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3[00:01:09] <`Kevin> missmbob: x2 :) why we are pushing towards container infrastructure
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5[00:02:23] <somiaj> Spec: does apt-cache policy (no package name) show the correct pinning?
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8[00:03:30] <Spec> oic, what i thought was happening was not
9[00:03:43] <Spec> the only reason it looked correct on "working server" is because that version was already installed
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11[00:04:34] <harovali> kolbe: missmbob_: somiaj: `Kevin: thanks
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30[00:13:54] <Spec> somiaj: got it now, thanks :)
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55[00:20:57] <madprops> if i ping a site and it only gives me one response and then just a flashing cursor does it means the ip is banned or the server could have pings 'disabled' ?
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58[00:22:53] <somiaj> if pings were disabled you would get no responses
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62[00:26:10] <dobbelj> Heyo, I am having some problems with installing Debian on my computer. I tried the latest testing build, but this will not properly boot. After wrestling a bit with UEFI, I only get a black screen, and no ttys to use(ctrl+alt+F1-6 does not work). I then tried installing Debian stable, and after installation, it just stalls after telling me the root
63[00:26:10] <dobbelj> file system is clean. Rescue mode in both cases stop during boot without giving me a shell. Any tips?
64[00:26:24] <somiaj> !testing installer
65[00:26:25] <dpkg> Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. replaced-url
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67[00:27:02] <somiaj> which stable install image were you using? I'm unsure what your issue could be.
68[00:27:21] <dobbelj> I just pulled the amd64 netinstall image
69[00:27:58] <dobbelj> I have also submitted bugs about the problems encountered in the testing installer, so I'm waiting for some feedback there as well.
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90[00:32:56] <dobbelj> I used this image replaced-url
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92[00:33:25] <somiaj> dobbelj: are you installing a desktop enviorment?
93[00:33:41] <dobbelj> Yes, KDE
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95[00:34:03] <somiaj> dobbelj: try to install without a desktop enviroment. Maybe it is xorg causing troubles.
96[00:34:21] <dobbelj> somiaj: Thanks, I will give it a go.
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173[01:03:50] <awal1> Any "serious" solution for make iceweasel not automatically playing html5 video autoloaded in some websites?
174[01:03:57] <awal1> firefox-esr ^
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181[01:05:45] <awal1> I do use (sometimes) xul ext flashblock but it's buggy with html5 multimedia contents usually
182[01:06:12] <somiaj> extensions are the only thing I could think of that would do that.
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187[01:06:56] <somiaj> replaced-url
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194[01:08:04] <awal1> xul-ext-flashblock is the only one present in debian repos but it's not enough mature for html5
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196[01:08:54] <awal1> somiaj, thanks for the link; I have seen mozilla devs forums talking about that
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199[01:09:17] <awal1> seems that the goal is not achieved yet
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203[01:12:13] <notadrop> Hi, I already have an Arch Linux install on this machine, and I'd like to install Debian alongside it. Arch uses a seperate /boot partition. Should Debian also use the same /boot?
204[01:12:32] <notadrop> I'm new to dual-booting two Linux distros
205[01:12:34] <somiaj> awal1: most enxteions can be installed in ones $HOME easy enough from within firefox and a debian package is not needed.
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207[01:13:04] <somiaj> notadrop: you most likely won't want to share the /boot partition as the scripts from the different distros could interefer with each other.
208[01:13:18] <notadrop> somiaj: okay, that makes sense.
209[01:13:22] <somiaj> notadrop: unless you are doing encryption or using an exotic file system, you don't need a seperate /boot for debian.
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212[01:13:44] <awal1> somiaj, yeah I new that; I just dont like (never) use third psrty stuff. but thanks for your attention :)
213[01:13:59] <awal1> I'll continue using xul-ext-flashblock
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215[01:14:10] <awal1> I knew ^
216[01:14:21] <notadrop> oh okay. so after Debian is done installing, I'll have to go into Arch and re-gen the grub.cfg in order for grub to see Debian. right?
217[01:14:37] <somiaj> awal1: extensions sometimes update faster than debian will. So to me I prefer to intsall them from fmozilla directly.
218[01:14:57] <somiaj> notadrop: debian provides an os-prober package that will try to detect other oses and make them bootable
219[01:15:09] <awal1> somiaj, thats right.
220[01:15:27] <notadrop> somiaj: right, I'm aware of os-prober, but when my machine boots, it'll load the grub.cfg file from Arch
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222[01:15:35] <notadrop> somiaj: isn't that right?
223[01:15:37] <somiaj> notadrop: you using efi or legacy?
224[01:15:52] <notadrop> somiaj: neither actually, coreboot. more specifically, libreboot
225[01:15:53] <somiaj> notadrop: no it will detect the arch kernels and add entries to them in the debian grub.
226[01:15:57] <awal1> but I like the changes debian DD's/maintainers make for the extensions, almost privacy/removing tracking stuff
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229[01:16:09] <somiaj> notadrop: you are using one or the other, I don't really care if it is librefirmware or not.
230[01:16:22] <notadrop> oh right.
231[01:16:24] <somiaj> notadrop: do you use an efi partition to boot or do you use the old system of writing grub to the mbr.
232[01:16:25] <notadrop> EFI.
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234[01:16:56] <somiaj> notadrop: in this case you can have a seperate .efi file for debian grub vs arch grub and just keep them independent (though you may have to configure it so they bon't call it grub64.efi)
235[01:16:56] <notadrop> my /boot from Arch is the ESP
236[01:17:06] <notadrop> okay
237[01:17:11] <somiaj> notadrop: and then let your firmware choose which one to boot
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239[01:17:27] <notadrop> okay. I'll ask in #libreboot and see if I can get some more details. thanks, somiaj!
240[01:17:34] <somiaj> notadrop: you can choose to have one distor manage the grub.efi file and put in the entries to boot the other distro (makes it so you have to reboot to update kernel changes to the other distro though)
241[01:18:06] <somiaj> notadrop: you can also just ditch grub and use some simple efi manager and just use efi to boot. Have two seperate efi entries for each distro and each distro is only in charge of updating their .efi file
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243[01:18:32] <somiaj> notadrop: hence you have lots of choices on how you configure a dual boot. I personally like efi because it gets rid of the need for grub.
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246[01:19:36] <notadrop> somiaj: this machine is a macbook from 2007, on which I replaced the firmware with libreboot, so it's a little different than most machines
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266[01:28:11] <notadrop> hi, when I try to manually boot the Live image from the GRUB command line, pointing to the location of the kernel and the initrd isn't enough... any ideas what I may be missing from my linux and initrd commands?
267[01:28:29] <notadrop> I just did linux location_of_kernel and initrd location_of_initrd
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269[01:29:01] <notadrop> after I did "boot" I got some message about job control being turned off
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278[01:36:23] <t4nk724> so what is the terminal command to make a flash drive writable by anyone
279[01:36:56] <t4nk724> chown user (location of media) doesnt seem to work
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281[01:37:35] <pingfloyd> t4nk724: what filesystem is on it?
282[01:37:46] <t4nk724> it doesnt seem to matter what i format it as
283[01:37:55] <t4nk724> ext3/4/fat 16/23 ntfs
284[01:37:59] <t4nk724> doesnt.fucking.matter
285[01:38:04] <pingfloyd> it does matter
286[01:38:30] <t4nk724> what fs does it NEED to be then
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288[01:38:55] <pingfloyd> FS determines what you need to do in regards to ownerships and modes
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290[01:39:08] <t4nk724> i will format it to whatever it needs to be so that i can fucking write data to it
291[01:39:36] <t4nk724> so allow me to rephrase my question: what FS does a flash drive need to be formatted to so that anyone can write to it
292[01:39:37] <missmbob> t4nk724: first, really, calm down. what's it going to be used for? tv's? computers?
293[01:39:47] <missmbob> t4nk724: which OS's?
294[01:39:52] <t4nk724> any
295[01:40:02] <t4nk724> most universal available
296[01:40:04] <missmbob> t4nk724: i'd probably tell you exfat
297[01:40:27] <t4nk724> funny, when i format to exfat, i also am "not permitted to write to the disk"
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299[01:40:36] <missmbob> t4nk724: depends on how you mount it
300[01:40:41] <pingfloyd> t4nk724: that's not the point
301[01:40:53] <t4nk724> then explain
302[01:40:56] <pingfloyd> t4nk724: some filesystems you need to pass mount options
303[01:40:58] <missmbob> t4nk724: if the user is a member of fuse and done properly you'll be good.
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307[01:42:04] <missmbob> t4nk724: and you are aware that many flash drives have a read only setting, right?
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313[01:44:13] <pingfloyd> t4nk724: see "FILE SYSTEM OPTIONS" section here replaced-url
314[01:44:45] <pingfloyd> especially umask, dmask, fmask, uid, and gid
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317[01:45:35] <pingfloyd> this is how linux handles filesystems that don't have the necessary metadata for unix permissions
318[01:45:42] <plorph> im having trouble getting libdb4.8++-dev, how can I install it?
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320[01:45:48] <t4nk724> there was literally nothing on the drive
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324[01:46:24] <pingfloyd> t4nk724: that's pretty irrelevant to your issue
325[01:46:33] <t4nk724> either way, i think the problem is that this it just garbage. security is one thing, not being able to support basic fucking hardware is something else.
326[01:46:47] <pingfloyd> t4nk724: you can think that if you want
327[01:47:02] <missmbob> plorph: there is no such thing. you mean libdb-dev
328[01:47:09] <pingfloyd> that's a pretty childish outlook though
329[01:47:31] <plorph> missmbob: apparently building bitcoin needs the older version
330[01:47:46] <missmbob> t4nk724: it supports it fine. i have 8TB of exfat usb attached storage right now
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335[01:49:52] <pingfloyd> plorph: have you tried building it with the version in debian?
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343[01:52:22] <jmcnaught> t4nk724 should have tried mounting the USB stick with udisksctl as a regular user. i assume he was mounting it as root.
344[01:52:39] <plorph> pingfloyd: yeah, gives error
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346[01:52:45] <pingfloyd> plorph: what error?
347[01:53:03] <pingfloyd> plorph: would be helpful if you could pastebin the compiler output
348[01:54:30] <plorph> pingfloyd: looks like it specifies the repository to add to sources, wups.
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393[02:12:38] <^v> im having a bit of an issue :( RAM slots 1 & 2 (labeled on mobo, furthest from CPU) aren't working, they show up in lshw and dmidecode, ive tried re seating them in many different configurations and in every case those two dun work
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395[02:14:23] <^v> the full set is always detected in the BIOS
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399[02:16:30] <OerHeks> 1/2-3/4 or 1/3-2/4
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401[02:17:00] <OerHeks> sometimes the slots are coloured
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405[02:18:23] <missmbob> parity is still a thing?
