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• 1[00:00:33] <polk> SerajewelKS, bit more specifics plz
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• 3[00:01:18] <SerajewelKS> !blacklist
• 4[00:01:19] <dpkg> To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. replaced-url
• 5[00:01:24] <SerajewelKS> do that ^
• 6[00:01:32] <SerajewelKS> nvidia and nouveau are the modules to blacklist
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• 17[00:05:58] <tw> oh, so I can't change the arguments to dhclient because /usr/sbin/ifup has the argument hardcoded.
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• 19[00:08:40] <polk> SerajewelKS, thx
• 20[00:08:51] <sney> tw: maybe there's something in the docs for ifupdown.
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• 41[00:19:27] <tw> sney: dhcpcd allows it, dhclient has debian bug #924640
• 42[00:19:28] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 43[00:19:36] <tw> err, hmm, that's not the right one.
• 44[00:19:50] <tw> 923640
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• 48[00:20:37] <sney> #923640
• 49[00:20:39] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 51[00:21:35] <sney> if using dhcpcd is a viable workaround then that's probably fine
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• 72[00:39:54] <yazgi> if I'm using Buster, and want to run a newer version of qutebrowser, what is recommended method?
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• 74[00:41:24] <annadane> compile it or download the upstream binary
• 75[00:41:35] <annadane> ,v qutebrowser
• 76[00:41:36] <judd> Package: qutebrowser on amd64 -- buster: 1.6.1-2; bullseye: 1.12.0-1; sid: 1.12.0-1
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• 80[00:42:56] <annadane> debian is only ever meant to be a framework, you use what works for you, sometimes that's old packages, other times you can build on top of what you already have
• 81[00:43:09] <annadane> just don't mix stable with testing and/or sid
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• 88[00:47:05] <alexrelis[m]> Important read: replaced-url
• 89[00:47:05] <alexrelis[m]> Honestly I think this article is good advice to anyone using GNU/Linux and it is often not followed.
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• 93[00:50:29] <alexrelis[m]> yazgi: I recommend installing this flatpak instead: replaced-url
• 94[00:50:29] <alexrelis[m]> My recommended procedure for installing software is this: Official Repos > Backports/Flatpaks/Snaps/AppImages > Pre-Compiled Binaries > Compiling from source with chroot
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• 96[00:52:55] <yazgi> ok thanks
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• 106[01:01:50] <yazgi> so wiki.debian.org says for defaultwebbrowser Gnome or KDE but I'm using xfce so?
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• 127[01:15:59] <nvz> yazgi: I am unable to parse what it is you're after
• 128[01:17:51] <sney> default link handling in xfce? I assume it's in the settings window somewhere
• 129[01:17:57] <nvz> yazgi: the only browser a standard xfce comes with is Firefox (firefox-esr)
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• 131[01:18:50] <sney> yazgi installed some other browser from a flatpak and wants to set it as the default, afaict
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• 134[01:20:28] <yazgi> ran update-alternatives xxx-gnome-browser or so ; it showed 2 firefox versions but xxx-browser showed qutebrowser, so maybe
• 135[01:20:46] <nvz> xfce uses its own perferred app ssytem, launches default browser with exo-open WebBrowser
• 136[01:20:55] <yazgi> i've qb installed already, had a separate question how to get a newer version
• 137[01:21:34] <nvz> by default xfce's system used Debian Sensible Browser which I believe falls back on alternatives
• 138[01:21:48] <yazgi> sudo update-alternatives --config x-replaced-url
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• 142[01:23:46] <nvz> it is if the preferred applications in xfce4-settings-manager is still set to Debian Sensible Browser
• 143[01:23:53] <nvz> otherwise you need to change it there too
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• 149[01:29:18] <n-iCe> ok, I don't get it
• 150[01:29:22] <n-iCe> I installed using snap this, woe-usb
• 151[01:29:24] <n-iCe> how do I run it?
• 152[01:29:36] <n-iCe> I did snap search and found woe-usb v3.3.0 ernytech - WoeUSB is a tool to create Windows USB stick
• 153[01:29:49] <n-iCe> but snap run woe-usb does not work
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• 165[01:37:34] <ddsys> n-iCe: install from github works replaced-url
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• 167[01:38:09] <sney> isn't the windows 10 iso a hybrid image, like debian's? you shouldn't need a special tool unless you're making a custom iso
• 168[01:39:00] <ddsys> i tried copying the win10 iso to usb but couldnt get it to boot
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• 180[01:48:24] <randy408> what's the minimum 32-bit ISA level for stable? in buster's release notes there's notes about some libraries requiring sse2 at release so it has to be lower than i686
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• 196[02:07:28] <alexrelis[m]> ddsys: Did you copy the ISO itself, or the contents of the ISO? Also, what is the partition scheme of the flash drive--MBR or GPT?
• 197[02:08:19] <ddsys> alexrelis[m]: i copied the contents onto ntfs
• 198[02:08:26] <ddsys> usb
• 199[02:08:38] <ddsys> i cant remember mbr or gpt
• 200[02:09:09] <ddsys> i set boot flags
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• 202[02:09:37] <nvz> @.@
• 203[02:11:02] <nvz> guess they left, but fwiw no special tools are required for Win8 and Win10
• 204[02:11:27] <ddsys> i couldnt get it to boot for win10
• 205[02:11:48] <ddsys> woeusb worked though
• 206[02:12:00] <alexrelis[m]> ddsys I believe the partitioning scheme does matter, so if your drive was MBR, try GPT and vise-versa. Also, try fat instead of NTFS.
• 207[02:12:00] <alexrelis[m]> This tutorial uses fat: replaced-url
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• 210[02:12:37] <ddsys> i thought win10 was too big for fat
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• 213[02:14:56] <alexrelis[m]> fat32's size limitation is no greater than 4 GBs for individual files. I'm don't think there's an individual file in that ISO that exceeds 4 GBs, but I'm not entirely sure.
• 214[02:15:22] <ddsys> ok thanks for link alexrelis[m]
• 215[02:15:39] <nvz> ddsys: yeah idk.. it can be a bear I suppose.. I'd done it for my mother's computer but trying to do it again on another one I havent had much luck :P
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• 217[02:16:01] <alexrelis[m]> No problem, bud. In situations like these, it might even be a good idea to burn a dual-layered DVD, lol.
• 218[02:16:46] <ddsys> nvz: woeusb might help
• 219[02:17:34] <ddsys> alexrelis[m]: i gave up on cd/dvd
• 220[02:18:03] <nvz> ddsys: idk maybe I did just mount the iso loopback and copy the crap over to an ntfs partition.. but I can swear I just used cp win10.iso /dev/sdc
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• 222[02:18:49] <ddsys> nvz: i'll try that to
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• 224[02:19:49] <nvz> all I know is I made it on debian, I didnt install anything, and it worked :P
• 225[02:19:55] <nvz> the rest I can't really remember
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• 238[02:36:12] <bigMouthCommie> i am no longer able to ssh into my "headless" system, but was able to less than a week ago. as far as i know i've made no changes, but when using putty on a Win10 machine, it just says "Access denied"
• 239[02:36:27] <bigMouthCommie> i have now attached a monitor and am working directly on the machine.
