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2 [00:01:24] <super_sonic> yes. are our chat is hidden
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4 [00:01:33] <super_sonic> i am sorry
5 [00:02:27] <super_sonic> my english not good
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7 [00:04:13] <jmcnaught> super_sonic: this is a public chat
room, it is not hidden or private at all. This channel is primarily
for technical support for Debian GNU/Linux. If you're looking
to chat, there's also #debian-offtopic
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9 [00:05:33] <super_sonic> okey thanks. good days
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72 [01:02:11] <Azrael_-> hi
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75 [01:03:20] <Azrael_-> i have installed additional packages
from sury.org. if i want to upgrade the distribution, what would be
the best approach to accomplish this without too many problems?
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124 [01:37:25] <ml|> Azrael_-: Make a list of what you have
installed from there; then uninstall all of them. Also make sure
their repo is disabled in your sources.list. Do the system upgrade,
following the release notes for the codename in question.
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130 [01:39:24] <ml|> Azrael_-: Install apt-forktracer, then do
'apt-forktracer | sort' to get a list of all unofficial
debian packages installed.
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133 [01:41:20] <ml|> Azrael_-: If you still need/want those
packages, reinstall them from the list.
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135 [01:42:07] <ml|> dpkg: release notes
136 [01:42:07] <dpkg> The release notes for Debian 9
"Stretch" are at
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137 [01:42:14] <ml|> Azrael_-: ^^^
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140 [01:45:47] <ml|> Azrael_-: If you are not on Jessie, see the
full list of release notes:
replaced-url
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143 [01:48:39] <Azrael_-> till jessie :) thanks for the extensive
list
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145 [01:48:52] <Azrael_-> *still
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149 [01:53:47] <Azrael_-> what if some of the additional external
packages also updated some central libraries? e.g. libssl can i
downgrade those packages to the "normal" version so i
don't have to uninstall all other depending packages?
150 [01:53:55] <laptop> hi
151 [01:54:10] <laptop> may I ask if anyone has installed
modsecurity for debian
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153 [01:54:40] <ml|> Azrael_-: Sorry was not clear. Make to
reinstall said packages of course AFTER the system upgrade.
154 [01:54:50] <Azrael_-> laptop: good luck with it. tell me when
you have accomplished it
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156 [01:56:22] <Azrael_-> ml|: yeah, i understand. first i have
to uninstall all packages from the 3rd party sources. but how to get
rid of standard-packages which are updated from there? i don't
want to completely uninstall them but only downgrade them to the
standard version
157 [01:57:19] <ml|> Azrael_-: After you remove or comment out
all non-debian sources and even backports sources in sources.list.
You can try to downgrade them using aptitude's ncurses
interface; but downgrading packages is not supported, Good Luck.
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159 [01:57:51] <Azrael_-> so i should just keep those
"upgraded" packages and try the dist-upgrade?
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165 [01:58:49] <laptop> with kernel 5 can you use the adamtium
encryption that google has put out or is it only available for
mobile
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169 [02:00:32] <ml|> No, try downgrading them first. If that does
not work you will have no choice but to uninstall them as well and
reinstall those as well; or upgrade from those sources after the
system upgrade.
170 [02:00:39] <ml|> Azrael_-: ^
171 [02:00:58] <Azrael_-> ok, thanks
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173 [02:01:23] <Azrael_-> will get quite interesting as soon as i
find enough time to dig through this :)
174 [02:01:23] <ml|> If you keep them you most certainly run into
trouble.
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179 [02:03:26] <Azrael_-> currently running jessie with php
5.6/7.0/7.1/7.2, have to get the same setup after the upgrade :D
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181 [02:04:14] <ml|> Azrael_-: After removing or commenting out
those sources. Before using aptitude ncurses interface to try to
downgrade them do an apt update.
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183 [02:04:55] <ml|> Or else your attempt to try to downgrade
them will fail.
184 [02:05:13] <Azrael_-> ok, thanks
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186 [02:05:34] <ml|> Good Luck, as you know your setup is not
supported.
187 [02:06:03] <Azrael_-> i know, but i just needed the various
php versions all on one machine and this is also not supported
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190 [02:06:39] <Azrael_-> if i do all this on an lvm-snapshot,
can i change an lvm snapshot into the real "version" or is
this impossible?
191 [02:06:43] <ml|> Yes, that is what I meant on top of
downgrading.
192 [02:07:27] <ml|> Can not help you with that, maybe someone
else will chime in.
193 [02:07:35] <Azrael_-> thanks
194 [02:07:59] <Azrael_-> will probably come back then for more
questions :)
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197 [02:09:03] <ml|> The most important thing is to upgrade a
pure debian system.
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199 [02:10:21] <ml|> It maybe also be better to purge said
packages, instead of just uninstalling them. Just make a backup of
config files before purging the packages.
200 [02:10:26] <ml|> Azrael_-: ^
201 [02:10:57] <Azrael_-> ouch, even purge? ok.....
202 [02:11:04] <ml|> *may be
203 [02:11:45] <Azrael_-> got a "not so important" vm
and will try it out with this first
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205 [02:12:53] <ml|> Just in case to be on the safe side, but not
sure; just being cautious.
206 [02:13:11] <Azrael_-> thanks again
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208 [02:14:18] <ml|> Yes, that is a good plan. Read the release
notes before starting to get an idea and try my suggestions.
