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2[00:00:28] <jmcnaught> neilthereildeil: do you have the
firmware-iwlwifi package installed?
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3[00:01:09] <LtL> neilthereildeil: type, dpkg -l
firmware-iwlwifi
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6[00:01:55] <neilthereildeil> dpkg-query: no packages found
matching firmware-iwlwifi
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7[00:02:03] <neilthereildeil> do ihave to add some nonfree
repo?
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9[00:02:41] <jmcnaught> neilthereildeil: yes, that package is
in non-free
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10[00:03:52] <neilthereildeil> why do we need to deal with
firmware?
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11[00:03:59] <neilthereildeil> isnt that on the wifi device?
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13[00:04:13] <neilthereildeil> the device has its own firmware
that runs it
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16[00:05:52] <LtL> neilthereildeil: what is the device pci id,
lspci -nn provided it's a pci device
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18[00:06:43] <neilthereildeil> its an intel wifi card on PCI
bus: 8086:24fd
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21[00:07:14] <LtL> judd: pciid 8086:24fd
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22[00:07:15] <judd> [8086:24fd] is 'Wireless 8265 /
8275' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules
'iwlwifi', 'snd-hda-intel',
'ata-generic' in stretch. See also
replaced-url
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24[00:08:05] <LtL> neilthereildeil: you have the proper module,
but you most likely need the firmware, check dmesg for missing
firmware.
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26[00:08:30] <neilthereildeil> but why do i need to worry about
firmware on my devices?
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27[00:08:51] <neilthereildeil> for example, ethernet card
doesnt need firmware update, and works out of box
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28[00:08:54] <neilthereildeil> whats different about wifi?
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29[00:09:08] <jmcnaught> because the manufacture designed this
device to require a firmware, probably so it can be updated if
needed
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30[00:09:44] <LtL> neilthereildeil: practically all hardware
needs firmware, intel definwtly does, 'sudo dmesg |grep -i
firmware'
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31[00:10:21] <neilthereildeil> but when i boot windows on this
laptop, wifi works
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33[00:10:44] <neilthereildeil> so the correct FW should already
be on the card, right?
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34[00:11:03] <LtL> neilthereildeil: that's windows, debian
has free software guidelines. DFSG
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35[00:11:18] <neilthereildeil> ah ok
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36[00:11:30] <neilthereildeil> so intel requires the OS to load
the wifi FW on every boot?
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37[00:12:32] <LtL> neilthereildeil: add non-free to
/etc/apt/sources.list then apt update ; apt install firmware-iwlwifi
- did dmesg mention failed to load firmware?
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39[00:13:19] <neilthereildeil> LtL: yes
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40[00:13:21] <neilthereildeil> iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: firmware:
failed to load iwlwifi-8265-26.ucode (-2)
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44[00:14:03] <neilthereildeil> but im just trynna understand
how the directribution works
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45[00:14:07] <LtL> neilthereildeil: add non-free to
/etc/apt/sources.list then apt update ; apt install firmware-iwlwifi
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46[00:14:13] <neilthereildeil> is it the OS's job to load
firmware at every boot?
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48[00:14:38] <LtL> neilthereildeil: more or less yes
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55[00:15:46] <neilthereildeil> ok, and my understanding is that
Microsoft has an agreement with Intel to distribute their firmware,
but free Linux does not?
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56[00:15:53] <LtL> neilthereildeil: add non-free and contrib to
EACH line in sources.list then update and install it.
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57[00:16:21] <LtL> neilthereildeil: pretty much yeah.
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58[00:16:38] <LtL> everyone panders to microsoft
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59[00:16:48] <neilthereildeil> LtL: oops, all i did was add
this line: deb
replaced-url
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60[00:17:03] <neilthereildeil> and i installed iwlwifi
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61[00:17:18] <neilthereildeil> but ur saying to remove that now
and just add those 2 words to each EXISTING line?
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62[00:17:19] <LtL> that'll work, now 'apt
update' and install it.
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63[00:17:22] <neilthereildeil> ok
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64[00:17:41] <LtL> !sources.list
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65[00:17:41] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Stretch" has three lines: "deb
replaced-url
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66[00:18:23] <LtL> neilthereildeil: i personally avoid
httpredirect, use the factoid.
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67[00:18:31] <neilthereildeil>
replaced-url
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68[00:18:33] <neilthereildeil> thats my file
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69[00:18:52] <neilthereildeil> ok, so then ill remove that
httpredir line
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70[00:18:55] <LtL> neilthereildeil: install pastebinit too
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72[00:19:53] <neilthereildeil> LtL: should i change anything in
that pastebin post?
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74[00:20:05] <LtL> neilthereildeil: add contrib non-free to
each line, i would use the bot's lines
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75[00:20:25] <LtL> neilthereildeil: i would, yes
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76[00:22:02] <preambler> how do I override my DNS settings from
DHCP
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80[00:23:54] <neilthereildeil> LtL: also, why is wifi card a
special case as far as FW goes?
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81[00:24:08] <neilthereildeil> does the ethernet card also
require the OS to load the FW?
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84[00:25:32] <LtL> neilthereildeil: as per debian policy, that
firmware is in the non-free repo as is many other good softwares.
which is fine.
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86[00:25:52] <LtL> neilthereildeil: but its still free as in
beer
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87[00:26:20] <neilthereildeil> but why isnt the ethernet card
FW distributed this way?
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88[00:26:35] <neilthereildeil> whats special about wifi that
causes thes distribution problems?
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91[00:29:10] <rant> well ethernet firmware isn't
special... but wifi companies apparently thing things like their
noise floor calibration routines and such are.. so they make it
closed source.. hence the issue
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92[00:29:30] <rant> if they didnt ship blackbox firmwares,
there would be no issue
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95[00:30:01] <neilthereildeil> ahh ok
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97[00:30:25] <neilthereildeil> so the antenna and physics code
is secret
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98[00:30:28] <neilthereildeil> ?
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99[00:30:39] <rant> they like to think so I guess :P
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100[00:30:49] <neilthereildeil> heh interesting
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101[00:31:09] <neilthereildeil> ok thanks for the help!
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102[00:31:10] <whislock> It's not secret, per se, given
that they're just implementing a standard. It's how
they're implementing the standard in code that they consider
proprietary.
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104[00:31:48] <rant> maybe someday the mfgs and providers of
service will realize what consumers actually want and are willing to
pay good money for.. and its not being bullied and treated like
criminals
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161[00:59:19] <HeXiLeD> so i have this person that keeps opening
windows of the browser, minimizes them and instead of maximizing
them again, opens a new one (always for the same page). So i am
thinking how to restrict the number of processes allowed for that
app. What should I be looking for ?
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162[00:59:51] <SerajewelKS> what problem is it causing?
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165[01:00:54] <HeXiLeD> runs out of memory and turns the system
slugish
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166[01:01:25] <SerajewelKS> seems like educating the user would
be better?
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167[01:01:26] <HeXiLeD> ideally i would like to restrict 1
process for each app on that desktop
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168[01:01:31] <HeXiLeD> tried.
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170[01:01:40] <rant> maybe you should not let them use a
computer, or take their minimize button away or something liek that
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172[01:01:52] <SerajewelKS> one process per app is going to
break so much stuff
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173[01:01:57] <HeXiLeD> even put a recording with instructions
to play every 30 minutes
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174[01:02:10] <rant> the browser won't even work with only
one process
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175[01:02:16] <HeXiLeD> rant: it is senior person that lives
alone and uses the computer to talk to family
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176[01:02:34] <rant> then make it more like a senior's
computer.. less functionality
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177[01:02:44] <HeXiLeD> that is what i have been doing
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178[01:02:47] <SerajewelKS> are they opening another browser?
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179[01:02:53] <SerajewelKS> or opening a new tab or something?
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180[01:02:54] <HeXiLeD> everything is custom
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181[01:03:09] <HeXiLeD> always a new window not tab
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182[01:03:22] <SerajewelKS> maybe have the "start web
browser" icon first check if the browser is running, and just
bring that window to the foreground
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183[01:03:31] <SerajewelKS> if that's how they're
doing it
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184[01:03:50] <rant> yes.. or.. as I already said, take the
minimize function away :P
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185[01:03:50] <Sveta> HeXiLeD, just leave the user with it - if
they want to keep opening new windows and running out of memory it
is their choice
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186[01:03:51] <HeXiLeD> can you explain that
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187[01:03:51] <mutante> HeXiLeD:
replaced-url
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188[01:03:53] <SerajewelKS> i think the unity dock does that
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190[01:04:01] <rant> seniors don't multi task..
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191[01:04:09] <HeXiLeD> SerajewelKS: that is useful
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192[01:04:10] <mutante> disable the buttons ^
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193[01:04:14] <HeXiLeD> if i can remove the minimize
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195[01:04:25] <Sveta> HeXiLeD, or do you want to start showing a
'too many windows opened, oops, please close them first'
dialog ?
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196[01:04:41] <rant> you can remove minimize globally via the
window manager if you use a decent one.
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197[01:04:52] <SerajewelKS> 0 * * * * killall firefox
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198[01:04:54] <SerajewelKS> :)
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199[01:04:56] <Sveta> rant, that's called a kiosk, but they
may start opening tabs
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200[01:05:02] <HeXiLeD> if i can hide the minimize button, the
problem also gets fixed
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201[01:05:14] <Sveta> HeXiLeD, you sure they will not start
using a million of tabs?
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202[01:05:20] <HeXiLeD> rant: use fluxbox. all desktop is custom
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203[01:05:24] <rant> Sveta: right.. the machines they market to
seniors run more like a kiosk
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204[01:05:25] <SerajewelKS> plenty of window decorators let you
customize the border
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205[01:05:33] <HeXiLeD> yes sure Sveta
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206[01:05:48] <Sveta> HeXiLeD, if they start opening new tabs,
then hiding the minimize button is a bit useless
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207[01:05:52] <mutante> just edit some CSS UserChrome.css or so
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208[01:06:05] <HeXiLeD> the user never does tabs Sveta .
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209[01:06:17] <mutante> while at it make them happy by using
giant font size
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210[01:06:20] <friendofafriend> HeXiLeD: That behavior is not
always the same in browsers.
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211[01:06:24] <HeXiLeD> i have access to the desktop remotely
and can see the habits
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213[01:06:41] <friendofafriend> HeXiLeD: Many will open the tab
with that page already open, when you go to the same site twice.
Some do not.
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214[01:07:00] <friendofafriend> HeXiLeD: You may check out a
similar query here.
replaced-url
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215[01:07:02] <SerajewelKS> your best bet is to customize the
window decorations to remove all minimize buttons, or use a dock
that minimizes to the same button as used to launch. then clicking
the button just restores the prior window.
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216[01:07:21] <mutante> HeXiLeD: reboot host once every 4 hours
via cron ?:P
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217[01:07:31] <HeXiLeD> SerajewelKS: a dock is even better
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218[01:07:57] <SerajewelKS> i have to get going. good luck.
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228[01:13:20] <Ede|Popede> HeXiLeD: would an icon area help
that's always visible? also i've seen a minimalistic wm
before written in python without any window decoration. or a tiling
wm. depending on the usage (only a few programs maybe) a click area
with some wmctrl handlers or so may help.
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234[01:14:47] <HeXiLeD> well the idea of a dock that minimizes
to the same button as used to launch then clicking the button just
restores the prior windo is actually perfect
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235[01:14:54] <HeXiLeD> i am looking into docky
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249[01:18:13] <somiaj> hmm, I could see how to do that with
FvwmButtons (sort of), basically make a dock button that launches
the application using a conditional. If the application is running,
just switch to it (un iconfiy it), other wise launch it if it
isn't running.
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250[01:18:53] <somiaj> I wonder if you could do this with other
docs, so make a launcher use some program (maybe xprop) to check if
the application is running and focus it if it is running, other wise
run it. Then when you minizie it, just make it disapear.
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251[01:18:56] <HeXiLeD> i am using idesktop for icons
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257[01:23:52] <somiaj> HeXiLeD: you might be able to configure
what apps turn into icons, and set up some launcher as I described.
I can't say how to do this in different window managers or icon
managers other than fvwm.
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260[01:27:01] <HeXiLeD> somiaj: do you have any webpage with
that info got fvwm ?
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263[01:27:50] <somiaj> HeXiLeD: the wiki has some info, and
learning to get info from the man page it is there. Though takes
time, I don't know if there is a page for this exact situation.
I think there might be info about the conditional launcher
somewhere, one second.
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265[01:29:07] <somiaj> as I said, it is a button that will do
varous actions depending on conditions, like is the program running,
is it active, etc. It will even close it (if you wanted)
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290[01:49:57] <GumShoe> Continuing my raid 1 experimenting from
yesterday .... I have a pair of 4TB drives. I did a default minimal
install on /dev/sda and am now trying to duplicate it in on /dev/sdb
and a md. I used sfdisk to copy the part tbl from sda to sdb
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293[01:50:49] <GumShoe> I try mdadm -v --assemble md126
/dev/sda2 /dev/sdb2 and get /dev/sda2 has no superblock - assembly
aborted but I have booted from /dev/sda and /dev/sda2 is mounted
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342[02:16:23] <coltkirk> anyone know why debian won't
recognize my 2nd and 3rd ssd drives
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346[02:17:04] <joepublic> coltkirk, no, no one has enough
information to make even a vague guess.
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347[02:17:25] <coltkirk> hehe ill mess with fstab. i usualy
figure things out
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350[02:17:56] <coltkirk> its part of the fun. debian has been a
great slate for building my own thing
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352[02:18:22] <joepublic> it helps to look in dmesg and/or
/var/log/kern.log sometimes to see what the kernel saw at boot time.
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354[02:19:01] <coltkirk> cool. yea i need to pay more attention
to var
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359[02:20:09] <joepublic> sudo fdisk -l will dump the list of
all known (to the system) hard drives/SSDs and what partitions they
contain
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362[02:22:59] <joepublic> ATA, ata, ahci, SSD, SATA, /dev/sd,
/dev/hd might be good things to grep for
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363[02:23:03] <joepublic> in the dmesg
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364[02:23:47] <coltkirk> yea i know fdisk pretty well. i think
fstab needs to be setup to recognize + permissions.
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365[02:23:48] <karlpinc> lsblk is nice too.
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367[02:25:20] <coltkirk> looking at kern.log is a really good
thing you just taught me. i see lots of things that need to be
addressed
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368[02:25:50] <SerajewelKS> coltkirk: "lsblk" is your
friend for dealing with anything disk-related
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370[02:26:06] <SerajewelKS> i've been using linux since
2001-ish and only learned of this tool last year. would have saved
me a lot of time.
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372[02:27:01] <SerajewelKS> in particular, lsblk will show you
every disk, partition, and dm node (which includes encrypted
volumes, dmraid volumes, and LVM volumes)
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373[02:27:01] <coltkirk> i like how it lsblk shows mount points
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374[02:27:20] <SerajewelKS> yep, that's pretty nifty too
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376[02:28:17] <SerajewelKS> for awhile i was trying to figure
out how to determine which physical partition owned which opened
luks volume. cryptsetup doesn't seem to have a facility to list
currently-opened volumes.
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377[02:28:28] <SerajewelKS> you can dig around in /proc or /sys
(i forget which) or you can just ask lsblk
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382[02:29:39] <SerajewelKS> you have to be careful with lsblk
though because some entries may be duplicated. for example, if you
have LVM-in-raid1 (or any raid level with redundancy) you'll
see the LVM volumes multiple times, under each physical device that
provides the RAID.
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383[02:30:05] <SerajewelKS> i guess you'll even see the
RAID device multiple times
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386[02:30:45] <agio> LVM over RAID == complicated
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387[02:31:24] <SerajewelKS> not really
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388[02:31:44] <SerajewelKS> the layers assemble themselves at
boot time
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389[02:32:07] <agio> yeah, once its all in place its reliable
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391[02:32:21] <SerajewelKS> you can very easily set it all up in
the installer
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392[02:32:39] <SerajewelKS> putting it in place after the fact
isn't terribly hard either, if you know what you're doing
(hint: i've set it up dozens of times, so it's not much of
a challenge anymore)
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393[02:32:50] <agio> but having to mentally map/reconstruct you
set it up is challenging for me
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394[02:33:02] <SerajewelKS> ah. it's second nature for me
at this point.
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395[02:33:11] <agio> especially when you add more layers (e.g.
encryption ) over that
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396[02:33:15] <SerajewelKS> i'd rather deal with RAID and
LVM than physical partitions
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397[02:33:30] <agio> because of re-sizing etc?
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399[02:33:46] <SerajewelKS> that's one aspect, yeah
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401[02:34:15] <SerajewelKS> it can also help with motherboards
that don't number disks consistently (e.g. sda randomly becomes
sdb)
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402[02:34:26] <SerajewelKS> though you can deal with that just
by using UUIDs in your fstab
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403[02:34:57] <agio> could you use udev's unique names?
