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5 [00:02:06] <landia> Anyone use nftables to block new incoming
traffic to docker containers? Used to just straight up bypass UFW
when I was using that
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57 [00:39:56] <eblip> oh sorry forgot to update ..the upgrade
from debian stretch to buster went fine ...got a tiny issue with
minissdpd but everything else was working fine
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60 [00:40:43] <humpled> \o/
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77 [00:51:02] <epony> WTF QoTD: "When you have eliminated
the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page".
78 [00:51:08] <epony> no
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83 [00:52:21] <uRock> Lol, none of the pages I've designed
have Java.
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85 [00:52:58] <epony> That's from the GOOG..
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87 [00:53:51] <epony> In fact the majority of web sites display
information just fine without any JS and most of them even look
better without any CSS.
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89 [00:54:01] <epony> :-D
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93 [00:55:52] <uRock> yup
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96 [00:56:35] <humpled> good luck
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98 [00:57:10] <epony> It works regardless of luck (or no luck)
wishes :-)
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157 [01:51:40] <jcb2016> guys i been reading the release notes
for buster i did some stuff on here and it seems fine. i then
changed my sources.list to buster ran an apt update now im doing a
apt upgrade. im getting an error about inetutils-ping conflicts:
ping E: Broken packages
158 [01:51:42] <jcb2016> any ideas?
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160 [01:52:12] <jcb2016> i just ran apt install inetutils-ping
and it seemed fine
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163 [01:53:03] <Gerowen> What is the appropriate way to view
system tray icons for applications, in my case the Nextcloud client?
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167 [01:55:33] <jelly> ravioli, atop if the process lives for
more than 10 seconds as that's the sampling frequency
168 [01:57:09] <jcb2016> so i just removed inetutils-ping and
eveything is working
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170 [01:59:42] <eb0t> on this page why are the torrent files 1 ,
2 , 3 different sizes
171 [01:59:46] <eb0t>
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180 [02:02:30] <eb0t> The first DVD in this set is also
deliberately limited in size so it should fit on a standard-sized
4GB USB stick.
181 [02:02:33] <eblip> thats why
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185 [02:09:54] <epsilon> eb0t: they contains the packages, not
all packages fit on one dvd
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191 [02:11:42] <epsilon> eb0t: if the host to be installed has
fast internet, consider using the netinstall image
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194 [02:12:02] <eb0t> ah ok thanks
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240 [02:56:37] <william> i have read in documentation that i
really should not load third party stuff and that i should use only
that which is in distribution. but pepperaudio will not work on my
legacy 32 bit so what is good other than adobe flash
241 [02:57:18] <rjsalts> you're using chromium?
242 [02:57:48] <petn-randall> william: Are there still websites
using flash?
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244 [02:58:46] <rjsalts> petn-randall: yeah, getting less and
less with chrome asking for explicit permission to run each time
though
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248 [03:01:19] <epony> people still use chrome?
249 [03:02:40] <rjsalts> epony: about 60% of the people by some
measurements
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251 [03:03:20] <epony> must be something like the IE with Win95
and later
252 [03:03:29] <epony> or wrong measures :-)
253 [03:05:40] <rjsalts> android does contribute in a similar way
to IE bundled with windows
254 [03:05:50] <epony> yep
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259 [03:07:53] <Gerowen> Haven't used Debian in a while, is
it normal for /sbin to not be in PATH?
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261 [03:08:04] <Gerowen> Reasonably fresh installation, about 2
hours old.
262 [03:08:07] <rjsalts> Gerowen: for non-root users
263 [03:08:25] <rjsalts> Gerowen: if you're root /sbin and
/usr/sbin will be in the PATH
264 [03:08:36] <ryouma> i stick it there anyway
265 [03:09:00] <epony> I have it in $PATH on my OS too (not
Debian)
266 [03:09:23] <annadane> Gerowen, use su - instead of su
267 [03:09:34] <annadane> this is a change as of buster
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269 [03:11:28] <Gerowen> annadane: So su -c
"somecommand"?
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273 [03:13:10] <annadane> i think i've seen su - -c
recommended
274 [03:13:11] <Gerowen> Ah I see, ok.
275 [03:13:16] <Gerowen> It's literally just su -
276 [03:13:19] <annadane> yep
277 [03:13:40] <Gerowen> That sets environment variables for
root, whereas I guess if I just use normal su, it elevates
permissions, but still has my personal variables in mind.
278 [03:13:42] <Gerowen> Trackin'
279 [03:13:44] <Gerowen> Like a missile
280 [03:13:51] <rjsalts> it's a login shell
281 [03:14:27] <annadane> i aliased grep to grep -i but
haven't aliased su to su - because my muscle memory is so
strong by this point anyway :P
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286 [03:22:19] <william> what plays wav files
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288 [03:22:56] <petn-randall> william: Most audio players do,
it's a very basic encoding format.
289 [03:23:41] <annadane> *go to website* "sorry, you
don't have realplayer installed" :P
290 [03:23:58] <Gerowen> annadane: Were you browsing archive.org
or something? lol
291 [03:24:03] <ryouma> annadane: my grep function is TERM=xterm
LC_ALL=C xzgrep -i --color=auto --devices=skip "$@"
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293 [03:24:32] <annadane> we don't deserve vlc, what a
wonderful bit of software
294 [03:24:41] <uRock> truth
295 [03:24:52] <ryouma> it is great
296 [03:25:18] <ryouma> it always has a bug with its
non-fullscreen settings though
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298 [03:26:32] <william> petn-randall: sound is in applications
but when i choose it i just get the preferences screen
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301 [03:29:36] <petn-randall> william: Sounds like you're
not opening an application, but the sound settings.
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304 [03:30:22] <annadane> william, are you trying to open a .wav
file in some directory? you should be able to choose which
application or even set the association for future, depending on
what desktop environemnt you use
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307 [03:31:03] <annadane> (i like pcmanfm in this regard, it
doesn't auto-set associations like thunar does but you can
easily do it manually)
308 [03:31:07] <william> petn-randall: yes that is true so how do
i open the app. I am buster amd32
309 [03:31:51] <william> annadane:yes in a directory and i right
click on the wav file and do not see any sound app to associate it
with
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313 [03:32:40] <petn-randall> william: Install an audio player
first. "vlc" for example works.
314 [03:32:46] <annadane> which file manager? and do you have
something like vlc or mpv installed?
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316 [03:33:10] <uRock> or Audacious
317 [03:33:18] <abrock> I want to install Debian stable and for
partitioning I selected "Guided - use entire disk and set up
encryptet LVM". It wants to create a 64GB swap partition and I
want to make it smaller, how can I do that?
318 [03:33:19] <annadane> !start a media player war
319 [03:33:19] <dpkg> mplayer ownz you, and xine sucks ass!
320 [03:33:36] <uRock> lol
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322 [03:33:54] <annadane> you can't just click the entry
that says 64gb swap and enter a smaller size?
323 [03:34:11] <annadane> i haven't done it but i assume you
can, if it's like a normal install
324 [03:34:11] <abrock> I'm using text installer, no
clicking possible
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328 [03:34:49] <petn-randall> abrock: You should be able to
override the settings, IIRC.
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330 [03:34:58] <abrock> I can press enter but it only lets me
change "use as: swap" to something like fat32
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333 [03:35:17] <petn-randall> abrock: You need to remove the
partition, and create a smaller sized one.
334 [03:35:24] <petn-randall> The LV to be specific.
335 [03:35:27] <william> annadane: is vlc in distribution so i
can just do apt-get install vlc
336 [03:35:35] <petn-randall> !tias
337 [03:35:35] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
338 [03:35:36] <abrock> how can I delete the partition?
339 [03:35:41] <uRock> william, yes
340 [03:35:52] <petn-randall> abrock: In the logical volume
manager settings.
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342 [03:37:12] <annadane>
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343 [03:37:16] <annadane> but, yes, apt install vlc
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345 [03:37:39] <annadane> or apt-get or whatever
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354 [03:43:11] <abrock> hm, can't find any possibility to
delete a partition
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357 [03:44:37] <petn-randall> You don't want to delete any
partitions, you need to remove the LV.
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363 [03:46:34] <william> thanks guys
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400 [04:13:18] <abrock> I'm configuring manually now. Do I
create one encrypted volume for both / and swap or one volume for
each of them?
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403 [04:15:02] <petn-randall> abrock: You create a single
partition that you use as a LUKS container. In that you create a PV
for lvm2, which you can then use to create a VG, which contains all
the LVs. On the LVs you put your filesystems, and add them as mount
points. :)
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412 [04:23:24] <abrock> Should I use UEFI? Debian will be the
only OS
413 [04:24:38] <uRock> I have this graphics card, [AMD/ATI]
Caicos [Radeon HD 6450/7450/8450 / R5 230 OEM], when I boot the
Buster gnome live image nouveau doesn't set the resolution
properly and there's no "Displays" option. Does this
mean I am likely to need a driver?
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415 [04:27:11] <Unit193> fglrx has been discontinued, so nope,
guess not!
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417 [04:30:13] <jmcnaught> uRock: you probably just need a
non-free firmware
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421 [04:32:25] <uRock> jmcnaught, That's good to know. It
seems I am going to need that for the WiFi cards, also. Where's
the best place to download those debs to install manually via
sneakernet?
422 [04:33:11] <jmcnaught> !firmware image
423 [04:33:11] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available
from
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424 [04:33:34] <jmcnaught> uRock: ^ this ISO image includes most
of the firmware packages
425 [04:34:38] <uRock> That's awesome! Thanks jmcnaught
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430 [04:36:04] <jmcnaught> uRock: there's also a section of
the install manual that covers loading missing firmware and that
section links to the firmwares and this non-free installer ISO if
you ever forget where to get it
431 [04:37:26] <abrock> The installer says "No EFI partition
found", is that bad?