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210 [02:14:38] <ml|> No problem, Good Night :)
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227 [02:22:52] <ml|> Azrael_-: Just realized that if downgrading
those system libraries does not work. You can manually download them
with apt or from s.d.o and manually install them.
228 [02:23:01] <ml|> dpkg: s.d.o
229 [02:23:02] <dpkg> s.d.o is, like, security.debian.org
230 [02:23:14] <ml|> well
231 [02:23:23] <ml|> dpkg: snapshot
232 [02:23:23] <dpkg>
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233 [02:23:36] <ml|> Azrael_-: s.d.o ^^
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235 [02:27:43] <ml|> Or at least try too.
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287 [03:24:31] <bymx> can some one guide me to update an apps?
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300 [03:29:43] <rant> p
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303 [03:31:04] <at0m> bymx: just ask. what app, and what's
the problem?
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307 [03:31:30] <at0m> oh i see you're on OFTC asking, too
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367 [04:29:17] <unknown> when i run apt-get with seemingly
harmless options, it says there is nothing to upgrade. any clue why?
replaced-url
368 [04:30:56] <unknown> aaaaaand i run it again and it ... works
as expected. well ok then.
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377 [04:43:33] <unknown> what do i do to show obsolete packages
taht can be purged?
378 [04:43:40] <unknown> from the command line
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380 [04:46:59] <themill> aptitude search ~o
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397 [04:54:56] <unknown> thanks
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425 [05:27:01] <unknown> oh my, but even with my confold and ucf
conffold setting, i get asked a lot of questions when upgrading
426 [05:27:29] <unknown> i thought i had that covered with
replaced-url
427 [05:28:08] <unknown> (the second part, which works for some
reason)
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429 [05:31:56] <themill> what questions?
430 [05:32:24] <themill> (also, you probably don't want
confmiss if you're upgrading an existing installation)
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432 [05:34:50] <themill> you've not told debconf to be
non-interactive in that
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434 [05:40:01] <unknown> all sorts of console dialog box grey on
white questions. whether that is debconf or what idk. but i thought
all of those would be taken care of by the confold stuff.
435 [05:40:04] <unknown> why do i not want confmiss? i thought
confmiss meant, if a file was accidentally moved or deled, replace
it with new configuration. and if you /do not/ set confmiss, i
thought debian assumes you're a wizard who moved or deled on
purpose and will not ask.
436 [05:41:17] <rj1> wonder when debian 10 release will be
437 [05:41:19] <rj1> feels close :)
438 [05:41:21] <unknown> what is the difference between
.dkpg-dist and .dpkg-new?
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448 [05:50:31] <seeker63> trying to install stretch on a compaq
presario desktop with 80 gig hard drive and 1 gig ram. i have tried
three different mirrors installing gnome desktop with all the same
issues--somewhere during the select and install software phase
failure occurs. what could the problem be
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450 [05:52:11] <seeker63> i might add that when the initial
install screen appears i hit h and then enter and then at boot
prompt type install vga=normal fb=false
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455 [05:58:03] <Sleaker> seeker63: is it failing to find a disk
to install to, or failing to find the cd? what's the error
it's coming up with?
456 [05:58:20] <Sleaker> or are you already past partitioning and
it fails on actually installing the packages.
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459 [05:58:34] <Sleaker> need a bit more context.
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467 [06:03:36] <themill> unknown: yes, if you remove a conffile
then dpkg assumes you did that for a reason. Do you often delete
config files for no reason? Unwanted config coming back is not a
good thing.
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473 [06:07:04] <unknown> yes i checked and i never have deleted
or moved a config file on purpose or by accident. my qeustions
remain ?:)
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481 [06:12:49] <unknown> huh, google finds plenty of instances of
people hitting the could not peform immediage configuration error,
but none saying what that option does
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483 [06:17:14] <seeker63> Sleaker: sorry was getting some seniors
to an after prom thing. It failed while installing packages past
partitioning
484 [06:17:40] <seeker63> Sleaker: installing from mirror
485 [06:18:52] <Sleaker> seeker63: in that case you should be
able to swap to tty3 and check syslog to see what it failed to do
486 [06:19:11] <Sleaker> ctl+alt+F3
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488 [06:19:54] <themill> unknown: which upgrade are you doing?
489 [06:19:56] <Sleaker> and depending on how far it got, you
could potentially copy /var/log/syslog into /target/tmp and then
chroot /target to have a bit more of an environment
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491 [06:20:30] <seeker63> sleaker: ok will do that and then give
you feedback as to what i find
492 [06:20:48] <Sleaker> the installer env doesn't have a
lot of the base tools so if it was able to install bash and less
into /target you can run those from inside the chrooted env.
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504 [06:27:24] <COOurb|2> help me with adding route
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507 [06:28:36] <COOurb> I'm using OpenVPN and wanna have
routes to some nodes without VPN
508 [06:29:17] <COOurb> so I added it like ""ip route
add 77.77.77.0/24 via 192.168.1.2 dev enp1s0
509 [06:29:24] <unknown> i guess i do want apt-get to be
noninteractive after all. those arguments still eave a ton of
questions. and they all kind of appear randomly not a once.
