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• 4[00:00:49] <Descriptioned> sney: i reinstalled a different version of a software, and i get this error
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• 6[00:01:35] <sney> still pretty vague, but you probably need to delete the settings from the previous version you had installed, which may be in your home directory in either ~/.config or ~/.programname
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• 8[00:04:36] <Descriptioned> the directory was /opt/popcorntime i already rm -rf the directory
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• 39[00:36:07] <brutser> debian expert install, execute shell and cryptsetup luksFormat .. --type luks1 /dev/sda2 -> then cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda2 luksroot and continued install. created LVM on it with only vg1-rootvol and vg1-swap -> no grub install, completed install and rebooted to grub, then tried: cryptomount (ahci0,msdos2) -> set root='lvm/vg1-rootvol' -> linux
• 40[00:36:08] <brutser> /vmlinuz cryptdevice=/dev/mapper/vg1-rootvol:root root=/dev/mapper/vg1-rootvol quiet <---- this kernel line is failing i think, decryption works, then it says cryptsetup: luksroot: set up successfully, but then it keeps saying: 'Cannot process volume group vg1'
• 41[00:36:23] <brutser> until eventually it shows initramfs prompt
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• 43[00:37:51] <trek00> brutser: may be cryptdevice needs to be = /dev/sda2?
• 44[00:39:07] <brutser> trek00: let me try that now
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• 46[00:40:03] <trek00> brutser: or may be cryptdevice=/dev/sda2:rootvol ?
• 47[00:40:29] <brutser> rootvol is the logical volume
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• 50[00:42:18] <brutser> trek00: if i just remove cryptdevice= then the result is the same
• 51[00:42:33] <trek00> brutser: probably you are inside the initrd filesystem
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• 54[00:43:18] <Maizum> clear
• 55[00:43:28] <trek00> brutser: reading replaced-url
• 56[00:43:29] <Maizum> list
• 57[00:43:43] <brutser> trek00: ok let me try that one!
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• 59[00:45:18] <brutser> trek00: exact same result
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• 61[00:45:27] <brutser> Cannot process volume group vg1
• 62[00:45:35] <brutser> Volume group vg1 not found
• 63[00:45:47] <brutser> and then eventually (initramfs) prompt
• 64[00:45:57] <trek00> brutser: if you open a shell, what lsblk prints?
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• 66[00:46:27] <brutser> how to open a shell if system not boots?
• 67[00:46:53] <trek00> brutser: i thought there was an initramfs prompt
• 68[00:47:10] <brutser> btw, it says: ALERT! /dev/mapper/vg1-rootvol does not exist. Dropping to a shell!
• 69[00:47:22] <brutser> yes but initramfs not have lsblk
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• 71[00:48:05] <trek00> brutser: can you do? ls -l /dev/mapper
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• 73[00:48:14] <brutser> yes i was just doing that
• 74[00:48:20] <brutser> it only show: control luksroot
• 75[00:48:38] <trek00> well it seems even not decrypted luks
• 76[00:49:23] <brutser> but from grub i can ls / and it show the whole rootfs
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• 78[00:49:56] <brutser> i do " set root='lvm/vg1-rootvol' "
• 79[00:50:01] <brutser> and after i do " ls / "
• 80[00:50:05] <brutser> and it show rootfs
• 81[00:50:25] <trek00> brutser: grub and the kernel are independent
• 82[00:50:30] <tomreyn> wouldn't /dev/mapper/luksroot be the decrypted device?
• 83[00:50:40] <tomreyn> it looks like pvscan failed?
• 84[00:50:50] <trek00> brutser: grub decrypt the rootfs to read the the kernel and initrd, then the kernel need to decrypt the rootfs again
• 85[00:51:02] <brutser> trek00: yea that's true
• 86[00:51:37] <trek00> tomreyn: may be you're right
• 87[00:51:41] <brutser> tomreyn: let me check on that, what i did was debian expert install, then executed shell and encrypted /dev/sda2 with luks1 type - then installed the system on the LVM i created there
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• 89[00:52:20] <trek00> well it luksroot should be decrypted, but lvm not loaded
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• 91[00:53:22] <tomreyn> run "lvm" to get the interactive lvm console (if lvm is available), then "pvscan"
• 92[00:53:43] <tomreyn> or "lvmdiskscan"
• 93[00:53:51] <brutser> ok moment
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• 95[00:55:10] <tomreyn> current grub2 also supports luks2 btw. but it's not in stable, i'm sure.
• 96[00:55:42] <tomreyn> i think they merged it in february
• 97[00:55:47] <brutser> tomreyn: yea, but i use some grub patches that don't work yet with v2.0.6
• 98[00:56:05] <tomreyn> i see
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• 100[00:57:10] <brutser> tomreyn: PV /dev/sda1 VG vg0 lvm2
• 101[00:57:13] <brutser> that's the only one it finds
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• 103[00:57:31] <tomreyn> and is it the right one?
• 104[00:57:34] <brutser> no
• 105[00:57:45] <tomreyn> what about lvmdiskscan?
• 106[00:57:53] <brutser> that show:
• 107[00:58:14] <brutser> -- /dev/sda1 <7.45GB] LVM physical volume
• 108[00:58:25] <brutser> -- /dev/sda2 <7.55GB]
• 109[00:58:28] <brutser> 1 partition
• 110[00:58:32] <brutser> 1 LVM physical volume
• 111[00:58:43] <brutser> it doesn't see the LVM i created on the encrypted /dev/sda2
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• 114[00:59:00] <tomreyn> did you create /etc/crypttab before creating the initrd?
• 115[00:59:11] <trek00> try pvscan /dev/mapper/luksroot
• 116[00:59:49] <brutser> trek00: command deos not accept argument: /dev/mapper/luksroot
• 117[01:00:08] <trek00> tomreyn: is there a way to scan a specified device?
• 118[01:00:16] <tomreyn> pvdata
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• 121[01:00:46] <tomreyn> actually not, sorry
• 122[01:00:55] <brutser> tomreyn: pvs show only /dev/sda1 vg0
• 123[01:01:09] <trek00> pvscan --cache /dev/mapper/luksroot ?
• 124[01:01:10] <tomreyn> pvck /dev/mapper/luksroot
• 125[01:01:33] <trek00> good!
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• 127[01:01:53] <brutser> crypttab i put: luksroot /dev/sda2 /etc/luksboot/key.bin luks,keyscript=decrypt_luks
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• 129[01:02:41] <tomreyn> brutser: what about the pvck?
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• 132[01:02:58] <brutser> Device /dev/mapper/luksroot excluded by a filter
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• 134[01:03:23] <brutser> maybe i should explain (write down) on a pastebin, exact what i have done, it's not much, it's probably 1 minute read/write
• 135[01:03:42] <tomreyn> hmm, does it only accept /dev/mapper/devicename_crypt there?
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• 139[01:04:46] <tomreyn> maybe this could help, yes. although ti seems quite clear that the issue is with lvm not detecting the PV.
• 140[01:05:10] <tomreyn> crypttab was a red herring, i think
• 141[01:05:28] <tomreyn> because the decrypted device is there
• 142[01:05:38] <trek00> may be lvm.conf has some filter?
• 143[01:05:53] <tomreyn> yes, that's possible
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• 145[01:06:06] <brutser> sec guys, i just write down, it's 1-2 min
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• 153[01:07:53] <tomreyn> file -s /dev/mapper/luksroot and stat /dev/mapper/luksroot may also help
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• 160[01:10:59] <brutser> trek00, tomreyn: replaced-url
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• 164[01:13:18] <brutser> stat /dev/mapper/luksroot -> File: /dev/mapper/luksroot -> '../dm-0'
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• 166[01:13:38] <brutser> further relevant into: Access: (0777/lrwxrwxrwx)
• 167[01:13:52] <trek00> brutser: and file -s?
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• 169[01:14:05] <brutser> file: not found
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• 175[01:15:27] <brutser> it's gonna be a dot or a comma i feel, like it always is
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• 178[01:16:55] <trek00> brutser: may be: cryptdevice=/dev/sda2:vg1 root=/dev/mapper/vg1-rootvol
• 179[01:17:03] <brutser> why does " set root='lvm/vg1-rootvol' " work? this can only be when the volume group and thus lvm is accessible
• 180[01:17:27] <brutser> trek00: ok let me reboot and try
• 181[01:18:49] <brutser> ok interesting
• 182[01:18:53] <brutser> when i rebooted
• 183[01:19:01] <brutser> i do cryptomount from the grub console
• 184[01:19:07] <brutser> then i just do "ls"
• 185[01:19:13] <brutser> i find:
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• 188[01:19:38] <brutser> (lvm/vg1-swap) (lvm/vg1-rootvol)
• 189[01:19:55] <brutser> that are the 2 logical volumes on the encrypted partition
• 190[01:20:22] <trek00> grub works, so the setup is ok, it's only the kernel commandline and/or initrd to be fixed
• 191[01:20:23] <brutser> so that is also why set root='lvm/vg1-rootvol' works
• 192[01:20:34] <brutser> trek00: yes sorry i got confused
• 193[01:22:24] <brutser> trek00: your last suggestion, same issue still
• 194[01:22:31] <tomreyn> are you ins the initrd again?
• 195[01:22:36] <brutser> tomreyn: yes
• 196[01:22:46] <tomreyn> do you have the blkid command there?
• 197[01:22:56] <brutser> yes
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• 199[01:23:06] <tomreyn> if so, run it against /dev/mapper/luksroot
• 200[01:23:37] <brutser> -- /dev/mapper/luksroot: PTUUID="xxxx" PTTYPE="dos"
• 201[01:24:05] <tomreyn> thats an msdos partition table
• 202[01:25:08] <tomreyn> so not an lvm pv
• 203[01:25:13] <brutser> that should be it yes...
• 204[01:25:34] <brutser> how could that be?
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• 206[01:25:51] <tomreyn> or maybe it's an lvm pv which is not being detected with an msdos partition signature at the start
• 207[01:26:07] <brutser> strange
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• 210[01:26:33] <brutser> at what part of the instalation could this have gone wrong?
• 211[01:26:41] <brutser> so then i will re-do all and pay extra attention
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• 213[01:26:50] <brutser> paritioning i guess
• 214[01:27:07] <brutser> scripts i use do not much with that
• 215[01:27:14] <brutser> oh wait..
• 216[01:27:28] <trek00> brutser: debian installer can't do an encrypted root?
• 217[01:27:49] <brutser> cryptsetup luksOpen ${luksdevice} luksrootmkfs.ext4 -m 1 -L root /dev/mapper/luksroot
• 218[01:27:56] <brutser> i seem to format it before i create the lvm on it
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• 220[01:28:01] <brutser> could that have created this issues?
• 221[01:28:15] <brutser> trek00: encrypted root yes, but not with boot files in it
• 222[01:28:22] <trek00> ok
• 223[01:28:39] <brutser> that format could that have created the msdos partition table?
• 224[01:29:33] <tomreyn> formatting with ext4 wouldn't create an msdos partition table
• 225[01:29:56] <tomreyn> but it could have been there previously, and maybe not overwritten
• 226[01:30:02] <brutser> do i need a partition table on it? like it maybe is created automatic?
