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30[00:15:08] <karl_k> hi, anyone have any idea why edge tiling in stretch might not work ? When i drag a window to the screen edge its not tiled to half screen.
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32[00:15:41] <annadane> karl_k, which desktop environment/window manager?
33[00:16:03] <karl_k> org/gnome/metacity/edge-tiling is true
34[00:16:07] <karl_k> this is gnome on x11
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36[00:16:47] <karl_k> tiling with super-left/right is working fine
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38[00:17:39] <karl_k> ok, seems to be an issue with sleeping with two screens and waking with only laptop screen
39[00:18:04] <karl_k> just opened and closed the monitors dialogue and now it works
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42[00:18:22] <karl_k> thanks a log annadane !
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47[00:19:50] <karl_k> or not, its gone again
48[00:19:56] <karl_k> this is weird
49[00:20:21] <annadane> may be something you can change in x settings, not sure...
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53[00:21:31] <annadane> or it may even be a gnome specific thing, i wouldn't know
54[00:21:42] <karl_k> no idea, it worked a second ago, and now its gone again
55[00:21:54] <annadane> right
56[00:22:05] <annadane> yeah, that does sound like more of a bug/unexpected behavior
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62[00:24:37] <karl_k> cant get it working again, but as it was working a minute ago it might be intermittent
63[00:24:44] <karl_k> will try to reboot, sad but true...
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109[00:54:23] <Orxata_> Hi
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142[01:13:16] <generation2> hi
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145[01:13:53] <generation2> on a computer without KDE with only console when I try to connect to android 5.1 phone I run "bluetoothd -n" then "./bluez-source/test/simple-agent" then "sudo pand -n -c 50:AE:F6:23:E0:A6 -i hci0" and it connects to a phone and creates interface "bnep0" so I can ssh to a phone now
146[01:14:01] <generation2> now, on a computer with KDE I'm trying to do the same, first "bluetoothd -n" then when I run "./bluez-source/test/simple-agent" it says: "dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.bluez.Error.AlreadyExists: Already Exists" so looks like KDE is allrady running some sort of "agent", because when I do
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149[01:14:07] <generation2> "sudo pand -n -c 50:AE:F6:23:E0:A6 -i hci0" there is window pops up with buttons: "PIN is correct" and "PIN is incorrect" and when I press "PIN is correct" the connection is established and I can ssh to a phone
150[01:14:13] <generation2> so the question is, can I disable that KDE's "agent" so I can just use "./bluez-source/test/simple-agent" ?
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154[01:18:05] <annadane> generation2, if you get no reply the folks at #debian-kde at irc.oftc.net may be able to help
155[01:18:53] <generation2> thanks
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203[01:48:57] <tripkin> Short of running a script in cron, is there a way to permanently disable dpms? xset -dpms only lasts for a short while then resets back to on....
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208[01:50:14] <tesko> is there a .dev for kernel images for actual debian like there is for ubuntu?
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217[01:52:56] <tesko> sorry .deb
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223[01:56:34] <tesko> im sure kernels from ubuntu wont run with debian.. correct?
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226[01:59:27] <annadane> tesko, don't mix ubuntu and debian
227[01:59:31] <annadane> !frankendebian
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229[01:59:32] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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231[01:59:46] <annadane> tesko, and yes, there are deb files for kernels, i actually don't remember where you get them from
232[01:59:55] <Orxata_> so
233[02:00:14] <Orxata_> my man page for qsort is from 1993
234[02:00:19] <tesko> damn thanks annadane
235[02:00:21] <Orxata_> I'm using debian 9
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237[02:00:26] <annadane> or rather i know where you get them from but i forget the full name of how to find it
238[02:00:36] <Orxata_> why is that?
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240[02:00:50] <annadane> Orxata_, man pages aren't always up to date
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242[02:01:04] <Orxata_> ok
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244[02:01:10] <Orxata_> how can I update it, annadane?
245[02:01:52] <annadane> Orxata_, it's likely that that man page is the most up to date, at least in the repository
246[02:01:54] <annadane> it
247[02:02:05] <annadane> it's possible i'm wrong but it would have been updated already if there were a newer one
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251[02:02:21] <Orxata_> annadane: on ubuntu, the man page of qsort is from 2013
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253[02:02:47] <Orxata_> and it's a little bit different, in the sense that there are more examples and explanations of the parameters
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255[02:03:12] <annadane> let me look into this
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257[02:03:15] <Orxata_> sure
258[02:03:32] <jmcnaught> ,v manpages-dev
259[02:03:34] <judd> Package: manpages-dev on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.44-1; jessie: 3.74-1; jessie-backports: 4.10-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.10-2; stretch-backports: 4.12-1~bpo9+1; buster: 4.12-2; sid: 4.12-2
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261[02:03:49] <Orxata_> I've got the manpages-dev pkg
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264[02:04:03] <jmcnaught> Orxata_: which release of Debian are you using? what version of that package do you have?
265[02:04:14] <annadane> yeah no, you're totally right, replaced-url
266[02:04:23] <annadane> sorry for stupid assumptions
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268[02:04:53] <macrocat_> ,v nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver
269[02:04:54] <judd> Package: nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver on amd64 -- jessie-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 340.102-1; buster/non-free: 340.102-3; sid/non-free: 340.102-3
270[02:05:06] <Orxata_> thx, annadane
271[02:05:13] <Orxata_> I would like to update it
272[02:05:34] <Orxata_> jmcnaught: Debian 9, and how can I look which version of manpackages-dev I have?
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275[02:06:13] <jmcnaught> Orxata_: 'apt-cache policy manpages-dev' shows you the installed and candidate versions
276[02:06:15] <Orxata_> manpages, sorry
277[02:06:19] <Orxata_> ok
278[02:06:43] <Orxata_> my version is 4.10-2
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280[02:07:14] <metax> well
281[02:07:15] <metax> guys
282[02:07:32] <metax> i installed debian 9 on dell poweredge using a USB flash drive
283[02:07:56] <metax> during installation the partitioner saw the devices as: /dev/sda for USB installation media and /dev/sdb for HDD
284[02:08:12] <jmcnaught> Orxata_: that's the same version as the man page that annadane linked to above, which has the date 2015-08-08 at the bottom of it
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286[02:08:19] <metax> after installation is complete, i removed the USB drive and debian went to initramfs telling me that /dev/sdb is not found :/
287[02:08:42] <metax> becuase the previously /dev/sdb is now /dev/sda... what should i modify in my FS ?
288[02:08:53] <Orxata_> then perhaps is the language, jmcnaught?
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291[02:10:18] <jmcnaught> Orxata_: maybe. what language is that man page in for you? I only have the English version of it
292[02:10:34] <annadane> if the man page is non english it wouldn't be surprising it's outdated
293[02:10:45] <annadane> translation being a volunteer effort
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295[02:11:15] <Orxata_> spanish
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297[02:11:54] <annadane> replaced-url
298[02:12:01] <Orxata_> good
299[02:12:02] <Orxata_> :)
300[02:12:03] <annadane> so i was actually right
301[02:12:29] <Orxata_> yeah
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303[02:12:55] <Orxata_> actually, isn't everything in debian a volunteer effor?
304[02:13:17] <awal1> exact
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307[02:14:03] <annadane> well, certain people develop as part of their jobs but i'm not sure what the policy is in totality
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309[02:14:17] <annadane> debian certainly isn't centralized per company
310[02:15:14] <Penta1> Greetings. When I enter "convert *.jpg *.pbm" in the terminal, all the jpgs in the folger get just converted to "*.pbm"
311[02:15:18] <annadane> feel free to translate the newer english man page into spanish :D
312[02:15:25] <Penta1> What do I need to enter so I don't have to convert every file manually?
313[02:15:37] <metax> omg how do i modify grub's grub.cfg setting default hd1 and /dev/sdb as a primary HDD? I need it to be hd0 and /dev/sda
314[02:15:41] <Orxata_> sure! how can I do it? : d
315[02:15:49] <metax> i do not remember jessie having this trouble
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317[02:16:05] <annadane> hrm, good question, sec
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320[02:17:29] <annadane> replaced-url
321[02:17:52] <Orxata_> ok
322[02:18:02] <annadane> someone else probably knows better
323[02:18:10] <Orxata_> ok, thanks
324[02:18:16] <Orxata_> I will check it anyway
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326[02:18:36] <annadane> also replaced-url
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355[02:30:31] <netx> sorry metax, I checked my /boot/grub/grub.cfg and found no references to /dev/sdX. I did see references to hd0, so presumably you could try changing those. But all my root= statements referred to device UUIDs.
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358[02:31:08] <netx> If you do manage to get it booting, keep in mind that changes to /boot/grub/grub.cfg will get wiped the next time an upgrade changes grub, the kernel, etc.
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367[02:36:38] <altab> hello, I can't log in to my server (ssh), here is the log : replaced-url
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369[02:37:59] <abrotman> altab: did you try a different user?
370[02:38:06] <altab> yes
371[02:38:15] <abrotman> does it work?
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373[02:39:20] <altab> abrotman, same error
374[02:39:54] <abrotman> and you don't have access to the server logs?
375[02:40:53] <altab> yes, the pastebin is the server side log
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379[02:41:25] <altab> in /var/auth.log, it says password accepted
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382[02:42:47] <abrotman> altab: which version of linux is this? What did you change?
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384[02:43:41] <altab> abrotman, I changed nothing server side
385[02:44:25] <altab> abrotman, I can log in from my macbook, I don't know why, my problem is detailed here : replaced-url
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387[02:44:37] <altab> the only thing I did was client-side : installation and uninstall of Avira
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402[02:57:29] <altab> does anybody have an idea about my issue : replaced-url
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405[02:59:52] <abrotman> what is Avira?
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407[03:01:40] <altab> abrotman, it's a windows antivirus
408[03:01:53] <altab> avira antivir
409[03:02:15] <altab> replaced-url
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416[03:07:41] <abrotman> does it maybe also install a firewall or connection monitor?
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421[03:10:17] <altab> abrotman, yes but I uninstalled it and it looks like there is no problem to connect to the 22 port (see superuser question with telnet)
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434[03:17:21] <VG234> Using gnuroot debian on an android phone with a blue tooth keyboard. The allt key does not work. Is there a way I can activate the alt key?
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444[03:18:52] <abrotman> altab: you're restarted windows, yes?
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447[03:21:14] <altab> abrotman, yes
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454[03:24:24] <abrotman> altab: I'd probably try asking ##windows, this doesn't seem like a Debian problem
455[03:24:41] <altab> ok thanks for the help I'll disconnect anyway, it's late now
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512[03:58:41] <sumerian> I am looking for username: casablanca
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516[04:00:50] <annadane> sumerian, not really the right channel for that
517[04:00:57] <annadane> this is support for debian questions
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526[04:03:11] <sumerian> okay thanks, annadane
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585[04:45:32] <buu> ok
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587[04:45:36] <buu> sudo question
588[04:47:13] <buu> Why does sudo -iE bash -c 'cd /foo && git pull' properly use my ssh credentials from $SSH_AUTH_SOCK' but sudo -iEu replaced-url
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593[04:49:01] * nvz makes cricket chirping sounds
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598[04:49:09] <buu> =[
599[04:49:19] <buu> I have $SSH_AUTH_SOCKET in my env...
600[04:49:42] <buu> oh
601[04:49:47] <nvz> heh
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603[04:49:58] <buu> I see
604[04:50:09] <nvz> pretty obvious eh?
605[04:50:54] <buu> =[
606[04:51:35] <buu> Well, I found the specific problem
607[04:52:07] <nvz> as in the one you couldn't find running a diff on the two commands? :P
608[04:52:18] <buu> ?
609[04:52:29] <buu> The problem was permissions on a directory above the file I modified
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611[04:53:00] <buu> The ssh auth socket is stored in a file in tmp, so I modified its perms to be readable for my sudo user
612[04:53:09] <buu> But didn't change the directory it lived in because I couldn't see the slash
613[04:54:12] <nvz> it was fairly obvious the issue was permissions given the -u
614[04:54:27] <buu> yeah but I thought I had already changed them
615[04:54:42] <buu> the lack of error message doesn't help
616[04:54:57] <buu> replaced-url
617[04:55:01] <buu> uhhhh
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619[04:56:06] <buu> So how does this code EVER WORK
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622[04:57:31] <tripkin> Is there anybody here that knows how to permanently manage the dpms settings on Stretch? I can use the xset command, but it is only temporary - as it it lasts about an hour or so before being set back to default. I would like to disable it permanently...
