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73 [01:38:54] <dob1> well I setup the ip in
/etc/network/interfaces (and it is in set when I do ip a) I setup
the gateway (I see it in ip route as default) but I can't ping
it
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75 [01:39:26] <dob1> but I should be aple to ping another host
in my lan even if I don't setup the gateway, right?
76 [01:39:50] <dob1> there is the route in ip route
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78 [01:40:53] <Brigo> dob1, those steps do not grant connection.
79 [01:41:30] <dob1> Brigo, what I miss?
80 [01:42:15] <Brigo> dob1, s/grant/ensure
81 [01:42:29] <Brigo> dob1, i don't know, what kind of
interface is that?
82 [01:42:34] <dob1> but on netstat -tuanwp I see there is an
established udp connection to the gateway...
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84 [01:43:02] <dob1> it's a virtual machine with debian
installed, consider that if I get the ip from dhcp server all works
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86 [01:43:21] <dob1> it's very strange
87 [01:43:28] <Brigo> the problem is with static ip then.
88 [01:43:41] <Brigo> check gateway and routes with dhcp
89 [01:44:05] <Brigo> and try to much them with static ip.
90 [01:45:06] <Brigo> dob1, what kind of container is that?
91 [01:45:13] <dob1> Brigo, virtualbox
92 [01:48:54] <dob1> Brigo, I resolved, there was a cron script
at reboot that was creating problems
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94 [01:49:47] <Brigo> dob1, nice.
95 [01:50:46] <wigums> is there anyway to blacklist a package
with apt or do i have to pin the package to prevent it from being
installed anytime i do apt upgrade?
96 [01:51:14] <sorcerer> yes wigums
97 [01:51:19] <sorcerer> well you apt-hold it
98 [01:51:32] <sorcerer> which will prevent apt-get from
updating that file
99 [01:51:51] <sorcerer> err that package
100 [01:51:54] <wigums> yea but i dont use apt-get i use apt
101 [01:51:58] <sorcerer> well
102 [01:52:00] <sorcerer> its the same thing
103 [01:52:08] <sorcerer> just different alias's rly
104 [01:52:19] <wigums> there doesnt appear to be any such
function in apt that i can find
105 [01:52:34] <sney> specifically it is 'apt-mark hold
packagename'
106 [01:52:39] <wigums> naw. apt is smarter than apt-get
107 [01:52:39] <sorcerer>
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108 [01:52:43] <sney> or aptitude hold
109 [01:52:55] <wigums> yea i dont run aptitude either i use apt
110 [01:53:12] <sney> congratulations, good thing they all obey
each others' settings
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250 [04:43:58] <sirwilhelm> what browser is best with buster my
firefox tab crashes when trying to listen to liveatc
251 [04:46:05] <n4dir> in general you can choose between chromium
and firefox, and thats about it
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253 [04:46:31] <mason> !sns
254 [04:46:31] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious
disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time
something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about
<backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than
upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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257 [04:47:57] <sirwilhelm> thanks n4dir so how do i keep tabs
from crashing
258 [04:48:01] <quadrathoch2> n4dir eh, I wouldn't recommend
chromium right now :/ way too chessy right now
259 [04:48:15] <quadrathoch2> cheesy (security holes)
260 [04:48:20] <n4dir> me neither, but there simply aren't
other options, that was my point
261 [04:48:52] <quadrathoch2> theoretically, chrome
262 [04:48:55] <quadrathoch2> or edge
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264 [04:50:00] <acheam> QuteBrowser, midori, falkon, brave. There
are quite a few out there, but some are a pain to use, and most are
just re-skinned chromium
265 [04:50:20] <sirwilhelm> i want to stay with firefox so how do
i not have tabs crash
266 [04:50:35] <acheam> do you have any logs or debug info?
267 [04:50:56] <n4dir> "some are a pain to use". hence
...
268 [04:51:20] <sirwilhelm> acheam where would the logs be found
in system
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271 [04:54:01] <acheam> `journalctl /usr/bin/firefox` is where I
would look
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274 [04:54:52] <acheam> you might want to try in safe mode
(disables your addons and some other stuff) to see if they could be
the issue
275 [04:55:17] <acheam> sirwilhelm: I don't use firefox that
much anymore though
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278 [04:57:45] <sirwilhelm> acheam: what do you use
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280 [04:58:28] <acheam> sirwilhelm: QuteBrowser at the moment
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283 [04:59:09] <n4dir> i mainly use falkon, but on other machines
it crashed and other users reported the same. Same for midori
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285 [04:59:42] <n4dir> in general i try to avoid the web.