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434 [04:38:21] <jmcnaught> abrock: you need a partition in FAT
format mounted at /boot/efi if you want to boot with UEFI
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437 [04:38:58] <abrock> how big does it need to be?
438 [04:39:51] <BazookaTooth> 150-250mb works fine
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441 [04:40:09] <abrock> do I also need a /boot partition?
442 [04:40:15] <BazookaTooth> apple uses 210mb for whatever
reason
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444 [04:40:25] <BazookaTooth> yes
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446 [04:41:19] <jmcnaught> abrock: why not do Guided
partitioning, encrypted with LVM and then tweak the results after?
447 [04:41:37] <abrock> I can't figure out how to make the
swap smaller
448 [04:41:52] <abrock> and the guide want 64GB swap since I have
64GB RAM
449 [04:42:00] <BazookaTooth> nope
450 [04:42:01] <jmcnaught> abrock: you add/remove LVM logical
volumes with the "Configure LVM" menu option on the
partitioner screen
451 [04:42:19] <jmcnaught> abrock: it will be with other
"Configure …" menu options
452 [04:42:20] <BazookaTooth> use like 4gb
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454 [04:42:54] <jmcnaught> leave yourself some free space on the
volume group too
455 [04:43:26] <abrock> why?
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457 [04:44:31] <jmcnaught> You can use that free space to do
snapshots of LVs that you can merge back to, or use the space to
grow a volume later on
458 [04:45:15] <abrock> ok
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460 [04:45:48] <abrock> Now I have a 100MB fat32 partition with
mount point /boot/efi but when i enter "Finish
partitioning" it complains about not EFI partition
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462 [04:46:47] <jmcnaught> abrock: you probably need to select
the partition and change its "use as"
463 [04:47:13] <jmcnaught> I always just use guided partitioning
and let it create the ESP for me
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465 [04:47:33] <abrock> ah, I was wondering what an
"ESP" might b e
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472 [04:47:49] <jmcnaught> EFI system partition
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490 [04:54:07] <karlpinc> : Also, if you have a SSD you help
avoid write amplification by reserving space you never ever write
to.
491 [04:54:31] * karlpinc has left unpartitioned space for that
purpose.
492 [04:55:55] <ryouma> the amplificaiton is only a factor of 2
though right?
493 [04:56:18] <ryouma> i am too afraid to wipe my drive, upgrade
firmware, and repartition
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501 [05:05:12] <notbothot> Anyone here using a Zen 2?
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503 [05:05:32] <alexandros_tab> Good day, has anyone successful
at configuring a rtl8811au chipset to work under bedian 10? Please
tell me the github page that you used. There set that I found are
either the source for does not work with the kernel of Debian 10 or
support have been remove from the source. Thanks in advance.
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513 [05:19:46] <karlpinc> alexandros_tab: There is a "kernel
handbook" if you want to build your own kernel. Otherwise, you
could try looking for a newer kernel in the backports repo.
(Assuming you know you can't use a stock kernel...)
514 [05:19:56] <karlpinc> ,kernels
515 [05:19:57] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 5.0.0-trunk-686-pae (5.0.2-1~exp1); sid:
4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-5); buster: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-5);
stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.19.37-4~bpo9+1);
stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1+deb9u3); jessie-backports:
4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie:
4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1+deb9u3~deb8u1); wheezy-
516 [05:19:58] <judd> backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
517 [05:20:42] <petn-randall> notbothot: It's best if you
ask your real question.
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526 [05:30:27] <alexandros_tab> karlpinc: thanks for answering
but you misunderstand my question. I am using kernel 4.19 which is
the stock kernel for buster. I am asking about the rtl8811au driver.
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529 [05:31:36] <dvs> alexandros_tab, here's some
instructions for jessie. Maybe it will work for buster:
replaced-url
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536 [05:37:31] <alexandros_tab> dvs: thanks but it doesn't
work on buster, the driver is too old for the kernel
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565 [06:09:47] <berndj> how do i see what scripts tried to run
when i installed some package? i have dpkg --script
<packagename> in my .bash_history, but that doesn't seem
to be a valid option (anymore?). same with s/dpkg/dpkg-query/; also
in history, also a bad option
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618 [06:37:19] <alkisg> berndj: the preinst/postinst etc scripts
of the .deb package are run, and they're stored in
/var/lib/dpkg/info/package.postinst etc
619 [06:37:34] <alkisg> Of course those can run whatever other
scripts or binaries they want
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644 [06:50:34] <nife> HELLO
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646 [06:52:06] <nife> well this is fucking deaed
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676 [07:08:41] <Kali_Yuga> Hello I'm trying to install
debian, I made a bootable USB Stick but it only boots with grub. If
I type 'boot' it tells me: error: you need to load kernel
first!
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681 [07:10:08] <Kali_Yuga> I verified the .iso
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684 [07:13:55] <Kali_Yuga> Is there something wrong with the
image. idk how to load a kernel within grub
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697 [07:27:32] <klys> kali_yuga, are you at the grub> prompt
now?
698 [07:28:01] <Kali_Yuga> no I booted back to my OS
699 [07:29:20] <klys> you can get a bootable debian installer on
usb disk media with the program here:
replaced-url
700 [07:29:36] <klys> just put the .iso on your usb disk
701 [07:29:56] <klys> it will erase the usb disk's contents,
so back that up if you need to.
702 [07:30:31] <Kali_Yuga> I did this already with sudo dd
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704 [07:31:06] <klys> what was your dd command's of=
parameter?
705 [07:31:12] <Kali_Yuga> It's just it won't boot and
drops me into a grub> prompt yes
706 [07:31:54] <Kali_Yuga> sudo dd bs=4M
if=/home/username/Downloads/debian-live-10.0.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso
of=/dev/sdc1 status=progress oflag=sync
707 [07:32:10] <klys> try with of=/dev/sdc instead.
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709 [07:33:13] <Kali_Yuga> well it changes everythime now
it's under /dev/sdb1
710 [07:33:23] <klys> make sure with fdisk -l
711 [07:33:36] <klys> and then yeah you can use /dev/sdb if
that's really it.
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713 [07:34:21] <klys> I get that too, sometimes /dev/sda is a
ramdisk
714 [07:34:32] <Kali_Yuga> well yes it is already on the stick if
not it wouldn't drop me into a grub prompt
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716 [07:34:54] <klys> well you need to overwrite the entire disk
if you want to do it that way
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718 [07:35:04] <klys> not just the first partition
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721 [07:36:56] <Kali_Yuga> what do you mean I need to format
entire disk? Can I not just start a usual live session? Or a
graphical installer or something. why am I in grub?
722 [07:37:55] <klys> I mean the correct command is: sudo dd
bs=4M
if=/home/username/Downloads/debian-live-10.0.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso
of=/dev/sdc status=progress oflag=sync
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725 [07:39:19] <Kali_Yuga> I already have the USB stick. I see
all the files on there already
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727 [07:39:52] <klys> kali_yuga, it might be possible to guide
you to a configfile if you have the grub> prompt handy
728 [07:40:05] <klys> grub> ls
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731 [07:42:12] <Kali_Yuga> ok
732 [07:42:37] <EmleyMoor> It's very possible you can see
the files but if you've not overwritten the whole device then
it's very likely the boot loader is in the wrong place
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735 [07:44:04] <Kali_Yuga> EmleyMoor: I have formatted the USB
drive before putting debian on there. Do you mean a slow format in
that case?
736 [07:44:26] <klys> kali_yuga, a format using the dd command
with of=/dev/sdc
737 [07:45:14] <Kali_Yuga> I have only formatted it using the
disk utility in fat32
738 [07:45:31] <klys> it will not be possible to use fat32 on
such a disk.
739 [07:45:56] <klys> the filesystem will overwrite the partitino
table of the usb disk.
740 [07:46:13] <klys> s/partitino/partition/
741 [07:46:43] <EmleyMoor> If you had a number at the end of your
of parameter, you did it wrong
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743 [07:48:51] <Kali_Yuga> Okay I will reformat using
"/dev/sdb" instead of "/dev/sdb1". Is it correct
this way?
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745 [07:49:45] <EmleyMoor> Yes, that's the way. No number
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747 [07:50:26] <EmleyMoor> You want to write to the disk, not a
partition of it
748 [07:50:51] <Kali_Yuga> EmleyMoor: Ah, now that makes sense
now
749 [07:51:18] <alkisg> Kali_Yuga: normally, you wouldn't
even see a grub prompt, you'd see a "not bootable
disk"; which means that an older grub is booting, that was in
the stick before the dd command
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751 [07:53:40] <Kali_Yuga> okay doing this now without the
number. thx very much for the help guys
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761 [07:58:48] <Kali_Yuga> done, trying to boot this now...
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766 [08:04:04] <EmleyMoor> This was one point of confusion that
never occurred with floppies, though people did the wrong thing
trying to set those up too
767 [08:04:48] <Kali_Yuga> Ok it works now. Thanks very much
again. I knew somehow it must have been user error since I verified
the image. dumb me
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786 [08:18:33] <Jck_true> I just wanna say a quick thanks to
whoever it was who helped me in here yesterday... I was stuck with a
debian server that wouldn't bring up a network interface
causing me to use a remote recovery terminal. But since I
didn't have a license for post boot debugging I would only get
~60 seconds before having to relaunch the program... Jesus what a
787 [08:18:34] <Jck_true> clusterfuck that was...
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790 [08:23:52] <met> what system requires a license for post boot
debugging?
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792 [08:24:41] <Jck_true> HP iLO on a MicroServer
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806 [08:34:22] <tagomago> Hey people! Thinking about upgrading to
Buster (from Stretch). I'd like try Xfce instead of MATE but
also to keep all my other programs and config... What should I do?
Is there any script that does that? Thanks!!!
