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• 29[00:13:55] <tobiasBora> Does anyone knows a way to do the same thing as the bash "init-file", but using sh ?
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• 31[00:15:31] <tobiasBora> (I'd like to run an interactive bash, but print some text on it)
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• 35[00:18:03] <n4dir> to me it isn't clear what you mean: what is the "init-file" and what do you mean with sh, a posix shell?
• 36[00:18:09] <rotaticus> tobiasBora: are you talking about .bashrc ... for sh it's .profile iirc
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• 49[00:25:38] <tobiasBora> rotaticus: n4dir : I'd like to run a single sh shell (it can be the sh program of debian, but also the sh of alpine linux... any sh implementation if possible) such that the first action of this shell is to run a command like ". ~/myscript", and then give back the input to the user without closing itself
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• 51[00:25:58] <tobiasBora> bash provides --input-file that can be somehow turn to do the same thing,
• 52[00:26:20] <tobiasBora> and I'd like o know it it's possible to use on any shell "sh" a similar method
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• 54[00:26:41] <n4dir> if i am not wrong in debian sh is a symlink to dash
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• 56[00:27:13] <n4dir> but i think rotaticus is right, i would use the .profile file in home
• 57[00:27:24] <n4dir> wait. not so sure anymore
• 58[00:27:50] <tremon> it's /etc/profile for system-wide init
• 59[00:27:55] <tobiasBora> n4dir: the problem of the .profile also is that it will be run every time I open sh, while me I'd like to do that only once
• 60[00:28:04] <n4dir> isn't profile only read during login?
• 61[00:28:27] <tremon> not sure if dash obeys that file, because it's not intended to be used as an interactive shell
• 62[00:28:41] <n4dir> what does myscript is supposed to do?
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• 64[00:29:43] <n4dir> mywiki.wooledge.org might have an explanation what file gets read when, but perhaps not for all shells.
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• 68[00:31:03] <zlg> Which group within Debian would be the one to talk to about the inclusion of elliptic curve code? My guess is Policy or the Tech Committee. We at Gentoo are investigating whether or not to include this in our release media and are looking for input from other distros.
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• 70[00:31:40] <dax> zlg: because of patent issues, or...?
• 71[00:31:44] <zlg> yes
• 72[00:32:02] <dax> the debian-legal@ mailing list would be the usual starting point
• 73[00:32:09] <zlg> okay, great. Thanks!
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• 79[00:34:53] <n4dir> tobiasBora: replaced-url
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• 83[00:37:15] <tobiasBora> n4dir: this is interesting, but here I think that they want to use an init file that will be used by default on all sh instances, while here I want to use it only on one instance. I could do a dirty think like moving the existing .profile, add my text, and then in a parallel thread move it back, but it seem really ugly...
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• 88[00:39:08] <n4dir> i don't think it is what they want to do, but the way that it is.
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• 91[00:40:06] <n4dir> i think what you do is called a xy problem. You describe your possible solution, but it would be more helpful if you told us what myscript is supposed to do
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• 106[00:47:01] <tobiasBora> n4dir: ok, well myscript is supposed to launch a shell that runs inside proot, and for convenient reason, I need to load into some environment variables
• 107[00:48:42] <tobiasBora> with a shell bash, for now I do "proot -b ... bash --init-file <(echo ". ./myinitfile")"
• 108[00:49:17] <tobiasBora> that way, myinitfile is run only when I load proot
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• 111[00:50:10] <n4dir> that makes it much clearer. But i sure got no idea how to do that.
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• 117[00:51:23] <n4dir> well: i guess i would set the environment variables rather in the chroot, not when launchign it.
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• 120[00:51:52] <tobiasBora> what do you mean ?
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• 122[00:52:09] <tobiasBora> proot is not a real chroot program
• 123[00:52:23] <n4dir> edit the profile or bashrc file inside the proot / chroot environment.
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• 130[00:55:42] <tobiasBora> Hum... When you run proof with "proof -b /home/me/nix:/nix bash", it converts all /nix/... in /home/me/nix, but I don't think that if I ask /home/me/.profile he will redirect to /home/me/nix/home/leo/.profile no ?
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• 135[00:59:37] <candidat1> hi i try to reset my root password with this method: replaced-url
• 136[00:59:50] <candidat1> where do you put the init=/bin/bash
• 137[00:59:52] <candidat1> ?
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• 139[01:01:24] <n4dir> candidat1: the headline says it, during the grub-menu
• 140[01:01:34] <n4dir> clear now?
• 141[01:01:36] <candidat1> press e yes i did
• 142[01:01:59] <candidat1> but where do i add init=/bin/bash ??
• 143[01:02:35] <n4dir> the how-to says to use the "End" key to go to the end of the line, and add it just ther.
• 144[01:02:52] <candidat1> anywhere ????
• 145[01:03:06] <n4dir> at the end of the line. at least that's how i understand it.
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• 147[01:03:16] <candidat1> there are a few lines ...
• 148[01:03:28] <n4dir> will be only for that boot anyway, so it seems a safe operation
• 149[01:03:39] <n4dir> it says on the kernel line
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• 155[01:07:37] <candidat1> there is no kernel line
• 156[01:07:45] <candidat1> inmod
• 157[01:07:55] <candidat1> set root= hdo , msdos1
• 158[01:08:00] <candidat1> ???
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• 164[01:09:39] <n4dir> i am not sure. either the line which starts with "linux" or the one which starts with "initrd". My guess would be the "initrd"
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• 167[01:10:07] <candidat1> ok
• 168[01:10:45] <Tsutsukakushi> put it at the end of the linux line
• 169[01:10:46] <n4dir> i usually use the chroot solution. gotta say that i am rather lousy with the grub prompt. If in doubt ask agan
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• 172[01:11:13] <candidat1> and then ctrl x ?
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• 174[01:11:53] <Tsutsukakushi> it should have instructions for booting at the bottom of the screen
• 175[01:11:55] <Tsutsukakushi> or the top
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• 177[01:13:10] <candidat1> oh it seems to boot or am i wrong ...
• 178[01:13:26] <candidat1> :)
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• 180[01:13:43] <Tsutsukakushi> i rarely edit the entries, just use the commandline
• 181[01:14:09] <Tsutsukakushi> so i don't remember what the edit mode commands are for booting etc.
• 182[01:14:29] <n4dir> Tsutsukakushi: the how to he linked to said to use "b", but i would not know
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• 184[01:14:54] <Tsutsukakushi> every edit mode i've seen has the instructions right on the screen
• 185[01:14:59] <n4dir> yup.
• 186[01:15:13] <Tsutsukakushi> so i dunno why you would go with the how to in that case :p
• 187[01:15:21] <Tsutsukakushi> just go with what grub itself tells you
• 188[01:16:15] <candidat1> f10 did the job
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• 190[01:16:28] <candidat1> it started the live dvd
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• 192[01:16:44] <Tsutsukakushi> kwl
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• 195[01:17:05] <candidat1> still loading
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• 197[01:19:20] <rotaticus> dvd will only help if your chroot n do stuff there
• 198[01:20:11] <n4dir> and editing the grub-line won't be of any use for that. slightly confused.
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• 203[01:21:11] <rotaticus> it will ... it enables via init=/bin/bash a passwordless login as root ... which allows passwd to be run
• 204[01:21:22] <n4dir> yes, but not for the liveDVD
• 205[01:21:33] <rotaticus> ok right
• 206[01:21:54] <candidat1> i have my http server on it :)
• 207[01:22:05] <candidat1> still loading the live cd
• 208[01:22:07] <candidat1> lol
• 209[01:22:08] <n4dir> once he booted the liveDVD anyway i would go for chroot
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• 216[01:24:30] <rotaticus> you'd need the grub line edit from the hdd for that init line ... not the dvd
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• 223[01:28:55] <candidat1> i think the cd is loading nothing up
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• 291[02:16:37] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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• 304[02:23:55] <annadane> tobiasBora, hi. do you have a question?
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• 307[02:24:51] <tobiasBora> annadane: I had one, but not sure I should post it here because it's not strictly happening on a debian system
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• 310[02:25:43] <annadane> that's fair enough. sorry to bother you.
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• 317[02:29:11] <tobiasBora> ahah no problem, it's me who appology
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• 359[02:58:44] <Megaf> screenshots of my desktop replaced-url
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• 362[02:59:49] <annadane> Megaf, belongs in #debian-offtopic, not here, unless you have a support question
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• 367[03:03:46] <Megaf> annadane, eh, since when this channel is official? The official is at OFTC
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• 375[03:04:59] <annadane> Megaf, yes, but it still doesn't mean you can be offtopic here; this channel despite being unofficial has double the users and is still used for support
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• 392[03:11:10] <Megaf> annadane, I could bet at least 80% of the people here dont know/care if this channel is for support only
• 393[03:11:22] <Megaf> ;)
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• 396[03:11:53] <Megaf> We are all a community, a Debian community, and we are here to talk about our beloved distro
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• 400[03:12:36] <Megaf> And this is something that should change in Freenode in IMHO, support channels should be called -Support, and not the way it is today
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• 409[03:17:00] <nezZario> guys, what's the best way to do x forwarding over a local network?
• 410[03:17:03] <Loeb> Are there any major downsides to using the wheel group for sudo access instead of the sudo gruop?
• 411[03:17:28] <Loeb> It should just involve making the change in /etc/sudoers, not sure if anything would ever specifically call for the sudo group other than sudoers itself.
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• 413[03:17:57] <nezZario> I mean, I had just regular "x forwarding" setup last weekend, where I just allowed incoming connections on my (slower) laptop and was running a few apps off my desktop which is on the same local network but it was still pretty slow
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• 416[03:18:12] <Megaf> nezZario, ssh -X
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• 418[03:18:34] <nezZario> Megaf: wouldn't that be slower than just doing export DISPLAY=xxx; ./myapp .. off the other machine?
• 419[03:18:40] <nezZario> encryption overhead and all
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• 421[03:18:51] <nezZario> or is it somehow better? that's what i'm asking
• 422[03:19:53] <nezZario> for example, I was running a Java IDE/editor (intellij) off it and it was decently usable but noticably a little laggy, .. but like chrome was completely unusable
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• 425[03:20:37] <Megaf> nezZario, do tests and see what works best for you
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• 427[03:20:53] <Megaf> nezZario, the standard old school way would be XDMCP
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• 429[03:21:22] <nezZario> yeah I actually would really like to do XDMCP but I was not able to get it working properly with lightdm
• 430[03:22:03] <nezZario> basically I have a very very powerful workstation upstairs in my home office and a couple of low powered laptops. it would be so excellent if I could just use these laptops as thin clients and have it smooth
• 431[03:22:25] <nezZario> you're right though. i'll keep playing with it. thanks :)
• 432[03:22:31] <Megaf> XDMCP it is
• 433[03:22:38] <Megaf> keep researching
• 434[03:23:19] <Megaf> replaced-url
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• 442[03:26:49] <nezZario> odd. ssh does seem a little more responsive. chrome is almost usable
• 443[03:26:54] <nezZario> wonder why? compression maybe?
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• 458[03:40:17] <Loeb> Help!
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• 463[03:43:26] <KingAdolf> Hello
• 464[03:43:42] <KingAdolf> All hail my weener
• 465[03:43:52] <KingAdolf> i am king of the farts. ttyl.
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• 467[03:44:39] <debiandragon> damned arch users :)
• 468[03:44:45] <debiandragon> kingsley:
• 469[03:44:55] <debiandragon> er not him
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• 486[03:56:20] <jim> Loeb, the main thing, is that these groups are created, deleted and to some degree managed by the packaging of certain packages... it could be, that if you change that and then deal with those packages, it could alter the stored info about the groups... what is it you need wheel for?
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• 490[03:57:25] <Loeb> @jim I've got debian based and RH based servers I need to automate user groups for, and it's a lot easier to just run everything deb or deb based on the wheel group than automate the different groups.
• 491[03:58:08] <Loeb> If it's just edge cases then I could add the sudo group for any user account that runs a package that this causes problems for.
• 492[03:58:21] <Loeb> Just wasn't sure if there was anything generally important it might break.
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• 495[04:00:34] <jim> someone here can tell you the details of the packages that manage the sudo (most likely, that;s created by the sudo package) and the wheel groups; I've done sysadmin stuff too, and it -should- be in the admin's hands what groups do what... the reality is, it might be more complex than that
• 496[04:01:36] <jim> one thing you can do, is purge the sudo package, compile your own and get it working... then, the issues of the groups should be disconnected from debian packaging
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• 498[04:01:49] <jim> and you should be able to do what you want
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• 501[04:02:47] <Loeb> Hopefully I won't need to go that far. I'll keep it in mind though.
• 502[04:03:18] <Loeb> At this point I think I'm better off just using wheel and seeing if anything breaks.
• 503[04:03:30] <jim> other than having sudo as an easily installed unit, I don't know of other benefits to using the sudo package as opposed to building (and therefore maintaining) it yourself
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• 505[04:04:16] <Loeb> I mean, sudo by itself should work the same if I just add/change the group name in /etc/sudoers?
• 506[04:04:41] <jim> would there be any downside to having both wheel and sudo as groups?
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• 508[04:05:53] <Loeb> That's the other option. In debian it shouldn't make a difference as long as the wheel pam thing is disabled (as it is by default). In RH based I don't imagine having a sudo group would make a difference at all. It might be a possible security risk???? But I think someone would have to compromise a system first.
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• 511[04:07:49] <jim> again, as a sysadmin, you should be able to do what you want,,, unfortunately, some things you could do could confuse dpkg
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• 513[04:08:27] <jim> doesn't sudo have an optional addition to use wheel?
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• 516[04:10:09] <Loeb> Not that I've heard of.
• 517[04:10:35] <Loeb> I'll take the risk of confusing dpkg for now. Most of the debian based systems are the ones I oversee entirely so it's less of a problem if they bork for some reason.
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• 519[04:11:21] <Loeb> Ty for the help jim
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• 628[05:23:33] <Shmam> Having trouble getting my machine to boot: replaced-url
• 629[05:23:48] <Shmam> got that via uart on my orange pi running armbian
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• 663[05:54:58] <Shmam> Having trouble getting my machine to boot: replaced-url
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• 718[06:34:14] <rant> Shmam: you're way beyond the scope of this channel.. and I sympathize with your issue cause I'm using an orangepilite as my main system, but you're not even running debian on that, you're running ubuntu
• 719[06:34:43] <Shmam> armbian
• 720[06:34:47] <Shmam> not ubuntu
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• 722[06:35:03] <Shmam> also where should I post this because i have no idea what it means
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• 726[06:36:21] <rant> Shmam: armbian is not a distro.. it is a script with a uboot setup, a couple utils, a kernel and some drivers.. its either ubuntu or debian and you're using the ubuntu version
• 727[06:36:57] <rant> Shmam: there is #armbian #orangepi #armlinux #linux-sunxi #ubuntu ..etc
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• 729[06:37:22] <rant> Shmam: #linux-sunxi is the channel for the kernels we're using
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• 731[06:37:44] <Shmam> k. going to post there then thanks
• 732[06:37:56] <rant> Shmam: use several of those channels
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• 734[06:38:37] <rant> Shmam: they're all rather low-volume channels and it may take a long time to get a response.. #organepi, #armbian, and #linux-sunxi are the 3 most applicable other than an ubuntu channel
• 735[06:39:01] <rant> Shmam: and fwiw, use the debian version then for most things other than these kernel related issues we can support here
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• 737[06:39:21] <Shmam> ok sounds good thanks
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• 739[06:39:41] <Shmam> WOOAH root
• 740[06:39:44] <Shmam> the root
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• 743[06:40:53] <rant> Shmam: in my experience in the last 3 months the most active people in the orangepi world are the 3 developers of h3droid, which also frequent those other channels
• 744[06:41:29] <Shmam> ok. hopefully someone will answer and figure out what i fricked up
• 745[06:42:05] <rant> yeah well one of them is in my timezone, US/EST and the other two are in europe.. so they're probably all 3 asleep right now
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• 747[06:44:32] <rant> Shmam: since you seem to know a bit about uart and stuff and unlike me arent using this as your main system, you can probably help those guys test out their software and get to know em better.. they'll be a good resource for helping you in the future and they've made their h3droid able to now dual-boot armbian
• 748[06:45:39] <Shmam> wait so you are actually using a SBC as your main computer?
