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0[00:00:09] <asterismo> the laptop has Intel Corporation 5
Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio
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16[00:03:45] <asterismo> i get activity on the audio tachometer
in pavucontrol
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17[00:03:57] <asterismo> its like the audio is muted
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18[00:04:09] <sandieg> ty sharp15
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27[00:07:10] <sandieg> do you mind a pm you
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28[00:07:12] <sandieg> sharp15,
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31[00:08:14] <asterismo> anyone?
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32[00:08:18] <sandieg> sharp15, can i pm you ?
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33[00:08:48] <sandieg> asterismo : check
etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf and other files blocking the drivers
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34[00:09:05] <sandieg> some debian distros bring them by
default ON!
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36[00:09:32] <aloo_shu> asterismo maybe pulseaudio isn't
gone altogether? ps -e|grep pulse should give a clue
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42[00:11:39] <asterismo> aloo_shu, there was a pulseaudio
running
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43[00:11:44] <asterismo> i killed it
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44[00:11:53] <asterismo> this is my aplay -l
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45[00:11:55] <asterismo>
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47[00:12:02] <asterismo> still no sound
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48[00:12:18] <asterismo> and i have no blacklist on that folder
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49[00:13:03] <aloo_shu> asterismo check if it is really gone.
maybe you have to disable pulseaudio as a service - unless you
*want* to use it and LXDE likes it
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50[00:13:36] <asterismo> how to disable pulseaudio as a
service?
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55[00:15:25] <aloo_shu> asterismo I just see one thing there,
so the realtek wasn't your only card? you have the hda intel as
well? only the latter doesn't show?
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56[00:15:50] <aloo_shu> sorry *former, hda shows, realtek
doesn't?
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57[00:16:19] <asterismo> i thought it was a realtek
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59[00:16:25] <asterismo> it is intel
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60[00:16:30] <aloo_shu> ok
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61[00:16:33] <asterismo> sorry, my bad
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63[00:16:52] <aloo_shu> and if yo give the card as a parameter
with aplay?
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64[00:17:04] <asterismo> how?
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72[00:18:27] <asterismo> i installed firmware-realtek, should i
remove it?
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74[00:18:34] <asterismo> brb
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75[00:18:38] <aloo_shu> man aplay would tell you, apparently
there's a -D parameter
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78[00:18:59] <aloo_shu> asterismo firmware realtek
shouldn't interfere
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85[00:20:21] <aloo_shu> asterismo disable pulseaudio , the
safest way would be through the session-startup or such settings in
your desktop
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89[00:21:41] <aloo_shu> also, asterismo, are you we talking
about the aplay *command* or are you using a player of that name?
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95[00:24:59] <asterismo_l> hi
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103[00:27:37] <aloo_shu> so?
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112[00:30:12] <aloo_shu> asterismo_l one thing seems sure,if you
get the terminal output you posted, the kernel *does* see your HDA
intel card and no module is missing or blacklisted
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114[00:30:29] <aloo_shu> so what have you done meanwhile, and
what has happened?
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115[00:30:39] <Trap-Chan> is add-apt-repository a valid command?
i'm getting a "command not found" when trying to use
it as instructed.
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116[00:30:45] <asterismo_l> i'm trying to remove kde
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117[00:31:05] <asterismo_l> rebooted, no sound
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119[00:32:08] <cluelessperson> I'm getting this error when
I tyr to start a service
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120[00:32:10] <cluelessperson> No directory, logging in with
HOME=/
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121[00:32:41] <cluelessperson> however, the User=<user>
has the passwd defined: /etc/<user>/ with 700 on it
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127[00:33:55] <aloo_shu> probably something was not quite right
in the way you went from kde to lxde, to begin with, asterismo_l
,but let's see if sound can be fixed
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130[00:35:35] <aloo_shu> asterismo_l , let's try a
different approach. You didn't disable or kill pulseaudio yet,
did you?
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132[00:35:55] <aloo_shu> after this reboot
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140[00:38:18] <locrian9> ntp question... I'm running Ubuntu
14.04 LTS (sysvinit) and wanted to have this server ntp sync with
'server x.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org'. I'm running the
'ntpd' daemon
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141[00:38:51] <jmcnaught> locrian9: go ask #ubuntu, only Debian
is supported in #debian as you've been told before
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146[00:40:28] <aloo_shu> cluelessperson are you by any chance
trying to start or stop services for your user while being root?
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147[00:40:49] <jmcnaught> Trap-Chan: that command is in the
software-properties-common package, but generally people simply edit
/etc/apt/sources.list or make a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ to
add a new repository
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151[00:41:34] <Trap-Chan> jmcnaught, it said it was for adding a
PPA. oddly i was able to get the package without adding the PPA
whatever that is.
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154[00:41:41] <jmcnaught> Trap-Chan: if you're following
instructions for Ubuntu (where using that command is more common) be
careful not to install packages compiled for Ubuntu instead of
Debian. Just because they both use .deb does not mean that the
distros are mutually compatible
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156[00:41:50] <asterismo_l> aloo_shu, i removed pulseaudio and
it is not running
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157[00:41:59] <Trap-Chan> it said "debian based"
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159[00:42:17] <jmcnaught> Trap-Chan: you may want to read
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160[00:42:35] <aloo_shu> asterismo_l and aplay is aplay command
in a terminal, right ?
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161[00:42:45] <asterismo_l> yes
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162[00:42:54] <Trap-Chan> what are the rules here on discussing
emulation? (not the games just the software)
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163[00:43:12] <jmcnaught> removing pulseaudio is just
compounding your problems, especially if there is still no sound
when pulseaudio is not running
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165[00:43:49] <jmcnaught> Trap-Chan: if you have a support
question for emulation software that is in Debian's repos you
can ask here, if there is a better channel someone might point you
towards it
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169[00:44:35] <Trap-Chan> k. if it's ok to discuss: i was
trying to install retro arch.
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170[00:45:16] <aloo_shu> asterismo_l just tried that here, aplay
doesn't seem to be the most clever command, tried to play back
a 44.1khz .mp3 at 8000Hz
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171[00:45:20] <jmcnaught> ,i retroarch
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172[00:45:22] <judd> Package retroarch (otherosfs, optional) in
stretch/amd64: Simple frontend for the libretro library. Version:
1.3.6+dfsg1-1; Size: 664.3k; Installed: 2236k; Homepage:
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174[00:45:43] <jmcnaught> Trap-Chan: that package is already in
Debian, you don't need to add a third party repo to install it
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177[00:46:24] <asterismo_l> aloo_shu, i tried to play a youtube
video and nothing
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178[00:46:25] <aloo_shu> asterismo_l do you have something else
to check playback? Does your lxde desktop work already?
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180[00:46:38] <Trap-Chan> k. so i'm good then? what exactly
is a PPA and why is that guide saying to add it? it doesn't
look like a repo since there is none of the typical arguments like
the uri or the main/contrib/non-free etc stuff.
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182[00:47:20] <jmcnaught> Trap-Chan: a lot of bad advice on the
internet. A PPA is a type of third party repository that has
packages in it that are *not* from Debian.
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183[00:47:39] <Trap-Chan> k gotcha. so avoid PPAs.
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187[00:48:33] <cluelessperson> aloo_shu: yes
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189[00:48:50] <cluelessperson> aloo_shu: sorry, turns out I got
the directory name wrong. >.<
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190[00:48:56] <cluelessperson> I hate spotting things like that
right after I ask
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192[00:48:59] <somiaj> Trap-Chan: PPA's are usually made
for ubuntu which may have different versions of the libaries (or
sometimes different libaries) which makes installing said package a
pain. We only support offical debian packages from the debian repo
(don't worry most stuff is there), and it is suggested you only
use third party repos that build packages specifically for the
version of debian you are using (not ubuntu, or a
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194[00:49:05] <somiaj> ny other debian based distro)
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197[00:50:13] <aloo_shu> asterismo_l just a simple audio player
like audacious or such? It would be nice to have one where you can
pick the playback device in the settings. should be set to alsa
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198[00:50:19] <Trap-Chan> k gotcha. sofar all my repos are for
debian.org...or was it .net? i can't rememer but all but hte
non-free one were given to me by a bot here in this chat.
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199[00:50:44] <somiaj> Trap-Chan: deb.debian.org I think is the
most current mirror redirector
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200[00:50:48] <somiaj> !deb.debian.org
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201[00:50:49] <dpkg> deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is
backed by international content delivery networks and for most
users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the
<sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt
queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older
apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs.
See
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203[00:51:17] <aloo_shu> cluelessperson I love it if my clues
help although I don't have too many
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205[00:52:09] <Trap-Chan> is gog galaxy in debian's repos?
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217[01:02:22] <Trap-Chan> ahh bugger, looks like gog games are
compiled for ubuntu?
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245[01:10:57] <Trap-Chan> is there a way to launch firefox to a
specific page in fullscreen(f11) mode?
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246[01:11:44] <somiaj> Trap-Chan: what de/wm are you using?
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247[01:12:34] <somiaj> I know how to do that in fvwm, but unsure
about other wms/de, but the window manager is what is in charge of
putting windows in place, and most you should be able to tell what
page to launch an application on.
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248[01:12:44] <Trap-Chan> xfce
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250[01:12:57] <Trap-Chan> i'm trying to launch it from
steam though.
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251[01:13:41] <somiaj> Trap-Chan:
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252[01:13:54] <somiaj> that may work, might be a more generic
way to achive this using wmctrl
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253[01:14:02] <somiaj> you may need to write a script, and call
that script from steam to get it to work
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256[01:14:44] <somiaj>
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257[01:14:49] <Trap-Chan> hrm. i figured maybe there would be
some setting in firefox to start fullscreen.
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266[01:17:52] <somiaj> Trap-Chan:
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275[01:22:36] <ghormoon> hi, were there any changes between bind
default in debian 8 and 9? after upgrade, I've got issues with
rdnc now, with iptables enabled (even tough they allow input
locally) it complains it can't loccent to 127.0.0.1:953, with
flushed iptables, it doesn't say much and just tries to
shutdown (rndc process hangs and it just doesn't stop intil I
kill -9 the rndc, next start it will just try to stp again anyway).
setting controls { }; doesn't help, still
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276[01:22:41] <Trap-Chan> hrm that doesn't seem to work.
just keeps opening in regular mode. >.<
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277[01:22:41] <ghormoon> rndc starts :(
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280[01:23:23] <ghormoon> also another "issue", why I
don't see most of the devices in /dev/input/by-id and by-path?
can I somehow enable it to link them there so I don't have to
guess them by number? :)
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283[01:23:36] <somiaj> ,v bind
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284[01:23:37] <judd> No package named 'bind' was found
in amd64.
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285[01:23:39] <somiaj> ,v bind9
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286[01:23:40] <judd> Package: bind9 on amd64 -- wheezy:
1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u10; wheezy-security:
1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u18; wheezy-backports:
1:9.9.5.dfsg-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u12;
jessie-proposed-updates: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u13; jessie-security:
1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u13; stretch: 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.3+deb9u1;
stretch-proposed-updates: 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.3+deb9u2; stretch-
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287[01:23:41] <judd> security: 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.3+deb9u2;
buster: 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.5; sid: 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.6;
experimental: 1:9.10.4-P5-1
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290[01:24:39] <somiaj> ghormoon: not quite following you, are
you talking about the DNS server bind, or about binding something
else?
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292[01:24:44] <ghormoon> yeah, the question is, was there any
important change between 9.8 and 9.10? or maybe should I go directly
to bind channel for this? I'm not sure if there can be any
debian-specific configuration
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293[01:24:45] <sandiego>
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295[01:24:55] <sandiego> no sound at all
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297[01:25:01] <ghormoon> somiaj: yes, bind9 dns server stopped
working after upgrade
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300[01:26:06] <somiaj> ghormoon: hmm, I don't run servers,
so unsure of any changes, but if you are courious one place to start
is the changelog, /usr/share/doc/bind9/changelog.gz (there is also a
changelog.Debian.gz too)
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302[01:27:32] <ghormoon> I don't really need rdnc, strange
it still tries to run it even when it is not set up
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303[01:27:52] <ghormoon> not sure if systemd doesn't
somehow add rnc options somewhere because if I run named from
commandline, it runs
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304[01:27:57] <sandiego> can someone give me a hand ?
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306[01:29:01] <somiaj> sandiego: just ask your question for
support with debian
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307[01:29:13] <jmcnaught> sandiego: your pastebin link requires
a captcha for me, probably for others too. If you put it on a
different one (like
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309[01:29:25] <somiaj> ghormoon: unsure what the issue could be,
might be something with yoursetup and the systemd unit files.
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310[01:29:36] <somiaj> sandiego: oh sorry, I missed your
question above, follow jmcnaught advice and don't use
pastebin.com
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311[01:30:05] <somiaj> !tell sandiego about alsa-checklist
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312[01:30:12] <sandiego> woot?
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313[01:30:13] <sandiego>
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314[01:30:27] <somiaj> what the bot said is standard advices for
debugging alsa, if you use pulse, pavucontrol is a good tool
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319[01:31:25] <sandiego> i use alsa
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320[01:31:33] <sandiego> mate smiaj :)
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322[01:31:36] <sandiego> ALSA lib
pcm_hw.c:1667:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card
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323[01:31:36] <sandiego> aplay: main:722: audio open error: No
such device
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325[01:31:41] <somiaj> sandiego: might want to follow the bots
advices on the alsa-checklist and debug the sound seperate of using
mplayer
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327[01:31:51] <somiaj> sandiego: does other software give you
sound?
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328[01:32:15] <sandiego> nop
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329[01:32:23] <sandiego> what might be the cause of this ?
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330[01:32:35] <sandiego> i ll link lspci
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331[01:32:36] <somiaj> ghormoon: systemctl status servicename
maybe useful, look at the rndc service and see what sort of errors
it gives, you can also look at the unit file in
/usr/lib/systemd/system for that.
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332[01:32:36] <sandiego> moment
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333[01:32:48] <somiaj> sandiego: cat /proc/asound/cards is a
good place to start. Do you see any cards.