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287 [05:00:43] <jmcnaught> In buster only firefox-esr, chromium,
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288 [05:03:52] <jmcnaught> sirwilhelm: you can run firefox from a
terminal emulator to see if it outputs any errors there when tabs
crash.
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290 [05:05:24] <sirwilhelm> ok thanks all goodnight
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298 [05:24:43] <alex11> is there decent support for video game
console emulators in debian?
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308 [05:34:30] <quadrathoch2> Depends on the console imho alex11
309 [05:35:28] <alex11> i've tried using retroarch and
it's just like "how the hell does this work"
310 [05:35:35] <alex11> but maybe i just need to actually invest
some time and learn
311 [05:35:47] <jmcnaught>
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312 [05:35:56] <jmcnaught> lots of them
313 [05:36:15] <alex11> cheers
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374 [07:36:19] <ham1986> video=efifb:eek:ff" <--what code
does that belong to, any idea?
375 [07:36:25] <ham1986> how to obtain that code.
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384 [07:51:00] <ham1986> it does not look like a mac address.
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445 [09:27:32] <RoyK> ham1986: looks like an exert of a SLAAC
ipv6 address
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450 [09:31:22] <nikolam> Hi, I am thinking of deploying Debian
for NAS use, and I will deploy it in VM.
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453 [09:32:34] <nikolam> I am just thinking if I would deploy
Debian with Linux kernel or without it. I would prefer without Linux
kernel, have Debian 9 available. (Smartos illumos/ lx zone)
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455 [09:33:09] <nikolam> My question is what Debian releases are
, like, "LTS" releases, like on Ubuntu, for the longer
usage.
456 [09:33:37] <nikolam> I suppose Debian 10 is not long term
supported or is, and for how long Debian 9 will be supported.
457 [09:34:37] <nikolam> best case scenario would be long term
supported Debian on top of "lx" Soalris zone on
illumos/Smartos , without actual Linux kernel to maintain.
458 [09:34:38] <jmcnaught> nikolam:
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460 [09:35:06] <rathdome> hello guys here to ask a question I
can't find the answer to
461 [09:35:19] <rathdome> atleast not on google
462 [09:35:55] <rathdome> does anyone know if google file stream
supports windows powershell? more specifically the tree command?
463 [09:37:13] <jmcnaught> rathdome: there is a ##windows channel
where that would be on topic.
464 [09:37:44] <rathdome> @jmcnaught thanks mate
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466 [09:39:03] <RoyK> nikolam: how would you deploy debian
without a kernel?
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468 [09:39:27] <ratrace> was just about to ask that ... but then
I recon they maybe mean the kernel is given from by the hypervisor?
469 [09:39:46] <ratrace> (ie the kernel used is predetermined,
not part of the rootfs)
470 [09:40:06] <RoyK> illumos, hm, is that still present?
471 [09:40:20] <ratrace> alive and kicking
472 [09:41:12] <nikolam> RoyK, There' something called
"LX zone" (Solaris zones) on top of illumos kernel
(Opensolaris continuation), using one of illumos distros (Smartos
used for Triton cloud from Joyent/Samsung , OmniosCE, etc). It just
presents Linux ABI to the OS and it runs without Linux kernel.
473 [09:41:49] <ratrace> that's a container tho, not a VM
474 [09:41:50] <RoyK> I see - what's so bad about linux,
then?
475 [09:42:03] <nikolam> It also runs docker in lx zones , but
that is out of scope for Debian talk.
476 [09:42:09] <ratrace> solaris zones are THE original
"containers" that linux is boasting these days.
477 [09:42:24] * RoyK worke with opensolaris/openindiana some 10 years
back for mass storage
478 [09:42:37] <RoyK> *worked*
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483 [09:44:19] <nikolam> I have Debian 9 available as Smartos
image (imagadm) for lx zone on top of ZFS dataset, and there is
Debian 10 but as ZFS volume, with KVM/Bhyve. I plan of using Debian
9 as lx zone to avoid using VM, yes.
