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40[00:19:02] <magyar> thank you jelly, the downgrade worked
fine
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48[00:24:04] <teatime> gvo: ?
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50[00:24:15] <teatime> gvo: did that work?
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93[00:54:50] <darkhanb> Can gcc 4.8+ be installed on Debian 7
(Wheezy)?
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94[00:55:09] <darkhanb> preferably via some apt-get package?
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96[00:57:58] <teatime> darkhanb: weezy has 4.7.2 (or 4.6.3)...
weezy-backports doesn't have gcc (as you'd expect for the
most part)... so, I'm gonna say it doesn't sound likely
the answer to your question is "yes".
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97[00:58:18] <teatime> darkhanb: since it's gcc in
particular, also makes that less likely to work out.
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99[01:00:06] <teatime> darkhanb: the next stable (jessie) has
4.9.2... there may have been some point there where someone had a
weezy-compatible package containing gcc 4.8, and such a package may
possibly have even made it to sid or unstable at some point... but
probably not. and you might never find it :)
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100[01:00:19] <teatime> darkhanb: there's no official or
supported way, definitely not.
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103[01:01:08] <teatime> darkhanb: if you only need it to compile
one specific thing (developed or 3rd-party app, for example), I
don't see why you can't download and build gcc, use it for
that, and just not install it as the "system" gcc.
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107[01:01:30] <darkhanb> teatime thanks for the answer, why do
you say: since it's gcc in particular, makes that less likely
to work out?
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109[01:02:26] <teatime> darkhanb: gcc versions have to be kept,
to a large degree (but not always 100%), in lock-step with kernel,
libc, etc. versions.
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110[01:03:06] <darkhanb> teatime is compiling a newer version
gcc system-wide is dangerous?
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111[01:03:17] <teatime> darkhanb: upgrading gcc, probably
implies upgrading the kernel and libc, and those kinds of upgrades
happen most naturally in debian, by migrating to the new
distribution.
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113[01:04:14] <teatime> darkhanb: compiling it, and even using
it to build your app, is not dangerous. installing it... not
dangerous exactly... I mean you don't need a working compiler
to install binary .deb package...
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115[01:05:53] <teatime> darkhanb: but perhaps if you have a
-dkms package, that needs to re-compile a kernel module whenever you
install a new kernel version... perhaps gcc 4.8 is not supported for
building the linux kernel version that's in weezy. (each kernel
has a usually fairly specific/narrow version of gcc it 'works
with'). As an example of what might break.
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116[01:06:40] <darkhanb> teatime wow, I see, pretty low level
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118[01:06:48] <teatime> darkhanb: and also gcc 4.8 may require
newer versions of things than what you have installed on weezy.
you'd have to check that (you have to check this anyway if you
use my idea) yourself reading the gcc 4.8 docs/README/INSTALL
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119[01:06:50] <mrjayribs> So i'm having some NM problems
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121[01:07:30] <darkhanb> teatime well, I guess, I'll have
to do wheezy => jessie migration
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122[01:07:39] <darkhanb> teatime thanks for responses
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123[01:07:42] <mrjayribs>
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124[01:07:52] <teatime> darkhanb: np. that is certainly most
advisable, whenever possible :)
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126[01:07:58] <mrjayribs> This all started trying to get access
to my companies VPN T_T
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127[01:08:19] <mrjayribs> I wonder if anyone could help me :)
(pretty please, let the karma Gods praise you)
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131[01:09:19] <teatime> mrjayribs: looks to me like you probably
have a syntax error in /etc/network/interfaces
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132[01:09:35] <mrjayribs> Interesting
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134[01:10:21] <mrjayribs> I believe that happened with Docker
when I installed or removed it
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136[01:10:25] <teatime> mrjayribs: where were you working to
configure VPN? I don't tbh know exactly what 'ifup
--read-interfaces' does, think it's an internal-use option
even (it's not in ifup man-page).
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138[01:11:10] <teatime> mrjayribs: can you run as root:
/sbin/ifup -a --read-environment ; echo $?
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140[01:12:06] <mrjayribs> I'm running it as root in the man
user
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141[01:12:10] <teatime> mrjayribs: looks like it's actually
more about /etc/default/networking ... have you edited that and
introduced errors?
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142[01:12:56] <mrjayribs> No I haven't
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143[01:13:43] <teatime> there's probably more helpful
messages in other logs (`journalctl`). in the meantime, I'll do
a little research about this.
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145[01:14:27] <teatime> mrjayribs: (by the way, docker-ce
managed to hose my networking in a stupid way when I installed it,
too. not this issue. but enough for me to say, if that broke your
debian I am unsurprised, sigh.)
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148[01:15:49] <teatime> mrjayribs: what I meant was, what are
you doing / using / etc., when you are configuring the vpn?
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150[01:16:16] <teatime> mrjayribs: I'm assuming the error
you pastebin'd, is what you're now getting on boot, and
your system is broken. right?
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152[01:16:26] <mrjayribs> Well a little
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154[01:16:33] <mrjayribs> I may need to get another install or
sometihng
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155[01:16:43] <mrjayribs> but let me show you what got printed
with first command
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159[01:17:50] <mrjayribs>
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161[01:18:09] <mrjayribs> teatime: yeah I wouldn't be
surpised either lol
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162[01:18:22] <mrjayribs> I ripped it off my computer thinking
it caused a connetivity issue with this VPN
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163[01:18:31] <mrjayribs> which looks to connect properly; yet I
have no issue
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165[01:18:42] <mrjayribs> Network Manger never worked well on
this laptop; so I used wicd
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167[01:18:53] <mrjayribs> someone at from work said that's
old and doesn't work
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168[01:19:22] <mrjayribs> so I wanted to use NM; and the only
way I can talk right now was use dhclient (which I just read off a
forum somewhere)
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171[01:20:05] <mrjayribs> Oh and for the OpenVPN config
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173[01:20:11] <mrjayribs> getting the log...
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174[01:20:37] <teatime> mrjayribs: because of the way you
redirected my command to tb, it actually doesn't show me all
the output.
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175[01:20:59] <mrjayribs> oh sorry
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176[01:22:08] <teatime> mrjayribs: it looks like perhaps the
problem is that a configuration exists in /etc/networking/interfaces
(or /etc/default/networking) but that device doesn't actually
exist. relating to a device named enp0s31f6
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177[01:22:10] <mrjayribs>
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178[01:22:30] <mrjayribs> yeah how can I make sure it uses the
right device?
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179[01:22:41] <mrjayribs> which is believe is enp0s25:
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180[01:22:42] <teatime> mrjayribs: it would be extremely helpful
to know exactly when you started having problems / what you did that
first introduced the problem.
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182[01:22:51] <mrjayribs> Oh okay
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183[01:22:54] <mrjayribs> So
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184[01:22:59] <teatime> mrjayribs: how to make sure what uses
the right device?
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185[01:23:26] <mrjayribs> So right now there's a quite a
bit of layered of problems. Let me try to lay it out now...
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193[01:24:17] <teatime> mrjayribs: (lol. thank you for fixing
the paste, but actually termbin.com is fine (dpaste is preferred
here, pastebin is bad), it is the fact that the command ends in
'| tb' that is hiding information from me, though.)
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195[01:24:44] <mrjayribs> oh okay gotcha
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196[01:24:47] <teatime> mrjayribs: that redirects the stdout (to
tb), and then prints the stderr (which you copy-pasted?). I would
like to see both.
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197[01:24:52] <mrjayribs> thanks for the advice
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202[01:27:17] <mrjayribs> Summary: I need to get connected to a
VPN so I can work remotely with my company.
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203[01:27:18] <mrjayribs> Problem A: When I connect to the VPN,
I don't have access to the internet. The VPN shows a proper
connection, confirmed by 3 people at my company.
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204[01:27:18] <mrjayribs> Problem B: I used wicd to connect to
my internet, which I thus remove.
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205[01:27:18] <mrjayribs> Problem C: I wanted to use Network
Manager, with the idea that this is how OpenVPN wanted to connect,
and the wicd is old (according to members at work)
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206[01:27:18] <mrjayribs> Bonus Troubleshooting step: we thought
Docker may have cause d some config issue, which I then removed. I
also changed the /etc/resolv.conf to at NS of 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4
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208[01:27:37] <teatime> heh
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210[01:28:00] <mrjayribs> O_o
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211[01:28:02] <mrjayribs> sorry
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212[01:28:11] <teatime> mrjayribs: np, understood. continue.
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213[01:28:25] <mrjayribs> So what did you see; idk when I got
booted
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215[01:28:35] <teatime> up to the 'Bonus
Troubleshooting' line
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217[01:29:06] <mrjayribs> So you saw the fact that I changed NS
and removed Docker/
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218[01:29:19] <teatime> up to the 'Bonus
Troubleshooting' lineyes
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219[01:29:21] <teatime> er, yes.
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220[01:29:23] <teatime> so your internet was working, with wicd.
although you've since uninstalled that, and tried or are trying
to install NetworkManager. and you removed docker. am I
understanding correct?
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221[01:29:25] <mrjayribs> okay; that was all
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222[01:29:46] <mrjayribs> correct! Yes I'm trying to get NM
to work now; as the only way I'm getting connect is with
dhclient
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223[01:30:02] <teatime> but you *are* able to, manually, get
your laptop online, and internet works... and then you can VPN
connect, and VPN works... but at that point, internet no longer
works.
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224[01:30:06] <teatime> yes?
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226[01:30:32] <mrjayribs> Correct!
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228[01:31:23] <teatime> ok, so. I think the reason you
can't internet when you VPN, is probably a VPN configuration
problem (specifically for more info: you need 'split
tunneling' OR a default route through the VPN)
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229[01:31:41] <teatime> mrjayribs: but the correct next step
forward for you, is to fix/correct NetworkManager first
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230[01:32:17] <mrjayribs> I agree. I find this necessory for
when my laptop comes out of my home network and I have to find other
networks
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232[01:32:21] <teatime> mrjayribs: (which I think you can then
do the VPN config graphically through NetworkManager)
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233[01:32:39] <mrjayribs> I've also heard this as well;
there's gnome package for OpenVPN
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235[01:32:50] <teatime> mrjayribs: ok, so the real support
question is: I removed wicd and am having trouble getting
NetworkManager installed and working.
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237[01:33:01] <mrjayribs> Correct!
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240[01:35:03] <mrjayribs> Okay so where can I start? Any forums
or guides?
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241[01:35:08] <teatime> mrjayribs: are any interfaces
(particularly enp0s31f6) defined in /etc/network/interfaces ? or can
you just termbin that file for me please, and your
/etc/default/networking please, and also the output of 'ip link
show' ('ip link show | tb' will be fine)
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243[01:35:34] <mrjayribs> oh hey
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247[01:36:23] <mrjayribs>
replaced-url
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249[01:38:35] <teatime> mrjayribs: you will want to install
these packages: network-manager network-manager-gnome
network-manager-openvpn network-manager-openvpn-gnome (I *think*
those are the right ones for your case.)
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250[01:39:13] <teatime> mrjayribs: I will wait for you to
'ip link show | tb' before I continue
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251[01:40:34] <mrjayribs> okay
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254[01:41:23] <teatime> (also if I said dpaste was preferred
here earlier, that was a mental slip,
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255[01:41:40] <RoyK> teatime: tb?
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257[01:42:07] <teatime> RoyK: an alias or something he seems to
have setup that works like pastebinit except to termbin.com (which
btw is a nice & easy to use pastebin)
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258[01:42:44] <mrjayribs> Okay I installed; and yeah it's
an alias
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259[01:42:47] <RoyK> teatime: a local alias for something
isn't good advice for someone else ;)
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260[01:42:53] <teatime> RoyK: it's probably defined as
'nc termbin.com 9999' which is all you need to remember to
not need pastebinit, which is why termbin is nice :)
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262[01:43:38] <RoyK> teatime: just don't post unusable
commands as advices
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264[01:43:54] <teatime> RoyK: Luckily, I am giving advice to
*him*, who *does* know what I mean./
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268[01:44:56] <RoyK> and again, not so luckily, you were
answered by me, who has been in the linux game for 25 years and
knows what matters, so please stick to the normal commands
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269[01:45:22] <teatime> RoyK: if you want to discuss this
further, I will in -offtopic. I didn't do anything wrong
afaict.
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272[01:45:41] <mrjayribs> and teatimeyou're right
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274[01:45:56] <teatime> mrjayribs: anyway. the last two lines of
/etc/network/interfaces are your immediate problem. as I said first
thing :) you have a device defined that doesn't really exist.
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275[01:46:04] <mrjayribs> yessir
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276[01:46:16] * RoyK does a small "alias
jhaisudhaisudh=pastebinit" and asks teatime to do a command |
jhaisudhaisudh
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277[01:46:17] <teatime> mrjayribs: remove the last 3 lines from
/etc/network/interfaces , install the packages I listed, let me know
if it doesn't all Just Work™ after that.
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278[01:46:19] <mrjayribs> how do i make sure on I use the right
devic
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280[01:47:01] <teatime> mrjayribs: you actually don't need
to care / configure the device name, when you're using
network-manager.
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282[01:47:07] <RoyK> !tb
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283[01:47:07] <dpkg> i guess tb is TeraByte!
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284[01:47:13] <teatime> RoyK: off-topic
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286[01:47:15] <mrjayribs> I see
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287[01:47:23] <RoyK> teatime: you are off-topic
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290[01:47:39] <teatime> I am trying to help mrjayribs fix his
system, RoyK.
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292[01:48:01] <mrjayribs> :D
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293[01:48:05] <teatime> mrjayribs: I don't know how that
device got into your /etc/network/interfaces file; you must have
done it manually at some point? Or *maybe* docker install did it...
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294[01:48:20] <mrjayribs> ah it restarted properly!
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296[01:48:46] <mrjayribs>
replaced-url
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297[01:48:47] <mrjayribs> !!!
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298[01:48:47] <dpkg> I'm not your csh prompt!
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299[01:48:55] <teatime> mrjayribs: if the device name changed at
some point, would partially explain this. but that isn't
supposed to happen. unless you like physically swapped network
cards.
