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31 [00:18:57] <Georgis> hello
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37 [00:22:19] <satbyy> helldo Georgis
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52 [00:37:21] <nvz> my other consoles failed to start, tty1 is
the only one thats running idk why it does this sometimes but i
suspect its this damn systemd
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55 [00:37:57] <somiaj> nvz: systemd only runs tty's when
they are requested.
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57 [00:38:09] <somiaj> nvz: hit ctlr-alt-f2, a tty will be
launched and available.
58 [00:39:17] <nvz> somiaj: i wouldnt know its not working if i
hadnt already tried that
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63 [00:42:34] <somiaj> nvz: hwat does systemctl start getty@2
do? does it start tty2 for you?
64 [00:43:54] <nvz> somiaj: command ran with no output, still
just blinkin _ on tty2.. checking logs
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66 [00:44:32] <somiaj> nvz: systemctl status getty@2
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69 [00:45:05] <somiaj> nvz: no output is on par for systemctl,
it never gives output, you have to request output, such as using the
status command.
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71 [00:46:30] <nvz> somiaj:
replaced-url
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73 [00:46:54] <nvz> somiaj: from daemon.log
74 [00:47:32] <nvz> i fn hate systemd its high on my shitlist of
things to get rid of on here
75 [00:48:11] <somiaj> nvz: what version of debian is this?
76 [00:48:20] <nvz> somiaj: stretch
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78 [00:48:31] <somiaj> operation not permitted, sounds more like
some permissions issue with udev or the kernel.
79 [00:48:35] <somiaj> did you check dmesg?
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81 [00:49:05] <somiaj> is this in a container?
82 [00:49:12] <nvz> somiaj: kernel is outdated custom kernel for
orange pi lite.. nothing that seems relevant in dmesg at this time
83 [00:49:57] <nvz> somiaj: i did stop cgmanager and cgproxy
just to see what they did, but this happened before even when they
were running
84 [00:50:03] <somiaj> I do see some debian bugs about systemd
having problems with outdated kernel.
85 [00:50:17] <somiaj> so this is only partily stretch since it
isn't running on stretches kernel?
86 [00:50:25] <nvz> somiaj: yeah its 3.4 tree
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88 [00:51:12] <nvz> somiaj: getting a new kernel is also on my
things to do list but on these things its a hairy situation
89 [00:51:44] <nvz> somiaj: 4.13 seems like itll be a good one
for the h3 cpu
90 [00:52:05] <somiaj> nvz: I think you are just in a strange
mix and most likely the cause of your problems. I do not know enough
about the details to be of any help to resolve it.
91 [00:52:25] <somiaj> either the kenrel is to old or you are
missing some feature that systemd needs.
92 [00:52:43] <somiaj> but I found a few bug reports on the
error you got about not liking outdated kernels.
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94 [00:53:24] <nvz> somiaj: i need to get rid of systemd for
numerous reasons not the least of which is all the stuff it does
which i am unfamiliar with.. like auto updating my apt cache,
putting rc links back when i remove them..etc
95 [00:53:28] <teraflops> nvz: do nvz you use the arm with
thingy DE/WM or just for hosting services?
96 [00:53:58] <nvz> teraflops: im using it as my only computer..
and so far i only use x when i really need to
97 [00:54:10] <teraflops> hmmm
98 [00:54:17] <nvz> teraflops: i use nodm to keep it simple
99 [00:54:33] <teraflops> nvz: I use mainline kernel from
armbian repo, but no mali drivers
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101 [00:55:05] <teraflops> not that I care, they are headless
102 [00:55:20] <nvz> teraflops: near as i can tell the mali isnt
worth crap anyhow
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105 [00:55:33] <somiaj> nvz: well you can run debian with sysv
init, but you cant completely get rid of systemd on a debian system.
It just won't be your init system.
106 [00:56:34] <somiaj> nvz: also you are on the dge of outside
of debian support. My experience with systemd is it works really
well, and I like it as my init system, I don't fully agree with
its kitchen sink approach, but if using the stretch kerenel and all
stretch packages, things should work just fine.
107 [00:57:43] <nvz> somiaj: how do i disable services with it? i
tried update-rc.d and rcconf and it keeps putting the damn links
back
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109 [00:57:59] <somiaj> nvz: systemctl disable servicename
110 [00:58:19] <somiaj> nvz: though this only disables them at
boot, some serivices are attached to hooks, to completely disable a
service, systemctl mask servicename
111 [00:58:31] <nvz> somiaj: and the auto update of apt cache do
you know how to stop that?
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113 [00:59:27] <nvz> im just talking ssh, nodm,
transmission-daemon, lirc, lircd, lircmd, stuff like that i want to
run when i explicitly tell it to
114 [01:00:16] <nvz> transmission and nodm being the big
performance hits and ssh being a potential security risk when im not
using ssh
115 [01:00:20] <somiaj> nvz: in that case disable will be enough.
116 [01:00:47] <somiaj> nvz: though nodm, that may honor
/etc/X11/default-display-manager, which you should set to false,
then no display manager will run
117 [01:00:57] <somiaj> nvz: I don't know what you mean by
auto update of apt cache?
118 [01:01:22] <jmcnaught> probably apt-daily.timer (which you
can also disable with systemctl)
119 [01:01:36] <nvz> somiaj: i booted last night and system was
sluggish and i caught systemd doind what it called a daily apt
update
120 [01:02:03] <somiaj> that probably isn't systemd, but
some service on your system.
121 [01:02:15] <somiaj> you should track down which
service/package is doing that.
122 [01:02:21] <nvz> ive been using debian since 2.2r6 i think i
can update my own apt cache as needed
123 [01:02:43] <somiaj> you can see if it is in /etc/cron.daily
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125 [01:02:51] <jmcnaught> nvz: somiaj: it's the
apt-daily.timer unit provided by the apt package, and it can be
disabled with systemctl
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127 [01:03:43] <somiaj> ahh I must have not noticed that service,
was it only added right before the release?
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130 [01:04:07] <jmcnaught> i don't know, i just found it now
with "journalctl -b | grep apt"
131 [01:04:07] <somiaj> though that is not systemd, that is apt,
so at least point blame at the right package (:
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133 [01:04:45] <nvz> this stuff is madness i nearly had a stroke
when devfs and udev and hal came around, but this systemd really
drives me nuts.. i like my things to stay seperate not all automated
like some robots organizing to take over the planet
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137 [01:05:27] <jmcnaught> nvz: systemd's really not that
bad if you take some time to learn it. the introductory series for
sysadmins on Lennary Poettering's blog is pretty decent
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140 [01:06:40] <nvz> i wouldnt care so much if i were on a core
i7 with 4-8gb ram or something
141 [01:06:40] <somiaj> nvz: I find systemd as an init system far
nicer than sysvinit ever ways. Eaiser to manage and even write
services for than bash scripts. I don't agree with the full
desktop integration part of systemd, but it takes time to get use to
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143 [01:07:13] <somiaj> nvz: if you plan on running debian you
can either learn how to use sysv init instead, or get use to
systemd.
144 [01:07:21] <somiaj> if you really don't like systemd,
debian may not be the best choice for you.
145 [01:07:24] <somiaj> !remove systemd
146 [01:07:24] <dpkg> To use an init system other than systemd in
jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the
systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core
systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie
upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes:
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147 [01:07:37] <somiaj> note, this still requires parts of
systemd, but it will not be used as the init system.
148 [01:08:08] <nvz> oh i talked to dpkg about this several days
ago.. and after trying to get rid of systemd i just gave up nd put
it back
149 [01:08:17] <somiaj> I also don't know how well it works
in stretch, that factiod was for jessie. I have had issues learning
systemd, but once you get use to how to use it, you can manage and
disable thigns you odnt' want.
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151 [01:08:53] <jmcnaught> there's a note on switching to
sysvinit in systemd's README.Debian
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153 [01:09:30] <nvz> yeah like the note in HHGTTG about letting
vogons read you poetry
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156 [01:11:00] <jmcnaught>
replaced-url
157 [01:12:44] <nvz> so was the note about vogon poetry. heh
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167 [01:16:54] <nvz> zgrep -A 13 "back to SysV"
/usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian.gz
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169 [01:18:00] <nvz> i heard one about a guy who could spin yarn
into gold too..
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172 [01:18:35] <somiaj> try to stick more to debian support,
complaining about systemd isn't going to change that in debian
you either have to get use to it, or get use to how to remove it in
favor of sysvinit.
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176 [01:21:07] <nvz> removing it doesnt work was my point..