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• 228[01:30:11] <tomreyn> you should clean the superblock when creating a pv
• 229[01:30:17] <brutser> ok
• 230[01:30:27] <brutser> i am off to the start line
• 231[01:30:30] <tomreyn> you don't need a partition table on a pv
• 232[01:30:32] <brutser> this should be the reason 99%
• 233[01:30:51] <brutser> thanks tomreyn and trek00 for finding this, if you still ehre in 30 minutes, i will confirm it
• 234[01:30:52] <brutser> :)
• 235[01:31:17] * brutser is busy fixxxxing things...
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• 237[01:32:03] <tomreyn> pvcreate --zero (but it should normally happen automatically, see man page)
• 238[01:32:24] <kryo_> does anyone know of a list of debian-specific kernel options like this one? replaced-url
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• 245[01:36:42] <trek00> brutser: are you reinstalling?
• 246[01:36:53] <brutser> trek00: yes restarted
• 247[01:37:04] <trek00> brutser: wait a bit
• 248[01:37:21] <trek00> brutser: if you create the root partition with then installer and then tweak only the grub config?
• 249[01:37:41] <tomreyn> kryo_: there are some which are initrd specific, i think. i also think those are documented on the debian wiki
• 250[01:38:11] <trek00> brutser: it should be simpler (you just need to add cryptomount -p (ahci0,msdos2) and set root='lvm/vg1-rootvol')
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• 252[01:38:51] <trek00> brutser: i mean create the encrypted partitions and volumes directly from the installer
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• 254[01:39:11] <tomreyn> kryo_: see kernel-command-line(7)
• 255[01:40:03] <tomreyn> maybe also bootparam(7)
• 256[01:40:04] <brutser> trek00: yes i understand that part, but as you said, initramfs also must decrypt the rootfs
• 257[01:40:22] <brutser> so just having grub decrypt it and set the root, that'll not be enough
• 258[01:40:37] <trek00> brutser: it could be only the kernel
• 259[01:41:00] <brutser> trek00: what do you mean?
• 260[01:41:02] <trek00> brutser: well yeah, to don't ask two times the password sorry
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• 262[01:41:31] <brutser> yes this setup works for full encryption of root and boot files
• 263[01:41:32] <kryo_> ty ill look into it
• 264[01:41:44] <jerojasro> I use debian bullseye, and I want to install emacs; but I see that it has rather ... massive dependencies: replaced-url
• 265[01:41:47] <brutser> there was just some strange thing with the msdos partitioning of luksroot
• 266[01:41:56] <jerojasro> any hints on how to trim those down?
• 267[01:42:19] <sney> jerojasro: emacs is arguably an OS in its own right. it's normal for it to seem big on disk
• 268[01:42:23] <trek00> brutser: you should take a note about uuids of partitions, lvm and filesystemd
• 269[01:42:45] <jerojasro> sney: it depends on mariadb/mysql stuff; I find that fishy, to say the least
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• 271[01:43:15] <jerojasro> and some tokyo cabinet thingy as well...
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• 273[01:43:19] <tomreyn> brutser: it's indeed interesting that the initrd got loaded fine rpreviously, since the initrd must be stored within the lvm from what i understand reading replaced-url
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• 275[01:43:41] <joepublic> My day-to-day text editor does not depend on any version/fork of mysql, but then, it isn't emacs at the moment
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• 277[01:43:50] <tomreyn> so grub succeeded in accessing it, but the initrd itself then fails to access the root file system due to not being able to identify the LBM PV
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• 279[01:44:00] <tomreyn> *LVM PV
• 280[01:44:09] <brutser> tomreyn: yea exactly
• 281[01:44:59] <tomreyn> brutser: if that's an option for you i'd also suggest you name the decrypted device sda2_crypt
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• 283[01:45:08] <jerojasro> joepublic: ahem. I just want to install it to install a vi-emulation layer to it, and install/use org mode there. Nothing else, for real ;)
• 284[01:45:21] <sney> jerojasro: -common packages sometimes get pulled in as recommends. if you disable recommends, you might shave those off and the 14 or so KB that they take up. but there's no mysql server or client there
• 285[01:45:22] <brutser> tomreyn: yes that's np
• 286[01:45:22] <trek00> jerojasro: may be you can try to install with --no-install-recommends
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• 288[01:45:33] <tomreyn> brutser: so that it will end up as /dev/mapper/sda2_crypt - just to make sure it's not some silly hardcoded pattern getting in xyour way
• 289[01:46:08] <Deihmos> i set a program to nice -n 19 but i don't notice any difference
• 290[01:46:14] <sney> jerojasro: you can always 'apt show packagename' to see what something is if you don't recognize it
• 291[01:46:29] <jerojasro> trek00: thanks! the dependencies requested are much more sane now
• 292[01:46:33] <Deihmos> i have been searching but can't figure out how to check to process priority on linux
• 293[01:46:42] <trek00> Deihmos: you should notice only when other processes are using the cpu (check with top)
• 294[01:46:52] <Deihmos> ahhh
• 295[01:47:03] <trek00> jerojasro: :)
• 296[01:47:08] <Deihmos> so it doesn't change level like it does on windows
• 297[01:47:30] <trek00> Deihmos: yes, but if no other processes are using the cpu, it will consume all what it needs
• 298[01:47:32] <jerojasro> and actually, they add up to Eighteen Megabytes (to download), And not Constantly Swapping!
• 299[01:47:35] <Deihmos> on windows if i set the priority to below normal the process uses a lot less cpu.
• 300[01:48:24] <trek00> Deihmos: if you set nice on linux, it will consume all the cpu if no other process are using that
• 301[01:49:52] <trek00> Deihmos: here a better explanation replaced-url
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• 304[01:53:09] <brutser> tomreyn: do i create pv on /dev/sda2 or on /dev/mapper/sda2_crypt ?
• 305[01:53:15] <Deihmos> it is interesting.
• 306[01:53:40] <tomreyn> brutser: the latter, sda2 contains the crypto container/header
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• 308[01:54:36] <tomreyn> brutser: if it worked out it should look roughly like this: replaced-url
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• 311[01:55:43] <brutser> tomreyn: yes looks exactly like that
• 312[01:57:32] <tomreyn> brutser: so that's different now
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• 314[01:58:50] <tomreyn> i.e. not "Device /dev/mapper/luksroot excluded by a filter". so this improved.
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• 329[02:10:52] <brutser> tomreyn: you still here?
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• 334[02:13:25] <tomreyn> brutser: yes
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• 336[02:13:51] <tomreyn> not a whole lot longer, though
• 337[02:14:24] <brutser> worked flawlessly, but the weird thing is: linux /vmlinuz cryptdevice=/dev/mapper/vg1-rootvol:root root=/dev/mapper/vg1-rootvol quiet <-- my earlier line in the grub.cfg just worked <-- then i decided to just leave out cryptdevice= param and that worked too
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• 340[02:14:56] <brutser> why would that be you think?
• 341[02:15:20] <brutser> trek00: also for you thumbs up man ;)
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• 343[02:16:30] <trek00> brutser: i really don't know
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• 345[02:17:02] <brutser> trek00: no that was more of a thank you for the help ;)
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• 347[02:17:13] <brutser> let's see if tomreyn knows
• 348[02:17:44] <trek00> :)
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• 350[02:19:21] <brutser> yea seems no cryptdevice param is needed and if you write one and it's wrong, initramfs just probably says: hey, i can find it, no worries
• 351[02:19:52] <tomreyn> brutser: i'm not actually familiar with the cryptdevice parameter. i don't currently have a debian install with this setup (/boot on lvm on fde), and the setup i know of on ubuntu doesn't use this option: replaced-url
• 352[02:20:16] <tomreyn> brutser: so i guess it's probably a debian dspecific initrd parameter
• 353[02:20:26] <brutser> tomreyn: ok
• 354[02:20:42] <tomreyn> maybe bootparam(7) lists it?
• 355[02:23:05] <tomreyn> oh you even have btrfs subvolumes in the mix there?
• 356[02:23:16] <tomreyn> i must have missed that before
• 357[02:23:41] <tomreyn> glad it works nonetheless :)
• 358[02:24:11] <brutser> no, i just have ext4
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• 361[02:24:30] <brutser> but yes it works, without cryptdevice
• 362[02:24:35] <tomreyn> oh okay, i got puzzles by the cryptdevice syntax
• 363[02:24:35] <brutser> so we're happy
• 364[02:24:44] <tomreyn> nice.
• 365[02:25:06] <brutser> yea i will still try to find out when the cryptdevice param is needed and what syntax etc
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• 367[02:25:14] <brutser> can be useful for future ieeus
• 368[02:25:16] <brutser> issues*
• 369[02:25:16] <trek00> cryptdevice should be inside initramfs? replaced-url
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• 371[02:25:53] <brutser> trek00: maybe my crypttab is doing that job?
• 372[02:25:57] <brutser> i think it might just be that
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• 374[02:26:17] <brutser> crypttab has the keyscript etc to decrypt and knows which device
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• 376[02:27:14] <tomreyn> that's what it's normally for, yes, to explain to the initrd where to find any crypto devices and how to decrypt them
• 377[02:28:03] <brutser> tomreyn: maybe you can also put this in the kernel line with cryptdevice
• 378[02:28:06] <brutser> that is my guess
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• 383[02:33:44] <cybrNaut> i don't suppose anyone knows how to disable a davmail account
• 384[02:33:50] <cybrNaut> in .fetchmailrc, i changed "poll" to "skip", and yet davmail still tries to login
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• 386[02:34:56] <tomreyn> brutser: does this list an "encrypt" hook in your initramfs, though (or is this rather specific to arch linux)? lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) | encrypt
• 387[02:35:13] <tomreyn> brutser: does this list an "encrypt" hook in your initramfs, though (or is this rather specific to arch linux)? lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) | grep -F encrypt
• 388[02:35:21] <tomreyn> ^ oops forgot the 'grep'
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• 392[02:37:55] <tomreyn> no mention of "cryptdevice" here replaced-url
• 393[02:38:32] <trek00> tomreyn: i was checking too :p
• 394[02:38:38] <tomreyn> :)
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• 396[02:39:35] <trek00> it uses the cryptopts command line
• 397[02:39:52] <trek00> root=/dev/mapper/crypt0 cryptopts=target=crypt0,source=/dev/sda1,cipher=aes-xts-plain64,size=256,hash=sha1
• 398[02:40:32] <trek00> or cryptroot /dev/sda2 none luks,discard,keyscript=/usr/local/sbin/cryptkey
• 399[02:40:44] <trek00> sorry this is a crypttab :p
• 400[02:41:47] <trek00> then cryptdevice should not used at all, initrd/cryptsetup read from crypttab or from cryptopts
• 401[02:42:01] <tomreyn> i concur.
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• 403[02:43:31] <tomreyn> btw. it may desirable to have /boot on a separate partition and crypto container, still, so that you can have the other crypto container be luks2 already. but that'd add even more complexity.
• 404[02:44:32] <tomreyn> and if you want it even more funny, be sure to add md raid and uefi booting, too.
