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34 [00:12:17] <annadane> can one put python in a virtualenv?
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36 [00:12:26] <annadane> for instance python 3.6, which is not
in stable
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45 [00:22:08] <RoyK> annadane: I've used virtualenv, but
not with a non-standard (as of debian) version of python - btw - see
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55 [00:26:36] <annadane> well, i'm sure there's
specific ways to get the environment into the system safely
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57 [00:26:44] <annadane> which i should actually go research
58 [00:26:44] <fareast> ok have a new battery in today and it
doesn't charge
59 [00:26:57] <fareast> it says charging but it isn't
moving
60 [00:27:10] <fareast> is there a battery app I can install to
monitor it without using the terminal each time.
61 [00:27:20] <fareast> something like hwmonitor for linux
perhaps.
62 [00:27:47] <fareast> another thing is getting wine to run
63 [00:28:04] <fareast> i need to run wine with winetricks
64 [00:28:09] <fareast> not sure how to really do that.
65 [00:28:44] <fareast> all i know is I installed wine from
synaptic and I have run wine as an option
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67 [00:29:04] <fareast> I have heard of playonlinux too maybe
that is a better option.
68 [00:29:29] <fareast> I think I just need .net 2.0 and msxml4
69 [00:29:33] <fareast> then i should be straight.
70 [00:30:11] <blaztek> fareast: I’m pretty sure that you
just install wine (apt) and get the winetricks
71 [00:30:36] <fareast> is winetricks something to install a
prerequisite dependancies
72 [00:30:45] <fareast> like a seperate pre install?
73 [00:30:50] <annadane> well, anyway, i'm going to get off
irc for now, don't answer the question, forget i was ever here,
*poof*
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76 [00:31:30] <blaztek> fareast: no, winetricks is apt too
77 [00:32:38] <fareast> winetricks command not found
78 [00:32:42] <fareast> I am trying under terminal
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80 [00:33:24] <blaztek> fareast: did you install it using apt?
81 [00:33:56] <fareast> like get-apt
82 [00:34:05] <fareast> how do you not break linux
83 [00:34:09] <fareast> never su right?
84 [00:34:36] <fareast> I was just going to su then apt-get
winetricks
85 [00:34:47] <fareast> then apt-get update
86 [00:35:04] <blaztek> sudo apt install winetricks
87 [00:35:15] <blaztek> apt-get works too
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89 [00:35:52] <fareast> says package has no installation
candidate
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91 [00:36:15] <fareast> maybe I need to enable all sources
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93 [00:36:23] <blaztek> You need contrib in your sources.list
94 [00:36:29] <fareast> I think i did that already tho with my
wifi adapter
95 [00:36:42] <fareast> had some issues getting the intel repo
96 [00:37:02] <fareast> I have tweaked this system a bit
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98 [00:37:11] <fareast> new drive new ram new wifi adapter new
battery
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100 [00:37:15] <cef> dpkg winetricks
101 [00:37:15] <dpkg> i don't know, cef
102 [00:37:28] <cef> dpkg much good you are! :P
103 [00:37:28] <dpkg> cef: I don't know, could you explain
it?
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105 [00:38:09] <cef> yeah winetricks is in contrib on stretch
106 [00:38:44] <fareast> I am confused what is contrib
107 [00:38:46] <blaztek> fareast: WiFi adapter would be non-free
108 [00:38:49] <fareast> right
109 [00:38:53] <fareast> I am on nonfree for them
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114 [00:39:24] <blaztek> deb
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115 [00:39:34] <fareast> ok so add that then
116 [00:39:44] <CMLSC> I got debian to boot, but after I select
debian in grub, it shows some stuff that it's doing and then
the display turns off and nothing happens. Can anyone help me?
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120 [00:40:11] <cef> CMLSC: laptop?
121 [00:40:28] <CMLSC> cef yes
122 [00:40:33] <blaztek> fareast: yes...just add the contrib and
it will look like that
123 [00:40:39] <CMLSC> cef a really bad one someone gave to me
for free
124 [00:40:40] <CMLSC>
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125 [00:40:42] <cef> CMLSC: have you had debian working on it
before?
126 [00:40:45] <CMLSC> 1 star on amazon lol
127 [00:40:57] <CMLSC> cef only ubuntu, but that broke after some
software updates and I couldn't get it working again
128 [00:41:06] <CMLSC> some people said debian would be more
likely to work
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130 [00:41:20] <fareast> my child is watching youtube kids videos
I prolly shouldn't be thinking about this right now. I am
getting distracted.
131 [00:41:25] <CMLSC> so I tried that and it didn't even
show up in my booting options for a while, but I just got it to
boot.
132 [00:41:31] <fareast> I will tackle it later.
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134 [00:41:42] <cef> CMLSC: ok.. this is probably something to do
with either the backlight, or the video driver. Have you tried it
with a monitor attached?
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138 [00:42:41] <CMLSC> cef I'ma try it.
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140 [00:44:01] <CMLSC> cef montitor attached doesn
141 [00:44:07] <CMLSC> *doesn't do anything
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143 [00:44:51] <CMLSC> cef uh
144 [00:44:57] <cef> CMLSC: so you tried booting from scratch
with the monitor attached? ok.. then it seems like drivers which
isn't fun.
145 [00:45:10] <cyrus_mc>
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146 [00:45:12] <cef> CMLSC: I can't help you any more with
this, mainly cos I have to go (work calls)
147 [00:45:28] <CMLSC> cef it just did something lol
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149 [00:46:14] <CMLSC> if anyone else could help me, that'd
be great
150 [00:46:27] <CMLSC> Boot is stuck on "Started WPA
supplicant."
151 [00:46:51] <CMLSC> it already gave me some errors about
missing bluetooth firmware
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155 [00:48:58] <CMLSC> it worked lol
156 [00:49:05] <CMLSC> idek why, but it just started
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190 [01:17:19] <epergny> I'm trying to upgrade a laptop from
latest stable (9.4.0) to unstable but "apt-get -t unstable
upgrade" gives this:
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192 [01:17:34] <epergny> The value 'unstable' is
invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available
in the sources
193 [01:18:05] <epergny> and google doesn't really help. I
google for that and I says I must "apt-get update" before,
which I did.
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195 [01:18:38] <epergny> so I guess my question is: what am I
supposed to do to upgrade from stable to unstable? Do I need to edit
the sources.list?
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197 [01:20:26] <RoyK> epergny: probably - also keep in mind that
this channel is for stable
198 [01:20:29] <RoyK> !unstable
199 [01:20:29] <dpkg> Unstable is the status of a Debian release
when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the
integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you
have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't.
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206 [01:24:06] <epergny> RoyK: oh I didn't know that. Well,
but I'm still in stable : )
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210 [01:25:41] <RoyK> epergny: just don't use unstable - it
breaks things - use testing if you need something slightly newer
211 [01:26:00] <RoyK> !sid
212 [01:26:00] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, sid is the
codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that
breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it
breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
213 [01:26:06] <RoyK> !testing
214 [01:26:06] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release
between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed
<buster>. See
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215 [01:26:33] <epergny> RoyK: I'm using stable on my main
dekstop and dedicated server. I need to try something on unstable on
a laptop: nothing important.
216 [01:26:39] <RoyK> epergny: or just fetch the packages you
need for backports
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218 [01:27:21] <epergny> old doc I find says to modify occurences
of "stable" to "unstable" in sources.list but I
don't have any occurences of "stable"
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223 [01:27:48] <RoyK> epergny: pastebin the file
224 [01:28:14] <bites> stretch and stable are synonymous at the
moment.
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226 [01:28:57] <epergny>
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227 [01:29:14] <epergny> bites: so I change "stretch"
to "unstable" or to sid? (trying with unstable)
228 [01:29:14] <RoyK> somehow… if you have
"stable" in there and a new release comes, it starts
fetching packages from the new one
229 [01:29:24] <RoyK> sid is fine
230 [01:29:25] <epergny> RoyK: ok gotcha
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232 [01:29:52] <RoyK> sid won't change name - it's the
kid that breaks toys
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234 [01:31:01] <epergny> lol
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236 [01:31:36] <RoyK> epergny: why do you want to run this on
Sid?
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239 [01:33:20] <epergny> RoyK: I'm trying to rip my audio
CDs to create accurate backups of them. I'm using
"whipper" for that (it automatically verifies correctness
in an online DB) but got bugs: suggest quite edgy versions of a few
libs.
240 [01:33:46] <RoyK> try from backports first
241 [01:33:49] <epergny> RoyK: instead of trying to fix all
dependencies by myself / backport, I figured out I may give sid a
try and see if things work or not. I'll be quickly fixed.
242 [01:34:12] <epergny> RoyK: I don't really know how
backports works and...
243 [01:34:40] <epergny> I already launched the "apt-get
dist-upgrade" after replacing stretch with sid. I'll
re-install stretch if it fails badly.]
244 [01:34:53] <RoyK> epergny:
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245 [01:35:02] <RoyK> do you need this whipper?
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247 [01:36:48] <RoyK> I haven't ripped anything for years,
but I used to use cdpparanoia
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249 [01:36:53] <RoyK> I haven't ripped anything for years,
but I used to use cdparanoia
250 [01:37:23] <epergny> RoyK: yup yup, it's not just for
listening. It's to create perfect backups. Whipper is pretty
advanced stuff, contacting an online DB where people who made 100%
bit-perfect rips, computing their drive's offsets etc., do
verify they have the correct checksums for everything.
