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• 42[00:35:41] <oxek> On this PC, I can only start it using 'nomodeset' kernel parameter, and then login to /dev/tty1 because the graphical session does not start. Debian 10.
• 43[00:35:55] <oxek> I can start from a usb stick that has xubuntu 20.04 and get graphical output
• 44[00:36:08] <oxek> I tried the backported 5.6 kernel but no change
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• 46[00:36:15] <oxek> I am now back on the stable kernel
• 47[00:36:41] <oxek> currently I am logged in on /dev/tty1 and searching for solutions is troublesome because I have to use lynx
• 48[00:36:46] <oxek> any tips on how to proceed?
• 49[00:36:56] <oxek> It has some integrated graphics card, sandy-bridge era
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• 51[00:38:01] <quadrathoch2> oxek did you test out the modesetting x11 driver?
• 52[00:38:14] <quadrathoch2> if it's an intel igpu
• 53[00:38:58] <oxek> quadrathoch2: Not sure what that means. When I try booting normally, without modifying the kernel cmdline, I get no output at all (not even the initial cryptsetup prompt). I only get it if I use 'nomodeset'
• 54[00:39:16] <oxek> I have grub
• 55[00:39:28] <quadrathoch2> so you see grub and then just black?
• 56[00:39:57] <oxek> yeah. Grub works fine, but if I let it time out and proceed with normal boot, I just get a black screen instead of seeing a prompt to enter my cryptsetup password.
• 57[00:40:05] <quadrathoch2> oxek i guess it would help to specify which gpu you got
• 58[00:41:17] <oxek> quadrathoch2: how do I find out?
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• 61[00:41:37] <quadrathoch2> 'lspci | grep VGA'
• 62[00:41:59] <oxek> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller
• 63[00:42:45] <oxek> I am not very familiar with the commandline, but that's all I have now, and I am willing to learn.
• 64[00:42:59] <quadrathoch2> oxek 'lscpu | grep Model name'
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• 66[00:43:31] <oxek> Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2120 CPU @ 3.30GHz
• 67[00:43:36] <quadrathoch2> k
• 68[00:44:01] <quadrathoch2> hm interesting, as I have a sandy bridge pentium, which works fine
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• 70[00:44:36] <quadrathoch2> hm
• 71[00:44:43] <oxek> and I can confirm graphics output works fine when I use 'nomodeset' in xubuntu 20.04 livecd, but I also get a black screen instead when I don't use nomodeset in xubuntu 20.04.
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• 74[00:45:31] <quadrathoch2> oxek can you ssh into the machine? so we can maybe get some more info from the logs?
• 75[00:45:41] <oxek> I am logged on that machine locally
• 76[00:46:09] <oxek> I even installed 'gpm' so that I have mouse in the tty
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• 79[00:48:04] <oxek> this is the only dmesg error when I run it with --level=err: hdaudio hdaudioC0D3: Unable to bind the codec
• 80[00:48:08] <oxek> not sure if relevant
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• 84[00:49:13] <quadrathoch2> oxek well that seems to be an error about sound, so should not be the issue
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• 86[00:49:26] <quadrathoch2> could you see what comes from 'journalctl -p 3 -xb'
• 87[00:49:30] <bjarne333> oxek: so, the initramfs is not running
• 88[00:49:35] <oxek> I also do have firmware-linux-nonfree and intel-microcode installed
• 89[00:49:50] <quadrathoch2> kk
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• 91[00:50:24] <oxek> quadrathoch2: doing that now, please bear with me, I am very slow on commandline
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• 93[00:51:51] <quadrathoch2> oxek no issue, take your time
• 94[00:52:03] <oxek> systemd[1]: Failed to start Light Display Manager.
• 95[00:52:16] <oxek> is the first line after the Logs begin... line
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• 97[00:53:11] <oxek> and then it has the same kernel: hdaudio... error
• 98[00:53:30] <quadrathoch2> welp that doesn't help too much
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• 101[00:54:33] <quadrathoch2> 'journalctl -p 4 -xb' could you look if with this command there is more useful information?
• 102[00:54:38] <oxek> I also have: xserver-xorg-video-intel/stable,now 2:2.99.917+git20180925-2 amd64 [installed,automatic]
• 103[00:54:54] <quadrathoch2> oxek yeah that's the gpu driver for X11
• 104[00:55:26] <oxek> I read (using lynx, very difficult for me to use) that this is some outdated driver and instead some modesetting driver should be used instead
• 105[00:56:09] <quadrathoch2> oxek yes, that's what I was asking, if you could install that, or rather remove the intel driver
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• 107[00:56:50] <oxek> quadrathoch2: wouldn't that be equivalent to using the 'nomodeset' kernel option that I am using now to at least get to tty?
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• 109[00:57:05] <oxek> no, wait, I get what you mean now
• 110[00:57:13] <oxek> so I should try apt-get remove that driver?