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302[01:49:11] <mrjayribs> It actually did; I used to have a
ThinkPenguin USB
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303[01:49:17] <teatime> welp there you go.
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305[01:49:28] <mrjayribs> so how do I open the GUI for network
manager?
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307[01:50:09] <teatime> mrjayribs: the program is nm-applet (run
that), it is a task-tray icon that you click on to do stuff (like
connect to a wifi network, add a vpn config, etc.)
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308[01:50:25] <teatime> mrjayribs: perhaps reboot first also if
you can just to make sure everything is in a consistent-state
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309[01:51:02] <mrjayribs> good call. I'll back
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416[03:00:36] <fprophet> I'm trying to setup an iptables
rule to block LAN on a pc that is acting as vpn server. The only
thing is my router shares the default gateway with the router url
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417[03:01:08] <fprophet> so when I add the lan addresses I kill
the internet
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418[03:01:38] <fprophet> should I just get a different router?
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426[03:06:38] <limbo_> router URL? They're the same device.
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428[03:07:06] <fprophet> I mean ip I guess
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433[03:10:05] <jfmcarreira> heyy guys
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434[03:10:08] <limbo_> so, you want to block outcoing
connections to your home network, but still allow ones going to the
internet?
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435[03:10:23] <jfmcarreira> how can i add a new application into
debian repositories?
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439[03:12:02] <teatime> fprophet: I understand what you're
wanting, I think. You want the box to have VPN access, and *only* as
much internet access as is required for the VPN to function. a
common configuration.
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444[03:13:52] <teatime> fprophet: The usual way is: Before VPN
connection is turned on, you have a default route via your local
router. When VPN is activated, that changes to 1) the routes needed
to reach your router, and 2) a default route to the internet *via
the VPN* / via a router reachable via VPN
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446[03:13:58] <teatime> that's part of what you ask for /
need, anyway.
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447[03:14:07] <fprophet> teatime: I have tried rules such as
iptables -D OUTPUT -s 10.8.0.0/24 -d 192.168.1.0/24 -j DROP but
these kill all internet access
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448[03:14:16] <teatime> You can't block "everything to
LAN", as you've seen, because that includes
"everything" going to router.
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449[03:14:57] <fprophet> well that's not good because my
router is a pos and I can't risk having someone connect to it
directly or whatever and monkey with settings
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451[03:15:03] <teatime> fprophet: hrm actually maybe ignore me /
take with grain of salt, about the routing. that is common. but
maybe you don't even want them to get to internet via VPN.
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452[03:15:05] <jehorn> Evening
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453[03:15:25] <teatime> fprophet: oh. maybe we have an XY
problem. *Why* do you want to block LAN access?
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454[03:15:54] <fprophet> I don't really want to discuss it
because my isp hasn't even offered a fix
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455[03:16:16] <teatime> fix for what.
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456[03:16:17] <fprophet> but basically you can connect to the
router without much of a password
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457[03:16:45] <fprophet> no firmware solutions, nothing of that
sort
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458[03:16:53] <teatime> Oh, OK; you're not trying to block
access to the LAN; you're trying to block access to your
router's configuration page.
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459[03:17:03] <fprophet> yes
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461[03:17:06] <fprophet> but LAN would be a bonus
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462[03:17:47] <fprophet> but I think I know how to do the LAN
stuff, just not the router issue
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464[03:17:57] <relaxedmyfriend> hi
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465[03:18:25] <teatime> fprophet: this isn't really a
debian-specific issue. I could tell you some more stuff but
it'd be off-topic here, I guess.
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466[03:18:34] <fprophet> butts
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468[03:19:03] <fprophet> guess I'll just get a router for
the router
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469[03:19:25] <relaxedmyfriend> .
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471[03:19:45] <teatime> relaxedmyfriend: Hi. If you have a
debian user support question, just ask.
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472[03:21:20] <teatime> fprophet: you can hit me up in
#debian-offtopic or privmsg if you want.
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474[03:22:20] <relaxedmyfriend> i used debian 9.3 . but its
kernel is 4.9.x . Do you think kernel 4.9.x is stable? according to
kernel releases, 4.9.x is not a LTS supported version.
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478[03:24:04] <teatime> relaxedmyfriend: Debian supports that
kernel, LTS or not from upstream is kinda irrelevant at that point.
You can upgrade to a newer kernel (4.13 or 4.14 or so) from
stretch-backports if you wanted to, but that would be less
"stable", at least for the Debian definition of
"stable".
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480[03:24:37] <epicmetal> it seems to me that 4.9.x is
"longterm"
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481[03:24:40] <teatime> relaxedmyfriend: for an important
server, you have the most stable configuration available. for your
e.g. workstation, if you needed a newer kernel for some reason,
updating to the backports version would be what you'd do.
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482[03:25:19] <Francisco_Marinh> I noticed his incompatibility
with the virtualbox
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484[03:26:28] <teatime>
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488[03:27:27] <relaxedmyfriend> to be honest, in my workstation,
i still use kernel 4.4.x right now. but in my virtualbox or my own
compiled Linux, i used kernel 4.9.x +
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490[03:27:47] <relaxedmyfriend> for server, i use 4.10.x
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491[03:28:37] <teatime> relaxedmyfriend: the real answer to your
question is, old versions of software on debian stable are fine,
because debian backports security fixes (and very critical bug
fixes) to their "old" versions in stable.
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493[03:29:21] <relaxedmyfriend> teatime, thx. so old kernel from
a stable debian will be maintained always right?
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494[03:29:46] <teatime> relaxedmyfriend: for as long as stable
is maintained, anyway. it does eventually become oldstable and then
go out of support.
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498[03:30:59] <relaxedmyfriend> teatime, how long will a release
of debian be supported? ( ubuntu maintains a LTS version for 5 years
usually )
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499[03:33:14] <teatime> relaxedmyfriend: see
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500[03:33:46] <teatime> relaxedmyfriend: typically, ignoring
Debian LTS, a stable is supported for about 3 years.
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505[03:37:00] <Guest94> has anyone had luck with vfio and GPU
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530[04:00:49] <epicmetal> Howcome d-i has daily netinst
snapshots but no weekly ones?
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532[04:01:38] <epicmetal> Not that it really matters, nevermind
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533[04:01:39] <teatime> epicmetal: what would be the point?
it's a weekly snapshot if day-of-week % 7 == 0.
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535[04:02:41] <somiaj> epicmetal:
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536[04:03:58] <somiaj> epicmetal: oh I see, you mean why
don't they put the new d-i on there? My guess is the weekyl
snapshots are meant to be more installable for testing, so they use
the stable d-i, and only test the new d-i on the daily snapshots.
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537[04:04:29] <somiaj> the testing d-i can sometimes be rough to
use.
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539[04:06:49] <teatime> oh. sounds like I was wrong :)
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550[04:15:40] <kabo> Hi, I'm running debian buster with
gnome, and I've edited /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/us to add a
custom variant
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551[04:16:06] <kabo> How do I make that custom varian show up
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556[04:17:05] <kabo> I've tried sudo systemctl restart
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559[04:17:47] <kabo> I've tried logging out and back in
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561[04:18:21] <kabo> Is there some gnome command I need to run
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565[04:27:46] <kabo> Ah, I edited
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586[04:49:45] <DerLGm> For some reason I can't get past
login screen...
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589[04:50:11] <DerLGm> I have access to one tty
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592[04:50:38] <DerLGm> But I camt save anything...
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593[04:51:04] <annadane> what do you mean by save?
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594[04:51:06] <DerLGm> Vim says "e297: write error in swap
file"
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595[04:51:28] <annadane> can't get past login screen to
your debian desktop?
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596[04:51:28] <DerLGm> annadane: I can't save a file or
make a folder
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597[04:51:35] <DerLGm> annadane: correct
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599[04:51:59] <themill> How are you running vim if you
can't log in? I think some details might help
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600[04:52:45] <themill> (what release, how did you install and
when, has it ever worked, what might have changed recently to break
it)
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601[04:52:56] <DerLGm> Gui login not working. Screen goes black
and reloads login
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602[04:53:13] <DerLGm> Terminal works fine but can't save a
file
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603[04:53:28] <DerLGm> It was working fine the other day...
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605[04:54:19] <DerLGm> Running 4.9.0-4 kernel
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606[04:54:22] <DerLGm> P
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609[04:54:49] <DerLGm> 9.3 stretch
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625[05:05:52] <themill> DerLGm: does "mount" indicate
that filesystems are readonly?
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629[05:07:06] <DerLGm> themill: it's all rw
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630[05:07:34] <DerLGm> Re,noexec,relatime
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634[05:16:55] <DerLGm> Solved it. Boot drive was taking up too
much space with unused kernel
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638[05:18:11] <annadane> iirc you're still a kernel behind,
i may be wrong
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639[05:18:16] <annadane> ,kernels
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640[05:18:17] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.15.0-rc8-686 (4.15~rc8-1~exp1); sid:
4.14.0-3-686-pae (4.14.13-1); buster: 4.14.0-2-686-pae (4.14.7-1);
stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.14.13-1~bpo9+1);
stretch: 4.9.0-5-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports:
4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie:
3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
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641[05:18:18] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3)
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642[05:18:44] <annadane> yeah, consider upgrading, i believe
4.9.0-5 is the meltdown fix
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643[05:18:59] <roxma>
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646[05:19:21] <DerLGm> annadane: that was the problem lol
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647[05:19:32] <roxma> Hi, any idea why tzdata doesn't
respect the values in debconf-set-selections?
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648[05:19:38] <DerLGm> The kernel I was configuring took up too
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650[05:22:56] <themill> roxma: when a package is already
installed, the current configuration is relevant and debconf is not;
debconf is not a registry
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658[05:24:51] <themill> roxma: removing /etc/timezone prior to
running dpkg-reconfigure should work
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660[05:26:27] <themill> (or just create /etc/timezone and
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666[05:28:48] <rue_shop4> anyone know a window manager with a
minimize button on the window header?
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667[05:29:51] <rue_shop4> ANYONE!?!?! I need a minimize
button!!!!
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669[05:30:39] <annadane> i assume you're on GNOME;
it's in the GNOME tweak tool or whatever it's called
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670[05:30:40] <rue_shop4> why isn't window manager under
settings?
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672[05:31:33] <annadane> though if you do want an entirely
different window manager i guess openbox
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673[05:31:57] <rue_shop4> ok
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675[05:32:37] <annadane> ,v gnome-tweak-tool
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676[05:32:38] <judd> Package: gnome-tweak-tool on amd64 --
wheezy: 3.4.0.1-2; jessie: 3.14.2-2; stretch: 3.22.0-1; buster:
3.26.4-1; sid: 3.26.4-1
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678[05:33:03] <annadane> so install that if it's not
already, at least i think you need that for those buttons
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680[05:33:27] <rue_shop4> there is no option to add restore and
minimize in gnome-tweak-tool
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681[05:33:55] <annadane> oh maybe it's in gnome extensions
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682[05:34:01] <rue_shop4> :/
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683[05:34:15] <rue_shop4> openbox eh?
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684[05:34:39] <rue_shop4> I'm gonna fill this drive up with
hopeless window managers
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689[05:35:15] <annadane> i know of no other de/wm other than
gnome which hides the minimize by default so yeah, take your pick,
openbox is quite nice, there's a nice list onreplaced-url
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690[05:35:21] <rue_shop4> if people like your software package,
why would you change everything about it?
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692[05:36:01] <rue_shop4> ahh, openbox works
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693[05:36:05] <rue_shop4> thanks :)
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694[05:36:30] * rue_shop4 has his stress-level drop by 10 points
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697[05:37:14] <Epx998> What tftp software is regarded as the
'best' ? Been tinkering with a few, cant seem to decide.
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698[05:37:19] <annadane> it's certainly not intuitive;
debian would be well served by having something like xfce as default
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700[05:37:44] <rue_shop4> som, how the heck do I make openbox
the default wm?
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702[05:37:59] <annadane> you should be able to select it on your
login screen
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703[05:38:00] <Epx998> gui's are overrated ;D
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704[05:38:13] <annadane> and it will remember the preference
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705[05:38:16] <rue_shop4> Epx998, ++
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706[05:38:27] <dsareoan32> are you using a dm?
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707[05:38:41] <rue_shop4> I cant recall how this machine is
broken
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708[05:39:02] <rue_shop4> I tend to take large hammers to debain
installs, figuritivly
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711[05:39:29] <rue_shop4> :( I blew up my $5 chineese power
converter
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712[05:40:39] <Epx998> am i in the wrong channel to ask about
tftp servers?
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714[05:40:53] <dsareoan32> is debian the best for anynomity or
can the same be done with any distro? I see that debian provides
onion services.
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717[05:42:59] <themill> dsareoan32: tails is probably the leader
in that space
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719[05:44:19] <Epx998> turn off all your devices for anonymity
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721[05:46:05] <dsareoan32> themill, Epx998 thanks ;^)
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733[05:57:58] <annadane> sorry, ifconfig is part of which debian
package again?
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734[05:58:30] <themill> net-tools
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735[05:58:37] <annadane> right, thanks
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750[06:06:13] <awal1> ifconfig is being deprecated in favor of
ip, annadane
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752[06:07:42] <awal1> something like xorg vs wayland
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755[06:11:12] <teatime> ugh, is xorg really on the edge of being
considered obsolete/deprecated?
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756[06:11:25] <teatime> I will not enjoy that future.
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757[06:11:40] <annadane> i wouldn't say so
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758[06:11:57] <annadane> wayland is still fairly young and in
any case x is probably supported for a long time
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760[06:12:02] <annadane> but i'm really not sure
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767[06:15:04] <awal1> xorg replaced completely by wayland? not
in the near future
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769[06:17:08] <awal1> xorg devs are almost the ones who are
working in wayland project
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770[06:17:19] <awal1> the same one ^
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771[06:17:22] <awal1> ones
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774[06:18:32] <awal1> teatime, you'll enjoy wayland just as
you ar eenjoying systemd now :P
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776[06:19:11] <teatime> awal1: exactly :(
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779[06:19:32] <awal1> at the beginning systemd was the bad boy,
now almost all gnu/linux users likes it/are indifferent, they just
wanna a working system
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780[06:19:46] <onlyabyte> Just a reminder to any maintainers
here that there is an error with
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781[06:19:51] <awal1> will be same for wayland
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784[06:20:15] <annadane> that link doesn't work
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785[06:20:19] <onlyabyte> Exactly
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786[06:20:35] <onlyabyte> It should but it doesn't, my
package manager can't install that package
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787[06:20:45] <teatime> I'm far from over/indifferent to
the systemd thing. but I guess that's already done enough
damage to Debian without another discussion about it here, now.