I'll try it again after i finish cooking but it didnt go well
last time
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178 [01:22:17] <dondelelcaro> nvz: removing it should work... but
that said, the number of people who are actively testing no-systemd
is pretty small and diminishing
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180 [01:22:31] <dondelelcaro> (so if people aren't testing
it and filing bugs, it will probably bit rot away at some point)
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183 [01:23:03] <jmcnaught> the instructions say not to remove
systemd. you _add_ the sysvinit-core package if that's what you
want to use for init, but systemd pacakge says on your system
184 [01:23:14] <jmcnaught> ^says^stays
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186 [01:23:20] <nvz> dondelelcaro: noted.. i think i shall jump
on the bug reporting wagon then
187 [01:24:06] <nvz> i know what it says i talked to dpkg about
it several days ago
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191 [01:25:04] <humbot> bork
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195 [01:26:32] <nvz> systemd has potential to make debian no
longer feasible on embedded platforms and low end hw. ive been using
links2, irssi, etc all in console.. i dont need that for anything
even if i use x im using nodm and sawfish or some light wm or custom
xsession
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202 [01:30:29] <dondelelcaro> nvz: I don't think so,
actually
203 [01:30:42] <metax> nvz, i agree
204 [01:30:49] <dondelelcaro> nvz: indeed, with systemd you could
potentially ditch bash completely
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206 [01:31:21] <dondelelcaro> nvz: and it tends to handle
non-deterministic things much better, which is a halmark of embedded
platforms
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211 [01:31:59] <jmcnaught> i could see socket-activated services
being pretty useful on embedded
212 [01:32:17] <nvz> dondelelcaro: those are valid points, i am
perhaps being stubborn because im tracing all my woes back to
systemd
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214 [01:32:59] <dondelelcaro> nvz: could be. I've definitely
found a lot of things easier with systemd
215 [01:33:20] <dondelelcaro> (and this is coming from someone
who has no compunction with coding very complicated things in shell)
216 [01:33:25] <jmcnaught> nvz: maybe it's time to take a
step back, learn systemd a little more, and re-evaluate it with
fresh perspective on some of the advantages it brings
217 [01:34:45] <nvz> it brings no advantage to a person on an
orangepi lite using console apps on a distro he's been using
for 15 years now, other than dealing with systemd because its an
elephant in the room
218 [01:35:16] <dondelelcaro> nvz: dunno; even for console stuff
it makes debugging issues with daemons easier
219 [01:35:50] <dondelelcaro> nvz: and things like the per-vpn
generators for openvpn and tinc are super-awesome
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221 [01:36:55] <metax> a system needs more ram for it, something
we just want only 1 task to be automated and don't need
'an elephant' for that
222 [01:37:01] <metax> sometimes*
223 [01:37:15] <dondelelcaro> metax: if that's what you
really want, then you can use that task as init
224 [01:37:27] <dondelelcaro> metax: but in reality, you often
want more than that
225 [01:37:42] <metax> in reality nope, i don't
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227 [01:37:51] <dondelelcaro> metax: so use that task as init?
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229 [01:38:02] <nvz> it doesnt use much resources itself its all
the crap its doing automatically that gets me into binds where im
fingering the sysrq key
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232 [01:38:25] <metax> if i intend to use a generator of
certificates for an openvpn server i will not need anything that
that
233 [01:38:28] <dondelelcaro> I mean; it itself is using about
250K here.
234 [01:38:32] <metax> more than that i mean
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236 [01:39:18] <dondelelcaro> metax: uh.. you'll need a
shell, and a bunch of other things if that's what you're
doing. Plus, you probably want to restart openvpn and make sure that
openvpn comes up after the network is up
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238 [01:40:06] <metax> i am talking about a system, not just an
openvpn server. a debian minimal installation without systemd is
quite enough for that
239 [01:40:20] <dondelelcaro> but in any event, that's the
cool thing about linux; you don't have to like systemd. If you
want to use something else, go right ahead
240 [01:40:30] <dondelelcaro> just don't expect someone else
to support it for you
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244 [01:41:07] <dondelelcaro> (and seriously, if you want to not
use systemd, please test the non-systemd setups and file bugs with
patches)
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248 [01:41:51] <nvz> like when it was doing apt updates or
starting services id remover links for.. and i suppose understanding
how its doing this will help avoid that but i really dont like
anything happening automatically. i have better sense of what im
doing and what my hw is capable of.. aside from the kernel deciding
what to kill on a SAK when the feces hits the air circulation
devices propeller, i dont want anything
249 [01:41:57] <nvz> happening automatically
250 [01:42:11] <jmcnaught> nvz: it wasn't doing apt updates,
apt was
251 [01:42:26] <nvz> apt was never sentient before systemd
252 [01:42:44] <metax> well, you clearly understand that more
people will pass to devuan if support for non-systemd apps will end
on debian
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254 [01:42:48] <jmcnaught> it was the apt package that provided
the apt-daily.timer unit file, it could just have easily been a file
in /etc/cron.d
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256 [01:43:22] <dondelelcaro> metax: *shrug*; if someone else
wants to support non-systemd outside of Debian, great.
257 [01:43:39] <dondelelcaro> metax: but if no one in Debian is
going to do the work, then the work isn't going to be done
258 [01:45:19] <nvz> jmcnaught: i know about cron and /etc/rc2.d,
etc.. i look at these things for explainations. there is no
old-debian-user shim for systemd that says oh hey, btw, the shit
that just deadlocked your system, its over here --> not where
youre looking
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260 [01:45:36] <nvz> debian devs used to put messages in apps
easing transitions
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264 [01:46:41] <dondelelcaro> nvz: they still exist in
NEWS.Debian and similar
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268 [01:47:17] <dondelelcaro> (and really, systemd shouldn't
be deadlocking anything)
269 [01:47:20] <jmcnaught> actually i believe a lot of work has
gone into smoothing the systemd transition as much as possible,
including insserv which keeps sysvinit and systemd services in sync
with each other to facilitate switching back and forth, for example
270 [01:47:30] <dondelelcaro> if it is, I'd certainly love
to see the bug for it
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276 [01:51:23] <somiaj> also running a 3.4 kernel on
stretch/systemd isn't fully supported either, you may want a
fresh stretch install, remove systemd and then have a good system to
send bug reports if you run across any issues.
277 [01:51:57] <somiaj> jmcnaught: I thought it was mostly
seemless, though learning how to do things in systemd requires time
and effort in any cases.
278 [01:52:07] <somiaj> but yes /etc/init.d/foo
start/stop/restart correctly detects if using systemd or not
279 [01:52:55] <jmcnaught> somiaj: yeah there's a lot of
attention to detail there that i think is impressive
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301 [02:06:33] <asternal> How do I recursively set every
folder's access flags to 755 and every file's access flags
to 640?
302 [02:06:39] <asternal> Inside a certain folder.
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304 [02:07:24] <Laserburn> lol
305 [02:07:34] <Laserburn> that's not recursive
306 [02:08:30] <asternal> Recursively, as in, setting the files
and folders inside the folders of the folder I want to change them
in.
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310 [02:08:52] <at0m> find //path/to -name * -type f -exec chmod
640 {} \
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312 [02:10:00] <at0m> for directories, -type d
313 [02:10:04] <asternal> Thanks!
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322 [02:18:20] <daffy__> is it ok changing systemd by sysvinit in
debian9? using an old pc as a smb/torrent server only?
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328 [02:21:08] <somiaj> daffy__: it is still supported, though
the number of people using it is small.
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331 [02:21:38] <somiaj> daffy__: check out
/usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian.gz
332 [02:22:12] <daffy__> somiaj, thanks
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501 [04:36:51] <Johnnyl> i fixed the problem!!!
502 [04:37:29] <Johnnyl> you'll never guess how.
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550 [05:14:25] <nilsonlinux> olá
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583 [05:53:06] <Infiltrator> How do I force initrd to include all
the crypt stuff? I have /etc/cryptsetup, and GRUB has the crypt
modules loaded, but initrd just complains that it cannot find the
LVM and drops me to a shell. In that shell, there is no cryptsetup
command to try it manually.
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585 [05:57:33] <Johnnyl> I switched to OpenSuSE.
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587 [05:57:36] <Infiltrator> I tried to copy
/usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot and scripts/cryptroot to
/etc/initramfs-tools/ and then ran update-initramfs, but no change.
588 [05:57:43] <Johnnyl> thats how i solved the problem. ;)
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591 [05:59:16] <bit1> Hi, I've upgraded to testing,
I've this apt-get upgrade error: ImportError: No module named
'encodings' Any advice?, thanks in advance
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605 [06:10:31] <Infiltrator> bit1: Try #debian-next (this channel
is for stable only).
606 [06:11:27] <bit1> Infiltrator, thanks but #debian-next is
only for invited users.
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609 [06:13:59] <Arcademan> bit1, the official network for help
with debian is irc.oftc.net #debian-next.
610 [06:14:05] <DeaDSouL> which cron daemon does debian use ?
611 [06:14:47] <bit1> Arcademan, thanks :)
612 [06:15:10] <Arcademan> DeaDSouL, check
replaced-url
613 [06:15:25] <Arcademan> anacron*
614 [06:15:42] <DeaDSouL> thanks Arcademan
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626 [06:26:22] <DeaDSouL> does debian use a system-logger or the
systemd-journaling ?
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629 [06:28:18] <Arcademan> debian uses systemd so
systemd-journaling
630 [06:29:13] <Arcademan> journalctl is the main command
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632 [06:30:33] <DeaDSouL> thanks :)
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642 [06:41:32] <deego> I know emacs has a large footprint. But,
would it hurt debian to include the super-tiny mg, so people can get
by when using a live cd?
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646 [06:41:47] <deego> or is there some other tiny emacs-like
already included in debian live?
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651 [06:50:08] <Johnnyl> you know what I like about debian?
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653 [06:50:18] <Johnnyl> that i'm no longer running
it's bugs.
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656 [06:52:07] <ryouma> deego: nano is semi-usable
657 [06:52:23] <ryouma> dunno if it is included. it would be good
if emacs were.
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659 [06:53:12] <Atm0spher1c> deego, include mg in debian live?
because there is a package for it
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719 [08:02:54] <deego> ryouma: yeah, i do use it
720 [08:03:05] <deego> Atm0spher1c: yeah, in live
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756 [08:23:06] <eldebrim1> since stretch was released, does that
mean that sid is the current testing distro?
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760 [08:24:58] <Atm0spher1c> eldebrim1, sid will always be
unstable
761 [08:25:30] <Atm0spher1c> eldebrim1, sid, the unstable kid
from toy story
762 [08:25:40] <Atm0spher1c> eldebrim1, buster is testing
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764 [08:26:15] <eldebrim1> thanks.
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771 [08:29:55] <ofg|brtr> for sending and receiving email would
Postfix suffice?
772 [08:30:20] <ofg|brtr> any good material on how to setting it
up/
773 [08:30:23] <ofg|brtr> ?
774 [08:30:57] <Atm0spher1c> ofg|brtr, have fun with that :D
775 [08:31:02] <Atm0spher1c> postfix is good
776 [08:31:17] <ofg|brtr> Atm0spher1c: was a tone of meaning
behind your word.
777 [08:31:20] <ofg|brtr> :(
778 [08:31:35] <ofg|brtr> What should I do?