510 [06:30:00] <COOurb> but it doesn't work
511 [06:30:12] <Sleaker> unknown: if you want it to answer yes
for everyhing that's one way to do it.
512 [06:30:22] <COOurb> traceroute with -g 192.168.1.1
doesn't work too
513 [06:30:34] <themill> unknown: most debconf questions will be
at the start of the apt run, but apt cannot know that some of them
need asking until later in the maintainer scripts. (and this is
debconf not apt or dpkg)
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518 [06:34:08] <unknown> Sleaker it will answer yes to
everything? ah then i do not want that. i want the default for
everything i think.
519 [06:34:14] <Sleaker> themill: if it's debconf you can
preseed those answers though correct?
520 [06:34:18] <Sleaker> or am I thinking d-i.
521 [06:34:26] <unknown> this is for a dist upgrade
522 [06:34:29] <Sleaker> ahh
523 [06:34:38] <Sleaker> I haven't run into questions during
dist-upgrading.
524 [06:34:46] <ryouma> i am buried under quesitons
525 [06:34:53] <themill> you always get questions when upgrading
526 [06:34:58] <Sleaker> is this stretch -> buster?
527 [06:35:03] <ryouma> no to stretch
528 [06:35:07] <Sleaker> ah.
529 [06:35:11] <themill> but yes, you really should preseed the
answers rather than blindly turn them off
530 [06:35:20] <Sleaker> jessie -> stretch?
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532 [06:36:07] <ryouma> in my case, yes. dunno about unknown.
533 [06:37:09] <unknown> from jessie to stretch
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537 [06:44:45] <imkillroy> hello, how can i see the largest files
in a directory?
538 [06:45:52] <Sleaker> imkillroy: the command you might be
looking for is 'du' if you want to include directory sizes
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540 [06:46:06] <Sleaker> otherwise ls shows you file sizes
541 [06:46:31] <Sleaker> ls -s will sort by size.
542 [06:46:40] <imkillroy> perfect, thanks
543 [06:48:07] <ryouma> wc -c will also find file sizes quickly
544 [06:48:22] <ryouma> (and du can show files if you want)
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548 [06:50:32] <rant> there is also baobab a program so stupidly
named its hard to remember what its called to even suggest it
549 [06:50:47] <rant> ,i baobab
550 [06:50:48] <judd> Package baobab (gnome, optional) in
stretch/amd64: GNOME disk usage analyzer. Version: 3.22.1-1; Size:
371.5k; Installed: 1719k; Homepage:
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551 [06:51:29] <epsilon> ls -S not -s
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558 [07:03:36] <imkillroy> another question, ive already started
a rclone copy command but id like to see the transfer speed etc, is
there any way to do that from ssh shell?
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561 [07:04:46] <rant> I'd like my current move from my sata
ssd to my usb3 hdd to not be snailing along at 1.5MB/s right now :P
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566 [07:08:03] <imkillroy> im only moving movies so im not as
anxious xd, just wondering
567 [07:08:34] <rant> yeah well I'm plannning to leave soon
and got a lot more crap in the queue
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569 [07:09:53] <ryouma> "The following packages were
automatically installed and are no longer required:" but apt
autoremove does not remove them
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577 [07:21:55] <seeker63> is there a flight gear package for
stretch
578 [07:22:38] <rant> ,v flightgear
579 [07:22:39] <judd> Package: flightgear on amd64 --
jessie-security: 3.0.0-5+deb8u1; jessie: 3.0.0-5+deb8u3; stretch:
1:2016.4.4+dfsg-3+deb9u1; sid: 1:2018.3.1+dfsg-1; buster:
1:2018.3.2+dfsg-2+b1
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581 [07:23:26] <seeker63> ok sounds good thanks
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594 [07:35:44] <seeker63> Sleaker; got t0 cleaning up and then
through the same error select and install software failed
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598 [07:38:44] <seeker63> Sleaker: wow did as you suggested and
syslog has a lot in it
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601 [07:42:18] <Sleaker> seeker63: right, it has the full log of
everything that's been going on
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604 [07:44:38] <seeker63> Sleaker: so how do i tell what the last
thing it did was
605 [07:46:07] <Sleaker> seeker63: it's at the end of the
log file
606 [07:47:18] <seeker63> Sleaker: ok in nano is there a easy way
to get to bottom instead of down arrow key
607 [07:47:47] <Sleaker> seeker63: not sure, I use less for
perusing files and end works
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612 [07:59:00] <seeker63> Sleaker: Here are the last three lines
-- main-menu[210]WARNING 88; configuring 'pkgsel' ailed
with error code 1. main-menu[210]: warning **: Menu item
'pkgsel' failed. init: starting pid 189, tty
'/dev/tty3': '-/bin/sh'
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614 [07:59:28] <seeker63> Sleaker; so it looks like the pkgsel
failed whatever that is
615 [08:01:36] <seeker63> Sleaker: a little above these it has
in-target: processing was halted because there were too many errors
616 [08:01:39] <Sleaker> seeker63: pkgsel is what installs stuff.
you should scroll up for more errors
617 [08:01:58] <Sleaker> yup
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620 [08:04:50] <seeker63> Sleaker: ok dpkg: error processing
package printer-driver-ptouch which caused dpkg to stop because too
many erroes
621 [08:05:13] <Sleaker> hmmm that's wierd
622 [08:05:19] <Sleaker> ,v printer-driver-ptouch
623 [08:05:20] <judd> Package: printer-driver-ptouch on amd64 --
jessie: 1.3-8; stretch: 1.4.2-2+b1; buster: 1.4.2-3; sid: 1.4.2-3
624 [08:05:30] <Sleaker> what version?