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810 [08:39:52] <diogenes_> tagomago, backup ~/.config
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814 [08:44:18] <tagomago> diogenes_ and then? I mean, how do I
apply that config to a fresh install?
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816 [08:45:42] <diogenes_> tagomago, do you have a separate /home
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818 [08:46:02] <gorilla> I have upgraded my Debian from from
Stretch to Buster. I'm experiencing an issue with --configure
of fuse: installed fuse package post-installation script subprocess
returned error exit status 1
819 [08:46:04] <tagomago> Yeah, I have my home at a separate
partition. What I'd like to avoid is to reinstall everything
manually, basically.
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821 [08:47:37] <diogenes_> tagomago, the thing is this, buster
have newer libraries and newer software and older ones depend on
older versions of the libraries so the majority won't work in
the newer version so in the end some of then would require
re-installation.
822 [08:48:42] <diogenes_> and i'd recommend a fresh install
instead of upgrade but that's just my preferred way to avoid
complications and headache.
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825 [08:49:58] <tagomago> diogenes_ Yeah, I understand. If only
there was a script that checks that and reinstalls all programs for
you, based on the apt cache or something... that would be great.
826 [08:50:50] <Haohmaru> make a backup and upgrade it to 10
827 [08:51:00] <Haohmaru> then install xfce and try it out
828 [08:51:22] <Haohmaru> or get a debian10 live iso with xfce
onto a bootable usb flash stick
829 [08:52:13] <humpled> dpkg --get-selections gets your package
list
830 [08:52:13] * dpkg selects humpled's ultra-s3kr3t collection
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832 [08:52:22] <humpled> ooh
833 [08:52:28] <Haohmaru> busted!
834 [08:52:39] <humpled> dpkg --set-selections
835 [08:52:40] <dpkg> humpled: I wish you would RTFM.
836 [08:52:47] <humpled> stuff like that
837 [08:54:14] <humpled> as well as that i zip up all my dot
files and all my /etc/ files in case i've made changes i need
to redo
838 [08:54:55] <alkisg> tagomago: afaik you can just upgrade,
then install xfce. If you find it better, at that point you can see
how to uninstall mate.
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840 [08:56:46] <tagomago> Thanks humpled! So I got my package
list... how do I apply that to a fresh install?
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843 [08:57:23] <tagomago> Oh, --set-selections?
844 [08:57:37] <humpled> yes and one other line which i forget
845 [08:57:51] <alkisg> Wouldn't that just install mate
again? :)
846 [08:58:13] <tagomago> I'll check that on the Internetz!
:-D thanks
847 [08:58:28] <humpled> yes it would alkisg
848 [08:58:48] <alkisg> I thought the point of clean install was
for tagomago to avoid mate...
849 [08:58:49] <tagomago> aaargh
850 [08:59:02] <tagomago> Yeah.
851 [08:59:49] <tagomago> Would be great to filter DE related
packages somehow.
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853 [09:00:14] <alkisg> The way I do this is: I move all dirs to
/srv/old-install, except for home, then install, then if I remember
that I need something from my old /etc, I find it in
/srv/old-install
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855 [09:00:30] <alkisg> And I have a long line of `apt install
my-packages`, with my packages :)
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858 [09:02:09] <tagomago> That line coming from dpkg
get-selections?
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861 [09:02:43] <alkisg> Nope, from manually looking the installed
packages once, so that I see which packages I actually want; I keep
that list and don't really change it in newer installations
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866 [09:03:51] <humpled> there must be a way of showing all the
dependencies of task-mate-desktop, if that was how you installed
mate
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869 [09:04:34] <tagomago> I think I doomed to do just that,
alkisg.
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872 [09:04:43] <humpled> can be easier to just glance through the
list
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875 [09:05:30] <alkisg> tagomago: you may also do a
"diff" between your current list, and the list obtained
from the jessie mate cd, so that you examine fewer packages
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879 [09:05:54] <alkisg> It's a good idea to keep the list
right after a clean install, to make the diff easier later on
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891 [09:09:15] <tagomago> 'Cause uninstalling MATE after
installing Xfce sounds painful to me, in terms of messing up the DE
menu, etc. I always feel scared of those things (because I do my job
on this machine and I'm such a basic user).
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893 [09:10:32] <alkisg> tagomago: I'm not sure what you mean
about the menu. The initial menu is decided by mate-panel code; if
you adjusted it, it's stored in gsettings, which aren't
removed on clean installations as they're in home
894 [09:11:19] <alkisg> I.e. if you put a shortcut to vlc on the
panel, then clean-installed buster xfce, and then after 2 years you
installed mate again, the shortcut to vlc would still be there, as
it's in your /home/username/.config/dconf settings
895 [09:11:23] <tagomago> The menu where you select the DE (when
there's more than one)
896 [09:11:39] <diogenes_> tagomago, if you took your time to do
a fresh install since the time you entered here then by now you
would have already had your new system all setup and running :)
897 [09:11:41] <alkisg> Ah you mean the login screen, the display
manager?
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899 [09:12:07] <tagomago> diogenes_ :__D
900 [09:12:14] <alkisg> That's just a menu that displays the
available DEs, nothing significant there...
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902 [09:13:05] <tagomago> So if I uninstall MATE, that menu goes
away?
903 [09:13:11] <alkisg> Yes
904 [09:13:19] <alkisg> ls /usr/share/xsessions
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906 [09:13:31] <alkisg> The .desktop files there are the
available DEs, and generate that menu
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908 [09:13:45] <tagomago> Oh, I suddenly lost my fear.
909 [09:13:52] <alkisg> :D
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911 [09:14:57] <diogenes_> a glass of whiskey would help to lose
it completely :)
912 [09:15:11] <tagomago> :D
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915 [09:16:20] <tagomago> :D :D
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919 [09:17:34] <tagomago> Gee, I'll try to decide this
weekend, thanks a lot to everyone!
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968 [09:55:18] <Jck_true> I installed docker and added my account
to the docker group. But I still get denied permission... Finding a
random selection of suggestions online but I would prefer to follow
the offical installation documentation...
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971 [09:58:11] <Haohmaru> you added yourself to some group, note
that changes might not apply yet
972 [09:58:36] <Haohmaru> at least according to my eggsperience
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976 [09:59:05] <Jck_true> I rebooted the entire server just to be
sure. And I'm still in the group
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978 [09:59:23] <Haohmaru> k, then *shrug*
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994 [10:04:52] <_bouzu_> Jck_true, can you double check you added
the user to the same group which ownes /var/run/docker.sock ?
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999 [10:05:56] <Jck_true> _bouzu_: srw-rw---- 1 root
systemd-coredump 0 Jul 18 10:01 docker.sock
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1004 [10:08:04] <Jck_true> I'm fairly sure it shouldn't
be owned by systemd-coredump ....
1005 [10:09:06] <_bouzu_> Jck_true, guess thats the issue. should
be owned by root:docker. looks like some uid conflict. workaround
may be adding your user to group systemd-coredump, relog and docker
should be usable. maybe some hardcoded uids in docker install
scripts. well whatever
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1008 [10:10:02] <Jck_true> sudo chown root:docker docker.sock That
seems to fix it...
1009 [10:10:59] <Jck_true> No to fix samba and I'll my
reinstall will finally be successful :)
1010 [10:11:02] <Jck_true> now*
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1012 [10:11:08] <_bouzu_> Jck_true, yeah but the socket gets
recreated on boot. beware as this should only be a temp fix
1013 [10:13:32] <Jck_true> Uff... Oh well - I'll leave the
sorrows for another time :)
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1025 [10:20:14] <samsa__> hi. im running debian buster. all of the
sudden I am not able to start gpodder: "/usr/bin/gpodder:42:
DeprecationWarning: Importing dbus.glib to use the GLib main loop
with dbus-python is deprecated." any ideas?
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1031 [10:21:58] <Habbie> samsa__, that's a warning, it should
not be preventing you from doing that
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1036 [10:24:14] <samsa__> Habbie, ok, but the program is not
starting. here is the full "error message":
replaced-url
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1038 [10:24:45] <Habbie> 1563438207.703105 [__main__] INFO:
Activating existing instance via D-Bus.
1039 [10:24:47] <Habbie> it thinks it is already running
1040 [10:25:14] <samsa__> Habbie, ok, I will killall and see what
happens...
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1043 [10:26:36] <samsa__> Habbie, You were right!!! Thank god. I
have been messing around with this for half a hour! Thank you.
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1045 [10:26:55] <Habbie> yay
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1050 [10:31:22] <Bonux> Hey, is there someone to help?
1051 [10:31:52] <EmleyMoor> Bonux: Describe your problem fully and
we might be able to
1052 [10:33:07] <Bonux> After reinstalling win10 grub booloader
dissapeared from boot menu, i'm currently in debian live gnome
(first option), my boot is ont /boot/efi and windows is bootable.
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1056 [10:34:23] <catbeard> having an issue getting logstash to
listen on tcp/udp
1057 [10:34:34] <catbeard> debian 9.5
1058 [10:35:56] <catbeard> the service starts, but no port is then
listening after i add logstash.conf per
replaced-url
1059 [10:36:20] <EmleyMoor> Bonux: Sounds like you need to get
into your Debian setup and reinstall grub... if there's no
option to do that on anything you can boot from, you could always
try a copy of Super Grub2 Disk to see if that can get you in
1060 [10:37:25] <EmleyMoor> catbeard, are you actually using
Debian?
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1062 [10:37:34] <catbeard> yes
1063 [10:37:51] <catbeard> 9.9 stretch
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1065 [10:38:37] <EmleyMoor> OK, and what is not open that you
think should be?
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1069 [10:39:08] <catbeard> EmleyMoor:
replaced-url
1070 [10:39:11] <catbeard> that part
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1072 [10:40:33] <EmleyMoor> Are you saying that netstat output
doesn't appear?