• 111[00:57:23] <quadrathoch2> oxek the -intel one
• 112[00:57:31] <quadrathoch2> and make sure that -modesetting is installed
• 113[00:58:42] <oxek> I checked the -p 4 journalctl output and did not spot anything special in there
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• 117[00:59:07] <quadrathoch2> oxek :/ okay, werid
• 118[00:59:09] <quadrathoch2> weird
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• 120[00:59:34] <oxek> when I do 'apt list *xserver* --installed' I don't see any -modesetting
• 121[01:00:14] <oxek> the journalctl does say at the top: kernel: You have booted with nomodeset. This means your GPU drivers are DISABLED
• 122[01:00:21] <oxek> kernel: Any video related functionality will be severely degraded, and you may not even be able to suspend the system properly
• 123[01:00:27] <quadrathoch2> oxek then 'sudo apt install xserver-xorg-video-modesetting' and after that ' sudo apt remove xserver-xorg-video-intel'
• 124[01:00:56] <quadrathoch2> yeah that's fine for now, but we should reboot after that with the modesetting driver to see if it works
• 125[01:01:38] <oxek> quadrathoch2: that package does not exist
• 126[01:01:52] <oxek> apt tells me: Note, selecting 'xserver-xorg-core' instead of 'xserver-xorg-video-modesetting'
• 127[01:02:18] <quadrathoch2> ,v xserver-xorg-video-modesetting
• 128[01:02:19] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-modesetting on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.0-2
• 129[01:02:26] <oxek> I think modesetting is no longer a separate thing, it is part of core
• 130[01:02:36] <quadrathoch2> ahh that's fine oxek core is the right one
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• 133[01:03:43] <ruied> how can I set a specific daemon to run when debian starts?
• 134[01:03:45] <oxek> so I don't know what xubuntu 20.04 does differently compared to debian 10 that it allows me to boot to the regular graphical output with 'nomodeset'
• 135[01:04:00] <quadrathoch2> ruied systemctl enable service
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• 140[01:04:49] <quadrathoch2> oxek maybe there is a bug in that specific driver in debian10, where xubuntu20.04 is newer and fixed
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• 142[01:05:08] <ruied> quadrathoch2, it is an app that I have downloaded (wownerod). not part of the system
• 143[01:05:17] <oxek> quadrathoch2: I tried installing the linux-image-amd64 from backports, which is kernel 5.6, and it did not fix this issue
• 144[01:05:32] <quadrathoch2> then you would need to write your own service file, if it's not provided ruied
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• 146[01:06:17] <oxek> but that was just a test, I am now booting back on the regular kernel provided by debian10 stable
• 147[01:06:32] <quadrathoch2> okay oxek, let's see what comes out of it
• 148[01:06:57] <ruied> ok, some years ago I linked at rc<something>.d . it still exists but seems not working anymore?
• 149[01:07:03] <oxek> quadrathoch2: sorry, my english was wrong - I have already booted back to the regular kernel because the backports kernel did not fix it
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• 151[01:07:21] <quadrathoch2> ruied, sysvinit was replaced by systemd, so it works differently
• 152[01:07:56] <quadrathoch2> oxek, even better ;)
• 153[01:08:04] <ruied> quadrathoch2, ok, thanks... going to check it
• 154[01:08:30] <quadrathoch2> ruied here is a tutorial replaced-url
• 155[01:08:48] <ruied> quadrathoch2, thanks!
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• 157[01:09:05] <omeniux> guys do you use firefox or chromium with debian?
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• 159[01:09:28] <omeniux> inb4 safari
• 160[01:09:52] <sney> both are popular
• 161[01:09:53] <quadrathoch2> omeniux firefox all the way :p
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• 163[01:10:04] <sney> if you're taking a survey see popcon.debian.org for statistics
• 164[01:10:08] <oxek> omeniux: currently lynx because I am stuck on /dev/tty due to broken graphics
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• 166[01:10:37] <omeniux> :D
• 167[01:10:55] <oxek> it's painful
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• 183[01:25:04] <oxek> if I try to start lightdm manually, I get the error: Error getting user list from org.freedesktop.Accounts: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.Accounts was not provided by any .service files
• 184[01:26:23] <oxek> not sure if that's related to my issue though
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• 189[01:28:30] <quadrathoch2> oxek what DE did you install?
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• 191[01:28:53] <oxek> xfce
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• 193[01:29:12] <oxek> I don't think there are any wayland packages installed
• 194[01:29:21] <quadrathoch2> oxek directly in the installer?
• 195[01:29:24] <oxek> yes
• 196[01:29:32] <quadrathoch2> oxek no as xfce doesn't support wayland
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• 198[01:30:00] <Unit193> Wouldn't that simply mean lightdm is trying to use accountsservice and it isn't installed, so you get that output?
• 199[01:30:01] <oxek> when selecting the tasks to install during debian installation I just selected xfce and standard system utilities if I remember
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• 202[01:31:07] <quadrathoch2> oxek could you test out what 'sudo apt install task-xfce-desktop' installs something?
• 203[01:31:12] <quadrathoch2> -what
• 204[01:31:34] <oxek> quadrathoch2: task-xfce-desktop is already the newest version (3.53).
• 205[01:31:46] <quadrathoch2> k
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• 207[01:32:43] <oxek> wait, I just remembered something - back when I was installing this machine, it had a dedicated AMD radeon graphics card that I then took out after installation.
• 208[01:33:01] <oxek> I needed that graphics card due to DisplayPort output, but don't need it anymore
• 209[01:33:10] <oxek> so now the machine only has the integrated graphics card
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• 211[01:33:33] <oxek> I did not install any proprietary amd drivers - everything was provided by debian installer
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• 213[01:33:47] <oxek> but do I perphaps need to disable some amd stuff on this machine?
• 214[01:33:55] <oxek> some xserver config?
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• 216[01:35:18] <quadrathoch2> oxek no, for the open source drivers they can coexist without any issue
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• 218[01:35:42] <oxek> yeah, that's what I thought, thanks for confirming
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• 231[01:47:56] <ddsys> quadrathoch2: i tried removing my xserver-xorg-video-intel and xserv-xorg-core was already installed. anyway rebooted and it wouldnt boot up to the desktop
• 232[01:48:20] <ddsys> so i reverted
• 233[01:49:28] <quadrathoch2> ddsys hm
• 234[01:50:05] <oxek> quadrathoch2: is ddsys having similar issues to me?
