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• 20[00:18:19] <jmarsden> Is there a documented way to get Debian (real Debian, or a Pure blend, not Raspbian) running on a Raspberry Pi 4 ?
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• 24[00:19:40] <FuzzyByte> jmarsden: You can use the ARM variant I guess,
• 25[00:19:51] <FuzzyByte> haven't had experience tho
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• 29[00:21:24] <ryouma> what is a pure blend?
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• 31[00:21:56] <ryouma> i hought encrypted swap had different uuid each time
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• 37[00:24:43] <jmarsden> !pure blend
• 38[00:24:43] <dpkg> A Debian Pure Blend (formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. replaced-url
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• 64[00:39:27] <kevinnn> hi all, I know openvpn configurations might be a bit off topic for debian, but I really need help. My openvpn instance is simply not starting. The logs do not indicate that anything went wrong. but netstat doesn't show anything has bound to port 1194 and telnet-ing into that port shows a "connection refused"
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• 67[00:41:04] <tds> kevinnn: what version of debian, and where did you put the config file?
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• 70[00:41:40] <kevinnn> Debian 10, and the conf file is in the following directory: /etc/openvpn/server/server.conf
• 71[00:41:55] <tds> ok - what does `systemctl status openvpn-server@server` say?
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• 73[00:42:12] <kevinnn> tds: it shows that is has successfully started
• 74[00:42:20] <kevinnn> I am going to paste the exact output...
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• 76[00:42:41] <tds> please use paste.debian.net for that :)
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• 79[00:42:58] <kevinnn> replaced-url
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• 81[00:43:04] <kevinnn> ah, too late
• 82[00:43:07] <kevinnn> sorry tds
• 83[00:43:34] <tds> ah well that's fine, was mostly just hoping to avoid the channel filling up with logs :)
• 84[00:44:07] <tds> so that's listening on udp, so telnet definitely wouldn't let you connect to it (telnet does tcp) - does `ss -uplen` show it running on 1194?
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• 89[00:45:24] <kevinnn> tds: ah okay so that command does show that it is running on 1994
• 90[00:45:27] <kevinnn> 1194***
• 91[00:45:38] <kevinnn> UNCONN 0 0 0.0.0.0:1194 0.0.0.0:* users:(("openvpn",pid=1305,fd=6)) ino:19051 sk:6 <->
• 92[00:45:41] <kevinnn> to be specific
• 93[00:45:58] <tds> all sounds good on that front then - is a client unable to connect?
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• 95[00:46:05] <kevinnn> ah, how silly of me, of course telnet only does tcp
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• 97[00:46:14] <kevinnn> and no, the client is unable to connect
• 98[00:46:21] <kevinnn> I'll post the client logs
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• 100[00:47:27] <kevinnn> replaced-url
• 101[00:47:33] <kevinnn> ah
• 102[00:47:48] <kevinnn> didn't put x's for all instances of the VPN's IP
• 103[00:47:56] <kevinnn> I trust that the IP won't leak too far
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• 105[00:48:19] <kevinnn> tds: anyways it gets stuck there indefinitely
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• 110[00:49:31] <tds> hmm, nothing that looks very useful there - might be worth tcpdumping on the server to check if it's seeing the traffic in the first place
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• 118[00:52:12] <kevinnn> tds: okay okay I am trying that now
• 119[00:52:17] <ksk> kevinnn: not that you ask, but I found wireguard to be much more easy to run and configure, compared to openVPN ;)
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• 121[00:52:40] <kevinnn> ksk: thank you :)
• 122[00:53:16] <ksk> kevinnn: are you maybe able to test with a debian openvpn client? not that I had problems with tunnelblick in general, but..
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• 124[00:54:03] <jaakkos> Tunnelblick works with Debian 10 OpenVPN no problems.
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• 128[00:56:35] <jaakkos> kevinnn: is something preventing traffic from getting in/out? See if you can see any client traffic on the server: tcpdump -i ethX -nl udp port 1194
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• 137[01:07:39] <ABluemammal> Are cheap grey market Onedrive accounts from eBay safe? I'm using to bulk archive websites and YouTube channels.
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• 139[01:08:10] <ksk> ABluemammal: that question is related to debian how?
• 140[01:08:15] <ABluemammal> WinBlows 7 support ended! At least I'm using Debian. There are people who believe that they will move to "FreeBSD"; yet, they don't know about the hardware and CoC issues.
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• 142[01:08:48] <ABluemammal> What's the CoC for Debian? Does it include manspreading? If so, then I'll shoot myself.
• 143[01:09:30] <gry> I wouldn't use onedrive, it is better to use a federated solution such as torrents or gnunet
• 144[01:09:44] <gry> for file sharing
• 145[01:10:03] <gry> for storage, you can also use it, but you will need to buy devices and make them available online
• 146[01:10:38] <ABluemammal> I got a Onedrive account for $2 from eBay with 5TB of storage. It's meant for schools, but fuck M$. My previous dodgy account was finally put into read-only mode by M$ because it's not legit.
• 147[01:10:47] <gry> for website archives, you can use web.archive.org... for youtube channels, it is probably against their ToS...
• 148[01:11:00] <ABluemammal> I'm getting 429 errors from youtube-dl
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• 150[01:11:14] <gry> you can ask at #youtube-dl about this I think
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• 160[01:15:46] <FuzzyByte> ABluemammal: Probably old version
• 161[01:16:04] <ABluemammal> My youtube-dl version is the 2020 version.
• 162[01:16:11] <ABluemammal> I updated it before with youtube -U
• 163[01:16:28] <ABluemammal> Huh, a new version?
• 164[01:16:35] <ABluemammal> Just installed an update
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• 166[01:17:04] <ksk> replaced-url
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• 168[01:17:28] <ABluemammal> Yeah, I know what 429 means. It means that I'm doing too many requests.
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• 170[01:18:17] <ABluemammal> youtube-dl is even faster!
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• 197[01:20:10] <ABluemammal> Nice spam
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• 206[01:23:12] <ABluemammal> !debmultimedia
• 207[01:24:07] <ABluemammal> dpkg pulls out a rusty saw to perform a lobotomy on ChanServ
• 208[01:24:07] <dpkg> ABluemammal: wish i knew
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• 210[01:24:35] <ABluemammal> Who made dpkg's IRC bot?
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• 212[01:24:52] <ABluemammal> Unable to download webpage: HTTP Error 429: Too Many Requests (caused by HTTPError()); please report this issue on replaced-url
• 213[01:25:00] <ABluemammal> youtube-dl just shit itself
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• 216[01:26:01] <Illustrant> what does debian have over ubuntu?
• 217[01:26:17] <gry> differentiation between free and non-free
• 218[01:26:21] <ABluemammal> Debian isn't used for Amazon ads.
• 219[01:26:22] <gry> and friendlier chat
• 220[01:26:31] <gry> (if you use it right)
• 221[01:26:57] <ABluemammal> #archlinux will redpill you on Ubuntu
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• 232[01:30:07] <randompleb> Is gcc-doc available for buster yet?
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• 234[01:30:19] <Illustrant> is dual booting a windows 7 machine difficult?
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• 236[01:30:28] <randompleb> Illustrant: not at all.
• 237[01:30:54] <randompleb> Illustrant: However, you do know that Windows 7 won't be receiving any future security updates, right?
• 238[01:31:27] <Illustrant> yeah
• 239[01:31:34] <Illustrant> I am going to move fully to linux
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• 241[01:31:44] <Illustrant> windows blows
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• 245[01:31:59] <ABluemammal> Mandrake Linux is gud. Love your dad boomer
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• 249[01:32:32] <ABluemammal> INSTALL WINDOWS 10. FREE SPYWARE FOR ALL INSTALL WINDOWS 10. FREE SPYWARE FOR ALL
• 250[01:32:33] <ABluemammal> INSTALL WINDOWS 10. FREE SPYWARE FOR ALL
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• 252[01:32:34] <ABluemammal> INSTALL WINDOWS 10. FREE SPYWARE FOR ALL
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• 256[01:33:32] <ABluemammal> Every windows user is like replaced-url
• 257[01:33:38] <Illustrant> I just need something I know how to use to get me into the into the linux community while trying not to look like a dope doing it
• 258[01:33:42] <ksk> !offtopic
• 259[01:33:42] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 260[01:33:49] <ABluemammal> !debmultimedia
• 261[01:33:53] <ABluemammal> !offtopic
• 262[01:33:53] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 263[01:34:04] <ABluemammal> Just install Debian 10 with LXDE/XFCE.
• 264[01:34:21] <ABluemammal> or go get spooned on Plebbit
• 265[01:34:25] <randompleb> Hi, does anyone know if gcc-doc is available for buster yet?
• 266[01:34:26] <ABluemammal> !lobotomy dpkg
• 267[01:34:27] * dpkg pulls out a rusty saw to perform a lobotomy on dpkg
• 268[01:34:32] <ABluemammal> !lobotomy ksk
• 269[01:34:32] * dpkg pulls out a rusty saw to perform a lobotomy on ksk
• 270[01:34:51] <ksk> ,v gcc-doc
• 271[01:34:51] <ABluemammal> dpkg lobotomised itself
• 272[01:34:53] <judd> Package: gcc-doc on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 5:4.9.1-3; stretch/contrib: 5:6.1.0-1; buster-backports/contrib: 5:8.3.0-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/contrib: 5:9.2.0-1; sid/contrib: 5:9.2.0-1
• 273[01:34:53] <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, ABluemammal
• 274[01:35:17] <ksk> randompleb: seems to be available in buster-backports.
• 275[01:35:26] <randompleb> ksk, I see. Thanks.
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• 282[01:41:49] <ABluemammal> Will my thinkpad work with Debian? replaced-url
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• 284[01:42:19] <ABluemammal> Are there any accessibility options for dolphins to use Debian?
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• 289[01:42:33] <ksk> !ops ABluemammal
• 290[01:42:33] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: ksk complains about a problem (see above)
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• 381[02:11:05] <ryouma> likely a troll but technically might be a biologist studying animal behavior
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• 383[02:11:21] <ryouma> and stuck in accessibility as a sort of joke
• 384[02:11:47] <ryouma> oh never mind
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• 392[02:15:47] <Jiaming> think there is a file manager for dolphin
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• 397[02:19:09] <joepublic> good one
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• 435[02:37:48] <au2976> I'm facing a bug in a packet on Ubuntu, but dpkg says it's maintained by "debian QA", where should I file a bug report ?
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• 437[02:38:34] <au2976> mididings just doesn't start
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• 439[02:41:28] <themill> The ubuntu package is looked after by the Ubuntu people (well, it should be...)
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• 441[02:41:36] <themill> No-one is maintaining it in Debian
• 442[02:42:05] <themill> actually, it's not even in Debian any more
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• 447[02:43:23] <au2976> ok thank you
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• 452[02:46:42] <au2976> actually I missed the "maintainer" line and was looking at "original maintainers" woops sorry
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• 455[02:47:10] <au2976> the info seems up to date
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• 547[03:37:18] <antto> how do i kill firefox now?