• 405[02:44:46] <tomreyn> this said, good night. :)
• 406[02:45:03] * dvs blocks the door
• 407[02:45:29] * tomreyn falls asleep on the doorstep
• 408[02:45:35] <dvs> heh
• 409[02:45:50] <trek00> night :)
• 410[02:45:53] <dvs> o/
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• 426[03:09:39] <n-iCe> hi
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• 437[03:16:42] <fscked> Ran out of space on /boot and / while trying to upgrade to bullseye. Was able to expand / because it's within the VG, but /boot is a regular partition. I can reduce the size of the PV on the disk, but I can't seem to move it to the right, in order to grow /boot. Any ideas?
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• 442[03:18:12] <dvs> fscked, delete the older kernel? There should be at least two of them.
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• 445[03:20:49] <fscked> dvs: I don't know why the installer made it 200MiB. I missed that. That's tiny. I'm hoping to make it larger, because whenever I do something like compile & load a dkms module, it fills up really fast. I don't want to delete the old kernel yet, until I make sure the new one is ok.
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• 447[03:21:30] <fscked> dvs: is there no way to move a pv to the right? I'm not sure why neither KDE Partition Manager nor Gparted lets me do this. I can shrink the PV, just not move it to the right
• 448[03:22:20] <dvs> I don't use LVM so I don't know
• 449[03:22:30] <fscked> Ok. :) thanks
• 450[03:22:35] <somiaj> fscked: what do you have in /boot, 200megs should be plenty, my buster kernels are only about 40megs total, and grub is 12megs, with 200megs, you can hold multiple kernels.
• 451[03:23:26] <dvs> fscked, if you remove the oldest kernel, there should still be one left from the old version of Debian.
• 452[03:23:52] <somiaj> seems 200megs should be able to hold 4 kernels, and by default debian should only need room for 3, provided you autoremove old kernels
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• 457[03:25:43] <somiaj> fscked: please don't message people, if you want to share output, use paste.debian.net nad share the link.
• 458[03:25:55] <somiaj> I don't see why your /boot is full from what you shared
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• 463[03:29:03] <skylite> if I want a perfectly bootable grub setup, do I need anything else than dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc && update-grub?
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• 465[03:29:28] <dvs> grub-install /dev/sdX too
• 466[03:29:30] <somiaj> skylite: Unsure if reconfiguring grub-pc will install-grub on the right partition.
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• 468[03:30:22] <skylite> well it's the system I'm currently on. Although it's a raid mirror and I'm installing on both of the raid disks
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• 470[03:30:39] <skylite> so it's sda and sdb
• 471[03:31:27] <skylite> as far as I know I'm not supposed to install it on md0
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• 474[03:35:51] <ryouma> there is a risk with grub where dpkg-reconfigure remembers where you last stored it. then you do an upgrade or dist-upgrade and it will store there. so you can't move your config without also changing debconf database or running dpkg-reconfigure. something like that.
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• 477[03:39:40] <skylite> ryouma: If I do dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc it asks me where I want to install grub, and I select both my raid member disks. Are you saying it will somehow fallback to the old disk?
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• 479[03:41:11] <ryouma> it will remember your answer
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• 481[03:41:46] <skylite> yes that's true
• 482[03:42:01] <skylite> but as long as its installed on both disks it should be fine right?
• 483[03:42:17] <ryouma> it's more a question of future upgrades. if you change nothing you jigth be ok.
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• 486[03:42:33] <skylite> I don't want to end up in grub rescue> again :D there's no going back from that
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• 489[03:42:59] <ryouma> right. grub and initramfs cause fear. i wish they did not do that.
• 490[03:43:43] <ryouma> that is to say they are not straightforwaerd to fix
• 491[03:43:48] <skylite> I don't even know why grub rescue exists I never managed to recover from it nor did I find any good docs that explains clearly what's going on
• 492[03:43:53] <dvs> rescue from installation iso?
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• 494[03:44:53] <sney> I've managed to get a working system from the grub console before. at any rate it's far better than the LILILILILILILILILILILILILILILI
• 495[03:45:34] <sney> it's kind of reminiscent of the openfirmware interfaces they had on non-x86 hardware in the 90s
• 496[03:47:09] <skylite> I admit those where some interesting times but in 2020 I would expect these things to 'just work'
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• 498[03:48:55] <sney> I agree with you in principle but I guess grub upstream is probably prioritizing the user friendliness of their rescue prompt below making it as hard as possible to get there
• 499[03:49:40] <sney> anyway, if the weirdest thing about your system is that it's a md mirror, you're probably worrying too much
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• 505[03:54:48] <skylite> I migrated from a single disk to a md mirror and I also added my old single hdd to the raid so If I reboot I might get stuck :(
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• 508[03:55:03] <skylite> but fstab is updated and grub seems to be installed
• 509[03:55:26] <skylite> or I just never reboot :D
• 510[03:55:59] <sney> md mirrors are the simplest thing ever. it's really just the same disk twice. grub knows exactly how to handle them. you'll be fine.
• 511[03:56:43] <skylite> but btw grub is not installed inside the raid itself right? so grub is not mirrored
• 512[03:57:43] <sney> as long as it's in the boot sector of one or both disks, it's good
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• 514[03:57:55] <ryouma> the raid is of partitions i think. so it is not of boot sectors. i think
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• 516[03:58:04] <ryouma> so you can install in one orboth
• 517[03:58:19] <sney> md lets you use disks or partitions as members
• 518[03:58:22] <ryouma> as it will instruct you to do (i think ti sayd don't use partitions, just use entire disks)
• 519[03:58:30] <ryouma> ah
• 520[03:58:33] <ryouma> do you?
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• 522[03:58:54] <sney> I haven't used md regularly since zfs came to linux, but even I remember that we are way overthinking this right now
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• 524[03:59:01] <ryouma> then idk if it mirrors boot sectors
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• 528[04:04:26] <annadane> how important is swap these days? should i have anything? the installer for my ~990GB hard drive puts in 8.5GB of swap
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• 531[04:04:58] <themill> depends on what you intend to do and how much RAM you have
• 532[04:06:03] <ryouma> you can use swap files
• 533[04:06:42] <ryouma> you just ened disk space to store them. i put them in /media, so i need / to be big enough.
• 534[04:06:53] <ryouma> then i don't need to futz with partitions
• 535[04:07:39] <annadane> i guess replaced-url
• 536[04:07:43] <ryouma> (cue long debate, which i defer to arch wiki on, which says swap files are ok)
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• 538[04:09:01] <annadane> free -h shows 7.7 GB ram and 7.9 swap
• 539[04:09:22] <ryouma> i think there is something wrong on that debian wiki
• 540[04:09:27] <ryouma> "Once you have created your swap partition or file you will need to add an entry in the /etc/fstab file of every instance of Linux that will be using that swap space. "
• 541[04:09:27] <annadane> i don't generally use suspend
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• 544[04:10:13] <annadane> i do occasionally use virt-manager and assign a fairly healthy amount of ram so i can see needing swap there
• 545[04:10:25] <ryouma> i don't have swap in my fstab and it works great. i just hafe to run swapon. i guess fstab is just to run swapon automatically.
• 546[04:11:02] <annadane> does no swap in fstab = no swap at all?
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• 548[04:12:31] <ryouma> you do swapon
• 549[04:12:41] <ryouma> from command line
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• 551[04:12:53] <ryouma> i think yes
• 552[04:14:30] <annadane> so if you set no swap, and have no swap set in fstab, you can still add swap post facto to an existing system?
• 553[04:14:42] <somiaj> annadane: I don't use swap on my desktop, but on my computer that I use vms and have a small webserver, I put swap there, even if I dont' end up using it.
• 554[04:14:50] <somiaj> annadane: hibernate is also a reason you may want swap
• 555[04:14:54] <ryouma> annadane: yes
• 556[04:15:04] <ryouma> unless you hibernate or something like that
• 557[04:15:12] <ryouma> inw hich case there might be weird solutions een there
• 558[04:15:16] <annadane> yeah i don't use either suspend or hibernate much at all
• 559[04:15:31] <somiaj> you can even use a pagefile style swap if you want (like windows), put swap as a file on your hd vs its own partition -- hint, own partiion is better
• 560[04:16:04] <ryouma> arch wiki basically says file and partition are equivalent
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• 562[04:16:09] <annadane> with lvm so it grows dynamically? or no, that wouldn't make sense
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• 564[04:16:37] <somiaj> ryouma: hmm, I thought you got slightly better preformance from a partition and hibernate would work better when recovreing, but I could be mistaking
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• 566[04:16:54] <ryouma> there has been a LONG debate about that; i just decided to trust arch wiki on it; it could be mistaken. but the swap file passes through directly to disk and the mapping is set directly when you set it up or smoethign like that.
• 567[04:17:06] <annadane> this isn't a laptop so i don't lose a lot by having everything on all the time
• 568[04:17:08] <ryouma> i am speaking of non-hibernate case
• 569[04:17:27] <somiaj> annadane: you could use a pagefile style, then if you need to make it bigger, just make a bigger pagefile vs messing with aprtitions
• 570[04:17:31] <ryouma> annadane: you can add swap files any time and use a bunch fo them
• 571[04:17:47] <ryouma> you can set priorities of them too
• 572[04:17:55] <ryouma> mkswap
• 573[04:18:00] <annadane> does a system simply crash if it tries to access more ram than it needs and there isn't swap to go to?
• 574[04:18:09] <ryouma> to set it up you do dd and then mkswap and then to activate you do swapon
• 575[04:18:21] <ryouma> it invokes the oom killer
• 576[04:18:27] <ryouma> which is horrible
• 577[04:18:38] <annadane> btw why is a swap file better on its own partition?
• 578[04:18:45] <phogg> ...
• 579[04:18:57] <phogg> er, wrong buffer. Sorry.
• 580[04:19:04] <ryouma> one guy even wrote a shell script to kill random processes if memory was used up. his theory was that randomnes was better thah whatever ioom killer did.
• 581[04:19:17] <dvs> ha!
• 582[04:19:30] <ryouma> annadane: it isn't, according to one side of the debate and arch wiki
• 583[04:19:45] <ryouma> unless you are hibernating in which case idk
• 584[04:19:59] <sney> swap is better on a partition so grub can access a hibernation file there. if you're not hibernating it doesn't really matter, though if you're swapping a lot on spinning metal, try to have it on a different disk altogether so the head doesn't go crazy
• 585[04:20:44] <annadane> hibernate and not suspend also?
• 586[04:20:52] <sney> suspend just uses ram
• 587[04:22:19] <somiaj> hibernate in theory you couuld loose power and still recover, suspend you cannot
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• 651[05:49:23] <Deihmos> i am trying to find how to locate origin to add to unattended upgrades. Did it before but can't remember how
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• 655[05:54:09] <somiaj> Deihmos: it is located in apt policy, o=....
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• 663[06:05:42] <Deihmos> thanks
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• 678[06:33:56] <sharp15> does debian have a prefered method of ssh to initramfs for unlocking luks/lvm disks?
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• 703[07:22:43] <rwp> sharp15, Not the answer to your XY question but look at the 'mandos' package.
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• 745[08:27:38] <sharp15> rwp: not sure what you meant by XY question but mandos is a good tip. unfortunately not available in debian-10/buster.
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• 759[08:54:56] <sharp15> anyone know where to find the debian recommended method for auto-connecting to a wifi network? everything in the manual about /etc/network* is marked "legacy".
