31[00:09:57] <jelly> x86 systems have their own issues, like
almost completely closed firmware that has privileges to run
anything without the OS knowing about it
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44[00:16:32] <nickgaw> I own a raspberrypi models b and 3b but
the code won't run on each other like I think it should if I
compile something on the normal b and put the binary on the 3b I can
not get it to just run why is this as I thought they were sposed to
backwards build?
45[00:17:36] <rgwu> I believe the Xbox 360 has a Power chip. A
triple core IIRC.
46[00:17:55] <jelly> nickgaw, software compatibility is funny
and there could be any number of reasons. Ask about specifics in
#raspberrypi channel
47[00:18:14] <yareckonirc> maybe hardware floating point or
somehting
48[00:18:24] <yareckonirc> arm is funny that way
49[00:18:56] <nickgaw> good point can the xbox systems run
linux??
50[00:19:27] <jelly> people have, in fact, managed to run linux
on an xbox 360, yes.
51[00:19:51] <nickgaw> Can they be restored to their factory
defaults later?
52[00:20:00] <rgwu> But it requires a physical hack to the
motherboard I believe.
53[00:20:15] <jelly> who knows, that's a bit outside of
the scope for this channel
54[00:20:45] <nickgaw> Can you buy raw debian based laptops
ready to go?
61[00:25:25] <nickgaw> Is there a way to find out where the
different hosts are for the different machines that debian uses for
cross compiling all of their code as I can not find where to look?
62[00:26:07] <jelly> buildd machines are hosted in many
different places
63[00:26:41] <jelly> nickgaw, in general Debian does NOT cross
compile software, all packages are built natively
64[00:26:46] <annadane> doesn't really answer your
question, but
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65[00:27:07] <nickgaw> So if I wanted a build machine like you
can rent a normal server from a server farm like a x64 based system
if I wanted an armel system could I rent one for a month or so?
74[00:29:32] <jelly> scaleway is the oldest provider for arm I
think
75[00:29:36] <nickgaw> true but the systems debian use are nice
and so I was wanting to find something like what they use so it is
possible to rent something to test with right?
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78[00:32:57] <nickgaw> Good to know as I might look at them.
How does debian setup their systems for cross compilation like they
do as looking in the documentation it does not help me or give me an
e-mail address to write to?
79[00:33:21] <jelly> most compilation is native
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81[00:33:43] <nickgaw> So they own their own hardware hosted in
some data center?
82[00:33:48] <jelly> only bootstrapping a new arch requires
cross compiling by necessity
83[00:34:07] <jelly> many buildds for weird arches are donated
84[00:34:25] <nickgaw> So they are all hosted in the same place
right?
94[00:37:00] <nickgaw> true I meant my own set of compilation
systems for my own projects?
95[00:37:07] <jelly> they are NOT for free use, they are for
development of Debian
96[00:37:21] <nickgaw> yes I know that.
97[00:37:53] <nickgaw> I meant I would have to rent a server
that was arm based or mips based to do my own work on?
98[00:37:57] <jelly> well you're asking many different
different questions, if might be helpful to know what your actual
goal is
99[00:38:49] <jelly> sure, to they things out on an actual arm,
you need access to an actual arm
100[00:38:53] <jelly> to try* things
101[00:39:31] <jelly> be it renting or buying hw or asking
someone nicely or becoming a DD
102[00:40:08] <nickgaw> ok I was wanting to test out how
accessibility software like brltty and other tools compile on
different systems as I myself am totally blind and was wanting to
find out how well tools like these compile and run as there are ways
to virtualize a Braille display over the network to make it run on a
remote system and then it would appear locally on my own system when
it was running on the remote system.
106[00:41:50] <nickgaw> I know it can be done threw virtual
machines so it could probably be done over the internet right like
you can virtualize hardware connectivity?
108[00:42:02] <jelly> brltty is open source but I think
there's a kernel component as well used as drivers for actual
hardware?
109[00:42:37] <jelly> since your output device is a tty, I
suspect you might just run it locally and use ssh to connect to any
remote system
110[00:43:00] <nickgaw> speakup is the kernel screen reader that
I use but I think sometimes orca is much better at different things
when it comes to the GUI.
112[00:43:37] *** Lord_of_Life_ is now known as Lord_of_Life
113[00:43:41] <nickgaw> So renting different systems to test out
compilation might not be the best thing to do then?
114[00:44:13] <jelly> the description says: ... The daemon
process listens for incoming TCP/IP connections on a certain port
115[00:44:28] <nickgaw> yes
116[00:45:12] <jelly> so if you wanted to use brltty enabled
clients on remote systems, you might need to merely tunnel their tcp
connection with ssh's RemoteForward (-R option)
117[00:45:20] <nickgaw> If most software can be built on a x64
based system using configure and make then should it be able to be
built on an arm system?
118[00:45:42] <jelly> that's pretty much how it's done
123[00:47:02] <jelly> open source just makes it easier to try
fixing them
124[00:47:27] <nickgaw> yes but sometimes I have heard about
software that is open source that won't compile on hardware
because of differences in the way that hardware works.
140[00:52:43] <jelly> you're asking "why os one kernel
better than the other"
141[00:52:50] <mutante> nickgaw: every couple years i go and ask
when is GNU finally ready and i don't need Linux anymore.. but
so far it's not there :p
142[00:53:18] <nickgaw> So what are you saying is I should not
wait?
143[00:53:41] <nickgaw> What is different in the way a user
interacts with the hurd?