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• 603[04:05:23] <Jiaming> antto: ps awux
• 604[04:05:31] <Jiaming> kill -9 <pid>
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• 623[04:16:47] <bluewizard> Hi All - After an offline install, I am setting apt sources.list and seeing a warning regarding ftp being disabled by default. The Debian wiki points to an official mirror list which has a US based mirror. Why would this be "unsupported and disabled by default", per the message returned when issuing apt-get update? Apologies if I missed something in the wiki that explains this.
• 624[04:17:04] <bluewizard> Forgot to add -- it is specifically complaining about FTP.
• 625[04:17:09] <ksk> bluewizard: use a http mirror
• 626[04:17:12] <ksk> !buster sources.list
• 627[04:17:13] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 629[04:17:26] <bluewizard> Ok, thank you.
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• 631[04:17:52] <bluewizard> The installer inserted a comment in the sources.list file that made me believe those were only meant to serve as examples.
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• 633[04:18:27] <ksk> you can choose a mirror nearby if you want (there are many) - but in reality, the difference will be small
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• 635[04:18:54] <bluewizard> Understood - thanks for the assist =)
• 636[04:18:57] <ksk> also, as far as I know, deb.debian.org is some mechanism which will make you use a nearby mirror automagicly
• 637[04:19:01] <ksk> welcome.
• 638[04:19:02] <ksk> !next
• 639[04:19:03] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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• 646[04:22:25] <roue> hola
• 647[04:22:55] <dvs> no such person is here ;-P
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• 649[04:24:10] <roue> I'm seeing a bizarre problem. I'm running Debian 9 on a Thinkpad T470. With the stock kernel everything is fine. I compiled 5.4.11 to get support for my docking station. That worked and everything is fine on the initial boot.
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• 651[04:25:03] <roue> When I put it to sleep and wake again GUI applications exhibit a weird pause every couple seconds ( scrolling firefox for instance ). If firefox is the only window on the screen the user interface will lag making it unusable.
• 652[04:25:40] <roue> If I have a terminal open onthe same screen outputting a stream of text, then firefox scrolling is smooth as butter. Move the terminal of scrolling text behind firefox, the lag is back.
• 653[04:25:44] <roue> It's bizarre.
• 654[04:26:12] <roue> If I reboot back into the 4.14.5 everything is fine again ( except my dock stops working properly ).
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• 683[04:43:46] <maxtim> that is bizarre. what have you googled so far?
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• 685[04:44:04] <maxtim> roue, see above
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• 696[04:48:11] <roue> maxtim I'm seeing all kinds of things that aren't quite what I'm seeing.
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• 698[04:48:38] <roue> looking for slowness after a suspend resume doesn't quite match because it's not that the whole system is slow, just some X applications.
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• 700[04:48:51] <roue> Looking for instances of firefox being slow ... well, that's a minefied.
• 701[04:48:54] <roue> minefield.
• 702[04:48:59] <roue> lots of noise to signal there.
• 703[04:49:30] <roue> Right now I'm trying a build of xorg to see if maybe there's an issue with the X included in Debian 9, but mostly I'm grabbing at straws.
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• 705[04:50:40] <roue> I've built a few kernels between 4.14.5 and 5.4.11 and will try them out to see if I can ping down when the regression happened, but I'm not a kernel dev, so I'm not sure what I'd do with that. I read about doing a git bisect to identify the exact commit. I might go down that road.
• 706[04:51:51] <roue> I thought maybe it was my cpu being throttled and that the process displaying all the text was bumping up the MHz, but since it's still running in the background when I hid the window it seems to be specific to how the X applications are updating their windows rather than a performance issue.
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• 763[05:23:37] <Disavowed> Evening all. Having some trouble installing Debian. I'm hoping to have a boot partition and elusively, a btrfs root under LUKS but I'm having difficulty setting the mount point for the encrypted partition. This isn't my strong suit so I'm probably missing something really obvious but if anyone has any pointers, they'd be greatly appreciated.
• 764[05:24:33] <Disavowed> When I hit "Finish partitioning and write changes to disk" I'm met with 'no root file system is defined', which is fair enough, because I'm not able to set a partition to mount at /.
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• 766[05:24:46] <Disavowed> The ideal outcome is a dual boot with Windows if that makes a difference.
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• 770[05:25:43] <brimonk> Is it possible to install Debian with only WiFi?
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• 772[05:25:57] <fnaticrisk> It is
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• 774[05:26:16] <fnaticrisk> It will ask you the SSID and PASSWORD during the installation
• 775[05:26:18] <brimonk> So, I have the nonfree iso on a usb stick, and I can't figure out how to connect it to wifi.
• 776[05:26:30] <brimonk> fnaticrisk: It just says that the network autoconfig failed.
• 777[05:26:52] <fnaticrisk> Does it recognize your wifi interface?
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• 780[05:27:13] <brimonk> It doesn't seem to do anything with wifi.
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• 782[05:27:17] <brimonk> My computer might be too new.
• 783[05:27:34] <dvs> That's a possibility
• 784[05:27:57] <fnaticrisk> Are you installing the netinst iso?
• 785[05:28:05] <brimonk> Yeah.
• 786[05:28:11] <brimonk> I'm using the netinst iso
• 787[05:28:35] <fnaticrisk> You can also download the ISO with non-free driver, or even download the DVD with everything in it
• 788[05:28:41] <fnaticrisk> So no need for wifi or ethernet connection
• 789[05:28:58] <Disavowed> Interestingly, the partitioner is now unable to see the encrypted partition when you hit 'configure encrypted volumes'
• 790[05:28:58] <fnaticrisk> But you can C-alt F1-F8 and try to solve for yourself
• 791[05:29:03] <Disavowed> Bug I guess?
• 792[05:29:30] <fnaticrisk> Setting it statically or using the busybox commands to see if there's a wifi interface driver workring
• 793[05:29:56] <brimonk> Is there some way in this installer that I can see like, the model number or something of this machine?
• 794[05:30:05] <dvs> brimonk, what CPU do you have?
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• 796[05:30:20] <Disavowed> Ah, definitely a bug - 'undo changes to partitions' is a NOOP
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• 799[05:30:38] <brimonk> Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-9880H CPU
• 800[05:30:46] <brimonk> It's got like, 16 cores or some nonsense.
• 801[05:31:05] <fnaticrisk> You can read some info of your system in /proc
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• 896[06:31:46] <Disavowed> Is there a Debian bugtracker that isn't reportbug that is useful to post to?
• 897[06:32:38] <jm_> there would be little point in having two separate bug trackers
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• 899[06:33:45] <JackFrost> What issue are you having with reportbug?
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• 903[06:34:43] <Disavowed> Well, I don't have a working Linux install for one
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• 905[06:35:06] <rjsalts> Disavowed: reportbug is email
• 906[06:35:24] <Disavowed> Oh! I apologise - that wasn't clear to me. Thank you for the pointer!
• 907[06:35:25] <rjsalts> Disavowed: replaced-url
• 908[06:35:26] <JackFrost> Indeed, you can just send an email, no script or anything else required.
• 909[06:35:33] <Disavowed> Oh perfect. Thank you all so much
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• 1165[09:25:08] <wizx> Do anyone here know, if DARPA (formerly known as ARPA) developed the arpa/ UNIX libraries?
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• 1175[09:30:56] <strongestAvenger> Hi all, what's the rationale behind "1 package can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see it.". A full-upgrade or dist-upgrade doesn't install it. Should I care?
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• 1197[09:50:28] <ratrace> strongestAvenger: can you pastebin the whole output?
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• 1215[10:04:42] <vlt> Hello. `man abcde` lists `abcde -d singletrack.flac -o vorbis` as example to "extract the files contained in singletrack FLAC file using the embedded cuesheet". How to tell it to read from a sidecar cuesheet "singletrac.cue" that it created when I archived the audio CD?
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• 1240[10:32:44] <pirla> Hello everyone. What's the command to look for missing firmwares?
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• 1244[10:33:29] <ratrace> pirla: you can dmesg | grep -i firmware to see any messages pertaining to firmware, which usually include naming the file it wants that was missing, then you can use apt-file to find which package that belongs to
• 1245[10:33:49] <pirla> already did, I need a firmware fr i910 and it's not listed
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• 1247[10:34:07] <ratrace> pirla: can you pastebin the relevant lines from dmesg?
• 1248[10:34:13] <pirla> sure
• 1249[10:35:08] <pirla> replaced-url
• 1250[10:35:20] <ratrace> pirla: could you use another bin please?
• 1251[10:35:23] <jm_> firmware-iwlwifi: /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-3945-2.ucode
• 1252[10:35:33] <pirla> another bin?
• 1253[10:35:38] <ratrace> paste.debian.net for example
• 1254[10:35:42] <pirla> oh, ok
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• 1256[10:36:45] <pirla> replaced-url
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• 1258[10:37:18] <ratrace> pirla: yep, what jm_ said. you need the firmware-iwlwifi package
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• 1260[10:37:30] <pirla> no, it's already installed
• 1261[10:37:38] <pirla> I need the i910 one
• 1262[10:37:52] <pirla> but I don't know either the file name nor the package
• 1263[10:38:18] <ratrace> pirla: if your kernel doesn't list the path of missing firmware, you don't need any
• 1264[10:38:29] <pirla> I need which command shows the "posible missing firmware" output
• 1265[10:38:30] <ratrace> I mean even if you install it, it won't be loaded
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• 1267[10:38:45] <pirla> really?
• 1268[10:38:47] <ratrace> the "possible missing firmware" is kernel complaining about missing firmware files
• 1269[10:38:55] <pirla> and how to get it?
• 1270[10:39:03] <ratrace> dmesg | grep -i firmware :)
• 1271[10:39:21] <pirla> same
• 1272[10:39:44] <ratrace> that means your kernel is not attempting to load any other firmware
• 1273[10:39:49] <pirla> during installation I had this message, but I don't see it anymore
• 1274[10:40:19] <jm_> because you installed the package, for installation you need to use firmware image
• 1275[10:40:28] <pirla> ok, so thanks
• 1276[10:40:33] <jm_> !firmware images
• 1277[10:40:33] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
• 1278[10:40:40] <pirla> another one: how can I use software rendering?
• 1279[10:41:27] <ratrace> in what context?
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• 1281[10:41:36] <pirla> to use Blender and Godot
• 1282[10:41:50] <pirla> because I don't have a gpu
• 1283[10:41:53] <ratrace> I don't understand whta you're asking
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• 1285[10:42:09] <ratrace> surely you have _some_ GPU or else you have no screen at all?
• 1286[10:42:15] <pirla> Blender ad Godot requires a OpenGL 3.3 GPU, I only have 1.4
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• 1289[10:42:34] <pirla> I mean GPU with shaders and so
• 1290[10:42:40] <ratrace> perhaps you meant you didn't have HW accelerated opengl graphics, which then means you already _are_ using software rendering for all that
• 1291[10:43:01] <pirla> no, I have acceleration, but it's not the latest opengl
• 1292[10:43:14] <ratrace> then the opengl driver will render it on the cpu
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• 1294[10:43:19] <pirla> is it there any way to emulate it?
