• 0[00:00:14] <teraflops> but generally, yes
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• 2[00:00:19] <n4dir> teraflops: i meant to choose if you want to run gnome or fluxbox when logging in.
• 3[00:00:31] <teraflops> ah true
• 4[00:00:41] <teraflops> I misread
• 5[00:01:13] <n4dir> but yeah, just wanted to write that back then you could use (for example) gnome, but use a different window-manager (for example icewm). That was funny (but not of much use, as far it's me)
• 6[00:01:42] <n4dir> lets hope we now have put enough confusion into tokayo :-)
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• 22[00:08:15] <teraflops> n4dir: oh well, you cannot use other wm than mutter in gnome iirc
• 23[00:08:44] <teraflops> but that's about gnome
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• 30[00:11:07] <n4dir> teraflops: i settled on window-managers, so i forget more and more about the environments. I do think that xfce4 would be a good choice for me though. Seems really intuitive.
• 31[00:11:22] <teraflops> I agree
• 32[00:11:46] <teraflops> mate is fine too, maybe heavier
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• 36[00:13:05] <n4dir> yeah, i thought so, but i don't know it.
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• 38[00:13:22] <n4dir> gnome2 clone? (cause then i got the basic idea)
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• 48[00:15:58] <black_13> how do you download the deps for a package
• 49[00:16:31] <teraflops> n4dir: yeah sort of
• 50[00:16:33] <somiaj> black_13: why do you want to download them. apt will automatiaclly download them and install them when you install a package.
• 51[00:16:33] <n4dir> black_13: the package manager takes care of that.
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• 53[00:17:05] <black_13> because i need to build the package from source
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• 59[00:17:49] <somiaj> black_13: care to give more details? When building it from source you will need the have the devel libaries installed, which usually means you have the deps isntalled.
• 60[00:17:59] <n4dir> black_13: a package not to be found in the debian-repos?
• 61[00:17:59] <somiaj> black_13: but there are ways to isntall all the build depends as well with apt.
• 62[00:18:14] <black_13> its found
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• 64[00:18:35] <black_13> i need to build the package from source to step through the source
• 65[00:18:43] <black_13> debug
• 66[00:18:53] <black_13> why am i asking 20 questions
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• 70[00:19:13] <n4dir> apt-get build-dep <package_name>
• 71[00:19:20] <n4dir> i think
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• 73[00:19:29] <n4dir> build-deps
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• 78[00:22:24] <black_13> replaced-url
• 79[00:22:29] <black_13> thanks
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• 87[00:32:43] <somiaj> black_13: apt-get build-dep packagename if you have a deb-src line in your sources will install all the stuff to build the apckage.
• 88[00:33:02] <black_13> thanks
• 89[00:33:30] <somiaj> black_13: if it misses some stuff to install the package, apt-get -f install after dpkg -i fails can install the missing deps for a binary package, there is also other ways
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• 138[00:58:04] <key> hi
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• 174[01:19:20] <s> hello
• 175[01:19:27] <IHaveNoName> Hi
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• 178[01:19:55] <Guest3255> any one know about instgagram hacking
• 179[01:20:03] <Guest3255> no burtite forxe
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• 181[01:20:24] <Guest3255> hi
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• 188[01:23:24] <teo_> someone know how can i install BCM4318 BROADCOM wifi card to my laptop ?
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• 191[01:25:08] <key> search you driver's in google on debian repository
• 192[01:25:28] <babilen> dpkg: BCM4318
• 193[01:25:28] <dpkg> b43 is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. replaced-url
• 194[01:25:31] <babilen> teo_: ^
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• 196[01:27:39] <teo_> how can i find which driver is my wifi ?
• 197[01:28:42] <key> replaced-url
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• 200[01:30:53] <teo_> my card is BCM4318 AIR FORCE ONE 54g
• 201[01:32:26] <teo_> replaced-url
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• 205[01:34:57] <key> you can test
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• 207[01:35:40] <key> if it goets well
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• 211[01:37:20] <LtL> teo_: USB or PCI? What is the chip hex id e.g., 1234.abcd 'lspci -nn'
• 212[01:37:59] <teo_> pci bcm94318mpg
• 213[01:38:43] <teo_> BCM4318 air force one
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• 216[01:39:52] <LtL> teo_: we need the hex chipset id
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• 218[01:40:22] <LtL> teo_: lsusb -v -or- lspci -nn
• 219[01:40:40] <teo_> 14e4:4318
• 220[01:41:05] <LtL> judd: 14e4:4318
• 221[01:41:14] <LtL> hrm
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• 223[01:41:57] <LtL> judd: pciid 14e4:4318
• 224[01:41:58] <judd> [14e4:4318] is 'BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Broadcom Limited' with kernel module 'ssb' in stretch. See also replaced-url
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• 228[01:43:27] <LtL> teo_: stretch? modprobe ssb
• 229[01:43:42] <teo_> wheezy
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• 232[01:45:01] <LtL> teo_: replaced-url
• 233[01:46:20] <LtL> teo_: looks like it should work out of the box
• 234[01:46:46] <teo_> which box ?
• 235[01:47:16] <LtL> teo_: it is a 'adage' means it should just work
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• 239[01:49:28] <LtL> teo_: wheezy is old but it should work with the proper driver
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• 241[01:50:12] <teo_> how can i check if wotks or not ?
• 242[01:50:20] <teo_> how can i check if works or not ?
• 243[01:50:36] <LtL> teo_: unplug the wired, reboot and see if it loads a driver, look at dmesg for missing firmware
• 244[01:50:47] <LtL> teo_: USB?
• 245[01:50:52] <teo_> pci
• 246[01:51:01] <teo_> inside laptop
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• 249[01:53:54] <LtL> teo_: ifconfig or iwconfig, you should see a wlan0 interface, if not it needs firmware. look at dmesg
• 250[01:56:23] <novilog> How do you install g++4.9 on Stretch? I keep getting "No candidate version found for g++-4.9". Google is telling me to build a whole .deb from source to resolve the issue... surely there's a simpler and more direct solution???
• 251[01:57:30] <teo_> i fix
• 252[01:57:35] <teo_> perfect
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• 255[01:59:53] <r00G_G33k> hello
• 256[01:59:53] <LtL> novilog: g++ 4:6.3.0-4 is stable/stretch, no backport. you'll need to compile it and hope nothing breaks
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• 258[02:00:05] <LtL> teo_: cool
• 259[02:00:11] <r00G_G33k> hey
• 260[02:00:19] <LtL> r00G_G33k: hello
• 261[02:00:22] <teo_> how can i fix the resolution on my monitor ?
• 262[02:00:31] <teo_> is screen 17"
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• 265[02:00:56] <LtL> teo_: xrandr in a terminal, but i never needed to use it myself
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• 267[02:01:07] <teo_> iam 1024 x 768 now
• 268[02:01:18] <teo_> i want 1280 x 1024
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• 271[02:01:30] <novilog> LtL: Dang, alright. It has to be that version specifically, unfortunately.
• 272[02:01:37] <novilog> LtL: Thanks for the help
• 273[02:01:57] <teo_> the display application ti have maxinum 1024x768
• 274[02:02:01] <LtL> teo_: type xrandr as user in terminal, see if it will support it. if so, man xrandr
• 275[02:02:16] <LtL> novilog: welcome
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• 277[02:03:09] <teo_> no, its not support, the max is 1024 x 768
• 278[02:04:13] <teo_> can i change monitor drives ?
• 279[02:05:22] <teo_> can i change display drives ?
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• 281[02:06:41] <LtL> teo_: a different or new xorg server may help, type 'apt-cache search xorg' for example to see if a package is installed type dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-intel for 'example' beyond my expertise
• 282[02:07:17] <LtL> teo_: that is the best i can do, check your hardware first
• 283[02:08:49] <LtL> teo_: without a better graphics driver that is the best it will do, setting it higher than recommended is dangerous
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• 286[02:09:34] <LtL> teo_: google 'debian wheezy screen resolution'
• 287[02:09:44] <teo_> ok
• 288[02:10:03] <teo_> the screen resolution is not my big problem
• 289[02:10:06] <LtL> teo_: best wishes :)
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• 292[02:11:28] <teo_> my big problems is the the nvidia X Server settings because i i dident make have xorg.conf file
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• 295[02:13:34] <teo_> thr nvidia X Server settings it tell to edit to X configuration run as a root the nvidia-xconfig and make xorg.conf
• 296[02:14:21] <teo_> if i make xorg.conf the laptop is not start lightdm graphics on wheezy
• 297[02:14:49] <teo_> this is my big problem
• 298[02:14:54] <LtL> teo_: most people have a bad time doing that, be warned. you can always delete /etc/X11/xorg.conf if it goes badly
• 299[02:15:15] <teo_> i know this , you tell me
• 300[02:15:26] <LtL> teo_: nvidia should do better on a 17" though.
• 301[02:15:50] <LtL> mine does with no blobs but mine is 15"
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• 305[02:18:07] <LtL> teo_: goog luck friend, i'm away.
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• 307[02:18:12] <teo_> ok
• 308[02:18:13] <LtL> *good
• 309[02:18:15] <teo_> thanks you
• 310[02:18:24] <teo_> for all
• 311[02:18:29] <LtL> teo_: you are very welcome
• 312[02:18:40] <teo_> windows is off
• 313[02:18:54] <teo_> linux for next years
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• 409[03:39:12] <nostalgiccloud> So anyone here know how to reset the root password on mariadb?
• 410[03:39:29] <nostalgiccloud> bear@debian:~/Desktop$ 170826 21:38:50 mysqld_safe Logging to syslog.
• 411[03:39:29] <nostalgiccloud> 170826 21:38:50 mysqld_safe A mysqld process already exists
• 412[03:39:29] <nostalgiccloud> [2]+ Exit 1 sudo mysqld_safe --skip-grant-tables --skip-networking
• 413[03:39:33] <nostalgiccloud> :|
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• 424[03:50:05] <aptDeb> a mysqld process already exist
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• 438[03:59:31] <jmcnaught> nostalgiccloud: look for the note about root password in your mariadb-server's README.Debian or NEWS.gz, probably /usr/share/doc/mariadb-server-10.1/NEWS.Debian.gz
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• 441[04:00:14] <nostalgiccloud> jmcnaught, I'm getting help in #maria
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• 468[04:12:11] <nostalgiccloud> apI know that
• 469[04:12:15] <nostalgiccloud> aptDeb, I know that
• 470[04:12:33] <nostalgiccloud> I was trying to figure out how to remove it safely, turns out i needed mysqld not mariadb in kill -9
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• 488[04:29:40] <cr1t1cal> i did a clean install of debian
• 489[04:29:46] <cr1t1cal> debian 9 that is
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• 495[04:31:02] <cr1t1cal> and the 'xrandr' command keeps giving the error 'Failed to get size of gamma for output default' ot something like that
• 496[04:31:20] <cr1t1cal> my window manage is stuck at 1024x768
• 497[04:31:31] <cr1t1cal> and I can't change the resolution because of that xrandr error
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• 512[04:41:19] <jmcnaught> cr1t1cal: do you need to install a firmware? 'journalctl | grep -i firmware'
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• 514[04:41:43] <nostalgiccloud> bazhang, really?
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• 517[04:42:01] <bazhang> nostalgiccloud, stick on topic here
• 518[04:42:11] <nostalgiccloud> Sure.
• 519[04:42:33] <nostalgiccloud> bazhang, since you've been a great help in the past I guess I'll request your assistance now.
• 520[04:43:20] <nostalgiccloud> I understand that Debian does backport security patches but for new features I'd like to inquire to you if you understand how to get a newer version wtihout creating a frankendebian
• 521[04:43:51] <nostalgiccloud> s/new features/new features \/ performance improvements/
• 522[04:44:40] <jmcnaught> !bdo
• 523[04:44:41] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
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• 526[04:45:25] <nostalgiccloud> ty jmcnaught, I was hoping bazhang could answer since s/he has helped me many times in the past.
• 527[04:45:54] <nostalgiccloud> I find bazhang is much better at explaining things and more patient when I get confused.
• 528[04:46:16] <themill> nostalgiccloud: ask the channel not an individual, thanks.
• 529[04:46:21] <jmcnaught> nostalgiccloud: that's not how a public IRC support channel works. You should also check replaced-url
• 530[04:46:32] <bazhang> nostalgiccloud, no idea bout debian
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• 532[04:46:49] <nostalgiccloud> jmcnaught, I understand that, themill if someone starts helping me I will continue the convo with them and take input as required
• 533[04:46:56] <nostalgiccloud> bazhang, you where, ubuntu?
• 534[04:47:02] <nostalgiccloud> I can't remember what you used.
• 535[04:47:02] <bazhang> no
• 536[04:47:06] <nostalgiccloud> gah
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• 538[04:47:12] <nostalgiccloud> You spoke about it in ##linux
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• 540[04:47:18] <bazhang> stay on topic here nostalgiccloud
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• 544[04:48:23] <cr1t1cal> jmcnaught: i think
• 545[04:48:29] <cr1t1cal> jmcnaught: that command gave errors
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• 547[04:48:43] <cr1t1cal> jmcnaught: AMD Firmware bug? wtf
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• 549[04:48:53] <nostalgiccloud> Since we seem to have a bunch of people here who don't break their installs as often as I do, do we have livepatching yet?
• 550[04:49:07] <cr1t1cal> jmcnaught: do you want me to paste it?
• 551[04:49:08] <nostalgiccloud> Or is debian still rocking that solaris level stability / security
• 552[04:49:28] <jmcnaught> cr1t1cal: yeah, make a paste if you don't understand it so that others can see the error
• 553[04:49:38] <themill> nostalgiccloud: that's enough, thanks
• 554[04:49:52] <nostalgiccloud> themill, I'm just asking a question.
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• 556[04:50:21] <nostalgiccloud> themill, my last longterm install of debian was 6.0, I went over 2.5 years without a update, upgrade, or reboot and it was never compromised
• 557[04:50:23] <cr1t1cal> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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• 560[04:50:51] <themill> nostalgiccloud: that's nice. We don't care.
• 561[04:50:56] <nostalgiccloud> themill, hence the solaris level security / stability. It's a compliment / testimate.