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409[02:19:30] <pingfloyd> ^v: what's the motherboard make and model?
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414[02:20:39] <^v> pingfloyd, GA-970A-UD3P (rev.1) replaced-url
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419[02:22:23] <^v> OerHeks, slots arent colored, my bad its 1/3 - 2/4 and 2/4 arent working
420[02:23:52] <pingfloyd> ^v: how many memory modules are you installing?
421[02:24:22] <^v> i have 2 4GB modules plus 2 2GB modules of a different brand
422[02:25:08] <pingfloyd> ^v: are you matching slot 2 with 4 and 1 with 3?
423[02:25:27] <pingfloyd> ^v: the channels match up every other slot
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428[02:29:42] <^v> pingfloyd, brb gonna try again
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461[02:43:29] <jaggz> is there an alternativer to "checkinstall" for installing some 3rd party software, quickly, without making a debian package myself out of it?
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464[02:43:41] <jaggz> like: checkinstall pip install foobar
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489[02:44:59] <TomTomTo1> why don't you use python virtualenv for installing pip packages?
490[02:45:14] <jaggz> dunno, never done it
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494[02:45:55] <TomTomTo1> then you might want to check it out^^
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498[02:46:16] <jaggz> thanks :)
499[02:46:16] <crazygull> i use virtualvenv (project) thne work within the env
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501[02:47:05] <jaggz> already used checkinstall now though.. it seems to be nice and pretty.. and then I have a nice globally-accessible python package
502[02:47:35] <jaggz> I presume virtualenv can be setup to work in my own user's homedir, for all python scripts run by the user?
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505[02:48:11] <TomTomTo1> yes. virtualenv basically creates a development environment where you can install and test things without affecting the global system.
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507[02:48:37] <crazygull> you need to have the virtual env activated to use hte packages though?
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511[02:49:34] <TomTomTo1> you create it inside a directory.
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526[02:51:39] <^v> pingfloyd, so when i have them alternating i get 6GB (closest two modules), when i have them grouped together i get 8GB or 4GB when 2GB modules are closest
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528[02:52:12] <pingfloyd> ^v: is dual channel memory mode enabled in the bios?
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530[02:52:42] <^v> yep
531[02:52:56] <^v> unless my CMOS randomly reset
532[02:53:08] <pingfloyd> I'd check it
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538[02:55:42] <pingfloyd> also, are there any differences between the pairs of modules you're matching up in the channels? (differences in capacity, brand, speed, etc.)
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568[03:10:26] <nicola> e
569[03:10:33] <nicola> ey!
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571[03:10:39] <tx> hey!
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576[03:13:49] <^v> pingfloyd, double checked, reset CMOS, nothing
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672[04:05:07] <plorph> what is the best way to install libdb4.8 and libdb4.8++ on debian 8? i know they are outdated but I need it for buildling bitcoin
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678[04:09:25] <roylapra1tep> Goodbye to all of you. Switching to RapidSeedbox since they have a slot in Camada for me. Feral and my ISP doesn't like each other, very slow speed.
679[04:09:32] <roylapra1tep> Canada*
680[04:10:00] <roylapra1tep> plorph: You can't.
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682[04:10:22] <roylapra1tep> plorph: You will have conflict.
683[04:10:32] <plorph> figures. seems i can compile it manually
684[04:11:04] <roylapra1tep> Brrr.
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686[04:12:34] <roylapra1tep> sudo apt-get install libqt4-dev libprotobuf-dev protobuf-compiler libqrencode-dev
687[04:12:37] <roylapra1tep> try this.
688[04:12:54] <roylapra1tep> You want the graphical install ?
689[04:13:19] <plorph> for bitcoin? nah im just doing terminal
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691[04:14:02] <roylapra1tep> sudo apt-get install build-essential autoconf libssl-dev libboost-dev libboost-chrono-dev libboost-filesystem-dev libboost-program-options-dev libboost-system-dev libboost-test-dev libboost-thread-dev
692[04:14:12] <roylapra1tep> for Bitcoind.
693[04:14:23] <roylapra1tep> bitcoin-core*
694[04:14:54] <roylapra1tep> then add this to your sources.list
695[04:14:56] <roylapra1tep> deb replaced-url
696[04:14:56] <roylapra1tep> deb-src replaced-url
697[04:15:10] <roylapra1tep> then, apt-get install libdb4.8++-dev libdb4.8-dev
698[04:15:16] <missmbob> uh, what?
699[04:15:27] <plorph> ok i tried the sqeeze and i had errors
700[04:15:35] <missmbob> yeah, that's not going to work
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702[04:15:56] <roylapra1tep> cd /root git clone -b 0.13 replaced-url
703[04:16:03] <roylapra1tep> try it and follow me.
704[04:16:08] <missmbob> holy hell you just have vomit of the mouth
705[04:16:13] <roylapra1tep> it will w ork.
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707[04:16:26] <jmcnaught> missmbob: is there another kind?
708[04:16:39] <roylapra1tep> i did it and it worked.
709[04:16:42] <roylapra1tep> jesus-christ...
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721[04:23:10] <roylaprattep> Damn.
722[04:23:15] <roylaprattep> Wrong channel, sorry guys!
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771[05:01:40] <roylaprattep> plorph: So, it worked? ;)
772[05:02:12] <plorph> yes, it worked. thanks roylaprattep :D
773[05:02:54] <roylaprattep> plorph: NP!
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795[05:28:14] <scarekr0w> /msg NickServ REGISTER
796[05:29:24] <scarekr0w> /msg NickServ SET HIDEMAIL ON
797[05:29:50] <n-iCe> what are you doing
798[05:29:59] <n-iCe> do it in your motd window, status window
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802[05:31:11] <scarekr0w> sorry this my first connection
803[05:31:29] <n-iCe> be careful
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806[05:32:00] <TheMariuz> hello folks... theres developed an invoice application for norwegians (norways accounting makes programs like gnucash unusable) and it should be added to the debian repository... there are currently no such app avaliable in the repositories and this would increase usability alot for people from my country.. how do i accomplish this?
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825[05:55:40] <scarekr0w> hi, can anyone tell me how to register my nickname please
826[05:56:03] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell TheMariuz about rfp
827[05:56:19] <jmcnaught> TheMariuz: check the message from dpkg about requests for packinging
828[05:56:56] <jmcnaught> scarekr0w: "/msg nickserv help register" and there is also a #freenode channel for IRC network help
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832[05:58:35] <scarekr0w> on which tab or window please
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834[05:59:46] <jmcnaught> scarekr0w: you can use /msg on any freenode tab/window, just don't put a space in front
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839[06:01:24] <scarekr0w> thanks
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842[06:01:57] <scarekr0w> jmcnaught: thank you
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863[06:12:37] <SmileyVW> replaced-url
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865[06:12:55] <SmileyVW> "You can damn well bet the average Jew has been just as deceived by the lies as has the average Anglo-European NON-Jew. It is an indictment upon those who’ve been informed by Ms. Haverbeck that an outrage has not been loudly expressed about her incarceration."
866[06:13:41] <Rusty1_> somiaj:
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870[06:16:07] <Olsenwowers> Ursula Haverbeck is now faced criminal hate speech charges after debating how many Jews died in the Holocaust on national television. The debate was aired on German public television and broadcast all over Europe. It was the first time anyone has been allowed to question the official holocaust death toll on German television.
871[06:16:38] <television> meow
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876[06:19:13] <CraigAfter> "One of the important characteristics of evil is that it forbids questioning and it taboos or criminalizes the candid search for answers. By prohibiting a person to ask questions and to search for answers it is denying that which makes us human. The capacity to doubt and to search for answers to pressing problems is one of the most important attributes that distinguishes humans from animals." - Germar Rudolf
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908[06:38:33] <foul_owl> Hi folks. I'm trying to install a package from backports but it seems to not resolve the deps correctly
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911[06:40:12] <jmcnaught> foul_owl: can you show the command and output in a paste?
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939[06:54:35] <foul_owl> replaced-url
940[06:54:43] <foul_owl> Thanks!
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942[06:55:00] <foul_owl> I can manually install the single dep, but it could go on like this...
943[06:55:09] <foul_owl> There must be a command that resolves the deps
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946[06:59:52] <princessstein> Ursula Haverbeck is now facing criminal hate speech charges after debating how many Jews died in the Holocaust on national television. The debate was aired on German public television and broadcast all over Europe. It was the first time anyone has been allowed to question the official "Holocaust" death toll on German television.
947[07:00:14] <princessstein> replaced-url
948[07:00:31] <polyzen> good to know
949[07:00:36] <princessstein> You can damn well bet the average Jew has been just as deceived by the lies as has the average Anglo-European NON-Jew. It is an indictment upon those who’ve been informed by Ms. Haverbeck that an outrage has not been loudly expressed about her incarceration.
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955[07:02:21] <TomTomTo1> foul_owl: you should enable the i386 architecture if you are on an amd64 system and want to use wine.
956[07:02:31] <foul_owl> Currently using wine
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958[07:02:45] <Kaleene> replaced-url
959[07:02:51] <foul_owl> I'm just trying to install the lastet version from the backports
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962[07:03:25] <TomTomTo1> foul_owl: oh, don't pass the version number to apt-get, use -t jessie-backports
963[07:03:44] <foul_owl> Ahhhhhhhhh
964[07:03:46] <foul_owl> ok perfect
965[07:03:48] <foul_owl> Let me try
966[07:04:04] <foul_owl> Perfect!
967[07:04:06] <foul_owl> Thanks!
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969[07:04:10] <TomTomTo1> ^^
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996[07:24:27] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. Is there anyone here who can walk me through setting up Apache? I altered /sites-available/000-default.conf and restarted apache, however, I'm now getting "Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server." I put /home/me/Documents/fantasy as the DocumentRoot, not /
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1001[07:29:09] <epsilon> Lady_Aleena: guess file permission issue, apache runs as replaced-url
1002[07:30:07] <Lady_Aleena> epsilon, how do I fix that?
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1019[07:42:22] <Lady_Aleena> Okay, now I changed a line in apache2.conf, it seems to want to load my site, except the browser tries to get me to download the index.pl instead of loading it in the browser.
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1024[07:45:34] <bibble_> replaced-url
1025[07:45:49] <bibble_> is that the best way to install latest for Jessie ?
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1028[07:46:32] <bibble_> so add testing to source.list, then apt-get install -t testing rtorrent ?
1029[07:47:27] <jmcnaught> bibble_: no
1030[07:47:53] <jmcnaught> bibble_: you can't mix testing and stable. replaced-url
1031[07:48:11] <bibble_> see. thanks jmcnaught
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1033[07:48:39] <jmcnaught> ,v rtorrent
1034[07:48:40] <judd> Package: rtorrent on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.2-1; wheezy: 0.9.2-1; stretch: 0.9.6-2; sid: 0.9.6-2
1035[07:49:02] <bibble_> seems recent enough ? ..latest 0.9.6
1036[07:49:08] <jmcnaught> bibble_: is there that big a difference between the version in jessie and the one in stretch?