625 [08:05:46] <Sleaker> might be a cascading issue caused
because something else didn't install though.
626 [08:05:50] <Sleaker> what tasks did you select?
627 [08:06:52] <Sleaker> ah I have to head out.
628 [08:07:08] <seeker63> Sleaker: it shows no version number and
earlier it tried to install before python3
629 [08:07:36] <seeker63> sleaker: ok thanks for help i selected
gnome print server and desktop
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631 [08:07:56] <seeker63> maybe next go around i should leave off
print server
632 [08:08:22] <seeker63> good night one and all
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652 [08:30:06] <melissa666> Anyone know what to make of this?
-->
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658 [08:31:20] <melissa666> ... I should say, btw - it's not
broken on all videos on Youtube either. Youtube is the only site
I've experienced this on so far though.
659 [08:32:07] <melissa666> When I say playback is
"broken", I mean it just indefinitely hangs with the error
message shown in the screencap about "try restarting your
device if it doesn't start playing"
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671 [09:02:19] <martin-_-_> morning
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699 [09:44:17] <martin-_-_> I got a sparc32. So I can't use
Debian Stretch ?
700 [09:44:50] <Sleaker>
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701 [09:46:04] <Sleaker> martin-_-_: the debian wiki states that
sparc isn't even currently supported in the linux kernel
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707 [09:46:56] <Sleaker> martin-_-_: so uh, that's a big no
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713 [09:50:27] <martin-_-_> Sleaker I'm switching to Wheezy
?
714 [09:50:41] <martin-_-_> currently doesn't find Wheezy
apt.sources…
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717 [09:51:12] <Sleaker>
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718 [09:51:15] <martin-_-_> trying to install Debian wheezy with
debootstrap
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720 [09:51:40] <Sleaker> martin-_-_: wiki says it hasn't
been supported since 1999
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722 [09:51:49] <Sleaker> looks like you're 2 decades behind
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728 [09:54:10] <pie3> anyone having experience with imap stuffs?
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731 [09:55:34] <martin-_-_> Sleaker where do I find the
apt.sources for Etch ?
732 [09:55:58] <jelly> !ado
733 [09:55:59] <dpkg> Debian has archives of no-longer-supported
releases at
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734 [09:56:03] <jelly> martin-_-_: ^
735 [09:56:23] <martin-_-_> I'm trying to figure out which
URL OF Debian Mirro I should use mentioned here
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736 [09:57:23] <jelly> that'd probably be
replaced-url
737 [09:58:09] <martin-_-_> $CHROOT
replaced-url
738 [09:58:34] <jelly> ,v chromium
739 [09:58:36] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- jessie:
57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1;
stretch: 70.0.3538.110-1~deb9u1; sid: 72.0.3626.53-1;
stretch-security: 73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1; buster: 73.0.3683.75-1
740 [09:59:15] <jelly> melissa666: 73 isn't that old, which
debian release is this?
741 [10:01:49] <jelly> martin-_-_: fine for what?
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743 [10:02:12] <jelly> martin-_-_: debootstrap?
744 [10:02:35] <jelly> martin-_-_:
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745 [10:02:53] <jelly> just that
746 [10:03:13] <martin-_-_> thanks jelly. I'm also not sure
debootstrap --arch sparc or debootstrap --arch sparc32?
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748 [10:03:31] <jelly> sparc
749 [10:04:22] <martin-_-_> E: No such script:
/usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch :/
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751 [10:04:50] <martin-_-_> it only contains: potato sarge
sarge.buildd sid sid.buildd slink woody woody.buildd
752 [10:05:06] <jelly> you will want to get a newer debootstrap.
753 [10:06:00] <martin-_-_> well, I could uninstall depbootstrap
and install the debootstrap from etch
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757 [10:07:04] <jelly> no need to uninstall, just get a newer one
(from stretch or sid) and install that
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759 [10:08:18] <martin-_-_> How can I do that? jelly
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765 [10:09:34] <martin-_-_> got it
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767 [10:09:55] <jelly> there's a download link down
768 [10:10:45] <jelly> Architecture [all], actually a link to
pick where to download from
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771 [10:11:57] <jelly> it is however possible that .deb is too
new format to be installable with sarge/etch version of dpkg
772 [10:12:05] <Sleaker> probably is
773 [10:12:26] <martin-_-_>
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774 [10:12:52] <martin-_-_> how do I get this
debian-archive-keyring.gpg ?
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776 [10:14:08] <jelly> it comes with in the
debian-archive-keyring package
777 [10:14:35] <martin-_-_> thx
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779 [10:15:14] <jelly> you'll want to get one older than
jessie, probably
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782 [10:20:07] <martin-_-_> I can't find any packages for
wheezly on this deban package page. The oldest is jessie for
debian-archive-keyring
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784 [10:21:30] <jelly> no, you wouldn't, wheezy is archived
as well
785 [10:21:46] <jelly> so you'd have to get it from
archive.d.o as well :-)
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790 [10:27:57] <martin-_-_> hm this page doesn't work at all
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792 [10:29:17] <martin-_-_> and in
replaced-url
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803 [10:40:42] <jelly> the packages are in a pool structure,
separate from repo metadata.