• 760[08:56:45] <x0n> when I try to install packages for another architecture with apt -o APT::Architecture=arm the dependency resolver is very unsatisfactory. can it be made to try to resolve as much as possible and leaving with only either/or decisions? lots of packages that are available aren't being selected. reason: " but it is not going to be installed". durr
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• 829[10:38:26] <usney> I forgot how to I add contrib and non-free via app instead of editing sources.list?
• 830[10:38:38] <usney> apt*
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• 835[10:41:23] <otis> usney: is it? replaced-url
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• 837[10:42:04] <otis> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.ist
• 838[10:42:18] <usney> yes I know that
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• 840[10:42:30] <usney> but I saw a really easy way to do it through apt
• 841[10:42:40] <usney> but I forgot the commands
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• 844[10:43:18] <otis> I don't know another way either
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• 846[10:43:54] <usney> it was something like apt add contrib non-free
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• 848[10:44:51] <otis> any way it is requires root privileges
• 849[10:45:24] <usney> yes I know
• 850[10:45:25] <usney> :)
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• 853[10:45:57] <elm_> Who is responsible for maintaining the debian-security mailing list?
• 854[10:46:27] <PaddyF> for sure a team. see their website
• 855[10:46:30] <elm_> I have tried to get through with some emails of mine since yesterday but all emails disappear without a trace
• 856[10:47:01] <elm_> I have visited the lists.debian.org/debian-security website but there is no additional contact address
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• 858[10:47:25] <elm_> a telephone number or a maintainers´s email would be good
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• 860[10:47:45] <PaddyF> i am sure they would be happy about more phonecalls
• 861[10:47:46] <elm_> PaddyF: where?
• 862[10:48:09] <PaddyF> "hello, my mail does not work can you stop doing what you do and help me"
• 863[10:48:38] <elm_> No, I have tried it with two different mailing addresses and a third one via Tails/Tor
• 864[10:48:46] <elm_> It is not an issue of the email address
• 865[10:48:55] <elm_> It in deed seems to be an issue with the list
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• 867[10:49:28] <elm_> The third one I have created only for the purpose of mailing debian-security
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• 869[10:49:42] <elm_> the subscription request appeared instantaneously
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• 871[10:49:53] <elm_> the confirmation took very long
• 872[10:49:57] <otis> usney: requires sudo apt-get install software-properties-common
• 873[10:50:03] <elm_> and the emails I post with this address get lost
• 874[10:50:33] <elm_> someone is monitoring this list and arbitrarily blocking emails
• 875[10:50:38] <otis> usney: replaced-url
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• 877[10:51:05] <elm_> the list is non moderated so it can not be blocked by the list maintainers - and there would be absolutely no reason to
• 878[10:51:26] <elm_> That is rather catastrophic since I was using this list a lot in the past
• 879[10:52:04] <elm_> This is censorship - any free people should fight it
• 880[10:52:05] <PaddyF> elm_: you could join their channel on OFTC
• 881[10:52:17] <elm_> where? what channel?
• 882[10:52:24] <PaddyF> not with the freedom stuff. with the actual problem
• 883[10:52:30] <elm_> yes
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• 885[10:52:39] <elm_> what is OFTC?
• 886[10:52:56] <PaddyF> it used to be meant as alternative to freenode
• 887[10:53:10] <elm_> servername?
• 888[10:53:17] <PaddyF> irc.oftc.net
• 889[10:53:30] <elm_> channel?
• 890[10:53:35] <PaddyF> there is a channel #debian-security and also one for the ML
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• 892[10:54:12] <elm_> what is the difference of the channel for the ML?
• 893[10:54:21] <PaddyF> specialization
• 894[10:54:21] <elm_> There is not a second ML?
• 895[10:54:37] <elm_> what is the name of the channel for the ML?
• 896[10:54:42] <PaddyF> no idea
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• 901[10:57:02] <ratrace> elm_: what do you mean by "disappear without a trace"? the debian-security ML is moderated, only authorized people may post. Do you have a security vulnerability to report?
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• 904[10:58:38] <ratrace> actually wait, I was thinking of debian-security-announce, debian-security isn't moderated
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• 906[10:59:24] <elm_> no it is just a very simple additional message to a preceding one
• 907[10:59:48] <elm_> I wanted to help a rootkitted user in how to get the timeline
• 908[11:00:14] <ratrace> elm_: did you subscribe to the list first?
• 909[11:03:19] <PaddyF> when i tried to get help regarding my man-in-the-middle situation, people been quite hostile
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• 911[11:03:34] <elm_> Yes, the subscription was successful
• 912[11:04:19] <PaddyF> i gave up on security
• 913[11:04:20] <elm_> PaddyF: man-in-the middle? - have you asked at debian-security?
• 914[11:04:33] <ratrace> PaddyF: where? when?
• 915[11:04:34] <elm_> really; I have not read any message of yours?!
• 916[11:04:45] <PaddyF> no, but irc, mailing lists, web forums, etc.
• 917[11:04:47] <elm_> replaced-url
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• 921[11:05:37] <PaddyF> not this month, but months before
• 922[11:06:03] <ratrace> PaddyF: security is hard. thus people prefer to think the grapes are sour, and mock anyone who does security well, because they can't :)
• 923[11:06:14] <PaddyF> people were like "you are schizophrenic?" - "go see a doctor, bwuahaha"
• 924[11:06:43] <elm_> that sounds like I would have to womit
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• 926[11:06:58] <elm_> PaddyF: what is your issue?
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• 928[11:07:18] <elm_> PaddyF:; Why is there no message in the archive web page of the list
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• 930[11:07:34] <elm_> I always look there to see whether a post was successful
• 931[11:07:34] <PaddyF> from me?
• 932[11:07:38] <elm_> yes
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• 934[11:08:01] <PaddyF> i use different identities for different tasks to avoid targeted hostility
• 935[11:08:45] <PaddyF> but no matter what IP and email address i use the people "know" who i am
• 936[11:08:56] <PaddyF> they also know which urls i am lookup up
• 937[11:09:15] <PaddyF> they know what crap i did on twitter without me linking it
• 938[11:09:17] <PaddyF> etc.
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• 940[11:11:13] <otis> people fear real privacy because it stimulate abuse
• 941[11:11:43] <elm_> I still do not know what messages you are talking about; can you name me the message and the sender name
• 942[11:12:32] <PaddyF> would be stupid to link to a different identity within a comm service that is part of the problem, right?
• 943[11:13:47] <elm_> no
• 944[11:13:59] <elm_> I would do that if I were blocked
• 945[11:14:02] <PaddyF> besides, there is a high risk that you "play" with me for 3-4 lines of text and then come up with another needle pinch into my heart
• 946[11:14:04] <ratrace> PaddyF: indeed
• 947[11:15:44] <PaddyF> sometimes i think these war kids actually want to battle my father but they are not strong enough. so they address me instead
• 948[11:15:59] <ratrace> the who now?
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• 956[11:22:21] <otis> PaddyF: use tor browser is a good thing also, man in the middle is veeery hard to happen
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• 958[11:25:39] <otis> PaddyF: it is not whoami is whois
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• 966[11:35:37] <PaddyF> a password that i added to firefox-sync 5 minutes ago gets magically transformed into a string with 16 ","
• 967[11:35:55] <PaddyF> and people find all kinds of reasons why i am to blame for this
• 968[11:36:01] <PaddyF> since years :)
• 969[11:37:12] <PaddyF> 4 years ago the mental pressure got so strong that i had to go to psychiatry. but my dad is happily doing homeoffice and banking stuff
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• 971[11:37:37] <PaddyF> every time i voice this security probe
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• 974[11:37:50] <PaddyF> every time i voice this security problem i get a punch in the face. considence?
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• 976[11:40:20] <otis> PaddyF: is matter of choosing safe security atitudes as natural
• 977[11:40:42] <PaddyF> no, the main problem is not controlled by me
• 978[11:41:19] <otis> PaddyF: for example: i memoryze all my passwords
• 979[11:41:49] <otis> don't save them when asked
• 980[11:41:50] <PaddyF> it was just an example to test whether you will try to blame me
• 981[11:41:59] <PaddyF> and you did
• 982[11:42:05] <otis> !
• 983[11:43:25] <PaddyF> and thats the common pattern of reactions - always trying to blame me
• 984[11:43:42] <ratrace> PaddyF: so, it's better to not show yourself at all. Walk the shadows, stay hidden, nobody will hurt you.
• 985[11:43:54] <PaddyF> more blame - see?
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• 987[11:44:45] <PaddyF> the last comment even qualifies for mental aggressions
• 988[11:45:18] <PaddyF> it seems like you try to stop me from looking further
• 989[11:45:21] <PaddyF> no idea why
• 990[11:45:25] <PaddyF> but i find out
• 991[11:45:35] <ratrace> apparently no matter what people say, you'll see that as an attack, so it's better to just remove yourself from such situations.
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• 993[11:46:07] <PaddyF> i know: "socialize in real life where all are psychic about some virus"
• 994[11:46:21] <PaddyF> :top
• 995[11:47:38] <ratrace> text only medium is lacking nonverbal communication. anyway, very much offtopic here.
• 996[11:48:56] <otis> yes, the policy of the channel is to stay ontopic as much as possible
• 997[11:49:21] <otis> Paddy issue is more to ##security
• 998[11:49:35] <PaddyF> so you gave the reason why "internet people" are manipulative and hostile --> i should leave cyberspace
• 999[11:50:04] <PaddyF> they only harm me to help me socialize with real people
• 1000[11:50:08] <PaddyF> i see!!
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• 1007[11:58:36] <otis> debian has may options of shell, can I set a default history to all of them?
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• 1026[12:18:17] <roo-> Hey, I'm trying to change the partition of the swap, I use swapoff and then fdisk- but it seems to require a reboot for the partition change to take effect. Is it possible to force the swap off and a partition change without a reboot?
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• 1030[12:21:54] <otis> roo-: without reboot you can add estra swap file replaced-url
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• 1050[12:49:07] <f8e4> where do you put root scripts? user i put to /usr/local/bin if ok ?
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• 1055[12:52:08] <digdilem> f8e4, /sbin if you want them in path. /root or wherever if not
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• 1059[12:54:52] <f8e4> i tested: /usr/local/sbin/myscript is NOT on the root path
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• 1068[13:07:30] <digdilem> i didn't say /usr/local/sbin/
• 1069[13:07:52] <digdilem> if you don't have a /sbin then you're not using a distro i'm familiar with
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• 1071[13:09:04] <digdilem> you could go /usr/local/sbin/ = and that should be in your path too. If you think that's not working, run "ENV", check the PATH line, and then if you're still confused, tell us what you're doing to test that
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• 1073[13:12:48] <jmcnaught> But /usr/local/sbin is a more appropriate place to put an admin's script than /sbin (which is for packages only).
• 1074[13:13:24] <ksk> ,file /usr/bin/dig
• 1075[13:13:28] <judd> Search for /usr/bin/dig in buster/amd64: dnsutils: usr/bin/dig
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• 1082[13:20:40] <f8e4> /usr/local/sbin is not on root PATH
• 1083[13:20:49] <jmcnaught> how are you becoming root?