1037[07:49:32] <bibble_> don't think really. ..and would definitely prefer to use stable
1038[07:49:42] <TomTomTo1> Lady_Aleena: i'm sure you can find instructions on how to enable perl cgi in apache.
1039[07:49:47] <jmcnaught> bibble_: if there's a missing feature or something, you can try to backport the package, but it's extra effort
1040[07:50:24] <bibble_> right, thanks jmcnaught judd . will just do a normal install :)
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1042[07:50:35] <Lady_Aleena> TomTomTo1, I just tried adding ExecCGI in apache2.conf, but that caused apache2.service to fail to restart.
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1044[07:50:59] <Lady_Aleena> Also apache doesn't support Debian's apache configuration.
1045[07:51:04] <TomTomTo1> you also need to install some packages.
1046[07:51:30] <Lady_Aleena> So, I have to come to Debian to get help with their version of Apache.
1047[07:52:07] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: the details of Debian's apache config are in /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz
1048[07:52:52] <Lady_Aleena> I have already installed libapache2-mod-perl2
1049[07:53:47] <Lady_Aleena> It should be as simple as changing the DocumentRoot.
1050[07:54:14] <preaction> Lady_Aleena: you meant you tried Options +ExecCGI, correct?
1051[07:54:33] <Lady_Aleena> preaction, I will try again.
1052[07:54:40] <preaction> mod_perl2 isn't related to cgi. so you either need mod_cgi or mod_perl2
1053[07:55:22] <Lady_Aleena> preaction, Job for apache2.service failed. See 'systemctl status apache2.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details.
1054[07:55:36] <preaction> Lady_Aleena: if it fails again, get the error message from the error log, or do apache2ctl -t
1055[07:55:43] <preaction> right so check those things it told you to check
1056[07:56:16] <Lady_Aleena> preaction, replaced-url
1057[07:57:05] <preaction> no. "Options +ExecCGI". Apache configs are "<directive> <argument1> <argument2>..."
1058[07:57:25] <preaction> so line 2 should be "Options +ExecCGI Indexes FollowSymlinks"
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1061[07:58:58] <Lady_Aleena> preaction, apache2 still fails to restart.
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1064[07:59:23] <preaction> so check the things it told you to check!
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1069[08:01:03] <preaction> also check the apache error log: /var/log/apache2/error.log
1070[08:03:12] <Lady_Aleena> preaction, okay, how do I make it so I can view all logs without sudo? I tried "sudo cd apache2/" but "sudo: cd: command not found"
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1074[08:03:50] <preaction> cd isn't a command, it's a shell built-in. that's why you can't "sudo cd". you can get a root "shell" by doing just "sudo -i"
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1076[08:04:16] <Lady_Aleena> preaction, is it normal to hide logs?
1077[08:04:27] <preaction> yes. sensitive things can be in logs
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1080[08:05:28] <preaction> i mean, the apache logs, probably not so much, but auth.log or secure.log (different distros have different names) can have some important stuff in there
1081[08:05:58] <Lady_Aleena> replaced-url
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1083[08:06:13] <preaction> but if you wanted to keep the usernames on your site private, you'd need to keep the apache access logs (and likely error logs) private. a un/pw combo is two things that need to be known for someone to gain access. give them the un, then they only need one thing
1084[08:06:16] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: you can say cat/less each log indvidually with sudo.
1085[08:06:28] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: add your user to the adm group if you want to be able to read logs without being root
1086[08:06:51] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, how do I do that?
1087[08:07:01] <preaction> Lady_Aleena: alright, and then what does "apache2ctl -t" say?
1088[08:07:08] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: "adduser username adm" and then logout, login
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1090[08:08:27] <Lady_Aleena> preaction, replaced-url
1091[08:08:40] <preaction> whatever apache2ctl -t ends up saying is, i expect, the same things 'systemctl status apache2.service' and 'journalctl -xn' would say, but i don't know anything about systemd at all
1092[08:08:52] <preaction> ah. of course.
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1094[08:09:48] <preaction> Lady_Aleena: so, the + on +ExecCGI is what it's referring to. you can either: remove that + (i don't recommend) or add a + to Indexes and FollowSymlinks (so it's Options +ExecCGI +Indexes +FollowSymlinks)
1095[08:09:51] <Lady_Aleena> preaction, I just added + to everything.
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1097[08:10:50] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I will reboot in as soon as I can get my site loaded into the browser.
1098[08:11:05] <jmcnaught> the error in the paste is about apache2.conf, not sites-available/000-detault.conf
1099[08:11:09] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: why reboot?
1100[08:11:18] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, the last time I logged out, I just got a blank screen with no way back in.
1101[08:11:27] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I caught that.
1102[08:11:53] <Lady_Aleena> logging out eq reboot
1103[08:12:04] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: that ain't right
1104[08:12:13] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, that's the way it is.
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1106[08:13:03] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: if you don't want to fix that problem right now, you should come back another time to fix it
1107[08:13:39] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I'm here to fix apache localhost loads my local version of my site.
1108[08:13:57] <jmcnaught> if you can get to a virtual terminal when that happens, i bet "systemctl restart display-manager" would fix it
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1111[08:14:37] <Lady_Aleena> Should I just run all of these: a2enmod, a2ensite, a2enconf?
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1113[08:14:49] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, fix what?
1114[08:15:15] <preaction> if there isn't a reason to run those programs, then there's no need to run them
1115[08:15:27] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: i never edit /etc/apache2/apache2.conf. I do everything in virtualhost files in /etc/apache2/sites-available, and general configs in /etc/apache2/confs-available
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1117[08:15:45] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: restarting your display manager would let you log back in, i bet
1118[08:16:05] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, when do I type that in?
1119[08:16:14] <Lady_Aleena> before or after I log out?
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1122[08:17:00] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: those commands a2enmod etc, are for symlinking configs from /etc/apache2/mods-available to mods-enabled. This stuff is covered in the apache2 package's README.Debian.gz
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1125[08:17:30] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: you would restart your display manager when you are having the problem, so after you log out. run it from a virtual terminal
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1127[08:18:16] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I told you, all I have is a blank screen, not even a blinking cursor when I log out, so I just reboot.
1128[08:18:40] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: do you try to go to a virtual terminal with ctrl+alt+f1?
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1132[08:19:43] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, so far I've just pushed the button to restart my computer. I keep forgetting about c-a-f1.
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1144[08:25:20] <Lady_Aleena> finding README.Debian.gz now. This will take a while.
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1147[08:26:25] <Lady_Aleena> I take it more README.Debian.gz is not the way to read this?
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1149[08:27:32] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: use zless
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1155[08:28:33] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I found it on the web first.
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1157[08:29:11] <Lady_Aleena> Um, it only has one instance of the word perl, but only in the word proPERLy.
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1159[08:29:57] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: it explains the Debian way of configuring apache
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1161[08:30:51] <Lady_Aleena> And I guess copying my apache2 directory from my old drive over won't help.
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1163[08:31:41] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: some of the individual files might help, but if the old drive was from wheezy then the overall layout has changed a bit
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1165[08:32:06] <Lady_Aleena> Why did Debian devs do away with httpd.conf?
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1169[08:34:32] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: because enormous config files are ridiculous and easier to read and manage if broken up into individual files. It also allows for other packages to drop apache config files into /etc/apache2/conf-available for easy apache integration for web applications
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1181[08:39:07] <Lady_Aleena> ACK! I just ran a2enmod cgi, restarted apache, and my site still won't load.
1182[08:39:29] <maziar> my debian machine is no response without no reason ! even from ESXI console i can not connect to it !, and ssh is not work, how can i check the reason of this problem ?
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1186[08:41:17] <jelly-home> maziar: do you see anything at the console, if you press a key or two? does it answer to ping?
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1188[08:43:09] <DzamoNorton> jell
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1190[08:43:25] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: are you using ScriptAlias?
1191[08:43:40] <maziar> jelly-home i said no answer to any thing even in console or ping
1192[08:43:57] <maziar> after hard restart i should check which log
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1195[08:45:43] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: replaced-url
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1197[08:46:30] <jelly-home> maziar: you could try to Alt-SysRq-b at the console if possible. Be very careful not to boot your own workstation if you're on linux
1198[08:46:46] <jelly-home> maziar: that would at least confirm the kernel was alive
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1200[08:47:47] <jelly-home> maziar: after reboot, look at /var/log/kern.log but there may not be anything useful
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1202[08:47:58] <maziar> jelly-home , did you read my question ? i dont want a solution, i want to check why it happens and i need a log file that contain this problem reason !
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1206[08:48:28] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I installed libapache2-mod-perl2.
1207[08:48:35] <jelly-home> maziar: which esxi version, and which debian release on the guest?
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1210[08:49:13] <jmcnaught> maziar: /var/log/syslog or 'journalctl --boot -1 -n' to see last few lines of previous boot's journal
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1213[08:51:38] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: i've never used that module but it has a user's guide: replaced-url
1214[08:52:07] <Lady_Aleena> I just put LoadModule cgid_module modules/mod_cgid.so into apache2.conf, restarted apache2, and my scripts still won't load in the browser.
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1216[08:52:25] <maziar> jmcnaught Failed to look up boot -1: Cannot assign requested address
1217[08:52:26] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: why did you put that in apache2.conf?
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1219[08:53:02] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, why not? It is the main conf file.
1220[08:53:18] <jmcnaught> maziar: see /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian for how to enable persistent boot, or look for messages in /var/log/syslog
1221[08:53:35] <Lady_Aleena> Also, directions on apache's site all say httpd.conf, not debian's burst out confs.
1222[08:54:00] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: because that's not how you configure apache on Debian. You should do "a2enmod cgid"
1223[08:54:23] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I did.
1224[08:54:24] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: this is why i asked you to read that README.Debian.gz file, so you would understand the differences
1225[08:54:49] <Lady_Aleena> sudo a2enmod cgid has been done for about 15 minutes.
1226[08:55:01] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: the files in /etc/apache2/mods-available are text files that you can read to see what they say
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1229[08:56:02] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: if you're going to use mod_perl2, i would disable the cgi and cgid modules
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1235[08:57:13] <Lady_Aleena> Is there a way to reset and start from scratch? I've done so much in the last hour, I don't remember what I did.
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1237[08:57:18] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: and where ever apache upstream docs say to add something to httpd.conf, if it's specific to a site it goes in a file in /etc/apache2/sites-available/. If it's a module, the package will have made a file in mods-available for you to a2enmod
1238[08:57:46] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell Lady_Aleena about confnew
1239[08:58:18] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, will that just reset the conf for apache or all my confs?