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252 [01:37:36] <epergny> RoyK: it is using cdparanoia under the
hood but there's much more to it
253 [01:37:47] <RoyK> ok
254 [01:38:05] <RoyK> try to fetch it from backports, then
255 [01:38:08] <epergny> RoyK: and as some of my CDs are getting
old and are not that easy to find, I'd rather make backups
before they fail on me
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257 [01:38:16] <RoyK> jumping to Sid at once seems overkill
258 [01:38:20] <RoyK> and suicidal
259 [01:39:00] <epergny> RoyK: told you... There's literally
nothing on this laptop. So no biggie: and because whipper verifies
if rip is 100% bit perfect or not with an online DB, it either works
or doesn't. So I'll be fixed quite soon ^ ^
260 [01:39:14] <epergny> one thing is sure...
261 [01:39:26] <bites> there is no whipper package.
262 [01:39:26] <RoyK> well, doesn't hurt to try backports
first
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264 [01:39:34] <RoyK> ,v whipper
265 [01:39:35] <judd> Package: whipper on amd64 --
buster-multimedia: 0.7.0-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 0.7.0-dmo1
266 [01:39:42] <epergny> bites: no, I'm compiling it from
sources. But it needs several dependencies.
267 [01:40:11] <bites> i understand. that was regarding the
backport comments.
268 [01:40:16] <epergny> gotcha gotcha
269 [01:40:27] <RoyK> well, try sid :)
270 [01:40:27] <epergny> bites: I mean: I could backports all the
dependencies it needs.
271 [01:40:57] <bites> yeah, but switching to sid is less work if
you don't care for the system anyway :D
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286 [01:46:10] <epergny> I just did a "sed -e
's/stretch/sid/g' ..." and then "apt-get dist
upgrade". Now I'll be in off-topic land with sid once the
command is done. Thankfully I'm running stable on my dekstop
since, well... Debian 1.3 ? : )
287 [01:46:16] <epergny> 1.2 I meant
288 [01:46:57] <epergny> (and, no, I didn't apt-get dist
upgrade from 1.2 to 9.4 over 20 years+)
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302 [02:01:25] <epergny> bites: it's less work but I'm
realizing it may actually take longer (apt-get dist-upgrade sure
takes time) : )
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308 [02:03:51] <Unit193> epergny: ...You could enable crazy mode,
but I don't think people would generally recommend it.
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338 [02:34:31] <HeXiLeD> hey guys, qPDFview does not seem to do
duplex printing. Any other app you can recommend ?
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369 [03:04:55] <fareast> my battery meter isn't reporting
correctly
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371 [03:05:24] <fareast> I am guessing it might be a battery
update or some kind of compatibility issue with the acpi
372 [03:05:44] <fareast> bios update
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419 [03:49:13] <tharkun> Good $DATE I've been using xpdf for
like allways but with the deprecation of X and the coming of age of
wayland I believe it will eventualy be deprecated. Any dropin
replacement with the degree of compliance to the standard that does
not goble up a lot of ram?
420 [03:50:44] <k_sze[work]> I need some help mapping out the
storage topology of my server.
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422 [03:52:34] <tharkun> k_sze[work]: meaning?
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425 [03:53:17] <k_sze[work]> The server has 6 spinning HDD and 1
Intel SSD. I suspect two of the spinning HDD are used to form the
root xfs.
426 [03:53:25] <k_sze[work]> But I'm not sure.
427 [03:53:57] <karlpinc> k_sze[work]: Any hardware raid
controllers involved?
428 [03:54:35] <k_sze[work]> There's an aacraid package, but
it's probably quite outdated and I want to get rid of it if I
can.
429 [03:54:46] <k_sze[work]> To slim down and remove unused
packages.
430 [03:55:19] <karlpinc> k_sze[work]: What is aacraid?
431 [03:55:37] <k_sze[work]> karlpinc: that's for Adaptec
RAID adapters.
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434 [03:56:47] <k_sze[work]> It's a Supermicro server and I
don't see any RAID adapter in the PCI-E slots.
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437 [03:57:12] <karlpinc> k_sze[work]: You'd want to know if
that's being used. (The trouble with hardware raid is that you
need compatible replacement controllers in case a controller dies or
you need to move to another box. Plus, a lot of hardware raid
isn't. It's just proprietary software raid.)
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440 [03:57:39] <k_sze[work]> karlpinc: I know.
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442 [03:57:59] <k_sze[work]> I think we *used* to have some
Adaptec RAID card installed, but we removed them at some point.
443 [03:58:28] <k_sze[work]> If I'm not mistaken, we just
use Linux's software RAID, XFS, or ZFS now.
444 [03:58:29] <karlpinc> k_sze[work]: Could be on the
motherboard. What does "lspci -nn" say?
445 [03:58:45] <k_sze[work]> let me check
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447 [04:00:47] <k_sze[work]> `lspci -nn | grep -i raid` shows
nothing
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449 [04:01:31] <k_sze[work]> Same if I `grep -i adapted` or `grep
-i pmc` (another one of adaptec's names).
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452 [04:02:28] <karlpinc> k_sze[work]: You'd probably want
to look for adaptic. At least that'd be me. But it might be
safest to scan all the output. Or paste it so somebody here can.
453 [04:03:18] <k_sze[work]> actually, `grep -v Intel | grep -v
NVIDIA` shows only two lines
454 [04:03:39] <k_sze[work]> both something about ASPEED graphics
and pci-to-pci bridge.
455 [04:04:24] <m0rd3cai> hey guys got a quick question. im
running deb 8 on a VM for server. small vm, just 2 cpu and 2 gigs of
ram. Wanted to see how full i could fill ram without crashing
machine, no swap. im down to about 125-130mb ram free, have for the
last week or so. you all think 130mb of ram free will work? server
works fine, just shows very little.
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457 [04:05:00] <m0rd3cai> little free ram*
458 [04:05:34] <k_sze[work]> karlpinc: here's the complete
thing:
replaced-url
459 [04:06:10] <karlpinc> k_sze[work]: I'd say no adaptec
then. Wouldn't hurt to look at dmesg output but you're
probably safe.
460 [04:06:15] <somiaj> !free ram
461 [04:06:15] <dpkg> Unlike information, your computer's
memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux
tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which
speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these
caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical
memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use,
it's 'free' + 'buffers' +
'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
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463 [04:06:55] <karlpinc> m0rd3cai: The OOM killer will probably
keep your machine from crashing. It will just kill processes
instead.
464 [04:06:57] <somiaj> m0rd3cai: there are also kernel features
that will kill off high memory processes if the machine starts to
run out of memory.
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467 [04:08:22] <k_sze[work]> karlpinc: great
468 [04:08:34] <k_sze[work]> And now onto the xfs root.
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470 [04:08:55] <karlpinc> k_sze[work]: The next step is to look
at mdadm and lvm to see if that's being used. pvdisplay
vgdisplay, lvdisplay. I forget the mdadm stuff.
471 [04:09:23] <karlpinc> k_sze[work]: And I don't know xfs.
472 [04:10:17] <karlpinc> k_sze[work]: It also helps to have in
front of you the device names and sizes and capabilities of each of
your physical drives. (dmesg again will help)
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491 [04:27:12] <k_sze[work]> karlpinc:
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492 [04:28:21] <k_sze[work]> Oops, I forgot lvdisplay:
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498 [04:31:33] <k_sze[work]> The info about the storage devices
have long been scrolled out of dmesg
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525 [04:48:30] <bug> lsblk -f ?
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532 [04:55:41] <wj> the new xwayland , gdm run on the tty1,
gnome-session run on the tty2?
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534 [04:56:07] <wj> is this diffrent from the xorg?
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536 [04:58:42] <wj> i work in the debian testing release
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542 [05:06:42] <m0rd3cai> karlpinc somiaj thanks! no issues so
far and i dont want my costs to double so here hoping!
543 [05:06:44] <k_sze[work]> karlpinc:
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546 [05:17:50] <wj>
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549 [05:21:04] <rootkea> Hello! I'm running Claws Mail
3.14.1 on Debian Stretch. I would like to know the mail storage
location. PS - There is no ~/Mail directory
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555 [05:25:46] <dvs> rootkea, maildir?
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562 [05:30:23] <rootkea> dvs: I don't think claws mail uses
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716 [07:17:23] <liveuser1> has there been many complaints of bash
reporting no such file when attempting to run things?
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721 [07:18:08] <liveuser1> avahi was the last thing being worked
on and after a reboot it started reporting no such file
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726 [07:18:33] <liveuser1> an example cat /etc/resolv.conf
727 [07:18:48] <liveuser1> "no such file or directory"
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734 [07:20:05] <liveuser1> I'm suspecting there were some
sort of garbage in the packages.
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736 [07:20:33] <liveuser1> sphinx?
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740 [07:21:02] <liveuser1> any pointers before doing a complete
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742 [07:21:35] <liveuser1> if each tool downloads 30 or more
packages compiled from pages of code
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744 [07:21:58] <liveuser1> looking isn't really practicle
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749 [07:22:40] <liveuser1> though I see unsolved complaints
similar to this on google
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767 [07:30:43] <AquaticWeasel> I followed through the debian wiki
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879 [08:39:39] <rigoadsb> hi. i might miss here something. wrote
an init.d script that starts and stops airdcppd but as i start it it
runs in the foreground. the command itself is the following
880 [08:40:09] <rigoadsb> su $DCUSER -c
'/bin/./airdcppd'
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940 [09:10:54] <jelly> rigoadsb: if your tool does not background
on its own you'll have to daemonize it somehow if you want to
start it from an init script. systemd unit syntax can deal with
processes that want to run in foreground, instead.
