] <Digital> there is no diver for my readon card and the nvidia card i have works but i heard very bad things about nvidia and linux. also closed source sucks
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• 3173[21:22:51] <Digital> my next graphics card won't be nvidia
• 3174[21:23:03] <zykotick9> Digital: ahhh, some nvidia card can be used in "freedom", same can't be said for ANY ATI/AMD card :(
• 3175[21:23:26] <nkuttler> while we're at it, nvidias are the only cards that ever worked reliably for me
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• 3177[21:23:43] <nprs> I have a gt720 in my debian box and it works well.
• 3178[21:23:51] <frikinz> vulkan is not meant to replace opengl, its aimed at lower level programming
• 3179[21:24:04] <jelly> zykotick9: this passive cooled HD7450 or so I got in my 2013 desktop at work worked flawlessly, 60+ days Xorg uptime on jessie
• 3180[21:24:09] <jelly> that's AMD
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• 3183[21:24:32] <jelly> but yes, 2-4 years old :-)
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• 3188[21:25:30] <zykotick9> jelly: i'm not talking about "technical" merrits, my personal criteria is "freedom respecting"... and AMD/ATI has no 3D support without non-free binary blobs - thus it's a non-option (for ME!)
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• 3190[21:26:08] <Digital> intel is said to be good
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• 3199[21:31:18] <fgrepper> ive created a samba share that I can connect to from a windows 10 system, but I can not read/write despite have those options in my smb.conf file. Any ideas?
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• 3202[21:31:55] <Digital> have you restart the service?
• 3203[21:32:37] <fgrepper> yes ive restarted smb/nmb
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• 3205[21:32:57] <Digital> how do i disable the pc buzzer? there is a module/driver/we i can blacklist
• 3206[21:33:04] <zykotick9> fgrepper: check the premissions on the actual filesystem the share resides on.
• 3207[21:33:07] <Digital> I don't know smb
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• 3209[21:33:11] <jelly> nprs: ha, I have a GT720 at home and it's quite unstable with nouveau
• 3210[21:33:15] <fgrepper> the share directory as well as its parent firectory are owned by the user i am logging in with
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• 3212[21:33:20] <fgrepper> and chmod 777
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• 3214[21:33:32] <Digital> NEVER do chmod 777
• 3215[21:33:39] <fgrepper> its ona closed network
• 3216[21:33:44] <Digital> that's so ew xD
• 3217[21:33:45] <n1b> chmod u+x
• 3218[21:33:50] <fgrepper> i know i know lol
• 3219[21:34:21] <Digital> why do you make me suffer? i haven't done anything to you :P
• 3220[21:34:52] <graps> How do I configure the tin newsreader to work in a server with a bad host ? I get a "socket or connect problem" when I try to substitute a server with "tin -g <servername>"
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• 3223[21:35:23] <fgrepper> i just figure 777 eliminates the possibility that its a permissions thing. I have two users created and they are both added to the "valid users" field in smb.conf
• 3224[21:35:24] <jelly> graps: what does "server with a bad host" mean?>
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• 3226[21:36:11] <nprs> Wie schade
• 3227[21:36:22] <graps> jelly: When I installed tin, I kept getting this error: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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• 3229[21:37:06] <jelly> graps: did you ever manage to finish the installation completely?
• 3230[21:37:29] <jelly> graps: what does this command say: dpkg -l tin |tail -n 1
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• 3232[21:37:43] <graps> Let me see
• 3233[21:37:53] <jelly> paste the complete output
• 3234[21:38:05] <jelly> it's one line so you may paste it here
• 3235[21:38:14] <graps> jelly: Here's the output: iF tin 1:2.1.1-1 amd64 A full-screen easy to use Usenet newsreader
• 3236[21:38:48] <jelly> graps: so it never finished. pastebin the output of "dpkg --configure -a" please. Use replaced-url
• 3237[21:38:57] <graps> Okay
• 3238[21:39:05] <jelly> ,v tin
• 3239[21:39:06] <judd> Package: tin on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.1.1-1; jessie: 1:2.2.1-1; stretch: 1:2.4.1-1; sid: 1:2.4.1-1
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• 3245[21:40:26] <jelly> graps: is there a /etc/news/server on your system, paste also "cat /etc/news/server" if it's present
• 3246[21:40:54] <graps> jelly: replaced-url
• 3247[21:41:33] <graps> jelly: No such file for /etc/news/server
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• 3253[21:43:21] <jelly> graps: what does "hostname -d" say?
