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• 22[00:18:57] <Spookled> i think it's GRUB_TERMINAL=console
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• 27[00:22:29] <YesMan_> Hello again
• 28[00:24:31] <YesMan_> My amazing Dell inspiron E1505/6400 needed an upgrade. The core2Duo T7400 is limited to 667MHz DDR2 memory, but the T7700 i just bought supports DDR2 800. DO any of you know if the board will support 800MHz DDR2?
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• 31[00:26:17] <MACscr> hmm, is there anyway to reinstall the crons for certbot without wiping my regular certbot configs? Seems like: apt-get install --reinstall certbot python-certbot-nginx, doesnt do anything with the cron jobs
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• 35[00:28:33] <mutante> MACscr: rsync /etc/letsencrypt somewhere else like to /root/ .. apt-get remove --purge certbot .. apt-get install certbot .. rsync files back over /etc/letsencrypt should work i guess
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• 37[00:29:24] <mutante> the --purge part should remove all the related config like crons .. i expect
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• 41[00:32:28] <abrotman> YesMan_: have you tried ##hardware ?
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• 47[00:34:37] <YesMan_> abrotman, I did post there, but I posted in here aswell because someone mentionned earlier having the exact same laptop model, you never know ^^'
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• 52[00:37:52] <MACscr> lol, why did you upgrade from junk to junk?
• 53[00:38:16] <MACscr> i mean, if its free (i still dont get it), but you paid for something with a core2duo?
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• 57[00:41:20] <YesMan_> I paid 3.5USD for the T7700. I don't like to throw away stuff and I needed something as a light server.
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• 59[00:42:36] <somiaj> 3.5? that seems low
• 60[00:42:43] <MACscr> lol, not at all
• 61[00:42:45] <somiaj> missing some digits there?
• 62[00:42:48] <YesMan_> That's ebay for you ^^
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• 65[00:42:52] <somiaj> haha, nice work
• 66[00:43:03] <somiaj> it probably cost more to ship
• 67[00:43:14] <YesMan_> I don't even understand how the shipping was free
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• 73[00:46:42] <YesMan_> By the way you can even upgrade the GPU on that laptop, sadly I couldn't find a part. I would fancy a 7300GT with 256MB of VRAM =D
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• 85[00:57:28] <Gigglebyte> Can someone tell me why my sudo command doesn't work? It returns as if there is a password error, but the password works fine if I elect to use the su command instead. I don't think anything is wrong with the keyboard, and can't figure this one out. Sudo is installed, and I am running Debian 10 Buster (stable).
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• 88[00:58:30] <Chex> Gigglebyte: sudo is for your current username password
• 89[00:58:39] <Chex> urk: su is for the root password
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• 91[00:58:42] <Chex> 2 different things
• 92[00:59:15] <Chex> sudo lets you run things as root, if your user is allowed, and you put in your user passwd
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• 94[01:00:59] <Gigglebyte> Chex> Correct. But I should be able to get in using sudo and I can't. I just get an eror message indicating that pdq is not in the sodoers file and will be reported.
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• 99[01:01:40] <Chex> Gigglebyte: yep, you need to add pdq to sudoers
• 100[01:01:42] <cinesc> You´re using the wrong root login command to become root
• 101[01:01:52] <Chex> or.. pdq to sudoers group
• 102[01:01:56] <Gigglebyte> Chex> how?
• 103[01:01:57] <Chex> sometimes that works
• 104[01:02:07] <cinesc> use su -
• 105[01:02:14] <cinesc> works for me
• 106[01:02:16] <Chex> google howto edit sudoers
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• 110[01:05:33] <Gigglebyte> Chex> I used the adduser pdq, and get an error message indicating pdq already exists.
• 111[01:06:18] <dvs> Gigglebyte, adduser pdq sudoers
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• 115[01:07:26] <Gigglebyte> dvs> Get error message that adduser is not found when entering the command "adduser pdq sudoers"
• 116[01:07:46] <dvs> Gigglebyte, as root?
• 117[01:08:08] <Gigglebyte> dvs> yes
• 118[01:08:51] <Gigglebyte> dvs> In Ubuntu sudoer is not added to the end of the command replaced-url
• 119[01:09:34] <dvs> Gigglebyte, that adds an entirely new user
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• 124[01:10:31] <RoyK> man usermod?
• 125[01:10:32] <dvs> Gigglebyte, the command in Step 2 should work.
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• 127[01:10:54] <RoyK> or vi /etc/groups :þ
• 128[01:11:03] <Gigglebyte> dvs> It doesn't. I am trying to make some sense out of Debian instructions found at the following url replaced-url
• 129[01:11:25] <RoyK> or vi /etc/group
• 130[01:11:41] <dvs> Gigglebyte, it's the same command in Step 3.
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• 139[01:21:48] <dvs> no feedback now that it works?
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• 158[01:33:12] <Gigglebyte> dvs> Can't get it to work replaced-url
• 159[01:34:05] <Gigglebyte> getent group sudo comes back empty.
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• 162[01:35:56] <dvs> Gigglebyte, what command did you use to become root?
• 163[01:36:21] <Gigglebyte> su
• 164[01:36:28] <Gigglebyte> dvs> And then password.
• 165[01:36:36] <dvs> Yeah, you should use "su -" instead
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• 168[01:40:20] <Gigglebyte> dvs> I can't figure this one out. Any ideas?
• 169[01:40:45] <dvs> Gigglebyte, Yes, change to root using "su -" and not just "su"
• 170[01:41:34] <Gigglebyte> dvs> Whats the significance of the - ?
• 171[01:42:28] <dvs> Gigglebyte, The "-" will use the PATH of root while without the "-" will not change the PATH. This was a recent change in buster.
• 172[01:43:07] <Gigglebyte> dvs> Glad you explained this because I have never seen this before.
• 173[01:44:02] <dvs> This is the way it should have been all along, according to some developers
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• 177[01:45:10] <LtL> Gigglebyte: it will also change your present working directing 'pwd' to /root/ be aware of that.
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• 181[01:46:10] <Gigglebyte> LtL> I still can't use the sudo command. however, I was able to get pdq created to the group, and this was verified by getent group sudo
• 182[01:46:51] <LtL> Gigglebyte: adduser pdq sudo
• 183[01:47:08] <dvs> LtL, That was done with usermod
• 184[01:47:16] <dvs> Gigglebyte, log out and back in again.
• 185[01:47:24] <dvs> don't just close the terminal
• 186[01:47:50] <LtL> Gigglebyte: logout/login for that to take effect. usermod takes effect immediately
• 187[01:48:14] <dvs> ???
• 188[01:48:22] <dvs> really?
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• 190[01:48:58] <LtL> dvs: i never use it but yeah, usermod happens right away.. i think.
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• 192[01:50:26] <LtL> Gigglebyte: type groups, is sudo in it? if not logout/login
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• 194[01:52:02] <Gigglebyte> LtL> Sudo is not in it, but it showed up when running the getent comand replaced-url
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• 196[01:52:23] <LtL> Gigglebyte: logout/login
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• 202[01:55:15] <dvs> <dvs> Gigglebyte, log out and back in again.
• 203[01:55:15] <dvs> <dvs> don't just close the terminal
• 204[01:55:39] <Gigglebyte> dvs> You mean "exit"?
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• 206[01:56:11] <dvs> Gigglebyte, that's closing the terminal. You need to get out of the GUI session and log back in again.
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• 211[01:59:00] <Gigglebyte> dvs> I did that and still can't get it to work.
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• 215[01:59:51] <dvs> Gigglebyte, Does "sudo" show up when you run the "id" command?
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• 218[02:00:44] <Gigglebyte> dvs> NO
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• 223[02:01:24] <dvs> Then the usermod command didnt work.
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• 226[02:02:27] <dvs> Actually, I'm not convinced that you logged out of the GUI session and logged back in again because your IRC session didn't end.
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• 228[02:02:37] <AaronXu> getting a "failure to read proxy" when attempting apt get update
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• 230[02:02:50] <AaronXu> i dont have any proxys
• 231[02:03:27] <Gigglebyte> dvs> I thought you were referring to the command line, and not the OS?
• 232[02:03:36] <Gigglebyte> I only closed the command line gui
• 233[02:04:08] <dvs> Gigglebyte, no that's the terminal. The GUI is the entire GUI session.
• 234[02:04:27] <dvs> You have to type your user ID and password to the GUI.
• 235[02:04:35] <LtL> Gigglebyte: didn't we go through all this days ago?
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• 237[02:05:19] <Gigglebyte> LtL> I don't recall. I don't think so...
• 238[02:06:08] <Gigglebyte> LtL> I'm going to log out and restart my machine.
• 239[02:06:10] <Gigglebyte> exit
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• 242[02:06:23] <LtL> Gigglebyte: if you used adduser, logout of your session completely you do not need a reboot
• 243[02:06:32] <LtL> bah
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• 245[02:06:44] <dvs> oh well
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• 262[02:11:52] <Gigglebyte> LtL> I rebooted my machine, and sudo is now in groups, and now working.
• 263[02:12:08] <Gigglebyte> I am still not totally clear on the su vs su -
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• 265[02:12:39] <dvs> Well, I gave the best explanation that I could
• 266[02:12:43] <daemoneye> Gigglebyte: the - loads in the various files as if you were to login as that user
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• 270[02:13:10] <daemoneye> At least that is how I understand it.
• 271[02:13:25] <LtL> Gigglebyte: su can be used in others way, like to become another system user, to become root the right wat requires su -
• 272[02:13:58] <Gigglebyte> I assume you meant to type way instead of wat?
• 273[02:14:46] <LtL> Gigglebyte: su - .. changes to root environment, simple. yes way, pardon the typos
• 274[02:15:08] <Gigglebyte> so what does su do that su - doesn't?
• 275[02:15:30] <cinesc> su requires a root password
• 276[02:15:39] <dvs> ...
• 277[02:16:10] <cinesc> su - is when you use your regular password to log in as root in a terminal
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• 279[02:16:31] <LtL> Gigglebyte: say if you want to become username 'foo' you could type 'su foo' type foo's passwd, cd and you are essentially now user foo
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• 281[02:17:04] <LtL> if foo exeists that is
• 282[02:17:15] <LtL> and has a login shell
• 283[02:17:31] <LtL> i can't type
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• 286[02:18:30] <LtL> Gigglebyte: type 'env' that tells you your current environment
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• 288[02:19:25] <Gigglebyte> LtL> ok, that helps clear up the cobwebs
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• 292[02:20:24] <LtL> Gigglebyte: su - has always existed in any linux, in buster its rather mandatory, but can be circumvented.
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• 294[02:20:50] <LtL> the latter not recommended
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• 300[02:24:11] <LtL> Gigglebyte: just don't forget 'su -' changes your current directory to root's home, being /root/ not to be confused with the file system root which is /
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• 302[02:24:46] <mutante> i wonder why isn't it /home/root anyways
• 303[02:24:50] <mutante> by default
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• 305[02:25:15] <LtL> because root isn't a real user per se
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• 307[02:25:21] <mutante> keep doing stuff like backup /home and then forgot root's files
• 308[02:25:26] <dvs> mutante, /home could be mounted on a different disk and if there is a problem with that disk, root couldn't be used to fix it.
• 309[02:25:39] <mutante> dvs: oh, that's a good reason indeed
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• 313[02:27:46] <LtL> dvs: excellent point.
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• 316[02:28:34] <Gigglebyte> It bootup I receive an error indicating "Failed to Raise Network Interfaces". Anyone know what that is all about? I looked it up, and didn't find much more than what is found at replaced-url
• 317[02:28:36] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 318[02:28:55] <Gigglebyte> judd> Is this a bug?
• 319[02:30:02] <mutante> Gigglebyte: judd is a bot. it just reacted to you mentioning the .. bug
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• 321[02:30:23] <kavaliro> just out of curiosity, when a new LTS kernel gets released (apparently the next one will be 5.4?) how long does it take to end up in stable?
• 322[02:30:29] <Gigglebyte> mutante> Is this something I can fix? Or is it a bug?
• 323[02:31:54] <mutante> Gigglebyte: i think first you'll have to find out more details.. like WHY is it failing to raise the network interfaces. try looking in output of "dmesg" maybe
• 324[02:32:03] <LtL> its a bug ※
• 325[02:32:41] <LtL> Gigglebyte: does it happen to you?
• 326[02:32:43] <mutante> well yea.. it's a bug since it's on bugs.debian.org. But the real question is if that's the same thing you run into here.
• 327[02:33:44] <mutante> see on that bug report it also says "But you should try to find out why ifupdown failed bringing up the
• 328[02:33:50] <mutante> network in the first place..." and what comes after that
• 329[02:33:56] <LtL> kavaliro: not sure but quite awhile, probaby a year or more. can't say
• 330[02:34:38] <mutante> also i would try manually running the same ifupdown command. does it work after boot ?
• 331[02:35:37] <Gigglebyte> This is what I get with dmesg replaced-url
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• 333[02:36:38] <kavaliro> LtL: cheers, looking at buying the GPD microPC, would love to run debian on it but the display is borked in all the current LTS kernels as it was only patched in 5.3
• 334[02:36:53] <mutante> Gigglebyte: "firmware: failed to load rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw "
• 335[02:37:02] <mutante> ^that's your main problem there.. driver issue
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• 340[02:38:49] <Gigglebyte> I have broadcom driver firmware running now. The question is what is now missing?
• 341[02:39:12] <Gigglebyte> Is that for the network card?
• 342[02:39:48] <dvs> Oh I ain't touching that.
• 343[02:39:51] <mutante> Gigglebyte: well..it's failing to use that firmware
• 344[02:40:00] <mutante> so probably not matching that hardware
• 345[02:40:01] <dka> How can I remove all files in directory ./B if they already exist in directory ./A ?
• 346[02:40:04] <Gigglebyte> Hmm. . . .
• 347[02:40:18] <LtL> Gigglebyte: rtl_nic is probably a realtek card, are you on wifi?
• 348[02:40:33] <Gigglebyte> LtL> I'm on wifi
• 349[02:40:38] <Gigglebyte> LtL> yes
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• 351[02:41:02] <mutante> Gigglebyte: i recommend next you Google the whole ""unable to load firmware patch rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw"
• 352[02:41:05] <LtL> Gigglebyte: the firmware is probably for the wired port
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• 355[02:44:16] <LtL> dka: rm -rf B more info would help
• 356[02:44:18] <Gigglebyte> is there any benefit in going into journalctl -xb ???