623[04:58:47] <tripkin> I have it disabled in settings and screen saver, but my monitors keep going blank even if I have a video playing. This never used to do this, so I suspect an update triggered the change.
624[04:59:43] <nvz> tripkin: I'd give setting options in the xorg config a try
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626[05:00:45] <nvz> tripkin: replaced-url
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628[05:01:17] <tripkin> Thanks nvz, I will look there. That is one I had not looked at yet...
629[05:01:19] <nvz> I'd try first just setting Option "DPMS" "false" and if that doesnt work, leave it true but set the blank time to 0
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632[05:02:02] <tripkin> Ok. Thanks
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634[05:02:55] <nvz> in the past xset always worked for me, I'd just add it to my session file.. but you may also want to consult your xorg.log and see if there are hints as to why its resetting
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639[05:05:06] <tripkin> I don't seem to be using an xorg.conf, but I do have an Xsession.d and Xsession.options. Am I using one of these instead of xorg.cong or xorg.conf.d?
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645[05:07:10] <nvz> no xorg.conf has been an autogenerated thing for a long time now. you want to follow the examples in that link and create a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ such as 10-dpms.conf or whatever
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649[05:09:05] <nvz> xorg autogenerates the config everytime it runs, it'll read in files from xorg.conf.d/ and use their settings to override the autogenerated defaults
650[05:09:06] <tripkin> I see. Just read the docs at debian.org/Xorg
651[05:09:40] <tripkin> Yup, got it. Thanks again. Don't go far though, just in case... <grin>
652[05:10:04] <nvz> yeah.. well don't go reading docs anymore.. nobody ever solved anything that way :P
653[05:11:57] <tripkin> No doubt! LOL
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655[05:13:07] <nvz> people only write those things because they really enjoy it.. and they find it amusing when people read them thinking they can help themselves.. when if you could do it yourself, you didn't need help
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708[05:36:55] <tripkin> heh
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710[05:37:17] <tripkin> I found xorg.conf.d in /usr/share/X11 - go figure
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725[05:51:46] <tripkin> nvz, thanks again for your help and suggestions. All good now.
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749[06:13:34] <Trap-Chan> does debian have good support for convertible laptop/tablet pcs? like multitouch support, gestures, sensing the fold state to do things like deactivate the keyboard/turn on rotation/increase ui element sizes?
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767[06:33:07] <udev_error> Trap-Chan: Last time I tried with my dell convertible (a year and a half to two years ago) it was just so so. Some things didn't work that well, Keyboard deactivation was fine, rotation was fine, multitouch was fine. I can't remember off of the top of my head what didn't work but I know that it was enough that I stopped trying to use it as a convertible. I'm sure it's better now. Maybe someone else can chime in with more r
768[06:33:10] <udev_error> ecent and more accurate info.
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1070[10:00:19] <neoclust> hi
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1084[10:08:33] <brainsoft> can I have both gnome and xfce simultaneusly and pick the one i want when I start the system?
1085[10:08:47] <xand> you can choose when you login
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1088[10:09:29] <brainsoft> ok thanks
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1105[10:26:13] <simbalion> Hi, I want to disable the gnome-keyring, but I can't remove it because then apt wants to remove gnome with it, and I need gnome. How can I disable the keyring?
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1111[10:28:42] <babilen> simbalion: You could just mark the packages that constitute "gnome" in your opinion as manually installed.
1112[10:28:45] <babilen> dpkg: install gnome
1113[10:28:46] <dpkg> To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. replaced-url
1114[10:29:11] <babilen> I guess you are in the "5." crowd
1115[10:29:17] <simbalion> babilen: What does my opinion have to do with anything. I just want to disable the gnome-keyring-daemon, because it's annoying and useless.
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1117[10:30:32] <simbalion> I use KeePass for password management. Because it is neither annoying nor useless. And the gnome-keyring has a _retarded_ modal popup asking for an unlock password. It'd be fine if it wasn't modal and I could use KeePass's auto-type feature with it, but since it is modal I have to use a mouse to copy and paste the unlock password.
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1120[10:32:08] <babilen> simbalion: Your opinion matters as only you know which packages you really want to keep .. To me the keyring is a pretty important part of the Gnome desktop environment and removing it wouldn't be in line with my idea of "having gnome installed"
1121[10:33:03] <babilen> I'm not saying that what you are trying to do is wrong or even misguided, but it is up to you to define which packages you want to have installed and which you want to see removed
1122[10:33:19] <simbalion> babilen: I don't know what packages I need, whatever is required by various gnome apps?
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1125[10:34:00] <simbalion> The keyring is not that important. My keyring has like 8 things in it, a couple gpg passwords, nextcloud sync passwords, and chrome passwords. I don't even use chrome but it has entries anyway for some reason.
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1128[10:34:16] <simbalion> I use a few dozen other apps and none of them use the keyring so I wouldn't call it a "necessary" part of the desktop.
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1131[10:34:33] <simbalion> And the apps that do use the keyring support entry from keepass just fine
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1138[10:35:47] <simbalion> It's stupid. I mean if I met the person who designed this in person I would tell him/her to their face that it's stupid. And that's not something I'd normally do. If the unlock dialog wasn't modal that would be a bit less stupid. At the very least there should be an option to disable the modal dialog. But the only option I have is to be annoyed by useless extra layers of security, or disable encryption of my
1139[10:35:49] <simbalion> keys entirely. That's f'ing stupid.
1140[10:36:02] <babilen> Ranting in here won't change anything
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1144[10:36:35] <babilen> Mark the packages (high-level) you want to keep as manually installed and remove gnome-keyring .. if that would still trigger the removal of packages you want to keep then mark those too. Rinse and repeat.
1145[10:36:39] <simbalion> Sorry, I don't know where to rant. and I don't understand how a stupid submission for such an "important feature" was used. Where is the sense. But anyway, there must be some way to just disable it?
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1147[10:37:06] <simbalion> babilen: I'm afraid I would break something doing that.
1148[10:37:33] <simbalion> I've seen some posts about removing execute permission from the keyring daemon, I might just do that, but I understand that would likely bloat my logs with errors
1149[10:37:40] <babilen> The worst that could happen is that you have to install certain packages again .. Start with the session, gdm3 and network-manager-gnome and take it from there
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1152[10:38:09] <simbalion> No that's not the worst that could happen. The worst is that I'd have to install packages again but have no idea what I need to install.
1153[10:38:36] <babilen> I guess you will run into other packages that you want to remove and that would trigger the removal of "gnome" .. this is due to the way you installed Gnome and the way these metapackages are designed
1154[10:38:40] <simbalion> and there'd be like 50 of them or something ridiculous like that and X wouldn't work without them etc etc
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1159[10:40:18] <mattgirv> simbalion: Then pull in the base packages, and augment functionality that is either broken or missing with the packages that were left behind.
1160[10:40:43] <simbalion> hrm I may have found a solution, the gnome keyring website has a page about auto-unlocking based on pam
1161[10:40:48] <mattgirv> simbalion: There isn't really any other way to do it without some botch like changing permissions for the daemon/whatever, and you'll end up with a ton of garbage in your logs.
1162[10:41:02] <mattgirv> simbalion: Also, if you reset your keyring and leave it blank, it won't prompt you afaik
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1164[10:41:10] <simbalion> I can't leave it blank
1165[10:41:10] <babilen> simbalion: Did you actually try what I suggested? I mean we can talk about this all day, but in the end it boils down to sorting out the "manually installed" flag of a handful of packages to your liking
1166[10:41:21] <simbalion> Google Chrome, for example, will auto-populate it with keys
1167[10:41:33] <simbalion> babilen: I appreciate your help.
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1171[10:42:54] <babilen> Feel free to paste the output of apt runs if you aren't sure, but with "apt-mark manual gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome" and a following "apt -s remove gnome-keyring" you'd be off to a good start
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1193[10:56:31] <simbalion> I found a real solution, apparently LightDM has the functionality built in but it's disabled by default. this website: replaced-url
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1262[11:26:38] <MaxFrames> what's the most convenient command in debian to search for some text in any text file on a given partition?
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1264[11:27:27] <MaxFrames> would "cd /" followed by "grep -r mytext *" do?
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1267[11:29:32] <Iridos> kind of yes
1268[11:29:50] <epsilon> that may take a while, cause it will also search all binary files
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1270[11:30:41] <Iridos> and that should be "." and not "*" for really all files… depends on what this is for
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1272[11:31:02] <mattgirv> You could use -I to ignore binaries too
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1274[11:31:35] <Iridos> what are all these new options to grep
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1276[11:32:24] <mattgirv> New? It's been around for over a decade at least :P
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1278[11:33:51] <Iridos> that'd help, but it still needs to open each file and sometimes text files are being mis-categorized
1279[11:34:07] <Iridos> the way from before the -r option to grep was to use find
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1281[11:34:27] <MaxFrames> thanks
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1284[11:34:52] <Iridos> like find . -type f -name ''*something*' -exec grep -il somestring {} +
1285[11:34:56] <mattgirv> yep and pipe it through, tbf there are plenty of ways to do it but it helps being a bit more specific with what you're after (ie.. is it just a certain type of file or could it be anything/etc)
1286[11:35:00] <Iridos> that also uses the newfangled + stuff!
1287[11:35:59] <Iridos> mattgirv, you cannot expect from me to check on every little unix command line tool once a decade!
1288[11:36:30] <mattgirv> Iridos: Of course. It becomes even more confusing when you use different systems with their own implementations
1289[11:36:34] <Iridos> that'd take a decade!
1290[11:36:56] <Iridos> yeah, but the gnu stuff is now pretty much everywhere
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1307[11:47:56] <chomwitt> hi from greece.
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1322[11:56:29] <rue_bed> my upgrade broke and I had to manually install the kernel package, but now apt is freaking out cause it cant configure it over the old one, how can I force it to give up
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1324[11:56:49] <rue_bed> can I clear the status of that package?
1325[11:57:13] <rue_bed> can I force it to think its successfully configured?
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1329[11:57:38] <rue_bed> I been tru dpkg and apt help and I cant see any way to do it
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1332[11:58:35] <rue_bed> if I can even force it to remove the package I'm ok
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1340[12:03:17] <rue_bed> I cant even figure out where the file is that says that it still needs to be configured
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1349[12:07:37] <rue_bed> got it!
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1364[12:11:16] <Iridos> an actual error message would have helped, I think
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1386[12:13:10] <elektromacumba> hi is possible to block all traffic with iptables and show a warning html page?
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1402[12:19:01] <yurij> Hello everybody! Please, hint me. Is debian/control file can involve shell variables. I read about debian/substvars but it's not strictly what I want. Can I organize write debian/control file in that manner: replaced-url
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1424[12:29:37] <rudi_s> elektromacumba: Yes, no. If you want to show a warning you need a webserver.
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1426[12:31:15] <Epakai> yurij: What's wrong with substvars? It seems like you can just create a rule in debian/rules to generate whatever you want in substvars
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1430[12:34:23] <yurij> Epakai: Thank's for advice. Maybe I simething omit... I try it
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1437[12:38:37] <vlt> elektromacumba: Show a warning where?
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1469[12:55:15] <xuhui> :)
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1488[13:01:53] <wrksx> hey there
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1493[13:03:20] <wrksx> I've got a debian server with apache2 mod php5 and an url returning http error 500. I've looked in /var/log/apache2/ but cannot find any logged error
1494[13:03:23] <wrksx> any idea ?
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1497[13:04:36] <gpunk> wrksx: there must be a message in /var/log/apache2/*error*.log
1498[13:04:37] <mattgirv> wrksx: PHP probably is the cause, and isn't set to log by default
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1503[13:04:50] <mattgirv> wrksx: Check your php.ini
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1505[13:05:09] <wrksx> mattgirv: no error_log set in php.ini, ain't there no default set?
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1507[13:05:37] <jelly> wrksx: which virtualhost is relevant, are you looking at the right logs?
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1511[13:06:02] <jelly> apache2ctl -S # to see configured virtualhosts
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1513[13:06:25] <Snoras> cd /query schwarzbaer
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1516[13:07:20] <xmistiryo> ciao
1517[13:07:22] <xmistiryo> LIst
1518[13:07:36] <wrksx> jelly: I've checked my vhost log and generic error.log
1519[13:07:45] <mattgirv> wrksx: Nope it's usually all commented out, error_reporting, and if you want to log to file, logerrors. But do what jelly said first, I just assumed you knew where your logs were and that there wasn't anything relevant there
1520[13:07:55] <mattgirv> *log_errors
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1545[13:11:19] <tokrm> hi
1546[13:11:24] <tokrm> i can't switch to tty1
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1549[13:11:33] <tokrm> when i switch it just freeze screen as is
1550[13:11:58] <wrksx> mattgirv: actually I can see the 500 http error code in the access log of the corresponding vhost, but there is no error in the vhost error log
1551[13:12:17] <wrksx> mattgirv: so I supposed the error logging in php is probably failing
1552[13:12:23] <wrksx> suppose
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1558[13:14:59] <ksk> apache can have 500 errors where it is not able to log anything.