144[00:54:19] <jelly> and that's really a philosophical
question; depends on what you want from a kernel. If it's just
basic POSIX or Unix capabilities, Linux or any BSD will do, so then
you pick the one based on hardware support for example
167[01:00:06] <jelly> so it kind of is, and kind of isn't
168[01:00:08] <jelly> !hurd
169[01:00:09] <dpkg> GNU Hurd (<HIRD> of Unix-Replacing
Daemons) is a POSIX-compatible collection of servers which run on
the Mach microkernel. It is the GNU project's replacement for
the Unix kernel.
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174[01:01:38] <sney> I've been using debian for around 20
years and I've never tried the hurd port. most people here
probably haven't either. and since this is a support channel...
it's technically on-topic but you might not get any useful
responses
175[01:02:03] <sney> tbh, -offtopic might even be best, since
it's mostly old-nerd-tech-speculation material
179[01:02:24] <dpkg> nickgaw: KCI error, or a problem with the
Keyboard-Chair Interface.
180[01:02:46] <sney> !kfreebsd
181[01:02:46] <dpkg> Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists
of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's
kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64
and kfreebsd-i386 are not official release architectures since
Debian 8 "Jessie" due to quality concerns.
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182[01:02:47] <jelly> nickgaw, you can do eg.: /msg dpkg
kfreebsd
183[01:03:02] <jelly> a /msg won't pollute the public
channel
184[01:03:22] <sney> ^ this, I have pinned tabs open with both
dpkg and judd
185[01:04:15] <nickgaw> judd never responds to any messages.
186[01:04:44] <sney> judd seems buggy on freenode in general. I
message both bots on oftc mainly
187[01:04:52] <annadane> judd only responds if you type
something it knows, although yeah what sney said
188[01:05:03] <annadane> . dpkg will tell you if you're
trying to ask it something it doesn't know
189[01:05:22] <annadane> dpkg, abcdef
190[01:05:22] <dpkg> rumour has it, abcdef is foo
191[01:05:28] <nickgaw> Who runs both bots and what code bases
are they?
192[01:05:32] <annadane> ...not what i was expecting, but okay
193[01:05:44] <annadane> dondelelcaro runs dpkg and themill runs
judd, AFAIK
194[01:05:53] <sney> judd is a supybot so it responds to
standard supybot stuff like help and list, along with the stuff
it's actually supposed to do, like version and info and kernels
195[01:06:07] <jelly> !judd
196[01:06:07] <dpkg> judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian
Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI
ID and kernel config information. See
replaced-url
197[01:06:21] <jelly> dpkg, factinfo abcdef
198[01:06:21] <dpkg> abcdef -- created by mgoetze
<mgoetze@lexikon.cjd-braunschweig.de> at Sun Mar 10 02:52:42
2002 (6697 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by annadane,
59s ago.
199[01:06:33] <sney> I believe dpkg is an infobot but it's
probably pretty specialized by now since it's lived in this
jungle for over a decade
200[01:06:34] <jelly> dpkg, forget abcdef
201[01:06:35] <dpkg> jelly: i forgot abcdef
202[01:06:44] <avu> created 18 years ago and only requested
twice, not bad
203[01:06:53] <annadane> judd, abcdef
204[01:06:55] <annadane> ...
205[01:06:57] <annadane> dpkg, abcdef
206[01:06:57] <dpkg> annadane: have you tried
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251[01:21:14] <nickgaw> If I wish to contact dpkgs owner for
something how would I go about doing that?
252[01:22:02] <avu> nickgaw: I'd bring it up here first,
it's likely that you don't really need to bother the
author but that somebody else here can help you
253[01:22:48] <nickgaw> My question is is the raw dpkg database
and bot source code around for people to download to look at should
they wish?
267[01:34:33] <nickgaw> Is xz the highest compression level or
is something better out there like with lzma2 is that the best over
all or should I look at something else for the smallest compression
possible?
268[01:35:04] <annadane> just don't let gavin belson steal
your ideas
269[01:35:42] <Unit193> xz is pretty much as high compression as
you can get, though of course also the slowest. zst is interesting
too though.
270[01:36:14] <abrotman> There are many websites that compare
gz/bzip/xz/etc
271[01:36:48] <nickgaw> Is zst better I am looking for the
highest compression even if it is slow?
430[05:31:28] <paradizelost> as soon as i upgraded to buster, i
have freeipa-client
431[05:31:57] <sevenninety> I have a new MB with realtek 8125
(rtl8125) ethernet. The driver from realtek shows all available
speeds but I can only get it to work at 100MB. Anyone have similar
device?
448[05:58:09] <nvz> sevenninety: you can get a 5.x kernel and
new firmware from backports
449[05:58:37] <nvz> sevenninety: you may also wanna check the
bios/efi and make sure there isnt an option in there that limits it
450[06:01:03] <nvz> ah that device isnt all that new it seems..
there are drivers on their site dated as far back as 2007
451[06:01:33] <nvz> your issue may be external
452[06:01:51] <nvz> i.e. what you have it hooked to and what
kinda cable you're using
453[06:02:43] <sevenninety> nvz i have tried several cables. I
have two other machines running 1000MB. I try changnig with ethtool
and it just kills the connection.
454[06:03:06] <nvz> wouldnt hurt to try a new kernel and
firmware
455[06:03:09] <sevenninety> I am running 5.7 kern.
456[06:03:21] <nvz> 5.7? o.O
457[06:03:28] <nvz> from where?
458[06:03:53] <sevenninety> running debian packaged from testing
459[06:04:03] <nvz> @.@
460[06:04:45] <sevenninety> no 8125 in the modules so using the
driver from realtek.
