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0[00:00:20] <stinerman> If I run a few GNOME apps from the
terminal, I will receive "Error 71 (Protocol error) dispatching
to Wayland display GDK_BACKEND" or something similar; putting
Wayland in debug mode gets me this just before the other error
message: wl_display@1.error(nil, 7, "failed to import supplied
dmabufs: Unsupported buffer format 808665665")
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1[00:00:35] <stinerman> does anyone know what that buffer
format refers to?
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3[00:00:49] <deadmarshal> trek00: bash: glxinfo: command not
found
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4[00:00:52] <deadmarshal> :|
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6[00:01:22] <trek00> roflbot: another thing: try to unplug usb
device, then type tail -f /var/log/syslog
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8[00:01:37] <trek00> roflbot: it will print errors if any
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9[00:02:09] <trek00> deadmarshal: apt install mesa-utils
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10[00:02:33] <humpled> my friend's android could see the
current available from the usb port it was connected to
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11[00:02:39] <roflbot> trek00: ok testing in a little while, in
a middle of some ripping on the raspberry pi, can take a while :p
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13[00:02:45] <trek00> roflbot: after you executed tail, you can
plug usb
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16[00:04:35] <deadmarshal> trek00: OpenGL renderer string: AMD
TURKS (DRM 2.50.0 / 4.19.0-5-amd64, LLVM 7.0.1)
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17[00:05:07] <trek00> it's enabled then
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18[00:06:26] <deadmarshal> but why when I run a game on steam,
it says that I need to install open gl 4.1?
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20[00:06:50] <trek00> deadmarshal: oh well.. may be not 4.1
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21[00:07:14] <trek00> deadmarshal: your card lacks of float16
probably
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22[00:07:33] <deadmarshal> can't I update my open gl to
4.1?
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24[00:08:25] <trek00> deadmarshal: no, but you could workaround
it
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28[00:09:48] <trek00> deadmarshal: i don't have steam but
you should add these options to the game launcher:
MESA_GL_VERSION_OVERRIDE=4.1 MESA_GLSL_VERSION_OVERRIDE=410
%command%
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31[00:11:26] <trek00> deadmarshal:
replaced-url
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42[00:16:33] <trek00> stinerman: it's the texture pixel
format (like RGB888, ARGB8888, RGB565)
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45[00:17:31] <trek00> deadmarshal1: you got it?
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47[00:17:53] <deadmarshal1> trek00: I put those in launch
options now another error. it says: runtime error! this application
has requested the runtime to terminate it in an unusual way.
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49[00:18:23] <trek00> deadmarshal1: may be it needs an hw
feature your card is lacking, what game is?
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50[00:18:54] <deadmarshal1> it's dirt showdown
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54[00:22:03] <trek00> deadmarshal1: i found a bug
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56[00:23:58] <trek00> deadmarshal1: you could try to add
LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose to the launcher to see error messages or can you
try to launch the game from command line and see the error messages
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57[00:24:59] <trek00> deadmarshal1: or you can ask to #steamlug
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62[00:26:13] <deadmarshal1> trek00: thanks, I'll see what
I can do
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108[00:57:55] <ZaZaGX> !help
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110[00:58:34] <coruja> !ask
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111[00:58:34] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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142[01:25:13] <sdhfk> can I *please* ask a question?
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143[01:25:17] <sdhfk> I beg it of you
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144[01:25:50] <annadane> you just did
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145[01:25:58] <sdhfk> how do I ask another?
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146[01:26:00] <sdhfk> which button?
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147[01:26:04] <annadane> you're doing well so far
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148[01:26:08] <sdhfk> I tried the report bug one, but nobody
responded
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149[01:26:13] <dvs> three's the limit! ;-)
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152[01:27:13] <rawtaz> darnit, he left
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153[01:27:19] <rawtaz> well, here goes anyway:
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154[01:27:24] <sdhfk> no, it crashed
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155[01:27:31] <rawtaz> sdhfk: that was for you ^
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156[01:27:32] <sdhfk> that's why I am trying to ask
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158[01:27:47] <sdhfk> how do I uncrash google chrome
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159[01:27:54] <sdhfk> when I open steam, it crashes
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160[01:28:02] * sdhfk sees steam coming out of my computer
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162[01:28:20] <trek00> sdhfk: what gpu do you have?
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163[01:28:27] <sdhfk> what is a gpu
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164[01:28:36] <sdhfk> I have an intel cpu
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165[01:28:40] <trek00> rawtaz: really good strip :)
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166[01:28:46] <rawtaz> trek00: yeah :D
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167[01:28:51] <sdhfk> and a nividia video card
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168[01:29:47] <sdhfk> I have Debian jessie
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169[01:30:27] <sdhfk> please?
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170[01:30:32] <trek00> sdhfk: gpu is video card, anyway you can
try to disable hardware acceleration under google chrome
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172[01:30:43] <sdhfk> where?
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173[01:30:46] <sdhfk> how?
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174[01:31:21] <trek00> sdhfk: i don't use chrome, but this
could help you
replaced-url
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175[01:31:32] <sdhfk> I have a settings icon under chrome in the
dock, but it doesn't have hardware acceleration
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176[01:31:37] <sdhfk> nevermind
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177[01:32:17] <sdhfk> it does not work
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178[01:32:30] <sdhfk> now me screen turns black and steam comes
out
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179[01:32:37] <trek00> sdhfk: inside google chrome you should
find ustomize
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180[01:32:43] <sdhfk> I can't find steam in my dock anymore
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181[01:32:45] <gcask> Hi! I'm upgrading a system from
jessie to stretch (better late than never), and I'm having
issue... My /var is a symlink into /home/var and apparently
that's the cause... Anyone has ever experienced this?
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182[01:33:34] <sdhfk> gcask, try stretching your cable. the
bends in my hard drive cable caused issues when upgrading from
windows to debian
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183[01:33:43] <trek00> gcask: it an unusual configuration, but
it should work anyway, what error messages yu get?
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184[01:34:17] <gcask> trek00: Any process trying to access
anything under /var gets a "permission denied" error.
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186[01:34:39] <sdhfk> try asking the system administrator to
give you permission
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187[01:34:44] <sdhfk> that works for me most of the time
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188[01:34:48] <trek00> gcask: try to do ls -ld /home/var and
paste the output
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190[01:35:21] <sdhfk> can you fix steam
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191[01:35:26] <gcask> drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 4096 Jan 27 2018
/home/var
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192[01:35:51] <trek00> sdhfk: not, i don't know it, but
opening a terminal you could type steam to launch it
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193[01:36:04] <sdhfk> it no work
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194[01:36:09] * sdhfk will be angry
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195[01:36:17] <trek00> gcask: and what if ls -ld /var
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196[01:36:18] * sdhfk want to play
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197[01:36:19] <gcask> trek00: I've done a few of my
homework there. Permissions are fine, running the command via the
CLI (same that systemd executes) under the correct user works.
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198[01:36:32] <sdhfk> systemd sucks
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200[01:36:38] <gcask> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Jan 17 2014 /var
-> /home/var
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202[01:36:47] <trek00> sdhfk: dpkg -l | grep steam
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203[01:36:50] <sdhfk> I heard that systemd is bad
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204[01:36:54] <sdhfk> it no work
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206[01:37:02] <sdhfk> trek00, it use wine
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207[01:37:18] <trek00> gcask: may be systemd does not like /var
as a symlink
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208[01:37:27] <gcask> Out of spite, I created a bind-mount /var2
into /home/var and edited the service and config of one daemon to
point there... and it booted fine.
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210[01:37:46] <trek00> sdhfk: do you have issues with steam or
wine?
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211[01:37:55] <sdhfk> steam and chrome
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212[01:37:55] <gcask> trek00: that's my conclusion. Now...
Is there a way that I can switch /var to a bind-mount over ssh?
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214[01:38:06] <sdhfk> it comes out of my screen when I try to
run
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215[01:38:23] <sdhfk> steam
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216[01:38:32] <sdhfk> it disappears and chrome goes black
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217[01:38:58] <sdhfk> how do I keep steam from coming out of my
screen long enough to play with it
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220[01:39:45] <trek00> gcask: I don't know, there are risks
to have ssh no more running fine when playing with /var
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222[01:39:50] <joze> steam is a sign of overheating
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223[01:40:19] <sdhfk> oh, and also when I run dmidecode (it said
to do that on a website), it says command not found
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224[01:40:19] <trek00> sdhfk: try to ask to #steamlug
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226[01:40:53] <geek1011> ,i dmidecode
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227[01:40:54] <judd> Package dmidecode (utils, important) in
buster/amd64: SMBIOS/DMI table decoder. Version: 3.2-1; Size: 60.8k;
Installed: 201k; Homepage:
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228[01:41:00] <geek1011> sdhfk: sudo apt install dmidecode
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229[01:41:04] <gcask> Yeah, thought as much. Any chance I can
run in one of the 'degraded' boot mode with ssh and fix
that up? I do not have physical access to the machine I might add.
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230[01:41:16] <sdhfk> judd: do you know how to fix my issue
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231[01:41:25] <sdhfk> judd, why you pm me
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232[01:41:26] <judd> No package named 'you' was found
in buster/amd64.
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233[01:41:31] <trek00> gcask: I don't know, sorry
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234[01:41:51] <sdhfk> judd: wtf is a hostmask, and why you tell
me to get one
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235[01:42:08] <veloce> So, it's been a looking time since
I've compiled anything o Linux. I'm attempting to compile
Icecast from source. When running 'make' I get the error:
libxslt/xslt.h: no such file or directory
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236[01:42:14] <sdhfk> judd, why you useless
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237[01:42:15] <judd> No package named 'you' was found
in buster/amd64.
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238[01:42:21] <trek00> gcask: if I had physical access to the
system I would mount it from an usb live stick and do: rm /var; mv
/home/var /var
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239[01:42:30] <veloce> I'm sure it's easy to point it
to the right directory?
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240[01:42:37] <sdhfk> judd, why firefox crash too
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241[01:42:38] <judd> No package named 'firefox' was
found in buster/amd64.
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242[01:42:51] <sdhfk> firefox goes black too
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243[01:42:56] <sdhfk> when steam opens
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244[01:43:00] <veloce> Libxslt *is* installed. All of the
dependencies are installed as far as I know.
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245[01:43:05] <sdhfk> judd, why wine not work
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246[01:43:23] <judd> No dependency chain found between packages
wine and not in buster/amd64.
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247[01:43:35] <sdhfk> judd, you are utterly useless, so fck off
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248[01:43:40] <gcask> trek00: If I had physical access
that's what I would do as well. But I don't :(
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249[01:43:54] <trek00> gcask: but with a running system you can
try to rm /var; mkdir /var; mount --bind /home/var /var
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250[01:44:18] <trek00> gcask: high risks to get logged out and
never log in again
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253[01:44:42] <gcask> Yeah... I'd like to avoid that.
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255[01:45:08] <geek1011> gcask: maybe try pivot_root:
replaced-url
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256[01:45:12] <trek00> sdhfk: judd is a bot, not a real person
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257[01:45:21] <geek1011> gcask: it's a bit outdated, but it
has the general idea
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258[01:45:34] <gcask> Thanks a lot for helping out
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259[01:45:35] <trek00> veloce may be with pkgconfig?
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260[01:45:40] <sdhfk> trek00, you must be one too
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261[01:45:44] <sdhfk> you are just as useless
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262[01:46:03] <veloce> Trek00, I'll check that out
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264[01:46:57] <geek1011> veloce, do you have libxslt-dev
installed?
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265[01:47:01] <geek1011> ,i libxslt-dev
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266[01:47:02] <judd> No package named 'libxslt-dev'
was found in buster/amd64.
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267[01:47:09] <geek1011> ,i libxslt1-dev
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268[01:47:11] <judd> Package libxslt1-dev (libdevel, optional)
in buster/amd64: XSLT 1.0 processing library - development kit.
Version: 1.1.32-2; Size: 506.9k; Installed: 2441k; Homepage:
replaced-url
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269[01:47:35] <sdhfk> please help me
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270[01:47:40] <sdhfk> my problem is simpler
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271[01:47:47] <gcask> geek1011: oooh right on, thanks. ssh is
still in runlevel 2 right?
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272[01:47:47] <sdhfk> just stop steam from closing
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273[01:48:03] <geek1011> gcask: existing connections should stay
connected
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274[01:48:43] <geek1011> gcask: also, try not to delete anything
until you have to. that way, everything will still work if it fails
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276[01:49:00] <geek1011> gcask: if you have space, copy instead
of move
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277[01:49:22] <gcask> geek1011: hehe yeah, that's what
I'm trying really hard to do here. Also it's not about
resizing anything - it's really just about changing a symlink
into a bind-mount.
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278[01:49:40] <geek1011> yep, but the idea is the same
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279[01:49:46] <veloce> I tried to install libxslt-dev without
success. I'll try libxslt1-dev
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281[01:50:34] <geek1011> gcask: also, I suggest you have a
static busybox binary around in case anything goes wrong
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282[01:50:45] <sdhfk> please!!!!!
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283[01:50:56] <sdhfk> I will die if I don't play a game
tonight
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284[01:51:17] <sdhfk> windows doesn't do this
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285[01:51:29] <sdhfk> but stupid Debian overwrote it
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286[01:51:52] <trek00> sdhfk: try to close any google chrome
window and then launch steam
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287[01:52:06] <sdhfk> I did
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289[01:52:17] <gcask> geek1011: So far so good. *insert intense
sweat meme here*
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290[01:52:57] <trek00> sdhfk: well what error messages it shows?
what is the problem? may be i haven't understood it
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291[01:53:10] <sdhfk> no error
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292[01:53:17] <sdhfk> just go black and steam goes out
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293[01:53:23] <sdhfk> of my screen
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295[01:53:45] <trek00> sdhfk: and this when? every time you
launch steam?
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296[01:53:53] <sdhfk> yes
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297[01:54:06] <sdhfk> steam goes out and chrome and firefox and
other stupid things go black
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299[01:54:12] <sdhfk> they didnt do that in windows
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300[01:54:54] <trek00> sdhfk: well try to close all the firefox
and chrome windows and only then try again to launch steam
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301[01:54:59] <gcask> Oh. My. Goodness. Thank you so much.
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302[01:55:01] <sdhfk> but when I installed line-nux it deleted
my microsoft account from the login screen
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303[01:55:09] <geek1011> gcask: did it work?
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306[01:55:26] <gcask> geek1011: looks like it.
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307[01:56:02] <geek1011> gcask: good. I suggest you reboot if
possible just to make sure things are cleaned up properly.
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308[01:56:06] <veloce> Trek00 and geek1011: thank you the help,
solved that error. Now I'm getting
another..."dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
'xmlBuf"
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309[01:56:13] <trek00> sdhfk: do you mean that you can't
login on windows or you can't boot windows?
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310[01:56:18] <gcask> Now... The entry described here:
replaced-url
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311[01:56:31] <gcask> That's what I want in my fstab for
the mount to survive a reboot right?
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312[01:56:38] <geek1011> veloce: that sounds like an old
application; what are you trying to compile?