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• 563[04:51:53] <jmcnaught> cr1t1cal: do you have the firmware-amd-graphics package from non-free installed? replaced-url
• 564[04:51:56] <nostalgiccloud> Ok but could I get an answer to my question? Is there a Ubuntu Livepatching equivalent that is officially supported by the debian maintainers or should I just keep my systemd service that just triggers a update/upgrade
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• 566[04:52:43] <cr1t1cal> jmcnaught: i just did 'apt install firmware-linux-nonfree' as advice from some one else. didn't have that installed.
• 567[04:52:51] <cr1t1cal> jmcnaught: could that be the problem?
• 568[04:53:11] <nostalgiccloud> Also could someone correct me if I am wrong, it's possible to un-franken a franken-debian?
• 569[04:53:20] <nostalgiccloud> is it possible*(
• 570[04:53:41] <themill> nostalgiccloud: what do you mean by livepatching in this case?
• 571[04:53:49] <kion> Today I installed Debian on a laptop and then proceeded to copy about 9GB of files into the new Debian system, the tracker process put the laptop to its knees, is this normal?
• 572[04:53:52] <nostalgiccloud> themill, so applying security patches to the kernel without a reboot
• 573[04:53:53] <jmcnaught> cr1t1cal: that will bring in firmware-amd-graphics but in the future please don't cross post. I probably would have done something else than answer you if I'd known someone else was helping you elsewhere
• 574[04:54:09] <cr1t1cal> jmcnaught: no this is IRL
• 575[04:54:10] <nostalgiccloud> Livepatching is the name of the service by Canonical, IIRC the actual feature is called k-patch
• 576[04:54:17] <nostalgiccloud> Livepatch*
• 577[04:54:33] <cr1t1cal> jmcnaught: but anyways sorry. if you could help me I would greatly appreciate it
• 578[04:54:42] <jmcnaught> cr1t1cal: okay. well you should reboot after installing those firmware packages, it's probably improved. no worries ☺
• 579[04:54:47] <nostalgiccloud> themill, replaced-url
• 580[04:54:53] <cr1t1cal> jmcnaught: ok brb
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• 583[04:55:05] <themill> nostalgiccloud: kpatch exists, I don't believe the debian kernel team produces the necessary deltas
• 584[04:55:19] <nostalgiccloud> dang, thanks for assisting me though themill
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• 588[04:58:28] <SagelessFox> hmm
• 589[04:58:32] <SagelessFox> hi all
• 590[04:58:39] <nostalgiccloud> themill, if you don't mind me asking, how long have you been using Debian?
• 591[04:58:48] <SagelessFox> I think I am still having problems with rc.local
• 592[04:58:51] <nostalgiccloud> wrong cannel
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• 595[04:59:13] <SagelessFox> in debian9 :/
• 596[04:59:51] <jmcnaught> SagelessFox: what kind of problem?
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• 598[04:59:59] <SagelessFox> root@NP-Server:/home/lucifer# systemctl status rc-local
• 599[05:00:02] <SagelessFox> ● rc-local.service - /etc/rc.local Compatibility
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• 601[05:00:04] <SagelessFox> Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/rc-local.service; static; vendor preset:
• 602[05:00:06] <SagelessFox> Drop-In: /lib/systemd/system/rc-local.service.d
• 603[05:00:08] <SagelessFox> └─debian.conf
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• 606[05:00:14] <nostalgiccloud> lol
• 607[05:00:26] <nostalgiccloud> Can we netcat / curl / wget paste.debian.net?
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• 609[05:00:44] <SagelessFox> :/
• 610[05:00:55] <jmcnaught> SagelessFox: please use replaced-url
• 611[05:01:10] <SagelessFox> OK..
• 612[05:01:19] <SagelessFox> so I did chmod + x it
• 613[05:01:29] <SagelessFox> and the only cmd rc.local contains is
• 614[05:01:32] <SagelessFox> echo 1
• 615[05:01:59] <nostalgiccloud> SagelessFox, your enter key is not punctuation
• 616[05:02:16] <nostalgiccloud> Feel free to use these: , . ; : - |
• 617[05:02:52] <SagelessFox> oh..okay thanks for the info
• 618[05:03:33] <nostalgiccloud> SagelessFox, I was taught that on Freenode when I was 12. It's a great way to not make the big scary +O's like themill hate you.
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• 620[05:04:19] <jmcnaught> SagelessFox: it is better if you don't hit enter a lot, but don't pay attention to them. Tell us what you're trying to do, and what's happening instead. Use the paste site to show us commands and output.
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• 623[05:05:06] <nostalgiccloud> SagelessFox, exactly what jmcnaught said. If you want to be really lazy do this: | nc termbin.com 9999 after a command
• 624[05:05:19] <nostalgiccloud> It will return you a URL to give us that links directly to the paste.
• 625[05:05:31] <nostalgiccloud> Be warned though, it does hide the output from terminal so you don't see what your command is saying.
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• 628[05:05:46] <nchambers> its not hiding it
• 629[05:05:49] <nchambers> its redirecting it
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• 631[05:05:57] <Hoolootwo> yeah, you won't see it though
• 632[05:06:38] <Hoolootwo> I bet there's some hax you could do to see it, but not sure how worth it they would be
• 633[05:07:09] <nostalgiccloud> nchambers, redirecting it does hide it from your view
• 634[05:07:17] <SagelessFox> replaced-url
• 635[05:07:26] <nchambers> nostalgiccloud: its not hidden if you can still see it
• 636[05:07:28] <nostalgiccloud> It's a matter of semantics and what path you choose to use, human or literal
• 637[05:07:33] <nchambers> Hoolootwo: sure. I can whip up an example
• 638[05:08:11] <Hoolootwo> I don't need it, I have a set of scripts I use for that, but if you think it'd be useful, go ahead
• 639[05:08:45] <nchambers> I don't think it would be useful at all, considering its not hidden
• 640[05:08:48] <SagelessFox> any ideas on that? I dont think rc-local was starting up
• 641[05:09:01] <jmcnaught> SagelessFox: your /etc/rc.local file is not executable
• 642[05:09:19] <SagelessFox> I did chmod +x it
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• 644[05:09:59] <jmcnaught> SagelessFox: apparently not, your paste shows the permissions and x is not there
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• 646[05:10:57] <jmcnaught> SagelessFox: it's worth noting that rc.local isn't ideal as a way to start programs on boot. It's there as a lazy kludge. Making new systemd service units and putting them in /etc/systemd/system/ is pretty straight forward though
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• 648[05:11:44] <drinks2go> rc.local is depricated now no?
• 649[05:12:12] <jmcnaught> SagelessFox: replaced-url
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• 652[05:16:29] <cr1t1cal> jmcnaught: everything is fixed
• 653[05:16:31] <drinks2go> SagelessFox: what are you trying to do exactly with rc.local?
• 654[05:16:31] <cr1t1cal> but now I have a new problem
• 655[05:16:42] <cr1t1cal> my sources don't seem to have firefox
• 656[05:16:56] <cr1t1cal> everytime I apt install firefox it just says that the package is not found
• 657[05:17:00] <SagelessFox> replaced-url
• 658[05:17:03] <cr1t1cal> did debian remove support for firefox or something?
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• 660[05:17:31] <nchambers> its chmod +x
• 661[05:17:44] <SagelessFox> I tried both +X and +x
• 662[05:17:46] <drinks2go> SagelessFox: you'd probably spend less time writing a systemd unit file than trying to figure this out :P
• 663[05:17:47] <jmcnaught> SagelessFox: 'chmod -x' removes executable. Take a look at the chmod man page
• 664[05:18:08] <nchambers> SagelessFox: well then show us what happens with the +x
• 665[05:18:17] <nchambers> showing us the result of -x is no good
• 666[05:18:33] <SagelessFox> replaced-url
• 667[05:18:44] <SagelessFox> oh
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• 669[05:18:47] <SagelessFox> sry I see
• 670[05:18:50] <SagelessFox> thx
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• 753[06:32:52] <psychoticwarrior> hey
• 754[06:33:52] <drinks2go> Hello
• 755[06:34:13] <psychoticwarrior> hows it going
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• 810[07:18:51] <AGAGFBI> HI, EVERYONE. I COME FORM FBI,(:|
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• 815[07:26:45] <psychoticwarrior> AGAGFBI why do you say your from the FBI
• 816[07:27:24] <AGAGFBI> i m bored, so i hope someone could talk to me
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• 818[07:27:46] <AGAGFBI> (:P
• 819[07:27:51] <drinks2go> !offtopic
• 820[07:27:52] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 821[07:28:35] <AGAGFBI> yeah
• 822[07:28:45] <AGAGFBI> alright
• 823[07:29:16] <drinks2go> join debian-offtopic its bumpin
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• 825[07:31:02] <AGAGFBI> i have a question: How to encrypt thw whole disk of debian with dm-crypt? Thanks
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• 827[07:32:15] <psychoticwarrior> try diskcryptor or twocrypt
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• 854[07:57:16] <happygilmoregent> Anyone having issues where nvidia card crashing randomly?
• 855[07:58:09] <happygilmoregent> Like my screen just shows scrambled lines after using any browser or thunderbird
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• 858[07:58:51] <Trap-Chan> does anyonne know why when using thunar on xming none of the icons appear?
• 859[07:59:02] <drinks2go> did you install the drivers from debian repo or nvidia website happygilmoregent
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• 861[07:59:13] <happygilmoregent> Devin re
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• 863[07:59:22] <happygilmoregent> Debian repi
• 864[07:59:47] <happygilmoregent> Only started recently with 3.16
• 865[07:59:48] <abff> deebyeanne reepoh
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• 867[08:00:00] <drinks2go> kernel 3.16??!
• 868[08:00:05] <happygilmoregent> Yup
• 869[08:00:06] <Hoolootwo> kernel 3.16 probably
• 870[08:00:36] <happygilmoregent> Last listing was 4.9 which is weird
• 871[08:00:44] <drinks2go> didn't mean to overreact lol.
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• 873[08:01:06] <Hoolootwo> well, 4.12 is released, 4.13 has a release cantidate iirc
• 874[08:01:23] <happygilmoregent> When I apt-get update & upgrade
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• 876[08:01:43] <happygilmoregent> No mention of different linux-image
• 877[08:02:10] <happygilmoregent> Any way to force it?
• 878[08:02:15] <drinks2go> do you have the issues with noveau driver?
• 879[08:02:45] <happygilmoregent> Only after opening firefox,chromium and thunderbird
• 880[08:03:08] <happygilmoregent> I have to xrandr s 1024x768 -r 60
• 881[08:03:39] <Devastator> is it on debian stretch?
• 882[08:03:40] <happygilmoregent> To make screen easier to read
• 883[08:03:45] <happygilmoregent> No
• 884[08:04:11] <Devastator> have you tried with debian stretch?
• 885[08:04:14] <drinks2go> happygilmoregent are you using noveau or nvidia drivers for your card?
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• 887[08:04:32] <drinks2go> but yes could also just write up a live usb and see if that doesn't fix things
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• 889[08:04:45] <happygilmoregent> Its mozilla-firefox-buold
• 890[08:04:57] <happygilmoregent> Think its nouveau
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• 893[08:05:39] <Devastator> you are saying you are still on jessie, correct?
• 894[08:06:14] <drinks2go> I would try the closed source nvidia driver or make a stretch live usb and see if either of those fixes things, but if it's not happening with windows from other applications ... :S
• 895[08:06:42] <happygilmoregent> Yes
• 896[08:06:53] <happygilmoregent> Ok
• 897[08:07:00] <Devastator> I'm rather curious to know the reason to be still on jessie
• 898[08:07:23] <happygilmoregent> What's the stable version
• 899[08:07:29] <Devastator> Stretch
• 900[08:07:31] <drinks2go> stretch no?
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• 902[08:07:35] <happygilmoregent> I'm on whatever is stable
• 903[08:07:47] <Devastator> cat /etc/debian_version please
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• 905[08:08:39] <happygilmoregent> I'm on my phone letting computer rest
• 906[08:08:54] <happygilmoregent> Thanks for your help
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• 908[08:09:11] <drinks2go> lol :/
• 909[08:09:28] <Devastator> he comes here with an issue, but doesn't want to fix
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• 911[08:09:41] <drinks2go> Computers are more likely to die on boot anyway.
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• 937[08:28:39] <Trap-Chan> wtf how do you make a 256 color that ISN"T indexed?
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• 942[08:33:59] <drinks2go> wouldn't that be RGB?
• 943[08:34:06] <drinks2go> Trap-Chan
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• 945[08:34:55] <Trap-Chan> erm last i checked rgb could have millions of colors and apparently grub requires a max of 256.
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• 951[08:39:33] <drinks2go> Trap-Chan I'm just using google-fu here... 3-3-2 bit RGB
• 952[08:39:51] <drinks2go> 8x8x4 resulting in a 256 colour pallette.
• 953[08:40:24] <Trap-Chan> my search skills likely suck and i have no idea what 8x8x4 means.
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• 955[08:41:10] <drinks2go> rgb is non indexed. 1 bit depth rgb would be greyscale. If you want to produce colour you should investigate 3-3-2 bit rg
• 956[08:41:13] <drinks2go> ack
• 957[08:41:14] <drinks2go> lol
• 958[08:41:23] <drinks2go> 8 bit, 8 bit depth rgb has 256 colours
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• 960[08:42:10] <Trap-Chan> yeah i knew that 8bit and 256 were the same. my issue is telling gimp to reduce my image to 8bit.
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• 963[08:43:56] <drinks2go> mode > rgb
• 964[08:43:59] <drinks2go> save as bmp
• 965[08:44:00] <drinks2go> ?
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• 967[08:44:14] <drinks2go> image > mode sorry
• 968[08:44:42] <Trap-Chan> i'm not seeing how that will reduce it since bmp supports 24bit.
• 969[08:45:52] <Trap-Chan> hrm actually looks like i could use bitmap's advanced options to get to 16 but that stil seems to many for grub.
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• 973[08:51:28] <drinks2go> what about png?
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• 975[08:52:12] <Trap-Chan> i only see compression level.
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• 978[08:53:48] <drinks2go> I wonder if you can just switch to indexed mode and save with 256 colour palette, will grub have any idea :P
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• 980[08:54:15] <Trap-Chan> no idea. i just know that the guide i found on google says 256 non indexed.