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788[06:20:47] <onlyabyte> should I try a different mirror?
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789[06:20:54] <annadane> well, can you post your output to
paste.debian.net? and yeah, maybe try another mirror
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791[06:21:22] <annadane> i have xfce4 on sid though i installed
it some days ago
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792[06:21:51] <awal1> onlyabyte, try a redirector,
deb.debian.org or httpredir.debian.org
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793[06:22:01] <onlyabyte> It says "Waiting for
headers" essentially
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794[06:22:08] <annadane> yeah or a redirector
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796[06:22:13] <onlyabyte> cheers
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797[06:22:15] <annadane> though deb.debian.org isn't
without problems
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798[06:22:26] <annadane>
replaced-url
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800[06:22:30] <awal1> not sure, but i think hhttpredir in no
longer "the default" on stretch?
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801[06:22:39] <awal1> on/in
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802[06:22:39] <annadane> not sure
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804[06:24:31] <teatime> annadane: his link works fine for me ?
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805[06:25:18] <annadane> i get internal server error
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806[06:25:20] <awal1> Internal Server Error Apache Server at
packages.debian.org Port 443
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808[06:26:11] <teatime> works here. so, yeah, I guess
inconsistent mirrors or something?
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809[06:26:26] <onlyabyte> yea
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810[06:26:27] <teatime> this is the URL I am talking about:
replaced-url
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811[06:26:36] <onlyabyte> I emailed webmaster
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812[06:26:55] <annadane> well okay, that one works
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814[06:27:20] <annadane> anyway, libx265-146 doesn't exist
in stretch;
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815[06:27:42] <onlyabyte> I'm trying to use Sid
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816[06:27:44] <teatime> oh sorry, thought that was the link you
said was broken
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817[06:27:46] <onlyabyte> I am already on Sid
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818[06:27:58] <onlyabyte> :)
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819[06:27:59] <annadane> oh, right, you did say so
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820[06:28:16] <onlyabyte> I'm just trying random mirrors
now
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821[06:28:49] <onlyabyte> no luck so far :/
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822[06:28:57] <teatime> onlyabyte: support for testing and sid
is in #debian-next fwiw
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824[06:29:07] <onlyabyte> is this stable support?
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825[06:29:10] <teatime> yeah
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826[06:29:16] <onlyabyte> ah, cheers
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827[06:29:32] <annadane> it's support for debian stable,
how mentally stable the supporters are is another question
entirely...
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828[06:29:51] <onlyabyte> hahaha
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829[06:31:01] <teatime> onlyabyte: oh, which is on OFTC btw, not
Freenode.
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831[06:31:25] <onlyabyte> Thanks for letting me know, it was
saying about being invited.
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832[06:31:43] <annadane> !debian-next
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833[06:31:43] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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834[06:31:44] <annadane> ;)
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835[06:31:53] <teatime> lol
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836[06:32:06] <annadane> but for your type of problem it may
well just be a mirror thing and not sid being a broken mess of blah
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837[06:32:26] <teatime> which, if so, it should resolve itself
very shortly
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839[06:32:54] <onlyabyte> fingers crossed
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840[06:33:04] <onlyabyte> Is there a debian off-topic channel?
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841[06:33:07] <teatime> yes
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842[06:33:15] <teatime> #debian-offtopic
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843[06:33:32] <onlyabyte> thanks
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844[06:33:35] <annadane> on both freenode and oftc. :D
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845[06:33:46] <teatime> was gonna say... I suppose there's
two, I'm in the freenode one
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854[06:39:41] <benjr> linux novice here, just turned on a
machine thats been off for over a year, tried to do updates and ive
managed to screw it up, the updates failed and wont work anymore
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856[06:41:16] <annadane> so i don't know the answer to your
problem but by having "stable" in your sources list
you've gone from or are trying to go from jessie to stretch
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857[06:41:25] <annadane> because a year ago jessie was stable
and now stretch is
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858[06:41:34] <awal1> apt-get update first, if not done, benjr
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863[06:43:27] <benjr> awal1: i did update then dist-upgrade,
which errored, now i cant to upgrade or dist-upgrade anymore because
apt is too old or something like that
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867[06:45:08] <awal1>
replaced-url
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869[06:45:40] <annadane> it's in the list of debian mirrors
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870[06:45:46] <annadane> in the US
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871[06:46:22] <benjr> awal1: ive moved countries so i also ran
netselect-apt and it suggested that one
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872[06:46:54] <annadane> benjr, i'll wait for other
opinions but you may want to just reinstall if you accidentally
upgraded from one stable to another without intending it and now
have some kind of borked system
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875[06:47:06] <annadane> though not everyone wants to do that
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877[06:48:03] <awal1> benjr, not sure what happens there, since
we ignore what you did previously...
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878[06:48:40] <annadane> though if you go that route and want
stretch then just install stretch of course
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885[06:54:05] <benjr> $ cat /etc/debian_version returns 9.3 ...
im going to guess thats only because i tried to do dist-upgrade
right?
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886[06:54:16] <benjr> i dont actually know what version i had
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890[06:55:10] <annadane> if it's been off for over a year
you most definitely went from some release to the new stable, having
"stable" in your sources list instead of the codename
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891[06:55:17] <onlyabyte> now I can't get libxvidcore4
installed
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892[06:55:23] <onlyabyte> sigh
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893[06:55:36] <annadane> onlyabyte, again, post your output; if
you're on sid it might be a transition thing
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894[06:55:50] <onlyabyte> It's in a VM :/
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895[06:55:55] <annadane> !termbin
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896[06:55:55] <dpkg> i heard termbin is you can paste to
termbin.com from terminal via: cat /path/to/file | nc termbin.com
9999
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897[06:55:57] <onlyabyte> that's okay annadane, I'll
fix it. :)
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899[07:01:24] <benjr> oh well, sounds like the solution is over
my head guess ill wipe and reinstall
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900[07:01:43] <annadane> i'd offer to help more but i feel
i'd just make the situation worse
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901[07:01:52] <annadane> reinstalling is easier if you back up
your stuff
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902[07:02:45] <benjr> all my personal data is on separate
drives, itll just be reinstalling and configuring the network
settings and the programs i use
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906[07:04:10] <annadane> and this time if you don't want
unwelcome surprises, use stretch in your sources list instead of
stable
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908[07:04:22] <annadane> which is the default anyway
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914[07:07:42] <vahe> help pls I accidentally did a dd if= iso of
= /dev/sda but after a few seconds as to recover the HDD drive?
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916[07:08:09] <vahe> there critical data
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918[07:08:30] <teatime> vahe: you have... messed up. severely.
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919[07:08:51] <vahe> teatime: how to recover files ?
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921[07:09:06] <vahe> how to check maybe there is something else
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926[07:10:19] <teatime> vahe: well, don't reboot, firstly.
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928[07:10:30] <teatime> as long as linux is still running you
can still get your partition table back
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929[07:11:43] <teatime> which is not your data, but it's
one step into helping you find it, if it still exists
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930[07:12:00] <vahe> is there anywhere else?
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931[07:12:17] <teatime> anywhere else?
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932[07:12:17] <vahe> there is a photo video important
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933[07:12:28] <vahe> OS does not matter
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935[07:12:41] <vahe> I need to recover photos and videos
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937[07:13:51] <teatime> there are apps you can run to find
files, specifically photos and hopefully videos, after such an
accident. assuming they still exist. some or all may have been
destroyed by what you did. and even if not, some of the ones it
finds will be returned corrupted, etc.
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940[07:15:18] <teatime> I can't remember the name of the
specific tool I have in mind... but there's more than one,
maybe newer ones than I know of.
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942[07:16:00] <awal1> testdisk
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943[07:16:22] <awal1> photorec from testdisk may help you, vahe
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945[07:18:06] <teatime> awal1: ah, yes, photorec is exactly what
I was thinking of.
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946[07:18:18] <awal1> :)
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947[07:18:26] <annadane> ,v photorec
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948[07:18:27] <judd> No package named 'photorec' was
found in amd64.
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950[07:18:33] <annadane> ,v testdisk
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951[07:18:34] <judd> Package: testdisk on amd64 -- wheezy:
6.13-1; jessie: 6.14-3+b3; stretch: 7.0-3; buster: 7.0-3+b2; sid:
7.0-3+b2
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952[07:18:57] <awal1> photorec is an utility included in
textdisk pkg
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953[07:19:01] <annadane> though i wonder if you dd'd to the
wrong location whether apt install testdisk would even work
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954[07:19:30] <teatime> annadane: maybe. it depends. depending
on what was at the beginning of his disk, he may not have really
broken anything about the linux system. as long as he doesn't
reboot.
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956[07:19:40] <vahe> awal1: I installed what to do next? apt
install testdisk OK
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957[07:19:42] <teatime> annadane: but usually you use it from a
livecd etc.
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958[07:19:55] <teatime> vahe: read the photorec documentation.
you'll have to learn how to use it yourself.
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959[07:20:01] <awal1> vahe man testdisk
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960[07:20:08] <awal1> man photorec
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961[07:20:22] <vahe> I have now in the eyes of the fog ,
can't read
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962[07:20:23] <annadane> oh, right, live cd
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966[07:21:28] <awal1> you'll need an extra drive
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968[07:23:25] <vahe> awal1: I put the disc on the carrier it is
now as USB flash drive
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973[07:30:13] <awal1> or you can recover to a separate partition
if you are sure your system is bootable , vahe
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975[07:30:49] <awal1> long time I haven't used
testdisk/photorec; not sure about steps, but it is very easy to use
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976[07:31:02] <teatime> well, his system is not bootable, for
sure. you mean "if you're sure you don't need to know
your disk's partition layout". which you don't, for
photorec.
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in a few hours
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980[07:32:06] <awal1> good luck vahe
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1005[08:02:11] <dka> Just a random question, if you would be on a
website of a framework/librarie that look cool, but the domain is
ending with ".vn" , would you download it or would you be
reluctant regarding it's origin ?
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1021[08:12:50] <tw> so it's... not on github?
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1054[08:54:34] <Henry151> hi #debian
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1056[08:54:58] <Henry151> is there anything that ships with
debian that would automatically disable password authentication
after too many bad tries?
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1057[08:55:20] <Henry151> I am running debian on a server and I
had password auth enabled for SSH, and then it suddenly stopped
working
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1061[08:56:20] <teatime> Henry151: installed by default?
don't think so.
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1064[08:56:49] <Henry151> I look in my /var/logs/auth.log and i
see a bunch of failed attempts from unrecognized IP's with
random usernames, like they were trying to break in, guessing
usernames like admin, bot1, cloud, vps, like they are just guessing
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1066[08:57:02] <teatime> Henry151: that's normal, it's
exactly what it looks like
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1069[08:57:27] <teatime> Henry151: that's why it's so
important to use good passwords, if you use passwords
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1070[08:57:31] <Henry151> yeah. but what I can't understand
is why my attempts to log in with password auth stopped working
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1074[09:00:06] <dolapevich> Hello there. I have a requirement to
run a certain process when system is idle. ¿Any idea on how
to do it without hacking around uptime output?
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1076[09:00:12] <Henry151> like, now when I try to ssh from
somewhere that doesn't have the public-key auth setup, instead
of prompting me for a password, it says "Permission denied
(publickey)."
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1077[09:00:54] <Henry151> it's a kimsufi VPS, maybe their
version of debian has something that isn't standard with
debian, that may have disabled it after too many bad attempts?
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1078[09:01:18] <dolapevich> Henry151: Two options. Either you
have more than three keys loaded in you agent and the matching key
is after the fourth, or the remote server is configured to accept
ssh key only and you don't have it.
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1080[09:02:20] <Henry151> dolapevich: that makes sense. However,
as recently as this morning at 10am, I was able to login with
password auth, and now i'm not
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1082[09:02:45] <Henry151> i looked at my /etc/ssh/ssh_config and
/etc/ssh/sshd_config and nothing has been changed there
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1084[09:03:18] <Orfan> make a new folder in /root/
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1085[09:03:26] <Orfan> mkdir.ssh
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1086[09:03:29] <Orfan> cd .ssh
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1087[09:03:30] <dolapevich> Henry151: try ssh -vv to see what the
client is receiving.
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1088[09:03:39] <Orfan> and put here ur rsa
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1091[09:04:34] <dolapevich> Henry151: if you have access to the
receiving server you can copy and modify listening port on
sshd_config and run sshd as sshd -d -f /path/to/sshd_config and see
what is going on at the receiving side.
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1094[09:05:31] <teatime> Henry151: I k,now your problem.
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1098[09:06:01] <teatime> Henry151: "Permission denied
(publickey)." This means it didn't even attempt password
auth.
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1102[09:06:34] <teatime> Henry151: are you ssh'ing from a
host where you *have* a public key, but that public key hasn't
been added to the server, and you're expecting it to ask you
the password?
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1104[09:07:02] <teatime> because, if it finds a public key, it
will not then ask for a password even if the public key does not
work. unless you specifically tell it to.
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1105[09:07:24] <Henry151> teatime: no. I have been able to ssh
from machines that don't have the public key
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1106[09:07:32] <Henry151> i have configured it to allow password
auth
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1107[09:07:38] <teatime> Henry151: You can ssh from machines that
don't have an ssh key setup.
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1108[09:07:45] <Henry151> teatime: yes
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1109[09:07:57] <teatime> Henry151: If you ssh from a machine
where the user you're sshing FROM, DOES have a key, but NOT an
authorized key,
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1110[09:08:01] <teatime> it does exactly what you pasted
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1111[09:08:14] <Henry151> ahh
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1112[09:08:21] <Henry151> maybe i created a key and it is not an
authorized key
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1113[09:08:29] <teatime> unless you explicitly tell ssh command
to ignore the key and use password instead
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1114[09:08:32] <teatime> Henry151: exactly
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1115[09:08:32] <Henry151> and so now it is trying with that key
instead of trying with no key
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1116[09:08:34] <Henry151> ok
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1117[09:08:41] <Henry151> how do i tell it to try with no key?