804 [10:40:45] <jelly>
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806 [10:42:27] <martin-_-_> I can't install anything anymore
E: The package debian-archive-keyring needs to be reinstalled, but I
can't find an archive for it. :/
807 [10:42:41] <jelly> that's not the first error you got.
808 [10:42:52] <jelly> can you show the whole output
809 [10:43:04] <jelly> and the command line user
810 [10:43:07] <jelly> used*
811 [10:43:52] <martin-_-_> I'll try a factory reset
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827 [10:57:17] <shtrb> will tls 1.2 be deprecated in buster ?
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835 [11:02:11] <jelly> shtrb: that's the main ssl/tls
protocol right now. It will likely stay with us for a decade or so
more
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838 [11:03:32] <shtrb> Thank you ! jelly
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844 [11:11:15] <Ingvix> Hey, does anyone know of a flexible
bittorrent client with webui that can at least let me rename the
files I download? Better even if it lets me edit the torrents
internal directory tree
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846 [11:13:33] <Ingvix> I've used qbittorrent but it's
webui doesn't let as extensive editing as the normal gui and
just tested transmission but it's even simpler
847 [11:14:00] <at0m> Ingvix: transmission runs as backend, and
there's quite some frontends for it. gtk, web, mobile..
848 [11:14:07] <at0m> ok
849 [11:14:22] <Ingvix> yeah...
850 [11:14:44] <Ingvix> at least I didn't find a way to
rename the torrent's file contents
851 [11:14:57] <Ingvix> in transmission
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859 [11:19:19] <Ingvix> Downpour look interesting, going to try
it
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881 [11:45:15] <OnlyLove_> Hi! I am a very hot girl! I want sex!
❤
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885 [11:45:37] <jelly> oops
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934 [12:25:34] <shtrb> Yay for the magnificent workaround for
git-svn , just move from https to http.
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941 [12:35:08] <martin-_-_> jelly I'm one step further
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947 [12:39:57] <martin-_-_> chroot /c/etch mount -t proc proc
/proc Illegal instruction
948 [12:40:03] <martin-_-_> :O
949 [12:40:27] <shtrb> /c ?
950 [12:41:11] <shtrb> Is that windows ?
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953 [12:45:34] <martin-_-_> no shtrb
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960 [12:52:11] <jelly> martin-_-_: does a simple chroot /c/etch
/bin/sh work?
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962 [12:52:47] <jelly> martin-_-_: what does "uname -a"
say?
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983 [13:10:25] <martin-_-_> jelly Linux fes-a120d19nas
2.6.17.14ReadyNAS #1 Wed Jun 20 20:08:20 PDT 2012 padre GNU/Linux
984 [13:10:39] <martin-_-_> chroot /c/etch /bin/sh resulted also
in an illegal instruction
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987 [13:12:14] <jelly> martin-_-_: and "cat
/proc/cpuinfo"?
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989 [13:12:41] <jelly> it's possible debian 4 simply does
not support your cpu
990 [13:13:42] <jelly> (that is, the cpu in that NAS box is older
sparc architecture and missing some otherwise common part of the
instruction set)
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996 [13:16:32] <martin-_-_> jelly thats odd.
997 [13:16:47] <martin-_-_> When I compile the programs from
source I use build=sparc-linux
998 [13:17:29] <jelly> there were 4-5 generations of 32bit sparc
cpus
999 [13:17:53] <martin-_-_>
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1005 [13:21:40] <jelly> martin-_-_: you might be stuck with sarge
or there are other workarounds in place, try to set up a sarge
chroot and see if that works
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1012 [13:23:54] <jelly> google results for that cpuinfo show only
one particular NAS vendor
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1018 [13:30:39] <jelly> if a clean sarge chroot also fails with
illegal instruction, that might mean the vendor has custom fixes in
other places (libc6 maybe)
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1020 [13:31:03] <martin-_-_> jelly yes. as far as I know this nas
model is the only one which exists
1021 [13:31:34] <martin-_-_> jelly that makes sense. there exists
a custom libc6 for this model
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1024 [13:33:02] <martin-_-_> so I would need to copy this libc6 to
the /c/etch … I think I stopp here. its stumble from one
workaround to another
1025 [13:33:15] <martin-_-_> I guess I stick by compiling stuff
from source
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cue or toc, while making image?
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1152 [15:21:26] <GNU_xormor> my hardware is a bit outdated. should
I avoid "stretch-backports"?
1153 [15:23:02] <GNU_xormor> the "debian stable" repos
run fine with my integrated graphics hardware. it is NVidia GeForce.
I have an intel Corei3 desktop computer, black, with
"ASUS" printed on the front panel.
1154 [15:23:23] <Tom-_> did you say an i3 was outdated
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1157 [15:23:51] <Tom-_> i have a core 2 duo running Debian stretch
now, with 1 GB of RAM. i haven't tried stretch backports on it,
but i think it won't hurt
1158 [15:24:10] <yuastnav> hey
1159 [15:24:22] <yuastnav> since owncloud is not available on
debian what is everyone using?