1240[08:59:02] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: the commands dpkg just told you about only work on the packages you list in the command
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1246[09:01:10] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, replaced-url
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1252[09:02:42] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: the command dpkg told you about was 'apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install apache2'
1253[09:03:22] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: alternatively you can purge the package, and then reinstall it (after making sure /etc/apache2 is gone)
1254[09:04:43] <Lady_Aleena> rebooting
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1261[09:07:32] <pragomer_1> how can I check what grafics driver is used?
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1267[09:08:12] <jmcnaught> pragomer_1: read /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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1271[09:10:51] <pragomer_1> replaced-url
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1273[09:10:54] <pragomer_1> what is my driver?
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1275[09:12:01] <jmcnaught> pragomer_1: ctrl+f 'driver'
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1278[09:14:19] <pragomer_1> sorry.. dont find it... "driver" of course.. but not about my graphics card
1279[09:14:24] <pragomer_1> sorry I am beginner
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1283[09:15:33] <Guest54189> which graphics card do u have ?
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1289[09:16:31] <pragomer_1> when I do lspci | grep -i vga its this:
1290[09:16:41] <pragomer_1> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06)
1291[09:17:03] <tx> yes
1292[09:17:14] <tx> you have an iGPU that is built in to your Xeon CPU.
1293[09:17:45] <tx> er
1294[09:17:56] <pragomer_1> yes.. I wanted to determine if I could install a proprietary driver for gaming or if noveau driver is used
1295[09:18:07] <tx> Noveau is used for Nvidia products.
1296[09:18:18] <pragomer_1> oh.. only for nvidia? did not know that
1297[09:18:24] <TomTomTo1> pragomer_1: this is the driver you use. replaced-url
1298[09:18:41] <tx> Indeed.
1299[09:18:54] <pragomer_1> so.. it is a free or a propr. driver?
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1301[09:19:04] <TomTomTo1> it's the free intel driver.
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1303[09:19:29] <pragomer_1> ok. thank you. and do you think it could be worth, for gaming, to search for an driver by intel?
1304[09:19:39] <tx> lol
1305[09:19:43] <pragomer_1> or isnt the difference that much?
1306[09:19:51] <tx> If you want to game I suggest getting a deciated graphics card
1307[09:19:56] <tx> otherwise no, not really
1308[09:20:01] <TomTomTo1> never had any issues with the free intel driver.
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1310[09:20:09] * tx has had heaps
1311[09:20:22] <tx> I found one the other day actually, enabling TearFree prevents you from rotating screens using xrandr :0
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1313[09:20:52] <pragomer_1> ok.. I think the chip would be enough for the game I want to play under debian (Gothic3).. but I have graphic issues (no text in menu, black world) and I wanted to test it with some different drivers
1314[09:21:00] <pragomer_1> but ok.. so I have to look for another solution
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1326[09:25:02] <Lady_Aleena> The reboot didn't help my apache problem.
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1334[09:30:14] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, "sudo apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install apache2" did not overwrite my apache2 conf files.
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1338[09:32:17] <Lady_Aleena> I'm submitting the question to the forum to give you all a break.
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1363[09:42:11] <michael2903> Hello
1364[09:43:05] <michael2903> I have an issue with apt preferences, pinning refuses to work despite the doc and there are no logs :(
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1366[09:44:11] <michael2903> #flood
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1369[09:44:56] <TomTomTo1> use replaced-url
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1377[09:48:17] <michael2903> you can see my details replaced-url
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1406[10:01:34] <logithack1337> when i start minecraft, i get to the menu. when i hover over an in-game button, say Options, it becomes highlighted. however, when i click it, nothing happens. any ideas?
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1410[10:03:24] <TomTomTo1> michael2903: for the originator you would have to check the release file, it's an optional field. for pinning an archive you would use for example Pin: release a=jessie-experimental
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1436[10:10:10] <michael2903> @TomTomTo1: oh I see
1437[10:10:17] <TomTomTo1> michael2903: here for example replaced-url
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1441[10:11:19] <michael2903> TomTomTo1: yes I saw the Release file and the values in my preferences matched the Release file
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1445[10:13:14] <michael2903> TomTomTo1: now, I have an issue and don't know if I can solve without rebuilding my repo. I mirrored jessie repo (so a=jessie) and my company own repo has also a=jessie, should I change my company repo to a=jessie-company?
1446[10:13:36] <michael2903> that was the point of using o= and l= actually :)
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1456[10:15:43] <TomTomTo1> it would be easy if your company put a different label in the release file. if that's a copy of a debian release file i'm not sure.
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1462[10:17:10] <TomTomTo1> "o=company jessie" doesn't look like a valid origin.
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1468[10:19:44] <michael2903> the official jessie mirror I have looks like this: replaced-url
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1470[10:19:56] <michael2903> (in /var/lib/apt/lists)
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1476[10:21:51] <TomTomTo1> mine just has "Debian" for both^^
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1491[10:26:48] <TomTomTo1> michael2903: mind trying Pin: release a=company-experimental, n=jessie-experimental ?
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1493[10:27:51] <TomTomTo1> michael2903: n= stands for codename from what i can gather from man apt_preferences
1494[10:27:55] <dionysus69> how can windows be so annoying
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1496[10:28:37] <dionysus69> it is a poor joke of an os, doesnt even have option to optionally download or not to download updates... lol
1497[10:29:21] <michael2903> I guess you mean win10 ;) win7/8 did allow this
1498[10:29:23] <jelly-home> dionysus69: #debian-offtopic is over there -->
1499[10:29:29] <dionysus69> haha
1500[10:29:44] <dionysus69> i know was just kind of a trolling joke, but really!
1501[10:30:14] <jelly-home> yes really
1502[10:30:34] <th0r> jelly-home, if you feed the troll he will never leave
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1504[10:31:16] <michael2903> TomTomTo1: I guess my repo is not built as it should :( codename: jessie for official debian and own repo
1505[10:31:27] <jelly-home> th0r: everyone gets a warning first, if they behave all is fine
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1510[10:32:03] <michael2903> TomTomTo1: but nevermind, I'll fix our repo
1511[10:33:24] <jelly-home> michael2903: if you showed your actual Release files, or output of "apt-cache policy", maybe someone could suggest a better approach
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1515[10:34:49] <michael2903> something like this: replaced-url
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1517[10:35:45] <michael2903> the two first repos are from our company. The third one is an internal mirror of official Debian
1518[10:35:55] <jelly-home> and "apt-cache policy" ?
1519[10:36:28] <michael2903> here: replaced-url
1520[10:37:09] <jelly-home> no output of command «apt-cache policy» in there
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1522[10:37:39] <jelly-home> michael2903: just "apt-cache policy" not "apt-cache policy something"
1523[10:37:45] <michael2903> oh
1524[10:37:56] <jelly-home> hence the quutes.
1525[10:38:03] * jelly-home can't spell today
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1528[10:38:39] <jelly-home> it's also nice because it shows you potential things to pin on
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1531[10:39:09] <michael2903> didn't even know we can do it without any package, very useful
1532[10:39:10] <michael2903> replaced-url
1533[10:39:34] <TomTomTo1> i think the second pin should be a=jessie instead of a=company
1534[10:40:17] <TomTomTo1> and the first simply a=jessie-experimental
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1542[10:43:18] <TomTomTo1> ah, you already fixed that one^^
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1544[10:44:26] <jelly-home> I'm not exactly sure Origin may contain a space
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1547[10:45:19] <michael2903> it shouldn't, apt-cache warns about it when I use it without any package
1548[10:45:26] <michael2903> "W: Did not understand pin type o=jessie-backports"
1549[10:46:04] * michael2903 needs a BIG coffee to avoid typos in cfg files
1550[10:46:22] <TomTomTo1> the archive is jessie-backports, not the origin
1551[10:46:45] <TomTomTo1> and the official jessie-backports release file has spaces too replaced-url
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1553[10:47:39] <michael2903> tadam, I took the output from "apt-cache policy" to get the right syntax of "o=,a=,etc" and I put it in apt_prefenreces and pinning works as I was expecting :D
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1556[10:48:02] <michael2903> you guys are magic :)
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1571[10:57:11] <dionysus69> jelly-home: i am not a troll btw i am always online in this channel wtf I am using debian :D
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1575[10:58:25] <jelly-home> dionysus69: which is why I didn't say you were a troll
1576[10:58:44] <dionysus69> th0r did so I thought you believed him xD
1577[10:59:20] <jelly-home> that's usually what trolls say about others!
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1595[11:10:26] <boxrick1> With group permissions alone ( without owning a file ) is it possible to delete it?
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1600[11:11:35] <ksk> boxrick1: that depends on the rights of the directory the file is in. but yes, group permissions do the job ;)
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1602[11:12:07] <boxrick1> So what assumptions would need to be made of the directory the file is in?
1603[11:12:14] <boxrick1> If that was also owned by the group
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1606[11:13:08] <ksk> you need +w to that dir if i remember correctly. just give it a try?
1607[11:13:22] <ksk> sticky bit an option for you?
1608[11:13:25] <ksk> !tell boxrick1 about sticky bit
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1610[11:14:23] <boxrick1> Ok cool, So on that basis, is there any real need for Advanced ACL much of the time?
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1626[11:19:24] <darxmurf> hi all
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1633[11:24:18] <boxrick1> Howdy
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1635[11:24:31] <boxrick1> I have a file with the following permissions:
1636[11:24:32] <boxrick1> -rwx------ 1 bob bob
1637[11:24:50] <boxrick1> So that tells me bob can read write and execute
1638[11:24:55] <boxrick1> And in theory no one else can
1639[11:25:08] <bibble_> right
1640[11:25:09] <boxrick1> bob is also a member of bobgroup
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1642[11:25:18] <boxrick1> As is bob2
1643[11:25:26] <boxrick1> I su to bob2 and can delete those files.
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1645[11:25:46] <boxrick1> I assume this is something to do with the directory above then ?
1646[11:25:57] <bibble_> strange. wouldn't have thought bob2 could
1647[11:26:21] <boxrick1> the folder these are is in the group bobgroup
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1649[11:26:55] <bibble_> even with parent dir settings. if deleted folder had no group permissions for bob2, then still seems strange
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1651[11:28:05] <boxrick1> It was a file rather than a folder
1652[11:28:10] <boxrick1> Within a folder ofc
1653[11:28:16] <bibble_> is it related to the executable bit x. can bob2 still delete with just rw ?
1654[11:28:32] <boxrick1> Ill give it a go
1655[11:28:38] <bibble_> cool
1656[11:30:18] <boxrick1> Oddly even with 000 octal permissions bob2 can still delete
1657[11:30:22] <boxrick1> Something is weird here
1658[11:30:37] <boxrick1> rm: remove write-protected regular empty file 'file'? I do get though
1659[11:30:57] <bibble_> hmm, weird..