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336[01:33:34] <ghormoon> ok, got it, in /etc/defau;t/bind9 there
was -v4 option that is now only -4 for ipv4 :)
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337[01:33:36] <sandiego> 0 [PCH ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
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338[01:33:36] <sandiego> HDA Intel PCH at 0xdfe40000 irq 146
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339[01:33:36] <sandiego> 1 [Generic ]: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio
Generic
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340[01:33:36] <sandiego> HD-Audio Generic at 0xdfd60000 irq 147
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341[01:33:46] <sandiego> only this 2 smiaj
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342[01:33:48] <sandiego> somiaj
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343[01:33:49] <sandiego> :)
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347[01:34:09] <somiaj> sandiego: please don't paste to the
channel. Okay now follow what the bot did and try to play to one of
the sound cards using root.
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353[01:34:58] <sandiego> how do i point the sound to the card ?
it self somiaj
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354[01:35:27] <somiaj> did you read what I had the bot tell you?
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356[01:35:32] <sandiego> yup
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357[01:35:34] <sandiego> aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
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360[01:35:45] <sandiego> doesnt ring nothing in the headset
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361[01:35:51] <somiaj> you can also use aplay -L or man aplay to
tell it to use a specific sound card.
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365[01:36:05] <somiaj> is this a laptop? And is the head set
pluged into the standard audo jack?
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366[01:36:10] <sandiego> desktop
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367[01:36:22] <sandiego> yup standart3.5mm
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368[01:36:27] <ghormoon> somiaj: yeah, the problem with status
and journal was that I didn't get anything more from it.
because bind doesn't say anything if you give him the wrong
option. just dies :))
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369[01:36:27] <sandiego> mobo
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370[01:37:07] <sandiego> works fine in windows
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371[01:37:09] <somiaj> sandiego: hvae you checked alsamixer to
ensure all the volumes at turned up and tried to plug into different
jacks
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372[01:37:19] <sandiego> yup
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373[01:37:23] <somiaj> somtimes you have to manually set the
model with an intel based card too since that sound card is quite
generic
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374[01:37:35] <ghormoon> anyway, the other issue, is there
anything (maybe in sysctl? ) that I need to turn on to get
/dev/input/by-path and by-id populated like it was in debian 8? now
it gives only usb devices etc, but not the ps/2 ones :(
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375[01:37:37] <sandiego> ohh how do i do that ?
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377[01:37:48] <somiaj>
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378[01:38:11] <sandiego> alsamixer
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379[01:38:12] <sandiego> cannot open mixer: No such device
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380[01:38:19] <sandiego> =/
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386[01:39:44] <somiaj> sandiego: do you have a ~/.asoundrc file
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390[01:42:37] <somiaj> sandiego: I have to head out, maybe
others can help.
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391[01:42:46] <sandiego> ~/.asoundrc
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392[01:42:48] <sandiego> :(
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393[01:43:23] <somiaj> was that file there, if so it maybe
messing you up, mv ~/.asoundrc ~/.asoundrc-bak then try to run
alsamixer and see if it gets the default card
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401[01:49:44] <Trap-Chan> woot. found an addon that launches it
fullscreen. now my htpc can do netflix/retroarch/kodi all from steam
BP and you never have to stop being in some semblance of 10"
UI.
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402[01:49:46] <sandiego> hmmok
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405[01:52:10] <Trap-Chan> still need to figure out how to launch
steam by default.
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413[01:54:49] <Trap-Chan> I'm guessing there isn't a
manpage on [/etc/init.d] [~/.config/autostart] [update-rc.d]
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420[01:58:21] <JoeRock> may I use iptables as packet filter for
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424[01:59:09] <JoeRock> in the voice forwarding ?
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427[02:00:14] <JoeRock> I use debian 8.9
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scripts with some kind of splash screen. changing the acer splash
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474[02:35:06] <bazhang> !ops | nigg3rcrac3r
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475[02:35:06] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang
complains about: | nigg3rcrac3r
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476[02:35:22] <uxfi> th0r; sent a message
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509[02:50:56] <Trap-Chan> is there a way to set debian or pulse
audio to dublicate sound output to a second device? like have my
HDMI sound and speaker port treated as the same device so i can have
headphones hooked up without shutting off the tv speakers?
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513[02:55:18] <bazhang> ,v padevchooser
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514[02:55:19] <judd> Package: padevchooser on amd64 -- jessie:
0.9.4-1.1
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515[02:55:33] <bazhang> ,v pavucontrol
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516[02:55:34] <judd> Package: pavucontrol on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.0-1; jessie: 2.0-3; buster: 3.0-3.1; sid: 3.0-3.1; stretch:
3.0-3.1
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517[02:55:45] <somiaj> Trap-Chan: alsa can't do that, but I
belive that is one of the many features of pulse.
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519[02:56:01] <bazhang> they should have paprefs as well
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522[02:56:28] <Trap-Chan> what's alsa?
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525[02:56:58] <bazhang> !alsa
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526[02:56:59] <dpkg> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) is
a Linux kernel component providing device drivers for sound cards.
Ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>,
<default alsa>, <alsa firmware>.
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528[02:58:16] <somiaj> Trap-Chan: alsa is the sound drivers used
on most systems. pulseaudio runs on top of alsa as a sound server
and provides lots of additional tools, like switching sound cards on
the fly or even outputting to two sound cards at once as you asked.
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530[02:58:49] <Trap-Chan> ahh cool. i'll just hafta figure
out how to config that. thanx for the help.
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531[02:59:03] <somiaj> Trap-Chan: use the programs bazhang told
the bot to list the versions of
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534[03:00:48] <Trap-Chan> i already have pavucontrol i think.
that's the volume mixxer app right?
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537[03:01:01] <somiaj> for pulse, that should also let you
configure pulse to do other things as well
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539[03:01:49] <Trap-Chan> yeah i just mean that's what
it's listed in the app menu when set to show generic names.
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585[03:26:10] <likcoras> If you don't have pa, you
can't have two applications output audio at the same time,
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594[03:33:20] <kambei> I hope to someday live in a world where
all children ask that question.
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603[03:40:02] <TRS-80> evening peeps
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604[03:40:07] <TRS-80> The Window Switcher installation is
broken, resources are missing.
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605[03:40:08] <TRS-80> Contact your distribution about this.
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606[03:40:11] <TRS-80> ???
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610[03:42:43] <jmcnaught> TRS-80: can you provide more context?
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612[03:43:17] <TRS-80> does it when I Alt-Tab to switch windows
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613[03:43:47] <TRS-80> Debian Stretch, KDE Plasma whatever
version is in Stretch
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614[03:44:11] <TRS-80> was working fine, until I installed Dia
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615[03:45:04] <TRS-80> then trying to copy paste from Firefox,
Alt-Tab back to Dia and got that message
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620[03:46:49] <jmcnaught> TRS-80: does the problem happen for
other users? create a test user if no others exist
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628[03:49:58] <jmcnaught> you shouldn't need to log the
current user out, doesn't KDE have a switch users feature?
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629[03:50:52] <TRS-80> oh yes oops
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634[03:52:08] <TRS-80> although, clicking that doesn't do
anything, prolly because I'm the only non root user, lemme
create new user
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635[03:52:12] <TRS-80> brb
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638[03:53:51] <TRS-80> oh wait, not sure how long this been here
but just now see a notification about Plasma closing unexpectedly
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641[03:55:07] <TRS-80> looking into this, rebooting, brb
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653[04:00:08] <TRS-80> hmm, working fine now, not sure what
happened and unfortunately don't remember what I was doing
enough to file a useful bug report
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654[04:00:22] <TRS-80> or maybe it was just a one off thing...
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655[04:00:25] <bodeezl> eek
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658[04:01:07] <TRS-80> I'm not going to worry about it
unles problem persists
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659[04:01:17] <TRS-80> thanks all the same however
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710[04:35:50] <Henry151> how can I run a quick command and see
what my processor speed is?
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711[04:36:02] <Henry151> not how fast it is currently running,
just what it is specced to
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713[04:36:19] <bazhang> sudo lshw perhaps
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714[04:36:56] <Henry151> that was the one I had forgotten
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715[04:36:57] <Henry151> thanks
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716[04:37:06] <bazhang> npx
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733[04:51:55] <gerforce> what is 'npx' abbreviated to?
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739[04:55:26] <Paul--> hello all
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742[04:56:36] <Paul--> when I run dhclient eth0 as root, this
command overwrite the name server file , /etc/resolv.conf
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746[04:57:11] <Paul--> I don't understand if dhclient has a
config file or no
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747[04:57:38] <Paul--> I don't want the isp dns,
'cause they are filtered
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748[04:59:30] <jmcnaught> Paul--: one way to work around this is
to use resolvconf
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753[05:00:18] <Paul--> I don't understand if it's
dhclient that overwrite the file, or if there is another setting
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758[05:00:36] <jmcnaught> !resolvconf
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759[05:00:36] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, resolvconf
is a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the
file that contains your DNS settings). Packages like ppp, ifupdown,
dhcp-client, ... are compatible with it. Ask me about
<fixresolvconf>, <resolv.conf>, <override dns>
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760[05:01:09] <Paul--> !dhclient
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761[05:01:09] <dpkg> To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and
later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto
eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do
"ifup -a" or reboot. See also <resolv.conf>,
<override dns>.
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763[05:01:23] <jmcnaught> Paul--: you can '/msg dpkg'
about the other factoids listed at the end. It's definitely
dhclient that is writing resolv.conf if it gets nameserver info back
from the DHCP server
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764[05:01:32] <Paul--> ok
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765[05:01:48] <Paul--> resolvconf is a directory
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770[05:04:39] <jmcnaught> Paul--: check out
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784[05:14:26] <Trap-Chan> so it seems i need an archive manager.
i tried downloading p7zip but it turns out that's cli only. can
anyone recomend a good solution?
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789[05:15:46] <kajika> Trap-Chan, ark?
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799[05:22:31] <Trap-Chan> hrm. still getting "no suitable
archive manager available.
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803[05:26:46] <jmcnaught> Trap-Chan: what is telling you that?
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807[05:27:57] <Trap-Chan> thunar when i right click and say
"extract here" i guess?
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813[05:29:25] <jmcnaught> Trap-Chan: do you have
thunar-archive-plugin installed?
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814[05:30:24] <Trap-Chan> not unless the cd installed it by
default.
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815[05:31:33] <Trap-Chan> looks like i do.
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816[05:31:48] <jmcnaught> Trap-Chan: I don't use thunar but
the thunar package suggests thunar-archive-plugin, which recommends
xarchiver (>= 0.3.9.2beta2-2) | ark | file-roller | engrampa, so
any of those should work
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817[05:32:58] <Trap-Chan> is there a reason you don't use
thunar? I don't know what's good I'm just using what
the debian stretch dvd gave me.
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819[05:33:06] <Trap-Chan> debian stretch cd*
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822[05:33:59] <jmcnaught> You probably selected xfce in the
installer, I use GNOME which comes with nautilus
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825[05:35:06] <Trap-Chan> i only saw one option. then agian the
install was a pain in the butt because whoever made it didn't
concider that some people may be on devices with overscan.
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826[05:35:47] <Trap-Chan> I did XFCE but would likely have done
GNOME if I saw it since that's what we used when I was at UNI.
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828[05:36:44] <jmcnaught> I don't know then, maybe you used
an ISO that had xfce packages on it and you didn't have a
network connection during the install. You can easily install GNOME
now either by running 'tasksel' as root, or installing the
task-gnome-desktop package
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832[05:37:39] <Trap-Chan> yeah i did the netless install ISO
since my internet is out right now.
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874[06:11:07] <Trap-Chan> how does the panel and steamBP know
what packages i have installed? i have a game that launches from a
shell script that i'd like to add.
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875[06:12:14] <freshbtcer2> hello all! other then apt-get purge
mysql server client, where are the important conf files that hold db
and user info as well as root password? Trying to start over and it
messed up my installation
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936[06:57:36] <mender27> Morning :)
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954[07:06:23] <xuhui> hello everybody
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955[07:06:42] <mender27> xuhui: hello! :)
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957[07:07:10] <xuhui> :-)
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958[07:07:16] <Antares> Ń
Đ°Đč
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981[07:21:17] <Trap-Chan> just got my copy of mighty no 9
physical in and went to install it and it's giving me
permission denied.
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982[07:22:07] <mender27> Trap-Chan: what's mighty no 9
physical?
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983[07:22:24] <Trap-Chan> the physical copy of a game i backed
on kickstarter.
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984[07:23:00] <Trap-Chan> wow. 1.5 gig sh file...something tells
me there's more to that than a plain text script. :P
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987[07:24:09] <jmcnaught> Trap-Chan: the file should have come
with instructions from the people who provided it to you, but you
probably need to make it executable with chmod +x
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988[07:24:48] <Trap-Chan> it seems like the regeon of the
thumbdrive it's on is write protected so i couldn't chmod
it. coppied it and was able to.
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989[07:25:04] <Trap-Chan> but yeah absolutely no instructions. i
think linux was an afterthought.
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997[07:29:30] <Trap-Chan> and they didn't add it to
/usr/share/applications so I have to do that manually to add it to
steam.
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1013[07:41:03] <fru> Does anyone know how to get into single user
mode on Debian 3.1. I forgot my password.
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1015[07:42:28] <towo^work> use init=/bon/bash to kernel
commandline at grub prompt
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1016[07:42:31] <towo^work> grr
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1017[07:42:37] <towo^work> use init=/bin/bash to kernel
commandline at grub prompt
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1022[07:44:27] <Trap-Chan> wow. this doesn't run great on my
linux machine. i may just stick to using my gaming machine for it.
:P
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1029[07:48:53] <fru> Grub says omit is unrecognized command: 27.
This is Debian 3.1
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1030[07:49:00] <fru> Init
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1031[07:49:35] <towo^work> init not Init
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1034[07:50:05] <fru> init is unrecognized
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1035[07:50:51] <vlt> fru: Not as single command but as param to
the kernel line.