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• 241[02:37:06] <bigMouthCommie> why might i have problems? i'm using password authentication.
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• 245[02:38:55] <jmcnaught> bigMouthCommie: did you check "journalctl -e -u ssh.service" for errors?
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• 247[02:40:30] <nvz> bigMouthCommie: access denied usually points to an authentication issue, if you're using passwords the first thought is you're typing the wrong password :P
• 248[02:40:54] <nvz> typically if its not accepting passwords the error will say something like Access denied (public key)
• 249[02:41:14] <bigMouthCommie> nvz it is a numeric password, i'm sure i'm typing correctly.
• 250[02:41:44] <nvz> but after checking the obvious, and what jmcnaught suggests, you would probably want to stop the service, manually starte sshd with a debug option, then try running an ssh client with a debug option
• 251[02:42:13] <nvz> though the client side debug probably isnt necessary as an access denied is probably a server side issue
• 252[02:42:21] <bigMouthCommie> in the journalctl output i get lines that end in [preauth]
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• 254[02:43:34] <nvz> bigMouthCommie: sshd[4905]: Connection closed by invalid user tv 10.0.0.18 port 58732 [preauth]
• 255[02:43:38] <nvz> that sort of thing?
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• 259[02:44:21] <bigMouthCommie> Jun 25 20:23:25 wayPoint sshd[6286]: Connection closed by ::1 port 41362 [preauth]
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• 261[02:44:48] <nvz> ahh.. thats different.. that could be a firewall or apparmor or something
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• 263[02:46:08] <bigMouthCommie> i'm sure i wouldn't have changed anything like that. i almost exclusively use this machine for file storage and irc
• 264[02:46:32] <bigMouthCommie> i installed it the week deb10 went full release so maybe it's just time to wipe it
• 265[02:46:47] <nvz> thing is ::1 is localhost..a loopback..
• 266[02:46:59] <nvz> suggests the issue involves some sort of tunnel or reverse ssh
• 267[02:47:40] <bigMouthCommie> yea. i'm gonna go nuke style on this. fun weekend project. thanks for trying to help
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• 279[03:09:52] <Antioch> I'm on buster, what is the correct label to add to apt sources in order to get backports from the next testing release? bullseye-backports?
• 280[03:13:23] <yazgi> looks there is a large upgrade, spit out linux-image and initramfs-tools errors on my other machine
• 281[03:13:38] <yazgi> maybe I should reboot try again?
• 282[03:14:09] <yazgi> /usr/bin/dpkg error code 1
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• 292[03:18:58] <annadane> Antioch, short answer: don't
• 293[03:19:11] <annadane> and also bullseye-backports doesn't exist
• 294[03:19:16] <annadane> backports are taken *from* testing
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• 296[03:21:00] <yazgi> hmm this /bash_completion: no such file is a bug?
• 297[03:21:47] <yazgi> maybe i need to purge it?
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• 300[03:22:29] <yazgi> purge would cleanup .bashrc?
• 301[03:22:40] <nvz> Antioch: buster-backports and limit your use of them as much as possible
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• 304[03:24:02] <nvz> Antioch: it not only complicates dist upgrade to a new release, they also can be slightly higher security concern.. while they are /allowed/ to bypass normal debian security policy and pull fixes from sid, they also are not maintained by the debian security team, and are wholly maintained on a sort of best-effort kind of basis
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• 306[03:25:12] <nvz> yazgi: nothing related to the package system should ever touch a user's configuration or any other files in their homedir
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• 309[03:25:38] <nvz> and will only even touch global configuration after asking first.. if the files have been modified from their original versions
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• 311[03:26:44] <yazgi> nvz: ok well apt upgrade has caused this bigger problem now
• 312[03:27:09] <nvz> dpkg, bat?
• 313[03:27:09] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 331[03:40:35] <Sherpa> dpkg apt?
• 332[03:40:35] <dpkg> Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>.
• 333[03:41:24] <Sherpa> kindly tell me what is needed again
• 334[03:42:24] <joepublic> dpkg, tell sherpa about bat?
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• 337[03:43:51] <annadane> Sherpa, for what?
• 338[03:44:27] <Sherpa> what joe said
• 339[03:44:31] <Antioch> nvz: Thank you for the guidance. There's just one single package I need a more recent version of.
• 340[03:46:56] <Sherpa> replaced-url
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• 344[03:48:30] <Sherpa> replaced-url
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• 347[03:49:22] <Sherpa> replaced-url
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• 349[03:50:20] <Sherpa> replaced-url
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• 359[04:01:35] <Sherpa> anyway there is all the Bat sections asked for , I'll do some web searching
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• 363[04:05:00] <nvz> c=$((0)); for i in axem 7rx1 psuy ghvk; do c=$((c+1)); echo "$c)"; wget -O- "replaced-url
• 364[04:05:03] <nvz> replaced-url
• 365[04:05:23] <nvz> for anyone who rather not look at 4 different links :P
• 366[04:06:11] <nvz> the first one seems incomplete though
• 367[04:06:28] <nvz> there is no error there, and I'm guessing there should be
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• 372[04:12:47] <Sherpa> nvz: yes sir I hadn't added the -y apt-get -y upgrade
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• 380[04:19:35] <Sherpa> apt remove initramfs-tools?
• 381[04:19:45] <Sherpa> seems dangerous
• 382[04:20:43] <dvs> apt --reinstall install initramfs-tools ?
• 383[04:24:59] <Sherpa> hmm no space left on device doh
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• 385[04:26:07] <dvs> that'll do it
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• 387[04:29:44] <Sherpa> had this happen on another machine, timeshift defaults
• 388[04:31:48] <Sherpa> hmm saw the snapshots, now they are gone
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• 390[04:34:46] <alexrelis[m]> Is there a way to report posts from Debian Pastezone?
• 391[04:35:14] <Sherpa> somehow am not sure I want to do this : flatpak remote-add --if-not-exists flathub replaced-url
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• 396[04:37:50] <shouhuanxioaji> Hello, I'm a new Debian maintainer of our company, but I haven't registered Debian maintainer yet. I have pull request some patch to salsa.debian.org, but no one has merged or refused. What should I do to make my submission effective as soon as possible?
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• 400[04:39:24] <dvs> shouhuanxioaji, if the fix isn't a security fix, you're gonna be waiting for a long time.
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• 405[04:42:07] <Sherpa> is 234M large enough for /boot typically?
• 406[04:42:22] <shouhuanxioaji> emm...It's frustrating
• 407[04:42:30] <shouhuanxioaji> Is there any other way for my submission to be verified as soon as possible? Otherwise, I can only submit the patch to the internal software source, and then submit it to the user, but this will aggravate the fragmentation of Debian.
• 408[04:43:53] <Sherpa> there is only 3 kernels in /boot
• 409[04:44:04] <dvs> Sherpa, that's fine
• 410[04:44:45] <Sherpa> 3 kernels fills up /boot ; so guess I must remove one?