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• 983[08:54:57] <drinks2go> canonical says png is preferred in modern times
• 984[08:55:02] <drinks2go> maybe this could help? replaced-url
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• 987[08:56:27] <Trap-Chan> welp if png will work regardless of count i'll just do that. :P
• 988[08:56:39] <drinks2go> that help page says mode > rgb should do it
• 989[08:56:49] <drinks2go> image > mode > rgb, sorry
• 990[08:56:55] <Trap-Chan> the image in question was alrady in mode/rgb. :P
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• 993[08:57:11] <drinks2go> LOL. Well best of luck, don't bork your grub
• 994[08:57:15] <DX_> Hey, I'm trying to start i3 with startx in Debian but it's not working. Any help?
• 995[08:57:31] <Trap-Chan> dunno what i3 is. sorry.
• 996[08:57:51] <Trap-Chan> someone else likely will know though.
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• 998[08:58:31] <AlexLikeRock> replaced-url
• 999[08:58:38] <DX_> Trap-Chan: it's a window manager replaced-url
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• 1002[09:00:09] <Trap-Chan> huh wonder what the benefits are.
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• 1004[09:01:26] <DX_> Trap-Chan: a lot but it doesn't start
• 1005[09:01:46] <DX_> I don't think it's related to i3. I think it's X
• 1006[09:02:04] <Trap-Chan> i'm likely too newb to be of any help. my best guess would be is it configured to act as the default WM.
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• 1008[09:02:14] <drinks2go> what if you sudo statx
• 1009[09:02:18] <drinks2go> startx*
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• 1012[09:04:37] <Epakai> !x-window-manager
• 1013[09:04:37] <dpkg> If you want to reset your x-window-manager globally: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
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• 1018[09:07:25] <DX_> Epakai: what does that do? Should I change 'x-window-manager' for i3, or run it like that?
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• 1020[09:10:00] <xormor> my friend's debian is complaining about "wireless kernel": I think I should reinstall it for him. I am now writing debian-9.1.0-amd64 to a USB stick.
• 1021[09:10:09] <xormor> his net does not work properly.
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• 1023[09:10:58] <drinks2go> How to exit vim without rebooting computer?
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• 1026[09:11:40] <xormor> drinks2go, [Esc]:x
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• 1028[09:11:52] <xormor> drinks2go, or [Esc]q!
• 1029[09:12:19] <drinks2go> ty
• 1030[09:12:25] <drinks2go> (thank you)
• 1031[09:12:34] <xormor> drinks2go, I mean [Esq]:q! if you do not write the file to disk, and if you want to write the file to disk [Esc]:x
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• 1036[09:15:58] <Trap-Chan> esc+x? i thought it was ctrl+x?
• 1037[09:16:28] <drinks2go> i thought it was rm -rf /
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• 1043[09:18:57] <xormor> Trap-Chan, that is in nano.
• 1044[09:19:08] <Trap-Chan> ahh
• 1045[09:19:15] <xormor> drinks2go, that removes all of the files in the system.
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• 1047[09:19:39] <drinks2go> lol
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• 1098[10:09:56] <Trap-Chan> hrm. i can't grub update?
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• 1100[10:10:25] <psychoticwarrior> update-grub
• 1101[10:10:39] <psychoticwarrior> grub-install <dev>
• 1102[10:10:42] <psychoticwarrior> update-grub
• 1103[10:10:45] <TheSilentLink> Hi to remove unattended updates is sudo apt remove unattended-updates enough
• 1104[10:10:45] <psychoticwarrior> update-initramfs -u
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• 1120[10:25:01] <RoyK> TheSilentLink: should do, or just cancel the cron job. why would you want that, though?
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• 1139[10:36:36] <MrNewbie72> Is it normal for debian to take 4 hours to install
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• 1141[10:38:32] <nkuttler> MrNewbie72: it dpeends. are you going for walks in between install steps?
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• 1143[10:39:05] <MrNewbie72> nkuttler: i was waiting for such answer 😂
• 1144[10:39:10] <MrNewbie72> No
• 1145[10:39:24] <MrNewbie72> I mean such question*
• 1146[10:39:50] <MrNewbie72> Most of the time is from the loading in installing base system
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• 1148[10:40:39] <nkuttler> loading? downloading?
• 1149[10:40:53] <nkuttler> that would depend on your network speed, so..
• 1150[10:40:57] <nkuttler> and your mirror
• 1151[10:41:49] <MrNewbie72> nkuttler: nope i got the dvd iso
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• 1153[10:42:14] <nkuttler> MrNewbie72: then it sounds like your hardware is just weak. only takes minutes for me
• 1154[10:42:28] <MrNewbie72> nkuttler: i tried installing via CD and USB 3.0
• 1155[10:42:58] <MrNewbie72> nkuttler: my hardware is mac book pro 2014 max specs
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• 1160[10:45:41] <MrNewbie72> This is taken from 32% until 70% something like that
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• 1162[10:46:08] <MrNewbie72> The rest of the setup is fast and normal
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• 1168[10:51:15] <drinks2go> ummm how old is the hard drive MrNewbie
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• 1170[10:51:23] <drinks2go> MrNewbie72 oof sleepy
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• 1172[10:52:04] <brandon> Shouldn't take that long. I've got a Mac Pro from 2008 and it installs in about 20 minutes depending on how much I pull from the repository.
• 1173[10:52:11] <MrNewbie72> drinks2go: from 2014 😂
• 1174[10:52:20] <MrNewbie72> Btw its ssd
• 1175[10:52:30] <drinks2go> ding ding ding
• 1176[10:52:40] <MrNewbie72> drinks2go: nope thats not the problem
• 1177[10:52:47] <drinks2go> you sure?
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• 1180[10:52:52] <MrNewbie72> 100%
• 1181[10:53:22] <drinks2go> How?
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• 1188[10:55:59] <MrNewbie72> I did this like in 2015 once and today once ( when i chose the option to encrypt the partition it asks u to overwrite the whole data on the ssd ) it took me 36 min to overwrite 1TB so i guess that extremely fast
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• 1191[10:57:31] <MrNewbie72> Jessie and stretch same problem , i always had this problem since i got the laptop
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• 1195[10:59:45] <MrNewbie72> The only difference between this laptop and my other computers/laptops this uses UEFI but i guess that shouldn't have anything to do with this am i correct?
• 1196[11:00:14] <brandon> UEFI support worked fine for me.
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• 1200[11:01:08] <MrNewbie72> This installation works fine it just takes so long srsly about 4 hours or more ( i am timing it now ) to be exact
• 1201[11:01:31] <brandon> I mean, you only have to go through the installation once.
• 1202[11:01:56] <brandon> Possibly choose a faster mirror?
• 1203[11:02:07] <MrNewbie72> brandon: Its offline install
• 1204[11:03:09] <MrNewbie72> I know its fine with me to wait 4 hrs once or even twice its just i am curious why this is happening
• 1205[11:03:16] <drinks2go> ... how is this not the drive ?
• 1206[11:03:37] <brandon> Unfortunately I do not know what it could be. My knowledge is likely limited compared to others here.
• 1207[11:04:05] <MrNewbie72> drinks2go: I did this like in 2015 once and today once ( when i chose the option to encrypt the partition it asks u to overwrite the whole data on the ssd ) it took me 36 min to overwrite 1TB so i guess that extremely fast
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• 1209[11:04:38] <drinks2go> hmm
• 1210[11:04:48] <MrNewbie72> drinks2go: plus i have this problem from 2015 which is when the laptop was about 1 years old
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• 1212[11:05:18] <drinks2go> I don't quite understand
• 1213[11:05:19] <MrNewbie72> drinks2go: Transferring file after the installation is done is fast and normal
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• 1215[11:05:37] <drinks2go> Maybe the encrpytion? Processor I guess?
• 1216[11:05:59] <MrNewbie72> drinks2go: i tried without encryption same problem
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• 1219[11:06:40] <MrNewbie72> drinks2go: In fact i am reinstalling it for the second time today because i forgot to select the encryption part
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• 1222[11:07:30] <drinks2go> Welp, I give up!
• 1223[11:07:53] <drinks2go> I think you're probably right about it not being the SSD.
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• 1225[11:08:26] <MrNewbie72> Is it possible that maybe its not using the whole cpu power while unpacking packages and just using say 1 core or even 1 thread for all this time its taking :P
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• 1229[11:09:13] <JyZyXEL> how do you select compression level for tar command?
• 1230[11:09:31] <drinks2go> possibly, but even so I have a little thin client single core, 1.46ghz and I can get the install done seven or eight times in that amount of time MrNewbie72
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• 1232[11:10:12] <drinks2go> scales from 533 mhz to the advertised clock speed, if it can do it I'd think you mac pro should too
• 1233[11:10:21] <MrNewbie72> drinks2go: Yeah... still not a good reason to move on
• 1234[11:10:41] <drinks2go> Agreed
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• 1237[11:11:21] <drinks2go> but you'd think if it was a hardware issue you'd have noticed it in use
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• 1239[11:11:55] <MrNewbie72> drinks2go: true, i am quiet sure its not a hardware problem
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• 1241[11:12:37] <MrNewbie72> Maybe hardware compatibility issue during installation only
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• 1261[11:24:18] <mi11k1> i tried deconf and all the settings in pcmanfm and caja
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• 1274[11:29:13] <Trap-Chan> is there any tweak for tab complete in CLI and the terminal emulator? if i have foo.bar and foobar and type f and hit tab i'd like it to complete up to the difference(foo) instead of requiring me to type UNTIL the difference. or maybe just it cycles through any the beginning i typed could apply to?
• 1275[11:30:23] <mi11k1> replaced-url
• 1276[11:30:37] <nkuttler> Trap-Chan: which shell do you use?
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• 1279[11:31:24] <nkuttler> Trap-Chan: actually, if there is anything else that starts with f, the software would have to read your mind
• 1280[11:31:51] <Trap-Chan> whatever ssh would use i guess? most of my apps are the debian/xfce defults as I haven't done any under the hood customizing.
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• 1282[11:32:08] <mi11k1> lxterm
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• 1285[11:33:28] <Trap-Chan> it would have to read my mind? how so? if it constructed a list of all the possible results and cycled through them with each tab press not at all. even not doing that completing through the common portions of all possibilities would be supperiour and require no mind reading.
• 1286[11:33:49] <mi11k1> Trap-Chan, what is for?
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• 1289[11:34:16] <Trap-Chan> when typing the name of a folder/file
• 1290[11:34:32] <mi11k1> whats the best trap mix right now?
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• 1292[11:34:57] <Trap-Chan> male and female? the only one? :P
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• 1295[11:35:08] <mi11k1> dirty
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• 1299[11:36:18] <mi11k1> Trap-Chan, just dirty
• 1300[11:36:26] <mi11k1> doesnt matter gender
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• 1312[11:44:48] <Trap-Chan> how do i know where in .bashrc to put [[ $- = *i* ]] && bind TAB:menu-complete ? there is a chance that's what i need it seems.
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• 1316[11:46:20] <Epakai> /etc/bash.bashrc has an example for enabling completion
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• 1320[11:49:37] <Trap-Chan> Epakai I already have completion I'm just not pleased that it wants me to walk it up to the spot where it doesn't have to do any choosing.
• 1321[11:50:53] <Epakai> that's the only completion config i have enabled and i don't have that behavior
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• 1323[11:51:44] <Trap-Chan> so if you have 10 files in your folder that all start with abcdefghijklmno you don't have to type that whole string before tab complete will work? it will just cycle through them?
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• 1328[11:52:52] <Epakai> it would complete abcdefghijklmno, then on a second tab there would be a list of possible matches
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• 1330[11:54:13] <Trap-Chan> a list is a bit weird but still far better than where i'm at where i have to type all the way to the character after o before tab will do anything. so i just uncomment the if block and save?
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• 1335[11:57:46] <Epakai> I put it in my user's ~/.bashrc I'm not sure if /etc/bash.bashrc applies when the user has their own
• 1336[11:58:30] <Epakai> If you want to cycle instead of listing possible matches you can also add a line: bind '"\t":menu-complete'
• 1337[11:59:39] <Trap-Chan> well it seems to have taken on my ssh...still not the best sollution...i mean it's better than it was and i'm greatful for that. i'm just curious why the constantly touted superiour beast of bash is missing such a simple and useful feature that cmd.exe has.
• 1338[12:00:04] <Trap-Chan> ohh cycling is an option? where do i add that line?
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• 1343[12:04:11] <Trap-Chan> Epakai, are those graves or uphostrophes?
• 1344[12:04:34] <Epakai> apostrophes
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• 1349[12:06:32] <Trap-Chan> SWEET! thanx. it's a bit odd that it does stuff that isn't in the PWD but that could end up being really handy. :P
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• 1353[12:07:56] <Trap-Chan> also saw how to make the prompt colorful which makes the terminal alot less cluttered to my eyes. :P so thanx
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• 1366[12:11:33] <mi11k1> replaced-url
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• 1369[12:12:45] <mi11k1> replaced-url
• 1370[12:13:11] <Wulf> Hello. How do I set the keyboard layout to the "nodeadkeys" variant? I tried with dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration and selected it there and rebooted, but it's still with dead keys.
• 1371[12:14:14] <Trap-Chan> nodeadkeys?
• 1372[12:14:20] <Wulf> Trap-Chan: yes.
• 1373[12:14:30] <Trap-Chan> what's that?
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• 1375[12:15:32] <mi11k1> Wulf, package xkeycaps maybe?
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• 1377[12:15:51] <mi11k1> or keymapper
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• 1379[12:16:42] <Wulf> I don't think so.
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• 1381[12:16:54] <Wulf> don't have them installed on other computer
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• 1403[12:27:54] <Wulf> solved it, had to change it with dconf-editor
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• 1408[12:29:21] <Guest88506> Ciao!!!!!!
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• 1410[12:29:36] <Guest88506> !list
• 1411[12:29:37] <dpkg> guest88506: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi replaced-url
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• 1413[12:30:13] <Jonno_FTW> I did an apt-get dist-upgrade and I get this error: W: APT had planned for dpkg to do more than it reported back (54 vs 67). Affected packages: avahi-daemon:amd64 dovecot-core:amd64 openssh-server:amd64 rsyslog:amd64
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• 1426[12:39:36] <mi11k1> Jonno_FTW, what if you apt update and then apt upgrade before dist-upgrade
• 1427[12:40:17] <mi11k1> Wulf, where in dconf editor?