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1094[08:15:40] <Haohmaru> the issue from yesterday turned out to
be gpu-related.. i rebooted the computer (the ugly way) and then
there was semi-corrupted drawing of the screen during the BIOS, and
grub screens
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1099[08:16:49] <Haohmaru> i unplugged and replugged the gpu, and
now it doesn't even wake the monitor up
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1101[08:17:38] <Haohmaru> but this gpu has been repaired before,
in an ugly way, so it's probably not dead for the first time ;]
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1113[08:23:04] <Haohmaru> Ani-, yeah, geforce 6800GT
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1117[08:23:53] <Ani-> same happen to my 600ti
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1118[08:24:16] <Haohmaru> my collegue is blasting it with a hot
air gun right now ;P~
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1119[08:24:17] <fru> Probably since it's a USB keyboard
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1142[08:35:30] <Haohmaru> wooo, it works now
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1147[08:37:53] <Hukka> Hi. I'm having problems with a
Thinkpad T470 and a Thunderbolt3 to DisplayPort cable. For some
reasone the whole TB is dropped a few seconds after plugging the
cable in, and I can't really figure out why
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1149[08:39:17] <Hukka> Google says that the TB port should work
just fine with displays (on ubuntus, mints and whatnots), but I
can't really rule out that this cable itself (StarTech) is just
bad, as I don't have any other computers with TB.
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1169[08:48:27] <iodev> hi, I need help, I got an atheros QCA9377
and this is my dmesg log regarding firmware:
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1170[08:49:08] <iodev> I tried to install all required firmware
still, it can not load /pre-cal-pci-0000:03:00.0.bin (because it
doesn't exist in a package)
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1180[08:52:41] <jelly> iodev: does the device still fail to work?
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1181[08:53:08] <iodev> the device works, but if I try to use both
wifi & bluetooth, wifi slows down
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1182[08:53:18] <iodev> but I have firmware-5.bin and board-2.bin
loaded
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1183[08:53:30] <iodev> but it complains about not finding
pre-cal-...
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1184[08:53:37] <iodev> (which does not come packaged)
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1188[08:54:42] <jelly> lack of per-pci-slot-specific firmware
doesn't have to be related with bt issues
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1193[08:56:52] <no_gravity> Good Morning
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1194[08:57:04] <no_gravity> Hard links for directories are not
supported anymore?
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1195[08:57:07] <jelly> iodev: I think it's just a handy way
to be able to load different firmware if you want more than one
ath10k* device in the machine
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1196[08:57:13] <jelly> no_gravity: they never were
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1197[08:57:35] <iodev> jelly: ahh, ok
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1198[08:57:55] <no_gravity> jelly: Really? Interesting.
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1199[08:57:57] <iodev> maybe I should investigate the code, all I
want to know is if firmware-5.bin and board-2.bin are enough
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1200[08:58:09] <iodev> (and if I'm not missing something I
should have)
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1201[08:58:12] <no_gravity> jelly: It seems softlinks are not
fully transparent.
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1202[08:58:46] <no_gravity> Having a soft linked directory in a
replaced-url
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1207[08:59:15] <jelly> no_gravity: that's intentional on the
apache side
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1208[09:00:03] <no_gravity> Would be nice if one could link a
library into a project. Instead of having to copy it.
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1210[09:00:44] <jelly> no_gravity:
replaced-url
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1215[09:02:28] <no_gravity> jelly: I think the problem I
encounter is a different one. Might be on the PHP side.
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1216[09:02:33] <jelly> also, apache has Alias (mod_alias) to map
an URL path to a different place in the filesystem
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1218[09:03:14] <jelly> (and Redirect and Rewrite which are more
powerful and more complex)
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1221[09:04:01] <no_gravity> jelly: It's not about urls.
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1222[09:04:09] <no_gravity> jelly: It's about php scripts
including relative paths.
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1230[09:05:50] <no_gravity> if /a/b/f.php has
include("../lib.php") and y is a softlink to a/b then
/x/y/f.php looks for lib.php in /a/ rather then in /x/.
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1232[09:06:10] <no_gravity> Like it "knows" it's
in x.
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1235[09:06:40] <no_gravity> Like it "knows" it's
in a I mean.
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1236[09:06:44] <no_gravity> A confusing topic.
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1238[09:07:06] <no_gravity> I could swear I once solved this with
hardlinks in 2005.
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1239[09:07:10] <jelly> how about you show actual state
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1240[09:07:23] <no_gravity> show state?
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1241[09:07:37] <jelly> ls -ld /a/b/f.php /a/b /a/b/../lib.php
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1242[09:08:05] <no_gravity> I'm no linking the files. Im
linking the dir. It has trillions of files.
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1243[09:08:29] <no_gravity> And they change when the lib gets
updated. So I cannot always sync it by creating gazillions of links.
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1244[09:08:53] <jelly> still I'm afraid I can't help if
you avoid showing what's really there
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1253[09:10:45] <jelly> the invented example is more confusing
than explaining the issue
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1257[09:11:52] <no_gravity> Ok, here we go. I just made a real
examples with just 2 dirs and one file that shows the issue:
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1260[09:13:05] <no_gravity> a/a.php contains only this: <?php
echo __DIR__;
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1261[09:13:20] <no_gravity> then ln -s a b
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1262[09:13:26] <no_gravity> then php b/a.php
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1263[09:13:47] <no_gravity> shows: /a
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1264[09:13:57] <no_gravity> It thinks it's in dir a. While
it is in b.
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1266[09:14:37] <jelly> well, it's not in b
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1267[09:15:02] <no_gravity> Yeah, but it only works if it is in
b.
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1269[09:15:08] <no_gravity> So I guess a hardlink would solve it.
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1270[09:15:12] <jelly> what only works?
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1272[09:15:31] <no_gravity> The a.php looks for a config file in
"../config.php".
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1273[09:15:59] <no_gravity> So if you throw a/ into a project it
will read the projects config file.
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1274[09:16:09] <no_gravity> But that does not work if you just
softlink.
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1275[09:16:19] <jelly> that's how symlinks work
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1276[09:16:54] <no_gravity> And I wonder if I am halluzinating
that I solved that with a hardlink in 2005.
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1277[09:16:54] <jelly> more correctly, that's how .. works
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1279[09:17:34] <jelly> symlink is dereferenced at usage time, and
.. always points to the parent directory
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1283[09:18:18] <no_gravity> If hardlinks on directories never
were supported... maybe I solved it via mount?
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1284[09:18:29] <jelly> bind mount may work, maybe
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1285[09:18:37] <no_gravity> Ahh! Memories come up.
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1286[09:18:41] <no_gravity> I think that is what I did.
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1292[09:20:00] <no_gravity> Ah yes. And the ugly part is that you
have to put that into the boot sequence.
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1293[09:20:15] <no_gravity> Or you will just have an empty dir
where the "hardlink" should be.
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1294[09:20:17] <jelly> this design looks rather ugly, but I
don't know enough about php to say if that's the norm or
there's a better way to do things
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1295[09:20:36] <no_gravity> The norm is to copy the library into
the project.
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1296[09:20:40] <jelly> bind mounts can be put in fstab like other
mounts
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1299[09:21:02] <jelly> no_gravity: or the library should
reference config by "../foo"
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1300[09:21:06] <jelly> shouldn't*
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1301[09:21:22] <no_gravity> jelly: How should she reference it?
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1302[09:21:38] <jelly> give it parameters when you call it, dunno
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1305[09:23:53] <jelly> a named parameter telling where the config
is, and only use ../foo as backward-compatible fallback?
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1307[09:24:57] <no_gravity> Well, it does not really always get
"called". It's more like a module. If you throw it
into /yourproject/themodule/ then users can access it at
yourserver.com/themodule/
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1309[09:25:18] <no_gravity> So it get's executed directly
without interacting with your code.
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1310[09:25:24] <no_gravity> Pretty convenient.
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1312[09:25:55] <jelly> that sounds horrible
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1313[09:26:02] <no_gravity> How so?
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1316[09:26:58] <jelly> something appears in web URL namespace and
gets used automatically, but doesn't rely on URL namespace and
instead searches for files on the filesystem?
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1319[09:27:21] <no_gravity> Well it's a module for a certain
dashboard.
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1320[09:27:27] <no_gravity> It fits in perfectly.
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1321[09:27:31] <jelly> is this how php does things?
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1323[09:27:43] <no_gravity> php is a turing complete language
like any other.
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1324[09:28:10] <jelly> that's not a compliment
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1325[09:28:16] <no_gravity> Usually coders (no matter which
language) copy libraries into their project.
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1326[09:28:42] <no_gravity> But since this module is used in many
projects on a certain server, I would like to de-duplicate it.
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1327[09:28:52] <no_gravity> So updating it once updates all
projects for example.
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1328[09:29:09] <jelly> usually, distro maintainers then tear
embedded code copies out and try to keep _one_ copy of some code in
a distro
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1329[09:29:28] <no_gravity> Well, distros are a different topic
then server software.
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1330[09:30:20] <no_gravity> Not sure if you know packagist, npm,
rubygems, pip etc.
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1331[09:30:21] <jelly> copies of same code in many places are
everyone's maintenance pain; distros just try to solve it one
way
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1333[09:30:48] <no_gravity> Do you code projects in any web
environment like PHP, Node, Python, Ruby?
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1334[09:31:00] <jelly> no, I'm not a coder
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1335[09:31:06] <no_gravity> I see.
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1337[09:31:23] <no_gravity> Because that is how all these
environments handle it. Libraries get copied into the project.
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1338[09:31:33] <jelly> this is frankly disgusting :-)
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1340[09:32:14] <no_gravity> It is. But well, "dll hell"
was not that easy to handle either :)
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1342[09:32:27] <jelly> (it's just fine for development, but
not deployment)
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1343[09:32:59] * no_gravity needs to get the first coffee of the day...
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1353[09:38:00] <nehemiah> I have a nvidia optimus card in my
laptop. In Linux mint I can switch manually between Intel and
Nvidia. How can I get this to work in Debian?
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1358[09:39:16] <babilen> nehemiah: You install and configure
bumblebee
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1359[09:39:39] <babilen> dpkg: tell nehemiah about bumblebee
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1366[09:42:57] <Hukka> Woah. After an hour of tweaking all the
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1368[09:44:25] <zaoqi> How can I get the minimal root
filesystem?(armhf/armel)
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1376[09:46:36] <klys> zaoqi, it all starts with unpacking
replaced-url
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1379[09:47:06] <klys> for more automated work, try debootstrap
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1394[09:53:38] <iodev> question, should I run compton before or
after I start i3wm (in xinitrc)
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1403[09:56:07] <iodev> nvm the question, doesn't work
otherwise :D
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1406[09:58:37] <g0zzy> I have a Thinkpad T410 here that is quite
sniffy about booting from a USB stick. It starts well and i think
it's all going well, then i find i'm at the Debian 8 login
dialog - which is quite a feat, having 'nearly' booted a
completely different OS. What do you think could be going on there?
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1408[10:00:46] <klys> it would have rebooted because of a triple
fault, most likely overheating
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1420[10:04:11] <g0zzy> Well, in normal operation, no sign of
thermal issues ever arises
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1422[10:04:36] <mender27> Morning :).
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1439[10:12:06] <mender27> Is it still possible to install and
configure an alternative init system on Debian?
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1443[10:14:07] <babilen> mender27: Sure, they might not be as
well tested and/or integrated, but you can install and use them
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1445[10:14:41] <mender27> babilen: I just looked into the package
repositories and apparently runit is packaged with some systemd
integration even :). I'll have a look, thanks!
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1447[10:15:44] <mender27> I guess my next step is learning how to
package for Debian then.
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1448[10:16:14] <HeXiLeD> any issues disabling PackageKit Daemon
from systemctl ?
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1451[10:16:38] <babilen> mender27: In the end it depends on how
much you care, what you expect to gain by it, how much work you are
willing to do in order to deal with bugs that weren't reported
(due to little exposure) and how much you know about dealing with
them in a productive manner
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1454[10:17:41] <babilen> In the end having multiple well
integrated and functioning init systems would be great, but time and
resources are finite, so I'd expect systemd to be the
"safest" choice for now
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1473[10:26:00] <mender27> babilen: yes, I'm fully aware of
that :). I did try runit once on Jessie and was quite happy with it,
but it's not a top priority for me. I'd rather help with
bug testing and packaging for the stuff that matters a bit more.
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1477[10:26:45] <mender27> That's why I'm running
vanilla Sid with Openbox on my main workstation. The rest runs
Stretch.
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1479[10:27:07] <babilen> Fair enough, have fun! :)
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1480[10:27:31] <mender27> Thanks a lot! Though there is way too
many interesting things to do at once ;D.
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1509[10:42:09] <gpunk> I upgraded my jessie to stretch , I ended
up have a couple of issues
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1510[10:42:30] <gpunk> I cant activate php_pgsql
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1511[10:42:40] <gpunk> and firewalld wont restart
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1512[10:42:49] <gpunk> any help ?
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1516[10:45:20] <leibniz> yea
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1517[10:45:27] <leibniz> i also need to install weechat 1.9
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1540[10:53:53] <zxd> what prints "you have new mail in
/var/spool/ ...." message to the terminal
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1548[10:55:39] <darsie> How do I make firefox display pdfs in
okular? I set Applications/pdf to okular, but it still opens them in
gimp, and only when I click the pdf in the download arrow menu, not
right after clicking the pdf link.
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1549[10:56:18] <darsie> ahh, there's another pdf setting ...
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1550[10:56:51] <gpunk> g0zzy: thnx,, I saw it beeing disabled, so
I enabled it with php5enmod pgsql
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1551[10:56:51] <gpunk> php5enmod pdo_pgsql
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1552[10:57:04] <gpunk> still no luck
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1554[10:57:07] <darsie> works now
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1590[11:06:20] <gpunk> firewalld is fixed now, but for php_pgsql
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1595[11:06:42] <gpunk> it is installing
php-pgsql_1%3a7.0+49_all.deb
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1596[11:06:51] <gpunk> and I have php5 , is that normal ?
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1599[11:08:01] <jelly> it's normal for jessie, less normal
for stretch
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1600[11:08:35] <gpunk> my website based on postgresql doesnt work
anymore, I am really stuck
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1604[11:11:01] <thms> I've been trying to cron this for so
many days: 9 11 * * * /sbin/iptables -I INPUT -s 163.172.16.181 -p
tcp --dport 443 -j ACCEPT
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1605[11:11:06] <thms> what's wrong with it ?