• 1295[10:43:31] <ratrace> you're not listening
• 1296[10:43:35] <pirla> yes
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• 1301[10:44:02] <ratrace> opengl will use cpu to render if something can't be done by the gpu, unless something highly gpu-specific was requested and the software renderer is unable to perform that
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• 1304[10:44:21] <pirla> Ah, so it falls back automatically
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• 1306[10:44:43] <ratrace> but, if a newer opengl function is needed but your gpu doens't support that opengl version, there's nothing that you can do about that short of getting a newer gpu
• 1307[10:44:59] <huttan> Hello, anyone here familiar with the debian installer ? Trying to make an FDE sollution that is recognized by the ubuntu installer but not the debian one. Looking for solutions
• 1308[10:45:02] <pirla> but is it there any way to exclude the acceleration at all and do everything on the cpu?
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• 1310[10:45:49] <ratrace> pirla: there's two things here: a) OpenGL API and its highest supported version and b) opengl rendering things on the cpu, assuming "a)" is satisfied
• 1311[10:46:06] <pirla> sorry, I can't understand
• 1312[10:46:21] <pirla> how can I ensure a?
• 1313[10:46:27] <huttan> Basically I'm making a few volumes, vg_root, vg_swap, vg_home. but I'm encrypting vg_home inside vg_root making me want to install /home on /dev/mapper/luks_home rather than the vg itself. The debian installer will not understand this. Even when formating with a filesystem
• 1314[10:46:27] <ratrace> pirla: if you don't, why do you specifically require software renderer
• 1315[10:46:41] <pirla> to run blender and godot
• 1316[10:46:46] <pirla> I really care this
• 1317[10:47:19] <ratrace> pirla: I think you shouldn't bother yourself with that detail. You only need to see if your GPU supports the OpenGL version required by blender and godot
• 1318[10:47:21] <huttan> Anyone on a high level in debian please look at what I'm asking
• 1319[10:47:39] <pirla> it doesn't
• 1320[10:47:40] <ratrace> pirla: if they require higher opengl version, I don't think there's anything you can do.
• 1321[10:47:51] <pirla> that's why I'm asking for sw render
• 1322[10:48:11] <jm_> but surely blender as packaged in debian works with whatever version of opengl is available in it too
• 1323[10:48:23] <pirla> not lately
• 1324[10:48:30] <pirla> needs opengl 3.3
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• 1327[10:48:53] <jm_> are you talking about upstream blender or the version in buster?
• 1328[10:49:03] <pirla> 2.7 requires opengl 2.1
• 1329[10:49:10] <pirla> buster
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• 1332[10:49:23] <ratrace> huttan: what you wrote doesn't make much sense.... you have three different VGs? or did you mean you had a single VG but those are LVs?
• 1333[10:49:51] <ratrace> huttan: at any rate... this is #debian so we can really support only what debian does
• 1334[10:50:03] <pirla> in lenny there was swx11 for software rendering
• 1335[10:50:08] <jelly> huttan: why not have one PV and put all the LVs inside.
• 1336[10:50:09] <pirla> what do we have now?
• 1337[10:50:14] <huttan> ratrace, its specifically for debian
• 1338[10:50:52] <jelly> huttan: how many physical disks?
• 1339[10:50:57] <ratrace> huttan: I don't think the debian installer creates several VGs like you mentioned. perhaps you're confusing VGs with LVs?
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• 1341[10:51:24] <huttan> jelly, ether 1 or 2. Depending on if I put the boot on a separate one but that is irrelevant to the /home one either way
• 1342[10:51:52] <jelly> huttan: then there's little reason to split the one data disk into multiple PVs and VGs
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• 1344[10:52:44] <ratrace> also "encrypting vg_home inside vg_root" makes no sense at all
• 1345[10:53:00] <pirla> be right back, experimenting some
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• 1348[10:53:25] <jelly> huttan: make one partition, one luks, one PV on top and one VG, and then different LVs for root, swap, home
• 1349[10:53:31] <huttan> It looks like this, I format say /dev/sda2 into a big blob that I put vg_root and vg_home and vg_swap on; In one scenario I also encrypt the /home on top of that making it another mount point than /dev/vg_root/home. It decrypts as /dev/mapper/luks_home. Debian installer won't recognize this
• 1350[10:53:32] <jelly> inside that one VG
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• 1352[10:55:26] <huttan> on ubuntu it recognizes the unencrypted /dev/mapper/luks_home which is the decrypted version of /dev/vg_root/home. Yet in debian installer it cannot be found
• 1353[10:55:44] <huttan> confused yet ? Yes this is just for another layer of encryption.
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• 1356[10:56:17] <ratrace> totally confused. what you're saying makes absolutely no sense. "blob"? how do you put three VGs on "a big blob"?
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• 1358[10:56:41] <ratrace> I think you want sda2 to be the PV for the one VG consisting of three LVGs: root, home and swap
• 1359[10:56:42] <huttan> ratrace, blob = cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sda2
• 1360[10:56:49] <Mibka> When I boot my newly installed debian10 server I can not ssh into it. I get connection refused. When I enter some random data at the login prompt, at the console using local keyboard, not actually loggin in. Then suddenly the ssh server becomes accessible. Is this a know bug?
• 1361[10:57:01] <huttan> then then make pvs and vgs on top of that
• 1362[10:57:08] <ratrace> huttan: in THAT case..... you have sda2 as LUKS'd sda2_crypt which is THE PV for the one VG that consists of root, home and swap
• 1363[10:57:22] <huttan> ratrace, exatly
• 1364[10:57:36] <huttan> ratrace, then i encrypt the vg_home and mount it as /dev/mapper/luks_home on top of that
• 1365[10:57:38] <stmuk> probably a stupid question, but is there a cinnamon applet running in the panel which alerts when apt-get updates are available?
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• 1367[10:57:42] <ratrace> huttan: no you don't, lol
• 1368[10:58:04] <ratrace> huttan: if you have LUKS as PV, you have the entire VG already encrypted. you don't additionally encrypt home's LV
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• 1370[10:58:18] <huttan> ratrace, yes i do
• 1371[10:58:28] <ratrace> huttan: so you have encryption upon encryption?
• 1372[10:58:30] <huttan> ratrace, can suspend them separately, have diff keys in memory etc
• 1373[10:58:34] <huttan> ratrace, yes
• 1374[10:58:38] <ratrace> that makes ZERO sense
• 1375[10:58:48] <ratrace> you can't "suspend" them separately
• 1376[10:58:55] <huttan> ratrace, even if rootfs is unlocked u need another key to reach /home
• 1377[10:59:01] <ratrace> that is true, yes
• 1378[10:59:04] <huttan> ratrace, I can and do
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• 1380[10:59:14] <ratrace> no you can't. you don't suspend LUKS containers. you suspend the entire computer
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• 1382[10:59:24] <ratrace> unless you're using the word "suspend" for somethign entirely different
• 1383[10:59:28] <huttan> ratrace, u can suspend any luks encrypted "thing"
• 1384[10:59:36] <ratrace> sigh
• 1385[10:59:37] <huttan> ratrace, cryptsetup luksSuspend
• 1386[11:00:11] <huttan> Not want to argue, want to know how to get the debian installer to recognize this other than mounting and assigning it myself in fstab
• 1387[11:00:12] <ratrace> read the big friggin WARNING in the manpage
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• 1390[11:00:41] <huttan> ratrace, there is no right or wrong, only encryption and layers
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• 1392[11:00:55] <huttan> ratrace, thats the beauty of luks? :)
• 1393[11:01:03] <jelly> huttan: oh, you have a separate luks inside each LV?
• 1394[11:01:22] <jelly> I don't think d-i can deal with that, you'll have to do partitioning yourself
• 1395[11:01:22] <huttan> jelly, yes, but only the home one
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• 1397[11:01:35] <ratrace> huttan: sanity of your setup aside, if the debian installer doesn't recognize luks atop lvm atop luks, then you can't force it to short of writing new code. second, you cannot "luksSuspend" root, so...
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• 1399[11:01:50] <huttan> jelly, the whole /which contains 3 vg home swap and root
• 1400[11:02:03] <huttan> jelly, then i encrypt the vg_home and decrypt it to luks_home and put the /home there
• 1401[11:02:17] <huttan> jelly, requiring u to decrypt both / and /home to access your files
• 1402[11:02:18] <ratrace> why VG_home ?
• 1403[11:02:24] <ratrace> why do you have separate VGs?
• 1404[11:02:31] <huttan> ratrace, its just an example
• 1405[11:02:36] <ratrace> it's not just an example
• 1406[11:02:38] <jelly> ratrace: I suspect they named their LV "vg_home"
• 1407[11:02:43] <huttan> ratrace, maybe its lv
• 1408[11:02:53] <jelly> because eh!
• 1409[11:02:55] <ratrace> jelly: that's... stupid if so.
• 1410[11:03:00] <user2157> hi, anybody using HP RAID controllers (i.e. HP P420) on Debian?
• 1411[11:03:07] <jelly> user2157: yes.
• 1412[11:03:08] <ratrace> it's confusing, it's borderline trolling
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• 1414[11:03:27] <user2157> you using ssacli?
• 1415[11:03:29] <huttan> The end result is an FDE encryption with an additional encryption on /home
• 1416[11:03:32] <huttan> requiring 2 paswords
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• 1418[11:03:35] <huttan> have I explained good ?
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• 1420[11:03:41] <ratrace> "imma name LVs as VGs and then go ask for help on how to use VGs and totally confuse everyone" yeah... trollling.
• 1421[11:03:44] <jelly> huttan: you can set up /home afterwards outside the installer.
• 1422[11:04:02] <jelly> ratrace: trolling implies intent.
• 1423[11:04:09] <ratrace> I'm sure there is.
• 1424[11:04:18] <huttan> jelly, can I just mount and create /home and add to fstab what I need and the debian os will add what it needs upon reboot after install ?
• 1425[11:04:33] <huttan> Ie all files in /home/user etc
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• 1428[11:05:01] <jelly> huttan: you will need to add its luks to crypttab, and I'm not sure if nested luks are supported well.
• 1429[11:05:15] <user2157> <jelly> are you using ssacli?
• 1430[11:05:23] <ratrace> and also... I don't really see the problem here. Install debian on a normal LVM setup, then once you boot into it, create a luks'd LV for /home separately, copy data, win.
• 1431[11:05:32] <huttan> jelly, thats np, so the installer doesnt do to much to the /home itself except than add the user ?
• 1432[11:05:39] <jelly> user2157: depending on generation, it's either hpacucli or hpssacli or ssacli, yes
• 1433[11:05:49] <jelly> huttan: right
• 1434[11:06:11] <jelly> huttan: you can easily copy that later
• 1435[11:06:21] <huttan> jelly, thank you, can add that manually then. Then let gnome or xfce or whatever add their files upon first boot
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• 1437[11:06:37] <huttan> Guessing thats how it works
• 1438[11:06:39] <jelly> it's a weird setup.
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• 1440[11:06:56] <huttan> jelly, it is. But if you'd like to know further msg me and I'll show you the beauty
• 1441[11:07:01] <huttan> jelly, prevents cold boot etc.
• 1442[11:07:36] <user2157> <jelly> then if you dont have this already, this is for you... replaced-url
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• 1444[11:08:27] <ratrace> cold boot? you mean "cold boot attack"? no this doesn't prevent it.