• 1428[12:40:50] <Wulf> mi11k1: org/gnome/desktop/input-sources
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• 1430[12:41:11] <Wulf> [('xkb','de+nodeadkeys')]
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• 1433[12:42:20] <mi11k1> Wulf, ahhhh
• 1434[12:42:23] <mi11k1> nice
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• 1520[13:26:00] <eugenmayer> any way to set the GRUB_DEFAULTS parameter during preseed?
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• 1525[13:27:07] <Wulf> eugenmayer: yes, late_cmd
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• 1527[13:27:32] <eugenmayer> Wulf: thats the only way? any examples ( sed foo ) already available
• 1528[13:27:40] <eugenmayer> googling right now, before writing it myself
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• 1531[13:28:49] <Wulf> eugenmayer: replaced-url
• 1532[13:28:58] <Wulf> and the other files there
• 1533[13:29:10] <Wulf> eugenmayer: doesn't change GRUB_DEFAULTS, but I guess you can adapt it.
• 1534[13:30:16] <eugenmayer> Wulf: is fetch-url always relative to the https server?
• 1535[13:30:25] <Wulf> eugenmayer: it's not
• 1536[13:30:42] <Wulf> eugenmayer: that's where "${url%/*}" comes in
• 1537[13:31:00] <Wulf> eugenmayer: url=... is the parameter you set in grub or syslinux
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• 1546[13:34:41] <eugenmayer> thanks
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• 1561[13:40:25] <Agiofws> hello
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• 1564[13:41:06] <Agiofws> is there an option to download debian but bit the net install i'd like to download an iso that has most basic packages installed
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• 1567[13:42:19] <Wulf> Agiofws: I don't understand your question. You can install debian from iso (dvd or usb) or from pxe (network)
• 1568[13:42:32] <Wulf> Agiofws: and there are mini-isos which download most stuff from internet
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• 1570[13:43:36] <Agiofws> what about mega isos
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• 1572[13:44:09] <Agiofws> is stretch stable or testing?
• 1573[13:44:13] <Wulf> stable
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• 1577[13:45:29] <Wulf> debian once had several .iso files, but I believe this was discontinued.
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• 1580[13:45:47] <Wulf> so only 1 cdrom image left, you need to download everything else from net
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• 1582[13:47:56] <Wulf> Agiofws: what's wrong with network install? got no internet?
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• 1586[13:49:10] <coruja> Agiofws, replaced-url
• 1587[13:49:10] <Agiofws> replaced-url
• 1588[13:49:30] <Wulf> oh, must have missed that
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• 1590[13:49:45] <psychoticwarrior> no sleep
• 1591[13:49:47] <psychoticwarrior> tired
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• 1596[13:50:32] <Agiofws> thanks
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• 1602[13:52:57] <lord_> hi to all
• 1603[13:53:13] <lord_> i'm stuck in a problem
• 1604[13:53:35] <Wulf> lord_: try using a crowbar
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• 1606[13:53:45] <lord_> I have a home server with debian sid
• 1607[13:53:49] <lord_> Wulf, lol
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• 1609[13:54:55] <lord_> in that server there's a domoticz setup that worked well for last months, but due to a massive debian upgrade is behaving strangely
• 1610[13:55:07] <Wulf> I never heard of "domoticz"
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• 1612[13:55:21] <Wulf> sounds like domo=home .. home automation?
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• 1614[13:55:32] <lord_> Wulf, it's a web oriented setup for gome automation
• 1615[13:55:34] <lord_> home
• 1616[13:55:41] <lord_> yes
• 1617[13:56:00] <Wulf> lord_: so what does it do, and what do you expect it to?
• 1618[13:56:15] <lord_> most of the tasks are written in lua
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• 1620[13:56:26] <lord_> it's an event oriented playform
• 1621[13:56:53] <lord_> so, it taked measurements from sensors, compute them in a way i like a do things
• 1622[13:56:57] <lord_> open doors
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• 1624[13:57:03] <Wulf> I get it.
• 1625[13:57:06] <lord_> goos
• 1626[13:57:08] <lord_> good
• 1627[13:57:11] <lord_> well
• 1628[13:57:21] <lord_> since last update
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• 1630[13:57:27] <lord_> 2 days ago
• 1631[13:57:34] <Wulf> try pressing return less often.
• 1632[13:57:55] <lord_> it seems not to be able to perform basic tasks as before
• 1633[13:58:28] <lord_> as example: a bash script that performs some pings and send some curls
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• 1635[13:58:49] <lord_> if I run the script from a shell it runs as expected
• 1636[13:59:19] <Wulf> lord_: did you already ask in #domoticz?
• 1637[13:59:23] <lord_> but if I try to run it from a lua call (a os.execute())
• 1638[13:59:48] <lord_> it seems denied to run the ping command
• 1639[14:00:16] <lord_> Wulf, domoticz didn't change, most of debian system did
• 1640[14:00:37] <Wulf> and now it's debian's fault?
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• 1642[14:00:46] <lord_> and, any way, yes, I tried, but nobody answered
• 1643[14:00:51] <lord_> well
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• 1645[14:01:10] <lord_> ping exit with an 126 exit code if run from domoticz
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• 1649[14:01:44] <Wulf> lord_: did you check the kernel messages?
• 1650[14:01:45] <lord_> I was wondering if there were some hardening functions in the latest updates
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• 1657[14:02:55] <lord_> Wulf, sure, but I don't know what am I looking for
• 1658[14:03:08] <Wulf> lord_: for anything suspicious after you tried your command
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• 1660[14:03:43] <lord_> a 126 exit code seems that a command was attempted to be run as an unprivileged user, no?
• 1661[14:04:09] <Wulf> lord_: what makes you think so?
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• 1663[14:04:16] <lord_> only some command have these difficulties
• 1664[14:04:27] <lord_> such as ping, fping and so on
• 1665[14:04:44] <lord_> ping need to have a raw access to create a socket
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• 1668[14:05:13] <lord_> Wulf, this: replaced-url
• 1669[14:06:40] <Wulf> interesting
• 1670[14:07:01] <Wulf> wasn't aware of this one
• 1671[14:07:02] <lord_> there could be several problems, of course
• 1672[14:07:18] <lord_> but: it started after a massive debian update
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• 1675[14:07:30] <lord_> and a dist-upgrade
• 1676[14:07:41] <Wulf> lord_: try strace
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• 1678[14:07:53] <Wulf> you should see what call exactly fails
• 1679[14:08:06] <lord_> Wulf, good
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• 1681[14:10:15] <elwisp> Hi, after an upgrade from wheezy to jessie my box lost its network interface, its a Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411. I installed firmware-realtek, but still no go
• 1682[14:10:59] <Wulf> elwisp: "ip link" does not show it?
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• 1684[14:11:10] <Wulf> elwisp: check your kernel messages
• 1685[14:11:10] <elwisp> nope
• 1686[14:11:25] <Wulf> elwisp: and make sure it's still in lspci. Perhaps the box really lost the interface?
• 1687[14:11:33] <elwisp> the card is there if i look in lspci, but problem is that the driver soes nto work
• 1688[14:11:44] <elwisp> does not work*
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• 1691[14:12:52] <Wulf> elwisp: check your kernel messages
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• 1697[14:14:01] <elwisp> for what?
• 1698[14:14:17] <gpunk> elwisp: ethernet device detetction
• 1699[14:14:20] <gpunk> or not
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• 1701[14:14:33] <elwisp> mah, its there, just drivers in jessie does not work
• 1702[14:14:49] <gpunk> elwisp: what does dmesg say ? about it
• 1703[14:15:03] <elwisp> thats its there
• 1704[14:15:07] <elwisp> but it does not have any driver
• 1705[14:15:25] <gpunk> can we see your dmesg ?
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• 1708[14:16:10] <elwisp> [ 0.474581] 8139too 0000:05:00.0 eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xffffc90000c8e000, 00:18:4d:f0:7b:99, IRQ 19
• 1709[14:16:26] <gpunk> and this /sbin/lsmod | grep r8169
• 1710[14:16:44] <elwisp> gpunk: that shows nothing
• 1711[14:16:48] <gpunk> and this /sbin/lsmod | grep r8
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• 1713[14:17:04] <elwisp> nothing
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• 1715[14:17:28] <gpunk> modprobe 8139too ?
• 1716[14:17:32] <elwisp> :Q
• 1717[14:17:36] <elwisp> ok
• 1718[14:18:07] <elwisp> not working
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• 1720[14:18:12] <gpunk> what do you mean ?
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• 1722[14:18:44] <elwisp> modprobe says nothing, so i assume it loads it
• 1723[14:18:50] <elwisp> but still cannot bring up the interface
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• 1725[14:19:20] <gpunk> what does "ifconfig" show ?
• 1726[14:19:28] <elwisp> i found the problem
• 1727[14:19:32] <elwisp> i had r8169 in blacklist
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• 1729[14:19:39] <gpunk> :)
• 1730[14:20:15] <elwisp> how do i make sure it loads at next reboot?
• 1731[14:20:30] <gpunk> comment out the balcklisting
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• 1733[14:20:51] <elwisp> cool
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• 1735[14:21:09] <gpunk> you may have to blacklist 8139too , to not have a conflict
• 1736[14:21:37] <elwisp> rebooted now, so we will soon find out
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• 1739[14:24:21] <elwisp> seems to be working now :)
• 1740[14:24:25] <elwisp> thanks m8
• 1741[14:24:47] <gpunk> :)
• 1742[14:24:52] <elwisp> I have upgraded loads of boxes too jessie
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• 1744[14:25:00] <elwisp> this one is the first one to fail at anything
• 1745[14:25:04] <elwisp> i blame realtek tho
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• 1750[14:28:14] <Vizva> On gnome wayland i hexch and there is a browser in front
• 1751[14:28:20] <Vizva> hexchat
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• 1753[14:28:37] <Vizva> then i click activities for to get hexchat in front
• 1754[14:29:03] <Vizva> if hexchat is in front i try click it but always it come the browser in front
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• 1758[14:29:50] <Vizva> and the wm like Plasma or Gnome are full of bugs like that
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• 1760[14:30:16] <Vizva> i thnk stretch will get better in future releases
• 1761[14:30:22] <Vizva> but ...
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• 1763[14:30:45] <aura> How can i download a package from a system and copy it to another one?
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• 1766[14:31:38] <hellyeah> there is no libpng16 in repo
• 1767[14:31:42] <hellyeah> ?
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• 1773[14:33:54] <gpunk> libpng16-16/stable,now 1.6.28-1 amd64 there is
• 1774[14:34:23] <Vizva> aptitude search libpng16
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• 1783[14:35:47] <Vizva> aura is this a network package?
• 1784[14:36:25] <hellyeah> replaced-url
• 1785[14:36:30] <hellyeah> i try to install this
• 1786[14:36:34] <hellyeah> ask me for libpng16
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• 1789[14:36:45] <hellyeah> but there is no package called libpng-16
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• 1791[14:37:21] <gpunk> maybe the -dev one
• 1792[14:37:31] <gpunk> you need
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• 1795[14:38:12] <Vizva> apt-get install libpng16-16
• 1796[14:38:24] <Vizva> if youre on stretch
• 1797[14:38:36] <hellyeah> nothing
• 1798[14:38:37] <aura> yes vizva, wireless firmware
• 1799[14:38:41] <hellyeah> i am on jessie
• 1800[14:38:55] <Vizva> aura which one?
• 1801[14:39:00] <gpunk> hellyeah: and mybe this libpng-dev
• 1802[14:39:10] <Vizva> aura the installer ask for it?
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• 1804[14:39:30] <aura> firmware-iwlwifi
• 1805[14:39:41] <hellyeah> is it
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• 1807[14:40:03] <aura> without it wifi won't work
• 1808[14:40:08] <Vizva> aura you can download if you search in google with your distro
• 1809[14:40:20] <Vizva> but you dont answer - do the installer ask for it?
• 1810[14:40:39] <aura> yes but i skipped the step
• 1811[14:40:49] <Vizva> you could do it again
• 1812[14:41:06] <Vizva> then download it from the original debian
• 1813[14:41:16] <Vizva> unpack it on a usb stick
• 1814[14:41:31] <Vizva> if the installer ask for it you put it in and click yes
• 1815[14:41:35] <Vizva> then its found
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• 1819[14:42:51] <aura> i don't know how to unpack it on a usb stick
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• 1821[14:42:55] <Vizva> it could be a little bit difficult because you need to unpack maybe the folder again somewhere inside
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• 1823[14:43:02] <Vizva> with ark
• 1824[14:43:08] <aura> ark?!
• 1825[14:43:12] <Vizva> aura you have another debian?
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• 1827[14:43:46] <aura> yes, i have two partition, one is already working i need to copy the package to the other one
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• 1829[14:44:19] <Vizva> the partition which is already working have net access?
• 1830[14:44:29] <aura> yes i'm using it right now
• 1831[14:44:37] <Vizva> with x?
• 1832[14:44:48] <aura> x?
• 1833[14:45:09] <Vizva> like colored windows not down on the console
• 1834[14:45:21] <Vizva> gnome or kde
• 1835[14:45:22] <a64> Hello, did any one try debian 9 on dell xps ?
• 1836[14:45:25] <Vizva> or xfce
• 1837[14:45:26] <aura> cinnamon
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• 1840[14:46:11] <Vizva> replaced-url
• 1841[14:46:25] <Vizva> here you need that for your architecture
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• 1843[14:46:45] <Vizva> no its for all the same
• 1844[14:47:40] <aura> i know that Vizva, what i don't know is how to copy and install the package in the second partition
• 1845[14:47:58] <Vizva> you did download ?
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• 1850[14:48:45] <Vizva> if you use a installation you shiuld have it outside that partition like on a usb stick
• 1851[14:49:15] <Vizva> if you finish your installation you can do another way
• 1852[14:49:58] <Vizva> like mount that partition
• 1853[14:50:05] <Vizva> and copy it wit cp
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• 1858[14:50:43] <aura> and what should i run for installing it?