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1606[11:11:13] <thms> I placed in /etc/cron.d/afi
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1607[11:11:19] <thms> afi is name chosen by me
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1611[11:13:34] <jelly> thms: that's a global crontab file,
so you're missing the username column after time definition,
before the command
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1614[11:14:00] <jelly> 9 11 * * * root /sbin/iptables -I INPUT -s
163.172.16.181 -p tcp --dport 443 -j ACCEPT
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1618[11:15:00] <jelly> thms: man 5 crontab, there's a
section called "Jobs in /etc/cron.d/"
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1619[11:15:05] <thms> damn it
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1620[11:15:15] <thms> 2 days for that :D;, thanks
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1622[11:15:42] <jelly> finding the right manual to read can be
fun, eh
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1630[11:20:35] <Donatas> Hi debianphiles
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1631[11:21:04] <Donatas> Could someone explain why debian stretch
out of the box doesn't even support usb android phone, when
jessy version did ?
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1632[11:21:27] <Donatas> Whats the deal, why its going backwards
?
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1633[11:21:43] <Donatas> I'm using debian xfce
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1634[11:22:27] <Donatas> device seam to be recognised by OS which
I have checked using a command that I do not remember anymore
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1635[11:22:33] <Donatas> but it doesn't mount
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1637[11:23:15] <vlt> thms: You can run `crontab -e` to edit your
user crontab file directly.
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1638[11:23:19] <Donatas> Anyone ? Any suggestions ? Just to let
you I did try to instal mtp-tools
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1639[11:23:31] <thms> vlt, yes, I know that :) thanks!
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1642[11:23:50] <Donatas> p.s. windows 10 works fine, no crashes,
no blue screens
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1643[11:23:51] <thms> But we prefer to keep em in directories
with names related so it doesnt get a mess whre nyou have 1k users
:)
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1648[11:25:14] <Silvester> hey guys, sorry to bother you -
i'm sort of new to the whole *nix thing, but i can't help
but notice that after uninstalling evolution (sudo apt-get remove
evolution) even after a few days the evolution processes (daemons?)
are still running
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1649[11:25:24] <Silvester> perhaps i did this the wrong way
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1650[11:25:27] <Silvester> how do i get rid of those
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1652[11:26:31] <Silvester>
replaced-url
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1653[11:26:39] <thms> does crontab -r* remove something ? (I
don't want ot try)
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1654[11:27:10] <Donatas> Silvester: As far as I can tell,
evolution is highly integrated into the system with Gnome desktop
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1655[11:27:32] <Silvester> thms: is it save to just remove all
current crontabs like that?
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1656[11:27:48] <Silvester> Donatas: :( so, even if I want to use
another mail client, I am stuck with evo's background things?
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1657[11:27:58] <thms> Silvester, someone accidently typed this.
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1658[11:28:13] <Silvester> that's a very
Microsoft-brings-you-Windows-98 kind of deal with the integration
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1659[11:28:27] <Silvester> i don't want to accidentally type
that hahaha
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1661[11:28:33] <thms> crontab: invalid option -- '*' @
Silvester :)
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1669[11:29:26] <Donatas> Silvester: Thats what ubuntu team had to
go through to decouple evolution from the system so that user have a
choice, on debian it is still there integrated. You can remove, but
then you need to know exacly all the packages... In some cases, from
my experience, its impossible to truly remove without breaking the
order of packages
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1671[11:30:03] <Silvester> thanks Donatas!
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1672[11:30:09] <Silvester> that's rather unfortunate... but
I can live with it
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1673[11:30:27] <Silvester> I'm loving Debian so far, been a
Windows user up until a few days ago :) thank you all for the
experience
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1674[11:30:38] <mender27> Does anyone have experience with Debian
on iMacs? I have this late-2009 Intel iMac that unfortunately is too
old for MacOS X, but can be converted to a reasonably fast Linux
machine (Core Duo 2 GHz, 2GB RAM, Radeon X1600 graphics).
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1675[11:30:51] <mender27> Silvester: welcome to the new world! :D
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1679[11:31:17] <Donatas> You could leave some packages that are
there, its not a bit deal, not big footprint. I would probably even
leave evolution and use other client
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1680[11:31:32] <Donatas> ps. xfce doesnt have evolution
integration
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1681[11:31:46] <Donatas> not sure about other desktop env
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1682[11:32:00] <gpunk> jelly: I fixed it :)
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1683[11:32:18] <mender27> Donatas: I thought only GNOME3 has
Evolution integration, no?
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1685[11:32:49] <Donatas> mender27: Yes I think so also, but not
sure about mate, cinnamon
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1686[11:33:22] <Silvester> mender27 : I saw somebody running Mint
on an iMac from that era, so presumably it should run fine? I have
no experience with it myself though. also thanks! :)
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1689[11:34:43] <Silvester> there seems to be a guide on the
Debian wiki for a 10.1 iMac (27 inch, late 2009) model. doesn't
seem to be complete though :o
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1691[11:35:00] <mender27> Silvester: ah, Mint? Then Debian with
some tweaking (especially for the Broadcom wireless chip) would
probably be fine. I just hope it's not the 32-bit EFI model.I
could also open it up to see what I'm up against :D.
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1692[11:35:35] <Silvester> good luck! :)
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1694[11:37:18] <mender27> Ah, I might actually be lucky, because
this model has an Atheros wifi! Much like the partially broken
MacBook (non-Pro) from the same vintage, I guess. Will investigate
and do a write-up perchance.
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1705[11:40:32] <Trap-Chan> is there a way to know if this product
will have debian friendly drivers?
replaced-url
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1710[11:44:19] <kmlsls> I need to setup 3 primary dns server for
my company, I am using ansible for server configuration, Can I use
my 3 dns servers without using master/slave?
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1711[11:45:08] <mender27> Trap-Chan: apart from googling the
model, I wouldn't know, but I think it should. No reason Linux
should not have Bluray support :).
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1712[11:45:14] <enyc> kmlsls: i used to have asscripted system
that scp'ed data files to each server ;p
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1714[11:45:56] <kmlsls> enyc: my dns is managed by ansible too
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1715[11:46:04] <Trap-Chan> mender27, I didn't know if BD had
like manu specific chips and you needed exactly the right
propriatary drivers to get the most out of your hardware.
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1716[11:46:09] <enyc> kmlsls: ok i dont know all about ansible
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1718[11:46:44] <kmlsls> my questiones, is about dns? do I need
master/slave?
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1719[11:46:51] <Trap-Chan> also do you guys know how a slotload
drive like that would handle being mounted horizontally instead of
vertically? or how well they handle non uniform sized disks?
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1720[11:46:57] <kmlsls> if copy my data using an external tool
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1722[11:47:44] <enyc> kmlsls: how does the DATA get into the dns
servers?
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1723[11:47:52] <enyc> kmlsls: i mean i know the basic serevr
config managed by ansible
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1724[11:48:01] <enyc> kmlsls: but what about all the A/AAAA
records etc etc
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1726[11:49:25] <Trap-Chan> so weird. widevine keeps crashing. i
wonder if it's because i switched from my neighbor's
internet back to mine since mine got reconnected?
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1728[11:51:21] <mender27> Trap-Chan: unfortunately, optical
drives are something I'm not familiar with :D.
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1732[11:51:39] <mender27> At least not on such an intimate level.
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1733[11:51:52] <kmlsls> enyc: the data is managed by ansible too
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1738[11:54:11] <enyc> kmlsls: withotu nknowing ansixle
specifically, i would have thought//expected it could just put data
into all the auth servers separately, no need to use AXFR protocol
per-se. This way, you avoid ''master'' serevr
benig down and none of the others being able to update etc.
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1740[11:54:42] <enyc> kmlsls: there is a #ansible channel on
freenode.....
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1742[11:55:16] <kmlsls> enyc: thanks, but the question was about,
I can avoid master/slave
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1743[11:55:21] <kmlsls> anyway thanks
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1744[11:55:38] <enyc> kmlsls: well that what i was saying
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1748[11:55:52] <enyc> kmlsls: if ansible can put all the data
into all the dns servers directly, all of them being
'masters' ...
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1751[11:56:02] <enyc> kmlsls: then you don't need AXFR
master//slave i would think
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1753[11:56:12] <enyc> kmlsls: but be SPECIFIC -- what did you
MEAN by ''master//slave''
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1757[11:56:37] <kmlsls> enync: I will try to check the dns rfc
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1760[11:56:48] <enyc> kmlsls: aurgh there be dragons
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1762[11:57:09] <enyc> kmlsls: AXFR basically just refers to dns
duplication by port 53 dns connections, making an AXFR request ;p
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1764[11:57:41] <enyc> kmlsls:
replaced-url
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1779[12:04:25] <bezaban> multi-master authorative should be ok as
long as you're not dynamically updating the zone and keep them
in sync
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1907[13:06:30] <Vizva> i did a install on a usb encrypted with
debian 9.its Sandisk Ultra Stick.It say cryptsetup lvm isnt
avalaible.But i have another stick a sandisk Extremme .it work
there. someone maybe know why . in openbsd i can install too on the
ultra but i takes some times to identify, searching for the scsii
ports
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1912[13:08:32] <xuhui> hi
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1913[13:08:41] <mender27> xuhui: hello again ;D
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1933[13:19:12] <xuhui> :D
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1939[13:23:56] <gpunk> hi since I updated jessie to stretch,
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1940[13:24:11] <gpunk> I get IPs instead of hostnames with w who
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1941[13:24:16] <gpunk> any ideas ?
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1944[13:25:10] <enyc> gpunk: hrrm i do too
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1945[13:25:18] <gpunk> ;)
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1956[13:29:46] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
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1957[13:30:12] <babilen> Afternoon, what can we do for you?
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1965[13:32:22] <BluesKaj> Hi babilen, nothing yet, I did have an
odd shutdown last night tho, a stop job that took 90 secs to
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1969[13:33:19] <babilen> And you came here to ask about that?
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1970[13:33:24] <BluesKaj> no menu were apps open at the time
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1972[13:34:08] <BluesKaj> not specifically
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1975[13:34:38] <apollo13> ah the joys of systemd on shutdown, are
you using gdm3? :D
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1978[13:37:01] <BluesKaj> apollo13, no, kde/plasma
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1983[13:44:56] <gpunk> enyc: and no fix about that ?
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1987[13:46:49] <donatas> If anyone is maintaining debian distros,
gvfs-backends should be installed by default on debian stretch xfce,
as without it thunar would not auto-mount USB mobile device
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1991[13:49:43] <Vizva> i think the chip in the extreme stick is
low quality
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1992[13:49:53] <Vizva> no worng in the ultra stick
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1993[13:49:55] <Vizva> wrong
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1995[13:50:02] <Vizva> the extreme stick is good
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1997[13:51:04] <armin> donatas: sure everybody would want that
just because they install a graphical environment? (i'm not
maintaining one, i'm just curious...)
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1999[13:52:28] <iodev> Vizva: you mean kingston?
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2000[13:52:39] <Vizva> sandisk
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2001[13:52:45] <iodev> ahh, ok
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2003[13:53:03] <Vizva> i have extreme sticks i can use them near
like a ssd
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2007[13:53:29] <Vizva> but the ultry stick isnt so good not so
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2008[13:53:37] <Vizva> +a
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2009[13:53:40] <donatas> assuming that everyone has a mobile and
its quite likely they would plug it as usb device MTP mode, I would
say its a must feature to work and without this package thunar
can't automount USB MTP device
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2010[13:54:12] <iodev> I just use command line
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2011[13:54:13] <iodev> and jmptfs
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but GUI is probably still the future for most users
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2017[13:54:56] <donatas> besides, automation is the way forward
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2019[13:55:11] <iodev> GUI, GUI, please donatas, the command line
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still, just because there is manual gearbox and petrol engines,
doesn't mean you need to refuse automatic gearboxes and
electric cars
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2036[14:03:56] <mitmf> sudo pip install pybombs
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2037[14:03:56] <mitmf> bash: sudo: command not found <—
what’s wrong?
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2038[14:04:15] <tremolo> Nothing. All is as it should be.
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2041[14:04:27] <mitmf> why i cant’ install it?
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2042[14:04:34] <tremolo> Do you have sudo installed?
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2045[14:06:15] <jelly> mitmf: avoid running pip install as root,
that way lies pain and suffering
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2047[14:06:33] <jelly> set up virtualenv and install whatever you
want in there
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2048[14:07:19] <mitmf> virtualenv
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2049[14:07:33] <mitmf> tremolo: how can i install sudo?
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2051[14:08:30] <tremolo> as root: apt install sudo
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2052[14:08:36] <mitmf> oh
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2055[14:09:02] <tremolo> Or, if you're already root,
don't worry about it and just don't run sudo.
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2056[14:09:20] <mitmf> tremolo: i m user now instead of root
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2059[14:09:47] <mitmf> jelly: how can i install virtualenv?
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2064[14:13:09] <jelly> mitmf: it's in virtualenv package.
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2065[14:13:45] <jelly> mitmf: use "su -" with
root's password in a terminal to open a root shell
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2067[14:14:22] <mitmf> ok thanks
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2068[14:14:43] <jelly> mitmf: if you prefer sudo, install sudo,
add your normal user to sudo group: "adduser username
sudo", log off and back on
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2084[14:17:57] <kurolox> Hello! I'm looking to do a headless
debian install in my server, since it won't be running a
display. Is it worth it, or should I just attach a screen and run
the usual debian install?
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2085[14:17:58] <CQ> does anacron run daily, hourly, or every
minute?
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2087[14:18:27] <mitmf> adduser username sudo <— this is
required? jelly ?
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2092[14:19:28] <mitmf> adduser abc sudo
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2093[14:19:29] <mitmf> bash: adduser: command not found
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2094[14:19:37] <mitmf> jelly: what’s wrong?
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2095[14:20:03] <evolution_> using dpkg-split and then uploading
to my apt server will whole package will be installed or only a part
of it?
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2097[14:20:57] <tremolo> kurolox: Are you asking about doing the
install with no screen attached, or whether it's worth not
installing a desktop environment package?
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2098[14:22:20] <tremolo> kurolox: The latter, definitely; the
former, maybe.
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2100[14:22:42] <kurolox> The first one. I could attach a screen
to the server to make the install easier, but it's not that
accesible so I'd rather not.