1559[13:15:46] <wrksx> ksk: so there is no way to investigate the error ?
1560[13:16:06] <ksk> in my experience shitty php code is the reason.
1561[13:16:17] <mattgirv> wrksx: It might not be PHP related, I was just mentioning that it doesn't log by default, so if it is a fault with a module/etc you probably won't know
1562[13:16:26] <mattgirv> but yeah it could be anything, poorly formatted code, permission errors, you name it
1563[13:16:28] <ksk> you can always investigate, maybe start stracing the webserver process and take a log
1564[13:16:47] <ksk> s/log/look
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1566[13:17:41] <wrksx> ksk sounds interesting, but I know nothing about tracing processes
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1568[13:18:16] <wrksx> ksk I can read, but is tracing process a good google search or is there any known keywords I can look for?
1569[13:18:36] <tomreyn> what does the 500 status log record actually say?
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1575[13:21:59] <wrksx> tomreyn: replaced-url
1576[13:22:42] <wrksx> mattgirv: I suppose that if I enable log_error in php.ini it will log ?
1577[13:22:50] <wrksx> I mean I can set it to a file
1578[13:23:20] <mattgirv> wrksx: log_errors, and you need to set error_reporting according to what you actually want to log
1579[13:23:31] <mattgirv> but there should be some lines you can just uncomment iirc
1580[13:23:52] <mattgirv> and you'll need to restart your services afterwards
1581[13:24:02] <wrksx> mattgirv: right I'll give that a try and see if I can get something logged
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1583[13:24:18] <wrksx> mattgirv: thanks
1584[13:24:56] <mattgirv> wrksx: Otherwise strace is probably your best bet, but there are undoubtably countless examples for apache/php
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1586[13:25:19] <mattgirv> re your google concern :P
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1589[13:26:42] <tomreyn> is the request to /sitemap.xml actually processed by mod_php?
1590[13:27:40] <tomreyn> my bet is that you have some broken .htaccess file
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1594[13:28:18] <korth> hi
1595[13:28:29] <korth> when clicking one time on power button it's turned off the computer why?
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1597[13:28:39] <korth> cause i remembre on windows it didn't do that
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1599[13:29:43] <SuperSeriousCat> You can change the behavior in your "Power Manager" program
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1602[13:30:14] <korth> it selected as "Ask"
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1605[13:30:59] <korth> replaced-url
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1610[13:31:52] <SuperSeriousCat> Strange. Same here and I just tested mine. It worked
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1612[13:32:02] <korth> you use xfce?
1613[13:32:15] <SuperSeriousCat> Ye
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1615[13:32:25] <korth> so your computer turned off?
1616[13:32:41] <SuperSeriousCat> No. The box asking what i wanted to do popped up
1617[13:32:49] <korth> mine not
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1619[13:33:00] <korth> and i click one time
1620[13:33:06] <mattgirv> korth: acpi is probably overriding whatever xfce uses
1621[13:33:07] <korth> on the power button
1622[13:33:19] <korth> mattgirv: in windows it didn't do that
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1625[13:33:55] <mattgirv> korth: Windows doesn't have anything to do with it.
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1628[13:34:37] <korth> SuperSeriousCat: can you post ss of that ask dialog?
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1631[13:35:24] <SuperSeriousCat> Same box that you get when you pres the power off button in menu
1632[13:35:33] <mattgirv> korth: I don't use xfce so can't comment for sure, but you can probably set systemd to ignore the power button in your /etc/systemd/login.conf , and maybe it'll work then.
1633[13:36:03] <mattgirv> I'm guessing something else was configured beforehand and probably gets called before the xfce power manager
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1636[13:36:42] <mattgirv> korth: sorry, typo - /etc/systemd/logind.conf
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1642[13:38:23] <korth> what to do there?
1643[13:38:44] <mattgirv> korth: Uncomment the HandlePowerKey line, and change it to ignore
1644[13:38:54] <mattgirv> korth: so HandlePowerKey=ignore
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1647[13:39:25] <korth> is it what it suppose to do?
1648[13:39:46] <korth> oh nvm it's comment
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1650[13:40:01] <korth> im new to these stuff so forgive me for this stupid questions
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1652[13:40:22] <mattgirv> no worries, then just restart and try it.
1653[13:40:24] <korth> so if i will do what you offer will i get the dialog?
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1656[13:41:31] <mattgirv> no guarantees, but it'll stop the behaviour of it shutting down with the power button. If XFCE has configured itself correctly, it should have an event handler configured anyway.
1657[13:41:39] <korth> i see cool
1658[13:41:41] <korth> im going to try :D
1659[13:41:50] <korth> linux is action!!
1660[13:42:03] <mattgirv> you might be better asking an xfce user, it could be if you installed it manually that you missed a couple of essential packages, couldn't comment on that personally though.
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1662[13:42:20] <korth> i asked in xfce and there is an op and he told me to ask that question here
1663[13:42:35] <korth> and i downloaded the debian with xfce so i didn't install manually
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1665[13:43:07] <korth> wait
1666[13:43:25] <korth> this change is on one click on power button or on all clicks?
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1668[13:43:38] <mattgirv> eh?
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1671[13:44:06] <korth> If I will change it and hold the power button what will happen?
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1673[13:44:18] <mattgirv> it'll still turn off, that's nothing to do with your OS
1674[13:44:21] <korth> I mean will it affect that too?
1675[13:44:38] <korth> so this change is only for one press on power button?
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1678[13:45:18] <mattgirv> korth: Well pressing once will initiate a shutdown, holding it is the equivalent of pulling the plug
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1680[13:45:48] <korth> ok
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1685[13:48:24] <korth> brb check and will report
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1694[13:54:21] <korth> hi! i was there and someone helped me with the power button thing.. so thank you
1695[13:54:28] <mattgirv> korth: It works now?
1696[13:54:32] <korth> yes!
1697[13:54:35] <mattgirv> Cool
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1701[13:55:57] <korth> i have another thing with display/monitor. when i unplug the monitor connected to laptop the screen on laptop is not displayed maybe because of xrandr or something. can i automate it or any way to fix because i can't use display
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1709[14:00:05] <mattgirv> that's another question that depends on xfce really, no idea whether it can do that or not. you're right though, if you run xrandr --auto, it should reconfigure to your available displays
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1714[14:02:06] <mattgirv> if there's no way for xfce to do it manually, I guess you could write a udev rule to call that when you plug/unplug screens.
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1717[14:03:45] <korth> After I ran xrandr --auto the second monitor is same as laptop monitor. And there is some fn key on my laptop that i can make second display work without the laptop monitor.
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1720[14:05:08] <korth> so i guess my only option is udev rule on unplug
1721[14:05:17] <korth> which i need to research about it
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1726[14:06:28] <waflessnet> ./
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1728[14:06:54] <BenNZ> korth: the laptop monitor shouldnt switch off when the other is unplugged , altho i would unplug the monitor without disabling it first , so i would look at why it does that
1729[14:07:30] <BenNZ> korth: if it isnt already make sure its set to be the primary monitor , not sure if that has anything to do why it is switching off
1730[14:08:25] <korth> BenNZ: I am not sure too. I set xrand --auto and on my laptop there is fn key to set display so I make the second monitor to work only and when I unplug the hdmi cable the laptop screen not turn back on..
1731[14:08:36] <korth> xrandr*
1732[14:08:58] <BenNZ> korth: i dont use --auto , does it set a monitor to primary ?
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1739[14:10:22] <korth> BenNZ: xrandr --auto make both monitor show the same thing
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1741[14:11:04] <mattgirv> korth: I only suggested that to restore your display because you said it was black when you unplugged your secondary monitor
1742[14:12:00] <mattgirv> korth: you're better off specifying your own configuration for how you want it displayed, --auto is more like a default fallback
1743[14:12:07] <korth> i see
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1745[14:12:22] <korth> so how do i configure it?
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1747[14:12:50] <korth> right now when i connect the second monitor i need only it displayed. and when i unplug i need to see the laptop screen
1748[14:13:01] <BenNZ> korth: also is the laptop monitor off or just low brightness
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1753[14:13:44] <korth> BenNZ: right now that only second monitor is displayed the laptop monitor is off
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1755[14:14:22] <BenNZ> korth: try setting the monitor manually and not use --auto , also set a primary monitor and see if you get the same behaviour
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1758[14:16:13] <korth> how can i do hat?
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1760[14:16:16] <korth> that*
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1784[14:29:09] <unborn> hi all, how can I install google chrome on debian 9?
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1786[14:29:38] <unborn> ./package seems not working
1787[14:29:48] <towo`> download the deb, install it
1788[14:29:56] <towo`> where is the problem?
1789[14:30:14] <unborn> towo`: it fails.. saying sorry cannot install this package.
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1791[14:30:38] <towo`> unborn, without the exact error, no one will and can help you
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1796[14:33:02] <unborn> towo`: its saying : sorry this did not work..
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1798[14:33:12] <towo`> never ever
1799[14:33:21] <unborn> the file is not supported
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1801[14:33:34] <towo`> no one knows, what you are doon
1802[14:33:41] <towo`> doing
1803[14:34:14] <unborn> youre so incompetent. that is explaining a lot..
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1806[14:34:27] <towo`> which package you have downloaded, what command you use for installing?
1807[14:34:29] <korth> so much topics stuff... how can i learn about linux to understand better?
1808[14:34:31] <unborn> towo`: Im running debian long time.. that is the reason I came here and ask
1809[14:34:50] <korth> mattgirv: also if you know because you answered my question.
1810[14:34:51] <unborn> towo`: the one from google
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1812[14:35:04] <unborn> you know deb..
1813[14:35:05] <towo`> unborn, are you kidding me?
1814[14:35:10] <unborn> no
1815[14:35:16] <towo`> it seems so
1816[14:35:35] <towo`> apt install /path/to/google-crome.deb
1817[14:35:46] <wrksx> tomreyn: .htaccess issue ? interesting =) just back from lunch will investigate now thx
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1819[14:35:59] <unborn> did try that.. again - file is not supported
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1822[14:36:27] <unborn> i am saying i did try all options known to me.. it all fails
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1824[14:36:35] <unborn> that is why i am here.. eh
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1827[14:38:38] <babilen> korth: Reading replaced-url
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1829[14:38:54] <unborn> towo`: all was installed is gnome and ssh and standard utilities
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1835[14:39:05] <unborn> fresh desktop / laptop
1836[14:39:23] <babilen> unborn: Could you paste your *exact* command and its entire output to replaced-url
1837[14:39:34] <unborn> sure
1838[14:39:36] <korth> babilen: what will i gain reading it? is it good reading?
1839[14:39:37] <unborn> one moment
1840[14:40:31] <babilen> korth: It is good reading and you will gain a deeper/better understanding of the Debian system. There are, obviously, plenty of other books that discuss other aspects
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1843[14:41:42] <korth> and is that book recommend to read instead of other books?
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1848[14:42:54] <babilen> korth: It's a good/great book that is free .. *Iff* you want to learn about Debian it is a good choice, if you want something else then there are other books. It really depends on what you want.
1849[14:43:25] <korth> i want to understand better stuff in linux and debian
1850[14:44:01] <korth> or is it better to just read from wiki and google?
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1857[14:45:42] <korth> babilen: i want to see what happen(which process created) when i click some shortcut key..
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1859[14:45:51] <korth> instead of running top and guessing
1860[14:46:07] <unborn> babilen: i got same error - sorry the package is not supported and in gui I have okay button
1861[14:46:20] <unborn> that is all
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1865[14:47:17] <babilen> unborn: You might want to try installing the package with "dpkg -i /path/to/pkg" rather than using graphical tools that are hard to support
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1870[14:48:02] <unborn> ...done that already....also mentioned here...
1871[14:48:10] <unborn> same stuff happen
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1876[14:49:22] <unborn> did debian introduce some singing packages stuff>
1877[14:49:25] <unborn> ?
1878[14:49:30] <unborn> or something?
