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• 4[00:02:48] <xrogaan> doubleJJ, you're funny
• 5[00:03:17] <mtcj> Does anyone know how to disable and input even if it's I D changes
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• 9[00:04:28] <xrogaan> doubleJJ, what do you mean by general guide for how to write software for GNU/Linux?
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• 11[00:04:47] <mtcj> As in Xin put
• 12[00:05:00] <mtcj> Damn autocorrect
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• 15[00:06:44] <teraflops> mtcj: libinput? use names
• 16[00:07:18] <mtcj> Teraflops thank you I will look into it
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• 18[00:07:48] <teraflops> mtcj: as in `xinput set-prop 'ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad' 277 1` vs `xinput set-prop 12 277 1`
• 19[00:08:08] <mtcj> My name is exactly what I was looking for so that's perfect
• 20[00:08:20] <teraflops> the latter will fail
• 21[00:08:25] <teraflops> eventually
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• 23[00:09:03] <mtcj> Now I have a question, my situation is that the device goes to sleep end when it reconnects it uses a different I D
• 24[00:09:16] <teraflops> use the name not the id
• 25[00:09:30] <mtcj> Will that change be persistent even after the device disconnects and reconnects 26 go
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• 27[00:09:57] <Guest66603> Hi all
• 28[00:10:04] <Guest66603> I'm looking for a SNMP master
• 29[00:10:08] <teraflops> mtcj: use names :P replaced-url
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• 32[00:11:37] <doubleJJ> xrogaan: sort of a rundown.
• 33[00:11:47] <doubleJJ> as in - get build-essentials
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• 38[00:12:07] <doubleJJ> for interfacing with X window system you'll need libX11-dev (or whatever)
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• 40[00:12:21] <mtcj> teraflops: yeah but I was wondering about the persistence
• 41[00:12:42] <doubleJJ> or in case if windows you'd direct people to MSDN and Win32 APIs which generally expose the OS functionality
• 42[00:12:43] <mtcj> The names is good advice which I'll use but I wasn't sure about that part
• 43[00:12:46] <teraflops> use names since they do not chabge
• 44[00:12:53] <doubleJJ> as in' that's the API you write for
• 45[00:12:56] <teraflops> change*
• 46[00:13:13] <xrogaan> doubleJJ, so, C then?
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• 48[00:14:14] <xrogaan> because you have api and libraries everywhere
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• 50[00:14:23] <xrogaan> in all languages
• 51[00:14:41] <doubleJJ> yeah, but the OS interface is in C
• 52[00:14:52] <xrogaan> which part?
• 53[00:15:23] <doubleJJ> in case of windows it's Win32
• 54[00:15:23] <teraflops> mtcj: theres no workaround use the names is the same situation like using /dev/sda2 instead of using uuids in fstab
• 55[00:15:23] <doubleJJ> that's how you write software for windows
• 56[00:15:23] <xrogaan> teraflops, he quit
• 57[00:15:23] <doubleJJ> you write it against win32
• 58[00:15:23] <teraflops> ah
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• 60[00:15:23] <teraflops> :P
• 61[00:15:41] <doubleJJ> and then you have higher abstractions over that
• 62[00:15:50] <xrogaan> doubleJJ, well, you have GTK and QT as bit libraries
• 63[00:15:58] <xrogaan> big
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• 69[00:16:46] <doubleJJ> xrogaan: and those are on top of X windows system, right?
• 70[00:16:50] <xrogaan> they interface with the window manager, I reckon.
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• 72[00:17:32] <xrogaan> if you want to go dirty, you can start with x.org > replaced-url
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• 76[00:18:36] <Guest66603> Question about SNMP. Is it normal that when I try to snmpwalk my server, I only get like 50 OID?
• 77[00:19:13] <Guest66603> I'm trying to import new MIBs but it doesn't seem to work :-(
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• 79[00:19:55] <xrogaan> doubleJJ, but they themselves direct you towards GTK or QT if your aim is to write application for X
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• 81[00:20:12] <xrogaan> even though there are many other toolkit
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• 90[00:23:18] <doubleJJ> xrogaan: the abstraction level I need is API to get keyboard events(hotkeys) and API to manipulate window size/positions
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• 92[00:24:30] <xrogaan> doubleJJ, do I need to go in the x.org wiki for you and get some link?
• 93[00:24:31] <doubleJJ> it seems like the Xlib API is the right level of abstraction
• 94[00:24:55] <doubleJJ> xrogaan: naah, it's just all very confusing
• 95[00:25:10] <xrogaan> or XCV
• 96[00:25:13] <xrogaan> XCB sorry
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• 101[00:26:18] <doubleJJ> xrogaan: why is XCB replacing Xlib?
• 102[00:26:22] <doubleJJ> what's the history there?
• 103[00:27:00] <xrogaan> keep in mind that "linux" is just the kernel. Everything else are just lego parts that gravitate around it.
• 104[00:27:53] <xrogaan> I don't know
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• 106[00:27:59] <doubleJJ> xrogaan: that's exactly why a an overall "developers guide" seems necessary
• 107[00:28:09] <xrogaan> xlib is just very old
• 108[00:28:12] <doubleJJ> as there are multiple moving parts and no single API to write against
• 109[00:28:18] <doubleJJ> (maybe there is)
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• 111[00:28:54] <x86iac> if i comment out a .h include and there is no error when compiling - that is pretty good certainty that whatever is in it isn't used?
• 112[00:29:06] <doubleJJ> i mean X11 is not part of linux, but when writing desktop software - isnt it defacto part of it?
• 113[00:29:22] <doubleJJ> as in - you can reasonably expect the X windows system to be there
• 114[00:29:23] <xrogaan> because you can have other window manager
• 115[00:29:32] <xrogaan> or maybe you don't need a window manager
• 116[00:29:43] <doubleJJ> but is it built on top of something which I can rely on to be there?
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• 118[00:29:59] <doubleJJ> what are the parts that I can reliably expect to be there?
• 119[00:30:04] <doubleJJ> what's the foundation?
• 120[00:30:45] <xrogaan> that's why you want a guide for a distro, not general GNU/linux
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• 122[00:30:57] <xrogaan> because each distro as its quirk
• 123[00:31:21] <doubleJJ> the interesting parts are the parts which are shared between them
• 124[00:31:36] <doubleJJ> the parts you can - in one way or another - expect to have in most of distros
• 125[00:31:36] <xrogaan> yeah, and they differ in versions too.
• 126[00:32:18] <xrogaan> you know, like Jessie is set in stone until 2020? No major update should get into it.
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• 129[00:32:28] <doubleJJ> so that i can just git clone my tool, build it and expect it to work on 90% of the cases where some sort of windowing interface is there
• 130[00:32:58] <xrogaan> if the api doesn't break between version, sure.
• 131[00:33:38] <xrogaan> but you can't account for each flavors.
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• 133[00:33:56] <Guest66603> how do you add a MIB to your system? i'm trying to poll UCD-SNMP-MIB::ssCpuUser.0 for example. My SNMP is able to translate it
• 134[00:34:14] <Guest66603> but if i try to snmpget the OID, I get an error
• 135[00:34:27] <doubleJJ> xrogaan: not every, just the *mainstream* ones - the largest subset
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• 137[00:35:19] <xrogaan> well then, you got your job cut for you. But I'd suggest to build your stuff against one distro for starter then see if it work somewhere else.
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• 150[00:37:31] <xrogaan> doubleJJ, thing is, it's a bit confusing, because the data's everywhere. But at least it is quite well documented.
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• 154[00:39:56] <xrogaan> except for gnome
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• 216[01:17:20] <doubleJJ> replaced-url
• 217[01:17:28] <doubleJJ> LOL, this is just beautiful API design
• 218[01:17:30] <doubleJJ> my god
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• 242[01:33:40] <ug> hi, anyone else running sid get the prompt to uninstall vim while doing a `apt-get dist-upgrade`/`apt full upgrade`?
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• 248[01:34:35] <missmbob> ug: as those people
• 249[01:34:42] <missmbob> !debian-next
• 250[01:34:42] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 253[01:34:55] <ug> missmbob: thank you
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• 255[01:35:54] <ug> looks like I need an invite to that channel
• 256[01:36:21] <missmbob> ug no. you just need to read more carefully. it said it's on oftc, not freenode
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• 436[03:15:26] <__raven__> hi
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• 438[03:16:58] <RoyK> ho
• 439[03:17:09] <__raven__> clean install of debian 8 on a celeron 1007u based board with rtl8111/8168/8411 nic. i am not able to get network running. any idea?
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• 461[03:28:57] <jmcnaught> __raven__: what error messages are you getting?
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• 468[03:30:27] <__raven__> jmcnaught: none i just have no network. nic is not enabled
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• 470[03:31:27] <jmcnaught> __raven__: what have you done to configure networking?
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• 480[03:34:48] <__raven__> manually copied some fw files of a firmware-nonfree tar to lib/firmware/... but nothing happened
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• 485[03:37:02] <jmcnaught> __raven__: are you also troubleshooting this on OFTC under a different nick? also can you please show the output of "dmesg | grep -i firmware" and "lspci -nn | grep -i net" in a paste?
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• 489[03:37:22] <jmcnaught> please use replaced-url
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• 497[03:41:23] <doubleJJ> I've given up on Xlib
• 498[03:43:01] <spygrid> What happened to Seamonkey/IceApe/Mozilla Composer ? They seem to be missing in current repo.
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• 545[04:21:42] <polyzen> brexit
• 546[04:21:59] <polyzen> > people that use /exit
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• 564[04:31:30] <ripdisk> guys, which desktop enviroment in debian is the lightest?
• 565[04:31:35] <ripdisk> i mean super light weight
• 566[04:31:39] <ripdisk> it's on a micro PC
• 567[04:31:47] <ripdisk> ghome xfce cinnamon mate lxde
• 568[04:32:01] <spygrid> twm
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• 570[04:32:31] <xzgv> icewm, jwm
• 571[04:32:31] <ripdisk> that's not one of the options
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• 573[04:33:15] <ripdisk> out of gnome xfce kde cinnamon mate and lxde
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• 575[04:33:42] <xzgv> lxde
• 576[04:34:05] <ripdisk> ok thanks. i tried using debian desktop enviroment and it was literally too slow to work.
• 577[04:34:42] <xzgv> micropc -> window manager
• 578[04:35:04] <ripdisk> just on one of them. it's going under the TV to play movies, hopefully.
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• 581[04:37:30] <xzgv> i use icewm and html5 for movies - no flash
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• 583[04:38:54] <xzgv> jwm uses less ram
• 584[04:39:37] <RoyK> SpaceAce: haha
• 585[04:39:41] <RoyK> spygrid: haha
• 586[04:39:45] <RoyK> SpaceAce: sorry
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• 588[04:40:18] <RoyK> ripdisk: what sort of "micro pc"? cpu? memory?
• 589[04:41:44] <ripdisk> 3300MX-HAP
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• 592[04:42:45] <RoyK> I'd use a raspberry pi instead of one of those
• 593[04:43:13] <RoyK> 512MB RAM?
• 594[04:44:29] <tyracey> World jewry is in a mad dash to shut down internet activists who have been effectively exposing jewish criminality and initiating a movement to rid ourselves of jewish tyranny.
• 595[04:44:30] <tyracey> replaced-url
• 596[04:45:36] <jmcnaught> !ops tyracey racist conspiracy theory spam
• 597[04:45:36] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: tyracey racist conspiracy theory spam
• 598[04:46:04] <tyracey> jmcnaught, Mind-controlled golem.
• 599[04:46:35] <RoyK> tyracey: this isn't the right place to post political comments
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• 675[05:36:27] <prettyinseattle> World jewry is in a mad dash to shut down internet activists who have been effectively exposing jewish criminality and initiating a movement to rid ourselves of jewish tyranny.
• 676[05:36:30] <prettyinseattle> replaced-url
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• 692[05:43:14] <jim> jelly here still?
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• 697[05:46:10] <jim> anyway I had a question about the behavior of an x server... when there's nothing xlike besides the server installed, do you usually get a black screen and can't see mouse pointer, when the x server is actually set up properly? (used to be, you'd get a light grey screen, and an x pointer in that case)
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• 700[05:49:38] <pingfloyd> jim: I don't think you'll see anything without some sort of xclient running
• 701[05:50:03] <pingfloyd> jim: like if you only had xterm as your running xclient for instance, it would just be a full screen term an nothing else.
• 702[05:50:13] <pingfloyd> jim: and remember a WM is another xclient
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• 705[05:51:12] <pingfloyd> i.e., xclients run on a display on the xserver.
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• 710[05:51:52] <jim> didn't there used to be a way of saying somexserverexecutable xclientname and then have the x server run the client? (didn't find anything like that for Xorg)
• 711[05:52:11] <pingfloyd> you mean xinitrc?