• 235[01:50:10] <quadrathoch2> so I can only assume, that it's maybe the mesa version which has an issue. sadly you can't exchange that
• 236[01:50:31] <quadrathoch2> oxek okay, weird, as I thought ddsys is you
• 237[01:50:36] <ddsys> oxek i can get to my desktop. i was just trying this modesetting
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• 240[01:51:16] <ddsys> didnt work for me
• 241[01:51:27] <quadrathoch2> oh okay thanks ddsys :)
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• 247[01:59:05] <ruied> trying to make a service working with systemd. it starts but than it stops... It says something about "EOF on stdin" couldit be the parameters added to wownerod replaced-url
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• 254[02:03:42] <quadrathoch2> ruied does it work when you start it manually?
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• 256[02:06:58] <ruied> quadrathoch2, yes... If I start manually it works than I get a cli... if I start it with '&' at the end it stays on the background...
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• 259[02:08:39] <quadrathoch2> ruied so it seems there need to start something else, before you can start the service :/ just need to figure out what
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• 263[02:10:02] <ruied> quadrathoch2, going to check
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• 408[05:44:58] <Goombay> all the sudden I need to authenticate to suspend though I am in the sudo group, can't understand why
• 409[05:45:08] <Goombay> polkitd(authority=local)[675]: Operator of unix-session:2 FAILED to authenticate to gain authorization for action org.freedesktop.login1.suspend for system-bus-name::1.31 [xfce4-session] (owned by unix-user
• 410[05:45:47] <Goombay> running suspend from the xfce menu
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• 415[05:52:54] <Goombay> sigh
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• 428[06:07:50] <Admiral_Purr> Is it possible to use Debian unstable reliably with apt-listbugs?
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• 433[06:17:40] <quadrathoch2> Admiral_Purr if you know what you are doing, yes
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• 435[06:20:46] <Casper26> Anyone help with permission denied with transmission-daemon? running debian testing transmission-daemon version 3.0 have tried every tutorial i can find.
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• 437[06:21:44] <quadrathoch2> !debian-next
• 438[06:21:44] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
• 439[06:21:47] <quadrathoch2> Casper26 ^
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• 452[06:37:01] <alexrelis> Casper26: transmission-daemon runs as its own user (I believe that user is called debian-transmission). As a result, the destination path must be accessible by debian-transmission or whichever user is running transmission-daemon.
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• 489[07:36:12] <Casper26> I have tried that, however i installed transmission-gtk it works fine
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• 524[08:50:38] <no_gravity> Hello! Where does a folder go when you highlight it in Gnome and hit "del"?
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• 527[08:52:08] <Gerowen> no_gravity: Your trash folder should be.
• 528[08:52:31] <no_gravity> The crazy thing is: I have a terminal open with the PWD being the deleted folder and I still can ls and cat all files.
• 529[08:52:37] <no_gravity> Gerowen: And where is that?
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• 533[08:53:37] <Gerowen> If you're using Gnome, and you deleted the folder with the Gnome file browser, then on the left side of the nautilus file browser you should see a link that says "Trash".
• 534[08:53:56] <no_gravity> The trashcan thing shows me an empty window when I click on it.
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• 536[08:54:30] <no_gravity> I have to say that afterwards I tried the "Redo move 1 item to trash". Which had no effect. But maybe made things worse somehow.
• 537[08:54:42] <nkuttler> no_gravity: were you on a different filesystem?
• 538[08:55:09] <no_gravity> nkuttler: different from what?
• 539[08:55:20] <nkuttler> no_gravity: home
• 540[08:55:41] <no_gravity> Yes
• 541[08:55:53] <nkuttler> no_gravity: afaik gnome will have a trash directory for each filesystem
• 542[08:55:58] <nkuttler> no_gravity: so check in the fs root
• 543[08:56:00] <no_gravity> nkuttler: Aha!
• 544[08:56:27] <nkuttler> also makes sense not to copy files across filesystems to delete them
• 545[08:56:46] <no_gravity> nkuttler: Yay! There is a dir .Trash and it contains the deleted folder!
• 546[08:56:49] <no_gravity> nkuttler: Thanks man!
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• 548[08:59:22] <no_gravity> Phew :) I wasn't sure if I configured gnome to really delete instead of moving when hitting the del key.
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• 553[09:08:55] <alexrelis> Casper26: transmission-gtk works fine because you'd normally run that program as the user who owns the path you're downloading the files too.
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• 556[09:14:35] <Casper26> Tried running transmission-daemon as normal user that owns the path still permission denied.
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• 561[09:24:22] <pragomer> Hi. I am searching for a calender program (like gnome-calender or from other desktop environments, or lightning or so, that I can: password protect.. so that opening the calender is only possible with a password. does this exist ?
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• 576[09:43:04] <Wulf> Hello. When I suspend my laptop and power it up again, the touchpad isn't working. After a subsequent hibernate, it works again. Any idea how to debug this further or fix it?
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• 603[10:14:53] <valdyn> Wulf: you can unload and reload the driver
• 604[10:15:09] <valdyn> Wulf: though there may be a more targetted approach that does this directly
• 605[10:16:17] <valdyn> Wulf: that targetted approach may be explained here: replaced-url
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• 616[10:30:54] <Wulf> valdyn: it's not usb, but "rmi"
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• 618[10:31:48] <Wulf> but unloading/loading the rmi modules helps. Thanks :)
• 619[10:32:22] <Wulf> now is there any way to run code after a wakeup?