• 1084[13:20:56] <f8e4> so i use .../bin and make it root chown so it does not show up for users
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• 1086[13:21:47] <joepublic> well, /usr/local/sbin is totally in root's path. use su -l or su -, not just su.
• 1087[13:22:00] <jmcnaught> it doesn't really matter if it goes in /usr/local/bin or /usr/local/sbin
• 1088[13:22:17] <jmcnaught> but yeah, use su properly
• 1089[13:22:21] <oxek> I have a laptop that boots from a /dev/mmcblk0 emmc drive. How do I do a discard operation on emmc to make it appear full of 0's? I know on normal hdd/ssd I can do the hdparm --secure-erase, but this does not work for emmc.
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• 1091[13:24:08] <Maizum> hi all
• 1092[13:25:00] <Maizum> vlc openshot and krita always starts on wrong scale i need to use QT_AUTO_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTOR=-0 to fix it
• 1093[13:25:03] <Maizum> any idea?
• 1094[13:26:01] <Maizum> clear
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• 1096[13:27:29] <Maizum> vlc openshot and krita always starts on wrong scale i need to use QT_AUTO_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTOR=-0 to fix it
• 1097[13:27:47] <Maizum> im the only one?
• 1098[13:28:00] <Maizum> debian 10 stable
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• 1101[13:29:37] <jmcnaught> Maizum: it usually takes more than a couple of minutes to get a response on IRC, no need to repeat so quickly though.
• 1102[13:30:07] <Maizum> sorry
• 1103[13:30:20] <oxek> perhaps an alternative question - how can I discard all the flash blocks on an emmc without formatting it to ext4?
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• 1111[13:39:03] <trek00> Maizum: may be you need to set this variable at startup, what desktop environment do you use?
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• 1116[13:39:57] <Rozha> hallo how to shut down X server
• 1117[13:40:26] <Maizum> xfce4
• 1118[13:40:29] <trek00> Rozha: usually CTRL+ALT+backspace does the trick
• 1119[13:40:41] <Rozha> but from console ?
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• 1122[13:42:46] <Rozha> trek00 ctrl alt backspase doesnot work
• 1123[13:46:03] <jmcnaught> Rozha: one way is to "change runlevels" from graphical.target to multi-user.target with "systemctl isolate multi-user.target", this will stop any running display manager. If you just want to kill a user's session you can do "loginctl kill-user USER"
• 1124[13:47:56] <jmcnaught> Maizum: try putting the environment variable somewhere listed in "man environment.d" (for example in a file in ~/.config/environment.d/ if just for one user).
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• 1126[13:49:23] <oxek> trek00: Ctrl Alt Backspace has not worked in years by default, has it?
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• 1129[13:50:46] <dob1> I want to confirm: I put /sbin/nologin as shell for an user /etc/passwd and the user can't login
• 1130[13:50:56] <dob1> but it's ok that it can login via xrdp ?
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• 1133[13:53:03] <Maizum> ok i will thanks
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• 1139[13:55:33] <sharp15> anyone know where to find the debian recommended method for auto-connecting to a wifi network? everything in the manual about /etc/network* is marked "legacy".
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• 1143[13:57:29] <oxek> sharp15: probably network-manager
• 1144[13:58:00] <trek00> Maizum: do you start xfce via ligthdm or similar?
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• 1147[13:59:02] <Maizum> i have some issue after install nvidia i neeed to go tty and com to tty7 to login actualy
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• 1149[14:00:52] <trek00> oxek: it works for me, may be the default is to disable the xkb option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
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• 1181[14:34:56] <sharp15> oxek: ok. but i couldn't find any documentation on that. i don't mean auto connect on login. i mean autoconnect on boot.
• 1182[14:36:36] <trek00> sharp15: you could setup /etc/network/interfaces file
• 1183[14:36:55] <trek00> sharp15: on that way it will connect to the same wifi network on boot
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• 1264[15:45:11] <rrttyy> hi, I deleted a large folder (>150GB) accidentally and am trying to recover it.
• 1265[15:45:26] <rrttyy> I used testdisk but could not find the folder in the lllist of deleted files.
• 1266[15:45:45] <rrttyy> How would I go about restoring it?
• 1267[15:46:44] <hisacro> with rm -rf /dir/path/?
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• 1270[15:47:56] <rrttyy> rm -r folder
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• 1272[15:48:48] <rrttyy> I'm wondering if it takes a while to get deleted and maybe that's why it isn't showing up
• 1273[15:48:53] <rrttyy> But it's been about an hour and half now
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• 1275[15:49:13] <rrttyy> Average file size in the folder was about 100MB
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• 1280[15:52:41] <frikinz> You should absolutely remount the disk in readonly otherwise unallocated space might get cleared
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• 1284[15:55:28] <petn-randall> rrttyy: Is it a HDD or a SDD?
• 1285[15:55:36] <rrttyy> HDD
• 1286[15:56:13] <petn-randall> rrttyy: You can use recovery tools, but all meta-data like file names and the path in the folder will be lost. I'd recover from backups.
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• 1289[15:57:02] <rrttyy> I don't have any.
• 1290[15:57:12] <petn-randall> rrttyy: Also, most tools just try to work in typical file signatures (.jpg, .zip, etc.), and any fragmentation of those files will result in incomplete recovery.
• 1291[15:58:05] <rrttyy> even testdisk?
• 1292[15:58:13] <petn-randall> rrttyy: That's bad. You can try using photorec to recover some files, but that's it.
• 1293[15:58:27] <rrttyy> right, yeah.
• 1294[15:58:32] <rrttyy> I'm going to try and use scalpel.
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• 1298[15:59:07] <petn-randall> rrttyy: Yes, the first bytes of a jpg file are unique for jpg files, that's what it scans for. You won't be able to recover any text or source files that way.
• 1299[15:59:11] <SanchoPensa> hey, guys!
• 1300[15:59:29] <rrttyy> Right, but I didn't lose any text files.
• 1301[15:59:41] <SanchoPensa> since there are some bugs in audacity 2.2.2, I tried to install the latest version from backports.
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• 1303[15:59:55] <petn-randall> rrttyy: Also, the longer the system runs, the more likely it is that the deleted data gets overwritten.
• 1304[16:00:04] <SanchoPensa> according to here: replaced-url
• 1305[16:00:14] <rrttyy> yeah, I know I should probably use an external to boot..
• 1306[16:00:42] <petn-randall> rrttyy: So you best bet is to unplug the affected machine, and recover from a live system. You'll need plenty of backup space for those delete files, though, as it will find anything on the space.
• 1307[16:00:48] <SanchoPensa> I used the command 'sudo aptitude -t buster-backports install audacity', but I keep getting version 2.3.3 still.
• 1308[16:00:57] <SanchoPensa> what am I missing?
• 1309[16:01:12] <rrttyy> thanks petn-randall
• 1310[16:01:31] <oxek> I just noticed that debian 10.4 is available, but all the links at replaced-url
• 1311[16:01:50] <SanchoPensa> err.. that should read, I keep getting version 2.2.2 instead of 2.3.3., srry.
• 1312[16:02:29] <petn-randall> oxek: It probably take a bit until the website maintainers can update all links. It's not really relevant though. You can install 10.3 and just update to 10.4.
• 1313[16:02:42] <petn-randall> 10.4 is just a point release of 10.
• 1314[16:03:19] <oxek> petn-randall: 10.4 has important updates to the netinst that helps me install it on a netbook where 10.3 fails
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• 1322[16:06:13] <petn-randall> oxek: Ah, ok. What change did fix it?
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• 1325[16:07:32] <oxek> petn-randall: don't know yet, but was told that a fix was incoming in new version of netinst that will allow it to see my /dev/mmcblk0 and install debian to it
• 1326[16:08:19] <petn-randall> oxek: Hmm, and you verified that 10.3 doesn't work?
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• 1328[16:11:00] <oxek> petn-randall: yes, 10.3 did not work, I asked here or on ##linux a while back, and was told fix incoming
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• 1330[16:11:32] <oxek> or it might have been 10.2
• 1331[16:11:41] <oxek> I have not played with this netbook in a while
• 1332[16:11:45] <petn-randall> oxek: Ah, good to hear. Given that the announcement for 10.4 is an hour ago, I'm guessing that it will be there in the next hours.
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• 1340[16:17:26] <brokencycle> Hi! Since very recently, a stretch machine of mine has severe problems booting. On the console,
• 1341[16:17:54] <brokencycle> I can see these messages, which may be related:
• 1342[16:18:22] <brokencycle> "Starting Rorward Password Requests to Wall", and later "Stopped Dispatch Password Requests To Console Directory Watch"
• 1343[16:18:44] <brokencycle> At this point, the machine does not react to the keyboard in any way, and the SSH server does
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• 1345[16:19:08] <brokencycle> not come up, either. A search on the Internet seems to indicate that this is related to logind, but
• 1346[16:19:15] <brokencycle> I'm a bit at a loss as to what to do about it.
• 1347[16:19:47] <petn-randall> brokencycle: What service is this? It doesn't sound like a Debian service.
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• 1353[16:24:19] <brokencycle> petn-randall: 'logind' is part of systemd.
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• 1356[16:25:20] <brokencycle> In any case, I have almost exclusively pure Debian stuff installed, with very few exceptions at the user level which should be completely unrelated.
• 1357[16:26:41] <brokencycle> If i put the error messages into Google, logind comes up as the culprit: #769728
• 1358[16:26:42] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1359[16:27:15] <brokencycle> Ok, but what can I do right now? Since the machine does not react to the keyboard, I can't even upgrade.
• 1360[16:27:24] <phogg> take off and nuke it from orbit
• 1361[16:27:33] <brokencycle> Ouch!
• 1362[16:27:41] <phogg> it's the only way to be sure!
• 1363[16:27:51] <brokencycle> :-/
• 1364[16:27:57] <brokencycle> Ok... let's see.
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• 1369[16:30:22] <trek00> i found that a mostly idle server was writing 60MB each day on his /var partition: the time matched the unattended-upgrades, but the package lists of that size was last updated on 8 Feb (stretch), finally i found that the files /var/cache/apt/*pkgcache.bin were rebuilt after each update, then i disabled them to fix this unwanted writings: replaced-url
• 1370[16:30:44] <phogg> brokencycle: just making jokes, in truth I have no idea
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• 1374[16:33:19] <SanchoPensa> brokencycle: you can attempt to start the machine from a stick, and then changeroot into the file-structure of the machine, and then attempt to apply the patch
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• 1376[16:33:29] <trek00> brokencycle: may be you can fix it mounting the root partition with a debian live ust stick
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• 1378[16:35:27] <SanchoPensa> brokencycle: dated 15-Nov-2014 05:25 btw, maybe a frew install wouldn't be the worst of your options?
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• 1380[16:39:42] <trek00> brokencycle: can you get more error messages?
• 1381[16:40:26] <InvisibleRasta> linux blogs and websites
• 1382[16:40:47] <trek00> brokencycle: or booting in safe bode?
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• 1389[16:46:52] <brokencycle> Which patch?
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• 1392[16:51:06] <trek00> brokencycle: that bugreport is for a version older than the one in stretch, may be the issues is another one and more error messages could be useful
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• 1394[16:52:17] <brokencycle> Oh. But I didn't see other error messages.
• 1395[16:52:29] <brokencycle> Let me check.