• 749[06:45:42] <rant> Shmam: you need a decent sd card though to test their system cause android does a lot more disk I/O than armbian does.. a cheap card with poor access speed wont work well
• 750[06:45:53] <rant> Shmam: yeah and the OPI Lite no less..
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• 754[06:47:23] <Shmam> jeez
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• 756[06:47:40] <Shmam> thats crazy dood
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• 759[06:48:23] <rant> yeah, but it was cheap :P heh.. seriously though if you got the time and like to tinker get to know those h3droid guys and lend em a hand.. they know a lot about these things and they're on daily
• 760[06:49:14] <rant> they can really use more people to test stuff and they'd appreciate the help
• 761[06:49:58] <Shmam> I'm a bit low on time at the moment and was hoping to get a few little servers running for various projects
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• 764[06:50:25] <Shmam> unfortunately, the CHIPs fell through so the OPI was plan b
• 765[06:50:56] <rant> ah. well I just mentioned it because those are the guys most likely to be around on a daily basis to help you out when you need to know stuff about these boards.. and if you can help them out a bit, they'll be more willing to help you out
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• 768[06:51:32] <Shmam> yeah totally. I would love to help them with whatever time I have but rn it's a bit limited unfortunately.
• 769[06:51:36] <rant> and as I said as of their current release their system now dual-boots with armbian
• 770[06:51:57] <Shmam> If I get this one working then I might pick up a few more OPIs
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• 773[06:52:36] <rant> Shmam: try the debian version.. you have to click on other downloads on the armbian site.. they push ubuntu as the main d/l but I use the debian versin and it works good for me
• 774[06:53:18] <Shmam> I think what happened was that I accidentally pushed the sd card out while unplugging my OPI.
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• 776[06:53:30] <Shmam> which totally f*cked everything
• 777[06:53:40] <Shmam> I hate how close the plug is to the sd card slot
• 778[06:53:42] <rant> yeah thats a good way to screw it up
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• 782[06:54:21] <rant> I did mine with a usb card reader and dd
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• 784[06:54:30] <Shmam> where do I get the debian server armbian builds?
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• 786[06:54:44] <Shmam> I only see ubuntu servr here: replaced-url
• 787[06:55:00] <rant> Shmam: there isn't a "server" version it just comes as a debian base system.. then you install whatever you want
• 788[06:55:37] <Shmam> does that come with a gui and stuff?
• 789[06:55:45] <Shmam> cuz i dont want all of that junk
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• 793[06:56:23] <rant> no its just base.. no x or anything installed.. you gotta install what you want
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• 795[06:56:44] <Shmam> cool. can u send me a dl link?
• 796[06:56:57] <rant> IIRC the OPI One is same as my OPI Lite just ethernet instead of wifi
• 797[06:57:25] <rant> look at replaced-url
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• 799[06:57:46] <Shmam> and just dl debian_jessie_default.7z
• 800[06:57:58] <rant> unzip and dd to your sd card
• 801[06:58:10] <Shmam> currently on windows >_<
• 802[06:58:19] <Shmam> etcher is really good
• 803[06:58:21] <rant> well actually.. lemme see waht that file is
• 804[06:59:12] <rant> ah crap its 208mb.. better d/l that on a remote box my internet is too slow here
• 805[06:59:28] <Shmam> feels bad
• 806[06:59:46] <Shmam> I actually downloaded it in less than 5 seconds...
• 807[07:00:14] <Shmam> anyways lemme etcher this puppy over
• 808[07:00:35] <rant> yeah will download in under 30 sec on this machine (remote system) woulda took half an hour on my pi
• 809[07:01:18] <Shmam> why is the connection on ur pi so much slower? wifi?
• 810[07:01:28] <rant> yeah hotspot over 400ft away :P
• 811[07:01:56] <Shmam> well lets see what this debian image really is
• 812[07:02:12] <Shmam> i hope it has an ssh server enabled
• 813[07:02:29] <Shmam> already put my uart cable away
• 814[07:03:02] <rant> yeah I believe it has ssh on it by default cause I had to disable it
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• 816[07:03:46] <rant> Shmam: you dont have a monitor to hook it to?
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• 818[07:04:16] <Shmam> nope
• 819[07:04:29] <rant> there is a script you run on first boot that sets up a user, and resizes the filesystem
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• 822[07:04:50] <Shmam> where is that script?
• 823[07:04:55] <rant> default login I think is just root and 1234
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• 825[07:05:59] <rant> I think the script either runs at first login or it will have it in the MOTD
• 826[07:06:27] <rant> but you should be able to ssh in as root and use 1234 as password
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• 828[07:08:00] <rant> Shmam: the image has a small filesystem, the script resizes it to the card size and then you reboot
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• 831[07:08:43] <rant> first login should take care of all that, setting up a user, changing root pw, resizing filesystem etc.. then yu just apt-get whatever packages you need
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• 834[07:10:54] <Shmam> okey dokey
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• 1040[09:31:14] <darkad> Hi all, I need to install debian-9.2.1-i386-netinst.iso on my old pentium 4 pc, I set the preference on bios to start from usb , but it says "isolinux.bin missing or corrupt"
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• 1048[09:33:10] <annadane> darkad, might be a corrupt image, how'd you put it on the usb?
• 1049[09:33:47] <darkad> annadane, with etcher
• 1050[09:34:26] <Silvering> Hi everyone! I deployed my django app on a debian server. Everything works great except the upload of file.... I receive 413 Request Entity Too Large each time I try to send file bigger than 20M. I edited the apache2.conf, the php.ini and nginx.conf in order to avoid this but same issue... Any idea ?
• 1051[09:34:41] <annadane> !etcher
• 1052[09:34:41] <dpkg> somebody said etcher was initial testing shows etcher is not a reliable way to copy debian images for installation. instead use cp or dd for linux, or win32diskimager for windows. replaced-url
• 1053[09:34:45] <annadane> darkad, ^
• 1054[09:35:11] <annadane> darkad, are you on windows or linux?
• 1055[09:35:26] <darkad> annadane, in linux
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• 1057[09:36:04] <Silvering> Here is my nginx.conf : replaced-url
• 1058[09:36:17] <annadane> okay. so find out what your device is via something like lsblk, unmount it and cp debian-9.2.1-i386-netinst.iso /dev/sdx where /dev/sdx is the name of your device, then type sync
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• 1060[09:37:01] <annadane> so "cp debian-9.2.1-i386-netinst.iso /dev/sdx" enter "sync" enter
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• 1087[09:49:57] <darkad> annadane, I don't have the message "isolinux missing" but I have a blinking cursor
• 1088[09:50:43] <annadane> darkad, i'm not sure what the problem is then, i'm sorry :(
• 1089[09:51:04] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
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• 1096[09:53:59] <darkad> maybe I have to hold the shift button, to see if it stasrts grub?
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• 1100[09:55:45] <darkad> nothing
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• 1104[09:58:12] <annadane> darkad, what you can do is try debian-user@lists.debian.org as it's late and you may not get a response for a few hours
• 1105[09:58:46] <annadane> (hey, i remembered the email for once!)
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• 1107[09:59:25] <tvm> darkad: if you have linux, just copy the image to your usb with dd
• 1108[09:59:38] <tvm> darkad: eg., dd if=debian.img of=/dev/sdX bs=32M
• 1109[10:00:13] <Tarrasquero> Look at the graphical configuration, the exchange between screens.
• 1110[10:00:14] <annadane> though dd isn't intrinisically more reliable than cp?
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• 1112[10:00:23] <tvm> cp won't work, you need to copy the raw image
• 1113[10:00:32] <eck> you can use cat too
• 1114[10:00:38] <eck> you don' thave to use dd
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• 1116[10:01:04] <eck> i don't see why cp wouldn't work either
• 1117[10:01:06] <annadane> ^
• 1118[10:01:07] <tvm> well, that's what works for me reliably
• 1119[10:01:09] <annadane> was going to say
• 1120[10:01:12] <tvm> cp assumes filesystem
• 1121[10:01:21] <eck> what does that even mean
• 1122[10:01:24] <bezaban> tvm: no it doesn't
• 1123[10:01:35] <eck> a block device is a regular unix file form the syscall pov
• 1124[10:01:36] <annadane> well, try dd, i suppose, it couldn't hurt, but i doubt it works where cp fails
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• 1128[10:01:50] <tvm> oh, you are right
• 1129[10:01:54] <FinalX> cp also does permission/timestamp stuff to the target, you really do not want that on a block device
• 1130[10:02:07] <FinalX> it will work, but i wouldn't recommend it
• 1131[10:02:12] <tvm> but i'm copying netinst isos to sticks daily and dd works reliably
• 1132[10:02:20] <eck> it doesn't to timestamp stuff on the targe, that's stored in the inodes
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• 1134[10:02:21] <babilen> So does cp
• 1135[10:02:24] <eck> and a block device doesn't have an inode
• 1136[10:02:31] <FinalX> I had basic GNU tools remove /dev/null once that way due to a bug
• 1137[10:02:34] <annadane> ugh, i can never tell what you're supposed to use from discussions like these, it's never clear
• 1138[10:02:36] <babilen> cp is perfectly fine for copying block devices
• 1139[10:02:41] <bezaban> cp works fine to write images to block devices
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• 1141[10:02:56] <annadane> it's the new editor wars
• 1142[10:02:57] <FinalX> like i said, it'll work, but i wouldn't recommend it :p
• 1143[10:03:09] <bezaban> annadane: it's not, there is an objective truth here and it's really easy to test :)
• 1144[10:03:11] <annadane> FinalX, so, what, you recommend dd in all circumstances?
• 1145[10:03:28] <tvm> for me, dd works reliably, never tried cp way.
• 1146[10:03:30] <babilen> There is no reason to .. in fact it might even be faster due to blocksize scaling, but that would need reliable numbers that I couldn't have been arsed to compile
• 1147[10:03:34] <FinalX> no, I'd say cat is a perfect alternative as you only pipe stdin to the block device and nothing else
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• 1150[10:03:46] <babilen> And .. if you use dd you might as well use dcfldd
• 1151[10:03:54] <FinalX> you can even use python or whatever and write to it
• 1152[10:03:59] <babilen> But both have awkward syntax compared to cp
• 1153[10:04:08] <FinalX> I just wouldn't use tools that don't *only* do that.
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• 1156[10:04:30] <babilen> FinalX: cat is tricky as it doesn't work well with sudo (i/o redirection)
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• 1159[10:04:55] <FinalX> additionally, some tools like dd know more about devices and the inner workings and might throw clearer errors when something goes wrong
• 1160[10:05:10] <eck> the whole point of dd is that it doesn't know about the inner workings of devices
• 1161[10:05:12] <FinalX> sudo.. :)
• 1162[10:05:21] <eck> that's why you need to specify a blocksize yourself
• 1163[10:05:31] <FinalX> which you can't with cp or cat.
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• 1165[10:05:48] <eck> the blocksize doesn't really do anything, all it does is affect the size of the write buffer
• 1166[10:05:50] <FinalX> it knows about different sync mechanisms as well
• 1167[10:06:01] <FinalX> yeah which you can not set with cat or cp
• 1168[10:06:05] <eck> ok man
• 1169[10:06:11] <eck> you're the expert
• 1170[10:06:15] <bezaban> lol
• 1171[10:06:39] <FinalX> eck: show me the options to cat and cp to specify block size and sync options
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• 1175[10:07:07] <FinalX> I'll gladly use them next time.
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• 1177[10:07:15] <FinalX> no? thought so..
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• 1180[10:08:00] <babilen> dd and dcfldd are great tools that are needed *once* you legitmately have to make use of their features that distinguish them from other tools. For copying whole files/devices cp are perfectly fine and *might* even be better, but you can't easily express things such as "Copy 512k starting with an offset of 1024k from /dev/sda with a blocksize of 512k" or somesuch
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• 1184[10:08:44] <annadane> anyway there's a million and one ways to copy files, you can even try using gparted
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• 1187[10:09:04] <annadane> i don't know if debian specifically recommends against doing that but i don't think so
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• 1192[10:10:14] <annadane> did we even answer the question at all...
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• 1196[10:10:55] <babilen> What was the question?
• 1197[10:10:57] <babilen> ;)
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• 1203[10:11:23] <annadane> what is the wind speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
• 1204[10:11:27] <darkad> Hi all, I tried the dd command and I have a bliknin cursor on black screen
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• 1208[10:11:53] <babilen> darkad: What was your command?
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• 1212[10:12:11] <darkad> sudo dd if=debian-9.2.1-i386-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb1 bs=32M
• 1213[10:12:19] <darkad> enter and after sync
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• 1215[10:12:35] <babilen> darkad: You want to copy to /dev/sdb not /dev/sdb1
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• 1218[10:13:04] <babilen> Any particular reason you picked i386 over amd64 in this time and age?
• 1219[10:13:23] <babilen> dpkg: firmware image
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• 1221[10:13:23] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
• 1222[10:13:35] <babilen> If your hardware requires firmware you might also want to use ^
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• 1225[10:13:53] <annadane> yeah, i should have asked "what command did you use"
• 1226[10:13:59] <annadane> but i am an idiot, so i did not
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• 1231[10:15:26] * babilen pats his granny smith eco portable
• 1232[10:15:30] <eck> i did many years ago, it was a huge pita back then
• 1233[10:15:35] <eck> probably still is
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• 1235[10:15:42] <babilen> Most likely, yeah
• 1236[10:15:50] <ezra-s> I ate an apple while running linux
• 1237[10:15:58] <babilen> melena: Do you have a specific issue or are you just checking if there's a person in #debian at this time who does?
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• 1239[10:16:34] <melena> I hope it was a honeycrisp apple...
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• 1241[10:16:57] <melena> I have a question but it is a bit embarrassing....
• 1242[10:17:36] <ezra-s> sorry I'm a golden apple fan
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• 1246[10:18:35] <darkad> I would not add more trash in this world, with my old computer
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• 1249[10:19:45] <melena> I was just given a new mac as a gift and the person who gave it to me insisted I have Norton internet security (Yeah, I caved, that's the embarrassing part) so basically I can not install the software that I want because it blocks me from doing so so I was thinking about installing linux along side OS X. I was just curious if Norton would interfere with me being able to do so.
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• 1253[10:20:47] <dexta> gm
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• 1255[10:20:53] <melena> I tried calling Norton to ask about dual booting...
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• 1257[10:22:20] <melena> I couldn't understand tech guy through his accent and he told me it was going to be $89.95 to help even though I am asking a yes or no question.