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1118[09:08:59] <teatime> 1 sec
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1121[09:09:28] <Henry151> i'm looking through my bash
history on the server to see where i may have screwed it up..
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1122[09:09:41] <Henry151> i did this line earlier today while
messing with nginx: openssl req -x509 -nodes -days 365 -newkey
rsa:2048 -keyout /etc/nginx/ssl/nginx.key -out
/etc/nginx/ssl/nginx.crt
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1123[09:09:53] <teatime> Henry151: probably: ssh -o
PreferredAuthentications=keyboard-interactive host.example.com
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1125[09:10:00] <Henry151> i can't imagine that would have
messed anything up
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1126[09:10:08] <teatime> Henry151: correct, that has nothing to
do with SSH keys.
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1128[09:11:16] <teatime> hrm I might be wrong actually
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1129[09:11:22] <Henry151> hmm. the ssh -o etc line there still
spits back "Permission denied (publickey)."
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1131[09:11:35] <dolapevich> I think it is -o
PubkeyAuthentication=no
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1132[09:11:37] <teatime> Henry151: how about: ssh -o
PreferredAuthentications=keyboard-interactive,password -o
PubkeyAuthentication=no host.example.org
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1133[09:12:11] <teatime> I am definitely for the record wrong
about something here, though.
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1135[09:13:32] <velix> Hmm, can anyone please update
replaced-url
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1137[09:13:45] <velix> Is there stretch-backports-sloppy?
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1139[09:15:29] <Henry151> hm
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1141[09:16:03] <Henry151> well it is a mystery to me. The -o
stuff didn't work; I also googled "ssh force password
auth" and tried a couple similar lines
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1142[09:16:06] <Henry151> nothing
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1143[09:16:28] <teatime> ok. my apologies then, I am
mis-remembering something in a bad way.
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1144[09:16:32] <Henry151> but for the moment, my paranoid mind
will rest easier with password auth disabled, so I've disabled
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1145[09:16:46] <Henry151> until I can figure out how to make it
work, no sene in having it enabled
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1149[09:17:09] <Henry151> i just don't grasp what broke it
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1150[09:17:28] <Henry151> maybe kimsufi/OVH has some
safety-feature builtin to their version of debian?
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1151[09:17:51] <teatime> Henry151: perhaps when you added a key
to authorized_keys on the server, that makes the server refuse to do
password auth for that account, even if enabled. although I
didn't think that was the case.
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1153[09:20:29] <teatime> Henry151: if you successfully manage to
force disable keys, it would have started saying
"(keyboard-interactive)" instead of
"(publickey)".
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1154[09:20:45] <teatime> Henry151: the stuff in () in your error
message is the list of authentication methods tried.
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1161[09:25:23] <Rust3dCor3> Hi. I have a monitor that supports
VGA and HDMI. I want to switch to HDMI. I got black screen when
switching modes. The HDMI cable is connected to the GPU. lspci
replaced-url
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1163[09:25:55] <teatime> Rust3dCor3: is there a VGA cable
connected?
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1164[09:26:00] <Rust3dCor3> yes
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1165[09:26:17] <Rust3dCor3> teatime: I'm really doing this
the first time
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1166[09:26:29] <teatime> I mis-read your question anyway.
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1167[09:27:14] <Rust3dCor3> teatime: VGA output is ok. But when i
switch to HDMI output the screen is black. It's not turned off.
Its just black
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1168[09:27:57] <teatime> how do you "switch to HDMI"
exactly, what are you doing?
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1170[09:28:13] <Rust3dCor3> teatime: I push the button on the
monitor
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1173[09:28:32] <teatime> Rust3dCor3: per your xrandr, Linux
thinks your HDMI is disconnected. so that's what you'd
expect to happen.
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1174[09:29:29] <teatime> Rust3dCor3: have you tried just booting
up with the HDMI connected and the VGA disconnected? that will
probably Just Work™, if it otherwise works for you.
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1175[09:30:08] <Rust3dCor3> teatime: I'll try. brb
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1187[09:35:13] <Rust3dCor3> teatime: back. Only on hdmi output I
have black screen even in bios
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1188[09:35:49] <Rust3dCor3> teatime: can my cable/gpu-hdmi-slot
be busted?
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1189[09:36:06] <teatime> Rust3dCor3: heh, I almost asked you if
they were. sure, possible I guess.
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1190[09:36:18] <teatime> Rust3dCor3: I've had similar issues
just from having a buggy monitor etc., though.
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1191[09:36:30] <Rust3dCor3> teatime: I have another hdmi output
on my pc case
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1192[09:36:46] <Rust3dCor3> teatime: and I really have no idea if
it is going to gpu or motherboard
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1193[09:36:59] <teatime> Rust3dCor3: it might be easier if you
had another HDMI-capable monitor to test with
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1195[09:37:08] <teatime> Rust3dCor3: so you could try connecting
both
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1197[09:37:27] <teatime> Rust3dCor3: oh, interesting. well. try
the other one?
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1199[09:37:45] <Rust3dCor3> teatime: also. a part of the hdmi
slot on the gpu is covered by my pc case. dumb design. how deep the
cable must be there to connect?
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1200[09:37:57] <teatime> all the way, presumably..
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1201[09:38:40] <bolt> you can normally shave off parts of the
connector on the cable
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1202[09:38:55] <bolt> there's a lot of plastic around the
metal
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1203[09:38:59] <Rust3dCor3> it's like 2 mm away
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1204[09:39:08] <bolt> don't do this with your only hdmi
cable
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1205[09:39:12] <Rust3dCor3> ok
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1206[09:39:17] <Rust3dCor3> I only have 1 hdmi cable
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1207[09:39:20] <Rust3dCor3> and one monitor
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1209[09:39:33] <vergilzen> Rust3dCor3: or, if you have the
option, get a better case.
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1210[09:39:43] <bolt> that would of course be better
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1211[09:40:05] <Rust3dCor3> the problem is only whit the gpu
slot. everything else is ok
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1212[09:40:12] <bolt> but the cheap route, if it's enough,
would be to shave off the 2mm on the right or left or whatever side
of the connector on the cable
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1213[09:40:54] <bolt> if the case covers the actual hole,
that's of course not an option
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1214[09:40:56] <vergilzen> Right. For some reason I had the
horrible 30+ dollar HDMI cables in my head.
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1216[09:41:46] <bolt> i have a few vga cables that are shaven
like that. only one side with a screw, the other flush with the
metal on the connector
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1219[09:42:38] <Rust3dCor3> damn. the plastic is hard
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1220[09:43:05] <vergilzen> If you have a dremel, it migth help
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1221[09:43:13] <vergilzen> s/migth/might/
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1224[09:44:09] <Rust3dCor3> im lucky that i have a military grade
knife
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1225[09:44:13] <Rust3dCor3> time to cut some fingers
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1239[09:52:55] <Rust3dCor3> fixed
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1240[09:52:56] <Rust3dCor3> hdmi works
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1244[09:53:57] <teatime> Rust3dCor3: just needed plugged all the
way in?
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1245[09:54:35] <Rust3dCor3> fixed
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1247[09:54:37] <Rust3dCor3> hdmi works
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1248[09:54:55] <Rust3dCor3> just removed all the plastic from the
top
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1249[09:55:02] <Rust3dCor3> and plug it in way in
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1251[09:56:28] <Rust3dCor3> now i got constant mesage about
"Display: 2. Samsung Electric Company 24" " and he
resolutian also there ... all the time
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1279[10:19:50] <xochilpili> hi all
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1280[10:20:19] <xochilpili> i have a 2tb hd disk, how can i
create 2 lvm partitions of 1tb each in the same hd?
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1290[10:25:48] <dolapevich> xochilpili: asuming you hdd is at
/dev/sdb, pvcreate /dev/sdb && vgcreate mynicevg /dev/sdb
&& lvcreate -n nicevol00 -L 500G mynicevg &&
lvcreate -n nicevol01 -L 500G mynicevg
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1291[10:25:55] <dolapevich> that would do.
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1292[10:26:09] <dolapevich> sorry, replace 500G with 1T, or the
needed size.
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1293[10:26:38] <dolapevich> you do not need partitions, that is
the nice thing about lvm
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1294[10:27:44] <teatime> although if you really did mean
partitions, lvm can do that too, because it's super nice
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1295[10:28:07] <dolapevich> Agreed.
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1308[10:38:30] <erkana> Hello guys, is this a good place to ask a
few questions about debian installation?
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1310[10:39:19] <erkana> "/msg dpkg guidelines"
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1312[10:39:42] <eck> dont ask to ask, just ask
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1313[10:41:37] <erkana> I tried gnome live version and noticed
wifi wasn't detected, using intel 3165, do I have to install
3rd party driver for it to work?
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1314[10:42:08] <erkana> second question is, what repo's ppl
add after installing?
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1317[10:42:22] <xochilpili> hi all
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1318[10:42:22] <eck> i would expect intel wifi to work out of the
box
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1319[10:42:25] <eck> erkana:
replaced-url
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1320[10:42:32] <eck> that has instructions to install the
firmware
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1322[10:43:03] <eck> the issue is the firmware is you need to
enable the non-free repos because the firmware isn't free
software
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1323[10:43:30] <velix> Does "dget -x
replaced-url
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1325[10:43:49] <xochilpili> im trying to mount a hd partition
using fstab (but i want to set permissions to me) i have /dev/sdb1
/mnt/data ext4 rw,user,exec,umask=000 0 0 (but got an error) if i
remove umask works, but touch /mnt/data/sample (from my user) got
permission denied
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1326[10:44:16] <xochilpili> i dont want to use chmod +w ... just
from fstab, is that possible ?
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1328[10:44:57] <babilen> dpkg: firmware image
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1329[10:44:57] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD
installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are
available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See
replaced-url
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1331[10:45:07] <babilen> erkana: Note that you can get installer
images with firmware ^^^
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1332[10:45:27] <babilen> (and don't use the live image for
installations)
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1333[10:45:34] <clone23> ever try antix
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1335[10:46:17] <clone23> or endless
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1336[10:46:41] <bolt> what does this mean? "WPA: event 2
notification" (from hostapd)
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1337[10:46:46] <babilen> erkana: You also shouldn't have to
add any additional repositories. Might want to read
replaced-url
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1338[10:46:55] <erkana> thanks for the answers, 3rd question will
be a bit noobie, maybe annoying sorry for that: why should i choose
debian over ubuntu? or why you choose it?
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1341[10:47:38] <eck> bolt: probably harmless, but that would be a
better question for the hostapd developers
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1342[10:48:06] <babilen> erkana: Debian has been around for a
long time, is easy to upgrade, technically excellent and the
community is amazing.
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1343[10:49:15] <eck> i use debian because it's a lot more
stable than ubuntu
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1344[10:49:32] <eck> and a lot of the stuff in ubuntu is actually
backported from debian anyway
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1346[10:52:57] <misty5> hi
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1349[10:53:23] <misty5> last time I used debian and ubuntu
apt-get was what you'd use to update things. But that has
changed now?
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1351[10:53:52] <eck> nope, nor has it changed in the last 20
years
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1352[10:54:10] <misty5> "use apt instead" I've
heard
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1354[10:54:16] <misty5> or "use aptitude" or something
like that
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1355[10:54:20] <eck> they're equivalent
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1356[10:54:24] <eck> well
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1357[10:54:32] <eck> apt and apt-get are equivalent, apt just has
a slightly different output format
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1359[10:54:42] <eck> aptitude is a little different
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1362[10:55:36] <erkana> aright thanks :)
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1363[10:55:55] <eck> i use apt-get because i'm old and fear
change
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1366[10:59:28] <erkana> is it possible to completely power off
discrete graphics card on nvidia optimus based notebooks
(unfortunately there is no such an option in bios)
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1370[10:59:57] <eck> weird that there's no bios option
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1371[11:00:27] <eck> i don't know for sure but my guess
would be if the nvidia kernel module isn't loaded the card
would be powered off
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1372[11:02:01] <misty5> eck: are we supposed to use something
else? or are they doing the same things anyway?
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1373[11:02:09] <misty5> eck: I mean to "get with the
times"
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1374[11:02:17] <eck> use apt
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1375[11:02:40] <eck> i think the only difference between apt-get
and apt is that apt has colorized output by default, and maybe a
more modern looking progress meter
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1376[11:02:54] <eck> so if you're not in the habit of typing
apt-get like me you might as well use that
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1377[11:03:24] <eck> the main advantage of aptitude was that it
tracked unneeded packages, but apt/apt-get do that nowadays
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1378[11:03:50] <pingfloyd> pretty much
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1379[11:04:00] <pingfloyd> and you can use them both without
problems these days too
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1380[11:04:43] <pingfloyd> there was a time when mixing the two
would create problems
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1381[11:04:51] <pingfloyd> mixing usage
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1382[11:05:34] <eck> there are some minor differences with
aptitude like how downgrading works, but as a regular user you are
unlikely to encounter that
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1390[11:09:32] <teatime> eck: apt search is a lot different from
apt-cache search and aptitude search (which are more similar to each
other)
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1391[11:10:06] <eck> the great thing about debian is you have so
many slightly different ways to do exactly the same thing
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1392[11:10:09] <teatime> eck: I usually do 'aptitude
search' because it only searches package names by default. apt
search returns tons of extraneous stuff. however, 'apt
search' *is* better if I don't know the name of the
package I"m looking for
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1394[11:11:07] <teatime> like, I would do 'apt search
dns' to find all kinds of tools and utilities vaguely related
to dns, but I would do 'aptitude search network-manager-'
if I want to see network manager plugins.
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1396[11:13:16] <teatime> eck: and I'd have to also say, the
main advantage of aptitude was always resolving
difficult/conflicting dependencies. or talk about how much stuff you
can search/query with it. but I guess I'm a bit of a fanboy.
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1398[11:13:55] <eck> i just use packages.debian.org like a
homunculus
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1400[11:17:43] <pingfloyd> its search query is more complicated
than it needs to be
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1401[11:17:57] <teatime> pingfloyd: the website's?