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1880[14:50:31] <babilen> unborn: There is nothing we can help if you don't provide actual information .. run the command and paste it along with its entire output
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1882[14:51:05] <abrotman> "same stuff"
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1886[14:52:17] <unborn> - babilen as I thought so. thanks for your 'help' - so debian disable google chrome install to install useless chromium shit
1887[14:52:21] <unborn> nice.
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1889[14:52:30] <towo`> har har
1890[14:52:47] <babilen> unborn: Are you alright or should we be concerned?
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1895[14:54:18] <unborn> babilen: ? what are you asking.. i came here for pure help.. not tossing around - i am a bit ashame to ask for help with my knowledge, but debian 9 is new to me - that is all.. sorry if I did upset you.
1896[14:54:26] <unborn> Im okay.. thanks
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1901[14:55:39] <unborn> - thanks for helping me guys. (other ect....)
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1906[14:57:35] <babilen> unborn: I have been very clear as to what is needed to help you (with this problem), but you seem to have problem providing that information.
1907[14:57:57] <unborn> how to install debian 9 unsupported package? mainly google chrome.. without woes...anyone?
1908[14:58:31] <towo`> and again, download the deb; apt install /path/to/the/chrome.deb
1909[14:58:39] <unborn> babilen: not at all.. do you need screenshot or something?
1910[14:58:51] <unborn> i will give it out..
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1912[14:58:56] <towo`> if it dos not work, provide the ecact output
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1914[14:59:14] <towo`> if it is to hard for you, to provide that relevant informations, go away
1915[14:59:28] <unborn> towo`: as i said.. package is not supported click okay
1916[14:59:40] <nvz> unborn: it'd be better if you run the command and just paste the output on paste.debian.net
1917[14:59:41] <towo`> unborn, you are kidding
1918[14:59:50] <towo`> there is nothing to klick, if you use apt
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1920[15:00:09] <unborn> okay Im giving out screenshot one momet please
1921[15:00:17] <babilen> unborn: I have never mentioned clicking or anything .. Please pay attention or work out your issues
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1925[15:01:02] <towo`> unborn, but since i'm incompetent in your eyes, have fun to help yourself
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1933[15:06:11] <blackflow> unborn: dpkg -i will do, but it doesn't install dependencies, so you additionally have to `apt --fix-broken install`
1934[15:06:20] <unborn> babilen: i did run package again.. from root as usual, it saying now that syntax, basically something is wrong about arch...im sure ty
1935[15:06:29] <unborn> that I am 64bit
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1937[15:06:58] <unborn> towo`: as you saying. of course forgive me tha
1938[15:07:09] <babilen> unborn: It might not have been obvious or you probably misunderstood, but: Run "dpkg -i /path/to/pkg" and paste its entire output to replaced-url
1939[15:07:28] <unborn> that I was ever asking.. - i must be an idiot to ask here. Im deeply sorry
1940[15:07:28] <babilen> Are you familiar with the process of copying text and pasting it into a pastebin?
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1942[15:07:41] <unborn> yap
1943[15:08:07] <unborn> run my own paste for years.. with my own api.. i do develop stuff babilen
1944[15:08:08] <babilen> Could you, in your own words, describe what that entails and how you might have failed to achieve that goal so far?
1945[15:08:09] <unborn> :)
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1955[15:14:31] <unborn> babilen: i did already.. i did told in human language - seems to me that is not enough somehow as - you know - previous issues with ops or admins. I do not think so I would be able to ask here as biased by ops here.. - this fundamentally upsets not only me but others as well.. I cannot post you an screenshot as this is new debian install having no connection to my api, nor internet - as I said cannot install google chrome... firefox is nice but years
1956[15:14:32] <unborn> behind - chromium is even more bad.., decades is not enough to describe.. - what was badly described in pass convos here in irc from my point? - I can learn this and be better!
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1963[15:17:57] <babilen> unborn: I don't want a screenshot .. I want you to run a command and paste its output
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1966[15:18:39] <unborn> babilen: - sure... please tell me the command
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1968[15:19:08] <unborn> i will write back to you exact error message if there is any
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1973[15:22:19] <johnkeates> unborn: Run "dpkg -i /path/to/pkg" and paste its entire output to replaced-url
1974[15:22:25] <johnkeates> then send the link to the paste back here
1975[15:22:34] <unborn> dpkg -i /path/to/pkg = su > dpkg -i ~/google.deb > package is not supported with button OK - any thoughts?
1976[15:22:35] <dpkg> package /path/to/pkg = su > dpkg -i ~/google.deb > package is not supported with button OK - any thoughts is already installed
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1978[15:22:59] <johnkeates> that's not what you would see on a terminal
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1982[15:23:16] <johnkeates> dpkg -i has no buttons
1983[15:23:16] * dpkg removes a liver from johnkeates and replaces it with has no buttons
1984[15:23:24] <johnkeates> thanks dpkg
1985[15:23:59] <johnkeates> dpkg -i john has boobs
1986[15:23:59] * dpkg installs john has boobs into johnkeates's head with a bone saw and a few screws
1987[15:24:05] <johnkeates> hmm, interesting
1988[15:24:08] <blackflow> and still no pastebin. lol! trolls be trolling
1989[15:24:13] <johnkeates> yes :p
1990[15:24:16] <johnkeates> i'd rather play with a bot
1991[15:24:24] <johnkeates> dpkg -i boobies
1992[15:24:24] <dpkg> package boobies is already installed
1993[15:24:26] <johnkeates> hehe
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1995[15:24:35] <nvz> /j #debian-bots or /msg dpkg
1996[15:24:42] <johnkeates> okay :(
1997[15:25:00] <mattgirv> he's probably typing it in gnome-shell or something and getting gdebi
1998[15:25:42] <blackflow> no, he's trolling.
1999[15:27:24] <unborn> well.... as debian lover I would not do this... but I have no other options.. shall I tell user to switch to ubuntu or something?
2000[15:28:14] <themill> You could answer the questions you've been asked. You know the drill.
2001[15:28:18] <mattgirv> unborn: There's even a Google Chrome repo, why don't you just look on the Google Chrome site as to how to install Google Chrome, it's extremely straightforward and if you can't figure it out from that, you are a lost hope.
2002[15:28:22] <babilen> unborn: You are not making sense .. we've been *very* clear as to what you have to do. Please refrain from derailing the discussion any further and either provide the information you have been asked to provide or remain silent.
2003[15:29:00] <jelly> mattgirv: the downloaded .deb even sets up that repo automagically when it's first installed
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2005[15:29:12] <unborn> babilen: i did.. i gave you output from screen and terminal..
2006[15:29:22] <mattgirv> jelly: /facepalm. Way beyond IRC paygrade then.
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2009[15:30:14] <themill> unborn: that's enough, thanks.
2010[15:30:43] <themill> let me know when you actually want help
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2014[15:32:21] <will_> can someone pls tell me how i can burn an iso to usb
2015[15:32:33] <will_> need to recover my surface book; cant work without it :(
2016[15:32:43] <will_> tried unetbootin, its not getting me anywhere
2017[15:32:45] <jelly> will_: which iso
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2019[15:32:52] <will_> windows install iso
2020[15:32:55] <will_> win10
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2023[15:33:21] <jelly> will_: use WoeUSB or WinUSB to create and write a bootable usb stick
2024[15:33:31] <jelly> neither is available in debian
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2027[15:34:22] <will_> so if not avaialable in debian..
2028[15:34:39] <will_> I have to get lke mint or ubuntu and do it iin there?
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2030[15:35:12] <jelly> that's an option, I think there was an upd8 repo for ubuntu with winusb binaries, once upon a time
2031[15:35:14] <mattgirv> you could do it manually if you build ms-sys (so you can write a win7 mbr)
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2033[15:35:22] <mattgirv> I don't think there are debian packages though
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2035[15:35:32] <jelly> ,v ms-sys
2036[15:35:33] <judd> No package named 'ms-sys' was found in amd64.
2037[15:35:38] <mattgirv> guess not
2038[15:35:44] <jelly> removed a long time ago, licensing issues
2039[15:36:09] <will_> ughhh; why is linux such a nightmare man.... :/
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2041[15:36:37] <themill> itym windows?
2042[15:36:37] <gpunk> will_: use dd , man
2043[15:36:38] <will_> it installs so nicely beside windows; i'd assume there'd be plenty of tools for windows isos
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2046[15:36:56] <will_> doesnt that just literally copy to the drive?
2047[15:37:01] <jelly> not really
2048[15:37:08] <will_> ok ill try that
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2050[15:37:12] <oerheks> get WOEusb from github ?? replaced-url
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2052[15:37:28] <jelly> oh, dd, yes, it does that. But in my experience the result does not boot
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2055[15:37:48] <mattgirv> dd won't work on any recent Windows past 7 (or maybe even Vista?)
2056[15:37:50] <jelly> (on an old 2011 uefi Thinkpad)
2057[15:37:51] <gpunk> jelly: it depends on the image , it might be hybrid , so yes
2058[15:38:00] <mattgirv> at least with their official ISOs
2059[15:38:06] <jelly> gpunk: Microsoft's Windows 10 images are not.
2060[15:38:08] <will_> oh man, so im outta luck here
2061[15:38:17] <oerheks> dd'ing a windows iso does not work, i can confirm that
2062[15:38:19] <mattgirv> will_: google ms-sys, grab it from sourceforge and build it
2063[15:38:31] <gpunk> jelly: weird
2064[15:38:32] <mattgirv> format an ntfs partition and create the mbr using ms-sys
2065[15:38:33] <jelly> woeusb may end up in Debian replaced-url
2066[15:38:33] <will_> i have no idea how to build from source
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2068[15:38:49] <mattgirv> will_: read the readme, it tells you how
2069[15:38:58] <jelly> will_: woeusb has instructions on how to build from source as well
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2072[15:39:38] <martastain> Hi, does someboy use home directories via NFS on desktops? I have problem with launching chromium browser - i guess it is related. linking .cache to local drive didn't help
2073[15:39:38] <jelly> I have not confirmed they work on Debian, used winusb back when I needed it
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2081[15:41:35] <gpunk> will_: dd might work, I would give it a try
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2084[15:42:01] <gpunk> you have nothing to loose ...
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2091[15:45:47] <jelly> gpunk: except time
2092[15:46:05] <gpunk> jelly: wouah, you are a genious
2093[15:46:10] <Tenkawa> bbiaf... i hope
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2119[15:58:24] <brainsoft> if im wheezy and never upgrade to jessie or whatever. apt files will be always there or i will lost all whezzy support and packages on 2018?
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2121[15:58:28] <brainsoft> what does this mean
2122[15:58:49] <brainsoft> Debian 7 “Wheezy”
2123[15:58:49] <brainsoft>
2124[15:58:49] <brainsoft> i386, amd64, armel and armhf
2125[15:58:49] <brainsoft>
2126[15:58:49] <gpunk> there an archive repository
2127[15:58:51] <brainsoft> from 26th April 2016 to 31st May 2018
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2129[15:58:59] <brainsoft> forever?
2130[15:58:59] <gpunk> is*
2131[15:59:26] <brainsoft> i move to debian 9 but php7 killed my game a lot of php code so I dont want to move to php7 ever
2132[15:59:38] <brainsoft> i'd had to recode a lot
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2134[15:59:41] <nvz> brainsoft: don't paste in here, and after that date there is no longer LTS updates available, it will be archived
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2136[15:59:48] <gpunk> me too I have a soft that doesnt like php7
2137[15:59:48] <brainsoft> sorry nvz
2138[15:59:59] <brainsoft> my question is
2139[16:00:07] <themill> If you want to receive security support for things (hint: you do), then you need to get that sorted
2140[16:00:44] <brainsoft> can I stay with wheezy forever?. will I always have to option to download new packages from apt?
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2145[16:01:00] <gpunk> you can , but they wont be new
2146[16:01:04] <themill> yes, broken and insecure packages will remain available.
2147[16:01:15] <babilen> (nor will they be secure or maintained)
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2152[16:03:49] <brainsoft> thank you all
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2154[16:04:12] <nvz> brainsoft: after LTS is up, you will still be able to install anything that existed from an archive mirror, but you will no longer have any security fixes or updates, or support of any kind. Its a fact of development that if you want to play the "game" as you say, you gotta update your code to work with the latest programming libraries
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2162[16:08:03] <annadane> and especially with something like the debian project you shouldn't just not upgrade because it breaks some obscure functionality; with a less reputable project that may be the case but you want the latest updates
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2171[16:12:51] <korth> hi
2172[16:12:58] <korth> does anyone here using feedreader?