• 3254[21:43:45] <graps> jelly: hostname: Name or service not known
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• 3256[21:44:04] <graps> jelly: I was trying to set up hostname to my domain name
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• 3258[21:45:21] <jelly> graps: very interesting. Pastebin output of: for i in hosts hostname resolv.conf nsswitch.conf; do i=/etc/$i; echo "== $i =="; cat "$i"; done
• 3259[21:46:07] <jelly> looks like the system may not have its own hostname set correctly
• 3260[21:46:26] <graps> jelly: How do you type in a for statement on the cmd-line ?
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• 3262[21:46:33] <jelly> verbatim
• 3263[21:47:01] <jelly> that command ought to work in bash or sh
• 3264[21:47:39] <jelly> or pastebin the contents of /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname, /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf manually (preferably in a single paste entry)
• 3265[21:47:51] <graps> jelly: I'm getting a bash syntax error: -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `nsswitch.conf'
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• 3269[21:48:14] <jelly> graps: it's all in one line
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• 3271[21:48:24] <graps> jelly: Okay, I'll try again
• 3272[21:48:27] <jelly> for i in hosts hostname resolv.conf nsswitch.conf; do i=/etc/$i; echo "== $i =="; cat "$i"; done
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• 3276[21:49:44] <graps> jelly: replaced-url
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• 3278[21:50:37] <jelly> graps: okay, so does this system have a fixed static ip address? You'll want to add it to /etc/hosts
• 3279[21:50:39] <jelly> !hostname
• 3280[21:50:39] <dpkg> Use «hostname foo» to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', or ask me about <mailname>. replaced-url
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• 3287[21:53:41] <jelly> it might also be a good idea to have a full hostname different than the whole domain. Not sure boot scripts will detect the domain is supposed to be exactly the same as the hostname
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• 3290[21:54:07] <graps> jelly: Should I change the current hostname to a numeric IP ?
• 3291[21:54:18] <jelly> hell no, that's even worse
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• 3293[21:54:28] <graps> jelly: Yep, heh heh
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• 3295[21:54:31] <jelly> I was thinking more like machine.grapster.us
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• 3297[21:55:02] <graps> jelly: Can I make it myself ? Through the server cmd-line ?
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• 3301[21:55:49] <jelly> graps: um, yes, just use a terminal-based editor?
• 3302[21:55:54] <jelly> like nano
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• 3304[21:56:02] <graps> jelly: vim okay ?
• 3305[21:56:06] <jelly> yes
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• 3307[21:56:29] <jelly> it's better if the full name matches an existing A or AAAA dns record
• 3308[21:56:34] <jelly> but it doesn't have ot
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• 3314[21:57:53] <graps> jelly: Do you mean like replaced-url
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• 3316[21:58:15] <jelly> yes
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• 3319[21:59:02] <graps> jelly: I was thinking that other news readers are better suited to my current host, like canto or liferea
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• 3321[21:59:44] <jelly> you still want to fix the hostname issue
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• 3324[22:00:02] <graps> jelly: Okay, I'll do that
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• 3327[22:00:53] <jelly> graps: or you can create /etc/news/server manually so the package installer script will skip the broken code using hostname -d
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• 3329[22:01:20] <graps> jelly: Just do a: touch /etc/news/server ?
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• 3332[22:01:55] <jelly> graps: or put in the actual nntp server you plan to use
• 3333[22:02:17] <graps> jelly: Where can I find current nntp servers ?
• 3334[22:02:19] <jelly> then see if "dpkg --configure -a" completes
• 3335[22:02:28] <jelly> graps: free ones?
• 3336[22:02:41] <graps> jelly: Free ones please
• 3337[22:02:56] <jelly> no idea, I use my ISP's
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• 3339[22:03:08] <jelly> google for free nntp server, I guess
• 3340[22:03:12] <graps> jelly: Okay
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• 3344[22:04:09] <jelly> most require registration probably
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• 3347[22:04:31] <graps> jelly: Are most US servers better than international ones ?
• 3348[22:04:52] <jelly> I have no clue
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• 3350[22:05:08] <graps> I'll try news.easynews.com
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• 3352[22:05:33] <jelly> I thought you already had a news server in mind, seeing as you wanted to access usenet which is honestly a bit unusual these days
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• 3354[22:05:47] <jelly> not unlike accessing irc, I guess
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• 3356[22:06:01] <graps> jelly: It is a throwback to my university shell account days
• 3357[22:06:30] <n1b> Do you need to have python installed for Debian to work?