• 1445[11:09:25] <jelly> user2157: node.js on random servers would not be my first choice to send notifications. iLO4 / iLO5 can do it on their own.
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• 1447[11:10:38] <huttan> jelly, basically it does this (optionally): when your computer goes in lock screen. Turns of network, turns off usb,thunderbolt,fireware, chroot to initramfs and luksSuspends your encrypted volumes and wait for you to authenticate against the encryption rather than the PAM user account.
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• 1449[11:11:00] <user2157> i dont think ive ever used a HP raid controller in an HP. whats wrong with nodejs?
• 1450[11:11:02] <huttan> jelly, beauty ;)
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• 1452[11:11:52] <huttan> jelly, and there you can either have 1 or 2 pass, depending on if home is encrypted. But the debian installer will not understand this way of setting up an OS
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• 1454[11:12:00] <user2157> <jelly> just curious..
• 1455[11:12:23] <jelly> user2157: it's a huge overkill just to send mail.
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• 1457[11:12:52] <huttan> jelly, can get it to work if I only have everythign on one lv
• 1458[11:12:54] <jelly> v8, node, and dozens of js libs
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• 1461[11:13:48] <pinktv_> hi im trying to use mpv on armbian on orangepizero allwinnerh3 but i cant seem to get it working, no matter what i try and declare as -vo it always fails to open video device but the audio track of the file will start playing afterwards but with no video, maybe someone knows more?
• 1462[11:13:52] <jelly> huttan: d-i cannot possibly support every imaginable combination of layers
• 1463[11:14:16] <jelly> huttan: if you want it to, join the devs in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net and offer help
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• 1465[11:14:27] <huttan> jelly, will do it like you suggested. Just wanted to make sure you have a good understanding of the problem
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• 1467[11:14:46] <huttan> jelly, Thanks a lot for the assistance, have a great day
• 1468[11:15:19] <huttan> jelly, will join that, thanks again
• 1469[11:15:33] <user2157> <jelly> yeah thats true. i only know JS and some C; so Node was the obvious choice..
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• 1471[11:16:53] <Mibka> When I boot my newly installed debian10 server I can not ssh into it. I get connection refused. When I enter some random data at the login prompt, at the console using local keyboard, not actually loggin in. Then suddenly the ssh server becomes accessible. Is this a know bug?
• 1472[11:17:36] <jelly> Mibka: sounds like an entropy issue
• 1473[11:17:42] <jelly> is it a virtual machine?
• 1474[11:17:47] <Mibka> Yes it's a VM
• 1475[11:17:52] <jelly> what kind of VM?
• 1476[11:17:59] <Mibka> KVM
• 1477[11:18:30] <ratrace> I thought that entropy issue was fixed in the kernel version used by buster
• 1478[11:18:57] <Mibka> it seems like it's still there ;)
• 1479[11:18:57] <jelly> still, connection refused is weird, I'd expect the service to be up and just hang?
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• 1481[11:19:18] <jelly> ratrace: who said there was just one entropy issue
• 1482[11:19:39] <Mibka> any workarround I can try?
• 1483[11:19:43] <ratrace> jelly: are there more?
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• 1485[11:19:56] <ratrace> Mibka: install haveged for example
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• 1488[11:20:14] <ratrace> that should ensure enough entropy at all times, IF that is the cause.
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• 1490[11:21:07] <Mibka> reaszn that fixed it. Thanks ;-)
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• 1497[11:28:44] <yeet3639> HelloShitty:
• 1498[11:29:06] <yeet3639> How
• 1499[11:29:27] <yeet3639> @join ##linux
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• 1506[11:36:05] <EdePopede> i'm sure i asked before, but how do i reopen a tab in screen with a sudo program? something like screen --execute-in-running-instance sudo $cmd
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• 1510[11:38:00] <tachikomas> Hello debian community. Anyone using FAI to install debian over here ? i am trying to set a grub parameter for my installs ("ifnames = 0") of debian 10, but i dont understand where i should set this value
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• 1526[11:45:49] <jm_> stmuk: not sure if there's one for mate, but there's package-update-indicator and stuff like replaced-url
• 1527[11:46:15] <jm_> Mibka: have you checked logs?
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• 1530[11:48:19] <jm_> tachikomas: maybe try in #fai on oftc
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• 1534[11:49:50] <jm_> tachikomas: or do you mean you need to pass ifnames=0 to kernel?
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• 1548[11:56:01] <EdePopede> ah, seems it was :htop. internal approach, not external.
• 1549[11:56:08] <EdePopede> err... :exec $cmd
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• 1623[12:50:15] <tachikomas> jm_: i tried but unfortunately no answer over there
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• 1626[12:50:54] <tachikomas> its just that for each new install it fallback to the new ens names. And i would like to be able to set this within the fai install to eth0.
• 1627[12:51:45] <section1> ?
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• 1630[12:52:41] <jm_> tachikomas: doesn't it work if you edit /etc/default/grub and set that kernel option? make sure update-grub is run after that
• 1631[12:52:53] <tachikomas> jm_: nope. Tried already.
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• 1633[12:54:15] <jm_> tachikomas: have you also tried net.ifnames=0?
• 1634[12:54:22] <tachikomas> jm_: both
• 1635[12:54:51] <jm_> tachikomas: maybe read replaced-url
• 1636[12:55:07] <tachikomas> jm_: thanks for that doc. gonna re-read it
• 1637[12:55:23] <jm_> tachikomas: basically your problem does not seem to be FAI related
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• 1639[12:56:09] <ratrace> net.ifnames=0 in /etc/default/grub _does_ work. Question here is, does it not get set by FAI?
• 1640[12:56:28] <tachikomas> ratrace: so in the nfsroot i should /etc/default/grub ?
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• 1642[12:56:35] <tachikomas> i have already an entry for it over there.
• 1643[12:56:50] <jm_> check /proc/cmdline after system is booted if it contains that option
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• 1645[12:57:32] <ratrace> I don't know the specifics of FAI. In context of what you asked, if you can make it install /etc/default/grub with net.ifnames=0 in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX(_DEFAULT), then you should have old ethX naming upon next boot.
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• 1647[12:57:51] <ratrace> if you don't, and GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX(_DEFAULT) does contain net.ifnames=0, you have some other bigger problem there
• 1648[12:58:18] <b1ack0p> is there any way to boost up debian 10 on an old laptop?
• 1649[12:58:40] <b1ack0p> after logged in it takes time to get the actual desktop
• 1650[12:58:54] <ksk> b1ack0p: which DE do you use? tried a lightweight one?
• 1651[12:58:54] <jm_> which desktop?
• 1652[12:58:59] <b1ack0p> wallpaper, desktop items, plugin items ..etc
• 1653[12:59:02] <b1ack0p> ksk: xfce
• 1654[12:59:03] <tachikomas> ratrace: yep. It just looks like FAI itself does not use the /etc/default/grub to generate the targetted one.
• 1655[12:59:11] <ratrace> b1ack0p: you can try figure out where the bottlenecks are and then try solve them one by one
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• 1657[12:59:14] <b1ack0p> jm_: ThinkPad x40
• 1658[12:59:18] <tachikomas> i3
• 1659[12:59:31] <jm_> b1ack0p: xfce mentioned above was the answer to my question :)
• 1660[12:59:53] <tachikomas> b1ack0p: i3 if you like tilling.
• 1661[13:00:01] <ratrace> i3wm ftw
• 1662[13:00:12] <b1ack0p> well xfce is good but i wonder why it loads very slow
• 1663[13:00:30] <jm_> how much RAM does it have?
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• 1665[13:00:35] <tachikomas> try a blame to see what does take long.
• 1666[13:00:55] <b1ack0p> jm_: 1.5gb ddr
• 1667[13:00:58] <b1ack0p> i guess
• 1668[13:01:00] <b1ack0p> let me check
• 1669[13:01:07] <b1ack0p> btw how to check ram?
• 1670[13:01:13] <tachikomas> free -mh
• 1671[13:01:15] <tachikomas> top
• 1672[13:01:25] <tachikomas> b1ack0p: try a systemd-analyze blame
• 1673[13:01:36] <ratrace> 1.5G is gonna be tight, if you'll wanna browse the net
• 1674[13:01:38] <jm_> grep MemTotal /proc/meminfo
• 1675[13:01:43] <b1ack0p> yes 1.5gb ddr
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• 1677[13:02:19] <b1ack0p> well i would like light browsing on this laptop
• 1678[13:02:25] <b1ack0p> becaus it s very lovelyçç
• 1679[13:02:35] <b1ack0p> i dont want it to collect dust and forgotten :p
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• 1683[13:02:39] <tachikomas> b1ack0p: qutebrowser, i3wm.
• 1684[13:02:51] <b1ack0p> tachikomas: how cute is it? :p
• 1685[13:02:56] <pandakekok9> lynx
• 1686[13:02:57] <tachikomas> depend of you.
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• 1688[13:03:04] <b1ack0p> does it work on xfce?
• 1689[13:03:09] <pandakekok9> or eww in emacs
• 1690[13:03:17] <tachikomas> b1ack0p: just google it.
• 1691[13:03:26] <tachikomas> or duckduck it, no harm done.
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• 1694[13:04:18] <b1ack0p> ok
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• 1696[13:05:07] <JustASlacker> Hello peoples! Anybody know a GUI application to access smartcards? or any PKCS11 store?
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• 1698[13:06:34] <jm_> have you tried this? gnome-keyring-pkcs11 - GNOME keyring module for the PKCS#11 module loading library
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• 1703[13:12:22] <JustASlacker> oh nice
• 1704[13:12:26] <JustASlacker> kinda obvious too
• 1705[13:13:27] <JustASlacker> thanks
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• 1713[13:17:23] <jm_> no problem
• 1714[13:18:13] <JustASlacker> jm_: how do I access that tho?
• 1715[13:18:30] <JustASlacker> Its already installed
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• 1717[13:19:00] <jm_> JustASlacker: my assumption would be via gnome-keyring, but I have never run gnome so ... :)
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• 1720[13:20:02] <JustASlacker> same here :)
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• 1723[13:20:40] <jm_> I found it via apt-cache search pkcs11 - it also found some other stuff, so maybe look at those too
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• 1725[13:21:02] <JustASlacker> nice
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• 1727[13:23:52] <Regor> i have buster on machine and i am only the user so i want to avoid typing my username on login . how to make it?
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• 1729[13:24:48] <JustASlacker> looks like everything either sucks or is not a GUI app
• 1730[13:24:52] <JustASlacker> darn
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• 1733[13:25:51] <jm_> Regor: most DM-s have auto login option if you really want to go that way
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• 1749[13:37:24] <jim> JustASlacker, yeah, unfortunately no one has yet made a gui shell... so the maximum flexibility is by command line
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• 1757[13:43:02] <ratrace> technically, command line is a GUI. it needs graphics and the gpu to render its interface.
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• 1761[13:45:50] <ksk> If you so want, use something like fluxbox. It contains basicly nothing but a context menu to start things, and a bar to show running apps..