461[06:06:03] <sevenninety> i will check the bios. running
firmware from buster
462[06:06:35] <nvz> why.. ... .... would you be runnign firmware
from buster and a kernel from testing?
463[06:07:49] <sevenninety> it did not make a difference
468[06:10:00] <sevenninety> still shows 100Mb/s but has all
modes supported and advertised. I guess it could still be cabling. i
will take one from a working 1000MB connection and see.
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664[10:20:43] <pragomer> hi. is it possible to configure
"nano" so that it automatically breaks lines (only
visually.. on screen), whenever the window size is changed?
715[11:19:43] <dpkg> Packages that end in '*-dbgsym'
contain the symbols required for debugging executables and
libraries. The dbgsym packages are automatically generated packages
that are in a separate archive; add a line like "deb
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716[11:20:36] <nvz> Unit193: are those not on p.d.o or UDD?
717[11:21:02] <nvz> cause I dont see any packages for
firefox-esr-dbgsym
719[11:21:29] * nvz is too tired to dig much deeper
720[11:21:32] <Unit193> Not really, no. Technically they could
not exist, but they're likely in the debug repo.
721[11:22:10] <Unit193> One doesn't list them in d/control
either, they're fully automatic unless no binary files, already
stripped, or specifically disabled.
722[11:22:33] <nvz> yeah a user compilig a browser would be a
nightmare
730[11:26:44] <pixan> i actually don't know what to expect
from these terms in source.list
731[11:26:45] <nvz> I was going to suggest going to OFTC to more
likely find some DD/DMs before you'd popped in.. cause I
figured this was a question better answered by someone who knew what
changed with the -dbg packages
732[11:26:53] <Unit193> See also: find-dbgsym-packages from
debian-goodies.
733[11:27:19] <Unit193> nvz: I'm buzzing out about now
anyway.
734[11:27:39] <pixan> is it a site?
735[11:27:45] <Unit193> nvz: But basically, it was decided debug
packages are useful, but not used enough to clutter all the mirrors.
736[11:28:04] <Unit193> pixan: debian-goodies is a package,
find-dbgsym-packages is a script contained in said package.
740[11:32:00] <xormor> "Package linux-image-4.19.0-10-amd64
is not available, but is referred to by another package."
741[11:32:32] <xormor> "However the following packages
replace it: linux-image-4.19.0-10-amd64-unsigned"
742[11:32:35] <xormor> why?
743[11:33:09] <pixan> dbgsym depends 68.7.0 but 68.10.0 is
installed
744[11:33:17] <xormor> anyone else with the same problem? I used
proposed-updates, but I got another sources.list generator output to
put into /etc/apt/sources.list and now there seems to be no problem.
745[11:33:53] <xormor> I already installed the unsigned version,
but why is there no normally signed version?
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781[12:10:50] <wuseman> Hey, in one of my tools I use: xargs
--show-limits -s 1 2>&1|grep -i "parallelism"|awk
'{print $8}' for grep max-procs, I got a issue report on
git that claims this command does not work on his debian setup with
kernel 4.10 - I doubt this is a debian issue, but someone can be
nice and just confirm if this command works on your debian install?
784[12:13:03] <wuseman> He got plasma-desktop and using konsole
also, if that matters. Works on my gentoo setup and android device
and also on a kubuntu 20.20 livecd I booted.
803[12:29:43] <wuseman> How is this possible, he also using
swedish layout and gets no output. How is this possible, only on
debian this command does not work it seems
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805[12:30:06] <wuseman> Anyone know how solve this in debian,
and what causes this on only debian systems it seems?
806[12:30:15] <blurkis> Perhaps do the script a bit more verbose
with debuginfo so you can tell what goes wrong?
807[12:30:32] <blurkis> Giving no output its hard to say what
went wrong,
826[12:39:28] <wuseman> Works on 4.4.0-170-generic #199-Ubuntu
SMP Thu Nov 14 01:45:04 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
aswell it seems. How is this possible and how do you grep stderr in
debian?
858[13:20:05] <GNU\colossus> mikunos, 3rd party repos are not
supported in this channel. at any rate, did you run "sudo
apt-get update" before you tried to install a package via
"apt-get install"?
859[13:20:35] <mikunos> yes I have updated the repos
860[13:21:16] <mikunos> and then I have tried to install the php
packages
877[13:40:29] <reintegrated> Hey all, I have a webcam, lsusb
reports it as: "ID 0c45:627b Microdia PC Camera (SN9C201 +
OV7660)" - all my machines are Debian 10 and mostly headless,
the camera is detected and works well, I'm using ffmpeg to
stream it to another machine over UDP. The problem is, when
connecting it to my main server (where I want it to live after
testing is completed), the following shows up on the terminal and in
dmesg every few se
878[13:40:29] <reintegrated> 0x 7-2:1.0: URB error -84,
resubmitting" - I've found very little on Google except
for the understanding that URB is some sort of USB registry.
I'm very confused as this error only shows up on my main
server, despite it working, and despite all machines tested on
running Debian 10 and fully up-to-date.
879[13:40:35] <reintegrated> Any takers for an assist? :)
881[13:41:20] <reintegrated> Update: this error does appear on
the other machines too, however nowhere near as frequently... and it
works! I don't understand.
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903[14:15:53] <reintegrated> Further update: Having tested more
closely, even though it's not every few seconds like on my
server, this error also appears in dmesg about once every minute on
my other machines. I'm tempted to ignore it as the camera
works, but it's just really messy having the logs fill up with
this error, ideally I'd like to fix it, or even just supress it
the errors somehow?