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• 412[04:46:16] <dvs> Sherpa, That would be a good idea because you need room for a 4th kernel for upgrading.
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• 416[04:46:54] <Sherpa> just surprised that 3 fills it, in other distros very common to get new kernels
• 417[04:47:11] <dvs> but normally there's only two kernels
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• 419[04:48:38] <Sherpa> oh autoremove usually removes some?
• 420[04:48:53] <dvs> yes
• 421[04:50:19] <Sherpa> ok error gone, :)
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• 423[04:51:00] <Sherpa> any opinion on this flatpak, I hesitate to install things, that might be permanent
• 424[04:51:30] <Sherpa> since this is baremetal
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• 427[04:53:34] <JackMerryYoung> ss
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• 429[04:54:57] <JackMerryYoung> When I try to use chroot in debian,it says "command not found"
• 430[04:55:45] <dvs> !buster su
• 431[04:55:45] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
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• 459[05:25:31] <bigfluff> Debian makes me happy :)
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• 467[05:33:07] <JackMerryYoung> !buster ncurse
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• 489[06:04:51] <Ede|Popede> !buster ncurses
• 490[06:04:56] <Ede|Popede> hm. no?
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• 495[06:07:37] <Ede|Popede> since i'm adding conky now to the system, which means i'm going to replace the panel clock, is there an alternative to conky's? can't remember how laggy it was, i had it on 1s intervals iirc, system load wasn't relevant though they're warning about it. but adding an extra conky instance just for a clock? is there a clock doing just the same thing (writing the time to the desktop) but not being interpreted?
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• 607[08:34:30] <rrn> I'm trying to install Debian onto a computer requiring firmware for the only NIC available for installation
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• 609[08:35:11] <rrn> unfortunately, it appears that the USB flash drive that I attempted to use before is incompatible with the computer, somehow
• 610[08:35:32] <rrn> and I am installing via the one and only optical drive
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• 612[08:36:08] <rrn> Any ideas on how to get the installer to access the firmware?
• 613[08:38:19] <diogenes_> rrn, maybe you need the non-free firmware iso.
• 614[08:38:53] <rrn> diogenes_: Hmm so the fact that it's unofficial is ok?
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• 617[08:40:40] <diogenes_> rrn, 'unofficial' is just kinda disclaimer for not to have legal issues (i think) but inside it's the same.
• 618[08:40:56] <rrn> diogenes_: Ok, thanks, I'll do that.
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• 620[08:43:23] <alexrelis[m]> rrn I recommend using the netinstall. The non-free netinstall if you need firmware. replaced-url
• 621[08:43:54] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: yes, yes, that's what I'm doing
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• 623[08:44:35] <alexrelis[m]> It's my favorite install method. :)
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• 629[08:49:34] <alexrelis[m]> It would be cool if there was a BluRay version of Debian that contained EVERY package. That would be the ultimate install medium. It would also be a huge waste of storage/bandwidth, but maybe viable with jigdo or bittorrent?
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• 638[08:58:54] <miskatonic> I need already all dvds of the stretch dvd series. Buster is said to come with more
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• 641[08:59:20] <Ede|Popede> 16 iirc
• 642[08:59:28] <Ede|Popede> stretch was... 14?
• 643[08:59:34] <Trifecta> Hi, sorry new to termbin replaced-url
• 644[09:00:33] <miskatonic> yeah 14
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• 648[09:02:11] <ratrace> Trifecta: replaced-url
• 649[09:02:18] <tichun> Hi, i i have an idea apt.sources could expand the number of components by the debtags, so instead of downloading a 57696 packages metadata it could be reduced, opt-in, by the removing given debtag packages. Bash completions tends to freeze for few seconds on slower storage when trying to autocomplete 'apt install'. Also, there's less bandwidth required, I see it useful for IoT, servers, SBC, even home users. Those debtags could be added
• 650[09:02:19] <tichun> with a minus sign so it's all easy on the users, so components would look like they do currently, but one could remove given debtag with a minus sign. Example, not everyone needs debian bundled games or else.
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• 663[09:11:10] <Trifecta> ratrace: was a little convoluted but the main page replaced-url
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• 667[09:14:36] <Ede|Popede> tichun: and the shorter lists come from where? getting created individually for each user every single time?
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• 669[09:17:43] <tichun> I'm looking from a user perspective, no in-depth apt knowledge as a developer, but i thought it already does that, you can select any combination of 'main' 'contrib' 'non-free'
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• 671[09:21:51] <Ede|Popede> sure, couple of big files. with all 3 of them used by default it wouldn't really make sense splittng them up.
• 672[09:22:05] <Ede|Popede> was thinking about bigger parts like Gnome/KDE
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• 676[09:22:43] <Ede|Popede> and i'm really curious. would maybe have to find some basic dependencies and then look for packages depending on some of the basic ones
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• 678[09:23:35] <Ede|Popede> iirc there were 3 packages needed in suse years ago for KDE. kdebase and 2 others, so i guess whatever depends on one of them or their dependencies is to be considered KDE.
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• 686[09:28:19] <Ede|Popede> but then the Packages files are tens of MB only, uncompressed. the size of a kernel package or libreoffice core or openjdk
• 687[09:29:01] <Schrostfutz_> Hi, I'm looking to install a custom debian. I need to install some packages for installation, but in the shell I can spawn apt is not available..
• 688[09:29:50] <Ede|Popede> last year or so i stopped updating office and java since i don't really use them anyway and unpacking the .xz archives maxed out my system usage. there were not even enough ressources free to keep IRC connections alive.
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• 690[09:30:35] <manio> hello, I am not understanding what is dpkg telling me, take a look: chromium conflicts with libavcodec58 (= 7:4.3-2) \n libavcodec58:amd64 (version 7:4.3-2) is present and installed. ?????? wtf
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• 692[09:31:18] <Schrostfutz_> manio: You can't install chromium because it conflicts with libavcodec58 which is present and installed
• 693[09:33:46] <manio> Schrostfutz_: ah i was thinking that it needs that, thanks
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• 696[09:35:29] <Schrostfutz_> manio: You might, if you try to remove it your system will tell you whether that introduces some conflicts.
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• 701[09:37:29] <Ede|Popede> -s for simulated (un)install, just to stay safe.
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• 707[09:40:54] <Cymew> Hi I'm trying to use preseed to make a sysinstall fully automated, except for the hostname. I have tried to not have "priority=critical" on my kernel line, and used "d-i netcfg/get_hostname seen false" in the pre-seed file. For some reason I stil don't get prompted for the hostname. I might add this is on ubuntu, so it might be Canonical broke something. If that is the case, I'd love to get it confirmed. But, I hope it's just me
• 708[09:40:56] <Cymew> messing up. Yeah, I tried #ubuntu, but the knowledge level was lacking...
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• 710[09:41:16] <Cymew> Any hints appreciated.
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• 714[09:43:43] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: It doesn't work :(.