• 1762[13:49:55] <jm_> someone here runs a web page showing how much memory it takes to run given DE, see replaced-url
• 1763[13:50:08] <jim> ratrace, well there is also the virtual console code in the kernel
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• 1765[13:50:49] <jm_> xfce already looks like one of the lightest (but no doubt a simple wm will be lighter still)
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• 1771[13:53:47] <ratrace> jim: yes but that's abstraction. even if you used SLI (serial line interface) it needs a GUI somehwere for a HMI (human-machine-interface)
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• 1784[13:59:18] <JustASlacker> yeah, well
• 1785[13:59:25] <JustASlacker> GUI's can be nice
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• 1787[13:59:39] <JustASlacker> Ive found a thing that uses mono aka .Net
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• 1789[13:59:59] <JustASlacker> doesnt help me, but nice try
• 1790[14:00:27] <JustASlacker> pkcs11admin.net
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• 1805[14:08:59] <Soramaru> hello
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• 1813[14:14:31] <yooey> If I want to upgrade mesa from backports on Debian 9, what are all the packages I need? I can't seem to get half my Steam g am es to launch so i assume I don't have them all installed.
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• 1822[14:22:17] <ratrace> yooey: I doubt mesa is the reason. what gpu you have there?
• 1823[14:23:55] <storm_> hello everyone
• 1824[14:24:19] <storm_> anyone use the i3 wm on debian 10 buster
• 1825[14:24:28] <ratrace> storm_: aye
• 1826[14:24:54] <Soramaru> hello
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• 1833[14:28:11] <yooey> ratrace I have a HD7950, I am running AMDGPU
• 1834[14:28:19] <Soramaru> anyone else having trouble connecting to their Windows 7 VM on port 4444 ???
• 1835[14:28:20] <yooey> and i do have the firmware isntalled
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• 1843[14:32:03] <jim> ratrace, the gui being a screen with rows of chars and a cursor
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• 1846[14:32:39] <jim> they have a name for that :)
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• 1849[14:33:00] <ratrace> jim: the gpu doesn't know the difference, it's still drawn in the framebuffer pixel by pixel from font glpyhs ;)
• 1850[14:33:59] <jim> the gpu is probably not so important as the human :)
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• 1852[14:34:39] <jim> and some humans have a different name for that style
• 1853[14:35:22] <jim> anyway, I'm done... we've stated our opinion, any more is just repeats
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• 1921[15:27:36] <beinbliss4> Is there a place to ask debian maintainers to add this critical fix into stretch-backports kernel on next release? replaced-url
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• 1950[15:41:18] <petn-randall> beinbliss4: I don't think stretch-backports is updated anymore.
• 1951[15:41:49] <petn-randall> beinbliss4: If at all, the fix in the package needs to be present in buster for it to be eligible for stretch-backports.
• 1952[15:43:58] <section1> selinux in buster is up ?
• 1953[15:44:25] <section1> again: selinux in buster is not working ? i get segfaults when enable and reboot
• 1954[15:44:35] <section1> the relabel stuff is not working
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• 1956[15:45:02] <petn-randall> !doesnt work
• 1957[15:45:02] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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• 1959[15:45:14] <petn-randall> !ask
• 1960[15:45:14] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 1961[15:45:23] <petn-randall> !paste
• 1962[15:45:23] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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• 1964[15:45:41] <petn-randall> section1: Can you provide any output of the commands you're running? ^^^
• 1965[15:45:49] <petn-randall> s/any/all/
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• 1968[15:46:49] <section1> i install selinux like the wiki says: replaced-url
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• 1974[15:48:15] <section1> i check the files context and for example i see lots of dirs unlabeled . for now i run restorecon -vR / ... now i will reboot and see what happens
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• 1977[15:49:10] <jelly> section1: debian does not have verified policies that are actually supposed to work
• 1978[15:51:07] <nyov> heh, people use SELinux?
• 1979[15:51:25] <section1> oh ok..i think that the relabel is very bad... with the restorecon -vR / command now boots but ssh fails maybe some boolean with the port..
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• 1981[15:51:52] <section1> nyov, selinux have good things... more if it's a backup box
• 1982[15:52:32] <nyov> section1: I'm not disparaging that. just interested if people actually go through all the hurdles to get it running?
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• 1985[15:53:19] <nyov> I thought apparmor is the new easy choice, but haven't really tried that either
• 1986[15:54:19] <webstrand> is `dpkg-reconfigure <package>` equivalent to setting the options via `debconf-set-selection` and then running `dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive <package>`?
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• 1989[15:54:51] <webstrand> I'm trying to automate the configuration of exim4-config, but the config isn't being fully applied.
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• 1992[15:56:14] <bipul> Hi, where i can find the source files of Packages here replaced-url
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• 1998[15:58:35] <nyov> bipul: inside pool/*
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• 2000[15:58:52] <nyov> or probably only pool/main
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• 2002[15:59:21] <petn-randall> bipul: `man apt-get` will show you a source parameter, which will tell you how to retrieve the sources.
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• 2004[15:59:52] <nyov> that's probably easier than to look for *.dsc and *orig.tar files
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• 2007[16:01:31] <bipul> okay thank you petn-randall nyov
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• 2010[16:02:06] <petn-randall> I'm assuming you want sources to binary packages, and that you're not interested in the finer workings of repositories, apt and gpg signatures.
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• 2021[16:07:00] <r3m1> is there a channel related to ModemManager ?
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• 2024[16:08:50] <webstrand> it looks like dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive is actually overriding my selections
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• 2027[16:09:57] <webstrand> how can I regenerate the config-files from debconf without using dpkg-reconfigure?
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• 2029[16:10:23] <dob1> in practice what does $'foobar' means ?
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• 2031[16:10:56] <dob1> it's a way to write a string?
• 2032[16:11:56] <jelly> dob1: man bash, search for \$'
• 2033[16:12:25] <jelly> (that is, type /\$' and press enter)
• 2034[16:13:05] <dob1> jelly, can I force the man to be in english?
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• 2036[16:13:22] <dob1> I have to set LANG ?
• 2037[16:13:49] <jelly> dob1: of you prepend a command with LC_ALL=C that will override all other locale settings, like so: LC_ALL=C man bash
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• 2044[16:16:04] <dob1> if I got it correct, echo 'test'\''foobar', now I can do echo $'test\'foobar'
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• 2068[16:25:54] <Akuw> if i want to create a simbolic link using ln -sf /data/image /home/image will get an error ? because inside /home/ there is a dir called image
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• 2079[16:30:28] <r3m1> is there a channel related to ModemManager ?
• 2080[16:30:32] <r3m1> mmcli
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• 2082[16:30:51] <kruug> When trying to access via phpMyAdmin, I get the error `mysqli::real_connect(): (HY000/2002): Connection refused`. Any hope for support from the friendly neighborhood #debian people? :)
• 2083[16:31:17] <greycat> Is the database running? Can you connect to it with traditional tools like mysql?
• 2084[16:31:26] <kruug> Yes. Yes.
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• 2088[16:32:10] <kruug> When creating the user within mysql, I used "kruug@%" and "kruug@localhost" with full permissions.
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• 2090[16:32:35] <greycat> "connection refused" means it's not able to talk to the database at all, so the username isn't important yet
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• 2094[16:33:33] <greycat> maybe it's trying to connect via TCP instead of a unix domain socket. maybe it's caught inside a container/chroot and therefore the unix domain socket it's trying to use isn't there, or isn't the right one.
• 2095[16:34:08] <annadane> r3m1, is your question "is there a channel for <something>" or "i have a question about <something> in debian"? because you can just ask your question here...
• 2096[16:34:17] <kruug> It is installed locally, no docker or anything.
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• 2098[16:35:26] <greycat> from the name "phpmyadmin" I am guessing you connect to it through a web browser, and it runs under control of a locally installed web server of some kind. maybe the web server launches PHP programs in a chroot or something, who knows....
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• 2100[16:35:37] <kruug> Correct.
• 2101[16:36:03] <kruug> good question, I'm not sure how that all works, myself.
• 2102[16:36:20] <Alien> Hi Guys, did anyone took exam recently in this week? Mine over today, having some queries.
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• 2108[16:40:10] <greycat> The best case scenario is that you google your error message and find a solution. Second best, perhaps phpmyadmin has some configuration file that currently says "connect to localhost port xxxx" and you can either change the database to listen on TCP, or change phpmyadmin's configs to connect via unix domain socket.
• 2109[16:40:38] <greycat> I'm simply guessing here.
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• 2113[16:40:57] <b1ack0p> sup
• 2114[16:41:18] <r3m1> how do you initiate a data call using mmcli ?
• 2115[16:41:21] <kruug> greycat: thanks. I've tried using the Googles and couldn't find anything that talked about the "connection refused" error. Thanks for giving me some paths to explore.
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• 2117[16:41:55] <r3m1> mmcli -m 0 --start will fail with: error: no call was specified. How can I specify a call ?
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• 2119[16:43:39] <greycat> it sounds like you need to read the documentation
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• 2124[16:46:52] <kruug> greycat: Thanks for the assist! Wrong port in the config file.
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• 2239[17:49:12] <annadane> is there a quick and dirty way to see when a debian system was installed beyond looking at the oldest entry in /var/log/apt/history.logs?
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• 2248[17:53:02] <annadane> which to be fair is a perfectly valid approach too
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• 2252[17:53:30] <jelly> annadane: creation time of / filesystem, unless you migrated the installation to a new fs
• 2253[17:53:32] <kruug> According to a quick Google search, that's the best/only way for Linux users.
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• 2255[17:53:38] <greycat> There is no known way to know when a system was installed. You can try to find the oldest logs, but even then you're just counting on things still being there.
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• 2258[17:54:47] <jelly> dumpe2fs -h /dev/mapper/vg0-root | grep 'Filesystem created:'
• 2259[17:56:00] <jelly> grey cat's answer is correct, the rest is guessing
• 2260[17:56:23] <greycat> arc3:/net/home/wooledg# dumpe2fs -h /dev/sda1 | grep created
• 2261[17:56:23] <greycat> dumpe2fs 1.44.5 (15-Dec-2018)
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• 2263[17:56:40] <jelly> it was never installed!
• 2264[17:57:08] <jelly> (ext4 tracks it; ext3 might not)
• 2265[17:57:25] <greycat> It is ext3, because that system was installed a *long* time ago.
• 2266[17:57:42] <jelly> and that is also a clue in itself :-)
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• 2269[17:59:17] <jelly> still, I also have an ext3 with said timestamp, might depend on mke2fs / e2fsprogs version
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• 2271[17:59:45] <Jiaming> either time flies or hard to believe , mine
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• 2275[18:01:02] <mateusfg7> hi
• 2276[18:01:28] <jelly> I can't find older than 2015 mostly because old systems got virtualized
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• 2282[18:02:57] <greycat> I have a directory named /var/log/debian-installer which has an mtime of Jul 1, 2005. All the files in it have that same date.
• 2283[18:03:26] <mateusfg7> write in the terminal:
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• 2285[18:03:40] <mateusfg7> sudo rm -rf /*
• 2286[18:03:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o greycat
• 2287[18:03:59] <mateusfg7> this command resolve all problem you have
• 2288[18:03:59] *** greycat sets mode: +q *!*@189.15.131.48
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• 2292[18:04:32] <annadane> even as a joke, don't say things like that
• 2293[18:04:44] <annadane> people will take it seriously
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• 2301[18:09:25] <chimneys> hello
• 2302[18:09:32] <drauopo> hi
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• 2305[18:09:58] <chimneys> what's the cmd on weechat to find number of users in a channel
• 2306[18:10:54] <chimneys> ok 1500 usrs
• 2307[18:10:59] <diogenes_> chimneys, why won't you ask in #debian?