779 [08:31:43] <Atm0spher1c> postfix
780 [08:31:49] <jmcnaught> ofg|brtr: exim4 is the default MTA in
Debian, Postfix is another excellent choice (it's what I use)
781 [08:31:50] <Atm0spher1c> ofg|brtr, lookup ispmail
782 [08:32:10] <Atm0spher1c> ofg|brtr,
replaced-url
783 [08:32:18] <ofg|brtr> I did it previously setup the postfix
but the help I used was crap.
784 [08:32:34] <ofg|brtr> I ended up with just sending and not
receiving emails
785 [08:32:59] <jmcnaught> ofg|brtr: you should also be prepared
to read some mail protocol RFCs and develop a solid understanding of
how mail works if you are going to run a mail server. Otherwise just
pay for a mail service
786 [08:33:02] <ofg|brtr> if you know or see any good material on
the web could you forward me the link?
787 [08:33:08] <Atm0spher1c> ofg|brtr, mail is hard
788 [08:33:15] <ofg|brtr> I know that.
789 [08:33:19] <Atm0spher1c> ofg|brtr, i just did
790 [08:33:27] <hanasaki> could you help w/ bluetooth not
working? gnome and debian 9 / BCM20702A0
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792 [08:34:09] <hanasaki> jmcnaught: exim4 is still active? the
listserv is quiet .. I have gotten just a few emails and they are
all porn spam
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795 [08:34:31] <jmcnaught> ofg|brtr: The Book of Postfix by
Hildebrandt and Koetter is a good introduction to Postfix as an MTA
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797 [08:34:55] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: presumably Debian would stop
using it as the default MTA if upstream was dead
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799 [08:35:09] <hanasaki> jmcnaught: what do you like in postfix
over exim? not a mta war.. just looking for info.
800 [08:35:43] <jmcnaught> probably because i had the above book
when i started learning mail
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803 [08:37:36] <jmcnaught> that book was only a few years old
when i read it, there's a lot of new material one would need to
learn but most of the changes in Postfix add new features instead of
changing old ones
804 [08:39:19] <hanasaki> good reason :)
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816 [08:55:25] <TinkerTiger> Well, guess I've entered 9-land
now. Heh.
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857 [09:29:21] <hanasaki> is this a known bug in debian 9 or know
of a solution? bluetoothd[630]: Failed to obtain handles for
"Service Changed" characteristic
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861 [09:32:59] <at0m> hanasaki: will you google that error or do
you expect us to?
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863 [09:35:22] <hanasaki> at0m: already did
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872 [09:41:55] <hanasaki> all the bluetooth looks installed ok
and the device is up. however gnome btmanager doesn't find
anything to pair with. pairing with a mac and windows works fine
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877 [09:44:42] <at0m>
replaced-url
878 [09:44:43] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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882 [09:49:59] <hanasaki> at0m: thank you. seems that
doesn't keep the daemon from running however no devices are
found on scan. basically, for me , debian 9 seems to be broken for
btooth
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885 [09:55:34] <cef> hanasaki: definitely not some sort of
firmware issue with the bluetooth chipset?
886 [09:56:05] <hanasaki> cef: don't think so... have a
suggestion to check it out? help is appreciated
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888 [09:58:04] <cef> hanasaki: have you got the firmware for your
wireless/bluetooth chipset installed? not sure how to tell if
it's not installed for the bluetooth one.. but I know htat some
of the intel ones the bluetooth & wireless chipsets are combined
and use combined firmware.
889 [09:58:37] <hanasaki> cef yes / bluetooth hci0: firmware:
direct-loading firmware brcm/BCM20702A1-13d3-3404.hcd
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892 [10:02:06] <hanasaki> cef: anything else?
893 [10:02:54] <cef> hanasaki: not really sorry. I don't
tend to use bluetooth much myself. thought however best to ask.
894 [10:03:00] <cef> hanasaki: good luck!
895 [10:03:10] <hanasaki> thank you
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1013 [11:06:13] <kang0> When to use those options
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1043 [11:25:27] <mango> Hello
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1045 [11:25:49] <mango> I'm guessing the rx 5XX HDMI audio
issue fixes didnt get backports to 4.9 ?
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1078 [11:43:22] <b30wulf> anyone familiar with debian install on
/dev/mmcblk0 for a computer whose BIOS does not recognize it as a
boot device
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1080 [11:43:37] <b30wulf> for stretch
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1083 [11:49:06] <klys> b30wulf, mbr or efi ?
1084 [11:49:25] <ofg|brtr> hello
1085 [11:49:38] <b30wulf> either. efi preferably
1086 [11:49:40] <klys> hi
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1089 [11:50:13] <ned_-> Debian 10 @ Cybernet
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1091 [11:50:27] <klys> i don't know any uefi that works, so,
if you want that then talk to someone who does that
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1094 [11:51:01] <b30wulf> mbr is good too
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1096 [11:51:34] <klys> mbr uses fdisk. you'll have to boot
grub from a different device, thought.
1097 [11:51:37] <ofg|brtr> hello;
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1099 [11:51:55] <b30wulf> ok
1100 [11:52:29] <klys> if running fdisk to create partitions,
consider fdisk -u=cylinders
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1102 [11:52:38] <ofg|brtr> my postfix has a simple config without
LDAP. I can get emails for root@ but non of the other users such as
admin@ info@ .....
1103 [11:53:08] <ofg|brtr> the sender on those cases receive 550
no person at this address
1104 [11:53:17] <ofg|brtr> could any one give me a hint
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1106 [11:53:59] <ofg|brtr> n my logs I have the email comming but
then it gets removed at the next line of the lo file
1107 [11:54:01] <klys> ofg|brtr, do you have a file at
/etc/pam.d/postfix (shot in the dark)
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1109 [11:55:07] <ofg|brtr> klys: I have directory
/etcpam.d/dovecot
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1111 [11:55:11] <ofg|brtr> is that it
1112 [11:56:25] <klys> that's your imap server, not your mail
relay
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1114 [11:56:43] <GAit> if your hardware had problems with kernel
4.09 and had to use 4.10+, in stretch other than building my own
kernel is there a way to do that that is cleaner/semi-automated or
have to upgrade to testing/sid?
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1120 [11:58:09] <klys> GAit, you can unpack the kernel package of
your choice with dpkg -x file.deb /path/to/empty
1121 [11:58:16] <nvz> GAit: when it comes to needing newer
packages the standard method is to first check backports, and
compiling your own kernel is easier than you may think
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1124 [11:59:13] <GAit> nvz: i've done it a few times, not an
expert by far but that's not the problem, i just prefer
something less ad-hoc as much as possible
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1127 [11:59:28] <nvz> ,versions linux-image-amd64
1128 [11:59:29] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 --
wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63;
jessie-backports: 4.9+80~bpo8+1; sid: 4.9+80; stretch: 4.9+80;
buster: 4.9+80
1129 [11:59:41] <nvz> currently 4.9 is the newest in any branch
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1132 [12:00:20] <GAit> nvz: I see. Thus I suppose my only option
is wait or build my own. I did notice stretch didn't have a
backports yet, I suppose too new?
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1135 [12:01:01] <nvz> GAit: are you familiar with kernel-package?
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1137 [12:02:46] <GAit> nvz: i wasn't but i got an idea now. I
never used it as far as i remember, it was more custom and less
automated last time I played with my own kernel (and that was on
first mandrake and then on arch)
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1140 [12:03:47] <b30wulf> klys so just install to mmcblk0 and then
put a grub entry on the preexisting HD install using
/etc/grub.d/40_custom , update-grub ? no extra modules needed at
boot time?
1141 [12:04:27] <nvz> GAit: kernel-package is dead simple to use.
make-kpkg --rootcmd=fakeroot --config=menuconfig binary from your
kernel sourcedir will build menuconfig, run it and then compile the
kernel when you exit and then build 4 debs for
image,source,docs,headers
1142 [12:05:02] <nvz> GAit: there are also options for patching
and of course other config methods like using your old config
1143 [12:06:23] <GAit> GAit: sounds like the way to go.
1144 [12:06:28] <GAit> nvz: thanks
1145 [12:08:07] <nvz> GAit: you'll need libncurses5-dev for
menuconfig and fakeroot
1146 [12:08:30] <nvz> GAit: you should never compile as root, its
an unecessary risk
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1148 [12:08:55] <klys> b30wulf, man mkinitrd
1149 [12:09:06] <b30wulf> aight
1150 [12:09:10] <debo> hi guys, back again trying to get my kde
desktop working after upgrading to debian stretch
1151 [12:09:22] <nvz> GAit: build-essential libncurses5-dev
kernel-package fakeroot should cover it
1152 [12:09:37] <debo> I get the following error in dmesg
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1154 [12:09:51] <debo> plasmashell[1595]: segfault at 0 ip
abae078c sp bfd99974 error 4 in nouveau_dri.so[ab67b000+a14000]
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1156 [12:10:13] <GAit> agreed. ATM I am running something else as
Stretch had first problems to boot even the installer until I
disabled hybrid graphic and then would install but fail to boot. So
now I think I need to re-install (since I'm running a different
distro) and before rebooting get 4.10+ (which is known to work)
1157 [12:10:36] <debo> there is no taskbar and I can not
right-click the desktop
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1160 [12:12:51] <nvz> debo: well the segfault in your dri driver
doesnt sound good but errors you need are not in dmesg, theyre in
/var/log/Xorg.0.log
1161 [12:13:14] <nvz> debo: go to paste.debian.net and upload the
xorg log
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1164 [12:15:17] <debo> Failed to load module "nv"
(module does not exist, 0)
1165 [12:15:30] <debo> do you want the whole file
1166 [12:15:30] <nvz> debo: because if your problems were solely
kernel driver you wouldnt have a desktop loaded to try clicking on
1167 [12:15:36] <debo> this is the only EE
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1169 [12:16:40] <debo>
replaced-url
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1176 [12:22:15] <nvz> debo: so what display manager and desktop
environment are you using?