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2174[16:13:14] <korth> i installed it but dont know how to run it
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2192[16:19:23] <wrksx> am I livbe
2193[16:19:28] <wrksx> hura
2194[16:20:27] <korth> what?
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2198[16:20:50] <annadane> ,v feedreader
2199[16:20:51] <judd> No package named 'feedreader' was found in amd64.
2200[16:21:01] <annadane> korth, where'd you install it from?
2201[16:21:03] <korth> i installed it with flatpak
2202[16:21:04] <korth> and
2203[16:21:13] <korth> w8
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2205[16:21:36] <korth> I installed these packages: xdg-desktop-portal xdg-desktop-portal-gtk flatpak. And then ran flatpak install replaced-url
2206[16:22:02] <annadane> it's not packaged for debian so i'm not sure this question belongs in a debian support channel
2207[16:22:09] <n4dir> feedreader is what it does, not the name of the application which does it. Like there is no " v, editor" or such. makes sense? annadane
2208[16:22:23] <korth> and then I look up for some executable feedreader and found it under /var/lib/flatpak/app/org.gnome.FeedReader/x86_64/stable/a6bb1d69c891e7497b80ef72e5bccc26848a4188f08a493daa340f5fa5d248b9/files/bin/feedreader
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2211[16:22:52] <korth> the permission -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1034920 Jan 1 1970 feedreader
2212[16:22:57] <korth> so does it mean i can't run it?
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2214[16:23:15] <korth> because the other group have x flag but why it doesn't let me run it?
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2217[16:25:45] <korth> annadane: any idea?
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2238[16:39:27] <korth> wow did you know about apt-file? this linux is genious!!
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2245[16:41:01] <n4dir> korth: apt-file is a gem of debian (and debian based ), not a general linux thing.
2246[16:41:13] <korth> gem?
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2249[16:41:33] <korth> nvm i found it
2250[16:41:36] <korth> gem is good stone :D
2251[16:41:42] <n4dir> imho the debian packagemanagement and it tools are outstanding good (gems).
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2253[16:41:56] <korth> so cool to discover things
2254[16:42:05] <n4dir> but then: i don't really know other packagemanagements that well.
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2256[16:42:29] <n4dir> korth: with feedreader you mean software with which you can read something like "news" ?
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2258[16:43:04] <n4dir> or you really want flatpak and only make use of feedreader there (whatever that might be)
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2260[16:43:34] <korth> n4dir: yes..
2261[16:43:52] <korth> the problem is that it look for some interpreter which it does not exist
2262[16:44:19] <n4dir> for flatpak?
2263[16:44:58] <korth> flatpak is a software that distribute softwars from my understanding
2264[16:45:05] <korth> replaced-url
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2266[16:45:28] <korth> it's just the feedparser looks well design software
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2268[16:45:58] <korth> and parsed the rss good and display.. and a few might display too but not for my eye
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2270[16:46:50] <n4dir> did you try liferea?
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2272[16:47:22] <korth> i didn't try it
2273[16:47:34] <n4dir> as far i understand flatpak (not well): imho it is a bad idea to install software from all kind of third parties.
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2276[16:47:47] <n4dir> best is to stick to what is to be found in the debian repositories
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2280[16:48:39] <korth> i might try it but how can i remove what i downloaded to not cause kernel panic or something?
2281[16:48:39] <n4dir> in the case of flatpak i might be wrong. Like said: i never heard of it.
2282[16:48:58] <korth> i just look for rss readers in google and i found it on top results
2283[16:49:00] <n4dir> how did you install it?
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2285[16:49:43] <korth> i said already
2286[16:49:50] <n4dir> well: sometimes there is something like "make uninstall" or such. Let's hope you will find it out by reading the README file or the FAQ at the flatpak site.
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2288[16:50:13] <korth> i first installed flatpak and through it it installed some softwares
2289[16:50:18] <korth> im trying to install as git now
2290[16:50:45] <korth> from git..
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2293[16:50:59] <n4dir> your choice. I stick to my opinion that the best is to stick to debian packagemanagement and what is in the repos.
2294[16:51:01] <somiaj> and in general we don't support thrid party software in #debian. Do you really need this softare? Is there something that debian already packages that would provide what you need?
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2296[16:51:38] <n4dir> somiaj: flatpak seems to be in the repos. not sure if it is the same thing though (never heard of it ever)
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2298[16:52:12] <annadane> !don't break debian
2299[16:52:12] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, dont break debian is replaced-url
2300[16:52:16] <annadane> korth ^
2301[16:52:22] <korth> i will check
2302[16:52:31] <somiaj> n4dir: ahh, didn't realize that.
2303[16:52:32] <korth> this long page..
2304[16:52:45] <tdn> What sources do I need to add in order to instal virtualbox in debian?
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2309[16:52:48] <korth> debian provide rss readers but they are not look good
2310[16:52:55] <korth> !virtualbox
2311[16:52:55] <dpkg> Oracle VM VirtualBox is an almost free software virtual machine solution. To install, see replaced-url
2312[16:53:00] <annadane> tdn, contrib and non-free
2313[16:53:01] <korth> tdn: ^
2314[16:53:02] <somiaj> tdn: virtualbox is not in debian stretch, so you won't be able to install it in stretch at the moment.
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2316[16:53:08] <somiaj> annadane: not in stretch.
2317[16:53:09] <annadane> oh, right
2318[16:53:25] <tdn> somiaj, darn it :(
2319[16:53:29] <somiaj> it *may* be provided via stretch-backports at some time.
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2321[16:53:41] <elektromacumba> rudi_s: the web server doesn't manage https
2322[16:53:42] <tdn> somiaj, what is the reason for this? licensing issues?
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2324[16:53:44] <somiaj> tdn: oracle won't allow virtualbox devs to backport security fixes
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2327[16:54:20] <tdn> What alternatives do you recommend for stretch?
2328[16:54:24] <somiaj> tdn: corprate policy, and if debian cannot provide security support via backports, it won't support/supply the package, hence it may be provided via backports, but not offically in stretch because it cannot have seucrity support on teh frozen system.
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2330[16:54:44] <somiaj> tdn: I find libvirt with qemu-kvm to work just fine. I switched to that a while ago when orcale got ahold of sun
2331[16:54:58] <tdn> somiaj, wil try that thanks
2332[16:55:20] <somiaj> tdn: though if you are wanting to make windows vm's, virtualbox or vmaware are better. qemu-kvm works great for linux guests though.
2333[16:55:33] <tdn> somiaj, ok
2334[16:55:41] <somiaj> you can use window's guests, they just don't have as many core libaries for windows to help them run better
2335[16:55:52] <tdn> somiaj, is there a management gui with qemu-kvm like there is with virtualbox?
2336[16:55:53] <korth> i should have used git instead of flatpak :<
2337[16:56:16] <somiaj> tdn: libvirt comes with virt-manager
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2339[16:56:37] <tdn> somiaj, ok.
2340[16:56:40] <somiaj> korth: what is your overall goal, what software are you trying to insatll that isn't in the debian repos.
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2342[16:56:55] <tdn> Is there a way to convert vbox machines to qemu-kvm?
2343[16:57:31] <annadane> "One of the primary advantages of Debian is its central repository with thousands of software packages. If you're coming to Debian from another operating system, you might be used to installing software that you find on random websites. On Debian installing software from random websites is a bad habit. It's always better to use software from the official Debian repositories if at all possible"
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2345[16:57:39] <annadane> from the page i posted
2346[16:57:39] <korth> somiaj: feedparser
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2349[16:57:51] <rudi_s> elektromacumba: Then what are you trying to achieve?
2350[16:58:01] <korth> it seems it rely on some gnome packages although some people in the github page says it is not rely on gnome
2351[16:58:03] <korth> lol
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2355[16:58:40] <somiaj> korth: do you mean python-feedparser or python3-feedparser or ruby-feedparser, all seem to be in debian stretch already.
2356[16:58:51] <korth> somiaj: they are not in debian repository
2357[16:59:14] <somiaj> korth: those three packages are in the debian repository.
2358[16:59:17] <somiaj> ,v python3-feedparser
2359[16:59:18] <judd> Package: python3-feedparser on amd64 -- buster: 5.1.3-3; jessie: 5.1.3-3; sid: 5.1.3-3; stretch: 5.1.3-3
2360[16:59:29] <korth> you don't understand
2361[16:59:41] <korth> that is a library for python prob
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2363[16:59:58] <korth> probs*
2364[17:00:12] <annadane> sigh
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2366[17:00:39] <somiaj> and are you sure that isn't what you want, seems you can get it in python2, python3 or ruby, depending on which language you want. There maybe even other software which uses those. But that maybe sufficent for your needs.
2367[17:00:43] <somiaj> ,v virtualbox
2368[17:00:44] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; buster/contrib: 5.1.26-dfsg-2; sid/contrib: 5.1.26-dfsg-2
2369[17:01:08] <crn_> nick crn
2370[17:01:15] <korth> somiaj: i don't need need library i need the progam itself
2371[17:01:25] <korth> do you know what is python? what is library? program?
2372[17:01:33] <somiaj> tdn: replaced-url
2373[17:01:40] <n4dir> korth: which program?
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2376[17:02:17] <korth> n4dir: what?
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2381[17:02:52] <n4dir> "i don't need library, i need the program itself" which program ?
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2385[17:04:11] <korth> n4dir: feedparser
2386[17:04:34] <n4dir> Homepage=replaced-url
2387[17:05:02] <somiaj> korth: if the libaries are in debian, there are is most likely software that uses the libary, it might not be feedparser but some other program you want?
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2403[17:10:13] <will_> in wine how do i allow a programm to read froma drive
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2405[17:11:03] <somiaj> will_: in what way? This is alreay allowed, though the paths are funky. You can use winecfg and configure drives to be relative to a path.
2406[17:11:23] <will_> well i wann use rufus to burn windows to a usb
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2408[17:11:37] <will_> the drop down for choosing drives is blank
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2411[17:12:01] <gpunk> will_: i dont think you can do that
2412[17:12:09] <will_> :(
2413[17:12:16] <will_> i did not wanna hear that
2414[17:12:18] <gpunk> use vbox or vmware ...
2415[17:12:25] <will_> what a long path
2416[17:12:29] <will_> alright
2417[17:12:31] <will_> which runs better
2418[17:12:32] <korth> there is no vmware in debian
2419[17:12:35] <korth> in linux*
2420[17:12:40] <korth> n4dir: yes
2421[17:12:41] <will_> im on a POS laptop
2422[17:12:46] <will_> yes there is
2423[17:12:49] <will_> im sure ive seen it beore
2424[17:12:55] <gpunk> there is vmware for linux
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2426[17:12:59] <korth> there is?
2427[17:13:00] <korth> O_O
2428[17:13:03] <n4dir> korth: installation gave no errors? Did you try to run "FeedReader" ?
2429[17:13:18] <korth> n4dir: i tried
2430[17:13:27] <will_> which vm runs smoothest on linux
2431[17:13:30] <n4dir> both feedreader and FeedReader ?
2432[17:13:36] <will_> when one is running windows, at least
2433[17:13:49] <korth> also the installation using flatpak didn't give errors but using git it tried to compile using c# compiler lol
2434[17:14:07] <gpunk> will_: are you still trying to burn a win10 image ?
2435[17:14:20] <n4dir> korth: i guess you will have to ask flatpak supportto which path it installs, etc.
2436[17:14:32] <will_> lol yes
2437[17:14:38] <gpunk> replaced-url
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2439[17:14:41] <gpunk> have fun !
2440[17:14:42] <will_> right now im trying something called etcher
2441[17:14:56] <will_> if that fails too ill go with the vm option
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2443[17:15:00] <korth> n4dir: i know where it installed and to ask them that it is ridiculous
2444[17:15:20] <korth> will_: what are you trying to do?
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2446[17:15:33] <n4dir> . /var/lib yada-yada is not a default path to install executalbe software.
2447[17:15:43] <gpunk> will_: you got my link?
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2450[17:16:26] <will_> so some msft crap called bitguard or whatever if preventing me from booting into my surface book. i bouht it used, so i guess its something corrupted from the last user. I'm thinking i can use a windows 10 recovery usb to do factory restore
2451[17:16:32] <will_> gpunk, yes, i hadnt tried that yet
2452[17:16:48] <gpunk> will_: that s what you need :)
2453[17:16:53] <n4dir> korth: it must contain something with bin (or sbin).
2454[17:17:17] <will_> truth is, I'm tired of cli based approaches, but i will try this if etcher fails. if that fails as well, i'll try a vm. If that fails too, well..