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• 3360[22:06:53] <greycat> yes
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• 3363[22:07:04] <greycat> There are core Debian things that use sh, perl and python, so you need those.
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• 3366[22:08:05] <graps> jelly: Darn it, news.easynews.com requests authentication and authorization :) I'll have to be formal
• 3367[22:08:54] <sonOfRa> Does debian (stable, or jessie) support bcrypt (2a/2y) in crypt(3)?
• 3368[22:09:02] <graps> jelly: How much is a cheap usenet news provider to you ?
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• 3370[22:09:49] <jelly> graps: no idea. I work for an isp and manage their news server
• 3371[22:10:03] <graps> jelly: Free is good ;)
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• 3375[22:11:00] <graps> jelly: Do your paying customers use usenet on a regular basis ?
• 3376[22:11:03] <jelly> last time I looked, about a decade ago replaced-url
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• 3378[22:11:30] <jelly> graps: pretty much only old schools and a very very very small percentage of the total
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• 3380[22:11:43] <LordDeath> in stretch running 'apt install tt-rss gitlab' would install both apache2 and nginx as dependency. this will end bad, right?
• 3381[22:12:41] <graps> jelly: Well, that's kind of reassuring. I used to subscribe to usenet in my university server to access alt.tasteless.jokes and a few others. Now liferea and reddit/slashdot are my current staples
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• 3384[22:14:07] <graps> jelly: I should get on with setting up sendmail and/or some mail server, for experience
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• 3397[22:17:48] <graps> Do people pay for a shell account that is properly managed ?
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• 3405[22:19:59] <graps> TROLL ALERT: I will create a shell account for you if you have something to offer me :)
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• 3410[22:20:36] <jelly> in that case, the help you got so far will be $95/hr :-)
• 3411[22:20:56] <graps> jelly: Ha ha ! Thanks
• 3412[22:21:16] <jelly> (also, giving shell access to people you don't trust, is, amazingly, still not a good idea)
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• 3415[22:21:46] <graps> jelly: True, but sometimes I like to court wild and crazy guys
• 3416[22:22:29] <jelly> these days there are multiple genders on the internet, too
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• 3418[22:22:46] <graps> jelly: If sex still sells, I'm wondering why people don't just use the free sites
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• 3420[22:23:46] <jelly> pornhub's yearly statistics says they do
• 3421[22:23:58] <graps> jelly: Yes
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• 3425[22:26:03] <graps> jelly: Did you go to the CES in Vegas this year ?
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• 3427[22:26:58] <jelly> never been to any of the americas yet
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• 3429[22:27:38] <graps> jelly: I used to go, for a number of years. There was always the porn convention that took place at the same time. I think that also was the case for Comdex
• 3430[22:28:21] <jelly> let me extend an invite to #debian-offtopic and leave this channel('s logs) for tech support
• 3431[22:28:36] <graps> jelly: Whoops, heh
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• 3439[22:30:57] <graps> jelly: Here's my error messages for sendmail. I keep getting the tin error during my install session: replaced-url
• 3440[22:31:31] <jelly> oh dear, you don't want sendmail itself
• 3441[22:31:48] <graps> jelly: It's outdated ?
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• 3443[22:32:01] <jelly> get postfix or exim4-daemon-light if you plan to actually send and receive mail
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• 3445[22:32:22] <graps> jelly: Okay
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• 3448[22:33:15] <jelly> and if you just need notifications sent out (to your gmail or similar), something small like "dma" or "msmtp-mta" or "nullmailer"
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• 3450[22:33:42] <jelly> dma is nice because both small, but can still do local delivery to /var/mail/user
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• 3456[22:34:32] <graps> jelly: In postfix, which mail configuration is best for light mailing jobs, I have about five choices
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• 3460[22:35:18] <graps> jelly: By light, I infer about 200 e-mails per day or so
• 3461[22:35:24] <jelly> graps: set up just local delivery for now, you can change things later
• 3462[22:35:45] <graps> jelly: Thanks
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• 3464[22:38:30] <graps> jelly: It looks like postfix completed successfully. How do I disable or get rid of tin ? It's still showing up in output
• 3465[22:38:52] <nO0b> bluetoothd produces high load ( 100% ) when remote device ( kbd ) disconnects.t see output of '# /usr/lib bluetoothd -n -d' : replaced-url
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• 3470[22:42:01] <jelly> graps: huh, so adding /etc/news/server and rerunning "dpkg --configure -a" didn't fix its installation?