484 [09:44:38] <nikolam> And avoid running Linux kernel
485 [09:45:45] <nikolam> Actually, let me try Debian 9 in lx, and
I can report how it is going. I am thinking running openmediavault
on it, with ZFS integrations.
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487 [09:46:43] <ratrace> I really wonder if you can even start
it. also, openmediavault != debian
488 [09:46:48] <ratrace> !based on debian
489 [09:46:48] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare
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490 [09:49:09] <nikolam> ratrace, I think openmediavault can be
also used as a sum of packages on top of Debian, as apps.
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492 [09:50:04] <ratrace> I doubt that
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494 [09:50:06] <nikolam> dpkg, I think it is Debian only without
Linux kernel. Could be packages are recompiled, could be that they
are orriginal. I will try it and see how and if it works.
495 [09:50:07] <dpkg> nikolam: what are you talking about?
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497 [09:50:19] <ratrace> you're talking to the bot... again.
:)
498 [09:50:24] <nikolam> ratrace, I found it on their Wiki,
regular thing, just add repo.
499 [09:50:45] <nikolam> dpkg, I don't need Linux kernel to
run Debian. :P
500 [09:50:45] <dpkg> nikolam: I wish you would RTFM.
501 [09:50:51] <nikolam> dpkg, ok
502 [09:50:51] <dpkg> nikolam: I'm not sure, is it larger
than a breadbox?
503 [09:51:08] <ratrace> you're talking to the bot... again.
:)
504 [09:51:11] <nikolam> dpkg, let me try and I will report how
big it is.
505 [09:51:12] <dpkg> nikolam: I don't know, could you
explain it?
506 [09:51:16] <ratrace> you're talking to the bot... again.
:)
507 [09:51:30] <nikolam> ratrace, oh.
508 [09:51:37] <ratrace> !botsnack
509 [09:51:37] <dpkg> ratrace: thanks
510 [09:52:00] <ratrace> nikolam: meanwhile, can you link the
docs that say you can install OMV atop of regular debian? I
can't find any info on that
511 [09:52:13] <ratrace> sure there's a repo for OMV but you
need to install it as a distro in its own first
512 [09:52:35] <nikolam> ratrace,
replaced-url
513 [09:54:09] <ratrace> I see. though that seems to be using the
netinst base to replace and bring in its own packages, thus making
it a separate distro really, just based on debian.
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516 [09:54:45] <ratrace> anyway, I wonder how that would work in
a solaris zone with no linux kernel. OMV zfs implementation might
conflict that
517 [09:55:02] <ratrace> I mean I'm curious now.
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520 [09:57:50] <nikolam> Debian 9 in Smartos lx image is around
140MB to download with 'imgadm'
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522 [09:58:23] <nikolam> raytrace you are right, OMV is yet to
see.
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581 [11:17:27] <unixbsd> Hello, which unix/bsd filesystem can be
read out of the box on debian, i.e. a5 freebsd, a6 opensbd, a7
nextstep, a8 darwin ufs, a9 netbsd, and bf Solaris?
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592 [11:29:38] <nkuttler> unixbsd: those aren't filesystems
but partition types?
593 [11:33:11] <unixbsd> something like that that kernel/ufs with
e.g. ufs.ko on linux.
594 [11:36:02] <unixbsd> there are quite a lot: e.g. chfs efs ffs
fss hfs lfs mfs nilfs.
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600 [11:51:36] <ratrace> unixbsd: for all intents and purposes,
none, except zfs to share with freebsd; there's some very
experimental ufs support
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602 [11:52:04] <unixbsd> On ARM, there is no ufs.ko for UFS. is
that normal? but ufs.ko is there on amd64
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604 [11:52:19] <ratrace> ufs support on linux is very, very
experimental
605 [11:52:23] <ratrace> (and I think readonly)
606 [11:52:30] <unixbsd> is ffs2 better?
607 [11:52:53] <unixbsd> or maybe zfs better read/write?
608 [11:53:41] <ratrace> zfs on linux is THE openzfs reference
implementation
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610 [11:53:57] <unixbsd> ratrace: what do you mean?
611 [11:54:18] <ratrace> literally what I said. ZFS
implementation on Linux became THE reference OpenZFS implementation.
612 [11:54:48] <unixbsd> you mean, that it works read/write fine
on linux debian, i.e. this openzfs
613 [11:54:51] <ratrace> thus, yes, if you can use ZFS to share
data with FreeBSD, do so. that's the only fully supported fs,
being that it's the reference implementation.