• 1396[16:52:36] <brokencycle> (again)
• 1397[16:52:42] <trek00> brokencycle: i mean before the Stopping dispatching password
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• 1399[16:52:52] <brokencycle> Currently playing with a stick, so...
• 1400[16:55:41] <trek00> brokencycle: is the safe mode running fine?
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• 1402[16:56:02] <petn-randall> brokencycle: What is logging "Starting Rorward Password Requests to Wall"?
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• 1404[16:56:45] <brokencycle> I don't know. Still trying...
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• 1407[16:58:10] <trek00> this log for example show the same error message, but the root cause was a filesystem not mounting replaced-url
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• 1410[17:00:08] <petn-randall> Ah, "Forward"!
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• 1412[17:02:25] <trek00> there is another similar log when using debug kernel command line, this is a common message when something fails during the boot: replaced-url
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• 1416[17:07:33] <kittonian> hi all. i have a rather old server that I cannot upgrade, but am trying to install the latest postgresql that my db adapter supports, which is 9.1.x (been running 8.1.19 for many many years now but need some additional functionality)
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• 1418[17:08:08] <kittonian> the problem is that openssl 1.1.1 has broken the postgresql configure and they resolved that in version 9.4+ but not in 9.1
• 1419[17:08:25] <kittonian> and I have been reading everything I can find but cannot figure out how to get this installed
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• 1421[17:10:30] <nkuttler> kittonian: if you can upgrade the db but not the server... just put it on another server?
• 1422[17:10:47] <kittonian> has to go on this server
• 1423[17:11:30] <nkuttler> are you sure it wouldn't be easier to upgrade the server and isolate whatever legacy service you're running?
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• 1426[17:13:25] <kittonian> quite sure thanks
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• 1432[17:16:50] <MarioMey> Hi, there. I have Buster, it has OpenAL 1.19.1. I just compiled 1.20 from github. How to make this version default in my system?
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• 1442[17:24:12] <trek00> MarioMey: where you installed it? which path?
• 1443[17:26:00] <MarioMey> trek00: ~/src/openal-soft/build
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• 1445[17:26:42] <trek00> MarioMey: you should set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH
• 1446[17:27:13] <trek00> where the libopenal.so.1* files reside?
• 1447[17:27:44] <MarioMey> /usr/local/lib
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• 1452[17:29:18] <MarioMey> trek00:
• 1453[17:31:33] <trek00> MarioMey: you should rung ldconfig as root after installing
• 1454[17:32:20] <MarioMey> just sudo ldconfig?
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• 1456[17:32:30] <trek00> MarioMey: yes
• 1457[17:32:44] <MarioMey> in that path?
• 1458[17:33:00] <trek00> MarioMey: just: sudo ldconfig -v
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• 1465[17:37:55] <MarioMey> trek00: is there any way to check it?
• 1466[17:38:17] <MarioMey> Let me explain what I am doing.
• 1467[17:38:30] <metbsd> 10.4 is out?
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• 1470[17:39:22] <petn-randall> metbsd: Yes, it's been announced.
• 1471[17:39:39] <metbsd> so i just apt upgrade right?
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• 1473[17:39:44] <metbsd> or distupgrade
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• 1475[17:39:49] <petn-randall> yes
• 1476[17:40:02] <petn-randall> Basically the same steps you usually take to keep your system current.
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• 1479[17:40:18] <metbsd> ok hopefully it reboots
• 1480[17:40:33] <Lope> I read something recently about needing to configure something so that when I shut down the host, the running guest VM's will be gracefully shut down instead of shot in the head. Is this true? I'm using a standard virt-manager libvirt qemu-kvm setup.
• 1481[17:40:44] <MarioMey> trek00: I built OpenAl 1.20 because it has an option that I need ("Allow Moving Streams"). But I can configure it with alsoft-config... that it is inside build path. I would like to check that Zoom, when launches, it uses the new OpenAL version 1.20.
• 1482[17:40:49] <metbsd> is 10.4 still called buster?
• 1483[17:40:55] <metbsd> do i do anything to change repo?
• 1484[17:41:02] <petn-randall> metbsd: yes, and no.
• 1485[17:41:05] <trek00> MarioMey: running openal-info it should print the version you are using
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• 1487[17:41:25] <annadane> we're on buster until debian 11, yes
• 1488[17:41:32] <petn-randall> Lope: libvirt guests get gracefully shutdown on Debian, so I don't know where you go this info from.
• 1489[17:41:44] <annadane> !tell metbsd about point release
• 1490[17:41:58] <Lope> petn-randall, just saw someone ask about it randomly somewhere on IRC, I can't remember what distro they were running.
• 1491[17:42:33] <petn-randall> Lope: The timeout is 5 minutes, so if the guests take longer to shut down they might get terminated.
• 1492[17:42:49] <petn-randall> On Debian at least, can't speak for other distros.
• 1493[17:43:06] <MarioMey> Ok, thanks trek00.
• 1494[17:43:27] <Lope> petn-randall, oh, because I shut down my host recently, forgot to shut down the VM's the shutdown completed in less than a minute. Does that mean the VM's would have been killed?
• 1495[17:43:31] <annadane> although i find point releases weird because i always do get a massive influx of packages even with having installed all the updates and having the right repos in sources.list
• 1496[17:43:46] <petn-randall> Lope: No.
• 1497[17:43:50] <trek00> MarioMey: if not, it can be forced manually on the command line
• 1498[17:43:52] <Lope> Oh, you're saying the VM's are given a shutdown signal. but only if they take longer than 5 mins, they'll be killed?
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• 1500[17:44:08] <petn-randall> Lope: I'm assuming they shutdown within a minute, and then then there's no point on waiting for the timeout.
• 1501[17:44:15] <petn-randall> Lope: yes
• 1502[17:45:11] <MarioMey> trek00: by creating a symlink, you say?
• 1503[17:45:17] <MarioMey> Something like...
• 1504[17:45:39] <Lope> petn-randall, okay, I've heard that the default on fedora is to sleep the VM's
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• 1506[17:45:58] <Lope> petn-randall, is there a config for this somewhere in /etc/libvirt/ ?
• 1507[17:46:07] <trek00> MarioMey: setting the LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable, but after ldconfig it should running fine
• 1508[17:46:22] <MarioMey> sudo ln -s /usr/local/lib/libopenal.so /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libopenal.so
• 1509[17:46:47] <trek00> MarioMey: ldconfig should already done those symlinks
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• 1511[17:47:32] <trek00> MarioMey: and if you installed on /usr/local/lib, then the command you pasted will revert to the old library
• 1512[17:47:38] <han-solo> if the library is not in default paths, then add the path in a new entry to /etc/ld.so.conf.d/
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• 1514[17:47:49] <petn-randall> Lope: /etc/default/libvirt-guests
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• 1516[17:48:40] <Lope> petn-randall, amazing, thank you. I have this: #ON_SHUTDOWN=shutdown
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• 1522[17:50:56] <Lope> Two thunbs up, thanks very much bud!
• 1523[17:51:25] <petn-randall> Lope: You're welcome!
• 1524[17:51:28] <metbsd> what does mountfs.service do?
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• 1527[17:52:31] <petn-randall> metbsd: Where do you see this service?
• 1528[17:53:12] <metbsd> systemctl
• 1529[17:53:16] <metbsd> it's mountnfs.service
• 1530[17:53:52] <petn-randall> Oh, mountnfs
• 1531[17:54:19] <metbsd> i have /etc/exports and they are mount.nfs
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• 1533[17:54:27] <metbsd> but mountnfs.service is inactive
• 1534[17:55:00] <petn-randall> I also don't have that service, but I guess it's for when you need to mount nfs during boot?
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• 1536[17:55:47] <metbsd> good work debian. it always reboots without a problem
• 1537[17:56:10] <metbsd> my old laptop doesn't even have a display
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• 1563[18:16:17] <Deihmos> i created a cron job to run at a specific time. Is there a way to force it to run? I tried "run-parts /etc/cron.daily" but didn't work
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• 1573[18:19:30] <woddf2> Ethernet is suddenly 10 Mbps after resuming from hibernation. How do I get it back to Gigabit?
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• 1576[18:20:32] <annadane> how safe is enabling sysctl kernel.unprivileged_userns_clone=1?
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• 1581[18:21:24] <woddf2> The light for it being amber instead of green on my Netgear router was the first symptom. Speedtest confirmed it.
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• 1583[18:21:33] <sney> woddf2: ip link down and then back up should force it to renegotiate
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• 1585[18:22:44] <sney> if it keeps happening you can disable autoneg and use ethtool to set it to always be gigabit
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• 1589[18:24:05] <woddf2> sney: Thanks; that fixed it when disconnecting and then reconnecting the Ethernet cable didn't: replaced-url
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• 1592[18:25:13] <sney> if I had to guess, suspend triggers some powersave thing in your nic that caused the router to think it was 10BaseT
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• 1596[18:27:04] <woddf2> (I also had to run dhclient...)
• 1597[18:27:53] <sney> yes, bringing the link down will also unset anything at higher layers
• 1598[18:27:54] <metbsd> what's a good lightweight http server on debian
• 1599[18:27:59] <sney> metbsd: nginx
• 1600[18:28:01] <metbsd> my hardware is really old
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• 1602[18:28:19] <metbsd> ok then
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• 1604[18:28:59] <sney> last time someone in here said their hardware was "really old" it was an i5 from 2011 and then I felt really old. But nginx runs well on tiny crappy embedded systems so you can run it on anything.
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• 1606[18:30:37] <metbsd> well, mine is alot worse
• 1607[18:30:38] <woddf2> Several years ago, I was on hardware I considered "really old" (1.15 GHz Athlon, 512 MB RAM, etc).
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• 1609[18:31:41] <metbsd> it's "Pentium Dual t2370
• 1610[18:31:49] <metbsd> @1.73hz"
• 1611[18:31:57] <metbsd> it's basically trash
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• 1613[18:32:13] <sney> Yeah, I remember those. It's still 686. you'll be fine.
• 1614[18:32:41] <metbsd> just want to recycle it
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• 1617[18:34:17] <sney> replaced-url
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• 1632[18:42:49] <annadane> how safe is enabling sysctl kernel.unprivileged_userns_clone=1?
• 1633[18:43:03] <galaxie> Hi, I just want to be doubly sure - I'm running Debian, with pcmanfm, and I'm trying to assess whether or not I've properly 'ejected' my portable HDD. pcmanfm only has a mount and unmount option, not an eject like with USB. I'm using a eSATA to USB cable that came with the drive. If I'm unmounted, am I good to unplug?
• 1634[18:43:26] <sney> galaxie: yes. if you want to be triple sure, run 'sync' in a terminal
• 1635[18:43:56] <galaxie> sney: No sudo required? OK. That was quick.
• 1636[18:44:15] <sney> syncing cached writes is not a privileged operation
• 1637[18:44:23] <galaxie> Didn't think so. Thanks!
• 1638[18:44:27] <sney> np
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• 1640[18:46:10] <annadane> AFAIK you can do sync as either root or non-root
• 1641[18:46:15] <annadane> doesn't matter
• 1642[18:46:18] <sney> yes.
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• 1654[18:57:45] <dob1> on netstat tcp6 means ipv6 address in listening?