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• 1861[14:51:26] <hellyeah> how to install ninja
• 1862[14:51:30] <Vizva> best is do first the step to get it inside or do installtion again if its not very stepped up
• 1863[14:51:46] <hellyeah> CMake Error: CMake was unable to find a build program corresponding to "Ninja". CMAKE_MAKE_PROGRAM is not set.
• 1864[14:52:23] <aura> is it hard to do it after the installation?
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• 1866[14:52:53] <Vizva> no but you need to know the command
• 1867[14:53:03] <Vizva> aptitude search ninja
• 1868[14:53:16] <aura> and which one is it?
• 1869[14:53:18] <hellyeah> anyone kknow smt about that
• 1870[14:53:28] <hellyeah> i alreay installed ninja
• 1871[14:53:34] <hellyeah> it doesnt solve the problem
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• 1873[14:53:59] <gpunk> hellyeah: apt install ninja-build
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• 1875[14:54:16] <gpunk> not apt install ninja
• 1876[14:54:56] <Vizva> auro go to duckduckgo.com for example
• 1877[14:54:59] <Vizva> aura
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• 1882[14:55:37] <Vizva> then search for .dep install debian - and read the pages
• 1883[14:55:47] <Vizva> .deb
• 1884[14:56:03] <Vizva> is correct
• 1885[14:56:04] <Vizva> -p
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• 1898[15:03:22] <hellyeah> frag
• 1899[15:04:06] <gpunk> ??
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• 1901[15:04:30] <hellyeah> do you know about this error replaced-url
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• 1903[15:06:07] <gpunk> you may need to install cc++
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• 1907[15:07:41] <hellyeah> gcc?
• 1908[15:07:46] <gpunk> c++ I mean
• 1909[15:07:48] <gpunk> yes
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• 1911[15:08:01] <gpunk> what is in /home/hellyeah/xcbuild/build/CMakeFiles/CMakeError.log ?
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• 1913[15:08:13] <hellyeah> i presume those compliers come default
• 1914[15:08:19] <hellyeah> let me check
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• 1917[15:09:15] <hellyeah> gpunk: replaced-url
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• 1923[15:10:43] <gpunk> hellyeah: you are on linux debian right ?
• 1924[15:10:52] <hellyeah> yes
• 1925[15:10:52] <gpunk> is gcc fully installed ?
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• 1927[15:11:49] <hellyeah> gcc is installed
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• 1929[15:12:19] <hellyeah> gcc: Installed: 4:4.9.2-2 ,
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• 1934[15:14:12] <geejay> help?
• 1935[15:15:04] <gpunk> hellyeah: install g++
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• 1939[15:15:41] <hellyeah> i will install
• 1940[15:15:47] <gpunk> i'll be right back
• 1941[15:17:14] <hellyeah> okey if there is a problem i will share here
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• 1943[15:18:32] <geejay> how can you reset your dns setting in debian 8
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• 1945[15:22:41] <hellyeah> error again
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• 1950[15:24:01] <Vizva> geejay with ifconfig
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• 1952[15:24:43] <gpunk> re
• 1953[15:24:43] <wb7odyFred> geejay,great question about dns setting. let me think and google
• 1954[15:24:49] <hellyeah> any help v
• 1955[15:24:51] <hellyeah> replaced-url
• 1956[15:24:56] <Vizva> ifconfig -help
• 1957[15:25:06] <lord_> Wulf, this the strace output replaced-url
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• 1959[15:25:23] <gpunk> hellyeah: ok hold on
• 1960[15:25:42] <geejay> Vizva, ill look into ifconfig-help tks much dude
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• 1962[15:26:13] <Wulf> lord_: just a tiny little part
• 1963[15:26:14] <hellyeah> sure
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• 1966[15:26:30] <Wulf> lord_: ls -l /bin/ping
• 1967[15:26:35] <lord_> Wulf, it's the whole output
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• 1971[15:26:44] <Wulf> lord_: no it's not
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• 1974[15:27:14] <gpunk> hellyeah: install libxml++2.6-dev and libxml2-dev
• 1975[15:27:17] <lord_> Wulf, it's the stderr, isn't it enough?
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• 1977[15:27:40] <lord_> that "operation not permitted" confuses me
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• 1981[15:28:24] <Vizva> geejay if you read some pages about you can find fast a useful command - after check that help, and you dont get a solution
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• 1983[15:28:44] <lord_> bin/ping is -rws--x--x
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• 1985[15:29:15] <Wulf> lord_: try making this 0755 (-rwx-rx-rx) for a test
• 1986[15:29:42] <lord_> I think it need a setuid in ordet to work properly
• 1987[15:29:50] <Wulf> lord_: for a test.
• 1988[15:29:57] <hellyeah> let me install those
• 1989[15:30:05] <lord_> anyway, I tried it yesterday, same result
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• 1991[15:31:18] <wb7odyFred> geejay, ifconfig eth0 down then ifconfig eth0 up should rebuild DNS settings for that interface
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• 1995[15:32:20] <hellyeah> gpunk: it worked seems
• 1996[15:32:29] <gpunk> :)
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• 2010[15:37:56] <wb7odyFred> geejay cat /etc/resolv.conf
• 2011[15:37:56] <wb7odyFred> # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8)
• 2012[15:37:57] <wb7odyFred> # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
• 2013[15:37:57] <wb7odyFred> nameserver 8.8.4.4
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• 2015[15:38:11] <wb7odyFred> geejay, here is debian documentation. replaced-url
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• 2017[15:38:31] <geejay> wb7odyFred, im not trying to rebuild, I just want to change the dns settings perment is what i really want to do
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• 2022[15:41:24] <wb7odyFred> edit file /etc/network/interfaces
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• 2025[15:41:42] <BluesKaj> geejay, is your version using systemd? if so you can set your dns nameserver IPs in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
• 2026[15:42:11] <geejay> i know that but when i open it thru the file manager there is content in it. When i open it thu the term under nano it is totally blank. I dont understand that
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• 2030[15:44:14] <geejay> BluesKaj, i must not be using systemd. I do not have a file like that in /etc
• 2031[15:44:31] <BluesKaj> geejay,ok
• 2032[15:45:12] <geejay> i can see what fred post but using the nano command to open the file is totally blank and should not be
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• 2034[15:45:32] <wb7odyFred> Read replaced-url
• 2035[15:45:35] <wb7odyFred> when you use the "cat" command to view contents of the file. is it blank or not blank? Maybe you have a difference in lower or upper case. Names are different files.
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• 2039[15:46:33] <wb7odyFred> and resolverconf and /etc/resolv.conf are not same
• 2040[15:46:51] <wb7odyFred> man resolved.conf(5) for details.
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• 2042[15:47:20] <BluesKaj> geejay, sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces ?
• 2043[15:47:22] <wb7odyFred> man resolved.conf
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• 2051[15:53:04] <wb7odyFred> after reading /etc/network/interfaces I cat /etc/dhcpcd.conf file and found interface wlan0 static domain_name_servers=8.8.4.4
• 2052[15:53:05] <wb7odyFred> man dhcpcd.conf
• 2053[15:53:30] <wb7odyFred> hope these hints and files to read and man pages to read, help you geejay
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• 2059[15:56:17] <geejay> i dont even have a file like that "$ cat /etc/dhcpcd.conf cat: /etc/dhcpcd.conf: No such file or directory
• 2060[15:56:23] <wb7odyFred> BluesKaj, I executed you command and read /etc/network/interfaces file
• 2061[15:56:54] <dob1> hi, to install docker I have to install docker ce, using this guide ? replaced-url
• 2062[15:57:14] <wb7odyFred> does the manpage come up with command "man dhcpcd.conf"
• 2063[15:57:41] <geejay> let me check
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• 2067[15:59:22] <geejay> wb7odyFred, no it does not. "man dhcpcd.conf No manual entry for dhcpcd.conf"
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• 2069[15:59:49] <wb7odyFred> two commands. First "uname -a" to see what version of linux you are running. Second "whoami". Thirds "ls -la /etc/dh*"
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• 2072[16:00:56] <roid> Hi guys
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• 2077[16:01:23] <wb7odyFred> Morning roid
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• 2079[16:01:31] <geejay> wb7odyFred, first command of uname -a "Linux david101 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u3 (2017-08-06) x86_64 GNU/Linux"
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• 2083[16:02:27] <geejay> "whoami" is root
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• 2085[16:03:19] <geejay> third command "ls -la /etc/dh
• 2086[16:03:19] <geejay> ls: cannot access '/etc/dh'"
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• 2089[16:04:30] <wb7odyFred> ls -la /etc/dh*
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• 2091[16:06:18] <geejay> wb7odyFred, i sent that one to ya on a pm
• 2092[16:06:31] <geejay> got to get a cup of coffee be right back
• 2093[16:07:01] <wb7odyFred> ok, i will look at pm . thanks
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• 2117[16:22:43] <aura> Is there a way to manually download a package in the .deb format?
• 2118[16:22:52] <gpunk> yes
• 2119[16:23:14] <aura> how gpunk?
• 2120[16:23:36] <gpunk> firefox ?
• 2121[16:23:52] <aura> ok done never mind
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• 2127[16:26:02] <aura> i've another question for you, i still haven't figured out how to set up an external encrypted storage drive
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• 2133[16:28:07] <gpunk> you are using deian ?
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• 2135[16:28:32] <aura> debian yes
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• 2139[16:30:38] <gpunk> replaced-url
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• 2141[16:31:02] <gpunk> you can follow this
• 2142[16:31:09] <gpunk> I cant type you all the commends here
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• 2151[16:33:20] <aura> thanks
• 2152[16:33:28] <gpunk> do you have gnome-disk-utility installed ?
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• 2172[16:49:38] <dorka1> hello
• 2173[16:49:46] <gpunk> dorka1: hi
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• 2175[16:50:25] <dorka1> i booted a live CD without mounting any hard disks. however i heard the hard disk doing something a couple of times during boot, and the hdd light also flashed
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• 2178[16:50:35] <dorka1> is this normal?
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• 2180[16:50:55] <gpunk> yes
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• 2184[16:51:54] <dorka1> ok :oo
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• 2187[16:54:18] <dorka1> just strange :o
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• 2189[16:55:30] <gpunk> no, that is normal, the kernel scans for installed hardware at bootup
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• 2192[16:58:15] <Guest37109> wb7odyFred, i got it fred
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• 2197[17:01:07] <dorka1> ok :o
• 2198[17:01:10] <dorka1> THanks! :o
• 2199[17:01:20] <gpunk> :)
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• 2211[17:06:35] <geejay> wb7odyFred, are u still here? I think i got it now
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• 2219[17:10:23] <Shmam> Having a problem with apt package manager. When I run sudo apt-get update, I get this error: replaced-url
• 2220[17:11:32] <themill> Shmam: if that's a Debian box, then don't use PPAs. If that's not a Debian box, then you're asking in the wrong place
• 2221[17:11:46] <Shmam> is a debian box
• 2222[17:12:00] <Shmam> why shouldn't I use PPAs?
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• 2224[17:12:20] <themill> Because they are compiled against Ubuntu releases and not Debian.
• 2225[17:12:27] <themill> They're also full of any old untrusted crap
• 2226[17:13:13] <drinks2go> they call that making a franken-debian Shmam, it's a bad idea
• 2227[17:13:19] <Shmam> so how do I remove them? They aren't listed in my sources.list
• 2228[17:13:27] <themill> they are
• 2229[17:13:40] <themill> !show sources.list Shmam
• 2230[17:13:40] <dpkg> Shmam: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
• 2231[17:14:10] <Shmam> what is sources.list.d? I've just been looking at sources.list
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• 2235[17:15:19] <geejay> Shmam, look in /etc/apt/souces.list
• 2236[17:16:00] <Shmam> Sources.list: replaced-url
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• 2240[17:17:13] <themill> that wasn't what I asked for
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• 2243[17:17:45] <Shmam> replaced-url
• 2244[17:18:17] <Shmam> That has everything
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• 2246[17:18:57] <Shmam> so i should just remove all of the PPAs and basically everything that says ubuntu?
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• 2261[17:26:29] <Shmam> So what is the difference between sources.list and sources.list.d
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• 2267[17:28:04] <Wulf> one is a file, the other a directory
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• 2274[17:31:14] <RoyK> Shmam: don't use ubuntu PPAs with debian - it'll probably mess things up
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• 2276[17:31:53] <RoyK> Shmam: and the .d is just a directory in which to place source list files
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• 2279[17:33:42] <MrNewbie72> If i compiled something my self to a deb file where should i install it to /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin?
• 2280[17:33:59] <iodev> MrNewbie72: depends
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• 2282[17:34:26] <iodev> is your app a core app?
• 2283[17:35:12] <MrNewbie72> What do u mean by a core app
• 2284[17:35:41] <MrNewbie72> Its just a normal application
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• 2286[17:36:14] <MrNewbie72> Even if it was a core app is there any difference?
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• 2288[17:36:23] <spinningCat> how can i solve this error replaced-url
• 2289[17:38:01] <hellyeah> there is g++ in system
• 2290[17:38:05] <hellyeah> osp
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• 2312[17:48:29] <gpunk> hellyeah: do locate libpthread.a please
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• 2316[17:50:53] <gpunk> can you install libc6-dev
• 2317[17:51:51] <gpunk> sorry install this instead zlib1g-dev
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• 2320[17:52:18] <gpunk> hellyeah:
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• 2327[17:57:32] <shtrb> Is there a way (or an idea ) to use a piwall as a display ?
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• 2332[17:59:42] <gpunk> replaced-url
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• 2335[18:01:06] <shtrb> Oh missed it's a payed option , thanks
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• 2337[18:02:14] <shtrb> it suppose to be able to act as vnc client, but I was thinking something on a xorg driver level
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• 2339[18:02:33] <gpunk> ...
• 2340[18:03:11] <shtrb> still thank you (thought out loud)
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• 2344[18:04:48] <gpunk> hardware solutions exists but is a littlebox to buy ...
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• 2346[18:04:52] <gpunk> like from matrox
• 2347[18:05:23] <shtrb> instead of piwall or with ?