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• 1263[10:23:01] <ezra-s> melena: don't follow other's people advice just because they say so or insist, research
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• 1271[10:26:24] <annadane> melena, don't know but my guess is: shouldn't
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• 1273[10:26:32] <melena> It was more like arm twisting than advice. I am still embarrassed that I caved. I never used that kind of software before and I have never had trouble with virii. I know the odds of me actually speaking to someone whose done this is slim. Linux users typically don't use norton ...
• 1274[10:26:37] <annadane> i've never heard of norton interfering with anything in a dual boot
• 1275[10:27:14] <melena> Sweet! Maybe I'll attempt it and keep the iMac afterall....
• 1276[10:27:40] <annadane> there are actually very few things that interfere with dual boots at all, a lot of the time it's the fault of the user for not doing something correctly which they then blame on secure boot or whatever
• 1277[10:27:57] <annadane> which is not to say secure boot isn't a genuine problem for some people but also some people just don't handle dual boot properly
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• 1279[10:30:16] <Silvering> Someone knows why I still have the Request Entity Too Large so ?
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• 1283[10:31:19] <annadane> Hi everyone! I deployed my django app on a debian server. Everything works great except the upload of file.... I receive 413 Request Entity Too Large each time I try to send file bigger than 20M. I edited the apache2.conf, the php.ini and nginx.conf in order to avoid this but same issue... Any idea ?Here is my nginx.conf : replaced-url
• 1284[10:31:19] <annadane> client_max_body_size 0;
• 1285[10:31:24] <annadane> ^ silvering's original question
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• 1288[10:31:59] <Silvering> ?? What do you mean ?
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• 1290[10:32:18] <annadane> Silvering, i reposted your question because it scrolled off screen from the time you asked it
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• 1295[10:32:47] <darkad> Hi all, I did sudo dd if=debian-9.2.1-i386-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=32M and it says isolinux.bin missing or corrupt. Then I tried sudo dd if=firmware-9.2.1-i386-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=32M and it still says isolinux.bin missing or corrupt
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• 1297[10:32:48] <v1976a> ciau ^^
• 1298[10:32:58] <v1976a> ciao a tutti
• 1299[10:33:03] <v1976a> !list
• 1300[10:33:03] <dpkg> v1976a: vedi replaced-url
• 1301[10:33:03] <annadane> !it
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• 1303[10:33:08] <Silvering> annadane : Ah ok sorry. I don't understand why I have this issue... All conf files must avoid this
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• 1308[10:35:19] <darkad> I tried an old cd with linux rescue disk 1.5.2 and it starts. There could be a syslinux version compatibility issue?
• 1309[10:36:43] <Silvering> annadane : my ovh dedicated server logs return : client intended to send too large body: 240039336 bytes
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• 1312[10:39:44] <Meganitrospeed> nginx log?
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• 1314[10:40:41] <darkad> please
• 1315[10:41:26] <Meganitrospeed> Silvering: did you try to upload something ? Change the client_max_body_size in nginx
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• 1317[10:41:46] <luneff> hey guys! is there a solid manual on how to set up networking with the whole systemd-networkd/connman mess on Stretch? I seem to concurrently run two styles of setup and it is not good :-)
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• 1326[10:44:05] <Silvering> Meganitrospeed : I tried a video file (14.5M) and it works, then everything >20M -> crash
• 1327[10:45:37] <Meganitrospeed> silvering: you need to change the client_max_body_size line in /etc/nginx/nginx.conf
• 1328[10:45:54] <Meganitrospeed> silvering: I think it was 20M default.
• 1329[10:46:05] <Silvering> Meganitrospeed : replaced-url
• 1330[10:46:11] <Silvering> Meganitrospeed : check the last line I added
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• 1342[10:49:50] <McErroneous> Hi, i am looking for a screensaver to show time on monitor (gnome)
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• 1344[10:50:31] <Meganitrospeed> silvering: my question would be... did you reload nginx?
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• 1346[10:50:47] <Silvering> Meganitrospeed : yes : service nginx reload
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• 1362[10:54:49] <elvirolo> hi all
• 1363[10:55:03] <Meganitrospeed> elvirolo: o/)
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• 1372[10:56:50] <elvirolo> I've just installed nodejs from jessie-backports (I know I shouldn't be using jessie anymore, but I use Yunohost, which doesn't run on Stretch yet), and can't install the matching version of npm, as it is unavailable. Should I install it from sid?
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• 1374[10:57:28] <_diego_> Hello, anyone online here ?
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• 1380[11:00:28] <AndreasLutro> elvirolo: just use nodesource
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• 1388[11:03:24] <Meganitrospeed> diego: yeah
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• 1394[11:05:26] <__diego__> Hi, I have a weird issue... dual-boot system, both linux / windows work perfectly when booted from a shutdown state. If I boot to linux from windows (without shutting down, just restarting), then linux doesn't see the microphone as plugged in (laptop, so it is)
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• 1396[11:05:49] <elvirolo> AndreasLutro: Ok, thank you!
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• 1399[11:06:53] <McErroneous> __diego__: i am noob, but you could try setting bios post-wait time to 5seconds or so...
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• 1402[11:08:23] <darkad> I can't undertand why the firmware-9.2.1-i386-netinst.iso contains the 'i386' string and after it can't start :)
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• 1404[11:09:21] <__diego__> I could but it is so weird, windows will detect the microphone no matter what, its just linux
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• 1406[11:10:22] <Siente> ledeni pppoe service not found
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• 1409[11:10:54] <McErroneous> __diego__: then switch to windows, and become a windows user, i know windows does something better than linux, as from a user perspective...
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• 1412[11:11:13] <McErroneous> e.g. Multimonitor
• 1413[11:11:45] <__diego__> darkad: I don't understand your question, you are downloading the net installer image of debian with non-free firmware
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• 1415[11:11:51] <__diego__> What is the issue with it ?
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• 1418[11:12:36] <__diego__> And I believe you might want the amd64 instead of i386 ... unless you really want i386 for some weird reason (really really old computer ?)
• 1419[11:12:49] <darkad> it's about my old pentium 4 pc, booted with firmware-9.2.1-i386-netinst.iso
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• 1421[11:13:23] <__diego__> ok, fine, you have an old pentium 4, you probably want the i386, but whats the issue ? it doesn't boot ?
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• 1448[11:27:37] <McErroneous> I am looking for a screensaver that shows time ? I am missing the option to change text beeing displayed...(like the current time )
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• 1450[11:27:50] <McErroneous> (gnome)
• 1451[11:27:51] <darkad> I tried sudo dd if=firmware-9.2.1-i386-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=32M and it says isolinux.bin missing or corrupt
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• 1455[11:28:19] <darkad> at booting time
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• 1459[11:30:51] <Vizva> is this a usb?
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• 1462[11:31:32] <darkad> yes I'm booting via usb
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• 1465[11:31:48] <Vizva> you want to create a usb?
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• 1467[11:32:47] <Vizva> creating a iso on usb?
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• 1473[11:33:30] <McErroneous> Vizva: I guess he wants to make a bootable USB-Stick...
• 1474[11:33:49] <McErroneous> but he is getting errors..
• 1475[11:34:05] <Vizva> then you can try ---> cp firmware-9.2.1-i386-netinst.iso /dev/sdb
• 1476[11:34:14] <Vizva> then ----> sync
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• 1479[11:35:45] <Vizva> cp is the command to do usb bootable sticks
• 1480[11:36:08] <darkad> I think that debian is not more suitable for i586 architecture
• 1481[11:36:37] <darkad> debian 9.2.1, although tey write 'i386' in it
• 1482[11:36:49] <McErroneous> it should be called Debian-9.2.1-i386-netinst.iso then
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• 1486[11:37:11] <darkad> yes I wrote few minutes ago
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• 1488[11:37:35] <darkad> but i386 is not honest way to describe the iso
• 1489[11:37:50] <themill> that's the name of the architecture and it will never change
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• 1492[11:38:42] <darkad> is i386 compatible with pentium4?
• 1493[11:38:43] <alex__> hi
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• 1495[11:39:33] <themill> darkad: did you check the release notes?
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• 1497[11:40:37] <alex__> what is the meaning of "DSN: sender NOT credible, SA: -1.110,.." in amavis.log ? Can somone explain it to me?
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• 1500[11:43:03] <darkad> now, yes: replaced-url
• 1501[11:43:10] <darkad> The following are the officially supported architectures for Debian 9:
• 1502[11:43:10] <darkad> 32-bit PC (i386) and 64-bit PC (amd64)
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• 1506[11:45:16] <Vizva> sometimes it stick with a label for lower the confusing of minor changes in hardware
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• 1508[11:46:30] <Vizva> but code may change very as well
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• 1515[11:49:34] <DogramBeta> How much time at 500W from a 3mF capacitor?
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• 1517[11:51:00] <Vizva> DogramBeta this is a question for #debian?
• 1518[11:51:13] <Hooloovo0> what?
• 1519[11:51:14] <Hooloovo0> what?
• 1520[11:51:32] <DogramBeta> It's a question for all who enjoy it
• 1521[11:51:36] <Vizva> sounds like a electrical question
• 1522[11:51:40] <Hooloovo0> the question doesn't make sens
• 1523[11:51:43] <Hooloovo0> e
• 1524[11:51:51] <Hooloovo0> maybe ##electronics?
• 1525[11:51:52] <DogramBeta> at 220V?
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• 1527[11:52:20] <Vizva> we dont like that question in here, since its offtopic :)
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• 1531[11:54:01] <McErroneous> How do i change duration of gnome-passwords beeing stored , before having to authorize again as root ?
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• 1537[11:58:25] <Vizva> McErroneous you can force that passwords change sometimes but if you dont login as root there is not a password change before ask you
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• 1539[11:59:44] <McErroneous> Vizva: I am loged in as User...
• 1540[12:00:09] <McErroneous> gnome asks me repeatedly to enter phasephrase...
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• 1545[12:00:49] <Vizva> ok now i understand
• 1546[12:01:18] <Vizva> you need to work as root sometimes and you have always to give that password
• 1547[12:01:54] <Vizva> you kknow thats a security issue to run x applications as root?
• 1548[12:02:24] <McErroneous> Vizva: so i change my operating system ?
• 1549[12:02:38] <Vizva> better to change to console and use the commands there with sudo
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• 1551[12:03:08] <juon> Hi Guys,
• 1552[12:03:20] <juon> I'm tring to make it, replaced-url
• 1553[12:03:26] <McErroneous> Vizva: cpufreq asks me repeatedly.... to enter admin passwords..
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• 1556[12:03:59] <Vizva> what happen if you dont give the password
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• 1559[12:04:23] <gaurishankar> can any body help me
• 1560[12:04:28] <McErroneous> are you kidding me ? then i wont do anything...
• 1561[12:04:36] <McErroneous> it wont do anything...
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• 1563[12:04:42] <gaurishankar> I am getting an error intel 915 atomic update error
• 1564[12:05:03] <McErroneous> show a windows that says enter admin pass..
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• 1567[12:05:53] <gaurishankar> debian stretch
• 1568[12:06:16] <Vizva> i dont believe that this program is necessary
• 1569[12:06:21] <Vizva> cpufreq
• 1570[12:06:36] <gaurishankar> how do i remve this error
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• 1572[12:08:20] <Vizva> gaurishankyou have annother erros or you cannot use your system?
• 1573[12:08:25] <Vizva> errors
• 1574[12:08:54] <shtrb> Any VM user can say if he has a VM that has a working mic (shared access ) ?
• 1575[12:08:58] <gaurishankar> I can use the system
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• 1578[12:09:28] <Ulrar> Hi, quick question, is there no way to use /dev/sdb as the PV when setting up LVM during the installation ?
• 1579[12:09:29] <shtrb> VBox has an active bug , and I have found that under qemu you should be able to pass audio if it is dedicated (pass usb control to the vm )
• 1580[12:09:33] <McErroneous> Vizva: you are trying to be funny..., are you ? I think you name need to be other than Vizva..
• 1581[12:09:36] <McErroneous> Witz..
• 1582[12:09:41] <Ulrar> Looks like it doesn't let me configure LVM on it if I don't create a partition table, which is annoying
• 1583[12:09:41] <Vizva> maybe you can just ignore that error
• 1584[12:10:01] <gaurishankar> correct, but its irritating to see that error
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• 1586[12:10:22] <gaurishankar> is there any way to supress that error or remove permanently
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• 1588[12:10:51] <Vizva> gaurishankar you may look for information whats about
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• 1590[12:11:20] <gaurishankar> how do i check that
• 1591[12:12:01] <Vizva> intel 915 atomic update error wirtie in duckduckgo or google
• 1592[12:12:05] <Vizva> write
• 1593[12:12:18] <Vizva> and read some pages about
• 1594[12:12:32] <gaurishankar> it says some where to modify modeprof.conf
• 1595[12:12:51] <Vizva> i did see that error too
• 1596[12:12:58] <gaurishankar> but i could not found any file name modeprobe.conf
• 1597[12:13:22] <Vizva> for me i just ignore it - the importance is not that far - and you could make your system stop working
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• 1599[12:14:42] <gaurishankar> u r rite
• 1600[12:14:53] <gaurishankar> so at present I will ignore it
• 1601[12:14:53] <Ulrar> Well, seems like creating the pv and vg myself in cli works, so I guess we'll go with that
• 1602[12:14:56] <Ulrar> that's silly though
• 1603[12:15:52] <Vizva> Ulrar you did create you lvm from commandline?
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• 1606[12:16:10] <hoobaman> hi
• 1607[12:16:21] <hoobaman> did the new mysql update break pam_mysql (again)
• 1608[12:16:25] <hoobaman> in 8.9
• 1609[12:16:57] <Ulrar> Vizva: Yes, if I create it myself the installer sees it and it works
• 1610[12:17:01] <Ulrar> But it's a bit silly to have to do that
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• 1612[12:17:15] <hoobaman> i use it for smtp auth, i see in my mysql debug logs that my @domain is gone after the update :/
• 1613[12:17:25] <Ulrar> I'm pretty sure the deb8 installer wasn't forcing me to do that
• 1614[12:17:30] <Vizva> on installation creating lvm works but some x programs later there are problems i would give commandline the first choose
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• 1618[12:19:01] <Vizva> McErroneous for what do you need that program?
• 1619[12:19:15] <Ulrar> Never had a problem with the LVM during install, it just won't let you use a partition-less drive as the PV
• 1620[12:19:18] <Ulrar> for some reason
• 1621[12:19:39] <Ani-> gaurishankar, you can add that in boot parameter
• 1622[12:19:39] <McErroneous> For which paket i have to search to install KDE -Desktop ?
• 1623[12:19:41] <Vizva> partition-less?
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• 1625[12:20:13] <Ulrar> pvcreate /dev/sdb, not /dev/sdb1
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• 1627[12:20:23] <Ulrar> The installer won't let you do that, it wants /dev/sdb1
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• 1630[12:20:43] <Vizva> Ulrar you can try kvpm if you want but you need to have a file system on it if you use from commandline that command
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• 1632[12:21:06] <Ulrar> Don't know what that is
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• 1634[12:21:20] <Vizva> ext4 for example or a open encryption and with a file system
• 1635[12:21:36] <jolt> Ulrar: and is there a reason you had to have it on the whole disk and not the partition?