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1402[11:18:01] <pingfloyd> aptitude
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1403[11:18:25] <pingfloyd> I can't remember when I've
ever not been able to find something with apt-cache and/or apt-file
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1404[11:18:26] <teatime> ah. well, it usually takes me a moment
to find the documentation, which I consider required to search for
anything other than package names. so maybe you're right.
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1405[11:18:39] <teatime> but then, it can do tons of stuff you
can't do with any other tool, or at least that I never learned
how to.
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1406[11:18:51] <teatime> I'm sure there's at least 40
apt-* commands I have never ran
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1407[11:18:55] <pingfloyd> yeah, exactly
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1408[11:19:05] <pingfloyd> requires reference unless you've
used it religiously for ages
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1410[11:19:23] <pingfloyd> apt-cache narrows it down enough
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1411[11:19:32] <pingfloyd> and from there you can alway pipe
through grep
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1412[11:19:36] <teatime> pingfloyd: like, one that immediately
springs to mind, is aptitude search "~o"
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1413[11:19:45] <teatime> show packages that are installed but not
available from any configured repo
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1418[11:20:54] <pingfloyd> the funny thing is I started off with
aptitude
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1419[11:21:04] <pingfloyd> read through its long manual way way
back
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1420[11:21:07] <eck> the old ways are the best ways
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1421[11:21:34] <trusty> i agree mate
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1422[11:21:39] <pingfloyd> I think apt-get and friends is
actually the older way
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1423[11:21:46] <pingfloyd> between the two
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1424[11:21:48] <teatime> I do a *lot* of package list / repo /
etc. hacking on both apt and rpm distros though, or used to anyway
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1425[11:22:00] <teatime> pingfloyd: correct, it def. is.
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1428[11:22:42] <teatime> aptitude project probably started just
like the apt one, "Hey, let's make apt-get etc. way more
user-friendly / usable!"
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1429[11:22:55] <pingfloyd> yeah
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1430[11:23:01] <pingfloyd> and add synaptic to that list
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1431[11:23:05] <teatime> ... and now it's over complicated.
lol :)
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1433[11:23:28] <eck> funny how all the debian tools are
completely ossified
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1435[11:23:43] <teatime> although one day some one here tried to
tell me I probably like aptitude because it's more friendly to
windows-type people, lol.
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1436[11:23:45] <pingfloyd> the low levels apt-commands you just
have to know which one you need. They're more inline with unix
tenet
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1438[11:24:05] <eck> the rationale for introducing apt was they
wanted to change the output format of apt-get, but were worried that
there would be shell scripts that depended on the exact output
format
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1442[11:24:35] <eck> meanwhile redhat/fedora has changed up2date,
yum, dnf, etc. without much issue
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1443[11:24:39] <pingfloyd> good, because the apt suite should be
around forever
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1444[11:24:40] <teatime> pingfloyd: aptitude should be in the
toolbox though for un-breaking dependencies apt/apt-get can't
figure out though. at least. it's critical to my workflow, for
that. doing it the other way takes hundreds of times as long or
more.
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1445[11:24:59] <teatime> and I'd say for some
weird/difficult searches too, but perhaps that's more a
personal problem.
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1447[11:25:03] <eck> dpkg should be around forever, i'm not
sure that i agree that the apt-* commands should never be allowed to
change; but of course, that's just my opinion
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1448[11:25:03] <dpkg> eck: You are person #1 to send an
unparseable request
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1450[11:26:10] <eck> e.g. i can't imagine what kind of
monster of a script you'd have where you'd be using
apt-get in interactive mode and not checking the exit status
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1452[11:26:21] <eck> seems like a pretty fringe use case to me
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1453[11:27:48] <pingfloyd> "gdebi pkg" vs "dpkg -i
pkg ; apt-get -f install"
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1455[11:28:22] <eck> TIL about gdebi
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1458[11:29:00] <teatime> isn't there now a syntax for
{apt,apt-get,aptitude} that lets you install a local .deb file +
grab its dependencies from the repos, in one command/step ?
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1460[11:29:10] <teatime> I could swear I found that recently, but
now cannot.
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1461[11:29:21] <pingfloyd> I know there was talk of that
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1462[11:29:32] <teatime> and it's always seemed like
something that should exist.
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1463[11:29:33] <pingfloyd> not sure if at a certain version they
do that or not
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1464[11:29:49] <pingfloyd> I'm still on Jessie
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1465[11:29:55] <eck> sorry to hear that
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1466[11:29:59] <pingfloyd> why?
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1467[11:30:14] <eck> it's so old
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1476[11:46:05] <n4dir> depends what software you use.
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1477[11:47:56] <jesopo> I got a notification from haveibeenpwned
that my email address had appeared in a pastebin. turns out it was
my username@hostname and it was a dump of all the username@hostnames
from this channel
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1478[11:48:10] <jesopo> not sure if that's of interest but
thought I'd mention it
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1481[11:48:39] <jesopo> I narrowed it down to here from whoising
some people to see what channels I shared
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1482[11:48:43] <eck> if you're writing c++ (as i am), it is
very old
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1483[11:48:53] <eck> i need that new new gcc
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1484[11:49:27] <teatime> jesopo: it's essentially public
information already; I assume anything I say here, for example, will
haunt me forever. but I get why you'd pass that info along.
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1485[11:49:51] <jesopo> indeed!
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1486[11:49:53] <jesopo> :)
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1487[11:50:34] <eck> reason #999 to use a mask
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1488[11:50:52] <jesopo> I'm not concerned at all about my
hostname being in that list
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1489[11:51:00] <jesopo> but I can imagine why someone would be.
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1492[11:51:28] <eck> i'm more concerned by the people using
irc clients that give out their full first and last name by default
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1493[11:51:33] <jesopo> true.
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1495[11:51:46] <jesopo> I'm concerned about people having
accounts on computers using their full names
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1497[11:52:01] <teatime> eck: I never put my name into GECOS for
that reason, heh.
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1500[11:52:19] <teatime> and stuff like image editors that put
your user's name into EXIF data, etc.
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1501[11:52:20] <eck> yup
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1503[11:52:30] <eck> GECOS is from a different era
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1504[11:52:58] <eck> back when it made sense to look up the
office number of someone using the same shared unix system as you
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1505[11:53:06] <teatime> I've even started using <a
random letter> for my username, and keeping my clock set to UTC.
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1506[11:53:09] <teatime> that is probably overkill.
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1509[11:54:02] <eck> every once in a while when i'm worried
about that stuff i boot into tails, but that's not too often
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1519[11:58:12] <plop1342> Hi
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1520[11:58:23] <jesopo> teatime: that's a little overkill
but if it makes you feel better, why not?
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1521[11:58:25] <jesopo> :P
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1522[11:58:34] <plop1342> Whatever the timezone, the date
timestamp should be the same in all servers even if one is in US /
France / Australia?
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1523[11:58:46] <plop1342> is that right or wrong?
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1524[11:58:54] <jesopo> plop1342: personal preference
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1525[11:59:08] <plop1342> what is your "date +%s" for
example?
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1527[11:59:15] <teatime> plop1342: not sure what you mean by
"the date timestamp", but individual users can use
whatever TZ they like. and then there's a default one for the
system.
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1528[11:59:37] <plop1342> teatime: I mean "date +%s"
=> that is independant to timezone, or dependant?
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1529[11:59:39] <teatime> plop1342: ah, you mean unix time?
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1530[11:59:42] <plop1342> yes
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1531[11:59:46] <teatime> plop1342: it's UTC, yes.
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1532[11:59:54] <teatime> seconds since 00:00 January 1, 1970 UTC
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1535[12:00:14] <plop1342> teatime: so I should have the same unix
time (integer) than you, whatever the timezone difference between
us?
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1540[12:00:43] <plop1342> on my french based server I have
1516446035
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1541[12:00:48] <jesopo> ah, misunderstanding on my part
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1542[12:01:03] <plop1342> but on my US based VPS I have now
exactly 1516438810
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1545[12:01:44] <plop1342> that's why my question: is the
difference ok because of different TZ, or should the unix time be
the same everywhre in the world at a given t0 ?
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1549[12:03:03] <teatime> %s seconds since 1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
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1550[12:03:18] <teatime> from 'date' manpage. should be
the same everywhere. your clock is wrong in France :)
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1558[12:08:16] <plop1342> it's the one in US which is wrong,
right?
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1560[12:08:40] <plop1342> teatime: is your unix time close to
1516446035 or 1516438810?
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1562[12:09:41] <teatime> plop1342: neither, actually. the first
is closer. they're both off by a good bit.
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1564[12:09:48] <teatime> plop1342: just install ntpdate and run
it on both machines
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1565[12:09:54] <teatime> 'ntpdate time.apple.com' or
whatever
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1568[12:10:06] <plop1342> yeah i did it but the US based one is a
VPS and I get
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1569[12:10:17] <plop1342> date: operation not permitted
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1570[12:10:27] <plop1342> so it seems I have to ask the VPS
provider :/
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1572[12:12:01] <plop1342> Or is there a trick to change date on a
OpenVZ VPS?
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1601[12:23:51] <hundfred> what is the golden way to create a live
debian usb stick with crypted permanent settings?
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1648[12:54:57] <alkisg> hundfred: why don't you just install
debian to a usb stick?
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1661[12:58:18] <mum0l> hi guys! I'm trying to download
current version of the package, but I fail.. Any ideas? (debian
wheezy):
replaced-url
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1662[12:58:45] <gpunk> apt-update ?
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1663[12:58:54] <mum0l> did it before
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1666[13:00:19] <gpunk> can you change mirror ? to test just in
case ...
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1683[13:08:14] <mum0l> gpunk: sadly the same, but I changed only
main repo, I cant find mirror for security.debian.org - and I supose
this package will be there
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1700[13:17:23] <misty5> What exactly is meant by "tunable
filesystem"?
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1725[13:31:10] <gpunk> for example ext FS is tunable: please see
man tune2fs
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1750[13:41:30] <alkisg> mum0l: can you paste the whole output of
apt-cache policy package, instead of also putting | grep?
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1755[13:46:54] <gpunk> !bat
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1756[13:46:54] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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1757[13:46:57] <misty5> gpunk: that's where I got the
tunable word in the first place
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1758[13:47:11] <misty5> I see what they mean, but I think the
choice of word is weird
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1759[13:47:20] <gpunk> why ?
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1763[13:49:46] <gpunk> because it stated wint ext2 ...
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1764[13:49:53] <gpunk> started*
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1773[13:53:57] <teatime> misty5: it makes sense to me, when you
think about how much people talk about tuning system TCP parameters,
tuning a database, etc.
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1774[13:54:03] <mum0l> alkisg: sure -
replaced-url
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1775[13:54:10] <teatime> misty5: same kind of 'large number
of low-level configurables most people never care about'
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1778[13:54:38] <misty5> hmm yeah, maybe
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1779[13:54:49] <misty5> So what does it mean when you mount
something without ACL? Will the ACL rules just be ignored and give
you access?
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1780[13:54:57] <teatime> yes, I beleive so.
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1781[13:55:08] <alkisg> mum0l: the versions you see in the sites
are downloadable. The version you have locally is not (with those
repositories)
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1782[13:55:37] <alkisg> So you can download 3.2.96-2 and
3.2.78-1, with your current sources.list
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1786[13:56:41] <mum0l> alkisg: yeah, and that's the issue ;/
AFAIK last time I run upgrade, but forgot to restart server after
kernel upgrade, and now, new release comes and I want to upgrade it,
but sadly I do not have current kernel in grub, so I am scaried,
that after upgrade in case sth go wrong, I wll have no option to
restore ...
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1788[13:57:18] <alkisg> mum0l: I'm not sure what you mean
"current kernel in grub", if you run `update-grub` it puts
entries there for all kernels
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1789[13:57:26] <alkisg> You don't need the .deb for that
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1791[13:58:56] <mum0l> yeah, but when I run apt-get upgrade, and
install new kernel, the old one will be removed.. that how it was
last time..
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1792[13:59:16] <alkisg> That doesn't sound right...
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1793[13:59:21] <mum0l> this is produciton, so I must be 100% sure
that I've option for recovery
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1794[13:59:35] <mum0l> thats why I wanted to download current
kernel
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1796[14:00:39] <mum0l> also today I google a bit, and find two
options which might helped me - "APT::Get::AutomaticRemove
"0"; and APT::Get::HideAutoRemove "1";" so
I set it up in apt.conf. But still, I am not 100% sure that will
work
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1797[14:00:44] <dvs> mum0l, you can have more than one kernel
installed
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1799[14:01:11] <themill> mum0l: what's the output of
"uname -a"?
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1801[14:01:44] <alkisg> mum0l: if you run `apt-get install
linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64=3.2.89-2`, it gets marked as manually
installed, and it won't ever be autoremoved
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1802[14:01:49] <mum0l> themill: Linux myhost.com 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1
SMP Debian 3.2.88-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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1803[14:02:13] <themill> so that is none of the packages that is
listed there by apt-cache
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1806[14:02:57] <themill> That kernel package has been upgraded to
a newer version (and there are two newer versions beyond that too)
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1810[14:03:59] <mum0l> yeah, so what would you suggest to preform
100% safe kernel upgrade in my case? "safe - I mean to keep
current kernel in grub just in case"
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1812[14:04:49] <dvs> mum0l, install the current kernel, manually,
by it's exact version number.
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1813[14:05:02] <themill> getting it from snapshot.debian.org
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1814[14:05:20] <themill> The kernel package you should be
installing is linux-image-3.2.0-5-amd64, that will leave the -4-
package in place.
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1817[14:05:56] <themill> (You cannot have more than version of a
package installed at the same time; the kernel ABI happened to
change last week amongst all the silliness so there is a different
package name from the latest update)
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1818[14:06:47] <mum0l> dvs: sadly I can't find my currnet
kernel on snapshot.debian.org..
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1820[14:07:38] <themill> mum0l: why not?
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1824[14:08:06] <themill>
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1825[14:08:13] <dvs> mum0l, wallah!
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1827[14:08:46] <dvs> no!