• 357[02:44:21] <mutante> dka: i would say with rsync like on replaced-url
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• 359[02:44:48] <mutante> see the answer at the bottom
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• 365[02:52:17] <Gigglebyte> Synaptic can't find firmware-realtek_20161130-5_all.deb
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• 374[03:02:25] <LtL> Gigglebyte: its in non-free, what debian release are you on?
• 375[03:02:39] <Gigglebyte> LtL> Buster
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• 377[03:03:29] <LtL> Gigglebyte: you shouldn't be able to run synaptic, it requires root
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• 381[03:04:12] <Gigglebyte> LtL> I have a line in my config file for non free replaced-url
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• 384[03:05:40] <dvs> Gigglebyte, you have two lines for the main buster repo: lines 2 and 9
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• 386[03:06:40] <Gigglebyte> dvs> Line 9 is for non free
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• 390[03:07:26] <Gigglebyte> dvs> But there seems to be two lines for 9, and 10 since both are the same tool, but downloaded differently.
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• 395[03:08:51] <LtL> !buster sources.list
• 396[03:08:51] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
• 397[03:09:00] <dvs> Gigglebyte, my mistake: line 9 is the for the non-free SOURCE deb files. line 10 is for the non-free buster UPDATES (i.e. not the main repo). So the non-free repo for buster is not enabled in that file.
• 398[03:09:12] <LtL> Gigglebyte: fix your sources.list
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• 400[03:09:42] <LtL> Gigglebyte: and add contrib non-free to all lines
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• 407[03:16:23] <LtL> Gigglebyte: why would you comment out security? among other mistakes ?
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• 415[03:21:50] <Gigglebyte> LtL> Would you mind drafting a sample config file in paste.debian.net? I get error messages indicating dups when trying to fix this mess.
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• 417[03:22:48] <LtL> Gigglebyte: are you going to edit the file properly or use synaptic?
• 418[03:23:12] <Gigglebyte> LtL> I am using vi/vim to edit the file.
• 419[03:23:30] <dvs> Gigglebyte, replaced-url
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• 421[03:24:11] <Gigglebyte> dvs> Is that the entire file? Or are you just supplementing what is missing?
• 422[03:24:31] <dvs> Gigglebyte, It doesn't have the deb-src lines but yes
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• 424[03:24:47] <Gigglebyte> dvs> An entire file? Yes?
• 425[03:24:51] <dvs> yes
• 426[03:25:05] <Gigglebyte> what is the difference between the deb-src lines? ARe they dupes?
• 427[03:25:33] <dvs> Gigglebyte, They are for getting the source files to compile deb packages.
• 428[03:25:57] <Gigglebyte> dvs> So they wouldn't be dupes if I added them?
• 429[03:26:20] <LtL> no
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• 431[03:26:43] <dvs> Gigglebyte, now but they should be the same as what's in the paste but start with "deb-src" instead of "deb"
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• 433[03:27:10] <Gigglebyte> dvs> So it would be a dup to put both?
• 434[03:27:14] <dvs> no
• 435[03:27:32] <Gigglebyte> dvs> ok. thanks for the clarification.
• 436[03:27:34] <LtL> Gigglebyte: run 'apt update && apt upgrade' when you're done.
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• 459[03:44:27] <Gigglebyte> I am now getting an error that the repository for security doesn't have a release file, and therefore has been disabled by default. How do i fix this? replaced-url
• 460[03:44:56] <dvs> udates?
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• 473[03:50:18] <LtL> Gigglebyte: rule, be careful what you type... you just might get it, or not ;)
• 474[03:50:54] <acidtripper> hi
• 475[03:51:04] <acidtripper> somebody using debian on dell latitude 5490?
• 476[03:51:15] <acidtripper> doesn't recognize a seagate expansion usb drive of 1tb
• 477[03:51:22] <acidtripper> neithed dmesg says anything...
• 478[03:51:28] <acidtripper> it works properly in other pc
• 479[03:51:31] <acidtripper> with same debian
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• 481[03:51:41] <Gigglebyte> LtL> Any idea why i am getting this error message?
• 482[03:51:42] <Gigglebyte> replaced-url
• 483[03:51:52] <crestfallen> hi I ran:
• 484[03:51:58] <crestfallen> $ df -h
• 485[03:52:03] <dvs> Gigglebyte, double check the security line in your sources.list
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• 490[03:52:48] <crestfallen> and recalled I have a debian 8.2 system on a thumbdrive:
• 491[03:52:55] <acidtripper> hahah Gigglebyte you wrode udates
• 492[03:53:02] <acidtripper> instead of updates.....
• 493[03:53:03] <acidtripper> :P
• 494[03:53:07] <acidtripper> wrote
• 495[03:53:14] <dvs> !prize acid tr
• 496[03:53:14] * dpkg gives acid tr a My Little Pony.
• 497[03:53:14] <Gigglebyte> acidtripper> Well my manual dexterity could be better. i fixed it.
• 498[03:53:50] <crestfallen> . /dev/sdb1 627M 627M 0 100% /media/john/Debian 8.2.0 amd64 1
• 499[03:53:57] <Gigglebyte> thanks for all your help.
• 500[03:54:23] <crestfallen> so is it better to burn a new buster os over that, or just install it and upgrade to buster?
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• 502[03:55:02] <dvs> crestfallen, the drive is full. There's no way you're going to be able to do an upgrade to it.
• 503[03:55:26] <crestfallen> but once its installed on a machine dvs ?
• 504[03:56:00] <crestfallen> I mean , reformat the thumbdrive and download a new buster after its been wiped
• 505[03:56:33] <crestfallen> or just install that old system (8.2) and just upgrade once on the machine
• 506[03:57:00] <dvs> crestfallen, reformat the drive. You won't be able to upgrade it
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• 509[03:57:37] <crestfallen> I mean upgrade once I have 8.2 on a computer, from the cli
• 510[03:58:01] <crestfallen> like $ sudo apt-get upgrade
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• 514[03:59:58] <crestfallen> dvs ^
• 515[04:00:06] <dvs> crestfallen, the entire OS is on the thunbdrive right?
• 516[04:00:11] <crestfallen> yeah
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• 518[04:00:51] <grisher> just download buster and chuck it on a usb stick
• 519[04:00:57] <dvs> crestfallen, then installing on a computer means installing on the thumbdrive but the thumbdrive is full so you won't be able to upgrade it.
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• 521[04:01:14] <dvs> you have to reformat it.
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• 523[04:01:25] <crestfallen> dvs no problem, you don't understand my question . thanks kindly for your help
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• 528[04:06:02] <dvs> oh well
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• 536[04:09:42] <grisher> dvs: they wanted to know if it's better to install an older ISO onto a system and dist-upgrade, or download a buster ISO and install that
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• 539[04:10:57] <dvs> grisher, oh, but that isn't even buster, it's jessie.
• 540[04:11:23] <grisher> yeah that''s the point
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• 542[04:11:41] <grisher> they wanted to know if it's better to install jessie and upgrade or install buster
• 543[04:11:41] <crestfallen> replaced-url
• 544[04:12:18] <grisher> should be fine
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• 546[04:12:25] <grisher> now just dd buster iso onro it
• 547[04:12:44] <grisher> onto
• 548[04:12:53] <dvs> crestfallen, sorry I misunderstood the question. Put the buster iSO on the thumbdrive.
• 549[04:13:07] <crestfallen> yeah thanks I've done it before with the dd command. thanks dvs and grisher
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• 553[04:13:47] <crestfallen> the dude said a 128GB drive took 3 hours to format so I was confused
• 554[04:13:57] <crestfallen> mine is 16GB
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• 558[04:14:58] <dvs> crestfallen, well, you don't have to format the drive if you're going to use the dd command.
• 559[04:15:37] <grisher> yeah
• 560[04:15:47] <grisher> dd will write a filesystem to the drive
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• 596[04:45:53] <crestfallen> grisher dvs here's what I did. does the /dev/sdb 64Z 64Z look right to you? replaced-url
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• 598[04:46:54] <crestfallen> I thought I copied the iso to the usb stick, but that looks funny
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• 602[04:48:02] <crestfallen> I reformatted, then pulled out the stick and reinserted it to remount
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• 607[04:51:09] <crestfallen> also looking at this line, but I think it was when I updated on the machine I'm on now:
• 608[04:51:29] <crestfallen> /dev/loop0p1 335M 335M 0 100% /media/john/Debian 10.1.0 amd64 n
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• 613[04:54:53] <crestfallen> hi anyone look at this and tell me if the OS write to the usb drive looks right? (/dev/sdb) replaced-url
• 614[04:55:28] <crestfallen> those dubious listings 64Z 64Z
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• 623[05:02:48] <crestfallen> so with the command \df it shows the 64Z is a huge number: 73786976294838196360 if anyone could look I'd appreciate it. is it a bug? replaced-url
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• 639[05:17:46] <grisher> crestfallen: does the ISO boot?
• 640[05:17:54] <grisher> crestfallen: does the USB stick boot?
• 641[05:17:55] <grisher> *
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• 643[05:19:28] <crestfallen> grisher how do I test it?
• 644[05:20:01] <grisher> try and boot from it
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• 647[05:20:44] <crestfallen> please explain the commands
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• 649[05:21:17] <crestfallen> its mounted in /media/john/DEBIANJOHN
• 650[05:21:37] <grisher> restart your pc
• 651[05:21:41] <grisher> and boot from the usb stick
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• 654[05:22:24] <crestfallen> like control <something> ?
• 655[05:22:48] <crestfallen> on command key? I've done it before when there's a partition
• 656[05:22:54] <Gigglebyte> My update ended up being a disaster after fixing the config file. I lost my desktop icons and start menu. How do I bring the start menu back? I am writing you from my Android cell phone.
• 657[05:22:58] <grisher> wat
• 658[05:23:13] <Gigglebyte> I'm on Buster.
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• 660[05:23:17] <grisher> dude, just restart your PC, go into the bios, make it boot off usb
• 661[05:23:24] <grisher> and see if the installer runs
• 662[05:23:37] <crestfallen> yeah sorry how to get into bios I forget
• 663[05:23:51] <grisher> no idea, i don't know what kind of pc you're using
• 664[05:23:56] <grisher> usually it's delete
• 665[05:24:03] <Gigglebyte> I think it is F12 or F2
• 666[05:24:04] <grisher> sometimes it's f2 or f12
• 667[05:24:32] <grisher> on thinkpads you press the blue thinkvantage button
• 668[05:24:41] <Gigglebyte> I'm using an older Dell Vostro
• 669[05:24:49] <crestfallen> it's a dell tower pretty basic
• 670[05:25:05] <Gigglebyte> I'm on a laptop.
• 671[05:25:14] <grisher> well try one of 'em
• 672[05:25:25] <crestfallen> ok signing off thanks. more drama later
• 673[05:25:32] <grisher> no worries
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• 682[05:31:20] <crestfallen> I went into bios and tried to boot from usb devices or somesuch. then hit save and exit. that's not how you do it I guess
• 683[05:32:05] <crestfallen> because it just restarted and I got my regular gnome desktop
• 684[05:33:07] <crestfallen> grisher its not super clear once you go to boot, which one is the desired usb
• 685[05:33:19] <crestfallen> once you go to the boot tab
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• 689[05:34:50] <crestfallen> I'm going to try it again...
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• 697[05:43:22] <Gigglebyte> I'm getting an error indicating my boot stick is not bootable, but I installed the current is on my laptop from this usb.
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• 702[05:45:34] <crestfallen> grisher thanks kindly I think I have a fresh install on the usb. I went in and booted and got to the install setup page
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• 813[07:32:50] <valdyn> if its your 2nd display, use xrandr or the gui grandr
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• 817[07:35:09] <valdyn> if its your only display the just reboot with the monitor plugged in - the firmware would take care of that, not debian.
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• 835[07:58:33] <Lope> ratrace, got https working, bud
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• 838[07:58:57] <Posterdati> hi
• 839[07:59:56] <Posterdati> please help, I have a problem with pulseaudio + snd intel hda + buster: I've got only dummy output, if I remove pulseaudio then audio works! Thanks for help.
• 840[08:01:58] <diogenes_> Posterdati, i'd recommend to duplicate your question on /j #pulseaudio
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• 842[08:04:19] <Posterdati> diogenes_: ok
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• 853[08:24:08] <Posterdati> I suspect pulseaudio to be in category "crap software" that do not work...
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• 873[08:36:47] <jelly> Posterdati: is timidity and/or timidity-daemon installed?
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• 877[08:37:32] <Posterdati> jelly: no
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• 886[08:39:03] <Posterdati> jelly: sorry, it is: timidity and timidity-daemon
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• 888[08:40:21] <jelly> Posterdati: stop and mask the timidity.service, log off, log back on, and see if sound works (with pulseaudio)
• 889[08:41:30] <jelly> people have reported it takes over the audio card before PA has a chance to do it
• 890[08:41:54] <Posterdati> ok, logging out and in
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• 892[08:44:14] <Posterdati> jelly: seems to have a built-in audio now!
• 893[08:44:23] <Lope> jelly, is there any reason to not include a bunch of useful utilities in my initramfs, such as dig, netcat mdadm, fdisk etc?
• 894[08:44:53] <Lope> everyone seems to freak out about having anything that's not absolute bare minimum in the initramfs
• 895[08:44:54] <Posterdati> jelly it works! Thanks
• 896[08:45:18] <Posterdati> jelly: I did systemctl stop timidity.service
• 897[08:45:24] <Posterdati> jelly: I did systemctl disable timidity.service
• 898[08:45:25] <jelly> Lope: initramfs has a single function: set up things to mount and pass control to real OS
• 899[08:45:33] <Posterdati> jelly: is it suffice?
• 900[08:45:34] <Lope> but the way I see it, recently I messed up my fstab and the system was unbootable. Luckily I had the necessary stuff to mount and alter my fstab. So I see the initramfs as a nice rescue system.
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• 902[08:45:48] <jelly> Posterdati: "systemctl mask timidity.service" will be safer.
• 903[08:46:03] <Lope> jelly, i used the initramfs as a repair thingy though and I'm very glad I was able to.
• 904[08:46:16] <Posterdati> jelly: ok
• 905[08:46:24] <Lope> without it I'd have to use the data-center's shitty repair thing.
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• 907[08:46:44] <jelly> Lope: if you want a rescue system, set up a separate rescue system, you can eg. boot a grml iso from grub.
• 908[08:46:44] <Lope> and I've got no idea about the security and privacy of said repair thing.
• 909[08:46:52] <Posterdati> jelly: Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/timidity.service → /dev/null.