• 712[05:52:33] <jim> that's a text file isn't it?
• 713[05:52:37] <pingfloyd> that's usually where you tell the xserver which xclients to invoke when it starts for you
• 714[05:52:47] <pingfloyd> yeah, a text file
• 715[05:52:49] <jim> oh, you mean start the clients in that file
• 716[05:53:39] <pingfloyd> there's the systemwide one under /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc and then there is ~/.xinitrc
• 717[05:54:33] <jim> there used to be a .xsession which worked the same way... only you'd put the session controller last, and run it it the script's foreground
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• 720[05:55:24] <pingfloyd> but there is actually more than that involved in some cases. for example: ~/.config/xfce4/xinitrc
• 721[05:55:33] <meshugga> hey, is there a way to accellerate debugging a deb package, such that for example, the binaries are symlinks into the build dir?
• 722[05:55:49] <meshugga> so that i do not need to rebuild and install the debs every time?
• 723[05:56:18] <jim> well you probably need to get the lintian report on the packages
• 724[05:56:29] <pingfloyd> jim: there really is a ton and depends on how your environment is setup
• 725[05:56:55] <pingfloyd> really there is too many
• 726[05:57:28] <jim> ok, good enuf... thanks for reminding me of that one
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• 728[05:58:12] <pingfloyd> I pretty much have to go digging though /etc/X11/Xsession.d/* and /etc/X11/xinit/* and ~/.config/* when I want to change my X environment.
• 729[05:58:25] <jim> meshugga, well you would install it to test whether the package install works right (after all it's you who are authoring it)
• 730[05:58:41] <jim> meshugga, and you should also test the removal
• 731[05:59:23] <pingfloyd> meshugga: what I do, is symlink from the build/source dir to ~/bin (which is in my PATH)
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• 733[05:59:43] <pingfloyd> meshugga: (symlink the executables within the build/source dir I'm working with)
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• 735[06:00:05] <meshugga> pingfloyd: but manually, there is no deb magic for it?
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• 737[06:00:17] <pingfloyd> meshugga: this is usually how I do it with stuff I regularly git pull and compile
• 738[06:00:29] <pingfloyd> meshugga: I don't know
• 739[06:00:50] <pingfloyd> meshugga: I wouldn't think so, seems like the deb magic more applies to building packages themself
• 740[06:01:00] <meshugga> that's sad
• 741[06:01:03] <meshugga> but thanks for confirming
• 742[06:01:26] <pingfloyd> there's non-deb stuff for that though
• 743[06:01:30] <pingfloyd> like gnu stow
• 744[06:01:38] <meshugga> it's probably a kernel problem anyway
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• 746[06:01:43] <meshugga> pingfloyd: -v
• 747[06:01:44] <pingfloyd> and I think there's a few other alternatives to stow as well
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• 751[06:03:02] <pingfloyd> sounds like basically you're looking for a "symlink manager" of some sort
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• 757[06:05:44] <meshugga> pingfloyd: i'm looking for "make symlinkmagic", truth be told ;)
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• 761[06:06:23] <meshugga> i thought because this is a common problem there's already an obvious solution that comes with the deb build process
• 762[06:06:41] <meshugga> python has this for modules, you can install them symlinked and then edit them live
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• 764[06:07:01] <meshugga> which is a bit easier python being interpreted and all
• 765[06:07:05] <meshugga> but the principle would be the same
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• 768[06:08:29] <jim> that's all good for when you -just- want to make sure the executables work right
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• 770[06:08:51] <meshugga> jim: ?
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• 772[06:09:49] <jim> I'm just sorta repeating the earlier point, that the executables are not the only things you should test
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• 774[06:11:15] <meshugga> jim: yes, of course, this applies to sos to
• 775[06:11:20] <meshugga> *too
• 776[06:11:31] <meshugga> that's why i was asking
• 777[06:11:34] <meshugga> binaries are easy
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• 779[06:11:46] <meshugga> this = my question
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• 782[06:12:00] <meshugga> for binaries, substituting the path is actually doable
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• 786[06:12:41] <jim> yeah, that's all true
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• 788[06:13:13] <meshugga> lxc is costing me at least 100 hairs
• 789[06:13:22] <meshugga> insane that thing
• 790[06:13:30] <meshugga> does everything, but nothing reliably
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• 792[06:13:42] <jim> it's possible that for certain packages there's more testing to do
• 793[06:14:03] <meshugga> jim: if i get the faintest idea what's wrong, i'll just contribute this to the nearest maintainer
• 794[06:14:10] <meshugga> i'm not above letting others do the grunt work
• 795[06:14:13] <meshugga> ;)
• 796[06:14:40] <meshugga> but i need to figure out what's going on as this is one of those "only on some machines" problems from what i've gathered
• 797[06:14:51] <meshugga> the bug report is quite old too
• 798[06:15:06] <jmcnaught> meshugga: is this a package you're creating, or a Debian package that you're trying to fix?
• 799[06:15:15] <meshugga> jmcnaught: it's lxc
• 800[06:15:18] <meshugga> lxc-attach to be specific
• 801[06:15:22] <jim> very difficult to debug those
• 802[06:15:31] <meshugga> replaced-url
• 803[06:15:39] <jmcnaught> meshugga: the lxc package?
• 804[06:15:55] <meshugga> probably liblxc
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• 810[06:16:54] <meshugga> replaced-url
• 811[06:17:01] <meshugga> this is the ticket
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• 813[06:17:21] <meshugga> last activity in april
• 814[06:17:26] <meshugga> *sigh*
• 815[06:18:02] <meshugga> but nobody's using lxc unprivileged guests on jessie, and probably even less try to use lxc-attach with su
• 816[06:18:17] <jmcnaught> meshugga: that's reported against 2.0.0~rc15. jessie has 1.0.6
• 817[06:18:39] <jmcnaught> yeah i've never tried to use lxc-attach
• 818[06:18:40] <meshugga> jmcnaught: yes, you need to use backports to get any sort of sane setup
• 819[06:18:51] <meshugga> there's no unprivileged guests with 1.0
• 820[06:18:59] <meshugga> not working ones anyway
• 821[06:19:26] <meshugga> i just wanted to write a good puppet module
• 822[06:19:49] <meshugga> but there's soooo many undocumented bugs and features and edge cases
• 823[06:19:52] <meshugga> it's insane
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• 825[06:20:49] <jmcnaught> meshugga: oh, unprivileged containers work with the package in backports?
• 826[06:21:32] <jmcnaught> meshugga: also is the symlink stuff you were talking about earlier related to this lxc problem?
• 827[06:21:40] <spygrid> maybe su needs recompiled
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• 829[06:22:16] <spygrid> opensuse had a seperate su for X (sux)
• 830[06:22:31] <jmcnaught> meshugga: sounds like you might be looking for update-alternatives
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• 834[06:23:17] <meshugga> jmcnaught: there's a few gotchas
• 835[06:23:19] <meshugga> but yes, they work
• 836[06:23:44] <meshugga> jmcnaught: and yes, i was asking how i could re-roll and test lxc quickly
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• 840[06:24:24] <meshugga> and i was looking for something that's already done
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• 843[06:24:45] <meshugga> i can just symlink whatever changed after make
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• 846[06:25:13] <meshugga> just thought maybe i'm missing some go-to tool
• 847[06:25:17] <jmcnaught> meshugga: if you're looking to contribute any fixes you find back to Debian you could ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net
• 848[06:25:32] <meshugga> jmcnaught: i'm actually in contact with the lxc maintainer for debian
• 849[06:25:34] <meshugga> thanks
• 850[06:25:49] <meshugga> i just don't want to bug him with trivialities all the time :)
• 851[06:25:51] <themill> ccache is the usual way of speeding up the build process
• 852[06:26:34] <Pendrag0n> So I know that with VIM there is a way to place a ".lvimrc" (preceding "L" for local) file in a directory, to have directory specific settings. Is there a way to do a similar thing for bashrc files? Maybe a ".lbashrc" I want to override my PS1 variable so that when I am in the dev/prod/live/demo/qa directories, the font can be color coded to match each sites skin, as a visual queue to what platform I'm in (as a measure to hel
• 853[06:27:27] <jmcnaught> Pendrag0n: you were truncated at 'a measure to hel'
• 854[06:27:54] <pingfloyd> I hate irc clients that do that
• 855[06:28:11] <Pendrag0n> (as a measure to help ensure I don't do something on LIVE I inded to do to Dev, or QA).
• 856[06:28:13] <themill> ,i direnv
• 857[06:28:14] <judd> Package direnv (utils, optional) in jessie/amd64: Utility to set directory specific environment variables. Version: 2.4.0-2; Size: 566.8k; Installed: 2620k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 859[06:28:37] <Pendrag0n> Thanks themill
• 860[06:28:38] <themill> Pendrag0n: ^^ there's nothing native to bash but direnv does that for you
• 861[06:28:59] <Pendrag0n> sounds perfect
• 862[06:29:35] <Pendrag0n> I also utilize colorful tabs plugin, and keep the site skin, terminal fonts, and tabs all matching for each unique platform.
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• 864[06:30:25] <tom99> Pendrag0n: I will now install that plugin merely on the basis that you said you like it
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• 867[06:31:06] <Pendrag0n> lmao, just sharing tips
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• 871[06:32:01] <Pendrag0n> themill, I'll be reading all of this tonight, but just out of curriousity, do you know off hand if the settings applied from a .envrc file are recursively applied to child folders?
• 872[06:32:08] <jim> tom99, it could be a good idea to look into it further
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• 876[06:32:56] <themill> Pendrag0n: yes it is
• 877[06:33:08] <Pendrag0n> thanks themill, I'm all set.
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• 880[06:33:35] <themill> you can only set environment variables in there, not aliases or bash functions, unfortunately, but it's enough for most things
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• 882[06:35:00] <Pendrag0n> that's enough
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• 884[06:35:18] <Pendrag0n> I just want to set a specific $PS1
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• 902[06:47:39] <danni> hi, does anyone know which font wmsystemtray needs?
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• 904[06:47:56] <meshugga> replaced-url
• 905[06:48:00] <danni> the package itself does not list it as a dependency
• 906[06:48:11] <meshugga> any idea why /dev/tty behaves like that?
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• 911[06:51:30] <themill> meshugga: -c does not allocate a tty (check su(1) which talks specifically about that)
• 912[06:52:06] <meshugga> themill: thanks, that is huge help
• 913[06:53:00] <meshugga> themill: so how does software that needs to output stuff write to tty?
• 914[06:53:10] <meshugga> just stdout?
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• 920[06:56:13] <tom99> that's how I use gdb to debug programs, I run the program in one terminal window and redirect the program output to another
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• 4111[10:53:54] <spygrid> Anyone know of an ultra-smooth scrolling terminal?
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• 4152[11:17:00] <wowzersz> hi
• 4153[11:17:01] <wowzersz> hi
• 4154[11:17:02] <wowzersz> hi
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• 4181[11:27:14] <hanshenrik> is cgroups limits per member, or shared across all members? eg, if a cgroups has a memory limit of 200 MB, is it 200 MB per individual member, or 200 mb shared across all members?
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• 4184[11:28:19] <jasabella> hello
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• 4187[11:28:48] <jasabella> i'm running vbox as distributed by debian testing and i'm having trouble getting a network interface going
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• 4191[11:29:24] <jasabella> i have eth0 set up as 10.0.0.0/24 and it functions ok
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• 4194[11:30:04] <jasabella> but eth1 is setup to bridge /dev/wlp3s0 and dhcp fails to get an ip address
• 4195[11:30:49] <jasabella> i've tried setting a static address and that doesnt work either
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• 4199[11:33:43] <AlwaysHigh> does debian support any hd mirroring without raid controller?
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• 4202[11:33:58] <jasabella> my config replaced-url
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• 4206[11:36:30] <hanshenrik> jasabella, i did the same not long ago, but i used virtualbox.com's newest version distribution, haven't had any issues with VirtualBox 5.1.4; using virtual host-only network vboxnet too;
• 4207[11:36:56] <hanshenrik> err, virtualbox.org *
• 4208[11:37:06] <hanshenrik> on debian jessie
• 4209[11:37:08] <hanshenrik> x64
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• 4211[11:38:19] <hanshenrik> only complaint is that the virtualbox VMs are noticably slower than the VMWare VMs :/
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• 4215[11:40:20] <ransur0t> hanshenrik: have you tried kvm?
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• 4220[11:41:52] <oo_miguel> can I tell rsnaphot for some backups to be complete (not incermental)? Like having incrmental daily and weekly backups but foll monthly ones?
• 4221[11:41:55] <hanshenrik> ransur0t, well, virtualbox is configured to use "kvm paravirtualization interface" , does that count?