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• 2349[18:05:37] <gpunk> instead of it
• 2350[18:05:52] <shtrb> ah thanks
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• 2352[18:06:43] <gpunk> replaced-url
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• 2354[18:08:37] <gpunk> but many standard videocards have multiple output now
• 2355[18:08:47] <gpunk> you can even use more than one videocard
• 2356[18:09:01] <gpunk> what is stopping you from that ?
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• 2358[18:10:16] <shtrb> can't modify the local machine I'm working on (no extra hardware , waiting for a usb to hdmi port to arrive by mail for I don't know how much time already ) , piwall was very exiting (because I have kind of access to it )
• 2359[18:10:42] <shtrb> *DisplayLink
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• 2371[18:15:13] <gpunk> ok if it s on its way ... then I guess you have to use that
• 2372[18:15:53] <shtrb> yeh , I kind of sick of waiting so I thought to somehow use it the piwall instead for now
• 2373[18:16:02] <shtrb> thanks for the point to the payed version
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• 2380[18:19:12] <gpunk> how many screens do you need ?
• 2381[18:19:50] <shtrb> 2
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• 2385[18:20:15] <gpunk> sorry for the question, how many outputs has the videocard on board ?
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• 2387[18:20:34] <shtrb> 1
• 2388[18:20:36] <shtrb> it's ok
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• 2391[18:21:05] <key> hi
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• 2393[18:21:15] <shtrb> * I need 2 extra (3 in total)
• 2394[18:21:21] <beingbrown> so, i have a vm running on a debian host (setup via virsh, for now, if that's relevant) and I want to be able to ssh directly to the vm
• 2395[18:21:33] <gpunk> key: hi
• 2396[18:21:38] <gpunk> shtrb: i see
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• 2398[18:22:05] <beingbrown> obstacles i know of: the vm is dhcp onto the virsh NAT. other than that, is IP tables the right way to go about this?
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• 2400[18:22:38] <gpunk> beingbrown: can you ping the IP of the VM ?
• 2401[18:22:57] <beingbrown> once i've started it, yes. and i can ssh in from the host once it's started and been provisioned.
• 2402[18:23:08] <beingbrown> but it doesn't exist if i'm not logged into the host.
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• 2405[18:24:04] <gpunk> so you let it run in the backgroud after you logoff ?
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• 2408[18:25:32] <beingbrown> yes. i log on and start it, and then log off, at the moment. eventually it'll be autostart and all that. but for now i'm just trying to get it all hooked up.
• 2409[18:26:02] <jmcnaught> beingbrown: are you using virsh with qemu:///system or qemu:///session?
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• 2411[18:27:14] <key> something its a free software programmer??
• 2412[18:27:34] <beingbrown> jmcnaught: i don't know--how can i check that? I created it with virt-manager
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• 2415[18:28:51] <jmcnaught> beingbrown: probably qemu:///system. In virt-manager double click the QEMU/KVM connection and look at the Libvirt URI. Is your host computer connected by ethernet?
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• 2417[18:29:11] <beingbrown> my host computer is connected via wireless.
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• 2420[18:29:23] <gpunk> ah
• 2421[18:29:26] <gpunk> got it
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• 2423[18:29:52] <beingbrown> that was the impetus that caused me to migrate to libvirt
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• 2425[18:30:08] <beingbrown> i couldn't get networking to work.
• 2426[18:30:21] <beingbrown> i'm not smart. :X
• 2427[18:30:59] <jmcnaught> beingbrown: one easy way to make your VMs accessible by other computers on your LAN is to use a bridge interface. Unfortunately it's not as easy to bridge a wireless interface: replaced-url
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• 2429[18:32:42] <beingbrown> yeah. that's the problem i encountered when i was trying to do it. i tried that one and a few others, and couldn't get it to play nice. so now I have the NAT, and I thought somehow I could do port forwarding or something maybe?
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• 2435[18:35:59] <somiaj> beingbrown: if using libvirt, the nat and the virtual network should be configured by default, and libvirt contains ways to setup the port forwarding for its virtual nat it sets up
• 2436[18:36:02] <somiaj> virtual net
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• 2438[18:36:28] <beingbrown> oh. that's exciting. how do i go about finding those ways?
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• 2441[18:37:10] <somiaj> beingbrown: are you using libvirt?
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• 2443[18:37:16] <beingbrown> I am.
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• 2445[18:37:44] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 2446[18:37:45] <beingbrown> i have the default NAT network which is working great.
• 2447[18:38:43] <boodie> Hi (stretch), I had problems with various sites where you have to fill forms in order to process payments using firefox (52.3.0 (64 bit)). I found that chromium works better. Is chromium advisable, as safe / reliable as firefox?
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• 2453[18:39:17] <somiaj> beingbrown: replaced-url
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• 2455[18:40:22] <beingbrown> okay. thanks somiaj i'll read these over.
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• 2472[18:48:56] <gpunk> anyone knows adminer ?
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• 2511[19:05:11] <gitju_> Hi
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• 2551[19:24:21] <DerLGm> told my wife about the origin to the debian name. she thought it was cute. then i toyed with our names to see what our would be.
• 2552[19:24:47] <DerLGm> turns out our distro would still be named after her.
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• 2556[19:25:48] <shtrb> :D
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• 2564[19:29:00] <DerLGm> shtrb: us at deb story(her/me) :) :) at 'our distro' :D :l
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• 2570[19:31:25] <somiaj> thinks DerLGm should be in #debian-offtopic
• 2571[19:31:48] <shtrb> somiaj /me
• 2572[19:32:33] <DerLGm> shtrb: mybad didny know it was a thing
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• 2576[19:33:13] <somiaj> DerLGm: we try to keep this channel for debian support
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• 2578[19:33:39] <midas22> whois midas22
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• 2583[19:34:34] <shtrb> midas22 your are missing the slash
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• 2589[19:36:28] <netzach> hello
• 2590[19:36:33] <netzach> any hp server users here?
• 2591[19:36:34] <DerLGm> shtrb: is deb liveboot a separate image or did i make my usb wrong somehow,
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• 2593[19:37:29] <shtrb> live images are seprate images
• 2594[19:37:45] <somiaj> DerLGm: how did you put the .iso on the usb?
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• 2599[19:39:02] <DerLGm> somiaj: unetbootin
• 2600[19:39:25] <somiaj> That could be your problem, that is known to now work with debian images.
• 2601[19:40:11] <somiaj> now=not
• 2602[19:40:22] <somiaj> DerLGm: are you making this image from windows, osx or *nix?
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• 2606[19:41:11] <DerLGm> somiaj: unetbootin on ubuntu 16
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• 2608[19:41:18] <somiaj> use cp
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• 2610[19:41:35] <DerLGm> somiaj: simple enough
• 2611[19:41:37] <somiaj> DerLGm: cp debian.iso /dev/sdX where sdX is the usb drive, be careful this will destory all data on that drive.
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• 2614[19:41:59] <paxcoder> Valgrind takes around 200 MB to install? o.O Is that right?
• 2615[19:42:17] <somiaj> what is valgrind?
• 2616[19:42:21] <paxcoder> (packets valgrind and valgrind-dbg)
• 2617[19:42:31] <shtrb> paxcoder one of the best tools to find nice features
• 2618[19:42:37] <shtrb> *somiaj
• 2619[19:42:39] <JordiGH> I tried plugging in a USB hard drive, Linux tried to create a /dev/sdb device, something failed, I unplugged the drive, and now /dev/sdb is still there. How do I get rid of it?
• 2620[19:42:46] <somiaj> paxcoder: apt-cache show packagename, it will show the install size of the package.
• 2621[19:42:52] <paxcoder> somiaj: a static analysis tool for C. Tells you if you have memory leaks (if you've manually freed everything you had to)
• 2622[19:42:55] <DerLGm> somiaj: i used one image not thinking twice of whether itd hav liveboot on it
• 2623[19:43:15] <shtrb> paxcoder ~89 mb
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• 2625[19:44:15] <somiaj> paxcoder: you could also do apt-get -s install packagename (I belive that will show you install size, it is just a simulation)
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• 2628[19:45:02] <paxcoder> shtrb: 33MiB+14MiB for valgrind and valgrind-dbg respectively on my machine.
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• 2631[19:45:08] <JordiGH> Maybe I should just reboot...
• 2632[19:45:21] <paxcoder> shtrb: maybe those are compressed numbers
• 2633[19:45:30] <teraflops> paxcoder: maybe you dont want dbg package unless youre going to debug valgrind e.g segfaults
• 2634[19:45:51] <netzach> hello, any hp server users here?
• 2635[19:46:07] <paxcoder> teraflops: it was autoselected
• 2636[19:46:23] <paxcoder> *is
• 2637[19:46:27] <teraflops> I bet many, why dont you ask your question directly?
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• 2643[19:47:44] <shtrb> paxcoder , it download 48.3 and unpack 223 (for valgrind , valgrind-dbg ) at my place :)
• 2644[19:47:59] <paxcoder> that's monstruous
• 2645[19:48:08] <shtrb> it's nothing :)
• 2646[19:48:16] <paxcoder> for a cli tool?
• 2647[19:48:22] <shtrb> you would need some other tools (probably )
• 2648[19:48:24] <teraflops> nah, monstrous is 2GB :P
• 2649[19:48:39] <shtrb> paxcoder , I think FF plugins were over 1 GB
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• 2651[19:49:27] <paxcoder> shtrb: I'm not surprised anything to do with a GUI is big.
• 2652[19:49:41] <shtrb> :)
• 2653[19:49:58] <teraflops> paxcoder: your argumentation looks incorrect to me
• 2654[19:49:59] <paxcoder> But this has no dependencies. Just two CLI packages. 200megs. Makes no sense to me, asked in #valgrind
• 2655[19:50:09] <shtrb> valgrind is very nice , if you don't care about non free stuff check Visual Studio's SAL
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• 2657[19:50:17] <paxcoder> shtrb: i do care
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• 2659[19:50:32] <teraflops> why being GUI means big and bloated and being CLI the other way around?
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• 2661[19:51:19] <paxcoder> teraflops: GUIs have lots of layers and dependencies. Characters are cheap.
• 2662[19:51:43] <teraflops> it can be the same same for CLI
• 2663[19:51:47] <paxcoder> Valgrind doesn't even have a TUI afaik
• 2664[19:52:14] <teraflops> anyway just saying, not that I want to start a flame war about CLI vs GUI
• 2665[19:52:23] <paxcoder> teraflops: yeah, maybe for Java apps or something. This is a C-compiled binary (I reckon)
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• 2670[19:53:36] <tw> valgrind includes static analysis tools?
• 2671[19:53:44] <teraflops> paxcoder: but I prefer CLI too ;)
• 2672[19:53:56] <paxcoder> tw: what valgrind does is static analysis
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• 2674[19:54:15] <paxcoder> teraflops: didn't say I do ;P
• 2675[19:54:16] <tw> Does it require execution? If so, it's dynamic analysis.
• 2676[19:54:28] <tw> static analysis = source code only.
• 2677[19:54:37] <paxcoder> hmm
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• 2680[19:54:56] <paxcoder> I don't think it does
• 2681[19:55:33] <paxcoder> But I am a forgetful person, and still debating whether to give it 200MiB
• 2682[19:56:06] <tw> in the grand scheme of things, 200MB on a development system should not be cause for concern.
• 2683[19:56:12] * teraflops shrugs
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• 2688[19:56:51] <paxcoder> "Valgrind is an instrumentation framework for building dynamic analysis tool"
• 2689[19:57:04] <paxcoder> tw: I guess I'm wrong then
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• 2691[19:57:31] <paxcoder> s/tool"/tools"/
• 2692[19:57:36] <netzach> anyone please?
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• 2696[19:58:24] <paxcoder> netzach: why don't you ask the question?
• 2697[19:58:53] <teraflops> paxcoder: to be honest go try it out, there's no point on asking us about your concerns on wasting 200MB of disk space
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• 2699[19:59:08] <netzach> I want to know if anyone familiar with hp tools for raid management knows if it's normal for the utility to tkae a long time to respond when a logical drive is in failed mode
• 2700[19:59:11] * paxcoder presses y with a sigh
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• 2703[19:59:25] <netzach> furthermore if a logical drive is in failed mode, linux tries periodically to spin up the drive and read the parition table
• 2704[19:59:35] <netzach> which spams dmesg and I think hangs the system
• 2705[19:59:44] <teraflops> paxcoder: :P
• 2706[19:59:45] <netzach> I never even mounted the disk but for some reason linux does this
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• 2710[20:02:57] <paxcoder> tw: yeah, it's definitely dynamic. It was blind to everything due to an early exit
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• 2715[20:06:30] <paxcoder> shtrb: my bad, it's not static
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• 2717[20:08:06] <netzach> IS there a way to remove a disk logically? even if it is physically presented?
• 2718[20:08:15] <netzach> say I have /dev/sda, can I just tell linux pretend it's been removed?
• 2719[20:09:43] <tw> netzach: like echo '1' > /sys/block/sda/device/delete ?
• 2720[20:11:21] <netzach> I have no idea what that does, might be that?
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• 2722[20:12:00] <netzach> does this owrk udisksctl poweroff -b
• 2723[20:12:01] <netzach> /dev/sda
• 2724[20:12:02] <netzach> ?
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• 2726[20:12:06] <netzach> was told in ##linux
• 2727[20:13:18] <tw> probably does something similar through more layers. Mine only tells the kernel what to do.
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• 2732[20:15:51] <shtrb> paxcoder , there are some FOSS tools for static analisys but I'm with the wrong side here (on Visual Studio)
• 2733[20:15:58] <precise_> Hey guys, I just upgraded from a fresh install of Jessie to Stretch. I'm running LVM on top of encryption. On every boot, shortly before prompting for my encryption key, I get the error "WARNING: ailed to connect to lvmetad. Falling back to device scanning." I enter my key and I'm still able to boot though. Anyone ever seen this?
• 2734[20:16:31] <tw> shtrb: VS static analyzer is clang-static iirc.
• 2735[20:16:47] <precise_> Also, since upgrading (and I think this is related) bootup times on this laptop have doubled.