1073 [10:41:21] <catbeard> ya it doesn't have the port
specified in logstash.conf listening after restarting the service
1074 [10:41:25] <EmleyMoor> Where did you install this from?
1075 [10:41:31] <catbeard> this guide
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1077 [10:41:53] <EmleyMoor> No, not "what instructions",
where?
1078 [10:41:54] <catbeard> followed all the steps, and it worked
up until now on the logstash listening port part
1079 [10:42:06] <catbeard> install what, debian, logstash?
1080 [10:42:15] <EmleyMoor> logstash
1081 [10:42:22] <EmleyMoor> (I note it's not in Debian)
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1083 [10:42:53] <Bonux> EmleyMoor: I'm in live usb currently,
tried mounting drives, then chrooting into root partition, but there
is no grub-install or update-grub command available. I was wondering
for future is there a way to recover or reinstall boot from live
usb?
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1086 [10:43:45] <EmleyMoor> Bonux, I've never used the live
USB. I'm more familiar with the regular installer. Maybe
someone else can find a way forward for you?
1087 [10:43:55] <catbeard> Get:1
replaced-url
1088 [10:44:24] <EmleyMoor> OK, so it's a third-party
package. Where does it say it's suitable for stretch?
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1090 [10:45:00] <EmleyMoor> Actually I do see the instructions
referring to Debian
1091 [10:45:09] <catbeard> i don't guess it does,
there's actually a warning on install
1092 [10:45:11] <catbeard> Using provided startup.options file:
/etc/logstash/startup.options
1093 [10:45:13] <catbeard>
/usr/share/logstash/vendor/bundle/jruby/2.5.0/gems/pleaserun-0.0.30/lib/pleaserun/platform/base.rb:112:
warning: constant ::Fixnum is deprecated
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1099 [10:46:37] <EmleyMoor> Are you familiar with posting to a
pastebin? If so, please put your logstash.conf there, and the output
of ps aureplaced-url
1100 [10:47:01] <Bonux> EmleyMoor: I will try the grub2 iso then.
1101 [10:47:02] <EmleyMoor> (if not, may I suggest you take a look
at paste.debian.net?)
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1103 [10:47:26] <EmleyMoor> Bonux, By all means give it a try if
no-one else makes a suggestion
1104 [10:47:40] <Bonux> ;)
1105 [10:47:43] <EmleyMoor> Last time I lost my grub that's
how I fixed mine (but that was years ago!)
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1107 [10:48:16] <Bonux> Huh, i play with distros too often to last
me years.
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1112 [10:50:56] <catbeard> EmleyMoor:
replaced-url
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1117 [10:52:22] <catbeard> there it goes
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1124 [10:55:55] <EmleyMoor> Hmmm... nothing obvious. If I were you
I'd email schkn about it... this is likely not related to
Debian itself
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1145 [11:10:48] <bonux> Hey, i managed to repair my grub with
boot-repair iso. I was one click. And now grub shows even old
windows install.
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1150 [11:15:50] <humpled> weird that update-grub wasn't
available in teh chroot
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1188 [11:37:07] <francesco_> Hi. What's a good open-source
alternative to Skype, available in the debian repos?
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1193 [11:38:09] <Mathisen> francesco_,
replaced-url
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1197 [11:41:43] <francesco_> Do you have any favourite, of your
own Mathisen?
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1202 [11:42:19] <Mathisen> francesco_, signal, but i dont use
video chat
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1205 [11:43:12] <Mathisen> it will come down to what features you
want. most on that list are fine to use
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1214 [11:46:08] <francesco_> Thanks.
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1241 [12:07:30] <wuzamarine> after adding a subinterface, I can no
long restart my networking services.
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1246 [12:11:19] <ratrace> wuzamarine: that's the legacy
method, perhaps you should use the iproute method:
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1256 [12:19:20] <Ticho> oh wow, debian doesn't allow you to
set labels for the IPs unless you use the manual method?
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1266 [12:27:35] <BCMM> Mathisen: signal doesn't do voice or
video on desktop yet :(
1267 [12:28:31] <BCMM> its... very mobile-first
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1269 [12:29:11] <Mathisen> yep, and it works for me. i replaced
telegram with signal for my needs
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1273 [12:30:55] <RiverLi> hey
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1278 [12:37:01] <wuzamarine> ratrace: same error using allow
hot-plug
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1291 [12:46:34] <Ticho> wuzamarine: the point was not
allow-hotplug, but rather no longer using the :0 alias
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1294 [12:46:54] <Ticho> look again at the differences on that wiki
page
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1303 [12:49:27] <wuzamarine> Ticho: Thank you!
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1343 [13:20:43] <bune> how to join debian next
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1347 [13:21:42] <themill> !#debian-next
1348 [13:21:44] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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1350 [13:21:58] <bune> #debian-next
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1366 [13:29:00] <diogenes_> hehe i wonder who is the person in
charge to make up the code names for the upcoming releases,
they're quite funny: wheezy, stretch, buster and now bullseye
:)
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1372 [13:30:48] <_bouzu_> "Releases of the Debian
distribution have both traditional version numbers and codenames
based on characters from the Pixar/Disney movie "Toy
Story" (1995). Sid, as you may recall, was the evil neighbor
kid who broke all the toys. Additionally, the codename for the
Experimental repository, RC-Buggy, was Andy's toy car, and is a
pun on 'Release Critical' and 'Remote
Control.'" (from
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1373 [13:30:48] <_bouzu_> ses) :)
1374 [13:31:32] <didar> diogenes_: ^^^
1375 [13:32:00] <themill> (and then bookworm)
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1377 [13:32:08] <diogenes_> nice, thanks :)
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1380 [13:32:50] <diogenes_> so Sid is the evil one who breaks
everything :))
1381 [13:33:03] <didar> yep
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1383 [13:33:12] <Haohmaru> am i the only one who doesn't find
that funny? >:(
1384 [13:33:27] <themill> yes
1385 [13:33:31] <diogenes_> lol
1386 [13:33:33] <didar> second that
1387 [13:33:33] <Haohmaru> >8(
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1390 [13:36:13] <didar> I am planning to use Sid (in about 6
months) as a main GNU/Linux system.. currently I use Ubuntu LTS
16.04 as primary system, is it a good idea to go with SId?
1391 [13:36:14] <Haohmaru> well, it could've been worse, it
could've been names of pokemons x_x
1392 [13:36:51] <didar> Also, these are VMs inside VirtualBox on
Windows 10
1393 [13:37:00] <didar> Need it for some windows only software
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1395 [13:37:08] <didar> any thoughts?
1396 [13:37:27] <Haohmaru>
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1397 [13:37:48] <ralpheeee> last 3 days my laptop has shutdown
without any warning...out of the blue....how can determine what was
the root cause
1398 [13:38:19] <didar> Haohmaru, thanks for that, already read
that
1399 [13:38:32] <didar> I am looking for informed experiences
1400 [13:38:39] <diogenes_> ralpheeee, did it restart back
automatically or just shutdown?
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1402 [13:39:02] <Haohmaru> you need a computer psychologist then
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1404 [13:39:09] <ralpheeee> diogenes_: just shutdown...as if
someone pulled plug/battery out
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1406 [13:39:22] <didar> Nice
1407 [13:39:29] <diogenes_> ralpheeee, what CPU?
1408 [13:39:32] <didar> this is like being back to the 90s chat
rooms :))
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1410 [13:39:39] <_bouzu_> ralpheeee, maybe check /var/log/kern.log
for hints?
1411 [13:39:45] <ralpheeee> its an x230
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1414 [13:40:16] <themill> didar: the general rule is that if
you're asking, you probably shouldn't. There's no
real need to run sid. It's designed mostly for automated
testing as a gate against broken packages entering testing
1415 [13:40:37] <didar> so Stable + Backports then?
1416 [13:40:37] <TrentP> ralphee: I suppose with a laptop that
could be either over-heating or a failing power supply.
1417 [13:40:49] <themill> didar: yes
1418 [13:41:12] <didar> ok
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1422 [13:42:09] <ralpheeee> i have battery as well as power supply
plugged in....will go through the kernel log
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1424 [13:47:43] <ralpheeee> my debian kung fu skills sucks...
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1425 [13:48:15] <ralpheeee> cant really see anything which stands
out from kern.log
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1432 [13:49:26] <_bouzu_> ralpheeee, do you know which time your
machine crashed?
1433 [13:49:47] <ralpheeee> roughly about an hour ago
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1439 [13:54:16] <_bouzu_> ralpheeee, when there is nothing there
it may be some power connectivity issue and it just went off.
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1441 [13:54:53] <_bouzu_> i mean at that given time in the kernel
logs
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1447 [13:56:54] <HackphiL> hi there
1448 [13:57:00] <HackphiL> i to all
1449 [13:57:18] <kirk781> HackphiL, hello
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1456 [14:04:11] <HackphiL> hello kirk781
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1477 [14:27:16] <wwilliam> Hello
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1479 [14:27:26] <dvs> zzzzzzzzzz
1480 [14:28:00] <wwilliam> can anyone help with this trying to
mount the nfs share i get that I am already using the insecure flag
in /etc/exports
1481 [14:28:02] <wwilliam> mount.nfs: access denied by server
while mounting
1482 [14:28:08] <wwilliam> Thank you.
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1485 [14:28:41] <wwilliam> PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 9
(stretch)"
1486 [14:29:01] <greycat> the server has to allow your client
access in /etc/exports, using whatever name the server THINKS your
client is (at the time nfs services are started), and of course you
must run exportfs -a after adding lines in /etc/exports
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1491 [14:29:14] <lukask_> hi folks. playing around with sparc64
ldoms and i'm wondering if there are any bootable filesystem
images of debian/sparc64
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1493 [14:29:24] <wwilliam> I did that greycat
1494 [14:29:25] <lukask_> or the installer.