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2101[14:22:51] <SuperSeriouCat> mitmf, you got to do "sudo
adduser"
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2102[14:22:56] <tremolo> mitmf: Are you root?
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2105[14:23:50] <mitmf> sudo adduser
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2106[14:23:51] <mitmf> sudo: unable to resolve host CDE
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2107[14:23:51] <mitmf> adduser: Only one or two names allowed.
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2108[14:24:14] <tremolo> kurolox: I've done installs over
ssh, but I had a monitor attached to walk through the menus and load
the ssh module, get an ip address, etc.
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2111[14:25:02] <kurolox> tremolo I'll get working on that,
then. Does the debian installer have an option for not installing a
DE or graphical drivers?
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2112[14:25:17] <kurolox> or should I remove them post-install?
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2113[14:25:18] <tremolo> Well, I guess I've done debootstrap
installs, but that's a little different.
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2114[14:25:23] <mitmf> tremolo: and SuperSeriouCat ?
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2116[14:25:43] <tremolo> kurolox: Should be able to just not
select the desktop tasks during install.
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2117[14:25:49] <SuperSeriouCat> mitmf, copy your whole line here
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2118[14:26:14] <mitmf> sudo adduser
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2119[14:26:15] <mitmf> sudo: unable to resolve host CDE
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2120[14:26:15] <mitmf> adduser: Only one or two names allowed.
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2122[14:27:04] <SuperSeriouCat> You need to add the name of your
user after. "sudo adduser <name>"
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2124[14:27:52] <mitmf> adduser username sudo <— i
already do it. SuperSeriouCat
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2126[14:28:17] <tremolo> The point of adding yourself to the sudo
group is so you can use sudo. If you can use sudo to do this, then
you don't need to.
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2130[14:29:15] <mitmf> sudo pip install pybombs
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2131[14:29:16] <mitmf> sudo: unable to resolve host CDE.
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2132[14:29:17] <mitmf> sudo: pip: command not found. tremolo
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2133[14:29:48] <mitmf> but host can’t use sudo tremolo
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2147[14:33:21] <SuperSeriouCat> You dont have access to "su
root"? If you do edit /etc/sudoers and add your name with the
same arguments as root user down in the document
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2148[14:33:37] <mitmf> SuperSeriouCat: what’s wrong?
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2159[14:38:02] <mitmf>
replaced-url
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2160[14:38:06] <`Kevin> mitmf: does your machine hostname match
within /etc/hosts? sounds like you renamed your host but didnt
update the fil
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2161[14:38:14] <`Kevin> or well exactly that
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2162[14:38:29] <mitmf> `Kevin: thanks i will try it
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2164[14:38:49] <mitmf> why debian is too difficult to use?
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2165[14:38:51] <mitmf> :(
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2171[14:39:59] <drinks2go> hey all
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2172[14:40:08] <mitmf> `Kevin: thanks i changed hostname before
but i never change /etc/hosts file :)
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2174[14:40:32] <drinks2go> Can someone please answer is it safe
to put a system account into gid 100 ?
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2175[14:40:43] <drinks2go> I am in permissions hell
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2176[14:40:46] <mitmf> sudo pip install pybombs
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2177[14:40:47] <mitmf> sudo: pip: command not found
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2178[14:40:50] <BluesKaj> mitmf, you must change both host files
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2179[14:40:59] <mitmf> oh good thanks :)
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2180[14:41:13] <mitmf> BluesKaj: anyway what’s wrong?
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2182[14:41:52] <BluesKaj> change /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname
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2183[14:42:05] <mitmf> BluesKaj: i did it already
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2185[14:42:12] <BluesKaj> ok
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2187[14:42:14] <mitmf> sudo: pip: command not found <—
BluesKaj what’s wrong?
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2194[14:44:03] <drinks2go> anybody? system account into users
group? danger? no big deal?
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2197[14:44:47] <tremolo> mitmf: Do you have pip installed?
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2198[14:44:55] <BluesKaj> pip, what does that do? I meant if ou
want to change your hostname you must change it in both /etc/hosts
and /etc/hostname
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2199[14:45:00] <mitmf> tremolo: but there is no pip
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2200[14:45:18] <tremolo> Well, you're telling sudo to run
pip as root.
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2201[14:45:21] <mitmf> sudo apt-get install pip
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2204[14:45:28] <mitmf> there is no pip
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2206[14:45:45] <tremolo> That's what sudo is telling you.
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2207[14:45:57] <`Kevin> ^
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2208[14:46:34] <mitmf> sudo apt-get install python-pip
<— this is correct?
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2210[14:47:00] <jolt> mitmf: yes. But I usually do this instead:
apt get install python-setuptools ; easy_install pip
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2211[14:47:08] <jolt> Because then you get the latest version of
pip
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2212[14:47:18] <jolt> If you don't need it, well, then
python-pip is perfect
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2213[14:47:44] <mitmf> then i will do ‘sudo apt-get install
python-pip'
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2214[14:47:50] <jolt> +1
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2215[14:47:51] <mitmf> debian is too hard to me
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2216[14:47:55] <mitmf> :(
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2219[14:48:42] <jolt> mitmf: You're doing great
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2222[14:48:50] <mitmf> thanks :)
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2223[14:48:51] <kurolox> tremolo I'm done with the install,
but after booting it this happens
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2225[14:48:53] <kurolox>
replaced-url
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2227[14:49:29] <kurolox> I'll brb
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2229[14:49:44] <drinks2go> ?
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2230[14:49:55] <tremolo> So, /dev/sdc1 does not exist. Did it
change when you removed the install media?
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2232[14:50:09] <yoyoweqw> hi
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2236[14:50:25] <soso> hello
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2238[14:50:36] <kurolox> I'm not sure, since I can't
check fdisk right now
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2241[14:50:55] <kurolox> Right now the only storage plugged in is
the one that haves debian installed
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2243[14:51:05] <tremolo> Can you `ls /dev/sd*`?
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2247[14:52:09] <kurolox> there's dev/sda and dev/sdb (also
sdb1, sdb2 and sdb5)
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2254[14:53:42] <`Kevin> kurolox: try mounting whichever partition
is your rootfs and editing etc/fstab (update it to sdb from sdc)
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2255[14:54:05] <`Kevin> im guessing sdb2 or sdb5
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2256[14:54:28] <`Kevin> <- afk
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2258[14:55:09] <`Kevin> ah sorry also I think busybox has a vi
for editing iirc
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2262[14:55:36] <tremolo> I'm guessing sdb1, assuming
there's no sda1. The partition number wouldn't have
changed.
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2264[14:57:21] <zaoqi> How can I get the minimal root
filesystem?(armhf,armel) Kindle will halt when running debootstrap.
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2270[14:58:54] <BluesKaj> kurolox, tremolo what about e2fsck
/dev/sda and the other partitions?
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2289[15:05:34] <kurolox> it seems like I can't mount any of
them
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2290[15:06:21] <kurolox> I've done 'mkdir mount'
and 'mount /dev/sdXY /mount', but it says that
there's no such file or directory
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2292[15:06:39] <kurolox> ls
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2299[15:08:33] <kurolox> also BluesKaj, it complains about not
finding any media on dev/sda
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2300[15:08:57] <kurolox> same with dev/sdb
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2302[15:10:48] <BluesKaj> kurolox, ok, I see it now ..is there
more than one drive whether usb or sata hdd ?
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2303[15:11:00] <kurolox> no
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2305[15:11:09] <BluesKaj> ok, not good
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2307[15:11:25] <kurolox> actually sorry, I was wrong
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2309[15:11:45] <kurolox> e2fsck detects dev/sdb, but the message
was quite similar compared to dev/sda
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2310[15:11:54] <kurolox> it complains about bad magic number in
super-block
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replaced-url
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2314[15:13:35] <BluesKaj> is the an option offered to fix like
yes or no?
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2315[15:13:45] <kurolox> no
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2316[15:13:51] <kurolox> just what you see
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2317[15:14:02] <kurolox> I've tried running e2fsck with that
two superblocks, but I get the same output
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2321[15:15:17] <kurolox> I'll try installing debian again,
but this time watching carefully the partitioning
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2332[15:17:13] <tremolo> kurolox: BluesKaj: /dev/sdb doesn't
contain a filesystem. It contains a partition table.
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2336[15:18:42] <BluesKaj> kurolox, did you use separate / (root)
and /home partitions , it's a good policy that can save time
and all your config settinhs if you ned to reinstall then just
reinstall to / and set the mountpoint for /home without reformatting
it
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2340[15:19:28] <tremolo> That's why /dev/sdb{1,2,5} exist,
and one or more of them likely contain filesystems. I expect
/dev/sdb1 to contain the root filesystem.
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2341[15:19:59] <kurolox> Actually I just went for the simple
install with everything in the same partition
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2345[15:21:03] <BluesKaj> is this a UEFI or BIOS pc ?
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2349[15:22:00] <kurolox> bios
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2354[15:23:51] <CQ> do debian systems automatically run ntp /
ntpdate or something like that? I have a machine whose time is off
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2358[15:24:52] <BluesKaj> kurolox, then installing should be
simple and easy, unless you have valuable data on any of the
partitions
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2368[15:26:06] <kurolox> I don't have any valuable data. I
did a full install in the drive, using a single partition. I'm
doing it again just to be sure
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2369[15:27:14] <BluesKaj> kurolox, suggest you use gparted live
media to reset your partiton(s)
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2370[15:27:20] <Ormu> CQ: systemd-timesyncd seems to be running
on my computer at least
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2371[15:27:53] <kurolox> BluesKaj I'll probably just zero
the drive
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2374[15:28:10] <kurolox> if this time it doesn't work, I
mean
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2375[15:28:17] <BluesKaj> just format it
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2400[15:39:45] <kurolox> BluesKaj
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2401[15:39:48] <kurolox> same stuff happens
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2403[15:40:30] <kurolox> when installing debian it was installing
to /dev/sdc
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2404[15:40:55] <kurolox> but after removing the install USB it
seems like it's now /dev/sdb, and the system is trying to
launch /dev/sdc
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2411[15:44:34] <JPT> Use uuids to circumvent this issue
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2419[15:49:24] <forcerecon> what is the command to see what
version of something is in the repos? Is there a way
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2420[15:49:28] <BluesKaj> kurolox, remove the other partitions
with gparted and create a new ext4
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2421[15:49:38] <JPT> apt-cache search something
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2422[15:50:05] <JPT> The version should be included in there ...
i hope
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2433[15:53:42] <kurolox> BluesKaj does this looks good?
replaced-url
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2437[15:55:36] <BluesKaj> kurolox, yes
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2439[15:55:50] <kurolox> so do I install again?
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2441[15:56:14] <forcerecon> Hey BluesKaj...
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2443[15:56:29] <BluesKaj> yes kurolox , go for it :-)
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2452[15:59:47] <kurolox> So BluesKaj, do I use a guided
partitioning method or do I go manual and select the ext4 partition?
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2456[16:01:14] <zaoqi> How can I get the minimal root
filesystem?(armhf,armel) Kindle will halt when running debootstrap.
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2461[16:03:05] <aleogala> i am trying to get debian to run in
console-mode (ctrl alt f1) with two monitors but with each monitor
showing a separate terminal. is that possible?
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2464[16:03:44] <aleogala> i know I can split terminals with tmux,
but for that to be usable this way I would first need to make linux
recognise the two screens as one so that I can "expand"
tmux onto the second screen
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2465[16:03:54] <aleogala> does anyone have an idea on how to
achieve that?
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2466[16:04:07] <klys> aleogala, perhaps with two graphical
terminal emulators
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2467[16:04:34] <klys> virtual terminals are not supported by
systemd-logind.
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2469[16:04:51] <aleogala> klys: yes, but for that i would need x
running. I want the system to be headless eventually
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2471[16:05:22] <klys> aleogala, consider that you may need to
disable virtual terminal support in your kernel
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2472[16:05:47] <klys> read about multiseat
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2473[16:06:33] <aleogala> klys: i will look into that, thanks
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2480[16:08:54] <zaoqi> How can I get the minimal root
filesystem?(armhf,armel) Kindle will halt when running debootstrap.
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2482[16:09:28] <klys> zaoqi, have you tried running
/lib/ld-linux.so.3 yet?
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2484[16:10:11] <zaoqi> klys, why run it?
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2485[16:10:21] <klys> zaoqi, to make sure it's working
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2487[16:10:40] <BluesKaj> kurolox, I always use manual, then you
have more control over the partitoning
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2492[16:11:19] <zaoqi> klys, Kindle will install some
packages,then halt.
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2494[16:11:52] <klys> zaoqi, i'm afraid you need a bit more
than an amazon kindle to install debian.
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2495[16:12:11] <Ormu> so Virtualbox is excluded from Debian
Stable repos because the devs do not maintain a "stable"
version of their software by pushing patches, but instead bump the
version number constantly and apply bugfixes to new version? Is that
even partially correct?
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2496[16:12:41] <Ormu> (I mean, did I understand it correctly?)
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2499[16:13:17] <klys> ormu, debian bumps versions of patched
packages, yes
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2501[16:14:03] <zaoqi> klys, so I'm using Ubuntu,minimal
root filesystem:replaced-url
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2503[16:14:35] <klys> zaoqi, so does the linker-loader run for
you, or not?
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2509[16:15:44] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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2517[16:18:18] <Ormu> greycat: yeah... that's what i
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2530[16:23:29] <cesurasean> can you guys help me solve a driver
issue?
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2531[16:23:36] <cesurasean> its on post at start up
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2532[16:23:40] <cesurasean> on jessie
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2535[16:23:54] <greycat> If it's during POST, it's not
related to drivers.
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2536[16:23:55] <tx> Tell us what's up first
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2537[16:23:57] <tx> we might. :)
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2538[16:23:58] <cesurasean> b43-phy0
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2539[16:24:05] <cesurasean> driverfirmware needed
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2541[16:24:22] <cesurasean> i have an old dell inspiron that wont
load some card in it
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2542[16:24:33] <cesurasean> maybe the wifi card
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2543[16:24:36] <cesurasean> or something
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2545[16:24:46] <greycat> cesurasean: is this during an install,
or is the system already installed? Does the system have Internet
access some other way, e.g. via ethernet cable?