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• 625[10:36:04] <tyzef> Hi guys! How to get the most recent kernel on my Debian Buster? I got a new laptop and need a recent kernel.
• 626[10:37:32] <b30wulf> apt-get install kernel
• 627[10:37:45] <damex> tyzef: why exactly new kernel is needed? unsupported hardware?
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• 634[10:40:50] <babilen5> dpkg: bdo kernel
• 635[10:40:50] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the <buster-backports> repository. After modifying your sources.list, run «apt update». To install the current backported kernel: «apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
• 636[10:40:54] <babilen5> tyzef: ^
• 637[10:41:19] <damex> although it is better to pin that kernel through apt preferences
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• 639[10:41:25] <alexrelis> tyzef: What are your specs? Check out the backports repository: replaced-url
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• 641[10:41:40] <damex> replaced-url
• 642[10:41:40] <alexrelis> damex: You sure about that?
• 643[10:42:04] <damex> alexrelis: yeah, so updates always consder kernel from backports to be latest.
• 644[10:42:16] <damex> or preferrable
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• 646[10:43:16] <alexrelis> Packages on backports are usually configured to not cause any conflicts if you use them in moderation.
• 647[10:43:33] <tyzef> damex, please if you like to have a look : replaced-url
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• 649[10:44:24] <damex> alexrelis: yeah, but for convenience sake it is so much easier to follow updates when something you want is pinned.
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• 651[10:45:09] <tyzef> alexrelis here are my specs: replaced-url
• 652[10:45:11] <damex> so let's say you have kernel installed and newer version is available through pin - it will pull update via simple 'apt update && apt upgrade'
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• 656[10:46:59] <tyzef> damex ok I try, thks
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• 658[10:47:21] <Delta706> I am seeing "A stop job is running for Session 1" output when I am shutting down. Does anyone know what job this is?
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• 662[10:47:39] <alexrelis> tyzef: Looks pretty run-of-the-mill to me. Your laptop should do fine with the latest kernel in backports. Give it a shot
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• 665[10:48:53] <tyzef> Thank you alexrelis
• 666[10:49:10] <alexrelis> tyzef: No problem, sir/ma'am.
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• 669[10:50:36] <alexrelis> Delta706: This forum post gives a pretty in-depth analysis: replaced-url
• 670[10:50:36] <alexrelis> It's just shutting down gracefully. This type of behavior is quite useful in a server. I believe you could configure systemd to shorten the stop job.
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• 674[10:52:40] <damex> tyzef: kernel might lack support for special device id of gpu you have. sudo dmesg | grep "i915\|drm" and sudo lspci -k | grep 'VGA compatible controller' -A 3 will show more
• 675[10:53:23] <damex> althought new kernel from backports should resolve that for you.
• 676[10:54:55] <tyzef> Well damex, thank you, I give a try asap
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• 684[11:00:43] <alexrelis> I'm don't fully know if this is true or not since I've never tried it, but I believe there is a way to run a backported kernel straight from the installation with the Expert Installer. If not, that would be a good feature.
• 685[11:01:07] <alexrelis> I*
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• 690[11:04:01] <Delta706> alexrelis: thanks for that. How can I stop systemd waiting for too long? Should I change the timeout?
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• 694[11:08:45] <alexrelis> Delta706: I have not done it before, but check out this reddit thread: replaced-url
• 695[11:08:45] <alexrelis> It looks like it can be done by editing /etc/systemd/system.conf with your favorite text editor (nano, vim, emacs, whatever...) as a root user. If you plan to do this, I advise you to be careful though. But if you do, tell me if it works. I'd like to know.
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• 698[11:09:20] <Delta706> okay I am changing it to "2s" and now need to fix if it works
• 699[11:09:39] <tyzef> Also... I have many firmware missing... However I understood I first need the needed kernel... Then only can install firmwares... Is it?
• 700[11:09:53] <Delta706> as I am shutting down, I will need to leave chat briefly to accomplish thi
• 701[11:10:01] <Delta706> *this
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• 703[11:10:29] <alexrelis> Delta706: If you reply back, then we'll know it worked. If not, well...
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• 706[11:12:37] <alexrelis> tyzef: Do you happen to remember which firmware you needed?
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• 708[11:17:36] <uebera||> Hi. Can somebody explain to me how the last two commands of /usr/sbin/qemu-debootstrap ( cp $(which "qemu-$qemu_arch-static") "$target/usr/bin"; run chroot "$target" /debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage) are supposed to work if the chroot only contains, say, arm64 binaries/libraries while running on an amd64 host? /debootstrap/deboostrap is a shell script so $target/bin/sh (arm64) fails to execute--Game over.
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• 710[11:19:18] <oiaohm> uebera||: qemu-$qemu_arch-static that bit there means you would in theory be running in arm64 qemu emulated.
• 711[11:19:35] <alexrelis> tyzef: If not, that's okay. As a root user, run `dmesg`. Check around for any red text that says "firmware: failed to load...". For example, "firmware: failed to load brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw (-2)".
• 712[11:19:35] <alexrelis> From this example, "brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw" would be the missing firmware that you would have to install. In your case it might be different of course. How do we know the package to install that corresponds to the missing firmware? Say we needed to install brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw. In that case, we would run `apt search brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw`. Then, we would apt install the package that it tells us. So `apt install firmware-brcm80211` (as root).