1160 [15:24:27] <yuastnav> what's a good alternative
1161 [15:24:34] <Tom-_> (although the 1 GB of RAM really does
limit things)
1162 [15:24:44] <GNU_xormor> the stretch-backports tried to
install new graphics drivers that are not supported by my hardware
so it asked me if I wanted to keep the old drivers. I said
"keep the old graphics drivers". later I installed the
other than nouveau, something called "legacy 3004x" or
something. the graphics seem to work almost properly, except
sometimes KDE has glitches. has always had with all systems I have
used.
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1166 [15:25:58] <GNU_xormor> Tom-_, my core i3 is from 2013
Spring, it is now 2019 spring - 6 years old. maybe in about 4-5
years my hardware will be antique.
1167 [15:26:32] <Tom-_> my imac is antique, and i still say Debian
stretch would run on it fine if it had a little more RAM
1168 [15:26:55] <Tom-_> i suppose there is not much speed
difference in the backports packages
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1176 [15:31:52] <GNU_xormor> Tom-_, our computers are so-called
"general purpose computers". I remember when I was a child
in the 1990's, I was a teenager, we had first 4MB of RAM and
then 8MB of RAM. Gol dang that is antique. Now we have at least 1GB,
could have 4GB or even more. the systems we ran in the beginning of
1990's often supported 32 bit architecture and were it, but the
MS-DOS limited it to 16 bits unless an extension program was used.
32 bit is now outdated, we
1177 [15:31:52] <GNU_xormor> have 64 bit, have had for about 10
years now. I am a 38-year-old man, I am living my
"midlife".
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1185 [15:35:51] <GNU_xormor> Tom-_, we ran the real mode often,
and there used to be HIMEM.SYS and EMS386.EXE or EMM386.EXE,
don't remember that well. those computers are retro now and
belong into a retro collection or a computer museum. the cell phones
are now very advanced, it is of the "old times" using a
desktop or laptop computer. now people just play games or run
GNU/Linux on them, or MacOS. I think my cell phone is more advanced,
it is an Android cell phone, Samsung,
1186 [15:35:52] <GNU_xormor> than my desktop computer - an ASUS
intel core i3 with NVidia GeForce etc. the cell phones are also
"general purpose computers" now.
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1188 [15:37:02] <EdePopede> not really. too small display and
crappy keyboards
1189 [15:37:18] <Tom-_> okay xormer that was interesting, but
please take the stories to #debian-offtopic :) they only want help
questions in here
1190 [15:37:20] <Tom-_> no problem
1191 [15:37:22] <GNU_xormor> the advantage of a desktop computer
is the keyboard, the mouse and the big screen. otherwise I could
always and only use just a cell phone, or a tablet (yuck).
1192 [15:37:23] <EdePopede> unless you attach something external
1193 [15:37:55] <GNU_xormor> ok, #debian-offtopic is it. thanks.
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1199 [15:40:08] <EdePopede> but is there a rule of thumb when it
would be time to get some newer hardware for debian? or is it all
mostly about the usual specs? ram and cpu mostly.
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1204 [15:41:31] <djp_> is it possible to set an environment
variable in a desktop shortcut? if i launch a program from the cli
like so, "MESA_GL_VERSION_OVERRIDE=3.2
MESA_GLSL_VERSION_OVERRIDE=150 higan" it opens and convinces
higan that it is using the correct version of opengl. however,
adding the same command to launcher properties under edit menus of
my gnome desktop fails.
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1216 [15:52:11] <synaps3> djp_, try adding it simply as a command
before real program name
1217 [15:52:30] <synaps3> ENV_VAR=VAL; program
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1226 [15:55:18] <jelly> djp_, put "env " in front of
that command line, env MESA... higan
1227 [15:55:49] <djp_> synaps3: nope. doesn't work.
1228 [15:56:37] <djp_> jelly: thank you. :)
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1288 [16:37:35] <sudoquai> i would like to make an rsync job which
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1322 [17:07:34] <fijidrummerboii> Does a lowlatency kernel exist
for Debian as it would on Ubuntu Studio? I can't find one and I
can't get the sources from Ubuntu either with apt-get source
linux-image-lowlatency
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1325 [17:08:12] <fijidrummerboii> I need a lowlatency kernel
specifically for Stretch
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1330 [17:11:34] <SwedeMike> fijidrummerboii: and the realtime
kernel isn't enough?
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1334 [17:12:03] <SwedeMike> fijidrummerboii:
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1337 [17:12:38] <fijidrummerboii> Well I've heard problems
about the realtime kernel interfering with desktop usage
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1339 [17:14:25] <fijidrummerboii> And is the realtime really
better than a lowlatency kernel? It's pretty unstable from what
I've heard
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1347 [17:20:02] <tomreyn> fijidrummerboii: for ubuntu it'd be
something like 'sudo apt install
linux-buildinfo-4.18.0-17-lowlatency' - dpkg -L for it is
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1390 [17:48:11] <wr> why all those iso's on Desktop
Environments, ain't it possible on one iso choose any available
DE?
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1395 [17:50:41] <n4dir> it is.
1396 [17:50:54] <n4dir> probably for the ones who install without
internet connection.
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1446 [18:38:30] <jhutchins> fijidrummerboii: You could install
both the realtime and the standard kernel. Use the standard as your
default for desktop usage, the realtime when you need that specific
character.