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942 [09:11:31] <jelly> or use a helper like
943 [09:11:33] <jelly> ,i daemon
944 [09:11:34] <judd> Package daemon (utils, optional) in
stretch/amd64: turns other processes into daemons. Version:
0.6.4-1+b2; Size: 93.8k; Installed: 275k; Homepage:
replaced-url
945 [09:11:41] <jelly> in your init script
946 [09:11:42] <rigoadsb> jelly: i'm the one from yesterday
who had to remove systemd :) i've found the "screen"
though.
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949 [09:12:33] <jelly> running screen -dmS ... is really more a
hack
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953 [09:13:00] <jelly> but can be useful if you can also control
the process from a terminal
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957 [09:14:41] <rigoadsb> yeah. good enough for me
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977 [09:23:16] <rigoadsb> thanks again
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1110 [10:28:44] <tdn> I am trying to install chromium, but it
says: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
libkf5kcmutils5 : Depends: libkf5quickaddons5 (>=
5.8.0+git20150324.0130+15.04) but it is not going to be installed
<- This seems broken? How do I fix this? As far as I know, I do
not have any third party sources that might cause this
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1126 [10:34:58] <tdn> How do I find out whats wrong and fix it?
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1130 [10:38:48] <blaztek> tdn: either install the missing
dependency or purge the package that needs it
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1135 [10:40:37] <tdn> blaztek, if I purge libkf5kcmutils5, it will
remove all this:
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1137 [10:41:46] <blaztek> tdn: install the missing dependency
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1140 [10:42:15] <tdn> libkf5quickaddons5 is already the newest
version (5.28.0-1).
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1142 [10:42:26] <tdn> libkf5kcmutils5 : Depends:
libkf5quickaddons5 (>= 5.8.0+git20150324.0130+15.04) but it is
not going to be installed
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1144 [10:42:42] <tdn> Not sure what to do?
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1148 [10:44:00] <k_sze[work]> How do I check if my debian server
has any desktop environment (remotely)?
1149 [10:44:09] <k_sze[work]> from ssh, I mean.
1150 [10:44:46] <tdn> k_sze[work], run "xclock" ?
1151 [10:44:56] <jelly> k_sze[work]: dpkg -l task-\*-desktop
1152 [10:45:10] <blaztek> k_sze[work]: which xterm
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1157 [10:46:38] <jelly> dpkg, tell tdn about basic apt
troubleshooting
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1159 [10:47:17] <tdn> jelly, ok, thanks. Will gather info and
return.
1160 [10:48:58] <Johann> k_sze[work]: well you should check if you
have an x server installed (which is needed by most desktop
environment): aptitude search '~i xserver'
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1163 [10:50:04] <k_sze[work]> dpkg -l task-\*-desktop
1164 [10:50:05] <dpkg> ii task-\*-desktop 1.4-15
k_sze[work]'s private stamp collection
1165 [10:50:08] <k_sze[work]> shows nothing
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1167 [10:50:51] <k_sze[work]> `aptitude search '~i
xserver'` show x11-xserver-utils and xserver-common
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1173 [10:54:18] <Johann> and to make sure search for
wayland-server
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1179 [10:55:54] <k_sze[work]> Johann: in?
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1183 [10:56:33] <k_sze[work]> `dpkg -l '*wayland*'`
shows libwayland-client0 and libwayland-cursor0 as installed.
1184 [10:56:52] <jelly> k_sze[work]: so you don't have
anything desktopy installed, just a couple libs
1185 [10:57:08] <k_sze[work]> xwayland would be the actual wayland
server, right?
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1188 [10:57:30] <jelly> dunno
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1190 [10:57:38] <Johann> k_sze[work]: no, xwayland is an xserver
to use x11 application with wayland
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1193 [10:59:35] <k_sze[work]> There's a libwayland-server0
package if I `apt search wayland`, but that's still just a
library, if I understand correctly.
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1221 [11:11:02] <sulit> who is Debian-+?
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1224 [11:11:55] <sulit> `ps aux` show me that some processes
owners is Debian-+
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1229 [11:15:16] <k_sze[work]> In order to use LVM2's
snapshots, I *need* to have free space in the *volume group*, not
assigned to any volume, right?
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1231 [11:15:45] <sulit> i don't understand it, what debian
take place?
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1348 [12:34:45] <duchman> list
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1363 [12:41:33] <petn-randall> duchman: Try !list
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1384 [13:04:05] <duchman> hi
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1393 [13:09:44] <noodlepie> Hi duchman
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1395 [13:11:11] <Kelsar> noodlepie: traitor! ... *hides*
1396 [13:11:28] <noodlepie> Traitor what now?
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1399 [13:13:11] <eirikb> Hi. I'm on deep water here, but
I'm trying to PXE boot based on this guide:
replaced-url
1400 [13:13:11] <eirikb> is, and I get the error: "mount:
Stale file handler"
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1402 [13:13:40] <eirikb> Here is a gist with my custom version of
the install script, journalctrl (host) and a video from VBox (PXE
client):
replaced-url
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1421 [13:23:52] <k_sze> It's ok to create an LVM2 snapshot
volume that is smaller than the original, provided that I expect
very little write until I'm done with the snapshot, right?
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1424 [13:29:27] <alkisg> eirikb: any reason you're not just
using ltsp to netboot, which does everything out of the box?
1425 [13:30:28] <eirikb> alkisg: I'm not aware of it, does it
achieve the same thing?
1426 [13:30:41] <alkisg> eirikb: ltsp.org is about netbooting
clients, yes
1427 [13:30:43] <tdn> jelly,
replaced-url
1428 [13:30:51] <alkisg> E.g. I'm using it to netboot a
series of VMs
1429 [13:32:33] <tdn> I am trying to install chromium, but it
says: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
libkf5kcmutils5 : Depends: libkf5quickaddons5 (>=
5.8.0+git20150324.0130+15.04) but it is not going to be installed
<- This seems broken? How do I fix this? As far as I know, I do
not have any third party sources that might cause this. Info
relevant for apt troubleshooting info:
replaced-url
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1443 [13:38:14] <eirikb> alkisg: All commands run on client will
be run on the client?
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1446 [13:38:45] <alkisg> eirikb: ltsp has a server part,
ltsp-server, and a client part, ltsp-client. See a small how to
there:
replaced-url
1447 [13:39:15] <alkisg> tdn: E: Error,
pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by
held packages.
1448 [13:39:20] <alkisg> tdn: so, any held packages?
1449 [13:39:33] <tdn> alkisg, how to check?
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1451 [13:39:49] <alkisg> apt-mark showhold
1452 [13:40:04] <tdn> alkisg, empty output
1453 [13:40:28] <eirikb> alkisg: I was confused by the sentence
"..that allows many people to simultaneously use the same
computer", but I guess that would be "thin client",
while it also supports "fat clients"?
1454 [13:40:57] <alkisg> eirikb: exactly, and fat clients are the
recommended method noadays
1455 [13:41:48] <alkisg> tdn, aptitude shows better output for
debugging such things, you might want to give it a try
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1457 [13:43:08] <eirikb> alkisg: I see there are some parts about
fat clients mounting home directories on the host, and using host to
authenticate, perhaps this can be skipped? I just want to boot an
image on clients, and that's it
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1460 [13:43:54] <alkisg> eirikb: sure, you can skip them; but are
you sure the client has enough ram to fit all /home needs?
1461 [13:44:52] <alkisg> eirikb: what's the end goal, e.g. to
netboot a live cd or something for a quick fix or installation, or
for desktop use which would require a lot of ram for /home?
1462 [13:44:59] <eirikb> alkisg: Hmm maybe not (24G), but perhaps
I could do a script to format and mount the local disk for that
purpose? (they have a disk available)
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1464 [13:45:31] <eirikb> alkisg: End goal is continuous
integration tests (which have to run on hardware, so no docker), all
are identical, and will be run as Jenkins slaves
1465 [13:45:35] <tdn> alkisg, Unknown command "showhold"
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1467 [13:45:42] <tdn> alkisg, from aptitude showold
1468 [13:45:46] <tdn> showhold
1469 [13:45:49] <alkisg> tdn: no, aptitude install package
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1472 [13:46:35] <tdn> alkisg,
replaced-url
1473 [13:46:36] <alkisg> eirikb: eh, it's not a problem to
have a /home then, to hold the script that will run, and to enable
autologin (LDM_AUTOLOGIN=True) and autorunning things...
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1476 [13:47:21] <alkisg> tdn: so the problem is libnettle4, remove
it, it's not available in stretch
1477 [13:47:42] <eirikb> /home will be mostly empty, or close to
it. I also can't mess with the local DHCP, not even proxy, but
luckily they have two network cards, so I can set up the PXE booting
only on one of the cards, and then run a full DHCP server
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1480 [13:48:01] <tdn> alkisg,
replaced-url
1481 [13:48:22] <alkisg> eirikb: wrt dhcp, ltsp supports any case
(dhcp, proxydhcp, static ip with ipxe, local kernel...) so it's
not an issue
1482 [13:48:42] <alkisg> tdn, with aptitude again
1483 [13:48:44] <eirikb> Yeah I saw they used dnsmaq, I tried
using that with another PXE setup I found, and it also worked fine
1484 [13:48:51] <tdn> alkisg, how does such a package get
installed?