• 1655[18:58:06] <trek00> dob1: yes
• 1656[18:58:33] <SwedeMike> dob1: typically means v4 and v6 together
• 1657[18:58:51] <dob1> ok so tcp6 0 0 [::]:someport [::]:* how can I connect to it via a ipv4 ip, a private network for instance
• 1658[18:59:03] <dob1> ah
• 1659[18:59:29] <ratrace> though some daemons might be configured for IPv6 only
• 1660[18:59:33] <dob1> BUT does it means localost too?
• 1661[18:59:44] <dob1> *localhost
• 1662[18:59:56] <ratrace> dob1: [::] means _all_ IPs, including [::1] localhost
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• 1664[19:00:13] <ratrace> all available at the moment of binding, that is.
• 1665[19:00:49] <annadane> and never mind, answered my own question. replaced-url
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• 1669[19:01:25] <dob1> so it's some setting in the program
• 1670[19:01:31] <dob1> because I can't connect to it via localhost
• 1671[19:01:38] <InvisibleRasta> big updateda today i see
• 1672[19:01:44] <InvisibleRasta> whats going on?!
• 1673[19:01:54] <ratrace> annadane: was about to warn you about USERNS but I see the "accepted" response there already does that. :)
• 1674[19:01:58] <ratrace> InvisibleRasta: 10.4 is out
• 1675[19:03:02] <annadane> a program i'm using seems to require it, but i'm asking them before disabling it
• 1676[19:03:02] <InvisibleRasta> ooo nice
• 1677[19:03:07] <InvisibleRasta> lets pop a bottle
• 1678[19:03:19] <annadane> i made a pot of tea does that count?
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• 1682[19:05:25] <ratrace> dob1: not even via ipv4?
• 1683[19:05:37] <ratrace> *ipv6
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• 1688[19:06:49] <annadane> ratrace, is the consensus that i shouldn't fiddle with the setting then?
• 1689[19:06:53] <dob1> ratrace, via local ip in my network I can, but not via localhost
• 1690[19:06:58] <dob1> very weird
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• 1694[19:07:58] <ratrace> annadane: problem with USERNS is that it's just a mapping and not all parts of the kernel might be aware of that mapping, thinking namespaced uid=0 is the actual privileged user
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• 1697[19:08:17] <ratrace> there's one or two CVEs per year on that subject
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• 1702[19:10:14] <annadane> i don't want to be less secure but strace for a flatpak says i should set it to 1
• 1703[19:10:24] <annadane> i've asked them and i'll see what response i get back
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• 1706[19:11:03] <g0zzy> Got a micro SD card here that's probably got chewed up. parted/gparted and fdisk won't read it. I want to use it in a phone. Should i nuke the partition table (lsblk seems to see it) by zeroing it through /dev/disk or what?
• 1707[19:11:11] <ratrace> annadane: yeah using containers like flatpak and snap requries all sorts of USERNS related options. or else you run containers privileged which then removes any semblance of a security barrier that might be there
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• 1710[19:11:30] <ratrace> (not even sure you can run privileged containers with flatsnaps)
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• 1713[19:12:10] <ratrace> g0zzy: if it's chewed up, why do you want to use it, I don't get it. yeah sure zero it, if you even can, but... it'll just die again.
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• 1717[19:13:58] <g0zzy> When i say chewed up i mean the phone might have 'half-formatted' it or something
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• 1737[19:22:30] <mihi> g0zzy, in case you suspect it is some inconsistent metadata, I would first verify the claim by "dd"-ing the whole disk to /dev/null. And make sure to check dmesg for any errors or warnings.
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• 1740[19:23:06] <mihi> if that fails, throw the card away. If that works, you can selectively zero data (partition table, partition start) until you can use the card again
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• 1745[19:24:00] <g0zzy> I think i could be ok. I'll check whether i can write to it properly
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• 1759[19:29:36] <g0zzy> mihi: so you think if it fails with an IO error on trying to create a new partition table i should probably chuck it away?
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• 1763[19:34:24] <metbsd> is there a way to make debian execute certain commands after boot?
• 1764[19:34:32] <metbsd> as different users
• 1765[19:35:13] <sney> that's a good definition of what systemd does
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• 1768[19:35:30] <trek00> g0zzy: cleaning the partition table sometimes helps, especially with windows
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• 1773[19:37:27] <g0zzy> Doing it with fdisk now. It's struggling
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• 1775[19:37:48] <g0zzy> "Error: Input/output error during write on /dev/mmcblk0"
• 1776[19:38:04] <ratrace> I think it was chewed up alright :)
• 1777[19:38:20] <ratrace> memory cells turned to slag.
• 1778[19:38:59] * g0zzy hopes there's nothing facepalming going on like a write-only tab ;) Don't think they are a thing on micro SDs or their holders though, are they?
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• 1785[19:44:15] <g0zzy> Ha of course i meant read-only tab
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• 1795[19:51:37] <g0zzy> Ha, there IS a read-only tab on the holder - but it was OFF. Badblocks gives this micro SD card a very definite thumbs-down
• 1796[19:53:23] <petn-randall> g0zzy: It's very widespread that no-name SD cards have more disk space declared than they have cells built-in.
• 1797[19:53:58] <petn-randall> g0zzy: Say it claims to have 128GB, but only 4GB are built in. Everything > 4 GB goes essentially to /dev/null.
• 1798[19:54:35] <g0zzy> This is meant to be a really good Sandisk though
• 1799[19:55:09] <sney> flash drives also have a limited lifespan
• 1800[19:55:13] * g0zzy wonders if it could be the port. Trying another machine
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• 1808[20:04:24] <g0zzy> Nah. Same on the other machine. The card is actually a Samsung Evo+ 32Gb
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• 1816[20:12:51] <MarioMey> trek00: I did everything... also the symlinks. But Zoom still runs with a DONT_MOVE flag and it doesn't allow me to change its "source input" (*)! (source input = audio input).
• 1817[20:14:21] <trek00> MarioMey: what openal-info says about the version?
• 1818[20:14:33] <MarioMey> 1.20.1
• 1819[20:15:02] <MarioMey> trek00: replaced-url
• 1820[20:15:41] <trek00> well it should be ok
• 1821[20:15:59] <MarioMey> Yes... but it overrides OpenAL rules.
• 1822[20:16:58] <trek00> MarioMey: sorry i don't know anything about zoom
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• 1851[20:58:02] <trek00> MarioMey: i guess you are running zoom from the command line?
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• 1863[21:06:16] <trek00> MarioMey: i just downloaded the debian package from the zoom site, but i can't find any reference to openal, are you sure it's the right library to upgrade?
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• 1869[21:13:30] <tobiasBora> Hello,
• 1870[21:13:44] <meltingwax> what is the best software to edit pdf's?
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• 1874[21:15:22] <annadane> edit pdf's how? i've used xournal to fill out pdf forms
• 1875[21:15:31] <annadane> works quite well
• 1876[21:15:56] <meltingwax> thanks annadane
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• 1878[21:16:32] <MarioMey> trek00: When you launch Zoom and test microphone, it creates a Source Input in PulseAudio. You can check with "pacmd list" (export to a file, so you can see inside). Look for "flags : DONT_MOVE".
• 1879[21:16:34] <tobiasBora> I just realized that amarok has been uninstalled on my system (I guess after an upgrade), and I can't install it anymore as it seems it's not in the repos anymore! I tried to look in debian.tracker.org, but can't understand the reason why it was removed replaced-url
• 1880[21:17:01] <tobiasBora> is it just because amarok does not provide a Qt5 interface that it's removed?
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• 1882[21:17:22] <tobiasBora> does that mean that we will never see this great software back?
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• 1884[21:18:48] <tobiasBora> also, I don't understand, if you go here amarok depends on Qt 5.8 replaced-url
• 1885[21:19:08] <trek00> MarioMey: openal and pulseaudio are different software
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• 1887[21:20:07] <MarioMey> Yes, I know.
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• 1889[21:20:33] <MarioMey> But there's software that uses OpenAL... I thought Zoom does it and connect with Pulse.
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• 1891[21:20:36] <MarioMey> Am I very wrong?
• 1892[21:21:10] <trek00> MarioMey: openal can use pulse
• 1893[21:21:56] <tadorne> meltingwax : try Xournal our Xournal++ (fork, akaxournalpp)
• 1894[21:21:59] <trek00> MarioMey: i found an unrelated issue, but may be creating this file could help? replaced-url
• 1895[21:22:21] <MarioMey> I was reading it, too... :)
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• 1897[21:23:58] <MarioMey> trek00: I configured that in /etc/openal/alsoft.conf, ~/.alsoftrc and ~/.conf/pulse/alsoftrc (3 different files)... and nothing.
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• 1900[21:28:28] <trek00> MarioMey: may be it's something related to pulseaudio
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• 1905[21:31:26] <meltingwax> thanks tadorne
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• 1910[21:33:46] <tadorne> meltingwax: you're Welcome :-). Xournal is quite fast to annotate. If you need some more advanced edit options, libreOffice Draw and Scribus can be your friends too !
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• 1912[21:34:16] <meltingwax> tadorne: it seemed to have some issues filling out the form itself; it wanted to draw on top of the PDF
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• 1915[21:35:32] <tadorne> meltingwax: Xournal is ok with this kind of task, with LibreOffice Draw, you can also modify existing text (losing some formating styles though)
• 1916[21:35:49] <meltingwax> thanks tadorne
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• 1925[21:41:11] <MarioMey> trek00: I wrote a mail to pulseaudio maillist.
• 1926[21:41:41] <MarioMey> If I know something else, I'll tell you. For the moment, bye and thanks :D.
• 1927[21:42:10] <trek00> :)
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• 2032[23:02:41] <Night_Elf> Which is the package that provides the ecm-compress and ecm-uncompress command? I remember it being 'ecm' but I am not able to find it anymore.
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• 2039[23:06:25] <somiaj> Night_Elf: you can install apt-file to look, or look for this on packages.debian.org
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• 2041[23:06:56] <phogg> Night_Elf: apt-cache search ecm suggests the ecm package. apt-file search confirms it.
• 2042[23:07:29] <somiaj> ,v ecm
• 2043[23:07:30] <judd> Package: ecm on amd64 -- jessie: 1.03-1; stretch: 1.03-1+b1
• 2044[23:07:43] <somiaj> phogg: you must be on an older release
• 2045[23:08:06] <phogg> AH right. I have a lot of sources on this box.
• 2046[23:08:13] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 2047[23:08:14] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2048[23:08:28] <Night_Elf> I tried that. I currently do not have an 'ecm' package. I tried the debian website package search and there seems to be no 'ecm' package there
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• 2051[23:09:00] <phogg> if it's no longer packaged you might have to build it yourself, or find an alternative
• 2052[23:09:36] <Night_Elf> Yes, am looking if there is anything else that can replace it, or find the sources and build it locally
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• 2058[23:11:52] <phogg> the trouble with Debian is that by the time Debian drops a package often times the upstream is long gone
• 2059[23:12:01] <phogg> you can always get the source package from the Debian archive though
• 2060[23:13:25] <somiaj> not alyways, sometimes there just aren't enough users that anyone wants to volunteer to maintain the package, I didn't see the report mention upstream was dead, but something to check
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• 2062[23:13:46] <a7s> Hello. Does anyone know which version of BIND9 is packaged for Debian 10?