1495 [14:29:35] <greycat> Then you read the server logs and find
out what the problem is.
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1497 [14:29:41] <wwilliam> yes
1498 [14:29:51] <jrtc27> lukask_:
cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/
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1500 [14:30:02] <jrtc27> (/current/sparc64)
1501 [14:30:13] <wwilliam> but the solution which is to add the
insecure flat in /etc/exports is not working
1502 [14:30:15] <lukask_> oh, can they dd'd on a image?
1503 [14:30:21] <jrtc27> they're isos
1504 [14:30:32] <greycat> wwilliam: find the log message and paste
it
1505 [14:30:34] <jrtc27> should be able to just provide them to an
ldom as a cd drive
1506 [14:30:39] <wwilliam> ok
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1508 [14:30:52] <lukask_> @jrtc27 thank you! i hope that works
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1513 [14:32:24] <wwilliam> 2019-07-17T14:26:42.852231-04:00
PrismaDC rpc.mountd[10683]: refused mount request from 10.16.1.143
for /u/Prisma_U4 (/u/Prisma_U4): illegal port 64140
1514 [14:32:39] <greycat> Well, that's a new one to me.
1515 [14:32:59] <dvs> ???
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1518 [14:33:40] <jrtc27> lukask_: FYI, adding an ISO is the same
as any other vdisk, just point it at the file
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1522 [14:34:03] <jrtc27> you don't need to (and can't)
tell it to do anything different, they all look the same to the host
and guest
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1524 [14:35:03] <lukask_> @jrtc27 i'm using openbsd on the
host, not solaris. so maybe it won't work, but i'll test
it asap.
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1528 [14:36:05] <jrtc27> lukask_: shouldn't matter, should
just be relaying commands to the underlying firmware or whatever
manages these things, I think
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1530 [14:37:39] <lukask_> @jrtc27 kk. downloading right now :)
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1532 [14:38:48] <wwilliam> greycat: fixed there was another entry
in the logs:
1533 [14:38:58] <wwilliam> 2019-07-17T14:52:44.482850-04:00
PrismaDC rpc.mountd[14969]: refused mount request from 10.16.1.143
for /u/Prisma_U4 (/u/Prisma_U4): unmatched host
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1538 [14:39:24] <wwilliam> I added the subnet to /etc/exports did
exportfs -a
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1540 [14:39:29] <wwilliam> and it mounted
1541 [14:39:35] <wwilliam> thank you for your time.
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1588 [15:04:49] <lukask_> @jrtc27 seems to work! thanks!
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1606 [15:15:56] <eblip> hey if i have a usb with an iso on it and
i want to put a new debian netinstal on the usb stick, i will do it
using dd
1607 [15:16:11] <eblip> but i believe that i dont have to format
the usb to do this ..just dd the image to the usb
1608 [15:16:23] <Mathisen> eblip, that is correct
1609 [15:16:25] <Haohmaru> yes
1610 [15:16:26] <eblip> but what i want to know is what filesytem
will it be placed on if i dont specify
1611 [15:16:27] <greycat> whatever was on the device previously
will be overwritten
1612 [15:16:49] <Haohmaru> the image contains a partition table
and partitions
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1614 [15:17:00] <eblip> i mean does dd also format the dvd to vfat
or something
1615 [15:17:00] <Mathisen> eblip, the one that the image .iso .img
whatever includes
1616 [15:17:01] <greycat> dd-ing or cp-ing the image to the device
will create the disk label, the partition(s), the data inside the
partition(s), all of it, everything
1617 [15:17:03] <Haohmaru> so it's all set already
1618 [15:17:04] <babilen> You can just "cp debian.image
/dev/sdX; sync" and you're done
1619 [15:17:10] <eblip> ah ok
1620 [15:17:33] <babilen> (find cp to have nicer syntax for such
an easy "copy all")
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1622 [15:17:44] <Mathisen> babilen, huh ? does cp really work
1623 [15:17:44] <greycat> eblip: you said usb first, and then you
said dvd. they are VERY different things.
1624 [15:17:45] <eblip> dd if=file.iso of=/dev/sdh1 bs=1MB
1625 [15:17:51] <greycat> eblip: NO
1626 [15:17:55] <greycat> NOT sdh1
1627 [15:18:01] <eblip> ah just sdh
1628 [15:18:08] <dvs> /dev/sdh
1629 [15:18:12] <eblip> thanks
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1631 [15:18:22] <greycat> Mathisen: yes, and it's what the
release notes say to use.
1632 [15:18:22] <babilen> Just use cp .. no need to type all of
that or specify a (most likely) suboptimal blocksize
1633 [15:18:53] <Mathisen> i need to remember this.. and this
works for any image ?
1634 [15:19:13] <greycat> dd does the same thing as cp, except it
defaults to a block size of 512 bytes, because History
1635 [15:19:20] <Mathisen> ahh ok
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1637 [15:19:38] <benizac> ok quoi ?
1638 [15:20:29] <petn-randall> hi benizac
1639 [15:21:08] <benizac> sorry, wrong channel ;-)
1640 [15:21:26] <benizac> but hi petn-randall
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1657 [15:31:09] <alkisg> dd has a nice status=progress though :)
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1659 [15:31:26] <greycat> yeah, it's basically cp with a
bunch of extra knobs, bells and whistles
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1668 [15:36:21] * Haohmaru tweaks all teh knobs
1669 [15:37:19] <colo-work> hehe
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1677 [15:39:01] <mystictot> Hi, I'm trying to build my debian
package from package source
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1679 [15:39:15] <mystictot> i did following steps
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1681 [15:39:53] <mystictot>
replaced-url
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1687 [15:40:50] <mystictot> but after build is finished i didn;t
see any package in /var/cache/pbuilder/result/ ?
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1690 [15:41:19] <mystictot> Did I miss something ?
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1711 [15:52:19] <smev81> I think I found a bug, that has not been
reported, but I am not a long time debian user and might miss
something. Bug is: Steam can not connect.
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1715 [15:53:25] <zodd> smev81, in which *Debian package* does this
bug occure?
1716 [15:53:40] <Haohmaru> non-free steam ;P~
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1720 [15:53:43] <Toba> that is a very vague bug....
1721 [15:53:48] <Toba> Report it to Valve IMO
1722 [15:53:52] <zodd> yep
1723 [15:53:56] <Haohmaru> +1
1724 [15:54:13] <Toba> if Valve finds the problem lies with Debian
they should report that to Debian
1725 [15:54:27] <Toba> with more detail than "can't
connect"
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1727 [15:54:43] <Haohmaru> "it dun wurk"
1728 [15:55:02] <Toba> which is the most useless description of a
bug I have ever heard... but, given modern software UI trends toward
only showing the most useless error messages imaginable with no
technical details, I wouldn't be surprised if its all the info
you have
1729 [15:55:44] <Haohmaru> "we are prepairing some
things..."
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1731 [15:55:49] <Toba> For instance the (closed) android Tumblr
app says various cutesy messages like "weird connection"
and "connection went bloop" when it can't connect
1732 [15:55:49] <Haohmaru> "oops"
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1735 [15:56:15] <Toba> you get it Haohmaru :)
1736 [15:56:35] <smev81> Steam - Error: "Could not connect to
Steam network" "This could be due to a problem with your
internet connection, or with the Steam network. Please visit
replaced-url
1737 [15:56:36] <Haohmaru> yeah, i've seen crapdows10 x_x
1738 [15:56:41] <BCMM> smev81: debian developers don't have
access to the source code of steam, so they probably *can't*
fix your bug. however, how long have you had this problem/when did
you last update?
1739 [15:57:17] <BCMM> smev81: some people reported that Steam had
problems connecting after recent kernel changes to mitigate a DoS
vuln in the kernel's networking stuff
1740 [15:57:18] <smev81> I installed debian 10 and did have the
same response since the last 4 days.
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1743 [15:58:32] <Toba> BCMM: you mean the SACK patches?
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1746 [15:58:59] <BCMM> Toba: the timing approximately matched up,
but i'm not sure if i ever saw any completely clear explanation
of what was going on
1747 [15:59:14] <BCMM>
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1748 [15:59:37] <smev81>
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1749 [15:59:40] <smev81> You might be right
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1751 [16:00:33] <DevilTiger> i went to install php on my debian10
VM and wasn't paying attention and it removed my mongoDB
install. how can i find out why?
replaced-url
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1755 [16:02:45] <BCMM> smev81: thing is, it's working fine
for me on sid, but some people are still saying they have problems.
i don't know... try the -tcp thing maybe
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1758 [16:04:54] <BCMM> oh, i hadn't seen this one
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1759 [16:05:14] <jrtc27> mystictot: given debuild is the same as
pdebuild --use-pdebuild-internal, the result should be in ../
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1763 [16:07:24] <TrentP> transmission-daemon in buster works
better than the version in stretch, doesn't stall out
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1777 [16:12:11] <uRock> jmcnaught, The non-free ISO you pointing
me to yesterday did the trick. Thanks!
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1803 [16:27:07] <pyfgcr> I installed unifont, but i cannot set it
as my terminal (qterminal) font. Is it monospaced?
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1805 [16:27:29] <mystictot> jrtc27: but i get my_package.build
instead of my_package.deb
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1809 [16:28:44] <pja> The steam thing was fixed in a recent kernel
patch IIRC. I don’t know which one though & it’s
possible that it hasn’t reached the Debian stable kernel yet.
1810 [16:29:23] <mystictot> jrtc27: how could i get *.build to
*.deb package ?
1811 [16:29:31] <jrtc27> .build is the log
1812 [16:30:23] <pja> Here we go: Steam issue fix
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1813 [16:30:29] <mystictot> jrtc27: but i didn;t get any other
thing than *.build
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1815 [16:31:44] <jrtc27> yeah reading the code it looks like
`pbuilder --debuild` is just broken, there's nothing to copy
the build results back
1816 [16:32:04] <jrtc27> use `pdebuild` itself instead
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1818 [16:33:10] <pja> Steam patch is in 4.19.55, current Debian
stable kernel is 4.19.37. Hopefully in the next kernel release?