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314[01:57:14] <veloce> geek1011: Yeah, it's Icecast, an
audio streaming server
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316[01:57:32] <geek1011> gcask: just to make sure, you are
trying to bind mount /home/var on /var?
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317[01:57:52] <geek1011> veloce: let me try compiling it, give
me a moment
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319[01:58:26] <trek00> veloce: icecast2 is already packaged for
debian if you need it
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320[01:58:28] <gcask> geek1011: To be crystal clear: /home/var
is the _real_ directory. /var was a symlink to it.
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322[01:58:50] <gcask> geek1011: now it's a bind mount to
/home/var (so /var -> /home/var)
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323[01:58:50] <geek1011> gcask: yes, and you now want it as a
bind mount?
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324[01:58:54] <gcask> yes
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325[01:59:08] <geek1011> gcask: and /home is on a separate
partition, or not?
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327[01:59:15] <gcask> yes
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329[01:59:33] <veloce> Trek00:. AH. That will make life a lot
easier. Thank you.
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330[01:59:59] <trek00> geek1011: do you have much free space on
/ ?
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333[02:00:07] <veloce> Trek00:. I'm giving up on compiling
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334[02:00:25] <geek1011> gcask: so yes, something like that, but
also add: "x-systemd.requires=/home,x-systemd.automount"
to the options
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335[02:00:35] <gcask> geek1011: nah, /home is my largest
partition
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336[02:00:54] <geek1011> gcask: that's to make sure it
mounts after /home
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337[02:01:05] <geek1011> gcask: what do you mean by it's
your largest partition?
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341[02:01:43] <gcask> On my server, / is on /dev/root and /home
on /dev/sda2
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342[02:02:22] <geek1011> gcask: yes, but why would that matter?
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343[02:02:31] <geek1011> veloce: I've gotten it to compile
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344[02:02:50] <veloce> Trek00 and geek1011: thanks again.
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346[02:02:55] <gcask> geek1011: I dunno? You asked about my
freespace on /?
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351[02:03:40] <geek1011> veloce:
replaced-url
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354[02:03:58] <trek00> geek1011: sorry for my intrusion, veloce
give up compiling and instead installed icecast2 package, gcask
replied to you about freespace but I was asking about it
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358[02:04:24] <geek1011> gcask: oh, that doesn't matter for
this
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359[02:04:32] <geek1011> trek00: it's ok
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361[02:05:00] <geek1011> veloce: for future reference, apt
install build-essential libvorbis-dev libxslt1-dev; ./configure;
make; make install
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362[02:05:04] <gcask> geek1011 trek00 haha ok. Thanks a ton both
of you for the help <3
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363[02:05:14] <geek1011> no problem
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364[02:05:18] * geek1011 is going to make dinner now
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365[02:05:22] <ZaZaGX> shit, i think i have a virus
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366[02:05:36] <geek1011> lol, what is happening ZaZaGX?
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367[02:05:54] <trek00> gcask: if you can snapshot your server,
it could be a good idea in case you break it
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368[02:06:05] <sdhfk> i got hundreds of virus on windows
according to Avast, but it didn't do anything bad
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369[02:06:23] <sdhfk> i got a bunch of spam, but no credit card
was stolen
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370[02:06:43] <ZaZaGX> i think a trojan horse virus was attach
to my net code when i was surfing on something
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371[02:06:51] <sdhfk> my friend told me Linux doesn't get
virus, so that's why i installed it
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372[02:07:12] <sdhfk> but now steam goes out so I think Linux
and people are incompetent
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373[02:07:15] <ZaZaGX> using a VPN over the Tor web browser
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374[02:07:22] <veloce> geek1011: thanks again.
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376[02:07:30] <geek1011> veloce: no problem
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378[02:07:39] <geek1011> ZaZaGX: what exactly is happening?
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379[02:07:49] * geek1011 will be back in an hour or two
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380[02:07:59] <ZaZaGX> i'm getting paranoid
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382[02:08:03] <sdhfk> good riddance
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383[02:08:12] <sdhfk> ZaZaGX: switch to DOS
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386[02:08:18] <sdhfk> it has no security issues now
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387[02:08:22] <sdhfk> and doesn't work with tor
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388[02:08:23] <ZaZaGX> isn't that worse?
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389[02:08:25] <sdhfk> so no more virus
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390[02:08:30] <sdhfk> no tor, no virus
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393[02:08:49] <ZaZaGX> i don't want to use Lynx virtual
terminal browser, it has no pictures
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394[02:08:58] <gcask> It survived reboot, everything is booting
correctly! Appreciate it everyone <3
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400[02:09:22] <sdhfk> you have no pictuees
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401[02:09:31] <ZaZaGX> well i mean images
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403[02:09:55] <ZaZaGX> I think the CIA or the FBI is onto me
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405[02:10:09] <sdhfk> the fbi is awesome
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406[02:10:12] <sdhfk> unlike you
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408[02:10:31] <ZaZaGX> :(
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409[02:10:37] <trek00> gcask: you simply added bind mount to
fstab?
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411[02:11:31] <gcask> trek00: yeah after unlinking the symlink.
turned it into a bind-mount, there, done.
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412[02:11:44] <trek00> gcask: good!
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414[02:12:18] <gcask> trek00: yup! Now I can upgrade from
stretch into buster ^^
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418[02:15:21] <ZaZaGX> well, i just formatted
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421[02:15:55] <rant> ZaZaGX: links2 does images
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422[02:16:02] <trek00> ZaZaGX: it's always better if the
threat is unknown
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423[02:16:26] <rant> ZaZaGX: are you italian?
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424[02:16:49] <ZaZaGX> no, i'm asian
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425[02:17:02] <rant> ah, well then its the CIA
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426[02:17:22] <rant> FBI = Forever Bothing Italians, CIA =
Constantly Interrogating Asians
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427[02:17:31] <ZaZaGX> i think rant is a FBI informant
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428[02:17:48] <ZaZaGX> lurking on the freenodes
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429[02:18:40] <trek00> ZaZaGX: we are all FBI employees here :)
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430[02:18:45] <ZaZaGX> oh geez
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431[02:18:58] <ZaZaGX> i spotted the feds
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432[02:19:26] <ZaZaGX> if this was in real life and at defcon, i
could win a prize if i spot a fed
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433[02:20:22] <ZaZaGX> i think i might have FoxAcid 2.0
installed on my Debian
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435[02:22:57] <trek00> ZaZaGX: you should use a tor and browser
on different systems and be sure the one with browser can't
connect to the internet
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436[02:23:36] <ZaZaGX> I was using a VPN over TOR
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445[02:28:32] <ZaZaGX> maybe i need to wipe down phyiscally
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452[02:33:59] <rant> ZaZaGX: always wipe front to back..
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453[02:34:49] <ZaZaGX> no, i mean wipe, like erasing it forever
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454[02:35:34] <ZaZaGX> man, i'm kind of pissed, ISP are
working with the government and monitoring people. regardlessly if
you have VPN and TOR
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479[02:57:17] <carlino3> what is the last stable linux kernel
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481[02:57:46] <carlino3> got a new server and i notice that is
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482[02:57:53] <carlino3> what kernel should i install to be safe
(for now) ?
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483[02:58:35] <binaryhermit> security fixes should have been
backported to the debian kernel as needed
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484[02:59:33] <binaryhermit> I'd "sudo apt update
&& sudo apt upgrade" unless someone can be more helpful
than I am
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487[03:00:03] <binaryhermit> I'm hanging out at mcdonalds
and packages.debian.org is blocked because heavyhanded censorship
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490[03:02:01] <carlino3> makes sense, who goes to mcdonalds to
update his system lol
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491[03:02:19] <binaryhermit> let me see if I can at least ssh
tunnel through one of my servers, my laptop's got some...
interesting software bugs unrelated to debian right now
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492[03:02:55] <ZaZaGX> use a vpn
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493[03:03:14] <ZaZaGX> unless thats blocked too
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494[03:05:05] <binaryhermit> ...that's one of the sotftware
bugs I was talking about
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497[03:05:16] <binaryhermit> but it's beyond the scope of
this channel
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499[03:06:02] <binaryhermit> and also, 4.9 implies stretch,
while buster has been out for a little over a month, you might want
to consider migrating to it in the not-too-distant future
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501[03:06:35] <binaryhermit> (it should be fully supported for
almost another year, though, and lts support might meet your needs
for a couple years after that)
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502[03:07:08] <carlino3> i want to do the best i can
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504[03:07:34] <ZaZaGX> oh, no idea. i just started using Debian
10. i just quit Ubuntu
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505[03:07:39] <binaryhermit> it's fine to stay on stretch
for now, it's just probably a good idea to start planning to
move to buster
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506[03:07:42] <ZaZaGX> for many years
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507[03:08:33] <binaryhermit> then again, Solaris 12 is supported
through like 2034 and I feel like it's a good idea to start
planning how you're going to move away from it, so I'm
"that guy"
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508[03:09:03] <binaryhermit> (it seems like kinda a dead-ish
platform that's dying more, but that's beyond the scope of
this channel)
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511[03:09:32] <ZaZaGX> can't you go to starbucks and use
the wifi instead?
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513[03:10:21] <binaryhermit> shrug
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514[03:10:51] <binaryhermit> I also could go home if it was that
important, or tether to my cell phone, or possibly other options
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518[03:12:30] <ZaZaGX> oh yeah, i guess you are looking for a
quick fix via terminal
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522[03:14:44] <carlino3> well, i did the update and upgrade but
i still seeing 4.9.x kernels in apt
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524[03:15:18] <ZaZaGX> are you using debian 9?
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526[03:15:50] <LtL> carlino3: update ; upgrade ; full-upgrade
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527[03:16:08] <carlino3> honestly no idea, they just gave me a
"debian server"
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528[03:16:11] <ZaZaGX> I have kernel 4.19
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529[03:16:16] <LtL> carlino3: not using ';' however
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530[03:16:17] <carlino3> Linux server 4.9.0-7-amd64 #1 SMP
Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u2 (2018-08-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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531[03:16:22] <carlino3> this is the output of uname --all
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536[03:17:39] <LtL> carlino3: did you run apt full-upgrade after
the update, upgrade with a proper sources.list modification?
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537[03:18:11] <carlino3> i didn't, i ran "apt update
&& apt upgrade"
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539[03:18:21] <carlino3> should i run full-upgrade now or do i
have to modify sources.list?
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540[03:18:36] <LtL> carlino3: you need full-upgrade at this
stage
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543[03:19:21] <carlino3> ok, ill do
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544[03:19:27] <LtL> carlino3: and yes, edit sources.lst pointng
at buster before all of the aforementioned commands
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547[03:19:43] <carlino3> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to
remove and 0 not upgraded.
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550[03:19:52] <carlino3> just outputs that
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554[03:20:26] <LtL> carlino3: did you edit /etc/apt/sources.list
at all?
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555[03:20:42] <LtL> !buster sources.list
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556[03:20:42] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Buster" has three lines: "deb
replaced-url
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559[03:21:53] <LtL> carlino3: you may want to append non-free
and contrib to each line, especially if you need firmwares
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560[03:21:54] <carlino3> LtL, no
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562[03:22:20] <carlino3> what should i put there?
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567[03:24:57] <LtL> carlino3: exactly what dpkg said, appending
contrib and non-free on each line, like i said. to be sure you get
packages you may need that are not in main
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568[03:25:53] <LtL> carlino3: -then- apt update apt upgrade and
finally apt full-upgrade
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569[03:26:15] <carlino3> let's see
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573[03:27:54] <carlino3> i did and the result is the same (after
downloading some packages)
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575[03:28:23] <carlino3> just to be clear, what i'm trying
to do is to update the kernel to the last version, since i found
many vulnerabilities in CVE databases matching the current kernel
version
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576[03:28:35] <carlino3> should i install last debian version
from a new ISO?
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580[03:29:32] <LtL> carlino3: you should have as of today,
kernel 4.19.0-5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.37-5+deb10u2 (2019-08-08)
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581[03:30:05] <LtL> carlino3: no need to install from .iso. just
modify sources.list
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582[03:30:08] <trek00> carlino3: as you are using the oldstable,
you will get the updates with some days of delay
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584[03:30:16] <carlino3> that is the last kernel version right?
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585[03:30:21] <binaryhermit> matching cve vulnerabilities
against version 4.9 of the linux kernel as provided by debian is
useless
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586[03:30:29] <carlino3> i have "Linux server 4.9.0-7-amd64
#1 SMP Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u2 (2018-08-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux"
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587[03:30:39] <binaryhermit> as the security fixes should have
been backported
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588[03:31:11] <dvs> carlino3, did you reboot after downloading
the kernels?
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589[03:31:15] <carlino3> binaryhermit: how can i be sure of
that?
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590[03:31:18] <carlino3> i'm a little paranoid
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592[03:31:39] <binaryhermit> shrug
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593[03:32:15] <ZaZaGX> you could reinstall the iso. but its more
work
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594[03:32:16] <carlino3> dvs: i did not downloaded anything, i
have the default config that came with the server
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595[03:32:32] <carlino3> maybe i'm not understaning well
how this works.
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596[03:32:44] <carlino3> does each distro develop his own
version of the linux kernel?
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597[03:32:49] <LtL> carlino3: as dvs mentioned did you reboot? a
stretch to buster dist-upgrade involves hundreds of packages
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598[03:32:50] <dvs> yes
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599[03:33:12] <trek00> carlino3: with the security-tracker you
can put the bug like CVE-2019-13272 and check if it is vulnerable or
fixed
replaced-url
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600[03:33:25] <ZaZaGX> yes
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601[03:33:31] <carlino3> ohh, great
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605[03:34:16] <carlino3> i thought that all distros used the
same linux kernel source
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607[03:34:33] <ZaZaGX> each distro maintains and dist
differently
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608[03:34:41] <carlino3> so the same kernel version could have a
vulnerability patched in one distro but unpatched in another?
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609[03:34:50] <ZaZaGX> yup
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610[03:35:04] <trek00> carlino3: yes but for each major version
(like 4.9 or 4.19) they gets an updated minor version (4.9.128 or
4.19.37)
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611[03:35:11] <carlino3> that is a little confusing
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612[03:35:27] <jim> carlino3, it starts out being the same as
what you can get from (say) kernel.org... but then, some dists try
to fix issues with the kernel
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613[03:35:38] <carlino3> i will reboot and see what happens
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614[03:35:43] <LtL> carlino3:
replaced-url
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623[03:39:17] <carlino3> rebooted and the same results
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627[03:41:01] <LtL> carlino3: your /etc/apt/sources.list cannot
be correct.
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631[03:42:04] <carlino3> let me check
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634[03:45:45] <carlino3> LtL:
replaced-url
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635[03:46:01] <jim> you could show it to us: cat
/etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999
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636[03:46:45] <dvs> carlino3, you only need three lines! There
are multiple repeats in there.
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639[03:47:49] <LtL> carlino3: use this add stuff later, yours is
just wrong.
replaced-url
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640[03:48:44] <LtL> carlino3: you are updating to buster, right?
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641[03:48:45] <dvs> carlino3, and it still specified stretch
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642[03:48:46] <carlino3> LtL: i have stretch, does that matters?