1660[11:31:09] <boxrick1> This is in /tmp I wonder if that is affecting it here
1661[11:31:24] <bibble_> perhaps also dependant on umask of the users
1662[11:31:37] <bibble_> whatever that's set to
1663[11:32:01] <boxrick1> umask only sets default permissions though, if I am modding with chmod it shouldn't matter
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1666[11:32:13] <bibble_> see
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1668[11:32:56] <darxmurf> it's related to the parent folder permission I would say
1669[11:33:09] <darxmurf> if you try to vim the file and add text you won't be able to save it
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1672[11:33:31] <darxmurf> but as bob got the access rights on the parent folder he is able to delete the file
1673[11:33:51] <darxmurf> if you chmod 000 the file you can't even reat it isn't it ?
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1676[11:34:08] <bibble_> should be
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1682[11:36:13] <bibble_> mount permissions too perhaps
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1684[11:37:28] <bezaban> when you delete, move or rename a file it is only checked towards rights to modify the parent directory, not the file itself
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1687[11:37:59] <darxmurf> voilà :-)
1688[11:38:01] <bezaban> tmp is special with regards to sticky bit, but the key to this issue is what rights you are working against
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1690[11:39:02] <bibble_> interesting
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1697[11:42:34] <mrrhq> using tmpfiles.d with systemd is still rather confusing for me. Especially when programs require /var/tmp instead of /tmp to be set correctly (mpd).
1698[11:42:44] <boxrick1> So in this case the user cannot modify the file as you said but can delete it
1699[11:42:49] <mrrhq> Not to go off topic, but yeah, sticky bits are cancer.
1700[11:43:11] <boxrick1> So how could I stop file deletion?
1701[11:43:14] <mrrhq> So is tmpfiles.
1702[11:43:24] <mrrhq> I wish they just set it the right way by default, lol.
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1704[11:44:07] <mrrhq> Actually scratch that, I had to set up /run/user/$USER not /var/tmp
1705[11:44:17] <mrrhq> I could set /var/tmp manually.
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1715[11:47:40] <teraflops> mrrhq: sorry for what? mpd?
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1722[11:50:09] <mrrhq> teraflops: Actually, I guess I'm just blabbering from sleeplessness... I just have mpd using /var/tmp/mpd/ for all my files. I don't really need it for that. Shoot, I wish I remembered what I needed tmpfiles for...
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1740[12:00:50] <teraflops> mrrhq: /var/tmp/mpd/ looks weird to me, but a wise man said: whatever floats your goat
1741[12:02:03] <mrrhq> teraflops: The thing is the directory needs to be owned by $USER/mpd, and not root.
1742[12:02:12] <mrrhq> /var/tmp and /tmp are owned by root.
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1745[12:02:34] <mrrhq> I just don't want to stick temporary files in my home directory.
1746[12:02:43] <mrrhq> Feels wierd man.
1747[12:02:45] <teraflops> mrrhq: you're running mpd as normal user?
1748[12:02:48] <mrrhq> Yes.
1749[12:02:58] <teraflops> use a systemd --user unit and use ~/
1750[12:03:08] <mrrhq> Because I usually just use it directly with the client, too.
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1755[12:06:09] <teraflops> what is that client? mpd is just a server no default client perhaps mpc?
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1758[12:07:13] <mrrhq> ncmpcpp.
1759[12:07:33] <mrrhq> Been thinking of using a Web app on Android, too.
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1763[12:07:52] <mrrhq> With or without icecast, depending where I am.
1764[12:08:30] <teraflops> ncmpcpp is a client i dont think is *the* client. for android I like mpdroid
1765[12:09:32] <mrrhq> mpc is actually not too bad. I also tried out xmms2 before they compiled in better ffmpeg support to play midi/mod files.
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1767[12:09:51] <mrrhq> Back them I could only play those files with XMMS2 plugins, now I switched back to mpd, so yay!
1768[12:09:58] <teraflops> mpc is not bad, at least for me
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1773[12:11:14] <mrrhq> XMMS2 also feels heavier, and not as widely supported. There's a lot more better terminal-based mpd clients. XMMS2 is seriously lacking in ncurses clients.
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1776[12:11:37] <teraflops> I build my playlists from curl directly and feed mpc whit them, it's also easy to use it in scripts, so it has its uses I think
1777[12:11:49] <teraflops> mrrhq: well ncmpcpp is not bad
1778[12:12:07] <mrrhq> teraflops: You can easily set up lirc to use mpc commands, if you have a remote control.
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1780[12:12:23] <mrrhq> That's why I think it's useful, for hotkeys or triggerhappy.
1781[12:12:24] <teraflops> that too
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1785[12:13:48] <mrrhq> teraflops: How do you build playlists from curl?
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1787[12:14:01] <teraflops> hmm if you have a smartphome mpdroid looks better as a remote too
1788[12:14:23] <mrrhq> Thing is I never got mpc to actually add files and play them.
1789[12:14:28] <mrrhq> Not sure what commands to use.
1790[12:14:31] <teraflops> mrrhq: I use a google music proxy locally for serving the music
1791[12:14:46] <mrrhq> I've only used mpc for basic playback controls.
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1793[12:16:01] <teraflops> hmm I guess I have an example
1794[12:16:14] <teraflops> mpc is fine for use it in little scripts
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1796[12:16:36] <teraflops> replaced-url
1797[12:17:05] <tx> what is with that domain name
1798[12:17:10] <boxrick1> Within apt can I get it to ignore 32bit packages?
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1800[12:18:09] <mrrhq> The .xyz is just another creative TLD.
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1819[12:28:30] <fghnvcb> hello, i have a short question, which program would the live-cd offer for serial console conections ? i want to use tty0 to connect to a device
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1823[12:34:49] <relaxed> fghnvcb: screen has serial console support
1824[12:35:08] <tdn> What is the preferred clustered file system in Debian? Gluster? GFS2? Something else?
1825[12:35:10] <relaxed> oh, it's probably not on the live-cd, sorry
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1828[12:36:21] <mrrhq> I think screen comes by default on Debian. otherwise, make a custom debian live/install CD. There's tutorials on it. Highly recommended if you want certain programs on your live image. :)
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1831[12:37:36] <mrrhq> If you're lazier and want to connect to the internet and install programs in your live environment, you can do that, too.
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1836[12:39:41] <rembo> hello everyone, i'm getting this error CMAKE Error at /src/server/authserver/cmake_install.cmake:42(FILE): file INSTALL cannot set permissions on "/.wow/cores/255test/bin/authserver" , can someone help?
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1840[12:42:17] <jelly-home> rembo: which command generates this error?
1841[12:42:18] <jelly-home> !ask
1842[12:42:18] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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1850[12:46:50] <rembo> jelly-home: make install
1851[12:47:16] <jelly-home> rembo: make install of what?
1852[12:47:17] <rembo> it is a permission issue username cannot execute /.wow/cores/255test/bin/authserver
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1855[12:48:02] <jelly-home> rembo: which debian release is this? Which software are you trying to build?
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1857[12:48:33] <rembo> Debian GNU/Linux 7 \n \l
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1860[12:49:50] <rembo> replaced-url
1861[12:51:46] <jelly-home> rembo: which filesystem type is the destination mount point? pastebin the output of "mount"
1862[12:51:48] <jelly-home> !passte
1863[12:51:52] <jelly-home> !paste
1864[12:51:52] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
1865[12:52:07] <jelly-home> rembo: weird filesystem types sometimes miss unix permissions
1866[12:52:49] <rembo> replaced-url
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1878[13:00:10] <fghnvcb> yes i downloaded cu.deb to some usb stick and installed it, thought there would be some 100kb program implemented for that.. but little do i know
1879[13:00:51] <rembo> jelly-home: any suggestions?
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1899[13:09:06] <jelly-home> rembo: looks about right. what's your user and current permissions on the destnation file path and directory where it's stored?
1900[13:10:17] <jelly-home> rembo: id -a; ls -ld $(readlink -f /.wow/cores/255test/bin) $(readlink -f /.wow/cores/255test/bin/authserver)
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1911[13:19:43] <Abcdefghijkl> Debian shouldn't be patronizing freenode with its support channel
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1913[13:20:07] <babilen> dpkg: oftc move
1914[13:20:07] <dpkg> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see replaced-url
1915[13:20:25] <Abcdefghijkl> There are other networks, or setting up a new one with Ubuntu
1916[13:20:33] <ikonia> Abcdefghijkl: yeah, we did this dance
1917[13:20:36] <ikonia> Abcdefghijkl: stop it here too
1918[13:20:39] <Abcdefghijkl> This place is absolutely rancid
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1920[13:21:05] <Abcdefghijkl> It's hostile to free software
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1922[13:21:27] <Abcdefghijkl> Ikonia sorry I don't know you
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1925[13:21:42] <babilen> Abcdefghijkl: I believe that your "question" has been answered and you are welcome to investigate the history of the move to OFTC in more detail. This is, however, not really on-topic in here and I would kindly ask you to take it elsewhere.
1926[13:22:08] <Abcdefghijkl> I don't know what move you're referring to
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1928[13:22:33] <rembo> jelly-home: replaced-url
1929[13:22:41] <Abcdefghijkl> I'm just voicing my opinion to find *some* other place, idc where
1930[13:23:00] <Abcdefghijkl> The culture here is absolutely toxic
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1932[13:23:38] <Abcdefghijkl> I mean, as it stems from the network management now
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1934[13:23:53] <Abcdefghijkl> Which has monetized
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1936[13:24:56] <babilen> Abcdefghijkl: This is a technical support channel. Please drop it.
1937[13:25:34] <Abcdefghijkl> Babilen: why are you so eager to censor me?
1938[13:26:09] <Abcdefghijkl> Just provide support and redirect me to the right place or person to bring this issue to
1939[13:26:11] <babilen> Do you have a technical problem with Debian that we can help you with?
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1941[13:26:37] <Abcdefghijkl> Yes, it's technical use of this network to provide support
1942[13:26:46] <Abcdefghijkl> Its*
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1944[13:27:48] <babilen> Abcdefghijkl: Feel free to continue this in #debian-offtopic, but #debian is definitely not the right place for this topic. I also believe that there is little that needs to be addressed.
1945[13:27:52] <Abcdefghijkl> Who do I speak to about how freenode is no longer a healthy place to foster free software projects like debian, do you know?
1946[13:27:54] <ikonia> !ops #debian Abcdefghijkl cross channel troll
1947[13:27:55] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: ikonia complains about: #debian Abcdefghijkl cross channel troll
1948[13:28:03] <ikonia> ahh babilen apologies, didn't know you where on the access lit
1949[13:28:04] <ikonia> list
1950[13:28:08] <babilen> ikonia: That was unnecessary
1951[13:28:17] <ikonia> babilen: apologies, didn't know you where on the list
1952[13:28:24] <babilen> aye
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1956[13:29:36] <Abcdefghijkl> Why is everyone here so quick to censor, punish, rule-nazi and defend this network which really doesn't deserve your effort?