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1825 [16:35:00] <LickTheCheese> hi i installed i3wm
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1828 [16:35:35] <Haohmaru> :/
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1836 [16:40:21] <mystictot> jrtc27: I used this pdebuild
--use-pdebuild-internal --architecture arm64
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1839 [16:40:41] <mystictot> but still i don't get any debian
package after built
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1843 [16:41:51] <BCMM> it's very much not a supported option,
but one potential workaround is using the liquorix kernel repo until
debian releases a fixed version
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1845 [16:42:20] <BCMM> (for the steam thing, i mean)
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1848 [16:44:19] <Zesk> Hello, i have installed debian with preseed
and with lvm configuration. lvm2 package is shown by dpkg -l but
vgdisplay or any other relative command is not found. I don't
understand...
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1850 [16:45:04] <greycat> try /sbin/vgdisplay or
/usr/sbin/vgdisplay
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1852 [16:45:14] <jrtc27> mystictot: why are you passing
--architecture arm64?
1853 [16:45:26] <jrtc27> is your machine not arm64
1854 [16:45:26] <jrtc27> ?
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1856 [16:45:46] <mystictot> because I'm cross building for my
arm64 board
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1859 [16:46:10] <Zesk> greycat you'are right! but it usually
in PATH bi itself...
1860 [16:46:12] <tgunr> I just tried using `journalctl --grep
syncoid' and am getting
1861 [16:46:12] <tgunr> Compiled without pattern matching support
1862 [16:46:14] <tgunr> According to debian bug reports the pcre2
was enabled in buster. and thus available to journalctl.
1863 [16:46:14] <tgunr> Am I missing something?
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1865 [16:46:21] <greycat> Zesk: did you use "su"? If
so...
1866 [16:46:22] <greycat> !buster su
1867 [16:46:23] <dpkg> The <su> command changed in buster:
it no longer overrides the PATH variable. See
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1874 [16:47:19] <tgunr> !buster journalctl
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1876 [16:47:39] <Zesk> greycat this is exactly this! Incredible!
^^ thanks again
1877 [16:47:41] <jrtc27> mystictot: ok, pdebuild-internal is very
limited, it doesn't support cross building
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1879 [16:48:23] <jrtc27> and --architecture is not how you cross
build
1880 [16:48:32] <jrtc27> --architecture is how you say to use a
different architecture chroot
1881 [16:49:15] <jrtc27> I think what happened is that you used an
amd64 chroot to build amd64 packages, but pdebuild thought you
wanted arm64 so it copied back the (empty) set of arm64 packages
1882 [16:49:32] <jrtc27> and you're not cross-building
anyway, you're using a foreign emulated chroot if you did
`pbuilder --create --architecture arm64`
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1886 [16:50:14] <jrtc27> I think what you need is `pdebuild
--architecture arm64 -- --architecture arm64`
1887 [16:50:30] <jrtc27> I've been meaning to fix needing to
specify it twice, but that's the way it is at the moment unless
I'm forgetting something
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1889 [16:50:57] <jrtc27> (once to tell pdebuild what you're
building, and once after -- in the pbuilder options to tell pbuilder
the right thing too)
1890 [16:52:11] * themill would just use sbuild
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1892 [16:52:42] <mystictot> jrtc27: thanks for the clarification
but, i run this pdebuild --architecture arm64 -- --architecture
arm64 , it started to search package from debian repository and
obviously fails because package is not yet merged, its in staging
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1895 [16:53:39] <mystictot> jrtc27: and I get this error no
upstream tarball found at ..
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1898 [16:54:05] <jrtc27> um
1899 [16:54:12] <jrtc27> you're running this in the unpacked
source directory?
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1902 [16:55:19] <mystictot> jrtc27: yes, this is the link to
source
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1919 [17:02:09] <diogenes_> Hello guys, what is this new live
installer called? (looks like calamares but not sure)
1920 [17:02:51] <humpled> octopus?
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1923 [17:02:59] <greycat> calamari is squid...
1924 [17:03:06] <humpled> oh sorry
1925 [17:03:17] <annadane> calamares, yes
1926 [17:03:25] <greycat> diogenes_: I don't know what
you're talking about. Like, at all. Is it something I missed on
replaced-url
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1928 [17:04:22] <diogenes_> greycat, when you click the install on
the live isos it's a new installer that i haven't seen
before on debian.
1929 [17:04:26] <crimson_king> When i run `sudo touch test.txt
/var/run` or `sudo touch test.txt /run`, the file doesn't
appear to be there. It's gone. Touch command ends without any
output. What am I missing here?
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1931 [17:04:35] <greycat> why would anyone click an installer on a
live ...
1932 [17:04:48] <diogenes_> greycat, to install on HDD?
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1934 [17:05:13] <greycat> Debian's live image have a
historical track record of being appallingly BAD if used to attempt
an install.
1935 [17:05:55] <diogenes_> greycat, but not buster, it installed
perfectly from live image.
1936 [17:05:56] <greycat> should be fun to learn what the
particular problems with buster's are going to be...
1937 [17:06:06] <diogenes_> so is it calamares?
1938 [17:06:11] <greycat> !calamares
1939 [17:06:29] <greycat> !live
1940 [17:06:29] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built
Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can
be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from
replaced-url
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1942 [17:06:55] <diogenes_> ok let me boot a live system and make
aa screenshot
1943 [17:07:00] <jrtc27> mystictot: please paste the full output
from running pdebuild including the error
1944 [17:07:15] <greycat> It's not going to mean anything
to.... never mind, whatever, have fun making screen shots.
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1946 [17:08:15] <humpled> "calamares is an independent
installer project which offers a Qt based interface for installing a
system"
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1952 [17:09:10] <EoflaOEViceCity> I have heard about Calamares,
but why would it require SSE2?
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1955 [17:10:19] <greycat> If you want to ask technical questions
about the details of the live images, #debian-live on OFTC
(irc.debian.org) would be the place to do so.
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1957 [17:13:16] <uRock> I can attest to having multiple installs
via the live images without failure. Your mileage may vary.
1958 [17:13:33] <greycat> Well, that's good.
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1961 [17:15:55] * uRock feels blessed, lol.
1962 [17:16:53] <uRock> That's with Buster though. I
can't speak to previous versions.
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1965 [17:17:34] <jrtc27> !live
1966 [17:17:34] <dpkg> methinks live is The Debian Live project
provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of
your own. These can be used to install a Debian system (although the
installer is better to use). Live images are available from
replaced-url
1967 [17:17:50] <diogenes_> ok here it is:
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1970 [17:18:05] <diogenes_> it says welcome to calamares but the
command is: install-debian
1971 [17:18:06] <jrtc27> merged with `live stretch` and updated
because buster
1972 [17:18:08] <annadane> i don't know why calamares
(apparently?) *isn't* included in the regular debian installer
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1980 [17:20:22] <jrtc27> because debian-installer is the one that
almost all the developers support and use
1981 [17:20:28] <annadane> i guess calamares is now the de facto
debian live "installer" where it's actually intended
to now be able to install from live images
1982 [17:21:04] <annadane> yeah fair enough, i'd just assumed
they could slot it in an option somewhere
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1984 [17:21:16] <jrtc27> bloats the iso
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1986 [17:21:23] <annadane> but that'd also increase the size
of the installer, which not everyone necessisarily has the space for
1987 [17:21:25] <annadane> yeah
1988 [17:21:25] <jrtc27> netinst needs to be small
1989 [17:21:25] <mystictot> jrtc27: this is the paste
replaced-url
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1991 [17:21:34] <jrtc27> with live it's just a drop in the
ocean
1992 [17:21:44] <annadane> necessarily* oh boy my typing
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1996 [17:22:53] <humpled> "It doesn't cover all the
advanced features of debian-installer and it doesn't have an
unattended install mode either"
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1998 [17:23:02] <jrtc27> mystictot: ok there are multiple issues
here
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2000 [17:23:14] <jrtc27> you didn't get debs from anything
before because the build failed
2001 [17:23:23] <jrtc27> the build failed because build deps
weren't installable
2002 [17:23:27] <diogenes_> humpled, yes agree but it's one
step closer to make debian have a newbie friendly face.
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2004 [17:23:58] <jrtc27> build deps weren't installable
because:
2005 [17:23:58] <jrtc27> pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy : Depends:
debhelper (>= 12) but it is not going to be installed
2006 [17:24:34] <jrtc27> which is because you made a *stretch*
chroot and stretch only has debhelper 10.2.5; you need
stretch-backports for 12.1.1~bpo9+1
2007 [17:24:53] <diogenes_> btw guys, before i start the research,
is there any way to make a bootable iso snapshot+installer from your
currently running system and excluding of course Documents Downloads
and so on?
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2011 [17:25:20] <jrtc27> mystictot: do you want to build for
stretch, buster or unstable?
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2013 [17:26:27] <humpled> there is or used to be a thing called
refracta/refractasnapshots diogenes_
2014 [17:26:46] <mystictot> jrtc27: I would like proceed with
buster.
2015 [17:26:46] <diogenes_> humpled, thanks, will look into that.
2016 [17:27:01] <jrtc27> mystictot: that makes things easier
because buster has debhelper 12.1.1
2017 [17:27:15] <humpled> and before that remastersys, these
things seem to come and go like multi-boot usb creators
2018 [17:27:23] <jrtc27> you should remove your
/var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz and do a `pbuilder create
--distribution buster --architecture arm64`
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2023 [17:30:18] <diogenes_> jrtc27, that was for me or mystictot ?