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643[03:48:54] <dvs> absooutely!
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644[03:49:05] <dvs> that's the reason why you're not
getting new pakcages
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645[03:49:15] <LtL> hell yeah
replaced-url
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648[03:49:58] <carlino3> ok, now it is downloading new packages
:)
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649[03:50:05] <dvs> ...
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650[03:50:25] <carlino3> just to let it clear, what are the
differneces between stretch, wheezy, buster and so on?
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652[03:50:42] <dvs> carlino3, debian 8, debian 9, debian 10, etc
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653[03:50:42] <ZaZaGX> they are different toy story charcters
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654[03:50:52] <ZaZaGX> characters
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655[03:50:53] <LtL> carlino3: version 8, 9, 10
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656[03:51:09] <ZaZaGX> that too
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657[03:51:14] <LtL> excuse me, i left out jessie
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658[03:52:30] <carlino3> toy story characters? really?
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659[03:52:34] <carlino3> lol
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660[03:52:45] <LtL> carlino3: have a beer, it'll be awhile
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663[03:53:19] <ZaZaGX> yeah, they named them after toy story
characters
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664[03:53:41] <ZaZaGX> Buster is Debian 10, and he is
Andy's toy dog
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665[03:53:47] <carlino3> didn't notice that detail
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666[03:53:55] <dvs> ZaZaGX, no, buster is the REAL dog
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667[03:54:07] <carlino3> so basically i'm updating to
debian 10
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668[03:54:09] <carlino3> understood
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669[03:54:13] <dvs> carlino3, that's the MOST important
detail
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670[03:54:33] <LtL> yes carlino3 10, buster
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671[03:54:34] <dvs> ZaZaGX, slink is the toy dog
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672[03:55:02] <ZaZaGX> oh crap, i thought he was the slinkee dog
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673[03:55:27] <dvs> !buster
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674[03:55:27] <dpkg> Buster is the codename for the current
<stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06.
"Buster" is Andy's pet Dachsund in Toy Story, see
replaced-url
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676[03:57:03] <ZaZaGX> my friend wants to sell his macbook air
model 2015, i believe he needs more money for crack
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677[03:58:26] <carlino3> what should i answer to question like
"a new version of xxx.conf is available: install package
mantainer version, keep current version, etc"
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680[03:59:02] <dvs> carlino3, chances are you want to keep the
existing version.
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681[03:59:17] <carlino3> i choosed "install mantainer
version"
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682[03:59:24] <carlino3> hope that i didn't broke anything
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683[03:59:35] <dvs> ...
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684[04:00:11] <carlino3> ok, now i see
linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64 as the latest kernel version for my
architecture
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685[04:00:27] <carlino3> installing that package is enough or do
i have to configure it?
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687[04:00:35] <trek00> carlino3: you will get old config files
named like *.dpkg-old
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689[04:00:39] <geek1011> ,v linux-image-amd64
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690[04:00:40] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 --
jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u6;
stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u7;
stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9+80+deb9u8; stretch-backports:
4.19+105~bpo9+1; bullseye: 4.19+105; buster: 4.19+105; sid: 5.2+106
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691[04:01:06] <carlino3> geek1011: sorry, what do you mean by
that?
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693[04:01:17] <geek1011> just checking
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694[04:01:53] <ksk> carlino3: check the release notes -
sometimes configurations for things change (daemons most likely) -
in general keep the original, or take a quick look at the diff
(depending on size..)
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695[04:02:13] <carlino3> i will see if something fails later xD
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696[04:02:16] <ksk> talking about release-upgrades here, not a
normal "apt upgrade" inside one release.
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698[04:02:27] <carlino3> now, i have the last kernel package
installed. how do i use that kernel instead of the old one?
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699[04:02:36] <dvs> carlino3, reboo
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700[04:02:38] <dvs> t
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701[04:02:42] <carlino3> thanks
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702[04:02:47] <ksk> dpkg/update-grub should have done that
automagicly, just reboot.
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704[04:04:53] <carlino3> root@server:~# uname --allLinux server
4.19.0-5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.37-5+deb10u2 (2019-08-08) x86_64
GNU/Linux
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705[04:04:59] <carlino3> thanks to all!!
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707[04:05:18] <carlino3> now i feel a bit safer
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709[04:05:36] <ZaZaGX> lol
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710[04:05:44] <dvs> ???
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711[04:06:20] <carlino3> what is funny?
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714[04:08:31] <LtL> carlino3: uname -a is quicker, and yours is
fine.
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715[04:09:32] <carlino3> i won't loose a finger for tyiping
2 extra characters lol
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716[04:10:15] <LtL> carlino3: to be certain, type
'lsb_release -a'
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717[04:10:32] <carlino3> Distributor ID: DebianDescription:
Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)Release: 10Codename: buster
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718[04:10:38] <carlino3> all ok :)
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719[04:10:47] <trek00> yes :)
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720[04:10:49] <LtL> carlino3: good to go
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721[04:11:07] <dvs> except for the replaces config!!
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723[04:11:19] <carlino3> for the moment, nothing weird has
happened
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727[04:11:45] <trek00> carlino3: you can check them with find
/etc -iname "*.dpkg*"
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728[04:12:19] <carlino3> just two config files
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729[04:12:29] <carlino3> vmware-tools and ca-certificates
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731[04:12:51] <carlino3> first one is related to virtualization
system, second one sounds more serious
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733[04:13:09] <carlino3> should i check those config files?
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734[04:13:17] <dvs> carlino3, what is the exact filename of the
ca-certificates file?
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735[04:13:21] <trek00> carlino3: well you are warned, if you get
something strange with vmware or ssl connections, check these files
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738[04:15:39] <carlino3> oijo
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739[04:15:46] <carlino3> . /etc/ca-certificates.conf
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740[04:15:54] <Abdullah> Eid Al-Azha Mabrook to all Muslims.
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741[04:16:07] <dvs> carlino3, the one with the "dpkg"
extension
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742[04:16:16] <carlino3> that file
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743[04:16:21] <carlino3> just with dpkg extension
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744[04:16:31] <dvs> carlino3, what is the dpkg extension?
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745[04:16:39] <carlino3> dpkg-old
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746[04:16:40] <dvs> it's not just dpkg
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747[04:16:52] <carlino3> that is the replaced file
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748[04:16:55] <carlino3> should i restore it?
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749[04:17:04] <dvs> carlino3, ah, the one with the dpkg-old can
be erased. You installed the new version
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751[04:17:14] <dvs> to ca-certificates
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799[05:09:41] <EoflaOE> Hi ZaZaGX
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804[05:15:45] <ZaZaGX> oh so late lo
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805[05:15:55] <ZaZaGX> you use debian now?
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809[05:16:46] <EoflaOE> No, still Ubuntu. However I have a
Debian VM on my new PC.
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810[05:16:57] <dvs> !lart EoflaOE
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811[05:16:58] * dpkg steals EoflaOE's mojo
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812[05:17:25] <Abdullah> How to download a kernel for testing?
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813[05:17:42] <binaryhermit> Could be worse I use Chrome OS on
the desktop
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814[05:17:49] <EoflaOE> dvs: Lol.
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816[05:18:12] <binaryhermit> !lart binaryhermit
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817[05:18:13] * dpkg puts binaryhermit into a headlock and administers
a mighty noogie, rubbing half of binaryhermit's hair of
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819[05:19:22] <dvs> of?
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820[05:19:54] <rant> dpkg cmd: lart $1 =~ s/hair of/hair off/
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821[05:19:54] <dpkg> i didn't have anything called
'cmd: lart $1' to modify, rant
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822[05:20:10] <rant> dpkg cmd: lart (.*?) =~ s/hair of/hair off/
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823[05:20:10] <dpkg> rant: i didn't have anything called
'cmd: lart (.*?)' to modify
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824[05:20:18] <rant> we'll talk about that later :P
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825[05:20:33] <rant> dpkg, yinzersmite myself
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826[05:20:34] * dpkg rode myself dahntahn ta go gall-a-vantin' da
norside wif a Gian Iggle buggy like da rest of da bums.
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827[05:21:17] <rant> either lart isn't a factoid, or I
forgot how to work it.
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829[05:21:27] <ZaZaGX> nice
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830[05:21:40] <ZaZaGX> i quit Ubuntu. I'm using the Debian
10 now
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831[05:21:48] <dvs> rant, it's a weird factoid. It has
several replies
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832[05:22:00] <rant> so does my yinzersmite
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833[05:22:04] <dvs> !prize ZaZaGX
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834[05:22:04] * dpkg gives ZaZaGX a medal.
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835[05:22:22] <trek00> i want a medal too :)
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836[05:22:54] <ZaZaGX> omg, i got a medal and a cookie!
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837[05:22:56] <rant> dpkg, cmd: yinzersmite (.*?) =~ s/wif/wit/
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838[05:22:56] <dpkg> rant: OK
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839[05:23:04] <rant> as you can see it works on my yinzersmite
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840[05:23:23] <rant> which is a randomized multi-response
factoid
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842[05:24:30] <rant> its possible lart is a link
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843[05:24:55] <rant> dpkg, literal lart
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844[05:24:55] <dpkg> "lart" is "<reply> (I
can't believe you don't know what a lart is!|Luser
Attitude Readjustment Tool; otherwise known as a Big Fucking
Stick)"
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845[05:25:17] <dvs> see? that's not it
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846[05:25:24] <rant> dpkg, literal cmd: lart (.*?)
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847[05:25:25] <dpkg> i don't know, rant
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848[05:25:35] <rant> its apparently a built in command not a
factoid
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849[05:25:50] <errolllbj2> what the heck
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850[05:26:36] <ZaZaGX> a big stick eh?
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851[05:26:50] <rant> dpkg, literal cmd: yinzersmite
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852[05:26:51] <dpkg> rant: I wish you would RTFM.
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853[05:26:56] <errolllbj2> didn't find any refrence in
syslog though
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855[05:27:27] <rant> errolllbj2: ?
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856[05:27:29] <errolllbj2> nothing to lead me to
trubleshoot this shit .. so i simply downgrade it again
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860[05:28:27] <n0a110w_> no more cherrytree app in the buster
repo? :(
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861[05:28:42] <rant> ,v cherrytree
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862[05:28:44] <judd> Package: cherrytree on amd64 -- jessie:
0.35.2-1; stretch: 0.37.6-1; sid: 0.37.6-1.1
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864[05:29:13] <rant> ,depends cherrytree
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865[05:29:14] <judd> No package named 'cherrytree' was
found in buster/amd64.
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866[05:29:25] <rant> ,depends cherrytree --suite sid
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867[05:29:26] <judd> (depends <packagename> [--arch
<amd64>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the packages that
are listed as 'Depends' for a given package. By default,
the current stable release and amd64 are used.
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868[05:29:33] <rant> ,depends cherrytree --release sid
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869[05:29:34] <judd> Package cherrytree in sid/amd64 -- depends:
p7zip-full, python-dbus, python-enchant, python-chardet, python-gtk2
(>= 2.16), python-gtksourceview2, python:any (<< 2.8),
python:any (>= 2.7.5-5~).
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870[05:29:38] <n0a110w_> neato
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871[05:29:42] <Abdullah> 11.3 How do I load a console font on
startup the Debian way?
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872[05:29:48] <Abdullah> The kbd package supports this, edit the
/etc/kbd/config file.
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873[05:29:55] <Abdullah> This directory isn't there
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874[05:30:13] <rant> n0a110w_: you could manually download it
from the repo it would seem, all deps are satisfied in buster..
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875[05:30:21] <rant> !why is cherrytree not in testing?
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876[05:30:21] <dpkg> cherrytree is not in testing for the
reasons listed in
replaced-url
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877[05:30:30] <Abdullah> and AFAIK it isn't responsible for
that purpose. I think I added something else to change fonts on
console at boot
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878[05:31:11] <rant> dpkg, console font?
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879[05:31:11] <dpkg> If your console fonts settings have been
changed, you can reset them using the consolechars command
(console-tools package). The default font is default 8x*.
dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
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881[05:31:38] <n0a110w_> thanks rant
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885[05:35:25] <rant> n0a110w_: just download it from
packages.debian.org and install it with dpkg -i using either the
stretch or sid version
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886[05:36:00] <rant> there are links to the package on the
package page
replaced-url
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887[05:36:02] <Abdullah> yeah console-setup is responsible for
that.
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889[05:36:35] <Abdullah> rant: Is packages.debian.org supported
by debian?
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891[05:36:58] <rant> Abdullah: its the official package
information page its on debian.org..
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892[05:37:13] <Abdullah> oh yeah its a subdomain
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893[05:37:18] <rant> Abdullah: this is a niche case.. because
all the dependencies of the package are satisfied
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894[05:37:26] <rant> this isn't always a proper solution to
such issues
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896[05:37:40] <Abdullah> apt knows how to solve dependencies
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897[05:37:46] <rant> and really more proper, but also more
involved would be pinning
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898[05:37:55] <rant> pinning would allow updates
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899[05:38:25] <rant> yes but it trying to resolve the
dependencies in most case will result in frankendebian or a broken
system
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900[05:38:40] <rant> in this case the only two deps with any
version are python-gtk2 and python
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901[05:38:44] <rant> ,v python
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902[05:38:45] <judd> Package: python on amd64 -- jessie:
2.7.9-1; stretch: 2.7.13-2; bullseye: 2.7.16-1; buster: 2.7.16-1;
sid: 2.7.16-1
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903[05:38:48] <rant> ,v python-gtk2
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904[05:38:49] <judd> Package: python-gtk2 on amd64 -- jessie:
2.24.0-4; stretch: 2.24.0-5.1; buster: 2.24.0-5.1+b1; bullseye:
2.24.0-6; sid: 2.24.0-6
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906[05:39:14] <rant> hmm
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907[05:39:23] <rant> ,depends cherrytree --release stretch
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908[05:39:24] <judd> Package cherrytree in stretch/amd64 --
depends: p7zip-full, python-appindicator, python-dbus,
python-enchant, python-chardet, python-gtk2 (>= 2.16),
python-gtksourceview2, python:any (<< 2.8), python:any (>=
2.7.5-5~).
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909[05:39:49] <rant> as you can see above, buster satisfies
those two versioned dependencies
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910[05:40:10] <rant> so this is a rare case where you can
install a stretch or sid version without issues
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911[05:40:42] <rant> other methods include a simple sid
backport, a chroot, a docker image, pinning, etc..
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912[05:41:00] <rant> which one is safest or sanest depends on
the package in quesiton and the needs of the user
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915[05:41:32] <carlino3> i'm adding an user to
"sudo" group
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916[05:41:38] <rant> you can do a generic check do see if you
can simple sid backport with the bot as well
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917[05:41:39] <carlino3> adduser username sudo
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919[05:41:55] <carlino3> but when trying to run command as super
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921[05:41:58] <carlino3> what i'm doing wrong?