• 3471[22:42:37] <jelly> you can try purging the package if it lets you, dpkg -P tin
• 3472[22:42:39] <graps> jelly: I'll add that file, and check it with another "sudo apt-get install tin"
• 3473[22:42:57] <graps> jelly: Or, do the "dpkg -P tin" instead
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• 3476[22:43:58] <jelly> if the installation is half finished, you don't need to try installing anew, just do "dpkg --configure -a" and "apt-get -f install" to make the package manager try and finish the pending attempt
• 3477[22:44:24] <graps> jelly: Okay. Trying the dpkg --configure thing
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• 3484[22:46:16] <graps> jelly: Still getting an error: replaced-url
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• 3487[22:47:35] <jelly> graps: hmph, that package is a bit crap
• 3488[22:47:58] <graps> jelly: Yeah, I'll say so too. Want me to try "dpkg -P tin" ?
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• 3491[22:48:05] <jelly> sure
• 3492[22:48:10] <graps> jelly: Okay
• 3493[22:48:39] <jelly> maybe slrn will install :-)
• 3494[22:49:22] <graps> jelly: I think it's off the server: replaced-url
• 3495[22:49:39] <jelly> yes
• 3496[22:49:52] <jelly> go install "dialog" to get rid of that other message
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• 3498[22:50:20] <graps> jelly: I can try installing dma or msmtp-mta or nullmailer to see
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• 3501[22:50:54] <jelly> those are laternatives to postfix, not news readers
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• 3504[22:51:15] <graps> jelly: I just saw your "go install "dialog" message
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• 3508[22:51:47] <graps> jelly: What is the "install "dialog"..." command ?
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• 3511[22:52:10] <jelly> apt-get install dialog
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• 3513[22:53:01] <jelly> you're missing on some excellent ansi art colored menus while installing packages, otherwise
• 3514[22:53:27] <graps> jelly: Thanks for your help ! Here's the install for dialog: replaced-url
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• 3517[22:53:48] <jelly> (try to "dpkg-reconfigure postfix" to see the difference)
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• 3520[22:54:14] <jelly> (and just choose cancel there, <Tab> key to move, <Enter> to select)
• 3521[22:54:20] <jelly> or was it space to select
• 3522[22:54:30] <graps> jelly: I'll check it out
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• 3527[22:56:26] <Mr_Kluster> hi
• 3528[22:56:35] <graps> jelly: That version looks neat, sorta like in MS-DOS days, and installing disks
• 3529[22:57:18] <jelly> yes
• 3530[22:57:26] <jelly> this is what debian is alll about
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• 3532[22:57:42] <jelly> Dialog blue/gray screens.
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• 3535[22:58:34] <graps> jelly: Hmm...I was given a few choices to set up a cloud server, like Ubuntu, CentOS, Red Hat, and Debian. I chose Debian because it was the smallest initial footprint
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• 3549[23:04:14] <graps> jelly: Does Debian have a package for elm ? I didn't find it in apt-get
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• 3552[23:05:00] <jelly> elm is dead, I think
• 3553[23:05:12] <graps> jelly: Ah, another dinosaur program :)
• 3554[23:05:16] <tw> long live pine
• 3555[23:05:24] <jelly> there's mutt, alpine and I dunno
• 3556[23:05:31] <graps> tw: Is that still available ? It's older than elm
• 3557[23:05:40] <jelly> alpine fork still lives
• 3558[23:05:43] <tw> maybe not in the repo, alpine fork.
• 3559[23:05:46] <jelly> it does news too
• 3560[23:05:52] <jelly> and imap and stuff
• 3561[23:05:54] <tw> I use mutt, tbh.
• 3562[23:06:17] <jelly> ,whatprovides mail-reader
• 3563[23:06:18] <judd> Package mail-reader in jessie/amd64 is provided by: balsa, bsd-mailx, claws-mail, cone, edbrowse, emacs24, emacs24-lucid, emacs24-nox, evolution, heirloom-mailx, icedove, im, jed, kmail, mailutils, mailutils-mh, mew, mew-beta, mew-beta-bin, mew-bin, mutt, nmh, sup-mail, sylpheed, tkrat, vm, wl, wl-beta, xemacs21-mule, xemacs21-mule-canna-wnn, xemacs21-nomule, xjed.