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• 911[08:46:58] <Lope> jelly, grml?
• 912[08:46:59] <jelly> Posterdati: yep
• 913[08:47:05] <Posterdati> jelly: thanks again
• 914[08:47:08] <Lope> jelly, what's wrong with having mdadm and fdisk in my initramfs?
• 915[08:47:21] <Lope> is there any practical problem with having it?
• 916[08:47:41] <Lope> or is it just a religious ineffable thing?
• 917[08:47:50] <Posterdati> jelly: the funny thing is that I have the same config on another laptop and it works, but I will disable timidity on it too
• 918[08:47:58] <jelly> Lope: apart from the brittleness of the setup?
• 919[08:48:15] <Lope> what's brittle about including mdadm in the initramfs?
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• 921[08:48:29] <jelly> Lope: how much time did you spend to set it up to work?
• 922[08:48:42] <jelly> Lope: and how many iterations?
• 923[08:48:48] <jelly> that's what's brittle
• 924[08:48:51] <Lope> jelly, I've not tested mdadm or fdisk yet, not added them yet.
• 925[08:49:14] <Lope> jelly, but getting CA certs etc working was quite a process of trial and error.
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• 927[08:49:30] <Lope> but that's understandable cos it's complex and it was my first experience with initramfs-tools.
• 928[08:49:37] <Lope> So I'm not concerned about that.
• 929[08:50:06] <jelly> then you already have an idea about added complexity.
• 930[08:50:10] <Lope> the way I see it, having the basic tools I might need to repair the system in the initramfs will result in less down time.
• 931[08:50:34] <Lope> because my initramfs always runs before the system boots.
• 932[08:50:51] <Lope> so if there's ever an issue I can get in there immediately and fix stuff.
• 933[08:50:55] <jelly> eh. There are better tools for that.
• 934[08:51:22] <jelly> ,i grml-rescueboot
• 935[08:51:23] <judd> Package grml-rescueboot (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Integrates Grml ISO booting into GRUB. Version: 0.5.0; Size: 9.1k; Installed: 39k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 937[08:52:14] <jelly> Lope: make sure you have enough space on /boot for at least 3-4 kernel+initramfs sets
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• 953[08:56:16] <Lope> my /boot is 368M and has 74M used, so seems fine.
• 954[08:56:32] <Lope> thanks
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• 973[09:10:22] <Lope> when I try to run nano inside initramfs it complains about the terminal. I've tried setting TERM. Any ideas?
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• 1006[09:29:48] <annadane> not that this is too much of a question i suppose but i wonder what makes MATE seemingly refresh every so often, the panels go away and come back a second later even while relatively idle, it's not a big deal, it doesn't fully crash or anything
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• 1010[09:32:03] <Latr_work> I went bullseye to resolve the libc6 sid mess in Buster
• 1011[09:32:33] <annadane> Latr_work, i just got here so maybe i missed some context but combining sid with buster is practically guaranteed to break
• 1012[09:32:38] <Latr_work> everything is perfectly aligned now and I don't mind using testing
• 1013[09:32:52] <Latr_work> annadane: that is true
• 1014[09:33:32] <Latr_work> Learned at my own expense. Although my system was still stable
• 1015[09:33:51] <annadane> especially libc6
• 1016[09:33:57] <Latr_work> just I couldn't downgrade libc6 without bringing down the entire system, and that would bring back the issue I had before
• 1017[09:34:19] <Latr_work> and I needed mesa 19.X. so I upgraded to bullseye
• 1018[09:34:26] <Latr_work> and now all works well
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• 1021[09:37:57] <annadane> well, far be it from me to lecture
• 1022[09:38:29] <Latr_work> what do you mean exactly?
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• 1026[09:39:21] <annadane> oh nothing i'm just usually in tier 1 help desk support mode where i inform users that making a frankendebian isn't a good idea
• 1027[09:39:28] <annadane> but a lot of users know what they're doing
• 1028[09:39:48] <annadane> if you're on testing now then it kind of defeats my argument
• 1029[09:41:38] <Latr_work> oh I got it. I used debian on servers for many years and I never had to mess around with anything other than stable
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• 1032[09:42:14] <Latr_work> I guess I could have re-installed and backported mesa from sid into stable
• 1033[09:42:33] <Latr_work> but I really didn't want to go the format route, and I am not that bother to use testing
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• 1035[09:42:39] <Latr_work> I come from gentoo anyways
• 1036[09:42:54] <Latr_work> and I am used to frankecrap in general lol
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• 1038[09:44:02] <Latr_work> annadane: but I agree with you. If one wants to rely on support from here should probably stick stable
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• 1042[09:46:49] <annadane> Latr_work, you are aware there's backports, right? mesa might be backported
• 1043[09:46:54] <annadane> backports.debian.org
• 1044[09:46:58] <Latr_work> it isnt there
• 1045[09:47:07] <Latr_work> not 19.X, yet
• 1046[09:47:17] <annadane> okay yeah it's not
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• 1048[09:47:24] <annadane> i'm being lazy, sorry
• 1049[09:47:31] <Latr_work> no worries
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• 1059[09:52:00] <annadane> i could run sid on a dual boot but i have no need, i need things to work
• 1060[09:52:03] <annadane> so stable it is
• 1061[09:52:10] <annadane> next to no effort to look after
• 1062[09:52:19] <annadane> very comfy
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• 1066[09:54:11] <rakor_> Interesting... Running debian stable I use some software as flatpak. Now flatpak tells me when trying an update: Warning: org.freedesktop.Platform.openh264 needs a later flatpak version
• 1067[09:54:11] <rakor_> Will there be an upgrade of flatpak or is flatpak in near future no way to get current version on stable?
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• 1071[09:55:26] <annadane> oof. i don't know. try asking the maintainers?
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• 1165[10:37:52] <paul424> HEllo, why my firefox browser doesn't store history anymore ?
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• 1175[10:44:26] <diogenes_> paul424, because you set it that way?
• 1176[10:45:19] <Lope> is there a way to make bash my default initramfs shell?
• 1177[10:45:32] <Lope> I've hooked bash into the initramfs and it works.
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• 1179[10:47:16] <Lope> hmm, i see the initramfs has an /etc/passwd
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• 1183[10:48:27] <paul424> diogenes_, no , I have checked the preferences
• 1184[10:49:13] <Lope> for whatever reason, when I change root's shell in /etc/passwd to /usr/bin/bash I can't login.
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• 1186[10:49:31] <Lope> but then after I login I can run /usr/bin/bash and it works.
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• 1188[10:49:50] <diogenes_> paul424, try rename .mozilla and re-start the browser.
• 1189[10:49:52] <ayekat> Lope: what's in /etc/shells
• 1190[10:50:20] <Lope> ayekat, it doesn't exist in the iniramfs
• 1191[10:50:45] <Lope> cool, will try set that up :) thanks
• 1192[10:50:49] <ayekat> oh, in the initramfs... not sure whether it matters there
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• 1194[10:50:50] <gidna> HEllo
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• 1196[10:51:02] <paul424> diogenes_, ok it works , thanks a lot brto
• 1197[10:51:05] <paul424> bro :)
• 1198[10:51:05] <gidna> Is it possible to a have french and Cyrillic keyboard ?
• 1199[10:51:20] <diogenes_> np
• 1200[10:51:46] <Lope> great! it works now thanks ayekat. YOU DA MAN!
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• 1227[11:04:06] <wasamasa> gidna: I don't see why not, I'm currently using X with us/russian and have a special key combination to toggle
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• 1229[11:05:01] <gidna> wasamasa, cool! How did you activate that?
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• 1232[11:05:24] <wasamasa> I've entered it in the X settings, for quick modifications you can enable it with the setxkbmap command
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• 1236[11:06:28] <wasamasa> layout is us,ru, variant is ,phonetic (because I like the more intuitive russian layout) and options contain grp:shifts_toggle to toggle between both by pressing both shift keys at the same time
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• 1239[11:08:30] <gidna> and then how do you switch between the 2?
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• 1241[11:08:49] <wasamasa> I press both shift keys at the same time
• 1242[11:08:59] <wasamasa> your DE could offer a dedicated key for that though
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• 1249[11:10:25] <wasamasa> so try something like `setxkbmap -layout fr,ru -variant dvorak,phonetic -option grp:shifts_toggle`
• 1250[11:10:32] <wasamasa> or leave out variant if you don't need that
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• 1254[11:12:06] <gidna> setxkbmap -layout it,ru -variant dvorak,phonetic -option grp:shifts_toggle
• 1255[11:12:23] <gidna> Error loading new keyboard description
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• 1261[11:17:29] <wasamasa> no dvorak for italian
• 1262[11:17:32] <gidna> it is a mess now
• 1263[11:17:45] <wasamasa> if you replace that with just `-variant ,phonetic`, it works
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• 1266[11:18:11] <gidna> ok luckly it restored everything..
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• 1268[11:18:37] <gidna> but How can I use the cyrillic characters?
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• 1271[11:19:26] <wasamasa> you switch layouts by pressing both shift keys at the same time
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• 1276[11:21:05] <yareckonirc> hello my dears.... have installed vanilla buster on a raspberry pi 3, and am having trouble getting firmware packages to install
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• 1278[11:21:43] <yareckonirc> I used the UEFI install method, which seems to place firmware under /boot/efi/firmware, but debian expects to install everything under /boot/firmware
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• 1280[11:22:34] <yareckonirc> so trying to install raspi3-firmware complains with "missing /boot/firmware, did you forget to mount it?"
• 1281[11:22:58] <yareckonirc> should I just try to symlink my way out of this, or is there a UEFI way to solve this?
• 1282[11:23:03] <gidna> wasamasa, ok it worked but I had problem getting back to latin
• 1283[11:23:20] <wasamasa> such is the nature of changing your keyboard layout
• 1284[11:23:46] <gidna> what do You mean?
• 1285[11:23:58] <wasamasa> pressing both shift keys at the same time should work on any keyboard layout
• 1286[11:24:25] <gidna> it worked but when I tried to switch back it didn't work..
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• 1288[11:25:12] <ratrace> Lope: what was the fix since last time we spoke (haveged failing to run)?
• 1289[11:25:18] <dob1> hi, I don't remember the alternative to encfs
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• 1292[11:26:09] <dob1> that I can still run in userspace
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• 1294[11:27:45] <ratrace> dob1: ecryptfs?
• 1295[11:28:21] <dob1> ratrace, I remember cryptfs in the name
• 1296[11:28:47] <ratrace> dob1: yes, ecryptfs
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• 1298[11:30:42] <dob1> gocryptfs ?
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• 1300[11:33:49] <ratrace> dob1: you do realize that "ecryptfs" is a thing, right? sounds like you're ignoring or not seeing that i'm telling you there's ecrypts as alternative to encfs
• 1301[11:35:24] <dob1> ratrace, I know and fter you told me about it I searched for it and I found some blog entries where peopale compare encfs/ecrypfs and this one, gcryptfs, as another option. I was just mentioning another option
• 1302[11:35:46] <ratrace> dob1: ah k.
• 1303[11:35:47] <dob1> well bad english, sorry :9
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• 1324[11:51:30] <yareckonirc> hey, I still have update-initramfs failing to regenerate the image based on problems with a package that I have since removed. How do I make it actuall forget that package?
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• 1328[11:52:30] <Lope> ratrace, installed a v5 kernel and removed haveged from the initramfs, no problems :)
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• 1331[11:55:29] <ratrace> Lope: ic
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• 1348[12:05:30] <egonsen> there is a debian maintainer's linux "distribution" which has a package manager using a fuse filesystem. i read about it a short time ago. what is this distro called?
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• 1353[12:09:44] <ratrace> egonsen: this? replaced-url
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• 1356[12:10:04] <egonsen> right, distri. thanks!
• 1357[12:10:08] <ratrace> sounds like a teribad idea... also that name... good luck googling for "linux distri" :)
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• 1362[12:11:26] <wasamasa> alpine's apk package manager is another fast option
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• 1365[12:12:49] <wasamasa> it's popular in docker stuff for a reason
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• 1368[12:13:43] <ratrace> it's tiny and simplified base for building upon
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• 1370[12:14:02] <Ede|Popede> ratrace: works with '"distri" software', while it doesn't with 'distri software' (at least in german distri is a pretty normal variant for distro)
• 1371[12:14:41] <ubuking> hey
• 1372[12:14:43] <Ede|Popede> and since he is from .ch, a name ending int -i is kind of a natural choice :)
• 1373[12:14:44] <ubuking> PLEASSE HELP!!!!!!!
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• 1375[12:14:49] <ratrace> wasamasa: also, they port(ed) grsec/pax stuffs even after grsec went evil... duno what happened since and if they could keep on forward porting it.
• 1376[12:14:51] <Ede|Popede> hey ubuking
• 1377[12:15:16] <wasamasa> ratrace: true, it's a cool project for many reasons
• 1378[12:15:31] <ratrace> ya
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• 1381[12:15:45] <ratrace> ubuking: PLEASE STATE YOUR PROBLEM !!!!!!!!
• 1382[12:15:55] <ratrace> TORGUE TORGUE TORGUE TORGUE!!!
• 1383[12:18:12] <ratrace> Ede|Popede: sounds like faux latin pluralization :)
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• 1385[12:18:38] <egonsen> can i make apt ask for confirmation after showing the files to be installed when using "apt install"?
• 1386[12:18:59] <ubuking> i have a DESKTOP pc
• 1387[12:19:07] <ubuking> can i isntall debian there  ??or too oldd ??? :D
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• 1389[12:20:03] <ratrace> egonsen: it does if there's more than one package to install. if there's just one, it doesn't. dunno if that can be forced, but you can always use -s to see what would be installed
• 1390[12:20:17] <wasamasa> ubuking: you're not even telling us what CPU it has
• 1391[12:20:24] <wasamasa> ubuking: or how old it is
• 1392[12:20:31] <ratrace> ubuking: let me get my crystall ball and find out how old your DESKTOP pc is.... or you can tell us how old it is yourself?
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• 1394[12:21:12] <ratrace> !magic 8-ball
• 1395[12:21:12] <dpkg> Most likely.
• 1396[12:21:22] <ratrace> yup, most likely too old.