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404[02:35:00] <SerajewelKS> my server has four disks with a
single /boot in RAID1 across all four, and grub installed to all
four
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405[02:35:13] <SerajewelKS> which means i don't care which
disk is the boot disk, the system will start fine with any disk
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406[02:35:29] <SerajewelKS> you might be able to use udev names,
but even that is less reliable than just using volume UUIDs
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407[02:35:47] <GumShoe> @ <SerajewelKS> i'd rather
deal with RAID and LVM than physical partitions
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408[02:35:52] <SerajewelKS> with volume UUIDs you can even move
a volume into LVM and the system won't care (after rebuilding
the initrd)
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410[02:36:38] <GumShoe> For my pair of 4tb drives might you
suggest that I have almost the entire drive (except boot and swap)
for / and then use LVM?
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413[02:37:26] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: my disks are in a bit of
unconventional RAID so i'll spare you the details, but
basically all the disks have a 512MB dmraid volume which is the
RAID1 /boot
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414[02:37:52] <GumShoe> Are your drives larger than 2tb?
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415[02:37:55] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: the rest of the disk is
also a RAID1. inside of the RAID1 is an LVM PV. the LVM VG has
volumes for / and swap.
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416[02:37:59] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: yes
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420[02:38:35] <agio> I guess the udev automatially assigned
names (eg. /dev/disk/by-id/* etc) arent' available at the
initrd stage eithher, becuase systemd hasn't run yet?
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421[02:38:53] <SerajewelKS> i specifically put swap inside of
the RAID1 so that the system can survive a disk failure without
dying. it may seem smart to have two swaps, one on each drive. but
if a disk dies and there is something swapped out onto that disk,
the kernel is likely going to panic when it tries to swap that page
back in.
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422[02:39:21] <SerajewelKS> agio: the initrd has enough to probe
for LVM and dmraid, so i would assume it also knows device names
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423[02:39:26] <GumShoe> Don't you need a GPD boot? FWIW
i've don't raid in centos/fedora but this is my first
debian raid expereince...
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424[02:39:36] <SerajewelKS> GPD?
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425[02:39:50] <agio> you mean GPT?
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427[02:40:03] <agio> for UEfi?
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428[02:40:11] <GumShoe> yup gpt
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429[02:40:16] <SerajewelKS> oh. yes, my disklabels are GPT.
there is also BIOS boot partition for grub since my system uses BIOS
boot and not UEFI.
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431[02:40:28] <SerajewelKS> grub understands GPT and dmraid
RAID1
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432[02:41:04] <SerajewelKS> i've had strange issues when i
didn't have a separate /boot. grub was trying to boot from
/-in-LVM-in-RAID1 and that usually worked but randomly
wouldn't.
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433[02:41:36] <SerajewelKS> i'm guessing the 3TB volume was
somehow a bit much for grub, and if the kernel/initrd was allocated
beyond _some point_ in the volume that grub couldn't load it.
but i have no data to verify that assumption.
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434[02:41:49] <SerajewelKS> switching to a dedicated 512MB
mirrored /boot at the start of the disk solved that problem, though.
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436[02:42:33] <SerajewelKS> but everything except /boot is in
LVM-in-RAID1
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437[02:42:51] <agio> setup dm-crypt physical volumes via debian
installers patitioner, the kernel/initrd will automatically load the
mappers for the system filesytsm and swap at boot. then mount the
dm-crypt devices at boot
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438[02:43:13] <SerajewelKS> agio: another huge advantage of LVM
is that, if your motherboard can do SATA hot-swap, and you are able
to physically install another disk without unplugging anything
vital, you can use LVM to live-migrate a _mounted volume_ to another
physical disk.
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439[02:43:15] <agio> if you regularrly backup - no need for RAID
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440[02:43:30] <SerajewelKS> RAID is not for backup in the first
place
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441[02:43:40] <SerajewelKS> whether or not you backup says
nothing about whether you need RAID
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444[02:44:18] <agio> isn't RAID primarily used for
redundancy? i.e. disk failure?
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445[02:44:26] <SerajewelKS> yes, but it's not about data
loss
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446[02:44:36] <SerajewelKS> you should always have backups in
addition to RAID, if the data is valuable
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447[02:44:43] <SerajewelKS> RAID is about uptime, not preventing
data loss
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448[02:44:58] <agio> ah, its a 'high availability'
thing
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449[02:45:14] <GumShoe> is/isn't /boot limited to < 2tb?
And an additonal partitiong know on centos as biosboot is needed to?
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450[02:45:17] <SerajewelKS> RAID is so a disk failure
doesn't take down the server, and usually you can replace the
disk with the server on as well (and the mirror will rebuild using
spare iops)
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451[02:45:48] <SerajewelKS> there are cases where you might want
RAID but not need backups -- maybe it's a server where you
_process_ a lot of data (and need it locally on disk so it's
faster) but if the whole thing dies, you didn't lose any data
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452[02:45:59] <agio> right
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453[02:46:02] <SerajewelKS> but you can't tolerate the
server going down due to a disk failure because you need it
processing data 24/7
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454[02:46:29] <SerajewelKS> likewise, you might want backups but
not need RAID because you want to keep your data safe but can
tolerate some hours/days of downtime. RAID and backups are
orthogonal concepts.
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455[02:46:48] <agio> can't you achieve that with load
balanncing and database replication/sharding?
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456[02:47:03] <SerajewelKS> (having said that, RAID can reduce
the number of times you need to get your backups, but you should
still have them)
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457[02:47:11] <SerajewelKS> no
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458[02:47:31] <SerajewelKS> that only protects you from the hard
drives dying. that doesn't protect you from the sysadmin
accidentally running a query that deletes everything
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459[02:47:41] <agio> heh, yeah
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460[02:48:27] <agio> someone here in IRC did that 2 nights ago,
rm -rf'ed their $HOME
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461[02:49:30] <agio> I've worked on a project where the
mysql DB was hacked and the tables deleted too
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463[02:49:52] <SerajewelKS> yep
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464[02:50:08] <agio> was only a staging DB - with dummy entries
so no big dea
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465[02:50:11] <agio> deal
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467[02:50:24] <SerajewelKS> backups should be taken regularly,
and stored somewhere that the system being backed up doesn't
have alter/delete capability. it should only be able to add new
backup data.
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468[02:50:41] <SerajewelKS> if the system can alter/delete then
you have no real protection from malware / accidents.
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469[02:50:41] <agio> yeah,backup should be offsite
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470[02:51:00] <SerajewelKS> well, yes, but you can do offsite
backups where the system can delete stuff
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471[02:51:13] <SerajewelKS> "offsite append-only" is
the ideal
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472[02:52:22] <agio> not sure if you remember our discussion few
weeks ago about SSH forwarding?
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473[02:52:50] <agio> I was wondering how you would forward _all_
ssh connections?
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474[02:52:52] <SerajewelKS> ah, yes. i don't remember nicks
that well, so i didn't remember that was you.
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475[02:53:05] <SerajewelKS> what does "forward all ssh
connections" mean?
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476[02:53:24] <agio> well , I think we discussed this command
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477[02:53:28] <karlpinc> Someone was talking the other day about
the 3-2-1 rule. 3 backups. On 2 different kinds of media. With at
least 1 copy offsite.
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478[02:53:49] <agio> ssh -p 1234 admin@x.x.x.x -L
3307:localhost:3306 -N
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481[02:54:09] <SerajewelKS> karlpinc: indeed. and services like
S3 and B2 are so cheap that it's silly not to pay a few bucks a
month to sync a copy there, too.
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483[02:54:23] <agio> which forwards a single connection
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484[02:54:36] <SerajewelKS> okay. so what does "all"
mean.
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485[02:54:38] <karlpinc> SerajewelKS: So long as it's
encrypted on the local end. :-)
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486[02:55:09] <SerajewelKS> karlpinc: yes, we use restic which
does local encryption and deduplication using a git-like
content-addressable store, so that chunks of content including
directories are stored by their hash.
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487[02:55:16] <agio> "all" means, you open a SOCKS5
tunnel locally
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488[02:55:24] <agio> using the -D option
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490[02:55:28] <SerajewelKS> which also encrypts all metadata
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491[02:55:34] <agio> right
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492[02:55:52] <agio> how do you make all ssh connections go over
that?
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493[02:55:55] <SerajewelKS> agio: -D is useful but the client
has to understand SOCKS, or you have to use something like socat
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494[02:56:13] <karlpinc> SerajewelKS: My issue with restic is
that it's entirely a push model. (IIRC) This does no good when
the local box is compromised because then it has access and is able
to destroy the backups.
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496[02:56:17] <SerajewelKS> agio: if you are tunnelling ssh
connections, you might want to use -J instead
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497[02:56:27] <agio> right, does open-ssh client understand
socks? it must do - if it created the tunnel?
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498[02:56:34] <agio> -J ?
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499[02:56:39] <SerajewelKS> karlpinc: no, you can run restic
against its REST server, which supports an append-only flag
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500[02:56:52] <SerajewelKS> agio: ssh -J user@proxyhost
user@finalhost
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501[02:57:02] <SerajewelKS> agio: connects to finalhost by
tunneling through proxyhost, in one command
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503[02:57:09] <agio> oh? thats simple too
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504[02:57:17] <karlpinc> SerajewelKS: Nice.
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505[02:57:32] <SerajewelKS> karlpinc: see
replaced-url
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506[02:57:48] <karlpinc> SerajewelKS: Append-only in the remote
side REST config?
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507[02:58:03] <SerajewelKS> karlpinc: note that rclone has a
"restic serve" command which can work against any backend
that rclone supports, and it understands --append-only. so you can
run an rclone service that stores content directly in
S3/B2/whatever.
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509[02:58:17] <SerajewelKS> karlpinc: yes. so the server backups
are pushed to will not accept any deletion/replace operations.
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510[02:58:40] <SerajewelKS> except on "lock" objects,
which is required to coordinate operations like prune/check
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511[02:58:51] <karlpinc> SerajewelKS: I've been doing rsync
hardlinked backups to save space. But I should take a look.
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512[03:00:23] <SerajewelKS> karlpinc: i use restic to backup to
a local disk and then i have a remote pull the repository with
rclone copy, using --immutable
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514[03:00:55] <SerajewelKS> karlpinc: which means that rclone
will not delete anything, and it will not transfer any files that
were changed. it only copies new files. and in fact, it fails if it
detects a modified file.
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515[03:01:08] <agio> SerajewelKS: say, I wan't to git clone
something where I need the underlying ssh client (which git clone
calls into) to use the ssh -J option
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516[03:01:20] <SerajewelKS> this way i get speed when restoring
from a local backup (don't have to pull over a WAN) but my
offsite backups are secure because deletions/changes are not
accepted by the offsite system
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517[03:01:35] <SerajewelKS> agio: this is where your .ssh/config
is handy
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518[03:01:36] <agio> do I need to define the option in
~/.ssh/config?
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519[03:01:47] <agio> under Host * ?
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520[03:01:53] <SerajewelKS> agio: yes. the option you want is
ProxyJump
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521[03:02:05] <SerajewelKS> Host foo ProxyJump user@proxyhost
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522[03:02:22] <SerajewelKS> then you should be able to git clone
from "foo"
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523[03:03:32] <agio> is there a way to specify ProxyJump on a
per command or per shell basis? e.g. can you export and environment
var like `SSH_OPTIONS=ProxyJump' or similar?
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525[03:04:18] <karlpinc> agio: What are you trying to accomplish
with that?
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528[03:05:27] <SerajewelKS> agio: git has GIT_SSH_COMMAND, if
that answers your question. i'm not aware of any facility ssh
has.
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529[03:05:37] <SerajewelKS> the real answer is to use
.ssh/config
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530[03:05:42] <karlpinc> agio: You can set up an "alternate
hostname" in your ~/.ssh/config and use that hostname only when
you want to do your git stuff.
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531[03:05:49] <SerajewelKS> ^ was just going to say that
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532[03:06:38] <SerajewelKS> Host somefakename HostName
realhostname ProxyJump proxyhost
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537[03:08:07] <SerajewelKS> karlpinc: the only thing that kind
of sucks about restic is that, due to its git-like model,
there's no way to quickly determine what can be discarded when
you delete a backup
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539[03:08:34] <karlpinc> SerajewelKS: How many backups do you
keep?
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540[03:08:54] <SerajewelKS> so it has a "prune"
operation that scans all pack headers to discover all objects
(particularly to clean up garbage from an interrupted backup) and
then it does a mark-and-sweep on those objects by using the snapshot
trees as the GC roots.
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541[03:09:11] <SerajewelKS> the rest of the objects are removed.
any pack containing a deleted object is rewritten.
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542[03:09:40] <SerajewelKS> karlpinc: i use the policy-based
"forget" options. so on our production servers, we keep 60
daily backups, 8 weekly backups, 12 monthly backups, and 2 yearly
backups
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543[03:10:12] <karlpinc> SerajewelKS: I just keep a few hundred
daily backups. Probably 400.
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544[03:10:39] <SerajewelKS> our repo is somewhere around 160GB
and contains TBs of logical data
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545[03:10:49] <SerajewelKS> 5 or 6 TBs worth of backups
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546[03:10:57] <karlpinc> SerajewelKS: It wasn't worth
paring down.
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547[03:11:10] <SerajewelKS> yeah that was my thought too.
storage is cheap.
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549[03:12:01] <SerajewelKS> we have disk alerts on the backup
server so i don't really run the forget script very often.
though we sync to S3 for offsite, so i will run the forget script
semi-regularly so we're not paying for storage for backups we
don't need to retain according to the policy.
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554[03:16:06] <GumShoe> During a debian 9 cdrom minimal install
I'd like to wipe the partition tables on /dev/sda and /dev/sdb.
I did this with fdisk and wrote the changes. But when I go back to
the installer it's still seeing the /dev/mdXX raid devices I
made.
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555[03:16:38] <GumShoe> With the tools that are on the install
cdrom how can I elminate the raid too?
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558[03:17:14] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: either reboot or you have
to drop back to the shell and deactivate the raid devices
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559[03:17:26] <SerajewelKS> wiping the partition table
doesn't make the kernel forget about dm devices
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562[03:17:41] <SerajewelKS> rebooting is the simplest option to
get 100% correct
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564[03:18:21] <SerajewelKS> otherwise, go to the shell and lsblk
to see what devices you have, then use mdadm to stop them
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565[03:19:10] <SerajewelKS> if you have other dm devices (LVM
LVs, crypt disks) then you should stop those as well
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566[03:19:21] <SerajewelKS> it's more bulletproof to just
reboot the installer if that's practical
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567[03:19:37] <blackbart> When I first got my usb wifi dongle, I
installed several different drivers (firmware-ralink from non-free,
as well as compiling a driver offered by the manufacturer, and IIRC
I got atleast one more off github). How can I find out which one I
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572[03:24:14] <GumShoe> Reboot worked! :-)
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573[03:26:04] <agio> ~.
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574[03:26:22] <agio> ~.
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575[03:26:46] <agio> ~....~.
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578[03:27:14] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: you were asking about my
setup. my disks are 6TB, 3TB, 3TB, and 1TB. the 1TB disk has an LVM
PV directly and is used as a non-redundant work area. (everything on
that disk does not need to be backed up.)
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579[03:27:48] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: the 3TB disks form a 6TB
RAID0
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580[03:27:57] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: then that RAID0 plus the
6TB disk form a RAID1
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582[03:28:18] <SerajewelKS> so i have 6TB of redundant space,
one copy on the 6TB disk and one copy spread over the two 3TB disks.
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587[03:31:13] <GumShoe> That's interesting how you used the
raid0 and raid1 ...
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603[03:39:45] <agio> karlpinc: sorry for late reply - I was
interrupted. cool, I'll give GIT_SSH_COMMAND a look
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604[03:40:10] <GumShoe> So as I'm manually partitioning
this install I see a partion type of reserved bios boot area. What
about the ?magic? boot area that supports larger that 2tb drives?
Will that just be configured without my intervention?
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605[03:41:04] <agio> are you BOOTING FROM UEFI/GPT or BIOS?
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606[03:41:41] <GumShoe> A 4tb drive
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607[03:42:12] <agio> yeah but what boot firmware?
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608[03:42:24] <GumShoe> Pretty sure I left the BIOS config set
as UEFI. Can I check while the installer is running?
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609[03:42:43] <agio> not sure
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611[03:43:31] <agio> but yes, you are going to want to find that
out
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612[03:44:21] <agio> if you want the partition table to address
the entire 4TB drive you will prob have to use GPT
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616[03:45:45] <GumShoe> If I'm set for UEFI would I see
additional partition table type? To support the boot. I want to boot
off either of the two raid1 devices in case of single drive failure.
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619[03:47:17] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: i did that because i
previously had the two 3TB drives in a RAID1 and wanted to expand to
6TB. so i could buy 2x 6TB drives and find some other use for the
3TB drives, or get 1x 6TB and do what i did.
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623[03:48:18] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: the cool part is that i was
able to do the reshaping all online. the process was basically this:
grow the 3TB RAID1 to 3 devices, add the 6TB partition and wait for
the array to rebuild. fail the 2x 3TB devices from the array and
reduce the number of devices to 2.
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625[03:48:44] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: at this point i have two
unused 3TB disks and a 6TB disk in a 3TB array, with the array
having one "failed" slot
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630[03:50:14] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: then i set up the RAID0
across the 3TB disks, and add the RAID0 device to the RAID1 array.
once again, wait for the array to rebuild. once this is done, i ask
the array to expand to be as large as possible (use the size of the
smallest device) which changes the array from 3TB to 6TB. then i
just have to resize the filesystem, which can be done online.