• 715[09:43:50] <miskatonic> Canonical always breaks something
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• 717[09:44:05] <Bushmaster> greetings all, I am wondering anyone knows how to install Aptana Studio into Debian, I tried but can't get to install it
• 718[09:44:31] <alexrelis[m]> <rrn "alexrelis: It doesn't work :(."> rrn What specifically isn't working? Networking?
• 719[09:44:36] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: I used firmware-10.4.0-i386-netinst.iso from replaced-url
• 720[09:44:59] <alexrelis[m]> Are you using a 32 bit system?
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• 722[09:45:20] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: the installer goes up to the stage of loading firmware; the same prompt appears; I select the load option, and it fails loading
• 723[09:45:31] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: yes, 32 b x86
• 724[09:46:10] <alexrelis[m]> Do you know what specific firmware it wanted?
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• 726[09:46:20] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: isl3886pci
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• 729[09:50:57] <alexrelis[m]> Did you have a separate flash drive to put the extra firmware file in?
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• 733[09:54:08] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: No, b/c this computer apparently does not support the flash drive that I have readily available.
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• 736[09:57:14] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: It's listed under ``Here is a list of Linux modules requiring firmware to operate, generated automatically from stretch's linux 4.9.0-5-amd64 (Debian 4.9.65-3+deb9u2) kernel. Some firmware files are packaged for Debian, e.g. within firmware-linux-nonfree.'' in the wiki.
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• 739[09:58:23] <testtesttesttest> Hello, do you know if is possible with apt to get only the number package which can be upgraded?
• 740[09:58:28] <alexrelis[m]> rrn: You might want to give it a shot anyway.
• 741[09:58:45] <testtesttesttest> apt list --upgradable give to much information
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• 743[09:59:13] <alexrelis[m]> rrn: replaced-url
• 744[09:59:15] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: the USB flash drive simply does not work on the installation computer, for whatever reason (I tried two ports)
• 745[09:59:22] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: Yes, I am on that page.
• 746[09:59:46] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: this firmware is listed under that heading on that page
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• 750[10:00:04] <Ede|Popede> OMG. a peakock shaking tailfeathers creats 115dB?!?!
• 751[10:00:15] <alexrelis[m]> <rrn "alexrelis: the USB flash drive s"> Under what operating system did you try it on? You sure it doesn't have to do with filesystem incompatibilities?
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• 753[10:00:44] <Ede|Popede> oh. oops. bloody mousebutton. should have switched the channel xD
• 754[10:00:45] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: under BIOS...yes, it does support USB flash drive booting...
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• 757[10:01:47] <testtesttesttest> Hello, do you know if is possible with apt to get only the number package which can be upgraded?
• 758[10:01:49] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: Why isn't this firmware in that augmented unofficial image?
• 759[10:03:01] <rrn> Is there an unofficial image containing all firmware?
• 760[10:03:07] <alexrelis[m]> <rrn "alexrelis: Why isn't this firmwa"> I'm have no idea. It should have everything.
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• 762[10:03:49] <rrn> replaced-url
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• 764[10:04:52] <alexrelis[m]> rrn: What is the OS of the computer you made the bootable USB on?
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• 766[10:05:19] <Ede|Popede> rrn: replaced-url
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• 771[10:05:59] <rrn> Ede|Popede: Oh really? So the non-netinstall variant has more firmware?
• 772[10:06:20] <Ede|Popede> though it would be helpful to have the disk list on the package pages
• 773[10:06:28] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: It should be fine, I dd'ed the official netinstall image.
• 774[10:06:34] <Ede|Popede> rrn: no idea, i never had to use it
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• 776[10:06:56] <mad_moses> Hi, I followed a few tutorials to install apache2 + mardiadb + phpmyadmin. Apache is running and if I navigate to localhost/phpmyadmin/ I see only the content of the php file in my browser. I also installed php7 but I guess I am missing something. Can you help?
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• 778[10:07:44] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: So I can't remove the installation CD, place a CD containing just that firmware, and then swap back the disc?
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• 780[10:08:30] <Ede|Popede> mad_moses: httpd question, but you have to tell it to use php as such, not just deliver it. maybe replaced-url
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• 792[10:10:35] <Ede|Popede> mad_moses: you could grep through /etc/apache2 for "php", there should be something installed (i don't have it atm) which you just have to a2en*
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• 794[10:11:01] <mad_moses> solved my problem: replaced-url
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• 797[10:13:40] <alexrelis[m]> rrn: I would download a firmware.tar.gz (from here: replaced-url
• 798[10:13:40] <alexrelis[m]> firmware.
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• 800[10:14:26] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: ok, thanks
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• 802[10:14:50] <alexrelis[m]> Hopefully that works. I'm sorry that you are having trouble.
• 803[10:15:25] <Cymew> miskatonic: I tend to agree. I have not been impressed with Canonical during this work, and hoped someone here could at least confirm that suspicion.
• 804[10:16:04] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: So I can simply place it in the root directory? And the installer will automatically mount and later unmount?
• 805[10:16:09] <Antioch> I guess I'm too much of a noob, but I am having trouble installing a package from backports. I've run `sudo apt -t buster-backports install [pkg name]` but am told that I've already got the most recent version. Also, when running `sudo apt update` I do see that it hits buster-backports: "Get:19 replaced-url
• 806[10:16:09] <Antioch> buster-backports/main amd64 Packages [328 kB]" -- what am I doing incorrectly?
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• 809[10:17:56] <alexrelis[m]> rrn: It can be either in the root directory of that flash drive or /firmware.
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• 811[10:18:54] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: ok, will try
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• 831[10:41:50] <alexrelis[m]> rrn: Was the installer able to detect the firmware?
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• 835[10:43:18] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: am extracting...
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• 838[10:49:43] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: ok, so I put the flash drive in while the computer is at the same step (load that firmware)
• 839[10:49:59] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: now the flash drive seems to work, so what was before must've been a BIOS compatibility issue
• 840[10:50:27] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: when I select the load option, it appears that the flash drive is being accessed, judging by its status light
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• 842[10:50:45] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: However, loading fails, just as before; and I've retried.
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• 845[10:51:26] <alexrelis[m]> rrn :( oh crud.
• 846[10:53:07] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: that tarball contains a small number of .deb files
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• 848[10:54:18] <alexrelis[m]> What was the exact error you got? Was it that the installer could not find the firmware?
• 849[10:54:56] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: nothing interesting, believe me
• 850[10:55:17] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: in fact, no error msg per se, it simply goes back to the firmware file request
• 851[10:55:47] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: This is what I need: .
• 852[10:55:49] <rrn> p54pci.ko
• 853[10:55:50] <rrn> Prism54 PCI wireless driver
• 854[10:55:52] <rrn> isl3886pci
• 855[10:56:53] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: Oh here it is: replaced-url
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• 857[11:00:31] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: but it doesn't give instructions for during OS installation...
• 858[11:00:45] <alexrelis[m]> Could you install via ethernet?
• 859[11:01:07] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: No, it also requires such firmware.
• 860[11:01:41] <alexrelis[m]> What distro are you using currently?