920[14:30:49] <LtL> reintegrated: this may stop it, at least
from printing to logs but maye from your console/terminal also. in
/etc/rsyslog.conf put :msg, contains, "USB" stop
927[14:33:49] <untakenstupidnic> I have software that is
trivially simple to build and has been ported to multiple OSes and
distros. Would someone make a .orig.tar.gz for it and take it to the
repos?
1010[15:30:21] <LtL> reintegrated: when you google
'gspca_sn9c20x' there are some hits, fixing the error is
always best :)
1011[15:30:30] <reintegrated> Ddin't see the second entry!
Have updated and restarted rsyslog but it's still coming up...
I'm not convinced rsyslog is retarting correctly though, so
I'm going to bounce the server again.
1012[15:31:11] <reintegrated> Yeah I would obviously prefer to
fix the error, but couldn't find anything specific - I'll
take another look though, I was mainly searching for the error
message not the source.
1013[15:31:40] <LtL> reintegrated: is it in syslog or just dmesg?
if i recall, that hack stopped all logging including the kernel
buffer
1032[15:42:55] <reintegrated> LtL: Sorry, my mistake, it *was* in
syslog - but the options we entered in the .conf file seems to be
stopping it getting logged now - but only is syslog, it's still
showing up in dmesg
1039[15:46:14] <reintegrated> Again, I would prefer to fix the
issue obviously, but googling gspca_sn9c20x brings up lots of
issues, but nothing relating to URB errors that I can see.
1051[15:52:03] <reintegrated> Will have to continue looking for a
fix then I guess.
1052[15:52:17] <reintegrated> Or just bin this webcam and get a
better one. lol
1053[15:52:41] <LtL> reintegrated: maybe a newer kernel might
stop that, but that's a slight hassle to do considering the the
message, as long as the device works.
1054[15:53:06] <reintegrated> LtL: Yeah my thoughts exactly. Not
worth the hassle.
1055[15:53:29] <reintegrated> Thanks for the help though, at
least I know how to prevent stuff from filling my logs now, I call
that a win. :)
1056[15:53:47] <LtL> reintegrated: outstanding, happy to help
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1062[16:00:49] <LtL> reintegrated: if it prints on the screen, a
fix would be redirect the error to /dev/null but i'm not sure
where to accomplish that
1140[17:40:47] <annadane> what i should have said is "lsmod
is a tool i hadn't heard of being deprecated before so
it's unlikely to happen in testing" but linking the man
page also works
1146[17:44:52] <tinkertiger> annadane: My problem is that it
wasn't automagically installed when I moved to testing and I
wasn't finding it in the listing.
1171[18:09:11] <RhineDevil> What's the best way to check if
there's a mismatch between /var/lib/apt/lists/[...]_InRelease
"Suite" value and this repo current "Suite"
value?
1175[18:13:01] <LtL> RhineDevil: do you get a suite error using
apt-get? i can't answer that question directly
1176[18:13:27] <jhutchins> I believe you can just delete the
files and they will be replaced by apt update.
1177[18:14:00] <RhineDevil> LtL, I solved that problem, I'm
currently pushing upstream fixes to lxc-templates repo and in some
cases this becomes a problem
1178[18:14:01] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. When running apt update, does
the list of urls it checks get longer the longer one goes between
updates?
1179[18:14:28] <RhineDevil> Because it would be nice to detect if
there's a mismatch
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1203[18:23:15] <nvz> untakenstupidnic: well.. no.. there was a
time many years ago when GWB was POTUS when they did a lame duck
presidential challenge and issued a list of conditions that if any
were met they'd give their stuff away for free until the end of
the month, and when gas prices dropped below $3 they started giving
away crossover 7 I think it was at the time
1204[18:23:41] <Lady_Aleena> LtL, I think so. I think I installed
Jessie on the drive fresh, then dist-upgraded to stretch, then
buster (in a short period of time).
1206[18:24:23] <nvz> I still have the crossover 7 stuff.. but
I'm on crossover 17 these days.. it has a nice bit of wizardry
and GUI that makes things real simple.. and its not that expensive
(about $40) and is worth it in some cases
1207[18:24:25] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: not a problem, normal output..
its still checking for those updates still
1208[18:24:39] <Lady_Aleena> LtL, then I won't worry. Thank
you.
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1210[18:24:58] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: you're welcome
1211[18:26:19] <Lady_Aleena> I should update more often.
1226[18:32:17] <annadane> newer versions of firefox do that
1227[18:32:33] <annadane> they'll prevent you from visiting
URLs if a firefox update (hence restart) is required
1228[18:32:36] <nulleip> I mean, which packages/config should I
be looking that deal with svg for Debian? For example, in my firefox
svg+xml stuff is pretty ugly
1229[18:32:41] <annadane> i assume you mean firefox latest and
not esr
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1231[18:33:19] <Lady_Aleena> annadane, I have 68.10.0esr (64-bit)
1232[18:33:42] <annadane> the debian package? hm, interesting
that it should tell you
1233[18:34:13] <annadane> anyway, you *should* restart firefox
after a firefox update
1234[18:34:19] <annadane> otherwise the changes won't take
effect
1236[18:35:25] <Lady_Aleena> annadane, I know, but sometimes
I'm working on something, and I don't want to lose my
place, but that is a minor inconvenience.