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631[03:50:21] <SerajewelKS> so from start to finish this all
required no downtime to accomplish
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652[04:01:18] <GumShoe> @SerajewelkS would you please take a
look at this picture;
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653[04:01:47] <GumShoe> ... and this one...
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654[04:02:41] <GumShoe> Looks like it's complaining that I
have no root partition which I assume is the / which I have
configured as raid
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658[04:06:39] <GumShoe> ohh bummer this article
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660[04:09:02] <dvs> GumShoe, must've started in BIOS mode
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662[04:10:34] <GumShoe> @dvs am I correct that BIOS mode
won't support my 4tb drives?
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664[04:11:04] <dvs> GumShoe, you are correct
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666[04:11:40] <GumShoe> Did you look at my partitioning in the
picture at
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669[04:12:21] <agio> hmm, Im reading this tutorial:
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670[04:12:49] <dvs> GumShoe, I'm not sure if you can put
/boot on a RAID drive
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674[04:14:22] <GumShoe> It works on my Fedora fc.22 system....
This debian 9 will replace it eventually
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679[04:16:15] <agio> the tutorial says put this line in
~/.ssh/config:
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680[04:16:16] <agio> ProxyCommand ssh -q proxy.example.org nc %h
%p
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681[04:16:48] <agio> but I don't understand what it does.
it looks like its using netcat ? `nc' ?
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712[04:53:53] <rwp> agio, The tutorial is stale and out of date.
That is no longer needed with ssh since ssh now supports the -W
option.
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715[04:55:50] <rwp> agio, Instead use: ProxyCommand ssh -W %h:%p
proxy.example.org
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723[05:10:07] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: a few notes
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726[05:10:30] <dvs> b#
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727[05:10:55] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: a separate raid1 /boot is
probably a good idea. there's very little reason for the rest
of the devices to be their own separate raid1 devices. you'd be
better off with a single raid1 that contains an LVM PV, then create
/, /home, /var, and swap as LVM LVs.
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728[05:11:07] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: are you booting using BIOS
or UEFI?
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729[05:11:34] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: honestly there's also
little reason for /, /home, and /var to be separate volumes at all
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733[05:13:08] <SerajewelKS> 4GB for /boot is also waaaaaaay
overkill
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734[05:13:16] <agio> rwp: thanks, trying now, but its not
working. any idea how to pass the -vvv option to ssh when you are
using ssh via 'git clone' ?
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736[05:13:52] <agio> also, would I need to allow agent auth
forwarding from the proxy machine?
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738[05:14:18] <rwp> agio, Hopefully you have full ssh access and
can debug this using pure ssh. But I guess not?
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739[05:14:38] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: here is my recommendation.
the first partition on both disks should be a 1MB BIOS boot
partition, for grub to be able to boot from GPT. if you are booting
using UEFI, the next partition on both disks should be a 256MB EFI
system partition.
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740[05:14:56] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: then have a 512MB physical
raid partition on both disks, in raid1, with /boot inside.
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742[05:15:31] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: then the remaining space is
another physical raid partition, in raid1, with an LVM PV inside.
then create a 16GB swap LV and the rest of the space in the VG can
be for /.
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743[05:15:47] <SerajewelKS> you may want to leave ~5% of the VG
space free for snapshots, which can be very useful to get atomic
backups
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746[05:17:07] <agio> rwp: the problem is the final machine is
bitbucket.org , whilst - yes - I do have ssh key for the repo, but I
can't run regular ssh commands (such as ssh me@remote uptime)
to test connection, because the remote is not a full ssh login
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747[05:17:13] <GumShoe> Problem I'm having now is that I
switched my BIOS to UEFI and then did the partitoning again. It
keesp complaining that I have to root partition I have / mirrored I
did create a GPT partion first on both volumes but didn't
mirror it.
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748[05:17:29] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: what is a "GPT
partition"
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750[05:18:07] <GumShoe> I didn't create a boot once I
changed to uefi. I thought the EFP (not gpt oppsss...)
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754[05:18:38] <SerajewelKS> okay. for EFI mode you only need an
EFI system partition, not BIOS boot.
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755[05:18:46] <SerajewelKS> however, having both allows the
system to boot in either mode, seamlessly.
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757[05:19:01] <GumShoe> the esp doesn't have a lable but it
is marked bootable
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759[05:19:12] <SerajewelKS> but having an EFI system partition
on both disks takes a bit more work since you can't mirror it,
so you have to keep it in sync some other way. it's a pain.
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760[05:19:28] <SerajewelKS> the bootable flag is pointless with
GPT
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761[05:19:35] <SerajewelKS> i didn't think GPT even
supported that flag
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762[05:19:43] <GumShoe> pain 4 sure but I mustr be able to boot
either disk if the raid 1 degrades.
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763[05:19:57] <SerajewelKS> i prefer BIOS boot because keeping
the EFI system partition in sync sucks.
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766[05:20:32] <SerajewelKS> hmm apparently you can mirror EFI
system partition with dmraid metadata <1.x
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767[05:20:56] <SerajewelKS> because 0.9 stores metadata at the
_end_ of the partition, meaning the UEFI system won't see the
metadata ahead of the FAT header
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768[05:21:40] <rwp> SerajewelKS, I believe that is correct. And
I believe whislock also does this too.
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769[05:22:10] <SerajewelKS> i don't think the installer
supports selecting the metadata version though, and defaults to 1.x
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770[05:22:17] <SerajewelKS> so you'd have to set that up in
the shell :/
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771[05:22:29] <GumShoe> current partitioning. I just made a huge
/ to see if I could get past the no root error.
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772[05:22:31] <rwp> It would need to manually set up that way
with mdadm 0.90 raid.
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773[05:22:34] <SerajewelKS> once you set it up, the installer
partitioner should notice it, if you can make it refresh
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775[05:23:06] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: try with only one ESP
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776[05:23:15] <SerajewelKS> it might be upset trying to mount
/boot/efi twice
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779[05:23:53] <SerajewelKS> though if that is the case, it would
be nice if the error message indicated that
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780[05:23:55] <GumShoe> hmmmm...
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781[05:24:37] <GumShoe> I'll try it for a test, but need to
boot both drives eaisly....
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782[05:24:42] <SerajewelKS> if you make a partition of the same
size but empty (for the second ESP) then after you run grub-install
you could dd the partition to keep it in sync. hacky though.
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784[05:24:56] <SerajewelKS> yes but the installer doesn't
even support two ESPs. you have to do something else.
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785[05:25:05] <SerajewelKS> like a 0.9 dmraid raid1, or
dd'ing the partition.
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788[05:25:16] <SerajewelKS> which, again, is why i don't
like UEFI boot
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789[05:26:00] <SerajewelKS> it would be nice if dmraid allowed
you to store the metadata in a small partition. you could have one
raid metadata partition and one EFI system partition on each disk.
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791[05:26:21] <SerajewelKS> then UEFI doesn't see any RAID
superblock in the way, but dmraid still works
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792[05:26:30] <GumShoe> Bummer. :-( I deleted the ESP from the
2nd drive. Still complaining about no root
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794[05:26:36] <SerajewelKS> that's really odd
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795[05:26:54] <SerajewelKS> whoa hold up
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796[05:26:59] <SerajewelKS> what's up with "raid
/"
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797[05:27:12] <SerajewelKS> did you actually ever set up the
raid volumes, or did you just label them "/" and assumed
that would work?
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799[05:27:38] <SerajewelKS> i don't see any raid volumes
here, just the unconfigured raid PVs
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801[05:27:54] <SerajewelKS> you marked the partitions as
"used for raid" but never told the system _how_ to use
them
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802[05:28:06] <GumShoe> I think I need to write the config
before I can go on to the raid assembley
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803[05:28:19] <SerajewelKS> no, you don't. okay. scrap
everything, let's build this.
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807[05:28:49] <SerajewelKS> give yourself a 1GB ESP on sda, then
give yourself a 1GB unformatted partition on sdb
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809[05:29:14] <SerajewelKS> then give yourself a 512MB raid
partition on sda, and a 512MB on sdb
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811[05:29:40] <SerajewelKS> then allocate the rest of both disks
as raid partitions. let me know when you're done, and post
another shot of the partitioner.
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813[05:31:52] <GumShoe> ? what about / ?
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814[05:32:02] <SerajewelKS> we'll get there
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815[05:32:46] <SerajewelKS> i've done this setup dozens of
times, we'll get it working
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816[05:33:25] <GumShoe> for discussion... what if I just
partition 1 drive, then drop to shell and use sfdisk to copy
/dev/sda to /dev/sdb ?
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818[05:33:53] <SerajewelKS> that can work if you back out of the
partitioner and go back in, so it notices that things changed
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819[05:34:21] <SerajewelKS> you get those partitions created?
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820[05:34:24] <GumShoe> I tried this earlier today but
couldn't assemble the raid arrays as /dev/sdaXXX was busy. I
think because the partitions wern't marked as raid
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823[05:35:19] <SerajewelKS> you can't assemble an array
that doesn't exist, you have to create it first
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825[05:35:34] <SerajewelKS> once you get those partitions done,
you need to select the "configure software raid" option
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827[05:35:48] <SerajewelKS> you want to create a raid1 of
(sda2,sdb2) and another raid1 of (sda3,sdb3)
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828[05:36:02] <SerajewelKS> show me a screenshot after
completing these steps
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829[05:36:46] <GumShoe> I did create the array with
'missing /dev/sdbx' when trying to --add I got sdaxx busy
also tried some --manage --assemble foo...
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831[05:37:14] <SerajewelKS> you shouldn't have to do
anything but use the GUI partitioner
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832[05:37:22] <SerajewelKS> if that fails something is fubar
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836[05:41:39] <SerajewelKS> the goal here is to use LVM for
everything but /boot
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838[05:43:38] <GumShoe> I'll stay with lvm through the
experiment, but I''m not comfortable with LVM. Might have
to RTFM LVM tomorrow. This may be a home server but I like to learn
best or better practices in case I need the knowledge out in the
'real world'
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840[05:44:04] <GumShoe> O.K. like this?
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841[05:44:08] <GumShoe>
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842[05:44:11] <SerajewelKS> LVM is not much more involved than
"real" partitions except that you can make some changes
while the system remains up
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845[05:44:35] <SerajewelKS> yes, exactly. now "configure
software RAID" up at the top.
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846[05:45:12] <SerajewelKS> oh wait
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847[05:45:19] <SerajewelKS> sdb1 should not be "ext3
/"
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848[05:45:26] <SerajewelKS> edit its settings and mark it
"use as: do not use"
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850[05:47:26] <GumShoe> O.K. and then when I configure RAID I
have to format partitions first. (says installer)
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851[05:47:45] <SerajewelKS> correct. confirm that action.
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852[05:48:00] <SerajewelKS> that will actually write the
partition table out so that dmraid has partitions to work with.
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853[05:48:18] <t3st3r> on side note, btrfs is more pleasant than
lvm to my taste, at least as raid0/1/1+0. Especially for home.
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854[05:48:42] <SerajewelKS> perhaps. i still don't trust it
enough to use it for anything i care about.
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855[05:48:53] <t3st3r> though needs recent kernel and I
wouldn't recommend raid 5/6
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856[05:48:57] <SerajewelKS> from what i understand, corruption
is now rare, but when corruption happens, there are ~no tools to
help you recover.
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858[05:49:31] <SerajewelKS> i like the goals, though. i'm
excited for it to stabilize.
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860[05:49:37] <t3st3r> Hum? There is builtin parser that can
read data out even if that thing fails to mount
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862[05:49:47] <t3st3r> in btrfs prog
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864[05:50:16] <SerajewelKS> though i suppose with backups, it
doesn't much matter
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865[05:50:58] <GumShoe>
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866[05:51:13] <SerajewelKS> yep, we aren't done
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868[05:51:25] <SerajewelKS> eesh. okay.
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869[05:51:35] <SerajewelKS> note that you have three new
"disks" at the top. however, you should only have two.
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870[05:51:54] <SerajewelKS> you created a RAID using sda1 and
sdb1, which is the ESP. we _don't_ want that raid.
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871[05:52:03] <SerajewelKS> go back into the software raid
manager and delete that array
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873[05:53:10] <SerajewelKS> you should only have the 511MB and
4TB arrays
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875[05:55:07] <t3st3r> SerajewelKS> well, speaking for myself
I got to dislike all this alignment, reservations and other quite
troublesome inconvenient things.
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876[05:55:10] <SerajewelKS> you may have to do a little dance to
get sda1 formatted vfat again... the raid metadata clobbered the
signature but the installer may not think it needs to reformat
anything
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877[05:55:40] <SerajewelKS> t3st3r: most of it is still
necessary, for the ESP and for /boot
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878[05:55:58] <t3st3r> not with btrfs fortunately :)
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879[05:56:13] <SerajewelKS> ? you can't use btrfs for the
ESP.
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880[05:56:50] <t3st3r> hmm you mean EFI partition? Uh yeah EFI
suxx.
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881[05:57:14] <SerajewelKS> and my experience is that grub does
strange things on >2TB volumes
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882[05:57:29] <SerajewelKS> i've had multiple boot failures
that disappeared when i created a dedicated /boot before the 2TB
boundary
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883[05:59:16] <t3st3r> Maybe it system firmware that does
strange things? Though it rather known troublesome boundary if I
remember. So yes, it gets some point.
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885[05:59:30] <GumShoe> better?
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886[05:59:45] <SerajewelKS> t3st3r: i've had the problem on
multiple physical machines and VMs; i don't think it's a
firmware/hardware issue
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887[06:00:21] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: yes. now we have to shift
some stuff to get the partitioner to reformat the ESP that was
clobbered by RAID. mark sda1 as "do not use."
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890[06:00:44] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: then go back into the
software RAID configuration, and back out without making any
changes.
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891[06:01:09] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: then mark sda1 as the ESP
again, and go back into the software RAID configuration. you should
get the "we need to format" prompt and it should tell you
it's going to format sda1 as FAT.
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893[06:01:18] <SerajewelKS> so accept that, then back out of the
software RAID configuration one more time
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894[06:01:26] <SerajewelKS> and we should be right back here,
but with sda1 properly formatted
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896[06:02:09] <SerajewelKS> make sense?
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908[06:11:03] <GumShoe> ok noted the change to fat then changed
back to esp
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909[06:11:16] <SerajewelKS> and it formatted sda1?
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910[06:11:34] <GumShoe> didn't try yet
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911[06:11:42] <SerajewelKS> ok
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912[06:11:54] <SerajewelKS> so when you choose software raid
configuration, does it tell you it will format sda1?
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913[06:12:08] <GumShoe> so 'finish part.. and write
changes' ?
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914[06:12:31] <SerajewelKS> no, select "configure software
raid" again. we need to verify that it _will_ reformat sda1 and
this is a convenient way to force that to happen.
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915[06:12:44] <SerajewelKS> it should give you the "we need
to write our changes" speech and it should specifically note
that sda1 will be formatted
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917[06:13:22] <SerajewelKS> when you use a non-raid volume as a
raid volume it can confuse the partitioner. we're trying to
un-confuse it here.
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919[06:14:55] <SerajewelKS> basically it thought that sda1 was
already formatted and so it didn't need to be. but when you
created the raid device over it, that clobbered the vfat filesystem,
but the installer didn't know that. so it won't reformat
it unless we make it think you're changing sda1.
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920[06:15:26] <GumShoe> it formated again. Not sure we still
want two raids
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921[06:15:27] <SerajewelKS> i'm kind of surprised it even
let you do that
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922[06:16:17] <SerajewelKS> okay looks good. now let's set
up the raid contents. under the 511MB raid device, select the 511MB
"partition" #1 and use as ext, and mount on /boot
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923[06:16:22] <SerajewelKS> this is our mirrored /boot volume
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924[06:16:39] <SerajewelKS> then select the 4TB raid
"partition" and use as: physical volume for LVM
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926[06:17:33] <SerajewelKS> then we can configure LVM, which is
where we will put swap and /. we're in the home stretch.
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928[06:18:25] <GumShoe> no ext. ext 2 3 or 4
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929[06:18:59] <SerajewelKS> for /boot i prefer 3, but 4 should
work too
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930[06:19:51] <SerajewelKS> i didn't specify a version
because it's kind of up to you
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931[06:20:02] <GumShoe> :-)
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932[06:20:11] <GumShoe> it shows ext3 now
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933[06:20:12] <SerajewelKS> i wouldn't pick 2 though
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934[06:20:22] <SerajewelKS> nice. now configure the 4TB raid as
physical volume for LVM.
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937[06:20:40] <SerajewelKS> when that's done, select
"configure the logical volume manager" and you'll get
the prompt that it will format things, accept it again.