• 4222[11:42:03] <oo_miguel> s/foll/full
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• 4227[11:43:43] <jasabella> hanshenrik... yeah i'm using the debian testing copy, it's 5.1.4
• 4228[11:43:57] <hanshenrik> daw, kk
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• 4231[11:44:25] <ransur0t> not sure ...
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• 4252[11:58:39] <Andy80> hi, very generic apt security question: isn't unsafe (against DNS poisoning) to serve apt packages from http only? Is the use of the GPG key sign enough for security? And what if the GPG key itself has been downloaded from an http server? Thanks
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• 4262[12:04:14] <oo_miguel> Andy80: as long as you trust the SPG key, the sign is sufficient in general.
• 4263[12:04:20] <missmbob> Andy80: there are https mirrors if you're the paranoid type. mirrors.kernel.org being the biggest one
• 4264[12:04:20] <oo_miguel> s/SPG/GPG
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• 4268[12:05:01] <oo_miguel> Andy80: If you do not have the key / are not part of a web o trust. you could obtain the key from different locations and check if it matches
• 4269[12:06:16] <Andy80> oo_miguel: I forgot to mention "in case of third party packages". I trust the vendor itself, but they are distributing the GPG key through http instead of https, that's my point :/
• 4270[12:06:47] <missmbob> oh. third party is always an at your own risk type of thing.
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• 4272[12:07:23] <oo_miguel> Andy80: I agree that it would be insecure to download just the GPG key and the signed package from one single http site
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• 4278[12:08:58] <oo_miguel> Andy80: That is why keys itself can be signed. You can verify if a particular key has been signed by another key you already trust
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• 4280[12:10:26] <Andy80> oo_miguel: missmbob thanks for your help! I will contact this particular vendor and tell them to distribute the keys in a different way
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• 4288[12:17:11] <techitch> so if i'm running debian wheezy, it seems i have to turn on the expirimental repo to get glibc >=2.14, is there a major risk of my stuff breaking if i do this?
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• 4292[12:19:58] <missmbob> techitch: adding experimental to it is suicide. you're mixing something worse than sid into oldstable. dont do that
• 4293[12:20:09] <missmbob> !dontbreakdebian
• 4294[12:20:10] <dpkg> methinks dont break debian is replaced-url
• 4295[12:20:54] <missmbob> techitch: upgrade to jessie, current stable. then you'll have it
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• 4298[12:23:55] <missmbob> !tell techitch -about wheezy->jessie
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• 4430[13:49:59] <techitch> hi missmbob - yeah i'm using openmediavault so it is wheezy for me unfortunately (unless i move to beta)
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• 4446[13:57:44] <imazighn> Am in the debian installer right now, does resizing a partion looses its data?
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• 4448[13:58:02] <imazighn> partition*
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• 4451[13:58:32] <petn-randall> imazighn: It shouldn't, but you should have backups anyway.
• 4452[13:58:41] <imazighn> I dnt have
• 4453[13:58:55] <imazighn> Anyone else?
• 4454[13:59:16] <petn-randall> Anyone else?
• 4455[13:59:45] <imazighn> This is a matter of life and death people common
• 4456[13:59:45] <djz88> it depends if u shrink it or extend it
• 4457[13:59:52] <imazighn> Extend it
• 4458[14:00:08] <petn-randall> imazighn: Then do backups, and then do the resizing.
• 4459[14:00:18] <imazighn> Shrinking will certainly drop data since its full
• 4460[14:00:30] <imazighn> I cant too much work
• 4461[14:00:44] <petn-randall> imazighn: Then apparently its not a live or death situation.
• 4462[14:00:45] <imazighn> And thid is the only pc available
• 4463[14:01:04] <djz88> imazighn: if it is only one partition on the disk and u didn t remove re-added other partitions it should be ok
• 4464[14:01:14] <petn-randall> imazighn: If you're too lazy to backup, then the data isn't important. Go ahead then.
• 4465[14:01:55] <imazighn> I have 2 parts djz i want to shrink the first to expand the second
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• 4467[14:02:18] <babilen> imazighn: do *not* create a new filesystem on it and you might want to use gparted (they have a live CD also) and create backups beforehand
• 4468[14:02:27] <babilen> In particular if this is a "life and death" situation
• 4469[14:02:37] <djz88> imazighn: what fs is on them?
• 4470[14:02:45] <imazighn> Ext4
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• 4472[14:03:17] <imazighn> U want me to loose years of searchong and game dev petn u cunt lol
• 4473[14:03:34] <petn-randall> *plonk*
• 4474[14:03:35] <imazighn> Will the data be erased or not
• 4475[14:03:37] <djz88> imazighn: AFAIK I wouldn t recommend messing with the start of the fs
• 4476[14:04:04] <imazighn> Oke how much does a standqrd debian system needs?
• 4477[14:04:17] <djz88> imazighn: desktop?
• 4478[14:04:26] <imazighn> With medium apps and libs installed
• 4479[14:04:29] <imazighn> Yea
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• 4481[14:04:45] <imazighn> Is 30gb good?
• 4482[14:04:50] <djz88> imazighn: should be
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• 4485[14:05:02] <imazighn> Oke thanks
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• 4488[14:05:26] * imazighn throws a chair at s random user and leaves
• 4489[14:05:29] <djz88> imazighn: I have 37G but 22g Free after 2 years
• 4490[14:05:53] <imazighn> you have any multimed apps installed?
• 4491[14:06:15] <petn-randall> imazighn: Don't let the door hit you on your way out.
• 4492[14:06:24] <petn-randall> !next
• 4493[14:06:25] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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• 4495[14:06:45] <djz88> imazighn: yes a lot
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• 4498[14:07:08] <imazighn> Doors doesnt actually moves without external forces in a physical world
• 4499[14:07:29] <imazighn> That typically applies in my game engine
• 4500[14:07:37] <imazighn> Relkt lol
• 4501[14:07:50] <imazighn> !loser
• 4502[14:07:50] <dpkg> hmm... loser is John *
• 4503[14:07:54] <imazighn> XD
• 4504[14:07:55] <Penix> is it school holidays somewhere in the world?
• 4505[14:08:10] <petn-randall> Penix: Or Kali put a new release out. Not sure yet which.
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• 4507[14:09:00] <petn-randall> Ah, it's the Kali 2016.2 release ...
• 4508[14:09:15] <kimN> hi guys. need help. i have a hybrid intel/nvidia laptop but I only want to use the nvidia card. the problem is I can't install nvidia driver because my system doesn't detect the nvidia gpu.
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• 4510[14:09:43] <petn-randall> kimN: Is it maybe disabled in the BIOS?
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• 4512[14:10:33] <babilen> optimus?
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• 4520[14:15:01] <babilen> dpkg: optimus
• 4521[14:15:01] <dpkg> The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. replaced-url
• 4522[14:16:02] <babilen> There are also newer drivers in jessie-backports if required
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• 4526[14:19:12] <imazighn> Is thete a way to return a step in the debian installer
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• 4529[14:19:25] <imazighn> Cause i fucking missed something
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• 4537[14:23:46] <maziar> when i want to send mail from cli i get this error, why ? replaced-url
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• 4541[14:27:23] <lena> Try -t
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• 4560[14:39:23] <__raven_> jmcnaught: no i am just raven here :)
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• 4563[14:40:40] <__raven_> jmcnaught: output is not very much. first grep for firmwaare = nothing, second for net gives me "02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek .. RTL8111/8268/8411 PCIE GBIT..."
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• 4579[14:49:50] <xrogaan> err, how do I manage gnome-keyring?
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• 4581[14:50:04] <xrogaan> I installed lxde and I have no gui for that thing?
• 4582[14:50:08] <Fjorgynn> I don't know
• 4583[14:50:11] <Fjorgynn> what is gnome-keyring?
• 4584[14:50:40] <Fjorgynn> install gnome-keyring ?
• 4585[14:50:59] <Fjorgynn> p gnome-keyring - GNOME keyring services (daemon and tools)
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• 4587[14:51:27] <xrogaan> it's installed by default
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• 4589[14:51:40] <xrogaan> it's there to store your password for the different things on the desktop
• 4590[14:51:49] <xrogaan> but I have no idea how to manage that thing
• 4591[14:52:16] <xrogaan> it create files in ~/.local/share/keyrings
• 4592[14:52:16] <Fjorgynn> ok. I am only using keepass for storing my password
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• 4603[15:01:21] <pila> hello i have a hetzner.de root server with nvme software raid, but i want to use it with 2 separate nvme 'disks', how can i remove software raid and have 2 separate "disks"?
• 4604[15:01:26] <xrogaan> it is so useless
• 4605[15:01:46] <xrogaan> Why is it installed by default?
• 4606[15:02:00] <pila> i don't know and i hate it ...
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• 4608[15:02:19] <pila> i even would pay some bucks to get this shit removed :| can somebody help me please?
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• 4610[15:03:18] <xrogaan> pila, sorry, wasn't about you. I'm just ranting on gnome keyring
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• 4613[15:03:28] <lena> Get new hosting provider, pila
• 4614[15:04:01] <pila> yeah...
• 4615[15:04:29] <pila> is there no easy way to remove software raid? everything i found simply doesnt work :|
• 4616[15:04:39] <lena> Which os?
• 4617[15:04:47] <pila> debian
• 4618[15:04:50] <pila> latest
• 4619[15:04:56] <lena> Mmh
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• 4622[15:05:46] <lena> You tried mdadm?
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• 4625[15:06:56] <pila> yeah i found some guides for software raid removal but the nvme setup at hetzner is a bit different and i was not able to complete these guides
• 4626[15:07:18] <lena> Why?
• 4627[15:07:56] <xrogaan> alright, seahorse is what is needed apparently. Be warned to not install seahorse-adventures
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• 4630[15:09:13] <pila> lena: after i removed the raid (i thought so) i get the following info: from cat /proc/mdstat: Personalities : [raid1] unused devices: <none>
• 4631[15:10:02] <lena> do you have any partition manager program?
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• 4633[15:10:39] <pila> lena yeah fdisk
• 4634[15:11:10] <pila> fdisk -l shows only nvme1n* but nvme0n is not mentioned there
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• 4636[15:11:35] <lena> mdadm --remove <destination>
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• 4638[15:11:35] <xrogaan> apparently, seahorse is so modern that my old laptop can't manage its interface
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• 4641[15:11:54] <lena> Do this in rescue mode
• 4642[15:12:06] <pila> and what to enter for destination?
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• 4644[15:12:48] <lena> Hetzner shows /dev/md0
• 4645[15:12:58] <lena> Or /dev/md1
• 4646[15:13:03] <lena> Or /dev/md2
• 4647[15:13:11] <pila> yeah it has all three on a default config
• 4648[15:13:25] <pila> and this is what bugged me, all guides only had 2 entries
• 4649[15:13:47] <lena> Then: mdadm --stop <dest.>
• 4650[15:14:17] <lena> After that you should be able to Format the hdds
• 4651[15:14:20] <lena> mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda
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• 4653[15:14:35] <lena> And then do fdisk -l
• 4654[15:15:11] <pila> but its not sda or? its /dev/nvme0 and 1 or /dev/nvme0n1p1 ? or what ?
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• 4656[15:15:21] <pila> nvme0 nvme0n1p1 nvme0n1p3 nvme1n1 nvme1n1p2 nvme0n1 nvme0n1p2 nvme1 nvme1n1p1 nvme1n1p3
• 4657[15:15:37] <no_gravity> Time-Warp: Heya! We talked about WiFi yesterday. Remember?
• 4658[15:15:38] <lena> Yes
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• 4660[15:15:55] <lena> But That's probably the raid
• 4661[15:16:10] <lena> I don't know the exact raid config of hetzner
• 4662[15:16:15] <pila> oh okay, so i do /dev/sda now or /dev/nvme0?
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• 4666[15:17:01] <pila> mkfs.ext3: Device size reported to be zero. Invalid partition specified, or partition table wasn't reread after running fdisk, due to a modified partition being busy and in use. You may need to reboot to re-read your partition table.
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• 4668[15:17:42] <lena> pila: are you doing it in rescue mode?
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• 4670[15:17:50] <pila> yes
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• 4672[15:17:56] <pila> i booted into rescue system
• 4673[15:18:20] <pila> cat /proc/mdstat Personalities : [raid1] unused devices: <none>
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• 4675[15:18:32] <lena> Weird
• 4676[15:18:42] <pila> yep...
• 4677[15:18:51] <Fjorgynn> yep
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• 4680[15:19:51] <pila> i'll quickly reinstall the system and try again
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• 4682[15:20:02] <wbx> hi.
• 4683[15:20:15] <lena> Do that
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• 4685[15:20:17] <Fjorgynn> hi
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• 4687[15:20:56] <wbx> is it really true that I can not sell a customized Ubuntu and should better go back to Debian?
• 4688[15:21:23] <Fjorgynn> can not sell?
• 4689[15:21:34] <Fjorgynn> You should not sell GNU/Linux at all
• 4690[15:21:45] <babilen> Why not?