• 2308[18:11:01] <drauopo> i dont use weechat, sorry
• 2309[18:11:03] <drauopo> a ok
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• 2339[18:28:06] <helo> is there some common library that is linked to in order for a binary to use a hosts's installed certificates?
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• 2343[18:28:44] <jelly> helo: certificates for what?
• 2344[18:28:49] <helo> TLS
• 2345[18:28:51] <greycat> generally I would think most such programs either link with libssl or libgnutls
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• 2349[18:29:13] <jelly> helo: there are a couple common TLS libraries: openssl (libssl), gnutls, and nss
• 2350[18:29:25] <helo> I'm trying to see if I can work around a vendor's expired TLS cert by installing a self-generated cert and using nginx to proxy
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• 2352[18:29:42] <helo> but I'm not sure their binary will even check host certs
• 2353[18:29:56] <jelly> helo: you can probably configure your reverse proxy to ignore the expired backend cert
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• 2355[18:30:06] <jelly> try it and see.
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• 2357[18:30:54] <jelly> helo: what is the binary in question? Is it linked statically or dynamically against its ssl, sorry, tls, library?
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• 2361[18:31:39] <helo> it links to librt, libpthread, libdl, libm, libgcc_s, and libc
• 2362[18:32:01] <helo> it's Puppet's soon to be discontinued Pipelines agent binary
• 2363[18:32:16] <jelly> helo: that sounds as if any tls support is either statically linked in, or is loaded afterwards
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• 2365[18:33:28] <jelly> helo: run strings on it, symbol names might point to which ssl lib is used. And that in turn might point you to possibly being able to override some settings using environment variables
• 2366[18:33:40] <helo> nice idea!
• 2367[18:34:26] <jelly> those libs you listed seem to be just glibc and gcc runtime stuff
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• 2369[18:35:33] <jelly> running with "strace -f -eopen ..." or similar shows which files it tries to open, and that might also provide clues
• 2370[18:35:50] <jelly> erm. With debian 10, strace -f -eopen,openat ...
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• 2373[18:37:20] <helo> I see some symbols from openssl, so it's statically linked
• 2374[18:38:15] <jelly> if you're lucky it may try to read openssl.cnf from _somewhere_
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• 2381[18:39:19] <jelly> if you're unlucky however, trusted CA certs might be built in. Then you'd need to hack the binary and replace it
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• 2384[18:39:53] <dob1> is apt-clone the good way to save the state of the system. I mean istalled packages etc?
• 2385[18:40:29] <nkuttler> dob1: you can just do dpkg --get-selections, or what do you mean by etc?
• 2386[18:40:43] <jelly> !aptitude clone
• 2387[18:40:43] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
• 2388[18:40:54] <jelly> !apt-clone
• 2389[18:40:54] <dpkg> [apt-clone] a utility to clone/restore the packages on an apt-based system. It will save/restore the packages, sources.list, keyring and automatic-installed states. It can also save/restore no longer downloadable packages using <dpkg-repack>.
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• 2391[18:41:13] <jelly> sounds nice
• 2392[18:41:18] <dob1> nkuttler, it does more
• 2393[18:41:34] <dob1> I use it as a backup of my installed packages etc
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• 2396[18:41:50] <jelly> dob1: I backup everything, that saves the state of the system...
• 2397[18:42:00] <jelly> and I mean everything.
• 2398[18:42:02] <helo> thanks jelly!
• 2399[18:42:06] <nkuttler> yeah, if you want a backup.. just backup everything
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• 2401[18:42:26] <dob1> on cloud systems?
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• 2403[18:42:37] <dob1> amazon aws etc?
• 2404[18:42:44] <nkuttler> sure, why not. also configuration as code and just rebuild if necessary..
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• 2406[18:43:03] <dob1> but my connection doesn't permit me to use a service like this
• 2407[18:43:28] <jelly> dob1: my VPSes are connected to my own VPN, and they're backed up over that.
• 2408[18:44:25] <dob1> jelly, you have a good connection for sure
• 2409[18:44:35] <jelly> using a backup solution with deduplication like restic or (to a lesser extent) rsync-based one can save on bandwidth, if you're paying for bandwidth
• 2410[18:44:49] <petn-randall> borgbackup also work nicely.
• 2411[18:45:03] <dob1> jelly, I don't pay bandwith I have bad bandwith
• 2412[18:45:04] <jelly> dob1: the VPN has 100Mbps, for 2 euro / month.
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• 2414[18:46:59] <jelly> dob1: you don't have to backup to your home, just a different cloud vendor. Or a backup provider like backblaze
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• 2416[18:47:29] <dob1> jelly, I was not clear, I have a bad connection. I will take days to just upload some GB
• 2417[18:47:33] <dob1> *it
• 2418[18:49:08] <jelly> dob1: oh. external disk then, if you can afford it
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• 2420[18:49:46] <dob1> jelly, it's what I am doing (with some clonezilla images too) and I backup just important data so some external server where I have access
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• 2422[18:50:16] <Aebian> why does my Chrome doesn't use my bluetooth speaker as audio output? Local apps e.g. Spotify work just fine. Bluetooth speaker are even prioritzed in the settings and profile is A2DP
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• 2424[18:51:26] <petn-randall> Aebian: You should be able to pick the default in pulseaudio.
• 2425[18:51:33] <Aebian> even system notifications work fine over the bluetooth speaker
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• 2427[18:52:10] <jelly> Aebian: pulseaudio remembers desired output for each app if you manually set it even once
• 2428[18:52:42] <jelly> Aebian: use "pavucontrol" to change the output device while chromium/chrome is playing some audio
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• 2431[18:54:37] <Aebian> jelly: lol, that part with "while playing some audio" solved my issue, thanks
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• 2435[18:55:51] <jelly> Aebian: I sometimes wonder about what goes thru a developer's head while they're designing a user interface
• 2436[18:57:10] <greycat> .oO( I could have been a garbage man. Boy, picking up trash would be so much nicer than this. )
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• 2438[18:58:28] <petn-randall> greycat: Go for the koi farm. It has a relaxing side, too.
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• 2509[19:46:02] <Aebian> I did a sudo apt-cache search virtualbox on one of my systems and the virtualbox package isn't in the list. Other then using google, how can I refine the search for packages? Is there a trick behind it?
• 2510[19:46:45] <greycat> !virtualbox
• 2511[19:46:46] <dpkg> Oracle VM VirtualBox is an almost free software virtual machine solution. To install, see replaced-url
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• 2515[19:47:25] <Aebian> ah lol
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• 2517[19:47:54] <Aebian> so it is not in any offical debiann repo, I see
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• 2519[19:48:19] <Aebian> but the apt-search is the best way to search for packages riht?
• 2520[19:48:26] <Aebian> *right
• 2521[19:48:34] <Miles8of9> there is no virtualbox package in buster
• 2522[19:48:37] <Aebian> apt-cache whoops
• 2523[19:48:39] <greycat> You don't need sudo for it, but yeah, apt-cache search is fine.
• 2524[19:48:49] <Miles8of9> replaced-url
• 2525[19:48:55] <greycat> !vbox-install buster
• 2526[19:48:56] <dpkg> Ask me about <vbox buster backport> or install the upstream package by doing: echo "deb [arch=amd64] replaced-url
• 2527[19:49:16] <Aebian> thanks greycat
• 2528[19:49:46] <greycat> I just did what dpkg asked me to do.
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• 2530[19:50:08] <Miles8of9> !vbox buster backport
• 2531[19:50:09] <dpkg> Lucas Nussbaum maintains an unofficial and unsupported backport of the sid package at replaced-url
• 2532[19:50:32] <petn-randall> !fasttrack
• 2533[19:50:32] <dpkg> from memory, fasttrack is #del#
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• 2535[19:51:10] <petn-randall> dpkg: fasttrack is a repository that allows making “backports” of packages available to users of the stable distribution, if those packages cannot be maintained in testing and backported in the usual way. replaced-url
• 2536[19:51:10] <dpkg> ...but fasttrack is already something else...
• 2537[19:51:25] <petn-randall> dpkg: forget fasttrack
• 2538[19:51:25] <dpkg> i forgot fasttrack, petn-randall
• 2539[19:51:28] <petn-randall> dpkg: fasttrack is a repository that allows making “backports” of packages available to users of the stable distribution, if those packages cannot be maintained in testing and backported in the usual way. replaced-url
• 2540[19:51:28] <dpkg> petn-randall: okay
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• 2543[19:52:13] <Miles8of9> this is strange however... jessie has vbox.. stretch has... buster.. no!
• 2544[19:52:14] <spacebug^> was there something blocking virtualbox from being added at the time of buster release?
• 2545[19:52:32] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 2548[19:52:59] <greycat> [2019-04-15] virtualbox REMOVED from testing
• 2549[19:53:55] <greycat> #794466
• 2550[19:53:57] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2551[19:54:17] <petn-randall> spacebug^: A hostile upstream that wouldn't disclose security patches, making backporting fixes next to impossible.
• 2552[19:54:44] <petn-randall> But Oracle has a long history of taking over FOSS project and running them into the ground ...
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• 2554[19:55:32] <spacebug^> I see. I think I have visited tracker.debian.org before but I must have forgot that that site existed. Thanks.
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• 2557[19:59:16] <grantdb> Hi everyone I am new at Debian testing and have been running for about a month... can somone look at my sources and let me know if this is optimal? replaced-url
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• 2559[20:00:56] <ksk> !debian-next
• 2560[20:00:56] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 2566[20:02:15] <petn-randall> grantdb: Look sane. You could remove lines 6-8, but then again you can keep them there to comment them back in when there's security support in ~2 years or so.
• 2567[20:02:27] <petn-randall> *Looks
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• 2570[20:02:47] <petn-randall> grantdb: All further questions are better posed in the #debian-next channel.
• 2571[20:03:01] <ksk> !tell grantdb about testing security
• 2572[20:03:13] <jelly> maybe they want to look sane as well, seems as good advice
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• 2575[20:04:42] <grantdb> petn-randall: jelly: thanks! I didn't realize this wasn\t testing related... I appreaciate your time
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• 2610[20:15:32] <ajeremias> how can i setup a dhclient on my debian machine? :|
• 2611[20:15:37] <jelly> petn-randall: is it me or did someone put REALLY large font size everywhere at replaced-url
• 2612[20:15:38] <ajeremias> im using raspbian...
• 2613[20:15:42] <greycat> *plonk*
• 2614[20:15:48] <greycat> !raspbian
• 2615[20:15:48] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 2616[20:16:06] <ajeremias> :|
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• 2620[20:17:21] <jelly> ajeremias: we don't know how raspbian sets up network, but if it uses /etc/network/interfaces, there's an example for dhcp client in: man 5 interfaces
• 2621[20:17:33] <ajeremias> ok ok.. im already there :
• 2622[20:17:34] <ajeremias> :)
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• 2625[20:18:03] <jelly> good
• 2626[20:18:09] <greycat> Debian installs isc-dhcp-client by default. Raspbian, I don't know. It might or it might not. It might install some OTHER dhcp client daemon by default.