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1179 [12:22:52] <debo> sddm kde
1180 [12:22:58] <debo> i guess
1181 [12:23:16] <debo> but I'm not sure any more
1182 [12:23:47] <debo> i installed task-kde-desktop
1183 [12:23:56] <debo> kde-plasma-desktop
1184 [12:24:02] <debo> kde-standard
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1187 [12:25:47] <debo> oh, and kde-full
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1195 [12:31:42] <fallentree> When will debian evict the cancerous
blob known as systemd? Why is this person allowed to develop the
most used and thus most important middleware in the linux ecosystem?
replaced-url
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1198 [12:32:27] <bazhang> fallentree, thats just not ontopic here
at all
1199 [12:33:18] <bazhang> fallentree, #devuan is a fork sans
systemd
1200 [12:35:02] <debo>
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1240 [13:00:19] <woshty> How do I get my regular scollbars in
firefox back? I am running oldstable.
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1243 [13:01:27] <abrotman> regular?
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1245 [13:01:36] <missmbob> woshty: i dont have firefox to test but
i guess this
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1253 [13:05:16] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
1254 [13:05:33] <abrotman> see, you joined and dpkg left
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1258 [13:06:55] <missmbob> well, i know which i think is more
valuable...
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1270 [13:17:55] <superrorc> hey guys! how can i get default conf
file on vanilla 9?
1271 [13:18:09] <abrotman> that's vague
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1273 [13:18:20] <superrorc> dpkg bot will help?
1274 [13:18:21] <dpkg> superrorc: wish i knew
1275 [13:18:29] <abrotman> superrorc: which package?
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1277 [13:19:05] <superrorc> apt sources.list
1278 [13:19:06] <apt> If you have problems adding unofficial sites
to sources.list, try "deb URL ./" or 'man 5
sources.list' or woody: 'deb
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1279 [13:19:15] <abrotman> superrorc: which package
1280 [13:19:22] <abrotman> or which default conf
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1282 [13:19:31] <superrorc> source list for apt
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1284 [13:19:40] <abrotman> that would have been something great to
add to your original questoin
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1286 [13:20:17] <missmbob> for stretch?
1287 [13:20:21] <superrorc> yes
1288 [13:20:30] <missmbob> !stretch sources.list
1289 [13:20:30] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Stretch" has three lines: "deb
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1290 [13:20:32] <littlebit_> hi people, I'm trying to dd a
debian iso image onto a usb whose size is 128GB, yet I get a message
from dd that there is no space left...
1291 [13:20:35] <littlebit_> can someone help?
1292 [13:20:54] <abrotman> which device are you writing to?
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1297 [13:21:20] <superrorc> wow! thanks a lot missmbob
1298 [13:21:57] <missmbob> superrorc: you're welcome. try to
be clearer right away next time :)
1299 [13:22:09] <littlebit_> abrotman: /dev/sdb1
1300 [13:22:24] <missmbob> that's why
1301 [13:22:35] <littlebit_> because of the 1?
1302 [13:22:50] <abrotman> littlebit_: that's not what
yu're supposed to do
1303 [13:22:59] <missmbob> yes. you write to block device, not
partition
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1305 [13:23:04] <abrotman> littlebit_: typically you overwrite the
whole device
1306 [13:23:18] <abrotman> so, in your case, /dev/sdb
1307 [13:23:27] <littlebit_> abrotman: ah ok, I get it thx for the
help
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1312 [13:24:05] <superrorc> or you can copy iso files to partition
and install boot loader ( lilo grub2)
1313 [13:24:43] <abrotman> "typically"
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1342 [13:41:26] <duban> Can gcc 7.1 compile older version of make
software?
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1345 [13:41:44] <iodev> duban: should be able to
1346 [13:42:01] <iodev> although you may need to edit make's
code here and there
1347 [13:42:08] <iodev> or disable some error checks
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1353 [13:45:05] <rishik_> please tell a good channel for android
queries ?
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1355 [13:45:36] <kang0> #android
1356 [13:45:44] <iodev> rishik_: well, depends #android for usage,
#android-dev for dev, #android-root for rooting!
1357 [13:45:44] <kang0> #android-dev
1358 [13:45:50] <iodev> hi kang0
1359 [13:45:56] <kang0> Hey
1360 [13:46:00] <kang0> You are very slow
1361 [13:46:14] <iodev> kang0: me?
1362 [13:46:19] <kang0> Hmm
1363 [13:46:24] <discovered> I had Ubuntu and windows 10 dual
boot. Using usb i was trying to install debian 9.. After
installation when i boot , it shows only grub command line. What
could be the problem?
1364 [13:46:59] <iodev> discovered: there could have been a lot of
problems
1365 [13:47:02] <missmbob> discovered: you used something like
rufus or unetbootin?
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1367 [13:47:10] <discovered> yes, rufus
1368 [13:47:20] <missmbob> discovered: that's known to break
debian
1369 [13:47:22] <missmbob> !rufus
1370 [13:47:22] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make
bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use
with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and
unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about
<hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
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1373 [13:47:51] <missmbob> use win32diskimager (rename iso to img
if you cant find it)
1374 [13:48:06] <discovered> So i should use win22diskimager
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1376 [13:48:16] <missmbob> and *dont* use live iso. that's
really broken
1377 [13:48:25] <discovered> i see
1378 [13:48:28] <discovered> okay
1379 [13:48:33] <missmbob> use netinst or one of the other
inistaller iso's
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1382 [13:49:30] <missmbob> i'm really serious about not using
live :P
1383 [13:50:10] <discovered> I was trying to find the KDE version
of debian iso
1384 [13:50:22] <dvs> which is a live iso
1385 [13:50:42] <missmbob> you can install kde from netinst
1386 [13:51:31] <missmbob> discovered: laptop?
1387 [13:51:52] <discovered> desktop
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1389 [13:52:09] <luichi> hello
1390 [13:52:15] <luichi> i have a lenovo thinkpad e540 with debian
9 stretch installed upgraded and dist upgraded with bios also
updated to version 2.2.4 and randomly when i resume after suspend
the fan goes full speed during 8 seconds and then system shutdowns i
want to know which logs to look to report the bug (in debian 8
jessie it didnt happen)
1391 [13:52:15] <luichi> here is the output of sudo journalctl -p
3 -xb
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1395 [13:55:21] <discovered> I had bad experience with sound in
previous os ...
1396 [13:55:25] <discovered> broken sound
1397 [13:55:54] <discovered> Downloading the netinstall torrent
1398 [13:56:27] <missmbob> discovered: jessie had 3.16 kernel.
stretch has 4.9. pretty big difference so hopefully your sound will
just work
1399 [13:56:49] <discovered> sound problem was in kubuntu
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1401 [13:57:19] <discovered> missmbob, what package i need to
install KDE?
1402 [13:57:55] <missmbob> discovered: installer should run
tasksel which will let you select which de you want
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1404 [13:58:05] <discovered> oh
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1411 [14:01:22] <missmbob> sleep time. good luck
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1414 [14:01:32] <discovered> missmbob, Should i install master
boot ?
1415 [14:02:32] <discovered> *record
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1418 [14:07:35] <discovered> !usb install
1419 [14:07:35] <dpkg> You can install Debian from a USB
stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your
system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the
Installation Guide, see
replaced-url
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1433 [14:12:46] <ofg|brtr> I can see the new mail by issuing the
command mail.
1434 [14:12:59] <ofg|brtr> but I can't get the attachment
1435 [14:13:13] <ofg|brtr> I see the attachment but all are in the
mail file
1436 [14:13:17] <petemc> use mutt
1437 [14:13:25] <ofg|brtr> located at /var/mail/<username>
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1439 [14:14:05] <ofg|brtr> petemc: I did but I have new mail about
6 of those if I do mail command but there are not in mutt
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1441 [14:15:39] <Faulenzer> Did anyone meet the issue with laptop
overheating with stretch after kernel upgrade in May?
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1474 [14:41:54] <Urchin[emacs]> what's the quick way to
restart X server on stretch?
1475 [14:41:58] <Wulf> reboot
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1477 [14:42:14] <Wulf> or alt-sysrq-b
1478 [14:42:41] <Wulf> Urchin[emacs]: or just logout, x server
should restart
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1484 [14:48:00] <Urchin[emacs]> Wulf: it's only displaying a
cursor
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1489 [14:49:26] <Urchin[emacs]> ok, this was weird
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1527 [15:12:24] <james587> is there a date for a debian stretch
point release?
1528 [15:12:52] <aexl> hi since the upgrade to stretch (stable) i
can't open archives with file-roller. if the file ends with for
example apk or xpi file-roller says "not supported". but
if i rename the file i can open it without problems. is there any
other workaround beside renaming?
1529 [15:13:02] <hubot> Hi!
1530 [15:13:27] <aexl> james587: point release? i think on 20 june
it became stable.
1531 [15:13:46] <james587> 17th june
1532 [15:13:51] <Eduard_Munteanu> Is there going to be a backport
for nodejs? I see the current one in stretch is plagued by security
issues and some things like npm aren't available.
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1537 [15:15:04] <aexl> james587: right. was that your question?
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1540 [15:16:25] <Eduard_Munteanu> Or should I go with sid's
npm?
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1542 [15:17:51] <nkuttler> ,v nodejs
1543 [15:17:52] <judd> Package: nodejs on amd64 --
wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2;
jessie-backports: 4.8.2~dfsg-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.8.2~dfsg-1;
buster: 4.8.3~dfsg-1; sid: 4.8.3~dfsg-1; experimental: 6.11.0~dfsg-1
1544 [15:18:21] <Urchin[emacs]> it seems like my CPU is stuck on
power save mode after the upgrade to stretch, this significantly
reduces the performance
1545 [15:19:40] <Eduard_Munteanu> ,v npm
1546 [15:19:41] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- sid: 1.4.21+ds-2;
jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2
1547 [15:19:53] <aexl> nkuttler: hi
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1556 [15:23:19] <aexl> Urchin[emacs]: output of "cat
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/policy0/stats/time_in_state"?