• 861[11:02:03] <rrn> 64 b x86 Ubuntu
• 862[11:02:28] <diogenes_> rrn, you can get an iso, chroot, install the firmware, re-create the iso.
• 863[11:02:43] <rrn> oh dear
• 864[11:03:39] <rrn> I wonder if Kubuntu would support it... But it would be unstable and have crap installed as well...
• 865[11:03:59] <alexrelis[m]> <rrn "64 b x86 Ubuntu"> Are you using Ubuntu on the computer you want to install Debian on?
• 866[11:04:13] <rrn> no, on a different computer
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• 871[11:06:15] <alexrelis[m]> Here's what I would do: remove the hard drive from your 32-bit computer, insert it in the 64-bit computer, run the Debian installer from the 64-bit computer, install to the 32-bit computer's hard drive, and when the installation is completed, install the required firmware. It might be too much of a hassle, but that's all I could think of at this point honestly.
• 872[11:06:53] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: Oh well, I'll try Kubuntu.
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• 874[11:07:16] <alexrelis[m]> Or try to find a different flash drive you can copy the firmware to.
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• 876[11:07:37] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: Well this flash drive apparently does work...
• 877[11:08:07] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: wait a minute...
• 878[11:08:40] <rrn> I could just install Debian using the full installation (no need for Internet access)
• 879[11:08:55] <rrn> and then follow the steps for driver installation
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• 883[11:12:54] <alexrelis[m]> <rrn "I could just install Debian usin"> Yes. What DE do you plan on installing?
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• 885[11:13:46] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: oh damn, I would end up needing a stack of CDs...sigh...
• 886[11:14:05] <alexrelis[m]> rrn: No. You can still use your flash drive.
• 887[11:14:07] <alexrelis[m]> replaced-url
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• 889[11:14:33] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: but it didn't work, that was why I fell back on optical CD-Rs
• 890[11:14:45] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: probably BIOS incompatibility
• 891[11:15:08] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: that was the very first thing I did, official netinstall image dd to flash drive
• 892[11:16:23] <alexrelis[m]> rrn: You system probably doesn't support booting from USB. I believe there are "boot managers" that should allow you to boot from USB on incompatible systems.
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• 894[11:16:52] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: It does, I checked the BIOS and even disabled all boot devices except for USB.
• 895[11:17:21] <alexrelis[m]> rrn: Oh wow, interesting. Do you happen to know the model of your computer?
• 896[11:17:48] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: Dell Latitude D800
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• 899[11:20:21] <alexrelis[m]> rrn: Oh my. I remember having one of those beasts!
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• 901[11:20:51] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: yes the battery is apparently good, that's why I'm deploying this as a fallback laptop
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• 903[11:23:37] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: What do you think about Kubuntu? It'll likely support, and at least it'll have the advantage of newer versions of software.
• 904[11:25:19] <alexrelis[m]> rrn: I doubt you'd have luck running any modern DE on that thing, maybe besides LXDE or XFCE. If you do manage to get networking working, try to do a headless install and install a window manager like OpenBox. Kubuntu imo just wouldn't be viable because KDE will fill up your available RAM, and you wouldn't really benefit from the newer packaged Kubuntu might have given the age of your laptop.
• 905[11:26:26] <alexrelis[m]> Do you happen to have an external network adapter?
• 906[11:27:34] <rrn> probably not; I should, they cost peanuts
• 907[11:27:52] <alexrelis[m]> You could even use your smartphone as a USB hotspot.
• 908[11:28:07] <rrn> hopefully the laptop supports more RAM so that I can upgrade later
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• 910[11:29:54] <alexrelis[m]> To be honest, you're probably only gonna be able to run lynx, vim, and xteddy on that if it only has 512 MBs of RAM. Could make a decent server though.
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• 917[11:34:35] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: Oh no, I use only enterprise-grade Xeon or SPARC for servers, and I already have many servers.
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• 919[11:34:57] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: it has 1 GiB but I'll try upgrading later
• 920[11:35:22] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: I'll simply go with Kubuntu then. It does have a graphics card, it's not integrated video.
• 921[11:36:08] <alexrelis[m]> Good luck.
• 922[11:36:41] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: this is just for use as a fallback laptop; I have much newer ones
• 923[11:36:45] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: Ok, thanks.
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• 930[11:43:00] <m1dnight_> Does anyone know where i3 starts dunst (notifications)? I've not changed much to a vanilla setup, but I'm wondering where it's started.
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• 936[11:46:54] <hwm4rgs> ~/.config/i3/i3.conf generally
• 937[11:46:55] <ratrace> m1dnight_: it doesn't start anything by itself unless you explicitly configured ~/.config/i3/config
• 938[11:47:20] <hwm4rgs> could also be started from your xinitrc
• 939[11:47:28] <hwm4rgs> depends on how you set it up
• 940[11:47:37] <ratrace> you can also use ~/.xsessionrc
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• 942[11:50:45] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: damn, Kubuntu essentially stopped supporting 32b x86 (obviously it's not for embedded systems, military/aerospace, etc.)
• 943[11:51:06] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: I'm now looking at Lubuntu.
• 944[11:51:31] <ratrace> embedded systems mostly use arm, not x86
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• 947[11:51:47] <alexrelis[m]> rrn I believe all Ubuntu's dropped 32-bit, unless there's an unofficial build of it I don't know about.
• 948[11:53:03] <m1dnight_> hwm4rgs: i just installed i3 :> I don't have anything in systemctl
• 949[11:53:07] <m1dnight_> ill check xinitrc
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• 956[11:58:50] <rrn> ratrace: hmm ARM sounds civilian
• 957[11:59:36] <rrn> ratrace: turns out that there do exist rad-hard ARM processors though
• 958[12:00:18] <Ede|Popede> is there a reason not getting translated strings in gcal despite having the locale installed (locale -a) *and* using LANG= in front of the command? did i forget about some l10n/i18n GNU package?
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• 964[12:01:35] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: that is strange
• 965[12:01:42] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: unusually-short support cycles
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• 967[12:02:08] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: where I worked, we still had VAX systems connected to instrumentation
• 968[12:02:52] <rrn> (military/aerospace semiconductor R&D)
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• 983[12:12:09] <alexrelis[m]> Interesting. I'm guessing they're mission critical, right? I heard those places use a lot of old tech for that very reason.
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• 1018[12:37:18] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: ha, seemingly-compatible USB 802.11n NICs cost only a few dollars, I'll simply go for that to avoid downloading many CD images
• 1019[12:39:36] <alexrelis[m]> rrn: Consider getting one that is blob-free. Like this guy: replaced-url
• 1020[12:39:36] <alexrelis[m]> You wouldn't have to worry about nonfree drivers with it, at least for networking.
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• 1024[12:41:19] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys
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• 1026[12:41:38] <Eryn_1983_FL> im trying to find the xscreensaver jurassicpark package in debian stable
• 1027[12:41:46] <Eryn_1983_FL> is it just gone? was there some copyright thing?