1237[18:35:40] <nvz> I personally only ever seen firefox say to
restart after installing plugins.. but that was ages ago.. I rarely
use firefox other than for "apps" cause I find it easier
to make icons with custom userChrome.css and profiles to launch
things totally chromeless and make em look like apps.. I do that for
netflix and such
1238[18:36:21] <nvz> browsers these days use db backends and dont
really have issues with losing anything across restarts
1239[18:36:33] <nvz> everything you do is entered into a db that
can easily be restored
1243[18:37:00] <nvz> both chromium and firefox-esr will say upon
relaunch something like do you want to restore your last session?
1244[18:38:06] <nvz> since all your tabs and form data and crap
is put into something like an sqlite database as you do it, doesnt
matter if it crashes or was manually restarted, the browser has it
all recorded for recovery
1246[18:38:52] <LtL> there was a firefox-esr update very
recently, that would prompt a restart had it been running.
1247[18:39:16] <nlpqda> Unknow issue is going on my debian buster
box, 1) after every reboot I must manually modprobe snd-hda-intel 2)
everytime plug in/out headset the sound goes mute until I #alsamixer
> unmute Speaker! can anyone recommend what to do other than
reinstalling OS?
1248[18:40:01] <nlpqda> 2nd issue seems to becaused by the 1st
driving thing
1249[18:40:09] <nlpqda> driver*
1250[18:42:56] <tinkertiger> 'lsmod' showed up but
unfortunately didn't help me solve my isue! hahaha
1251[18:44:48] <nvz> nlpqda: (apt policy;systemctl status
alsa-restore;systemctl status alsa-state;lsmod;pkexec journalctl
-k)|nc termbin.com 9999
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1264[18:49:08] <nvz> this is something that definately should not
happen... those commands should reveal an issue
1265[18:51:46] <nvz> if you'd like to review the log first
or need explaination of the commands thats fine, but without further
information we can't really guess at such an issue
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1269[18:58:29] <jhutchins> nlpqda: Which release are you on?
1270[18:58:57] <nvz> jhutchins: the stated claim is buster..
which is why I asked for more information
1271[18:59:26] <jhutchins> Oh, yeah, right there, first line.
1272[18:59:35] <nvz> I think I covered most bases aside from
blacklisting, but that should be somewhat apparent from the
information I've requested none the less
1283[19:03:41] <nlpqda> nvz: yeah they will be answreed + a lot
more information you're not authorized to know.
1284[19:04:15] <nvz> only some mac addresses and such.. if you
wanna play a million questions thats fine too.. but I personally
dont have the time for it right this minute
1285[19:04:37] <nvz> I have proposed a lot of things to try
address this.. creating a comprehensive support system that among
other things sterilizes such logs
1286[19:04:44] <nvz> but as of now we dont have any such things
1287[19:05:12] <Lady_Aleena> What command gets me my debian
version?
1288[19:05:27] <nvz> chances are if you can't fix an issue
like this, you are at greater risk from just owning and using a
computer than the trivial bits of info the kernel spits out
1289[19:05:38] <nlpqda> I maybe newbie but I'm not stupid to
give you access to my logs without even telling me that's what
you're to do ..and I believe that is illegel and should mind
your commands
1291[19:06:07] <nvz> yes, I understand your concerns.. and as I
said I could explain what the commands do if you like
1292[19:06:10] <Lady_Aleena> And I mean more than Debian 10
(buster).
1293[19:06:14] <nvz> hell Id even run it myself and post mine
here
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1295[19:09:26] <nvz> apt policy is only going to show us what
repositories you have configured and the packages you've pinned
if any, this helps us assure you're not using anything that may
complicate the issue like 3rd party packages or misconfigured apt
sources.. so we can reproduce the issue. the systemctl commands
merely indicate if the two alsa services started and when, this
tells us if the stuff that should be doing this
1296[19:09:32] <nvz> automatically is working, the lsmod merely
shows what drivers you have loaded which tells us if you may have a
conflicting driver, the journalctl -k outputs your kernels boot
messages so we can see what exactly the kernel did at boot and if it
complained about anything that would indicate why it didnt load this
stuff automatically.. this is the bit that would contain potentially
sensitive information but
1297[19:09:38] <nvz> mostly only things like MAC addresses which
are hardware level and not things that would be useful attack
vectors over the internet
1302[19:10:45] <nvz> is what the output looks like from the
system I'm on rigt now.. and I have little concern about
sharing that information
1303[19:11:11] <nvz> google already knows far more than that
about me
1304[19:12:40] <Lady_Aleena> nlpqda, why are you bulking at
showing your logs? Logs are the best way for them to help you with
your problems.
1305[19:13:17] <nvz> understandably concerned with the state of
affairs these days.. which is why among my many proposals was
sterilization of such log information
1311[19:15:03] <nvz> its a silly concern for situations like
this, where a user isnt skilled enough to fix a problem, yet thinks
their privacy/security is at risk (relatively signficant risk)
compared to all the other shit they don't know about that
collects info on them
1312[19:15:20] <nvz> but one that could be addressed none the
less
1313[19:16:42] <nvz> it'd take hours for me to ask all the
questions and get all the answers straight in my head
1317[19:18:31] <nvz> and a user that is too inexperienced to
evalutate the threat vectors and such of such information,
isn't going to be able to understand it enough to do it
properly and could have us just running around in circles having
missed something painfully obvious
1323[19:20:48] <Lady_Aleena> I have a feeling my system is
limping along most of the time with all the mixed up crap I have on
it.