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1565 [15:26:09] <Thasan> ,v debhelper
1566 [15:26:10] <judd> Package: debhelper on amd64 -- wheezy:
9.20120909; jessie-security: 9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie:
9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 10.2.5~bpo8+1; buster: 10.2.5;
stretch: 10.2.5; sid: 10.6.1
1567 [15:26:20] <Urchin[emacs]> aexl: 1600000 542 800000 305479
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1569 [15:27:10] <aexl> Urchin[emacs]: output of "cat
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/policy0/scaling_available_governors"?
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1571 [15:29:03] <Urchin[emacs]> aexl: ondemand performance
schedutil
1572 [15:29:43] <aexl> Urchin[emacs]: output of "cat
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/policy0/scaling_governor"?
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1575 [15:30:11] <Urchin[emacs]> aexl: ondemand
1576 [15:31:17] <aexl> Urchin[emacs]: i don't recommend
putting it into "performance". but if you have problems
try here:
replaced-url
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1579 [15:31:34] <Urchin[emacs]> ok
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1583 [15:32:08] <Urchin[emacs]> I'll look into it
1584 [15:32:11] <Urchin[emacs]> thanks
1585 [15:32:32] <Urchin[emacs]> it took me a while to identify
what this problem even was
1586 [15:32:37] <aexl> yeah terrible
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1591 [15:33:35] <aexl> you could also try some plugins for your
desktop manager. there's an extension for gnome that monitors
and can control the scaling governor.
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1593 [15:33:59] <Urchin[emacs]> lol, I'm using ratpoison
1594 [15:34:10] <Urchin[emacs]> not exactly known for plugins
1595 [15:34:15] <aexl> oh okay
1596 [15:34:53] <aexl> good luck
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1598 [15:35:45] <aexl> Urchin[emacs]: what's your device?
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1601 [15:36:46] <Urchin[emacs]> a fairly ancient laptop with a
1.6GHz dual core Turion
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1604 [15:37:42] <aexl> nice
1605 [15:37:56] <aexl> i386 with stretch?
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1608 [15:39:47] <Urchin[emacs]> it's 64 bit
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1610 [15:40:16] <Urchin[emacs]> that's pretty much the
weakest dual core amd64 CPU ever built
1611 [15:40:23] <Urchin[emacs]> screen is nice, though
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1615 [15:41:39] <aexl> nice. i got an old laptop (2008) that is 32
bit but i can't get debian running. it runs but the screen
freezes after some minutes. maybe a hardware failure.
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1622 [15:44:03] <aexl> 2004 i meant ...
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1627 [15:45:18] <Urchin[emacs]> ah, mine was from late 2006 or
early 2007
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1633 [15:49:29] <BluesKaj> aexl, graphics chip might require a
proprietary driver
1634 [15:50:13] <Urchin[emacs]> or the proprietary driver may no
longer be supported
1635 [15:50:23] <aexl> :D yeah right. i was just searching for the
right phrase.
1636 [15:50:29] <Urchin[emacs]> (happened to my graphics chip)
1637 [15:50:45] <aexl> strange thing is that it starts. i can even
see the gnome desktop ...
1638 [15:50:50] <Urchin[emacs]> fortunately, there is an open
source driver for mine
1639 [15:51:07] <Urchin[emacs]> but it doesn't support 2D
acceleration
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1642 [15:52:28] <aexl> something like firmware-linux-nonfree :(
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1648 [15:57:10] <aexl> for this system i just copied
/lib/firmware/radeon/ it's somewhat faster with this.
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1651 [15:57:45] <dvs> aexl, for a Radeon what?
1652 [15:57:49] <Urchin[emacs]> from cpufreq-info: current policy:
frequency should be within 800 MHz and 800 MHz.
1653 [15:57:54] <Urchin[emacs]> I think I see the problem
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1660 [16:02:40] <aexl> dvs: ATI Radeon X1300/X1550 Pro [RV516]
(this system is from 2007 ...)
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1666 [16:04:58] <whathappen> Is ip addr the replacement for
ifconfig ?
1667 [16:05:25] <missmbob> yes. you can still get ifconfig if you
must. net-tools package
1668 [16:05:53] <aexl> and where to get ip addr?
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1671 [16:06:49] <aexl> or it just runs. still using /sbin/ifconfig
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1674 [16:07:59] <dvs> aexl, I think your video card is a hair too
old for the firmware. The earliest RV code that I can see is RV610.
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1679 [16:09:43] <aexl> dvs: oh this system runs alright
(r300_cp.bin). i just have a problem with an even older laptop. not
sure what hardware ...
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1682 [16:12:58] <Urchin[emacs]> I can't change the
scaling_max_freq from 800MHz
1683 [16:14:06] <at0m> Urchin[emacs]: and grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo
returns 800? or 1600?
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1685 [16:14:39] <Urchin[emacs]> 800 all the time
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1687 [16:15:15] <Urchin[emacs]> cpufreq-info does report that at
one point the speed was at 1.60GHz
1688 [16:15:33] <Urchin[emacs]> but it's set to only allow
800MHz
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1691 [16:16:10] <aexl> maybe package linux-cpupower?
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1693 [16:16:44] <aexl> "It replaces "cpufreq-info"
and "cpufreq-set" in cpufrequtils."
1694 [16:17:02] <Urchin[emacs]> installing
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1703 [16:21:55] <Urchin[emacs]> aexl: it does the identical thing,
but gives less info
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1710 [16:24:25] <aexl> guh sry
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1712 [16:24:59] <Urchin[emacs]> anyway, thans for trying
1713 [16:26:12] <aexl> try the hard way setting
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_min_freq? idk if
that's possible.
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1718 [16:27:12] <aexl> have you read the rest of the article?
maybe there's still a chance.
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1725 [16:31:41] <Urchin[emacs]> I'm trying to find a way
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1729 [16:33:51] <aexl> cpufreq-set in the first link
1730 [16:34:03] <Urchin[emacs]> I've already used that
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1733 [16:34:47] <aexl> hmm okay good luck
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1737 [16:38:06] <xa> hi
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1741 [16:38:28] <dvs> lo
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1747 [16:40:42] <hiya> Guy, useradd <USERNAME> -M -s
/bin/false
1748 [16:41:00] <hiya> would it create a user with least rights
possible?
1749 [16:41:41] <dvs> hiya, what rights do you want them to not
have?
1750 [16:41:57] <hiya> I want to grant a SSH SOCK5 proxy to
someone
1751 [16:42:06] <hiya> so that they can ssh -D
1752 [16:42:17] <hiya> but I want no logs on the servers and no
rights to create a file etc
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1754 [16:43:15] <dvs> hiya, Id think that using /bin/false as a
shell would be enough to not let them login to the server (but
I'm not a security expert)
1755 [16:43:37] <hiya> ok I need to add -l as well
1756 [16:43:46] <hiya> so -Ml
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1767 [16:47:44] <discovered> Took more than 4 hours to download
KDE desktop
1768 [16:48:18] <Faulenzer> dial-up connections are still alive?
1769 [16:48:42] <discovered> This is so called 4g here
1770 [16:49:07] <Faulenzer> Ah, next gen dial-up
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1772 [16:49:41] <discovered> hmm.. speed 50Kb to 500Kb
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1774 [16:50:55] <discovered> I think you got 400+MBPS Faulenzer ?
1775 [16:52:11] <Faulenzer> Frankly speaking, I have completely no
idea, never tried to measure. Had no recent experience of
downloading something for hours
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1777 [16:52:20] <dvs> discovered, iso?
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1779 [16:52:32] <discovered> Should i install GRUB to master boot
record? I did this with live cd and it was failed to boot.
1780 [16:52:37] <discovered> dvs, netinstall
1781 [16:52:45] <dvs> good
1782 [16:53:04] <dvs> discovered, how big is the file?
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1788 [16:54:09] <discovered> Now i am worried, it is asking if i
want to install GRUB to the MASTER boot record. I did it with live
DVD and now i can't boot the windows 10. dvs what should i do?
YES or NO
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1790 [16:55:33] <mtn> discovered, I imagine your bios/efi settings
are for uefi boot, not mbr.
1791 [16:55:50] <mtn> discovered, can you boot into debian?
1792 [16:55:58] <discovered> No
1793 [16:56:03] <kang0> (kang0) What's use of sync and sparse
option on dd command
1794 [16:56:07] <discovered> it just stucked at grub mtn
1795 [16:56:09] <kang0> (kang0) Are those options available with
other commands?
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1797 [16:56:14] <mtn> discovered, so, you did not install grub at
all?
1798 [16:56:38] <mtn> discovered, it is not recommended to install
debian with the live disk. it is best to use the netinstall
1799 [16:57:09] <discovered> mtn, now i am using netinstall. I
already have windows 10.
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1801 [16:57:26] <mtn> discovered, and it still fails to install
grub?
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1803 [16:58:06] <discovered> mtn, no... Just waitingto choose
Yes/No for master boot record.
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1806 [16:58:32] <mtn> discovered, well, is your bios/efi settings
for legacy or efi boot? windows will want efi
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1808 [16:59:13] <discovered> I did not check. my mobo is asus x99.
Everything has default
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1811 [16:59:40] <_systemd_is_evil> how's going
1812 [16:59:40] <mtn> discovered, better go look ;) if efi, then
you will not install grub to mbr
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1815 [17:00:35] <discovered> If i restart my computer then i have
to start from first and wait another 4 hours to download all files
1816 [17:00:44] <mtn> discovered, and is secure boot off? it
should be
1817 [17:00:50] <discovered> yes
1818 [17:02:03] <mtn> discovered, well, you can take the option of
installing to the mbr and see what happens. the netinstal has a
rescue option to go fix problems after the reboot
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1822 [17:02:48] <discovered> Yes, you guys are here to help :)
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1824 [17:05:03] <discovered> Should i take off the usb before
boot? (in case mbr did not work)!!!
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1827 [17:07:02] <discovered> mtn, i am stuck
1828 [17:07:15] <mtn> discovered, care to explain?