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1829[14:09:01] <mum0l> thanks! I must did some wrong search
before..
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1830[14:09:21] <ecbrown> On stretch, wondering how to change the
gitlab port from 443 to something else...
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1833[14:09:57] <ecbrown> doesn't seem like the config files
are the same as what they would be if installed manually
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1834[14:10:05] <mum0l> so now I just need eto install new kernel
with dpkg -i linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64_3.2.88-1_amd64.deb, and than
run apt-get upgrade, and finally grub-update - yes?
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1835[14:11:00] <dvs> mum0l, no, it's update before upgrade
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1842[14:12:06] <mum0l> dvs: ok, so: dpkg -i
linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64_3.2.88-1_amd64.deb;apt-get update;apt-get
upgrade;grub-update - corrent now?
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1847[14:12:51] <dvs> mum0l, grub-update is automatically run when
you install a kernel package.
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1849[14:13:26] <mum0l> dvs: yeah it should, but previously it was
removing my old kernels, lets see how it goes this time
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1852[14:13:41] <mum0l> and many thanks for your help guys -
appreciate that!
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1853[14:13:44] <themill> mum0l: upgrade is not what you want ehre
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1855[14:14:06] <themill> (not unless you've got something to
stop that particular kernel being upgraded)
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1857[14:14:25] <themill> mum0l: also note that the old kernel is
not being removed, it is being replaced.
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1858[14:14:30] <mum0l> themill: yeah I know, but anyways I need
to upgrade few more packages, so I will do at today @night
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1864[14:19:16] <fakefur> hi guys can you point me at the page
where the status of incoming packages is shown for debian? i have
tried to find it since yesterday but to no avail
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1865[14:19:18] <fakefur> thanks
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1866[14:19:46] <themill> What do you mean by "status"
and "incoming"?
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1868[14:20:16] <themill> What information are you looking for
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1869[14:20:24] <fakefur> themill, there is a package status page
for all packages
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1870[14:20:35] <fakefur> i was on it a week or 2 ago but cannot
find it now
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1871[14:20:43] <themill> define status in a way that doesn't
use the word status....
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1872[14:21:04] <coruja> fakefur,
replaced-url
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1873[14:21:11] <fakefur> themill, what versions are in the build
pipelines and when they will be moved into whatever distro
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1875[14:21:36] <fakefur> coruja, no it was an html page but
thanks
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1876[14:22:09] <themill> fakefur: buildd.debian.org
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1879[14:22:48] <fakefur> themill, no that's not it but
thanks
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1880[14:23:20] <themill> fakefur: perhaps you could explain what
it is you're actually looking for then
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1883[14:23:55] <fakefur> themill, well i wanted to see when the
kernel patches for meltdown and spectre will be in the testing
kernel
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1884[14:24:20] <themill> oh, that's easy
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1885[14:24:32] <themill>
replaced-url
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1886[14:24:48] <themill> asking for what you want is much easier
to answer
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1887[14:25:18] <fakefur> thats the page thanks and yes lesson
learned - thanks
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1888[14:25:21] <fakefur> :)
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1890[14:25:39] <themill> and it's already in testing
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1892[14:26:34] <fakefur> themill, i read a post by GKH who said
there should be a "vulnerabilities" folder in the
/sys/devices/... location
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1893[14:26:44] <fakefur> but it still isn't there in the
latest debian update
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1894[14:26:53] <fakefur> is debian not going to use that method?
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1895[14:27:02] <themill> What kernel are you running?
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1897[14:27:18] <themill> (uname -v)
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1898[14:27:26] <fakefur> 4.14.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.14.13-1
(2018-01-14) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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1899[14:27:30] <fakefur> ooops -a
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1900[14:28:16] <themill> that contains the fixes; that new stuff
in /sys might be 4.15 onwards iirc
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1901[14:28:25] <fakefur> ah ok that makes sense
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1902[14:28:28] <fakefur> thanks again
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2046[15:46:14] <dka> I want to catch the filename in this regexp,
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2066[16:01:37] <n4dir> dka: what is the filename? GandiStandard*
?
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2069[16:03:35] <n4dir> anyway you will probably want
"parameter expansion" or the command "basename"
(but i think some advice against it's usage, and prefer
parameter expansion)
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2082[16:08:47] <uniqdom> Hello, I'm currently using
cryptsetup to encrypt a partition. This package needs to be
installed as it doesn't come in the base system. Is there
another package to encrypt/decrypt partitions that is already in the
base system or it is in Debian LiveCD?
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2090[16:11:52] <n4dir> I don't think there is any encryption
tool for partitions in the base system or the debian live CD,
uniqdom
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2091[16:12:43] <teatime> there is almost nothing in the
"base system". I would be surprised if cryptsetup were
*not* on a livecd, rhought.
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2094[16:13:36] <n4dir> surprises is what debian live is known for
:-)
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2096[16:14:10] <teatime> uniqdom: cryptsetup may technically be
optional, but it's the obvious default thing to use.
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2099[16:15:42] <teatime> uniqdom: like, debian installer can make
encrypted partitions for you, and if you do that, I'm sure you
find cryptsetup on your system afterwards.
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2100[16:15:53] <teatime> I don't remember ever having to
manually install it anywhere.
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2115[16:20:38] <teatime> like, for example, the live-boot and
initramfs-tools packages both depend on cryptsetup. and it looks
like all the kernel packages depend on initramfs-tools. so. if you
have linux installed on your debian system, you'll have
cryptsetup.
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2118[16:21:46] <teatime> hrm, sorry, those don't depend on
it; one suggests it.
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2165[16:46:52] <jfmcarreira> heyyy guys
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2166[16:47:02] <jfmcarreira> how can i add a new application to
debian repositories?
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2177[16:49:30] <n4dir> !rfp
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2178[16:49:30] <dpkg> Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask
for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See
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2192[16:58:30] <DPA> If I want to port debian or a derivate of it
to a different architecture, where can I find Documentation on how
to do such things?
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2195[17:00:46] <n4dir> DPA: you could *try* if debian embedded
has any further links
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2201[17:07:13] <jfmcarreira> i am trying to request for a
package, which I will be willing to package as I am the upstream.
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2203[17:07:31] <jfmcarreira> should this be the email sent:
replaced-url
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2210[17:09:00] <clumsy_boy> hello i have a question, im currently
using KDE Plasma as DE, i want to know how to run a script everytime
i *boot* the computer (not log in), any suggestions? some sites on
the internet say to edit /etc/rc.local, however i dont have this
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2212[17:10:32] <n4dir> jfmcarreira: i don't know more about
RFP stuff. Thing is: I wouldn't hold my breath. If you are
upstream, a better approach might be trying to get in contact with
one of the debian sub-projects (say debian-python, or perl, or
whatever)
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2213[17:10:45] <n4dir> else the bug report might end in
no-mans-land for years.
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2215[17:11:15] <n4dir> did that make any sense? i am tired as
hell (and not a native speaker)
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2216[17:11:36] <jfmcarreira> yeah got it clearly :D
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2219[17:11:46] <jfmcarreira> i should look for such dev
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2221[17:12:05] <n4dir> Yup. Something with direct contact (most
sub-projects have their own channels, i think)
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2222[17:12:32] <n4dir> sending the RFP won't hurt, of
course, but i wouldn't hold my breath
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2226[17:14:49] <jfmcarreira> this is a qt based application maybe
i should look for qt devs? or maybe multimedia as this is a video
player (for raw video)
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2227[17:15:22] <DPA> I've found what I was looking for, it
seams like I just need to get buildd to work with my toolchain.
Thanks everyone, bye.
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2239[17:22:04] <n4dir> jfmcarreira: i would just try qt. I
don't think it matters that much, but in this channel (#debian)
chances are very low (as far i can tell)
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2269[17:34:48] <NeeB> I am having some issues with Kali Linux.
Live boot stops at "Started User Manager for UID 0.", I
can hear the fans going off sometimes. Live boot failsafe manages to
boot but my cursor won't move. I tried live booting Fedora too,
similar issue, same line is where it stops. I tried installing Kali
but it just black screens after the login screen. What else can I
try to attempt to fix this?
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2276[17:36:21] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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2277[17:36:26] <annadane> NeeB, ^
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2279[17:37:05] <NeeB> k, I'm a noob, don't mind me,
thanks
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2335[18:04:49] <velix> Wow, interesting warning: Warning 1: The
'' extension is not allowed by the GPKG specification,
which may cause compatibility problems
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2336[18:04:55] <velix> sorry, wrong c hannel
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2441[19:03:01] <misty5> what happens if you use two PAM modules
to set the password (ignore use_authok)? Is it like defined or
something? I've done test but don't quite remember the
result since it didn't make too much sense.
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2454[19:10:31] <fasdfd> Why do folders have execute permissions
by default?
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2455[19:10:46] <eck> directories not folders
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2456[19:11:36] <eck> if you don't have execute permissions
on a directory you can't enter it
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2459[19:13:50] <metastable> fasdfd: On directories, the execute
permission actually means "traversal," i.e. you can
'cd' to it and read its contents.
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2461[19:14:13] <metastable> misty5: What do you mean, use two pam
modules?
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2462[19:14:18] <fasdfd> I see.
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2464[19:15:28] <misty5> metastable: e.g. using unix_pam.so twice
for the update of the password. But I meant not using it twice for
the same thing, but using two different modules for the same thing
(the update of the password done twice)
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2467[19:15:43] <metastable> misty5: May I ask what you're
trying to accomplish?
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2468[19:15:45] <misty5> metastable: in a pam configuration file.
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2469[19:15:56] <fasdfd> Why is almost every file on the system
readable by anyone by default (including services that are run by
their respective nobody users)? Isn't this not very secure?
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2470[19:16:02] <misty5> metastable: I wonder what'd happen
if you did that mistake of using two incompatible pam modules
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2471[19:16:12] <misty5> metastable: or rather two modules that
are trying to do the same thing
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2472[19:16:15] <eck> fasdfd: what would the security risk be?
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2473[19:16:25] <eck> the files that are sensitive are not world
readable, but most files are not sensitive
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2474[19:16:29] <metastable> fasdfd: A file being readable
isn't inherently a security risk, if those files don't
contain sensitive data.
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2476[19:17:55] <eck> fasdfd: when you do want to protect a file a
more common practice is to set an ancestor directory to mode 700,
e.g. this is done by default for user home directories on a number
of distros
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2478[19:18:03] <fasdfd> eck, if someone exploits a security hole
in a service I run, they can scan the filesystem. metastable,
configuration files seem sensitive to me, files belonging to
respective packages (one knows what packages I have, what versions,
what services I run)
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2482[19:18:31] <eck> the files that are sensitive should not be
world readable
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2484[19:18:45] <metastable> fasdfd: "seem" does not
mean "is."
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2486[19:19:21] <fasdfd> should I just change permissions of such
files myself?
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2487[19:19:31] <metastable> fasdfd: Much of the information
you're concerned about can be discovered without even viewing
your filesystem. If someone is able to compromise a network service,
the fact that they can read insensitive files isn't more of a
security issue.
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2488[19:19:33] <eck> probably not
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2489[19:20:17] <metastable> fasdfd: I would strongly suggest that
you don't go changing permissions without a VERY clear reason
to do so. You will break your system, and we will likely be...
hesitant to help you repair it.
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2490[19:20:27] <eck> people can also figure out what versions of
things are on your system by seeing what binaries are installed
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2491[19:20:39] <eck> and you can't take away read
permissions on that, since you need to be able to run those binaries
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2496[19:21:49] <fasdfd> eck, I don't need to be able to run
them, fe. a postgres user will be fine with just psql, createuser
etc.
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2497[19:21:58] <eck> right
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2498[19:22:06] <eck> which is why you have a dedicated postgres
user usually
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2501[19:22:40] <eck> debian does by default anyway
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2502[19:22:44] <DR3D> hello all does this room cover kali??
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2503[19:22:48] <metastable> !kali
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2504[19:22:48] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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2506[19:23:24] <DR3D> thanks
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2507[19:23:28] <uto> hi
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2508[19:23:33] <metastable> fasdfd: You do recognize that anyone
able to compromise a service, and therefore the account running that
service, could simply copy to your system any binary they wanted,
reglardless of your system's configuration, yes?
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2509[19:23:44] <eck> and you probably underestimate how much of
your system postgres needs access to
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2510[19:24:01] <metastable> fasdfd: Your approach to security is
not going to result in any positive changes, and you are guaranteed
to cause problems, not least because of what eck just said.,
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2513[19:25:18] <eck> usually sensitive data is put in /var/lib
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2514[19:25:31] <eck> directories there are often readable only by
a specific user
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2515[19:25:42] <eck> for instance, that's where
postgres' data directory will go
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2516[19:25:47] <eck> so apache or nginx can't read the
postgres data files
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2518[19:25:52] <metastable> MySQL, mail directories, etc.
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2519[19:26:00] <eck> all of the stuff in /usr and /lib is
considered to be non-sensitive
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2521[19:26:12] <eck> for things in /etc, it depends on what the
package is
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2523[19:26:55] <metastable> Yes, /usr, /lib, /bin, /sbin, and so
on. Certain things in /etc will be restricted, usually password or
key data.
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2525[19:28:56] <eck> "man 7 hier" if you are interested
in learning more
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2527[19:29:44] <fasdfd> thanks, I will
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2529[19:30:50] <fasdfd> so if a package I use needs a hook
script, I should make such a script and not change any permissions
or set it to just the least needed?
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2530[19:31:03] <p3lim> is there a firewall enabled by default on
debian?
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2532[19:31:22] <metastable> p3lim: No. iptables is of course
built in, but there is no default configuration. Some utilities
exist to simplify this, such as ufw.
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2533[19:31:39] <p3lim> alright
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2534[19:32:07] <p3lim> having issues with rtorrent in a docker
container, which works fine on my windows machine
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2535[19:32:15] <eck> you just need to make sure the package can
read/execute the script. which may mean that it can't live in
your home directory, if you don't want the program to read
other stuff in ~
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2540[19:32:41] <eck> depends if the package is already running as
your uid or not
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2545[19:33:19] <eck> i don't think it's in debian
stable, but if you want to play around with filesystem sandboxing
i've been very pleased with
replaced-url
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2563[19:41:40] <fasdfd> eck, I run dehydrated as user dehydrated,
but keep its configs and the hook script (when created by root its
default permissions is -rw-r--r-- root root) in root-owned
/etc/dehydrated (debian default location, but debian runs that as
root), what permissions would you choose for this? changing the
owner to dehydrated and chmod 544, root-owned chmod 711,
dehydrated-owned chmod 100?