614 [11:55:23] <unixbsd> sounds good to me. I need to transfert
disks 8tb
615 [11:55:59] <unixbsd> well, but zfs.ko is not in raspberry arm
debian
616 [11:57:05] <ratrace> zfs-dkms is supported on all
architectures on Debian
617 [11:57:19] <ratrace> if you're not using debian,
that's something you should solve yourself, not here.
618 [11:57:31] <unixbsd> I didnt find zfs-dkms.ko
619 [11:57:46] <ratrace> that's a packate that builds a .ko,
not a .ko itself
620 [11:57:48] <ratrace> *package
621 [11:57:55] <ratrace> ,v zfs-dkms
622 [11:57:56] <judd> Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 --
stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.9-5; stretch-backports/contrib:
0.7.12-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 0.7.12-2+deb10u2;
stretch-backports-sloppy/contrib: 0.7.13-1~bpo9+1;
buster-backports/contrib: 0.8.4-2~bpo10+1; buster-backports/contrib:
0.8.5-2~bpo10+1; bullseye/contrib: 0.8.5-2; sid/contrib: 0.8.5-2
623 [11:58:14] <unixbsd> apt-get install zfs-kms you mean ..?
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625 [11:58:31] <ratrace> no I mean apt install zfs-dkms and apt
install zfsutils-linux
626 [11:59:12] <unixbsd> it is building...
627 [11:59:39] <unixbsd> openzfs is as well on netbsd, sounds
good news for all.
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629 [12:02:09] <ratrace> unixbsd: just be careful about supported
versions. if zfs on the bsd of your choice is newer, you might need
the backported 0.8.x zfs on buster, as default is 0.7.x
630 [12:02:47] <unixbsd> oh man, thank you very much!
631 [12:02:57] <unixbsd> 8tb is long, this might same me time
632 [12:03:15] <ratrace> are you using zfs send|receive to
transfer data?
633 [12:03:22] <unixbsd> maybe the best is to go for ext2fs/ext2
that is faster than ufs/ffs for making transfert.?
634 [12:03:22] <ratrace> are you / will you be
635 [12:03:34] <ratrace> !xy
636 [12:03:34] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you
need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We
suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell
us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely
diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's
easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See
replaced-url
637 [12:04:30] <unixbsd> ah could be indeed.
638 [12:04:59] <unixbsd> ah yeah ext2 has no 8tb support, max 2tb
639 [12:05:19] <ratrace> how about you back up and start from the
beginning, what is it _exactly_ you want to achieve
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641 [12:06:22] <unixbsd> I have a A5 GPT disk UFS and I need to
copy files from netbsd machine on the way and from Linux ext4. I
need a fs that handle those machines. ah it is a usb disk portable
WD extension.
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644 [12:07:13] <ratrace> so you already have data on some
filesystem? how did you imagine using ZFS or some other filesytem
then?
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646 [12:07:49] <unixbsd> zfs is on netbsd and freebsd, that would
allow to move, if in case it runs on linux. Since ext2 is max 2tb.
there arent much ways.
647 [12:08:35] <ratrace> you just said UFS, you never mentioned
ZFS in your supposedly "describe problem from the
beginning" post. so, please, again start from the VERY
beginning. whta filesystem you have on those disks, that you want to
copy over data to somewhere else?
648 [12:08:47] <unixbsd> the problem with ext is that files are
up to 2TB.
649 [12:08:51] <ratrace> stop.
650 [12:09:13] <ratrace> again, what filesystem is on the
"usb disk portable WD extension"?
651 [12:09:26] <unixbsd> !xy
652 [12:09:26] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you
need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We
suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell
us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely
diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's
easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See
replaced-url
653 [12:09:28] <ratrace> or is that the target drive?
654 [12:09:47] <unixbsd> I need to stop and to read a little
while. I am confused with limitations of each FSs.
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656 [12:10:06] <ratrace> unixbsd: you need to explain the current
state, without speculation of what if when and whether.
657 [12:10:28] <unixbsd> ah, that will be transfert disk. for the
moment, it is UFS A5 BSD. ... for the moment.
658 [12:10:35] <ratrace> so, start by describing CURRENT,
EXISTING STATE of your data. it's a disk (external, usb WD
thing?), and there's a filesystem on it? which one?