• 2063[23:13:51] <tds> ,v bind9
• 2064[23:13:52] <judd> Package: bind9 on amd64 -- jessie: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u15; jessie-security: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u18; stretch: 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.3+deb9u5; stretch-security: 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.3+deb9u5; stretch-backports: 1:9.11.5.P4+dfsg-5~bpo9+1; buster: 1:9.11.5.P4+dfsg-5.1; bullseye: 1:9.16.2-3; sid: 1:9.16.2-3
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• 2067[23:19:11] <Night_Elf> I downloaded the sources for the ecm from: replaced-url
• 2068[23:19:30] <phogg> somiaj: normally you can find an upstream hint from /usr/share/doc/$package/ but I don't see one for this
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• 2070[23:19:50] <phogg> aha, I'm wrong. It's in the copyright file.
• 2071[23:20:12] <phogg> Night_Elf: upstream is replaced-url
• 2072[23:20:18] <a7s> is there any way with apt to install a more recent version of bind (9.16.2) ?
• 2073[23:20:36] <somiaj> yea, unless there is some way to follow if upstream moved, or was forked might not be that useful
• 2074[23:21:04] <phogg> somiaj: upstream site just says "(2014-04-20) Back soon?"
• 2075[23:21:10] <somiaj> a7s: not really, you could build your own backport from bullseye, and then be repsonabile for security issues.
• 2076[23:21:11] <phogg> so it seems more dead than moved
• 2077[23:21:31] <a7s> seems it would make more sense to just build from source then, yea?
• 2078[23:21:35] <somiaj> !tell a7s about ssb
• 2079[23:22:03] <somiaj> a7s: here it is a matter of choice, do you want to build the source into a .deb so you can manage it with dpkg, or build source and put it in /usr/local and manage it indpendent of dpkg
• 2080[23:22:39] <a7s> I'm trying to set up a Linode instance to run nothing but bind
• 2081[23:22:53] <phogg> if it's for production use I'd want the package, personally
• 2082[23:23:06] <a7s> me too, just to be sure i get updates and all
• 2083[23:23:20] <a7s> but until bullseye is released as stable, I don't want to depend on backports
• 2084[23:23:21] <somiaj> a7s: well just keep an eye on security issues with bind, and rebuild the package once one hits
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• 2086[23:23:37] <somiaj> then decide how important the features you need in the newer version actually are
• 2087[23:23:42] <a7s> anyone know when bullseye stable is expected?
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• 2089[23:24:05] <somiaj> The freeze is sometime this year I belive, but I woudln't expect it until after summer 2021
• 2090[23:24:16] <phogg> it's not an exact science
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• 2093[23:24:27] <a7s> gotcha, thank you guys
• 2094[23:24:30] <somiaj> a7s: replaced-url
• 2095[23:24:47] <somiaj> freeze dates usually are hit, but there can still be 6months after the final freeze to deal with all the rc-bugs
• 2096[23:24:55] <Night_Elf> phogg: Thanks. Actually I used the link from the debian source packages and it works very well.
• 2097[23:25:05] <somiaj> but looks like full freeze still han't been relese
• 2098[23:25:32] <somiaj> a7s: I would guess by the end of 2021 by those dates, but there is a bit of vaguness there
• 2099[23:25:35] <a7s> Next question, I have 3 linodes currently running stretch.. is there a clear path to upgrade to buster?
• 2100[23:25:48] <somiaj> !stretch->buster
• 2101[23:26:03] <somiaj> dpgk: stretch->buster
• 2102[23:26:08] <somiaj> dpkg: stretch->buster
• 2103[23:26:08] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
• 2104[23:26:11] <a7s> I've never upgraded a debian box like that
• 2105[23:26:26] <somiaj> though I'm unsure if linnode has any issues with the standard debian's upgrade in place ability
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• 2108[23:26:54] <a7s> would I be better off just replacing the servers?
• 2109[23:27:10] <a7s> i.e. install buster on 3 new servers, move what i need to, then offline the 9's?
• 2110[23:27:17] <somiaj> can you easy clone one and test it out?
• 2111[23:27:52] <a7s> Test what out, upgrading stretch>buster?
• 2112[23:28:14] <phogg> I wouldn't hesitate for Debian upgrade reasons, although I would do the first one by itself. I might build-and-swap for availability, though.
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• 2114[23:28:56] <somiaj> a7s: correct, you should always backup your data before an upgrade anyways, and if you had yoru data backedup, maybe try an upgrade to see if it works, and resintall if it doesn't
• 2115[23:29:02] <a7s> one's a mailserver that hasn't been in use for almost 2 years, another is just a little webserver for some wordpress sandboxing, and the third .. i think is just empty
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• 2123[23:42:56] <urxtnw> I got a laptop that had Windows 10 on it. I get debian, delete all hard drives, make new partitions, install grub in MBR as it asks me, and for whatever reason it won't boot. I changed the booting to Legacy only too.
• 2124[23:43:02] <urxtnw> any ideas?
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• 2128[23:45:36] <dvs> urxtnw, you have SecureBoot enabled?
• 2129[23:45:50] <somiaj> don't see how that would affect legacy only
• 2130[23:46:22] <urxtnw> I have a thinkpad t520 it's so strange as this never happened to me before. I reset all the bios defaults. I don't know where SecureBoot is but let me check
• 2131[23:46:55] <somiaj> urxtnw: by doens't boot, how far do you get, does the firmware/bios fail to find the disk or something else?
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• 2136[23:49:02] <urxtnw> somiaj, the disk is there, I installed on it and BIOS detects it
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• 2138[23:49:21] <urxtnw> somiaj, my ext4 / partition should not have a bootable flag, correct?
• 2139[23:49:25] <somiaj> but I mean do you see the grub screen, do you get some error from the bios, etc
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• 2141[23:49:39] <a7s> any idea how to fix? replaced-url
• 2142[23:49:40] <urxtnw> no, it just goes back to option selection
• 2143[23:49:44] <urxtnw> somiaj,
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• 2145[23:49:51] <somiaj> !fixmbr
• 2146[23:49:51] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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• 2148[23:49:55] <somiaj> urxtnw: ^^ maybe try that
• 2149[23:50:08] <somiaj> urxtnw: i.e. can you boot into your system using rescue mode form the installer?
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• 2151[23:50:26] <urxtnw> you mean with the USB?
• 2152[23:50:55] <urxtnw> somiaj, I actually dont know what UEFI is and if I have it,
• 2153[23:50:58] <somiaj> a7s: replaced-url
• 2154[23:51:24] <somiaj> urxtnw: you most likely have it, but if you are booting in legacy it won't matter. Could it be you installed the system in uefi mode, but are trying to boot it using legacy?
• 2155[23:51:29] <a7s> somiaj i have no google packages installed
• 2156[23:51:30] <tomreyn> a7s: you're lacking googles' apt signing key, must have skipped some setup instructions for their apt repository.
• 2157[23:51:48] <tomreyn> you have their apt repository configured, though
• 2158[23:51:50] <a7s> apt list --installed | grep google (nothing)
• 2159[23:51:52] <urxtnw> somiaj, how did I install it in UEFi, I didnt see that option when intalling
• 2160[23:51:55] <somiaj> a7s: well then remove the google-chrome reapos from your sources.list or sources.list.d
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• 2162[23:52:20] <somiaj> urxtnw: the debian installer can boot in both legacy and uefi, it depends on how your laptop originally booted the installer
• 2163[23:52:39] <urxtnw> I see
• 2164[23:52:55] <a7s> weird
• 2165[23:53:01] <somiaj> at the very beging of the install, the first menu you see on the installer has indication if in efi or legacy mode
• 2166[23:53:15] <a7s> i had a 'google-chrome.list' under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
• 2167[23:53:19] <urxtnw> somiaj what is this indication
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• 2169[23:53:33] <a7s> must have been trying something with chrome headless at some point
• 2170[23:53:34] <somiaj> a7s: google's .deb puts that file there, did you ever isntall google-chrome?
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• 2172[23:54:02] <somiaj> urxtnw: the text you see.
• 2173[23:54:03] <a7s> probably, and obviously didn't know to remove that file once i'd uninstalled it
• 2174[23:54:20] <a7s> ah man these blue screens always scare the hell out of me
• 2175[23:54:33] <tomreyn> blue screens?
• 2176[23:54:37] <a7s> "A new version (/tmp/grub.XJOfpcMgJ4) of configuration file /etc/default/grub is available, but the version installed currently has been locally modified. What do you want to do..."
• 2177[23:54:38] <somiaj> urxtnw: replaced-url
• 2178[23:54:49] <urxtnw> somiaj, oh yes, I tried booting in UEFI, and it says uefi, from the USB installer, and now I forced legacy, and it says bios mode, which is what I installed in the first place.
• 2179[23:54:52] <a7s> I have no idea why it's been locally modified, I've never touched grub.
• 2180[23:55:07] <somiaj> urxtnw: if you installed in uefi mode, botting legacy won't work
• 2181[23:55:08] <urxtnw> somiaj, and grub was installed in the MBR, so then why would it not boot?
• 2182[23:55:18] <urxtnw> I installed it in BIOS mode
• 2183[23:55:45] <somiaj> urxtnw: then try to follow that factoid I shared and fixed it. I don't see your machine, Id on't know what you did, I cannot say why it is not booting.
• 2184[23:56:00] <urxtnw> definitely, thank you so much
• 2185[23:56:12] <urxtnw> but then, why is that installing grub/efi
• 2186[23:56:19] <a7s> What do I do with this grub blue screen?
• 2187[23:56:31] <somiaj> but if you saw UEFI during the install, you didn not install it in BOIS mode, problem with modern laptops is they often boot both and the installer decides what to do based of how you boot it
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• 2189[23:56:45] <urxtnw> somiaj, I did not see UEFI during install
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• 2191[23:57:09] <somiaj> as I pointed out it is very subtle, but whatever, go try to fix your mbr, and firgure out what mode you used
• 2192[23:57:23] <tomreyn> a7s: you can inspect the differences, choose to keep your locally modified grub configuration (based on an older grub configuration template) or install the new configuration template, possibly loosing local modifications.
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• 2195[23:57:44] <urxtnw> somiaj, thank you this helps a lot. I dont get the factoid part "mount /boot/efi". isnt this installing EFI then?
• 2196[23:58:03] <a7s> This is my /etc/default/grub: replaced-url
• 2197[23:58:13] <a7s> Any idea what might be "locally modified" ?
• 2198[23:58:17] <somiaj> the factoid clearly states run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI
• 2199[23:58:30] <somiaj> if you aren't on EFI then don't do it
• 2200[23:58:52] <tomreyn> a7s: this, i would think (but i have not installed debian in a while): GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="console=ttyS0,19200n8 net.ifnames=0"
• 2201[23:59:01] <urxtnw> somiaj, makes sense, thank you. What about just reinstalling the whole system?
• 2202[23:59:22] <a7s> the last time I tried the diff options, i got so lost..
• 2203[23:59:28] <tomreyn> a7s: possibly the last three lines as well
• 2204[23:59:48] <tomreyn> or 4
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