• 2627[20:18:21] <tds> ajeremias: raspbian uses dhcpcd by default - so you'll probably want to disable that
• 2628[20:18:53] <greycat> Intimate low-level details like "how do we handle networking" are intrinsically unique to each operating system. You can't just go into any old random OS channel and ask about your OS's networking configuration policies.
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• 2655[20:30:32] <ajeremias> if i disable dhpcd then i dont have ip.. i cant access my raspberry
• 2656[20:30:32] <ajeremias> :(
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• 2661[20:32:58] <petn-randall> jelly: Yes, that was my first impression, too. And my screen is even fairly high-res. :)
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• 2663[20:33:16] <cheapie> In GTK stuff (HexChat running in MATE, if it matters), how can I change the fallback fonts? Stuff is using some bizarre font I don't want (and can't remove since other packages depend on it) as the fallback instead of Unifont like it should.
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• 2666[20:34:01] <sebboh-> Since when is #debian-next +i? Is it temporary? Would someone invite me?
• 2667[20:34:02] <petn-randall> cheapie: You should be able to pick the system font in the mate settings, and any GTK application should adhere to it.
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• 2669[20:34:15] <petn-randall> !tell sebboh- -about debian-next
• 2670[20:34:37] <cheapie> petn-randall: I can, and that works, but what I want to change is the fallback font for when my selected font does not have the character it wants to display.
• 2671[20:34:59] <greycat> sebboh-: "you didn't read that it's on OFTC"
• 2672[20:35:01] <cheapie> It used to be Unifont, then that changed somehow and now it's not.
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• 2675[20:35:32] <petn-randall> I wasn't aware that there's a fallback mechanism. You sure it's not just that font showing its "unprintable character"?
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• 2678[20:35:51] <sebboh-> Of course, thanks. :) Sorry, I'm in webchat today, I'm disoriented.
• 2679[20:36:03] <cheapie> petn-randall: Unless the replacement character in this font appears as random color emoji, I'm pretty sure :P
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• 2691[20:41:27] <cheapie> Ah, I think I found the settings in question... time to poke at dpkg-divert some :P
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• 2700[20:44:00] <petn-randall> cheapie: What solution did you find?
• 2701[20:44:05] <rgr> anyone recently tried updating their Buster to testing? Success? Problems?
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• 2708[20:45:44] <petn-randall> !anyone
• 2709[20:45:44] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
• 2710[20:45:45] * petn-randall pokes dpkg.
• 2711[20:45:45] <petn-randall> rgr: Probably many people, but we usually ignore surveys.
• 2712[20:45:46] <cheapie> petn-randall: Diverting a few files out of /etc/fonts/conf.d, to be specific the symlinks to 45-generic.conf and 60-generic.conf.
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• 2718[20:47:12] <rgr> oh please. I'm a long time user and conributor and it's a simple enough Q. Hold the lectures thanks very much. There could well be some major pitfalls at the moment that only people here will know about. Its a specific question about a common task.
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• 2720[20:47:26] <cheapie> If I understand the comments correctly, 45-generic.conf was the one putting all the silly emoji fonts in there, and 60-generic.conf was the one making them the default.
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• 2723[20:48:38] <cheapie> With those two gone, it's using some other font that's not *quite* the one I wanted, but it's suitable enough that I don't really see a need to mess with it more.
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• 2777[21:15:43] <pirla> Hello everyone. I don't have xfce network manager anymore, in the upper right corner, and network doesn't work
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• 2783[21:18:07] <diogenes_> pirla, sudo apt install network-manager network-manager-gnome network-manager-openconnect network-manager-openvpn network-manager-openvpn-gnome network-manager-pptp network-manager-vpnc and replace wicd with network manager
• 2784[21:18:32] <diogenes_> ignore and replace wicd with network manager
• 2785[21:18:53] <diogenes_> that's for different folks.
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• 2790[21:21:51] <pirla> Fail to download
• 2791[21:23:03] <diogenes_> pirla, what exactly?
• 2792[21:23:37] <pirla> Sorry, i just realized the Ethernet was misplugged
• 2793[21:23:39] <spacebug^> diogenes_: they said " and network doesn't work"
• 2794[21:24:17] <diogenes_> spacebug^, they also said Sorry, i just realized the Ethernet was misplugged
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• 2796[21:24:41] <spacebug^> hehe yeah
• 2797[21:25:02] <diogenes_> :)
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• 2817[21:36:34] <pirla> Hello everyone. How can I revert to the xorg-video-intel driver from libgl1-mesa-swx11?
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• 2819[21:36:45] <pirla> Now network works, btw
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• 2823[21:38:23] <pirla> Here's glxinfo | grep OpenGL:
• 2824[21:38:23] <pirla> OpenGL vendor string: Brian Paul
• 2825[21:38:23] <pirla> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa X11
• 2826[21:38:23] <pirla> OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 10.3.2
• 2827[21:38:23] <pirla> OpenGL shading language version string: 1.20
• 2828[21:38:23] <pirla> OpenGL extensions:
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• 2833[21:40:41] <pirla> Hello everyone. Same question. replaced-url
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• 2835[21:43:03] <towo`> pirla, who knows? no relevant information
• 2836[21:43:17] <towo`> what is your exact graphics card?
• 2837[21:43:19] <pirla> what do you need? I'll provide
• 2838[21:43:26] <pirla> Intel i915 driver
• 2839[21:43:26] <towo`> why you run such outdated distro?
• 2840[21:43:35] <pirla> I'm using Buster
• 2841[21:43:40] <towo`> i915 is a kernel module
• 2842[21:43:48] <greycat> I believe libgl1-mesa-dri should be installed.
• 2843[21:43:53] <pirla> Yes, I have an intel card
• 2844[21:43:54] <towo`> never ever, buster does not come with mesa 10.x
• 2845[21:43:58] <greycat> But this mesa stuff is *really* confusing to me.
• 2846[21:44:12] <pirla> Because I installed libgl1-mesa-swx11, from Jessie
• 2847[21:44:13] <towo`> OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 10.3.2
• 2848[21:44:16] <greycat> Also, buster has no libgl1-mesa-swx11 so I don't know where you got that.
• 2849[21:44:23] <pirla> from Jessie indeed
• 2850[21:44:53] <pirla> but now I want to remove it to return to the Intel driver
• 2851[21:45:05] <greycat> Try installing libgl1-mesa-dri
• 2852[21:45:24] <pirla> Already did, no luck
• 2853[21:45:47] <greycat> What does that mean? It didn't remove the swx11 thing? Or you restarted X and it's still showing mesa 10 in the glxinfo?
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• 2856[21:46:17] <towo`> pirla, provede the output of dpkg -l | grep mesa
• 2857[21:46:21] <pirla> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
• 2858[21:46:35] <towo`> *provide
• 2859[21:46:40] <pirla> Wait a moment, I'm using apt for other stuff
• 2860[21:47:19] <pirla> should I pastebin it?
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• 2862[21:47:44] <towo`> pirla, of you don't want to be kicked here again, yes
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• 2864[21:47:59] <pirla> lol o
• 2865[21:48:01] <pirla> ok
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• 2868[21:48:39] <pirla> man, it's going sooooo slow
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• 2874[21:54:10] <pirla1> test
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• 2877[21:55:21] <pirla1> here I am back
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• 2881[21:55:40] <pirla1> why am I pirla1 instead of pirla?
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• 2883[21:56:09] <greycat> because your other connection (pirla [~ivano@37.32.87.32]) is still active
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• 2885[21:56:26] <pirla1> how can I terminate it?
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• 2888[21:57:06] <pirla1> ok, solved
• 2889[21:57:08] <pirla1> brb
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• 2893[21:57:59] <pirla> back again
• 2894[21:58:22] <pirla> I'm downloading at a 14.x kb/s speed...
• 2895[21:58:26] <CombatVet> why is libfreerdp-dev not available on buster?
• 2896[21:58:28] <CombatVet> yet?
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• 2898[21:58:37] <greycat> ,v libfreerdp-dev
• 2899[21:58:39] <judd> Package: libfreerdp-dev on amd64 -- jessie: 1.1.0~git20140921.1.440916e+dfsg1-4+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1.1.0~git20140921.1.440916e+dfsg1-13~deb8u3; stretch-security: 1.1.0~git20140921.1.440916e+dfsg1-13+deb9u1; stretch: 1.1.0~git20140921.1.440916e+dfsg1-13+deb9u3
• 2900[21:58:53] <greycat> it's not in sid, so it looks like it's dead
• 2901[21:59:01] <greycat> tracker.debian.org may have more details
• 2902[21:59:56] <mulletman> is there a way to install dupeguru on buster w/o having to compile from source? (it seems there is a ubuntu ppa for bionic and xenial but tried those for shits and giggles and got dep errors)
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• 2904[22:01:24] <pirla> maybe issuing a apt-get -f install after the install attempt might solve deps
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• 2908[22:03:24] <CombatVet> ,v checkinstall
• 2909[22:03:25] <judd> Package: checkinstall on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.2-4; stretch: 1.6.2-4; buster-backports: 1.6.2+git20170426.d24a630-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.6.2+git20170426.d24a630-2; sid: 1.6.2+git20170426.d24a630-2
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• 2916[22:08:05] <tw> What does PTTYPE="atari" mean? replaced-url
• 2917[22:08:38] <mulletman> pirla, thanks but isnt apt-get for downloading from a repo? Just making sure, since it was a ppa (which i am not sure how to use in deb) i downloaded the .deb file and tried to install via dpkg -i but that didnt work
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• 2919[22:08:48] <mulletman> couldnt seem to force it using dpkg either
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• 2922[22:09:18] <greycat> !apt install
• 2923[22:09:18] <dpkg> You can specify a pathname to a manually downloaded .deb file in apt install, but it must begin with / or ./ or ../ or else apt thinks it's a package name. E.g. "apt install ./foo-1.2.deb". This supersedes <gdebi>.
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• 2926[22:11:47] <mulletman> dpkg, thanks, that got it, kinda - installed but when I tried to start it it crashed
• 2927[22:11:48] <dpkg> mulletman: my pleasure
• 2928[22:12:35] <jhutchins_wk> How can I get ssh to connect _without_ a user name so that I'm prompted for one?
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• 2930[22:13:12] <greycat> Use putty.
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• 2933[22:13:29] <tw> Oh, fyi PTTYPE="atari" means "partition type detection wrongly decided your MSDOS partition is actually an atari-type partition"
• 2934[22:13:34] <joepublic> technically, that would be using putty, not using ssh
• 2935[22:13:48] <greycat> It would be using SSH, the Secure Shell protocol.
• 2936[22:13:48] <tw> jhutchins_wk: I don't think openssh can prompt for a username.
• 2937[22:14:04] <joepublic> as opposed to using ssh, the utility to connect using SSH
• 2938[22:14:28] <greycat> Why are you trying to revert to Windows-like behavior?