• 713[11:20:10] <uebera||> oiaohm: The problem is that qemu-$qemu_arch-static is never called anywhere. So something must be missing.
• 714[11:20:12] <oiaohm> uebera||: now if you happen to be missing the right qemu you are screwed.
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• 718[11:24:44] <oiaohm> uebera||: also arm64 would not be called arm64 but aarch64 and you would be expecting qemu-$qemu_arch-static to be qemu-aarch64-static out of the qemu-user-static package
• 719[11:25:52] <debouncer> hello, my monitor signal goes off after couple of minutes over boot up (time is totally random, mean is 15 mins).
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• 721[11:26:19] <uebera||> oiaohm: The correct qemu binary is in place (I wrote "arm64" because aarch64 is only used "upstream" as per the Debian/Ubuntu docs), but still, *it's not called*. The thing is, I'd expect something along the lines of "chroot $target /usr/bin/qemu-$qemu_arch-static /debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage" but even this fails atm ("Error while loading /debootstrap/debootstrap: Exec format error")
• 722[11:26:44] <debouncer> this is my xorg log file: replaced-url
• 723[11:27:32] <debouncer> i see that in log file nvidia gpu getting disconnected after a while: "NVIDIA(GPU-0): CRT-0: disconnected"
• 724[11:28:12] <debouncer> but couldn't find a workaround, can you help?
• 725[11:31:30] <uebera||> oiaohm: My bad, if you insert qemu-aarch64-static, you cannot call a script directly (This executes the script, but fails to find required tools: "chroot /var/cache/pbuilder/build/588 /usr/bin/qemu-aarch64-static /bin/sh /debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage"). But how can I be the first to topple over this? You find 3-4 error messages like this on the net, but never an explanation.
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• 727[11:33:25] <oiaohm> uebera||: the chroot is not around the other way for no reason. Its a little hard to access qemu-aarch64-static once you have chroot the host off.
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• 729[11:34:09] <oiaohm> uebera||: there is a copy for a reason.
• 730[11:34:13] <tyzef> alexrelis, if you like : replaced-url
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• 734[11:37:17] <uebera||> oiaohm: Of course there's a reason--in my case, this is called as part of "pbuilder-dist sid arm64 create". The thing is, it cannot work as is. It could never have been worked unless the host machine uses the same architecture as the chroot (which the associated scripts *detect* and then won't copy over the qemu binary in the first place). This in turn means this could never have been tested.
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• 742[11:48:01] <alexrelis> tyzef: It looks like you will need to install the firmware-atheros package.
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• 744[11:49:49] <alexrelis> tyzef: Did you use the nonfree ISO to install Debian?
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• 788[12:39:05] <NetTerminalGene> ,v firefox-esr
• 789[12:39:06] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch: 68.4.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 68.7.0esr-1~deb10u1; jessie-security: 68.9.0esr-1~deb8u2; stretch-proposed-updates: 68.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 68.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster-proposed-updates: 68.9.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 68.9.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye:
• 790[12:39:07] <judd> 68.9.0esr-1; sid: 68.9.0esr-1
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• 797[12:44:52] <discovered> There is no package checkinstall?
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• 799[12:46:38] <apollo13> discovered: what makes you think that?
• 800[12:47:04] <apollo13> that said for buster it might be in backports or so
• 801[12:47:16] <discovered> E: Unable to locate package checkinstall
• 802[12:47:46] <apollo13> well what version are you on…
• 803[12:47:55] <discovered> debian 10
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• 805[12:48:07] <apollo13> replaced-url
• 806[12:48:10] <apollo13> it's in backports
• 807[12:48:24] <apollo13> why? I have no idea :D
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• 811[12:50:34] <discovered> Now i can install :)
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• 838[13:22:25] <ScottHDev> Hello I get this lintian error arch-dependent-file-not-in-arch-specific-directory. What is the best way to fix this issue? threw debian/package.install debian/insall debian/postinstall or in the meson.build file ?
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• 842[13:25:05] <ScottHDev> I still don't understand why dh doesn't just provide meson the right bindir
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• 891[14:28:01] <babilen5> damex: You already get updates for packages installed from backports automatically. There is no need to pin them explicitly.
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• 977[15:58:44] <mnathani> I am trying to install ifconfig on buster, so I installed the net-tools package, but it still doesn't seem to work
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• 985[16:05:11] <nkuttler> mnathani: doesn't work?
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• 991[16:08:19] <dvs> !doesn't work
• 992[16:08:19] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
• 993[16:08:38] <jelly> mnathani: what happens when you run /sbin/ifconfig
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• 997[16:12:06] <mnathani> I had su to root, without doing su -
• 998[16:12:11] <mnathani> sbin wasnt in my path
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• 1000[16:12:15] <mnathani> sorry for the noise
• 1001[16:12:22] <mnathani> works fine now
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• 1006[16:15:13] <nulleip> XOrg makes cpu go up to 100% several seconds after disconnecting and re-connecting a usb hub...
• 1007[16:15:41] <nulleip> just mouse and keyboard on this hub, after a while XOrg goes back to normal
• 1008[16:16:19] <nulleip> but it is everytime I remove that USB port and reconnect it, any ideias?
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• 1011[16:18:20] <nulleip> I think it could be mtp-probe somehow...