• 4691[15:21:54] <wbx> i mean if my company is selling a appliance with GNU/Linux as base operating system.
• 4692[15:22:07] <17SAA4JYG> that is allowed
• 4693[15:22:10] <17SAA4JYG> afaik
• 4694[15:22:12] <wbx> Fjorgynn: why I shouldn't ? it is not about money, but about freedom.
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• 4696[15:22:29] <Fjorgynn> anyway. Read Ubuntu Canonical terms of service
• 4697[15:22:48] <babilen> (and ask in #ubuntu about that)
• 4698[15:22:53] <wbx> i have read it right now.
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• 4700[15:23:09] <wbx> okay then. is debian 8 supported until 2020, with LTS?
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• 4702[15:23:57] <babilen> You can find information about that on replaced-url
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• 4704[15:24:02] <lena> Freedom?
• 4705[15:24:08] <babilen> (and there's #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net)
• 4706[15:24:20] <lena> Paying money for something has Nothing to do with freedom
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• 4709[15:25:18] <wbx> lena: so every software must be without getting any payment in your world?
• 4710[15:25:34] <lena> Exactly
• 4711[15:25:51] <wbx> i always thought free software is about getting the source and the freedom to change it.
• 4712[15:26:02] <lena> Yeah
• 4713[15:26:14] <lena> But you can't seel the code from other people
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• 4715[15:26:29] <wbx> if I use free software and add some commercial software on top, I can charge for support and license for the system.
• 4716[15:26:30] <lena> No matter how much you modified it
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• 4719[15:26:37] <lena> No
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• 4721[15:26:40] <lena> You can't
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• 4723[15:26:54] <lena> It's still under the GNU license
• 4724[15:26:58] <wbx> lena: i really think that is bullshit. Have you read the GPL?
• 4725[15:27:09] <zykotick9> wbx: s/commercial/proprietary/ <- free software can be commercial...
• 4726[15:27:14] <lena> It isnt
• 4727[15:27:22] <babilen> Absolutely
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• 4729[15:27:52] <babilen> You also have to differentiate between "open" and "free"
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• 4732[15:28:21] <lena> You need to write a new os
• 4733[15:28:26] <lena> With your own kernel
• 4734[15:28:32] <wbx> so you really want to say, I can't install debian with java, tomcat and add a java app, and sell this complete system to a customer and get pai for it, without infringement of a copyright?
• 4735[15:28:45] <babilen> Either way, you can charge money for services rendered. It's also common to pay for certain linux distributions or, rather, a box with CDs and handbooks and maybe support on top
• 4736[15:28:49] <_sh00p> i'm quite sure you can sell a product, that uses GNU/Linux as it's OS
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• 4738[15:28:57] <babilen> You can
• 4739[15:29:19] <wbx> _sh00p: at least you are one wisdom chatter ;)
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• 4741[15:29:39] <lena> Yes you can sell your service
• 4742[15:29:39] <wbx> it is getting really funny :)
• 4743[15:29:48] <lena> But not the os
• 4744[15:29:49] * zykotick9 notes, someware you can't sell - isn't free. MAME changed this a while ago, and next debian release will be in main, vs. non-free
• 4745[15:30:03] <_sh00p> you might have to share the source of your commercial software, depending on what libs it uses and what licenses these libs come under
• 4746[15:30:04] <babilen> You will have to make source code available if you make changes to software which license requires that when you distribute it, you have to include licenses and whatnot .. but nothing stops you from using open source software for commercial projects
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• 4748[15:30:25] <wbx> lena: I can sell my support, I can sell my software and I can sell Debian with it. as long as I give my customer all code and any customization to the code used in Debian.
• 4749[15:30:29] <babilen> But then, this is a complex question that really depends on the licenses in question
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• 4751[15:30:39] <babilen> wbx: indeed
• 4752[15:31:14] <lena> It is much easier to sell services
• 4753[15:31:15] <wbx> _sh00p: not if all libs are licensed under LGPL, Boost or BSD.
• 4754[15:31:34] <wbx> lena: that's not my question and problem.
• 4755[15:31:34] <_sh00p> indeed wbx, like I said, depending on what licenses the libs use
• 4756[15:31:48] <wbx> I just wnt to convince my company to switch from ubuntu to debian.
• 4757[15:32:00] <_sh00p> LGPL and BSD are convenient like that, maybe apache license also
• 4758[15:32:04] <lena> Then do that
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• 4760[15:32:20] <wbx> yeah. just want to know if i get good LTS support.
• 4761[15:32:27] <petn-randall> wbx: One good selling argument is that only 10% of Ubuntu get actual commercial security support.
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• 4763[15:33:00] <wbx> petn-randall: what that means? they do less security updates?
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• 4765[15:33:27] <wbx> don't get me wrong, I am a debian user since debian potato. i use it on my own systems.
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• 4767[15:33:54] <wbx> just want to get rid of ubuntu in my daily work environment.
• 4768[15:33:54] <lena> Me too <2
• 4769[15:34:01] <lena> <3
• 4770[15:34:07] <lena> I lobe debian
• 4771[15:34:11] <_sh00p> where I work we use debian, but we can maintain our systems ourselves, if one is looking for commercial support one might wanna consider redhat
• 4772[15:34:12] <lena> *love
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• 4775[15:34:44] <wbx> we don't require commercial support, just security updates to make customers happy.
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• 4777[15:35:46] <jelly> wbx: it means only the packages from ubuntu "main" get any promise of support, the stuff in universe and multiverse, you're basically on your own
• 4778[15:35:54] <petn-randall> wbx: Only main and universe get proper security support, and restricted/multiverse, which makes 90% of the packages, only get community support. And that hasn't always been great.
• 4779[15:36:28] <jelly> petn-randall: not even universe afaiui, and "community support" is a laugh
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• 4782[15:37:33] <petn-randall> jelly: Had first hand experience with it and I fully agree.
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• 4792[15:44:24] <petn-randall> !tell apb1963_ about away
• 4793[15:45:18] <babilen> nickchanges are fine
• 4794[15:46:42] <petn-randall> Ah, ok then.
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• 4806[16:01:34] <xrogaan> are they?
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• 4812[16:03:19] <doshEater> i.... need help upgrading my box from jessie to sid using apt-transport-tor
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• 4814[16:04:00] <doshEater> i'm getting "cannot complete socks5 connection to 0.0.0.0:0" errors after downloading the signatures
• 4815[16:04:10] <doshEater> it seems like I can download the signatures but not the package lists
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• 4817[16:04:34] <petn-randall> !bat
• 4818[16:04:35] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 4819[16:05:23] <doshEater> ok
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• 4824[16:07:24] <han-solo> !amd64
• 4825[16:07:24] <dpkg> amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686-pae or -amd64 kernel. See also <why amd64> and <why not amd64>.
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• 4829[16:08:13] <doshEater> why mention that han-solo ?
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• 4831[16:08:19] <doshEater> this is in a schroot btw
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• 4834[16:08:58] <han-solo> oh! sorry, i was just checking
• 4835[16:09:07] <AlexPortable> How can I run python3 pip on debian?
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• 4837[16:09:16] <han-solo> no anything related to the current conversation
• 4838[16:09:25] <han-solo> doshEater: sorry
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• 4841[16:10:28] <themill> AlexPortable: install the python3-pip package
• 4842[16:10:46] <AlexPortable> themill: i did
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• 4844[16:11:07] <AlexPortable> how to run it?
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• 4846[16:11:14] <babilen> AlexPortable: What did you try?
• 4847[16:11:25] <han-solo> pip3 install <package>?
• 4848[16:11:26] <roadrunneratwast> hey all i want to make a VM of Debian 3.2.35-2 x86_64. where do i get an ISO?
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• 4850[16:11:53] <petn-randall> ,kernels
• 4851[16:11:54] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.2-1+s1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-2)
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• 4853[16:12:41] <AlexPortable> han-solo: babilen pip3: command not found
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• 4855[16:12:50] <petn-randall> roadrunneratwast: There's no current release with that kernel version. Why do you need an outdated kernel?
• 4856[16:12:56] <AlexPortable> python3 -m pip install
• 4857[16:12:56] <AlexPortable> /usr/bin/python3: No module named pip.__main__; 'pip' is a package and cannot be directly executed
• 4858[16:13:26] <babilen> AlexPortable: Try "/usr/bin/pip3 --version", "whereis pip3" and ....
• 4859[16:13:29] <babilen> nvm
• 4860[16:13:43] <AlexPortable> file or folder doesnt exists
• 4861[16:13:45] <babilen> AlexPortable: Did you try "pip3 --help" ?
• 4862[16:13:52] <AlexPortable> whereis pip3
• 4863[16:13:52] <AlexPortable> pip3:
• 4864[16:14:07] <AlexPortable> $ pip3 --help
• 4865[16:14:08] <AlexPortable> pip3: command not found
• 4866[16:14:18] <babilen> AlexPortable: Okay, could you paste the output of "dpkg -l python3-pip|tail -n1" ?
• 4867[16:14:37] <AlexPortable> ii python3-pip 1.1-3 all alternative Python package installer - Python 3 version of the package
• 4868[16:15:06] <AlexPortable> /usr/bin/pip-3.2/
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• 4870[16:15:13] <babilen> That's wheezy, isn't it?
• 4871[16:15:16] <AlexPortable> 7
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• 4875[16:15:56] <babilen> Ah, yeah .. wheezy didn't ship pip3, but pip-3.2
• 4876[16:16:04] <han-solo> can you do pip3.2 --help?
• 4877[16:16:15] <babilen> It's pip-3.2
• 4878[16:16:22] <AlexPortable> pip3.2: command not found
• 4879[16:16:24] <han-solo> oh!
• 4880[16:16:25] <babilen> ...
• 4881[16:16:28] <AlexPortable> sorry forgot the dash
• 4882[16:16:29] <han-solo> what babilen said
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• 4884[16:16:34] <AlexPortable> yeah help works
• 4885[16:16:40] <babilen> There you go then
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• 4888[16:17:27] <roadrunneratwast> I am trying to build a vm to mirror a server running debian 3.2.25-2. the only version i can find to download is debian 8.5.0 . what do i do?
• 4889[16:17:30] <AlexPortable> replaced-url
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• 4891[16:17:38] <babilen> dpkg: pastebin.com
• 4892[16:17:38] <dpkg> pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like replaced-url
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• 4894[16:18:04] <babilen> AlexPortable: And please mention it next time when you are not running the current stable release. The assumption is that you do if you don't clarify that specifically.
• 4895[16:18:12] <babilen> ta
• 4896[16:18:13] <AlexPortable> i dont know what release im on
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• 4898[16:18:21] <petn-randall> roadrunneratwast: Responding to my questions would help.
• 4899[16:18:32] <roadrunneratwast> oh sorry
• 4900[16:18:35] <roadrunneratwast> i missed them
• 4901[16:18:41] <petn-randall> roadrunneratwast: There's no current release with that kernel version. Why do you need an outdated kernel?
• 4902[16:19:12] <babilen> AlexPortable: "cat /etc/debian_version" typically tells you
• 4903[16:19:15] <AlexPortable> replaced-url
• 4904[16:19:28] <themill> AlexPortable: real commands and full output are better
• 4905[16:19:32] <babilen> AlexPortable: People are very reluctant to look at pastebin.com links
• 4906[16:19:44] <AlexPortable> why?
• 4907[16:19:53] <babilen> See above
• 4908[16:20:05] <AlexPortable> mangles input?
• 4909[16:20:11] <AlexPortable> no ads, no captcha
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• 4911[16:20:27] <AlexPortable> the command: pip-3.2 install -r requirements.txt --user --upgrade
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• 4914[16:21:18] <roadrunneratwast> petn-randall . i don't know if i do. my concern is this: i want to make a debian installation that will mirror the installation on a server i run whcih is debian 3.5. so i just don't want any weird package dependency problems. like i am usually an ubuntu user and ubuntu packages its releases with different versions of python, for example. i am a first time debian user
• 4915[16:21:18] <__raven__> would be possible to bring this machine to network in less than an hour from now on
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• 4917[16:21:36] <themill> AlexPortable: if you want a workable python 3 stack then you'd be better off with the current release of debian
• 4918[16:21:36] <__raven__> it is still completely non functional after a clean net install
• 4919[16:21:46] <han-solo> pastebin works well for curl :)
• 4920[16:22:01] <AlexPortable> themill: not my machine
• 4921[16:22:32] <themill> AlexPortable: umm... yes. whatever.
• 4922[16:22:54] <petn-randall> roadrunneratwast: If you haven't updated the machine at all, since that kernel version there'll be a lot of security holes you've collected since then.