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1486 [13:49:09] <eirikb> dnsmasq*
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1488 [13:49:19] <tdn> alkisg,
replaced-url
1489 [13:49:27] <alkisg> tdn: it might have come from a previous
version, if your setup is an upgrade
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1491 [13:50:14] <eirikb> alkisg: I need to read up on ltsp, need
to find a way to script it into my little VBox test setup. I will
probably be back when I'm stuck, thanks for the help :)
1492 [13:50:15] <tdn> alkisg, it is from debian 8 to 9
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1494 [13:50:29] <tdn> alkisg, but how to remove it? Did you see
replaced-url
1495 [13:51:57] <eirikb> My plan is to use VBox to build the
client image, because then it's possible to test and run it
locally, pull it from an asset server
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1498 [13:52:47] <alkisg> eirikb: I have 10 vbox VMs with only
ltsp-client on them, which I'm able to run/maintain normally
via vbox, and/or netboot real clients with them
1499 [13:52:59] <alkisg> So sure, you could do what you're
asking
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1501 [13:53:22] <alkisg> tdn: aptitude proposes solutions, if you
don't accept the first one it will propose another; find one
that suits you
1502 [13:53:32] <alkisg> I.e. one that does minimal changes
1503 [13:54:04] <eirikb> alkisg: Nice. In production there
won't be any VBox, server and clients will run on hardware.
Server could be anything though, even docker, but not clients
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1507 [13:55:43] <tdn> alkisg, yeah tried that. But then it suggest
to remove a _lot_ of packages. Including libreoffice and from the
looks of it, the entire desktop env., etc.
1508 [13:56:14] <tdn> And when I keep pressing N, it keeps
suggesting that
1509 [13:56:32] <alkisg> That's for the aptitude install
chromium command?
1510 [13:56:40] <tdn> alkisg, correct
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1512 [13:56:45] <tdn> NO
1513 [13:56:46] <tdn> Sorry
1514 [13:56:56] <tdn> For removing that libnettle4 package
1515 [13:57:20] <alkisg> tdn: btw, do you have libnettle6
installed?
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1517 [13:57:42] <tdn> libnettle6 is already the newest version
(3.3-1+b2).
1518 [13:58:05] <alkisg> It's strange that anything would
depend on libnettle4, as it's not even available in stretch
1519 [13:58:19] <alkisg> But what solutions are there for aptitude
install chromium?
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1536 [14:08:14] <Neel> frankendebian :O
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1546 [14:14:05] <tdn> alkisg, same. Either not install it or
remove almost everything
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1586 [14:32:06] <NetTerminalGene> does debian testing break every
now and then?
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1589 [14:32:51] <petn-randall> NetTerminalGene: yes, same goes for
sid.
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1598 [14:36:44] <babilen> (or anything really)
1599 [14:37:12] <petn-randall> babilen: I'd argue that the
frequency in stable and sid is differently, though ;)
1600 [14:37:23] <babilen> Oh, definitely :)
1601 [14:37:23] <petn-randall> s/ly//
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1603 [14:37:44] <babilen> definit? Now see what you've done
...
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1606 [14:38:15] <babilen> I'm still not sure if I think that
testing breaks more frequently than sid or the other way round
1607 [14:38:35] <babilen> Probably depends if you use pure testing
or a mix of both
1608 [14:39:34] <petn-randall> babilen: I'd argue that sid
breaks more often, but game-breaking bugs in testing tend to simmer
longer there.
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1611 [14:42:30] <babilen> testing is quite often in a tricky state
due to ongoing transitions and removed packages
1612 [14:42:54] <X230t> Is there a debian alternative to fpaste?
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1640 [14:55:14] <petn-randall> X230t: What does fpaste do?
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1642 [14:55:40] <X230t> Command line paste utility that allows me
to save them under a nickname and recall from a different machine
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1644 [14:56:18] <petn-randall> !pastebinit
1645 [14:56:18] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a
<pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude
install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste
the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See
also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
1646 [14:56:31] <petn-randall> X230t: This maybe? ^
1647 [14:56:52] <X230t> Does that allow account based recal?
1648 [14:56:55] <X230t> *recall?
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1655 [14:59:21] <petn-randall> X230t: I don't think so. You
just get an URL you can share.
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1658 [14:59:51] <X230t> Yeah, that's no good, I'm trying
to get my machine to send the local IP to another machine
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1660 [15:01:15] <X230t> So far I'm thinking I'll FTP it
to a remote machine
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1663 [15:02:40] <petn-randall> X230t: What about scp?
1664 [15:02:50] <X230t> SCP could work
1665 [15:02:51] <petn-randall> X230t: What is your setup that you
need it?
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1667 [15:03:13] <X230t> I have a headless machine on a LAN, I need
the local IP of it to connect to it, but have no way to get the
local IP
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1675 [15:07:52] <X230t> There's no way to get data from that
machine to another machine without going via the internet though
1676 [15:08:01] <petn-randall> X230t: Can't you just pin the
IP address on the DHCP server?
1677 [15:08:29] <X230t> I don't have access to said DHCP
server
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1679 [15:09:08] <petn-randall> Hmm, that's unfortunate.
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1687 [15:15:34] <X230t> I need to remotely cache the local IP, I
could use no-ip, but afaik they only support public IPs
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1705 [15:22:23] <karlpinc> X230t: Have the machine email you the
new IP every time the dhcp address changes.
1706 [15:22:49] <X230t> No email client, nor do I particularly
want that number of emails
1707 [15:23:20] <karlpinc> X230t: You could script something on
your end to handle the emails.
1708 [15:23:47] <X230t> I could, but I don't want that,
it's messy
1709 [15:23:54] <karlpinc> X230t: Yes.
1710 [15:24:04] <X230t> And I'd still have to then set up an
email server on the host, which isn't currently running one
1711 [15:24:29] <karlpinc> X230t: Has the network adminstrator
made some static IPs available on the lan, one of which could be
reserved for your use?
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1713 [15:25:03] <X230t> Nope
1714 [15:25:15] <petn-randall> X230t: +1 for talking to the
network admin. All the other options just get messy, and fixing all
the edge cases will just cost you time.
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1716 [15:25:41] <X230t> Network admin is unwilling to do anything
to assist
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1718 [15:26:30] <karlpinc> X230t: Are you violating policy to say,
setup an openvpn connection out from the lan to your server? (I
assume your server has a public IP.)
1719 [15:26:52] <X230t> I would be, yes
1720 [15:26:56] <karlpinc> X230t: VPNs are the way to punch out
from behind NAT.
1721 [15:27:04] <X230t> I know
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1723 [15:27:17] <X230t> I literally just want to noip my local IP
or something
1724 [15:28:09] <karlpinc> X230t: Well, you're pretty
screwed. Some kludge is required. Something stupid like
writing/reading from google drive. (No idea if that can be
scripted.)
1725 [15:28:32] <X230t> If I could figure out the no-ip API I
could do it
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1728 [15:30:35] <X230t>
replaced-url
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1740 [15:34:56] <karlpinc> X230t: With curl is how that sort of
stuff is usually done.
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1742 [15:35:16] <X230t> That's what I tried, but I get an
error
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1746 [15:36:49] <X230t> Okay never mind I can't read
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1753 [15:40:00] <Emil> Hey
1754 [15:40:12] <Emil> is there a way to force apt to output
colors through a pipe?
1755 [15:40:29] <Emil> apt search keyword | less -R|-r does not
show colors
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1757 [15:42:16] <greycat> use of colors in apt(8) seems to be
(still) undocumented, so good luck figuring out how to force them on
1758 [15:42:40] <_KaszpiR_> emil google unbuffer
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1760 [15:43:00] <greycat> oh, hmm, that might also work as a hack
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1764 [15:43:50] <_KaszpiR_> unbuffer + aha helps in creating
pretty html output ;D
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1766 [15:45:09] <greycat> googling comes up with a stackexchange
question and an askubuntu thread...
1767 [15:45:17] <X230t> How do I send the output of a command into
another command?
1768 [15:45:32] <X230t> I've got a command that outputs my
local ip, I need to include that in the no-ip update command
1769 [15:45:51] <greycat>
replaced-url
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1771 [15:46:30] <greycat> configure your dynamic-DNS updater in a
hook in the /etc/dhcp/dhclient-exit-hooks.d/ directory. It will
receive the new IP address as an environment variable.
1772 [15:46:48] <X230t> greycat: That's not what I want
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1774 [15:47:05] <X230t> All I'm asking is how do I include
the output of a command in another command?
1775 [15:47:17] <greycat> *plonk*
1776 [15:47:23] <alkisg> echo $(date) => includes the output of
"date" to "echo"
1777 [15:47:34] <alkisg> I.e. with $()
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1779 [15:47:40] <greycat> I am not going to help people do shit
WRONG.
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1781 [15:48:02] * alkisg didn't read the chat; withdrawing... :)
1782 [15:48:23] <X230t> greycat: I'd rather not run the no-ip
client if I can help it
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1785 [15:49:47] <greycat> For extra pointing-and-laughing fun, I
bet his "command that outputs my local ip" parses
/sbin/ifconfig output and breaks on stretch even after installing
net-tools.