2024 [17:30:28] <jrtc27> not you
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2026 [17:31:11] <mystictot> jrtc27: would it cause problems if
directly run `pbuilder create --distribution buster --architecture
arm64` without removing /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz
2027 [17:31:31] <jrtc27> it should give you an error that the file
already exists
2028 [17:31:39] <jrtc27> I don't know if it does that before
or after debootstrap runs
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2032 [17:32:37] <jrtc27> although actually maybe it will just work
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2034 [17:32:43] <jrtc27> safest to just delete it thogh
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2044 [17:41:28] <pyfgcr> sorry for bunping, but my question was
probably lost in the discussion above:
2045 [17:41:40] <pyfgcr> I installed unifont, but i cannot set it
as my terminal (qterminal) font. Is it monospaced?
2046 [17:42:24] <pyfgcr> I see a monospace section in
/etc/fonts/conf.d/69-unifont.conf
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2048 [17:43:17] <pyfgcr> but it says <prefer>
<family>FreeMono</family> </prefer>
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2091 [18:05:45] <expert975> Is GFDL with no invariant sections
considered free by debian?
2092 [18:07:08] <jmcnaught> !gfdl
2093 [18:07:08] <dpkg> [gfdl] The GNU "Free"
Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some
cases. Read the discussion at
replaced-url
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2095 [18:07:43] <jmcnaught> expert975: ^ some GFDL stuff is in the
non-free section
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2097 [18:08:24] <annadane> notably emacs-common-non-dfsg (the
emacs manual)
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2099 [18:08:43] <expert975> jmcnaught: Didn't the vote in
2004 decide to consider GFDL with no invariant sections free?
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2101 [18:09:59] <expert975> I'm looking at make-doc and
it's at non-free, even though it it has no invariant sections
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2103 [18:11:05] <jmcnaught> expert975: I'm not an expert on
the subject I'm just aware of the factoid
2104 [18:11:52] <expert975> It seems to me that make-doc should be
in main
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2121 [18:20:28] <expert975> Feels bad being tempted to add the
non-free repository just to get a package that seems to have its
place in main
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2123 [18:20:54] <dvs> expert975, what's wrong with non-free?
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2125 [18:21:16] <expert975> dvs: it contains non-free software
2126 [18:21:29] <dvs> oh... a purist. ;-)
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2132 [18:22:38] <BCMM> expert975: it's not like your free
packages will get quietly updated with non-free replacements or
anything
2133 [18:22:39] <jmcnaught> expert975: you could just download
make-doc as a .deb and use dpkg to install it without adding the
repository
2134 [18:22:50] <jmcnaught> expert975:
replaced-url
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2140 [18:24:51] <BCMM> expert975: you'll just get the
packages that you choose to install... and anyway, make-doc
*doesn't* belong in free. it isn't DFSG-compliant.
2141 [18:25:20] <expert975> BCMM: why isn't it
DFSG-compliant?
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2143 [18:25:59] <BCMM> expert975: because it's under the GFDL
license
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2147 [18:26:42] <expert975> !gfdl
2148 [18:26:43] <dpkg> [gfdl] The GNU "Free"
Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some
cases. Read the discussion at
replaced-url
2149 [18:27:02] <expert975> GDFL has its problems, but by itself
it not considered non-free
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2151 [18:27:36] <expert975> See the vote
2152 [18:28:16] <expert975> It states: "GFDL-licensed works
without unmodifiable sections are free"
2153 [18:28:35] <BCMM> expert975: is the make documentation free
of invariant sections?
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2155 [18:29:05] <BCMM> (i was going to mention the IS problem.
packages in main are licensed in a way that *allows debian
developers to fix them*. the GFDL does not always allow that)
2156 [18:29:18] <jhutchins_wk> expert975: So if you don't
object to the license, either download the package and install it or
enable non-free, install it, and maybe disable non-free.
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2159 [18:29:35] <expert975> Make's license states "with
no Invariant Sections"
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2161 [18:30:15] <expert975>
replaced-url
2162 [18:30:29] <BCMM> expert975: by the way, where are you
getting the notion that it's considered free by debian,
assuming no IS?
2163 [18:30:49] <BCMM>
replaced-url
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2165 [18:31:18] <expert975> BCMM: See the winning proposition, it
says exactly that
2166 [18:31:53] <BCMM> ah, i clearly don't understand the
Condorcet method
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2171 [18:32:35] <expert975> BCMM: No need, it reveals the winner
at the bottom of the page
2172 [18:33:08] <expert975> BCMM: search for "Outcome"
2173 [18:33:39] <BCMM> expert975: well, if that package is
actually dfsg compliant, i guess somebody could file a bug about
having it moved?
2174 [18:34:19] <expert975> BCMM: I suppose so, it really seems
like some misunderstanding
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2177 [18:34:36] <expert975> BCMM: what's the procedure for a
bug report in Debian?
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2181 [18:36:09] <expert975> BCMM: can I simply run reportbug and
read on?
2182 [18:36:26] <BCMM> hmm, upstream really does seem to quite
clearly state there are no invariant sections. i stand corrected.
2183 [18:36:27] <greycat> !bts
2184 [18:36:28] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages,
replaced-url
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2212 [19:02:17] <expert975> It seems that the reason for having
make-doc in non-free is that its license fixes a sentence as the
back cover: "You have the freedom to copy and modify this GNU
manual. Buying copies from the FSF supports it in developing GNU and
promoting software freedom." and for front cover: "A GNU
Manual,". Oh, well
2213 [19:02:23] <berndj> alkisg, thanks. i ended up going the ar
xv & tar -xzf route on the cached .deb files. but damn, i'm
sure i remember using some command to get at the scripts more
conveniently
2214 [19:03:00] <wwilliam> is it ok to delete the contents of
/var/cache?
2215 [19:03:27] <berndj> i was actually huntingdown what went
wrong while updating some random packages, and during the
"Setting up <package>" phase, i found some error
about some connection timing out
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2217 [19:04:12] <greycat> wwilliam: in theory, things that use
those contents are supposed to be able to function without them, or
to regenerate the contents. But your question is extremely worrying.
2218 [19:04:40] <wwilliam> thank you.
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2241 [19:13:05] <petn-randall> fsvo "extremly worrying".
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2249 [19:17:51] <SerajewelKS> is there a way to alias fonts for my
user? for example, many websites and electron applications want to
use arial, but i'd prefer to use dejavu sans instead. is there
a way to alias arial to "become" dejavu sans for my user
only?
2250 [19:18:13] <SerajewelKS> i feel like something changed in
this regard in buster
2251 [19:18:21] <greycat> sounds like a thing you'd use
fontconfig to do
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2253 [19:18:44] <SerajewelKS> isn't that system-wide?
2254 [19:18:54] <greycat> not if you do it in your ~/.fontconfig/
2255 [19:19:01] <SerajewelKS> ah
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2261 [19:21:24] <SerajewelKS> looks like it's
~/.config/fontconfig
2262 [19:21:50] <greycat> I guess that explains why all the files
in my ~/.fontconfig/ are dated 2012-2013
2263 [19:22:05] <greycat> nope, some as new as 2015
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2271 [19:23:24] <jhutchins_wk> I think at least KDE has a font
config gui.
2272 [19:23:28] <greycat> Anyway, all sensible unix programs are
configured at the user level. If something can *only* be done
system-wide, it probably didn't come from a unix person.
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2275 [19:24:06] <jhutchins_wk> SerajewelKS: Decent web sites will
use generic definitions like "san-serif".
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2277 [19:24:47] <SerajewelKS> jhutchins_wk: yep. these don't.
:(
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2280 [19:25:38] <SerajewelKS> thanks for that tip greycat, holy
hell this is much better
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2392 [20:25:26] <maxm3232> hey
2393 [20:25:33] <maxm3232> can I ask questions related to postfix
here?
2394 [20:25:35] <dvs> ho
2395 [20:26:22] <greycat> You can ask. Some people here use it and
may know the basics. If it becomes too postfix-detailed we might
recommend you ask #postfix instead.
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2405 [20:29:24] <maxm3232> I get the message "#postfix
:Cannot send to nick/channel" when I try to send messages in
#postfix
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2409 [20:29:47] <Habbie> that's not a postfix question
2410 [20:29:50] <Habbie> that's an irc question
2411 [20:30:01] <greycat> You're not registered with
nickserv, which might be relevant.
2412 [20:30:08] <dvs> Habbie, I think maxm3232 was trying to ask
the question in #postfix
2413 [20:30:14] <greycat> Lots of channels these days require
registration because we've had a LOT of spammers.
2414 [20:30:23] <maxm3232> Ah okay, thanks.
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2416 [20:30:26] <Habbie> dvs, oh, right, like that
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2426 [20:39:55] <mrtaco> I just upgraded from Debian 9 stretch to
Debian 9 buster and have noticed my right mouse click context
menu--when clicking on the desktop has changed. I used to have
'open terminal here' and it's no longer there. anyone
know how to restore it? running debian 10 buster xfdesktop 4.12.4
and thunar 1.6.11. when I was running stretch the right click h
2427 [20:39:56] <mrtaco> ad the open terminal right click on
desktop. that was running xfdesktop 4.12.3 and thunar 1.6.11. The
right click is there within thunar window, but not when you right
click on desktop. anyone know?
2428 [20:40:16] <mrtaco> er..deb 10 buster ^^
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2499 [21:20:36] <kreyren> what is the debian way to solve this
issue
replaced-url
2500 [21:20:48] <kreyren> expecting to get
replaced-url
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2506 [21:23:52] <kreyren> fixed: zlib1g-dev is required
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2515 [21:25:56] <peterfarge> I have a Kingston DataTraveler 3.0
with 32GB printed on it (3 years old). But fdisk says it only has
31.004.295.168 bytes or 29GiB. Is it the normal loss due to memory
wear?