• 4923[16:22:55] <roadrunneratwast> how do i make a debian machine dump out its currently installed versions and then replicate that elsewhere. like is there an a "dpkg -dump current system dependencies to file" and "dpkg install dependencies listed in file"
• 4924[16:23:15] <themill> roadrunneratwast: /msg dpkg aptitude clone
• 4925[16:23:27] <roadrunneratwast> themill thanks
• 4926[16:23:39] <petn-randall> roadrunneratwast: What themill said. You need to copy over any config and other things by hand, though.
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• 4928[16:24:43] <roadrunneratwast> petn-randall, so i am not a very good sysadmin and i am not clear what you mean here. to replicate a system on a local computer's virtual machine, you need the same packages, the same distro, and what other config?
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• 4930[16:25:50] <roadrunneratwast> dpkg aptitude clone
• 4931[16:25:50] <roadrunneratwast> dpkg: error: need an action option
• 4932[16:25:50] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
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• 4935[16:26:12] <petn-randall> roadrunneratwast: If you changed the config files for e.g. apache2, you need to copy those changes over by hand.
• 4936[16:26:31] <roadrunneratwast> wow. amazing. i will try that
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• 4938[16:28:05] <roadrunneratwast> petn-randall. cool. thanks. i am hoping that most of those configurations can be defined locally.
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• 4949[16:32:21] <drzacek> Hi. I installed debian on my dell laptop recently, it looks like it didn't installed drivers for my wifi. It asked for some firmware file during install, but no idea where should I get it. Can I somehow provide that firmware now, and where do I find which file/package do I need?
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• 4952[16:33:41] <jelly> drzacek: yes, you can. Inspect the outputs of "lspci -nn" and "lsusb" and find your wireless device
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• 4954[16:34:01] <jelly> or
• 4955[16:34:06] <jelly> !what's my wireless
• 4956[16:34:06] <dpkg> Install the hwinfo package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or replaced-url
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• 4958[16:34:33] <jelly> drzacek: also, enable non-free source
• 4959[16:34:39] <jelly> !non-free sources
• 4960[16:34:39] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
• 4961[16:34:57] <drzacek> jelly, I set my sources to 'testing main contrib non-free'
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• 4963[16:35:09] <drzacek> It looks like it is broadcom BCM4313
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• 4965[16:35:21] <jelly> !BCM4313
• 4966[16:35:21] <dpkg> The Broadcom BCM4313 (PCI ID 14e4:4727) - incorrectly identified as BCM4727 by Broadcom's proprietary driver - is an 802.11n PCIe wireless LAN chipset. Not supported by the <b43> driver at this time. For device support, ask about me about <brcmsmac>, <wl>. Not to be confused with the <bcm4331>.
• 4967[16:35:46] <jelly> drzacek: it may or may more have a working driver in testing, dunno
• 4968[16:35:56] <jelly> !debian-next
• 4969[16:35:56] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 4970[16:36:13] <jelly> ^^ the right place to ask if you have upgraded to testing
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• 4974[16:37:02] <drzacek> jelly, I also asked there now, but it didn't work before I upgraded
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• 4980[16:40:47] <roadrunneratwast> does anyone have recommendations on desktop environment. i like lightweight stuff like xfce and lxde. gnome and kde are too heavy. how are cinnaomon and mate?
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• 4983[16:41:30] <petn-randall> roadrunneratwast: Pick whatever works for you best. You can install all of them in parallel, and just start the one you like at the login manager.
• 4984[16:41:36] <lena> I3
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• 4986[16:42:30] <roadrunneratwast> petn-randall, which one do you like. are cinnoman or mate lightweight?
• 4987[16:42:34] <roadrunneratwast> are they good?
• 4988[16:42:44] <petn-randall> !tias
• 4989[16:42:45] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
• 4990[16:43:11] <roadrunneratwast> yah. ok
• 4991[16:43:12] <petn-randall> roadrunneratwast: I use Xfce, but there's no best DE. Try them all, and pick the one that suits your needs best.
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• 5000[16:46:14] <roadrunneratwast> on which lightweight distro can you open up a terminal window with a right click? that, to me, is the most important feature in a desktop
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• 5002[16:46:44] <roadrunneratwast> bypass the system menu to get a term window
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• 5005[16:48:14] * zykotick9 uses SUPER+ENTER to open a terminal, in i3
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• 5010[16:49:34] <latenite> Hi folks, why does the kernel probe for a floppy at line 491 replaced-url
• 5011[16:50:02] <latenite> I don't have a floppy and it takes 2 seconds of the boot process.
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• 5014[16:50:38] <roadrunneratwast> zykotick9 thanks
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• 5016[16:51:00] <roadrunneratwast> zykotick9 what is the SUPER key on a windows keyboard?
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• 5020[16:53:27] <roadrunneratwast> maybe it's the key which looks like windows between ALT and CTRL?
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• 5022[16:53:43] <roadrunneratwast> who knew that had a name
• 5023[16:53:55] <han-solo> why don't you try it?
• 5024[16:54:10] <roadrunneratwast> cos i am installing and won
• 5025[16:54:18] <roadrunneratwast> t be able to test for another few hours
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• 5029[16:56:24] <tomreyn> latenite: replaced-url
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• 5031[16:57:56] <latenite> tomreyn, just blacklisting floppy is the solution?
• 5032[16:58:14] <latenite> I tough this probing is before the change to PID 1
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• 5034[16:58:21] <tomreyn> latenite: it's a wrokaround for an apparent kernel bug.
• 5035[16:58:30] <latenite> ...will I have to rebuild initramfs as well?
• 5036[16:58:48] <latenite> tomreyn, do you have a link to this bug?
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• 5040[17:00:52] <roadrunneratwast> i think dpkg is ignoring me. please apologize on my behalf to him. when i typed "dpkg aptitude <parameters", i wasn't meaning to ping him personally at 10:28
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• 5042[17:01:58] <tomreyn> latenite: i don't, i'm not sure it was reported, yet.
• 5043[17:02:32] <latenite> what is that bug about? I mean what is buggy?
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• 5045[17:03:46] <tomreyn> latenite: well the kernel shouldn't be looking for a fd controller for such a long time
• 5046[17:04:10] <latenite> tomreyn, true :D
• 5047[17:04:13] <tomreyn> maybe check your dmesg, too
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• 5051[17:04:47] <tomreyn> might be related to this replaced-url
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• 5056[17:08:10] <hexadecimal> Hi
• 5057[17:08:12] <tomreyn> roadrunneratwast: don't worry about dpkg's feelings, since it's just a bot
• 5058[17:08:17] <tomreyn> !dpkgbot
• 5059[17:08:18] <dpkg> Please visit replaced-url
• 5060[17:08:30] <AlexPortable> how do I move a folder?
• 5061[17:08:35] <roadrunneratwast> haha. cool. thanks
• 5062[17:08:36] <AlexPortable> mv -R right ?
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• 5066[17:09:56] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: just 'mv'
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• 5069[17:10:25] <AlexPortable> tomreyn: folder is not empty
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• 5071[17:10:48] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: does not matter
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• 5075[17:13:46] <AlexPortable> ok thx
• 5076[17:14:18] <lena> mv -f
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• 5081[17:19:05] <blockcubed> good morning
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• 5088[17:25:20] <roadrunneratwast> woo hoo. installed debian. using xfce and yah there
• 5089[17:25:29] <roadrunneratwast> is a right click shortcut to terminal.
• 5090[17:25:34] <Fjorgynn> xfce <3
• 5091[17:25:35] <roadrunneratwast> what is the keyboard shortcut?
• 5092[17:25:44] <Fjorgynn> alt-f2
• 5093[17:25:47] <Fjorgynn> xfce4-terminal
• 5094[17:25:52] <roadrunneratwast> cool
• 5095[17:26:07] <Fjorgynn> or open keyboard in settings and "shortcuts
• 5096[17:26:40] <roadrunneratwast> ok. thanks
• 5097[17:26:50] <Fjorgynn> and add xfce4-terminal --hide-menubar
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• 5099[17:26:59] <Fjorgynn> and use like super (win) + T
• 5100[17:27:03] <Fjorgynn> that's what I've done
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• 5102[17:28:42] <lollipop> roadrunneratwast: congratulations! xfce is great gui
• 5103[17:29:08] <blockcubed> wooo xfce
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• 5105[17:29:15] <roadrunneratwast> woo hoo there is a terminal icon on the toolbar. and i normally hate toolbars
• 5106[17:29:22] <ap0x> /quit
• 5107[17:29:23] <blockcubed> 1 day running and I love it
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• 5109[17:30:03] <Fjorgynn> ;)
• 5110[17:30:07] <blockcubed> I ended up ousting my second toolbar
• 5111[17:30:22] <Fjorgynn> I usually have one toolbar on top about 24 pt
• 5112[17:30:42] <blockcubed> its nice to have the one click options for stuff but its not really necessary
• 5113[17:30:43] <Fjorgynn> also I tend to use and customize the other menu
• 5114[17:30:54] <Fjorgynn> what it is called now I don't remember
• 5115[17:31:00] <blockcubed> lol
• 5116[17:31:21] <Fjorgynn> but it is in "add to panel" if you installed the full xfce4
• 5117[17:31:27] <blockcubed> you need that pill Bradley Cooper took in Limitless
• 5118[17:31:35] <blockcubed> adn I do too
• 5119[17:33:05] <roadrunneratwast> xargs aptitude --schedule-
• 5120[17:33:06] <roadrunneratwast> only install < package_list; aptitude
• 5121[17:33:06] <roadrunneratwast> install;
• 5122[17:33:17] <blockcubed> woo gimp runs fast on debian
• 5123[17:33:22] <roadrunneratwast> but then i get couldn't find any package that descripiton matched "dict"
• 5124[17:33:52] <Fjorgynn> ^^
• 5125[17:33:54] <roadrunneratwast> do i have to set up a repo ?
• 5126[17:34:02] <roadrunneratwast> like none of my packages are found
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• 5128[17:34:14] <roadrunneratwast> trying to install dependencies now from package_list
• 5129[17:34:19] <jelly> roadrunneratwast: is there a line with just "dict" in the package_list file?
• 5130[17:34:21] <Fjorgynn> roadrunneratwast: su -c "apt-get update"
• 5131[17:34:26] <roadrunneratwast> ok
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• 5135[17:35:57] <roadrunneratwast> still getting the complained "couldn't find any package whose description was <cpp, dc, debconf, etc)"
• 5136[17:36:06] <blockcubed> anyone here watch mr robot
• 5137[17:36:27] <missmbob> blockcubed: of course but that's a bit offtopic :P
• 5138[17:36:30] <missmbob> #debian-offtopic
• 5139[17:36:39] <blockcubed> damn
• 5140[17:36:43] <blockcubed> you guys got this covered
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• 5147[17:38:11] <atralheaven> guys, I've got a new SSD for my OS, what kind of partition table should I use?
• 5148[17:38:12] <roadrunneratwast> oh yeah. i need to set a package reop ...
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• 5178[17:49:46] <afidegnum> hello the command pull-debian-source is not working for me,
• 5179[17:49:59] <afidegnum> even installing it with apt-get i can't locate it,
• 5180[17:50:08] <afidegnum> how can i make it work ?
• 5181[17:50:14] <Fjorgynn> atralheaven: for system drive?
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• 5183[17:50:29] <babilen> afidegnum: Did you install ubuntu-dev-tools ?
• 5184[17:50:41] <afidegnum> no
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• 5187[17:50:46] <afidegnum> should i install it ?
• 5188[17:51:19] <babilen> afidegnum: If you want to use the "pull-debian-source" command then, yes, you should install the package that contains it :)
• 5189[17:51:27] <afidegnum> ok
• 5190[17:51:36] <babilen> dpkg: tell afidegnum -about apt-file
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• 5192[17:52:17] <Fjorgynn> USA?
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• 5198[17:53:16] <jelly> afidegnum: what are you trying to achieve with said command?
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• 5274[18:28:54] <no_gravity> I put together some infos here:
• 5275[18:28:58] <no_gravity> replaced-url
• 5276[18:29:04] <no_gravity> Should I add something else?
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• 5289[18:33:40] <scx> Hello. Can someone with Nvidia GPU >= Kepler (Kepler, Maxwell, Pascal) show me "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"? Thanks in advance.
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• 5293[18:34:29] <mohsen_> Hi what do CD1 CD2.. contain?
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• 5295[18:34:35] <mohsen_> Which one should I download?
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• 5297[18:35:01] <mtn> mohsen_: if you have internet connection, get the netinstall
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• 5300[18:35:26] <mtn> mohsen_: if you have internet while installing, I mean
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• 5303[18:36:31] <hexadecimal> no_gravity: is the wifi signal low?
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• 5305[18:36:44] <no_gravity> hexadecimal: How do I figure it out?
• 5306[18:36:56] <bipul> Does anyone know what does it means replaced-url
• 5307[18:37:23] <mohsen_> mtn: The machine is not connected to the internet, what iso file should I download for installing debian with gnome ?