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• 1018[16:20:22] <Psil0Cybin> Hi i need help i have debian buster, xfce4 installed and trying to get xfce4-screensaver installed
• 1019[16:20:40] <Psil0Cybin> but i get E: Unable to locate package xfce4-screensaver ? is this normal? right now, anywya to get that package for buster without adding previous reposs to the repo list?
• 1020[16:21:01] <dvs> ,v xfce4-screensaver
• 1021[16:21:02] <judd> Package: xfce4-screensaver on amd64 -- sid: 0.1.10-1
• 1022[16:21:08] <dvs> oh snap!
• 1023[16:21:21] <Psil0Cybin> yea i see that, but i when i do apt-get install it i get package not found
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• 1025[16:21:40] <dvs> becasue it's only in sid! loop above
• 1026[16:21:44] <dvs> *look
• 1027[16:22:01] <Psil0Cybin> yea i know, so what do i do if i want a screensaver in xfce4?
• 1028[16:22:06] <Psil0Cybin> for Debian Buster?
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• 1030[16:22:52] <dvs> ,checkbackport xfce4-screensaver
• 1031[16:22:53] <judd> Backporting package xfce4-screensaver in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12).
• 1032[16:23:33] <abrotman> doesn't xscreensaver still exist and work?
• 1033[16:23:38] <Psil0Cybin> oh!
• 1034[16:23:45] <Psil0Cybin> see let me check that out! thanks i was looking for anything really!
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• 1036[16:24:01] <Psil0Cybin> walla
• 1037[16:24:03] <Psil0Cybin> you are a gem :)
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• 1046[16:35:09] <nifker> Which debian package provides this file "libSPIRV-Tools-opt.so"? Ive installed any vulkan/spirv related package which it could but without success yet.
• 1047[16:35:47] <dvs> ,file libSPIRV-Tools-opt.so
• 1048[16:35:51] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
• 1049[16:35:57] <dvs> none
• 1050[16:36:44] <nifker> what shall I do now? not use debian?
• 1051[16:36:57] <Ede|Popede> google has some hits for libspirv including github and pkgs.org
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• 1053[16:38:39] <jelly> judd: file libSPIRV-*.so
• 1054[16:38:43] <judd> Search for libSPIRV-*.so in buster/amd64: spirv-tools: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libSPIRV-Tools-shared.so
• 1055[16:38:59] <jelly> not the desired file name
• 1056[16:39:45] <jelly> nifker: either find the file or or whole build somewhere else, or switch to a distro that has it, yeah
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• 1058[16:41:21] <jelly> or use the static library of that name.
• 1059[16:41:42] <jelly> judd: file libSPIRV-Tools-opt.*
• 1060[16:41:46] <judd> Search for libSPIRV-Tools-opt.* in buster/amd64: spirv-tools: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libSPIRV-Tools-opt.a
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• 1065[16:46:20] <BlackMug> Hello There
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• 1069[16:47:36] <nifker> just copied the shared object from an arch package
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• 1071[16:48:08] <BlackMug> we had discussion about debian security patches , is that true that debian doesnt get security patches and it only fix CVEs vulnerabilities which most vulnerabilities wont get CVEs thus this make debian insecure OS or at least not the best OS for security
• 1072[16:48:41] <BlackMug> ^ is this claim correct?
• 1073[16:48:53] <dvs> BlackMug, debian has a whole repo dedicated to security patches
• 1074[16:49:16] <BlackMug> the claim was security patches comes only when there CVE
• 1075[16:49:34] <dvs> or upstream security patches
• 1076[16:49:57] <BlackMug> without CVE ?
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• 1079[16:50:56] <BlackMug> they say that without CVE , debian cant fix because they are not superheros
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• 1081[16:53:06] <mureena> Read: replaced-url
• 1082[16:53:14] <BlackMug> i read that
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• 1084[16:53:21] <mureena> Read again
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• 1086[16:53:34] <BlackMug> but that doesnt answer the CVE only fixation
• 1087[16:53:45] <dvs> BlackMug, you can ask the same question in #debian-security on OFTC.
• 1088[16:54:16] <BlackMug> sure will do , thank you :)
• 1089[16:54:20] <dvs> no prob
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• 1098[17:03:52] <spigot> my ISP supplied router/modem will assign me an IP over DHCP when connected via ethernet, but then I can't even ping the router after that. packets are dropped.
• 1099[17:04:03] <spigot> wireless connection to the same router is ok, router can be pinged
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• 1101[17:04:40] <spigot> I've tried disabling the wireless connection completely, routing table looks ok.
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• 1103[17:07:30] <spigot> ok never mind; debian nor my network setup is not hte problem. it's definitely something odd with the router
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• 1105[17:08:58] <spigot> even though I should appear to it as two different devices with separate MACs, it seems to get confused when I try to connect over wireless and ethernet within a short enough time of each other
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• 1109[17:15:09] <rander2> hello
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• 1135[18:00:35] <sevenninety> Hi all, looking for debian support info for ryzen zen2. Is there a chan bot search that has related info?
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• 1137[18:03:48] <quadrathoch2> sevenninety what CPU are you looking at?
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• 1140[18:05:54] <sevenninety> ryzen 7 3700x
• 1141[18:06:36] <dvs> :-D
• 1142[18:06:50] <dvs> I just got one too
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• 1147[18:13:00] <rudi_s> sevenninety: Should work fine. I have a ryzen 9 and it works fine with Buster. What exactly do you want to know?
• 1148[18:14:42] <sevenninety> rudi_s that is all I needed to know! Thanks.
• 1149[18:15:37] <rudi_s> np
• 1150[18:16:08] <rudi_s> Just in case there are some problems, try the latest backports kernel. CPU support is mostly kernel related so having the latest kernel is often enough to fix issues.