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1964[13:30:17] <babilen> *sigh*
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1966[13:30:35] <ikonia> he's been doing this routine in other channels,
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1976[13:33:13] <FaTony> how can I share files between 2 Debian PCs?
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1980[13:34:21] <towo^work> FaTony, be more specific
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1983[13:35:00] <Johann> FaTony: if you just want to copy from one to the other scp (copy over ssh) seams better, if you need a permanent share have a look at nfs (or samba if you might have windows box accessing the sahre too)
1984[13:35:08] <FaTony> I have 2 PCs with debian which run MATE and I want to transfer files from 1 pc to another
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1986[13:35:31] <FaTony> is there a GUI for scp?
1987[13:35:37] <towo^work> use scp, it would be the easyest way
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1989[13:35:48] <ransur0t> FaTony: as Johann said, scp is great, or sftp as well ...
1990[13:36:09] <Johann> FaTony: if those are two desktop, the simplest way is probably just an usb key btw
1991[13:36:09] <towo^work> yes, many, mc, gftp, most filemanagers with gvfs-support
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1999[13:38:27] <FaTony> so scp uses ssh, right? so I get the same right as if I login directly?
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2002[13:39:43] <teraflops> why not using a gui for sftp if you're looking for a gui it makes more sense
2003[13:39:46] <rembo> jelly-home: any suggestions?
2004[13:41:59] <rembo> replaced-url
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2010[13:44:17] <jelly-home> ransur0t: technically sftp is great, scp is slightly less than great
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2012[13:44:55] <jelly-home> filezilla, winscp both support sftp so use that
2013[13:44:56] <ransur0t> jelly-home: yes sir, I know what ya mean!
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2015[13:45:21] <jelly-home> (or sshfs, on linux)
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2032[13:51:39] <FaTony> ok, next problem, I'm trying to adjust mouse sensitivity using MATE app, and it doesn't change when I adjust the slider
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2034[13:52:06] <myReaper> tu
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2054[13:59:47] <rembo> jelly-home any news?
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2078[14:13:30] <jelly-home> rembo: why are you compiling stuff as root? Do it as user twisted, see if there's any difference
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2103[14:21:48] <darxmurf> anybody familiar with samba+ldap+active directory config ? I have a random GID issue on my config Oo
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2105[14:22:11] <darxmurf> for almost everybody accessing smb shares it's working fine and sometimes (that's the problem) for one or 2 guys the GID detected by samba is not the good one Oo
2106[14:22:21] <darxmurf> IE: in the smb logs I can find: register_existing_vuid: User name: greenwoo@edch
2107[14:22:32] <darxmurf> but when I "id" his account: uid=164180(greenwoo) gid=20233(lcso) groups=30089(edch),607....
2108[14:22:41] <darxmurf> the primary group is LCSO and not EDCH
2109[14:22:56] <darxmurf> is there anything I can force in the smb conf to correct that ?
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2111[14:24:11] <rembo> jelly-home: i'm compiling as twisted user
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2114[14:24:33] <rembo> jelly-home: only root can change perms on a folder/file?
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2126[14:28:20] <jelly-home> rembo: no, but it's possible root user CAN'T write to that folder
2127[14:28:47] <jelly-home> (often the case with nfs mounts)
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2152[14:39:48] <DammitJim> can I force logrotate to rotate a log file?
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2154[14:40:13] <DammitJim> I'm running /usr/sbin/logrotate -d /etc/logrotate.conf
2155[14:40:26] <DammitJim> but it's not rotating the file even though it's going through the renaming and zipping
2156[14:40:35] <darxmurf> -f, --force
2157[14:40:37] <darxmurf> ?
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2159[14:42:09] <DammitJim> replaced-url
2160[14:42:33] <DammitJim> it says log needs rotation
2161[14:42:53] <DammitJim> but then it says: log->rotateCount is 13
2162[14:43:02] <DammitJim> and it starts trying to rename files that don't exist
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2166[14:43:37] <DammitJim> and at the end it never does this: copying /var/lib/upapps901test8444/logs/catalina.out to /var/lib/upapps901test8444/logs/catalina.out.1
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2170[14:43:58] <DammitJim> the file is still catalina.out and it's the same size
2171[14:44:11] <darxmurf> which command did you run ?
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2173[14:44:23] <DammitJim> /usr/sbin/logrotate -f -d /etc/logrotate.conf
2174[14:44:39] <darxmurf> hm
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2179[14:45:37] <DammitJim> dammit
2180[14:45:38] <DammitJim> meeting
2181[14:45:40] <DammitJim> I'll be back
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2187[14:47:10] <pho}e{nix> hello everyone, I need some help :) I've reinstalled debian on one of my 3 hdd, on one of the other 2 there's windows on it. Grub menu does not show the windows entry. How can I fix this? Reinstalling grub? Did I overwrite windows mbr? Please help :P
2188[14:47:46] <jelly> pho}e{nix: is os-prober package installed? If not, install it and run update-grub
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2191[14:48:29] <pho}e{nix> os-prober is already the newest version.
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2195[14:49:36] <pho}e{nix> I've done the update-grub, but it does not show the windows entry...could this be because I have the windows drive currently unmounted?
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2197[14:50:18] <pho}e{nix> It does recognize another OS that's installed on the same drive as windows...
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2209[14:53:45] <uioysn> any one else have 4 mesa packages held back when apt-get upgrade; libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx libglapi-mesa libgles2-mesa
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2216[14:55:43] <pho}e{nix> I'm kind of a linux noob, could someone please help me get this grub thing right?
2217[14:56:56] <pho}e{nix> jelly, :)
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2222[14:59:51] <pho}e{nix> I've probably installed grub on the windows partition or something like that
2223[15:00:14] <towo^work> if os-prober doesn't find windows, then propably there is no windows anymore, so maybe you have done something wrong when you have installed debian
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2238[15:06:11] <pho}e{nix> towo^work, there is windows... I'll try to fix the mbr with the win7 install disc and then reinstall grub with a linux live cd
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2241[15:06:49] <pho}e{nix> this happened to me once before...the boot files of windows are probably missing
2242[15:06:52] <towo^work> installing grub in mbr of the windows disc, would not make any problem
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2245[15:07:07] <towo^work> the boot-files are not in mbr
2246[15:07:18] <pho}e{nix> they are in a separate partition
2247[15:07:24] <pho}e{nix> that windows creates upon install
2248[15:07:27] <pho}e{nix> right?
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2250[15:07:32] <towo^work> so it is
2251[15:07:55] <pho}e{nix> let me paste the results of fdisk -l
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2255[15:09:07] <pho}e{nix> towo^work, replaced-url
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2257[15:10:00] <pho}e{nix> win is installed on sdb1
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2259[15:10:15] <pho}e{nix> my current os (debian) is on sdc1
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2261[15:10:18] <towo^work> pho}e{nix, "I've reinstalled debian on one of my 3 hdd, on one of the other 2 there's windows on it."
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2263[15:10:27] <towo^work> that's a wrong statement
2264[15:10:36] <pho}e{nix> why is that wrong?
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2266[15:10:50] <pho}e{nix> it's correct :)
2267[15:10:55] <towo^work> on the other 2 there is windows
2268[15:11:02] <towo^work> look on your output
2269[15:11:05] <pho}e{nix> on one of the other two
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2271[15:11:30] <towo^work> nvm, there is not windows boot-partition visible on any of your discs
2272[15:11:34] <pho}e{nix> I have 3 hdd... sda is storage, sdb has windows and another linux distro installed... sdc had debian
2273[15:11:37] <pho}e{nix> i reinstalled debian on hdc
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2276[15:12:52] <pho}e{nix> towo^work, how is that possible? What could I have done? I didn't touch the sdb disk while partitioning sdc for the fresh install of debian
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2279[15:13:18] <towo^work> maby, that partition was on sdc
2280[15:13:28] <pho}e{nix> hmmm
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2282[15:13:46] <pho}e{nix> I've changed the drive (forgot to mention) ;D
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2285[15:14:16] <pho}e{nix> How can I fix this? ... If it's even possible?
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2323[15:28:02] <iamawesome> Hi, when i install lxde all packages related to lxde are installed, but when i do aptitude remove lxde, only the lxde package is removed, why aren't other packages removed?
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2326[15:32:56] <th0r> iamawesome, when you installed the system knew that it needed those other packages. Now to remove them, use 'apt-get autoremove' and it will take out the ones it no longer needs
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2435[16:28:56] <xreal> Is it secure to use Plesk, cPanel an other "helpers", which come with their own LAMP binaries instead of Debian ones?
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2441[16:29:33] <greycat> Plesk is proprietary. How much do you trust them?
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2445[16:30:13] <greycat> !cpanel
2446[16:30:13] <dpkg> cPanel is a proprietary web hosting control panel. Ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives.
2447[16:30:27] <xreal> greycat: how can I ask dpkg ?
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2450[16:30:34] <greycat> !free whcp
2451[16:30:35] <dpkg> FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. replaced-url
2452[16:30:45] <greycat> Or "/msg dpkg free whcp" and so on.
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2456[16:31:21] <xreal> I wonder, if I need a panel at all. Up to now, I did it all on command line ;)
2457[16:31:22] <hycer> don't use webmin lol
2458[16:31:24] <xreal> shell*
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2460[16:31:50] <hycer> xreal, try it, you can remove license anytime.
2461[16:31:58] <greycat> Panels are normally installed if you're providing web hosting or other restricted services to a non-technical customer.
2462[16:32:13] <greycat> If you're just adminning your own server, you don't need or want one.
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2464[16:32:47] <xreal> greycat: yeah, I'm using my own website only. But creating mail users etc. isn't that easy always.
2465[16:32:50] <missmbob> heh. isp-control's demo "coming soon!" ...really? cant even see how the thing woks
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2467[16:32:52] <xreal> You have to know every tool.
2468[16:33:12] <hycer> if you have multiple domain, multiple wordpress and sites it can be useful
2469[16:33:16] <xreal> Hmm.. I think the website is outdated. ISPConfig just got updated.
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2471[16:33:42] <xreal> I think, I need a freelancer to help me with setting up the server for a new project. I'm too afraid to make bugs.
2472[16:33:45] <missmbob> yeah...from the looks of it i'd rather shoot myself. very much worthwhile learning how to do it yourself
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2475[16:34:27] <missmbob> last updated 2011. nice
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2481[16:40:47] <xreal> Oh... "amavisd-new" is broken
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2486[16:43:28] <xreal> Sorry, my fault. Forgot a hostname :D
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2489[16:44:50] <xreal> I like this one: replaced-url
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2517[16:59:00] <r3> so I've a system that I have the way I want it, and am planning to clone it to another system with the same hardware. Other than changing the hostname (obviously) are there other things that I should 'clean up' or change before releasing the new(cloned) system into the wild?