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938[06:21:05] <SerajewelKS> in there you want to create a volume
group. name it something pertaining to the machine you're
building ("homeserver" or somesuch) and add the 4TB RAID
device as the only physical volume)
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939[06:21:13] <SerajewelKS> then you can start creating logical
volumes
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946[06:23:47] <agio> I've added this proxycomand to
~/.ssh/config:
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947[06:24:18] <agio> ProxyCommand ssh -W %h:%p me@123.42.134.17
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948[06:24:18] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: once that is done, create a
16GB logical volume called "swap" and a final logical
volume called "root" using the remaining space (just press
enter when it asks you how much space)
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949[06:24:44] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: then "finish"
configuring the LVM and it will take you back to the partitioner,
where we will tell it how to use those two logical volumes.
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950[06:24:50] <SerajewelKS> once we have done that, we can
proceed with the install
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954[06:25:58] <GumShoe> Well maybe LVM might not be so bad...
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956[06:26:20] <SerajewelKS> :)
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957[06:26:33] <SerajewelKS> nice, now just create your 16GB swap
logical volume and your root logical volume
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958[06:26:59] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: among other things, one of
the nice perks of LVM is that you can move a _mounted_ volume
between physical disks
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959[06:27:58] <SerajewelKS> if you ever want to extend the
logical volumes, make sure that any storage you add to the volume
group is redundant (raid1) storage, otherwise you might as well not
be using raid1 at all
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961[06:29:24] <GumShoe> do i make a logical root or root and /
or just root?
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962[06:29:36] <SerajewelKS> i'm not sure what you're
asking
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963[06:29:42] <SerajewelKS> did you create the 16GB swap volume?
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964[06:29:50] <GumShoe> neither am I! :-)
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965[06:29:53] <GumShoe> I made the swap
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966[06:29:56] <SerajewelKS> ok
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967[06:30:01] <SerajewelKS> are you just asking what to name it?
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968[06:30:06] <GumShoe> yes
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969[06:30:16] <SerajewelKS> the name has to be alphanumeric;
this name is for you, not the system
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970[06:30:23] <SerajewelKS> so you can call it "root"
or "foobar" or whatever
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972[06:30:32] <GumShoe> I've never heard of
'root' except in error msgs. I thinik of root as /
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973[06:30:34] <SerajewelKS> i think you can use some other
characters too, like - and _
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974[06:30:48] <SerajewelKS> yep, that's why root is a good
name for it. it's going to be your root volume.
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975[06:31:01] <GumShoe> o.k. got ya. making more sense...
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976[06:31:26] <SerajewelKS> once you're done with that you
can select "finish" in the LVM configuration and you
should return to the partition list
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979[06:31:34] <SerajewelKS> but now you'll have two more
devices
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980[06:32:29] <GumShoe> so a logical swap and a root? irc
starting to scroll out + head swiming a bit
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981[06:32:38] <SerajewelKS> correct
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982[06:32:48] <SerajewelKS> so we have /boot which lives outside
of LVM and has its own mirror
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983[06:32:56] <SerajewelKS> then we have the LVM physical
volume, which is mirrored, and inside we have swap and /
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984[06:33:25] <SerajewelKS> when you get back to the partition
list, send me another picture
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986[06:34:46] <GumShoe>
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987[06:35:08] <SerajewelKS> looks good. what does the main
partitioner screen look like?
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992[06:37:29] <GumShoe>
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993[06:38:00] <SerajewelKS> perfect, so the volume under the
"LV swap" should be "use as: swap"
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995[06:38:08] <SerajewelKS> the volume under "LV root"
should be "use as: ext4" "mount point: /"
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997[06:38:21] <SerajewelKS> once you have made those changes,
select finish at the bottom and continue installation
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1001[06:41:47] <GumShoe> What! It's installing the base
system! :-)
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1002[06:42:09] <GumShoe> couple Qs
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1004[06:42:29] <SerajewelKS> :)
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1005[06:43:15] <GumShoe> When I go to make this production... is
that huge Raid partion good? And then just create /tmp /home / and
/var as LVM logical volumes? How big to make tmp?
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1010[06:45:38] <SerajewelKS> there's nothing wrong with the
huge raid partition. unless you know why you need /tmp, /home, and
/var to be separate, you don't. many of our servers (set up
before i was hired) have / and /var, but they made /var too small
and it's caused us nothing but problems.
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1011[06:45:57] <SerajewelKS> if you want to create them
separately, yes, they would be separate logical volumes. i would
argue that you only need /boot and /.
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1012[06:46:07] <SerajewelKS> on debian, /tmp is a tmpfs
(in-memory filesystem) anyway
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1014[06:46:25] <SerajewelKS> hmm or not
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1015[06:46:40] <SerajewelKS> regardless, it doesn't need to
be its own filesystem. unless you want it to be a tmpfs.
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1016[06:49:43] <GumShoe> when I use the guided partitioner it
makes a bunch of temfs... I'm interested in having a seperate
/tmp for increased security like mounting no suid and noexec
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1020[06:53:31] <SerajewelKS> you certainly could do that
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1022[06:53:49] <SerajewelKS> what i've learned is that when
i try to make separate partitions for everything, i always guess
their sizes wrong
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1023[06:54:31] <SerajewelKS> if you do that, i would leave a good
50-25% of the volume group unallocated. then if a volume turns out
to be too small, you can just use lvextend to allocate some of the
free space to it, and you can grow the ext volume while it's
mounted.
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1024[06:55:01] <GumShoe> Ahh that's excelent advice.
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1025[06:55:10] <SerajewelKS> the nice thing about LVM is that
volumes don't have to occupy contiguous space, so this is a
valid strategy with LVM, whereas it wouldn't be remotely useful
when using raw partitions
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1033[07:01:40] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: you could also create swap
and a btrfs volume in the LVM
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1034[07:02:09] <SerajewelKS> since multiple btrfs volumes can
live in the same btrfs storage pool, they will all share free space,
but can be mounted with different settings
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1036[07:02:27] <SerajewelKS> assuming you're okay with btrfs
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1037[07:02:35] <GumShoe> swap is in a logiclal lvm right?
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1039[07:03:15] <GumShoe> btrfs something else to research...
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1042[07:05:31] <SerajewelKS> right
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1043[07:05:37] <SerajewelKS> so exactly what you have now except
/ would be btrfs
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1044[07:05:50] <SerajewelKS> then btrfs lets you create more
volumes within the same filesystem
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1049[07:06:57] <jadax> hey, is there some easy way to map unused
keys/key combinations to vol-up/vold-down events? I think I'm
on gnome
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1050[07:07:05] <jadax> debian 9.2
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1051[07:07:25] <jadax> I used to have keyboard with these buttons
built-in and it worked out of the box
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1052[07:07:31] <jadax> but not anymore
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1057[07:09:45] <jadax> I found it in settings!
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1059[07:10:07] <jadax> mapped ctrl+F10 as vol down, ctrl+F11 as
mute, ctrl+F12 as vol up
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1060[07:10:07] <GumShoe> @SerajwelkS hope #Debian is logged so I
can check this again tomorrow...
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1062[07:10:23] <GumShoe> @SerajwelkS do you have a twitter
handle?
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1074[07:25:41] <GumShoe> @SerajewelkS Check it out! booted. Raid
is up UU and I installed grub on /dev/sdb. You were very generous
with your time tonight. Much appreicated
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1076[07:29:34] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: nice! glad to hear
it's working. twitter is @cdhowie
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1077[07:29:40] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: you have one final task.
where is sda1 mounted?
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1078[07:29:46] <SerajewelKS> i would assume /boot/efi?
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1079[07:29:52] <SerajewelKS> ah, yes i see it
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1081[07:29:58] <karlpinc> GumShoe: In the FYI catageory, people
here prefer paste sites that are text based, not images. Unless
there's something graphical that needs to be communicated. For
one thing you can't cut-and-paste from images.
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1082[07:30:20] <karlpinc> !paste
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1083[07:30:20] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use for text:
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1084[07:30:42] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: since we don't have
raid for sda1, you need to copy it. so: umount /boot/efi &&
dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sdb1 && mount /boot/efi
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1085[07:31:00] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: you should also fdisk
/dev/sdb and change the partition of type of sdb1 to match sda1.
after this you should be able to boot from either disk.
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1086[07:31:23] <SerajewelKS> karlpinc: for much of the
conversation he was in the installer
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1087[07:31:32] <GumShoe> I have fpaste and cpaste generally but
don't know how to use them with the screens. Hmm actually there
is the screenshot button I could have rcp'ed that to one of my
other servers
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1088[07:31:38] <SerajewelKS> also in graphical mode
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1090[07:32:05] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: apt install pastebinit
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1092[07:32:29] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: then you can pipe stuff,
like: (mount; df -h) | pastebinit
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1093[07:33:40] <karlpinc> SerajewelKS: I don't have uefi in
my brain. It won't raid1?
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1095[07:33:57] <GumShoe> o.k. but a lot of work to get those
installed when in the installer. I haven't been able to use USB
while in the installer...
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1097[07:34:19] <SerajewelKS> karlpinc: the EFI system partition
must be FAT. so you _can_ raid it, but you must use 0.9 metadata so
the superblock is at the end instead of the beginning. otherwise the
UEFI system won't detect it as valid FAT.
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1098[07:34:22] <GumShoe> @SerajewelkS Did you see that I
installed grub on /ddv/sdb ?
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1100[07:34:34] <SerajewelKS> and the installer doesn't do
0.90 metadata
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1102[07:34:40] <SerajewelKS> so we dick around on the
command-line or we do this
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1103[07:34:47] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: did you mount /dev/sdb1 on
/boot/efi first?
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1104[07:35:05] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: if not then it didn't
accomplish anything. :)
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1105[07:35:20] <GumShoe> nope. Well it didn't error! :-)
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1106[07:35:23] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: if you want, we can set up
a proper dmraid 0.9 raid1 for the ESP now that we have a booted
system
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1107[07:35:29] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: yup but booting from sdb
won't work :)
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1108[07:35:49] <SerajewelKS> the EPS doesn't exist on that
disk yet, that's what the dd line would do. but you have to
manually keep that in sync.
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1109[07:36:18] <karlpinc> SerajewelKS: What messes around in the
EFI partition, grub?
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1110[07:36:39] <SerajewelKS> karlpinc: grub-install will put the
grub image there, which is where the motherboard UEFI system will
read it
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1112[07:37:07] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: if you want to set up raid
for that, i can walk you through that. it's pretty simple.
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1114[07:37:40] <karlpinc> GumShoe: If you raid1 them you
won't forget to keep them in sync when grub updates something.
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1116[07:38:01] <SerajewelKS> hmm, 1.0 metadata is also at the end
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1117[07:38:10] <SerajewelKS> 0.9 and 1.0 are at the end, 1.1 and
1.2 are at the start
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1121[07:39:37] <SerajewelKS> apparently the ESP does have to be
marked bootable
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1122[07:39:44] <SerajewelKS> i didn't think GPT had that
concept. TIL.
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1125[07:40:20] <whislock> It really doesn't. As long as it
has the correct partition type, the "bootable" status is
implicit.
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1126[07:40:49] <SerajewelKS> karlpinc: hmm i wonder if using raid
for the ESP is even a good idea. i was doing some research on this,
and the motherboard UEFI could write some data to the ESP, which
would desync the array.
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1127[07:40:53] <whislock> Specifically, any partition with the
correct type GUID is assumed to be bootable.
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1128[07:41:04] <SerajewelKS> if you use a UEFI boot manager
that's not aware of the raid, you will desync it as well
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1129[07:41:43] <SerajewelKS> perhaps a better idea would be to
mount sdb1 at /boot/efi2 and rsync them when running grub-install
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1130[07:41:53] <GumShoe> what's the debian fpaste called?
apt-get install ?????
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1135[07:45:27] <karlpinc> !pastebinit
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1136[07:45:27] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a
<pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude
install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste
the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg 2>&1 |
pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>,
<nopaste>.
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1137[07:47:45] <GumShoe> @SerajewelkS Sure if you want to spend
the time I'd like to properly configured /dev/sdb for boot.
Here is df -h and df /devv/sdb
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1139[07:48:24] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: okay so you have two
options
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1141[07:49:27] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: (1) you can put them in a
specially-crafted raid1, which will keep all linux-side changes in
sync. however, this can be dangerous in that the motherboard UEFI
system may choose to write data to the ESP. if it does so, it will
only write to one or the other, not both. this will desync the array
and linux won't notice until sometime later when it will notice
the corruption, panic, and
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1142[07:49:33] <SerajewelKS> remount /boot/efi read-only.
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1143[07:49:39] <SerajewelKS> at which point you would have to
reformat it and re-run grub-install
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1146[07:50:00] <GumShoe> So maybe I can make this my production
server. I assume I can shrink the huge / LVM logical volume. Then I
could create some mounts more to my liking.... Rather than reinstall
it all tomorrow.
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1147[07:50:02] <SerajewelKS> (2) you can format sdb1 and mount it
at /boot/efi2 or something, and rsync the contents of efi to efi2
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1148[07:50:15] <SerajewelKS> which you would need to do any time
you reinstall grub (which will likely be rarely, if ever)
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1149[07:50:37] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: you can shrink / but not
while it is mounted. you could boot the installer CD and shrink it
from the command line though.
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1151[07:52:14] <GumShoe> How would I do that? Through the
installer or the live cd?
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1153[07:52:36] <GumShoe> I don't remember seing a shrink
option in the installer.
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1154[07:52:51] <SerajewelKS> either. it's not part of the
GUI. you have to switch to a shell and run it from the command line.
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1155[07:53:24] <SerajewelKS> something like: lvreduce --resizefs
-L 1TB /dev/mapper/debbie-root
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1157[07:53:31] <SerajewelKS> this would shrink the volume to 1TB
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1158[07:53:51] <SerajewelKS> the --resizefs is important; that
will shrink the ext4 volume to 1TB before truncating the logical
volume. if you don't do that you'll hose the filesystem.
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1160[07:54:34] <GumShoe> r we talking about the physical LVM or
the logical / ?
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1161[07:54:41] <SerajewelKS> the logical /
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1162[07:54:51] <SerajewelKS> so after doing that you'll have
3TB of free space in the volume group
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1163[07:55:06] <SerajewelKS> then you can use lvcreate to create
some more logical volumes of whatever size you want
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1165[07:56:01] <karlpinc> Shrinking a lv really safest to do in 2
steps. First use something like resize2fs to shrink the fs, then use
lvreduce to shrink the lv.
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1166[07:56:03] <GumShoe> O.K. more to read / learn. But
you've got me as an LVM fan now...
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1167[07:56:43] <SerajewelKS> karlpinc: if lvm doesn't know
how to shrink the filesystem, --resizefs will result in an error.
it's safe to do.
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1168[07:57:02] <SerajewelKS> if you don't specify --resizefs
then lvm will give you a warning that you have to confirm to proceed
(without --force)
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1169[07:57:21] <karlpinc> Note also that copying filesystem
pieces to different volumes is best done in single user mode.
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1170[07:57:39] <SerajewelKS> --resizefs does all of the usual
steps: fsck, resize2fs, truncate lvm, resize2fs
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1172[07:58:06] <SerajewelKS> karlpinc: i'd even go so far as
to do it from the installer
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1173[07:58:14] <SerajewelKS> since we have downtime anyway, may
as well do it outside of the system
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1174[07:58:21] <karlpinc> SerajewelKS: Sure.
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1175[07:58:33] <karlpinc> (rescue mode)
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1176[07:58:43] <SerajewelKS> though doing it that way should be
fine, too
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1177[07:59:43] <SerajewelKS> whislock: i did some research on the
bootable flag / partition type and learned something interesting.
not only does the partition not have to be bootable, it doesn't
even have to have the correct partition type.
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1178[08:00:02] <SerajewelKS> whislock: most UEFI firmware will
look for a valid FAT filesystem containing the correct files and use
it, regardless of flags/type
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1180[08:00:26] <whislock> Generally, yes. By spec, it should have
the correct GUID set, but... You know how motherboard manufacturers
are.
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1182[08:00:33] <SerajewelKS> so the recommendation for raid1 ESP
is to set the type to "linux RAID" so that tools
don't accidentally use it as a raw FAT and desync the array
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1184[08:00:51] <SerajewelKS> this all confirms my decision to
stick with BIOS boot :)
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1186[08:01:51] <whislock> In practice, UEFI implemenations look
for the first FAT32 filesystem they can find with
/EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI in it, or whatever target exists in efivars.
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1187[08:02:11] <whislock> Implementations, rather.
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1188[08:02:45] <SerajewelKS> if i was going to raid1 my ESP i
would probably force a check/repair every boot
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1190[08:03:25] <whislock> I just stick with BIOS boot for Linux
on software RAID, myself.
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1191[08:03:36] <SerajewelKS> assuming that check/repair uses one
disk as the reference, that should be safe
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1193[08:03:46] <SerajewelKS> well, yes. i do. i meant if i had no
choice but to use UEFI.
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1197[08:05:13] <GumShoe> @SerajewelkS I'm still a bit foggy
why you can use BIOS boot with your > 2tb drives.... ?
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1198[08:05:41] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: GPT with BIOS boot just
requires an additional "BIOS boot partition"
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1199[08:06:00] <SerajewelKS> which is where the real grub payload
gets stored
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1201[08:06:23] <SerajewelKS> it only needs to be a few tens of
KBs, i think. mine is 1MB. i have one on each disk.