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923[05:42:27] <rant> carlino3: that group depends on two
things.. actual membership and a rule for the group
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924[05:42:33] <rant> carlino3: type groups in the terminal
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925[05:42:49] <rant> carlino3: group memberships do not take
affect while logged in
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926[05:43:13] <n0a110w_> i needed to install
python-gtksourceview2 manually first, then installing cherrytree
manually worked
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927[05:43:29] <rant> or you just use gdebi
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928[05:43:47] <rant> n0a110w_: gdebi is a more advanced tool for
manual installs that can resolve dependencies like apt
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930[05:43:57] <n0a110w_> o yeah?
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931[05:43:58] <rant> has both a command line and gui interface
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932[05:44:02] <rant> ,i gdebi
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933[05:44:03] <judd> Package gdebi (admin, optional) in
buster/amd64: simple tool to view and install deb files - GNOME GUI.
Version: 0.9.5.7+nmu3; Size: 40.1k; Installed: 169k; Screenshot:
replaced-url
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934[05:44:15] <n0a110w_> good to know, will check it out
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936[05:45:10] <rant> n0a110w_: if you want that app to be able
to recieve updates you'd have to add a source for the branch
you got it from and pin it so you dont accidentally pull other stuff
from that source
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937[05:45:14] <rant> dpkg, pinning?
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938[05:45:14] <dpkg> Pinning is a method to choose which version
of a package to install when multiple versions are available from
<sources.list>. Bugs are explained at
replaced-url
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939[05:45:15] <carlino3> rant: you are right, logged in again
and worked. sorry for being so stupid :P
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940[05:45:44] <rant> carlino3: its a common mistake
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941[05:45:51] <rant> carlino3: you can also do something like su
- user
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943[05:46:10] <rant> carlino3: which creates a "login"
shell making the group membership take effect
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945[05:46:18] <rant> but only within that shell
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946[05:46:36] <carlino3> good to know, thanks
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961[05:54:27] <Abdullah> Actually I have a new installation. and
I don't use grub or any other extra boot[manager]. So I wanna
check if new kernel is gonna pick the scripts I have in
/etc/{kernel,initramfs}
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963[05:54:41] <Abdullah> so I wanna downgrade to a kernel just
to see that.j
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976[06:03:48] <rant> o.O
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977[06:03:58] <rant> I don't think you know what
you're talking about :D
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981[06:07:45] <rant> grub isn't a boot manager its a
bootloader.. and no machine boots without one just many systems you
don't know its there
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984[06:08:04] <rant> NTLDR or such on Windows typically is never
seen in any way
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986[06:08:14] <rant> uboot on arm machines is usually not seen
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987[06:08:33] <rant> but regardless you always have a bootloader
or you dont have a bootable system
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988[06:09:00] <rant> its not an extra anything, its a required
component
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989[06:09:05] <alkisg> rant: I think abdullah was using uefi
directly to boot debian
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990[06:09:13] <alkisg> Someone here did, I think it was him
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991[06:09:29] <rant> if thats even possible I am not aware of it
:D
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992[06:09:30] <alkisg> With grub completely uninstalled, and
using efi vars to set the kernel cmdline
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993[06:09:41] <rant> but I am still rather blissfully ignorant
to uefi
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994[06:09:52] <rant> I disabled it in every way possible on my
system
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999[06:11:06] <rant> and even if thats a thing, you still have a
bootloader, its just in firmware
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1000[06:11:26] <alkisg> True, bios was a bootloader too, it
loaded sector 0 into ram
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1030[06:29:52] <trek00> interesting, apt pinning could require
architecture to be specified in apt_preferences but it is not
described in man nor wiki, but there is a bug opened at least :)
#881063
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1031[06:29:53] <judd> Bug
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1054[06:46:59] <Abdullah> rebooted to linux 5.2 with secure boot
enabled with no extra boot manager without a problem.
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1058[06:48:09] <Abdullah> rant: don't underestimate people
here. Just fuck your ass if you can't help people here. You
don't deserver this channel. Don't make people hate
#debian
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1061[06:48:35] <annadane> on KDE, when i go to startup and
shutdown and try to set autostart programs, when i click enable on
certain programs (these are .desktop files) there isn't an
"apply" option in the lower right hand corner, so i
can't set associations... i'd installed kde-plasma-desktop
which is a minimal version of KDE, do i need some other package for
this?
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1062[06:48:57] <annadane> not "associations" but i mean
i can't set programs to autostart
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1063[06:49:21] <Abdullah> I use dwm with minimal packages so
can't say something
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1064[06:49:39] <Abdullah> which app you wanna autostart at boot
btw?
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1065[06:49:50] <annadane> redshift and qbittorrent
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1067[06:50:01] <annadane> but that shouldn't matter
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1068[06:50:06] <Abdullah> not sure about qbittorent but
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1069[06:50:12] <rant> Abdullah: well I'll tell you the same
thing I told a girlfriend who suggested such a thing.. I tried.. it
doesn't work.. if its soft enough to bend that way, it
won't go in, and if its hard enough to go in, it won't
bend that way.. but thanks for the suggestion
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1071[06:50:22] <Abdullah> I also use redshift and I autostart it
from .xprofile
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1072[06:50:42] <annadane> i guess but why have a GUI option to do
it and then not be able to do it
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1073[06:51:13] <Abdullah> rant: Try vaseline
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1074[06:51:40] <rant> Abdullah: I'm not really all that
interested.. but I'll keep that in mind
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1075[06:52:25] <trek00> annadane: may be double click on .desktop
file will set associations too?
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1079[06:53:22] <annadane> and so i'm reminded of my main
annoyance of KDE, too many menus...
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1081[06:53:55] <annadane> the Apply button is even there on other
windows but this one just disappears and if i click enable on those
.desktop files it goes away once i switch tabs
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1084[06:55:02] <annadane> hopefully this isn't a bug, there
were some fairly baffling bugs on 5.8 for being the 8th point
release, i hope it isn't the case on 5.14
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1087[06:56:12] <annadane> should i just install via the task...
might fill in potential missing packages
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1089[06:56:25] <annadane> but i kinda doubt it's that
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1091[06:57:54] <SerajewelKS> what's the standard way to tell
the kernel "please reboot the machine but don't bother
shutting down any processes, just please ask the motherboard to
reboot right the fuck now"
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1094[06:58:25] <SerajewelKS> looks like there was a crash in the
ext4 module and no disk I/O works now, somehow i got root as a
miracle
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1097[06:58:36] <Abdullah> SerajewelKS: I do reboot -f but all
processes will be gone.
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1098[06:59:13] <SerajewelKS> Abdullah: perfect, thanks. i forgot
about that.
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1099[06:59:14] <trek00> SerajewelKS: reboot -f
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1100[06:59:36] <SerajewelKS> nothing is going to shut down
gracefully anyway as the ext4 module appears to not want to do
anything anymore so half the processes are stuck in state D
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1111[07:03:16] <Terminator000> hello
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1112[07:03:37] <SerajewelKS> ehm... after running "reboot
-f" is it possible for any processes to be running?
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1113[07:03:54] <SerajewelKS> sshd is not responding but the
server monitoring daemon appears to be running still and is sending
stats off-host!?
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1114[07:05:09] <SerajewelKS> nevermind, the monitoring agent
claims the server was just rebooted. but sshd still isn't up.
guess i just get to wait.
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1116[07:06:11] <SerajewelKS> bleh why does this crap always
happen at midnight
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1120[07:07:18] <Terminator000> installed debian on my laptop
today and im liking it so far :D
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1124[07:08:32] <rant> I installed Debian back in like 2002 and
I'm liking it so far :D
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1125[07:08:50] <Terminator000> lol
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1126[07:09:20] <Terminator000> how is everyone doing?
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1131[07:11:39] <deego> rant: same. I remember woody and potato
from back in the day
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1133[07:12:03] <deego> i mean, it's early days, let's
see if it lasts
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1135[07:12:54] <rant> yeah I'd burned 3cds of 2.2r6 Potato
and installed.. then shortly after Woody released
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1139[07:14:01] <deego> heh, yes, didn't it use to fit on a
few small floppies just before they moved to cds? or was that
something else?
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1148[07:19:07] <rant> idk.. I wasn't using debian before
potato.. but I know Linux orignally was on floppies
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1149[07:19:21] <rant> but that was more than 20 years ago
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1151[07:19:53] <rant> I think the first couple versions of the
linux kernel only worked on floppies actually
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1170[07:32:01] <annadane> okay so i found a window with an apply
button, "autostart" and not just "startup and
shutdown", but if i click enable on the programs i want the
apply button is greyed out and pressing "ok" doesn't
save the option
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1171[07:32:32] <annadane> urge to kill, rising
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1175[07:34:18] <annadane> should just stick to lxqt and be done
with it
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1177[07:34:42] <Terminator000> or use gnome :P
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1178[07:35:32] <annadane> ehhhhh
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1179[07:35:52] <Terminator000> yeah im the weird one who actually
likes it lol
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1180[07:35:59] <annadane> idk it's really not a good look
for KDE when basic options don't work
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1181[07:36:08] <annadane> that's my issue with it
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1182[07:36:20] <annadane> fantastic idea, kind of inconsistent
performance
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1183[07:36:25] <annadane> unless this is a debian issue
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1184[07:36:30] <Terminator000> never used kde before
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1281[08:50:44] <bobbyperu> Is it possible to install and boot
Debian off of a spare HDD in my machine? It has an MBR scheme and
I've tried to partition and mount, but when selecting to boot
it from the BIOS, it only goes back to the BIOS after a few seconds
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1282[08:51:48] <ZaZaGX> i'm not sure
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1284[08:51:59] <ZaZaGX> have you try a live usb flash drive of
the iso?
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1286[08:52:20] <bobbyperu> I'm running off of the live
install right now
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1291[08:54:16] <bobbyperu> I added a 256 MiB linuxswap partition
marked with swap and no mount point. Another 256 MiB fat32 market
with esp, boot, legacy-boot, and /boot/efi mount point, and another
large ext4 with / mount point. I thought that was the correct way
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1296[08:55:54] <diogenes_> bobbyperu, why don't you just use
the live installer and install it to that hdd?
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1298[08:56:43] <bobbyperu> That's what I'm doing, but
it refuses to boot correctly which is what I'm trying to
understand
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1300[08:57:14] <diogenes_> bobbyperu, if it's uefi, make
sure to format hdd as gpt.
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1305[08:58:00] <diogenes_> after that just let the installer
create partitions automatically.
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1306[08:58:29] <bobbyperu> the problem is that there's other
data on the drive, and the installer doesnt want to use only the
unpartitioned space, it wants to erase all of it
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1308[08:59:13] <diogenes_> bobbyperu, of course it wants to erase
it because it's mbr and yo're booting with uefi.
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1310[09:00:07] <alkisg> bobbyperu: mbr and efi? That can't
really work
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1311[09:00:16] <alkisg> If you want BIOS, don't use an EFI
partition
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1312[09:00:23] <alkisg> And, note there's a limit of 4
primary partitions for BIOS
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1314[09:00:37] <alkisg> Pastebin the output of parted -l or fdisk
-l or something...
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1316[09:00:48] <bobbyperu> ok hold on
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1324[09:05:19] <bobbyperu> alkisg,
replaced-url
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1329[09:06:12] <alkisg> bobbyperu: you hit the limit of "4
primary partitions". Delete the "efi" one, as
it's BIOS/MBR so you don't need it
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1335[09:09:08] <bobbyperu> alkisg, ok i'll try that. thanks
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1339[09:10:20] <Abdullah> debian default installation creates an
extra partition with ext2.
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1340[09:10:28] <Abdullah> on an EFI system.
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1344[09:10:49] <alkisg> You mean vfat?
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1347[09:11:10] <Abdullah> It didn't delete the EFI partition
so I had to delete the one with ext2 filesystem on it
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1348[09:11:37] <Abdullah> alkisg: vfat/fat is the first partition
(EFI)
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1354[09:13:40] <Abdullah> alkisg:
replaced-url
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1357[09:15:31] <Abdullah> I went with netinstall iso, chose
expert install, selected encrypted install with manual partitioning.
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1360[09:16:13] <Abdullah> it created some extra partition with
ext2 which was useless for me. so I tried to delete it but then
installer was fucked up.
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1361[09:16:33] <Abdullah> so I got a shell, created partitions,
installed debian
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1362[09:17:09] <Abdullah> I don't use grub or other boot
managers so I don't need another extra partition
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1366[09:17:43] <Abdullah> I think they do create an extra
partition for the sake of windows lusers who wanna try dual boot.
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1385[09:25:11] <alkisg> Abdullah: UEFI requires vfat to boot; and
that's the same whether you use linux, windows, grub or not, or
any combination of them
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1387[09:25:34] <alkisg> If the installer created ext2 instead,
that would be a bug, but not related to windows users, as they
don't read ext2 anyway
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1390[09:26:09] <Abdullah> alkisg: I think creating ext2
isn't a bug.
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1392[09:26:17] <alkisg> UEFI can't read ext2
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1393[09:26:23] <alkisg> So it can't boot from there
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1395[09:26:51] <Abdullah> I understand that. well, they create
ext2 and then mount EFI partition there.
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1396[09:27:23] <alkisg> Creating ext2 for /boot and creating vfat
for /boot/efi isn't a bug; but vfat is needed
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1397[09:28:01] <Abdullah> lemme check my fstab. I hope I have
left those line commented there
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1398[09:28:15] <Abdullah> vfat they didn't created but also
didn't delete it.
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1400[09:28:42] <Abdullah> vfat was EFI partition there and I
still had binaries from old installation there.
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1401[09:28:42] <alkisg> If you already had a vfat, it
wouldn't need to create an additional one
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1402[09:28:46] <humpled> haven't yet handled a machine new
enough to use uefi
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1403[09:29:49] <alkisg> In any case, when I commented on the
following, I meant "vfat is needed"; you already had vfat,
so no further comment from me :) (10:10:20 AM) Abdullah: debian
default installation creates an extra partition with ext2.
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1405[09:30:13] <alkisg> I think ext2 /boot gets created for lvm,
but I'm not using lvm so I'm not sure
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1406[09:30:14] <Abdullah> alkisg:
replaced-url
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1407[09:30:25] <alkisg> I'm sure that debian didn't
create ext2 for me, when NOT using lvm
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1411[09:30:54] <Abdullah> alkisg: yeah I was having lvm encrypted
so maybe it was only in that case.
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1414[09:32:03] <Abdullah> line 10 which is commented now.
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1415[09:32:18] <Abdullah> They mounted EFI there, as /boot/efi
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1417[09:32:58] <Abdullah> I put the vmlinuz and initrd.img in UFI
so it is auto picked when there is an entry in EFI for them.
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1506[10:22:56] <ZaZaGX> i love debian
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1510[10:24:11] <zleap> ZaZaGX::)
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1512[10:24:38] <ZaZaGX> i was going to say ubuntu
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1514[10:24:52] <ZaZaGX> but its not
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1517[10:25:02] <zleap> ok
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1519[10:25:22] <zleap> so do you prefer debian or ubuntu?