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• 1399[12:22:35] <yno> hi, i'm having trouble linking C libraries for a while, a simple program using sqrt compiled with gcc -lm foo.c will get me an undefined reference to sqrt
• 1400[12:22:47] <Ede|Popede> ratrace: no, it's their diminutive. may be one of -chen, -lein, -i, -le, -erl, -l, -ei in german. witz a pretty nice collection even for only the southern regions > replaced-url
• 1401[12:22:56] <yno> i'm guessing i screwed my packages at some point but cannot figure out how
• 1402[12:23:17] <ratrace> Ede|Popede: oooh, I see now
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• 1410[12:27:38] <yno> one day (few months back) i ran # apt update and it said something about going from sid to stretch, like it "fixed" my debian version somehow
• 1411[12:27:51] <yno> not sure what happened but everything started to look strange from there
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• 1413[12:29:42] <babilen> That sounds as if you added "sid" or "unstable" to your sources.list in the past, installed some packages from there, but have reverted that sources.list change since
• 1414[12:29:51] <babilen> !show sources.list
• 1415[12:29:51] <dpkg> Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
• 1416[12:29:58] <babilen> !not available
• 1417[12:29:58] <dpkg> To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
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• 1425[12:32:33] <yno> babilen: replaced-url
• 1426[12:32:48] <yno> mh
• 1427[12:33:10] <yno> sources.list.d is empty
• 1428[12:33:19] <yno> and your apt regex doesnt work
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• 1431[12:34:14] <babilen> So, you're running testing :)
• 1432[12:34:35] <yno> that would be what i installed a few months back, glad to hear it :D
• 1433[12:35:22] <yno> although i dont know if it has anything to do with it, my original problem being linking simple C libraries
• 1434[12:35:47] <yno> even the standard library doesnt provide what it should, despite the linker acknoledging it's existence
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• 1436[12:35:55] <babilen> We support testing and unstable in #debian-next. My recommendation would be to upgrade all packages (frequently!), to install apt-listbugs and to add unstable to your sources.list while configuring the system to use testing as default release
• 1437[12:35:59] <babilen> !tum
• 1438[12:35:59] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution.
• 1439[12:36:17] <yno> ok will keep looking, thanks
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• 1443[12:37:07] <wxb> Quick question: installed Debian 10 XFCE on an HP laptop. There is a wifi card: Broadcom which is super spotty - I'll be getting a dongle to deal with that, but in the maintime - sometimes on firefix-esr web pages will open up with a secruity warning about it not being safe or something. Is this connected to the Broadcom issue? Or is a real issue?
• 1444[12:37:32] <babilen> It might very well be due to some version mismatch, which is why I recommend to ensure that the system is completely up-to-date. Adding in unstable allows apt to pull in packages from there if they are required, but have been removed from testing
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• 1446[12:38:34] <wxb> I'm trying to get the exact error message in firefox again, but I've closed the page...
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• 1448[12:39:28] <ratrace> wxb: probably not related to the wifi at all. at wifi levels, issues would result with sites failing to load, or the https 4-way handshake failing, not with "insecure" (certification) issues, assuming that's what you're getting
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• 1451[12:42:54] <wxb> ratrace, The site does fail to load, but I did get it connecting wiki.debian.org, but not replaced-url
• 1452[12:43:16] <wxb> I'll try to get the error message again. But thanks for the insight.
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• 1456[12:49:56] <humpled> that's a warning about the ssl certificate
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• 1463[12:54:03] <humpled> sometimes caused by the wrong date on your computer
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• 1471[12:58:48] <wxb> humpled, Okay. Cool. Thanks! gtg
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• 1536[13:47:41] <spal> Which vim package can I install to get Python scripting support? I am using a plugin called Slimv that is written in VimScript and Python. Right now, `update-alternatives --list vim` shows `/usr/bin/vim.basic` and `vim --version` shows `-python -python3`.
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• 1560[14:01:49] <mohnish> Hello everyone! I have newely installed debian 10 buster
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• 1562[14:02:28] <JPT> Welcome to the world of Debian. :)
• 1563[14:02:39] <mohnish> I wanna connect to wifi, but the output "ip link show" does not show my wifi interface
• 1564[14:02:53] <mohnish> JPT, thanks, happy to be here
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• 1566[14:03:28] <mohnish> I have a wifi card installed
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• 1568[14:04:03] <greycat> If it's not USB, find the chipset details in "lspci -nn", and look for relevant messages in "dmesg". Especially firmware, in "dmesg | grep -i firmware".
• 1569[14:04:46] <mohnish> greycat, it's a usb wifi adapter
• 1570[14:04:51] <mohnish> :/
• 1571[14:05:00] <annadane> spal, this maybe doesn't answer you but neovim uses python instead of vim which uses vimscript, i believe
• 1572[14:05:05] <annadane> neovim also comes with a few other improvements
• 1573[14:05:14] <JPT> Perhaps replaced-url
• 1574[14:05:28] <greycat> So it's not a "card installed". In that case, the details would be in "lsusb", but you still want to look for relevant messages in dmesg or elsewhere.
• 1575[14:05:29] <spal> annadane: Thanks for the suggestion.
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• 1579[14:06:30] <mohnish> JPT, okay thanks
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• 1584[14:07:35] <ratrace> mohnish: and lsusb and dmesg as greycat additionally suggested
• 1585[14:08:06] <mohnish> ratrace, yeah but it's strange, lsusb and lspci don't seem to work
• 1586[14:08:14] <mohnish> it says command not found
• 1587[14:08:15] <spal> By the way, I found the packages that provide Python support in Vim. The command I had to use was: apt-cache showpkg vim-python3. It shows that the following packages provide vim-python3: vim-nox vim-gtk3 vim-gtk vim-athena python3-neovim.
• 1588[14:08:18] <mohnish> really strange
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• 1593[14:09:03] <MonRa> Hi, I installed windows on a second hard disk and it overrided my boot order, I still have the main hard disk with Debian on it, right now I have a working live usb with debian on it, how do I make it so that I can chose which system to run (debian or arc) on a prompt at boot time?
• 1594[14:09:10] <ratrace> mohnish: they're in pciutils and usbutils packages
• 1595[14:09:17] <greycat> lspci is in pciutils which is "priority standard", so it *should* be there unless you did a sub-Standard installation
• 1596[14:09:33] <ratrace> S7 e
• 1597[14:09:35] <ratrace> oops
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• 1600[14:10:26] <greycat> usbutils is "priority optional" so is less likely to be present; you can install it though.
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• 1603[14:11:40] <mohnish> oh okay
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• 1636[14:27:28] <ruffni> noob question: how do i resolve my
• 1637[14:27:52] <ruffni> "unmet dependencies" gnustep-base-runtime (where a lesser than expected version is to be installed)?
• 1638[14:28:07] <annadane> !bat
• 1639[14:28:08] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 1640[14:28:11] <annadane> ruffni, ^
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• 1645[14:28:48] <annadane> i assume this is for debian stable; for testing/sid go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 1647[14:30:04] <greycat> Most likely the problem is that they *think* they're running stable, but they've contaminated it...
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• 1654[14:32:57] <tarzeau> ruffni: you want GNUstep?
• 1655[14:34:48] <ruffni> i'm not sure why it's there and am not easily able to identify what depends on it. the full logs: replaced-url
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• 1657[14:35:33] <greycat> ,v gnustep-base-common
• 1658[14:35:34] <judd> Package: gnustep-base-common on amd64 -- jessie: 1.24.7-1; stretch: 1.24.9-3.1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1.24.9-3.1+deb9u1; buster: 1.26.0-4; buster-proposed-updates: 1.26.0-4+deb10u1; bullseye: 1.26.0-6; sid: 1.26.0-6
• 1659[14:35:47] <annadane> botched dist-upgrade
• 1660[14:35:48] <greycat> you've got some mix of stretch and buster right now
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• 1662[14:36:21] <greycat> It might be as simple as "you never did the apt full-upgrade step", maybe.
• 1663[14:36:44] <ruffni> so this is out of date? replaced-url
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• 1666[14:37:11] <annadane> well, we have release notes that tell you how to do it
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• 1670[14:39:13] <bernyrd> tbh never had dist-upgrade work
• 1671[14:39:19] <bernyrd> worse on ubuntu though
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• 1673[14:39:32] <ruffni> so `apt full-upgrade` fixes it all?
• 1674[14:39:32] <annadane> also, your sources.list is wrong
• 1675[14:39:39] <annadane> according to apt-cache policy
• 1676[14:39:49] <annadane> !buster sources.list
• 1677[14:39:50] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 1680[14:41:22] <greycat> I'm guessing they're using a regional mirror, and that's probably not the issue.
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• 1683[14:41:45] <annadane> oh, buster/updates *is* there
• 1684[14:41:49] <annadane> i just can't read
• 1685[14:42:12] <greycat> I would either try "apt install gnustep-base-common gnustep-base-runtime" or "apt full-upgrade" and see what happens next.
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• 1689[14:43:02] <annadane> listen to the person who's actually good at this stuff. :P
• 1690[14:43:05] <ruffni> i'm going for the full-upgrade (since i'm trying to upgrade anyways)
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• 1692[14:43:20] <ruffni> and who is that? ;)
• 1693[14:43:30] <greycat> Usually themill or jelly.
• 1694[14:46:07] <annadane> i've gotten *better*. my support used to be so bad
• 1695[14:46:12] <annadane> (and sorry about that)
• 1696[14:46:24] <annadane> still pretty nooby, though.
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• 1708[14:52:55] <ruffni> annadane: no worries and thanks a lot! the help i usually need is in form of pointers to the obvious (like apt full-upgrade)
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• 1720[15:00:18] <ska> After upgrading to 10.1, zoom can't repaint its screen. Anyone seen similar issue?
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• 1738[15:05:19] <ska> Maybe Im missing the multimedia libs that the upgrade disabled.
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• 1744[15:07:50] <jhutchins_wk> zoom not being a Debian project, it's probably best to ask them. Maybe reinstall?
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• 1747[15:08:17] <greycat> !zoom
• 1748[15:08:17] <dpkg> zoom sucks at UT.
• 1749[15:08:20] <greycat> !factinfo zoom
• 1750[15:08:20] <dpkg> zoom -- created by Nero <~nero@dialup-1-038.melb2.dft.com.au> at Wed Mar 27 05:52:29 2002 (6428 days); it has been requested 11 times, last by greycat, 3s ago.
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• 1767[15:16:04] <Haohmaru> dialup- .. .com.au
• 1768[15:16:05] <Haohmaru> bruh
• 1769[15:16:40] <greycat> crikey
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• 1772[15:17:34] <annadane> krrrrrrrrrr kreeeeeeeeeeee bzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
• 1773[15:17:44] <annadane> ...you have mail.
• 1774[15:18:10] <Haohmaru> no i don't, i just checked
• 1775[15:18:12] <Haohmaru> y u lie to me
• 1776[15:18:30] <klys> australia online?
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• 1779[15:18:58] <greycat> You've got mail, mate.
• 1780[15:20:06] <ratrace> is that literally dialup (ISDN) or just remnant hostnames from the distant past?
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• 1782[15:20:24] <greycat> The factoid was created in 2002. Who knows.
• 1783[15:20:45] <greycat> But apparently jhutchins_wk has heard of this "zoom
• 1784[15:20:54] <greycat> " thing, so maybe he can fill us in on what it is.
• 1785[15:20:54] <Haohmaru> <dial-up_modem.wav> teh sound of teh internetz
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• 1787[15:21:10] <Haohmaru> teh sound of kewlness and eggscitement
• 1788[15:21:23] <ratrace> xmodem and zmodem pron downloads
• 1789[15:21:26] <annadane> the op left, anyway
• 1790[15:22:15] <klys> 128 bytes a second
• 1791[15:22:34] <Haohmaru> juicy
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• 1793[15:22:51] <klys> compressed.gif
• 1794[15:22:58] <Haohmaru> download all teh gifs!
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• 1796[15:23:11] <greycat> but the pron is mostly jpg
• 1797[15:23:15] * Ede|Popede had ISDN 'til 2007 (wasn't willing to pay moon prices for DSL, even more after they failed that longtime test)
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• 1799[15:23:24] <ratrace> I had super fast 14.4k modem. those jpegs were flying at 2 kB/s!
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• 1801[15:23:42] <Haohmaru> i had about 3kB/sec on mine
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• 1804[15:24:21] <f8e3> hi, how to cat a file to clipboard? xfce deb9
• 1805[15:24:47] <klys> sudo apt-get install xclip; cat file | DISPLAY=:0 xclip -selection clipboard
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• 1809[15:26:31] <f8e3> klys: wow thank you
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• 1814[15:26:49] <f8e3> can i alias this 'cat template.html | DISPLAY=:0 xclip -selection clipboard" with an arg for file(path) ?
• 1815[15:26:49] <Ede|Popede> is it UTF-8 aware?
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• 1817[15:27:08] <spal> What does "nox" stand for in the "vim-nox" package?
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• 1819[15:27:39] <klys> ede|popede, sudo apt-get install locales-all; LC_ALL=en_US.utf8 xclip
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• 1822[15:27:54] <Ede|Popede> for whatever reason i had something related to good old X and copypaste shortly installed years ago and whatever it was (really can't remember), that one was not
• 1823[15:27:57] <klys> spal, doesn't use the x-window system, so you're confined to your terminal.
• 1824[15:27:59] <riezaizu> any tool for disabling mouse buttons in kde? The system settings section doesn't really have anything relevant.
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• 1828[15:28:43] <klys> f8e3, probably #bash for that question
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• 1831[15:28:51] <brwoods> For installing over serial/UART, how does one from the installer to the log?
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• 1835[15:30:30] <spal> klys: so, "nox" just means "No X"? I could have never guessed that. :) Thanks for the help!
• 1836[15:30:33] <klys> riezaizu, hmm are you running Xwayland? I think the evdev catchall config is probably somewhere near /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ;that's about all I know about that.
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• 1839[15:30:45] <greycat> f8e3: use a function instead of an alias. yourname() { DISPLAY=:0 xclip -selection clipboard -i "$1"; }
• 1840[15:31:00] <riezaizu> I assume Wayland because this is a #10 install
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• 1843[15:32:07] <klys> brwoods, most of the apt logging is in /var/log/apt/
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• 1850[15:36:19] <jhutchins_wk> zoom is a commercial cross-platform conferencing platform. Skype alternative.
• 1851[15:36:49] <greycat> dpkg, no, zoom is a commercial cross-platform conferencing platform. Skype alternative.
• 1852[15:36:50] <dpkg> greycat: okay
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• 1854[15:38:12] <jhutchins_wk> Ede|Popede: -nox is "No X" - it's VIM with everything exept the gui integration (which can be very annoying).
• 1855[15:38:14] <f8e3> :D runing around clipping everyting now, cant do .pdf though, .html fine eg
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• 1857[15:38:58] <jhutchins_wk> spal: I see someone else got it.