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1830 [17:07:20] <discovered> it is giving me grub command line.
1831 [17:07:47] <discovered> it says, GNU GRUB version
2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.11
1832 [17:08:03] <mtn> discovered, that is not debian is it?
1833 [17:08:04] <discovered> and command line grub>
1834 [17:08:10] <discovered> it is debian
1835 [17:08:13] <discovered> debian 9
1836 [17:08:37] <mtn> discovered, look at your bios settings now.
what kind of boot are you doing?
1837 [17:09:22] <discovered> checking
1838 [17:10:41] <discovered> secure boot is enabled
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1840 [17:11:23] <mtn> discovered, you said it was off
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1842 [17:12:29] <discovered> I did not check bios options before
very carefully. Boot from storage devices : Legacy Only
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1845 [17:13:24] <mtn> discovered, sorry, I need to go. see if you
can use the rescure mode to fix your grub install.
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1848 [17:13:45] <discovered> I have another thing that is bit
confusing
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1851 [17:14:38] <discovered> Boot Priority showing 2
Ubuntu(P1:ADATA SX930) . It should not be exist
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1854 [17:16:21] <discovered> hey guys... I can boot. If i select
manually the boot device
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1857 [17:17:43] <discovered> I need a hand here to fix this please
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1861 [17:18:24] <|DM|> So, I've got debian sid running with
ryzen and a rx 560
1862 [17:18:31] <|DM|> Now I'm wondering how to get opencl
running
1863 [17:18:41] <|DM|> I installed the firmware, and the gpu is
being used to render
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1872 [17:21:29] <littlebit_> hi people I have installed debian
32bit onto my laptop, where I have installed the most basic needs,
only the terminal. All went well but there is no network. ifconfig
tells me: command not found
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1874 [17:22:23] <LtL> littlebit_: try 'ip a '
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1878 [17:23:36] <|DM|> littlebit_, don't forget sudo
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1880 [17:23:48] <|DM|> normal users can't use ifconfig
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1883 [17:24:32] <littlebit_> |DM|: i know that I need to do sudo
but being root and doing an infconfig didn't help
1884 [17:25:34] <|DM|> then I'd agree with LtL try out the ip
command
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1886 [17:25:52] <LtL> |DM|: i can
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1888 [17:26:46] <littlebit_> LtL: how do you then get the
interface up?
1889 [17:26:53] <|DM|> LtL, a root among plebs, the boy who
supered
1890 [17:27:09] <|DM|> I think he was making a joke about normal
users.
1891 [17:27:36] <LtL> littlebit_: i upgraded from Jessie, i assume
ifupdown script does it.
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1893 [17:28:56] <littlebit_> ok
1894 [17:29:00] <littlebit_> thx
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1899 [17:29:48] <LtL> littlebit_: this is not a minimal install
either, also i've read a clean stretch install has changed many
things including interface names. although i doubt thats your
problem. does sudo dmesg say anything about missing firmware?
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1902 [17:31:33] <LtL> this is the first debian release that needs
root privs for dmesg, weird.
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1913 [17:33:14] <discovered> ...
1914 [17:33:15] <|DM|> So, anyone have suggestions on getting
openCL/numa running for either a ryzen or rx 560 (artic islands) ?
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1925 [17:39:01] <qqumber> i feel a great amount of shame upon
myself. I'm not sure whta it is, but I feel it.
1926 [17:39:26] <qqumber> I cannot confirm whether it's
because of something I have done or haven't done, it can't
be computed.
1927 [17:39:39] <qqumber> who am I? Is that what it is about? Who
I am?
1928 [17:40:01] <at0m> qqumber: no idea, but you're in
#debian not #debian-offtopic
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1934 [17:43:06] <|DM|> Well, does someone at least have some
keywords that i can google to figure out how to setup opencl?
1935 [17:45:03] <LtL> |DM|: i cant warranty this but theres many
hits,
replaced-url
1936 [17:45:12] <|DM|> ty
1937 [17:45:21] <LtL> np
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1946 [17:50:34] <whathappen> Is nvidia still better than amd for
3d graphics ?
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1951 [17:52:49] <Faulenzer> about 15 years ago, ATI had poorer
quality drivers. Never tried them since then
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1958 [17:54:22] <whathappen> amd relies on the foss community to
give them drivers
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1965 [17:56:16] <Faulenzer> my personal preference would be Intel
if I need something cheaper
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1970 [17:58:18] <|DM|> I'm not having issues with amd on
linux, both mobile and pc
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1972 [17:58:40] <|DM|> well, aside from having problems getting
opencl up and running but opencl is outdated so...
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1975 [18:01:02] <Faulenzer> |DM| do you mean "cellular
phone" when you say mobile? Or laptop?
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1993 [18:07:35] <|DM|> Faulenzer, laptop
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2000 [18:11:51] <IHaveNoName> rawr
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2004 [18:12:47] <LtL> |DM|: for starters check, apt-cache show
clinfo
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2008 [18:15:17] <Faulenzer> |DM| Does your laptop have two video
adapters, like intel and amd? Or just amd? I am curious because
nVidia-based laptops often have this, and from the configuration
perspective it is easier to have just one :)
2009 [18:15:33] <password4> Hi
2010 [18:15:48] <Faulenzer> password4: hi
2011 [18:15:50] <password4> Can i ask some networking adice here ?
2012 [18:16:02] <password4> Advice*
2013 [18:16:28] <password4> ##networking is going on about
politics
2014 [18:16:41] <at0m> gnaa has another meeting there?
2015 [18:16:42] <th0r> password4, try just asking the question
2016 [18:16:47] <LtL> password4: debian? of course you can
2017 [18:17:06] <|DM|> Faulenzer, yes, the laptop had an intel
iGPU and a seperate amd GPU
2018 [18:17:12] <password4> I want to route internet through my
server so desktop --- server --- wifi router
2019 [18:17:27] <|DM|> I agree, it is *much* easier to have just
one, which is why I went with a CPU that doesnt have an iGPU for my
PC build
2020 [18:17:34] <password4> What gateway does my desktop need and
what routes should i add?
2021 [18:17:43] <|DM|> LtL, I have clinfo installed
2022 [18:17:57] <|DM|> I got opencl running on the card, but
hashcat hates it so its not going to work
2023 [18:18:06] <|DM|> And they don't use vulkan either, but
I got vulkan to work
2024 [18:18:12] <|DM|> Guess I'm using john instead then.
2025 [18:18:12] <th0r> password4, your desktop will simply use the
server ip as its gateway address
2026 [18:18:27] <password4> Hmm
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2030 [18:19:09] <password4> do i need to add a route on my server
then
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2033 [18:19:35] <th0r> password4, your server will have to be set
up to do ip masq I believe.
2034 [18:19:54] <password4> Fun
2035 [18:20:02] <password4> Ive never done that before
2036 [18:20:41] <th0r> password4, there is plenty of info on the
web about how to configure that. I don't recall how it was done
offhand
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2038 [18:21:32] <th0r> password4, you might also consider running
at least basic iptables rules for a firewall
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2046 [18:22:50] <th0r> password4, look for 'iptables for
linux', there is tons of info including rulesets you can use
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2048 [18:23:37] <password4> Ive been finding a lot of half written
guides....
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2050 [18:24:59] <loeken> password4, echo 1 >
/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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2052 [18:25:10] <loeken> iptables -A FORWARD -m state --state
RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
2053 [18:25:10] <loeken> iptables -A FORWARD -s 10.9.1.0/24 -j
ACCEPT
2054 [18:25:25] <loeken> ro route traffic from 10.9.1.0/24 to
internet
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2057 [18:26:33] <paqcito> Hi, I'm starting with
virtualization. What do you recommend me to learn? Since I'm
looking forward to become a Linux SysAdmin.
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2065 [18:27:35] <password4> loeken what ae those ips referring to?
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2072 [18:30:07] <Faulenzer> password4: yeah, when I looked through
this topic about twenty years ago, I found freebsd firewall much
easier for understanding than linux one. I am not surprised if the
situation is still the same. However I do believe there are good
guides in internet. It's Debian, there should be something more
or less good.
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2074 [18:32:01] <hanasaki> help please fixing bluetooth: syslog
says the drivers are loaded OK however the gnome control panel shows
now devices on scan
2075 [18:32:20] <Faulenzer> firmware perhaps?
2076 [18:32:22] <hanasaki> [ 2.479716] Bluetooth: hci0: BCM20702A1
(001.002.014) build 1479
2077 [18:32:23] <hanasaki> [ 2.485102] bluetooth hci0: firmware:
direct-loading firmware brcm/BCM20702A1-13d3-3404.hcd
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2079 [18:33:34] <password4> Hmm
2080 [18:34:04] <loeken> password4, 10.9.0.0/24 is the subnet you
want to forward to the internet
2081 [18:34:39] <loeken> aka the wifi in your example, you
probably hae another range set tehre
2082 [18:34:48] <password4> so subnet of my desktop
2083 [18:35:02] <Faulenzer> hanasaki: it could be the situation,
that you have wrong firmware loaded. From another chip, perhaps
2084 [18:35:08] <password4> I tried it , but cant ping wifi router
2085 [18:35:09] <loeken> no the wifi, you want the wifi traffic to
be forwarded
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2089 [18:36:27] <password4> Woops , how do i clear the wrong rule
then?
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2091 [18:36:48] <password4> And to be clear i set all this up on
my server?
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2099 [18:39:34] <at0m> indeed. on the clients, set server IP as
gateway
2100 [18:40:02] <password4> Hmm i did all that , no routing
2101 [18:40:11] <th0r> password4, just to be clear, when you moved
the ethernet from your wifi router to your server, did you plug the
server into the same port on the wifi router?
2102 [18:40:19] <th0r> password4, if so....it is wrong
2103 [18:40:20] <password4> It goes upto eth0 of the server
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2106 [18:40:45] <password4> Th0r?