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2565[19:42:45] <eck> the rationale for having it 644 root:root is
that only the root user can change its configs, i.e. dehydrated
isn't allowed to change itself
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2566[19:43:01] <eck> it would be a problem if it could change
itself if there was an rce vuln for instance
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2568[19:43:30] <fasdfd> so better to keep it root owned then
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2569[19:43:34] <eck> i think so
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2573[19:44:16] <eck> but dehydrated does need to read its configs
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2574[19:44:22] <eck> so it has to be at least readable by itself
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2576[19:44:36] <fasdfd> I'd only change the permissions on
the hook script
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2578[19:44:52] <fasdfd> because that's the only file that
gives errors right now
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2579[19:45:00] <eck> the thing is, it's probably not a
problem if other processes can look at the dehyrated configs (as
long as they can't read the generated data), but if you make
the permissions too restrictive you're going to make it so you
need to use sudo to look at the configs, which will get annoying
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2580[19:45:48] <fasdfd> I see, I use su - at the moment, but
heard sudo is better for security (on my todo list)
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2581[19:46:01] <eck> if you work at a bug company that uses
puppet/chef you'll run into this, where people go overboard
changing files to have permissions 600 and then you end up having to
use sudo all the time which is arguable worse for security
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2582[19:46:49] <metastable> Whether or not sudo is actually
better for security is a matter of some debate. But that's a
completely different discussion.
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2585[19:47:21] <eck> either way it's bad if you are typing
su or sudo all the time
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2586[19:47:31] <eck> that means you're more likely to
accidentally run something as root
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2590[19:47:54] <eck> hence the argument that most things should
be world readable, unless they're truly considered sensitive
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2592[19:48:37] <eck> in a parallel universe we'd all be
running selinux, but that's its own can of worms
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2593[19:48:58] <metastable> I'm a fan of selinux.
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2597[19:49:36] <eck> same actually
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2599[19:50:45] <eck> debugging someone else's selinux policy
can be a serious endeavor though
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2610[19:54:27] <rob_debian> Debian Warriors are the Best !! :)
Debian is the Best !!!
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2621[20:00:59] <fasdfd> is it hard to use?
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2624[20:01:36] <kale> how do i set my mariadb root password?
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2625[20:01:55] <eck> selinux is very powerful but very
complicated
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2626[20:02:33] <eck> most people consider it to be more work than
it's worth which is why redhat/fedora are really the only
distros that ship selinux policies
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2627[20:03:23] <annadane> kale, perhaps
replaced-url
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2629[20:03:39] <annadane> i'm not too familiar with mariadb,
that's just from a search
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2630[20:03:48] <annadane> note also that's from 2014
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2638[20:06:37] <kale> hmm.. seems mysql_secure_installation did
it
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2646[20:09:34] <fasdfd> eck, from selinux wiki: "It has no
concept of a "root" superuser", is this somehow
related to Android's lack of root user?
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2648[20:10:14] <fasdfd> is it commonly used by big companies
(facebook, google), banks, small companies (snapchat, evernote)?
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2649[20:10:15] <eck> i think android does it using namespaces
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2650[20:10:24] <eck> rather than selinux
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2651[20:10:26] <eck> i could be wrong
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2652[20:10:34] <eck> google does not use selinux
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2653[20:10:37] <eck> idk about facebook
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2654[20:10:55] <eck> most people using rhel are using selinux,
most people using debian/ubuntu are not
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2664[20:17:54] <misty5> can someone explain how
fs.protected_hardlinks is important? I don't understand what
the fuzz is about
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2667[20:19:24] <eck> who's making a fuss about it?
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2668[20:20:00] <misty5> eck: you can root escallate or something
like that without it
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2669[20:20:00] <eck> misty5:
replaced-url
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2683[20:24:03] <hassoon> strange can't download my google
drive files in firefox
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2684[20:24:09] <hassoon> i have jessy
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2686[20:25:08] <gribouille> hi
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2688[20:25:24] <gribouille> isn't chkconfig available on
stretch?
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2732[20:45:26] <metastable> chkconfig has been replaced with
systemd's service management utility, systemctl.
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2740[20:50:21] <wr417h> I have downloaded debian 9.3 from here:
replaced-url
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2741[20:50:47] <wr417h> Fist tried in Virtualbox, it says
"system halted, no bootable media found"
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2742[20:51:31] <wr417h> I used "dd" to make a usb
stick, but same with real hardware
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2747[20:52:35] <wr417h> Wiki says "Only the first CD/DVD/BD
in a set is bootable."
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2748[20:52:56] <wr417h> I have this one:
"debian-9.3.0-arm64-xfce-CD-1.iso"
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2756[20:54:49] <coruja> wr417h, just to sort out, you really
meant to boot debian on arm64 (not amd64)?
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2757[20:54:57] <mnuhmnuh> wr417h: i don't know arm chips; do
they have bios type controls? my xeon's boot controls are
complex her too.
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2758[20:55:02] <wr417h> just noticed that
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2759[20:55:05] <wr417h> Have
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2760[20:55:06] <wr417h> haha
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2763[20:55:22] <wr417h> I downloaded Arm disk by mistake :D
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2764[20:55:35] <coruja> better luck next time ;)
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2766[20:55:49] <mnuhmnuh> oops.
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2786[21:04:52] <buu> What's the simplest possible way to
ensure a specific directory under /tmp exists with the specified
permissions when I reboot?
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2788[21:05:11] <wigums> mkdir
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2790[21:05:22] <wigums> is /tmp on a tmpfs?
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2793[21:06:03] <metastable> buu: see /etc/tmpfiles.d/
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2794[21:06:38] <metastable> wigums: mkdir isnt a good solution as
nothing in /tmp should be expected to survive a restart.
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2795[21:06:48] <wigums> why?
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2796[21:07:26] <wigums> unless its in a tmpfs or scriipted to
wipe it out /tmp persists through reboots
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2797[21:07:36] <alkisg> man hier: /tmp This directory contains
temporary files which may be deleted with no notice, such as by a
regular job or at system boot up.
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2798[21:07:46] <wigums> meaning it persists unless you tell it
not to
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2811[21:11:46] <metastable> wigums: /tmp SHOULD NOT be expected
to persist. Period. tmpfiles.d exists for this reason.
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2815[21:12:18] <wigums> tmpfs IS expected to persist unless
actions are taken for it not to
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2818[21:12:58] <wigums> for example putting it in ram/tmpfs
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2819[21:13:03] <metastable> no, its not, and arguing this is
stupid.
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2820[21:13:16] <wigums> then shut your π hole
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2821[21:13:18] <metastable> buu: tmpfiles.d is what you need.
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2822[21:13:18] <buu> wigums: I mean, in this specific case, my
directory is going away after a power cycle
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2823[21:13:24] <buu> metastable: Yes, reading it now, thanks
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2824[21:13:31] <buu> wigums: or I wouldn't be asking the
question
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2826[21:13:52] <metastable> wigums: Check your attitude and your
facts. Thank you.
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2827[21:14:05] <wigums> i know what im talking about thx
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2831[21:18:25] <wigums> ah you mean systemd tmp files. yea
systemd is far from the norm as well being that only debian redhat
and what, ubuntu, run systemd?
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2833[21:19:18] <buu> Yeah, a few minor distros no one has ever
heard of
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2835[21:19:41] <wigums> well when compared to the 90000 other
distros that do not run systemd
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2837[21:19:53] <buu> You mean the other 90000 that no one
actually use?
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2839[21:20:29] <wigums> every one uses them except big business
and thats only because of the purchased tech support
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2840[21:21:11] <buu> And by everyone you mean.. the 2% of linux
desktop users? (that all run ubuntu)
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2841[21:21:33] <wigums> far from 2% and far from all run ubuntu
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2843[21:21:57] <buu> you mean lower?!
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2844[21:21:58] <wigums> your views are as limited as your
experience
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2845[21:22:00] <buu> Well, I guess that figures
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2846[21:22:15] <mnuhmnuh> corps run redhat & suse a lot imo,
someone to sue when they break.
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2847[21:22:31] <wigums> most users will never find themselves
maintaining rackspace or amazon for example
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2848[21:22:58] <wigums> mnuhmnuh, they do so because of the
gaurantee of tech support
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2849[21:22:59] <buu> Home users use ubuntu which has systemd,
corps use redhat and suse, everyone else uses debian
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2850[21:23:08] <wigums> lol
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2851[21:23:12] <wigums> not even close
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2852[21:23:30] <wigums> for example distrowatch has slackware
rated as favorite desktop
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2853[21:23:32] <mnuhmnuh> wigums: yup, and i made a career doing
it for them. :-)
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2854[21:23:49] <wigums> oh i only build clusters and distros for
fun
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2856[21:24:16] <wigums> so i have some freedom in what im ALLOWED
to use
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2857[21:24:35] <buu> uh
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2858[21:24:43] <mnuhmnuh> slack's great, but not for corps.
high maintenance cost.
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2859[21:24:50] <buu> Exactly how many people in the entire world
do you think run slackware compared to ubuntu
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2860[21:24:52] <wigums> sure and thats fair
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2861[21:25:07] <wigums> that doesnt mean ubuntu is
"right"
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2862[21:25:17] <buu> Why are you changing the goalposts
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2863[21:25:18] <wigums> it means too many people are stupid
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2865[21:25:24] <buu> So you admit I'm right
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2866[21:25:33] <wigums> right about what?
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2867[21:25:51] <buu> haha
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2869[21:26:00] <buu> The defense rests.
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2871[21:26:06] <wigums> the vast majority of linux users do not
run systemd distros. sorry.
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2872[21:26:13] <annadane> !offtopic
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2873[21:26:13] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for
Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and
take longer discussions and non-support questions to
#debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of
people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few
minutes every day.
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2875[21:26:39] <htb> Hi all, I am trying to install debian stable
on a very old laptop, I am getting an error during the base system
installation step. The log says: debootstrap: chfn: PAM :
Authentication Failure. Does anyone have any idea on how I could
debug this? Thanks
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2877[21:27:08] <wigums> yea theres another genius idea... pam
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2880[21:27:50] <wigums> 2 biggestt exploitable services there
are. sysd and pam. well pams just more of a clusterfuck
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2881[21:28:38] <wigums> i do run debian and systemd on my cluster
only cuz thats waaaay too many dependancies to build
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2882[21:29:36] <annadane> k, someone has an actual support
question
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2883[21:29:40] <annadane> take your rant elsewhere
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2884[21:29:43] <coruja> wigums, support or be quiet here,
off-topic (meaning anything beyond support) goes to #debian-offtopic
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2885[21:29:50] <mnuhmnuh> better ideas are always welcome, as are
volunteers. go ask a few innocent q.s in lkml, hack code. have fun.
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2890[21:31:30] <wigums> so support the guy already
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2892[21:31:37] <wigums> or gal
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2902[21:35:22] <mnuhmnuh> htb: define "very old
laptop"?
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2903[21:36:08] <htb> mnuhmnuh: hp ~2005
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2907[21:37:39] <mnuhmnuh> htb: i've owned two of those,
diff. models of pavilion.
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2910[21:37:59] <mnuhmnuh> debian all along for ca. decade.
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2913[21:39:39] <htb> mnuhmnuh: the failing line appears to be:
chfn -f systemd Time Synchronization. I tried running it manually on
another TTY (chrooted to /target) and got the same PAM:
Authentication Failure error.
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2914[21:40:18] <mnuhmnuh> chfn fail sounds like it missed some
input it was expected to pass on to PAM. perhaps you glossed over
too much entering initial install data?
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2916[21:40:42] <htb> mnuhmnuh: One note: prior to this during the
install, the clock setup fails, and I had to re-run it without using
nntp
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2918[21:41:32] <mnuhmnuh> htb: clock bat. may be dead, so
manually reset bios clock at boot.
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2919[21:41:39] <htb> there wasn't much install data to
enter: country/keyboard/drive (I use the entire drive with a swap
partition as suggested by default)/user name.
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2920[21:41:49] <htb> ok I'll try to reset the clock then
thanks
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2923[21:43:09] <htb> time was indeed off, I'll retry now and
report here. Thanks again.
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2924[21:43:19] <mnuhmnuh> :-)
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2942[21:50:36] <Pr0metheus> I typed who and there is a user named
"smi" , I searched google but it says nothing about such a
user but there are some mentions of nvidia-smi (I have an nvidia
card), any idea if I am in trouble?:P
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2950[21:53:29] <mnuhmnuh> Pr0metheus: "ps fax | less"
will list all that's running, and what ran them. find it in
there?
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2952[21:55:16] <Pr0metheus> mnuhmnuh it does not list the user
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2955[21:55:41] <mnuhmnuh> does it list nvidia-smi, i wondered.
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2957[21:56:35] <jhutchins> Pr0metheus: ps axu will list the user.
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2958[21:56:49] <Pr0metheus> ok thanks both, I will check it
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2959[21:56:59] <mnuhmnuh> i don't use nvidia, but i've
watched smugly from afar its tribulations. :-)
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2963[21:58:04] <mrr0butt> hello! is debian stretch allready
spectre/meltdown patched?
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2971[22:00:28] <wigums> spectre isnt really a big deal to home
users but yes they have a patched kernel. if you didnt install new
packages over the net during install you can simply get the new
kernel with apt
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2972[22:00:30] <jhutchins> Pr0metheus: I just discovered ps ax -f
- also shows user and full command with arguments.
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2974[22:00:56] <mnuhmnuh> htop is nice too.
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2976[22:01:02] <wigums> htop lies
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2977[22:01:17] <mnuhmnuh> how so?
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2978[22:01:29] <wigums> htop reports resources that would be used
if that were the only process on the system running
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2979[22:01:42] <jhutchins> Pr0metheus: I have an Nvidia using
their drivers and have no smi user.