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2520[17:00:50] <greycat> Root password? SSH host keys.
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2524[17:01:56] <somiaj> you might want to modify the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules since your mac address has changed.
2525[17:02:14] <r3> root password is ok to be the same, and do ssh into them, so I should look at changing the keys I suppose
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2528[17:03:42] <r3> somiaj: hrm, I don't seem to have that file ... I should also mention that I'm a bit of a newb and still learning....
2529[17:03:50] <r3> I do really appreciate the tips, thanks a ton
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2531[17:04:15] <somiaj> r3: It would jsut rename your network card eth1 instead of eth0 because eth0 would be reserved for the mac address of the old interface
2532[17:04:31] <DammitJim> is there a way that I can guarantee that a samba mount is available for an application?
2533[17:04:33] <somiaj> It isn't needed, but you should boot the sytem up and check out things
2534[17:04:33] <DammitJim> anyone worked on this?
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2540[17:05:36] <greycat> DammitJim: There's findmnt(8) in Debian, or you can just check for the presence of a file or directory that you know SHOULD be present if the file system is properly mounted.
2541[17:06:00] <somiaj> DammitJim: is this something you want to be done at startup?
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2543[17:06:15] <DammitJim> somiaj, I have the entry in fstab
2544[17:06:22] <DammitJim> but these servers don't get rebooted often
2545[17:06:31] <DammitJim> the problem seems to be sometimes if the remote server goes offline
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2547[17:06:43] <DammitJim> and the application tries to use the resource
2548[17:06:57] <DammitJim> I would like to have a monitor of some sort that would at least let me know that something happened to it
2549[17:07:01] <DammitJim> greycat, I'll look into findmnt
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2552[17:08:41] <DammitJim> I think I looked at using something like: grep -qs "/mnt/mymount" /proc/mounts
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2555[17:09:12] <greycat> That's not a terrible answer.
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2558[17:09:57] <DammitJim> I wonder how often /proc/mounts gets refreshed
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2560[17:10:28] <somiaj> DammitJim: if doing this from bash, bash if statement can check for the existance of a file if you know a file that is always going to be on the share to check fro.
2561[17:10:47] <DammitJim> somiaj, or check for a directory?
2562[17:10:57] <somiaj> I think so
2563[17:11:00] <greycat> Yes.
2564[17:11:07] <greycat> [[ -d ... ]]
2565[17:11:08] <somiaj> if [-f /path/to/dir] I think is the syntax
2566[17:11:14] <somiaj> oh -d for directory.
2567[17:11:19] <greycat> you need a space after [ and a space before ]
2568[17:11:25] <DammitJim> sounds easier than checking /proc/mounts
2569[17:11:34] <DammitJim> /proc/mounts is probably not 100% accurate, right?
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2577[17:13:28] <K-Bastian> anyone knows what happened to SWAT (Samba Web Administration Tool)? Isnt included in default sources of Jessie?
2578[17:14:11] <missmbob> ,v swat
2579[17:14:12] <judd> Package: swat on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u7; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u10
2580[17:14:48] <greycat> !swat
2581[17:14:49] <dpkg> The <Samba> Web Administration Tool (SWAT) allows administration of a Samba server via a web browser. SWAT is no longer actively maintained, its default configuration is not secure for use over an untrusted network, and is not suitable for use in conjunction with hand-edited smb.conf files. Upstream support for SWAT was removed at Samba 4.1.0.
2582[17:15:13] <DammitJim> man, this stinks... I need this monitoring to be dynamic
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2584[17:15:29] <DammitJim> the checking for a file or folder might not work as I can't be adding files or folders to these shares
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2586[17:15:54] <DammitJim> do you guys think I can do a file count or directory count?
2587[17:16:52] <DammitJim> but this is probably a bash channel question
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2594[17:21:25] <K-Bastian> Thanks a lot greycat
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2611[17:27:47] <debian-alain> hi guys
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2613[17:28:06] <debian-alain> i need again some help
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2615[17:29:14] <debian-alain> i was on the vlc forum and i tried to install , like they said , ivtv on debian jessie
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2617[17:29:46] <debian-alain> suprised ! i lost my ffmpeg video connection
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2620[17:30:29] <debian-alain> now , i can't record my vhs . i have only noise
2621[17:30:57] <debian-alain> could you help me to configure v4l ?
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2623[17:31:46] <debian-alain> my video is video1 and my sound is hw:4,0
2624[17:31:53] <debian-alain> normally
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2642[17:39:26] <r3> so, if I change the SSH host keys on the cloned system(s), that means that the stored key(s) on my desktop here (and other clients) would no longer match and that when I went to connect to the cloned server again, the client (like PuTTY) would freak out. Any other ramifications from doing this? And is this a good guide?: replaced-url
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2646[17:41:07] <greycat> Your client caches host keys based on the server's hostname and the server's IP address. If you clone server S1 (IP addr i1) to server S2 (IP addr i2), then your client will keep cached host keys for S1, S2, i1 and i2. Each independent of the others.
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2649[17:42:13] <greycat> If you change the host keys on S2 before you ever connect with a client, then there is absolutely no problem at all. S2 is just a new host.
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2651[17:42:41] <greycat> There is only a problem if you clone S1->S2, forget to change the host key, connect with a client, THEN remember to change the host key.
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2655[17:43:58] <r3> I see, thanks greycat. I was thinking of changing all of the host keys (internal systems, nobody else really accesses them via ssh, and I may have cloned a couple in the past)
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2663[17:45:08] <greycat> If you change the host key and then (re)connect from a client that had an old one cached, you'll get error messages from the client telling you which line in which file contains the bad key. Then you can just go delete that line.
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2703[17:55:06] <r3> right got it, thanks a bunch, greycat
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2710[17:56:42] <r3> in a related question, could I use a 'diff' of 'dmesg' output on two different systems to determine if they really are running the same hardware? (think of the system as a black box in this case, where I am unable to peer inside them to see if - for instance - both network cards are from 3COM or whatever)
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2714[17:57:20] <greycat> Every line will be reported as different because of the timestamps. If you strip those off, then I don't know.
2715[17:57:44] <greycat> It might be better to compare "lspci -nn" or something similar.
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2728[18:04:03] <r3> greycat, I didn't know about lspci, thanks for that, but I get an error on a little test system here because I think it doesn't have any PCI devices (it's a RPi)
2729[18:04:41] <greycat> I don't have any ARM experience, so you may need different tools for those.
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2731[18:04:46] * r3 nods
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2733[18:04:51] <r3> thanks anyway, I will look
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2746[18:07:18] <domovoy> hi
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2757[18:13:14] <domovoy> i have troubles getting adminer to work right under debian stable. What i did: apt-get install adminer. create /etc/apache2/sites-available/dbadmin.conf: replaced-url
2758[18:13:14] <domovoy> config wrong?
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2767[18:18:38] <jmcnaught> domovoy: it looks like the adminer package has a /etc/adminer/apache.conf that it tries to put in /etc/apache2/conf.d (which existed in apache 2.2 on debian). You could link that file to /etc/apache2/conf-available/adminer.conf and then do "a2enconf adminer" to make adminer available on all virtual hosts
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2770[18:19:41] <jmcnaught> domovoy: or look at that file and use parts of it in your virtualhost conf
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2773[18:20:19] <domovoy> jmcnaught> just found that file thanks. anyway, since i want it to be a vhost, i'll have to adapt. i guess the key is the Alias /adminer
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2775[18:21:20] <jmcnaught> domovoy: i didn't take that close a look because i don't use adminer, but it might be a bug that the package tries to put its conf in /etc/apache2/conf.d on jessie
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2780[18:22:14] <domovoy> jmcnaught> guess it is
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2804[18:29:40] <d3lphi> how can I ensure that systemd is being used on my system or not? I suspect it is installed but not in use at all.
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2813[18:31:06] <greycat> d3lphi: ls -l /sbin/init
2814[18:31:39] <greycat> Also try running "systemctl" as root.
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2817[18:32:36] <d3lphi> greycat: "ps aux |grep init" shows that process id 1 is /sbin/init and latter is a link to "/lib/systemd/systemd". So my system definitely uses systemd ?
2818[18:32:53] <d3lphi> greycat: yeah, systemctl return a lots of services
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2821[18:33:02] <bibble_> great
2822[18:33:09] <bibble_> means yes
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2826[18:34:01] <bibble_> 'systemctl status'
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2829[18:35:26] <greycat> systemctl has a whole bunch of options to play with
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2833[18:36:11] <greycat> Oh, and process 1 is *always* going to be /sbin/init, so you have to check what it points to.
2834[18:36:24] <d3lphi> bibble_: systemctl status shows me on the upper line = "degraded" is it something bad ?
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2837[18:36:59] <missmbob> speaking of systemd...wtf is protectsystem? ugh
2838[18:37:15] <d3lphi> bibble_: so "systemctl status" seems something like "ptree" :) just for services ?
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2841[18:38:32] <bibble_> yep d3lphi , really useful :)
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2844[18:38:52] <bibble_> think degraded means a service isn't fully functioning
2845[18:38:59] <rattking> protectsystem and others are explained here.. tl:dr it mounts certain things RO.. replaced-url
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2847[18:39:08] <bibble_> but don't know if bad
2848[18:39:16] <bibble_> but just a state
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2857[18:42:30] <bibble_> interesting rattking , thanks.
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2872[18:49:01] <K-Bastian> how can I add an alias to an existing user?
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2874[18:49:41] <greycat> Edit the user's ~/.bashrc file, assuming that user uses bash.
2875[18:49:57] <K-Bastian> Lets say Ive got Bob, but Bob also shoulld be recognized as bob
2876[18:50:01] <greycat> ... also assuming you mean a shell command alias, not like a mail alias or something.
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2878[18:50:18] <nkuttler> K-Bastian: recognized by whom?
2879[18:50:25] <K-Bastian> no, more like a login alias
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2881[18:50:27] <greycat> ... if you meant a second username that works the same as the first one, use vipw to edit the /etc/passwd file and the /etc/shadow file.
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2883[18:50:52] <greycat> Copy the line for the user in each of those two files, and change the username in the second copy.
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2890[18:54:01] <K-Bastian> greycat: thats all? just copy the lines and change the names? thats easy :D
2891[18:54:15] <greycat> yes
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2909[19:03:11] <nkuttler> ,v gpointing-device-settings
2910[19:03:12] <judd> Package: gpointing-device-settings on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.5.1-6; sid: 1.6.0~git20150314.de7fe9e7-1
2911[19:03:23] <nkuttler> hm, is there an alternative for that in jessie?
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3026[19:43:45] <notososos> hello
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3030[19:44:02] <notososos> what is the difference between http and repo in sources.lst?