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• 3566[23:06:36] <jelly> so yeah
• 3567[23:06:59] <jelly> ,whatprovides news-reader
• 3568[23:07:00] <judd> Package news-reader in jessie/amd64 is provided by: claws-mail, emacs24, emacs24-lucid, emacs24-nox, im, knews, knode, lusernet.app, lynx-cur, mew, mew-beta, nn, slrn, sylpheed, tin, trn4, wl, wl-beta, xemacs21-mule, xemacs21-mule-canna-wnn, xemacs21-nomule.
• 3569[23:07:19] <graps> I'll install alpine
• 3570[23:07:27] <jelly> emacs for everything clearly
• 3571[23:07:37] <tw> interesting that alpine isn't on that list, but it's definitely in jessie/amd64.
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• 3573[23:08:03] <jelly> tw: that checks the Provides: package header
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• 3576[23:08:20] <tw> Ah. so the package doesn't declare mail-reader.
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• 3578[23:09:12] <graps> I've set up lynx, so there's a text-based web browser that works
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• 3580[23:09:51] <jelly> elinks/links2/w3m deal _slightly_ better with tables and div and such modern html features
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• 3585[23:10:31] <jelly> w3m has weirder keybindings tho
• 3586[23:10:56] <jelly> but all of those have gpm (= mouse in terminal) support
• 3587[23:10:58] <tw> w3m was easiest to get it to force interpret an input pipe as html, which is convenient when calling from mutt.
• 3588[23:11:24] <ryouma> emacs has emacs-w3m and eww and w3 for web browsers
• 3589[23:11:36] <jelly> tw: eh? doesn't mutt get html auto_view by default when you install any of those
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• 3591[23:12:22] <tw> I had to manually configure an html viewer the last time I set it up, but my mail client is still on squeeze, so it's probably better by now.
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• 3608[23:19:04] <tw> now that I think about it, squeeze has been EOL for almost a year, hasn't it. I should probably fix that.
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• 3611[23:20:30] <tw> ah, nm, it's wheezy; I should still fix that.
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• 3617[23:22:26] <jelly> !squeeze
• 3618[23:22:26] <dpkg> Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" was released on 2011-02-06 and is the oldoldstable release: replaced-url
• 3619[23:22:33] <jelly> !squeeze-lts
• 3620[23:22:33] <dpkg> Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" ended on 2016-02-29 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
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• 3623[23:23:03] <tw> !wheezy-lts
• 3624[23:23:04] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See replaced-url
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• 3627[23:25:34] <jelly> soo... you got until 2018 to upgrade to jessie ehhhhh
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• 3633[23:31:14] <cluelessperson> Hey guys, I'm trying to copy an APT repo over
• 3634[23:31:17] <tw> I'll probably end up skipping 8 and going to 9 then. That's not too far out.
• 3635[23:31:26] <cluelessperson> problem is it seems to use a lot of symlinks and I'm getting rsync errors
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• 3637[23:31:43] <cluelessperson> does anyone know how to use like apt-mirror to download the entire rpo?
• 3638[23:32:52] <jelly> cluelessperson: do you have shell access to both source and destination?
• 3639[23:32:57] <cluelessperson> jelly, yes.
• 3640[23:33:10] <jelly> rsync should be able to deal with symlinks then
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• 3643[23:33:23] <cluelessperson> jelly, I'm doing this
• 3644[23:33:24] <cluelessperson> rsync -rLptgo build:/var/replaced-url
• 3645[23:33:46] <cluelessperson> which is similar to -a just with L and no D
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• 3648[23:34:48] <jelly> cluelessperson: why -L ?
• 3649[23:35:02] <jelly> is your destination incapable of symlinks?
• 3650[23:35:05] <cluelessperson> jelly, -L follows symlinks. -l only makes the symlinks
• 3651[23:35:18] <jelly> yes, why are you doing that?
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• 3653[23:35:31] <talus46> greetings
• 3654[23:35:32] <cluelessperson> jelly, my source uses symlinks. my destination cannot
• 3655[23:35:49] <jelly> then you have a problem
• 3656[23:35:54] <cluelessperson> jelly, and because the symlink destinations won't exist on the destination
• 3657[23:36:03] <jelly> can you get a symlnk capable fs
• 3658[23:36:14] <cluelessperson> jelly, the destination is symlink capable
• 3659[23:36:32] <jelly> cluelessperson: in a sane apt repo, symlinks are all relative
• 3660[23:36:35] <tw> it should work then if the symlinks are relative and not absolute.
• 3661[23:36:38] <jelly> are yours not?