1786 [15:50:03] <greycat> Because it's still god damned 1996.
1787 [15:50:10] <X230t> it does parse ifconfig, and works on
stretch
1788 [15:51:08] <X230t> I'm stupid and don't understand
what the page you linked is telling me to do
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1791 [15:52:01] <thvle> hello, how can I install nvidia-driver but
without display manager, etc etc????
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1793 [15:52:52] <alkisg> It's really funny that one can type
this shell command now: touch /tmp/🍉; ls /tmp
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1798 [15:53:59] * greycat idly wonders what font packages have to be
installed for that to show up as anything other than a rectangle
1799 [15:54:18] <X230t> greycat: It's a watermelon emoji
1800 [15:54:23] <alkisg> It's the new emoji stuff; it shows a
watermelon
1801 [15:54:35] <greycat> which is in ...?
1802 [15:54:36] <X230t>
replaced-url
1803 [15:54:57] <X230t> greycat: Whatever font package you want
that supports emoji?
1804 [15:55:23] * greycat tries fonts-symbola which sounds nice and
disease-like
1805 [15:55:25] <Emil> _KaszpiR_: hmm, not on repos I see?
1806 [15:56:06] <_KaszpiR_> it is, as part of 'expect'
package
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1809 [15:57:33] <X230t> greycat: Do I create the
/etc/dhcp/dhclient-exit-hooks.d/update-dns myself?
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1816 [15:58:26] <X230t> (running raspbian stretch)
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1826 [16:01:39] <tdn> I am trying to install chromium, but it
says: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
libkf5kcmutils5 : Depends: libkf5quickaddons5 (>=
5.8.0+git20150324.0130+15.04) but it is not going to be installed
<- This seems broken? How do I fix this? As far as I know, I do
not have any third party sources that might cause this. Info
relevant for apt troubleshooting info:
replaced-url
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1831 [16:03:26] <JordiGH> My laptop mutes the microphone when I
plug in my earbuds because it expects the earbuds to also have a
micrphone.
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1834 [16:03:56] <JordiGH> They don't have a microphone.
1835 [16:04:09] <JordiGH> well, maybe they do, but it doesn't
work.
1836 [16:04:21] <JordiGH> How can I tell my laptop to not attempt
to use my headphones as a microphone?
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1838 [16:05:23] <greycat> tdn: what happens if you try "apt
install libkf5kcmutils5" ? (Not aptitude.)
1839 [16:05:34] <X230t> JordiGH: That depends on the laptop, some
of them do it in firmware, and you can't actually control it
1840 [16:06:22] <JordiGH> Hm, but lunix seems to know how to keep
two different sound configs depending if the headphones are plugged
in or not.
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1842 [16:06:37] <JordiGH> Do you think there might be a BIOS
setting for this?
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1847 [16:07:27] <tdn> greycat, there is both apt-get, aptitude and
apt now? I have tried with apt-get and aptitude. What difference is
apt?
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1849 [16:07:42] <tdn> greycat, and it says libkf5kcmutils5 is
already newest version
1850 [16:07:43] <greycat> apt-get and apt should both work
basically the same way
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1852 [16:07:59] <greycat> it's aptitude that has the
different resolving algorithms
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1854 [16:08:13] <tdn> greycat, ok
1855 [16:09:22] <greycat> I do not understand why aptitude would
complain about libkf5kcmutils5 if it's already installed.
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1860 [16:11:56] <tdn> greycat, please see:
replaced-url
1861 [16:12:07] <tdn> greycat, I believve it complains because it
is not the right verision?
1862 [16:12:38] <greycat> Did you force-remove anything, or hold
anything?
1863 [16:12:43] <tdn> greycat, nope
1864 [16:12:52] <greycat> Is libkf5quickaddons5 installed?
1865 [16:13:09] <tdn> Yes: Installed: 5.28.0-1
1866 [16:13:18] <tdn> It is also in the above paste.
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1869 [16:14:57] <greycat> Does "apt-get -f install" do
anything?
1870 [16:15:12] <tdn> greycat, no
1871 [16:15:26] <tdn> Nothing unfinished that needs installing
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1873 [16:15:35] <tdn> I also did apt-get update && apt-get
dist-upgrade
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1887 [16:20:28] <tdn> Would it be safe to uninstall all the stuff
it suggests; then install chromium; and then install all the removed
stuff again? Or would that fail? Or would I break my system in the
process?
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1893 [16:22:23] <alkisg> tdn: what's the output of apt-cache
rdepends libnette4 or what was its name?
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1895 [16:23:33] <alkisg> libnettle4
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1902 [16:27:14] <alkisg> tdn: apt-cache rdepends --installed
libnettle4
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1912 [16:30:33] <quiliro> hello debianers...just read the debian 9
dedication to ian murdoch
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1914 [16:30:35] <quiliro> nice
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1958 [16:46:45] <blaztek_> Hi BL4CKH4T
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1960 [16:47:06] <BL4CKH4T> Hello
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1992 [17:03:20] <jhutchins> Odd, why would linux-headers update
separately from the kernel itself?
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1997 [17:05:13] <AimHere> You might have cause to compile for a
Linux kernel you're not currently running
1998 [17:05:19] <AimHere> Is my guess
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2002 [17:08:03] <jhutchins> AimHere: So you think they're
going to randomly push headers for a kernel I'm not running on
the chance that I might want to compile something I'm not
using? Not very plausible.
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2004 [17:08:23] <jhutchins> I thinking either the headers were
delayed or there was an error (which shouldn't happen).
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2007 [17:10:48] <AquaticWeasel> Is there an updated set of
instructions for installing bumblebee?
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2009 [17:11:06] <AquaticWeasel> I followed the wiki's guide
and my laptop hung at boot
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2012 [17:11:32] <AimHere> jhutchins, your previous IRC missive
didn't explain exactly what the issue was
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2026 [17:16:44] <AquaticWeasel> The boot stops at starting simple
display manager and completely freezes
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2162 [18:32:15] <zoeurk> hello, I have a problem with fstables I
do that:replaced-url
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2168 [18:35:19] <ChrisH> How do I enable a remote ssh access
during installation. I know there is auch an option
'somehwere' and I cannot find it now. I need to support an
installation from remote.
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2179 [18:39:32] <ChrisH> as allways, after typing my question
here, I found:
replaced-url
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2184 [18:41:50] <jelly> ChrisH: it's also documented in the
install guide I think
2185 [18:41:58] <jelly> !i-g
2186 [18:41:59] <dpkg> methinks stretch installation guide is The
Installation Guide for Debian 9 "Stretch" can be found at
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2194 [18:45:50] <ChrisH> jelly: looks like we do it via phone :)
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2199 [18:52:15] <domovoy__> i'm writing a makefile to help me
handling the rebuild of some homemade packages, when building, i
'dpkg-source -x $(srcdir)/package.dsc' somewhere and use
that. how can i know if i need to re-run 'dpk-source -b
package-version'? (it seems dpkg-source -b always recreate the
.dsc, so it screw up my makefile). Is there any file i can use as a
prerequisite for the .dsc?
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2215 [19:12:21] * greycat has seen a few messages on debian-user today
with 2010 dates, and wonders if those were held in a moderation
queue for 8 years, or if it's some weird coincidence
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2233 [19:31:31] <rendar> i'm trying to launch apt update
&& apt upgrade from crontab
2234 [19:31:42] <rendar> i set PATH and everything and commands
start
2235 [19:31:48] <rendar> but this is the output i get:
replaced-url
2236 [19:31:53] <rendar> any help to fix this?
2237 [19:31:53] <greycat> Why are you not simply using
unattended-upgrades?
2238 [19:32:11] <rendar> greycat: what's that?
2239 [19:32:19] <greycat> ,info unattended-upgrades
2240 [19:32:20] <judd> Package unattended-upgrades (admin,
optional) in stretch/amd64: automatic installation of security
upgrades. Version: 0.93.1+nmu1; Size: 60.2k; Installed: 246k
2241 [19:32:45] <rendar> seems an interesting tool, but isn't
that only for security upgrades?
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2244 [19:34:06] <bites> by default, yes. but you can configure it
as you like.
2245 [19:34:34] <rendar> bites: seems the tool i need, i have to
install it, first
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2248 [19:35:40] <bites> on stretch the config still has entries
that reference jessie. you will have to fix those manually before
activating.
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2252 [19:37:16] <rendar> it will also do an apt update?
2253 [19:37:46] <bites> it wouldn't work otherwise.
2254 [19:38:07] <greycat> The jessie example lines are just
comments. If you uncomment them, then yes, you would also want to
change jessie to stretch or whatever.
2255 [19:38:18] <rendar> ok..
2256 [19:38:24] <rendar> what is this conf file i have to edit?
2257 [19:38:47] <greycat> it tells you in "man
unattended-upgrade"
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2259 [19:38:59] <greycat> (no 's' on the man page, but
there is an 's' on the config file...)
2260 [19:39:02] <annadane> it's also on the wiki
2261 [19:39:19] <annadane>
replaced-url
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2263 [19:40:06] <bites> hehe /usr/bin/unattended-upgrades ->
unattended-upgrade but the man page they didn't bother
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2272 [19:41:36] <rendar> uhm i don't think i have to mnually
edit the file, becuase inside the file i get this line
"origin=Debian,codename=${distro_codename},label=Debian";
2273 [19:41:45] <rendar> there is no jessie string anywhere
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2275 [19:42:07] <bites> then you are not on stretch but on testing
or unstable.