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• 1265[19:53:33] <tangarora> does anyone know how to mount an external disk device wiht some lvm on it? It used to be the bood drive of an old laptop...
• 1266[19:54:04] <tangarora> "disks" identifies it as a physical lvm.
• 1267[19:54:37] <tangarora> it does not show up in lvdisplay
• 1268[19:54:44] <tangarora> im clueless here
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• 1270[19:56:31] <nevivurn> tangarora: I don't have lvm installed locally, so looking for manpages is a bit slow here, but try {pv,vg,lv}scan
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• 1280[20:05:56] <rudi_s> Yeah, what nev<tab> said, pvscan -ay, vgscan -ay and vgscan -ay should work
• 1281[20:06:12] <rudi_s> (Drop the double vgscan.)
• 1282[20:06:13] <nevivurn> nice rudi<tab>
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• 1293[20:15:32] <Delta706> alexrelis: are you here?
• 1294[20:16:15] <soul-d> how do i do "init 3" equivilant on buster ?
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• 1296[20:17:08] <LameName123> Hello everybody! I've been using Debian as my distro of choice for a while now and have recently been playing with the idea of replacing it with OpenBSD in places, where security is the main focus. But I'm not sure if it really is more secure than Debian and how Debian holds up in comparison. I had a rather hard time comparing the two. Does anybody of you know more about this? I would love to know what you have to say about this.
• 1297[20:17:56] <Delta706> have you tried looking at the man page for "init"?
• 1298[20:19:03] <jmcnaught> soul-d: run levels were replaced by targets in systemd. Read about the isolate command in "man systemctl", but it will be "systemctl isolate multi-user.target". "systemctl list-units -t target" to see targets.
• 1299[20:20:02] <sney> LameName123: the most important security component is admin practices. the kernel, userland, etc can sometimes make a difference depending on the use case, but if security is your goal and you make an effort to be specific in your approach, you can make linux just as secure as anything.
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• 1303[20:21:20] <soul-d> thanks jmcnaught
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• 1314[20:27:15] <LameName123> sney: I definitely agree that the way you manage your system plays a huge role in how secure it is going to end up but would you say that OpenBSD is more secure by default than Debian? I'm not sure if it's actually true or if it's just "marketing talk". They like to list all their security features but I'm never sure if that's something that's unique to them or if Debian has those as well.
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• 1316[20:28:53] <sney> you have the best chance of securing a system that you're already familiar with. so if you know debian pretty well but you've only used openbsd once or twice, the smart choice is to stick with debian.
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• 1318[20:30:05] <sney> a default debian install is pretty locked down by default as well. again, it depends on the use case, what you're securing against, etc.
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• 1321[20:31:51] <sney> I've heard great things about pf as compared to other free software firewalls. But you see iptables-based devices all over production networks. And you're using the OpenBSD people's SSH server no matter what OS you're on, pretty much.
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• 1326[20:35:22] <sney> LameName123: but you really can't understate the fact that the biggest vulnerability is always going to be people. A different OS isn't going to be magically "more secure" than debian when used by the same person, and if you're trusting defaults to secure you without understanding the what/why then you've failed at step 1.
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• 1336[20:41:45] <LameName123> Well, I do want to esentially use it as a firewall/router. I just want to make it as impenetrable as possible. Be it from the inside or outside. Closing all the ports and removing all the services that I don't need are some of the first things I do. OpenBSD claims to have a record of very few vulnerabilities in their base install and to have a rather small code base, which in turn is supposed to have less bugs. But from the looks
• 1337[20:41:45] <LameName123> of it, it's also far less popular than Debian, which means there are far less eyes on the code, which means that vulnerabilities are less likely to be found. On the other hand because of it's lesser popularity it's probably less likely to be exploited than Debian because it's not as attractive as a target.
• 1338[20:42:35] <LameName123> I'm willing to learn how to use OpenBSD, if it's worth it and use it alongside Debian, but I really can't make up my mind.
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• 1340[20:43:56] <jmcnaught> For production use what you know, for interest learn something new. When you know it better you'll be in a better place to decide which to use.
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• 1368[21:10:12] <jhutchins> It's my impression that BSD users tend to be much more knowledgable about the principles of the OS.
• 1369[21:11:20] <jhutchins> Linux has a significant population of people who want to run Windows (for gaming) but don't want to pay for it. They want a GUI, they want Wine, but they REALLY don't want to have to learn anything.
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• 1373[21:16:44] <annadane> i've toyed with freebsd a bit, but it's not a great desktop and because i have an nvidia card i'm weary of trying out the others
• 1374[21:16:52] <annadane> (thank you nvidia for not playing nice)
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• 1381[21:20:41] <annadane> or, well, specifically, i haven't done too much work in trying to understand it
• 1382[21:20:46] <annadane> maybe i'd really like it if i gave it a chance
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• 1395[21:36:10] <Somelauw> What do you think of the multitude of ways to install packages? There is apt-get. But python has pip/anaconda and some software is only available on nginx, snapcraft, flatpack, appimage? Which one is most complete?
• 1396[21:36:32] <annadane> it depends on the software
• 1397[21:36:38] <phogg> Somelauw: they're used for different purposes
• 1398[21:36:40] <annadane> for installing regular debian packages you obviously use apt
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• 1400[21:36:55] <annadane> most people will use apt unless they have specific reason not to
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• 1402[21:37:21] <Somelauw> I do notice apt comes with a pretty old version of eclipse / firefox
• 1403[21:37:59] <phogg> apt doesn't "come with" old versions of packages, Debian releases include specific versions and you choose a release to use.