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1204[08:07:16] <SerajewelKS> if you want to switch to BIOS boot
you can without reinstalling the system. you just have to change it
in the bios, boot into the installer, fdisk both disks and change
the partition type to the "BIOS boot partition" type, then
grub-install on both disks
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1205[08:07:24] <SerajewelKS> then a reboot should put you back in
your system
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1207[08:08:48] <SerajewelKS> though... you need to chroot before
running grub-install. and before that you need to install grub-pc
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1214[08:11:08] <hsab> some serious shit and updates on chiness
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1221[08:16:56] <GumShoe> Doh! there is /dev/mapper/debbie-root
but will I have access to lvreduce? Guess I'll just have to
try...
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1224[08:17:36] <GumShoe> @SerajewelkS are you still up for
walking me through option to get /dev/sdb booting?
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1225[08:18:09] <karlpinc> GumShoe: The other thing to do is to
setup smartmontools to monitor drive health.
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1227[08:19:18] <GumShoe> On my current server I nave nagios setup
to monitor raid on my home server among other services at home and
the 'net at large..
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1229[08:20:13] <karlpinc> hsab: Got a link that's not video?
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1231[08:20:31] <karlpinc> GumShoe: Does it check the smart status
of the drives?
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1233[08:20:53] <GumShoe> It just looks at UU / _U ...
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1234[08:21:08] <karlpinc> GumShoe: ?
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1235[08:21:22] <GumShoe> in /proc/mdstat
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1236[08:21:52] <karlpinc> GumShoe: Smart is diagnostic software
on the drives themselves. It predicts failure before it happens.
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1238[08:22:17] <GumShoe> There is probably a plugin for that, but
I haven't configured it.
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1240[08:23:48] <hsab> karlpinc will post it in my github pretty
soon .... but i may get banned for this script
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1251[08:28:57] <karlpinc> GumShoe: See also:
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1255[08:30:04] <GumShoe> FWIW I've messed around with
gnuplot a bit....
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1258[08:32:25] <GumShoe> @karlpinc Might have to put netdata on
the ToDo list
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1264[08:33:48] <karlpinc> GumShoe: Following random instructions
on the internet is not a path to long-term stability. Get help here
first, where we will tell you to use backports, and if that does not
work get help from the upstream authors. Getting help from strangers
is a last resort.
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1266[08:33:56] <karlpinc> !don't break debian
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1267[08:33:56] <dpkg> i heard dont break debian is
replaced-url
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1268[08:34:28] <GumShoe> Just wanted a quick overview of what it
could do :-)
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1269[08:34:42] <GumShoe> all I saw on another link was ASCII
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1292[08:46:26] <daggs1> Greetings, is there a way to add a pre up
script to /etc/network/interfaces in a way that if the script
returns 0 the iface will be inited and else it will not?
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1295[08:47:20] <whislock> man 5 interfaces, 'pre-up'
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1300[08:48:07] <daggs1> whislock: will it prevent the iface to be
inited if the script fails? also can I pass it the iface name or mac
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1301[08:48:08] <daggs1> ?
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1304[08:49:38] <whislock> Did you read the manpage?
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1310[08:53:27] <daggs1> whislock: yeah, will look again I've
must missed something, thanks
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1311[08:53:45] <whislock> Read the section on pre-up. It answers
all of your questions.
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1314[08:54:24] <whislock> As for passing arguments, $IFACE gets
expanded to the interface name, so you could specify that as an
argument.
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1315[08:54:31] <whislock> daggs1: What are you trying to do,
though, specifically?
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1318[08:57:27] <daggs1> whislock: I have a debian install with
two vms, it creates 3 vnics, on one for direct network between the
router vm and the host and the other two are virtual switch and
connection between vm2 and the virtual switch that is connected to
router vm, problem is, sometimes the vnet get mixed up resulting in
the host trying to request ip for the wrong vnet
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1319[08:58:09] <whislock> Huh, interesting.
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1320[08:58:33] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: i have just a few minutes
to help. if you are available during business hours EST tomorrow,
that's when i'll be at work at my computer.
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1367[09:33:14] <no_gravity> Hmm...
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1368[09:33:18] <no_gravity> Good Morning
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1370[09:33:46] <no_gravity> When an application is started, its
binary and all of its dependencies are loaded into memory?
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1371[09:34:14] <no_gravity> So when I run 'apt-upgrade'
it will not collide with the running application even if
dependencies are updated?
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1372[09:34:42] <n4dir> i sure never ran in such problems while
upgrading running applications.
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1373[09:35:08] <n4dir> well: or i did run in it, but didn't
realize ? :-)
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1377[09:37:08] <BenNZ> no_gravity: depends on the program and the
depends
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1380[09:38:13] <no_gravity> BenNZ: Well, let's put it this
way: Does it make sense to quit all applications before running apt
upgrade?
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1382[09:40:04] <BenNZ> no_gravity: depends on whats being updated
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1384[09:40:58] <BenNZ> no_gravity: things like the kernel , gpu
drivers headers not i wouldnt , something like libgl being removed ,
probably
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1385[09:41:47] <no_gravity> BenNZ: What could go wrong if you
keep everything running while apt upgrade?
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1386[09:42:24] <BenNZ> no_gravity: the only real problem ive had
was the program seg faulted because it couldnt use a resource which
no longer existed
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1388[09:42:46] <no_gravity> BenNZ: A resource?
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1390[09:43:21] <BenNZ> no_gravity: as in a shared library or
other such resource
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1392[09:45:19] <no_gravity> BenNZ: Isn't the library already
in memory when the program runs?
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1394[09:45:59] <BenNZ> no_gravity: depends when the resource is
called
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1395[09:46:18] <no_gravity> BenNZ: Libraries get loaded into
memory when they are used, not when the application starts?
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1397[09:48:12] <BenNZ> no_gravity: should do , however they might
not , again it depends on the program and the resource
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1399[09:48:53] <no_gravity> Funky
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1451[10:37:29] <thms> I just done a server migration using rsync
/ dest. I modified fstab. When I start the VM, after starting the
services, I get no login prompt. Where should I be looking ?
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1462[10:44:31] <petn-randall> thms: I'd boot the system with
a rescue image and look at the logs.
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1463[10:44:50] <petn-randall> thms: I'm actually surprised
that you only need to edit /etc/fstab, I'd imagine that
there's a lot more to fix.
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1467[10:45:53] <n4dir> i don't recall having to do much more
when using rsync for such.
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1468[10:46:14] <bites> grub, probably.
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1470[10:48:32] <petn-randall> udev usually also needs to get
fixed, and /etc/network/interfaces.
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1472[10:48:57] <petn-randall> If swap is also used for hibernate,
that als needs to be adopted, as the UUIDs changed.
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1476[10:53:39] <AquaL1te> hi. i'm using a different debian
version (raspbian) which uses /etc/network/interfaces (not sure if
vanilla debian versions use something else). whenever i reload my
networking.service unit, it fails. no warning about why, it just
fails. however, it does set the addresses. i know that debian also
(used) to use this config, that's why i also ask it here in the
hope a guru can see what i'm doing wrong:
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1477[10:53:45] <AquaL1te>
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1482[10:57:43] <jelly> AquaL1te: on debian, restarting that
service does not bring down and up all the interfaces. You'd
use "ifdown -a" and "ifup -a" for that.
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1485[10:58:04] <jelly> but you're not on Debian and I have
no idea if raspbian has changed things
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1486[10:58:08] <jelly> !raspbian
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1487[10:58:08] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on
Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian
is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use
#raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.
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1488[10:58:55] <Habbie> jelly, yes, raspbian has changed things
in this area
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1489[10:59:23] <Habbie> jelly, also it might make sense to add
#raspberrypi to that bot info thing
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1513[11:16:25] <vlt> Hello.
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1515[11:16:54] <Habbie> when in doubt, reboot :)
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1521[11:18:24] <petn-randall> vlt: Upon installation of the
update the service should get restarted, which is enough to fix the
issue.
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1525[11:18:54] <vlt> petn-randall: Thanks, I'll try to
verify that it has been restarted. It's still pid 1, though.
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1526[11:19:04] <petn-randall> vlt: You can verify this with
`systemctl status systemd-journald`
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1527[11:19:18] <petn-randall> vlt: systemd-journald is *not*
PID1.
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1530[11:20:21] <vlt> petn-randall: Ah, to me it wasn't clear
that it's systemd-journald.
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1533[11:22:08] <vlt> I updated 10 minutes ago. `systemctl status
systemd-journald` tells me it's running since 2018-01-11.
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1534[11:22:09] <petn-randall> vlt: `systemctl | grep systemd`
will show you many systemd-related services that are not PID1.
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1535[11:22:21] <petn-randall> vlt: Then you might need to restart
manually.
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1536[11:22:32] <petn-randall> Now that I think of it,
"needrestart" did that for me.
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1538[11:23:01] <jelly> vlt: if you have services running for more
than a year, you also have an old and buggy kernel running
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1539[11:23:27] <jelly> probably should have rebooted more than
once in the meantime
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1540[11:23:47] <vlt> jelly: Sorry, typo. It's actually
2019-01-11
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1633[12:27:54] <oo_miguel> I can not get wake on lan workin on my
old acer notebook. any suggestions how to troubleshoot it?
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1638[12:29:37] <petn-randall> oo_miguel: Does it even support it?
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1639[12:30:06] <oo_miguel> the spec. says the ethernet card ist
wake-on-lan-ready (?)..
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1640[12:30:14] <oo_miguel> and I can set the mode to
"g" via ethtool
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1643[12:30:39] <oo_miguel> Supports Wake-on: pg , and I set it to
g
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1644[12:31:20] <oo_miguel> It is a Qualcomm Atheros AR8131
running on the "atl1c" module
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1646[12:31:43] <petn-randall> oo_miguel: Ah, good. And then
you're putting it into suspend, and trying to WoL it?
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1647[12:31:53] <blackflow> oo_miguel: is it enabled via bios too
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1650[12:32:13] <oo_miguel> petn-randall: First I shut it down
completely, but then I began to wonder if it only works from
"suspend"
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1655[12:32:51] <oo_miguel> blackflow: I did not find any settings
in the bios. (beside boot from lan or something, but this has
nothing to to with WOL I supppose, turned it on anyways)
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1657[12:33:18] <petn-randall> oo_miguel: I'd first check if
it works from suspend.
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1658[12:33:35] <oo_miguel> petn-randall: suspend via
"systemctl suspend"
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1663[12:34:08] <oo_miguel> or is there some other way to suspend
(I do not use it often on a daily basis)
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1664[12:34:12] <petn-randall> For example. Or suspend from your
DEs menu.
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1668[12:36:02] <AK_> someone invite me to #debian-next
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1669[12:36:24] <oo_miguel> I tried waking up via
"wakeonlan" and "etherwake" without success
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1670[12:36:45] <oo_miguel> what I noticed is that the light on
the network adapter goes off when I go into suspend
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1671[12:36:47] <oo_miguel> is that correct?
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1672[12:37:21] <AK_> oo_miguel: my machine was on when I was
slept last night, it auto suspended it even the lid wasn't
closed
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1673[12:37:42] <AK_> so by default
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1675[12:38:29] <petn-randall> oo_miguel: Seems like it's not
working as intended, then.
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1677[12:38:39] <petn-randall> !debian-next
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1678[12:38:39] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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1679[12:38:42] <petn-randall> AK_: ^^^
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1680[12:38:51] <oo_miguel> petn-randall: heh, yes :)
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1681[12:39:09] <oo_miguel> should the light stay on?
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1682[12:39:16] <petn-randall> oo_miguel: I think so, yes.
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1683[12:39:20] <AK_> oh
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1779[13:33:56] <linuxthefish> hey, how can I stop network manager
changing the resolv.conf file? I connect to different networks each
day, so configuring each network to manual DNS every time isn't
practical
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1780[13:34:12] <linuxthefish> a cron job to set the DNS to google
DNS is all I can think of...
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1781[13:34:57] <apollo13> cat
/etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
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1782[13:35:05] <apollo13> search for dns = … and replace
it with the plugin you want
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1785[13:36:28] <linuxthefish> apollo13 I looked in there, there
isn't a dns line :/
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1786[13:36:48] <linuxthefish> anyway I finally found why I
couldn't set the file read only, it was a symlink to somewhere
else
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1787[13:36:56] <apollo13> then add dns=none to the [main] section
there
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1789[13:37:08] <apollo13> yes it is a symlink to the reolvconf
file most likely
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1790[13:37:09] <linuxthefish> apollo13 will do thanks :)
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1791[13:37:11] <apollo13> or systemd-resolved
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1792[13:37:27] <linuxthefish> yeah, I removed the symlink and
chattr +i to stop anything else messing with it lol
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1798[13:41:32] <AquaL1te> is there an easy way to compare update
transactions? for example in fedora you can do `dnf history info
last` to see details of the last update. also dnf shows this info
during the output of an update. but with debian i seem to only see
that an update has occured, but nothing specific to check running
versions based on that. is that true?
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1805[13:45:48] <petn-randall> AquaL1te: What do you mean with
"but nothing specific to check running versions based on
that"?
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1806[13:46:00] <apollo13> linuxthefish: you obviously need to
restart nm or reboot after the change
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1807[13:47:19] <petn-randall> AquaL1te: I don't quite
understand what you're trying to achieve. If you're
looking for a transaction log, there's one at
/var/log/apt/history.log.
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1816[13:54:50] <AquaL1te> petn-randall: let's say you
upgrade application x to version 2.2, and it was 2.1. there is
nothing in the output or logs that indicates this upgrade path.
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1818[13:55:59] <AquaL1te> ah wait, now i see it. in the log
it's indicated. i'm used to something more readable. but
thanks! :)
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1894[14:36:11] <jken> Does anyone know of a way to determine if
grub is successfully installed on a disk in bash?
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1896[14:37:11] <diogenes_> jken, you could try: sudo update-grub
and if it finishes without any error then you can say it's
successfull
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1897[14:37:14] <jelly> jken: grub-pc (MBR) or grub-efi (UEFI)?
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1898[14:37:27] <greycat> s/in bash/without actually booting/
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1899[14:37:42] <jelly> diogenes_: that doesn't do much more
than update a config file
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1900[14:37:43] <jken> jelly, grub-efi
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1902[14:38:14] <jelly> jken: use efibootmgr to see if
there's a "debian" entry.
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1904[14:38:21] <diogenes_> jelly, yes but if it's not
installed correctly it might throw some errors
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1905[14:38:23] <jken> basically I have a bootable image that
writes another image out to disk, resizes some partitions, and
installs grub, and I want to add a healthcheck to ensure grub
installed correctly before rebooting
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1906[14:38:28] <jken> jelly, ill check it out, thanks
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disks (hdd, and my usb). Am I missing something obvious/
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1980[15:07:19] <bs0d> Hello
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1988[15:09:04] <bs0d> I've built an ncurses program named
HelloWorld. It runs as ./HelloWorld fine, but /bin/bash -e
./HelloWorld gives me HelloWorld: HelloWorld: cannot execute binary
file
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1989[15:09:25] <bs0d> I do not understand what is wrong. How can
I run my program by supplying it as an argument to bash?
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1990[15:09:40] <greycat> "Doc, it hurts when I bend my arm
this way!"
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1992[15:09:45] <Habbie> bash -c
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1993[15:09:52] <Habbie> bash -e tries to read it as a shell
script
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1994[15:10:00] <greycat> Why would you involve bash? Bash is a
shell. Your program is not a shell script.
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1995[15:10:05] <Habbie> that too
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1996[15:10:11] <greycat> Also, bash -e is idiotic.
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2000[15:10:47] <Habbie> oh yes, -e is 'exit on first
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2001[15:10:54] <greycat> Something close to that, yes.
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2003[15:12:21] <bs0d> looks like bash -c works. Thanks!
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2008[15:14:13] <greycat> You can lead a newbie to the answer but
you can't make it think.
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2011[15:14:33] <jelly> s/it/them/;
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2018[15:17:40] * petn-randall stares at greycat.
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2023[15:19:12] <greycat> See also /msg greybot b6
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2028[15:24:19] <Sonnenmann> haha, greybot :)
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2063[15:37:13] <jelly> does anyone know where /init in WSL
stretch image comes from?
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2072[15:39:04] <Habbie> jelly, i thought WSL images did not have
custom binaries
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2074[15:39:11] <Habbie> jelly, but, i never used WSL
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2076[15:40:27] <jelly> I thought as well until I saw a /init
unknown by dpkg
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2079[15:41:43] <petn-randall> It's not just a symlink?
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2081[15:42:19] <jelly> it's a binary
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2082[15:42:43] <jelly> and a regular file
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2089[15:44:52] <jelly> built with musl, suggests strings output
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2096[15:47:25] <jelly> and ubuntu 18.04 image has an /init with
matching size and md5sum
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2099[15:48:12] <Habbie> but, is it your PID 1?
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2100[15:48:24] <jelly> might be a masterpiece of reproducible
building, or it might be provided by not-Debian. And yes it's
pid 1
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2109[15:50:20] <aloo_shu> hey, I'm on a laptop with a bad
screen, trying to use an android tablet with an Xserver app instead.