• 1636[12:21:40] <jolt> (Just curious here)
• 1637[12:21:42] <Vizva> or btrfs and a fuese for that
• 1638[12:21:45] <Vizva> fuse
• 1639[12:21:49] <Ulrar> jolt: Yes, online resize of the hard drive (for VMs)
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• 1642[12:22:01] <Ulrar> Clients usually don't like having to shutdown the VM for that
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• 1645[12:22:30] <Ulrar> When I use the disk itself as the pv, I can just resize the disk from the hypervisor, then do a pvresize /dev/sdb
• 1646[12:22:32] <Ulrar> and it just works
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• 1648[12:22:46] <Ulrar> No need to fiddle with extra partitions
• 1649[12:22:48] <jolt> Ulrar: Ok, but that works for partitions as well? At least the few times I had to do it with VMware
• 1650[12:23:00] <jolt> but whatever works for you
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• 1655[12:23:47] <Ulrar> jolt: Not really, you can't (or at least last time I heard) change a mounted partition's size
• 1656[12:23:55] <Ulrar> or not mounted but used
• 1657[12:23:58] <Vizva> Ulrar i think you miss something into disk information sector
• 1658[12:24:18] <Ulrar> Vizva: What do you mean ?
• 1659[12:24:34] <Vizva> Ulrar can you try kvpm or do you have restrictions for that?
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• 1664[12:25:01] <Vizva> you can choose disk with them
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• 1666[12:25:25] <jolt> Ulrar: well, you can grow them online at least. Not sure if they have added support for shrinking them online though
• 1667[12:25:35] <Ulrar> Vizva: Isn't that a graphical app ? I don't see what it has to do with debian installer ?
• 1668[12:25:46] <Ulrar> jolt: Mh, really ? I didn't know that
• 1669[12:25:49] <Vizva> Ulrar ok
• 1670[12:25:53] <Ulrar> Guess I should try it
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• 1673[12:26:24] <jolt> Ulrar: But I don't understand what that would make for difference of wether lvm is on the full disk or not. The filesystem is still separate on top of lvm. And lvm can grow/shrink a partition
• 1674[12:26:37] <Vizva> delete partitions and create a new one help sometimes
• 1675[12:26:56] <Ulrar> jolt: Yeah but I don't think (or didn't know) that you could grow the PV if it's a partition
• 1676[12:26:59] <Ulrar> Since that partition is used
• 1677[12:27:15] <Ulrar> That would imply changing a used partition's size
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• 1679[12:27:33] <Ulrar> But I haven't tried that in years so maybe now it works
• 1680[12:28:07] <Ulrar> For the filesystem on top of LVM it works fine, sure, that's the whole point
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• 1682[12:28:23] <jolt> Ulrar: pvresize resizes PhysicalVolume which may already be in a volume group and have active logical volumes allocated on it.
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• 1684[12:28:35] <VLetrmx> Hello
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• 1686[12:28:44] <VLetrmx> why is npm not pkged for stretch?
• 1687[12:28:58] <jolt> Ulrar: So I think you are fine. But nevermind, you are free to do as you want
• 1688[12:29:11] <Ulrar> jolt: Yes, but pvresize works only if the underlying partition / disk has been resized
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• 1690[12:29:33] <Ulrar> That's why I've been using disks, that's easy to resize
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• 1693[12:30:09] <jolt> Ulrar: Yes, and then you run lvresize on top of that, and finally resize2fs to grow your filesystem. So I think you are good if you wanted to run the regular installera and create a partition
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• 1697[12:30:52] <Ulrar> jolt: Sure but how do you resize the partition used as the PV ?
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• 1699[12:31:15] <Ulrar> Last time I tried fdisk complained the partition was in use, but that was years ago
• 1700[12:31:30] <jolt> Ulrar: you remove the partition and create a new
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• 1702[12:31:47] <jolt> or use a tool like parted
• 1703[12:31:59] <FinalX> just make sure you are using the same start sector
• 1704[12:32:03] <jolt> exactly
• 1705[12:32:24] <Ulrar> Mh, not ideal but if it works
• 1706[12:32:26] <frostschutz> Ulrar, resizing partitions might actually work if it's gpt and/or vda disk, even when the partition is in use. the conditions that make it work / not work are unfortunately not entirely clear to me
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• 1708[12:32:28] <Ulrar> Still, using a disk is simpler
• 1709[12:32:42] <Ulrar> Yeah we use only virtio, so that's fine
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• 1711[12:32:59] <frostschutz> Ulrar, full disk has its downsides too, there is a lot of software that considers unpartitioned disk fair game for formatting. so you have to know what you are doing
• 1712[12:33:16] <Ulrar> Well it's just servers here, no risk of that
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• 1715[12:33:59] <jolt> VLetrmx: No idea, but I assume it's because it gets out of date in no-time
• 1716[12:34:06] <VLetrmx> yeah
• 1717[12:34:12] <VLetrmx> replaced-url
• 1718[12:34:18] <VLetrmx> I'm trying to figure out what I do now :s
• 1719[12:34:28] <Ulrar> VLetrmx: Just use the official node repos
• 1720[12:34:30] <Ulrar> They work fine
• 1721[12:34:40] <VLetrmx> node have debian repos?
• 1722[12:34:43] <Ulrar> They do
• 1723[12:34:49] <Epakai> is there a any command that will display a short description for a latex package names as used in \usepackage{}? (not the associated debian package)
• 1724[12:34:52] <Ulrar> Google it, there's a good how to on their github
• 1725[12:35:03] <FinalX> VLetrmx: replaced-url
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• 1727[12:35:10] <Ulrar> Yep, that one
• 1728[12:35:23] <jolt> VLetrmx: replaced-url
• 1729[12:35:24] <VLetrmx> ah right
• 1730[12:35:26] <VLetrmx> cheers
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• 1732[12:35:50] <jolt> np(m), hoho
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• 1737[12:37:50] <Mr_Snowman> Already Googling Troubleshooting steps for this but thought I'd leave this in this channel: audio is crackling in both VLC and YouTube. Any hint of bass it crackles.
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• 1739[12:38:39] <Ulrar> Another slightlty annoying thing that wasn't a problem on deb8, using a /32 IP with itself as the gateway doesn't work anymore
• 1740[12:38:48] <Ulrar> But I understand it's a bit unusual and ugly
• 1741[12:38:48] <candidat1> the algorithum must havea leak, you should change the joint in your mp3 player
• 1742[12:38:58] <Vizva> Mr_Snowman another OS does same?
• 1743[12:39:11] <Mr_Snowman> No.
• 1744[12:39:40] <Ulrar> Mr_Snowman: If you are using pulseaudio, you probably need to fiddle with it's config
• 1745[12:39:44] <Ulrar> I've had similar problems
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• 1747[12:40:15] <Ulrar> Mr_Snowman: Things like default-sample-rate and default-fragment-size-msec
• 1748[12:40:23] <Ulrar> I've had to change them to get my audio to work properly
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• 1750[12:40:36] <Ulrar> Can't remember how I found the correct values though ..
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• 1754[12:41:45] <Mr_Snowman> I'll try that again.
• 1755[12:41:58] <Vizva> Mr_Snowman is this stretch?
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• 1757[12:42:10] <Mr_Snowman> Yes. 9.2.1
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• 1781[12:53:25] <Mr_Snowman> One fix from 2014 is to change default-sample-rate to 48000 in the pulse configuration file. I will attempt that.
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• 1856[13:33:59] <Mr_Snowman> Sounds a little better, but it wasn't a fix.
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• 1865[13:45:35] <candidat1> :-)
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• 1875[13:52:34] <ForceRecon> I installed enigmail and now I want to create a digital signing certificate and Encryption Certificate.. Are there any link to any tutorials on how to do this?
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• 1877[13:54:18] <ForceRecon> replaced-url
• 1878[13:54:59] <jelly> isn't enigmail a pgp client, or does it also do s/mime now?
• 1879[13:55:54] <ForceRecon> I believe you are correct it is thunderbird that has the settings for Digital Signing and Encryption
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• 1883[13:56:53] <ForceRecon> You know the worst part is I did this in evolution awhile ago and I just forgot how to create the signing and encryption keys
• 1884[13:57:19] <ForceRecon> certificate manager cannot locate a valid key. .etc..
• 1885[13:57:41] <jelly> and it's a FAQ replaced-url
• 1886[13:57:52] <ForceRecon> I remember doing this in terminal though simple through some commands.. then they certs showed up in my certificates manager and I was able to choose them
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• 1889[13:58:22] <ForceRecon> so one or the other..
• 1890[13:58:39] <jelly> ForceRecon: I have no idea what evolution does, but if you created a pgp master keypair and signage and encryption subkeys with gnupg, you already have them
• 1891[13:58:47] <ForceRecon> okeedo.. enigmail seems easy enough.. I would still like to create my own keys and then maybe remove enigmail
• 1892[13:59:02] <ForceRecon> i did not do this.. as of yet..
• 1893[13:59:13] <jelly> you just said you did something with evolution.
• 1894[13:59:30] <ForceRecon> that was prior to this fresh debian install
• 1895[13:59:35] <ForceRecon> those keys are wiped
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• 1898[13:59:53] <jelly> oh, you did not save them?
• 1899[14:00:01] <ForceRecon> nope
• 1900[14:00:06] <ForceRecon> all gone..
• 1901[14:00:58] <shtrb> Isn't enigmail dead ?
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• 1903[14:01:46] <ForceRecon> nope.. still working and a favorite addon for thunderbird
• 1904[14:02:36] <shtrb> In any case you also need to have some kind of agent running to unlock (based on your DE)
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• 1952[14:26:24] <ForceRecon> how do you open your gpg keychain?
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• 1955[14:28:38] <gpunk> a password
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• 1967[14:33:37] <shtrb> ForceRecon for a gui app use an agent
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• 1970[14:34:28] <shtrb> pinetry-something is a start
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• 1973[14:35:25] <ForceRecon> thank you...
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• 1975[14:35:40] <shtrb> did it solve your issue ?
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• 1981[14:36:21] <ForceRecon> well.. I created my key with gpg --key... etc..
• 1982[14:36:41] <ForceRecon> that key is some place on the PC.. I know where.. but I am not sure what to do with it..
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• 1985[14:38:05] <ForceRecon> well.. enigmail is working fine... I just wanted to do the gpg key for encryption and signing on its own... still trying to figure that out
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• 1992[14:39:03] <w3gi> hallo, i have created a lamp-setup with php7 and apache2
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• 2000[14:43:34] <w3gi> is there another setting where i have to deactivate the charset utf-8 as well?
• 2001[14:44:09] <DonAlex> Quick Q. How come the wiki replaced-url
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• 2003[14:44:21] <DonAlex> Are we in transition right now ?
• 2004[14:44:48] <jelly> DonAlex: best ask in
• 2005[14:44:52] <jelly> !debian-next
• 2006[14:44:52] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 2007[14:45:04] <DonAlex> jelly: oh.. ok thanks.
• 2008[14:45:39] <DonAlex> Umm where is debian-next? it is not on Freenode?
• 2009[14:46:16] <DonAlex> Fairy nuff
• 2010[14:46:35] <jelly> yay, you figured it out!
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• 2013[14:48:27] <DonAlex> jelly: ;) I am not that green really. :)
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• 2016[14:49:57] <shtrb> DonAlex at OFTC
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• 2018[14:50:50] <DonAlex> shtrb: Yeah been told ..thanks..
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• 2022[14:51:54] <DonAlex> shtrb: S'ok.. no harm done :)
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• 2027[14:53:19] <deadman36g> Could someone please help me with my crontab syntax, I am wanting it to run at 1am everyday, and then run the script within 2 hours of that. Here is my current syntax replaced-url
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• 2038[14:56:36] <jelly> deadman36g: do either ; or && but NOT both
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• 2041[14:57:26] <deadman36g> so just remove the ; before the &&?
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• 2045[14:58:26] <DonAlex> might find this guide helpful and remember to escape brackets properly for the shell. replaced-url
• 2046[14:58:30] <RoyK> deadman36g: change "sleep $(( $$ \% 7200 )); && python2" to "sleep $(( $$ \% 7200 )) && python2"
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• 2048[14:58:44] <DonAlex> Personally though I would write a small script to do that rather than keep it all in the crontab
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• 2052[14:59:07] <RoyK> deadman36g: or perhaps simpler and with better readability - make a script and run that script from the crontab
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• 2059[15:01:26] <DonAlex> There is also the at command which I find quite useful sometimes..
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• 2062[15:02:35] <DonAlex> Advantages of that is you can use cron to kick off a script at a certain time and have the script itself keep track of when things are supposed to happen after that.
• 2063[15:02:51] <DonAlex> much more flexible and easier to debug.
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• 2122[15:23:04] <ForceRecon> where are the steam libraries again?
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• 2124[15:23:22] <ForceRecon> libgl.so.1
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• 2128[15:24:50] <gpunk> you need to install the 32bit layer ...
• 2129[15:24:51] <shtrb> Engineering (section QC in the library or T2)
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• 2133[15:25:07] <ForceRecon> sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-glx:i386
• 2134[15:25:10] <ForceRecon> is that correct
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• 2137[15:25:47] <RoyK> apt install lib32 # iirc
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• 2142[15:27:56] <tremon> replaced-url
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• 2170[15:34:43] <rocketman_> does libvirt in debian 9 not respect specified vnc graphics port?
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• 2172[15:35:36] <rocketman_> virsh vncdisplay <vm> shows a 5900 port offset, not the case in debian8
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• 2176[15:38:12] <thms> rocketman_, there always has been a 5900 offset
• 2177[15:38:19] <thms> maybe your client changed it's behaviour
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• 2180[15:38:50] <rocketman_> thms: well, I am not so sure this is a client thing
• 2181[15:39:13] <thms> I mean some clients will modify the port so it'll work
• 2182[15:39:26] <rocketman_> thms: I am using nmap to see which port the service is running on, on the server
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• 2185[15:39:30] <thms> other you'll have to add the display number (5900+x) so it works
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• 2191[15:40:53] <gpunk> replaced-url
• 2192[15:41:09] <gpunk> ForceRecon :)
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• 2195[15:42:13] <rocketman_> thms: with debian 8, I set the graphics port in the xml file for vnc, I run virsh vncdisplay <vm> and it shows the port, netstat, and nmap also. not the case with debian 9. There is an offset, however, this causes neither port to be opened
• 2196[15:42:22] <velix> Does Stretch use OverlayFS or still AuFS?
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• 2198[15:43:18] <rocketman_> The only way I can get it to work with debian 9 is setting the port to -1 which defaults to 5900
• 2199[15:43:20] <thms> rocketman_, so it's probably filtered nu some firewall you're running
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• 2201[15:43:42] <rocketman_> thms: the ports are all opened on iptables, included the offsets
• 2202[15:43:56] <thms> "this causes neither port to be opened"
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• 2204[15:44:00] <thms> " the ports are all opened"
• 2205[15:44:19] <rocketman_> the ports that I set, including the offset
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• 2209[15:45:52] <ForceRecon> sudo aptitude install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386
• 2210[15:45:54] <ForceRecon> that does it
• 2211[15:45:58] <ForceRecon> thanks! way to go!
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• 2213[15:46:08] <rocketman_> thms: for example if I set the port to be 18000, I open 18000, 12100, and 23900
• 2214[15:47:17] <rocketman_> the offset is normally port - 5900, and new port must be greater than 5900
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• 2216[15:47:30] <Paulo_> hi guys
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• 2219[15:48:09] <Guest11358> I have a question about installing virtual box in a debian derivative (yep, not pure debian... :-()
• 2220[15:48:24] <Guest11358> anyone can help me out, please?