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2546[16:24:52] <cesurasean> on post
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2548[16:24:57] <cesurasean> system is installed and functional
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2550[16:25:08] <tremolo> b43 is broadcom wireless; not during
post, but during boot.
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2551[16:25:14] <greycat> POST is the firmware's start-up,
BEFORE GRUB loads, BEFORE Linux loads.
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2553[16:25:27] <cesurasean> bah
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2554[16:25:35] <cesurasean> its on the before linux loads
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2555[16:25:46] <cesurasean> yeh
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2556[16:25:48] <cesurasean> during boot
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2557[16:25:56] <cesurasean> ok how do i install this broadcom
driver
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2558[16:25:59] <greycat> If the system boots, then just *ignore*
what the BIOS/Firmware is saying.
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2559[16:26:01] <cesurasean> and why isnt it loaded auto with
jessie
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2560[16:26:06] <cesurasean> no
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2561[16:26:08] <cesurasean> its annoying
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2564[16:26:14] <cesurasean> how do i install the driver lol
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2566[16:26:21] <cesurasean> and why isnt it part of the OS
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2567[16:26:27] <cesurasean> this is a really old laptop
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2569[16:26:42] <tremolo> It's missing firmware, which
isn't included because of licensing issues.
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2571[16:26:51] <greycat> cesurasean: run lspci -nn and find the
line for your device and paste the line here
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2575[16:27:29] <cesurasean> that just gives me the docs
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2576[16:27:31] <cesurasean> doesnt run a command
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2577[16:27:39] <greycat> lspci -nn
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2579[16:27:49] <cesurasean> oh sorry, put --
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2580[16:28:10] <cesurasean> BCM4318
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2582[16:28:15] <cesurasean> airforce one 54g
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2583[16:28:23] <greycat> Paste the line here so we get the PCI
ID.
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2584[16:28:33] <cesurasean> i cant paste
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2585[16:28:37] <cesurasean> headless system
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2586[16:28:43] <greycat> Then find trhe PCI ID and type it.
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2587[16:28:55] <cesurasean> how do i pastebin through term
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2588[16:29:00] <greycat> it will be [xxxx:yyyy]
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2589[16:29:02] <cesurasean> is it possible yet with jessie
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2590[16:29:12] <cesurasean> 14e4:4318
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2591[16:29:19] <greycat> ,pciid 14e4:4318
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2594[16:29:24] <greycat> shit
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2595[16:29:44] <cesurasean> MY SYSTEM IS BROKEN
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2596[16:29:45] <cesurasean> :D
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2597[16:29:51] <greycat> ok, google tells me
replaced-url
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2598[16:30:18] <cesurasean> 1 sec
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2599[16:30:21] <cesurasean> testing then reboot
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2603[16:30:47] <cesurasean> apt-get install
firmware-b43-installer
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2604[16:30:50] <cesurasean> no package
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2605[16:30:52] <cesurasean> its not in repo
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2606[16:30:54] <cesurasean> for jessie
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2607[16:30:55] <cesurasean> lol
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2609[16:30:59] <tx> heh
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2612[16:31:03] <tx> is it non-free? ;)
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2613[16:31:04] <cesurasean> sorry
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2614[16:31:07] <Ormu> :O
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2615[16:31:08] <cesurasean> dunno
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2617[16:31:12] <greycat> cesurasean: you have to enable non-free
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2618[16:31:15] <cesurasean> oh i see
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2619[16:31:17] <cesurasean> sorry
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2622[16:31:41] <greycat> cesurasean:
replaced-url
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2623[16:32:04] <greycat> I'm gonna go update that page so it
doesn't say wheezy ...
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2625[16:32:39] <cesurasean> lol
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2626[16:32:48] <cesurasean> why not just reflect the version auto
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2627[16:32:50] <cesurasean> in every page
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2628[16:32:57] <cesurasean> to reflect current stable with a
variable
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2629[16:33:08] <greycat> Why not just solve world hunger with
magical unicorn rainbows?
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2630[16:33:17] <Silvester> hey guys, ever since I installed
Debian my computer boots into the f12 boot menu first, and I have no
idea how to make it boot straight to the OS. i reset my BIOS
settings to default, but not much happened. i am not sure what
causes this?
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2633[16:33:45] <cesurasean> its telling me duplicate entry on
apt-get update
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2634[16:33:47] <jelly> cesurasean: because things sometimes
change, and verifying the instructions are still correct once per
release makes sense
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2635[16:34:02] <greycat> cesurasean: you EDIT a line, you
don't ADD a line
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2636[16:34:08] <cesurasean> oh
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2637[16:34:10] <cesurasean> which one do i edit
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2638[16:34:11] <cesurasean> lol
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2639[16:34:27] <jelly> !non-free sources
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2640[16:34:28] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the
two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib
non-free" rather than just "main", then
«apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be
installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms;
check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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2641[16:34:29] <tremolo> The one that looks like the one you
added
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2644[16:35:20] <cesurasean> sorry
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2645[16:35:30] <kurolox> BluesKaj same issues, I'm just
going to give up on debian
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2646[16:35:45] <kurolox> I still don't understand what
happens, grub works fine, it just refuses to look for the proper
device
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2647[16:35:53] <BluesKaj> kurolox, did you format the drive ?
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2648[16:36:06] <kurolox> I showed you the screenshot when I did
it
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2649[16:36:16] <cesurasean> ok installing driver then going down
for reboot
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2653[16:36:50] <BluesKaj> kurolox, oh right
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2655[16:36:54] <tremolo> kurolox: Is it still looking for
/dev/sdc1?
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2656[16:37:00] <kurolox> yes
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2657[16:37:07] <kurolox> it still looks for /dev/sdc1
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2658[16:37:15] <kurolox> it should be looking for /dev/sdb1
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2659[16:37:29] <tremolo> Can you mount /dev/sdb1?
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2662[16:37:56] <kurolox> no, it refuses to do so
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2663[16:38:07] <cesurasean> ok issue solved
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2664[16:38:10] <cesurasean> thank you
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2665[16:38:12] <BluesKaj> kurolox, what did you use to create the
image on the usb stick?
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2666[16:38:15] <tremolo> Ideally, you would have it use a
disk/partition ID rather than a device name.
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2670[16:39:04] <kurolox> BluesKaj 'dd if=/path/to/iso
of=/dev/sdx bs=1M status=progress'
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2675[16:40:04] <BluesKaj> sdx?
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2676[16:40:14] <kurolox> well, sdd
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2681[16:41:55] <LtL> kurolox: you said it should look for
/dev/sdb ? not sdd
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2683[16:42:05] <tremolo> kurolox: What does "refuses to
[mount]" look like?
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2685[16:42:48] <tremolo> LtL: Install media is sdd on the system
used to prepare it. This is a post-install issue with it looking for
the root fs on the wrong device.
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2689[16:43:04] <LtL> tremolo: ah, apologies
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2690[16:43:09] <kurolox> LtL when I copied the debian ISO to the
USB, said usb was sdd. Then when installing debian, said usb was sdb
during install and the target storage was sdc. I installed debian in
sdc, and after removing the install media sdc is now sdb, but it
still tries lo launch from sdc
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2692[16:43:31] <BluesKaj> kurolox, did you unmount the drive
before using the dd command , sudo umount /dev/sdd ?
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2693[16:43:38] <rpw> I'm building a kernel and I'm not
finding any good info on creating a configuration file
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2695[16:44:01] <kurolox> yes, i unmounted it and I'm quite
sure everything is fine because I did a md5sum check
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2697[16:44:12] <rpw> Can anyone point me to a webpage which has
tips for .config options for building a fast kernel without
debugging
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2698[16:44:14] <kurolox> tremolo: mount: /dev/sdb1 on mnt failed:
No such file or directory
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2699[16:44:23] <kurolox> both /dev/sdb1 exists and /mnt too
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2701[16:44:34] <Ormu> is there a reason why it's
"umount" and not "unmount"? is it something like
the POSIX API function creat() ?
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2703[16:44:42] <tremolo> Is "mnt" the same as
"/mnt"?
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2704[16:44:44] <BluesKaj> sdb is probly the usb
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2705[16:44:47] <kurolox> it is, the cwd is /
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2707[16:44:58] <kurolox> anyways, adding the / doesn't
change the output
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2711[16:46:00] <BluesKaj> kurolox, that's a pretty small
hdd, how old is thi pc ?
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2713[16:46:28] <kurolox> well, due to... physical limitations
I'm installing debian inside a flash drive, instead of a proper
HDD
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2714[16:47:19] <rpw> Kernel Config tips (.config) Anyone?
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2715[16:47:19] <enyc> kurolox: can work wel... beawre of
write-limits however
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2717[16:47:29] <enyc> kurolox: and the speed/qualihty of such
drives varies hugely
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2718[16:47:47] <kurolox> yeah, I know. I plan on solving the
issue eventually, but for now I'm stuck with this
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2719[16:47:57] <kurolox> the point is, it shouldn't really
affect this
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2721[16:48:04] <BluesKaj> kurolox, ok, then live images on usb s
are iffy
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2722[16:48:17] <kurolox> I know that the USB is fine because it
was running a different distribution until a few hours ago
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2724[16:48:57] <BluesKaj> debian live images especially
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2726[16:49:05] <tremolo> Installing from live images was (is?)
broken, but not in this way as far as I know.
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2727[16:49:38] <BluesKaj> well, i'm out of ideas....
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2728[16:49:42] <johnkeates> it was? never had an issue with
jessie or stretch
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2731[16:49:55] <greycat> johnkeates: then you are in the minority
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2732[16:50:04] <johnkeates> tssk, johnkeates lives matter
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2733[16:50:11] <jelly> many other people did, if reports in this
channel are to be trusted
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2735[16:50:26] <johnkeates> could be that we use different
methods? i always use debootstrap
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2736[16:50:34] <johnkeates> or maybe its a gui vs. cli thing?
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2737[16:50:51] <jelly> they used the embeddedded d-i started from
live
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2738[16:51:00] <johnkeates> well, that's just asking for
trouble
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2740[16:51:19] <BluesKaj> kurolox, recommend the netinstall vs
the gui install methos btw
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2741[16:51:21] <jelly> also, not the same thing
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2743[16:51:44] <BluesKaj> method
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2744[16:52:06] <johnkeates> mentos, the freshmaker
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2745[16:52:10] <tremolo> johnkeates: Something about the
installer not setting passwords, I think. I don't touch live
images, so wouldn't have noticed.
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2746[16:52:16] <kurolox> I was using netinstall BluesKaj
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2751[16:53:10] <Silvester> hello again guys! how do I get my PC
to not boot automatically into the f12 boot menu?
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2752[16:53:17] <Silvester> strange question i know
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2753[16:53:24] <BluesKaj> kurolox, then i have no idea unless the
usb is being corrupted somehow, which seems to be the case
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2758[16:54:11] <kurolox> but again, the same usb was working
perfectly with other OSes until a few hours ago
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2759[16:54:18] <kurolox> so the usb being corrupted is unlikely
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2761[16:54:34] <tremolo> Stupid question, maybe. Does /mnt exist?
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2762[16:54:43] <kurolox> I made it manually with mkdir before
mounting
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2763[16:55:23] <LtL> kurolox: it didnt happen to automount at
/media ? mine does
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2765[16:55:30] <tremolo> I don't think this points to an
issue with the device at all. I've had this happen where the
device name changes and everything falls apart until you tell it to
look at the right devices.
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2767[16:55:50] <kurolox> LtL I don't have a /media folder
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2768[16:56:03] <LtL> kurolox: ok rule that out.
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2769[16:56:19] <kurolox> I still feel like it's a grub issue
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2771[16:56:30] <kurolox> shouldn't grub be the one looking
for the proper device to launch?
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2774[16:57:16] <greycat> GRUB just has to be able to read the
kernel. It passes a string to the kernel as a parameter, suggesting
the root file system device that the kernel might be interested in.
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2783[16:59:53] <tremolo> kurolox: When you get to grub, do you
have the option to press "e" to edit the entry? If so, are
you able to specify the root device there and boot?
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2785[17:00:18] <kurolox> I've done a really crappy
workaround
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2786[17:00:29] <kurolox> it works now, but it's completely
not ideal
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2791[17:01:28] <kurolox> With both the live USB and the storage
USB pluged in, I'm forcing in the bios to boot from the storage
USB, so it still reads the live usb as sdb and the storage usb as
sdc
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2792[17:01:41] <kurolox> so it boots properly that way, as long
as I leave the live USB pluged in
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2797[17:04:22] <tremolo> Not ideal for a long-term setup, but it
got you in and now you can change it (GRUB, fstab) to use UUIDs
instead of device node names.
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2798[17:04:55] <kurolox> yhm
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2799[17:05:00] <kurolox> fstab is using UUID already
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2801[17:05:31] <kurolox> by the way, quick question, what is
using debian by default for LAN?
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2802[17:05:34] <kurolox> networkd?
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2803[17:06:04] <greycat> Hell no. It still uses
/etc/network/interfaces if you define your interface there.
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2804[17:06:27] <greycat> Interfaces not defined there often get
picked up by network-manager, but that's not installed by
default unless you install a DE.
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2805[17:06:40] <kurolox> so if I want to use networkd I
don't have to disable anything?
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2806[17:06:50] <greycat> systemd networkd is NOT enabled by
default, and if it ever gets enabled by default, we run to Devuan
and do not look back.
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2814[17:07:49] <person_> I would like to make a certain console
program to use my terminal profile, how do I do that?
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2816[17:08:25] <Haxord> Hi, I would like to rsync files to a
samba network share (NAS). I will mount the share at /mnt/backup and
want to periodically (or on changes to files) sync to the samba
share. The share will thereafter sync with Amazon Glacier and keep
the file on the NAS as well. Two questions: 1) Whats the best way to
set up the rsync (cron, or is there any other tool). 2) Will I have
to be concerned about partial transfers being backed up to Glacier
before the trans
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2817[17:08:25] <Haxord> fer is done? There will only ever be new
files - no deletions.
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2820[17:09:57] <person_> also is it possible to make
gnome-terminal have transparent background?