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• 1405[21:38:59] <annadane> or use newer versions of software in a safe way
• 1406[21:39:04] <annadane> many people run stable like that
• 1407[21:39:16] <phogg> Debian tends to release about every 2 years and there is some lag time on packaging, so the stable release will always include less recent versions of programs than found in places that release more oftne.
• 1408[21:39:19] <nevivurn> Somelauw: nginx in that list is not like the others...
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• 1410[21:39:39] <phogg> maybe he meant nix?
• 1411[21:39:50] <nevivurn> Ahh, that would make sense.
• 1412[21:40:57] <Somelauw> sorry, nix. It talks about a functional / stateless package manager, which confuses me, because I don't understand why it would be better worse than the others
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• 1416[21:42:25] <phogg> Somelauw: think of nix as not so much a package manager like dpkg+apt but as a mashup of package management, container management, and some orchestration.
• 1417[21:43:19] <phogg> The results can be just the same as using a more traditional system, if you don't want the results to be different, but there are also interesting things you can do easily which are hard to achieve any other way.
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• 1419[21:46:24] <Somelauw> i only want to install one additional package manager in addition to apt. I'm happy with nix if it contains everything I need and the learning curve is worth it
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• 1428[22:02:47] <dreamer> great, just found out latest stable kernel broke part of my soundcard :/
• 1429[22:02:50] <dreamer> 4 out of 6 i/o don't work any more
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• 1442[22:10:16] <dreamer> I guess now I have to go do a git-dissect, create a bugreport and never hear any feedback (as happened with previous reports)
• 1443[22:10:23] <dreamer> bisect*
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• 1451[22:14:34] <tnR> root@dnsmaster:/tmp# sudo dpkg -i mysql-apt-config*
• 1452[22:14:34] <tnR> dpkg: regarding mysql-apt-config_0.8.13-1_all.deb containing mysql-apt-config, pre-dependency problem:
• 1453[22:14:34] <tnR> mysql-apt-config pre-depends on lsb-release
• 1454[22:14:35] <tnR> lsb-release is not installed.
• 1455[22:14:35] <tnR> dpkg: error processing archive mysql-apt-config_0.8.13-1_all.deb (--install):
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• 1457[22:14:36] <dpkg> tnR: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
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• 1462[22:15:41] <tnR> what is missing?
• 1463[22:16:10] <dreamer> don't flood the channel. use a pastebin
• 1464[22:16:23] <tnR> okey, sorry
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• 1466[22:17:56] <tnR> replaced-url
• 1467[22:20:34] <tnR> standard system utilities
• 1468[22:20:44] <tnR> I didn't choose during the installation
• 1469[22:21:18] <tnR> debian 10
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• 1504[22:47:53] <uebera||> How come the 'hello' test binary can be installed using "dpkg --add-architecture arm64; apt install libc6:arm64 hello:arm64", "update-binfmts --find /usr/bin/hello" outputs "/usr/bin/qemu-aarch64-static", "qemu--arch64-static /usr/bin/hello" works, but a direct call to "/usr/bin/hello" does not? ("zsh: no such file or directory: /usr/bin/hello")
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• 1508[22:50:37] <jolt> uebera||: what is your default arch?
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• 1511[22:51:49] <RoyK> uebera||: printf '#!/bin/zsh\necho hello\n' > /usr/local/bin/hello ; chmod +x /usr/local/bin/hello # ;)
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• 1515[22:54:37] <uebera||> jolt: x86_64
• 1516[22:56:23] <jolt> uebera||: If you run it directly the architecture (arm64) doesn't match the running architecture (x86_64), and hence it looks like it's not found (but in reality it's the arch that is acting up)
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• 1518[22:57:04] <jolt> uebera||: do `file /usr/bin/hello`
• 1519[22:57:33] <uebera||> jolt: /usr/bin/hello: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, ARM aarch64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux-aarch64.so.1, BuildID[sha1]=5f8827f785d722820cedc27d2a636a9144c1b767, for GNU/Linux 3.7.0, stripped
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• 1521[22:57:53] <uebera||> Interesting, I'd thought that the /test/ binary would be statically linked.
• 1522[22:58:43] <jolt> uebera||: I don't know why exactly, but I have tried to run the wrong arch of a binary and had the same error message until I found out why :)
• 1523[22:58:49] <uebera||> But I did install the base arm64 packages (following replaced-url
• 1524[23:01:30] <jolt> uebera||: I think it depends on how it's enable, maybe it's possible to have it running at the same time, but I haven't played aroud with it, so I cant help you out.
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• 1526[23:05:08] <uebera||> jolt: Thanks anyways. I'm currently asking around in #qemu on irc.oftc.net… maybe I receive some pointers.
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• 1539[23:21:58] <ws2k3> is it possible to make a write one command. to run a command. and once it finished. start it again?
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• 1545[23:27:05] <uebera||> ws2k3: Do you mean something like this? echo -e '#! /bin/sh\necho Hello, world.\nexec $0' >./test1.sh; chmod a+rx ./test1.sh; ./test1.sh
• 1546[23:27:24] <uebera||> ws2k3: See "man exec"
• 1547[23:27:34] <ws2k3> uebera|| while [ 1 ]; do foo; sleep 2; done did the job
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• 1549[23:28:03] <ws2k3> uebera|| i mean: while [ 1 ]; do echo thinking; done
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