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2278 [19:42:29] <rendar> well, in my desktop i'm on testing,
on the raspbrry i'm in stretch stable
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2284 [19:44:05] <rendar> with testing buster i can't use it?
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2287 [19:44:28] <noodlepie> Penguins can see through windows!
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2291 [19:45:07] <greycat> With testing or unstable, you'd be
a fool to use it.
2292 [19:45:19] <greycat> Of course, 90% of the people who use
them ARE fools, so.
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2294 [19:45:41] <rendar> greycat: well, i needed gcc 7.x to work,
with stable i had packages from 1998
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2299 [19:46:12] <greycat> *plonk*
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2303 [19:47:01] <rendar> ok, i can't use it in testing
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2305 [19:47:16] <rendar> how i can run apt update &&
upgrade correctly from crontab then?
2306 [19:47:28] <annadane> i mean, the point behind stable is that
it allows you to be lax with system administration
2307 [19:47:38] <annadane> if you're running testing/sid you
want to look at what you're doing
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2313 [19:49:44] <rendar> annadane: i had to have testing because i
needed newer packages
2314 [19:49:58] <rendar> now that i'm on testing i want also
add an automatic apt update+upgrade
2315 [19:50:03] <nkuttler> sid > testing, just saying. at least
you get timely security upgrades
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2317 [19:50:11] <rendar> that's not a trascendental request
2318 [19:50:13] <nkuttler> not that any of those is supported
here..
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2323 [19:50:43] <rendar> nkuttler: someone here years ago
recomennded me to use testing instead of sid for my purposes
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2325 [19:51:02] <annadane> i know the current DPL prefers sid over
testing
2326 [19:51:06] <annadane> anyway, off topic, really
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2328 [19:51:17] <rendar> ok, how i can have this fixed, then?
2329 [19:51:30] <nkuttler> !debian-next
2330 [19:51:30] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2332 [19:51:49] <rendar> that channel is dead
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2335 [19:53:26] <rendar> look, i just need to run apt update
&& upgrade without those being connected to the console,
that is a legit question even for stables debians :(
2336 [19:54:15] <rendar> it's unbeliveable that whenever i
come here, nobody helps me, even for the smallest things, because
i'm using testing
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2338 [19:54:52] <petn-randall> rendar: It's not dead, it has
over 300 users there.
2339 [19:55:08] <rendar> petn-randall: i had to wait like 5 hrs
for a reply, days ago
2340 [19:55:12] <nkuttler> the answer is "just
don't" anyway
2341 [19:55:19] <rendar> nkuttler: why not?
2342 [19:55:25] <annadane> for what it's worth i don't
disagree with you, but it's just nice not to have the channel
cluttered if 6 people come in at once with debian stable questions
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2344 [19:56:03] <annadane> anyway, i don't know the answer to
your question or i would answer you
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2348 [19:56:56] <petn-randall> rendar: And as far as I can see
your question got answered.
2349 [19:57:18] <annadane> debian as a whole could stand to be a
little more accepting of users who want to run the dev branches
2350 [19:57:25] <rendar> annadane: i didn't see this channel
cluttered in decades
2351 [19:57:32] <annadane> that's fair
2352 [19:57:37] <nkuttler> we should also be more accepting of
"based on debian" distros!
2353 [19:57:53] <greycat> and people who want us to read the man
page at them!
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2355 [19:58:27] <rendar> greycat: i don't want, obviously!
your sarcasm is really not needed here :)
2356 [19:59:05] <rendar> i just found debian too much
"close" regards testing and other debian based stuff
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2359 [19:59:22] <annadane> i think if someone wants to run
testing/sid it's just needed to inform them of the risks and
then if they still want to do it, let them
2360 [19:59:23] <nkuttler> rendar: it's not. you're just
off-topic
2361 [19:59:28] <jelly> FIVE HOURS?!?!
2362 [19:59:39] <jelly> oh, requested no sarcasm
2363 [19:59:55] <jelly> that's going to happen
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2366 [20:00:54] <rendar> nkuttler: if you say so, i think annadane
agrees with me, i had several little problems with debian and NOONE
helped me here, because i use testing, i think this is silly
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2369 [20:01:39] <Logg> there is a need for splitting support by
stable/testing. categorization is not silly.
2370 [20:01:52] <jelly> rendar: users of testing are (well, should
be) used to investigating and fixing little problems on their own
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2372 [20:02:16] <rendar> jelly: which i usually do, but for
instance i have a big problem with my graphic card
2373 [20:02:27] <rendar> i can't investigate graphic drivers!
2374 [20:02:28] <jelly> and personally I really don't want
someone else reading advice appropriate for testing without context
and thinking it applies to debian in general
2375 [20:02:37] <rendar> and i'm sure that this problem is
present also in stable
2376 [20:02:40] <rendar> but noone helped me
2377 [20:02:53] <bites> unattended-upgrades is a better idea than
running apt upgrade in cron. if something goes wrong you will have
to search its logs. you can also make it send you mails.
2378 [20:03:00] <nkuttler> rendar: there's also
#debian-offtopic if you need to vent
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2380 [20:03:13] <annadane> ultimately there's a fine line at
work here and i don't think anyone is 100% correct, we
can't have #debian flooded with off-topic (this includes
testing/sid) questions but at the same time if you alienate that
part of the community too much they'll get turned off and
won't test your new packages
2381 [20:03:13] <rendar> i don't need to vent..
2382 [20:03:26] <alkisg> Maybe a compromise could be, "hi
guys, this is my question, I'm using testing, can someone come
over at #debian-next and help me?"
2383 [20:03:30] <annadane> as far as i'm aware people do run
unattended-upgrades comfortable with testing
2384 [20:03:37] <annadane> comfortably*
2385 [20:03:41] <jelly> rendar: there are other support venues,
eg. debian-users mailing list
2386 [20:03:53] <rendar> ok
2387 [20:03:54] <nkuttler> yes, and other people see their system
break while performing unattended upgrades
2388 [20:04:20] <jelly> serves them right for thinking
unattended-upgrades are a good and well tested idea
2389 [20:04:30] <annadane> yeah, unfortunately not everyone
watches irc all the time; the mailing list is another avenue to try
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2391 [20:04:38] <annadane> well, and i kind of agree with jelly
2392 [20:04:48] <annadane> you should watch what you're doing
during updates
2393 [20:04:52] <annadane> even on stable, heck
2394 [20:04:54] <jelly> they came from canonical after all
2395 [20:04:56] * jelly hides
2396 [20:04:59] <rendar> jelly: look at 10 minutes ago: i have
just asked how to run properly apt get update && upgrade,
and noone tried to help me when i revealed i'm on testing, i
can ask to mailing list for this, but i think just it's
exagerate and silly, tht's all
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2398 [20:05:23] <tw> !testing
2399 [20:05:23] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release
between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed
<buster>. See
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2400 [20:05:30] <rendar> ok
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2402 [20:06:26] <jelly> rendar: ok, it's somewhat silly. I
still won't help you with it because if you have problems with
basic tools you probably shouldn't be running testing in the
first place, and now we're discussing in circles
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2405 [20:07:03] <annadane> i think this is a problem of culture
that the debian project will never truly get rid of
2406 [20:07:06] <jelly> sometimes, if I'm less tired,
I'll provide a clueful hint here anyway usually followed with
!debian-next
2407 [20:07:11] <nkuttler> annadane: it's a feature
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2409 [20:07:14] <petn-randall> unattended-upgrades is completely
fine on stable, it's insane to use on testing.
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2411 [20:07:26] <jelly> "completely fine" bwahaha
2412 [20:07:39] <petn-randall> works for me™
2413 [20:07:41] <annadane> nkuttler, i agree with that, in general
2414 [20:07:42] <nkuttler> on "stable"? what when
there's a new relase?
2415 [20:07:47] <rendar> petn-randall: i got that
2416 [20:07:52] * jelly offers petn-randall a kernel package upgrade
keeping same ABI
2417 [20:08:28] <rendar> i'd use stable, but there are tool
old packages! i can't compile my C++ code with a too old gcc
2418 [20:08:29] <jelly> nkuttler: a default config of a
"stable" involves not having "stable" in
sources.list, so it's fine
2419 [20:08:40] <rendar> too*
2420 [20:08:47] <annadane> !xy problem
2421 [20:08:48] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you
need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We
suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell
us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely
diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's
easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See
replaced-url
2422 [20:08:58] <annadane> first validate whether you actually
can't do what you want on stable
2423 [20:09:05] <nkuttler> rendar: can we move on? it seems
obvious you're not going to get more help here
2424 [20:09:07] <jelly> rendar: which C++ features are you missing
with g++ 6.3?
2425 [20:09:11] <rendar> annadane: i needed newer gcc!
2426 [20:09:18] <Logg> rendar, try using debian stable, and a
development virtual machine which may use that newer gcc
2427 [20:09:19] <rendar> i needed to test something in gcc 7.x
2428 [20:09:29] <jelly> test what?
2429 [20:09:32] <annadane> (i'm a huge hypocrite because i am
currently running sid, full disclosure)
2430 [20:09:53] <rendar> annadane: ok, that's what i reply to
you then
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2432 [20:10:05] <greycat> I have used testing or unstable on my
desktop machines in the past, but am not currently doing so.