1324[19:21:04] <nvz> I am not skilled enough to pull off my
ambitious ideas for an integrated support system that addresses all
these issues by myself, and its not getting much steam.. and
furthermore such people too inexperienced to trust us anyhow, whos
to say they'd even trust such a system either
1325[19:21:26] <nvz> they're probably the kinds of people
who wont send crash reports for apps that already do such things
like sterilizing information
1326[19:22:09] <Lady_Aleena> I'd love for my system to be
optimal, but with all the crap that is all mixed up, I doubt it will
ever happen.
1327[19:23:05] <Lady_Aleena> What is the most common log by the
way?
1329[19:23:16] <nvz> I dont think there is such a thing
1330[19:23:29] <nvz> journalctl kinda mashes most of it together
1331[19:23:37] <nvz> if you just run plain ol journalctl
1332[19:23:55] <nvz> but thats too much information for most
people to parse and too much to fit in termbin or such
1333[19:24:13] <nvz> journalctl -k is only the kernel messages
from boot
1334[19:24:30] <nvz> roughly equiv to the old /var/log/dmesg
1335[19:24:41] <Lady_Aleena> Okay, what reader does journalctl
and how do I get to the end quickly?
1336[19:25:01] <nvz> I think the -e option is what scrolls to the
end automatically
1337[19:25:12] <nvz> I'm still learning the whole systemd
crap :P
1338[19:25:29] <LtL> journalctl -f follows it starting at the
end, iirc
1339[19:25:43] <nvz> often the errors say to use -xe
1340[19:26:39] <nvz> most the logs are still there in the
traditional format, but /var/log/dmesg that used to be created at
boot by /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh is no longer there
1341[19:26:51] <nvz> afaik journalctl -k is the only way to get
that anymore
1359[19:30:43] <nvz> a log sterilizer I could probably manage on
my own.. you'd need a lot of regex and for it to compile a
database of sorts of all matching information so that it
conisistently sterilized every occurance of the same match
1360[19:31:18] <nvz> cause you cant just blank out the info..
you'd need to still be able to figure out if stuff is as it
should be
1361[19:31:36] <nvz> but you could replace it with generic
information
1370[19:35:01] <nvz> but doing so consistently.. every time it
finds a match it needs to record the ACTUAL information so every
time THAT SPECIFIC match occurs it sterilizes it with the same
generic string
1371[19:35:37] <libertycity> Hello, I wanted to comment on
several things
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1373[19:35:48] <nvz> everytime 192.168.1.1 comes up it needs to
be the same 1.2.3.4 and such
1374[19:35:54] <Lady_Aleena> libertycity, you don't have to
ask to comment, just comment. 8)
1375[19:37:13] <Lady_Aleena> Everyone should feel free to barge
in as they will unless it is trolling, then no.
1376[19:37:32] <libertycity> Lady_Aleena, Thank you
1377[19:37:35] * Lady_Aleena barges in all the time.
1378[19:38:09] <Lady_Aleena> nvz, have fun with that. 8)
1379[19:38:31] <libertycity> I have tried to speak this in #
debian-es, but nobody speaks there. Nice to see a chat alive, like
this one
1380[19:39:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1154
1381[19:39:03] <Lady_Aleena> I've been playing with
Perl::Critic lately, and my code is awful according to it.
1390[19:41:21] <libertycity> First of all, comment that there is
an error in the chromium package of the repositories, due to which,
the browser window closes suddenly. It happens very often, every
hour or every several hours
1391[19:42:11] <libertycity> happened to me first in Debian
Stable with XFCE, a few days or a few weeks ago. Currently this
error still occurs to me, being on Debian Testing with GNOME
1392[19:43:12] <nvz> yes I've had the issue on my sid box
too.. I haven't seen it on buster yet.. but I also havent
updated recently
1393[19:43:21] <nvz> its quite annoying
1394[19:43:40] <libertycity> I was surprised to see that in
Testing the error was still
1395[19:46:00] <libertycity> nvz, so is it reported?
1396[19:47:19] <nvz> I dont know the status of it to be honest..
since I havent experienced the issue on my stable box I havent
looked into it
1397[19:47:40] <nvz> I do however know many people I talk to
regularly are also aware of it so I'd assume so, yes.
1400[19:49:38] <nvz> one of the issues that annoys me is that
with our recent changes to how we handle things like browsers,
allowing them to update more frequently even in stable, we are also
often removing old packages from the repos which makes it harder to
just roll back when something like this happens
1401[19:49:40] <libertycity> nvz, Okay. Thanks for the info
1402[19:50:26] <nvz> all I can really say is that if it concerns
you, apt update, apt upgrade, and check the bts, file a bug if need
be
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1404[19:54:31] <libertycity> I have no experience with reporting
errors, I have never done it, really. So I wanted to comment here
1405[19:56:20] <libertycity> I imagine that it is a common
mistake for most users, and that some have already reported it
1406[19:56:46] <libertycity> Another thing I wanted to comment on
is the following
1407[19:57:01] <nvz> well, there is the package reportbug which
kind of walks you through the process of reporting errors
1416[20:02:03] <nvz> I personally don't like reportbug at
all.. but it may help you, as it steps you through the process which
includes looking up existing bugs, and showing you a template of
what information you should provide and such
1417[20:02:19] <nvz> it also fills in some of the more trivial
information like the proper package name and version for you
1422[20:04:53] <libertycity> The other issue: since there is no
official Google Drive client for Linux, I am trying to create an
automatic synchronization system between my / home and "my
drive" of Google Drive
1427[20:07:26] <pixan> i have added debug-debian bullseye to
sources.list in order to install firefox-esr-dbgsym. the apt command
says unmet dependencies on firefox-esr-dbgsym : Depends: firefox-esr
(= 68.10.0esr-1) but 68.10.0esr-1~deb10u1 is to be installed
1432[20:08:29] <libertycity> So that I can, on the one hand, make
the connection with "Online Accounts" to my
"Drive", and on the other hand, make the synchronization
between one route and another
1434[20:10:20] <libertycity> the problem is that to mount the
Google Drive unit, it is done from the "Files" browser,
with a marker added to it. And what I would like to know is the
command used by that marker, to be able to launch it and do the
assembly from the terminal
1436[20:11:15] <nvz> libertycity: yes well that is a problem with
such things, as they use gvfsd typically, which is not visible
outside things like GNOME
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1439[20:13:02] <nvz> libertycity: if in fact this uses gvfs, the
package gvfs-fuse may be of use as it provides a FUSE (Filesystem in
User-Space) driver to mount gvfs volumes like normal disks
1440[20:14:43] <pixan> is there better way to ask this or better
keywords to STFW?