• 2221[15:48:46] <DonAlex> shoot
• 2222[15:49:24] <metastable> Guest11358: Which derivative, so that we're clear?
• 2223[15:49:54] <rocketman_> it's strange I don't see the same behavior with libvirt and debian 8
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• 2225[15:50:41] <Guest11358> ok, thanks. I'm running antix linux 16.2. I tried installing virtualbox from synaptic and no luck. the gui ran, but refused to run any virtual machine. I uninstalled it and downloaded virtualbox and virtualboxfkm. both verison 4336
• 2226[15:51:07] <Guest11358> now from terminal when I try running virtualbox it says it's not installed
• 2227[15:51:08] <DonAlex> Sounds like the virtualbox modules were not built
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• 2230[15:51:23] <metastable> vbox makes kinda heavy use of DKMS, if I recall.
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• 2232[15:51:32] <Guest11358> my pc said it was building the moduls for some 5 minutes
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• 2234[15:51:42] <Guest11358> *modules
• 2235[15:51:44] <gpunk> 5 minutes
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• 2237[15:51:56] <gpunk> i dont it deserve runing VMs that PC
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• 2239[15:52:05] <babilen> dpkg: antix
• 2240[15:52:06] <dpkg> antiX is a live CD distribution based on <MEPIS>. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
• 2241[15:52:23] <babilen> Guest11358: Might want to ask antiX what to do about that ^^^
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• 2245[15:52:53] <Guest11358> I know, the site says that, but it«s a bit out dated. this distro, as far as I can tell is based in debian 8.8 jesie
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• 2247[15:53:07] <Guest11358> I tried the antix forum... no one online :-(
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• 2249[15:53:11] <DonAlex> Yes it does.. virtualbox-dkms build a few modules.
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• 2252[15:53:45] <velix> Anyone with an idea?
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• 2254[15:53:57] <DonAlex> Do you have dpkg and apt-show-versions available to you?
• 2255[15:54:48] <tremon> velix: replaced-url
• 2256[15:55:29] <DonAlex> velix: What about it? It is a kernel module?
• 2257[15:55:41] <DonAlex> aufs-tools - Tools to manage aufs filesystems
• 2258[15:55:49] <Guest11358> I'm not a heavy linux user, I've been using it for years, mostly as a regular user that install stuff from synapic and tries to stay away from the cli. I have no idea waht apt-show-versions even is. I installed viartual box using dpkg, from the files I dowbnloaded from virtualbox site...
• 2259[15:56:18] <velix> tremon & DonAlex: okay, I thought, OverlayFS is the newer one.
• 2260[15:56:19] <DonAlex> Oh... you pulled the debs from the website?
• 2261[15:56:29] <velix> tremon & DonAlex: So aufs is in kernel, overlayfs isn't ?
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• 2263[15:56:41] <Guest11358> yep. but it's the same version I had available from synapic
• 2264[15:56:49] <DonAlex> velix: you mean fuse ?
• 2265[15:57:08] <DonAlex> aufs has a dkms package
• 2266[15:57:10] <velix> DonAlex: replaced-url
• 2267[15:57:17] <DonAlex> meaning it is an optional module
• 2268[15:57:18] <velix> DonAlex: It was merged into the Linux kernel mainline in 2014, in kernel version 3.18.
• 2269[15:57:20] <Guest11358> I may post the terminal output from installing the dkms file if it helps...
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• 2271[15:57:42] <tremon> ,kconfig overlay
• 2272[15:57:44] <judd> Searching for 'overlay' in stretch kernel config gives OVERLAY_FS=m.
• 2273[15:57:47] <DonAlex> Guest11358: Paste it into pastebin not here
• 2274[15:57:49] <Guest11358> (it's partly in portuguese)
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• 2276[15:58:06] <towo^work> it's antix
• 2277[15:58:07] <velix> tremon: Funny thing: Debian uses AuFS, Ubuntu uses OverlayFS :)
• 2278[15:58:09] <towo^work> not debian
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• 2280[15:58:35] <DonAlex> We use tmpfs ;)
• 2281[15:58:39] <tremon> "debian" uses neither -- both are not in the default install
• 2282[15:58:54] <DonAlex> Seriously though I did not think overlayfs was a thing until now..
• 2283[15:59:08] <rocketman_> So, 'netstat -pant' shows desired vnc port using libvirt xml, however 'virsh domdisplay <vm>' shows the offset. Is this the correct behavior? Because, even with both ports opened in iptables, the appear filtered.
• 2284[15:59:26] <velix> tremon & DonAlex: AuFS and OverlayFS are nice for (s)chroot.
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• 2286[15:59:36] <velix> tremon & DonAlex: You can have a base image and write to it without changing the base image.
• 2287[15:59:41] <velix> tremon & DonAlex: Docker for the poor ;)
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• 2289[16:00:00] <DonAlex> /lib/modules/4.12.0-2-amd64# find . -iname "overlay*" -print
• 2290[16:00:00] <DonAlex> ./kernel/fs/overlayfs
• 2291[16:00:00] <DonAlex> ./kernel/fs/overlayfs/overlay.ko
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• 2295[16:00:07] <DonAlex> apprently it is ..
• 2296[16:00:12] <DonAlex> not loaded though so..?
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• 2298[16:00:25] <velix> DonAlex: So both COULD be loaded in Stretch? Okay, I need to test this. Thanks.
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• 2300[16:00:45] <DonAlex> velix: I have btrfs and snapper ;)
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• 2306[16:01:23] <velix> DonAlex: Thanks, I'll read about snapper.
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• 2310[16:02:03] <DonAlex> velix: Basically it can take snapshot on events. so pre and post installing packkages for example
• 2311[16:02:09] <velix> Oh my, there's a driver to read & write btrfs on Windows :)
• 2312[16:02:20] <velix> DonAlex: Yeah, this sounds good.
• 2313[16:02:24] <Guest11358> I'll try to be back later, guys, thanks for your time
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• 2316[16:02:42] <DonAlex> velix: Yeah.. well Windows users like living dangerously otherwise they would be on Linux ;)
• 2317[16:03:00] <DonAlex> Guest11358: Ok.. good luck
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• 2319[16:03:18] <velix> DonAlex: Windows 10 is some nice mesh up.
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• 2321[16:03:42] <velix> DonAlex: most of the GCC binaries work out of the box.
• 2322[16:03:52] <DonAlex> velix: So long as you don't mind all that telemetry going who knows where.. for who knows why..
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• 2324[16:04:28] <velix> DonAlex: Sure. But I'm a linux user most of the time, so I don't care.
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• 2327[16:04:59] <DonAlex> velix: I am a Linux user ALL the time.. so I don't care either ;)
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• 2335[16:08:05] <number28> Hey people. Recently my interface names 'randomly' changed from wlp3s0 to wlan0. I thought it was weird but ok. Now i've been noticing the past few days my boot up takes much longer. I now see it reads starting Network Manager Wait at boot up... follwed by a 3 minute wait while it reads "A start job is running for raise network interfaces"
• 2336[16:08:10] <DonAlex> velix: Hmmm never heard of flashcache either but that looks interesting too
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• 2339[16:08:32] <velix> DonAlex: uh? :)
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• 2343[16:09:03] <DonAlex> number28: Network interfaces are switching to a UUID like nomenclature
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• 2345[16:09:17] <DonAlex> apt-cache show flashcache-dkms
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• 2347[16:10:18] <number28> DonAlex, Is there any place i can read about this? Also what do i do to fix it?
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• 2349[16:10:52] <jelly> velix: I think stretch kernels don't have aufs any more
• 2350[16:11:15] <altendky> i recently installed debian stable on my laptop. the external monitor randomly goes black for roughly 1/2 s. this happens maybe average once per minute (rough guess) but sometimes a couple times only seconds apart. i am running kde. `xrandr --query` doesn't show any change during the black-time. also nothing from `tail -f /var/log/{messages,kernel,dmesg,syslog}` at that time. i did install bumblebee-nvidia.
• 2351[16:11:15] <altendky> replaced-url
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• 2353[16:11:22] <DonAlex> number28: replaced-url
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• 2359[16:12:51] <tremon> altendky: try using anything but hdmi cables. we have the same issue at work, the problem is with HDCP
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• 2363[16:13:38] <tremon> the handshake is flaky, and when the timings of either the monitor or the graphics chip are a little off, the handshake fails and the screen goes black
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• 2365[16:14:26] <altendky> tremon: would that apply to mini-dp to do?
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• 2367[16:14:34] <altendky> To dp
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• 2369[16:14:49] <fly_> Hi folks. how do I know why a certain package is considered non-free?
• 2370[16:14:55] <tremon> not sure, if a pure DP connection supports hdcp
• 2371[16:15:01] <fly_> I am packaging the same thing for another thing and not sure what's non free about it
• 2372[16:15:03] <xand> fly_: it will due to its license
• 2373[16:15:27] <tremon> we don't have the same issue on our DP ports
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• 2376[16:15:43] <fly_> the project itself doesn't say what's non-free about it ):)
• 2377[16:15:52] <fly_> (It claims a BSD license)
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• 2381[16:16:16] <fly_> Ah. found it magically by google
• 2382[16:16:25] <altendky> tremon: alrighty, thanks for the thought. the dp port is the only 4k one on this monitor.
• 2383[16:16:30] <fly_> "Intel FAT filesystem".
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• 2385[16:16:38] <DonAlex> fly_: Free refers to the license and whether it is compatible with Debian Policy.
• 2386[16:17:07] <fly_> yeah, it's just a huge thing and looking at their license they say 'BSD license' :P
• 2387[16:17:23] <fly_> looks like upstream made it not-not-free, too
• 2388[16:17:24] <altendky> tremon: i'll note that i didn't have this issue on ubuntu 16.04. (not picking, just part of the history)
• 2389[16:17:35] <DonAlex> fly_: replaced-url
• 2390[16:18:13] <fly_> Apple license is considered non-free?
• 2391[16:18:30] <tremon> altendky: it may still be a driver issue (we've found that the problem sometimes goes away after a bios update), but it's impossible to debug
• 2392[16:18:31] <number28> DonAlex, So what does the interface naming scheme have to do with the Network Manager Wait service?
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• 2395[16:18:55] <altendky> tremon: what fun. i'll check for a bios update
• 2396[16:19:19] <velix> jelly: uh?! interesting.
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• 2398[16:19:32] <velix> jelly: So AuFS has been dropped from Debian?
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• 2401[16:20:34] <jelly> velix: no idea whether source for patches is still present
• 2402[16:21:04] <velix> jelly: thx
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• 2407[16:21:51] <altendky> tremon: can i just disable hdcp? i'm not watching dvd's (at this point)
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• 2409[16:23:18] <number28> Recently my interface names 'randomly' changed from wlp3s0 to wlan0. I thought it was weird but thats not the issue. Now i've been noticing the past few days my boot up takes much longer. I now see it reads starting Network Manager Wait at boot up... followed by a 3 minute wait while it reads "A start job is running for raise network interfaces"
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• 2417[16:25:21] <tremon> altendky: depends on your graphics hardware. newer amd models enable hdcp unconditionally: replaced-url
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• 2421[16:26:09] <altendky> tremon: Intel + nvidia
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• 2434[16:32:51] <velix> Oh, HDCP was developed by INTEL ?
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• 2439[16:36:26] <tremon> almost all computing antifeatures are from intel, why should that be surprising?
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• 2441[16:37:11] <tremon> they were all developed by the TCPA
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• 2445[16:37:57] <tremon> so not just intel
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• 2448[16:38:37] <Guest79571> hi everyone
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• 2451[16:39:02] <DonAlex> number28: Oh sorry , was away. NM might have legacy config files looking for wlan0 etc..
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• 2453[16:39:17] <DonAlex> number28: Best start with fresh configs. .
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• 2459[16:40:52] <DonAlex> number28: check to see if there is anything in /etc/udev/rules.d that might be affecting it
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• 2464[16:44:06] <altendky> tremon: given intel's massive involvement in hardware development, seems likely that they would be involved in most hardware features generally
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• 2481[16:50:55] <qaz1> hi. my rc.local is not getting executed at boot. how can i make it get executed?
• 2482[16:51:11] <gpunk> is it +x ?
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• 2486[16:52:39] <gpunk> what debian are you using ?
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• 2498[17:00:10] <abrotman> qaz1: do you really want to use rc.local?
• 2499[17:00:23] <abrotman> dpkg: tell qaz1 about run at boot
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• 2506[17:05:10] <tobiasBora> Does someone knows how to avoid the errors that tar gives when you when to extract a node using mknod ?
• 2507[17:05:15] <auhjdshxagjdsfh> what is on the full cd set?
• 2508[17:05:22] <tobiasBora> (with something better that "tar ... || true"
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• 2512[17:07:14] <gpunk> dpkg: tell gpunk about run at boot
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• 2522[17:08:45] <jak2000> hi all how to cpy files from 1 server to other? 192.168.1.141:/home/jak to 192.168.1.211:/home/jak ? and automate it? only with scp?
• 2523[17:09:20] <gpunk> create an ssh key
• 2524[17:09:33] <gpunk> and unable passwordless ssh-login
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• 2527[17:10:18] <jak2000> ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096 ssh-copy-id ?
• 2528[17:10:24] <jak2000> oo right
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• 2540[17:12:24] <JethroTux> hi. how long debian jessie will be supported? I'm currently running debian jessie 8.9 release. thanks
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• 2544[17:13:29] <gpunk> replaced-url
• 2545[17:13:32] <jelly> JethroTux: support by debian security team until about May 2018, support by LTS team until about 2020
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• 2549[17:14:51] <JethroTux> then i'll be safe till 2020? right?
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• 2558[17:16:50] <kaldsfjklsad> does the 14-dvd set contain every debian package in the repos?
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• 2563[17:19:54] <gpunk> minus non-free
• 2564[17:20:17] <gpunk> minus contrib too I think
• 2565[17:20:44] <kaldsfjklsad> that's really cool, i didn't think all that would fit
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• 2568[17:21:02] <gpunk> compression and it s only the binaries
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• 2596[17:30:41] <caraconan> Hi there. After an upgrade this morning the system wont boot, it shows me a blank screen. I tried to comment out all non-essential entries in /etc/fstab, but no luck. Booting in rescue mode and examining the journal give me no clue. Any help about how to troubleshoot will be appreciated
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• 2599[17:32:24] <caraconan> I can't either open a console with CTRL + ALT + Fx, nothing happens
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• 2603[17:33:23] <jelly> caraconan: do you see anything more if you edit the kernel command line, remove "quiet" parameter, and boot that way?
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• 2607[17:33:52] <caraconan> I'll try that, 1 sec please
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• 2611[17:34:42] <SirLagz> jelly: have you had any issues with the 4.9.0-4 image freezing on bootup ? I've had that happen to a couple of my machines...no idea where to start to even try to troubleshoot it
• 2612[17:34:57] <jelly> nope
• 2613[17:35:11] <SirLagz> jelly: hmm k. I've reverted my boxes back to 4.9.0-3 for now and they're stable
• 2614[17:35:16] <jelly> don't have a lot of physical machines left
• 2615[17:35:30] <SirLagz> jelly: yeah my VMs seem fine
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• 2617[17:35:41] <SirLagz> jelly: not sure if the kernel doesn't like my hardware or somethign else
• 2618[17:35:46] <jelly> and my workstations at work and home work fine
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• 2621[17:36:25] <caraconan> jelly: nothing interesting, just something about wifi connection and now a dash in the top left screen
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• 2625[17:38:41] <qaz1> i am calling a script from rc.local, and its not finding any of the executables in the root user's $PATH. am i supposed to be setting some environment variable manually?