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660 [12:11:23] <unixbsd> yeah the transfert is done over usb
portable disk (wd extension, cable, portable).
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662 [12:12:03] <ratrace> okay, so you want to copy data from
machine A (running netbsd?) to disk N, so that you can use disk N on
machine B running Linux?
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665 [12:14:44] <unixbsd> sort to say, a compatible FS for linux,
freebsd and netbsd. Likely looking at the files, there is only ZFS
that comes on the list of fs which modern file size support.
666 [12:15:36] <ratrace> ZFS is the only thing, assuming netbsd
supports it, I don't know if it does.
667 [12:16:04] <ratrace> alternatively, you can set up nfs or smb
based sharing between the machines
668 [12:16:09] <unixbsd> the modules are those ...
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669 [12:16:12] <unixbsd> I see zfs.
670 [12:17:07] <ratrace> I don't know what that is.
it's on you to find out of netbsd supports ZFS and to what
extent.
671 [12:17:12] <ratrace> *if
672 [12:17:23] <unixbsd> yeah ... if indeed.
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685 [12:36:39] <jim> hi. how would I set up a debian mirror (not
push)?
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705 [13:02:38] <L0aD1nG> hello
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708 [13:03:08] <L0aD1nG> I face a problem with the sound on
debian 10
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711 [13:03:48] <L0aD1nG> i installed pulseaudio from backports,
but this didnt solve the problem now how do i can install it back
from stable?
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716 [13:09:02] <BCMM> L0aD1nG: have you tried apt-get -t stable
install pulseaudio?
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718 [13:10:16] <L0aD1nG> BCMM: i did it but putted
"buster" instead of stable
719 [13:10:23] <BCMM> what happened?
720 [13:10:24] <L0aD1nG> let me redo
721 [13:10:55] <L0aD1nG> it reinstalled from backports
722 [13:11:17] <L0aD1nG> did : "apt-get -t buster
--reinstall install pulseaudio"
723 [13:12:57] <L0aD1nG> BCMM: i get the same error that the
requirements of pulseaudio will be install from stable but
pulseaudio will be installed from bpo so this cant be done (says
apt)...
724 [13:13:13] <BCMM> not the other way around?
725 [13:14:08] <L0aD1nG> what do you mean i ran the command you
said and get this.. want me to pastebin it?
726 [13:14:15] <BCMM> oh hang on, i think it should be apt-get
install pulseaudio/stable
727 [13:14:41] <BCMM> but you may need to also add whatever deps
got pulled from backports to that
728 [13:14:49] <L0aD1nG> cool it runs
729 [13:15:23] <L0aD1nG> but now the question is will put this
package prioritized on stable, i mean not upgraded from backports??
730 [13:16:37] <L0aD1nG> BCMM: i did it now its fine
731 [13:16:42] <BCMM> you mean, is it going to get automatically
upgraded to backports next time you upgrade?
732 [13:16:54] <L0aD1nG> BCMM: no to stable
733 [13:17:11] <BCMM> i'm sorry, i don't understand teh
question
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735 [13:17:52] <L0aD1nG> now i installed pulseaudio from stable
as you said, will it get upgraded from backports on upgrades or from
stable?
736 [13:18:10] <L0aD1nG> when i do apt-get upgrade
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739 [13:20:02] <L0aD1nG> I guess from stable..
740 [13:20:04] <L0aD1nG> nvm
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743 [13:21:15] <L0aD1nG> BCMM: can you help me with the actuall
problem that caused all this bpo etc?? I am facing a problem, when i
logout pulseaudio turns off when i log back in. What should i do?
744 [13:22:02] <L0aD1nG> if i run it manually it doesnt work
properly also.
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750 [13:35:24] <L0aD1nG> i found the manual solution
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753 [13:38:57] <L0aD1nG> BCMM: thanks a lot for the help man!
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791 [14:22:59] <blurkis> Im deeply sorry for disturbing. Im
trying to install drivers for a usb-wifi (netgear a6150), and doing
so Im told to install kernel-headers. The problem being that Im
running recent bullseye, and apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname
-r) does not work, there is no such package. Any idéa? I know
running bullseye might be my problem, but right now my life is quite
hectic so I get to live with that
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793 [14:23:02] <blurkis> decision right now..