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1520[10:25:29] <ZaZaGX> debian
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1521[10:25:54] <ZaZaGX> i just installed debian not so long ago
lol
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1522[10:26:08] <zleap> i switched to debian from Mint
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1523[10:26:19] <ZaZaGX> been using red hat, ubuntu and chrome os
for years
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1524[10:26:23] <diogenes_> debianophille :)
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1525[10:26:29] <zleap> so kinda miss the tool thing for changing
the hardware driver
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1526[10:26:38] <zleap> cvf
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1527[10:26:48] <zleap> brb
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1534[10:27:16] <zleap> back
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1536[10:27:33] <zleap> how do you find chromium works on debian
10
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1537[10:27:45] <zleap> i seem to be having issues with scratch
being very slow
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1538[10:28:13] <ZaZaGX> you install it?
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1539[10:28:21] <zleap> i have
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1540[10:28:31] <ZaZaGX> it works fast for me
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1541[10:28:36] <zleap> hmm
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1542[10:28:41] <zleap> it could be a graphics issue then
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1543[10:28:51] <zleap> just not sure how to update or change
video drivers
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1546[10:29:08] * diogenes_ is going to try debian hurd
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1548[10:29:24] <zleap> diogenes_:the true gnu OS
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1549[10:29:31] <ZaZaGX> can't you just install the nvidia
driver or ati?
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1550[10:29:41] <duri`> after a fresh installation of Buster with
MATE DE, it looks like each tab in MATE Terminal has its own
clipboard, so I can't Shift+Ctrl+C in one tab and Shift+Ctrl+V
in other. any idea how to prevent this behaviour?
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1551[10:29:50] <zleap> i am not sure if that is the issue
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1556[10:30:14] <zleap> problem is if it messes things up
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1558[10:30:42] <ZaZaGX> than, cant you just fix it? :)
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1559[10:30:59] <zleap> i am not that good with doing that
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1560[10:31:10] <ZaZaGX> have you try using google chrome instead?
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1561[10:31:17] <TheWizard> hi
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1562[10:31:18] <zleap> no
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1845[11:31:36] <ville> howdy, i recently installed debian on
arm-based nas, i was wondering what sort of software is there to
make files easily available for other devices on the network? other
linux machines and some android as well.
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1850[11:35:22] <humpled> some suggestions in order of complexity:
netcat, python -m SimpleHTTPServer, vsftpd anonymous, lighttpd,
smbd, apache2, nfs
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1884[11:45:06] <ville> ok i'll have a look at those. i
suppose vsftpd, smbd, nfs and sshfs look most likely something where
i could have the networked storage be mounted as "normal"
looking device on my other machines
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1893[11:48:13] <ville> i've terrible recollections of
security about smb from the late 90s, that's likely improved
since?
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1911[11:55:59] <humpled> just using it to make files available,
ie. anonymous download-only access, as with ftp in this mode i
don't think it can be bad
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1912[11:58:30] <ZaZaGX> sounds bad
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1913[11:58:43] <Azlux> I currently use sftp.
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1916[11:59:24] <newtodeb> but nfs is not an ftp option or am i
wrong? isnt it like an attached storage ?
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1918[12:00:00] <humpled> yes it's attached storage, a whole
unixy samba type thing
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1919[12:00:37] <newtodeb> funny just wanted to ask you guys about
good ftp options logged in and you are already talking about ftp ;D
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1923[12:01:53] <ville> sshfs looks like simple enough mechanism,
nothing to do in the server side, just install it on the client
machines and mount
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1925[12:02:40] <ville> (now obviously this is a trap and i am
going to pay for it eventually)
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1929[12:04:33] <BCMM> the main thing is that sftp performance is
not the absolute greatest
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1930[12:04:38] <newtodeb> so guys can you recommend using vsftpd
if i need it for uploading and downloading, is it possible to upload
windowslike files and download without getting them corrupted?
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1931[12:04:45] <BCMM> but it's realistically unlikely to be
the bottleneck
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1933[12:05:56] <BCMM> ville: are you prepared to install software
on the Android machines?
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1936[12:06:19] <BCMM> i mean, if you want to share with droid
just out-of-the-box i think an http server is probably the only
option
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1944[12:10:23] <ville> BCMM: yeah i am fine installing some kind
of software to the android devices. those in general just want to
play music from the nas.
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1947[12:10:49] <BCMM> ville: oh, if you just want to play music,
consider a protocol that's specifically for that
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1948[12:11:10] <BCMM> e.g. you can set up upnp av (nearly the
same thing as dlna)
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1949[12:11:24] <ville> BCMM: that's for the android devices,
the linux devices use the nas for other stuff
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1951[12:11:36] <BCMM> well, one can do both
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1954[12:11:55] <ville> BCMM: right. i'll look up what upnp
av is
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1955[12:12:44] <karlpinc> newtodeb: vsftpd is good if you want
use ftp, which nobody should want to use. Use sftp instead if you
want passwords, or plain http otherwise.
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1959[12:13:41] <BCMM> ville: basically install minidlna on the
nas and point it at the music directory, and use the upnp av player
of your choice on android. it'll provide a user interface
that's actually intended for media, like listing all tracks by
an artist easily, showing album art if you have it, etc.
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1960[12:14:24] <BCMM> also you can do fun stuff like using your
phone to tell your TV or whatever to play a file directly from your
NAS
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1961[12:14:29] <karlpinc> newtodeb: sftp is done with sshd, http
with any webserver (lighthttpd, nginx)
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1962[12:14:42] <karlpinc> lighttpd
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1963[12:14:47] <ville> BCMM: is this upnp av for situations where
the NAS it self would pay the music out of its soundcard, or where
the client devices play the music out of their soundcards?
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1964[12:14:48] <BCMM> (mine's a dumb TV with a raspberry pi
attached to it, but a lot of smart TVs have support built-in)
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1965[12:15:12] <BCMM> ville: either is possible
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1966[12:15:20] <ville> BCMM: alright. i'll keep reading
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1967[12:15:28] <Bushmills> Best transfer option I found to and
from Android is actually scp/sftp. This by using a Magisk module
"ssh for Magisk" which launches sshd on Android device
boot and allows key authentication
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1968[12:15:32] <BCMM> ville: but i was talking about a situation
in which the NAS streams music to the android device, to be played
on android
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1969[12:15:51] <ville> BCMM: yeah that's the scenario i was
intending as well
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1970[12:16:22] <Bushmills> Result: I can at any time simply
connect to the Android device, without preparation, once installed
and set up.
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1973[12:17:21] <BCMM> ville: there's three types of device
in the protocol: servers, which just host the files; renderers,
which *play* the files (usually streaming directly from a server);
and "control points", which don't actually touch the
files at all, but can send commands to renderers
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1974[12:17:25] <Bushmills> there's also a full rsync (not
the crippled busybox rsync) coming with that module, for convenient
rsync transfers to and from.
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1976[12:19:20] <ville> BCMM: ok that explains some of the terms
nicely. thanks. i was wondering what the heck "renderer"
was
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1986[12:24:12] <ville> i'd like to make my nas easily
discoverable when i am outside the local network, so i guess some
sort of dynamic ip dns service is in order? any recommendations?
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1989[12:26:13] <Bushmills> bind with dynamic zones :)
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1999[12:28:04] <Bushmills> ("bind" as in "the
server", not as in "the verb")
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2000[12:28:34] <ville> Bushmills: sounds exotic or not something
i immediately understand what you mean. this is a nas at my home, at
the end of an ordinary home dsl line that gets assigned dynamic ip
address by the provider
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2002[12:29:02] <Bushmills> I understood. I use a similar setup
here, with two twists.
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2003[12:29:40] <Bushmills> those two twists require one
precondition which is probably not given in your case, which is why
I appended a :)
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2008[12:32:20] <centrix> I ported samba from Jessie to Buster.
Now I observe winbindd on Debian 10 using 30-40% CPU while on Jessie
it eats 8-10.
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2009[12:32:22] <centrix>
replaced-url
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2010[12:32:27] <Bushmills> Result is that I can reach devices
behind the firewalling router/gateway directly by their (RFC1918) ip
address also from outside (such as, from a mobile Android device)
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2011[12:32:29] <centrix> Thanks for hints.
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2013[12:33:04] <centrix> Approx. the same number of users.
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2014[12:33:52] <Bushmills> (including the - periodically powered
on - NAS, and the - alway on - replication server)
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2015[12:35:10] <Bushmills> but as you asked for
"recommendations", not "recommendations excluding
this or that scenario", I felt free to throw in my
recommendation too
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2019[12:37:07] <ville> Bushmills: oh it's fine. more the
merrier. i couldn't be that much more confused than i am right
now
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2020[12:39:46] <Bushmills> precondition is, a server with static
address somewhere. bind is a name server, something which those
dynamic ip services use too for offering their services. That way,
one can essentially host such a service himself. other part is a VPN
server which allows connected devices to talk to each other as if
they were on the same network (which they, logically, actually,
are).
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2023[12:40:36] <Bushmills> in fact, that bind server
wouldn't be needed in such a VPN scenario, but it's still
convenient.
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2024[12:42:01] <Bushmills> my NAS also connects to that VPN when
booting
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2027[12:42:58] <ville> yeah, don't really have anything with
a static address i've access to. so some sort of dynamic dns
service it is?
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2030[12:43:42] <Bushmills> I'd say a VPN still beats using a
dynamic service
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2032[12:44:05] <Bushmills> (among other, making such a service
unnecessary)
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2043[12:56:29] <Bushmills> for a dns service, including
dynamically updating records, I'd probably have a look at
hurricane electric,
replaced-url
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2045[12:57:19] <Bushmills> more comprehensive service offer than
the common and generally known dynamic dns services
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2047[12:57:33] <BCMM> ville: basically, use a dynamic dns server.
you can't self-host your DNS on dynamic IP
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2049[12:58:34] <BCMM> you can use ddclient (included in debian)
to inform the provider of IP address changes
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2050[12:59:19] <BCMM> (and if you don't want to concern
yourself with securing every different service you host, you might
want to consider a vpn)
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2051[12:59:31] <Bushmills> ddlcient is also compatible with
he.net
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2052[13:00:55] <BCMM> yup
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2055[13:03:06] <BCMM> Bushmills: does he.net offer a pool of free
domains like e.g. afraid.org? i kind of thought you had to bring
your own domain
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2058[13:04:30] <Bushmills> I can't tell for sure - never
actually used their free dns services. I was with them when
tunneling ipv6 before I moved that over to own servers too.
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2062[13:05:10] <BCMM> i keep meaning to delegate a subdomain to
them, but my DNS provider doesn't offer NS records on their web
interface, so i'd have to open a ticket and stuff...
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2064[13:05:43] <BCMM> so in the meantime i'm just using
afraid.org because you get to use one of the many domains they
already have there
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2065[13:05:45] <Bushmills> I liked that they put technical
details already on their introductory pages, rather than pretending
to be a "fire and forget" company
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2068[13:06:56] <Bushmills> then for you, hosting your own dns may
be an option too
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2070[13:07:13] <Bushmills> as in, running your own name servers
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2073[13:07:49] <Bushmills> i suppose when you're already
involved with DNS providers, there'll be machines with static
addresses already
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2074[13:07:51] <BCMM> for me? not really
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2075[13:08:11] <BCMM> basically i've got a shared hosting
account, does my email and websites and stuff
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2076[13:08:45] <BCMM> i don't want to just move DNS away
from them completely, because they have a whole lot of subdomains
for cpanel and so on that i don't want to have to be
responsible for directly
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2077[13:08:56] <Habbie> if they have an API, you could host your
'dynamic' record there
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2078[13:09:05] <BCMM> they don't offer dynamic dns; i
checked
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2080[13:09:16] <Habbie> if they don't, you can CNAME a
single name to a provider that does
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2084[13:09:48] <BCMM> or i could have a subdomain delegated to
he.net
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2086[13:10:04] <Habbie> yes
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2088[13:10:43] <BCMM> mainly haven't done it yet because i
don't wanna be the customer just opening tickets all the time,
and i already nagged them about the spam filter and how they
didn't document their nonstandard ssh port and stuff
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2095[13:13:57] <manARMy> Good day. I have exim4 light, can
receive emails. I typed sendmail but command not found. I wonder if
apt-get install sendmail will break my exim4 ?
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2098[13:15:32] <BCMM> manARMy: do you have a /usr/sbin/sendmail?
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2099[13:15:41] <BCMM> perhaps /usr/sbin just isn't in your
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2102[13:17:18] <BCMM> exim4-daemon-light should include symlinks
at /usr/sbin/sendmail and /usr/lib/sendmail
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2104[13:18:09] <manARMy> /usr/sbin/sendmail: symbolic link to
exim4 Thank you
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2106[13:18:38] <Bushmills> manARMy: "will break my
exim4" - yes. it will replace it.
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2108[13:19:27] <Bushmills> actually,sendmail-bin will, but
that's a dependency of sendmail
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2109[13:19:54] <BCMM> manARMy: basically few people use the real
"sendmail" any more. MTAs like exim are compatible
replacements for it.
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2111[13:21:06] <Bushmills> there's also ssmtp which provides
sendmail executable and can forward to an - even local - exim4
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2112[13:21:44] <Bushmills> though using this with an MTA on same
server sounds a bit rube-goldbergish
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2113[13:22:05] <BCMM> can ssmtp do anything clever if the mail
server is temporarily unavailable (e.g. my network is down)?
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2114[13:22:16] <Bushmills> ehm - no. no good. ssmtp replaces
exim4 too
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2115[13:22:26] <BCMM> or is that just a gauranteed failure to
even accept the message?
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2116[13:22:41] <Bushmills> it will spool outgoing mail
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2117[13:23:00] <BCMM> what happens to it after that? ssmtp
doesn't have a daemon, does it?
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2118[13:23:06] <Bushmills> but as it's not a daemon, it
won't retry periodically
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2120[13:23:33] <Bushmills> right. it will check at next attempt
to send a mail
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2121[13:23:44] <Bushmills> I suppose, a cronjob can be put in
place too
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2122[13:23:47] <BCMM> was looking in to it for having my NAS send
"real" emails (like, to an email address) if anything goes
wrong (with SMART or whatever)
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2125[13:24:42] <BCMM> because it seemed like overkill to run a
real mta... but being unable to handle certain types of failure
seems like a bad feature for something i'd use mostly for
logging failures
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2127[13:25:05] <Bushmills> (I hope I don't confuse this with
nullmailer now)
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2128[13:25:57] <Bushmills> ok. nullmailer has a daemon:
nullmailer-send. and a directory in /var/spool
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2130[13:26:57] <Bushmills> and what I say about ssmtp must be
treated with care, because I'm actually running nullmailer, not
ssmtp
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2132[13:27:37] <BCMM> Bushmills: oh, thanks for telling me about
nullmailer. that looks relevant to me.
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2135[13:30:21] <Bushmills> i have switched between those several
times already, also using one or the other on different machines -
that's probably where my confusion about what I actually use
comes from
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2136[13:30:37] <Bushmills> at one point, one of the two
wasn't in the repo any longer
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2142[13:32:19] <Bushmills> currently, local machines all run
nullmailer, as far it applies.
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2146[13:32:53] <BCMM> ssmtp is orphaned in debian and also no
longer developed upstream. i think people use msmtp instead.