• 1028[12:41:57] <Eryn_1983_FL> I dont even know what the .deb was called :(
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• 1032[12:44:57] <ws2k3> i have downloaded a gzip. but i think the ending of the gzip is not correct. with gzcat i can read the content. but i cannot do gzcat file > file.txt how can i remove the invalid ending of the file so its a valid gzip?
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• 1050[13:06:08] <Ede|Popede> i don't get it. `LC_ALL=de_DE.utf8 locale` displays the changed locale as expected, also for other LC_*. only gcal refuses to translate the strings or start the week on mondays.
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• 1055[13:08:46] <Ede|Popede> ok, so LC_LANGUAGE at least changes the strings.
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• 1057[13:10:14] <aphorise> Is there a way via CLI I can mimic 'eth1: Reset adapter' which I see in `dmesg` when my network adaptor has issues? - just wondering if something like `service networking restart` may do the trick.
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• 1061[13:13:05] <teclo-> afternoon, on my Debian 10.x clean install... it seems the command "at" (to schedule tasks in the future) is gone... any idea on how to fix this ?
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• 1066[13:18:08] <aphorise> teclo- install it? `apt-get install at`
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• 1069[13:18:51] <dka> How from an android Samsung Galaxy S9 smartphone which is connected to a wifi hotspot, can I share the internet connection to my Debian desktop?
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• 1072[13:19:08] <dka> I can't use the hotspot tethering, since I am already connected to wifi
• 1073[13:20:16] <alx^> how would you debug a php app that doesn't seem to drop any errors in php/mysql or apache2 logs ?
• 1074[13:20:50] <Eryn_1983_FL> xdebug?
• 1075[13:20:57] <Eryn_1983_FL> and no i dont know how to use it..
• 1076[13:21:17] <alx^> hehe
• 1077[13:21:39] <alx^> I wasn't very clear... it's a full-fledged open-source app I'm just trying to intall on a LAMP
• 1078[13:22:06] <alx^> I'm not actually developping the php... but install keeps failing, and I just have no idea how to get more info as logs are all astoundingly silent
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• 1081[13:24:10] <teclo-> aphorise: indeed... thank you
• 1082[13:24:24] <teclo-> actually I did "apt search at" and there were many many packages
• 1083[13:24:43] <teclo-> didn't know that the package for at was just called at ;)
• 1084[13:24:45] <teclo-> thank you
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• 1097[13:35:14] <mzajc> greetings. how would I go about enabling the BFQ IO scheduler for a drive on debian?
• 1098[13:35:40] <mzajc> wait, nevermind
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• 1100[13:36:09] <mzajc> it is for some reason not listed when I cat the scheduler file, but I can write it in
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• 1217[15:31:49] <rrn> I just installed Debian 32 b x86 + KDE on a laptop, but when the installed OS boots into the KDE login screen, it is very incomplete.
• 1218[15:32:30] <rrn> as in, it's all black, except for this user picture, a single field below it, and two options at the top-right corner (apparently to reboot and shutdown)
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• 1220[15:33:16] <rrn> yes, I did wait, and I did take note of the HDD activity indicator
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• 1222[15:35:14] <ws2k3> is there a standard for format 16/Dec/2015:00:00:00 +0000 ?
• 1223[15:35:17] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: the Ethernet NIC worked w/o firmware, even though it prompted me for firmware, apparently, so I was able to install w/o CD set torture nor ordering a USB NIC
• 1224[15:36:15] <rrn> alexrelis[m]: unbelievably, now it is as if KDE is corrupted
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• 1227[15:38:28] <ayekat> ws2k3: what do you mean "standard"? that doesn't seem like a very useful format to me...
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• 1229[15:39:22] <ws2k3> ayekat: im trying to parse it using logstash
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• 1232[15:40:33] <ayekat> I'm not familiar with logstash, but if it allows you to use format specifiers, I guess you'll have to craft a format string yourself there
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• 1242[15:46:42] <hooman> hello
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• 1246[15:51:26] <Led_Zeppelin> is there a way to see what processes are using the buffer? free -m doesn't show it.
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• 1258[16:00:24] <cpach> hi folks. excuse the OT, but is there any old-timers here that rember a gnome/gtk rss reader that was under development around ~2002-2004? it was not straw. but i can't recall the name right now.
• 1259[16:00:29] <cpach> does this ring a bell for anyone?
• 1260[16:00:44] <cpach> i'm quite sure that a swedish company in either gothenburg or stockholm was involved with the development.
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• 1284[16:22:24] <Ede|Popede> cpach: just in case, i have some old CD sets around (including ftp rips), but i have to go now, will be back in a few hours. maybe some old listfile on the archive server could also give you a hint. (and ofc i don't remember the hostname right now and i'm in a hurryyyy :))
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• 1303[16:33:18] <bjarne333> trying to upgrade from debian 8 to 9. Getting libssl1.1 : Breaks: python-httplib2 (< 0.11.3-1) but 0.9.2+dfsg-1 is
• 1304[16:33:33] <bjarne333> after minimal upgrade: apt upgrade
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• 1319[16:38:44] <webmind> Hi, trying to get an ubuntu lxc working on debian buster, using a cgroup v2 only setup. Got this in my config, but it craps out while trying to boot: replaced-url
• 1320[16:38:54] <webmind> Failed to mount cgroup at /sys/fs/cgroup: Invalid argument
• 1321[16:38:55] <webmind> [!!!!!!] Failed to mount API filesystems, freezing.
• 1322[16:38:57] <webmind> Freezing execution.
• 1323[16:39:00] <webmind> that's the error
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• 1325[16:39:19] <webmind> can't really find anything online that's off help
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• 1330[16:41:47] <cpach> Ede|Popede: thank you! i found the application. it's called "blam" :)
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• 1418[17:38:43] <Ashleee> g'day!
• 1419[17:38:55] <Ashleee> anybody familiar reasonably enough with preseeding? :)
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• 1421[17:39:24] <Ashleee> I'm running into an issue with hostnames. I've set the netcfg/hostname and netcfg/domain but it still pops up "Please enter the hostname" with preset what I set
• 1422[17:39:32] <Ashleee> instead of just continuing with the hostname
• 1423[17:39:59] <Ashleee> also there was some listing with *all* extracted preseed options for all the packages but I am incapable of finding it again :(
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• 1430[17:42:25] <Ashleee> oh you have to set both get_hostname AND hostname
• 1431[17:42:28] <Ashleee> bloody hell :)
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• 1460[17:57:02] <daknig> hello I have trouble removing an app via apt
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• 1462[17:57:26] <daknig> when I `apt remove` it, it stays at 50% forever
• 1463[17:57:37] <daknig> or rather until I decide to `kill` it
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• 1465[17:57:51] <daknig> I think the database of apt got corrupted
• 1466[17:58:02] <daknig> this package is listed as "partially installed/removed"
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• 1469[17:59:04] <daknig> tried to `apt install` it . that did not help either. trying to install or remove other packages via apt also tries to remove this one package so I cant install or remove anything
• 1470[17:59:31] <daknig> the package in question is `nodered` , and my device is a raspberry pi 3 (not sure if it matters at all)
• 1471[18:00:02] <bjarne333> if it hangs, maybe strace it?