1442[20:15:31] <nvz> pixan: the support channel for bullseye and
sid is on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net) and is called #debian-next
for what its worth. Idk what to suggest to you other than try
installing it with an --ignore-depends-version type thing
1446[20:16:25] <nvz> seems to me like this was just packaged
incorrectly (its likely done automatically) or you're using the
wrong repo/package for your system..
1451[20:17:17] <nvz> either way the automatic creation of and use
of debug packages is something Debian Developers and Debian
Maintainers would likely be more familiar with than debian users..
and you're more likely to find DM/DD on OFTC than here
1452[20:17:28] <nvz> as OFTC is the official irc network of
Debian
1454[20:17:47] <libertycity> nvz, Yes, but that way I
wouldn't even know where to start. What I wanted was to be able
to use the "online accounts" feature included in the
repositories. I was looking at other packages for the same purpose
(mount Google Drive on Linux), and they all forced to add
third-party repositories, something I don't want
1455[20:17:49] <pixan> DMDD ?
1456[20:18:24] <pixan> oh i just saw above
1457[20:18:57] <pixan> thanks i will down that road
1459[20:19:24] <nvz> channels like #debian-next, #debian-mentors
and such on OFTC are far more likely to be frequented by actual
members of the Debian Project who'd be more familiar with those
things
1460[20:19:40] <nvz> libertycity: well you have already started
by enabling google drive in GNOME
1461[20:19:49] <Admiral_Purr> pixan, is it safe to do that?
1462[20:20:06] <Admiral_Purr> Using Bullseye repos on Buster I
mean
1463[20:20:15] <nvz> libertycity: I can perhaps try it in a vm
and see if _I_ can do it then either explain it to you or give you a
video
1470[20:25:06] <libertycity> nvz, I don't know if I would
really be willing to do that test, but I would be very grateful to
him since I have been trying this project for several weeks
1472[20:27:20] <libertycity> nvz, effectively I would already
have Google Drive enabled in my Debian Gnome, mounting the unit with
the click of a button. The next thing I need is that this assembly
can be automated, and I imagine that the only way would be to do it
from the terminal, although I am open to other simple suggestions to
implement
1481[20:35:12] <nvz> libertycity: then your google drive would be
available in your XDG_RUNTIME_DIR i.e.
/run/user/1000/google-drive\:host\=gmail.com\,user\=yourname/
1482[20:35:33] <nvz> you could then perhaps link it somewhere
else if you like
1484[20:37:40] <nvz> libertycity: you can type echo
$XDG_RUNTIME_DIR in the terminal to see where your XDG_RUNTIME_DIR
is then look under there for a gvfs/ dir and in there should be your
google drive
1485[20:38:14] <nvz> libertycity: after installing gvfs-fuse that
is.. and if you want, to make it easier you can use ln -s to create
a symlink to it somewhere you can find it easier
1486[20:39:40] <nvz> gvfs-fuse really needs some documentation
because its use isnt straight-forward
1487[20:39:51] <nvz> who'd think to look in that location
for it :P
1488[20:40:29] <nvz> there is no readme or manpage or anything in
the package
1495[20:45:12] <nvz> libertycity: the GNOME settings you
configured to login to your google account should take care of that,
and anything on gvfs will be automatically put there by gvfs-fuse in
the $XDR_RUNTIME_DIR/gvfs/
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1499[20:46:30] <libertycity>
/run/user/1000/google-drive\:host\=gmail.com\,user\=yourname/
Indeed, this is the path that is created of my mounted Drive unit,
when using the procedure included by "online accounts",
when clicking on the marker created in the file explorer
1509[20:54:21] <nvz> but its not just the terminal that doesnt
see gvfs, kodi and such cant see gvfs things either... gvfs-fuse is
handy as hell, its just a bit rough around the edges
1510[20:54:37] <libertycity> nvz, the point is that this route is
only available when the unit has been mounted
1511[20:55:08] <karlpinc> nvz: Does it not show because it's
fuse/userspace?
1516[20:57:40] <nvz> the XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is about as remote and
foreign a place to most users as the depths of the windows registry
would be to windows users
1517[20:58:53] <nvz> I can see why its done that way though.. to
make it a standard that can be applied to all without overriding
policies like the FHS or such, and without being b0rked by
site-specific or distro-specific stuff
1519[20:59:53] <nvz> a tiny bit of documentation on the package
and perhaps a helper program to create/maintain links or such
wouldnt hurt
1520[21:00:31] <libertycity> karlpinc, "type findmnt"
to see what's mounted. With this could you see the command
executed to launch the Google Drive drive mount by Gnome
"online accounts"?