• 1858[15:39:11] <jhutchins_wk> Ede|Popede: Need to clean my glasses.
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• 1860[15:39:46] <Ede|Popede> jhutchins_wk: no problems, have to get some new ones myself
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• 1893[15:56:08] <paul424> hmm my xfce4-desktop's desktop does not start
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• 1895[15:56:25] <paul424> otherwise everything looks fine, what might be the problem >?
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• 1899[15:58:29] <jelly> paul424: try creating a fresh user nam log in as that one. If xfce works there, something's broken in your user's settings (perhaps under ~/.config/xf*, perhaps elsewhere)
• 1900[15:58:42] <jelly> s/nam/and/
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• 1903[15:59:32] <paul424> yeah a good tip, piety I didn't came out with that myself
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• 1907[16:01:20] <annadane> hey, the people who know stuff are here.
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• 1914[16:03:44] <paul424> jelly, for another user it works
• 1915[16:04:07] <paul424> which directories I should then mv ?
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• 1925[16:08:19] <dka> Hi, I am trying to install with modprob a kernel module so my WWAN card boot automatically on boot, but I have this error: `modprobe: FATAL: Module xmm7360_usb not found in directory /lib/modules/4.19.0-6-amd64` , the install instruction are available here : replaced-url
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• 1947[16:19:15] <jelly> annadane: lol. s/know/make educated guesses/g
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• 1957[16:20:45] <kadiro> what is networking.service for, it is in failed status but i'm connecting fine
• 1958[16:20:49] <jelly> dka: can you show the output of the previous commands?
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• 1964[16:22:33] <dka> jelly, of course
• 1965[16:22:42] <jelly> !paste
• 1966[16:22:42] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
• 1967[16:22:48] <dka> replaced-url
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• 1970[16:23:48] <jelly> line 33 > Warning: modules_install: missing 'System.map' file. Skipping depmod.
• 1971[16:23:52] <somiaj> kadiro: it works with /etc/network/interfaces file, do you have anything in the interfaces file that is failing, yet are using something like network-manager for your network?
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• 1973[16:24:18] <dka> it's not the cause of the error, I know because (1) it's a warning (2) some guy told me that I could ignore that (3) i have ignored with another driver and it was working well
• 1974[16:24:31] <kadiro> somiaj, yes i think there is networkmanager in my services
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• 1977[16:24:59] <somiaj> kadiro: so you might have some entry in /etc/network/interfaces from the install that is failing, you can remove all but lo from there if not using it.
• 1978[16:25:02] <somiaj> or just comment them out
• 1979[16:25:16] <jelly> dka: see if the .ko is actually present under /lib/modules/4.19.0-6-amd64, if it is, run "depmod -a" manually
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• 1981[16:25:27] <kadiro> somiaj, thank you
• 1982[16:25:58] <dka> jelly, this repository is a fork, it offer WWAN card to work even after reboot with no manual step, originally I am using the original repository which is the same thing except you need to manually activate the card. The acpi_call was also doing the same warning but the driver was working.
• 1983[16:26:11] <dka> jelly, I did a `ll` which is `ls -altr` on that directory already, see the past
• 1984[16:26:20] <jelly> dka: "after reboot" is _key_
• 1985[16:26:25] <greycat> dka: you didn't do a recursive search for it.
• 1986[16:26:29] <kadiro> somiaj, there is two lo line replaced-url
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• 1988[16:26:40] <jelly> dka: anywhere under that dir, recursively
• 1989[16:26:41] <dka> ls
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• 1991[16:27:07] <somiaj> kadiro: do you have any files in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ ?
• 1992[16:27:17] <kadiro> let me check
• 1993[16:27:18] <greycat> dka: find /lib/modules -name '*xmm7360_usb*'
• 1994[16:27:23] <dka> jelly, the .ko is in the current working directory
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• 1996[16:27:36] <dka> greycat, and it is also in /lib/modules/4.19.0-6-amd64/extra/xmm7360_usb.ko
• 1997[16:27:37] <greycat> modprobe doesn't look in the current directory
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• 1999[16:27:42] <kadiro> somiaj, there is one file called setup
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• 2001[16:28:04] <somiaj> kadiro: what is in that file, it could be that is the file causing the problem.
• 2002[16:28:21] <jelly> dka: you have to either successfully run something like "depmod -a", or let reboot process do it automatically
• 2003[16:28:29] <ska> My GL doesnt seem to work now.: replaced-url
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• 2005[16:28:43] <dka> jelly what do you mean by `let reboot process`
• 2006[16:28:49] <dka> Do you mean I just need to reboot ?
• 2007[16:28:53] <dka> I am not familiar with depmod -a
• 2008[16:28:59] <dka> what should I do ?
• 2009[16:29:08] <jelly> either run depmod, or reboot
• 2010[16:29:12] <kadiro> somiaj, yes you were right there is inside it eth0 replaced-url
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• 2012[16:29:24] <somiaj> kadiro: just remove that file if you are configuring your network elsewhere
• 2013[16:29:30] <somiaj> that should fix the problem
• 2014[16:29:41] <dka> I've just run `sudo depmod -a` and it produce nothing
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• 2016[16:29:51] <kadiro> somiaj, ok sure thank you very much
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• 2018[16:30:04] <jelly> dka: good. Does "modinfo xmm7360_usb" now find your new module?
• 2019[16:30:29] <dka> jelly, replaced-url
• 2020[16:30:57] <jelly> dka: that's a "yes", it finds the module because you ran depmod.
• 2021[16:31:06] <jelly> dka: modprobe will be able to find it now as well.
• 2022[16:31:18] <dka> what should I do now ?
• 2023[16:31:27] <jelly> continue where you left off
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• 2025[16:32:13] <dka> Why was it failing before ?
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• 2027[16:33:09] <jelly> dka: because depmod did not run, so kmod tools were not aware of any changes under /lib/modules/...
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• 2032[16:34:10] <jelly> dka: depmod finds all the .ko for the running kernel, and compiles a cache file with the list of modules. modinfo and modprobe need that cache.
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• 2035[16:34:50] <jelly> dka: so (1) the warning has meaning (2) don't trust blindly what "some guy" tells you
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• 2037[16:35:45] <jelly> still (3) a reboot would have probably made things better
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• 2041[16:39:51] <mohnish> Hello everyone! I wanted to know if there are any universal drivers for USB WiFi adapter
• 2042[16:40:13] <mohnish> My Debian installation cannot detect intterface wlan0
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• 2044[16:40:41] <greycat> It might not be called that.
• 2045[16:40:44] <jelly> mohnish: you're probably missing firmware to make the existing driver work
• 2046[16:41:03] <mohnish> jelly, what do I need to install then?
• 2047[16:41:11] <ratrace> mohnish: what happened to the advice you were given before? lsusb, lspci? dmesg? you can paste them for someone to help out if you don't understand that output
• 2048[16:41:15] <greycat> But yes, get the firmware installed first, and if that isn't sufficient, run "lsusb" to find out what your hardware is, then google it.
• 2049[16:41:27] <jelly> mohnish: depends on the device. Show the "lsusb" line for that device
• 2050[16:41:51] <mohnish> ratrace, yeah, I can't find the specific driver for my WiFi dapter
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• 2052[16:42:10] <ratrace> mohnish: there are probably hints about it in dmesg. can you pastebin dmesg?
• 2053[16:42:31] <mohnish> jelly, but I don't think I have installed linux-headers and some other stuff
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• 2058[16:42:47] <mohnish> Sorry, don't have much exp on linux
• 2059[16:44:05] <mohnish> hello?
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• 2063[16:44:27] <mohnish> Let me print the contents of dmesg
• 2064[16:44:34] <ratrace> mohnish: wait
• 2065[16:44:35] <Ede|Popede> !paste
• 2066[16:44:35] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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• 2069[16:44:45] <ratrace> mohnish: yeah, that, use a pastebin
• 2070[16:44:47] <Ede|Popede> (i hope you meant to use a pastebin anyway ;))
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• 2072[16:44:57] <mohnish> yes, I know
• 2073[16:45:10] <mohnish> I was gonna use dpaste
• 2074[16:45:19] <ratrace> that's fine
• 2075[16:45:22] <jhutchins_wk> montyboy: To answer your question, no there is no universal USB wifi driver. It depends on the chipset.
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• 2077[16:45:44] <jhutchins_wk> mohnish: To answer your question, no there is no universal USB wifi driver. It depends on the chipset.
• 2078[16:45:51] <jhutchins_wk> (tab fail)
• 2079[16:45:52] <mohnish> okay
• 2080[16:46:01] <jelly> mohnish: I specifically asked you to show the one line in output of "lsusb" that shows your wifi device. Can you do that?
• 2081[16:46:10] <jelly> not dmesg, not anything else
• 2082[16:46:51] <mohnish> okay okay wait, I gotta connect my phone and turn on thetring on it so that it connects as wired connection
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• 2093[16:49:53] <ratrace> mohnish: you can type it out, it's short info, only stuff after "ID" is important
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• 2126[17:06:03] <jelly> !qotd0
• 2127[17:06:03] <dpkg> <harrison> i often wonder what life could be like if i was not stupid
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• 2142[17:14:08] <mo1991> heloo
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• 2144[17:14:14] <mo1991> hello
• 2145[17:14:22] <jelly> yes, hello
• 2146[17:14:24] <jelly> !ask
• 2147[17:14:24] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 2152[17:17:17] <mo1991> interesting. it seems the last time I logged into #debian, it would not let me actually post to the channel unless I registered, which required an email address. I'd never had to provide an email address before to register, so it seemed strange. Now, however, you guys can see what I'm typing again. Did something change or am I just crazy?
• 2153[17:17:30] <annadane> don't crosspost, i answered you in oftc
• 2154[17:17:57] <ruffni> something i've been wondering for a while now: if you wanted to install some web-technology (like dokuwiki) and use `apt install dokuwiki` and you have already nginx setup, how do you proceed without installing the apache dependency?
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• 2156[17:19:06] <ratrace> ruffni: if that's a PHP app, install php-fpm first/too
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• 2158[17:19:32] <mo1991> annadane - sorry, Are the two channels connected? I have been using #debian in freenode for well over a decade, but have not been on much lately due to the fact I needed to register with email to post, which was annoying
• 2159[17:20:19] <ratrace> it can always happen, a channel can go +r and you'll need to be registered to enter
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• 2162[17:20:44] <annadane> they're connected-ish, but we just discourage crossposting
• 2163[17:20:56] <annadane> a lot of us are in both
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• 2165[17:21:10] <annadane> debian moved to oftc, so oftc's is "official", but this one has more users
• 2166[17:21:46] <ruffni> sure, but why is apt kind of insisting to install apache? isn't it supposed to just check if there's already a web server installed? what am i missing?
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• 2170[17:22:29] <ratrace> ruffni: you're missing PHP interpreter. default is mod_php and apache I think, so unless you "force" the presence of fpm, it'll want apache
• 2171[17:22:35] <ratrace> (though you can use fpm with apache too)
• 2172[17:22:52] <jelly> mo1991: your being crazy has little to do with ever-changing settings of this channel
• 2173[17:22:52] <ruffni> fpm is there (both php5 and php7.0)
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• 2175[17:23:08] <ruffni> and i *have* a working nginx setup
• 2176[17:23:09] <jhutchins_wk> ruffni: Some packagers don't set up for multiple possible servers.
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• 2178[17:23:56] <ruffni> ok. weird :) their webpage (also) suggests installing with nginx. i was just wondering. so how do you guys do it? just install it from source/package without apt? apt --nodeps?
• 2179[17:24:05] <jelly> mo1991: sometimes there are stronger rules in place when there are ongoing spam attack. Right now there aren't any. And the rules may be different on freenode and on oftc
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• 2182[17:25:24] <ratrace> ruffni: WorksForMe(tm), dokuwiki installs on buster with just nginx + php-fpm
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• 2185[17:25:45] <ratrace> I'm not sure really which package exactly you need to pre install, I thought php-fpm would be enough
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• 2188[17:26:42] <ratrace> ruffni: btw, that Stretch? you mention php7.0
• 2189[17:27:02] <ratrace> wait, no dokuwiki on stretch....
• 2190[17:27:47] <ruffni> supposed to be buster (upgraded earlier).. and yes; dpkg -l | grep fpm shows php7.0-fpm and php5-fpm
• 2191[17:28:01] <ratrace> ruffni: where's that 7.0 coming from
• 2192[17:28:07] <ratrace> php5 even
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• 2194[17:28:30] <ruffni> earlier installs, i guess? they're not upgradable
• 2195[17:28:56] <ratrace> ruffni: so then the package manager doesn't see php-fpm installation satisfied? it's 7.3 on Buster
• 2196[17:29:05] <ratrace> maybe upgrade all that and get rid of orphans
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• 2201[17:30:31] <mo1991> jelly - good to know. Anyway I'm glad to be back to where I can actually post - perhaps even contribute :)
• 2202[17:30:46] <jhutchins_wk> ratrace: You're walking the edge of Debian package management there, it's not going to be push-button automatic.
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• 2204[17:31:10] <ratrace> jhutchins_wk: is that meant for ruffni ?
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• 2206[17:31:32] <jhutchins_wk> Probably.
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• 2210[17:33:01] <ratrace> mo1991: in that case you'd probably want to register your account
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• 2212[17:33:13] <Kats99> why does paste.debian.net have so many scripts containing p@rn links
• 2213[17:34:21] <ruffni> ok :) thanks. how do i figure out which packages depend on said php7.0-fpm? and why am i walking the edge of package management?
• 2214[17:34:37] <webstrand> I need to force all package installation to happen in a mount namespace. I have a script which'll run dpkg in the correct namespace, how can I force apt-get and other package installation tools to use my version of dpkg?
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• 2220[17:35:42] <mo1991> ratrace - I have been registered with password for mo1991 for probably over a decade - it just recently seems to be not letting me register without a password.
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• 2223[17:36:47] <mo1991> sorry I meant not letting me register without an email. Meaning it seems to me like at some point the old user/pass registrations were blown away and a new registration that required an email address to get the pass replaced them. IDK.
• 2224[17:37:07] <jhutchins_wk> ,v php7
• 2225[17:37:08] <judd> No package named 'php7' was found in amd64.