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• 5309[18:37:27] <hexadecimal> no_gravity: looking at the wifi icon should be enough
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• 5311[18:38:04] <mtn> mohsen_: disk one is all you need to install debian. I think gnome is on the first disk, too
• 5312[18:38:33] <no_gravity> hexadecimal: It's dead at the moment. I can see *no* networks.
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• 5314[18:38:45] <mtn> mohsen_: disk 2 and 3 have extra software
• 5315[18:38:51] <no_gravity> hexadecimal: I wonder how to tell Debian "Reset the whole wifi thing please" :)
• 5316[18:39:06] <mohsen_> mtn: I see, thank you for your fast and straight forward response.
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• 5318[18:39:10] <bipul> Specially Open LV
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• 5323[18:41:12] <hexadecimal> no_gravity: at first you want to know what wifi driver is used sudo lshw -C network
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• 5325[18:41:46] <no_gravity> hexadecimal: I know it. Did you look at the link I posted? The driver is "wl".
• 5326[18:41:52] <hexadecimal> no_gravity: then unload the module sudo modprobe -r yourmoduleversion
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• 5328[18:42:18] <no_gravity> hexadecimal: ok, unloaded.
• 5329[18:42:23] <hexadecimal> no_gravity: and reload it sudo modprobe yourmoduleversion
• 5330[18:42:39] <no_gravity> hexadecimal: ok, loaded again.
• 5331[18:42:48] <no_gravity> hexadecimal: The computer reconnected to the router!
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• 5334[18:43:25] <hexadecimal> no_gravity: I suspect that the Linux wifi driver is using the wrong antenna on your wifi card
• 5335[18:43:41] <no_gravity> hexadecimal: The card has multiple antennas?
• 5336[18:43:50] <hexadecimal> no_gravity: probably 2
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• 5339[18:44:59] <hexadecimal> no_gravity: what is your current linux wifi driver?
• 5340[18:45:04] <no_gravity> hexadecimal: wl
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• 5342[18:45:24] <hexadecimal> ?
• 5343[18:45:35] <no_gravity> hexadecimal: Well, it's called "wl" for all I can tell.
• 5344[18:45:59] <no_gravity> hexadecimal: I did "modprobe -r wl" and "modprobe wl".
• 5345[18:46:13] <no_gravity> hexadecimal: That made the machine reconnect.
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• 5347[18:46:36] <hexadecimal> it's more than that, what is the output of sudo lshw -C network ?
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• 5350[18:47:00] <no_gravity> hexadecimal: Let me try. You can skip the "sudo" by the way. I am root.
• 5351[18:47:16] <hexadecimal> product: yourmoduleversion PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
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• 5354[18:47:45] <no_gravity> hexadecimal: product: BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter
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• 5359[18:49:58] <no_gravity> hexadecimal: "lshw -C network" also says "driver=wl0"
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• 5361[18:50:56] <x86iac> wtf? suri just told me i looked terrible in my hawaiian shirt when i got in the car
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• 5368[18:53:44] <x86iac> no_gravity: try ndiswrapper with wpa_supplicant - i had trouble with a broadcom wireless and that was only apparent solution
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• 5370[18:53:58] <no_gravity> x86iac: How do I do that?
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• 5372[18:54:18] <blockcubed> ...
• 5373[18:54:22] <cyphix> Is it possible under debian to know when a package has been lastly upgraded? Is there somewhere some kind of history of the versions?
• 5374[18:54:26] <x86iac> install them and make a script to use them
• 5375[18:54:52] <no_gravity> x86iac: like this? apt-get install ndiswrapper wpa_supplicant
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• 5377[18:55:04] <afidegnum> jelly: i m trying to recompile the latest version of gcc
• 5378[18:55:08] <blockcubed> so I tried to access my home network and it says that "the specified location is not supported"
• 5379[18:55:14] <afidegnum> in order to install rethinkdb on debian wheezy
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• 5383[18:56:25] <cyphix> nevermind, found it
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• 5391[18:58:18] <hexadecimal> no_gravity: you should take a look at broadcom-sta-dkms
• 5392[18:58:41] <x86iac> no_gravity: yes
• 5393[18:59:13] <x86iac> do you have a floppy with the windows driver on it ? or download it from a site?
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• 5395[18:59:31] <no_gravity> x86iac: Floppy? No.
• 5396[18:59:38] <no_gravity> hexadecimal: How do I do that?
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• 5398[19:00:23] <no_gravity> What do I do after "apt-get install ndiswrapper wpa_supplicant"?
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• 5409[19:03:36] <x86iac> man them
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• 5414[19:04:57] <babilen> no_gravity: You typically don't need ndiswrapper .. which card do you have? what does "lspci -nn|grep -i network" give you?
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• 5416[19:05:08] <babilen> (sometimes you do, but most often you don't)
• 5417[19:05:50] <no_gravity> babilen: I am trying to put all info here: replaced-url
• 5418[19:06:05] <no_gravity> babilen: It's a broadcom wifi thing.
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• 5420[19:06:14] <television> replaced-url
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• 5423[19:07:22] <awal1> Does chromium , jessie version, displays a popup window asking for create a password for a "keys container"?
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• 5425[19:08:18] <babilen> awal1: What's a "keys container" ?
• 5426[19:08:28] <babilen> It might ask for access to your keyring
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• 5428[19:09:52] <no_gravity> x86iac: I read the man pages now, but I did not understand a word.
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• 5430[19:10:24] <babilen> no_gravity: Where did you install broadcom-sta-wl from?
• 5431[19:10:36] <babilen> no_gravity: You don't need ndiswrapper for that card
• 5432[19:10:49] <babilen> (and I'd strongly recommend to opt for Intel cards in the future when buying hardware)
• 5433[19:11:07] <no_gravity> babilen: It's not a card, it's part of my laptop.
• 5434[19:11:21] <BenderRodriguez> I'm installing Debian for the first time in 10 years on a laptop
• 5435[19:11:23] <babilen> chipset then ..
• 5436[19:11:24] <awal1> babilen, I dont have chromium in my jessie system, but I have it in the sid one (so, not really a jessie question). But since version 53, chromium displays a popup window asking for create a window for "keys container". I have 'save passwords feature disabled in settings, so I cancel that popup message, but I get it (the message) every time I launch chromium. I have no idea what chromium want/means with that keys container
• 5437[19:11:26] <BenderRodriguez> I better be blown away or else
• 5438[19:11:59] <babilen> awal1: I'd guess it is a reference to the "keyring" (e.g. gnome keyring), but I am not sure
• 5439[19:12:26] <babilen> no_gravity: Will you not tell me where you installed it from?
• 5440[19:13:06] <awal1> babilen, probably its related with what you say yes, I was thinking in that. But I'm tired of that popup window
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• 5442[19:13:07] <no_gravity> babilen: In debian, I think it was from testing.
• 5443[19:13:25] <babilen> no_gravity: What does "dpkg -l broadcom-sta-dkms|tail -n1" give you?
• 5444[19:13:43] <babilen> awal1: I am not sure how to turn it off, I'm sorry
• 5445[19:13:48] <awal1> I asked a few times in deb next a few times but no hints
• 5446[19:13:50] <no_gravity> babilen: dpkg-query: no packages found matching broadcom-sta-dkms
• 5447[19:14:00] <babilen> no_gravity: How did you install the wl driver?
• 5448[19:14:03] <awal1> babilen, no problem :)
• 5449[19:14:11] <hexadecimal> no_gravity: it seems that you are not the only one in trouble with this wifi card, you should investigate on google, I saw some possibilities to solve your problem
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• 5453[19:14:31] <hexadecimal> The question is what is the good one
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• 5455[19:14:49] <no_gravity> babilen: At first I think it was just there somehow. Later on, I tried something from a forum that suggested to install the -dkms version.
• 5456[19:15:05] <babilen> Yes, that is the package I am referring to
• 5457[19:15:07] <no_gravity> hexadecimal: I have been googling for 3 days now :)
• 5458[19:15:11] <babilen> judd: v broadcom-sta-dkms
• 5459[19:15:12] <judd> Package: broadcom-sta-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 5.100.82.112-8; jessie/non-free: 6.30.223.248-3; jessie-backports/non-free: 6.30.223.271-2~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 6.30.223.271-3; sid/non-free: 6.30.223.271-3
• 5460[19:15:16] <awal1> I have checked settings several times and no trace of that container; and I dont find nothing related googling.
• 5461[19:15:21] <babilen> no_gravity: Does "dpkg -l|grep broadcom" return anything?
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• 5463[19:15:43] <no_gravity> babilen: nop
• 5464[19:15:45] <no_gravity> babilen: no
• 5465[19:15:47] <babilen> awal1: Do you use a desktop environment?
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• 5470[19:16:07] <no_gravity> babilen: I think the driver is in the kernel or something?
• 5471[19:16:08] <babilen> no_gravity: So, how did you install wl?
• 5472[19:16:28] <babilen> no_gravity: Could you install the broadcom-sta-dkms from jessie-backports and try with that?
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• 5474[19:16:29] <awal1> babile, well, I have xfce4 and mate installed; but I use them rarely. I almost use openbox WM
• 5475[19:16:45] <no_gravity> babilen: I could but I would have to boot back into Debian. I'm in Mint right now.
• 5476[19:16:55] <awal1> that popup windows is displayed only when chromium starts
• 5477[19:17:19] <babilen> no_gravity: Have you been running those commands on mint right now?
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• 5482[19:18:07] <no_gravity> babilen: Yes
• 5483[19:18:13] <babilen> dpkg: mint
• 5484[19:18:13] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
• 5485[19:18:25] <babilen> no_gravity: You want to seek support in the mint channel then ^^^
• 5486[19:18:30] <no_gravity> babilen: ok
• 5487[19:18:48] <awal1> babilen, i dont think it's related with a given DE/WM, since that popup is annoying since the upgrade of chromium from v. 52 --» 53 :(
• 5488[19:18:54] <babilen> Seriously, this channel supports Debian and running those commands on mint is pointless
• 5489[19:19:14] <awal1> chromium is every day less userfriedly and less configurable
• 5490[19:19:14] <babilen> awal1: yes, but it would provide some clue as to the nature of your keyring
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• 5493[19:20:30] <awal1> babile, I have never been interested in keyring stuff, so I'm really cluless about that
• 5494[19:20:34] <awal1> babilen
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• 5497[19:21:52] <babilen> That's perfectly fine
• 5498[19:22:03] <babilen> It really isn't that interesting anyway
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• 5500[19:23:38] <awal1> that's bcuz I use my deb machines for a basic home use (browsing, school tasks -word...- and multimedia)
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• 5503[19:24:31] <x86iac> babilen: whew thanks for getting him togo away ;)
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• 5505[19:25:16] <x86iac> and there is a real reason why intel chips are NOT a good idea
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• 5507[19:25:34] <babilen> x86iac: I mean ... what's the point of debugging problems under the assumption that a user is using one distribution, if he is actually using an entirely different one with different packages and what have you
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• 5509[19:25:44] <babilen> x86iac: Why aren't they?
• 5510[19:26:42] <babilen> I've had almost no problem with intel chipsets in the past
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• 5528[19:35:02] <x86iac> security .. their mfg is compromised ...
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• 5532[19:35:33] <x86iac> can you change the mac address of them?
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• 5540[19:39:02] <babilen> macchanger worked fine
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• 5548[19:43:52] <x86iac> does ifconfig/ip show it changed and check /var/log/messages to see
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• 5602[20:05:43] <blockcubed> go bleachbit go!
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• 5609[20:11:07] <testi> I used to use encfs ~/encrypted ~/decrypted - but apparantly encfs is obsolete/insecure. Is there a replacement that works the same way. I found some alternatives, but they all try to encrypt my entire home-drive or depend on some configuration file. I was wondering if there is a solution that has a similar command line pattern.
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• 5617[20:14:26] <x86iac> blockcubed: photorec can defeat bleachbit easily .. so where are the emails?
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• 5621[20:16:36] <blockcubed> did you just compare me to hillary?