• 2626[17:39:26] <jelly> qaz1: set PATH on top of rc.local, yes
• 2627[17:39:30] <SirLagz> qaz1: I always use the full path when I write scripts for rc.local. avoids the whole path issue.
• 2628[17:39:39] <qaz1> ahh good idea. ill do that
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• 2630[17:40:07] <jelly> qaz1: that said, I can "mkswap" without setting PATH in in /etc/rc.local on jessie
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• 2632[17:40:19] <jelly> so at least /sbin is present already
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• 2642[17:43:20] <caraconan> I think mounting dev-sdb1 is timing out, and looks something related with fstab
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• 2646[17:43:47] <caraconan> Can somebody please share with mi his/her /etc/fstab in a Debian testing envionment please?
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• 2652[17:46:17] <qaz1> jelly, SirLagz: the subscripts also call other scripts, so it seems hardcoing wont work. when new scripts are run, i understand a child process is being spawned, and env vars are inherited, right?
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• 2655[17:46:40] <teraflops> caraconan: what's your issue?
• 2656[17:46:55] <caraconan> teraflops: blank screen at boot time
• 2657[17:47:04] <caraconan> After an upgrade
• 2658[17:47:27] <SirLagz> caraconan: how do you know it's timing out?
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• 2660[17:47:31] <teraflops> caraconan: and how did you infer it's fstab's fault?
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• 2662[17:48:08] <jelly> caraconan: are you using explicit partition device paths in said fstab?
• 2663[17:48:12] <caraconan> SirLagz: I can see this in /var/syslog, and I infer it reading similar issues in stackoverflow
• 2664[17:48:33] <SirLagz> caraconan: "this" being?
• 2665[17:48:39] <caraconan> jelly: yes, sepparate /home for instance
• 2666[17:48:44] <jelly> caraconan: pastebin your /etc/fstab instead of asking for others to show theirs.
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• 2669[17:49:04] <caraconan> jelly: ok, I'll do it
• 2670[17:49:06] <jelly> caraconan: also, are you running buster (current testing)?
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• 2676[17:50:11] <caraconan> jelly: I'm running (I would doublecheck) testing with some packages of SID
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• 2690[17:53:44] <caraconan> replaced-url
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• 2695[17:54:28] <caraconan> I also tried with "nofail" in the / parttion entry but no lick
• 2696[17:54:30] <caraconan> luck
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• 2706[17:56:48] <jelly> caraconan: that looks sane
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• 2713[17:58:43] <Maelstorm> Hello world :D
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• 2732[18:05:13] <caraconan> Reading other posts suggests that using UUID's can solve the issue. Somebody else has experienced same issue?
• 2733[18:07:26] <jelly> caraconan: not much difference between uuid and lvm device usage
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• 2735[18:07:54] <jelly> they fix things if you use explicit /dev/sd* and numeration changes between boots
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• 2737[18:08:13] <jelly> but you've already avoiding that issue with lvm.
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• 2756[18:17:47] <ryzokuken> how do I change the tty font in stretch?
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• 2758[18:17:53] <ryzokuken> please help.
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• 2760[18:18:19] <ryzokuken> I need to use a good unicode font to render characters in a sane way. (possibly powerline patched)
• 2761[18:18:45] <jelly> ryzokuken: how large?
• 2762[18:18:57] <ryzokuken> as in font size?
• 2763[18:19:03] <jelly> ryzokuken: yes. eg. is "setfont /usr/share/consolefonts/Uni3-TerminusBold16.psf.gz" good enough?
• 2764[18:19:33] <ryzokuken> yeah, I'd need to search how to change to required format.
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• 2766[18:19:41] <ryzokuken> what is the exact format I need?
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• 2768[18:19:49] <ryzokuken> `man setfont`, alright.
• 2769[18:19:52] <jelly> probably psf :-)
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• 2771[18:20:30] <ryzokuken> I'll probably have a .otf, maybe even a .ttf
• 2772[18:20:41] <ryzokuken> so I'll have to find a tool to convert that
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• 2774[18:21:28] <jelly> ryzokuken: you'll have to render those into bitmap and convert to psf, then, or use a framebuffer terminal app. Note that graphical framebuffer console drivers are usually a LOT slower than running X and a full screen xterm inside it.
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• 2777[18:22:07] <ryzokuken> I'm currently running tty-only, no X server involved.
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• 2779[18:22:20] <ryzokuken> should I use a DE? I'd rather not.
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• 2781[18:22:32] <jelly> ryzokuken: unless you're on a hardware platform that doesn't have decent 2D drivers, X is faster than console.
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• 2784[18:23:05] <jelly> if you want to avoid cruft on screen, look at tiling window managers like i3wm
• 2785[18:23:18] <ryzokuken> jelly: I'm running it in a VM.
• 2786[18:23:25] <qaz1> how can i redirect all output from the current script to a logfile?
• 2787[18:23:29] <ryzokuken> jelly: yes, i3 was exactly what I had in mind.
• 2788[18:23:55] <ryzokuken> but then, I don't want to get to deep into cofiguration 😅
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• 2790[18:24:10] <jelly> qaz1: from inside the script, or from outside when starting it?
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• 2794[18:24:49] <qaz1> outside
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• 2801[18:25:45] <jelly> qaz1: use redirection, script > stdout.file.log
• 2802[18:25:49] <jelly> qaz1: replaced-url
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• 2807[18:27:17] <jelly> ryzokuken: or you could avoid the console completely and use ssh to connect to and use the VM, with whatever native terminal app you want and whatever font.
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• 2809[18:27:30] <caraconan> Thanks everybody, I'll keep troubleshoting later
• 2810[18:27:30] <qaz1> in rc.local, im already doing:
• 2811[18:27:30] <qaz1> /bin/bash /root/startupScript &>> /tmp/startupScriptLog
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• 2813[18:27:41] <qaz1> but i dont see everything in the log
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• 2817[18:28:09] <ryzokuken> that sounds better.
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• 2819[18:28:19] <ryzokuken> can the VM be entirely replaced by a docker container?
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• 2821[18:28:49] <jelly> qaz1: if apps started from /root/startupScript use their standard error, you may want to redirect that in addition to just standard output
• 2822[18:29:15] <jelly> qaz1: you'd change that line to, say, /bin/bash /root/startupScript &>> /tmp/startupScriptLog 2>&1
• 2823[18:29:23] <qaz1> jelly: isnt that what i '&' on my line does?
• 2824[18:29:28] <ryzokuken> also, how do I make a localhost-only SSH server and connect to it from the host machine?
• 2825[18:29:51] <jelly> qaz1: oh, it appears so, sorry
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• 2827[18:30:16] <jelly> ryzokuken: it cannot be localhost-only from VM's point of view.
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• 2829[18:30:31] <ryzokuken> oh, okay.
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• 2832[18:31:08] <jelly> but an internal segment visible only from host is easily done
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• 2835[18:32:19] <jelly> as for using a container instead of a VM, that depends on what you want to run and what features you expect inside the virtualized enviroment. A container on a linux host can only run linux.
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• 2840[18:33:14] <ryzokuken> my host OS is macOS
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• 2842[18:33:30] <ryzokuken> want to run 32-bit linux (preferably debian or arch)
• 2843[18:34:00] <jelly> qaz1: I have no idea if &>> may be used inside /etc/rc.local, it looks like a bash feature and not necessarily a /bin/sh feature
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• 2845[18:34:08] <mr__tea> ryzokuken: do it!
• 2846[18:34:22] <ryzokuken> mr__tea: do what?
• 2847[18:34:57] <jelly> ryzokuken: I fear containers do not work that way.
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• 2851[18:35:56] <ryzokuken> jelly: oh.
• 2852[18:36:02] <qaz1> jelly: ohh that could be why its not working
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• 2854[18:36:15] <ryzokuken> jelly: I installed `openssh-server` on my guest.
• 2855[18:36:21] <jelly> ryzokuken: but perhaps whoever builds Docker for OSX also includes a virtualization or syscall translation layer
• 2856[18:36:29] <ryzokuken> how do I connect to it?
• 2857[18:36:41] <jelly> ryzokuken: ssh user@ip.ad.re.ss ?
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• 2861[18:37:01] <ryzokuken> yeah, I mean what would be the IP of the guest in reference to the host?
• 2862[18:37:09] <qaz1> jelly: replaced-url
• 2863[18:37:09] <qaz1> > file 2>&1 direct both stdout and stderr to file
• 2864[18:37:23] <jelly> ryzokuken: what does the vm think its IP address is?
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• 2867[18:37:36] <jelly> ryzokuken: "ip a"
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• 2869[18:37:48] <ryzokuken> something along the lines of 10.211.xx
• 2870[18:37:54] <jelly> so use that.
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• 2873[18:39:06] <ryzokuken> jelly: yay, it works.
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• 2877[18:39:49] <jelly> qaz1: > will truncate the file; you previously tried to use >> to append to it instead. So maybe /bin/bash /root/startupScript >> /tmp/startupScriptLog 2>&1
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• 2880[18:40:42] <jelly> ryzokuken: OSX and Debian have slightly different locale names. What does "locale" command say when you log in to Linux?
• 2881[18:41:23] <ryzokuken> `LANG=en_US.UTF-8`
• 2882[18:41:29] <jelly> that's fine.
• 2883[18:41:37] <jelly> just UTF-8 would not have been fine.
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• 2893[18:42:55] <ryzokuken> okay.
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• 2897[18:43:33] <jelly> qaz1: however. If the previous command does what I think it does, that is, run bash /root/startupScript & in background, this change may break your boot process if the command never exits
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• 2900[18:44:15] <Fludix> Hi
• 2901[18:44:33] <qaz1> i just tested
• 2902[18:44:36] <qaz1> seems to work
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• 2907[18:45:56] <ForceRecon> hey guys what does it mean either amd/i386 or nvidia
• 2908[18:46:06] <ForceRecon> I have never seen that before..
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• 2911[18:46:27] <ForceRecon> replaced-url
• 2912[18:46:32] <ForceRecon> not sure what to choose..
• 2913[18:46:59] <Fludixx> amd is 64 BIT
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• 2915[18:47:13] <Fludixx> oh wait
• 2916[18:47:26] <Fludixx> what display driver do you use
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• 2920[18:48:00] <ForceRecon> well in a vmware session it is not nvidia.. so I was thinking INtel/amd.. but still curious about the nvidia download
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• 2922[18:48:31] <Fludixx> Use Intel if you are using vmware
• 2923[18:48:35] <jelly> ForceRecon: where does it say amd on that page?
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• 2925[18:49:03] <ForceRecon> why would you have a download specific to nvidia... we looking at the same page?
• 2926[18:49:11] <ForceRecon> 1.75 GB (Intel/AMD), 1.91 GB (NVIDIA)
• 2927[18:49:28] <ForceRecon> DOWNLOAD (INTEL/AMD)
• 2928[18:49:57] <ForceRecon> oh.. download.. click download
• 2929[18:50:14] <Fludixx> Because it isent very easy to install nvidia drivers on debian
• 2930[18:50:18] <jelly> ForceRecon: there's an explanation at the bottom?
• 2931[18:50:24] <Fludixx> so they offer a easy way to install them
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• 2934[18:50:55] <durg> doesn't the open source driver work?
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• 2937[18:51:12] <jelly> ForceRecon: the asterisk * next to DOWNLOAD(NVIDIA)* points to the footnote that starts with *
• 2938[18:51:17] <ForceRecon> just strange.. never saw a download for just nvidia
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• 2940[18:51:32] <ForceRecon> yeah but its still amd or intel.
• 2941[18:51:34] <jelly> * NVIDIA ISO Notes:
• 2942[18:51:35] <jelly> Installs the proprietary NVIDIA driver. Does not work with [...]
• 2943[18:51:58] <ForceRecon> Ill try them both see what happens in vmware
• 2944[18:52:11] <jelly> do you have a nvidia card?
• 2945[18:52:15] <Fludixx> if you have a laptop were you want to install this system and your laptop has nvidia gpu do not use nvidia iso!
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• 2948[18:52:46] <ForceRecon> I do but vmware does not use nvidia as its driver
• 2949[18:52:48] <jelly> ForceRecon: also: what does this have to do with Debian?
• 2950[18:52:52] <ForceRecon> even if you have an nvidia card
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• 2952[18:52:58] <ForceRecon> nothing just sharing
• 2953[18:53:00] <ForceRecon> sorry
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• 2955[18:53:31] <jelly> -> #debian-offtopic
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• 2957[18:53:46] <durg> you probably need to activate the hardware acceleration support for vmware and install the appropriate driver
• 2958[18:53:48] <jelly> or if you needtech help, ##linux
• 2959[18:53:56] <durg> which does not have to be nvidia
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• 2961[18:54:54] <jelly> if the host is not debian, and the guest seems not to be debian, there's a better place to talk about it than #debian
• 2962[18:55:04] <durg> i agree
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• 2970[18:57:18] <jelly> it looks like a distro with regular gnome. I'm not sure what the gnome people have been smoking when they decided dynamically adding and removing workspaces was nice
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• 2973[18:57:43] <JustASlacker> pretty much any WM can do that
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• 2977[18:58:19] * jelly really likes his fixed two dimensional array of desktops, been available since fvwm 1
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• 3015[19:09:38] <debiandragon> Hey there, how do I check what chipset my OS thinks it's using (x86 vs x86-64), I fear I may have accidentally installed a 32 bit os :(
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• 3017[19:10:30] <Fludixx> run neofetch
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• 3019[19:11:22] <cybrNaut> cat /proc/cpuinfo
• 3020[19:11:29] <petemc> file /bin/bash
• 3021[19:11:30] <somiaj> debiandragon: uname -a may help.
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• 3023[19:11:38] <debiandragon> ty guys I'll try that
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• 3027[19:12:03] <davis> hello
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• 3030[19:12:22] <somiaj> debiandragon: note you could have a 64bit kernel but using a 32bit userland. dpkg --print-architecture will print what base arch dpkg uses.
• 3031[19:12:49] <debiandragon> ok well the good news is that I have correctly installed the amd64 version, bad news is virtualbox is only giving me options for 32 bit vm...
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• 3033[19:12:57] <debiandragon> checking some documents :)
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• 3035[19:13:11] <n4dir> i install 32 on 64 machines all the time, btw.
• 3036[19:13:20] <davis> i'm trying to learn how http post works with curl and a webserver. If I run my curl command, it will post to the server. however, if I run tcpdump or ngrep on the network interface prior to issuing the curl command, curl will stall and not complete the transaction
• 3037[19:13:28] <metastable> debiandragon: If virtualization extensions are disabled, that's what you'll get.
• 3038[19:13:46] <davis> im doing this before I do my curl command
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• 3041[19:13:59] <metastable> debiandragon: 64-bit virtualization requires virtualization extensions in the CPU, and they must be enabled within BIOS/UEFI configuration.
• 3042[19:14:01] <davis> sudo ngrep -q -d enp0s3 -W byline host posttestserver.com and port 80
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• 3044[19:14:27] <davis> nvm, that time it worked. odd.