• 2226[17:37:15] <greycat> ,v php-fpm
• 2227[17:37:16] <jhutchins_wk> ,v php7.0
• 2228[17:37:16] <judd> Package: php-fpm on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; bullseye: 2:7.3+69; buster: 2:7.3+69; sid: 2:7.3+69
• 2229[17:37:17] <judd> Package: php7.0 on amd64 -- stretch: 7.0.33-0+deb9u3; stretch-proposed-updates: 7.0.33-0+deb9u6; stretch-security: 7.0.33-0+deb9u6
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• 2234[17:37:48] <jhutchins_wk> ,v php7.3
• 2235[17:37:50] <judd> Package: php7.3 on amd64 -- buster: 7.3.4-2; bullseye: 7.3.10-1; sid: 7.3.10-1; buster-proposed-updates: 7.3.11-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 7.3.11-1~deb10u1
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• 2237[17:38:00] <jhutchins_wk> Wow.
• 2238[17:38:26] <jhutchins_wk> ruffni: I take that back.
• 2239[17:38:30] <greycat> PHP 7.0 is stretch's. 7.3 is buster's.
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• 2243[17:38:42] <ratrace> mo1991: yes, freenode clear out old, unused accounts periodically
• 2244[17:38:46] <ratrace> clears*
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• 2247[17:40:55] <rkeene> bigterd, Did you get your RAID working ?
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• 2250[17:41:51] <ratrace> ruffni: you should be able to install php7.3-fpm and then remove older ones. a warning, it'll probably fail to start upon installation due to conflict of supporting files. I remember having an issue like that when I upgraded, I can't remember the deets.
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• 2256[17:46:09] <ruffni> still, how would i figure out which of my installed packages actually need this php7.0?
• 2257[17:46:35] <greycat> apt-get -n remove php7.0
• 2258[17:46:41] <ratrace> -s ?
• 2259[17:46:45] <greycat> yeah, something like that
• 2260[17:46:50] <greycat> or just omit the option and say "no" when it asks
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• 2262[17:47:05] <ratrace> I wonder if apt-cache rdepends php7.0 would show anything
• 2263[17:47:10] <ratrace> rdepends --installed
• 2264[17:47:11] <jhutchins_wk> There's a whatdepends function somewhere.
• 2265[17:47:19] <greycat> it would attempt to resolve them from cache lists rather than installed pkgs
• 2266[17:47:30] <ratrace> yeah and find nothing
• 2267[17:48:34] <greycat> on stretch, according to "apt-cache showpkg php7.0" the only thing that actually depends on it is "php"
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• 2270[17:49:02] <ratrace> makes sense for packages to depend on the generic metapackage and not specific version
• 2271[17:49:28] <greycat> yeah, lots of "Reverse Depends" for php
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• 2275[17:51:00] <ruffni> both (rdepends and remove) only show php7.0 stuff.. so it could still be that there is stuff installed, which needs it but i didn't install via apt?
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• 2277[17:51:40] <greycat> It's probably just not removed during the full-upgrade.
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• 2280[17:53:32] <ruffni> but it also wasn't upgraded...
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• 2282[17:53:50] <greycat> There isn't an "upgrade" for php7.0 in buster. There is a replacement for it.
• 2283[17:54:18] <greycat> The unversioned metapackages "php" "php-fpm" and so on should depend on the correct versioned packages in each release.
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• 2293[17:58:38] <kreyren> replaced-url
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• 2295[17:58:52] <kreyren> this is debian live loaded in tmpfs
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• 2306[18:04:06] <jhutchins_wk> kreyren: Summary?
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• 2309[18:04:43] <kreyren> jhutchins_wk: debian live iso loaded in tmpfs where GPU fans are not spinning and it's refusing to install nvidia-driver package
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• 2322[18:09:21] <Gigglebyte> Strange things are going on with my computer. Most of my desktop disappeared after fixing my config file and updating. I am using hexchat which was accessible with the right mouse button on the Buster desktop, but I can't minimize or it disappears from the screen. Any idea how to fix this mess, and bring back the missing desktops?
• 2323[18:10:04] <kadiro> sound like a panel not a desktop
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• 2333[18:15:23] <dka> Hi, I am using cinnamon and for some reason the bluetooth icon in the system tray is not here. Also, I have offered another program to reduce in the system tray and it is also not here. any idea how can see why and possibly fix that ?
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• 2335[18:16:11] <Gigglebyte> kadiro> Any idea how to fix this problem?
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• 2342[18:17:30] <kadiro> Gigglebyte, not sure if I can, but each desktop have its own panel, as exemple xfce have 'xfce4-panel' ...
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• 2346[18:19:11] <kadiro> Gigglebyte, you can also check the ~/.xsession-errors to see what was the problem or what caused it
• 2347[18:19:21] <humpled> sounds like the display server has guessed/been told the wrong screen size
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• 2352[18:20:22] <wxb> Hi. I'm on a 64 bit machine. I tried to create a bootable flash drive by reformating to FAT, unmounting and then running sudo dd if=/home/user/Téléchargements/firmware-10.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M && sync. When I boot the machine I cannot select to boot from flash drive. Same issue with Mint and MXlinux, (but maybe that's not relevant). Odd thing, I was able to install Debian 9 on this machine with that process before and i
• 2353[18:20:22] <wxb> t appears that boot from USB is allowed in BIOS. Any obvious issues here? Thanks.
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• 2355[18:21:06] <wxb> (This isn't the same machine that I was working on for dualbooting btw :) )
• 2356[18:21:44] <kadiro> wxb, yeah that method works when the iso were hybrid
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• 2363[18:23:20] <wxb> kadiro, Hyrbid?
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• 2374[18:27:26] <oerheks> hybrid = suitable for cdr and usb, so you should burn a cdr for that?
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• 2376[18:28:24] <karlpinc> wxb: Looks like it should work to me. You could always cmp the flash drive and the file. (It should tell you the file runs out of data but the flash holds more.)
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• 2382[18:29:48] <karlpinc> wxb: And test the checksum on the iso.
• 2383[18:29:51] <wxb> karlpinc, sudo cmp /dev/sdX ?
• 2384[18:30:33] <wxb> karlpinc, Oh no that's not how that command works is it, it's compare!
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• 2386[18:30:45] <karlpinc> wxb: cmp /dev/sdX /path/to/some/file (and sudo if you need root access)
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• 2388[18:31:05] <wxb> karlpinc, Seems kinda odd that three different isos wouldn't work though....
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• 2390[18:31:35] <karlpinc> wxb: Not if your flash is bad.
• 2391[18:31:52] <wxb> Also, it's the same flash drive that successfully installed netinstall on the HP laptop, so kinda weird.
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• 2394[18:32:13] <wxb> And the BIOS looks fine, so I'm not sure what's up.
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• 2400[18:33:13] <karlpinc> wxb: Put the stick in another box and try to boot.
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• 2406[18:34:37] <karlpinc> wxb: Or use another usb port on the box you're trying to boot.
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• 2413[18:37:56] <jhutchins_wk> !bluetooth
• 2414[18:37:56] <dpkg> Bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol (replaced-url
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• 2418[18:38:40] <wxb> jhutchins_wk, Hmmmm. Good thing this machine doesn't have BT :)
• 2419[18:38:41] <Okee> someone texted me earlier about a panel problem, but I lost my Hexchat icon.
• 2420[18:39:02] <Okee> My panels disappeared after the last update, and I don't know how to bring them back.
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• 2422[18:39:25] <greycat> "Texted" you? Are you talking about something that was said in this channel, or a private message, or a literal SMS text message?
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• 2429[18:41:19] <jhutchins_wk> Okee: create a new user, log in as that user, see if your desktop is normal.
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• 2436[18:43:33] <jhutchins_wk> wxb: I would also suspect hardware issues.
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• 2439[18:43:44] <jhutchins_wk> wxb: Flash drives don't last forever.
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• 2443[18:45:41] <wxb> jhutchins_wk, karlpinc Just tested the usb with a 32 bit Debian iso on a 32 bit machine and it booted fine.
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• 2450[18:47:00] <wxb> Must be something with this machine, which is odd. I'll have too look into the BIOS more.... maybe something is up there. Thanks anyway.
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• 2453[18:47:22] <jhutchins_wk> wxb: Have you verified the checksum of the iso file?
• 2454[18:48:28] <wxb> jhutchins_wk, I did that - and it's the same one that produced a working machine (HP laptop) yesterday.
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• 2458[18:50:23] <jhutchins_wk> wxb: You could try booting the 32b image on the laptop.
• 2459[18:51:19] <wxb> jhutchins_wk, True! Good idea. lscpu says it's good with 32 bit too. Okay. Will do! Cheers.
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• 2464[18:52:07] <Okee> I'm getting summoned to an appointment so will login later today.
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• 2470[18:53:44] <jhutchins_wk> The reason everything is AMD64 is because it's backwards compatible, it'll run 32b code just fine, whereas Intel's 64b implementation would not.
• 2471[18:54:09] <jhutchins_wk> A lot of us continued to use 32b environments while the bugs got worked out of the 64b code.
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• 2498[19:06:06] <mmmmm> Hello. I've got a weird issue on that new VPS: I cannot connect through ssh if I didn't log in to the tty - it's debian 10
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• 2504[19:07:56] <mmmmm> here's the sshd_config, in case it matters: replaced-url
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• 2518[19:16:02] <jhutchins_wk> mmmmm: Not sure what you mean, what is the sequence of commands?
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• 2520[19:16:26] <jhutchins_wk> You would have to be logged in to a "local" shell in order to run ssh.
• 2521[19:16:47] <jhutchins_wk> You also have to log in to the "remote" shell if you don't use keys.
• 2522[19:17:07] <greycat> Explain what "cannot connect" means. What happens when you try? How does logging into whatever backdoor you're using change the situation?
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• 2524[19:18:57] <mmmmm> on server reboot, trying to connect over ssh will result in "connexion refused". There's no firewall yet on that machine, and ssh will start connecting once i've been logged on the kvm-in-browser stuff
• 2525[19:19:16] <mmmmm> if that makes sense
• 2526[19:19:31] <greycat> the obvious question is what happens when you login through the "kvm-in-browser". is a new process started, etc.
• 2527[19:19:45] <greycat> is ssh even *running* before then?
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• 2534[19:23:28] <humpled> eek "kvm-in-browser"
• 2535[19:23:49] <greycat> I don't even know what that means.
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• 2539[19:24:07] <humpled> virtualise all the things in javascript :D
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• 2614[20:05:46] <wskyx> was vbox removed from buster?
• 2615[20:06:18] <greycat> If you believe it was in a previous release, figure out the package name and state it clearly.
• 2616[20:06:25] <greycat> ,v vbox
• 2617[20:06:26] <judd> No package named 'vbox' was found in amd64.
• 2618[20:06:28] <greycat> ,v virtualbox
• 2619[20:06:30] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.2.24-dfsg-4~bpo9+1; sid/contrib: 6.0.14-dfsg-1
• 2620[20:06:33] <greycat> Was that it?
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• 2624[20:09:16] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 2625[20:09:17] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2629[20:09:49] <somiaj> the stretch approach of providing it in stretch-backports was deemed against policy, if something can't be in stable, it also can't be in testing (and thus can't have a backport made)
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• 2645[20:20:02] <SerajewelKS> virtualbox's removal got me to look into kvm
• 2646[20:20:20] <SerajewelKS> which is not nearly as easy to set up and configure, but is much more powerful
• 2647[20:20:44] <Habbie> SerajewelKS, i don't know if i'm lacking any context, but i like Gnome Boxes
• 2648[20:20:49] <somiaj> virtual-manager with libvirt simiplifies a lot of it.
• 2649[20:21:08] <somiaj> is gnome boxes another front end to libvirt, or does it use a different method?
• 2650[20:21:12] <SerajewelKS> somiaj: yeah, though i didn't like the "everything runs as root" model
• 2651[20:21:17] <Habbie> somiaj, i'm not actually sure
• 2652[20:21:24] <Habbie> somiaj, i've been a total user here
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• 2654[20:21:46] <somiaj> SerajewelKS: I don't really see how you can run a vm with out some root permissions, but I use libvirt just fine as my normal user.
• 2655[20:21:54] <somiaj> or are you complaing that libvirtd runs as root?
• 2656[20:21:57] <Habbie> sudo apt remove libvirt0
• 2657[20:22:01] <Habbie> The following packages will be REMOVED:
• 2658[20:22:04] <Habbie> gnome-boxes libvirt-daemon libvirt-glib-1.0-0 libvirt0
• 2659[20:22:06] <Habbie> i guess that answers that
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• 2662[20:22:18] <Habbie> i should probably install virsh too then
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• 2665[20:22:29] <somiaj> Habbie: yea, I like virsh, I use that way more than virt-manager
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• 2667[20:22:48] <somiaj> note, if running windows vms, virtualbox is often a little bit better, but kvm works wonderful for linux vms.
• 2668[20:22:54] <SerajewelKS> somiaj: AIUI virt-manager can be run as a user but controls a daemon that runs as root. compared to giving users write access to /dev/kvm.
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• 2670[20:23:01] <Habbie> yeah, i see two VMs in virsh, which matches my Boxes
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• 2672[20:23:09] <Habbie> but one of the names is bad ;)
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• 2674[20:24:06] <somiaj> Habbie: be a bit careful with virsh and qemu, as it often defaults to use session instead of system session
• 2675[20:24:42] <somiaj> SerajewelKS: yea, I'm unsure if there is a way around that, I just don't fully understand how vms work, but to me root is going to be needed somewhere to run them (though maybe using the right groups it can be avoided)
• 2676[20:24:52] <Habbie> somiaj, i'm not sure what that means but one day i will go 'ah! that is what somiaj meant! i wish i could reattach my foot!'
• 2677[20:25:13] <SerajewelKS> somiaj: debian's qemu-kvm package creates a kvm group which has ownership of /dev/kvm and it's chmod 660. so "adduser $who kvm" is sufficient.
• 2678[20:25:30] <somiaj> ahh, so I guess just a shortcomming in libvirt then
• 2679[20:25:44] <somiaj> Habbie: man virsh, search for qemu:///system vs qemu:///session (or the connect URI)
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• 2681[20:26:00] <Habbie> somiaj, oh! that rings a vague bell
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• 2685[20:26:11] <somiaj> Habbie: basically each user can have their own set of vms in qemu:///session and root's vms are in qemu:///system
• 2686[20:26:19] <Habbie> right
• 2687[20:26:28] <somiaj> virsh defaults to qemu:///session which might not be what the user wants.
• 2688[20:26:51] <somiaj> I use export LIBVIRT_DEFAULT_URI="qemu:///system" in my .bashrc to enforce using system uri
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• 2693[20:27:58] <somiaj> SerajewelKS: replaced-url
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• 2695[20:28:26] <somiaj> so if you only use qemu:///session seems an unprivlaged libvirtd is run instead.