Setting/exporting DISPLAY=<ipaddr>:<displayno>, then
starting a desktop session works like a charm, but: the tablet is
also becoming the input device. Would there be a similarly simple
way to set an environment variable that tells Xorg to use local
mouse & kbd ?
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2111[15:51:35] <jelly> aloo_shu: it's X server that
determines what are its inputs and outputs, you have to configure
that wherever X server is running
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2115[15:52:07] <jelly> not where your apps / DE is running
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2123[15:56:16] <aloo_shu> jelly: that would make it a lot more
complicated, needing to forward mouse and keyboard etc. . As I
understand it, X is involved in both sides, that is, w/o X
installed, the local linux wouldn't be able to connect to the
remote Xserver in the fist place
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2127[15:57:55] <jelly> then you do not understand it
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2129[15:58:34] <jelly> X clients can connect to a (local or
remote) X server. You do not have a local X server that can use
local input or output devices
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2132[15:59:31] <petn-randall> jelly: they just rejoined, you need
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2133[15:59:43] <jelly> aloo_shu: X clients can connect to a
(local or remote) X server. You do not have a local X server that
can use local input or output devices
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2162[16:12:16] <aloo_shu> gotta reiterate : [14:56]
<aloo_shu> jelly: that would make it a lot more complicated,
needing to forward mouse and keyboard etc. . As I understand it, X
is involved in both sides, that is, w/o X installed, the local linux
wouldn't be able to connect to the remote Xserver in the fist
place
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way that it's seen by RandR
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2201[16:33:15] <jelly> aloo_sigh RandR is an Xserver component,
running, ypou guessed it, inside the X server
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2204[16:34:33] <jelly> amusingly kdeconnect can pass input devs
in the opposite direction, from android to an X server on Linux
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2210[16:37:06] <project2501a> hey guys, i keep getting this
message every time i install a new daemon or service: "systemd
synchronizing state with sysv service script"
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2211[16:37:17] <project2501a> what's the point of sysv
compatibility? and how do i remove it?
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2215[16:39:06] <petn-randall> project2501a: The point is so you
can switch to sysv init without breaking your system.
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2216[16:39:18] <petn-randall> project2501a: Why do you want to
remove it?
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2217[16:39:57] <project2501a> ok, understood and i can see where
that may be needed. but i don't think i will ever go back to
plain init. how do i disable this message and/or the compatibility,
please?
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2218[16:40:07] <greycat> Well, for most people, the point is that
some services might not have systemd unit files written for them,
and so the init.d compatibility layer allows those services to
function.
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2236[16:47:03] <jelly> project2501a: which debian release do you
see this on?
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2238[16:47:14] <project2501a> jelly! <3 buster
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2242[16:48:15] <jelly> project2501a: you're in luck! You
have time to file a Priority: wishlist or minor bug report, and help
fixing it yourself!
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2243[16:48:21] <jelly> !reportbug
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2244[16:48:22] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the
Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See
replaced-url
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2245[16:48:24] <jelly> !debian-next
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2246[16:48:24] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2247[16:48:31] <project2501a> Hah!
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2248[16:48:35] <project2501a> Ok, will do!
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2250[16:49:06] <jelly> I could live with that message quieted but
doing its work
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2252[16:49:28] <project2501a> oh, absolutely. I just wish i had
the option to turn it on and off.
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2253[16:49:40] <project2501a> and also initialize sync by hand.
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2288[17:03:50] <SerajewelKS> what will dmraid do if there's
two devices in a raid1, an SSD and an HDD, regarding TRIM?
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2291[17:04:31] <SerajewelKS> will the array declare support for
it? what will it do to the HDD when a TRIM is requested?
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2294[17:05:39] <jhutchins_wk> SerajewelKS: It's my
understanding that recent SSD drives just present plain storage and
don't need trim management, they handle that internally.
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2296[17:06:22] <SerajewelKS> how do they know when a block is no
longer used, then?
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2300[17:07:03] <petn-randall> jhutchins_wk: That's news to
me.
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2301[17:07:04] <SerajewelKS> isn't the point to make that
block available for wear-leveling?
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2302[17:07:09] <jhutchins_wk> SerajewelKS: Normal filesystem
operations. I may be completely wrong.
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2304[17:07:38] <SerajewelKS> ... wouldn't that require the
SSD controller to understand the filesystem it contains?
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2305[17:07:48] <frostschutz> SerajewelKS, dmraid...? or mdraid?
md will just trim the SSD side of things
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2307[17:08:05] <jhutchins_wk> petn-randall: I have a feeling that
this is like the persistence of the rumor that lilo can't
handle large hard drives for more than a decade after the problem
was solved, or the rumors about sendmail long after it was secured.
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2308[17:08:12] <SerajewelKS> frostschutz: dmraid
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2309[17:08:25] <frostschutz> jhutchins_wk, SSDs will do wear
leveling even if you don't trim but if you want to tell the SSD
about free space, trim is pretty much it
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2310[17:08:27] <SerajewelKS> frostschutz: there is no such thing
as mdraid. you may be thinking of mdadm, the tool used to control
dmraid.
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2315[17:10:09] <frostschutz> SerajewelKS, they are different
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2316[17:10:44] <SerajewelKS> frostschutz: "mdraid"
doesn't seem to be a used term on google except by people who
mean "dmraid" unless i am missing something.
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2318[17:11:15] <SerajewelKS> perhaps one has fallen out of favor
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2348[17:25:58] <frostschutz> SerajewelKS, well in userspace you
have 'mdadm' and then you have 'dmraid' as
utilities. mdadm does not control dmraid, it's a separate
device /dev/md* /proc/mdstat, not /dev/dm-x dmsetup ... so it's
a bit different. there is a dm-raid1 driver that does not share code
with md (sometimes also called dm mirror) and a dm-raid driver that
does share code with md but that doesn't make it quite the same
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2349[17:25:58] <frostschutz> regardless...
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2356[17:27:57] <frostschutz> anyhow, in Linux you'd usually
go with mdadm, and that works fine with raid1 SSD + HDD. set the HDD
to write mostly for best reading performance
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2357[17:28:13] <shibboleth> ##linux invite-only?
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2358[17:28:26] <M6HZ> Hello
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2359[17:28:31] <petn-randall> hi M6HZ
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2361[17:30:09] <M6HZ> I encountered a bug with the latest
"stable" version of xorg with an uptodate debian. xorg
will crash if I try to log to another TTY and then disconnect from
this TTY (ctrl + d)
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2362[17:30:32] <M6HZ> Am I the only one to who this problem
happens ?
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2363[17:31:37] <jhutchins_wk> M6HZ: What happens if you type exit
instead of Ctrl-D?
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2366[17:31:59] <M6HZ> These two things normally does the same
thing
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2368[17:32:19] <petn-randall> M6HZ: What are the specs for this
machine? Have you checked the X11 logs yet?
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2369[17:32:20] <M6HZ> aka exit the shell, and go back to logind
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2370[17:32:40] <M6HZ> Yes, I did but it's cryptic to me
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2372[17:33:40] <afidegnum> hello, is there a utility to test IMAP
servers?
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2373[17:33:43] <afidegnum> in debian
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2376[17:34:39] <petn-randall> afidegnum: Depends what you
actually want to test.
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2377[17:34:42] <jelly> like a stress test or functionality test
or what?
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2378[17:35:50] <jelly> shibboleth: ##linux has tor connections
banned right now, you're probably hitting that
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2379[17:36:07] <jelly> shibboleth: I guess you can ask about it
in ##linux-ops ?
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2380[17:36:27] <afidegnum> i want to test the functionality, yes,
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2381[17:36:38] <shibboleth> k
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2382[17:36:41] <shibboleth> thanks
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2383[17:36:55] <afidegnum> changed some of the records and i want
to test imap after updating my settings
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2385[17:38:43] <petn-randall> shibboleth:
replaced-url
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2390[17:40:13] <Zgrokl> hello looking for a raid software with
lvm, but i'm keep failling back on mdraid
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2391[17:40:23] <Zgrokl> is lvm support raid ?
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2393[17:40:45] <jhutchins_wk> afidegnum: I'd just run a
client against it.
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2394[17:41:05] <jhutchins_wk> Zgrokl: Yes. Nothing special, lvm
just treats the array as a drive.
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2395[17:41:07] <jelly> Zgrokl: yes, but in limited ways and you
probably want to use md raid and lvm on top
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2396[17:41:37] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: lvm has raid1 of its own,
and some other stuff
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2398[17:41:49] <Zgrokl> jelly, why mr raid and lvm on top ?
It's an old things not supported no ?
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2400[17:42:16] <Zgrokl> it's not better to just use plain
lvm raid ?
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2401[17:42:18] <jelly> Zgrokl: both md raid and lvm2 are old, but
fully supported
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2402[17:42:38] <M6HZ> Is anybody able to reproduce the issue I
encounter with xorg by switching to a TTY login to it, and exiting
(ctrl - d ) this TTY to get back to xorg ?
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2404[17:43:18] <jelly> Zgrokl: if you figure out how to replace
members and look at rebuild process and manage bad blocks with
lvm's raid features, let me know
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2406[17:43:32] <Habbie> jelly, are bad blocks still a thing?
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2407[17:43:41] <jelly> Habbie: do you have SATA disks?
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2408[17:43:48] <Habbie> jelly, no
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2410[17:43:57] <jelly> the answer is still yes ;-)
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2411[17:44:01] <Habbie> oh :)
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2412[17:44:23] <jelly> people persist in uing spinning rust for
some reason
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2414[17:44:36] <Habbie> oh wait, i have four :)
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2415[17:44:38] <Zgrokl> jelly, so for you lvm on top of md raid
is better ?
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2417[17:44:45] <Habbie> i would also do lvm on top of md
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2418[17:44:49] <jelly> Zgrokl: yes, absolutely
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2423[17:45:09] <whislock> I don't use LVM raid. LVM on md
for me as well.
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2425[17:45:25] <jelly> Zgrokl: maybe you can look into zfs, or
btrfs if you feel adventurous
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2426[17:45:35] <Zgrokl> interesting i taugh md raid was not used
any more
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2427[17:45:46] <jelly> au contraire
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2428[17:45:54] <Zgrokl> i'm looking for stability not
feature
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2430[17:46:12] <jelly> it's a mature subsystem, but still
gets new features now and then
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2449[17:53:25] <Ede|Popede> dammit. where is this "log to
file" in xterm's menu. my finger hurts from pressing the
fucking wheel and can't find it
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2450[17:53:46] <M6HZ> Is anybody able to reproduce the issue I
encounter with xorg by switching to a TTY login to it, and exiting
(ctrl - d ) this TTY to get back to xorg ?
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2453[17:54:08] <Ede|Popede> or as an alternative, are there tools
to do things from the menus with commands?
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2454[17:54:09] <greycat> M6HZ: don't just repeat your
question verbatim. Refine it. Give us something to go on, like
stating what the ISSUE IS.
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2455[17:54:32] <M6HZ> greycat: I already did it. What isn't
clear enough ?
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2456[17:54:35] <greycat> Tell us what you're doing, what
version of Debian you're on, what you're seeing as a
result, and what you expected.
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2459[17:54:57] <greycat> Nothing you said was clear at all except
that you're using X (don't know how you started it) and
you're switching VTs at some point.
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2460[17:55:02] <M6HZ> greycat: That's not my question,
I'm asking : Are you able to reproduce the issue ?
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2461[17:55:06] <greycat> WHATR
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2462[17:55:07] <greycat> ISSUE
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2465[17:56:35] <Phizzy> Debian Stable is well stable!
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2466[17:57:02] <M6HZ> Leads to xorg crashing: step to reproduce
on an uptodate debian OS. 1 - startx 2 - ctrl - alt - 2 (new TTY) 3
- login this TTY 4 - leave this TTY (ctrl - 2) 5 - Is xorg still
working ?
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2467[17:57:08] <M6HZ> greycat: clear enough now ?
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2468[17:58:07] <Zgrokl> also if i have 64gb of ram, is it good to
have a swap of the same size ?
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2469[17:58:11] <Zgrokl> or 8 gb will do ?
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2470[17:58:13] <greycat> Tested on Debian 9. Ctrl-Alt-F2, login
as wooledg, Ctrl-Alt-F1. I am still here.
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2471[17:58:25] <M6HZ> alright
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2472[17:58:29] <M6HZ> thank you
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2480[18:00:31] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: What if you log out of F2
by pressing Ctrl-D?
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2482[18:00:59] <greycat> Tried that also. Logging out gives me a
new login prompt on tty2, and then I came back here to tty1/X11
again.
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2489[18:03:58] <nkuttler> M6HZ: which graphics card/driver?
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2492[18:04:17] <nkuttler> iirc i've had such things happen
many many years ago with ati cards in laptops..
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2494[18:04:40] <greycat> X crashing upon switching VTs is a
potential symptom of a bad nvidia driver, IIRC
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2495[18:05:12] <nkuttler> a bad graphics driver could do this,
yes
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2499[18:06:11] <M6HZ> nkuttler: I have an intel graphic chipset
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2502[18:06:27] <greycat> Those are usually quite stable, unless
it's bleeding-edge new.
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2503[18:06:52] <greycat> Did you install the non-free firmware
for it (unless it's a very old one that didn't need that)?
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2504[18:06:58] <M6HZ> no
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2506[18:07:09] <greycat> I'd start with: dmesg | grep -i
firmware
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2507[18:07:23] <greycat> If that shows any missing firmware
filenames, you can try installing them.
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2508[18:08:09] <aloo_shu> I might be re-asking, my connection is
shit. Problem: I want o run a remote X session, but keep the
mouse&kbd input on the machine the desktop session is running
on, not the one with the remote display server. Any suggestions how
to -tell the local Xorg my wishes, or -add the remote Xserver as an
output that RandR can see?
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2518[18:13:06] <jelly> aloo_shu: are you actually running a local
X server or not?
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2520[18:13:45] <aloo_shu> in my case, yes, I have both
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2523[18:14:33] <jelly> aloo_shu: you might try x2x
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2526[18:14:40] <jelly> ,i x2x
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2527[18:14:42] <judd> Package x2x (x11, optional) in
stretch/amd64: Link two X displays together, simulating a
multiheaded display. Version: 1.30-3; Size: 27.6k; Installed: 69k;
Homepage:
replaced-url
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2528[18:15:13] <jelly> it's an old piece of software, I have
no idea how well it works
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2530[18:16:01] <frostschutz> while lvm supports raid, i prefer
mdadm - much clearer, easier to handle, ymmv
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2532[18:16:19] <frostschutz> .oO(aaand I'm reading old stuff
cause I wasn't scrolled down, ignore me)
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2542[18:19:08] <aloo_shu> jelly: thx, that's looking
promising :)
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2543[18:19:15] <aloo_shu> ,v x2x
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2544[18:19:16] <judd> Package: x2x on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.27.svn.20060501-4; jessie: 1.30-2; stretch: 1.30-3; buster:
1.30-7; sid: 1.30-7
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2552[18:22:35] <GumShoe> Are there other sources of #debian logs
than
replaced-url
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2554[18:22:56] <GumShoe> #debian irc logs that is...
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2556[18:23:05] <petn-randall> !irc logs
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2557[18:23:05] <dpkg> irclog is, like, #debian on
<freenode> is logged at
replaced-url
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2558[18:23:10] <petn-randall> GumShoe: ^^^
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2560[18:23:29] <aloo_shu> I'll tell you the results another
day, jelly - solar household, limited energy
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2562[18:23:46] * jelly waves
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2569[18:24:48] <aloo_shu> but looks like a solution to me, I
wouldn't mind downgrading something to make it work
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2576[18:26:23] <wwilliam> how do I install ctime in sarge?
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2577[18:26:24] <wwilliam> thanks
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2580[18:27:07] <jelly> wwilliam: what is "ctime"?
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2581[18:27:31] <wwilliam> !ctime
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2582[18:27:31] <dpkg> UNIX does *not* store the creation time of
files. Anywhere. You see that "ctime" field in the stat
structure? It's not "creation time". It's inode
(metadata) change time. It gets updated when you chmod the file,
etc. NEWSFLASH: ext4 stores creation times after all, ask me about
<crtime>.
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2584[18:27:42] <wwilliam> whatever that means
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2585[18:27:51] <wwilliam> im not a good source to ask stuff
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2586[18:27:59] <wwilliam> I am quite stupid and slow
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2587[18:27:59] <xand> > sarge
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2588[18:28:02] <xand> lol
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2589[18:28:08] <SerajewelKS> !sarge
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2590[18:28:09] <dpkg> Sarge is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux
3.1, released June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on
2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should
upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from
the mirrors; ask me about <sarge sources.list>,
<sarge-backports>. Get old sarge ISOs here:
replaced-url
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2591[18:28:16] <SerajewelKS> jeebus
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2593[18:28:40] <AK> !mpd
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2594[18:28:40] <dpkg> Music Player Daemon (mpd) is a server
allowing remote access for audio file/stream playback and playlist
management. Prior to version 0.17-1, Debian's mpd package did
not use <dmix> by default (Debian bug #568588).
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2595[18:29:04] <jelly> wwilliam: you question as it is does not
make a lot of sense, best ask whoever knows the details to come ask
themselves
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2596[18:29:20] <GumShoe> Goodmorning @SerajewelkS I'm just
trying to find our conversation late last night in irc #debian
logs...