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3032[19:44:13] <notososos> i see that both work for package update
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3036[19:45:31] <jelly> notososos: can you show an example of the latter?
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3045[19:47:29] <K-Bastian> is there any way to get some kind of progress bar when copying large amounts of data an a console session?
3046[19:47:32] <notososos> jelly: i use kali which is based on debian and in sources.lst. replaced-url
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3048[19:47:51] <notososos> jelly: its not important , i just cant understand what this is about
3049[19:47:54] <teraflops> K-Bastian: pv?
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3058[19:49:11] <K-Bastian> teraflops: as option for cp?
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3062[19:49:46] <teraflops> K-Bastian: no
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3073[19:51:22] <K-Bastian> teraflops: ?
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3075[19:52:09] <Akuli> replaced-url
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3077[19:52:23] <teraflops> now it is when do do trivial serch about pv + cp
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3083[19:53:47] <K-Bastian> ah okay, i think this dosnt fit my needs
3084[19:53:54] <teraflops> search*
3085[19:54:15] <K-Bastian> I have a hole lot of directories with a lot more files inside..
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3090[19:56:03] <greycat> Are you asking for "rsync with a progress bar"?
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3092[19:56:16] <K-Bastian> rsync -ah --progress does
3093[19:56:30] <K-Bastian> yes, thats finally it greycat
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3149[20:14:53] <K-Bastian> thanks for your support, thanks for having this here. Bye...
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3173[20:21:44] <d3lphi> I did read about gnome 3.22 release. Is it somehow possible to say when it'll be available to use on GNU/Linux Debian testing ?
3174[20:22:17] <greycat> !debian-next
3175[20:22:17] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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3179[20:23:01] <greycat> The first question would be "has it been uploaded to unstable yet?" After that happens, then there is a chance it can migrate to testing, but that process is complex.
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3185[20:24:56] <d3lphi> ok
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3221[20:40:46] <tlatelolco> Hello! Since a reboot, I have this problem: after I log on with KDM, the screen of my laptop changes to 4:3 and the sides are black and unreachable. Maybe you'll find something in my dmesg: replaced-url
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3266[21:00:01] <mazert> hello, i'm creating a new page on the debian wiki. How can i save my actual test as a draft ? Save changes is ok ?
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3268[21:00:26] <mazert> *text
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3270[21:01:10] <greycat> If it's a brand new page, I'd just save it whenever you have it partially written in such a way that it is coherent. Then you can resume writing later.
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3273[21:02:42] <mazert> greycat: ok thanks :)
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3277[21:06:37] <mazert> well, save changes makes the page public. Maybe there is no draft system so
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3279[21:06:45] <mazert> *saving
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3282[21:07:00] <greycat> That's correct.
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3284[21:07:30] <greycat> That's why I suggest that you make the saves coherent (no half-written sentences, no missing exceptions to a generalization).
3285[21:08:14] <Captain_Haddock> Is there any way I can install replaced-url
3286[21:08:26] <greycat> Of course another way would be to store your unfinished writing locally.
3287[21:08:58] <greycat> ,v php-numbers-words
3288[21:09:00] <judd> Package: php-numbers-words on amd64 -- jessie: 0.16.4-1; wheezy: 0.16.4-1; stretch: 0.18.1-2; sid: 0.18.1-2
3289[21:09:07] <greycat> Jessie has this package.
3290[21:09:21] <Captain_Haddock> greycat: I'm looking for the 0.18.1 package
3291[21:09:28] <tom99> greycat enters the realm of debian wikis and outside the area of bashing bash noobs. :D
3292[21:09:33] <greycat> ,checkbackport php-numbers-words
3293[21:09:34] <Captain_Haddock> (which oddly enough was released in 2014 :|)
3294[21:09:34] <judd> Backporting package php-numbers-words in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
3295[21:09:41] <greycat> You can try backporting it.
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3300[21:12:12] <greycat> tom99: I've been writing for the debian wiki longer than the debian wiki has existed.
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3302[21:12:36] <tom99> radical!
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3305[21:13:20] <Captain_Haddock> greycat: I see that Ubuntu 16.04 has this version. Can I use that somehow?
3306[21:13:24] <greycat> Back when all we had was tarzeau's private MoinMoin wiki... some articles from there, including mine, were dumped directly onto wiki.debian.org.
3307[21:13:33] <greycat> Captain_Haddock: ABSOLUTELY NOT.
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3309[21:13:49] <Captain_Haddock> heh
3310[21:13:53] <Captain_Haddock> Message received
3311[21:13:55] <Captain_Haddock> loud and clear :)
3312[21:14:00] <greycat> Captain_Haddock: Backport it from stretch sources, or install it from upstream in /opt or /usr/local. NEVER EVER under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES use a .deb from a different distro.
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3321[21:17:23] <awal1> why never ever?
3322[21:17:31] <greycat> !frankendebian
3323[21:17:31] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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3325[21:18:00] <tom99> i just finished installing my stable wheezy, so now I'm running wheezy stable and a frankendebian
3326[21:18:11] <tom99> (it had packages from testing in it I guess?)
3327[21:18:15] <greycat> technically, we call wheezy "oldstable"
3328[21:18:18] <awal1> personally I never use third party pkgs
3329[21:18:51] <tom99> in any event the not bad thing about frankendebian is you can do what you want without really caring if it messes things up
3330[21:18:58] <greycat> Third party packages are OK if you trust the packager, and if there is some assurance that the packages are *intended* to work on your specific version of Debian.
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3332[21:19:30] <tom99> for example, someone was complaining that libgweather doesn't work anymore in wheezy and we tried various things to fix it, like unzipping deb files and modifying /usr/lib. only way to fix it was to edit the scripts and replace the URL though
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3336[21:20:13] <greycat> Modifying packaged scripts and then putting the package on hold *can* work, but then you lose security updates, so you have to take personal responsibility for those.
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3340[21:20:42] <greycat> Kind of a last resort, if you care about security.
3341[21:20:51] <awal1> I have all what I need in official deb repos :P
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3343[21:21:05] <croddy> *(except libgweather)
3344[21:21:26] <tom99> greycat: I do have one third party repo in my frankendebian, it was put there to install a CAS system called xcas.
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3348[21:22:15] <tom99> their webpage has a list of installation methods for about a dozen distros
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3352[21:23:18] <greycat> I have third-party repositories for crawl (a game) and google-chrome.
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3354[21:24:02] <croddy> google-chrome is a pretty good example of what a third-party deb *should* look like, venturing outside of /opt only where absolutely necessary
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3356[21:24:20] <tom99> so if it's a repo for one specific package that's a good guideline because you can guess they packaged it specifically for your deb system?
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3358[21:24:28] <awal1> man people uses iwlwifi firmware; i wonder if debian maintainers patches it regarding how non-free/contrib stuff are managed under debian
3359[21:24:31] <tom99> croddy: ah ok
3360[21:24:33] <awal1> many ^
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3363[21:25:15] <awal1> greycat, but third party pkgs are also .deb
3364[21:25:16] <tom99> in the case of an individual package maybe there are ways to remove it safely?
3365[21:25:31] <greycat> awal1: And green is also a color. Yes, what of it?
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3368[21:25:52] <awal1> so you told never ever .deb
3369[21:26:05] <awal1> but third party ok if trusted
3370[21:26:07] <greycat> awal1: No, I said never use sources from a different distro.
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3375[21:26:29] <tom99> what if it's a third party deb that doesn't specifically say jessie or wheezy in it?
3376[21:26:49] <greycat> Then you have to make a decision.
3377[21:26:49] <awal1> greycat, right; excuses
3378[21:27:03] <greycat> awal1: The important part of my sentence was "different distro" not ".deb"
3379[21:27:10] <TomTomTosch> they sometimes say stable or something to that degree, you have to look at the datecode, then^^
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3382[21:27:35] <awal1> greycat, yeah, i just got confused. sorry :P
3383[21:27:43] <greycat> If I said "Never eat food that is poisoned", you wouldn't respond with "You said never eat food!"
3384[21:27:54] <awal1> hehe
3385[21:28:19] <tom99> Well xcas had decent looking webpage and some images, so that was enought to convince me of its legitimacy
3386[21:28:25] <tom99> Here's its instructions for deb/ubuntu: replaced-url
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3392[21:30:27] <Captain_Haddock> greycat: Thanks. The backport works fine :)
3393[21:30:49] <Captain_Haddock> (I followed the guide here: replaced-url
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3406[21:38:13] <Captain_Haddock> "This will install a package named mame-build-deps depending on the listed build dependencies. If you remove this package later, the actual build dependencies will be marked as "automatically installed and no longer needed" and can be cleared with apt-get autoremove."
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3409[21:38:35] <Captain_Haddock> I don't see a "mypackage-build-deps" ...
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3412[21:39:17] <TomTomTosch> try dpkg -l *build-deps*
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3424[21:42:12] <Captain_Haddock> Thanks. PEBKAC.
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3567[22:47:30] <john_rambo> A strange thing happened. While I was working the wallpaper changed all by itself. What can be the cause ? Was I hacked ?
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3571[22:48:37] <teraflops> huh?
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3586[22:54:28] <andril> o/
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3596[23:01:31] <cruncher> john_rambo, changed to what picture?
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3598[23:02:18] <john_rambo> cruncher, Another one from (I think) /usr/share/wallpapers
3599[23:02:27] <cruncher> i mean, it shouldnt, but if it changed to a debian standard pic maybe its just an error somewhere
3600[23:03:02] <john_rambo> Okay
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3608[23:04:59] <cruncher> john_rambo, you should check the logs for errors, login attemps/success, etc
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3611[23:05:46] <john_rambo> cruncher, Never done that before ... Where are the logs ?
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3614[23:06:17] <john_rambo> cruncher, I dont have any ports open
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3625[23:08:38] <cruncher> john_rambo, logs are located in /var/log, but a good start is man journalctl as if you never did that before it wont help you much to directly view a logfile
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3731[23:48:05] <dtcrshr> how do I setup debian to reach apt-get behind a proxy?
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3736[23:49:20] <izua> export http_proxy="http:..."
3737[23:49:25] <izua> export https_proxy="https:..."
3738[23:49:30] <izua> temporarily
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3745[23:52:48] <dtcrshr> izua, and how do I make it permanent?
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3748[23:53:53] <pawi> hicksd:
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3751[23:54:00] <pawi> Hello
3752[23:54:01] <izua> that setting affects the proxy globally (so every program will use that setting, in that shell)
3753[23:54:11] <izua> if you want it like that, put it to bash.rc
3754[23:54:23] <pawi> How do i joint the kali linux chatroom
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3760[23:54:59] <izua> if oyu want just apt to use the proxy, add in /etc/apt/apt.conf something like: Acquire::http::Proxy "replaced-url
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