2107 [18:41:02] <password4> i did not change anything like that
2108 [18:41:09] <yuvadm> what's the 'right' way to
install python 3.6 system-wide for use in virtualenvs? i don't
want to override /usr/bin/python, just want /usr/bin/python3.6
available
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2110 [18:41:29] <password4> I was using squid all this time to
route through my server
2111 [18:42:08] <password4> My server has a wifi dongle in it ,
the Only cable is the lan between server and desktop
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2118 [18:42:58] <password4> Can i pastebin my iptables and network
settings?
2119 [18:43:09] <loeken> yes
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2121 [18:44:19] <th0r> loeken, I don't know if he can do it
that way...the server will have the same network on both ends
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2128 [18:48:04] <password4>
replaced-url
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2165 [19:10:27] <password4> Oh well
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2202 [19:27:32] <discovered> Can anyone help me to repair the
grub...please
2203 [19:28:19] <bedah> sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub
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2214 [19:32:13] <Wulf> discovered: update-grub
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2216 [19:32:41] <|DM|> I cant find libssl or libcrypto anywhere
2217 [19:32:51] <|DM|> I've installed and reinstalled libssl
so many times
2218 [19:32:54] <|DM|> help ;-;
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2221 [19:34:07] <at0m> |DM|: libssl1.1
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2224 [19:35:37] <|DM|> yes, that's what I've installed
and reinstalled
2225 [19:35:44] <at0m> hmm
2226 [19:35:46] <|DM|> but I cannot find libssl or libcrypto in
/usr/lib or /lib
2227 [19:36:01] <|DM|> and a program I'm trying to run
depends on libcrypto so it wont run
2228 [19:36:16] <|DM|> but obviously its somewhere, since like
half the packages depend on ssl
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2232 [19:37:30] <|DM|> and the openssl command exists and is
running
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2234 [19:38:03] <mtn> discovered, try this:
replaced-url
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2236 [19:39:10] <LtL> |DM|:
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.1
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2239 [19:40:28] <LtL> |DM|: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypto.so
2240 [19:40:37] <|DM|> mango@moko:/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu$ ls |grep
ssl
2241 [19:40:40] <|DM|> prints out nothing
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2244 [19:41:30] <LtL> |DM|: use find /usr/ -iname
'libssl*'
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2247 [19:42:07] <|DM|> that prints out multiple lines
2248 [19:42:26] <|DM|> some of them in/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/
2249 [19:42:33] <LtL> |DM|: it should
2250 [19:42:45] <|DM|> Right, but then why can't I find them
with ls O.o
2251 [19:43:01] <|DM|> And why cant the dynamic loader find them
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2258 [19:44:51] <LtL> |DM|: i've had that happen compiling
and you need to add -=/path/to/libssl.whatever or soething like
that, even though it's there
2259 [19:45:12] <LtL> *something
2260 [19:45:27] <|DM|> But I dont understand why ls doesnt show it
2261 [19:46:08] <LtL> |DM|: recursive maybe?
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2264 [19:46:17] <LtL> needs to be
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2266 [19:46:44] <LtL> nm, youre in the dir.. i dunno
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2270 [19:47:13] <|DM|> going to try restarting...
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2274 [19:48:03] <LtL> it does
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2278 [19:50:20] <|DM|> rebooting magically fixed it
2279 [19:50:20] <LtL> |DM|: ls /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ |grep
libssl*
2280 [19:50:31] <LtL> |DM|: works
2281 [19:51:07] <LtL> |DM|: updatedb might have worked instead
2282 [19:51:14] <|DM|> ls /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ |grep
libssl.* works
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2284 [19:51:24] <|DM|> ls doesnt use db does it?
2285 [19:51:33] <LtL> i dunno
2286 [19:51:48] <LtL> |DM|: that cmd worked here
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2288 [19:52:07] <|DM|> weird.
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2295 [19:54:36] <discovered> mtn, At installing time i booted the
usb in legacy mode instead UEFI.
2296 [19:55:08] <mtn> discovered, and installed debian using
legacy boot, right?
2297 [19:55:16] <discovered> yes
2298 [19:55:52] <mtn> discovered, ok, then fix your mbr grub
install
2299 [19:56:01] <discovered> How i do this?
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2301 [19:56:34] <mtn> discovered, try this:
replaced-url
2302 [19:56:57] <discovered> I can boot windows and debian . but i
need to select them from bios boot option
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2304 [19:57:33] <mtn> discovered, so, change your boot order in
the bios settings, so it is booting off of the hard drive
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2315 [19:59:17] <discovered> mtn, The windows boot should be
listed in debian grub. I think the previous ubuntu mbr not deleted?
Because i see two ubuntu boot list still exist there.
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2317 [19:59:46] <mtn> discovered, yes, you did not install grub
correctly. as I told you a long time ago
2318 [19:59:46] <discovered> in boot device list
2319 [20:00:06] <jelly> those are just entries in efi boot
2320 [20:00:14] <discovered> to fix it i can use Super Grub2 Disk
... right
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2322 [20:00:19] <discovered> ?
2323 [20:00:25] <jelly> there's a way to delete them, but I
have no idea how
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2325 [20:00:51] <jelly> use efibootmgr and read its manual
carefully before doing something silly
2326 [20:01:12] <discovered> mtn, i just followed the normal way
when installed debian
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2334 [20:08:22] <mtn> discovered, I just thought of something.
turn your bios back to efi start and then repair grub. it won't
work as legacy boot.
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2338 [20:09:32] <discovered> mtn, I checked the bios . Boot
control device is set to UEFI & Legacy ... Other option
avaliable is UEFI only and Legacy Only
2339 [20:09:32] <jelly> oh, discovered has grub-pc installed
instead of grub-efi-amd64?
2340 [20:10:00] <jelly> discovered: which grub packages do you
have installed
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2343 [20:10:20] <discovered> jelly, grub2?
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2345 [20:11:27] <discovered> in /boot/grub i see grub.cfg ...
should it not be there efi file too?
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2350 [20:12:48] <discovered> mtn, I tried to use rescue mode ...
Most of partition can't mount
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2352 [20:13:22] <jelly> discovered: dpkg -l grub\* |grep ^.i
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2355 [20:14:45] <discovered> jelly,
replaced-url
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2369 [20:19:29] <discovered> partitions :
replaced-url
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2376 [20:23:34] <discovered> jelly, any advice?
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2387 [20:26:00] <MagikaRosy>
replaced-url
2388 [20:26:01] <MagikaRosy>
replaced-url
2389 [20:26:01] <MagikaRosy>
replaced-url
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2391 [20:26:01] <RedSpider>
replaced-url
2392 [20:26:01] <RedSpider>
replaced-url
2393 [20:26:01] <rosario>
replaced-url
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2397 [20:26:16] <Voldenet> *yawn*
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2402 [20:27:26] <wonderer> hi all
2403 [20:27:39] <wonderer> appart form apt-get and chroot
2404 [20:28:25] <wonderer> can i update a kernel by just copying
the kernel files from some other live systems
2405 [20:29:11] <Voldenet> /kind of/
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2407 [20:30:22] <rudi_s> wonderer: If you also copy the modules,
yes. But why not just installed the proper .deb package?
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2409 [20:30:38] <Voldenet> rudi_s: custom kernel, probably
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2412 [20:31:12] <rudi_s> Then better build a .deb for that kernel.
2413 [20:31:26] <rudi_s> make -j10 deb-pkg
2414 [20:32:48] <wonderer> oh
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2417 [20:33:07] <wonderer> just download the kernel files form deb
package?
2418 [20:33:23] <rudi_s> wonderer: What do you mean?
2419 [20:33:23] <wonderer> one reason i cant use convential way is
due to fact serve ris offline
2420 [20:33:33] <wonderer> <rudi_s> wonderer: If you also
copy the modules, yes. But why not just installed the proper .deb
package?
2421 [20:33:35] <rudi_s> make -j10 deb-pkg is to be used in the
kernel source.
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2423 [20:33:50] <wonderer> ?
2424 [20:33:55] <rudi_s> wonderer: I'm confused.
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2426 [20:33:57] <Voldenet> wonderer: if you want to just upgrade
the kernel offline, you can fetch the deb package
2427 [20:34:02] <wonderer> yea am too
2428 [20:34:13] <wonderer> cool thx Voldenet
2429 [20:34:20] <wonderer> thx rudi_s :)
2430 [20:34:28] <rudi_s> np
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2432 [20:34:35] <rudi_s> There are few tools to help with offline
hosts.
2433 [20:34:45] <rudi_s> But nowadays that's rarely relevant.
Why is the host offline?
2434 [20:34:54] <rudi_s> And how do you perform updates on an
offline host?
2435 [20:34:55] <wonderer> doe sit matter
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2438 [20:36:18] <|DM|> Still can't get opencl to run on ryzen
2439 [20:36:20] <rudi_s> Well, what I'm saying is, don't
run a system without updates even if it's an "offline
host".
2440 [20:36:31] <rudi_s> That doesn't make it more secure,
but less secure.
2441 [20:36:37] <|DM|> clinfo shows it can see/use the gpu, but
hashcat is complaining. But hashcat could just be shit.
2442 [20:36:53] <|DM|> Anyone here manage to get opencl running
with ryzen on debian stretch/sid ?
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2444 [20:37:19] <Voldenet> rudi_s has the point, no updates
don't make the system secure at all
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2447 [20:38:14] <Voldenet> (it's harder to exploit the
offline system)
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2449 [20:38:52] <jelly> wonderer: yes it matters. Do you mean
it's merely not connected to internet, it's powered off,
you're going to apply updates by putting the disk in a
different machine or what?