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2598[18:30:05] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: hey, how's it going?
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2600[18:30:11] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: you caught me just as
i'm heading out to get lunch
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2603[18:30:30] <jelly> wwilliam: if you've been told to ask
exactly that, it's somewhat possible someone was making a
practical joke
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2604[18:30:35] <AK> I can't update music in mpd
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2605[18:30:50] <GumShoe> I'm fine. maybe yak at ya later.
I'm trying to find last nights conversation in archived channel
logs...
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2606[18:31:06] <wwilliam> sorry stretch
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2607[18:31:11] <wwilliam> im on stretch
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2608[18:31:11] <GumShoe> Had enough and good sleep.... :-)
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2610[18:31:36] <wwilliam> apt-cache policy shows many results for
ctime
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2611[18:31:45] <wwilliam> dont know which one to install
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2613[18:32:01] <jelly> wwilliam: it still does not make sense
unless you can point out a different meaning for "ctime"
than the usual
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2616[18:32:43] <jelly> wwilliam: it's not a piece of
software, it's one of three timestamps present on files on unix
or POSIX-like filesystems
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2618[18:32:57] <wwilliam> ok
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2619[18:33:56] <wwilliam> I get command not found
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2621[18:34:02] <wwilliam> when doing ctime
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2622[18:34:16] <FinalX> like jelly said, it's not a piece of
software
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2623[18:34:17] <jelly> right, because it's not a command.
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2624[18:34:23] <jelly> !goal
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2625[18:34:23] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the
solution is.
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2626[18:34:41] <wwilliam> I need to list files created today only
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2627[18:34:42] <jelly> wwilliam: does this have anything to do
with the line of questions you're doing in #bash ?
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2628[18:34:47] <wwilliam> Yes
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2629[18:34:49] <wwilliam> jelly:
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2632[18:35:33] <jelly> wwilliam: there's no way to find out
creation time on Linux in general.
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2633[18:36:04] <jelly> people usually look at mtime (modification
time) timestamp instead
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2634[18:36:09] <wwilliam> i see Thank you all
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2636[18:36:36] <jelly> (ctime is not creation time)
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2644[18:38:54] <jelly> wwilliam: if you have shell access you can
use "find" command to figure out which files have a
modification time newer than local midnight
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2649[18:40:08] <jelly> wwilliam: eg. find . -daystart -mtime -1
-ls
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2650[18:40:12] <wwilliam> Ok jelly htanks
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2651[18:40:22] <wwilliam> checking
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2652[18:40:44] <wwilliam> nice just what i need it thanks jelly
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2653[18:41:14] <jelly> !using find
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2654[18:41:14] <dpkg> using find is probably
replaced-url
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2655[18:41:31] <xdruppi_> why do "recommended" packages
exist? i mean aren't they kind of like suggested ones?, is it
possible to configure apt to not install recommended by default?
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2667[18:45:23] <jelly> !recommended
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2668[18:45:29] <jelly> !recommends
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2669[18:45:36] <jelly> bah
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2671[18:46:37] <jelly> dpkg, apt recommends
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2672[18:46:37] <dpkg> Packages required in all but unusual cases
(that is, "breakable" dependencies) are called
"recommended" packages. By not installing these packages,
you miss the standard functionality they provide. To disable once,
"aptitude -R install packagename" or "apt-get
--no-install-recommends install packagename". To disable
permanently, echo "APT::Install-Recommends no;" >
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/no-recommends. See <why recommends>.
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2673[18:46:58] <jelly> !why recommends
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2675[18:46:58] <dpkg> From Debian 5.0 "Lenny" onwards,
apt-get and aptitude both install "Recommended" packages
by default. From <policy> section 7.2, Recommends,
"declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The
Recommends field should list packages that would be found together
with this one in all but unusual installations." You're
not that unusual, trust us. By not installing
"recommended" packages you will be missing functionality.
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2680[18:47:32] <jelly> start an install-recommends war
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2681[18:47:48] <jelly> oops
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2682[18:47:52] <jelly> !start an install-recommends war
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2683[18:47:52] <dpkg> apt-get now installs a minesweeper when I
told it to install bacula. *sob*
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2685[18:48:47] <cybrNaut> ,p anki
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2686[18:49:12] <M6HZ> "greycat> I'd start with:
dmesg | grep -i firmware " dmesg | grep -i i915 doesnt report
any message
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2687[18:49:18] <M6HZ> greycat:
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2688[18:49:22] <cybrNaut> ,v anki
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2689[18:49:24] <judd> Package: anki on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.11-1;
jessie: 2.0.31+dfsg-1; buster: 2.1.7+dfsg-1; sid: 2.1.7+dfsg-1
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2694[18:50:52] <cybrNaut> what happened there? Anki was dropped
from debian?
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2698[18:52:06] <greycat> M6HZ: ok, which chipset do you actually
have? lspci -nn
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2703[18:53:38] <M6HZ> greycat: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller
[0300]: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family
Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0122] (rev 09)
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2712[18:54:52] <maxrazer> Has anyone experienced Firefox being
slow compared to Chromium? A fellow debian user has told me he
doesn't use Firefox for that reason.
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2713[18:55:32] <AK> maxrazer: firefox is slower than google
chrome. I didn't use chromium
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2716[18:55:50] <FinalX> not really with the newer Quantum version
of Firefox (63+?)
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2718[18:56:08] <Floflobel_> hello, I installed a new Debian
server but the keyboard is not good, what is the method to change
it? I just tested by following this wiki but it does not propose a
keyboard selection.
replaced-url
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2721[18:56:34] <maxrazer> FinalX, Yeah, that is what I was
thinking, maybe they aren't trying the new Quantum engine.
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2723[18:56:51] <maxrazer> AK, Slow in a noticeable non-benchmark
way? Even the new quantum engine?
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2725[18:58:15] <maxrazer> I only see chromium int he repo by the
way.
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2728[18:58:40] <jhutchins_wk> ,pciid 8086:0122
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2729[18:58:42] <judd> [8086:0122] is '2nd Generation Core
Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller' from
'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'i915',
'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See
also
replaced-url
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2731[18:59:05] <maxrazer> I haven't been using Firefox,
because the binary package is compiled to require pulse audio and I
haven't gotten around to doing a custom build.
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2732[18:59:10] <greycat> I've been googling but without a
lot of success... it's a "Sandybridge" which is from
2011, so it may be old enough not to use non-free firmware.
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2737[18:59:58] <jelly> dpkg, tell Floflobel_ about keymap
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2739[19:01:14] <cybrNaut> maxrazer: a fundamental difference
between Firefox and Chromium is Chromium spawns a separate process
for every tab. So i think it's expected that each tab would
render fast, but Chromium will also bring your whole system to a
crawl
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2744[19:02:30] <maxrazer> cybrNaut, That sounds familiar,
however, I believe the latest Firefox now also has a seperate
process per tab.
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2747[19:03:11] <tomodachi> maxrazer: not really , just checked i
have 50 tabs approx , only 4 processes
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2748[19:03:54] <maxrazer> tomaw, I haven't looked into it
much, but that link says you can adjust that, so maybe you can
increase that in the settings.
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2749[19:03:57] <Floflobel_> jelly, what about keymap ?
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2753[19:04:17] <tomodachi> maxrazer: yup seems like it default is
4
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2754[19:04:19] <cybrNaut> maxrazer: i believe mozilla claims
Firefox has "sandboxing" for security purposes.. each tab
in a sandbox of some kind, but it's still lesser of a sandbox
than separate processes
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2755[19:04:23] <jelly> Floflobel_: check your client for a
private message from dpkg bot
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2756[19:04:35] <jelly> different tab/window perhaps
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2760[19:05:16] <Floflobel_> jelly, thank you
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2764[19:07:07] <cybrNaut> ..and I'm also not seeing a
setting in Firefox preferences for process control
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2769[19:08:43] <cybrNaut> hmm.. in about:config i see
dom.ipc.processCount and it's set to 4
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2782[19:13:22] <Floflobel_> jelly, the problem is that the
command 'dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration'
doesn't work
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2785[19:14:19] <jelly> Floflobel_: how does it fail?
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2786[19:14:33] <Floflobel_> jelly, do nothing when I run the
command
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2788[19:15:12] <jelly> Floflobel_: onthing happens, no choice
presented? You need to run it as root
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2789[19:15:48] <jelly> Floflobel_: is there _any_ output?
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2790[19:15:48] <Floflobel_> no choice, yes of course
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2791[19:15:59] <Floflobel_> jelly, no output
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2792[19:16:02] <jelly> weird
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2793[19:16:16] <jelly> Floflobel_: what does "uname -a"
say?
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2795[19:16:33] <Floflobel_> `Linux srv-238 4.19.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
#1 SMP Debian 4.19.12-1~bpo9+1 (2018-12-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux`
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2797[19:16:54] <jhutchins_wk> ,kernels
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2798[19:16:55] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.20.0-trunk-686-pae (4.20-1~exp1); sid:
4.19.0-1-686-pae (4.19.13-1); buster: 4.19.0-1-686-pae (4.19.12-1);
stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.18.20-2~bpo9+1); stretch:
4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.130-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae
(4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae
(4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1); wheezy-
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2799[19:16:56] <judd> backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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2800[19:17:12] <jelly> Floflobel_: is there a reason you're
running a stretch-backports kernel?
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2801[19:17:58] <joepublic> I must defend my fellow
shiny-new-stuffers
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2806[19:18:48] <jelly> Floflobel_: just for fun, can you pastebin
the output of "apt-cache policy
linux-image-4.19.0-0.bpo.1-amd64" ?
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2807[19:19:16] <jelly> either judd is a bit outdated or that
kernel happened but got removed
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2808[19:19:18] <Floflobel_> jelly, is used for a specific
material
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2812[19:20:19] <Floflobel_> specific hardware*
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2815[19:20:44] <jelly> Floflobel_: is there any difference if you
run with C locale, "LC_ALL=C dpkg-reconfigure
keyboard-configuration" ? Are you logged in at the console or
via ssh?
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2816[19:20:50] <jelly> or even X
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2824[19:24:05] <jelly> I mean how are you logged in when you run
the command, not how are you logged in when you try a keyboard at
the console)
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2827[19:24:59] <jelly> for some reason there is a
linux-image-4.19.0-0.bpo.1-amd64-unsigned but not a
linux-image-4.19.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 in backports.
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2828[19:25:14] <jelly> judd is not aware of this (yet)
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2835[19:28:08] <Slashman> jelly: the unsigned is to prepare
signed kernel for secure boot on debian 10
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2836[19:28:40] <Floflobel_> jelly, it's works with the
console not with ssh. The problem is solved thank you
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2880[19:46:41] <uio> Hello! On LXDE here. Is there a way to have
an on screen feedback when I use the volume keys to change the
volume? Ie, a little icon would show up, down or off?
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2900[19:54:27] <uio> Like this: but in LXDE
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2904[19:55:21] <diogenes_> uio, ask in #lubuntu
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2906[19:55:49] <uio> diogenes_, I'm on Debian though...
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2910[19:56:30] <nirakara> so i installed kde after installing
XFCE
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2911[19:56:39] <nirakara> now tray icons like steam and variety
don't appear in the tray
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2913[19:56:43] <diogenes_> it has nothing to do with debian
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2914[19:56:45] <nirakara> even after i open them
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2915[19:57:01] <nirakara> diogenes_: are you talking to me?
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2916[19:57:08] <n_1-c_k> uio: if you find no easier way, you can
use xbindkeys to set the volume and show a message by e.g. osd_cat.
I don't know how you'd set a tray icon.
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2917[19:57:08] <diogenes_> no
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2921[19:57:36] <uio> diogenes_, How so?
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2924[19:58:16] <diogenes_> uio, it's lxde thing to make
plugins for volume feedback icons and stuff
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2925[19:58:43] <diogenes_> lubuntu has always been using lxde so
it would be rational to ask them
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2926[19:58:44] <uio> diogenes_, Right, but a DE definately has
something do with Debian...
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2928[19:59:04] <uio> diogenes_, Right, true, they would be a good
ressource. Thanks for the tip.
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2929[19:59:13] <diogenes_> np
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2931[19:59:55] <Tom01> Is there a trick to get copy&paste
working on Linux?
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2941[20:06:29] <uio> Lubuntu on Ubuntu forums recommends apt-get
install xfce4-volumed gstreamer0.10-als neither of which are
available in the repos...
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2953[20:10:43] <rwp> Tom01, It has always "just worked"
for me. Left button down, drag to highlight, up to stop. Then middle
button pastes the highlighted region.
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2955[20:11:07] <Tom01> oh
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2960[20:11:35] <diogenes_> uio, maybe try pasystray
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2961[20:12:25] <rwp> I expect that someone was expecting
Control-C to copy but Control-C in terminals sends a SIGINT
interrupt signal.
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2965[20:12:55] <diogenes_> rwp, ctrl+alt+c
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2966[20:12:56] <greycat> In X11, pasting is done with the mouse.
You highlight with the 1st (left) button, and then you click the 2nd
(middle) button once to paste the highlighted text.
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2968[20:13:28] <greycat> Some APPLICATIONS (web browsers mostly)
will also mimic the Microsoft Windows keyboard-based pasting
paradigms, but that's on a program-by-program basis.
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2973[20:15:11] <e> well, properly, the ctrl+c and/or ctrl+insert
thing is a different selection from the middle mouse one, they
don't replace each other
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2976[20:15:45] <greycat> Yeah, because why would copying and
pasting text be SIMPLE.
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2981[20:17:41] <rwp> Were you thinking Shift+Insert paste in the
terminal e? I use that all of the time for pasting.
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2983[20:18:32] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: i'm back-ish for now
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2984[20:18:42] <rwp> In emacs C-Insert is the same as M-w though.
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2985[20:19:11] <uio> rwp and in vim. Just joking. Not important
:)
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2986[20:19:14] <rwp> SerajewelKS, How is GumShoe doing? Still
working on the raid installation?
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2987[20:19:17] <uio> *in vim?
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2990[20:19:25] <SerajewelKS> rwp: nah we got past that last night
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2991[20:19:36] <rwp> Good deal.
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2992[20:19:43] <SerajewelKS> rwp: he made a raid for like five
volumes but only labeled them, didn't actually configure raid
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2993[20:19:58] <SerajewelKS> rwp: i set him up with a raid for
/boot and a raid for LVM, then swap and / as LVs
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2994[20:20:09] <rwp> Perfect!
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2995[20:20:33] <SerajewelKS> not complicated stuff, but difficult
to walk through when you can't see their screen in realtime
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2996[20:20:33] <rwp> That's my standard configuration too.
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2999[20:21:25] <rwp> Yes. It would make this part so much easier
if we did actually have telepathy. Maybe everyone just needs to eat
more fish...
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3001[20:21:41] <SerajewelKS> now we have to figure out redundancy
for the EFI system partition
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3002[20:21:45] <GumShoe> ... lurking ... Just started a re
install to apply all I learned yesterday. LVM seems so much easier
today....
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3003[20:21:53] <rwp> But I think life is a lot more peaceful if
people don't know what others are thinking.
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3004[20:22:12] <SerajewelKS> LVM is fairly easy but of course you
still have to learn it. once you know what's going on,
it's dead simple and really nice to work with.
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3009[20:23:20] <GumShoe> I had a lot of learning curve to learn
the installer. I didn't find it all that intuitive.... One
thing I really wish it had was a clone /dev/sda to /dev/sdb kind of
feature....
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3010[20:23:20] <SerajewelKS> my #1 desire for linux storage
management is to have online shrinking of ext*
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3012[20:23:57] <rwp> Years ago an experienced admin was setting
up a system for me and used LVM. I asked, Why? It wasn't
needed. He said he didn't have an answer beyond that he always
uses it because it makes things easier. Years later *I* was setting
up a system for someone and used LVM and they asked me, why LVM? I
had that same look on my face then as my mentor had years before.
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3013[20:24:19] <SerajewelKS> yeah it's hard to explain why
to use it except that when you need it, you're glad it's
there
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3015[20:24:35] <GumShoe> I'll try btrfs per recomendation of
SerajewelkS too
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3017[20:25:04] <SerajewelKS> make sure you take regular backups
if you use btrfs. of course, you should take regular backups
regardless of what fs you use.
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3018[20:25:22] <rwp> SerajewelKS, I once did a shrink of a much
to large ext3 of aroudn 600GB and it took 12 days to complete!
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3019[20:25:25] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: if you dive into btrfs
you'll have to pick someone else's brain about it. i know
about it conceptually but haven't actually used it.
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3023[20:25:38] <SerajewelKS> rwp: wouldn't it have been nice
if that could have been done online? :P
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3024[20:26:09] <rwp> OMG! It would have been nice if the
algorithm had been rewritten to not be exponential time!
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3028[20:26:33] <rwp> It isn't optimized because no one uses
it. No one uses it because it is terribly slow to actually do.
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3029[20:27:02] <rwp> I mostly use xfs for large file systems now
though and xfs does not support shrinking.
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3031[20:27:24] <uio> diogenes I tried to installed pasystray, b
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3034[20:27:51] <SerajewelKS> rwp: interesting... btrfs supports
online grow and shrink
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3035[20:27:52] <greycat> You know what else nobody ever does?