2455[17:17:19] <will_> i might hang
2456[17:17:25] <will_> figuratively
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2458[17:18:32] <korth> n4dir: nope i looked using find
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2460[17:18:48] <will_> gpunk, !!!
2461[17:18:52] <will_> "NOTE: We no longer support building from source archive provided in the GitHub Releases page as the software version is not set."
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2465[17:19:06] <will_> do still proceedwith it or no
2466[17:19:13] <n4dir> korth: then something is wrong, and then you will have to ask either flatpak or FeedReader.
2467[17:19:27] <gpunk> will_: I would ...
2468[17:19:55] <will_> alright etcher just finished time to test that
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2471[17:20:25] <gpunk> i need to go ... bye will_
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2475[17:20:50] <will_> alright cya
2476[17:20:56] <will_> ty very much :D
2477[17:20:59] <gpunk> :)
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2480[17:21:42] <korth> :<
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2482[17:21:56] <korth> i need feedparser because there is option to connect feedly account
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2485[17:22:45] <n4dir> good. then figure out how to install and use it. That has got nothing to do with debian.
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2488[17:23:29] <korth> sure
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2494[17:24:17] <Guest18143> does anyone know how is the program for recording screencasts in Debian GNOME called?
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2496[17:24:47] <Guest18143> I only know the default shortcut for it is ctrl+alt+shift+r
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2520[17:34:56] <korth> :<
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2531[17:37:23] <tommaso> Guest18143: EasyScreenCast
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2534[17:38:15] <korth> the packages i need replaced-url
2535[17:38:47] <Guest18143> tommaso: are you sure that's the name? can't find it in the repo
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2537[17:39:26] <annadane> korth, if the packages you need are in experimental don't use it
2538[17:39:31] <annadane> mixing stable + other repositories is bad
2539[17:39:34] <altab> hello, can someone help me please? I can not connect via SSH to my server from my Windows computer - full details here : replaced-url
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2541[17:39:39] <annadane> why not just use a feed reader which is actually in the repository
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2543[17:39:54] <korth> because im lazy to add each rss
2544[17:39:55] <annadane> you obviously didn't read "don't break debian"
2545[17:39:59] <korth> yep i didn't
2546[17:40:08] <annadane> well then go read it...
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2551[17:41:09] <korth> its too long
2552[17:41:24] <annadane> don't blame us when your system breaks, then
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2557[17:41:52] <jhutchins> korth: Don't expect us to spend time helping you if you won't spend time reading docs.
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2559[17:42:07] <Guest18143> "Debian Stable should not be combined with other releases."
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2562[17:42:46] <korth> :<
2563[17:42:56] <korth> i dont want to install debian again
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2566[17:43:26] <Guest18143> maybe try asking the people who made the software
2567[17:43:39] <Guest18143> if they could release it for stable?
2568[17:43:49] <Guest18143> or something
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2570[17:44:25] <korth> idk how to reach them
2571[17:44:53] <Guest18143> why not try posting an issue on github?
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2573[17:45:46] <Guest18143> or find out if they have an irc channel
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2576[17:47:00] <jelly> korth: if you tried building from source, which source packages were you missing?
2577[17:47:04] <korth> ty
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2580[17:47:14] <korth> i found #flatpak channel
2581[17:47:43] <jelly> (ie. which of replaced-url
2582[17:47:46] <wrksx> mattgirv: I found the reason for the http 500 error
2583[17:47:59] <korth> w8 i will pasetbin
2584[17:48:03] <wrksx> was that u I was talking to earlier ?
2585[17:48:19] <drinks2go> hi all, curious to know if I should be worried about an mce error "Processor context corrupt"... doesn't seem to have any impact on system stability
2586[17:48:23] <korth> jelly: replaced-url
2587[17:48:52] <korth> and when trying to install it cannot locate package libunity-dev andE: Package 'libcurl-dev' has no installation candidate
2588[17:48:58] <wrksx> mattgirv: not sure it was... anyway it's an xml tag in a php script that's messing up my php <?xml
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2590[17:49:07] <korth> the former is not in stable repo
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2592[17:49:56] <jelly> ,v libunity-dev
2593[17:49:57] <judd> No package named 'libunity-dev' was found in amd64.
2594[17:50:05] <korth> yep
2595[17:50:08] <korth> it's in beta or somewhere
2596[17:50:11] <jelly> curl dev package is just not called that way
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2598[17:50:23] <jelly> it's not anywhere
2599[17:50:31] <korth> so they are retards or something
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2601[17:50:48] <jelly> or are not targeting debian but a different distro
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2603[17:51:10] <korth> what do you mean different distro?
2604[17:51:17] <korth> can you list or link?
2605[17:51:22] <korth> cause debian is distro..
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2607[17:51:58] <drinks2go> "Failed to prefill DIMM database from DMI data"
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2609[17:52:11] <jelly> korth: dunno, like ubuntu or some other derivative that actually has those build deps
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2611[17:52:31] <korth> k
2612[17:52:36] <jelly> all the derivatives use the same build system
2613[17:52:41] <korth> well stupid to have discuss about it here
2614[17:52:49] <korth> im in #flatpak if you are interesting
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2616[17:53:06] <jelly> I'm interesting but not interested that much
2617[17:53:12] <korth> lol
2618[17:53:29] <korth> i think it worked
2619[17:53:31] <korth> :DDD
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2622[17:53:36] <korth> linux is the best!
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2625[17:53:49] <korth> well not a debian question sorry
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2627[17:53:56] <korth> but what offered if anyone interesting
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2629[17:54:11] <drinks2go> !offtopic
2630[17:54:11] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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2632[17:54:18] <korth> sorry than i won't post a solution
2633[17:54:25] <korth> and don't kick me too :D
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2635[17:54:47] <drinks2go> So... Anyone have experience troubleshooting with mcelog?
2636[17:55:09] <annadane> korth, PLEASE learn linux/debian practices before you run into another issue or break your system
2637[17:55:12] <jelly> !anyone
2638[17:55:12] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
2639[17:56:17] <drinks2go> Yes. I have an mce error. Trying to determine if it's a real issue or just ... logspam. Sorry, I had asked a proper question earlier, it got lost among all that up there ^^
2640[17:56:23] <korth> annadane: where to learn it?
2641[17:56:58] <annadane> korth, start by reading don't break debian
2642[17:57:07] <korth> and what more?
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2644[17:58:00] <annadane> well, that's the most important one for not totally destroying your system. there's a bunch of general information stuff available at replaced-url
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2646[17:58:05] <jelly> korth: debian handbook for regular use, probably, new maintainer's guide for packaging
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2648[17:58:15] <jelly> !handbook
2649[17:58:15] <dpkg> The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at replaced-url
2650[17:58:27] <jelly> and /msg dpkg nmg
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2652[17:58:41] <annadane> the handbook is also slightly outdated so replaced-url
2653[17:58:58] <annadane> but if you don't like reading at least read don't break debian
2654[17:59:10] <korth> is it update?
2655[17:59:13] <korth> ok
2656[17:59:32] <korth> so the dont break debian is the best
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2660[17:59:51] <annadane> it's not the "best", it will just help you avoid immediate breakage
2661[18:00:04] <korth> damn i have to log out
2662[18:00:13] <korth> and firefox have no option to bookmark all tabs lik in windows :<
2663[18:01:33] <jelly> firefox has a session manager these days, to start where you left off with all the tabs and windows from the last time
2664[18:01:50] <korth> session manager?
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2666[18:01:57] <korth> i am using private window like a boss!
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2669[18:02:16] <jelly> then you shot yourself in the foot
2670[18:03:17] <korth> i dont
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2673[18:04:00] <annadane> having session restore in a private window would kind of defeat the purpose
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2675[18:04:12] <Guest18143> that is true
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2677[18:04:26] <korth> then why there is restore tab in private window?
2678[18:04:31] <korth> isn't it destroy the purpose too?
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2680[18:05:20] <annadane> in any case this isn't really debian discussion, let's go to #debian-offtopic
2681[18:05:21] <korth> i brb
2682[18:05:28] <Guest18143> I don't know about that but you can always copy all the important links and paste them in a text file
2683[18:05:28] <korth> i will
2684[18:05:39] <korth> Guest18143: come to offtopic
2685[18:05:40] <cruncher> korth, of course firefox has bookmark all tabs
2686[18:05:42] <korth> will be there in 2 minutes
2687[18:05:47] <korth> cruncher: not on mine
2688[18:05:58] <Guest18143> I'm sure there also is a channel for firefox
2689[18:06:04] <korth> ye
2690[18:06:08] <korth> there is channel for everything
2691[18:06:09] <korth> brb
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2733[18:24:00] <korth> KDE is gnome + shit?
2734[18:24:02] <korth> lol just wondering
2735[18:24:06] <korth> wrong channel
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2759[18:36:02] <korth> hi
2760[18:36:06] <korth> got my feedparser works
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2762[18:36:14] <korth> if you need help come to #debian-offtopic
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2786[18:47:08] <FabTG_> hello everyone, I have described my question here: replaced-url
2787[18:47:19] <FabTG_> what do you think about it?
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2791[18:48:15] <annadane> FabTG_, you should probably wait for an answer from stackexchange...
2792[18:49:00] <annadane> well, whatever, it's a debian question, never mind
2793[18:49:13] <korth> how long do you think is question will be removed?
2794[18:49:23] <Guest18143> I want to run a program without giving it access to the network. How can I do that? I've tried with unset but then I need to run the program as root
2795[18:49:26] <korth> i mean how long do you think his question willbe alive
2796[18:49:27] <FabTG_> let's bet ;)
2797[18:49:48] <korth> i give your question 2 hour to be in stackexchange
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2800[18:50:11] <korth> Guest18143: not seems debian question
2801[18:50:15] <korth> but i can check that for you
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2803[18:50:44] <Guest18143> I'm asking how to do that on Debian :)
2804[18:50:49] <Guest18143> since it's the OS I run
2805[18:50:51] <korth> it does not matter
2806[18:50:59] <korth> if you ask me
2807[18:51:14] <annadane> Guest18143, depends on the program i would think
2808[18:51:23] <annadane> korth, stop, please
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2811[18:51:53] <Guest18143> annadane: really? there are different methods that work only for some programs?
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2816[18:52:44] <annadane> i'm not entirely certain. it's possible there is a solution for all programs but my best guess is that it depends on the program; in any case it's good to provide the most information you can unless you want to keep the program you're using a secret
2817[18:53:00] <annadane> which is legitimate
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2820[18:53:37] <gics> hello, i set accidentally a password for the user mysql, there is a way to remove it? i think in etc/shadow should there be an ! but i don't know how to go back, now there is the hash
2821[18:53:59] <annadane> Guest18143, someone probably knows better than i do
2822[18:54:14] <Guest18143> I want to know in general. I sometimes need to use non-free software and I'm worried that they might send my private information via internet
2823[18:54:23] <annadane> right
2824[18:54:36] <annadane> it's beyond my scope of knowledge unfortunately
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2826[18:54:45] <Guest18143> ok no problem
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2833[18:55:43] <tommaso> gics: sudo su; passwd --delete mysql; #should work
2834[18:56:34] <tommaso> Guest18143: to be sure I'd use a machine off the Internet ;)
2835[18:56:54] <tommaso> that might be virtual
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2837[18:57:06] <gics> tommaso, grazie ;)
2838[18:57:23] <Guest18143> tommaso: hehe yeah :) I could use a VM but they are slower, they take a lot of resources
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2844[18:58:45] <jasperarcola> Guest18143 : run a packet sniffer (tcpdump/wireshark) and see what network traffic it makes
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2846[18:58:53] <makeway> Hey, I'm having some issues with installing Debian. Not sure what's happening exactly, but when I'm booting into the iso to install it, it just dies and sits there permanently. Something on the keyboard causes the output to show up and I mentions something about an error in xorg.
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2848[18:59:33] <makeway> I'm using unetbootin on ubuntu to put the iso on the disk in the grub bootloader.
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2850[18:59:40] <annadane> !unetbootin
2851[18:59:40] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
2852[18:59:47] <Guest18143> jasperarcola: and read it each time I run that program? also it's too late since the data will be already sent
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2855[19:00:52] <makeway> Well shit. I guess I'll ask... I don't have disk drive and I don't have a flash drive for the next day or so, but I'm trying to install debian onto a machine that has ubuntu on it
2856[19:01:03] <makeway> So... is there a way to do that?
2857[19:01:09] <makeway> Other than unetbootin?