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2825[17:12:39] <Haxord> @person_:
replaced-url
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2827[17:13:26] <Haxord> when you say make a program use your
terminal profile - do you mean run it with you being the user that
launched it?
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2828[17:14:21] <person_> Haxord: I don't have that setting
in my Debian 9
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2832[17:14:48] <person_> I mean launch a program in terminal and
make this program use different colors than default
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2833[17:14:56] <person_> a different profile
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2834[17:15:17] <tremolo> kurolox: What about grub?
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2840[17:17:22] <Haxord> person_: what about setting the colours
as part of the script that launches your program?
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2841[17:17:26] <Haxord> example: setterm --term linux
--background green -foreground blue --clear=all
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2845[17:18:41] <person_> nice but can I switch to a different
profile with that?
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2849[17:19:31] <Haxord> person_: gnome-terminal
--window-with-profile=<Profile_name>
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2859[17:21:25] <person_> imangerah: thanks that worked!
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2860[17:21:33] <imangerah> pleasure :)
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2861[17:21:44] <person_> imangerah: you probably want to sync
files as soon as anything changes?
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2862[17:22:06] <imangerah> doesnt have to be - but I only want
complete files to be backed up to Glacier
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2865[17:22:38] <person_> I don't know how good rsync is with
that, you should probably experiment
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2866[17:22:40] <greycat> Impossible unless the uploading client
takes some step like moving it to a new directory upon completion,
or renaming it upon completion.
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2867[17:22:50] <person_> you could try checking the sha sum of
the file before sending it
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2868[17:23:02] <person_> and maybe check the sum after somehow?
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2869[17:23:06] <greycat> Note that rsync uses a temporary name
during the transfer, so you could just omit files that use
rsync's temporary name format.
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2870[17:23:10] <imangerah> so Samba does not only make files
visible after full transfer?
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2872[17:23:56] <imangerah> ok - I have another solution. after
rsync completes it moves all files into a child directory which is
the directory that actually gets backed up
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2873[17:24:12] <imangerah> any issues you can think of?
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2874[17:24:28] <person_> so when the file is done transfering you
move it somewhere else?
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2875[17:24:46] <imangerah> yes but moved on the remote NAS
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2876[17:25:04] <person_> I think that could work
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2877[17:25:05] <imangerah> so files go into /backup/ and then
once done all complete files go into /backup/aws/
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2879[17:25:28] <imangerah> thanks, will do some experimenting.
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2883[17:25:43] <person_> good luck!
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2885[17:27:11] <imangerah> rsync has an option: -T,
--temp-dir=DIR create temporary files in directory DIR | think that
solves my problem.
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2886[17:27:37] <person_> nice
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2911[17:38:09] <Vizva> i did upgrade to 9 but now i have error on
update the sources
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2912[17:38:19] <person_> what error?
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2913[17:39:17] <Vizva> moment i come later i need to bring this
on console
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2914[17:39:20] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
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2915[17:39:20] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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2916[17:39:23] <jelly> Vizva: ^^
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2922[17:41:40] <vrd1> Regarding windows virtual guest in virt
manager
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2923[17:42:03] <vrd1> which paravirtualized drivers to use?
fedora's windows virtio iso or spice-guest-tools?
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2933[17:45:32] <rpw> jmcnaught: I used make menuconfig and just
left everything default. I edited .conf and set CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO=no
I specifically interested in i915.ko optimization
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2936[17:46:05] <Eularomat> what is the most elegant way to
install awesome wm on a bare debian 9 netinstall? is there a way to
install it already during the netinstall process? should I deselect
all desktop environments and desktop environment tag itself when
installing packages, or ...?
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2941[17:47:05] <vrd1> jmcnaught: ^ ok, tried asking actual
question above
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2944[17:47:57] <greycat> Don't try to install it *during*
the install. Just finish the standard install, and install it from a
root shell after booting.
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2948[17:48:19] <greycat> Deselect all but standard (and maybe ssh
server).
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2953[17:51:20] <Megaf> Hi
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2955[17:51:46] <person_> hello
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2963[17:55:18] <person_> I made my terminal window transparent
using devilspy2, but I would like to make just the background
transparent. Is there any way to do that?
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2975[17:59:26] <mitmf> sudo ldconfig <— what it means?
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2977[17:59:43] <kruug> Are there any tools to automatically
backup data/configuration information for an upgrade? Or is it best
to do it manually?
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2978[17:59:44] <greycat> man ldconfig
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2981[18:01:02] <kruug> oooh...VM, I wonder if snapshot is
available...
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2994[18:03:07] <raktajino> kruug: there are various config
management tools that will do this. ansible, chef, puppet, etc.
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3002[18:06:19] <person_> gnome-terminal --execute "sleep 3
&& echo test"
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3003[18:06:27] <person_> I get this error: Failed to execute
child process "sleep 3 && echo test" (No such file
or directory)
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3007[18:06:32] <person_> what's wrong?
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3008[18:06:53] <greycat> See if there's another execute
option. Try -x or -e.
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3009[18:07:26] <vrd1> greycat: if one has Firefox or other web
browser with opened login sessions (gmail, yahoo, twitter, any
forum), an IRC client, and an opened terminal session as the root
user, all running at same time, how exploitable is one becoming?
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3010[18:07:30] <vrd1> am i in danger?
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3011[18:07:33] <greycat> I think gnome-terminal is the one that
has two different exec flags with two different usages.
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3012[18:07:38] <mitmf> Could not find a package configuration
file provided by "Qt5" with any of
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3013[18:07:39] <mitmf> the following names:
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3014[18:07:40] <mitmf> Qt5Config.cmake
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3015[18:07:40] <mitmf> qt5-config.cmake <—— how
can i do? help me
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3016[18:07:54] <vrd1> or having one terminal with irssi being
used and another terminal as root
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3018[18:08:24] <pacha> how do I get the name of the chipset that
is providing wlan0?
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3020[18:08:35] <person_> greycat: yes it does
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3022[18:08:46] <bkeys>
replaced-url
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3023[18:08:47] <bkeys> I got a broken virtualenv install on my
raspberry pi; does anyone know how to fix this?
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3024[18:08:49] <bkeys> A reinstall did not help
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3026[18:09:57] <person_> greycat: it doesn't let me run
other programs
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3028[18:10:18] <teraflops> bkeys: are you running debian there,
or raspbian?
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3029[18:10:24] <bkeys> raspian
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3030[18:10:30] <person_> greycat: I wanted to do: sleep 3
&& runSomething
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3031[18:10:58] <greycat> person_: figure out which option lets
you do sh -c 'sleep 3 && runSomething'
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3033[18:11:11] <greycat> either -e sh -c '...' or -x sh
-c '...'
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3038[18:12:52] <vrd1> greycat: ^
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3040[18:13:47] <teraflops> person_: use quotes
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3042[18:14:30] <person_> ok I got somewhere now but it's
still not working as expected
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3043[18:14:34] <person_> gnome-terminal -x sh -c 'cavac
&& sleep 3 && devilspie2'
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3044[18:14:38] <teraflops> as in gnome-terminal -e "echo
test"
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3045[18:14:44] <person_> I want to run a program then another
program after 3 seconds
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3046[18:14:56] <greycat> gnome-terminal -e sh -c 'sleep 3
&& echo test'
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3047[18:15:00] <greycat> gnome-terminal -x sh -c 'sleep 3
&& echo test'
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3048[18:15:08] <greycat> ONE OF THOSE, GOD ONLY KNOWS WHICH
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3049[18:15:12] <teraflops> hehe
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3050[18:15:19] <bkeys> Does anyone have a clue about my question?
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3052[18:15:41] <person_> greycat: the second one :)
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3054[18:15:46] <teraflops> :D
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3057[18:16:38] <person_> bkeys: I don't but maybe try asking
on raspbian's channel if such exists?
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3060[18:17:08] <bkeys> Both # and ## raspian are empty :v
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3061[18:17:10] <bkeys> *:c
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3063[18:17:22] <teraflops> bkeys: no pun intended but youre not
running debian, and this channel is about debian
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3065[18:17:44] <greycat> #rasbpian has 328 people according to
/list
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3066[18:17:52] <greycat> #raspbian rather
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3068[18:18:15] <greycat> Note that there is a 'b' in
#raspbian
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3070[18:18:33] <person_> rasss... why is it so hard
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3071[18:18:57] <vrd1> if one has Firefox or other web browser
with opened login sessions (gmail, yahoo, twitter, any forum), an
IRC client, and an opened terminal session as the root user, all
running at same time, how exploitable is one becoming?
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3072[18:19:05] <bkeys> I mis spelled it it seems
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3074[18:19:18] <teraflops> vrd1: nope
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3076[18:19:19] <greycat> Running a web browser as root is fucking
stupid.
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3077[18:19:20] <bkeys> There we go
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3079[18:19:38] <vrd1> who said I'm running stuff as root?
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3080[18:19:49] <vrd1> Please read well the question.
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3081[18:19:59] <person_> if you aren't why do you think you
would be exploitable?
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3082[18:19:59] <greycat> You literally wrote the words "as
the root user"
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3083[18:20:18] <person_> I think he just has a root session
opened
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3084[18:20:25] <vrd1> greycat: ^
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3085[18:20:30] <greycat> Then he needs to write less ambiguously.
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3086[18:20:33] * jelly gives greycat an understanding of comma usage
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3087[18:20:36] <vrd1> aahh
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3088[18:20:40] <teraflops> vrd1: tbh IRC'ing as root is
stupid too
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3090[18:20:50] <g0zzy> I have a Thinkpad T410 here that is quite
sniffy about booting from a USB stick. It starts well and i think
it's all going well, then i find i'm at the Debian 8 login
dialog - which is quite a feat, having 'nearly' booted a
completely different OS. What do you think could be going on there?
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3091[18:21:01] <vrd1> teraflops: same as i told to greyct
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3092[18:21:07] <teraflops> ^
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3093[18:21:18] <teraflops> I guess greycat already knows that
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3095[18:21:20] <greycat> vrd1: and once again, write less
ambiguously.
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3096[18:21:22] <person_> vrdl: there is a system called QubesOS
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3097[18:21:35] <person_> vrd1: you should check it out
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3098[18:21:37] <vrd1> what about that system?
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3102[18:22:09] <person_> it's made out of 'cubes'
which are VMs, the point of it is that you separate everything in a
different VMs
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3103[18:22:10] <jelly> vrd1: in theory, any Xorg client
(application) can be exploited to read and write input to any other
Xorg client (window)
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3104[18:22:37] <person_> one VM for web browsing, another for
work, you can also have disposable VMs
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3105[18:22:50] <teraflops> and ff doesnt even ship a sandbox by
default
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3106[18:23:09] <teraflops> even internet explores does it
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3107[18:23:16] <teraflops> explorer^
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3109[18:23:21] <jelly> g0zzy: do you have a Debian 8 installation
on that system?
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3111[18:24:00] <person_> I just block all scripts
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3115[18:24:54] <teraflops> never ever run anything as root unless
it is explicitly asking you to do so
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3117[18:25:04] <vrd1> greycat, teraflops: I would have the
following as *separate* windows, but running at same time: firefox
with yahoo mail, irc (hexchat, or irssi in terminal), and a terminal
running as root
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3118[18:25:09] <vrd1> Is it less ambiguous?
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3121[18:25:32] <vrd1> root terminal is an apart terminal window
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3122[18:25:33] <teraflops> I already answered you: nope
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3123[18:25:50] <bs0d> Hello community. I need some help. I
downloaded an IDE, unpacked it, moved it into /usr/local, changed
the ownership to root:staff but I do not see my IDE in the
Applications menu in my user account and cannot access it
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3124[18:25:53] <teraflops> gnome-terminal -e "echo
test"
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3125[18:25:55] <greycat> So you run the terminal as yourself, but
then in the shell, you did "su"? Or "sudo -i"?
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3126[18:25:56] <teraflops> oops
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3127[18:26:01] <teraflops> buffer incident, sorry
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3129[18:26:09] <jelly> vrd1: presumably you have a terminal
running as user and a root shell opened inside?
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3131[18:26:31] <g0zzy> jelly: yes
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3133[18:27:03] <vrd1> greycat, jelly: I would open a terminal
window to start, say, irssi. Then open another apart terminal window
and do su.
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3135[18:27:05] <person_> vrdl: you want to know if those programs
you run can spy on each other and see your data?
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3136[18:27:14] <vrd1> ^ yes
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3138[18:27:34] <jelly> g0zzy: okay, and how did you create this
bootable usb stick? Maybe it's choosing the wrong root=
filesystem when it boots, the one with debian 8 instead of the one
on the stick
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3139[18:27:37] <person_> hmm
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3140[18:27:44] <vrd1> Lately I have had to only use one program
at a time:
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3142[18:27:54] <greycat> If there is an egregiously serious bug
in one of the programs, yes, in theory they can communicate with
each other through the X protocols.
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3143[18:28:14] <vrd1> and how can i know if there's bug?
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3145[18:28:16] <vrd1> oh, no....
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3146[18:28:16] <greycat> In practice, I've never heard of
such a bug.
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3148[18:28:32] <vrd1> During last months I have had to do the
following:
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3149[18:28:38] <jelly> X has nifty extensions that basically
allow any app to look like keyboard and mouse input.
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3151[18:28:56] <vrd1> check mail? Close *everything* else and
only start web browser or mail client.
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3152[18:28:56] <teraflops> vrd1: subscribe to all sec mail lists
read CVE's and even then youre not secure since 0 day is a
thing
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3153[18:29:15] <vrd1> chat? Close everything and only have
running chat client
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3154[18:29:27] <person_> use only open source / free software
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3156[18:29:40] <vrd1> a short maintainance task? Close everything
and start a root terminal
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3157[18:29:43] <greycat> Or you could just be less paranoid about
your porn site passwords.
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3158[18:29:44] <jelly> vrd1: separate users and X sessions would
work.