Decide that they need LESS space.
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3036[20:27:59] <GumShoe> Uh ohh *fear* back to ext4 I do have
regular backups on all my linux machines at home and the cloud even
a ms server 2008R2. I use bacula, but am thinking of switching to
some Rsync scripts. Are there any _popular_ rsync based script
projects?
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3037[20:28:07] <uio> but don't know how to use it
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3039[20:28:42] <SerajewelKS> greycat: it can be useful in cases
like adding encryption/raid to an existing volume that fills the
disk. you usually have to shrink by an MB or two to accomodate the
raid/luks superblocks.
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3043[20:29:10] <SerajewelKS> i've also shrunk database
server volumes so that we can make use of LVM snapshots for truly
point-in-time backups with no downtime
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3044[20:29:12] <jhutchins_wk> We use LVM so that we can grow a
volume without taking it off-line. Add a disk in VMWare, expand the
volume, no downtime.
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3046[20:29:18] <rwp> I have been using BackupPC for some years
and it is solid for a small number of systems, say a dozen, but gets
very slow as systems are added to the collection.
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3047[20:29:35] <rwp> I have been thinking of exploring other
backup options...
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3048[20:29:43] <SerajewelKS> rwp: my go-to these days is restic
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3049[20:29:44] <jhutchins_wk> I've also worked on a system
where the tiny overhead of LVM was enough to take the system down.
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3051[20:30:24] <uio> pasystray doesn't seem to add any
volume notification
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3054[20:30:34] <SerajewelKS> jhutchins_wk: that sounds more like
something else was wrong, e.g. misaligned volumes
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3056[20:31:18] <jhutchins_wk> SerajewelKS: Nope. Just heavy
traffic.
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3058[20:31:44] <SerajewelKS> jhutchins_wk: hmm, sounds like the
system was pretty close to just being overloaded even without LVM.
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3059[20:32:20] <uio> What DE are most of you on? No one is on
LXDE?
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3060[20:32:23] <AK> Hmm AK is back
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3062[20:32:32] <greycat> !polls
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3063[20:32:33] <dpkg> "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is
taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can
answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers
will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
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3065[20:32:39] <SerajewelKS> uio: i use LXDE in virtual machines,
mostly
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3066[20:32:43] <AK> uio: i3 with some gaps :-)
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3067[20:33:02] <uio> AK, I don't know i3. Hmm
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3069[20:33:16] <uio> SerajewelKS, Cause it's light, I
imagine?
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3070[20:33:36] <AK> most linux don't. you are not alone,
don't worry
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3071[20:33:47] <greycat> i3 is a window manager, and many of us
only use a window manager, NOT a "desktop environment" at
all
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3072[20:33:49] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: sounds like rbackup?
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3073[20:33:51] <AK> linux users
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3074[20:34:09] <uio> AK, Wooa, ummm I don't think I'd
like it!
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3075[20:34:22] <uio> greycat, Hmmm.
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3077[20:34:34] <SerajewelKS> uio: mostly because it has a lower
memory footprint, yes
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3078[20:34:57] <AK> uio: don't know about you, but once I
was into it, I didn't like it too. now I don't like other
things than i3
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3080[20:35:28] <SerajewelKS> tiling window managers take a bit to
get used to, but eventually you understand why they exist
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3081[20:35:37] <SerajewelKS> you spend less time fiddling with
your windows and more time doing things
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3085[20:37:03] <M6HZ> Hello, do you know what the undocumented
option -u does with apt-get ?
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3087[20:37:46] <M6HZ> I'm seeing people quoting things like
"apt-get -u upgrade"
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3090[20:38:16] <AK> I have tried most of the windows managers.
and I love titling styles
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3091[20:38:37] <SerajewelKS> i just wish more programs
didn't freak out when a WM tiles them
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3092[20:38:47] <greycat> M6HZ: it shows you all of the package
names when you do "apt-get -u upgrade", and prompts for
confirmation
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3093[20:39:02] <greycat> I had no idea it was undocumented.
I've been using it so long.
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3094[20:39:03] <AK> I don't think there is a huge difference
in DE and floating WMs,
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3095[20:39:28] <SerajewelKS> many windows don't like to be
forced into a certain size
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3097[20:39:33] <M6HZ> What's the difference with and
whithout -u ?
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3098[20:39:39] <M6HZ> -h
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3099[20:39:50] <greycat> The wheezy man page has it:
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3100[20:39:59] <AK> in floating ones, you have to do manage
windows yourself
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3101[20:40:00] <greycat> -u, --show-upgraded
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3102[20:40:00] <greycat> Show upgraded packages; print out a list
of all packages that are
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3103[20:40:00] <greycat> to be upgraded. Configuration Item:
APT::Get::Show-Upgraded.
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3104[20:40:15] <AK> in tiling ones, WM does it for you
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3105[20:40:31] <greycat> That is ... interesting. The stretch man
page only has the OPPOSITE, --no-show-upgraded.
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3106[20:40:44] <SerajewelKS> greycat: isn't that default
behavior?
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3108[20:40:50] <M6HZ> greycat: looks like a deprecated option to
me
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3110[20:40:58] <greycat> SerajewelKS: I am guessing that the
default got reversed some time between wheezy and stretch
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3111[20:41:03] <M6HZ> Yes
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3112[20:41:09] <M6HZ> certainly
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3113[20:41:16] <M6HZ> Thanks
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3114[20:41:26] <SerajewelKS> hmm. i've been using debian
since... woody? i thought it always gave you a list and asked for
confirmation.
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3116[20:41:59] <AK> I'm using debian for 3 days ;-)
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3118[20:42:15] <M6HZ> SerajewelKS: Do you see any difference
currently between apt-get -u upgrade and apt-get upgrade ?
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3119[20:42:29] <AK> is apt have an option like no-confirm to use
for some scripts/aliases?
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3120[20:42:31] <SerajewelKS> M6HZ: i don't have any systems
that need upgrades, so i don't have a way to check right now
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3123[20:42:54] <SerajewelKS> AK: --yes
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3125[20:43:04] <M6HZ> SerajewelKS: Well, both ask for
confirmation
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3126[20:43:06] <AK> thanks SerajewelKS
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3130[20:45:00] <AK> I use efistub(direct boot the kernel without
an extra boot manager) and I need a hook which could rename the
kernel and initrd on upgrade to vmlinuz and initrd.img respectively.
I mean there should be no versio with them
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3134[20:46:04] <uio> So I install volti, which seems to have
volume indicator capacities, but I can't get them to work...
how can I use this to get an on screen volume display?
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3136[20:46:50] <whislock> AK:
replaced-url
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3147[20:54:39] <GumShoe> Here I am in the installer at the
partitioner using manual methond. Is there a way to wipe the drives
from the gui? Or just grab a shell and wipe them which would be
easier then deleting/removing all the lvm then raid stuff...
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3149[20:55:28] <deepy> What's the driver for intel hd 4000
package called? I can only find xserver-xorg-video-intel and that
seems to be the wrong one
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3155[20:57:23] <jhutchins_wk> AK: symlinks
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3156[20:57:44] <jhutchins_wk> deepy: What's the pciid?
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3163[21:02:17] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: using dd to write 1MB of
zeros to the start of each disk and rebooting should work
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3164[21:02:31] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda
bs=1024 count=1024
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3165[21:02:35] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: repeat for sdb
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3169[21:03:52] <deepy> jhutchins_wk: 8086:0166 I think
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3174[21:05:55] <GumShoe> The annonying part of that is reboot!
;-) Anway I'm back in the partitioner and it occurs to me that
I just need to redo the LVM logical volumes. I also changed the
/dev/sdb1 from part to /boot/efi to match /dev/sda1
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3183[21:08:12] <jhutchins_wk> ,pciid 8086:0166
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3184[21:08:13] <judd> [8086:0166] is '3rd Gen Core processor
Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with
kernel modules 'i915', 'snd-hda-intel',
'ata-generic' in stretch. See also
replaced-url
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3237[21:42:56] <Resilience> I need to uderstand the ouuput from a
dig search, due to an issue with dnsbl, he says I am running some
kind of mail proxy (but I cannot uderstand what he says in his
webpage)
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3242[21:45:07] <GumShoe> That's odd I didn't get this
error last night... Just installed pastebinit root@debbie:~# lsblk |
pastebinit
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3243[21:45:07] <GumShoe> Failed to contact the server: [Errno
socket error] [SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify
failed (_ssl.c:720)
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3244[21:45:07] <GumShoe> root@debbie:~# lsblk > /tmp/a
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3247[21:45:32] * rant suspects Resilience speaks spanish natively
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3248[21:45:43] <GumShoe> pastebinit is the debian prefered tool -
correct?
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3251[21:46:27] <Resilience> rant, you're right, is my
English so bad? I am sorry
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3254[21:47:02] <rant> Resilience: no its great judt the pronouns
are wrong :p
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3255[21:47:31] <rant> which is common of american latinos
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3256[21:48:02] <Resilience> rant, no, they are not wrong, dnsbl
is a one man effort, his name is Leandro whatever, and he thinks he
is some kind of internet sheriff or vigilante
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3257[21:48:16] <rant> heh
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3259[21:48:42] <Resilience> rant, no dnsbl is not they/them is
he/his
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3261[21:49:19] <GumShoe> @SerajewelKS Finished the reinstalled
with the LVM logical partitions created and left some extra space
for growth.
replaced-url
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3262[21:49:21] <rant> that may be so but gramatically it is an it
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3263[21:49:56] <GumShoe> Looking pretty good but didn't get
the sdb1 created as /boot/efi
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3265[21:50:48] <rant> English doesnt assign gender to things that
dont reproduce sexually and if the lgbtq folk get their way it wont
assign gender at all leavin us all confused
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3272[21:52:08] <Resilience> rant, no, he is not an it, becuase
dnsbl is run by one man, so a man it still a he, annd a woman still
a she, ight? so the man hiding beneath dnsbl has done that, so it
has been done by him
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3273[21:52:25] <Resilience> dnsbl does nothing, it is all done by
one man, so it is a he
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3275[21:53:17] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: nice, what's
vgdisplay?
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3276[21:53:38] <rant> heh were way ot now.. wouldnt mind
discussin this sometime in #debian-offtopic or such though
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3284[21:55:16] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: you have to figure out how
you want to tackle the ESP. use the 1.0 superblock and hope nothing
desyncs the array, or manually rsync/dd after reinstalling grub
(which you should never have to do).
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3285[21:55:20] <jmcnaught> Resilience: try sharing a pastebin of
the dig output, you might also try ##email for help with this issue
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3287[21:55:52] <Resilience> jmcnaught, dig with waht params? dig
<ip> ?
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3288[21:55:58] <GumShoe> @SerajewelKS I put it in the same
pastebin
replaced-url
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3291[21:56:39] <GumShoe> @SerajewelKS That's odd I
didn't get this error last night... Just installed pastebinit
root@debbie:~# lsblk | pastebinit
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3293[21:57:58] <GumShoe> Last night I installed base utilities.
Today I didn't could that explain the error; Failed to contact
the server: [Errno socket error] [SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED]
certificate verify failed (_ssl.c:720)
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3297[21:59:27] <GumShoe> I think I have my install to my liking
so time to add packages after initial install. Is this a prefered
way to find packages? tasksel --list-task
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3298[21:59:38] <jmcnaught> Resilience: I don't use any dnsbl
myself, but I believe you look up by reversing the octets in the IP
address you want to check and appending the dnsbl domain name, for
example 1.2.3.4 becomes 4.3.2.1.dnsbl.example.com
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3299[22:00:09] <GumShoe> I was expecting to see some dev
groupinstall and such...
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3300[22:00:31] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: wait something is wrong
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3301[22:00:40] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: why is md0 not mounted as
/boot?
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3302[22:00:46] <Resilience> jmcnaught, mmm the problem is that
the man running dnsbl has black listed me, and some irc servers have
banned me, and I don't understand what LEandro from dnsbl says
in his webpage
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3306[22:01:46] <GumShoe> @SerajewelKS Guess that's an
artifact of our experiment last night.
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3307[22:01:47] <Resilience> jmcnaught, here:
replaced-url
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3308[22:02:11] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: no, that wouldn't do
it
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3309[22:02:20] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: are you sure you selected
"mount point: /boot" for md0?
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3311[22:02:58] <GumShoe> @SerajewelKS Guess; I screwed up?
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3313[22:03:24] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: it's fixable
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3314[22:03:32] <jmcnaught> Resilience: you're not really
checking anything with that dig query, and you got no result. Like I
said I don't use dnsbl myself, but if you are trying to check
if your IP is listed by this one, do they not have instructions for
how to check?
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3317[22:05:31] <GumShoe> I didn't modify the raid. I figured
we had the raid correct last night so just redid the LVM. I did
change try to change /dev/sdb1 to /boot/efi but it didn't take.
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3319[22:05:48] <Resilience> jmcnaught, as I said, I don't
understand what they say about rDNS and things like that, I
don't know what he _thinks_ he has detected and I cannot check
it, as I said Leandro Carlos rodrigues thinks he is some kind of
vigilante of the inteenet and he asks for money to delist banned IPs
from his service
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3320[22:06:26] <GumShoe> @SerajewelKS Guess I'll wait to
install additional packages until we fix md0
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3322[22:07:09] <nkuttler> ,v anki
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3323[22:07:10] <judd> Package: anki on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.11-1;
jessie: 2.0.31+dfsg-1; buster: 2.1.7+dfsg-1; sid: 2.1.7+dfsg-1
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3324[22:07:16] <nkuttler> cybrNaut: ^^
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3326[22:07:42] <nkuttler> cybrNaut: qt5 webkit wasn't
available iirc, anki took forever to port to a non-broken version
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3327[22:08:23] <jmcnaught> Resilience: if you need to do a
reverse DNS lookup you can do that with with dig's -x option.
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3330[22:09:21] <Resilience> jmc thanks, and wil it tel me if
there are some kind of DNS entry pinting to my ip?
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3340[22:11:56] <jmcnaught> Resilience: if you do "dig -x
<IP address>" then you will get the reverse DNS that
points to that IP address. With dig you can specify which nameserver
to check using "dig @ns.example.com …" You might
need to use both of those options to check the DNSBL, but I
don't know anything about it in particular.
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3342[22:13:18] <Resilience> jmcnaught, the man running that
service list IP's, he says nothing of why they are listed, sys
that if he dones not like waht you said will ban youur email too,
and asks fo rmoney por paid delisting
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3346[22:15:25] <jmcnaught> Resilience: were you told you need to
configure rDNS for your mail server to get delisted?
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3349[22:16:42] <Resilience> jmcnaught, that is the uqestion, I
have NO DNS service, NO mail server, NO web server, he does not say
what he thinks I am running, not how can I check it to understand
what he thinks I do
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3350[22:17:00] <Resilience> jmcnaught, so, rDNS of WHAT? of
nothing?????
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3352[22:17:38] <jhutchins_wk> Resilience: What blacklist do you
think you're on?
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3356[22:19:37] <Resilience> jhutchins_wk, I don'think, I am
at dnsbl, I have checked for it, and I don't understand why, so
I was asking what can I do to understand why I am listed, becasuse
the man at dnsbl says "configure our rDNS", but I do NOT
have any service
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3357[22:19:50] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: if the partitions were the
same, the installer won't use them unless you explicitly tell
it to
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3358[22:19:58] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: because it assumes you are
installing alongside of an existing system
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3359[22:20:10] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: so you still have to tell
the installer that md0 is /boot or it will just leave it alone
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3360[22:21:36] <GumShoe> What is /boot used for? Considering I
have /boot/efi ?
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3363[22:21:43] <jhutchins_wk> There is no "dnsbl".
There are quite a few different ones. Mostly you get listed for spam
coming from your address. Some of them have poor policies, which is
why you should know their reputation before using them for blocking
as opposed to weighting.
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3365[22:22:41] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: we can fix it like this:
mkdir /boot2 && mount /dev/md0 /boot2 && rm -fr
/boot2/{*,.*} && mv /boot/{*,.*} /boot2/ && umount
/boot2 && mount /dev/md0 /boot
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3366[22:22:45] <Resilience> jhtsorry, you're right, is this
one:
replaced-url
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3367[22:22:47] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: then we have to put /boot
in your fstab
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3368[22:23:03] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: /boot/efi stores the grub
image. /boot stores the kernel image, initrd, and grub
config+resources
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3378[22:26:25] <jhutchins_wk> Resilience: It's possible that
your IP address was spoofed by a spammer and that got you listed.
It's also possible you got malware and sent spam you
didn't know about.
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3381[22:26:59] <jhutchins_wk> Resilience: /whois Resilience
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3382[22:27:04] <Habbie> 'spoofed by a spammer'?
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3383[22:27:18] <Habbie> that's not a thing you often read
with a serious face
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3384[22:27:28] <jhutchins_wk> Habbie: It happens.
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3385[22:27:47] <Habbie> it does, but it is very uncommon
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3386[22:27:56] <Habbie> and it leaves heaps of evidence
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3387[22:27:58] <Resilience> jhutchins_wk, I do /whois and the
what?
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