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• 2706[20:32:44] <SerajewelKS> somiaj: interesting
• 2707[20:33:15] <SerajewelKS> somiaj: my setup is to have a script that starts the VM with qemu-system and have that script called from a systemd user unit who has linger enabled
• 2708[20:33:36] <SerajewelKS> and i do any live reconfiguration on the qemu monitor via a unix socket
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• 2711[20:33:49] <SerajewelKS> probably not as fancy and easy as virt-manager, but it works and i understand it
• 2712[20:33:56] <somiaj> yea, makes me wonder if there is a way for other users to access an unprivlaged users qemu:///session
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• 2714[20:34:32] <somiaj> I was just lazy when I switched to kvm, and let libvirt do the work for me, but provided you know what is needed, libvirt is probably way to powerful of a tool for manys use case.
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• 2718[20:35:12] <somiaj> Some other user here mentioned they wished there was some tool between libvirt and manually configuring everything, but there just isn't.
• 2719[20:35:19] <SerajewelKS> i'd assume that control of the user session is over a user-owned unix socket with 600 permissions
• 2720[20:35:26] <SerajewelKS> so other users shouldn't be able to muck with it
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• 2726[20:36:06] <SerajewelKS> somiaj: if there was such a tool, as new features were added over time it would probably just become another libvirt
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• 2728[20:36:27] <somiaj> SerajewelKS: that is often what happens.
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• 2730[20:36:35] <SerajewelKS> see firefox :)
• 2731[20:37:02] <somiaj> maybe it is bored programers, where this tool works great, but what if it also did X
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• 2733[20:37:15] <somiaj> soon there is a tool that doens't work as great anymore for some users.
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• 2735[20:37:43] <SerajewelKS> and that process applies to just about everything in life. see government.
• 2736[20:38:26] <SerajewelKS> things tend towards complexity because of good intentions or busibodies and eventually the thing collapses under its own weight
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• 2738[20:38:56] <SerajewelKS> it's kind of a miracle that this hasn't happened to the linux kernel yet
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• 2749[20:45:40] <dka> Hi, I need help to create a wifi hotspot using my WAN connection
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• 2753[20:45:46] <dka> Hi, I need help to create a wifi hotspot using my WAN connection
• 2754[20:45:49] <dka> Sorry
• 2755[20:46:02] <Habbie> one of the problems with wifi is spurious retransmits.
• 2756[20:46:32] <wskyx> dka: you need hostpad, dnsmasq and nat
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• 2763[20:48:35] <dka> wskyx, hostpad?
• 2764[20:48:43] <wskyx> hostapd
• 2765[20:48:53] <wskyx> typo
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• 2768[20:49:52] <wskyx> hostapd creates actual wifi hotspot, dnsmasq will allow you to set up dhcp and dns and use iptables to masquarade and allow connectivity
• 2769[20:50:20] <v0idpwn> Hi. I just set up a server with ssh-keys at digital ocean. I'm trying to connect but ssh still asks me for a password. The problem is certainly client-side. What could be happening?
• 2770[20:50:21] <wskyx> well not hotspot, actuall wifi network
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• 2772[20:50:35] <wskyx> you can set it to use wpa2
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• 2774[20:50:59] <somiaj> v0idpwn: where did you put the key on the client?
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• 2776[20:52:16] <v0idpwn> somiaj: I didn't, Digital Ocean does this automagically on machine creation
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• 2779[20:52:38] <v0idpwn> This is why I think it is clientside
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• 2784[20:53:20] <greycat> So DO generates a key pair and sends you the keypair over some sort of communication channel?
• 2785[20:53:23] <greycat> This is not a good practice.
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• 2788[20:53:42] <greycat> What exactly did they send to you, and what did you do with them?
• 2789[20:53:50] <v0idpwn> greycat: no. I generate the keypair and send the public part for them.
• 2790[20:54:24] <Habbie> v0idpwn, are you using the right username? i recall that what is the right one varies between images with them
• 2791[20:55:00] <v0idpwn> Habbie: could be. I've been using debian (never with ssh-keys) and this is my first time with CoreOS. I'll check it out
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• 2793[20:56:02] <dka> wskyx, I have created a Wi-Fi hotspot using the GUI from cinnamon. It gives me a WPA generated key and a network name, if I test with my Galaxy S9 to connect to the wifi, I can see it but it says password incorrect.
• 2794[20:56:16] <v0idpwn> You're damn right, Habbie. It was the username. I thought it was related to my computer.
• 2795[20:56:21] <v0idpwn> Sorry for bothering :')
• 2796[20:56:36] <wskyx> dka: i wont help you with cinnamon
• 2797[20:56:38] <Habbie> v0idpwn, yay, i helped
• 2798[20:57:07] <Habbie> v0idpwn, the problem was with your computer - it was sending the wrong username :D
• 2799[20:57:44] <dka> Sorry I was adding the wrong password. I can't login using my S9 because it hang after I press on "Connexion" button. I can just use the "back" button to cancel the connection.
• 2800[20:57:55] <dka> wskyx, I can check the network config from command line
• 2801[20:58:07] <dka> I assume the network is created properly since I can see it with my phone
• 2802[20:58:42] <v0idpwn> hehehh
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• 2805[20:59:40] <humpled> i'm sure it doesn't say "connexion"
• 2806[20:59:56] <habbah> I need clan-5, but apt-cache search clan only shows clan 3.8, 3.9, 4.0, and 7. how might i install 5.0?
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• 2808[21:00:42] <somiaj> habbah: what version of debian?
• 2809[21:00:52] <DammitJim> exit
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• 2813[21:01:21] <dka> I want to connect my Galaxy S9 to the hotspot wifi I have created on Debian, after clicking "Connexion" button on my phone, I have this in my /var/log/syslog: iwlwifi 0000:00:14.3: Unhandled alg: 0x707 , and I can't connect to the network
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• 2815[21:02:54] <habbah> replaced-url
• 2816[21:04:07] <habbah> sangy: 9.11
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• 2820[21:05:16] <somiaj> ,v clang-5.0
• 2821[21:05:17] <judd> Package: clang-5.0 on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 1:5.0.1-2~bpo9+1
• 2822[21:05:30] <somiaj> habbah: there is a version of clang-5.0 in stretch-backports built against stretch, so that might work.
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• 2830[21:16:10] <dka> I want to create a secure HotSpot Wifi connexion between my Debian and my S9. S9 can connect, but as soon as I set a password, it keep hanging. Can anyone help please ?
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• 2844[21:22:41] <dka> I have created a HotSpot Wifi from Debian. I can login using another Debian device but not from my Galaxy S9 device. If I switch off the password, both can login. Any idea how I can fix the connection from the S9 when the wifi is password secure ?
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• 2846[21:24:29] <sangy> habbah: what'd I break
• 2847[21:24:50] <sangy> oh, tabfail? carry on debianers
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• 2865[21:33:42] <valeech> Hello - is this a good place to ask questions about dmsetup?
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• 2867[21:34:12] <Habbie> are your questions about dmsetup on debian?
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• 2880[21:39:36] <dka> How can I upgrade my kernel to > 5 ?
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• 2882[21:40:01] <greycat> there's one in buster-backports
• 2883[21:40:26] <dka> name?
• 2884[21:40:34] <greycat> ,kernels
• 2885[21:40:36] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.3.0-trunk-686-pae (5.3.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.3.0-1-686-pae (5.3.7-1); bullseye: 5.2.0-3-686 (5.2.17-1); buster-backports: 5.2.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (5.2.17-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-6-686 (4.19.67-2+deb10u1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u1); jessie-backports:
• 2886[21:40:37] <judd> 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u1~deb8u1)
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• 2891[21:41:41] <dka> What is the name of the package?
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• 2894[21:42:42] * dka got it linux-image-amd64
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• 2901[21:44:20] <dka> do I need to restart after installing this package to see change when doing uname -a ?
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• 2903[21:44:37] <greycat> ...
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• 2905[21:44:46] <greycat> yes, you have to reboot to run a different kernel
• 2906[21:44:54] <dka> I can see that linux-image-4.19.0-6-amd64 is still installed
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• 2908[21:45:05] <dka> will it upgrade the kernel on reboot ?
• 2909[21:45:12] <dka> I ask because it didn't ask to reboot
• 2910[21:45:14] <whislock> Those packages aren't mutually exclusive.
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• 2912[21:45:24] <whislock> And it's not Windows. It assumes you understand basic system administration.
• 2913[21:45:47] <dka> I am learning this is why I am asking
• 2914[21:45:57] <dka> And it's better to ask than just go fast
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• 2917[21:46:09] <benbro1> I'm trying to install libreoffice from experimental but getting an error:
• 2918[21:46:10] <benbro1> The following packages have unmet dependencies libreoffice Depends: libreoffice-base but it is not going to be installed...
• 2919[21:46:14] <greycat> You have a set of installed kernels. You can see them by running "ls /boot". When you boot, the GRUB menu lets you select one of them, or if you don't select, it boots the newest one for you.
• 2920[21:46:19] <Gigglebyte> I am having a fair amount of trouble since the last update. I seem to have lost a panel that had my start icons: Thunderbird, Chrome, Firefox, Hexchat, Command Prompt, etc. If I select the Home folder, then any open screens on the desktop disappear. Any idea how to fix this?
• 2921[21:46:27] <dka> replaced-url
• 2922[21:46:31] <benbro1> shouldn't the experimental repo take care of that?
• 2923[21:46:39] <jhutchins_wk> dka: If you run uname -a you'll see the pre-upgrade kernel is still running. It will switch to the newer one when you reboot.
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• 2925[21:46:48] <whislock> benbro1: This channel is for stable support, unfortunately. Testing and sid are elsewhere. Experimental? No clue.
• 2926[21:47:06] <Habbie> experimental is an extension of unstable
• 2927[21:47:06] <jhutchins_wk> Gigglebyte: What relese are you using?
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• 2933[21:47:35] <whislock> Habbie: No, it isn't.
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• 2935[21:47:42] <whislock> Well, I guess it kind of is.
• 2936[21:47:48] <whislock> Eh, I'm splitting hairs.
• 2937[21:47:58] <Habbie> whislock, you can take it up with replaced-url
• 2938[21:48:10] <whislock> Habbie: Yeah, I saw that just now. I type corrected.
• 2939[21:48:16] <Habbie> ok :)
• 2940[21:48:18] <greycat> Experimental is NOT an extension of unstable, and it's NOT a repository that you are expected to track/follow/use.
• 2941[21:48:19] <whislock> benbro1: Relevant to your question, however: Users shouldn't be using packages from here, because they can be dangerous and harmful even for the most experienced people.
• 2942[21:48:37] <jhutchins_wk> whislock: Experimental is "I wonder if this will work". Unstable is "I wonder if this is good enough to go to testing".
• 2943[21:48:41] <ompaul> experimental is for people who know what they are doing - it is beyond support
• 2944[21:48:51] <whislock> jhutchins_wk: I know that. I'm not the one installing libreoffice from experimental. :P
• 2945[21:48:51] <benbro1> whislock: experimental is for experiments. that's what I'm doing
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• 2947[21:48:56] <greycat> Packages in experimental are KNOWN or SUSPECTED to be broken, and the maintainer is asking people to report on the exact results they get when it breaks.
• 2948[21:49:20] <ompaul> Isn't the thing Experimental is light the fuse run away very fast come back carefully?
• 2949[21:49:27] <Gigglebyte> greycat> Who do I report problems to when Buster misbehaves?
• 2950[21:49:33] <greycat> !bts
• 2951[21:49:33] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, replaced-url
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• 2953[21:50:04] <ompaul> Gigglebyte: which desktop are you using?
• 2954[21:50:17] <Gigglebyte> ompaul> xfce
• 2955[21:50:56] <Gigglebyte> ompaul> Everything was fine before the update that resulted from correcting the configuration file.
• 2956[21:51:38] <Gigglebyte> The only way I can get into any programs is to right click the mouse on the desktop, and access them that way.
• 2957[21:51:50] <Gigglebyte> I have no start menu.
• 2958[21:51:50] <ompaul> correcting which config file, you most likely if you "corrected" using system tools there is an original there you can refer to
• 2959[21:52:06] <ompaul> Gigglebyte: give me 10 minutes
• 2960[21:52:11] <Gigglebyte> ompaul> The configuration file was corrected with vim
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• 2964[21:52:29] <Gigglebyte> I can post it on paste.debian.net if you need to see it, but I don't think that is where the problem is.
• 2965[21:52:52] <ompaul> go for it but give me 10 minutes back
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• 2967[21:53:37] <jhutchins_wk> Gigglebyte: WHICH config file?
• 2968[21:53:40] <dka> I have upgraded the kernel but now I have lost the wifi connection, I wanted to recompile the module on the new kernel but I have: make[1]: *** /lib/modules/5.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
• 2969[21:53:55] <Gigglebyte> jhutchins_wk> /etc/apt/sources.list
• 2970[21:54:09] <ompaul> ah hang on
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• 2972[21:54:10] <greycat> dka: you need to install the headers that match this kernel
• 2973[21:54:20] <jhutchins_wk> Gigglebyte: From what to what?
• 2974[21:54:25] <jpw> hey, i'm setting up nagios for the first time in quite a long time. i'm using the debian packages but I am a little confused about the structure of /etc/nagios4 directory i wonder if someone can give me some pointers. Essentially I am used to putting my config (hosts, service commands etc) in to conf.d althought here seems to be another directory 'objects' that defines some standard templates
• 2975[21:54:26] <jpw> and even localhost. My question is, are the files in this objects directory safe to modify or am i likely to get a bunch of conflicts later when I upgrade the packages. also if the latter is true what is the best approach to reconfigure the objects defined in the 'objects' directory?
• 2976[21:54:28] <ompaul> Gigglebyte: paste that file into paste.debian.net place
• 2977[21:54:30] <ompaul> please
• 2978[21:54:42] <greycat> dka: usually uou can do that by installing "linux-headers-$(uname -r)"
• 2979[21:54:47] <dka> linux-headers-5.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 ?
• 2980[21:55:15] <greycat> and you'll probably need to specify -t buster-backports also
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• 2982[21:55:46] <Gigglebyte> ompaul> replaced-url
• 2983[21:56:01] <dka> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-5.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 => Error! The dkms.conf for this module includes a BUILD_EXCLUSIVE directive which ; does not match this kernel/arch. This indicates that it should not be built.
• 2984[21:56:11] <ompaul> Gigglebyte: and after that you did apt update && apt dist-upgrade ?