• 2736[20:16:48] <shtrb> tw , [citation needed]
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• 2738[20:17:22] <shtrb> tw , clang is what I was about to suggest to him
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• 2740[20:17:56] <shtrb> clang is great , and VS static analisys is just too bad for being based on clang
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• 2744[20:18:47] <tw> Oh, my mistake, VS includes clang-static if you are using clang as the compiler, it also has VC++ Analyzer.
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• 2746[20:19:17] <shtrb> tw , I thought you are talking about the open source compiler (Visual Code) and not Visual Studio
• 2747[20:19:51] <shtrb> also the SAL and and analyzer are C (for c++ you have language guidelines)
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• 2749[20:20:38] <shtrb> and GSL was built for clang already (should work out of the box )
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• 2752[20:21:30] <Maid-Chan> does anyonne know why when using thunar on xming none of the icons appear?
• 2753[20:22:02] <tw> Maid-Chan: is your xming running without a root window?
• 2754[20:22:12] <tw> (not that this is on-topic for #debian)
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• 2756[20:22:25] <shtrb> tw , xming is offtopic ?
• 2757[20:22:28] <Maid-Chan> the root window is hidden
• 2758[20:22:33] <shtrb> or clang and GSL ?
• 2759[20:22:47] <tw> xming is windows.
• 2760[20:22:49] <Maid-Chan> seeemed on topic to me since i'm controlling my debian with xming. sorry
• 2761[20:23:13] <shtrb> Maid-Chan win10 ?
• 2762[20:23:14] <tw> Maid-Chan: It draws the icons to the root window. If you are hiding it, the surface is gone and it can't draw the icons.
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• 2764[20:24:31] <Maid-Chan> no change
• 2765[20:24:37] <Maid-Chan> yes win10
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• 2768[20:26:58] <precise_> Noob question: Fresh install of Debian Stretch, doesn't FireFox come by default? I'm seeing conflicting reports about this.
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• 2770[20:27:08] <precise_> I've got IceWeasle, but no FireFox.
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• 2773[20:27:39] <coruja> precise_, firefox-esr
• 2774[20:27:52] <precise_> coruja: That's in repo's but not installed by default?
• 2775[20:28:18] <kappa_> hi all, would you have a good tutorial for an ejbca install with the ocsp ?
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• 2778[20:28:27] <coruja> precise_, i guess that depends on which task you have installed
• 2779[20:28:45] <precise_> coruja: Which task? I don't understand.
• 2780[20:29:21] <coruja> you have been asked during installation which 'package groups' (e.g. desktop) you wanted to be installed
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• 2782[20:29:52] <precise_> coruja: Oh I see, different word for desktop environment.
• 2783[20:29:55] <coruja> these package groups are called tasks in debian
• 2784[20:30:22] <precise_> The default option, the Debian desktop environment is what I selected. Would Gnome, KDE, or others come with firefox, etc.?
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• 2787[20:30:45] <shtrb> wtf xming is no longer freely shiped ?!
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• 2790[20:31:08] <precise_> coruja: I understand now, thank you very much. :)
• 2791[20:31:19] <shtrb> Maid-Chan, was about to test on win10 but I can get the most recent version (needs username/pwd)
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• 2794[20:32:05] <jmcnaught> precise_: which ISO image did you use to install Debian 9? Iceweasel was rebranded back to Firefox before stretch was released
• 2795[20:32:16] <Maid-Chan> i got xming free
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• 2797[20:32:22] <shtrb> 7.7.0.21 ?
• 2798[20:32:38] <Maid-Chan> ohh 6.9
• 2799[20:32:38] <precise_> jmcnaught: So I actually did an in place upgrade from Jessie to Stretch
• 2800[20:32:52] <Maid-Chan> i just went to the forge if i recall.
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• 2804[20:33:40] <precise_> jmcnaught: you see, my current install broke (don't ask, IDK). So I only had a Jessie live USB and no computer to create a new one. So unless I took some extreme measures like making a new bootable USB at a friends house (lol friends), I had to install Jessie and do an in-place upgrade to get Stretch
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• 2807[20:34:27] <shtrb> Maid-Chan, the 2007 version ?
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• 2809[20:34:34] <jmcnaught> precise_: iceweasel was also rebranded to firefox on jessie. Maybe you installed without networking, and then did a partial upgrade from jessie to stretch?
• 2810[20:34:38] <Maid-Chan> looks like it.
• 2811[20:35:04] <teraflops> precise_: if you install barebones the dist-upgrate is pretty fast
• 2812[20:35:15] <precise_> jmcnaught: Maybe...? I installed Jessie at 1AM EST after the Mayweather v McGregor fight so... :P
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• 2814[20:35:38] <precise_> teraflops: The actual upgrade took a few hours, I'm on a 4th gen i7 w/ a SSD and 8GB RAM
• 2815[20:35:40] <teraflops> but if you install a full DE and then you dist upgrade it looks like a waste of time
• 2816[20:35:56] <teraflops> precise_: I dont get why you did it that way
• 2817[20:36:09] <precise_> Because I didn't know any other way
• 2818[20:36:11] <precise_> Hence I'm here
• 2819[20:36:12] <precise_> ;)
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• 2821[20:36:28] <jmcnaught> precise_: what does 'apt-cache policy iceweasel' say?
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• 2825[20:37:11] <coruja> precise_, update-alternatives --display x-replaced-url
• 2826[20:37:27] <jmcnaught> precise_: that package is transitional, and should simply depend on firefox-esr, which should also be installed
• 2827[20:37:33] <precise_> coruja: What does that do?
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• 2829[20:37:53] <precise_> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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• 2831[20:38:20] <coruja> precise_, that shows browsers which are managed by debian's alternatives system
• 2832[20:38:24] <precise_> jmcnaught: FYI I did just install firefox-esr
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• 2836[20:39:30] <jmcnaught> precise_: and it still shows up in your menu as iceweasel instead of firefox?
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• 2838[20:39:56] <precise_> coruja: replaced-url
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• 2841[20:40:40] <coruja> so only firefox-esr installed
• 2842[20:40:56] <precise_> jmcnaught: When I search in the activities pane for iceweasle it shows up, when I searched for firefox before I actually manually installed firefox, it wasn't there.
• 2843[20:41:22] <precise_> Now both iceweasle and firefox are there.
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• 2851[20:47:35] <jmcnaught> precise_: without knowing more it sounds likes a partial upgrade from jessie to stretch
• 2852[20:48:33] <precise_> jmcnaught: > cat /etc/issue shows Debian GNU/Linux 9
• 2853[20:48:41] <precise_> How else can I check?
• 2854[20:48:52] <precise_> All my repo's in /etc/apt/sources.list are stretch
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• 2857[20:49:48] <coruja> precise_, apt list --installed | grep deb8
• 2858[20:49:51] <jmcnaught> looking at the script transcript from your upgrade?
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• 2861[20:50:51] <precise_> jmcnaught: Pardon?
• 2862[20:51:08] <precise_> coruja: :/ replaced-url
• 2863[20:52:00] <coruja> so some jessie cruft left
• 2864[20:52:26] <coruja> did you 'upgrade' or 'dist-upgrade' actually?
• 2865[20:52:43] <precise_> update > upgrade > dist-upgrade
• 2866[20:52:46] <precise_> in that order
• 2867[20:52:56] <jmcnaught> precise_: from the release notes upgrade instructions: replaced-url
• 2868[20:53:23] <precise_> jmcnaught: I did not do that, no...
• 2869[20:53:24] <precise_> :/
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• 2873[20:54:22] <teraflops> precise_: I know it is too late, but next time you install debian for just doing dist-upgrade install minimal system
• 2874[20:54:39] <precise_> teraflops: noted lol
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• 2883[21:01:08] <netzach> tw: can I undelete it?
• 2884[21:01:15] <netzach> tw: is it possible instead of deleting it to just simulate a delete?
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• 2889[21:02:28] <tw> netzach: I think you can rescan the bus. I don't remember the command for that offhand.
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• 2892[21:03:22] <netzach> I see I will try that then
• 2893[21:03:30] <abrotman> dpkg: tell netzach about scsi rescan
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• 2903[21:10:04] <shtrb> Maid-Chan , no xming for me, tried the 2007 version and got a good old BSOD , sorry
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• 2906[21:10:48] <somiaj> shtrb: mobaxterm
• 2907[21:11:24] <gunix> did anybody here try debian on i7 caby lake 7820HQ or similar procs?
• 2908[21:11:25] <shtrb> somiaj , what ?
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• 2910[21:11:44] <shtrb> gunix I have i7 but slightly older than that
• 2911[21:11:54] <gunix> shtrb: yea, i know it's great on older hardware.
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• 2913[21:12:12] <gunix> i want to know if it's as great on very new hardware, cause the kernel is a bit old on deb...
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• 2915[21:12:24] <gunix> and i need a really stable distro on some new hardware
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• 2917[21:13:10] <shtrb> I have the 7500U , with debian
• 2918[21:13:57] <somiaj> shtrb: maybe I missed who you were takling to about xming, but mobaxterm is a very nice ssh client/X forwarder.
• 2919[21:14:24] <coruja> gunix, you can install more recent kernels from stable backports
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• 2921[21:14:33] <shtrb> somiaj , with Maid-Chan he had a specific issue with xming and debian , but I couldn't even run it (got BSOD)
• 2922[21:14:42] <gunix> coruja: i thought about that.
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• 2925[21:15:11] <Maid-Chan> if another xserver would work i'm open to recomendations. :P
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• 2927[21:15:15] <somiaj> gunix: the kernel isn't that old, stretch released with the 4.9 kernel and that suppots lots of hardware. Debian also provides newer kernels via backports if your hardware is supported on a newer kernel than 4.9
• 2928[21:15:17] <gunix> coruja: i am still confused about backports. how well do all the libraries go along with a new kernel, since everything is tested for 4.9.33
• 2929[21:15:49] <somiaj> Maid-Chan: I like mobaxterm over say putty + xming or some other tool. It will look like an ssh terminal, but you can launch gui apps from it once you are sshed into the server.
• 2930[21:16:31] <shtrb> somiaj , does it work on win10 ?
• 2931[21:16:31] <gunix> somiaj: debian is using the latest long term support kernel, which is 4.9. so it is using a very new kernel. however, this kernel reached already update 45, which has fixes for new hardware. debian is still on version 30...
• 2932[21:16:41] <somiaj> gunix: the backports are compiled against the libaries in stable, and for the kernel this isn't a big deal. Some hardware (like gpu's that need other things besides the kernel for opengl (such as mesa) ) may not be fully supported in the backport.
• 2933[21:16:43] <Maid-Chan> handy. do you know if thunar draws the icons? i almost get the impression that my client needs to have the icons installed which i don't think you can do on windows though.
• 2934[21:17:24] <somiaj> gunix: debian does update the 4.9 branch of the kernel, os if there is hardware support backported to it, it will make it into debian stable. But the updates only happen during point release or security issues.
• 2935[21:17:54] <gunix> somiaj: do you know when the next point release will be?
• 2936[21:17:56] <somiaj> Maid-Chan: I haven't used it that much and that really isn't on support here, but I find mobaxterm nicer than xming.
• 2937[21:18:18] <somiaj> gunix: no real time line, but they usually happen like 2-4 months or something.
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• 2939[21:18:42] <gunix> somiaj: so should i expect a new version in the next point release? closer to 4.9.40 ?
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• 2942[21:19:07] <somiaj> gunix: eventually, you can also keep an eye on stretch-prorposed-updates to see if one is there.
• 2943[21:19:12] <somiaj> ,kernels
• 2944[21:19:13] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.13.0-rc5-686 (4.13~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.12.0-1-686 (4.12.6-1); buster: 4.12.0-1-686 (4.12.6-1); stretch-backports: 4.11.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.11.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
• 2945[21:19:14] <judd> (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-2)
• 2946[21:19:34] <gunix> ahaha buster kernel is newer than sid
• 2947[21:19:55] <gunix> no wait its the same
• 2948[21:20:00] <somiaj> gunix: they are the same, you are reading that wrong. buster and sid are both at 4.12.6
• 2949[21:20:11] <gunix> ^ that
• 2950[21:20:46] <somiaj> 4.11 is in stretch backports, that didn't list stretch-prposed-updates, but debian does add changes to the stable 4.9 branch to the kernel over time, but while waiting for a point release, only security fixes.
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• 2955[21:24:30] <somiaj> gunix: I didn't see anything in stretch-proposed-updates, might just have to wait for the next point release.
• 2956[21:24:36] <somiaj> or use the backported kernel
• 2957[21:24:59] <gunix> somiaj: replaced-url
• 2958[21:25:08] <gunix> i will read this and see if i can pick any relevant info of it
• 2959[21:25:34] <gunix> the point of having debian is having a stable release that gets everything out of hardware and never crashes, and doesn't require frequent reboots and also provides stability
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• 2961[21:26:13] <somiaj> backport kernels work well in many cases and the kernel can be upgraded without cuasing that many stability issues with the rest of the system.
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• 2964[21:26:42] <somiaj> biggest draw back to the backported kernels is lack of security support, but if your hardware needs 4.10 or newer (kaby-lake I think requires that), you'll need to use the backported kernel on that hardware
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• 2972[21:29:24] <gunix> somiaj: i will read the patch notes on 4.9. maybe they patched it for kaby lake
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• 2976[21:30:13] <somiaj> I haven't seen gpu support backported like that in the past, mostly I see bug fixes and new network hardware in the stable kernel updates. Though they might.
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• 2989[21:35:05] <gunix> somiaj: the gpu on the laptop will be m1200m. that is so bad that i don't even need to think about it. i will shut it off from the start, no matter what distro i go for.
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• 2992[21:36:48] <gunix> regarding GPUs, my desktop has 970 gtx and it works incredbly well on debian, ubuntu and archlinux...deb and ubuntu are mostly the same (375)... ubuntu feels a lot like buster tbh. and deb feels a lot like ubuntu 16, just with stable packages, a bit more mature as a system and no strange ubuntu style stuff like unity. but anyway, both work great it the 970 and skylake proc
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• 2995[21:38:30] <_ssl> Hi, I'm trying to configure my fstab file, but I don't want to specify the filesystem type. mount doesn't need it, so how do I tell fstab to let mount guess it? I still want to be able to specify options though, thus I cannot just omit the rest of the line
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• 3005[21:43:52] <Quatroking> is it possible to downgrade from stretchy to jessie?