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835 [14:51:31] <quadrathoch2> !debian-next
836 [14:51:31] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net. See also
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852 [15:06:42] <nulleip> hey, someone else have problems with
rl_prep_terminal from readline 8.1?
853 [15:06:56] <nulleip> it segfaults for me, but on 8.0 it
doesnt
854 [15:07:27] <nulleip> thats on debian unstable
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858 [15:10:06] <quadrathoch2> !debian-next
859 [15:10:07] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net. See also
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872 [15:23:40] <_Fremen_> hello everyone
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874 [15:24:18] <_Fremen_> does anyone know why this program is
not in debian repositories? Is it because of copyright or etc?
replaced-url
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877 [15:26:21] <nkuttler> _Fremen_: well, somebody needs to
package it. if no developer uses it, it's not likely to get
packaged
878 [15:26:54] <_Fremen_> nkuttler, so it is because of developer
laziness rather than legal troubles?
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880 [15:28:01] <nkuttler> _Fremen_: calling people lazy because
they don't need something you need sounds rather rude
881 [15:28:19] <nkuttler> and i don't know why every debian
developer doesn't package it
882 [15:28:56] <nkuttler> _Fremen_: if you want to see it in
debian you can become a dd yourself
883 [15:29:19] <AimHere> _Fremen_, the reason it's not a
Debian package is because you haven't done it yet
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886 [15:31:02] <_Fremen_> nkuttler, I apologize if that was rude,
that was not my intention. I assume to correct term would be
"disinterest" in this case?
887 [15:31:52] <_Fremen_> AimHere, unfortunately I am both busy
and lazy for that :). But maybe in the future I could do something
like this if I develop a software of my own
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891 [15:38:27] <n4dir> the installation instructions seem pretty
straight forward, so if you really have to use it, why not
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894 [15:40:40] <_Fremen_> n4dir, I did not wanted to use
something not in the official repos, thats it actually.
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896 [15:41:23] <n4dir> yeah, that sure makes sense. Hence i added
"if you really have to".
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899 [15:42:30] <_Fremen_> n4dir, thanks for the suggestion then
:)
900 [15:42:38] <_Fremen_> thanks very much everyone, have a nice
day
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941 [16:18:10] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys
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945 [16:19:31] <Eryn_1983_FL> so i am trying to find a email
service I can use, that is not gmail, for sending emails on
nextcloud, smtp, login plain ,
946 [16:19:47] <Eryn_1983_FL> i have had issues in the past with
gmail and my phone email/number,
947 [16:20:02] <Eryn_1983_FL> where would get alot of alerts from
computers and it would shut off the emails from coming in,
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949 [16:20:25] <Eryn_1983_FL> even now gmail refuses to receive
emails with different headers then actual location.
950 [16:20:26] <nkuttler> Eryn_1983_FL: in which country?
951 [16:20:30] <Eryn_1983_FL> USA
952 [16:20:36] <Eryn_1983_FL> all users there
953 [16:20:58] <Eryn_1983_FL> i've had mailgun before and
that even got blocked!
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955 [16:21:23] <Eryn_1983_FL> and its my own devices too, not
like im a company,
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957 [16:25:42] <Eryn_1983_FL> any ideas?
958 [16:25:57] <Eryn_1983_FL> should i just use my own dns domain
and postfix to set it up??
959 [16:26:11] <Eryn_1983_FL> and hope gmail and phone doesnt
block me again?
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961 [16:27:07] <GNU\colossus> email deliverability is a difficult
topic, and #debian is not the best venue to discuss it. try
email maybe. also, maybe take a look at ##replaced-url
962 [16:28:09] <soman> Debian 9, Radeon R7 250,
/usr/bin/vulkaninfo fives an error failed with
VK_ERROR_INITIALIZATION_FAILED. How can I properly set up the vulkan
and drivers? Additional info here =>
replaced-url
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966 [16:35:31] <Eryn_1983_FL> yeah i have used mailgun in the
past,
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968 [16:35:51] <Eryn_1983_FL> ill see what #email can help with
969 [16:36:31] <GNU\colossus> soman, I guess that is a lost cause
on Debian 9, upgrade to 10.
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1060 [18:25:16] <no_gravity> My calendar widget in the taskbar
starts the week on Sunday. Is it possible to change it to Monday?