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2149[13:33:13] <Bushmills> seems back in bullseye
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2150[13:33:57] <diogenes_> hmm Debian is cool, even though i
installed it exclusively in UEFI mode, if i switch of UEFI in bios,
it can still boot, unlike another infamous OS.
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2155[13:37:38] <diogenes_> Ok guys, the new stable xfce 4.14 has
just been released, is there any chance it's coming to buster?
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2156[13:38:03] <Bushmills> maybe through backports
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2157[13:38:13] <Bushmills> ,v xfce4
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2160[13:40:27] <BCMM> diogenes_: buster is released now. the
versions of packages in buster are basically going to stay the same
now, apart from minor security updates.
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2163[13:40:59] <diogenes_> i see, so compiling manually is the
only way i guess.
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2164[13:42:01] <cybercrypto> diogenes_: for now... most probably,
yes.
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2168[13:43:27] <BCMM> diogenes_: it's not even in
experimental yet, because it released a few hours ago
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2169[13:44:08] <BCMM> diogenes_: i'm sure in due course it
will be packaged for unstable, and then they'll be a good
debian source package you can use
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2172[13:44:30] <BCMM> (assuming, of course, that the new release
didn't introduce dependencies that aren't available in
Stable)
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2175[13:44:41] <bad_cat> also more generally, new software
releases will go into the next debian release - stable debian
releases don't incorporate new versions of upstream software
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2176[13:44:55] <diogenes_> BCMM, i see, i got got too excited,
like a baby who jut got a new toy :)
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2178[13:45:05] <EmleyMoor> I recently did a new install of buster
to a machine I intended as part of my AV setup. On trying it in that
setup today, as soon as the graphical mode starts, the effect on the
display is rather like an old TV with the line hold badly out of
adjustment. Is there anything I should try to rectify this?
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2182[13:45:30] <BCMM> EmleyMoor: what sort of connection to the
TV do you use?
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2185[13:45:50] <EmleyMoor> HDMI
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2189[13:46:27] <BCMM> huh, that's odd
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2190[13:47:07] <BCMM> to be clear, do you mean that the picture
is split in two, with the top half of the picture on the bottom half
of the TV and vice versa??
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2192[13:48:23] <EmleyMoor> BCMM: No - that would be frame hold,
not line hold. The picture is torn into strips forming a pattern
that slopes right repeatedly
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2193[13:48:36] <BCMM> oh, right
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2195[13:48:55] <BCMM> still a bit of an odd error to see on a
digital display... what graphics driver are you using?
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2198[13:49:22] <EmleyMoor> Um... Radeon I think
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2201[13:49:42] <EmleyMoor> The problem is only present when in
graphical display. In text display it's fine
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2224[13:55:54] <tdn> I have just installed Debian 10 on a laptop
with nvme SSD. How do I ensure that TRIM is supported and done
regularly? Is trim supported out of the box by default on Debian 10?
Or do I have to configure anything?
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2258[14:15:01] <mallxs> Hi, i'm in gnome-flashback and would
like to add a item to the top-right menu. Any idea where to start ?
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2284[14:26:26] <EmleyMoor> Hmmm... that display problem I
mentioned... the mouse pointer is not affected, only the actual
desktop/app display
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2300[14:38:28] <EmleyMoor> A spare HDMI lead would be useful
right now
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2302[14:39:13] <EmleyMoor> (I could at least try the computer
(and my laptop) direct into the TV if I had one
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2310[14:42:39] <Ettle> I'm no DebIan guy but I think
it's a fair bet that if you can see the mouse pointer on screen
then you won't see a whole lot more on your TV.
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2311[14:43:27] <EmleyMoor> Ettle: Well, that's crap! And I
*am* seeing more, it's just broken up like the line hold is way
out
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2315[14:45:32] <Ettle> Well I guess I should have logged in
earlier when you no doubt described that but alas my Tardis is in
for repair.
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2318[14:47:00] <Ettle> As a hardware guy I still think what I
said buit I will leave you to work it out as you have failed the
minimum standard of politeness I require of those I help. GSRLF.
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2323[14:48:40] <EmleyMoor> This is a Debian/Wayland issue -
everything is fine until the graphical mode starts
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2327[14:49:41] <Wikiwide> trying to shut down Debian. forcefully
(with power button) because sudo is not working/stuck/frozen
(apparently due to absence of Internet), and systemctl hibernate
fails to work too.
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2329[14:50:48] <Wikiwide> Failed unmounting /home. Remounting
/home read-only. Remounted errors=remount-ro. Synchronising scsi
cache. Stopping disk.
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2330[14:51:29] <Wikiwide> Stuck on this "Stopping disk"
message. How do I get it to proceed with shutdown? Gently, I want it
to boot tomorrow.
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2334[14:54:08] <jelly> Wikiwide: sysrq?
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2335[14:54:11] <jelly> !sysrq
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2336[14:54:12] <dpkg> from memory, sysrq is
Alt-PrintScreen-[Key]. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked
machine, try [Key] with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly
and b for reBoot. See
replaced-url
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2337[14:54:40] <jelly> probably just a tiniest bit more gently
than pushing the reset button
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2339[14:57:13] <jelly> Wikiwide: so, alt-sysrq-s, then u, then b
to reboot or o to power off
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2340[14:57:42] <Wikiwide> Shut it down with long press of power
button by now. It's nearly midnight, so I do not have much
patience. And I have a toothache and an earache. And gigantic lack
of sleep.
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2343[14:58:37] <Wikiwide> Thank you for Alt-SysRq-s-u-b, though.
Will keep it in mind. It's not the first time I meet sudo not
working due to lack of Internet.
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2345[15:00:08] <Wikiwide> I have probably got to somehow to
replace it with a simpler sudo sometime - sudo which doesn't
even think of getting stuck on network.
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2347[15:00:50] <Wikiwide> And I am guessing that hibernate and
shutdown both get stuck because of lack of sudo?
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2348[15:01:51] <Wikiwide> systemctl restart network-manager
didn't work either.
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2352[15:03:41] <hiyosilver> Hi, how to install xml_grep?
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2353[15:04:25] <Habbie> hiyosilver, it's in the
xml-twig-tools package
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2354[15:04:39] <hiyosilver> oks thanks
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2357[15:06:04] <EmleyMoor>
replaced-url
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2360[15:07:01] <Wikiwide> Sounds like
replaced-url
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2373[15:17:29] <Wikiwide> So, either '127.0.0.1 localhost
hostname' into /etc/hosts, or apt-get install libnss-myhostname
replaced-url
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2380[15:20:49] <Wikiwide> Confusing:
replaced-url
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2397[15:27:17] <bad_cat> there shouldn't really be any
reason to specify localhost in /etc/hosts IMHO
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2401[15:28:53] <jelly> bad_cat: your HO is ont correct.
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2404[15:29:37] <jelly> being able to resolve
"localhost" is useful, if not mandated in some standard
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2405[15:29:54] <bad_cat> jelly: but doesn't nsswitch handle
that already?
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2407[15:30:15] <bad_cat> wait - I'll have to check this
again
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2410[15:30:42] <jelly> it does, over the files plugin, using an
entry in /etc/hosts file, yes
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2413[15:32:36] <bad_cat> nsswitch.conf allows a `myhostname`
source, though - I might just be lucky that I never ran into any
issues, but I never had to specify 127.0.0.1/localhost/my hostname
in /etc/hosts so far
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2414[15:33:35] <bad_cat> ah, but apparently that's in a
separate libnss-myhostname - I see
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2418[15:34:39] <bad_cat> (or rather, part of systemd, but in a
separate package)
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2419[15:34:46] <jelly> bad_cat: nss_myhostname plugin is part of
systemd, not glibc
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2423[15:35:27] <bad_cat> my bad - I guess not specifying your
hostname in /etc/hosts only works in the case of running systemd
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2426[15:37:25] <jelly> someone in redhat thought hardcoding stuff
in a NSS plugin was better than having a mutable /etc/hosts file,
even if written once duing install and never more
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2469[15:53:11] <Akuw> hi guys
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2472[15:53:36] <Akuw> what is the name of mail package to send
mail
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2475[15:53:50] <Akuw> NOT sendmail
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2476[15:54:16] <ed_peguillan> postfix?
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2480[15:55:34] <Akuw> no, is another one that is lighter
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2481[15:55:43] <Akuw> i forgot the name
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2482[15:55:59] <ed_peguillan> exim
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2485[15:56:08] <Akuw> the only thing is doesnt allow attachments
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2489[15:56:57] <Akuw> msmtp
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2490[15:57:00] <Akuw> i found
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2491[15:57:05] <Akuw> thanks
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2492[15:57:17] <alkisg> !next
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2493[15:57:18] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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2494[15:57:25] <Akuw> is there any option that allow to send
attachment, is only to send some alarms using gmail
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2495[15:57:38] <qzio__> hey! I've installed buster and now
the date command outputs PM/AM. This was not the case in debian-9.
I've configured by timezone to be Europe/Stockholm and we are
not used to parse PM/AM so I get super confused :) Is there an easy
way to fix this?
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2499[15:58:56] <ed_peguillan> I always use $(date +%s) in scripts
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2500[15:59:00] <jelly> Akuw: mail transfer agents (MTA), like
msmtp or exim or postfix, do sending messages to other servers or
receive messages from other servers, or sometimes giving messages to
a local tool (MDA) to store them in a local mailbox.
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2502[15:59:38] <jelly> Akuw: if you want to create a message with
an attachment, use a MUA (mail user agent) that can do that, and
then MUA can hand it off to a MTA.
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2505[16:00:01] <jelly> Akuw: eg. mutt can be used to create a
message with an attachment from command line.
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2506[16:00:14] <Akuw> jelly: thanks
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2508[16:00:22] <karlpinc> qzio__: It might be
"dpkg-reconfigure locales". I forget. I think maybe the
wiki has something.
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2509[16:00:22] <qzio__> ed_peguillan: mhm, sure I can specify a
format when using scripts, but I sometime hit "date" in
the cli still... Also I would really like to know how to configure
this properly
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2511[16:00:39] <qzio__> karlpinc: I've already tried that :(
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2512[16:00:54] <jelly> Akuw: mutt can also use a remote SMTP
server for sending, so you might not even need a MTA installed,
depending on your needs
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2513[16:01:11] <Akuw> jelly: i will use gmail
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2515[16:01:32] <karlpinc> qzio__: Have you logged out and in
again?
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2516[16:03:20] <qzio__> karlpinc: yeah sure, multiple times.
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2518[16:04:16] <qzio__> if I do `e<port LC_ALL=sv_SE.UTF-8`
and then do date the 24hour format is used. But I don't want to
run sv_SE for _ALL is there a particular LC_ variable I can use for
this? LC_TIMEZONE or similar?
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2519[16:04:52] <qzio__> ha! LC_TIME seems to be what I'm
after!
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2520[16:05:14] <ed_peguillan> tzdata?
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2523[16:07:24] <karlpinc> qzio__: When doing dpkg-reconfigure
locales you might (possibly) have to change the default question
level by passing an argument, so you get asked everything.
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2525[16:07:37] <jelly> qzio__: you can put more than one variable
in /etc/default/locale, eg.
replaced-url
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2528[16:08:51] <qzio__> karlpinc: yeah but I very much like to
keep everything in english, it's just the date format I would
like to have in a 24hour format. but LC_TIME=en_UK.UTF-8 seems to be
what I'm actually after
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2529[16:08:52] <jelly> qzio__: only use LC_ALL manually,
it's highest priority and can't be overridden
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2531[16:09:05] <qzio__> jelly: exactly, I don't want to
screw with LC_ALL
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2532[16:09:11] <jelly> you probably mean en_GB.UTF-8
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2535[16:10:10] * jelly has no idea what the Brits like differently than
default C (US based) locale
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2536[16:10:34] <qzio__> ha! It seems I can put anything in
LC_TIME to get what I want (english, but with the 24hour format)
funny >:)
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2539[16:10:57] <jelly> I'd suggest using C.UTF-8 or C, then
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2544[16:12:03] <jelly> LC_ALL=en_GB.UTF-8 strace -eopen date #
see what locale definitions ACTUALLY exist
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2554[16:14:10] <qzio__> or just LC_TIME=foo hehe (yeah, no, bad
idea, going with C.UTF-8 for now. Thanks jelly!
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2580[16:25:12] <Soo_Slow> hello. Is there any way to prioritize
network usage for certain applications? I have few things that
randomly eat my whole connection. And sometimes they need to be
launched at the very same moment. So I need something that will make
them work like "if application_1 is running - make
application_2 use only leftover amount of speed. Otherway - let
application_2 use the whole". Like, dunno, 'nice' for
network usage
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2582[16:25:47] <JustASlacker> you are looking for QoS
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2583[16:25:51] <JustASlacker> Quality of Service
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2584[16:27:03] <JustASlacker> Soo_Slow: ^
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2590[16:28:47] <Soo_Slow> JustASlacker, thanks
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2598[16:34:46] <davis> hello, I have wired networking working on
a desktop. I added a wifi usb dongle. I used the website to verify
this device is supported. Its a kernel supported driver. However, in
my top right of my desktop I see, wired, sound and power buttons. On
the dropdown I only see wired, i do not see wireless. I am in netdev
group. I used sudo to run network manager and I added the wifi ssid,
and password.
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2599[16:34:52] <davis> However, I do not have wifi.
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2601[16:35:54] <davis> if I open settings app, it has an wi-fi
tab. It says no wifi adapter found.
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2602[16:36:29] <koniu> anyone can shed light on how to set up
auto unlocking luks encrypted rootfs with a usb key on buster?
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2605[16:38:29] <koniu> i want to read the key directly from the
block device using an offset
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2608[16:38:56] <Akuw_> i just made a function that check many
things, then i want to send output to one variable to send by mail
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2609[16:39:08] <mtn> davis: you probably need to install the
firmware for that card
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2610[16:39:10] <Akuw_> the output has 15 lines
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2613[16:39:34] <han-solo> Akuw_: bash ?
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2615[16:39:40] <Akuw_> yes
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2616[16:39:53] <koniu> crypttab: bla_crypt UUID=...
/dev/disk/by-uuid/..
luks,keyfile-size=4096,keyfile-offset=...,initramfs
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2617[16:40:28] <koniu> but update-initramfs gets me WARNING:
Skipping root target bla_crypt: uses a key file
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2618[16:40:35] <koniu> and unbootable system
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2621[16:41:02] <rant> koniu: its going to be an elaborate setup
of entirely manual configuration, you'll need to create scripts
to facilitate this and put them into initramfs
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2622[16:41:42] <davis> mtn, i installed some wireless firmware
package. I can't remember which. I'll go back to the
supported devices page and see if I missed something.
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2623[16:41:59] <rant> you'll also need to add whatever key
you use to the crypt header, and keep the one with a password to
fall back on should anything happen to the removable key
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2629[16:42:43] <davis> hello rant
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2632[16:43:22] <rant> koniu:
replaced-url
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2633[16:43:37] <han-solo> lspci | grep -i wireless
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2634[16:43:39] <koniu> rant: yup, the key's been added but
the initramfs setup is the issue
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2635[16:43:43] <rant> koniu: you'll need to match the device
via a udev rule to make sure it always appears in the same place
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2637[16:43:53] <davis> this page, has this text in final column
for this device
replaced-url
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2638[16:44:07] <davis> does that mean, I do not need to install
firmware?