• 5622[20:16:48] <blockcubed> #ShotsFired
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• 5624[20:18:29] <blockcubed> I am just trying to clear my caches
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• 5627[20:20:32] <x86iac> nah they already have hilaries emails ... we want yours - especially the ones to ashley-madison ;)
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• 5630[20:20:58] <blockcubed> oh shit my wife will be pissed
• 5631[20:21:16] <x86iac> to late to think of that now
• 5632[20:21:24] <blockcubed> oh mann
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• 5634[20:21:30] <blockcubed> if I only had a girlfriend
• 5635[20:21:32] <blockcubed> alas
• 5636[20:21:34] <blockcubed> I live alone
• 5637[20:21:40] <blockcubed> in a crap trailer
• 5638[20:21:49] * x86iac has a flower shop and can fix your wifey problems
• 5639[20:22:14] <blockcubed> lol I dont have a wife
• 5640[20:22:19] <blockcubed> #foreveralone
• 5641[20:22:27] <x86iac> we don't judge
• 5642[20:22:36] <blockcubed> man iwish I had someone
• 5643[20:22:46] <blockcubed> but I am one of those ugly dudes
• 5644[20:22:47] <x86iac> you got me bwaaahahaha
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• 5646[20:23:17] <blockcubed> anyway if you want more sad tales of blocks life come to the offtopic
• 5647[20:23:34] <blockcubed> I shall regail you with many stories
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• 5650[20:23:51] <blockcubed> #debian-offtopic
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• 5653[20:24:23] <x86iac> i'm banned there for posting something On-topic
• 5654[20:24:40] <Guest62611> hello i installed google-authenticator and configured it together with private key as login method for ssh, this all works fine. but now i cant su into root it always says authentication failed
• 5655[20:25:34] <x86iac> Guest62611: ssh -v to get more information as to why ... and there is #openssh for hard questions
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• 5659[20:29:35] <x86iac> Guest62611: after actually reading your post ... what did you change
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• 5664[20:32:49] <Guest62611> x86iac: i commented out "#@include common-auth" in /etc/pam.d/sshd and added "auth required pam_google_authenticator.so" on top of it
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• 5669[20:34:28] <x86iac> well undo it
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• 5671[20:35:31] <x86iac> then ask basketcase in #openssh how to do it correctly
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• 5694[20:46:45] <chicognu> it is possible to use transparent folder compression on ext4 ?
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• 5699[20:48:29] <afidegnum> how do i make apt-ftp to work in debian?
• 5700[20:48:49] <RoyK> chicognu: doubt it
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• 5702[20:49:03] <random_numbers> Hello, while trying to make a pdf with 'makeinfo' using the texinfo source found here: replaced-url
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• 5704[20:49:13] <random_numbers> It does so even when I just try to make a standard 'info' file.
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• 5709[20:49:38] <RoyK> afidegnum: you can use zfs if you want compression
• 5710[20:49:40] <chicognu> RoyK, linux have any fs with support to ir ?
• 5711[20:49:48] <chicognu> it*
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• 5714[20:50:10] <RoyK> chicognu: there's zfsonlinux
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• 5716[20:50:49] <afidegnum> what's the use of apt-ftp command?
• 5717[20:51:01] <RoyK> chicognu: zfs is in current ubuntu, but not in official debian repos
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• 5719[20:53:00] <chicognu> RoyK, ok, thanks :)
• 5720[20:53:34] <afidegnum> RoyK: i m following up a tutorial where this command was referred
• 5721[20:54:07] <afidegnum> apt-ftp archive packages . > Packages
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• 5725[20:58:45] <babilen> replaced-url
• 5726[20:58:52] <babilen> chicognu: ^
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• 5728[21:00:12] <afidegnum> any insight ?
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• 5733[21:01:29] <x86iac> afidegnum: could it be a smug on the screen and really is apt-get package
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• 5737[21:03:23] <afidegnum> i m following up this tutorial replaced-url
• 5738[21:03:46] <babilen> Why not upgrade to jessie?
• 5739[21:04:48] <afidegnum> my server tool breaks unforgivenly when i try upgrading, the last time i did, i collapse the whole sever holding more than 5000 live users
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• 5742[21:05:12] <afidegnum> i had to restart from scratch
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• 5745[21:05:27] <blockcubed> ok so bleachbit is not actually deleting the files I am marking for it to delete
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• 5747[21:05:57] <babilen> afidegnum: You really want jessie for that. Why not get a new box and then move people over?
• 5748[21:06:13] <babilen> (also because rethinkdb actually provides packages for jessie)
• 5749[21:06:36] <afidegnum> i will do that in the new future, but it will be a progresive, stage, i don't want to face the previous experience again,
• 5750[21:06:38] <babilen> And gcc-4.9 is packaged .. you should deploy your services on a platform that they are meant to be used on
• 5751[21:07:26] <babilen> dpkg: dpkg-scanpackages
• 5752[21:07:26] <dpkg> it has been said that dpkg-scanpackages is a tool to make your own repository for apt: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] Add a deb line to your /etc/apt/sources.list: "deb replaced-url
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• 5754[21:07:43] <babilen> If that's what you need .. but I'd still strongly recommend to use a supported platform
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• 5756[21:08:16] <babilen> Not sure what that even has to do with those 5000 users (why can't they stay where they are for now, while you run rethindb on a dedicated box?)
• 5757[21:09:08] <babilen> Oh, they do have packages for wheezy also. Why not use those?
• 5758[21:09:10] <mohsen_> Hi doesn't debian CD1 iso contain gnome ?
• 5759[21:09:13] <afidegnum> i strongly want to do that, but starting this process now will cause some chaos :)
• 5760[21:09:26] <babilen> mohsen_: It contains a number of Gnome packages, yes
• 5761[21:09:36] <afidegnum> the wheezy package i have is outdated
• 5762[21:09:46] <babilen> afidegnum: And replaced-url
• 5763[21:09:47] <afidegnum> i needed to upgrade hence the issue with gcc
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• 5765[21:10:07] <afidegnum> on wheezy, it installs an old version
• 5766[21:10:34] <mohsen_> babilen: I just performed an offline install but I got redirected to a tty after the first reboot?
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• 5769[21:11:29] <babilen> mohsen_: Okay, are you sure that you installed gnome?
• 5770[21:11:58] <babilen> afidegnum: So run it on jessie. Get a cheap-o small VM that runs jessie and run the service there
• 5771[21:12:10] <artag> a bit of googling suggusts I'm late to this debate, there have been arguments since 2013. But I've suddenly noticed my mount/df outputs cluttered with tmpfs entries. This is undesirable to me. Is there a better way ?
• 5772[21:12:18] <babilen> Not sure why you would want to spend hours shoehorning it on wheezy
• 5773[21:12:31] <babilen> afidegnum: Why the need for a single, outdated system?
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• 5780[21:14:45] <mohsen_> babilen: during installation it asked which graphical desktop environment to use, there was only two options: "debian desktop environment" "system utilities" I enabled them both.
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• 5782[21:15:34] <Agafnd> could someone walk me through partitioning for dual boot?
• 5783[21:15:49] <Jame57> no
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• 5792[21:17:53] <mtn> Agafnd: make one partition for each distro. add a swap if you want it
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• 5797[21:18:43] <Agafnd> mtn: sorry, I should have said: I want to dual boot windows and debian
• 5798[21:19:03] <mtn> Agafnd: is windows installed?
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• 5801[21:19:11] <Agafnd> yes
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• 5803[21:19:19] <babilen> mohsen_: Sounds right .. is gdm3 and gnome-session installed?
• 5804[21:19:32] <mtn> Agafnd: use windows to shrink the windows partition. install debian in the remaining free space
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• 5806[21:20:23] <Agafnd> mtn: so, after I shrink the windows partition, I use the debian guided installer?
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• 5808[21:20:38] <mtn> Agafnd: yes
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• 5811[21:20:43] <Agafnd> ok then
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• 5814[21:21:53] <mohsen_> babilen: when I type gnome and press tab it doesn't get completed
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• 5819[21:22:21] <babilen> dpkg: install gnome
• 5820[21:22:21] <dpkg> To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. replaced-url
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• 5823[21:22:34] <babilen> mohsen_: I was referring to the packages, not executables
• 5824[21:22:51] <babilen> I'd go for 5. and take it from there
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• 5838[21:26:45] <Agafnd> so if I have 211GB unallocated memory, I should be able to install debian with the guided installer and leave the windows partition intact?
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• 5840[21:27:00] <chicognu> babak, reading right now tks
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• 5842[21:27:23] <mtn> Agafnd: you mean space on the hard drive, not memory, right?
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• 5844[21:27:44] <Agafnd> yes, memory as in hard drive space
• 5845[21:27:51] <chicognu> babilen, reading right now tks
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• 5847[21:28:06] <afidegnum> what are the list of apt related commands?
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• 5850[21:28:37] <mtn> Agafnd: that is not memory ;) yes, just make sure you are installing debian to the free space and not formatting the windows partition
• 5851[21:29:05] <Agafnd> mtn: right, I will do that
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• 5861[21:33:01] <Agafnd> apparently, some of my hardware needs non-free firmware files to operate
• 5862[21:33:10] <Agafnd> i think it's probably the wifi card
• 5863[21:33:30] <Agafnd> do I need to load the driver now or can I do it after the install?
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• 5865[21:34:09] <mtn> Agafnd: use a iso with firmware: replaced-url
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• 5867[21:34:57] <mtn> Agafnd: if you install using the lan connection you can add drivers after you are done installing, too
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• 5870[21:35:57] <mtn> afidegnum: man apt or use google
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• 5872[21:36:21] <Agafnd> mtn: ...it's already installing though, it's asking me whether I want to load the files from removable media
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• 5875[21:37:06] <mtn> Agafnd: can you use a lan connection?
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• 5877[21:37:42] <Agafnd> mtn: I don't think so, I've never used lan
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• 5880[21:38:02] <mtn> Agafnd: do you have a lan where you are?
• 5881[21:38:18] <Agafnd> mtn: how would I know?
• 5882[21:38:30] <mtn> Agafnd: do you even know what I am talking about?
• 5883[21:38:36] <Agafnd> mtn: no
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• 5885[21:38:50] <mtn> Agafnd: ok, go to google and read up on it. it is a very basic thing ;)
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• 5888[21:39:57] <artag> it seems I have many separate tmps filesystems attached to /run directories. Is there a way I can aggregate these all into /run ?
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• 5892[21:40:18] <artag> I don't see the point of multiple tmpfs filesystems
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• 5896[21:41:04] <Agafnd> mtn: well there are several computers here connected to the same router
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• 5899[21:42:45] <Agafnd> mtn: can I just say "no" and install the firmware later?
• 5900[21:43:09] <mtn> Agafnd: which installer are you using?
• 5901[21:43:32] <Agafnd> graphical install
• 5902[21:43:54] <Agafnd> from the first menu that comes up when I boot the the usb
• 5903[21:43:55] <mtn> Agafnd: what was the name of the iso you used to make your install disk?
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• 5906[21:44:22] <andre123456> hey i use a script in /etc/profile that sends me an email when someone logs into my machine, this works fine. but unfortunately it won't send a mail when someone logs in via Winscp for example
• 5907[21:45:19] <mtn> Agafnd: debian live? netinstall? dvd1?
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• 5909[21:46:12] <Agafnd> mtn: I'm not sure exactly? i used this tool though: replaced-url
• 5910[21:46:58] <mtn> Agafnd: that is probably not a good idea. download the netinstall iso from the link I gave you.
• 5911[21:47:15] <mtn> Agafnd: follow these instructions on how to make the usb installer: replaced-url
• 5912[21:47:34] <Agafnd> mtn: how do I stop the install that's in progress?
• 5913[21:47:58] <mtn> Agafnd: reboot or turn off the computer.
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• 5916[21:51:15] <Agafnd> mtn: i should get this iso? replaced-url
• 5917[21:52:00] <mtn> Agafnd: yes. that looks good
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• 5924[21:53:15] <Agafnd> mtn: and then I should format the usb stick and copy the iso to it?
• 5925[21:53:50] <mtn> Agafnd: please follow the instructions I just gave you ;)
• 5926[21:54:09] <mtn> Agafnd: no need to do any formatting at all!
• 5927[21:54:43] <Agafnd> mtn: so just remove what's on there already?
• 5928[21:54:53] <mtn> Agafnd: please follow the instructions I just gave you ;)
• 5929[21:54:59] <mtn> Agafnd: follow these instructions on how to make the usb installer: replaced-url
• 5930[21:55:13] <mtn> Agafnd: read it! it won't hurt at all!!
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• 5933[21:55:26] <Agafnd> mtn: ok :)
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• 5937[21:56:29] <artag> can i switch off the creation of per-user tmpfs ? I want all (most) tmpfs use in a single /run directory
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• 5940[22:02:15] <Agafnd> mtn: ok, so I should use replaced-url
• 5941[22:02:42] <mtn> Agafnd: oh, you are on windows? yes, that is a good tool
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• 5943[22:03:30] <Agafnd> mtn: yes, I'm trying to migrate to linux one box at a time
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• 5946[22:04:50] <x86iac> just jump in
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• 5964[22:12:59] <andre123456> how can i send an email when someone logs into scp (winscp) for file transfer?
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• 5967[22:13:38] <andre123456> or is there a general tool that can send me emails when specific actions happen?
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• 5976[22:18:07] <x86iac> grep the /var/log/auth forlogin then email?
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• 5982[22:22:18] <Agafnd> the debian installer seems to think I am setting up a home network
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• 5984[22:23:01] <mtn> Agafnd: how do you figure that?