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• 3050[19:15:29] <cybrNaut> davis: i soemtimes grab curl packets by setting up a netcat or stunnel with logging, and curl connects to the tunnel.. that's another way
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• 3054[19:16:05] <debiandragon> alrighty, thanks, I'll check out some bios settings and see what I can do. Appreciated. ;)
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• 3060[19:16:37] <wald0> which is the debian-security repository for wheezy? seems like the one listed in the website is not valid: deb replaced-url
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• 3072[19:17:40] <petn-randall> !wheezy sources.list
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• 3074[19:17:40] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 3076[19:17:43] <petn-randall> wald0: ^^^
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• 3078[19:18:11] <petn-randall> Also relevant:
• 3079[19:18:14] <petn-randall> !wheezy-lts
• 3080[19:18:14] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See replaced-url
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• 3084[19:19:05] <petn-randall> Take home message is that wheezy doesn't get full support anymore, so consider upgrading if the packages or architectures you need are not covered by LTS.
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• 3087[19:20:09] <wald0> ah, thx
• 3088[19:20:35] <wald0> petn-randall: there is two "updates" ones listed, is there any difference or they are the same ?
• 3089[19:20:41] <wald0> in the dpkg output
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• 3098[19:21:42] <petn-randall> wald0: They are different.
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• 3107[19:22:20] <petn-randall> wald0: One is wheezy/updates from the security repo, the other is wheezy-updates from the regular repo, which is just point release updates.
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• 3115[19:25:33] <jelly> wald0: they are different. Debian likes the word "update" very much and uses it for like 4-5 different things.
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• 3118[19:26:31] <wald0> ok, thx, i will try both and see which packages changes for my wheezy install
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• 3124[19:28:53] <candidat1> hello
• 3125[19:29:53] <n4dir> to make it worse i would call such upgrades, not updates
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• 3143[19:39:29] <wald0> apt preferences, using "Pin: release a=wheezy/backports" works correctly, but seems like it doesn't works for wheezy/updates, what im doing wrong?
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• 3168[19:48:37] <wald0> ok i can use l=Debian-Security
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• 3181[19:53:33] <debiandragon> hey guys, I was told about changing some bios settings to due VM with 64 bit OS here and I appreciate it - haven't set it up yet but virtualbox now giving me the options I need to continue. :) Take care guys. :)
• 3182[19:53:39] <debiandragon> *to do
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• 3201[19:58:43] <jak2000> gpunk thanks
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• 3210[20:01:47] <wald0> petn-randall: i just tried the wheezy-updates one but seems like it doesn't has any candidate to update, is that normal ?
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• 3217[20:03:58] <wald0> hum, what is the updates exactly for ? they are the updates that they are going to be updated for the next release update ?
• 3218[20:04:08] * wald0 dont believe the number of update words used in teh last sentence
• 3219[20:04:31] <abrotman> wald0: yes, they are generally candidates for the next point release
• 3220[20:04:38] <abrotman> dpkg: tell wald0 about point relesae
• 3221[20:04:42] <abrotman> dpkg: tell wald0 about point release
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• 3226[20:06:22] <earthian> Hello, has anybody tried and does it work to have video and audio output through different digital outputs, e.g. two hdmi's or the computer or display port (usb-c) + hdmi?
• 3227[20:06:55] <wald0> i see, thx :)
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• 3237[20:09:14] <OS-32355> !phoenix
• 3238[20:09:14] <dpkg> From 2006 to 2016, Mozilla Firefox was known as "Iceweasel" in Debian because Mozilla would not permit Debian to use the Firefox name. Firefox packages are now available for both jessie and sid; Firefox in Debian <stable> follows the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. For the latest versions, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>.
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• 3244[20:09:38] <earthian> I am asking this because I am thinking about Intel NUC with debian as Media centre PC with one port (either hdmi or DP) going to projector and the other one to 5.1 sound amp and speakers...
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• 3246[20:09:57] <earthian> and just wondering if somebody has similar stuff working well...
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• 3248[20:10:01] <OS-32355> !phoenix
• 3249[20:10:01] <dpkg> From 2006 to 2016, Mozilla Firefox was known as "Iceweasel" in Debian because Mozilla would not permit Debian to use the Firefox name. Firefox packages are now available for both jessie and sid; Firefox in Debian <stable> follows the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. For the latest versions, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>.
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• 3254[20:10:57] <petn-randall> OS-32355: Do you need help?
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• 3259[20:12:02] <petn-randall> OS-32355: In general, don't PM people unless you're asked to.
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• 3261[20:12:19] <OS-32355> ok
• 3262[20:12:19] <petn-randall> OS-32355: If you want to respond, do it in the channel.
• 3263[20:12:31] <OS-32355> well , not able to root phoenix
• 3264[20:12:33] <OS-32355> any hint
• 3265[20:12:42] <petn-randall> OS-32355: The old browser?
• 3266[20:13:12] <OS-32355> whats up with the old browser
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• 3268[20:13:42] <petn-randall> OS-32355: You're not able to root the ancient mozilla browser?
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• 3270[20:14:06] <OS-32355> its centos machine
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• 3272[20:14:33] <petn-randall> OS-32355: I see. How is this related to Debian?
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• 3277[20:15:26] <OS-32355> i did not get you its just a distro 4.8
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• 3279[20:15:51] <Megaf> OS-32355, I have no idea what you are talking about
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• 3281[20:15:59] <davidw> Any ideas why tar -C new --create --file=foo-2.10.2.tar -T add_these_files.txt would create 3 copies of each file (the obvious thing, that add_these_files.txt has 3 of each is not true)
• 3282[20:16:08] <Megaf> OS-32355, this is a channel to talk about Debian Linux
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• 3284[20:16:24] <Megaf> OS-32355, you have problem with a browser running on CentOS
• 3285[20:16:29] <Megaf> I see no relation, sorry
• 3286[20:16:34] <FinalX> don't feed the troll
• 3287[20:16:48] <Megaf> FinalX, doesn't look like troll
• 3288[20:16:56] <SpeedyG> I guess he means replaced-url
• 3289[20:16:59] <SpeedyG> but still, not debian
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• 3292[20:17:04] <FinalX> no? using centos, using bot commands not mentioned anywhere that I recall..
• 3293[20:17:07] <FinalX> see, now he left
• 3294[20:17:12] <davidw> it must be using the dirnames... that's it... grrrr
• 3295[20:17:33] <SpeedyG> since he wanted to root it...
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• 3300[20:18:21] <Megaf> I wonder how did he get here in the first place
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• 3310[20:21:28] <SpeedyG> I guess thats just one of the wonders of the internet :)
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• 3335[20:27:47] <__diego__> Hello, I have a weird Linux issue. Dual boot machine, booting to Windows all works every time... Booting to Linux from a shutdown computer, all works. Booting to Linux from Windows (without shutting down first, just "restart") -> microphone does not work (internal laptop one) even sound does
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• 3350[20:33:01] <lroe> does anyone know if debian support :: notation for an IPv6 address?
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• 3353[20:33:12] <metastable> lroe: As is the standard, yes. Why?
• 3354[20:33:29] <laloloala> replaced-url
• 3355[20:33:50] <laloloala> joined the irc replaced-url
• 3356[20:34:03] <laloloala> * replaced-url
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• 3358[20:34:07] <metastable> !ops laloloala Spam.
• 3359[20:34:07] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: metastable complains about a problem (see above)
• 3360[20:34:11] <lroe> metastable, I'm trying to statically assign an IP and getting an error, working on a pastebin
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• 3363[20:34:33] <metastable> lroe: I'll check it out when you're ready.
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• 3367[20:34:50] <qaz1> hey guys
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• 3369[20:35:04] <qaz1> my root / keeps getting erros and requires checking everytime i boot
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• 3371[20:35:09] <qaz1> any idea what could be going wrong?
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• 3374[20:36:02] <petn-randall> qaz1: How are you shutting down the machine?
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• 3376[20:36:22] <qaz1> i tapped the power button to allow it to gracelly shut down
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• 3378[20:36:30] <laloloala> replaced-url
• 3379[20:36:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o petn-randall
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• 3382[20:36:36] <qaz1> i see a lot of IO after i tap the button
• 3383[20:36:46] <qaz1> where its gracefully shutting down
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• 3386[20:37:02] <mrjoshua2> Can the ubuntu system testing tool be installed in Puppy Linux?
• 3387[20:37:02] <__diego__> qaz1: if during boot there are errors, it might tell you to run manually, you could boot into single user mode and try there (or with a live cd / usb stick)
• 3388[20:37:12] <mrjoshua2> since both are debian based?
• 3389[20:37:45] <metastable> mrjoshua2: As we don't deal with either of those here, we're probably a poor resource.,
• 3390[20:37:46] <petn-randall> mrjoshua2: No idea, we can't say much about derived distributions, you'll have to ask in their respective channel what works and what doesn't.
• 3391[20:38:07] <mrjoshua2> sorry
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• 3393[20:38:16] <petn-randall> !puppy linux
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• 3395[20:38:16] <dpkg> Puppy Linux is a GNU/Linux mini-distribution. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
• 3396[20:38:22] <__diego__> Hello, I have a weird Linux issue. Dual boot machine, booting to Windows all works every time... Booting to Linux from a shutdown computer, all works. Booting to Linux from Windows (without shutting down first, just "restart") -> microphone does not work (internal laptop one) even sound does
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• 3398[20:38:27] <lroe> metastable, replaced-url
• 3399[20:38:29] <petn-randall> mrjoshua2: They're on freenode, just a different channel. ^^^
• 3400[20:38:40] <remos> !s dvdrip
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• 3405[20:39:55] <debiandragon> hey I'm using a linux box right now, trying to set up another VM inside it, getting fatal error, no boot medium. I got a .img.gz from a distro, then unzipped it to its .img, then used dd to create the .iso for it. Is that the proper way of making an .iso?
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• 3407[20:40:20] <petn-randall> debiandragon: No idea. What do their installation instructions say?
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• 3412[20:41:12] <metastable> lroe: change 'inet' to 'inet6' and try again.
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• 3414[20:41:42] <debiandragon> petn-randall: they assume that you start with an .iso
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• 3417[20:43:03] <debiandragon> petn-randall: ok, so ... it appears there are instructions there on how to create a LiveCD, so I'll start checking there.
• 3418[20:43:22] <lroe> metastable, same error
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• 3420[20:44:22] <metastable> lroe: Please paste your full /etc/network/interfaces file, and actual copy-paste of the commands you're entering and the output.
• 3421[20:44:56] <metastable> lroe: You're welcome to mask the first three octets of your IPv4 address, if it's a publicly-routable address.
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• 3423[20:45:21] <lroe> oh I don't care about that, but the machine is on a console without networking at the moment, so I'll have to figure something out
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• 3428[20:45:37] <metastable> lroe: Screenshot or something?
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• 3449[20:48:43] <lroe> replaced-url
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• 3451[20:49:04] <lroe> metastable, ^
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• 3476[20:56:51] <metastable> lroe: I can't replicate your issue, actually.
• 3477[20:56:58] <lroe> really?
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• 3479[20:57:48] <lroe> ok, I'll keep poking a bit, thanks for your help
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• 3481[20:59:10] <Fjorgynn> hey
• 3482[20:59:18] <Fjorgynn> if I make chown -R user:replaced-url
• 3483[20:59:20] <Fjorgynn> as root
• 3484[20:59:21] <Fjorgynn> ...
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• 3486[21:00:13] <JPT> Fjorgynn: Then you'll probably need to fix a lot of stuff
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• 3489[21:01:09] <JPT> Fjorgynn: You will probably want to keep that root shell in order to repair ownership of all the setuid binaries like su/sudo/passwd/login?/...
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• 3493[21:02:33] <Fjorgynn> yeah ...
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• 3495[21:03:06] <babilen> Fjorgynn: Do you have backups?
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• 3499[21:04:09] <Fjorgynn> to some extent
• 3500[21:04:10] <Fjorgynn> yes
• 3501[21:04:19] <Fjorgynn> but not of the whole root
• 3502[21:04:20] <Fjorgynn> of my vps
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• 3504[21:04:32] <metastable> Fjorgynn: Time to rebuild, and then restore what data you can.
• 3505[21:04:34] <babilen> Reinstalling packages might fix some of those permissions too .. You can also recover permissions from backups (which you use as a reference)
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• 3508[21:05:10] <metastable> Fjorgynn: You could try that, but I highly suspect that that's not going to fully repair the damage.
• 3509[21:05:22] <babilen> Most likely not
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• 3511[21:05:53] <Fjorgynn> now I am downloading all of the remaining data from blogs and such
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• 3528[21:11:25] <n-iCe> is debian removing 32 bits support?
• 3529[21:11:32] <Danili> Hi ereybody, I have a VPS running with jessie, and I'm pretty sure my source.list is missing something. I'm a bit of a newb to the repo stuff. I'm trying to install php7.0 but i keep getting messages about missing dependicies on alot of stuff. In my source.list i have security. and ftp.debian.org and dotdeb
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• 3540[21:17:10] <annadane> !bat
• 3541[21:17:10] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 3542[21:17:15] <annadane> Danili, ^
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• 3544[21:17:43] <Fludixx> Try replaced-url
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• 3546[21:18:14] <Fludixx> or Navigate to the sources.list and klick on it
• 3547[21:18:40] <Danili> I'll do that and paste the info to some bin when done annadane :)
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• 3553[21:21:25] <apteryx> Hi! I've managed to bring a br0 (bridge) interface up, and I'm trying to use it with a barebone (server) Debian 9 image through Qemu. It seems the bridge is visible as 'ens3' in the guest, but so far I haven't managed to ping the host or outside IP such as 8.8.8.8
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• 3556[21:22:31] <apteryx> Do I need to do something more than "ip address add 10.1.1.2 dev ens3" to allow networking from my bridged guest?
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• 3563[21:24:31] <ghormoon> hi, is it somehow possible that systemd somehow set'sbehaviour for opening a lid from suspended laptop? I can't find anything relevant in bios and it's annoying it unsuspends on opening lid. usually on it;s own in bagpack :)
• 3564[21:24:48] <n-iCe> is debian removing 32 bits support?
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• 3567[21:25:26] <Danili> Looks like Fludixx's fix helped
• 3568[21:25:36] <Danili> thanks :D
• 3569[21:25:45] <Fludixx> No Problem
• 3570[21:26:12] <Fludixx> n-iCe i think so
• 3571[21:26:17] <Danili> But i changed the .de. language indicator
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• 3582[21:32:49] <ghormoon> ok, found how to change it once, is there some default settings or I need some one time service to do echo "LID" >/proc/acpi/wakeup ?
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• 3594[21:35:00] <metastable> apteryx: Yes, that command doesn't specify a router for the system to use to route traffic.
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• 3596[21:35:24] <metastable> apteryx: I assume the guest is also Debian?
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• 3600[21:36:06] <apteryx> metastable: the guest is Debian 9, the host is Ubuntu 16.04
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• 3602[21:36:35] <apteryx> metastable: the bridge was created using the recipe here: replaced-url
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• 3607[21:37:46] <metastable> apteryx: Is the host system directly attached to the internet, or is it behind a router?
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• 3609[21:38:25] <apteryx> It's behind a router.
• 3610[21:38:32] <metastable> apteryx: Then that script is a nonsensical mess.
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• 3612[21:39:03] <metastable> apteryx: If you're not directly attached to the internet, there's no need to configure NAT or any of that.
• 3613[21:39:07] <apteryx> I couldn't make sense of it to be honest.
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• 3617[21:39:35] <metastable> Do you want your guest to be accessible from the rest of your LAN like any other system would be?