• 3662[23:36:56] <cluelessperson> jelly, it seems there's an initial layer of symlinks to another apt directory
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• 3665[23:37:11] <jelly> clone the whole thing? :-)
• 3666[23:37:18] <cluelessperson> /var/replaced-url
• 3667[23:37:27] <cluelessperson> jelly, I'm trying to
• 3668[23:37:43] <cluelessperson> I'm trying to copy the apt server so I can down the server to virtualize it
• 3669[23:37:46] <jelly> cluelessperson: avoid that * usage, and copy the actual paths
• 3670[23:37:58] <cluelessperson> jelly, copy the actual paths?
• 3671[23:38:01] <cluelessperson> what do you mean by that
• 3672[23:38:11] <jelly> /var/apt/stuff itself in this case
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• 3674[23:38:50] <cluelessperson> rsync: readlink "/var/replaced-url
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• 3677[23:39:20] <jelly> that's with -L right?
• 3678[23:39:25] <cluelessperson> jelly, yes
• 3679[23:39:33] <jelly> well don't do that then :-)
• 3680[23:39:52] <jelly> copy everything, fix the broken links later
• 3681[23:40:00] <cluelessperson> so I'll try again from within the /var/apt rather than /var/replaced-url
• 3682[23:40:11] <jelly> (if you can't map the source paths 1:1 precisely)
• 3683[23:40:11] <cluelessperson> so /var/apt will only contain relative
• 3684[23:40:13] <cluelessperson> hm
• 3685[23:40:23] <jelly> iotw, use -a
• 3686[23:40:25] <tw> let the links dangle.
• 3687[23:40:29] <tw> then find and fix.
• 3688[23:40:33] <jelly> ^^
• 3689[23:40:46] <cluelessperson> tw, jelly I don't know how many many links that'd be
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• 3691[23:40:54] <cluelessperson> it could me thousands
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• 3693[23:41:02] <jelly> cluelessperson: it's trivial to find symlinks with find
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• 3697[23:42:58] <jelly> so you can count them right now and see if that's a feasible strategy
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• 3699[23:43:02] <tw> and if you focus on the shortest path ones first, many of the longer ones will fix themselves, especially if you put it in the same spot on the FS.
• 3700[23:43:16] <tw> Which I highly recommend, given your predicament.
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• 3704[23:45:00] <jelly> but honestly if you're doing P2V I'm not sure why you're not just rsyncing the whole machine, all of its filesystems, once while it's still online, then down it, rsync again, and migrate the IP addresses and fix boot loader and fstab and boot the new one
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• 3706[23:46:26] <jelly> if done correctly, downtime is (time for final rsync + like 15 minutes to make the new VM bootable)
• 3707[23:46:27] <tw> from experience, a tar-pipe will be faster for first pass, then rsync -c
• 3708[23:46:43] <tw> or skip the -c and just do dates.
• 3709[23:46:46] <jelly> it doesn't matter how long first pass is
• 3710[23:47:25] <tw> that last bit depends on what the boss says. ;)
• 3711[23:47:42] <jelly> only if they think it affects production
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• 3714[23:48:51] <jelly> cluelessperson: alternatively, _first_ make all the symlinks on the source relative without breaking anything
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• 3727[23:51:57] <Heston> hmm why doesnt apt warn you about installing packages that dont have security support
• 3728[23:52:26] <cluelessperson> jelly, I cannot modify source.
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• 3730[23:53:01] <jelly> Heston: it doesn't know. Install debian-security-support if you need that info
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• 3732[23:53:31] <Heston> i mean, why wouldnt that be some kind of default behaviour
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• 3734[23:54:13] <jelly> that information isn't available in a consistent manner
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• 3738[23:55:00] <jelly> Heston: eg. if you add a third-party repo, there's no established API to ask if it has security support or not
• 3739[23:55:23] <jelly> there's no such API for debian's own repos, either
• 3740[23:55:25] <Heston> well sure, but we're about about debian and debian repos
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• 3742[23:55:35] <Heston> we're talking about*
• 3743[23:56:09] <Heston> just seems like a really bad policy to let users blindly install packages without security updates/support
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• 3748[23:58:13] <awal1> youtube-dl: how to check playlist size before starting/without starting the download?
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• 3750[23:59:07] <jelly> Heston: and now you know how to avoid it.
• 3751[23:59:08] <awal1> I want to download a plylist containing 1075 video files, but not sure if I have enough disk space :P
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• 3753[23:59:35] <jelly> Heston: which debian release do you have installed?
• 3754[23:59:44] <Heston> jelly, why wouldnt that package be included in the minimal install though
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• 3756[23:59:50] <Heston> im using wheezy
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