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2640[16:44:18] <rant> koniu: I wanted to do it on my system but
just never could be arsed to go through all the aggrivations
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2642[16:44:40] <rant> koniu: I figured for a laptop with a
built-in sd reader, an sdcard might be a good way to go with it
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2643[16:44:41] <mtn> davis: firmeware and drivers are two
different things. check out the wiki for that type of device
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2644[16:45:28] <koniu> rant: hmm... yeah, i was hoping to avoid
low-level meddling. i thought that cryptsetup-initramfs provides te
facilities
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2645[16:45:53] <rant> it might be interesting to even implement
that nearby device kinda stuff android does :P
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2647[16:46:13] <Akuw_> han-solo: any idea?
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2648[16:46:21] <rant> koniu: not that I'm aware, it requires
custom udev rules, scripts, and all has to be manually built into
initramfs
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2651[16:46:46] <koniu> just allowing to provide block device as
keyfile in crypttab and using keyfile-offset and keyfile-size
options as per crypttab(5)
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2652[16:46:57] <rant> koniu: the idea is about as old as luks
itself, but its not popular enough for it to have been implemented
in any distro that I know of
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2653[16:47:51] <koniu> this should well be built in
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2655[16:48:39] <koniu> i think you dont need to use udev rules
since you can address block devices by UUID
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2656[16:48:41] <davis> mtn, which particular page are you
referring to? I'm looking at wifi.debian.org/WiFI which at the
start had the link I posted above.
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2658[16:48:45] <rant> its not because if it were people would
rely on it and they would lose their data..
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2661[16:49:21] <mtn> davis: what chip does that device use? or
the brand and model of device?
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2665[16:50:01] <mtn> davis: this is the correct wiki page:
replaced-url
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2668[16:50:58] <aviany> hey guys, I have a strange problem where
only in xorg, the alt-number combination will be shifter by one
number higher
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2669[16:51:00] <davis> mtn, that is the page i started with. in
hardinfo, devices, usb devices, it says Ralink Tech MT7610u archer
T2U 2.4G+5G WLaN adapter
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2670[16:51:03] <koniu> wanting to
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2671[16:51:04] <aviany> so alt-1 becomes alt-2
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2672[16:51:15] <aviany> anyone know why this could happen?
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2673[16:51:42] <mtn> davis: what does lsusb give you for the
device?
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2674[16:52:18] <davis> its listed there as well
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2676[16:52:34] <davis> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 148f:761a Ralink
Technology, Corp. MT7610U ("Archer T2U" 2.4G+5G WLAN
Adapter
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2688[16:56:16] <mtn> davis: I don't see that device listed
in the wiki page, but can fine info on getting a driver for it
online.
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2689[16:56:32] <aviany> nevermind.. got it. Alacritty has some
interesting mappings
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2690[16:56:39] <mtn> davis: might be outdated:
replaced-url
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2691[16:57:00] <mtn> davis: and:
replaced-url
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2697[16:59:52] <jelly>
/lib/modules/4.19.0-5-amd64/modules.alias:alias
usb:v148Fp761Ad*dc*dsc*dp*ic*isc*ip*in* mt76x0
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2699[17:00:24] <greycat> Oh look, ANOTHER system with ancient
nsswitch.conf...
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2702[17:01:10] <jelly> davis: which debian release are you using?
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2706[17:02:43] <brutser> hi guys! i want to use vanilla debian
with some desktop as a dom0 for virtualization (qemu/kvm): what
desktop system could be suggested with aim to use little resources,
yet still give good kvm experience and also the goal is not having
the need to customize the desktop system too much (that is my fear
with xfce)
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2712[17:05:30] <BCMM> brutser: what are your actual requirements
for the desktop? what's a "good kvm experience" mean,
with respect to desktop environments? what customisations would you
need to make to xfce?
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2714[17:06:27] <davis> jelly: i'm not sure. 10?
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2715[17:06:43] <BCMM> it's hard to suggest an alternative to
xfce without understanding what it is about xfce that you don't
like
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2718[17:07:13] <davis> /etc/debian_version ssays 10.0
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2723[17:08:19] <brutser> BCMM: basically i used mate desktop for
the last years on debian, but it's quite giving me issues when
using this as guest os, i guess i don't have enough experience
with xfce to reply on that, i guess i read/hear most about how
people customize it etc and i think to myself, that will take me lot
of learning how to get that done
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2724[17:08:23] <brutser> but maybe that's not even needed
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2726[17:10:02] <dvs> davis, looks like this device is only in the
sid firmware-misc-nonfree version: * MediaTek MT76x0 wifi firmware
(mediatek/mt7610e.bin)
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2728[17:10:24] <dvs> * MediaTek MT76x0 wifi firmware
(mediatek/mt7610u.bin)
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2733[17:11:08] <jelly> davis: ok, so it's 10 (buster), is
mt76x0 module loaded (listed in lsmod command output)?
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2734[17:12:02] <davis> lsusb has this line mt76 40960 1 mt76x0
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2735[17:12:20] <jelly> that's lsmod, and it shows the driver
is loaded, good
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2736[17:12:30] <davis> yes, my bad lsmod
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2737[17:12:55] <jelly> davis: can you pastebin the output of
dmesg|grep mt76 ..., run as root?
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2740[17:13:25] <alkisg> brutser: I'm using mate a lot, what
issues did it give you?
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2742[17:13:41] <davis> that is dmesg | grep mt76 | nc
pastebin.com 9999 ?
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2747[17:15:20] <jelly> I don't know if pastebin.com has such
fucntionality, sorry
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2748[17:15:22] <jelly> !paste
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2749[17:15:22] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use for text:
replaced-url
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2751[17:15:52] <rant> davis: termbin not pastebin
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2752[17:15:56] <jelly> or upload a screenshot someplace.
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2753[17:16:19] <rant> davis: don't ever use pastebin.com on
freenode, or really at all.. its a crappy js hungry site with popups
and ads
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2754[17:16:26] <jelly> do you HAVE internet access on the machine
where you can't get wifi stick working?
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2757[17:17:14] <davis>
replaced-url
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2759[17:17:45] <jelly> so the driver is there and it's
missing firmware
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2761[17:18:43] <rant> davis: sudo apt install
firmware-misc-nonfree
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2767[17:19:35] <dvs> .wb
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2769[17:19:42] <dvs> bah!
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2772[17:21:31] <jelly> ,file mediatek/mt7610u.bin
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2773[17:21:37] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with
that file.
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2774[17:21:41] <jelly> ,file mediatek/mt7610u.bin --release sid
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2775[17:21:47] <judd> Search for mediatek/mt7610u.bin in
sid/amd64: firmware-misc-nonfree: lib/firmware/mediatek/mt7610u.bin
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2777[17:22:00] <greycat> ,v firmware-misc-nonfree
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2778[17:22:01] <judd> Package: firmware-misc-nonfree on amd64 --
jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free:
20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-1~bpo9+2;
buster/non-free: 20190114-1; bullseye/non-free: 20190717-1;
sid/non-free: 20190717-1
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2781[17:22:21] <dvs> hmpf!
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2782[17:22:26] <greycat> I would imagine a backport of a
firmware-* package is pretty simple.
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2784[17:22:38] <jelly> davis: so you'll have to install that
version from sid for the time being
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2785[17:22:51] <dvs> does buster-backports exist?
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2786[17:22:56] <jelly> it does.
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2787[17:23:10] <jelly> if there was a version in there, it'd
be listed.
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2790[17:23:59] <davis> jelly: mnay thanks. ill try to figure out
how to do that.
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2796[17:25:11] <dvs> davis,
replaced-url
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2798[17:25:26] <dvs> don't add sid to your sources!
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2799[17:25:28] <rant> beat me to it.. I'd only gotten to
http:/
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2801[17:25:38] <dvs> yay!
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2802[17:25:50] <jelly> ,checkbackport firmware-misc-nonfree
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2803[17:25:51] <judd> Backporting package firmware-misc-nonfree
in sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
buster.
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2805[17:26:23] <rant> do the firmware packages even have deps
other than mabe debhelper?
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2807[17:26:35] <rant> ,depends firmware-misc-nonfree
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2808[17:26:36] <judd> Package firmware-misc-nonfree in
buster/amd64 -- depends: .
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2809[17:26:42] <rant> didn't think so
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2810[17:26:44] <dvs> rant, initramfs as a suggestion
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2815[17:27:39] <rant> the whole reason they're in non-free
is cause they are binary files that just get dumped into
/lib/firmware or w/e
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2816[17:27:53] <rant> there is no build-dep to consider cause
there is nothing to build :D
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2833[17:33:32] <rain2> How did linus fuck that up
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2834[17:33:47] <rain2> his life work is a free operating system
and yet it has all these binaries in it
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2835[17:34:05] <greycat> It's not a Linus Torvalds thing or
even a Linux thing.
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2837[17:34:48] <greycat> Many "modern" pieces of
hardware have little computers inside them that have their own
firmware, and that firmware may be released by the manufacturer only
in binary blobs.
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2840[17:35:25] <greycat> In the case of CPUs, they call it
"microcode" instead of "firmware".
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2843[17:35:47] <jelly> hell _cables_ now have 32bit cpus with
firmware in them
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2856[17:40:05] <rant> there is no real advantage to wasting time
and effort reverse engineering a million pieces of hardware to try
produce open firmware for them all
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2858[17:40:23] <rant> only to have a bunch of issues to maintain
with having done so
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2868[17:46:55] <EdePopede> the problem is to know if it is
supported *before* you pay for it. and i can't imagine a shop
giving you a written guarantee that it will work with some specific
distribution or kernel version. unless the owner is a FOSS
enthusiast maybe, but even then usual business rules apply. you have
to be really big to survive in this niche or you have to go on
selling nvidia's gaming bundles and the plug'n'go
machines with newest redmond preinstalled.
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2869[17:47:45] <greycat> I can't imagine a "shop"
knowing what Linux even is. Some of them might be aware that
there's Macs as well as Windowses, but that's pushing it.
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2874[17:50:34] <Akuw_> how to make ping wait 1 second only when
there is no pint response
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2881[17:51:48] <EdePopede> i bought this computer long ago from
such a shop, after the two i got from Aldi before (don't laugh,
the 1st was one of the cheap ones from their astablishing phase, the
2nd one came as a multimedia pc to a reasonable price). go support a
small shop, i said. they only have 2 shops in town, so ok. only i
should have concentrated more on the MCSE paper framed on the wall
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2890[17:54:30] <EdePopede> now i get my stuff usually from a
chain with around 20 shops mostly in this corner of the country.
still ok. and i have the impression that at least the folks behind
the counter know their stuff. still they wouldn't do anything
harming their business i guess. at least one of them named a few
companies i should keep fingers off from after i was asking for some
cable for a lenovo ;)
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2893[17:57:04] <Akuw_> -W is for Time to wait for a response
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2894[17:57:06] <Akuw_> thanks
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2901[18:00:06] <Akuw_> is there another way to test if a given ip
exist and have response?
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2908[18:00:46] <galaxie> I'm not sure if I understand adding
users to groups. I did 'sudo usermod -a -G dialout user'
but then when I typed 'groups' as user it didn't
show, but when I do 'groups user' it shows.
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2911[18:01:08] <llandon> Akuw_: nmap
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2912[18:01:18] <greycat> (1) Debian has "adduser username
groupname" to add an existing user to an existing group. (2)
you must log out and back in to get any new privileges.
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2914[18:01:28] <Akuw_> but does nmap to much load?
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2915[18:01:51] <galaxie> greycat: But usermod should suffice?
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2916[18:01:53] <Akuw_> because of this "Ping: This program
is intended for use in network testing, measurement and management.
Because of the load it can
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2917[18:01:54] <Akuw_> impose on the network, it is unwise to use
ping during normal operations or from automated scripts."
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2919[18:02:22] <greycat> I have absolutely no idea what that
usermod command does. You could read the /etc/group command to see
if it added it correctly.
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2921[18:02:55] <greycat> ... file.
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2925[18:03:34] <jelly> galaxie: usermod adds the group to the
database where additional groups for each user are listed.
"groups" command reads from that database. Contents of
that database are APPLIED only at login time.
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2926[18:04:19] <greycat> "groups" or "id"
with no argument shows your current process's privs.
"groups username" or "id username" shows what a
hypothetical FUTURE login session for that account will have.
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2931[18:06:02] <EdePopede> Akuw_: the only *safe* way to know it
is to connect to a service you *know* it provides. some servers
don't respond to pings at all, some don't react at all if
you don't prove you're a legitimate user (see knockd).
though the latter may be the big exception. and if you start a
normal ping manually, nobody should usually care.
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2935[18:07:02] <Burek> eat me jelly
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2937[18:07:41] <galaxie> greycat: Cool, thanks for clarification!
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2939[18:08:42] <davis> perhaps I misunderstood, but "apt
install firmware-misc-nonfree" results in after reboot mt76x0
1-10:1.0: firmware: failed to load mediatek/mt7610u.bin (-2)
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2940[18:09:18] <greycat> davis: "apt" won't
install the sid version
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2941[18:09:36] <davis> sid is what?
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2942[18:09:58] <davis> whoops. brb
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2943[18:10:00] <greycat> CONTEXT. The problem is you needed
firmware from a NEWER version of this package than buster has.
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2944[18:10:06] <jelly> davis: you should have downloaded the .deb
package from sid, version 20190717-1, and then install that (using
dpkg or apt)
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2947[18:10:38] <greycat> It turns out the sid (unstable) version
of the package has what you need, so you were given a link to the
sid version of the package on
replaced-url
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2948[18:11:01] <greycat> So you were supposed to download the
.deb file from that web site, then install it with "dpkg
-i".
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2950[18:11:46] <greycat> In general, this would be a very BAD
idea (mixing sid packages on a stable system), but in this *very
specific* case, people judged it to be safe.
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2952[18:12:27] <jelly> TECHNICALLY you can also install local
debs with apt now
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2955[18:13:03] <greycat> yeah, he could have done "apt
install ./foobar.deb" but I'm assuming the "apt
install firmware..." command that he gave us was what he
actually typed.
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2956[18:13:19] <greycat> !apt install
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2957[18:13:19] <dpkg> You can specify a pathname to a manually
downloaded .deb file in apt install, but it must begin with / or ./
or ../ or else apt thinks it's a package name. E.g. "apt
install ./foo-1.2.deb". This supersedes <gdebi>.
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2958[18:13:29] <EdePopede> greycat, would you generally say that
single packaes at the end of the dependency tree are less
problematic or even not at all? or at least the nearer they are
there the lesser problems there may be?
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2959[18:13:42] <Akuw_> how can i update date and time when
timezone changes
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2960[18:13:46] <greycat> EdePopede: It's because it's
firmware. Not because it's a leaf in some tree.