• 3618[21:39:50] <apteryx> I only need bidirectional communication between my host and guest
• 3619[21:39:55] <metastable> apteryx: Then no.
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• 3623[21:40:37] <apteryx> So, would the 3 first lines suffice? (add br0, bring it up, and attach an IP to it?)
• 3624[21:41:01] <metastable> apteryx: Not quite. What you're trying to do is basically an internal virtual switch.
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• 3627[21:41:26] <apteryx> OK. What is the canonical way to accomplish this?
• 3628[21:41:39] <metastable> apteryx: Cute choice of words. Canonical's way to do this: replaced-url
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• 3634[21:42:19] <apteryx> OK ;)
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• 3636[21:42:30] <apteryx> Thanks for the link. I will try again with this approach.
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• 3639[21:42:53] <metastable> apteryx: Note that getting networking functional is for the most part a hypervisor concern. As the hypervisor is Ubuntu, you might seek assistance there rather than there.
• 3640[21:42:58] <metastable> apteryx: Rather than here, I mean.
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• 3642[21:43:37] <apteryx> Right. I'll seek their advice there. Thanks again.
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• 3645[21:44:12] <apteryx> Now that I have the correct terminology it should help!
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• 3650[21:45:35] <flizzy> Good evening, I did just Install Debian (lxde) on my laptop and now am facing a number of questions.
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• 3652[21:45:57] <flizzy> Is there a way to skip the boot sequence in which you can either just pick Debian or other options?
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• 3655[21:46:48] <greycat> If it's a question of speeding it up, you can hit Enter to make it go, or you can decrease the length of the grub timeout.
• 3656[21:47:30] <flizzy> Is it possible to set the length to zero - or skip it entirely?
• 3657[21:48:35] <greycat> Why would you want to lock yourself out of the ability to fix your system when it breaks in the future?
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• 3659[21:49:00] <flizzy> Quiet frankly because I am in no way talented enough to fix it should something break, but I do see your point.
• 3660[21:49:40] <greycat> Anyway, the variable is GRUB_TIMEOUT in /etc/default/grub
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• 3662[21:49:44] <Minnen> replaced-url
• 3663[21:49:58] <greycat> If you change it there, run update-grub to make it go into effect.
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• 3665[21:50:03] <flizzy> Let me see if I can find that. May I hit you with another question?
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• 3676[21:51:52] <flizzy> How do I go about accessing /etc ?
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• 3678[21:52:08] <greycat> it's a directory
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• 3683[21:53:50] <flizzy> I'm just not certain where to find said directory.
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• 3685[21:54:28] <greycat> cd /etc
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• 3689[21:54:45] <greycat> or simply sudo editor /etc/default/grub
• 3690[21:55:09] <greycat> a path beginning with / is an "absolute" path, which specifies the exact location within the file system hierarchy
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• 3694[21:57:36] <flizzy> I still don't understand how to access said path, sorry
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• 3703[21:59:07] <greycat> If you have sudo installed, sudo editor /etc/default/grub
• 3704[21:59:14] <greycat> If you don't: su, then editor /etc/default/grub
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• 3710[22:00:27] <flizzy> I'm on a fresh install, so I doubt I have it installed.
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• 3715[22:01:40] <flizzy> "If you don't: su, then editor /etc/default/grub"
• 3716[22:01:47] <flizzy> This something I type into terminal?
• 3717[22:02:00] <greycat> I"m done. *plonk*
• 3718[22:02:10] <flizzy> :thinking:
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• 3720[22:02:42] <Fludixx> sudo does not come preinstalled
• 3721[22:03:27] <Vizva> yes in terminal
• 3722[22:03:35] <flizzy> Well I definitely don't have it then.
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• 3725[22:03:50] <Vizva> su
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• 3727[22:03:58] <Vizva> the it ask for password
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• 3742[22:07:23] <Vizva> flizzy
• 3743[22:07:28] <flizzy> Alright, I'm in the editor now
• 3744[22:07:44] <Vizva> i think you dont need to change something in there
• 3745[22:07:58] <Vizva> best is to install debian and try later
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• 3747[22:08:08] <flizzy> I have Debian installed.
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• 3749[22:08:14] <Vizva> you want to make it quiet
• 3750[22:08:29] <Vizva> cd /etc
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• 3752[22:08:33] <Vizva> then ls
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• 3756[22:09:19] <Vizva> you can see files inside
• 3757[22:09:27] <Vizva> and directories
• 3758[22:09:39] <flizzy> I don't think I can
• 3759[22:09:51] <flizzy> When I type that into the editor window it does nothing from the looks of it.
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• 3761[22:10:03] <Vizva> not in the editor
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• 3763[22:10:17] <flizzy> Alright so
• 3764[22:10:19] <flizzy> just su?
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• 3766[22:10:52] <Vizva> first try suing the debian and do this change later
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• 3768[22:10:57] <Vizva> using
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• 3771[22:11:13] <Vizva> you have network?
• 3772[22:11:28] <flizzy> Not at this point in time. I am just trying to make some adjustments right now.
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• 3775[22:12:09] <Vizva> take another thing like a tbalet or notebook to your side and then read pages with linux and try things
• 3776[22:12:14] <Vizva> tablet
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• 3779[22:12:49] <flizzy> After booting the system asks me for both a user name and password. Is there a way to have the account pre-selected and only type in the password?
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• 3782[22:13:24] <Vizva> yes there are many ways but you need to search this in internet - if you ask all questions in here its too much
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• 3784[22:13:53] <greycat> You're far more patient than I am. :-/
• 3785[22:14:40] <flizzy> Where else would I ask these questions if not in the IRC?
• 3786[22:14:54] <Vizva> read it in pages
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• 3788[22:14:56] <Vizva> replaced-url
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• 3791[22:15:20] <greycat> Try searching for "linux tutorial" or "intro to unix" or something along those lines.
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• 3794[22:15:46] <Devastator> what is the login and password of Debian live? from jessie
• 3795[22:16:09] <greycat> !live password
• 3796[22:16:09] <dpkg> The debian-live images for Debian 8 "Jessie" have a user account configured for you to use. username: user ; password: live
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• 3803[22:17:56] <Vardan> hi all
• 3804[22:18:08] <Vizva> greycat comes with the age ;)
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• 3808[22:20:23] <flizzy> Well I
• 3809[22:20:37] <flizzy> Guess I'll be gone then. Thanks for the help and have a good day/night.
• 3810[22:20:39] <Vardan> people I want to install debian 9.2 and trying it on virtualbox, and already see some issues. The main issue that I have now it's ca certificate issue. I have installed latest ubuntu ca-certificates package but when I try to download from github again receive ssl cert issue.
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• 3812[22:21:13] <Vizva> Vardan what have debian to do with Ubuntu?
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• 3815[22:21:52] <Vardan> Vizva: I just wanted to have latest ca-certificates package where I thought will be latest certs
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• 3820[22:22:47] <Vardan> I don't want to turn off git cert checking
• 3821[22:22:47] <Vizva> latest isnt always best maybe you should ask in #Unbuntu or the right channel for it
• 3822[22:23:20] <Vardan> forgot ubuntu, I just tried .deb from there packages, now the problem in debian :)
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• 3826[22:24:33] <Vizva> generic questions , maybe related to #linux ?
• 3827[22:25:08] <Vardan> in that case I will have that issue on other distro too, but I have not
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• 3830[22:25:23] <Vardan> I have tried ubuntu, fedora, opensuse ...
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• 3832[22:26:01] <Vizva> and the debian one is too lold for you ,in your opinion ?
• 3833[22:26:04] <Vizva> old
• 3834[22:26:43] <Vardan> doesn't meter for me, I just want stable distro
• 3835[22:26:56] <Vizva> then dont install ubuntu things
• 3836[22:27:01] <Vardan> but yes, debian stable packages are oldest one
• 3837[22:27:13] <Vardan> aaaaaaaa man, forgot ubuntu
• 3838[22:27:34] <greycat> Give us a command we can use to try to reproduce your issue.
• 3839[22:27:45] <Vardan> it didn't worked before that
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• 3841[22:28:09] <Vardan> after installing ubuntu package, I have reinstalled debian again
• 3842[22:28:28] <Vardan> so, now I have debian 9.2 from scratch and have that issue
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• 3844[22:28:51] <Vizva> with a ubuntu package or was this only for explanation?
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• 3848[22:29:29] <Vizva> yes give the command you did use or a paste of your doings
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• 3851[22:30:31] <intore> hi all, i've a problem on an external hd, after plug in it i've got many errors like "buffer i/o error on device sdb, I/O error, dev sdb, sector 0
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• 3853[22:30:55] <intore> It's formatted in fat32
• 3854[22:31:21] <Vardan> Vizva: "git ls-remote --tags --heads replaced-url
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• 3865[22:35:18] <Vizva> girls dont want to give the eros - questioneers dont want to give the errors?
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• 3869[22:36:34] <Vizva> greycat you want to reproduce?
• 3870[22:36:35] <greycat> Vardan: git ls-remote --tags --heads replaced-url
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• 3872[22:36:45] <greycat> I mean, obviously I installed git.
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• 3874[22:37:43] <greycat> If I've done anything else that makes git replaced-url
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• 3879[22:39:31] <Vardan> check this: replaced-url
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• 3881[22:40:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o eir
• 3882[22:40:04] *** eir sets mode: -bo *!*@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.88.178.62.248 eir
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• 3884[22:40:24] <Vardan> sorry wrong link: replaced-url
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• 3886[22:40:38] <greycat> To enable further options, view this page with a browser that supports iframes
• 3887[22:40:46] <greycat> so, yeah, um, no.
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• 3896[22:44:34] <Vizva> i have some actions i couldnt now try it
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• 3899[22:45:17] <greycat> If you were attempting to paste a terminal session (command and results), try replaced-url
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• 3901[22:45:48] <Vardan> I have already done that, check the second link that I have sent
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• 3905[22:46:17] <greycat> The one that gives me "To enable further options, view this page with a browser that supports iframes" in w3m?
• 3906[22:46:30] <greycat> The one that most definitely does not begin with replaced-url
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• 3910[22:47:02] <Vizva> the google link?
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• 3913[22:47:19] <Vizva> his goo.gl shortlink has been disabled. It was found to be violating our Terms of Service
• 3914[22:47:38] <greycat> one was goo.gl and gave a "terms and conditions violation" error, and the other was bit.ly and gives a "must have iframes" error.
• 3915[22:47:51] <zarkos> hello guys
• 3916[22:47:59] <Vardan> the second one not goo.gl it's bit.ly
• 3917[22:48:07] <Vardan> but can look here replaced-url
• 3918[22:48:13] <Vizva> the bitly did work for me
• 3919[22:48:22] <zarkos> i need help to chroot to modify the password on a debian box...
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• 3922[22:48:36] <greycat> !chroot
• 3923[22:48:36] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
• 3924[22:49:03] <Vizva> replaced-url
• 3925[22:49:06] <zarkos> when i use chroot /media/sda1 its gives chroot: failed to run command '/bin/bash': Exec format error
• 3926[22:49:10] <Vizva> refer me to this one
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• 3930[22:49:47] <zarkos> thx i will try that greycat
• 3931[22:50:03] <zarkos> but im using knoppix
• 3932[22:50:09] <greycat> zarkos: sounds like the programs inside the chroot are not correct for your arch
• 3933[22:50:17] <Vizva> miss of a mount point maybe
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• 3935[22:50:28] <Vizva> yes this
• 3936[22:50:29] <caraconan> Hi there. Just for the records. After troubleshooting a bit my freezed blank screen was an X issue documented here: replaced-url
• 3937[22:50:29] <caraconan> The workaround:
• 3938[22:50:29] <caraconan> (Luckily I had a 2nd laptop) ssh to the failing laptop
• 3939[22:50:29] <caraconan> sudo aptitude install libglvnd0
• 3940[22:50:29] <caraconan> sudo shutdown -r now
• 3941[22:50:30] *** caraconan was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
• 3942[22:50:31] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 3943[22:50:44] <Vizva> you need to use the distro with same librarys
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• 3947[22:51:59] <Vizva> judd i had this bug
• 3948[22:52:00] <judd> No package named 'had' was found in stretch/amd64.
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• 3951[22:52:17] <zarkos> greycat: Vizva thx for the tip. i will follow that
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• 3974[22:56:41] <Vizva> i had bugs but i didnt downgrade i did symlinks to never librarys
• 3975[22:56:50] <Vizva> consider a hack
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• 3977[22:57:09] <Vizva> if i remember correct
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• 3985[23:00:23] <Vizva> looks like its not hot?
• 3986[23:00:49] <Vizva> i had several problems like this its not easy how to remember
• 3987[23:00:51] <Vardan> Vizva: you are about my issue? :)
• 3988[23:01:00] <raidghost> hot or not depends on the weather :P
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• 3990[23:01:21] <Vizva> it was more for judd
• 3991[23:01:44] <Vizva> Vardan i have a stretch isnt old i will try your git download
• 3992[23:01:53] <Vizva> its busy
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• 3994[23:02:28] <Vardan> I just reinstalled 9.2.1, will try git download again
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• 3998[23:03:37] <Vizva> did work for me
• 3999[23:03:49] <Vizva> alot of hashes
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• 4013[23:08:36] <Devastator> greycat thanks for the help with live password :)
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• 4025[23:13:40] <zarkos> didnt work
• 4026[23:13:49] <zarkos> alt f2 didnt work
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• 4078[23:33:17] <Vizva> Zarkos
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• 4083[23:33:57] <Vizva> !chroot
• 4084[23:33:58] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
• 4085[23:34:15] <Vizva> its not alt alone
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• 4088[23:35:07] <Vizva> CTRL ALT F2
• 4089[23:35:07] <petn-randall> !ifrp
• 4090[23:35:08] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
• 4091[23:35:15] <petn-randall> zarkos: ^^^ All the steps you need.
• 4092[23:35:21] <Vizva> or Strg ALT F2
• 4093[23:35:39] <annadane> what does ifrp refer to?
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• 4095[23:35:51] <petn-randall> "I forgot root's password"
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• 4097[23:36:19] <zarkos> Vizva: i booted on debian 9 usb key and started a terminal
• 4098[23:36:38] <zarkos> the /target folder doesnt exist
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• 4101[23:36:58] <zarkos> ok let me try again
• 4102[23:37:23] <Vizva> target is a word only
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• 4105[23:38:12] <Vizva> maybe for another destination ?!
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• 4108[23:38:44] <Vizva> or you need to create it
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• 4111[23:38:57] <Vizva> with mkdir target for example
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• 4114[23:40:04] <n4dir> "/dev/*whatever*" is a placeholder too, btw :-)
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• 4119[23:41:25] <n4dir> so you run "fdisk -l", figure out which is the partition you have to use as the root partition, and mount that on a directory which exists, if you have to create it with mkdir . Makes any sense, zarkos?
• 4120[23:41:33] <zarkos> fdisk -l
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• 4122[23:42:26] <zarkos> it makes a bit of sense :)
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• 4124[23:42:52] <n4dir> zarkos: the operation is rather easy, but not that easy to explain. good luck.
• 4125[23:44:02] <zarkos> n4dir yes it is complicated
• 4126[23:44:05] <zarkos> there is several steps
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• 4140[23:50:40] <awal1> synclient TapButton1=1
• 4141[23:50:47] <awal1> excuses
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• 4158[23:59:44] <crucify_me> hi what's the best data base to install on jessie 8 or 9 , in terms of market demand ? should I go nosql like mongo or similar?
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