1447 [18:39:46] <jhutchins> I think there's probably not much
difference between the Debian realtime and the Ubuntu low-latency.
More a matter of terminology.
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1452 [18:44:50] <jhutchins> I never went quite that far down the
audio road, but it would have been the next step. We're not
great at Ubuntu/Debian comparisons, we tend to use Debian pretty
consistently.
1453 [18:46:00] <jhutchins> I can tell you that the lag of the
standard kernel means it really doesn't work in audio studio
settings.
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1653 [20:54:02] <Somelauw> Can I see if all my packages are from
stable or if I have a frankendebian?
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1656 [20:55:01] <Somelauw> and which of chroot, flatpack and
snappy is the better alternative?
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1666 [20:59:28] <tristero> Somelauw: " aptitude search
'~S~i!~Odebian' " will show you packages that are
installed but not from Debian (some may have been from Debian but no
longer ...). Then you can do "apt-cache policy" or
"apt-cache show" on them to find out more
1667 [21:00:06] <Somelauw> tristero: thanks, but hard to remember
that command
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1669 [21:00:37] <tristero> yes, aptitude search is a complicated
sub-language all its own, I have it jotted down in a cribsheet file
1670 [21:01:05] <Somelauw> i also still use apt-get dist-upgrade
instead of apt or aptitude
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1672 [21:01:49] <tristero> same, I only use aptitude for these
kinds of queries, not as a pkg mgmt tool
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1675 [21:03:42] <kreyren> anyone knows why is dkms beeing
triggered?
replaced-url
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1679 [21:04:58] <Somelauw> tristero: that query yields quite a lot
of results for me. A lot of them are libreoffice and texlive
packages, but also some libs.
1680 [21:05:25] <Somelauw> Some of them start with A and some
don't
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1685 [21:06:52] <tristero> A = automatically installed IIRC. And
you'll get false positives if you've done an apt-get
update but not an upgrade recently, if the installed version has
been superseded
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1706 [21:25:07] <nedstark> is there a channel for the firefox
packagers
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1708 [21:25:53] <jhutchins> nedstark: Mozilla, inc.
1709 [21:25:56] <nedstark> we're looking to dump firefox for
palemoon and would like to know of any issues debian had
1710 [21:26:22] <nedstark> packagers, not the project itself
1711 [21:26:34] * booyah thinks dumping firefox sounds like a good idea,
it's about time
1712 [21:26:58] <jhutchins> nedstark: You could see if
there's anything in the BTS.
1713 [21:27:32] <nedstark> ok i'll check that
1714 [21:27:41] <jhutchins> nedstark: I would think that would be
the main way the packagers found out about problems.
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1729 [21:37:13] <nedstark> appears no major issues with palemoon.
we're going to it, because it's become clear firefox and
google are joined at the hip when they both banned an extension on
the same day
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1733 [21:40:28] <nedstark> mozilla's also not released their
irs form 990 in a few years, so we wonder who's paying for them
now
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1737 [21:44:06] <wald0> why is 'netsurf' package not
available in buster?
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1740 [21:45:10] <rpifan> i need a backup solution that is simple
allows for partial restores and isnt rsync any ideas
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1742 [21:46:26] <diogenes_> rpifan, dejadup
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1744 [21:48:00] <rpifan> ive installed it but it wont let me
select the files i want to resstore
1745 [21:48:50] <mynickname> ?
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1747 [21:49:21] <mynickname> hey
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1751 [21:52:29] <wald0> rpifan: i use unison for years, is not
exactly a backup but a sync tool among different computers / disks,
with bidirectional / merging features
1752 [21:52:38] <wald0> maybe its a bit different to what you are
searching for
1753 [21:52:42] <rpifan> hm
1754 [21:52:46] <rpifan> just simple ness
1755 [21:52:50] <rpifan> click and select
1756 [21:53:15] <wald0> that is (giving you much more control,
instead of click to full sync)
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1761 [21:53:36] <jhutchins> rpifan: What's wrong with rsync?
1762 [21:55:38] <rpifan> it doesnt work
1763 [21:55:43] <rpifan> it puts files back into the drive
1764 [21:55:46] <rpifan> instead of the external drive
1765 [21:55:50] <rpifan> and then redoes the stuff
1766 [21:55:52] <rpifan> idk its just a mess
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1768 [21:56:02] <jhutchins> Yer doin' it wrong.
1769 [21:57:19] <jhutchins> I use rsync all the time. We
synchronize files across three different NFS systems, move files
around from server to server, synchronize CMS systems, etc.
1770 [21:57:48] <wald0> rsync is da best!
1771 [21:57:58] <jhutchins> rpifan: So I would say one task would
be to figure out how to use rsync properly, but you might also look
at rdiff backup.
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1773 [21:58:31] <rpifan> i just want point and click
1774 [21:58:35] <rpifan> and then return point and click
1775 [21:59:20] <jhutchins> What about when the reason you need to
restore is because the GUI is broken?
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1793 [22:22:37] <skyfighter> Good afternoon guys.
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1800 [22:26:37] <EdePopede> jhutchins: anything with ncurses?
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1811 [22:31:06] <rpifan> i dont ever need that
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1816 [22:33:13] <jhutchins> EdePopede: I think the console-based
solutions are such high quality there hasn't been any
motivation to develop a GUI version, or even a wrapper, but I
probably wouldn't know if there was one.