2450 [20:39:30] <jelly> there are utilities to help updating a
system that's merely not connected to internet,
2451 [20:39:33] <jelly> !apt-zip
2452 [20:39:34] <dpkg> Update a non-networked computer using apt
and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs
in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline>
<apt-walkabout>.
replaced-url
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2462 [20:41:35] <jelly> wonderer: and there are other options, see
/msg dpkg apt offline, /msg dpkg apt-walkabout
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2466 [20:43:05] <wonderer> thx
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2472 [20:45:11] <wonderer> The kernel/module update is required to
ensure the OS works across a migration to new host hw
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2476 [20:46:36] <wonderer> i also like to lear of a way to ensure
apt doesnt update/upgrade when its done manualy by a sys admin
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2480 [20:47:18] <wonderer> to ensure nothing breaks form an update
going forward
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2482 [20:49:22] <wonderer> jelly can u give me an example of a
kernel download i can download and install
2483 [20:49:37] <wonderer> just need s ource url so i know what
file/webpage to look for
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2495 [20:53:25] <Limebyte> fucking wankers
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2498 [20:53:28] <Limebyte> stop tagging me
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2507 [20:56:37] <wonderer> Limebyte how about toning down the
language
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2510 [20:59:25] <rudi_s> wonderer:
packages.debian.org/linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64 (for stretch,
linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 for jessie) and "follow" the
download links.
2511 [20:59:35] <rudi_s> However the files are not signed so you
will be basically downloading untrusted code.
2512 [20:59:50] <rudi_s> (Normally APT will verify that, but if
you just install it with dpkg that won't happen.)
2513 [21:00:04] <wonderer> thx rudi_s
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2516 [21:00:42] <rudi_s> Either you do it manually or you think
about connecting the host temporarily to the internet (if possible)
or use one of the alternatives jell<tab> mentioned.
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2531 [21:06:26] <hanasaki> Faulenzer: about the bluetooth and
firmware.. how do I check it?
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2546 [21:11:49] <f-a> hello. I can connect to the internet, but
when I do connect: Network is unreachable
2547 [21:12:04] <f-a> welp, when I do `ping6 google.com` I get
connect: Network is unreachable
2548 [21:12:38] <rudi_s> f-a: Any IPv6 routes? ip -6 r
2549 [21:12:54] <rudi_s> You should get a default route.
2550 [21:13:03] <f-a> rudi_s: fe80::/64 dev wlp2s0 proto kernel
metric 256 pref medium
2551 [21:13:39] <rudi_s> f-a: No default route.
2552 [21:13:49] <rudi_s> So you won't have any IPv6
connectivity.
2553 [21:14:03] <f-a> :s I see thanks
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2556 [21:14:52] <rudi_s> f-a: You need an IPv6 router which either
uses DHCPv6 or SLAAC to distribute IPv6 routes.
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2561 [21:15:46] <rudi_s> (Well or ttatic default routes.)
2562 [21:15:49] <rudi_s> *static
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2564 [21:18:21] <Dagger> nitpick: neither DHCPv6 or SLAAC can do
routes. routes are done by RAs
2565 [21:18:37] <Dagger> but yeah, you'll certainly need a
route to the v6 internet if you want to reach the v6 internet
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2577 [21:30:39] <afuentes> Does postfix run in a chroot in jessie
by default?
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2584 [21:34:07] <jelly> afuentes: yes
2585 [21:34:12] <thecat> I have chromium 59 in Stretch
2586 [21:34:26] <thecat> how can I enable lash plugin ?
2587 [21:34:33] <thecat> flash plugin
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2590 [21:35:33] <missmbob>
replaced-url
2591 [21:35:54] <thecat> all howtos that I found seem to be
outdated, and contradict each other
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2593 [21:37:03] <dw1> created a stretch live usb now want to put
rt2870.bin on it for ease of install but it's stuck on read
only and hdparm -r0 doesn't help. is my flash drive dying lol
2594 [21:37:17] <aexl> missmbob: this needs sudo right?
2595 [21:38:04] <afuentes> thanks jelly
2596 [21:38:22] <missmbob> aexl: i dont know. i did it as root
intending for a system install
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2598 [21:39:18] <jelly> afuentes: having chroot enabled for most
postfix services is one thing debian's config does different
from upstream
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2613 [21:46:14] <afuentes> I see jelly, its the first line in
/usr/share/doc/postfix/README.Debian too
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2615 [21:46:38] <afuentes> although it doesnt say much about the
chroot itself in there
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2619 [21:47:54] <afuentes> I finally manage to put the right paths
to make dkim work... yay!
2620 [21:47:55] <lat3n8ta> i did a fresh install of stretch and
things have indeed changed. iwconfig wlp2s0 rate 11M does not change
the rate to 11M. how can i change the rate of my wireless interface
on stretch?
2621 [21:48:55] <hiroki> How long (in general) for a package from
testing to move to stable ?
2622 [21:49:16] <missmbob> 2.5yrs
2623 [21:49:35] <missmbob> stable doesnt get new packages.
that's why it's stable
2624 [21:49:57] <hiroki> missmbob: Sorry, I meant package updates
:)
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2628 [21:50:34] <missmbob> there arent any. just big security
fixes
2629 [21:51:06] <hiroki> Ah, alright, thanks for the info
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2634 [21:54:13] <aexl> small security fixes are also patched via
security.debian.org
2635 [21:54:27] <ryouma> 2.5y? isn't that release to release?
or is pre-freeze sluggish?
2636 [21:54:44] <f-a> since updating to stretch I have a troubles
encrypting/decrypting gpg emails with mutt (could not decrypt
email). Is anyone here using mutt? If so, could you share the
relevant portion o muttrc so I can cannibalise it?
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2654 [22:03:50] <aexl> anybody got mlb.tv working? i tried firefox
52.2.0 and google-chrome-stable 57.0.2987.110-1 both with
flashplayer 26.0.0.131. i only get audio.
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2667 [22:11:30] <rudi_s> f-a: Did you check the news file in
/usr/share/doc/mutt?
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2669 [22:12:03] <negatratoron> just installed gimp, menus are
invisible
replaced-url
2670 [22:12:09] <negatratoron> anybody seen that?
2671 [22:12:35] <aexl> version?
2672 [22:12:37] <f-a> rudi_s: not really, I'll start from
that
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2674 [22:12:54] <negatratoron> gimp 2.8.20
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2676 [22:13:40] <aexl> ,v gimp
2677 [22:13:41] <judd> Package: gimp on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.8.2-2+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.8.2-2+deb7u2; jessie:
2.8.14-1+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.8.14-1+deb8u1; stretch:
2.8.18-1; sid: 2.8.20-1; buster: 2.8.20-1
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2680 [22:14:49] <negatratoron> clicked the invisible file menu
replaced-url
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2725 [22:49:06] <pie3> anyone uses yacy? is it effective than
google?
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2732 [22:55:03] <jelly> ,kernels
2733 [22:55:04] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.11.0-1-686
(4.11.6-1); buster: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686
(4.9.30-2+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686
(4.9.30-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u2);
wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1);
wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-2)
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2736 [22:55:55] <hiroki> Using 'APT::Default-Release
"stable";' and having added 'testing' to
the APT sources list with the goal of adding a single package from
there. Would I need to involve myself with APT pinning using .pref
files in preferences.d, or is the default-release directive in
apt.conf sufficient ?
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2756 [23:02:03] <waresoft> hi
2757 [23:02:16] <waresoft> So I got a very large amount of quite
small files - I want to push them all over SSH onto another server
2758 [23:02:23] <cybrNaut> pie3: "effective" is vague.
If you mean effective at establishing network neutrality, then yes
yacy is the clear winner (it's decentralized)
2759 [23:02:26] <waresoft> upload speed is nice - but I rather
think the many small files cause an overhead
2760 [23:02:30] <waresoft> what tool is best for this task?
2761 [23:02:39] <cybrNaut> google is known to manipulate results
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2763 [23:03:02] <cybrNaut> they were caught manipulating results
during the US political compaign
2764 [23:03:08] <pie3> have you used yacy? cybrNaut
2765 [23:03:17] <ryouma> waresoft: if small files are /really/ a
problem then you could serialize.
2766 [23:03:18] <cybrNaut> pie3: briefly
2767 [23:03:36] <pie3> google gives result what is desired
immediately and in initiall set of pages most of the time
2768 [23:03:41] <pie3> hence i cant avoid it
2769 [23:03:45] <cybrNaut> pie3: i prefer searx.me, b/c yacy is
not yet tor-friendly
2770 [23:03:47] <pie3> i ahvent yet used yach thoguh
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2774 [23:04:10] <cybrNaut> try google on Tor. It sucks
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2776 [23:04:42] <pie3> since i dont care about tor as of now i am
not interested in it
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2778 [23:05:10] <waresoft> ryouma: serialize?
2779 [23:05:14] <ryouma> why no onion for searx?
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2781 [23:05:17] <ryouma> waresoft: tar
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2783 [23:05:37] <pie3> searx dont seem impressive cybrNaut
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2785 [23:05:48] <cybrNaut> pie3: tor helps privacy globally. You
should support it and boycott those who are tor-hostile just to help
whistle-blowers and those doing the world (and you) a service
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2787 [23:06:00] <pie3> i heard tor is slow
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2789 [23:06:15] <cybrNaut> if you're not using it, it
doesn't matter
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2791 [23:06:21] <Guest18807> #ubuntu
2792 [23:06:22] <cybrNaut> either way, you should support it
2793 [23:07:04] <cybrNaut> tor is slow-er than non-tor
connections, of course. For me, it's fast enough
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2798 [23:08:55] <waresoft> What tool/command can upload a large 7z
file and continue in case of connection issues - and even prevents
checksum errors?
2799 [23:09:06] <waresoft> I mean a reliable tool for pushing a
very large file over ssh?
2800 [23:09:12] <ryouma> waresoft: check out rsync
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2809 [23:11:52] <ryouma> waresoft: i can't find continue
optiont though
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2819 [23:17:25] <waresoft> ryouma: will this also prevent
corruption of large file?
2820 [23:17:28] <waresoft> e.g. a 15GB large file
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2822 [23:17:37] <waresoft> it contains many many small files,
hence the large file archive
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2825 [23:17:53] <waresoft> now I want it being uploaded without
corruption - or atleast to upload corrupted parts - not everything
again
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2828 [23:18:51] <waresoft> ok, better upload the many small files?
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