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2984[22:02:24] <jhutchins> Pr0metheus: getent passwd smi
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2986[22:02:41] <jhutchins> Pr0metheus: ls /home/smi
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2990[22:03:26] <Pr0metheus> ok thanks jhutchins, its not from
nvidia, I think it is a family hack:)
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2991[22:05:20] <jhutchins> Heh - best kind.
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2992[22:05:39] <mnuhmnuh> what i always say re: security.
sophisticated attacks are far less likely than family/employees/boss
holding the door open for them.
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2993[22:06:06] <wigums> The confusion comes because some ways of
monitoring memory usage include the file cache, others don't,
since the ram used for the file cache is only used as long as it is
not needed for any other usage.
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2994[22:06:12] <jhutchins> mnuhmnuh: Most people learn a certain
set of arguments for ps and don't change them much. I have
really wanted that f functionality in the past, thanks to you I just
found it.
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2997[22:06:53] <mnuhmnuh> i'm a bottomless pit of useless
information. :-)
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3009[22:09:47] <mnuhmnuh> wigums: i have always read htop output
as watching a slice in time. that executing is *shown*, at the top,
all other/lesser procs are after and cycle in next, ...
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3011[22:10:46] <mnuhmnuh> % cpu tells the story. if 0, ignore.
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3015[22:14:07] <htb> mnuhmnuh: i've got to run but it seems
that the installation moved along without error this time, thank you
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3023[22:17:00] <mnuhmnuh> bravo.
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3027[22:17:29] <mnuhmnuh> hardware's weak !@#$.
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3030[22:18:57] <jhutchins> Well, there's an easy way to fix
old, incompatible php code. Discover you're not actually
running it.
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3039[22:24:20] <mnuhmnuh> how'd php get into this? hware
clock batt's dead, so PAM burps, install does lip-stand, ...
php?
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3042[22:27:14] <mnuhmnuh> besides, all langs are subject to that
old, incompatible slur at times. hardware's faults are burned
in, but often ignorable.
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3046[22:28:40] <jhutchins> None of which has anything to do with
Debian anyway.
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3050[22:30:11] <mnuhmnuh> getting debian to work often means
understanding intimately what it has to work with. but i'll
leave it there. :-)
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3097[22:55:11] <fasdfd> I'm trying to run dehydrated as a
non-root user, but the hook.sh script that runs service nginx reload
fails, how do I reload nginx in this case?
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3100[22:55:45] <metastable> The user executing the script needs
the necessary privileges to restart a service. Generally,
that's going to be root.
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3102[22:56:25] <fasdfd> is there another way to accomplish this?
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3108[22:57:27] <fasdfd> the only thing that comes to my mind is
making the hook script write a control file that's read by
another script that in turn runs as root and reloads nginx as
needed, but that's complicated, failure prone and I've
been told many times that dehydrated can be run as non-root
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3111[22:58:44] <bzed> fasdfd: give the user you are using to run
the script sudo permissions to reload nginx
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3113[22:59:11] <fasdfd> bzed, that's probably worse than
running the script as root
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3114[22:59:18] <bzed> fasdfd: why?
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3116[22:59:47] <bzed> fasdfd: nothing bad in giving reload rights
to a user. can't happen anything bad.
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3117[23:00:00] <fasdfd> more complicated, root access allowed
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3119[23:00:16] <fasdfd> unless sudo can be configured in such a
way that only one command is allowed
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3120[23:00:36] <bzed> fasdfd: its not complicated at all and root
aceess is limited to exactly one command which can't breakt
things.
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3121[23:00:52] <bzed> fasdfd:you might want to rad things like
the debian administrators handbook.
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3122[23:00:55] <bzed> *read
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3125[23:01:31] <bzed> fasdfd:
replaced-url
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3127[23:02:25] <bzed> fasdfd: or at least read
replaced-url
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3132[23:04:28] <kokoman> hello all. i am trying to find rdp but
none work. I found
replaced-url
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3133[23:04:47] <kokoman> I want to remote desktop using some
protocol which have good quality
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3134[23:04:59] <kokoman> and if possible to transfer files to
remote..
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3136[23:05:24] <annadane> ,v rdp
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3137[23:05:25] <judd> No package named 'rdp' was found
in amd64.
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3138[23:05:34] <annadane> ,v remmina
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3139[23:05:35] <judd> Package: remmina on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.0.0-4+deb7u1; jessie: 1.1.1-2; stretch-backports:
1.2.0-rcgit.26+dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.2.0-rcgit.26+dfsg-1; sid:
1.2.0-rcgit.26+dfsg-1
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3140[23:05:37] <wigums> vnc
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3202[23:05:52] <kokoman> damn why it's happening now.. ;_;
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3208[23:05:54] <annadane> well, backports are not inherently bad
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3227[23:06:22] <kokoman> hello all. i am trying to find rdp but
none work. I found
replaced-url
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3243[23:06:59] <mnuhmnuh> kokoman: no, backports aren't bad.
if you need/want, use. you can trust them as much as debian other.
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3247[23:07:15] <deb_uzer> hello people im using debian gnome. i
would like to ask how to set up a pppoe connection with password
encryption protocol..
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3250[23:07:35] <annadane> kokoman, guess you got disconnected. i
was saying, remmina is available in stretch backports, and backports
are not inherently bad
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3256[23:07:59] <kokoman> is it working product?
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3258[23:08:08] <kokoman> i am trying to connect to windows
machine
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3260[23:08:14] <annadane> i guess the only thing to watch out for
is when you upgrade to buster
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3265[23:08:26] <kokoman> what is buster?
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3266[23:08:35] <annadane> the next stable release, not due out
for a while
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3271[23:08:46] <annadane> but yeah backports have their own
upgrade path thingy
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3279[23:09:16] <mnuhmnuh> remmina - GTK+ Remote Desktop Client
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3286[23:10:25] <kokoman_> got disconnected.. :<
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3287[23:10:27] <kokoman_> plz help?
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3288[23:10:29] <kokoman_> what is buster?
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3294[23:10:51] <annadane> the next stable release, not due out
for a while - but yeah backports have their own update
considerations
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3297[23:11:07] <annadane> it'll be in the release notes when
buster is released
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3299[23:11:42] <mnuhmnuh> remmina - GTK+ Remote Desktop Client
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3308[23:15:03] <rdg_> I've got debian/E running in VBOx on
windows.. it's not letting me choose a resolution other than
1024x768 and reports unrecognized monitor. What do I need to do to
get it to full screen to 1920x1080? when I max vbox I just get the
black frame around the 1024x768
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3312[23:16:37] <annadane> xrandr? your mileage may vary on
virtualbox
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3317[23:17:20] <kokoman> hi
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3318[23:17:27] <kokoman> remmina-plugin-gnome : Depends: remmina
(= 1.2.0-rcgit.24-2~bpo9+1) but 1.2.0-rcgit.26+dfsg-1~bpo9+1 is to
be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken
packages.
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3319[23:17:29] <kokoman> help plz?
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3322[23:17:49] <kokoman> !remmina
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3323[23:17:49] <dpkg> Remmina (formerly Grdc) is a GTK+ remote
desktop client supporting the NX, RDP, SSH, VNC and XDMCP protocols.
replaced-url
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3324[23:17:53] <kokoman> damnnnnnnnnnnnnn
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3325[23:18:08] <rdg_> oh i think it's because i forgot to
add vbox additions
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3327[23:18:17] <vergilzen> That will definitely help you out.
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3328[23:18:25] <kokoman> any1 help plz?
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3329[23:18:29] <vergilzen> You mgiht still have problems, I have
had mixed luck with vbox myself.
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3331[23:18:57] <kokoman> who
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3332[23:18:59] <kokoman> what
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3334[23:19:25] <deb_uzer> !libc6
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3335[23:19:25] <dpkg> libc6 is the GNU C library version 2, which
Debian GNU/Linux uses since version 2.0. Do not try to downgrade it.
It is a essential component of your Debian system, and we are not
responsible if it breaks.
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3338[23:19:53] <annadane> kokoman, vergilzen is responding to
someone else
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3339[23:20:09] <annadane> !bat
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3340[23:20:10] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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3341[23:20:12] <annadane> kokoman, ^
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3344[23:21:24] <annadane> ,v remmina-plugin-gnome
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3345[23:21:25] <judd> Package: remmina-plugin-gnome on amd64 --
wheezy: 1.0.0-4+deb7u1; jessie: 1.1.1-2; stretch-backports:
1.2.0-rcgit.24-2~bpo9+1
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3346[23:21:40] <kokoman> how to revert this lin? echo 'deb
replaced-url
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3347[23:21:51] <kokoman> so this software is broken and dont
wanna use it
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3348[23:22:14] <annadane> uh
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3349[23:22:29] <Bierjpg|X8> if you are running a adaptec
controller (tested with a 51645) and you install
firmware-amd-grafics with a amd grafics card (tested 3870x2) the
system dont start.
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3351[23:23:16] <mnuhmnuh> kokoman: sudo rm
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/stretch-backports.list
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3352[23:23:42] <kokoman> that's it?
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3355[23:24:04] <annadane> also, stop running random commands you
found on the internet as root
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3356[23:24:12] <mnuhmnuh> apt update && apt upgrade
&& date
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3357[23:24:14] <annadane> !don't break debian
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3358[23:24:14] <dpkg> [dont break debian]
replaced-url
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3359[23:24:16] <kokoman> annadane: you recommend it..
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3360[23:24:18] <kokoman> idiot
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3361[23:24:38] <annadane> well, if that's how you're
going to treat support then i'm not helping you, and also i did
not recommend that
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3362[23:24:55] <kokoman> u recommend the thing about strech
backports
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3363[23:25:01] <kokoman> and now u say dont break it..
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3364[23:25:21] <annadane> i did not recommend echo 'deb
replaced-url
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3365[23:25:26] <kokoman> w/e
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3366[23:25:31] <kokoman> fking shit this rdp..
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3367[23:25:36] <kokoman> all are not working
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3368[23:26:23] <kokoman> its annoying :<
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3369[23:26:25] <mnuhmnuh> kokoman: remmina is broken, how? says
who?
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3370[23:26:33] <kokoman> mnuhmnuh: its working for you?
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3371[23:26:57] <mnuhmnuh> i don't use it; just trying to
help you.
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3372[23:27:05] <kokoman> no problem..
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3373[23:27:24] <mnuhmnuh> kokoman: remmina is broken, how? says
who?
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3374[23:27:27] <kokoman> just saying i tried xrdp, and more i
just forgot .. and couldnt get rdp
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3375[23:27:42] <kokoman> why you bothering asking if u have no
idea abou that software lol
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3376[23:28:29] <annadane> if you're going to ask for help in
a support channel try not to alienate everyone by insulting them
when they're trying to help with your problem
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3377[23:28:34] <kokoman> wow that tee i never know that command
and i type it and it remove my content of file
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3379[23:28:39] <gdot> It does not take deep knowledge of a
specific software package to help you, you know?
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3380[23:29:13] <kokoman> anyone know a software that work for
remote desktop windows probably using rdp?
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3381[23:29:38] <rdg_> lol aaaand installing guest additions just
destroyed the machine
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3382[23:29:42] <mnuhmnuh> kokoman: i'm playing with you,
leading you astray, futzing with you and wasting your time, silly.
or, you just don't want to learn. you choose.
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3383[23:29:50] <kokoman> rdg_: which ?
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3384[23:30:08] <rdg_> my vbox that i couldn't resize the
monitor on
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3385[23:30:10] <kokoman> mnuhmnuh: are you a poet? :D
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3386[23:30:13] <rdg_> no big deal, i'll just reinstall
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3387[23:30:52] <gdot> kokoman: you could try running the native
Microsoft Remote Desktop Client under a current version of WINE
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3389[23:31:32] <mnuhmnuh> kokoman: philosopher, historian, geek;
never a poet. :-P
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3391[23:32:15] <kokoman> mnuhmnuh: just you got a nice line i
didint understand
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3393[23:32:31] <kokoman> gdot: any other solution?
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3394[23:32:36] <kokoman> i prefer not to use winee..
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3396[23:33:21] <Haxxa> anyone know how to read smart logs? can
anyone check if anything is out of ordinary here:
replaced-url
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3397[23:33:27] <gdot> yes, you could lose your sense of
entitlement to free software working out of the box and at least put
in the effort to answer the questions which we need answers to if we
are to help you
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3398[23:33:40] <mnuhmnuh> kokoman: WHY do you say remmina is
broken?!? answer?!?
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3400[23:33:44] <gdot> i.e. what how were connecting to what fails
with remmina?
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3403[23:34:23] <kokoman> mnuhmnuh: i tried to install and it
didnt work sir
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3404[23:34:41] <annadane> !doesn't work
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3405[23:34:41] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague
statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it
procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for
change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it
isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without
needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error
message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco>
and <errors>.
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3406[23:34:42] <annadane> !bat
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3407[23:34:44] <annadane> !bat
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3408[23:34:44] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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3409[23:34:44] <kale> kokoman: the rdp software i connect to does
send random tcp resets back to the client. so if the client is a
nice client it will close the connection. it is very possible that
the system you are connecting to is behaving badly, rather than the
client.
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3410[23:35:04] <kokoman> aha so many poet people here
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3411[23:35:27] <kokoman> i paste some line before...
remmina-plugin-gnome : Depends: remmina (= 1.2.0-rcgit.24-2~bpo9+1)
but 1.2.0-rcgit.26+dfsg-1~bpo9+1 is to be installed E: Unable to
correct problems, you have held broken packages. that's got me
the error and not work
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3412[23:35:28] <annadane> see
replaced-url
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3414[23:36:27] <kokoman> i expect it to work and im using debian
9
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3415[23:37:38] <mnuhmnuh> kokoman: you need your system working
cleanly. "you have held broken packages" is not yet clean.
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3416[23:38:17] <kokoman> yes
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3417[23:38:24] <kokoman> can i fix it?
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3418[23:38:24] <mnuhmnuh> then your install remmina will work.
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3419[23:39:11] <kale> Haxxa: smartctl -a /dev/sda to read from
first SATA
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3420[23:39:19] <mnuhmnuh> paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to
paste.debian.net please.
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