2858[19:01:19] <annadane> makeway, i'm not sure how it works in ubuntu with regards to copying; in debian you can "cp blah.iso /dev/sdx" where sdx is your partition and then "sync"... seeing as how ubuntu is based on debian it wouldn't be surprising if it were the same but i'd ask the ubuntu people because it may not be
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2861[19:02:02] <SuperTramp83> Guest18143: you may want to look at firejail. To sandbox an application with it and make it so it doesn not have access to the Internet you use the option --net=none
2862[19:02:18] <annadane> it should be on the internet actually because ubuntu is usually the first result in search engines
2863[19:02:20] <makeway> Wait, but I want to replace ubuntu with debian. Would that still be the way to go?
2864[19:02:35] <annadane> makeway, yes because you don't currently have debian and you're using ubuntu to copy the iso
2865[19:02:45] <Trel> I asked a while ago about which group a user needed to be added to in order to use a USB->Serial adapater. The device was /dev/ttyUSB0. Just wanted to update everyone, the group isn't tty, it's dialout
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2867[19:03:04] <makeway> Ok I'll give it a shot
2868[19:03:52] <annadane> makeway, if i had to guess i would say the method i outlined *probably* works in ubuntu, it seems common enough
2869[19:03:53] <Guest18143> SuperTramp83: I see. Can't built in firewall do that though?
2870[19:04:20] <gics> can please someone confirm me with "cat /etc/shadow | grep mysql" that there are no * or ! in the second column? i get "mysql::17417:0:99999:7:::"
2871[19:04:24] <annadane> makeway, also sdx was just an example, you need to find what your installation medium actually is
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2874[19:04:54] <makeway> Yeah, I got that. I'm reading a bit on it.
2875[19:05:32] <SuperTramp83> Guest18143: sure, but firejail is way simpler, and very effective. Read the man, it's a very nice sandbox.
2876[19:06:34] <annadane> why did i not think of firejail...
2877[19:06:45] <Guest18143> SuperTramp83: thanks!
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2879[19:06:54] <SuperTramp83> yw!
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2881[19:07:08] <annadane> Guest18143, sorry for my non-answer
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2886[19:08:50] <gics> ok, solved myself with a purge and a new install of mariadb-server, there should be a ! in the 2nd column :)
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2890[19:09:15] <Guest18143> annadane: thank for trying to help :)
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2929[19:25:25] <juic3666> hey I need some help with mint and was wondering if there are any adept user here that might be able to point me in the right direction
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2931[19:26:09] <annadane> !mint
2932[19:26:09] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
2933[19:26:11] <annadane> juic3666, ^
2934[19:26:35] <juic3666> thanx!
2935[19:26:38] <AndChat182964> juic3666: what's your question
2936[19:26:53] <juic3666> just noticing weaker wifi performance
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2938[19:27:13] <juic3666> dont know how to set/update/view the correct driver
2939[19:27:29] <AndChat182964> I guess there may be some commands
2940[19:27:52] <AndChat182964> Without driver; weak performance?
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2945[19:28:46] <makeway> Alright, I keep making mistakes. How add a grub2 menuentry for a debian 9 iso?
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2948[19:29:03] <gics> am i the only one who can't change mariadb root password using mysql_secure_installation script? i'm with debian stretch
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2950[19:29:13] <juic3666> i suspect my intel microcode is assigning the wrong driver
2951[19:29:38] <AndChat182964> I guess if driver is wrong there should not be wifi connection
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2953[19:29:50] <Evidlo> Anyone know if the lxc autostart service ships with debian?
2954[19:30:04] <n4dir> makeway: i didn't read any previous conversation. I do know there is (or was) a program in debian which does such, it contains the word "grml" (if you apt-cache search grml; it should turn up, if it still exists)
2955[19:30:07] <AndChat182964> If you have weak it means there shouldn't be driver issue
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2957[19:30:27] <makeway> Alright
2958[19:30:50] <juic3666> not necissarily could be an older driver version... my inspiron was known to be shipped with poor wifi signal, until they came with the updated driver...
2959[19:30:56] <n4dir> makeway: iirc the iso must also be of a certain kind. I forgot the details, but i am not sure if it works with the debian iso
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2964[19:31:18] <n4dir> been ages, my info is pretty out of date ...
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2970[19:34:05] <AndChat182964> You may check #Hardware too juic3666
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2984[19:37:56] <makeway> I can't get into the grub2 boot menu for some reason
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2986[19:38:19] <makeway> My boot screen tells me that it's booting into grub when I hold shift, but it just shows a blank screen then boots into the os I have..
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2998[19:40:56] <makeway> Yeah, what the hell. It gives the "GRUB loading" message at the bottom of the boot sequence, then it just skips over grub right into the os
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3010[19:46:32] <makeway> Yeah alright, n4dir, grml didn't work. The iso shows up on grub, but when I try to boot into it, it idles for a second, then comes right back to the grub screen
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3013[19:48:06] <n4dir> i see. sorry. (probably the problem i vaguely recall, not all isos can be used with it)
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3015[19:48:45] <makeway> Yeah, I guess. Damn. How would I manually add the iso as a menuentry into grub?
3016[19:48:53] <n4dir> back then it sure didn't work with debian. but with other distros
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3030[19:57:31] <|N|> whats the name of libreplaced-url
3031[19:57:36] <|N|> ,v libreplaced-url
3032[19:57:37] <judd> No package named 'libreplaced-url
3033[19:57:41] <|N|> ,v libreplaced-url
3034[19:57:42] <judd> No package named 'libreplaced-url
3035[19:58:04] <annadane> ,v libreplaced-url
3036[19:58:05] <judd> No package named 'libreplaced-url
3037[19:58:23] <hexnewbie> What is libreplaced-url
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3041[20:00:03] <annadane> couldn't find it in the tracker but did find reference to it in ancient bug reports
3042[20:00:09] <hexnewbie> |N|: Are you sure it's not just libreplaced-url
3043[20:00:12] <annadane> not sure if merely deprecated or replaced with something else
3044[20:00:20] <wilbert> ,v libreplaced-url
3045[20:00:21] <judd> No package named 'libreplaced-url
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3047[20:01:02] <hexnewbie> What language do you need it for?
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3050[20:02:29] <|N|> nvm
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3052[20:02:37] <hexnewbie> OK, I apologise. I have been confusing libreplaced-url
3053[20:02:39] <hellyeah> is theree any video editting software for rotating video?
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3062[20:06:01] <|N|> hexnewbie: no need to apologize :)
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3064[20:06:17] <hexnewbie> hellyeah: I believe all editing software can do that -- command-line mpv and mencoder, GUI avidemux, and the higher end stuff like kdenlive, kino, etc. Not sure if any of them would do it losslessly for codecs that might support that, or if there are such codecs. I would prefer to rotate on playback because of the lossy conversion.
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3075[20:09:15] <goodmorning> what module should I activate to use the 5100 safenet token for digital signature?
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3078[20:09:52] <hellyeah> avidemux is not in the repo
3079[20:09:56] <hellyeah> !multimedia
3080[20:09:56] <dpkg> Debian's main repository has lots of great multimedia packages with more included in each release. Ask me about <search> to find them and <rfp> if something is not yet packaged. The old <deb-multimedia.org> has not been a "must have" repo for multimedia support for several releases; it now mostly contains poor quality packages or current Debian packages recompiled incompatible with other packages in Debian.
3081[20:10:09] <hexnewbie> hellyeah: If it's .mp4, you may consider using ffmpeg to just set rotation metadata: replaced-url
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3083[20:10:31] <hellyeah> let me check
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3093[20:13:59] <hellyeah> hexnewbie: it is move do i have to convert to mp4 first?
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3097[20:14:35] <hexnewbie> hellyeah: You could try just outputting it to one with ffmpeg
3098[20:15:12] <hexnewbie> hellyeah: To see if that works, and if you can preserve the codecs you have with that container. If you have to recode, then forget about that option and try rotating with mpv/mencoder
3099[20:15:38] <hexnewbie> I'm not fan of recoding because it's difficult in addition to being lossy :)
3100[20:15:45] <hellyeah> let me ry command first
3101[20:15:55] <hellyeah> i dont think i can do that
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3105[20:16:45] <makeway> Hey, I'm adding a debian iso to grub as a menuentry and I'm getting this error "file '/live/vmlinuz' not found." Not sure what's up
3106[20:16:59] <makeway> I can paste my custom entry if you need that
3107[20:17:00] <hellyeah> it didnt do it
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3111[20:17:22] <hellyeah> how can i do it with mancoder?
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3118[20:18:38] <hellyeah> anyway,
3119[20:18:47] <hellyeah> i will search tomorrow
3120[20:18:49] <hellyeah> thanks
3121[20:19:02] <Dr_Coke> Hi people
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3126[20:20:50] <makeway> replaced-url
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3141[20:25:09] <gerardo__> Hello everybody, I am writing to ask you where can I find a documentation for static network in stretch all is about of old system with ifconfig, eth0, etc
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3148[20:28:48] <somiaj> gerardo__: the information about ifup/ifdown and the interfaces file still works in stretch
3149[20:28:57] <somiaj> gerardo__: if ifup/ifdown scripts use ip these days.
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3151[20:29:13] <somiaj> gerardo__: you can also use network-manager to configure a static network if that is the software you prefer.
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3153[20:30:35] <TsukiRa> gerardo__: `man ip` or google: iproute2 tutorial
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3155[20:30:58] <somiaj> or man 5 interfaces
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3157[20:31:11] <somiaj> I would use the interfaces file and let the scripts ifup/ifdown send the correct calls to ip/iproute, etc
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3166[20:33:20] <JordiGH> I'm on oldstable, looks like I need npm 3. It doesn't seem to be in Debian at all. What's the easiest way to get it?
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3168[20:34:18] <somiaj> what is npm?
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3170[20:35:08] <somiaj> ahh part of node.js
3171[20:35:09] <at0m> package manager for node.js
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3173[20:35:40] <somiaj> it should come with node.js, so how are you installing node.js on your system JordiGH
3174[20:35:58] <JordiGH> somiaj: Debian has it, it's just old.
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3176[20:36:13] <JordiGH> I guess I can do `npm install npm` to get a newer version.
3177[20:36:24] <somiaj> JordiGH: in that case you will have to make a local install of the software
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3179[20:36:58] <somiaj> JordiGH: I don't know node.js enough to say if using the debian packages to install local stuff 'npm install npm' is the way to go, or if it would be better to just do a full local install of node.js and not use the debian packages at all
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3181[20:37:05] <tdn> I have just created a VM in qemu-kvm with network in bridge mode. The VM got a LAN IP, but when I try to SSH into the VM it does not reply. How do I actually make the VM reachable from the LAN?
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3187[20:38:30] <Comnenus> I'm trying to get this to start on boot, but it's failing. But if I start it manually after boot, it works fine. Anyone know what to do about this? replaced-url
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3198[20:44:00] <somiaj> tdn: check your route to the network? Also how did you set up the bridge?
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3200[20:44:17] <samouy> hello ! I would like to know if its possible to add the non free repository from the debian installer shell
3201[20:44:18] <somiaj> tdn: are you able to connect vis virt-viewer or vnc?
3202[20:44:36] <somiaj> samouy: I belive jessie and stretch have a question to add these during the install
3203[20:44:44] <somiaj> samouy: otherwise just edit the sources.list file and add it that way.
3204[20:45:12] <samouy> somiaj, I got the shell, but I don't saw sources.list file
3205[20:45:17] <tdn> somiaj, I can connect to the console via virt-manager
3206[20:45:41] <tdn> somiaj, the route should be straight through the switch. No routing. It is a LAN and a bridge.
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3210[20:49:21] <somiaj> samouy: it will be /target/etc/apt/sources.list
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3212[20:50:05] <somiaj> tdn: Unsure, might want to double check how you set up the bridge or the vm's network. I didn't run into any issues when I set up the bridge on my home network (just a hobbiest though)
3213[20:50:08] <|N|> ,v libcpptest
3214[20:50:09] <judd> No package named 'libcpptest' was found in amd64.
3215[20:50:28] <|N|> what is the package name of cpptst in streth?
3216[20:50:30] <tdn> somiaj, I give up and just install virtualbox
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3218[20:50:55] <lavenders> is this critical? : debian kernel: ACPI Error: [\_SB_.PCI0.XHC_.RHUB.HS11] Namespace lookup failure, AE_NOT_FOUND (20160831/dswload-210)
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3220[20:51:08] <somiaj> tdn: that works just fine, it is just not provided/integrated with debian due to it cannot be frozen.
3221[20:51:08] <lavenders> i got it from journalctl -xb
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3223[20:52:25] <makeway> Hey, easy one - how do I install debian to disk from debian live?