1521[21:00:35] <nvz> it is however really handy and dead simple
to use
1540[21:05:20] <nvz> its made for people with no damn experience
that will do one thing at a time, and dont want to be bothered with
tradional interfaces where stuff is just organized into a normal
menu
1541[21:05:30] <libertycity> nvz, Do you mean that what I want is
not easily within reach?
1542[21:05:35] <nvz> its painful as all hell to try tradionally
compute in GNOME
1543[21:05:48] <nvz> libertycity: have you ever used a computer
before? :D
1545[21:06:08] <nvz> nothing else out there works the way gnome
does except maybe MacOS X
1546[21:06:34] <annadane> #makexfcethedefault
1547[21:06:54] <nvz> there are not just clean categories in a
menu.. you don't just click Applications > Internet >
Firefox.. you gotta go hunt for it all mashed in with everything
else or use the search bar to find it
1552[21:07:19] <nvz> where it is on any GNOME system depends on
how much crap is installed
1553[21:07:51] <nvz> and I dont wanna have to involve my keyboard
to click a launcher icon by searching for a damn icon that should
just be SOMEWHER _CONSISTENTLY_
1554[21:08:20] <nvz> trying to do anything in GNOME is just a
headache to me
1555[21:08:52] <nvz> you simply could not pay me enough to have
to use something so ridiculous on a daily basis.. I rather use
Windows 3.11 in todays world than GNOME
1556[21:09:01] <libertycity> nvz, Thanks to the Gnome extensions,
I have a classic menu, where all the applications appear sorted by
categories.
1557[21:09:02] <libertycity> But I will tell you that my desktop
has always been XFCE, until I find something I cannot do there, and
I go up to GNOME
1558[21:09:40] <diogenes_> nvz, who forces you to use GNOME?
1559[21:09:51] <nvz> nobody other than users who need support for
it :P
1560[21:10:12] <nvz> and I do it cause I care about Debian and
its users..
1561[21:10:31] <nvz> even if they insist on using ridiculous
stuff you gotta HACK to make it usable
1562[21:10:42] <diogenes_> bravo nvz you deserve a cookie :)
1563[21:11:19] <nvz> na, I deserve some pepto bismol.. I'd
probably just regurgitate the cookie
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1565[21:13:39] <libertycity> nvz, I am an XFCE user normally, as
I say.
1566[21:13:40] <libertycity> A few days ago I had to switch to
Gnome, precisely because I could not configure "online
accounts" in XFCE, despite the fact that there are articles
where the procedure is indicated
1569[21:14:51] <nvz> libertycity: it may just be that the stable
version of XFCE in Debian is before those features were implemented
1570[21:15:40] <nvz> GNOME has been around decades, XFCE is
relatively young, it still has a long way to go before its as mature
as GNOME or MATE
1571[21:15:56] <libertycity> nvz, However, I don't see
anything wrong with Gnome, I like his approach. It takes great
advantage of keyboard shortcuts. It is pleasing to the eye.
1572[21:15:56] <libertycity> I just end up going back to XFCE for
resource consumption, from Gnome
1575[21:16:41] <nvz> libertycity: as you learn the inner workings
of your Desktop Environment you can start mixing and matching the
things you like and create a custom setup
1577[21:17:20] <nvz> problem is bloated DE like GNOME are
becoming so integrated you are needing more and more components just
to make certain things work
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1579[21:17:55] <nvz> but most the DE share common things like
gvfs, dconf, etc..
1580[21:18:11] <nvz> they just implement their own session
managers, configuration daemons, etc..
1599[21:39:38] <nvz> if they make you go through finding that
settings app, navigating in there, signing in, only to not make it
persistent thats just ignorant
1667[22:19:10] <libertycity> nvz, I do not understand. Would not
it be enough to indicate the address of the mount point, when
synchronizing? Example:
/run/user/1000/gvfs/google-drive:host=gmail.com,user=my.email
1673[22:23:00] <libertycity> nvz, On the other hand, I do not
know if you have verified that, once the Google Drive unit is
mounted, when accessing it from the terminal, the names of the files
and folders are different from how they appear in the browser (in
google drive from the browser Web). This will affect something when
syncing local folders on Google Drive? Is it a limitation imposed by
Google?
1698[22:46:17] <libertycity> nvz, this does not produce any error
in my terminal, and what it does is, first mount the drive (achieved
thanks to you), and second change to the directory of the mounted
drive
1702[22:50:28] <libertycity> nvz, Apart from simply shortening
the text of the path, do you say it provides any more improvement?
create problems working with full mount path, when syncing files?
1703[22:51:39] <libertycity> nvz, By the way, thank you very much
for your help, it has been great to see how you have solved the
problem of mounting the unit
1704[22:52:10] <Aebian> can someone point me in the right
direction: I want my bluetooth speakers to connect using A2DP.
However they alwatys connect with the headset profile and I then
need to manually change it.
1706[22:54:43] <nvz> libertycity: no, its just about the path and
not just the length but the fact that this google drive path
contains special characters which could choak an improperly written
command or script
1708[23:00:27] <libertycity> nvz, I get it. Okay, so I'll do
it then using a symbolic link (I'll learn how to work with them
before, since I barely have any experience with them on linux,
unlike on windows). Thank you! It has been quite a job what you have
done! :)
1731[23:28:35] <Gigglebyte> Trying to recover the username and
password for a guests's computer but the line now says
root@(none):/# What went wrong? Shouldn't there be a username
there?
1732[23:29:23] <rudi_s> Gigglebyte: That's fine when
you've booted with init=/bin/sh; the hostname is missing.