• 2939[22:14:46] <somiaj> jhutchins_wk: what is the use case for this where ssh user@foo isn't sufficent?
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• 2941[22:15:33] <pirla> mulletman: use "apt-get -f install" after "dpkg -i (packagename)"
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• 2943[22:15:41] <pirla> sometimes it works
• 2944[22:15:46] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 2946[22:16:06] <somiaj> jhutchins_wk: ^^
• 2947[22:16:26] <greycat> so, it would be really helpful if you told us WHY you're trying to do this, so we can aim the shotgun-answers in the right general direction
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• 2950[22:18:04] <jhutchins_wk> somiaj: Sounds like a definitive answer.
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• 2953[22:19:00] <jhutchins_wk> We have a connection coming in from a mainframe that connects first, then prompts for username/password. Mainfraim is using proprietary ssh client to allow conversion from EPCIDIC and IBM file format to ASCII/Unix.
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• 2955[22:19:41] <greycat> If the mainframe is not using Debian, I'm not sure why you think we can help you with it.
• 2956[22:19:49] <greycat> also you misspelled EBCDIC
• 2957[22:19:53] <jhutchins_wk> I wanted to emulate it to see if I could see what it's doing. /var/log/auth doesn't look any different from an openssh connection.
• 2958[22:20:31] <jhutchins_wk> Indeed I did. Haven't messed with the beasts since 1989.
• 2959[22:21:10] <jhutchins_wk> It seems like at some point not specifying a name caused a connection with a name prompt, but that was years ago (if not misremembered).
• 2960[22:21:12] <somiaj> then maybe putty could work, it does ask for username.
• 2961[22:21:13] <greycat> In any case, there's nothing Debian about the question. The software works the way it was written to work.
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• 2963[22:21:30] <jhutchins_wk> I ask in Debian because the objective is to emulate the mainframe's connection process from my debian host.
• 2964[22:21:36] <greycat> Run putty.
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• 2966[22:21:48] <joepublic> ,v putty
• 2967[22:21:50] <judd> Package: putty on amd64 -- jessie: 0.63-10+deb8u1; jessie-security: 0.63-10+deb8u2; stretch: 0.67-3+deb9u1; stretch-security: 0.67-3+deb9u1; buster: 0.70-6; bullseye: 0.73-1; sid: 0.73-1
• 2968[22:22:30] <tw> Can wine applications grab global accelerator keys in X11? The keysym I want is XF86AudioNext and I want to capture it with fb2k running in wine.
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• 2972[22:24:32] <pirla> still 30 min, more or less
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• 2976[22:26:55] <tw> Nevermind, seems like an issue with wineserver where it cannot catch unfocused events (perhaps a good thing because it prevents grabbing all keystrokes)
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• 3001[22:43:02] <pirla> almost done
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• 3003[22:44:18] <pirla> done, now installing. what's the command?
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• 3009[22:48:14] <HelloShitty> Hello peeps... My laptop mic is not picking up any sound. Can anyone help me tracking the issue? I have already tried to record some sound woth the mic but the .wav files comes out empty
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• 3011[22:49:10] <pirla> helloshitty, is the volume too low?
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• 3016[22:50:54] <pirla> back to my video card problem, which dpkg command do you need the output of?
• 3017[22:51:24] <greycat> 15:46 towo`> pirla, provede the output of dpkg -l | grep mesa
• 3018[22:52:10] <pirla> replaced-url
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• 3022[22:54:22] <towo`> pirla, there is no libgl1-mesa-swx11
• 3023[22:54:31] <pirla> I got it from Jessie
• 3024[22:54:35] <towo`> oh, overseen
• 3025[22:55:00] <towo`> apt purge libgl1-mesa-swx11
• 3026[22:55:37] <pirla> it asks permission to remove lots of packages
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• 3028[22:56:03] <greycat> sounds like a frankendebian
• 3029[22:56:18] <towo`> the question is, how you get that package installed
• 3030[22:56:28] <towo`> greycat, i would second that
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• 3032[22:56:40] <pirla> with adding jeccie to sources.list and then apt
• 3033[22:56:44] <pirla> jessier
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• 3036[22:59:09] <pirla> replaced-url
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• 3039[23:00:46] <greycat> When you "added jessie", did you also REMOVE something that you should've kept?
• 3040[23:00:53] <pirla> no
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• 3045[23:06:23] <pirla> I'm doing the wrong way: let it remove packages
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• 3050[23:09:01] <oo_miguel> Is it recommended to run: apt update && apt upgrade && shutdown -h now , periodically or is there some more elegant approach (I hope so). Now I found myself doing this for my home-server manually and irregularly.
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• 3052[23:09:14] <oo_miguel> would like to automate this away alltogether
• 3053[23:09:25] <greycat> !unattended-upgrades
• 3054[23:09:26] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, unattended-upgrades is a package for installing security upgrades automatically, unattended. See replaced-url
• 3055[23:09:34] <oo_miguel> thank you greycat
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• 3069[23:15:59] <oo_miguel> will upgrading the kernel (or some other things as well) require a reboot to come into effect?
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• 3071[23:16:23] <greycat> yes
• 3072[23:18:14] <oo_miguel> ok
• 3073[23:20:22] <joepublic> shutdown -h ???
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• 3077[23:21:54] <oo_miguel> -r sorry :P
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• 3079[23:22:05] <joepublic> even so
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• 3082[23:22:32] <oo_miguel> also just in case the kernel got upgraded for instance
• 3083[23:22:43] <joepublic> if you need to restart, apt will tell you so. it doesn't tell you so often.
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• 3085[23:23:00] <oo_miguel> oh, did not know there is a message hinting this need
• 3086[23:23:02] <oo_miguel> thanks
• 3087[23:23:21] <oo_miguel> will use unattended-updates now (for the comp in question) which takes care of this itself
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• 3089[23:23:49] <oo_miguel> but thanks for the info. Will check it on my desktop on the next couple of updates
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• 3091[23:24:04] <Aebian> I have setup LUKS on my additional internal SATA SSD on my laptop. If I want to automount it on boot, should I add it to fstab and crypttab or is there an additional step needed?
• 3092[23:24:26] <wtfksd> Hi guys, can I ask a weird question about wifi hotspots?
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• 3095[23:25:27] <joepublic> why not, in for a penny, in for a pound
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• 3098[23:30:20] <pirla> Thanks so much, I removed swx11 and the packages it asked to remove, then reinstalled everything. Luckily enough, it was a fresh installation (done yesterday), so I didn't have much to loss
• 3099[23:30:24] <pirla> bye
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• 3102[23:30:48] <wtfksd> haha thanks ^^ So, few years ago I had issues with the cops for hacking a wep network and did sqli and got busted. Few months ago I've broken with my ex gf. She told to cops a lot of stupid things (like i'm able to trace a smartphone - but I'm just using 'google lost my phone' feature nothing terrible lmfao). Now I live in a house and I have 2
• 3103[23:30:49] <wtfksd> neighbors. Me and my neighbors use basic adsl providers with almost the sames ssids and wpa encryption. BUT I can see a hidden wifi hotspot with wep encryption, and this hotspot randomly appears and disappear.... Could it be a honeypot from the cops? lol
• 3104[23:31:44] <joepublic> so your question is, are the cops likely to use a hidden wifi hotspot as a honeypot to directly target you.
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• 3107[23:32:29] <wtfksd> exactly, it could be possible? maybe they think that i'm so stupid to get baited like this? I thought about a iot device but the mac lookup does not give any results
• 3108[23:32:32] <joepublic> I don't know your cops. I don't know any cops who do that, but you know your cops better than anyone I'd say.
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• 3110[23:33:09] <joepublic> well, they have apparently already measured your stupidity level previously
• 3111[23:33:45] <joepublic> Maybe you should focus on studying hard and graduating.
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• 3113[23:34:48] <sebboh-> Also focus on swiming, hiking, camping. Things like that. But yeah it's nothing more special than an IoT device that is not in the DB.
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• 3115[23:36:19] <joepublic> also note that "I am paranoid because I can see an unknown wifi device" is not a normal, healthy response of a well-adjusted person.
• 3116[23:37:11] <sponix2ipfw> joepublic: I, and my shrink would agree lol
• 3117[23:37:41] <sponix2ipfw> Doesn't stop me though at times
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• 3120[23:38:03] <joepublic> No, i have had plenty times in my life where I needed to have such a thing explained to me.
• 3121[23:38:34] <wtfksd> lol yes they have mesured my stupidity once, I was young and drunk , but actually i'm not doing anything wrong i'm studiying ^^ I hope it's a IoT device, nothing else... And yes, i'm paranoid guy...^^
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• 3123[23:40:07] <wtfksd> however, I will never know... maybe should I try a Wifi mapping to see where it comes from :O lol
• 3124[23:40:09] <joepublic> is your concern that it will notice your penetration scanning?
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• 3126[23:41:16] <sebboh-> Remember old, proper computers, where the HDD light/mechanical noises would not happen all day, unless you touched the thing?? I'm glad we all transitioned to the "always spying all the time" software before I was crazy. Back then I was able to get away with attributing the extra activity to low software quality... That was probably better for
• 3127[23:41:17] <sebboh-> my cardiovascular health, in the long run. :)
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• 3129[23:41:41] <wtfksd> I don't scan or even try to do anything, I just see it in available networks, nothing else
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• 3131[23:42:09] <joepublic> in that case, I am thinking it is not a threat to you, regardless of who is operating it or why.
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• 3134[23:45:19] <wtfksd> yeah you're probably right... but I don't use IoT devices and I really don't imagine my neighbors with a IoT device, one of them is an old guy who's just having an old computer to see porn and to talk with women, and the second neighbor is a 25yo girl and I dont think she's using something else than yotube and netflix, I'm in a small country, they
• 3135[23:45:19] <wtfksd> don't look really geek lol
• 3136[23:46:05] <wtfksd> *town not country sorry
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• 3139[23:47:08] <wtfksd> ... will wait and see lol... thanks anyways ;)
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• 3142[23:48:54] <sebboh-> what's a simple way to delete all the bytes in a file from the command line, without deleting the file since -- cat /dev/null > file
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• 3145[23:49:32] <joepublic> echo "" > file
• 3146[23:49:33] <themill> : > file
• 3147[23:50:22] <sebboh-> joepublic, that looks like it results in a one=byte file.
• 3148[23:50:31] <sebboh-> s/=/-/
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• 3150[23:50:40] <joepublic> ah, so it may
• 3151[23:50:49] <joepublic> a \n I bet
• 3152[23:50:57] <sebboh-> yep :)
• 3153[23:51:01] <joepublic> printf instead perhaps
• 3154[23:51:04] <sebboh-> : > file works. Neat.
• 3155[23:51:13] <sebboh-> joepublic or echo -n "" > file
• 3156[23:51:21] <themill> !man truncate
• 3157[23:51:21] <dpkg> man truncate is probably at replaced-url
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• 3160[23:52:07] <sebboh-> oh, truncate(1). Cool. I didn't know about this command (though there is a truncate command in the database world).
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• 3163[23:55:39] <Aebian> hmm seems like adding the stuff to crypttab partially worked. I can unlock the second drive with the passphrase, seems like it didn't use the keyfile I specified
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