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2961[18:14:06] <Akuw_> some countries change time and winter
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2963[18:14:19] <EdePopede> Akuw_: select the proper timezone
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2964[18:14:22] <Bushmills> Akuw_: you don't
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2965[18:14:32] <Akuw_> yes
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2966[18:14:35] <Akuw_> is correct
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2967[18:14:36] <jelly> Akuw_: time does not change. Only display
for humans changes.
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2969[18:14:49] <Bushmills> system time remains the same. only
when that time is displayed. does timezone come into the equation
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2970[18:14:51] <EdePopede> Akuw_: that's why you put your
bios clock to UTC and let the OS manage the rest.
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2972[18:15:00] <Akuw_> humm
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2973[18:15:11] <Bushmills> so you don't really change
"time", but only how it's translated when displayed
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2974[18:15:21] <Akuw_> then ISP is not giving changes, in some
cumputer change and another no
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2975[18:15:23] <jelly> if you've chosen the right timezone,
commands will magically start displaying the other timezone value.
when the time comes
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2977[18:15:50] <jelly> Akuw_: the computer does not have to be
connected to the internet for this to work
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2980[18:16:07] <jelly> it just needs timezone definitions
installed
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2982[18:16:12] <EdePopede> Akuw_: change the bios settings (are
the clocks in local time or utc?). and make them use ntp.
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2983[18:16:13] <jelly> (and they're installed by default)
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2984[18:16:24] <Akuw_> jelly: 2 days ago rithnow would be 12:00
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2986[18:16:36] <Akuw_> now after 2 days it is 13:00
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2987[18:16:49] <Bushmills> a mistake some make is that they set
system time to local time, and set time zone, then wonder why the
displayed time isn't correct
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2988[18:16:59] <Akuw_> no
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2990[18:17:21] <jelly> Akuw_: does this machine dual boot to a
different OS?
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2991[18:17:45] <Akuw_> no
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2992[18:17:53] <Akuw_> 2 diferents machines
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2993[18:17:57] <Akuw_> and cellulars too
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2994[18:18:04] <Bushmills> what does date -u show?
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2996[18:18:26] <jelly> Akuw_: which of those runs Debian?
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2998[18:18:49] <Akuw_> both but the same happen in windows
computers
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3003[18:19:42] * jelly waits for "date --utc" / "date
-u" output
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3006[18:21:04] <Akuw_> ok, GMT-04:00
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3008[18:21:22] <Akuw_> but now should be GMT-04:00 sorry
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3010[18:21:33] <Akuw_> old GTM:-03:00
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3011[18:21:41] <Akuw_> new GTM:-04:00
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3013[18:22:01] <Akuw_> Time zone: America/Santiago (-03, -0300)
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3014[18:22:24] * Bushmills goes away, tired waiting for what is, not
what should be
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3017[18:23:27] <Akuw_> my cellular has 13:23
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3018[18:23:33] <Akuw_> wrong time
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3019[18:23:36] <Akuw_> it is crazy
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3020[18:23:40] <jelly> Akuw_: if you want to get (better) help,
you'll have to learn to follow instructions, sorry
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3042[18:33:57] <Akuw_> jelly: this bios doesnt has that option
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3044[18:34:09] <physkets> Hi!
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3047[18:34:47] <physkets> I'm not using debian, but I was
wondering if you guys could hemlp me out a bit with an AppArmor
issue.
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3050[18:34:56] <physkets> I recently began using AA, and am now
in the process of making a profile for Firefox
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3051[18:35:04] <physkets> I do have a fairly populated profile
right now, and am running it in complain mode
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3055[18:35:23] <physkets> But I'm unable to view any Amazon
Prime Videos... it tells me that the DRM plugin is unavailable
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3057[18:35:33] <physkets> and when I switch off AA, then it
begins to work
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3060[18:35:46] <physkets> Anybody know why? And how I can fix
this?
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3062[18:36:32] <rant> I haven't fooled much with AA but
afaik it has a learning mode to tailor the profile to your use case
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3063[18:36:52] <greycat> Ask whatever your actual OS channel is,
how to disable or modify the apparmor stuff in that OS. Which
isn't Debian, or named.
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3064[18:37:15] * rant missed that bit
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3067[18:38:11] <rant> I stopped reading when I got to the bit
about what "AA" was.. scanning backward
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3068[18:39:23] <omarek> Hi, can anyone help me verify my hard
drive health? It appears my mobo died when my computer was
suspended. I'm running Debian from live USB.
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3069[18:39:50] <omarek> smartctl was enabled and lists no errors
whatsover, but I can't access one of my drives'
partitions.
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3071[18:40:19] <omarek> fdisk -l lists one DOS (PMBR) partition
(???) on the whole device.
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3073[18:41:00] <omarek> e2fsck /dev/sda says "bad magic
number in super-block"...
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3076[18:41:31] <Habbie> sda is not a partition, sda is the whole
disk
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3077[18:41:32] <greycat> e2fsck would need a valid partition
device anyway, not /dev/sda
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3078[18:41:40] <omarek> I *might* have created a LVM install on
that disk, I don't exacty remember. I was curious to try it
out, it was a few years ago.
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3081[18:43:03] <omarek> Habbie: then how do I check if the
partition table/superblock is correct? I expected a few more
partitions... with data... I can't mount it.
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3082[18:43:05] <deadmarshal> hi. today I noticed that when I turn
off my pc and log in again the next day, some apps that I have
installed or removed reverts back to how it was before, and they get
uninstalled. how to fix it?
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3088[18:44:44] <omarek> I started a read-only scan on /dev/sda
using "badblocks", then I read it takes 70 hours to scan
1TB. My drive is 4TB.
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3089[18:45:15] <Habbie> omarek, you could use the LVM tools to
see if they find anything..
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3090[18:45:25] <omarek> lsblk lists two partitions on /dev/sdb (I
don't remember how many there were) but 0 on /dev/sda
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3093[18:45:34] <Habbie> omarek, or run something like (g)parted
to figure out pretty quickly what you have
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3094[18:45:54] <greycat> 12:40 omarek> fdisk -l lists one DOS
(PMBR) partition
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3095[18:46:32] <greycat> If that's ALL that it lists, then
the question is whether partitions have been DELETED (dos partition
will be smaller than the device), or whether the partition table has
been completely OVERWRITTEN (dos partition spans the whole device).
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3097[18:47:07] <davis> i hope evereyone had a good lunch.
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3100[18:47:25] <damdam12> anyone is using yubi key here?
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3101[18:48:01] <Habbie> damdam12, do you have a question about
yubi keys?
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3102[18:48:17] <damdam12> @Habbie yes
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3103[18:48:30] <Habbie> what's the question?
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3105[18:49:00] <davis> i lost my scrollback. but if remember
correctly, I should install firmware-misc-nonfree from sid
backports.
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3107[18:49:27] <greycat> From sid, BECAUSE there isn't one
in buster-backports yet.
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3108[18:49:29] <davis> i imagine if I google for sid backports
firmware, it will give a .deb location which I download with wget
and then dpkg.
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3110[18:49:46] <damdam12> @habbie I dont know what should I use
for secure my remote server... I want to store my sshkey on yubikey,
but I am not sure what other factor should I use...
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3112[18:49:54] <greycat> 11:25 dvs|#debian> davis,
replaced-url
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3113[18:49:55] <omarek> fdisk -l and e2fsck output:
replaced-url
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3114[18:49:59] <davis> greycat: btw, you help out in C, right?
You have been so helpful to me over the years and I really
appreciate it.
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3115[18:50:09] <davis> many thanks for that url
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3118[18:50:58] <davis> folks like you who help on irc are
wonderful and such a pity it seems a rare breed
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3122[18:53:11] <Habbie> omarek, oh! try gdisk /dev/sda; then do
'p'
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3125[18:54:27] <omarek> Habbie: I ran gparted without arguments,
and it pops out a message "invalid argument during seed for
read on /dev/sda" . I pressed cancel.
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3126[18:55:11] <Habbie> aha
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3127[18:55:16] <Habbie> i don't know what that error means
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3128[18:55:20] <physkets> rant greycat I'm asking here
because my distro does not use it by default, so no one in the
channel was able to help me. Also, AppArmor is the same no matter
the Distro; I know how to disable the profile for firefox; what I
want to do is figure out what is causing this...
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3129[18:55:21] <davis> hmm. this link
replaced-url
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3131[18:55:42] <physkets> rant: it is already in complain mode,
and shouldn't be blocking anything
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3132[18:55:44] <Habbie> davis, at the bottom
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3133[18:55:49] <Habbie> davis, Download ... -> [all]
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3135[18:56:14] <davis> Habbie: many thanks
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3137[18:57:13] <davis> super. let me reboot after the install
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3139[18:57:16] <davis> brb
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3142[18:58:27] <omarek> Habbie: gdisk output so far
replaced-url
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3148[18:59:20] <omarek> After swapping many hardware parts, I got
the computer working by inserting a different motherboard. It
didn't restore properly from suspend. I wrote the entire
message down. Would it be helpful?
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3149[18:59:37] <Habbie> omarek, ok, so you have six partitions,
but gdisk noted some corruption
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3150[18:59:49] <Habbie> omarek, ls /dev/sda* does not reveal
these six partitions?
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3153[19:01:15] <Habbie> omarek, i am not giving advice here, only
telling you possibilities: doing 'w' in gdisk MIGHT
improve the state of your partition table, because it has
renegerated your backup partition table, but has not written it to
disk yet
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3158[19:02:47] <omarek> Habbie: those partition sizes at the end
of the paste look familiar. 20GiB is /, 4GiB is swap, 600 GiB /home,
and the remaining 1TiB partitions are data partitions and backup
partition.
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3162[19:04:04] <Habbie> omarek, sounds like medium to good news
then
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3163[19:04:11] <omarek> Habbie: ls /dev/sda* only lists one line:
/dev/sda
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3165[19:04:53] <trek00> I have installed libreoffice-draw, but
now it is the default application to open pdf files, over the
previously installed mupdf: I can tweak each user's mime
configuration, but can I set mupdf as default viewer system-wide?
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3166[19:04:57] <Habbie> omarek, ok - that might be because of the
corruption gdisk mentions, but i don't know
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3167[19:05:04] <omarek> I suspect power supply failure which
caused a motherboard failure. I got this computer running by ALSO
swapping a power supply.
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3170[19:05:59] <omarek> Habbie: the first paragraph of gdisk
output recommends using 'v' to verify disk integrity. Any
reason I should *not* do that?
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3171[19:06:46] <Habbie> omarek, 'v' does not make
changes by itself, so see what it says
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3172[19:06:47] <omarek> I swear I'm going to set up (semi)
automatic backups with rsync and my external USB hdd after this.
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3176[19:07:52] <Habbie> :)
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3183[19:09:15] <omarek> Habbie: 'v' listed 5 errors:
replaced-url
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3188[19:10:37] <Habbie> omarek, the 'disk is too small'
thing is kind of weird, but who knows, perhaps that mistake was made
a long time ago
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3189[19:10:55] <Habbie> omarek, the best advice right now is to
image the disk - all 4 TB of it, to a bigger disk, but i see how
that tends to be problematic
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3190[19:11:12] <omarek> Habbie: nothing to do with RAID. I
remember it has indeed created that gap until 2048 when I first
partitioned it, and I had no way to opt out.
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3192[19:11:21] <Habbie> omarek, yeah that bit is fine, it's
the 'disk is too small' part
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3194[19:13:00] <omarek> Habbie: Is it possible to split the image
in parts?
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3195[19:13:08] <Habbie> omarek, what i would probably do at this
point is use the gdisk backup function ('b') to backup
what you have; then also use dd (please carefully look up how) to
also backup the first and last few megabytes of your disk; then let
gdisk repair what it can
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3196[19:13:14] <Habbie> omarek, yes, but then it's very hard
to work with
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3197[19:13:26] <Habbie> omarek, depending on how you do it
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3198[19:13:40] <Habbie> omarek, i have to go now; i might be back
later; please continue carefully :)
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3199[19:13:40] <omarek> Let me find my unused blank backup
drive...
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3200[19:14:43] <omarek> Habbie: thank you for support.
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3201[19:14:49] <Habbie> you're welcome, i hope it all works
out
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3220[19:21:38] <davis> hello
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3221[19:21:46] <davis> many thanks for the help. wifi is working
now.
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3226[19:24:28] <omarek> BWAHAHAA I have a blank 5TiB drive to
back up a 4TiB drive!!!
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3235[19:27:50] <Cyb0ti> omarek: why so elated didn't you
know you had it?
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3240[19:31:54] <omarek> Cyb0ti: I wasn't 100% sure if it was
4GiB or 5GiB. I suppose it might have been tricky backing up 4GiB
drive on a 4GiB drive.
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3243[19:32:20] <Cyb0ti> Ok
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3245[19:32:33] <Cyb0ti> You mean G not T?
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3246[19:32:46] <omarek> TiB, sorry.
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3257[19:37:38] <trek00> I found a fix to my previous question,
the file /etc/xdg/mimeapps.list :)
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3274[19:46:16] <Habbie> omarek, PERFECT
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3282[19:49:11] <omarek> Habbie: I think I'll just make an
image of the WHOLE drive, not first and last part. Then also use the
'b' command.
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3283[19:49:41] <omarek> It's going to last a while though
because the external drive is USB, and this mobo has USB2.0
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3284[19:49:45] <Habbie> omarek, yes
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3285[19:49:52] <Habbie> omarek, yes this will take a while but it
can be worth it
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3294[19:52:33] <jhutchins_wk> That's one of those things
that takes longer if you watch it.
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3297[19:53:16] <karlpinc> (If it were me, I'd use dd to
backup the whole thing. That way I'd be sure to have an exact
copy. gdisk might do the same, but the docs say "b" does
only "partition data", not every block.)
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3300[19:54:30] <Habbie> karlpinc, i understand omarek will do
both, but never hurts to check
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3301[19:54:33] <jhutchins_wk> clonezilla
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3303[19:54:59] <Habbie> i prefer dd over clonezilla - easier to
work with a raw image
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3305[19:55:27] <omarek> Habbie: I'm reading an article on
backups with dd (I've used dd if=... of=... for making bootable
USBs in the past). Any reason to do a 'dd' backup and ALSO
a backup using gdisk's "b" command?
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3307[19:56:11] <Habbie> omarek, yes, dd is good - use /dev/sda
for if=, use a file for of=, and specify a bs= to speed it up a bit
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3309[19:56:28] <Habbie> omarek, the 'b' backup should
not be necessary after that but it might still be useful to speed up
gdisk experiments
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3313[19:57:20] <omarek> I would prefer to clone the image to a
file so I can put some other (backup) files on the USB drive as
well. One image file from dd, and the files from gdisk's
'b'
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3314[19:57:30] <Habbie> yes
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3315[19:57:53] <Habbie> if you want to be extra cool, format the
5TB with a filesystem that can do snapshots, like zfs or btrfs
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3317[19:58:06] <Habbie> then you can do gdisk experiments on a
'copy' of the image file without wasting another 4tb
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3319[19:58:30] <omarek> I'll create an ext4 partition on the
backup drive.
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3369[20:23:59] <newtodeb> hey guys
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