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3159[18:30:03] <teraflops> vrd1: or run stuff insice VM's
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3160[18:30:07] <teraflops> inside^
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3161[18:30:25] <person_> vrd1: if you need that kind of security
check out QubesOS or keep everything in separate VMs
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3162[18:30:27] <jelly> vrd1: then one needs a user app exploit
_and_ another priv. elevation exploit
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3164[18:30:36] <person_> then the programs won't be able to
communicate with each other
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3166[18:31:00] <jelly> person_: unless, of course, there's a
VM escape, or copy/paste enabled
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3167[18:31:14] <vrd1> actually i kind of wanted to be told
"no, you're actually being paranoid; as long as you
don't run anything as root you're ok"
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3169[18:31:20] <vrd1> but i guess it's not the case...
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3170[18:31:25] <greycat> You're being paranoid.
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3171[18:31:28] <g0zzy> jelly: that's queer as it seems to
happen with anything booted from the port
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3173[18:31:30] <teraflops> vrd1: you're actually being
paranoid indeed
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3175[18:31:36] <person_> well is he?
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3176[18:31:44] <teraflops> yes he is imo
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3177[18:31:44] <person_> programs can read any data they want
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3178[18:31:46] <jelly> vrd1: you're being paranoid, and
you're not ok. Is that ok?
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3179[18:31:51] <teraflops> xD
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3180[18:31:52] <vrd1> I don't need to tell my current way of
working is very inefficient
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3183[18:32:12] <person_> we trust the software to not have bugs
and to not be malicious
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3184[18:32:15] <jelly> saying you're not exposed would be a
lie, X is crappy that way.
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3185[18:32:19] <person_> but sometimes it can be
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3187[18:33:00] <SuperSeriouCat> vrd1,
replaced-url
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3188[18:33:01] <person_> if you want to be more secure try
QubesOS seriously
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3190[18:33:06] <teraflops> vrd1: dont run stuff as root, keep
your system up-to-date and do not click ransomware links, youll be
moderately fine
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3191[18:33:11] <SuperSeriouCat> You can isolate each program in
its own tiny VM
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3192[18:33:38] <jelly> g0zzy: okay, and how did you create this
and all the other bootable usb sticks you tried?
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3194[18:33:39] <vrd1> teraflops: talking about VMs? We'd get
to previous point: regarding windows virtual guest in virt manager,
which paravirtualized drivers to use? fedora's windows virtio
iso or spice-guest-tools?
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3195[18:33:42] <teraflops> also for weird/odd/suspicious stuff
use a VM
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3198[18:33:57] <vrd1> no one has been able to know
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3199[18:34:06] <g0zzy> cat x.iso >/dev/sdc
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3200[18:34:06] <person_> vrd1: install QubesOS
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3202[18:34:14] <teraflops> vrd1: of KVM? you want virIO indeed
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3203[18:34:17] <teraflops> for^
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3205[18:34:35] <jelly> g0zzy: good. Did you try a debian-based
live, like grml.org?
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3206[18:34:49] <teraflops> sorry my keyb is rubbish
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3208[18:35:02] <g0zzy> Most recently failed with Tails
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3212[18:35:34] <vrd1> so actually no one likes virtio, neither
windows here?
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3213[18:35:38] <vrd1> good to know
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3216[18:35:42] <teraflops> huh
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3218[18:36:06] <teraflops> for qemu/kvm virtIO is what you want,
for windows too
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3219[18:36:21] <teraflops> windows guests obv
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3221[18:36:28] <vrd1> ah, so that's what you meant
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3223[18:36:37] <vrd1> then back to question
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3224[18:36:38] <teraflops> yep :S
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3227[18:36:50] <vrd1> which paravirtualized drivers to use?
fedora's windows virtio iso or spice-guest-tools?
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3229[18:36:56] <jelly> vrd1: did you try any of those guest
addition options, and see how they worked?
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3231[18:37:07] <vrd1> both iso and sice installer have the same
paravirtualized drivers: qxl, kvmnetwork, scsi, balloon....
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3232[18:37:14] <vrd1> *spice
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3233[18:37:42] <teraflops> spice gusts tools? those are not
related to virtIO drivers
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3234[18:37:47] <jelly> if noone has anything to say, you can
always
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3235[18:37:49] <jelly> !TIAS
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3236[18:37:49] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
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3237[18:38:03] <vrd1> teraflops: that's what I thought
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3238[18:38:15] <vrd1>
replaced-url
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3240[18:38:25] <teraflops> virtIO drivers are for block devices,
nics, serial and so on
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3241[18:38:43] <vrd1> i know
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3243[18:38:45] <vrd1>
replaced-url
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3244[18:38:51] <teraflops> we already know what they are
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3245[18:39:09] <vrd1> from spice link: "installer contains
some optional drivers"
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3246[18:39:21] <vrd1> and it turns those drivers are the same
virtio iso provides
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3249[18:39:47] <teraflops> spice is a protocol for connecting to
the guest and also graphics specific
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3251[18:39:59] <rysiek|pl> hmm
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3254[18:40:06] <vrd1> i'm talking about the
spice-guest-tools installer
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3255[18:40:12] <rysiek|pl> anyone uses nginx + lua on stretch
around here?
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3256[18:40:34] <rysiek|pl> I am having a weird issue and it seems
like it's debian-related
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3258[18:41:19] <rysiek|pl> namely, even with nginx-extras
installed (it contains nginx lua module)
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3259[18:41:26] <rysiek|pl> lua directives do not seem to be
recognized
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3261[18:41:49] <rysiek|pl> getting: nginx: [emerg] unknown
directive "lua_package_path" in /etc/nginx/nginx.conf:87
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3262[18:42:21] <person_> can I launch a program in terminal
without having it using my terminal window?
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3263[18:42:23] <person_> I want it to run in the background
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3265[18:43:03] <GJdan> hmmm, sendmail vs exim4 vs postfix
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3266[18:43:22] <teraflops> !poll
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3267[18:43:23] <dpkg> "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is
taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can
answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers
will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
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3268[18:43:35] <FinalX> rysiek|pl: you need nginx-extras on
debian, or nginx-full, to use lua
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3270[18:43:45] <jelly> person_: if it works on its own,
noninteractively, you can redirect stdout and stderr to /dev/null
and run as a background task. It will still die if you close that
terminal
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3271[18:43:46] <rysiek|pl> FinalX: and that's exactly what I
have
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3272[18:43:48] <FinalX> rysiek|pl: the standard nginx package of
debian doesn't have it, as it's a 3rd-party module
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3273[18:43:51] <FinalX> hm
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3274[18:43:58] <rysiek|pl> FinalX:
replaced-url
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3276[18:44:23] <rysiek|pl> FinalX:
"--add-dynamic-module=/build/nginx-2tpxfc/nginx-1.10.3/debian/modules/nginx-lua"
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3277[18:44:26] <teraflops> rysiek|pl: what's in line 87?
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3278[18:44:35] <jelly> person_: your command >/dev/null
2>&1 &
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3280[18:44:41] <FinalX> rysiek|pl: it says --add-dynamic-module,
so there might be a .so you have to load
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3281[18:44:46] <rysiek|pl> teraflops: lua_package_path
"/usr/share/lua/5.1/luarocks/?.lua;;";
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3282[18:44:46] <teraflops> is the line ok, maybe youre not using
it properly?
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3283[18:44:55] <FinalX> no no, that's not it
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3284[18:45:01] <FinalX> nginx just hasn't loaded the lua
module
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3285[18:45:08] <rysiek|pl> teraflops: 1. the same line works in
nginx 1.6.x on Debian Jessie
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3286[18:45:16] <person_> jelly: awesome, thanks!
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3287[18:45:19] <rysiek|pl> teraflops: 2. same thing happens with
other lua directives
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3288[18:45:21] <jelly> GJdan: what for? internet host? local
delivery? only remote delivery?
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3289[18:45:27] <rysiek|pl> FinalX: yeah, that's my feel
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3290[18:45:27] <person_> jelly: what does that second part do?
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3291[18:45:39] <vrd1> or well...........
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3292[18:45:41] <vrd1> in which cases to use macvtap and in which
others common bridging setup?
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3293[18:45:43] <vrd1> topic apart
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3294[18:45:47] <teraflops> no lua module then unknown option
indeed
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3295[18:45:49] <FinalX> rysiek|pl: in older debian versions, lua
was compiled into the nginx core, but here:
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3296[18:45:51] <FinalX> Get:43
replaced-url
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3297[18:46:04] <jelly> person_: does what I described in the
previous sentence
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3298[18:46:09] <FinalX> dpkg -L libnginx-mod-http-lua # shows:
/usr/lib/nginx/modules/ngx_http_lua_module.so
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3299[18:46:10] <dpkg> ii libnginx-mod-http-lua # shows:
/usr/lib/nginx/modules/ngx_http_lua_module.so 3.4-3.3 ultra s3kr1t
#debian package
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3302[18:46:18] <FinalX> dpkg: yes sweety, thank you...
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3303[18:46:18] <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck
you're talking about, FinalX
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3304[18:46:33] <rysiek|pl> damn
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3307[18:46:46] <rysiek|pl> FinalX:
replaced-url
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3308[18:46:51] <FinalX> rysiek|pl:
/usr/share/nginx/modules-available/mod-http-lua.conf comes from that
file, too, and it needs to be symlinked to from
/etc/nginx/modules-enabled
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3309[18:47:00] <rysiek|pl> yes
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3310[18:47:01] <rysiek|pl> damn
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3311[18:47:01] <FinalX> from that package*
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3312[18:47:05] <rysiek|pl> thanks :)
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3313[18:47:09] <FinalX> np :)
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3314[18:47:15] * rysiek|pl should have RTFM'd
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3316[18:47:23] <rysiek|pl> but but but it always worked
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3317[18:47:27] <jelly> person_: redirection, the bits with >
in them,
replaced-url
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3318[18:47:43] <FinalX> yeah, in stretch it's compiled as a
dynamic module (dynamic modules are relatively new to that nginx
version)
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3319[18:47:48] <rysiek|pl> ack
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3321[18:48:13] <FinalX> ..... and for a second I thought we were
on #nginx for some reason... :)
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3322[18:48:20] <jelly> person_: background task,
replaced-url
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3324[18:49:44] <person_> jelly: thanks :)
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3326[18:50:05] <rysiek|pl> FinalX: wooo! nginx: [emerg] dlopen()
"/usr/share/nginx/modules/ngx_http_lua_module.so" failed
(/usr/share/nginx/modules/ngx_http_lua_module.so: undefined symbol:
ndk_set_var_value) in /etc/nginx/nginx.conf:1
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3327[18:50:24] <FinalX> ..that doesn't sound right :)
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3329[18:50:34] <rysiek|pl> aye
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3330[18:50:50] <rysiek|pl> the file exists
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3332[18:51:06] <FinalX> yeah but seems it's requesting
something from the module that it doesn't have, or vice versa
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3334[18:51:15] <FinalX> usually happens when they're not the
same version
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3337[18:51:24] <FinalX> did you perhaps install the nginx.org
version over your debian one by accident?
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3339[18:51:35] <FinalX> apt-cache policy nginx
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3342[18:51:58] <rysiek|pl> no, all is from debian repo, 1.10.3
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3344[18:52:14] <FinalX> weird, mine seems to load just fine o.O
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3345[18:52:23] <jelly> ,v nginx
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3346[18:52:24] <judd> Package: nginx on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4+deb7u1;
wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.2-5+deb8u4;
jessie-proposed-updates: 1.6.2-5+deb8u5; jessie-security:
1.6.2-5+deb8u5; sid: 1.10.1-1; jessie-backports:
1.10.3-1+deb9u1~bpo8+2; stretch: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1; stretch-security:
1.10.3-1+deb9u1; stretch-backports:
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3347[18:52:25] <rysiek|pl> Installed: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1
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3348[18:52:26] <judd> 1.13.3-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.13.3-1; sid:
1.13.3-1
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3350[18:52:50] <rysiek|pl> aye
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3351[18:53:03] <rysiek|pl> same version for libnginx-mod-http-lua
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3352[18:53:11] <brainmaze> hello, I am installing Debian 9 right
now and when I started the setup, the touchpad didnt work and also
the NIC card. I was wondering if its easy to install those drivers
after the installation from a usb key for example?
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3355[18:53:42] <rysiek|pl> FinalX: and there is only one file
named 'ngx_http_lua_module.so' on this system
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3359[18:54:24] <FinalX> rysiek|pl: this is what things are like
at a clean install with the latest stretch versions, md5sums
included:
replaced-url
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3361[18:54:33] <rysiek|pl> thx
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3364[18:55:38] <jelly> FinalX: does nginx packaging not have
something like a2enmod, a2dismod to enable modules and possible
dependencies
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3365[18:55:59] <FinalX> no, those are inventions of the debian
apache maintainers :)
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3367[18:56:09] <rysiek|pl> hmm
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3368[18:56:12] <jelly> which is why asked about _packaging_
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3369[18:56:14] <rysiek|pl> but perhaps dependancies are the
answer
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3370[18:56:22] <jelly> ie. those things that maintainers added
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3371[18:56:27] <rysiek|pl> lemme just load_module the shit out of
all of them
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3374[18:57:07] <FinalX> jelly: no, they did not
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3375[18:57:13] <jelly> pfft. Having to symlink manually, like a
peasant
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3378[18:57:39] <rysiek|pl> lol
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3379[18:57:43] <rysiek|pl> it was load_module
modules/ndk_http_module.so;
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3380[18:57:56] <FinalX> ah :)
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3381[18:58:05] <rysiek|pl> a comment in the
/usr/share/nginx/modules-available/mod-http-lua.conf file would have
been so helpful
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3382[18:58:21] <rysiek|pl> anyway
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3383[18:58:22] <rysiek|pl> works
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3384[18:58:31] <FinalX> \o/
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3386[18:58:35] <rysiek|pl> thanks for the help guys
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3388[18:58:57] <FinalX> np
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3389[18:59:02] <rysiek|pl> I will be wearing my Debian hoodie
extra-proudly today
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(Grav)
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3425[19:09:53] <donatas> Debian hoodie ?
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3430[19:11:07] <donatas> blue pillers wouldn't understand
what debian is
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3432[19:11:39] <donatas> but they might convert to red pill
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3447[19:14:17] <kruug> How does one re-run upgrade configuration
for phpmyadmin?
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3453[19:15:12] <Vizva> i think i got it now the upgrade
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3457[19:15:22] <ksk> kruug: dpkg-reconfigure phpmyadmin
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