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• 1473[18:01:23] <daknig> never done that, how should I send the output?
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• 1475[18:02:04] <bjarne333> strace is a program that runs other programs so you can see the linux system calls that the program makes
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• 1477[18:02:16] <bjarne333> e.g. strace echo hello
• 1478[18:02:22] <daknig> aha
• 1479[18:02:35] <daknig> ok it is running now , will see what happens with that
• 1480[18:02:41] <daknig> maybe I'll wait a minute
• 1481[18:02:48] <daknig> I think it gets into some infinite loop
• 1482[18:03:01] <bjarne333> the output is quite esoteric, but the last system call might be interesting
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• 1486[18:03:29] <daknig> currently the progress bar does not change, but it continues to output very fast
• 1487[18:03:41] <daknig> I mean strace continues to output stuff
• 1488[18:03:50] <bjarne333> show me the system calls
• 1489[18:04:03] <daknig> again its really really fast
• 1490[18:04:07] <daknig> I cant keep up with it
• 1491[18:04:13] <daknig> should I `ctrl z`?
• 1492[18:04:22] <bjarne333> C-c, yeah sure
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• 1494[18:04:34] <bjarne333> paste some of it in to here: replaced-url
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• 1496[18:05:11] <daknig> replaced-url
• 1497[18:05:16] <daknig> heres what I see on screen
• 1498[18:06:31] <bjarne333> the output is fucked up
• 1499[18:07:03] <bjarne333> pls redirect the output of strace with 2>
• 1500[18:07:23] <bjarne333> strace apt install openred 2>/tmp/strace-output
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• 1519[18:16:13] <daknig> now its "unable to aquire the dpkg frontend"
• 1520[18:17:01] <generic> how do i prevent apt from deleting .deb files that I downloaded?
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• 1525[18:18:56] <daknig> replaced-url
• 1526[18:19:47] <daknig> ah nvm lemme clear that one before sending it again, please dont mind that last paste
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• 1537[18:22:54] <Lampion> Hello everyone
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• 1539[18:23:59] <Lampion> I spent a couple hours this morning fixing a botched .profile that basically rendered my GUI out of use, I was trying to install nodejs.
• 1540[18:24:11] <Lampion> Can anyone help me with this ? I can't get it to work.
• 1541[18:27:28] <bjarne333> Lampion: here is a fresh copy from debian 10: replaced-url
• 1542[18:27:57] <bjarne333> you shouldn't run it unless you understand bash. but I promise it's not malicious
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• 1546[18:29:19] <tomreyn> or just copy it from /etc/skel
• 1547[18:29:48] <Lampion> /etc/skel ?
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• 1549[18:30:20] <Lampion> Opening it in VM, you never know.
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• 1556[18:32:19] <daknig> bjarne333: what to do ? its too big for that site.
• 1557[18:32:24] <daknig> its 90k lines
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• 1559[18:32:35] <daknig> should I only send uh, idk, the last 60k lines?
• 1560[18:32:44] <bjarne333> they are probably all the same
• 1561[18:32:50] <bjarne333> just give the last 100 lines
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• 1564[18:33:39] <bjarne333> daknig: there might be senstive data such as filenames etc. just so you know
• 1565[18:33:44] <Lampion> What ? That's just a default .profile file bjarne333.
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• 1568[18:34:05] <bjarne333> Lampion: yes? you needed help with fixing
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• 1571[18:34:26] <Lampion> No, I got myself misunderstood: I need to install nodejs, I've already fixed my login loop problem :)
• 1572[18:34:46] <bjarne333> whats the goal and problem? pls elaborate
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• 1574[18:35:08] <Lampion> I'm trying to install nodejs, it's not up-to-date within repositories.
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• 1577[18:35:37] <Lampion> So I've tried installing it manually, and it didn't work, I botched it.
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• 1581[18:36:37] <sney> for help with software from outside of debian, you should be in the software's channel, not here.
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• 1585[18:37:18] <Lampion> Even if I'm trying to install it within debian ?
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• 1587[18:38:00] <sney> you're not using debian packages so it's outside the scope of this channel. I'm sure there's a #nodejs somewhere and they will surely know how to install on a very common linux distro
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• 1589[18:38:56] <Lampion> Thx dude
• 1590[18:39:08] <daknig> replaced-url
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• 1594[18:41:08] <bjarne333> it's waiting for a child process. maybe a network socket.
• 1595[18:41:31] <bjarne333> browse upwards to the last command before those waits and selects()
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• 1606[18:50:47] <daknig> bjarne333: replaced-url
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• 1608[18:51:40] <bjarne333> there must be something further up
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• 1610[18:52:00] <bjarne333> you can scroll upwards and find where the waits and selects begin
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• 1618[18:54:49] <bjarne333> daknig: do you have anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/?
• 1619[18:54:59] <bjarne333> im guessing it's a dns problem
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• 1621[18:55:45] <misterhat> hey, i'm having an issue with update-initramfs
• 1622[18:56:00] <misterhat> my /boot/ drive isn't full, but it's failing at the fsck portion
• 1623[18:56:09] <misterhat> Adding binary /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libe2p.so.2.3
• 1624[18:56:11] <misterhat> E: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/fsck failed with return 1.
• 1625[18:56:24] <misterhat> when i run it on my desktop, that's where it moves onto fuse hook
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• 1628[18:56:40] <misterhat> so now i'm stuck with an old kernel and i can't install any others
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• 1630[18:57:37] <misterhat> my fstab file looks to be ok :\
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• 1638[19:02:25] <daknig> bjarne333: yes I do
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• 1640[19:02:40] <daknig> I have `raspi.list` and `headmelted_vscode.list`
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• 1642[19:02:59] <daknig> I really wanted to remove everything from the second and then remove it, but ... then this happened
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• 1644[19:03:44] <bjarne333> do they contain any repository urls? possibly pointing to nonexisting domains?
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• 1646[19:04:23] <daknig> they do
• 1647[19:04:38] <daknig> well but both should be functional
• 1648[19:04:43] <daknig> at least the raspi one
• 1649[19:05:06] <bjarne333> im just guessing here.. but maybe try commenting out those sources
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• 1651[19:06:38] <daknig> it takes a long time to copy stuff from there. I think I am doing it wrong. I am connected to that machine over ssh, I guess the easier way would be to transfer said strace file then edit it on my local machine
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• 1653[19:07:00] <daknig> it contains no personal info, so its fine if I send the whole things
• 1654[19:07:02] <daknig> thing*
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• 1664[19:14:05] <daknig> replaced-url
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• 1666[19:14:55] <daknig> if normal (way less restrictive) pastebin is fine, I'll send the whole file
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• 1671[19:17:21] <daknig> well here that is , on pastebin : replaced-url
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• 1673[19:20:01] <misterhat> ok so it's not an issue with fsck specifically
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• 1680[19:23:26] <misterhat> specifically copy_exec is not working
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• 1692[19:29:32] <bjarne333> daknig: im unable to find anything useful
• 1693[19:29:42] <bjarne333> try adding -oDebug::pkgAcquire::Worker=1 to apt
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• 1695[19:29:54] <bjarne333> also inspect apt log files in /var/log/apt*
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• 1697[19:30:20] <bjarne333> alsy maybe let it run for a few minutes and see what happens
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• 1704[19:38:16] <jmcnaught> daknig: if you're using Raspbian have you asked in #raspbian? They might know about problems with their distro that #debian would not know about.