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3226[20:52:53] <|N|> i couldnt find it while googling
3227[20:53:11] <somiaj> makeway: the offical installer can be better than the live image, but if using the live image, you want to boot into the installer when you boot (not use the installer from after booting the live image)
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3230[20:53:48] <samouy> somiaj, there is no directory named like that ... weird
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3233[20:54:14] <somiaj> samouy: maybe you haven't gotten far enough in the installer that it has mounted the install at /target
3234[20:54:23] <somiaj> samouy: if you are chrooted into /target it owuld just be /etc/apt/sources.list
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3236[20:54:57] <n4dir> makeway: don't use the live, use one of the installation isos.
3237[20:55:10] <makeway> Alright.
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3239[20:56:50] <|N|> ,v libcpptest-dev
3240[20:56:52] <judd> No package named 'libcpptest-dev' was found in amd64.
3241[20:56:55] <|N|> ,v libcpptest
3242[20:56:56] <judd> No package named 'libcpptest' was found in amd64.
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3244[20:57:01] <|N|> ,v cpptest
3245[20:57:02] <judd> No package named 'cpptest' was found in amd64.
3246[20:57:06] <somiaj> |N|: /msg judd v packagename
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3248[20:57:20] <somiaj> |N|: no need to past to the channel if it isn't directly related to a conversation happening
3249[20:57:24] <|N|> somiaj: whats the package name of cpptest in debian?
3250[20:57:37] <somiaj> !search
3251[20:57:37] <dpkg> Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See replaced-url
3252[20:57:38] <|N|> i need to install it
3253[20:57:52] <somiaj> hmm, maybe apt-file will work
3254[20:57:57] <somiaj> is cpptest the name of the command?
3255[20:58:09] <|N|> no,its a package name
3256[20:58:14] <|N|> libcpptest-dev
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3260[20:58:25] <|N|> as in ubuntu,idk whats its name in debian
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3262[20:58:39] <|N|> but i search with apt-cache search
3263[20:58:45] <|N|> 4no result
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3266[20:59:45] <somiaj> it may not be in debian, I'm not finding it
3267[20:59:58] <|N|> really?
3268[21:00:07] <somiaj> ,v cppcheck
3269[21:00:08] <judd> Package: cppcheck on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.54-1; jessie: 1.67-1; stretch: 1.76.1-1; buster: 1.80-1; sid: 1.80-1
3270[21:00:16] <|N|> not cppcheck
3271[21:00:22] <|N|> its a different package
3272[21:00:36] <somiaj> there is no cpptest in debian
3273[21:00:42] <|N|> hmm
3274[21:00:45] <makeway> Where is the vmlinuz in the deb netinst.iso?
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3276[21:01:11] <somiaj> makeway: it comes with the kernel package.
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3278[21:01:22] <somiaj> makeway: why do you need it?
3279[21:01:23] <makeway> What do you mean
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3281[21:01:35] <somiaj> makeway: do you just want to boot the netinstall.iso?
3282[21:01:44] <makeway> Yes, I would like that.
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3284[21:02:15] <AciD`> so...for a couple of days now, when I suspend then wake up, Debian forget one of my audio output. Is there a way to reinitialize that without having to reboot?
3285[21:02:15] <somiaj> from a usb drive? just cp netinstall.iso /dev/sdX where sdX is the device (not partition) you want to copy it to. Note it will destroy all data on the device
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3287[21:02:27] <makeway> No, I don't have a usb drive
3288[21:02:29] <somiaj> makeway: debian iso's are hybrid and already bootable, you don't have to do anything except copy it onto a device to boot
3289[21:02:34] <makeway> Don't have a cd either
3290[21:02:36] <somiaj> makeway: so how do you want to boot it?
3291[21:02:53] <somiaj> read the install guide, I belive there are options to install from another install. Though debootstrap may help with this
3292[21:02:56] <somiaj> !install guide
3293[21:03:14] <makeway> Well, I got debian live to boot by adding the iso as a menuentry to grub
3294[21:03:19] <somiaj> replaced-url
3295[21:03:28] <makeway> I thought it would let me install debian from the live
3296[21:03:29] <makeway> But..
3297[21:03:30] <makeway> idk
3298[21:03:36] <somiaj> makeway: debian iso's are hybrid and may require some extra settings in grub to get that to work
3299[21:03:42] <somiaj> makeway: what os are you isntalling from?
3300[21:03:43] <n4dir> makeway: which other distribution do you use?
3301[21:04:11] <makeway> I'm installing from a copy of ubuntu, but I don't care about it. I just want to replace it with debian
3302[21:04:29] <n4dir> if possible i would ... it is possible: i would do debootstrap installation, as somiaj already said.
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3305[21:05:46] <makeway> Could I kill off ubuntu and have debian take up the whole disk after using debootstrap?
3306[21:06:12] <n4dir> no
3307[21:06:15] <somiaj> makeway: if you don't have a cd/usb drive to boot from, maybe trying a manual debootstrap install would work. Though you'll have ot manually install the kernel and other stuff, not as automated as the installer.
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3309[21:06:49] <n4dir> what you could do ist delete all content from the ubuntu installation and mount the partition[s]
3310[21:07:06] <makeway> Yeah... idk
3311[21:07:17] <makeway> I'm just gonna give up and wait until I can find a flash drive
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3313[21:07:32] <makeway> I'be been at this for like 3 hours and have made no satisfying progress
3314[21:07:38] <n4dir> the iso will be on the partition where ubuntu is installed. I am not sure if by that way you will be able to use the whole disk either.
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3330[21:14:30] <insane_tesla> hi
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3334[21:15:30] <AciD`> ok, just killing pulseaudio did the trick
3335[21:15:46] <AciD`> yay, no more unecessary reboots \o/
3336[21:15:54] <icmp8> hello. could somebody confirm that cdimage-search.debian.org responds with "0 results" for every search term?
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3341[21:17:52] <n4dir> icmp8: i entered fluxbox and it gave results.
3342[21:18:06] <icmp8> that is strange
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3345[21:19:34] <icmp8> even those unlisted ones from my testing before are showing now
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3351[21:22:15] <icmp8> n4dir: thanks!
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3353[21:23:07] <n4dir> yeah, no problem. that was easy :-)
3354[21:23:12] <icmp8> :D
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3365[21:30:01] <Sia-> hi, after installation Plex on debian server, port 32400 should be listed to. but isn't. how can i added this port to listen? replaced-url
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3378[21:35:08] <lavenders> where do i get this firmware: firmware: failed to load iwlwifi-8265-26.ucode (-2)
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3380[21:35:32] <lavenders> i already did this: sudo apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi
3381[21:35:37] <lavenders> but error persists
3382[21:35:45] <annadane> lavenders, did you reboot?
3383[21:35:54] <lavenders> yes deb9 x64
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3385[21:36:59] <lavenders> i get this 4x in the journalctl: ebian kernel: iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: Direct firmware load for iwlwifi-8265-23.ucode failed with error -2
3386[21:37:50] <lavenders> for card intel dual band wireless ac 8265
3387[21:38:01] <lavenders> is not yet supported?
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3392[21:38:57] <`Kevin> lavenders: look up the pciid lspci -v
3393[21:39:08] <lavenders> it should be supported since kernel 4.6 , meh
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3399[21:41:13] <lavenders> Kevin: device 24fd rev78?
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3402[21:41:58] <lavenders> btw the card works but the errors are still there
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3404[21:42:26] <mandeep_> im on stretch gnome and none of my gnome applications are opening. how can i diagnose?
3405[21:42:29] <`Kevin> lavenders:
3406[21:42:31] <`Kevin> lspci -vnn
3407[21:42:36] <mandeep_> applications like sound, display, etc
3408[21:42:41] <`Kevin> NNNN:NNNN
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3410[21:43:07] <lavenders> Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:24fd] (rev 78)
3411[21:43:23] <`Kevin> yea
3412[21:43:25] <`Kevin> `device`
3413[21:43:37] <`Kevin> guessing it doesnt know what 24fd is
3414[21:44:47] <lavenders> deb bug?
3415[21:45:06] <mandeep_> this is the output of gnome-control-center in terminal: replaced-url
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3440[21:54:40] <mandeep_> ok fixed it. there were some nvidia packages that were causing issues so i removed them
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3448[21:58:05] <endboss> How do I replace my apt repos with https ones?
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3486[22:14:16] <kion> Does anybody dual boot Ws10 with debian stretch?
3487[22:15:05] <kion> I just went into windows after installing and using debian, and couldn't log back into debian, apparently my whole file system is F##$ UP.
3488[22:15:16] <kion> Is this som windows bs?
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3506[22:20:53] <annadane> kion, what do you actually get when you try to log back into debian?
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3519[22:23:52] <kion> annadane, sorry I didn't register it it told me that I needed to run fsck manually and now fixed a bunch of things, I don't know if I will be able to boot again into it
3520[22:24:11] <kion> i did fsck /dev/sda
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3522[22:25:30] <annadane> kion, are you certain it's sda? well then after doing that try logging in again
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3524[22:26:21] <kion> annadane, when the process ended, in the crippled terminal that I had I typed 'exit' and now the hd if working full
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3526[22:26:31] <kion> I am afraid of hard turning it off
3527[22:27:20] <annadane> well, it seems like everything is working now?
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3531[22:27:55] <annadane> i'm not sure what the main issue is but if things work you do have a temporary workdaround
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3537[22:29:09] <awal1> any alternative for xzoom, DE independent?
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3548[22:32:33] <kion> annadane, the crippled terminal said (initramfs) on the prompt
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3552[22:36:56] <awal1> alternative for / to ...
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3555[22:39:32] <tw> kion: check syslog for disk errors.
3556[22:40:00] <tw> ATA errors, not fs errors.
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3565[22:43:26] <kion> tw I can't at the moment because my computer is stuck in the '/dev/sda5/ cleean, 186071/15622144 files, xxxxxxx/xxxxxx blocks
3566[22:43:38] <kion> screen at the beginning of the boot proces
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3568[22:44:01] <JordiGH> An upgrade from Debian 8 to Debian 9 is telling me that I need to do pg_upgradecluster. I see that there's a 9.6 main cluster. I assume that's empty, and I can drop it?
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3570[22:44:13] <JordiGH> And do `sudo pg_upgradecluster 9.4 main` ?
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3575[22:48:00] <JordiGH> Crap, I prematurely removed postgres 9.4
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3581[22:50:41] <spaceboo> #buster master-race
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3588[22:52:56] <jhutchins> kion: Are the numbers changing at all?
3589[22:53:11] <jhutchins> kion: Is the HD activity light doing anything?
3590[22:53:19] <jhutchins> kion: Is the drive making noises?
3591[22:53:19] <kion> no, everything seems halted, but the hard drive led is totally lit
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3593[22:53:36] <jhutchins> kion: It takes a LONG time to fsck a big drive.
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3595[22:53:54] <kion> jhutchins, the fsck process ended...
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3598[22:54:07] <kion> Y had to manuyally say yes to a bunch of Want to fix questions..
3599[22:54:19] <kion> then when logging into debian again
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3601[22:54:28] <kion> I got what i described above
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3605[22:55:21] <jhutchins> kion: If you're convinced nothing is happening, you can try to reboot it again. systemd will check the disk when it boots. You may have an unrecoverable condition - not a software problem but a physical problem with the disk.
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3607[22:55:56] <jhutchins> kion: One of the tricks is to put the drive in a freezer overnight, then you might just get it to work for long enough to recover something. Of course, you'll need a new system disk first.
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3609[22:56:42] <jhutchins> kion: That said, sometimes drives do require multiple passes of fdisk but still recover.
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3611[22:57:40] <kion> jhutchins, I am just wondering, everything was working perfect, until we ran ms windows...
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3613[22:57:44] <awal1> kion, is that a pure debian jessie system?
3614[22:58:01] <kion> awal1, Debian Stretch + ws10
3615[22:58:04] <kion> dual boot
3616[22:58:20] <jhutchins> kion: That's unlikely to be anything but coincidence unless you ran some disk utility in Windows.
3617[22:58:36] <kion> jhutchins, no, we didn't
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3619[22:59:02] <jhutchins> kion: Probably just bad luck then.
3620[22:59:03] <kion> I am thinking it might be some ws bs, trying to block other OS... maybe..
3621[22:59:14] <awal1> i mean if you dont have 3d party software under jessie before upgrading to stretch
3622[22:59:23] <jhutchins> kion: People used to blame linux for trashing their system when something like that happened. It's usually hardware.
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