2433 [20:11:07] <jelly> annadane: and that's just fine if
you're not asking questions about it here
2434 [20:11:31] <annadane> i think it just comes down to doing apt
upgrades via cron in testing is a bad idea
2435 [20:11:40] <greycat> Agreed.
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2440 [20:14:36] <Logg> I'm getting new graphics libraries
through backports. Hopefully a fix for the do_IRQ spam.
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2447 [20:17:14] <OS-37761> hi
2448 [20:17:28] <Logg> Hi OS-37761
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2452 [20:18:07] <OS-37761> i never new..this chat assistant.
2453 [20:18:13] <OS-37761> *knew
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2455 [20:18:44] <Logg> one of the oldest. If you have a question
about debian, please ask it.
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2505 [20:50:41] <AquaticWeasel> hey does anyone here have a
Optimus Nvidia laptop
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2510 [20:52:09] <annadane> AquaticWeasel, do you have a question
about it? best to be more specific
2511 [20:52:42] <greycat> AquaticWeasel was reporting a bumblebee
failure a few hours ago.
2512 [20:52:52] <greycat> 11:11 AquaticWeasel> I followed the
wiki's guide and my laptop hung at boot
2513 [20:52:53] <AquaticWeasel> yeah I need a lot of help. I have
a Nvidia 1050 TI and intel card. I followed Debian wiki to install
bumblebee, but upon booting it says "starting simple display
manager" and everything froze
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2515 [20:52:55] <greycat> 11:15 AquaticWeasel> I'm using a
Nvidia 1050 ti on my laptop
2516 [20:53:11] <AquaticWeasel> I'm currently on another
laptop because it's unbootable
2517 [20:53:27] <AquaticWeasel> I'm borrowing this one
2518 [20:53:31] <Tenkawa> I'd like to help but all I have is
radeon now
2519 [20:53:33] <Tenkawa> AquaticWeasel: ouch.. unbootable
completely?
2520 [20:53:40] <AquaticWeasel> yeah completely
2521 [20:53:40] <AquaticWeasel> it just hangs
2522 [20:53:52] <AquaticWeasel> I tried blacklisting nouveau but I
think debian stable doesn't require it
2523 [20:53:53] <Tenkawa> any messages on console?
2524 [20:53:55] <AquaticWeasel> but I did it anyways
2525 [20:54:11] <AquaticWeasel> I tried ctrl + alt but it
won't even move to console
2526 [20:54:15] <Tenkawa> OH
2527 [20:54:18] <Tenkawa> wait
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2529 [20:54:29] <Tenkawa> just goes black right?
2530 [20:54:31] <AquaticWeasel> yeah
2531 [20:54:41] <Tenkawa> ok... boot to the opening menu
2532 [20:54:58] <greycat> meaning GRUB?
2533 [20:55:02] <Tenkawa> edit the boot entry with e and add
nomodeset
2534 [20:55:06] <AquaticWeasel> yeah I can get to grub
2535 [20:55:10] <Tenkawa> for a test
2536 [20:55:31] <AquaticWeasel> where should I put the nomodeset
after linux?
2537 [20:55:47] <Tenkawa> anywhere on the kernel line
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2541 [20:57:01] <Tenkawa> that'll probably get the machine
video to display
2542 [20:57:16] <Tenkawa> but your driver will probably be very
unhappy
2543 [20:57:38] <AquaticWeasel> also another side question, I have
a Atheros wireless card on this laptop. Only Debian Live DVD can
work with it. If I use main debian full dvd, it won't utilize
the drivers for it
2544 [20:57:55] <AquaticWeasel> that's kinda weird since they
are very similar
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2546 [20:57:58] <greycat> You probably need to install firmware
for it.
2547 [20:58:02] <AquaticWeasel> ah ok
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2549 [20:58:08] <Tenkawa> AquaticWeasel: thats missing a firmware
pkg
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2551 [20:58:18] <Tenkawa> what greycat said
2552 [20:58:49] <Tenkawa> wow its getting hot outside
2553 [20:59:02] <AquaticWeasel> it's warm here too, what area
are you in
2554 [20:59:04] <Tenkawa> already 83F out this early in year
2555 [20:59:06] <greycat> I like to check "dmesg | grep -i
firmware" for errors, because those errors usually tell you the
exact filename that it wants, from which you can search for the
appropriate package.
2556 [20:59:11] <Tenkawa> eastern us
2557 [20:59:17] <AquaticWeasel> I'm in west
2558 [20:59:22] <AquaticWeasel> thanks
2559 [20:59:50] <Tenkawa> did that get the box booted up?
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2564 [21:02:11] <AquaticWeasel> not yet, I will let you know
though, I made the mistake of reinstalling Debian on it and will
reinstall bumblebee and try that again
2565 [21:02:40] <AquaticWeasel> I probably came on a bad time
earlier
2566 [21:02:58] <Tenkawa> good luck though
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2568 [21:03:16] <AquaticWeasel> also Debian is the only linux
distribution that works on my gaming laptop
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2570 [21:03:35] <AquaticWeasel> every newer version that has
kernel 4+ has a starting boot hold up
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2572 [21:03:58] <AquaticWeasel> and cpu lock up on #4/#6/#2 and
it's all unusable. I guess Deb Stable's older kernel
doesn't have that issue
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2606 [21:16:39] <Logg> debian stable ships with 4.9 though
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2609 [21:17:00] <AquaticWeasel> oh shoot you are right I honestly
don't know
2610 [21:17:27] <annadane> grep -i firmware or do what any sane
person should do and alias grep to grep -i
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2613 [21:17:44] <AquaticWeasel> got it
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2615 [21:18:26] <AquaticWeasel> "starting hold until boot
process finishes up" "Hard lock on Cpu #6" is what I
do remember
2616 [21:18:47] <anonyan> how to install prorpietary legacy
drivers (need 94xx for GeForce4 Ti) on debian teating?
2617 [21:19:09] <greycat> !debian-next
2618 [21:19:09] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2623 [21:20:02] <annadane> it'd be the same for stable most
likely except the package may not be in testing
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2626 [21:20:11] <annadane> i just don't know how one would
find the correct package
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2628 [21:20:36] <annadane> but yeah #debian-next on oftc is indeed
the correct channel to ask in
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2688 [21:49:20] <jordila> dear #debian ers , i'm puzzled ...
when maximum of 10 databases of modest websites, low traffic and
content volume (Wordpress , Drupal ... ) are reported by phpMyAdmin
to be lower than (aggregated) several hundreds of MB ... how come
that 5.4 GiB at /var/lib/mysql folder are being reported on the
system ?!
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2690 [21:52:10] <tuxmartin> Hi, I have server (OVH) with Debian
8.10 and kernel "3.14.32-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64". This kernel
has grsecurity. I need to show all processes in "ps"
output as normal user. Grsecurite disable this. How can I turn off
this feature?
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2696 [21:55:43] <annadane> hrm... there's no simple off
switch for grsec?
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2698 [21:55:49] <annadane> i don't know, just thinking out
loud
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2700 [21:56:42] <hassoon> anyone knows how i can increase/crease
screen brightness in stretch? i cannot use xbacklight in stretch
anymore after upgrading from jessie
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2702 [21:56:51] <greycat> It might be SELinux instead of grsec.
2703 [21:57:10] <greycat> if it's selinux then this google
result MIGHT help :
replaced-url
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2705 [21:57:25] <annadane> hassoon, there's the redshift
package (and redshift-gtk if you want a GUI)
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2707 [21:57:41] <annadane> (though it's not much of a GUI, it
must be said)
2708 [21:57:47] <hassoon> annadane: nah thanks, i need a
command-line way of doing it
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2717 [22:03:16] <Logg> hassoon, I have this line in my
.bash_aliases file: alias nighttime='redshift -b 0.5 -l
36.17:-86.78 -r -t 4000K:4000K'
2718 [22:03:22] <Logg> the -b parameter sets brightness
2719 [22:03:45] <hassoon> Logg: thank you i'll install
redshift and try it
2720 [22:03:47] <ScottE> tuxmartin: is /proc mounted with hidepid
enabled? If so, remount it without. I have no clue if that's
how grsecurity does it, but that's one way it can be done
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2723 [22:04:34] <Logg> hassoon, it should be noted that it does
not control the hardware backlight like xbacklight does. it's
just a filter
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2725 [22:04:56] <hassoon> Logg: what did stretch do to xbacklight
:/
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2728 [22:05:06] <Logg> afaik, it still works.
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2736 [22:09:45] <tuxmartin> I got it! "zcat /proc/config.gz |
grep GRKERNSEC_PROC_GID" And user in group defined in
GRKERNSEC_PROC_GID can see all processes.
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2752 [22:14:35] <annadane> !win tuxmartin
2753 [22:14:36] <dpkg> Congratulations, tuxmartin! You have won a
lifetime supply of spam!
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2760 [22:17:23] <tuxmartin> annadane: Why? It can be useful for
someone else.
2761 [22:17:23] <tuxmartin> ..
2762 [22:19:43] <alkisg> tuxmartin: there's also zgrep
instead of zcat | grep...
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2838 [23:00:46] <dirac1> Hello guys, I have proble configuring the
ssh daemon. I'm modifying the configuration file (sshd_config).