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1063 [18:28:41] <EdePopede> funny thing, no_gravity:
replaced-url
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1066 [18:29:26] <no_gravity> EdePopede: Hmm... I am using Mate
though.
1067 [18:29:39] <EdePopede> here it starts on sunday and i'd
like it to be on monday
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1069 [18:29:55] <no_gravity> EdePopede: We could trade
appartments.
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1071 [18:30:02] <EdePopede> no_gravity, yep. i'd ask in the
channel for your DE
1072 [18:30:10] <EdePopede> heh. but i like it here!
1073 [18:30:19] <no_gravity> Where are you based?
1074 [18:30:28] <EdePopede> germany, so monday :)
1075 [18:30:52] <no_gravity> What, I'm in Germany too.
1076 [18:30:54] <EdePopede> i'm surprised btw that the bug
report mentions monday for N-America
1077 [18:30:59] <EdePopede> huh
1078 [18:31:31] <EdePopede> ah, may be it is because i didn't
localize too much (system still waiting to get replaced)
1079 [18:31:46] <EdePopede> had it on monday in the past
1080 [18:31:55] <no_gravity> I want Monday too.
1081 [18:32:08] <format_c> it's a common error since sunday
is really the first day of the week in the roman calendar and the
date functions return the weekday in that order.
1082 [18:32:09] <EdePopede> still would be nice to have cli
options for these things
1083 [18:33:12] <EdePopede> format_c: only then the term
"weekend" makes no sense
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1085 [18:33:48] <EdePopede> but then at least in German Wednesday
denotes the middle of the week
1086 [18:34:09] <format_c> I just said it's a common error.
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1094 [18:38:31] <format_c> "This arrangement is similar to a
week in the Bible in which the seven days are simply numbered with
the first day being a Christian day of worship (aligned with Sunday)
and the seventh day being a sabbath day (Saturday). " from
Wikipedia
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1102 [18:42:15] <EdePopede> sabbath, exactly. but it switched to
sunday in christianity. still it's "jewish-christian
tradition" to end on saturday. until the ISO recommended
starting it on monday in 1975.
1103 [18:43:07] <EdePopede> and with the octave going from sunday
to sunday, starting at 0... people prefer 1.
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1106 [18:45:18] <quadrathoch2> EdePopede no_gravity what does your
LC_TIME say? normally I switch to en_GB
1107 [18:45:38] <EdePopede> nada
1108 [18:45:42] <format_c> Perl's localtime() function is the
same: from `perldoc -f localtime':
1109 [18:46:05] <format_c> $wday is the day of the week, with 0
indicating Sunday and 3 indicating Wednesday.
1110 [18:46:11] <EdePopede> ah, from locale:
LC_TIME="en_US.utf8"
1111 [18:46:17] <no_gravity> quadrathoch2: I have an LC_TIME? What
is it? And how do I make it say something?
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1116 [18:47:42] <EdePopede> in germany it's really odd. 1976
the ISO recommendation updated the corresponding standard from
sunday to monday. the original had been from 1943.
1117 [18:47:43] <quadrathoch2> normally, /etc/default/locale,
there you can set different locales for different parts of the
'locale' so I have everything in en_US, except TIME, which
is en_GB, while sitting in de_DE ;)
1118 [18:48:29] <no_gravity> quadrathoch2: There is a bunch of
stuff in there. But no "LC_TIME".
1119 [18:48:41] <no_gravity> LC_PAPER="de_DE.UTF-8" :)
1120 [18:49:29] <EdePopede> LANGUAGE=en_US:en, everything else is
.utf8
1121 [18:49:50] <quadrathoch2> no_gravity you would need to add it
replaced-url
1122 [18:51:04] <no_gravity> quadrathoch2: I am a bit afraid what
other stuff that might change ...
1123 [18:51:14] <no_gravity> quadrathoch2: Do I have to reboot
afterwareds?
1124 [18:51:29] <quadrathoch2> relog is enough
1125 [18:51:38] <no_gravity> quadrathoch2: How do I perform a
relog?
1126 [18:52:07] <EdePopede> logout, login
1127 [18:52:10] <quadrathoch2> logout and login again :)
1128 [18:52:20] <no_gravity> Ok ...
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1130 [18:53:26] <EdePopede> is there a reason why the wiki article
uses de_DE.iso88591 as an example? i mean, what about utf8?
1131 [18:54:12] <quadrathoch2> EdePopede the article is just old
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