• 5985[22:23:29] <Agafnd> well, it's trying to configure the network
• 5986[22:23:43] <Agafnd> and it's asking for a domain name
• 5987[22:23:48] <mtn> Agafnd: why wouldn't it? you need the network to download the packages
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• 5991[22:24:10] <JPT> That domain name is not related to Microsoft Windows Domains
• 5992[22:24:17] <JPT> It's related to DNS
• 5993[22:24:33] <Agafnd> well, how can I find out what it is?
• 5994[22:24:52] <JPT> If you don't have any, don't worry about that too much :)
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• 5996[22:24:56] <mtn> Agafnd: what what is? it is better if you actually tell us what you are talking about
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• 5998[22:25:23] <Agafnd> what the domain name is
• 5999[22:25:43] <mtn> Agafnd: oh, I missed that. you don't need one.
• 6000[22:25:54] <Agafnd> so what do I enter?
• 6001[22:26:06] <mtn> Agafnd: nothing, leave it blank
• 6002[22:26:13] <Agafnd> ok
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• 6014[22:33:26] <Agafnd> I should do "guided - use the largest continuous free space", correct?
• 6015[22:34:07] <mtn> Agafnd: I think so. make sure to double check what it wants to do. I think it will show it to you before it starts the formatting
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• 6017[22:35:03] <Agafnd> yes, it got the right spot i believe
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• 6019[22:35:26] <Agafnd> should i have a seperate /home partition?
• 6020[22:35:39] <mtn> Agafnd: not necessary, but you can if you want to.
• 6021[22:35:55] <Agafnd> ok
• 6022[22:36:07] <x86iac> if you are doing a /home do a /var at the same time
• 6023[22:36:21] <artag> Agafnd: I have always found it to be useful. But not necessary as mtn says.
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• 6025[22:36:53] <mtn> I never use one, but some do
• 6026[22:37:17] <x86iac> never had a log file flood?
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• 6028[22:37:34] <artag> I find that it doesn't matter except when upgrading, when it saves a lot of trouble
• 6029[22:37:45] <awal1> Agafnd, I find putting all in / better; that avoids future space issues
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• 6032[22:38:04] <mtn> me too
• 6033[22:38:12] <Agafnd> well, I went ahead and did it
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• 6035[22:38:39] <artag> it's easy enough to undo if you find you prefer not to have it
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• 6037[22:38:55] <Agafnd> i verified the partitions, and now it is installing
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• 6040[22:39:35] <awal1> artag, that depends if you have a multiboot machine and how the partitions are organized...
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• 6042[22:39:54] <awal1> if you have a multiboot machine or not ^
• 6043[22:39:55] <artag> yes, and also requires a fair bit of spare space to be easy
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• 6045[22:41:26] <lyeresuns> "World Defeated The Wrong Enemy" replaced-url
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• 6047[22:42:08] <awal1> also, things are more controllable when running a stable system; when it's unstable/testing one can end really with no space at all bcuz of new pkgs usually autoinstalled as hard deps
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• 6051[22:43:25] <Agafnd> what archive mirror should I use?
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• 6053[22:44:07] <Agafnd> just ftp.us.debian.org?
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• 6056[22:44:50] <teraflops> pick one near you
• 6057[22:45:28] <bumblefuzz> so, how much overlap is there between software that I can install on ubuntu and software that can be installed on debian?
• 6058[22:46:09] <Agafnd> teraflops: how would I know if a mirror is near me?
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• 6061[22:46:58] <teraflops> .us is USA. es ia spain. fi is Finland ...
• 6062[22:47:05] <teraflops> is
• 6063[22:47:07] <zeta-> google maps and a ruler :-)
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• 6068[22:48:44] <zeta-> ping
• 6069[22:48:49] <biocage> PONG!
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• 6072[22:49:01] <jim> Agafnd, there used to be something called apt-spy
• 6073[22:49:07] <jim> let;s see.,
• 6074[22:49:16] <jim> , v apt-spy
• 6075[22:49:17] <judd> Package: apt-spy on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2.2-1; sid: 3.2.2-1
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• 6077[22:50:11] <jim> you could probably do a SSB of it
• 6078[22:50:47] <Agafnd> i used this replaced-url
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• 6082[22:55:12] <Toordog_> hi, I receive an error with ssh when connecting to a debian server. Disconnecting: Packet corrupt, Write failed: connection reset by peer. Googling the error doesn't show a fix other than old bug from 2003
• 6083[22:55:17] <jim> looks like it's not in stable or testing
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• 6086[22:56:21] <Agafnd> do i need "print server"?
• 6087[22:56:26] <peterrooney> bumblefuzz: there is a LOT of software in common, though package names are not necessarily identical.
• 6088[22:56:28] <jim> look at the server's and client's iptables rules (iptables -L)
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• 6091[22:57:06] <jim> Agafnd, do you have a printer you want to put under a server?
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• 6096[22:57:49] <Agafnd> jim: all I want to do printer-wise is print wirelessly
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• 6098[22:58:17] <jim> so then "do you have a printer" is a yes?
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• 6100[22:58:29] <Agafnd> jim: yes
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• 6102[22:58:42] <jim> ok, what's it connected to?
• 6103[22:58:57] <anonan> hello, i'm trying to get a preseed/early_command to run. admittedly, i'm trying this with ubuntu 16.04, but the guys at #ubuntu don't seem to answer. anyway, i put "d-i preseed/early_command string while : ; do sleep 1 ; done" into my preseed file (which otherwise runs fine). instead of getting stuck in the inifinte loop, debian-installer just marches on. any idea why that might be?
• 6104[22:59:09] <Agafnd> jim: the wifi I believe
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• 6106[22:59:33] <jim> (to your original question "do I want a print server" answer is I think yes
• 6107[22:59:41] <Agafnd> jim: ok then
• 6108[22:59:43] <jim> )
• 6109[22:59:56] <missmbob> !they don't know
• 6110[22:59:56] <dpkg> We're sorry your distro's channel isn't being helpful, but that doesn't make it appropriate to use #debian for non-Debian questions. Please go back to your channel and wait patiently for better help, or install Debian and party with us.
• 6111[23:00:27] <jim> what other machines do you have?
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• 6113[23:00:35] <peterrooney> anonan: /msg dpkg based on debian # also, /msg dpkg crosspost
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• 6118[23:01:51] <jim> (have to repeat this sorry) Agafnd, what other machines do you have?
• 6119[23:02:54] <anonan> peterrooney: i'm sorry for cross-posting, but i figured since d-i is proper debian, this might actually be the right place to ask. i'm trying to do the same right now with a debian iso and see whether that works
• 6120[23:03:10] <Agafnd> jim: i'm installing on a laptop, writing this on a desktop, and there's a very old laptop in the next room
• 6121[23:03:33] <jim> ok, are they all on your net?
• 6122[23:03:52] <Agafnd> jim: yeah
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• 6125[23:04:27] <jim> ok, about the printer, is it generally portable? do you take it and your laptop to (say) work?
• 6126[23:04:45] <Agafnd> jim: no, it stays where it is
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• 6128[23:04:57] <Agafnd> i print from the other side of the house
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• 6130[23:05:21] <jim> and the desktop, does it have a wireless interface?
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• 6132[23:06:05] <jim> (right now exploring having a print server serve the wireless printer directly to start with)
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• 6134[23:06:42] <Agafnd> jim: you mean one of these? replaced-url
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• 6137[23:07:47] <jim> well wait... how does the desktop connect to your net?
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• 6139[23:08:16] <jim> (and, answer to y9our question, generally yes)
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• 6144[23:09:37] <Agafnd> jim: with a netgear wna3100
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• 6146[23:10:31] <Andrepila> i am using swatch for log monitoring, how can i include the log message (with pipe command i think) into the mail? watchfor /systemd\-logind/
• 6147[23:10:31] <Andrepila> mail addresses=mymail.com,subject=SCP_LOGIN
• 6148[23:10:33] <x86iac> i had/have one of them and it blew up
• 6149[23:11:26] <jim> Agafnd, ok, so the desktop machine uses the usb wireless-nic dongle to connect... to... hmm. to what?
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• 6152[23:12:40] <Agafnd> jim: to a router
• 6153[23:12:57] <jim> ahh, and the printer also connects to that router/
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• 6155[23:12:58] <jim> ?
• 6156[23:13:16] <Agafnd> jim: yes
• 6157[23:13:29] <Agafnd> or so it would seeem
• 6158[23:13:53] <jim> ok, what OS does the desktop run? (we'll start with that assumption)
• 6159[23:14:15] <Agafnd> windows 7
• 6160[23:16:10] <jim> ok... what you could try to do (but this is unsupported here: you could talk to ##windows), is print from the desktop and share the printer... then the linux machines could run cups and use that shared printer (maybe via samba)
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• 6165[23:17:11] <jim> dealing with the windows box, printing from it, sharing that printer on the windows box, all should be done on ##windows
• 6166[23:17:21] <Agafnd> what's wrong with just using the router?
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• 6168[23:17:46] <jim> does the router have a print server?
• 6169[23:18:09] <jim> or print sharing thing or like that?
• 6170[23:18:12] <Agafnd> i don't know.
• 6171[23:18:31] <Agafnd> but it works
• 6172[23:18:31] <jim> ok, neither do I, unfortunately
• 6173[23:18:46] <jim> err what works?
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• 6175[23:18:58] <Agafnd> printing wirelessly works
• 6176[23:19:28] <jim> all I know for sure right now, is the printer is connected by the router (and I only know that because you've said so)
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• 6178[23:20:12] <Agafnd> and I can print from any computer in the house
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• 6181[23:20:39] <jim> oh, then you already have printing working that way
• 6182[23:20:50] <jim> so then maybe you do not need a server
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• 6187[23:22:18] <Agafnd> ...yes. sorry for not making that clear
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• 6189[23:22:48] <jim> here's my idea of what a print server that's conneced to the printer, would do: it lets any other machine "queue" print jobs so that it doesn't get confused by multiple requests, because it handles them by making them "get in line"
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• 6193[23:23:59] <Agafnd> which would be a good thing if i ever had more than one document printing at once
• 6194[23:24:01] <jim> so: the printer only directly communicates with the server, and all other machines talk to the print server
• 6195[23:24:15] <jim> yes
• 6196[23:25:02] <jim> you need to find out if you have one machine that -is- acting as a common server... OR... if the printer -itself- is acting as a server
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• 6201[23:26:05] <Agafnd> noted
• 6202[23:26:06] <jim> (and as mentioned, some of the assistance with this may have to be done on ##windows)
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• 6240[23:42:58] <lollipop> /quit
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• 6246[23:45:08] <x86iac> add it to crond or atd depending on frequency
• 6247[23:45:16] <x86iac> ^^ Capum321
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• 6249[23:46:01] <x86iac> you could just put it in a while do loop bash script with a sleep too
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• 6259[23:50:36] <Agafnd> wow! succesful dual boot
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• 6262[23:51:07] <endersending> anyone run debian on a sparc64?
• 6263[23:51:23] <endersending> im going to try it.. i hope it works
• 6264[23:51:33] <Capum321> x86iac: I plan to let it run automatically every time it pass the given time of idle
• 6265[23:51:34] <somiaj> I would just ask your question, though I think there are more specific sparc channels on irc.oftc.net
• 6266[23:51:54] <Capum321> x86iac: how crond or atd would work that way?
• 6267[23:52:12] <somiaj> endersending: #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net, replaced-url
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• 6269[23:53:13] <endersending> thanks
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• 6273[23:53:48] <Capum321> x86iac: i do not have the expertise to do from the zero, i grab the code, improve what I am able to and make it worked with what I get from the internet
• 6274[23:53:59] <x86iac> Capum321: man page them - they run on a clock but you do it in the script with loop and sleep
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• 6278[23:54:40] <x86iac> do while true ...... what you want run .... sleep 19min
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• 6280[23:55:03] <x86iac> i doubt that would take more or less cpu resources then crond or atd
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• 6282[23:56:13] <Capum321> x86iac: yes, i really wanted to know how to do it, but it seems to be easier to find similar queries from others
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• 6286[23:57:05] <x86iac> Capum321: your above paste has the sleep in it.. what are you failing to do
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• 6289[23:57:35] <Capum321> it should run automatically, no?
• 6290[23:57:57] <Capum321> as sort of daemon
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• 6292[23:58:19] <x86iac> no that is a paste that has a program at the top and a script at the bottom you need to separate them and compile the top part and make the bottom into an executable script
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• 6295[23:58:33] <x86iac> a daemon = server
• 6296[23:58:48] <Capum321> x86iac: isn't daemon a background service?
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• 6302[23:59:36] <Capum321> x86iac: sorry, i did compile to a executable. put the c program separate from bash script.
• 6303[23:59:42] <x86iac> the d in httpd sshd a server background is probably defined as bg code
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