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• 2986[21:56:48] <greatgatsby> Hi. I can use `passwd -l someuser` to lock a user, but what do I do to get the asterisk instead of the exclamation mark in /etc/shadow, to simply disable password based logins?
• 2987[21:57:10] <Gigglebyte> ompaul> I have not done the apt dist-upgrade. I have only done apt-get upgrade. I will go forward with a distribution upgrade now.
• 2988[21:57:24] <Gigglebyte> ompaul> I am first going to backup my data.
• 2989[21:57:25] <ompaul> Gigglebyte: that usually solves those things
• 2990[21:58:08] <ompaul> Gigglebyte: you can stop with apt-get just use apt - more fun more powerful - also apt update and dist-upgrade are the upgrade path
• 2991[21:58:23] <ompaul> Gigglebyte: upgrade does it incompletely
• 2992[21:58:30] <ompaul> #oh-well
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• 2997[21:59:52] <dka> how can I remove the kernel 5.3 and downgrade to the old one ?
• 2998[21:59:56] <ompaul> Gigglebyte: using upgrade alone after that kind of edit it's a bit like choosing to jump in a big puddle of water when you can just jump over it with the dist-upgrade
• 2999[21:59:58] <jhutchins_wk> ompaul: does apt upgrade do the same thing as dist-upgrade?
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• 3001[22:00:05] <ompaul> no
• 3002[22:00:11] <ompaul> apt update
• 3003[22:00:13] <ompaul> apt dist-upgrade
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• 3006[22:00:24] <jhutchins_wk> Still need the dist, OK. THanks.
• 3007[22:00:26] <ompaul> apt upgrade is your day to day friend after a full update
• 3008[22:01:20] <ompaul> we should point out that was a version 9 to version 10 upgrade for anyone who didn't catch the subtlety
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• 3011[22:01:58] <jhutchins_wk> ompaul: Figured.
• 3012[22:02:20] <jhutchins_wk> I just tested it, dist-upgrade lists the (removable) old kernels, upgrade does not.
• 3013[22:02:21] <ompaul> jhutchins_wk: I know you did, but there are about 1500 nicks here ;-)
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• 3016[22:04:31] <netcrash> Hello, what's the state of btrfs on debian buster ?
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• 3022[22:06:09] <kadiro> so the dist-upgrade generaly is when upgraded
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• 3030[22:07:08] <dka> I have upgraded my kernel to 5.2.0 and i wanted to downgrade it. I did apt-get install linux-image-amd64=4.19+105+deb10u1 but now after reboot I am still on 5.2.20
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• 3032[22:07:15] <dka> 5.2.0
• 3033[22:07:22] <greycat> You have MULTIPLE KERNELS. Look in /boot. ls /boot
• 3034[22:07:31] <greycat> When you want to boot an older one, you just arrow down in the GRUB menu.
• 3035[22:07:38] <kadiro> the old one probably is still there
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• 3037[22:08:07] <dka> Damn. In bios my screen is 4K
• 3038[22:08:09] <dka> i can't see anything
• 3039[22:08:13] <dka> It's too small
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• 3041[22:08:29] <dka> I can't even read in GRUB
• 3042[22:08:35] <kadiro> you can may be change that in /etc/default/grub
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• 3047[22:10:45] <ompaul> kadiro: yes
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• 3049[22:11:23] <ompaul> apt autoremove gets rid of old software - to get an old kernel you need to reboot choose an old one - it's obvious from the boot screen
• 3050[22:11:30] <ompaul> at least I think it is obvious
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• 3060[22:17:03] <Latr_work> How can I get invited into #debian-next ?
• 3061[22:17:15] <whislock> !testing
• 3062[22:17:15] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <bullseye>. See replaced-url
• 3063[22:17:24] <whislock> Latr_work: It's not on freenode.
• 3064[22:17:26] <somiaj> Latr_work: be on the correct network, irc.oftc.net (this is freenode)
• 3065[22:17:35] <greycat> Latr_work: first, join the correct IRC network (not this one). Then you need to register on OFTC which is more involved than just /msg nickserv.
• 3066[22:17:57] <greycat> I don't remember the exact process. I had to google it. There's a web site I think.
• 3067[22:18:08] <Latr_work> oh I see. Thought it was on this server. My bad
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• 3069[22:18:29] <somiaj> Latr_work: oftc is the offical debian irc network.
• 3070[22:18:48] <Latr_work> fair enough
• 3071[22:18:55] <somiaj> whcih basically means all channels are there, #debian is the only channel on freenode
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• 3073[22:20:03] <greycat> a few of the non-english ones are here too
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• 3095[22:29:42] <p53ud0nym> How to I install the -dbgsym package for linux-base? I'm after symbols for the ld-linux binary - /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
• 3096[22:30:45] <somiaj> !dbgsym
• 3097[22:30:45] <dpkg> Packages that end in '*-dbgsym' contain the symbols required for debugging executables and libraries. The dbgsym packages are automatically generated packages that are in a separate archive; add a line like "deb replaced-url
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• 3100[22:32:02] <RoyK> (or perhaps create a new file like deb-debug.list under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and add it there)
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• 3105[22:35:12] <p53ud0nym> @somiaj: libc6-dbgsym is missing with the debug repos added and updated.
• 3106[22:35:38] <somiaj> ,v libc6
• 3107[22:35:39] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u4; buster: 2.28-10; bullseye: 2.29-2; sid: 2.29-3
• 3108[22:36:19] <somiaj> p53ud0nym: This is a known issue, I'm not sure what the solution is, but packages that get added through security don't get a debug package automatically generated until the next point release. One might have to build the package themselves to generate said debug package.
• 3109[22:36:29] <somiaj> I don't know the best solution in this case, I just know it is a known issue.
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• 3111[22:37:09] <somiaj> ,v libc6-dbgsym
• 3112[22:37:10] <judd> No package named 'libc6-dbgsym' was found in amd64.
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• 3115[22:38:35] <somiaj> hmm, maybe one isn't generated for another reason
• 3116[22:39:12] <p53ud0nym> OK. I'll build it myself. Thanks.
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• 3123[22:41:25] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 3125[22:42:20] <somiaj> for example replaced-url
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• 3127[22:42:27] <p53ud0nym> ,v libc-bin-dbgsym
• 3128[22:42:28] <judd> Package: libc-bin-dbgsym on amd64 -- stretch-debug: 2.24-11+deb9u4; buster-debug: 2.28-10; bullseye-debug: 2.29-2; sid-debug: 2.29-3
• 3129[22:42:47] <somiaj> p53ud0nym: I'm not that familar with this, but might be the libary doesn't have debugsysmols, but the binaries do, so libc-bin package has debugsymbols.
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• 3131[22:43:15] <somiaj> I also see
• 3132[22:43:21] <somiaj> ,v libc6-amd64-dbgsym
• 3133[22:43:22] <judd> No package named 'libc6-amd64-dbgsym' was found in amd64.
• 3134[22:43:49] <somiaj> ahh that is for i386 or other arches
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• 3136[22:45:12] <somiaj> p53ud0nym: what binary do you want a backtrace for? Run this command "find-dbgsym-packages /path/to/binary'
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• 3139[22:45:59] <somiaj> but I'm not quite sure why libc6 doesn't have deubg symbols
• 3140[22:46:04] <p53ud0nym> The binary is '/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2' however it's stripped.
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• 3143[22:48:13] <p53ud0nym> TIL find-dbgsym-packages. However it doens't work properly for libc6 dbg symbols.
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• 3145[22:48:41] <p53ud0nym> find-dbgsym-packages points to the package 'libc6-dev' which does not contain the symbols for the file I want.
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• 3147[22:48:56] <friendlyGoat> i need help with something stupid, no idea why but my machine seems to be able to host my bots which can get online, but i cannot do sudo apt-get update. it says they failed to resolve. /etc/resolv.conf gave no problem before but now i cannot use sudo apt-get update without changing the nameserver to 1.1.1.1
• 3148[22:48:56] <friendlyGoat> but that wasnt an issue before.
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• 3151[22:49:29] <friendlyGoat> when i do resolvconf -u it reverts the file back to 127.0.0.1 but again instead of working like it used to- it wont update
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• 3157[22:50:15] <somiaj> friendlyGoat: how do you configure your network? dhcp? Static?
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• 3159[22:50:23] <friendlyGoat> i have a static ip from pihole.
• 3160[22:50:46] <somiaj> Do you hae some other tool also configuring your network and overwriting resov.conf file?
• 3161[22:50:50] <somiaj> resolv.conf
• 3162[22:51:12] <friendlyGoat> im not entirely sure.
• 3163[22:51:31] <somiaj> Anyways, you need to track down what is overwriting your /etc/resolv.conf file, you could also see if the package resolvconf or openresolv just fix it (these are tools that take control of resolv.conf and you can configure to not let other applications overwrite it)
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• 3165[22:52:12] <somiaj> but it sounds like some network misconfiguration in which some other application is writing to resolv.conf that isn't. There are ways to track down which process is writing to the file
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• 3167[22:52:29] <jhutchins_wk> !resolvconf
• 3168[22:52:29] <dpkg> i heard resolvconf is a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your DNS settings). Packages like ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, ... are compatible with it. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>, <resolv.conf>, <override dns>
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• 3173[22:53:11] <jhutchins_wk> friendlyGoat: /msg dpkg override dns
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• 3175[22:53:36] <friendlyGoat> thanks
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• 3183[22:56:51] <oink> This is Gigglebyte. The network won't let me use my real username so I am announcing it.
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• 3186[22:57:38] <oink> Also, I did the Distribution Upgrade, but it didn't fix the problem. I still don't have a panel, and often can't see what has been opened. Any ideas on how to fix this?
• 3187[22:57:50] <Habbie> oink, the network is not allowing to use the Gigglebyte name because a client by that name is still connected
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• 3189[22:57:55] <oink> Invisibility suggest that screen ordering problem might be at work, but not sure.
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• 3191[22:58:17] <jhutchins_wk> oink: You tested a different user and it was fine, right?
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• 3194[22:58:32] <kadiro> oink, what happen if you type: xfce4-panel
• 3195[22:58:43] <oink> Habbie> I know that, but the sessions for Hexchat disappear after attempts at executing them. They are probably still open on my system but I don't see them. Sometimes I can't even get them executed -- at least not visually.
• 3196[22:58:57] <Habbie> oink, alright, just telling you what i can see from here
• 3197[22:59:00] <oink> So how do I fix this missing panel problem?
• 3198[22:59:15] <kadiro> try and tell us
• 3199[22:59:20] <jhutchins_wk> oink: ps ax in a console.
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• 3201[22:59:24] <somiaj> YOu have to readd it
• 3202[22:59:30] <oink> I don't have a start menu, but the menu shows up if I right click the desktop with my mouse, and I can start most things at the command line.
• 3203[22:59:56] <oink> ps ax in a console?
• 3204[23:00:00] <jhutchins_wk> oink: So we conclude that the panel is missing and you should re-add it.
• 3205[23:00:22] <jhutchins_wk> oink: That will show you the hexchat sessions, or you can pkill xchat
• 3206[23:00:28] <jhutchins_wk> hexchat
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• 3210[23:01:12] <oink> jhutchins_wk> The tool for readding it doesn't appear to be available. When right clicking the mouse on the desktop I only see "create launcher", but none of the associated desktop tools normally found in XFCE: start, desktops, etc.
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• 3213[23:02:31] * kadiro is going to make some coffee
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• 3225[23:07:28] <ws2k3> replaced-url
• 3226[23:07:33] <oink2> I restored the panel by typing xfce4-panel, and the problems appear to have disappeared.
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• 3228[23:08:39] <kadiro> finally you did that thank you
• 3229[23:09:15] <kadiro> try to log out and in again and see if the problem was fixed
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• 3234[23:10:43] <somiaj> ws2k3: line 21 - self test passed, line 85 No errors found
• 3235[23:10:47] <somiaj> ws2k3: it is passing its self tests
• 3236[23:11:29] <ws2k3> somiaj well... the raw read error keep going up hard
• 3237[23:11:47] <xormor> how do I resive an LVM partition?
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• 3239[23:11:54] <xormor> *resize
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• 3243[23:13:28] <somiaj> ws2k3: sometimes it is just a bad sata cable, replacing that cable can help
• 3244[23:14:17] <ws2k3> somiaj its a dedicated server managed by an external party
• 3245[23:14:21] <somiaj> ws2k3: sometimes devices self test is also wrong, but that self test you pasted says the device detects no errors itself. There are other tools to give disks stress tests, but it could be just a bad cable.
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• 3247[23:14:37] <somiaj> maybe contact them if you think there is a problem with their hardware.
• 3248[23:14:41] <jpw> xormor: you say partition but do you mean volumegroup or logicalvolume?
• 3249[23:15:13] <ws2k3> somiaj yeah i will. i have a smart plugins that checks the smart status on the disks and its gonna complain if this is not allright
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• 3254[23:16:55] <jpw> xormor: assuming you mean a logical volume, you first need to extend the volume group to 100%FREE of the physical volume then you can resize logical volumes contained within whatever size you desire.
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• 3256[23:18:10] <RoyK> jpw: the vg normally uses the full pv
• 3257[23:18:31] <jpw> xormor: beware though that if you have the lvm physicalvolume contained within a disk partition table you can not easily resize this volume and by doing so will very likely lead to data loss
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• 3262[23:19:12] <jpw> RoyK: not if the disk has been resized which is common in virtualised environments
• 3263[23:19:22] <RoyK> jpw: resizing a partition is quite easy - resizing the pv on the partition is also easy
• 3264[23:19:52] <RoyK> in virtual environments, I prefer to add a new drive and just put a new pv onto that drive directly without a partition
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• 3267[23:20:04] <jpw> me too
• 3268[23:20:06] <RoyK> then, after resizing it, a pvresize is simple
• 3269[23:20:28] <RoyK> partitions are such 1990 shite
• 3270[23:20:35] <jpw> mmmhmm
• 3271[23:20:58] <jpw> bring on that immutable infrastructure
• 3272[23:21:24] <RoyK> who would need a floppy drive with more than 1,44MB of space?
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• 3274[23:22:33] <RoyK> jpw: replaced-url
• 3275[23:22:43] <jpw> the number of times i have to remind our dev's that object storage is a thing and writing to disk will only end in tears
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• 3284[23:31:38] <RoyK> jpw: the only problem is that object storage will, eventually, end up on a disk too
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• 3289[23:37:55] <jpw> sure but's so much more versatile
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