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• 3007[21:44:07] <n4dir> Quatroking: no.
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• 3011[21:44:18] <Quatroking> Well, crap.
• 3012[21:45:02] <Quatroking> Since upgrading my virtual debian server it has been frequently freezing up because according to esxi the OS disables the CPU
• 3013[21:45:11] <Quatroking> this has been happening since I upgraded a week ago
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• 3016[21:46:08] <n4dir> _ssl: the web says "auto"
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• 3019[21:48:34] <_ssl> n4dir I searched around a little before coming here, but couldn't find anything. I'll try that, thanks
• 3020[21:49:02] <Quatroking> I already asked about it on #vmware but that channel is as dead as a snail in a saltmine
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• 3024[21:51:42] <n4dir> _ssl: yeah, give it a try. I sure don't know. Here is the link, btw replaced-url
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• 3026[21:52:29] <_ssl> n4dir thank you
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• 3035[21:59:49] <bolt> can anyone recommend a method of detecting whether a virtual debian machine in a shared hosting center has its clock skipping ahead and experiencing short freezes of around 1 second? suspecting the host we've been given is overloaded
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• 3046[22:06:24] <GNU\colossus> bolt, maybe replaced-url
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• 3048[22:06:45] <GNU\colossus> also, you may want to look at "steal" CPU time
• 3049[22:06:58] <GNU\colossus> (in top(1) and friends)
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• 3052[22:07:24] <Quatroking> okay so I found the cause of my problem where the VM kills itself
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• 3054[22:07:41] <Quatroking> I just booted it up in a 3.* kernel instead of 4.* kernel and everything works fine and dandy
• 3055[22:08:03] <bolt> GNU\colossus: awesome. thanks
• 3056[22:08:06] <Quatroking> is it possible that during the upgrade it somehow did something wrong and the 4.* kernel I got is broken?
• 3057[22:08:22] <Quatroking> (I don't know the exact numbers)
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• 3061[22:09:24] <n4dir> Quatroking: if something goes south you usually get informed about it. I would say: no, rather not. You might try "apt-get check".
• 3062[22:09:49] <Quatroking> that's the thing, the VM freezes up so hard that it doesn't even log it
• 3063[22:10:12] <Quatroking> literally the only piece of info I have is the esxi event log where it tells me that the VM has shut down its CPU and requires a reboot
• 3064[22:11:00] <Quatroking> vmware has pretty much no info on this event available so I'm drawing straws here, though I did find some stuff on the internet blaming it on kernel panics
• 3065[22:11:31] <Quatroking> apt-get check doesn't show any errors
• 3066[22:12:05] <n4dir> like said: as far i can tell if something goes wrong you usually get the info (and usually means always).
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• 3068[22:13:27] <n4dir> so i doubt that is the source of your problem
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• 3070[22:15:23] <Quatroking> "perf: interrupt took too long (6498 > 6463), lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 30750" is the last thing to appear in /log/messages before freezing up
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• 3073[22:16:20] <Quatroking> same message shows up at other freezes too so I guess it's related, it's also repeated multiple times after each other
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• 3075[22:16:26] <Quatroking> I have no idea what the message means
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• 3079[22:17:49] <somiaj> gunix: on debian were you using nouveau or nvidia non-free driver?
• 3080[22:18:04] <gunix> somiaj: nvidia non-free
• 3081[22:18:10] <gunix> somiaj: worked well with steam games
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• 3090[22:21:22] <somiaj> gunix: I like debian because you can start with a minimial system and install/cofnigure the software you want to use and it just works.
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• 3092[22:21:44] <somiaj> gunix: I thought you were saying that debian felt like its gpu wasn't preforming as well compared to ubuntu, I just missread what yous aid.
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• 3097[22:23:07] <gunix> somiaj: no, the performance is just the same
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• 3103[22:29:11] <gunix> somiaj: the problems the 4.9 kernel had with kaby lake got fixed in february: replaced-url
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• 3106[22:30:31] <kryl> hi, how to get the actual version of an installed package please ?
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• 3111[22:33:01] <n4dir> kryl: in debian stable you will only get the version which is to be found in debian stable. You can have a look if a newer version is to be found in debian backports.
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• 3114[22:33:14] <n4dir> if you want a newer version than that, you will have to backport it yourself
• 3115[22:33:23] <kryl> n4dir, dpkg-query -l package
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• 3118[22:34:11] <n4dir> So your question was which version of the package is installed?
• 3119[22:34:30] <kryl> yes excuse my english
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• 3121[22:34:48] <n4dir> yeah, no problem.
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• 3123[22:34:53] <raktajino> kryl: apt-cache policy package
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• 3126[22:36:17] <kryl> raktajino, thank you ;)
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• 3132[22:38:33] <[itchyjunk]> hello, i have a liveCD bootable. on the laptop i am using it on, i cant see the wifi list :s
• 3133[22:38:40] <raktajino> Np and also your English is just fine
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• 3135[22:39:08] <[itchyjunk]> i went to the network settings and only see option for wired
• 3136[22:39:10] <n4dir> yeah, i guess the misunderstanding was on my side.
• 3137[22:39:57] <kryl> :-) that's fine thank you both of you
• 3138[22:40:13] <gunix> somiaj: replaced-url
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• 3157[22:54:09] <[itchyjunk]> im having a hard time figuring wifi out :s i ran a /sbin/iwconfig and got this replaced-url
• 3158[22:54:11] <[itchyjunk]> any ideas?
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• 3160[22:54:57] <towo`> prpably your live cd is missing the needed firmware for the wireless chipset
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• 3169[23:00:02] <[itchyjunk]> towo`: ahh
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• 3192[23:15:04] <Mahe> Hello! I replaced gdm3 with lxdm to boot up xfce. I also use plymouth to display a bootscreen ("splash" kernel parameter). After switching to lxdm, my system boots up to tty1 but lxdm starts on tty7, so I have to ctrl+alt+F7 after every bootup. Either disabling the plymouth splash or using another DM instead of lxdm fixes this. Any idea how to boot to tty7 directly with the plymouth splash + lxdm combination?
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• 3200[23:17:24] <Mahe> I tried forcing lxdm to use tty1 (as gdm3 does) but that did lead to the device locking up with a black screen after lxdm screen.
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• 3209[23:19:22] <D3stiny_> Hi_
• 3210[23:19:35] <D3stiny_> Anyone here?
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• 3212[23:19:45] <n4dir> !ask
• 3213[23:19:45] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 3222[23:25:00] <aaron> hey folks
• 3223[23:25:02] <aaron> whats up
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• 3225[23:25:13] <aaron> all debian boxes up and running
• 3226[23:25:21] *** aaron is now known as Guest36769
• 3227[23:25:44] <Guest36769> mine is offline right now, i have locked me out do to a stupid terminal emulator that closed everything and not just the cat session by pressing ctrl+d
• 3228[23:25:46] <Guest36769> how bad
• 3229[23:26:03] <Guest36769> o how should i call me now then?
• 3230[23:26:36] <Guest36769> lets see
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• 3233[23:27:03] <technicalaaron> thats bad, freenode is all about tech i asume
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• 3235[23:27:25] <NordicAaron> thats nice isnt it?
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• 3237[23:27:58] * NordicAaron blames himself for haven't upgraded to debian 9 yet, but still is to lazy for doing it...
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• 3242[23:30:28] <NordicAaron> locked out:
• 3243[23:30:30] <NordicAaron> <NordicAaron> have you ever accomplished such a problem?
• 3244[23:30:30] <NordicAaron> <NordicAaron> now i have to take again 100km of way to fix that
• 3245[23:30:30] <NordicAaron> <NordicAaron> so remember folks, just wait some time until you do a sshd restart...
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• 3250[23:33:26] <dngpph> hey! gnome DM won't start after reboot. startx gives error replaced-url
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• 3252[23:33:28] <heap_> hi, can i somehow get rid of the dirs if i run rsync ... and looking for changes only on file level not dir one
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• 3255[23:34:38] <n4dir> heap_: from the top of my head: --exclude or such.
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• 3257[23:35:18] <heap_> well not .. i mean rsync is tracking even changes on dirs... if timestamp or something of dir got changed... but i dont care about that; i care only to see new files if there are any
• 3258[23:35:50] <n4dir> can't say that i really understand the dir file thing. I for one wouldn't mind (if there are changes, rsycn them).
• 3259[23:36:13] <n4dir> i can't see how directories should get changed.
• 3260[23:36:20] <heap_> timestamp?
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• 3263[23:36:58] <n4dir> so, the dir will get synced. the files won't be, because they didn't change. What would it matter?
• 3264[23:37:08] <heap_> i need to compare something
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• 3266[23:37:12] <heap_> i dont want make a sync
• 3267[23:37:20] <heap_> i need to compare dir A agains B
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• 3269[23:37:40] <heap_> so need to get results while running rsync --dry-run .. .and then decide and maually merge.. if needed
• 3270[23:38:01] <heap_> but too many dirs.. so i need to get rid of them from the output .. if only timestamp on them got changed and no files...
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• 3277[23:41:16] <NordicAaron> dngpph, its not related to an x error but to an xsession error
• 3278[23:41:29] <NordicAaron> so your xorg logs will not show anything
• 3279[23:41:31] <NordicAaron> maybe post a
• 3280[23:41:33] <NordicAaron> ...
• 3281[23:41:55] <NordicAaron> tail -n 3000 ~/.xsession-errors
• 3282[23:41:59] <NordicAaron> or so and we can see
• 3283[23:42:07] <NordicAaron> or just run the program from console...
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• 3285[23:42:12] <n4dir> well heap_ : once i created directories their timestamp never changed for me. So i got no clue
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• 3289[23:42:42] <n4dir> not sure if "diff -r" might be of help
• 3290[23:42:44] <beingbrown> okay. i've tried this port forwarding thing, and have had no luck. here's what I'm trying to do
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• 3292[23:43:14] <NordicAaron> n4dir, directorys are files after all
• 3293[23:43:17] <n4dir> the channel of #rsync probably is silent, but might be worth a try
• 3294[23:43:31] <dngpph> replaced-url
• 3295[23:43:37] <beingbrown> I have a xen box running a guest--I'd like to be able to ssh directly into the guest from a remote machine, the same way that I ssh into the host. currently, i can successfully ssh into the guest from the host, so my process ssh into the host then ssh into the guest from there.
• 3296[23:43:45] <NordicAaron> so if you create a file in a directory, rename it or delete it youll edit the directory...
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• 3298[23:43:53] <NordicAaron> thats basic unix knowledge
• 3299[23:44:02] <NordicAaron> but wtf dont you want it to sync then
• 3300[23:44:14] <beingbrown> i've followed replaced-url
• 3301[23:44:16] <NordicAaron> i mean to less sync bad to much sync, whatever problems do you have?
• 3302[23:44:48] <beingbrown> I don't know if the hook is run, but libvirt logs do confirm it is being found.
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• 3305[23:46:43] <n4dir> I would assume that if a directory got changed (say timestamp), but no files changed, then rsync -u will rsync the new timestamp of the folder, but none of the files inside that folder (cause they didn't change).
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• 3307[23:47:39] <n4dir> if you rename a folder, then obviously the complete renamed folder will be rsynced.
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• 3311[23:48:38] <SeedEveryDay> QUESTION!
• 3312[23:48:46] <SeedEveryDay> Anyone here know of a tool to help manage multiple machines
• 3313[23:48:51] <SeedEveryDay> IE: keep their configs in line
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• 3316[23:49:48] <n4dir> SeedEveryDay: i heard of puppet now and then, but don't know it myself
• 3317[23:49:59] <beingbrown> SeedEveryDay: ansible is easy to pick up
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• 3319[23:50:11] <beingbrown> it's what I use.
• 3320[23:50:21] <NordicAaron> dngpph, you shouldnt do xsessions as root at all
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• 3322[23:50:38] <SeedEveryDay> ty n4dir beingbrown
• 3323[23:50:39] <beingbrown> doesn't rely on the target boxes having any client type software
• 3324[23:50:50] <SeedEveryDay> I'm also trying to figure out how to backup my configs
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• 3326[23:51:06] <NordicAaron> its much to dangerous, if you want to test something like this, create become root in bash or so, create a user, test what you want to test with it, delete it after you have got your intel
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• 3329[23:51:47] <n4dir> SeedEveryDay: i use rsync for such (rather: used).
• 3330[23:52:06] <NordicAaron> and if your xsession manager has a setting to dont allow root logins, switch it off if some moron has fiddled with it and leave it so
• 3331[23:52:13] <Epakai> SeedEveryDay: yadm (git based, has an alternates feature to enable different files for machines/classes of machines)
• 3332[23:52:59] <beingbrown> SeedEveryDay: i've recently started using etckeeper
• 3333[23:53:08] <dngpph> NordicAaron: but only as root is OK. I run as root just for test.
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• 3335[23:53:38] <NordicAaron> also dngpph if i remember right you had a problem with your work user and not the root user, so i guess the xsessions errors form the user where it is working cant help you to figgure out whats going wrong...
• 3336[23:53:58] <NordicAaron> dngpph, so you have tryed x normal users or just one??
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• 3338[23:54:57] <NordicAaron> dngpph, i would kindly suggest you to have a deep look into the debian handbook (apt-cache show debian-handbook
• 3339[23:54:58] <NordicAaron> ) and then youll probably be able to fix the problem yourself ;)
• 3340[23:55:45] <NordicAaron> WHY DOSE NOBODY READS HANDBOOKS THESE DAYS???
• 3341[23:55:52] <finlstrm> @SeedEveryDay a combo of git and ansible has been good for me
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• 3346[23:56:44] <FinalX> ...there's a handbook?
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• 3348[23:57:09] <SeedEveryDay> I'm trying to figure out how to maintain my server without loosing my mind :>
• 3349[23:57:17] <SeedEveryDay> So I'm setting up logrotate
• 3350[23:57:21] <SeedEveryDay> Hardening wordpress
• 3351[23:57:27] <SeedEveryDay> Setting up regular backups
• 3352[23:58:00] <FinalX> don't harden your wordpress, it'll be remotely maintained, no need for backups then either!
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• 3357[23:58:41] <SeedEveryDay> Wordpress is very hands on security wise
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