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1818 [22:34:25] <BazookaTooth> grsync will save your last profile
but like jhutchins mentioned, you need to fix your rsync command
1819 [22:34:42] <jhutchins> rpifan: If tthat's what
you're really looking for, why not just use your file browser?
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1823 [22:35:38] <EdePopede> jhutchins: as a heavy user of mc (and
former user of aptitude) i found out i have two reasons: 1) i
don't have to remember hundreds of switches for dozens of tools
2) i get the data nicely prepared, even without asking for it. doing
shell only sometimes is a real fight :>
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1831 [22:38:33] <jhutchins> rpifan: Here:
replaced-url
1832 [22:39:46] <jhutchins> Clonezilla might have a GUI wrapper.
1833 [22:40:06] <jhutchins> It at least has menu-based options.
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1840 [22:52:00] <jhutchins> That link I posted has a bunch of what
appear to be GUI interfaces, so I guess "I wouldn't
know" is true.
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1874 [23:17:12] <rant> I'd like to have an OSD of
keypress/mouse clicks suitable for screencasting how-to type videos,
do we have a utility for this or should I just hack something
together?
1875 [23:17:47] <rant> what I mean specifically is something
rather unobstructing but obvious and graphical
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1882 [23:20:21] <EdePopede> rant: i'd rather record them and
overlay the video later, so you could remove typos before upload.
and there's a tool for this iirc, i remember a site where you
can upload content from text terminals.
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1884 [23:21:19] <rant> yeah I dont want to do editing unless I
have to, I rather have a real-time OSD
1885 [23:21:20] <EdePopede> asciinema
1886 [23:21:37] <rant> main concern is things that aren't
obvious like left/right click
1887 [23:21:50] <EdePopede> i think you could fork the stream and
have an optional live overlay
1888 [23:21:50] <rant> typing is obvious you can most often see
echoing on the screen
1889 [23:22:15] <rant> ideally such a program wouldnt even show
typing already echoed.. but only stuff like MM keys, shortcuts using
modifiers, and clicks
1890 [23:22:20] <EdePopede> was this growing circle around the
cursor on click a windows thing?
1891 [23:22:45] <rant> idk but that wouldnt tell if its a left or
a right click
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1893 [23:23:41] <EdePopede> the keyboard part could be solved by
looking at the code it provides. if it is printable, don't show
it
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1897 [23:24:32] <rant> well this key-mon is in debian it seems and
this showkey is available via pip
1898 [23:24:36] <rant> ,i key-mon
1899 [23:24:37] <judd> Package key-mon (utils, optional) in
stretch/amd64: Utility to show live keyboard and mouse status.
Version: 1.17-1; Size: 86.9k; Installed: 2763k; Homepage:
replaced-url
1900 [23:24:48] <rant> so I'll check this one out first
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1902 [23:26:12] <rant> yes the keymon seems to be sufficient
1903 [23:27:06] <EdePopede> ,v screenkey
1904 [23:27:07] <judd> Package: screenkey on amd64 -- jessie:
0.2-2; stretch: 0.2-2; buster: 0.9-2; sid: 0.9-2
1905 [23:27:12] <rant> rather small OSD has 4 elements a mouse
showing left/right/middle/scroll, a shift/ctrl/alt modifiers and the
4th one just shows last key pressed that isnt a mouse button or
modifier
1906 [23:27:14] <EdePopede> ,i screenkey
1907 [23:27:15] <judd> Package screenkey (python, extra) in
stretch/amd64: screencast tool to display your keystrokes. Version:
0.2-2; Size: 10.9k; Installed: 110k; Homepage:
replaced-url
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1910 [23:28:12] <Somelauw> I have gcc-4.8, gcc-4.8 and gcc-6, are
they outdated, can I remove these?
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1913 [23:28:44] <Somelauw> Just linux linux-header-4.19 packages?
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1916 [23:29:08] <Somelauw> Or openjdk 8-9-10-jdk/jre?
1917 [23:29:09] <rant> EdePopede: yeah that one is crap.. shows a
bar across the entire horizontal of the screen echoing chars on a
line but does nothing for mouse or modifiers.. its both obstructing
and uninformative..
1918 [23:29:19] <rant> EdePopede: the key-mon seems good enough
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1924 [23:32:04] <Somelauw> apt-get remove should have a wildcard
option
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1928 [23:35:03] <Somelauw> well, it exists but maybe regex
matching is too unsafe for me
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1935 [23:37:06] <LilUFO> any idea on the state of raven ridge apus
working under debian testing?
1936 [23:37:39] <LilUFO> I had the latest testing packages and
correct firmware, and I couldn't get X to start
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1940 [23:40:14] <paul`> hi
1941 [23:43:19] <rant> LilUFO: not even remotely the right place
or the right question.. I know what a raven, a ridge, and a pus is..
but nfc what "raven ridge apus" is, and debian testing is
supported on irc.oftc.net in #debian-next
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1944 [23:44:27] <LilUFO> ah okay, sorry about that, sorry to cause
any trouble I'll check out debian next
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1947 [23:44:49] <rant> LilUFO: when you use acronyms with a plural
you shoule say APUs so people know what you mean
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