However, after restarting the service I can still connect with one
blocked user.
2839 [23:01:19] <Tenkawa> what changes did you make?
2840 [23:01:32] <Tenkawa> need more info on steps taken
2841 [23:01:44] <dirac1> Let me show you the config file
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2846 [23:02:47] <AquaticWeasel> Hey tenkawa
2847 [23:02:53] <Tenkawa> greetings again
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2849 [23:02:58] <Tenkawa> any luck?
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2851 [23:03:10] <AquaticWeasel> After doing nomodeset it brings me
to. Command line login where it's frozen
2852 [23:03:30] <Tenkawa> interesting....
2853 [23:03:46] <Tenkawa> so it was a two fold problem
2854 [23:03:49] <AquaticWeasel> Debian gnu 9 tty1 login: but I
can't type or login
2855 [23:04:26] <Tenkawa> wired kb?
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2857 [23:04:44] <Tenkawa> or laptp[
2858 [23:04:49] <Tenkawa> er laptop
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2860 [23:05:13] <dirac1> Tenkawa, nvm found my issue. lol
2861 [23:05:13] <AquaticWeasel> Hey tenkawa Im in console in
recovery mode
2862 [23:05:23] <Tenkawa> theres some more goofyness with the
hardware that can happen here
2863 [23:05:30] <Tenkawa> dirac1: cool :)
2864 [23:05:45] <AquaticWeasel> Im root now since Im able to login
via recovery mode
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2866 [23:06:39] <Tenkawa> AquaticWeasel: hey go back through
/var/log/messages and see if you see any errors about tty1
2867 [23:06:51] <Tenkawa> from today
2868 [23:07:10] <greycat> AquaticWeasel: hmm. Sounds like sddm or
whatever *dm started, but because of nomodeset, it didn't
actually erase the screen this time. So you see the residual console
login prompt even though there's a frozen X session on it.
2869 [23:07:25] <greycat> But that's just a guess.
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2871 [23:07:35] <Tenkawa> greycat: yeah
2872 [23:07:43] <Tenkawa> thats what I think too
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2875 [23:08:04] <Tenkawa> but I want to see if the journalctl
complained
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2877 [23:09:02] <Tenkawa> he might have to pass the other
parameter too (looking up now)
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2879 [23:09:55] <AquaticWeasel> Weird
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2882 [23:10:12] <AquaticWeasel> So like it cuts off after network
manager is starting
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2885 [23:10:33] <AquaticWeasel> -debian network manager Re
2886 [23:11:05] <AquaticWeasel> My intel display driver got loaded
and definitely nvidia got skipped
2887 [23:11:14] <Tenkawa> ahhhh
2888 [23:11:23] <Tenkawa> so 2 cards
2889 [23:11:31] <Tenkawa> you need to blacklist it
2890 [23:11:33] <greycat> It's an optimus thingy.
2891 [23:11:39] <AquaticWeasel> Oh shoot
2892 [23:11:49] <greycat> He attempted to install the bumblebee
stuff following the wiki, or said he did.
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2894 [23:11:57] <AquaticWeasel> Yeah
2895 [23:12:09] <AquaticWeasel> The wiki didnt have anything about
blacklisting
2896 [23:12:13] <Tenkawa> oh those things are so ugggh
2897 [23:12:31] <Tenkawa> for trying to setup
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2899 [23:12:35] <AquaticWeasel> After the install the console gave
me a warning that nouveau is installed. Best way to fix it is to
reboot
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2902 [23:13:12] <AquaticWeasel> But I think I have to blacklist
nouveau?
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2907 [23:14:57] <Tenkawa> did you try adding the explicit entries
in xorg.conf?
2908 [23:15:09] <Tenkawa> listed here?
2909 [23:15:11] <Tenkawa>
replaced-url
2910 [23:15:20] <Tenkawa> to point things around
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2913 [23:16:58] <AquaticWeasel> Oh I see
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2916 [23:17:34] <AquaticWeasel> Yo tenkawa I see what's up
2917 [23:17:52] <AquaticWeasel> You are right. In x.org it shows
kernel driver is nouveau
2918 [23:17:55] <Tenkawa> yeah that page looks like there 2 key
packages and some config tuning
2919 [23:18:13] <Tenkawa> so go give that a try and see if that
helps
2920 [23:18:25] <Tenkawa> heheheh
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2923 [23:19:32] <Tenkawa> dual gpu powered systems are so hard to
work with
2924 [23:20:04] <Tenkawa> especially 2 of diff types
2925 [23:20:09] <Tenkawa> and I
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2927 [23:20:20] <Tenkawa> 've been doing it a long time
2928 [23:21:29] <AquaticWeasel> If I known it was this bad. I
would have just gotten some cheap intel display laptop or an amd lol
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2931 [23:22:26] <Tenkawa> nah think of it as a learning process
2932 [23:23:41] <AquaticWeasel> Good point
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2934 [23:23:49] <Tenkawa> heehee
2935 [23:24:12] <Tenkawa> thats the way I enjoy learning this
2936 [23:24:31] <Tenkawa> but I'm a tinkerer anyway
2937 [23:24:45] <AquaticWeasel> Hey tenkawa is it possible to
start network in recovery mode
2938 [23:24:52] <AquaticWeasel> :)
2939 [23:24:57] <Tenkawa> about to probably get into big.LITTLE
2940 [23:24:58] <Tenkawa> yes
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2942 [23:25:26] <Tenkawa> /etc/init.d/networking start
(theoreticly)
2943 [23:25:35] <Tenkawa> that was old way)
2944 [23:25:40] <Tenkawa> then..
2945 [23:25:56] <Tenkawa> check /sbin/ifconfig -a
2946 [23:26:15] <Tenkawa> any errors?
2947 [23:27:17] <Tenkawa> (theres several ways to start the
network and I'm not sure which is the default setup now. I
change mine a lot )
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2951 [23:29:04] <AquaticWeasel> Apparently my wireless chipset
won't start
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2954 [23:29:17] <Tenkawa> AquaticWeasel: error?
2955 [23:29:34] <AquaticWeasel> Also I did nomodeset
2956 [23:29:34] <Tenkawa> its just prob a dependency I'm
missing
2957 [23:29:45] <AquaticWeasel> And the screen is black
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2959 [23:29:58] <AquaticWeasel> Nothing on display
2960 [23:30:01] <Tenkawa> make sure you get the line right
2961 [23:30:11] <Tenkawa> it has to be on the line with quiet
2962 [23:30:19] <AquaticWeasel> Ah ok
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2964 [23:30:40] <AquaticWeasel> Hey is this normal
2965 [23:30:55] <AquaticWeasel> Im booting up to a ttyl screen
command line
2966 [23:31:15] <AquaticWeasel> I put it after quiet
2967 [23:31:34] <Tenkawa> yes
2968 [23:31:38] <AquaticWeasel> Oh my network is working
2969 [23:31:47] <Tenkawa> tty1 is the console
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2971 [23:31:55] <Tenkawa> primary console 1
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2979 [23:35:56] <istevenmon> what is the recommended filesystem by
debian installer nowadays?
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2982 [23:37:03] <Tenkawa> istevenmon: relative question really
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2985 [23:38:58] <Tenkawa> do you need speed, resilience,
reliability, or a mix?
2986 [23:39:08] <istevenmon> is the recommendation for a general
purpose system ext4?
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2988 [23:39:23] <Tenkawa> i believe so yes...
2989 [23:39:29] <istevenmon> Tenkawa: mix
2990 [23:39:45] <Tenkawa> solid state drives might have some
recommended tuning
2991 [23:40:03] <Tenkawa> there might some pages at
wiki.debian.org
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2993 [23:40:13] <Tenkawa> search for ssd or solid state drove
2994 [23:40:18] <Tenkawa> er drive
2995 [23:40:32] <Tenkawa> if you are planning on using one
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2997 [23:40:59] <Tenkawa> AquaticWeasel: hows it going?
2998 [23:41:32] <istevenmon> Tenkawa: what if i want to use a mix
of ssd and hdd? is there a filesystem i could use that would do
automatic tiering?
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3000 [23:42:05] <AquaticWeasel> Im installing all system updates
and purging nvidia. Ill try to reinstall tenkawa
3001 [23:42:13] <Tenkawa> heh that ones a little out of what
I've done with them
3002 [23:42:22] <Tenkawa> I stopped using platter drives asap
3003 [23:42:24] <AquaticWeasel> Ill see what happens if I edit the
x.org conf before i restart
3004 [23:42:35] <Tenkawa> AquaticWeasel: good luck.
3005 [23:42:50] <AquaticWeasel> Ill let you know of any errors
3006 [23:42:53] <Tenkawa> gotta run time to head to the house...
cheers all
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3008 [23:43:02] <AquaticWeasel> Or not seeya
3009 [23:43:06] <Tenkawa> heheheh
3010 [23:43:12] <AquaticWeasel> Seeya soon
3011 [23:43:14] <Tenkawa> I'll be back
3012 [23:43:18] <Tenkawa> sometime
3013 [23:43:20] <Tenkawa> haahaaahaaa
3014 [23:43:25] <AquaticWeasel> Lol
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3028 [23:51:53] <karlpinc> istevenmon: I'd suspect the
"tiering" would be a mdadm or lvm sort of thing, not a
filesystem sort of thing.
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3033 [23:53:56] <karlpinc> istevenmon: dmsetup cache ....
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