• 1705[19:38:25] <daknig> I am using debian
• 1706[19:38:27] <daknig> not raspbian
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• 1708[19:39:05] <daknig> I thnk I have a version of debian with their repos. but the rest is just debian
• 1709[19:39:29] <jmcnaught> daknig: so you have mixed regular Debian with other distros?
• 1710[19:39:42] <daknig> I did not mix it
• 1711[19:39:57] <daknig> I got it online. its debian but with additional packages specific to the pi
• 1712[19:40:02] <daknig> and the rpi repos
• 1713[19:40:14] <daknig> those are very small though
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• 1715[19:40:34] <daknig> well not so small , it appears like that nodered thing was installed by default
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• 1717[19:40:50] <daknig> thats not found in default debian is it
• 1718[19:40:57] <greycat> .v nodered
• 1719[19:41:04] <greycat> ,v nodered
• 1720[19:41:05] <judd> No package named 'nodered' was found in amd64.
• 1721[19:41:15] <jmcnaught> daknig: okay because looking at your pastebin of strace output I see apt reading from /var/lib/apt/lists/raspbian.raspberrypi.org_raspbian_dists_buster_InRelease for example… just because two distros both use .deb does not mean they are compatible with each other.
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• 1725[19:42:58] <daknig> ok. I downloaded that OS from somewhere online, I really dont remember much, and it did not have trouble for a few months
• 1726[19:43:42] <daknig> I installed and removed packages with no problem , specific to the pi like libs and pin diagrams and apps that are from the general debian repos, like htop
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• 1818[21:09:43] <Goombay> do most folks use fwupd manager for firmware?
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• 1820[21:10:21] <Goombay> fwupd.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
• 1821[21:10:42] <greycat> I'm going to guess 'no'.
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• 1823[21:11:30] <sney> I have it installed in a couple places but it has so far not been able to upgrade the firmware of any device I own
• 1824[21:11:39] <sney> I'm sure it'll get there eventually
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• 1833[21:19:01] <Goombay> seems to work on ubuntu, i'll let it go then thanks
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• 1853[21:30:36] <spigot> apt build-dep is telling me the package depends on a package (with no version requirement) available in stable, but it's not trying to install it- isn't that what build-dep is used for?
• 1854[21:30:37] <apt> ...but build-dep is already something else...
• 1855[21:30:50] <spigot> "but it is not going to be installed" - what am I missing?
• 1856[21:31:08] <sney> it may conflict with another package you have installed.
• 1857[21:31:42] <sney> look through 'apt show' 'apt policy' etc and it may become clear why. or try installing that package directly and see if anything weird happens
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• 1861[21:33:14] <spigot> sney: AHHH that was simple, I should have tried that. I feel silly lol
• 1862[21:33:40] <sney> always read the messages and try stuff! apt is giving you clues lol
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• 1864[21:33:43] <spigot> the dependency depends on something that can't be installed automagically because of an installed backport. I just need to allow the backported version of the dependency
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• 1866[21:34:03] <spigot> I forget that I have backports pinned to not install unless explicitly told to
• 1867[21:34:59] <sney> you know you don't need to manually do that. debian backports repos automatically have a very low priority.
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• 1869[21:36:17] <spigot> sney: I did _not_ know that!
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• 1871[21:37:24] <sney> a buster system that upgraded everything to an available backport could easily be a disaster. it'd intended for one-off package upgrades only, so apt is configured as such
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• 1874[21:38:40] <zumba_addict> i'm trying to inbstall envsubst with apt-get install gettext-base but it's failing
• 1875[21:38:46] <spigot> that makes a lot of sense. I very rarely install them, usually only when building something from testing
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• 1877[21:39:20] <zumba_addict> i'm getting this error `E: Unable to locate package gettext-base`
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• 1879[21:39:31] <sney> ,v gettext-base
• 1880[21:39:32] <judd> Package: gettext-base on amd64 -- jessie: 0.19.3-2; stretch: 0.19.8.1-2+deb9u1; buster: 0.19.8.1-9; bullseye: 0.19.8.1-10; sid: 0.19.8.1-10
• 1881[21:39:46] <sney> zumba_addict: make sure you have a main mirror line in your sources.list, not just security
• 1882[21:39:52] <sney> !buster sources.list
• 1883[21:39:52] <zumba_addict> k
• 1884[21:39:52] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 1899[21:55:11] <bjarne333> jessie reaches EOL 30. june 2020. We will be seings lots of updates soon
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• 1934[22:14:40] <jaggz> wassat
• 1935[22:15:24] <annadane> is this eant to be a question?
• 1936[22:15:26] <annadane> mwant*
• 1937[22:15:28] <annadane> meant*
• 1938[22:16:02] <annadane> oh, wow, i can't read, i thought that said bugs.debian.org
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• 1942[22:18:48] <greycat> ,v libssl1.0.2
• 1943[22:18:50] <judd> Package: libssl1.0.2 on amd64 -- stretch: 1.0.2u-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.0.2u-1~deb9u1
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• 1945[22:19:33] <jaggz> hmm.. my version table shows me: *** 1.0.2r-1~deb9u1 100
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• 1947[22:19:53] <greycat> unsure what your actual question is, but the error makes it sounds like you've possibly got multiarch going on, and have both i386 and amd64 versions of the lib
• 1948[22:20:35] <jaggz> tht's the thing, I only have the 1.0.2 there (aptitude search libssl at the top of the paste)
• 1949[22:20:37] <greycat> the 1.0.2r sounds wrong given what judd just told us
• 1950[22:20:41] <jaggz> yeah
• 1951[22:20:53] <greycat> are you *on* stretch?
• 1952[22:20:53] <jaggz> should check my repos to make sure I have security I think
• 1953[22:20:57] <jaggz> buster
• 1954[22:21:07] <greycat> well that's why, then. it's just a leftover old library from before you upgraded.
• 1955[22:21:17] <jaggz> ahhh
• 1956[22:21:34] <jaggz> his stretch is listed as 1.0.2u though
• 1957[22:21:36] <jaggz> mine's r
• 1958[22:21:41] <jaggz> earlier than u?
• 1959[22:21:46] <greycat> r s t u
• 1960[22:21:49] <jaggz> and nothing later or it'd have been shown above right?
• 1961[22:21:59] <jaggz> k
• 1962[22:22:12] <greycat> if anything is actually *using* that library, you might consider upgrading it
• 1963[22:22:20] <greycat> otherwise, consider removing it
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• 1966[22:23:05] <jaggz> thanks
• 1967[22:23:20] <jaggz> (I really dislike so many projects and companies supporting ubuntu and not debian directly)
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