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2519 [21:28:46] <humpled> believe it or not, it's due to the
difference between gigabytes and gigibytes
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2522 [21:29:42] <noln> Memory does not "shrink". Worst
case, it gives IO error when reading or writing.
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2528 [21:31:45] <lsjet> Many years ago, storage manufacturers
realized they could print bigger numbers on product boxes if they
used powers of 10 instead of powers of two. Thus, GB came to mean
100^3 instead of 1024^3 bytes
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2530 [21:32:09] <lsjet> 1000^3 bytes, not 100^3. typo
2531 [21:32:25] <greycat> Yeah, we all got that part, but why does
it report 31 004 295 168 instead of 32 000 000 123 or whatever, I
think is the question.
2532 [21:32:28] <alkisg> I think the beginning was "kilo is
already standarized and means 1000, not 2^10"
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2534 [21:32:40] <peterfarge> humpled: I know this. But 32GB should
be 32.000.000.000 and not 31.004.295.168.
2535 [21:32:51] <lsjet> With computers, kilo always meant 1024
until the late nineties
2536 [21:33:00] <alkisg> Yes, that was a violation
2537 [21:33:01] <greycat> lsjet: we're the choir. stop
preaching.
2538 [21:33:08] <lsjet> It was retroactively defined to mean 1000
to match the usage elsewhere
2539 [21:33:13] <alkisg> kilo is a greek word that means a
thousand :)
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2541 [21:33:38] <lsjet> words mean what they are used to
mean...they have no independent truth
2542 [21:33:44] <greycat> peterfarge: sorry, if I knew the answer,
I would have given it, if only to stop the irrelevant complete MISS
that's going on
2543 [21:33:51] <EmleyMoor> Kibi is floating around for 1024
2544 [21:33:55] <alkisg> Yup, it meant 1000 since around 20000
bc... :)
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2548 [21:34:17] <lsjet> Yes, until computers were invented
2549 [21:34:29] <lsjet> then, when talking about computer, it
means 1024
2550 [21:34:31] <alkisg> Yup, so only just a few years of
violation, fortunately it was fixed
2551 [21:34:56] <lsjet> kilo-1024. always will
2552 [21:35:22] <alkisg> That misunderstanding was fixed with kibi
2553 [21:35:39] <alkisg> No point in insisting, it's already
standarized now
2554 [21:35:46] <lsjet> it was a marketing hack
2555 [21:35:57] <alkisg> I think the marketing was the result
2556 [21:36:00] <greycat> "Why does my car have 5
tires?" "Here's a history of numbers...."
2557 [21:36:00] <alkisg> Not the reason
2558 [21:36:03] <whislock> kilo = 1000 per SI. kibi = 1024 per
IEC.
2559 [21:36:05] <whislock> Let's move on.
2560 [21:36:11] <lsjet> decades of programmers used kilo=1024.
They are not wrong
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2563 [21:36:35] <alkisg> They were, and that was corrected later
on
2564 [21:36:39] <whislock> And this abiguity was resolved 21 years
ago.
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2566 [21:37:00] <lsjet> lol keep believeing that
2567 [21:37:06] <alkisg> Also, for thousands of years the earth
was flat; that was corrected as well
2568 [21:37:17] <humpled> the ambiguity always exists, you never
know where it's applied and you never get what it says on the
box
2569 [21:37:20] <whislock> IEC 60027-2. Go forth, read, and
educate yourself.
2570 [21:37:28] <whislock> humpled: You get EXACTLY what it says
on the box.
2571 [21:37:43] <whislock> GB != GiB.
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2574 [21:38:05] <Ede|Popede> peterfarge: i got the impression that
the bigger they get the less they have the printed capacity. used to
be clearly more for my old, small ones, and is clearly less for my
32GB ones
2575 [21:38:08] <greycat> OK, now you've all stated stuff
that everyone here already knew and wasted 10 minutes... can you
please re-read his actual question now?
2576 [21:38:18] <lsjet> Yeah - GB = 1024^3. GiB - used by people
who don't know better and by marketing departments
2577 [21:38:23] <greycat> *sigh*
2578 [21:38:27] <alkisg> Eh, but now more people participate in
the chat :P
2579 [21:38:33] <alkisg> OK OK /me shuts up :D
2580 [21:38:40] * kreyren facepalms
2581 [21:38:43] <Habbie> my '1TB' SSD is 953.87 GiB
2582 [21:38:45] <whislock> lsjet: GB = 1000^3. GiB - literally a
fscking standard.
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2584 [21:38:56] <peterfarge> greycat: Thanks. In the USB device is
a controller that cuts of the broken cells. The memory shrink could
be this, but a whole GB is lost. I only use it to transfer data from
one computer to another.
2585 [21:39:13] <n00buser> hey guys, just did apt upgrade and my
laptop doesn't start anymore. looks like initrd is missing
grep, because it's where dmraid-activate script fails. how to
fix?
2586 [21:39:13] <lsjet> Lots of things are standards, like MS
Office documents. It means fucking nothing
2587 [21:39:27] <lsjet> except someone paid some money to a
standards body
2588 [21:39:28] <noln> in what century did people mean 1024 by
"kilometer"
2589 [21:39:40] <Habbie> peterfarge, i don't think such
devices show themselves as smaller over time due to wear or loss
2590 [21:40:02] <jmcnaught> peterfarge: ##hardware might be a good
place to task
2591 [21:40:06] <kreyren> Habbie, afaik disks have reserved
filesystem that is protected by onboard logic for the usecase of
windows bootloader
2592 [21:40:06] <jmcnaught> err ask
2593 [21:40:09] <alkisg> peterfarge: I've seen 16 GB USB
sticks have from 15000000 to 17000000; I think they just don't
care a lot about precision
2594 [21:40:23] <peterfarge> Habbie: At your devices its the same?
I whole GB is lost after some years?
2595 [21:40:26] <Habbie> kreyren, that i don't know
2596 [21:40:31] <kreyren> Habbie, -> thats why your SSD has 900
something GB
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2598 [21:40:32] <Habbie> peterfarge, no, i'm saying that does
-not- happen
2599 [21:40:36] <Habbie> peterfarge, device sizes don't
change
2600 [21:40:56] <alkisg> peterfarge: this does NOT depend on the
years; it just varies based on the manufacturer etc
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2602 [21:41:06] <n00buser> so apt update literally broke my
installation
2603 [21:41:07] <kreyren> Habbie, thats what i was told and what i
understand is a thing based on personal experience let me know if
you find other explanation
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2605 [21:41:25] <Habbie> kreyren, no, my SSD has 953.87 GiB
because 1000 and 1024 have been mixed up in the process of designing
it
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2607 [21:41:33] <kreyren> Habbie, doubt
2608 [21:41:37] <peterfarge> ok
2609 [21:41:38] <Ede|Popede> alkisg: or they lose during the
production process if it has to be cheap. only i have nothing to
compare, i don't go for platinum level with hardware.
2610 [21:41:38] <greycat> "apt update" doesn't
actually do anything except change the files in /var/lib/apt/lists/
2611 [21:41:50] <Habbie> kreyren, do you have a source for your
claim?
2612 [21:42:13] <jmcnaught> n00buser: were you upgrading from
stretch to buster what does dm-raid say when it fails?
2613 [21:42:16] <kreyren> Habbie, annoying IT teacher with gentoo
user attitude xD *quick searching*
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2616 [21:42:50] <mrtaco> anyone here running debian 10 with xcfe?
its missing right click context menu when you click on the desktop.
within thunar its fine. anyone else having this issue?
2617 [21:43:12] <n00buser> jmcnaught, /sbin/dmraid-activate: 226:
grep: not found
2618 [21:43:32] <mrtaco> debian 9 it was there. and cant figure
out how if possible to bring it back.
2619 [21:43:33] <jmcnaught> n00buser: did apt tell you that it was
removing packages?
2620 [21:44:00] <n00buser> jmcnaught, i don't think so
2621 [21:44:56] <alkisg> n00buser: if you type "grep" in
a terminal, it says "not found" ?
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2624 [21:45:25] <n00buser> alkisg, yes, it's missing in
initrd
2625 [21:45:37] <alkisg> That's strange, it should be
provided by busybox
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2627 [21:46:10] <n00buser> it also kept my old kernel
2628 [21:46:27] <n00buser> so i'm not sure what was updated
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2631 [21:48:05] <alkisg> n00buser: do you have busybox installed?
2632 [21:48:48] <n00buser> alkisg, i don't think so. how to
check?
2633 [21:49:09] <alkisg> dpkg -l buxybox
2634 [21:49:09] <dpkg> No packages found matching buxybox
2635 [21:49:10] <jmcnaught> n00buser: does it drop you into a
shell in the initrd? You might need to boot from a live disk,
assemble your RAID, do bind mounts for /dev /proc /sys, chroot, and
then 'update-initramfs -u' to fix it
2636 [21:49:12] <alkisg> busybox
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2638 [21:49:26] <greycat> I can confirm that usr/bin/grep is in
the initrd.img* files on my system.
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2640 [21:49:42] <alkisg> Yes, it should be a sym/hardlink to
busybox
2641 [21:49:44] <greycat> well, usr/bin/grep in the 4.19 one,
bin/grep in the 4.9 one
2642 [21:49:58] <kreyren> Habbie, mb you are correct it's
convension from wrong metrics that manufacturers likes to use,
thanks for sanity check.. so far everything i was told by that
teacher was wrong xD
2643 [21:50:12] <azeem> so a usrmerge issue?
2644 [21:50:28] <greycat> azeem: he seems to be saying he
doesn't have EITHER
2645 [21:50:44] <alkisg> n00buser: do you get a busybox shell when
the initramfs fails?
2646 [21:50:49] <greycat> although it's really damned hard to
tell what he's saying because there keeps not being any details
2647 [21:51:00] <noln> and what's the version number printed
above the shell prompt?
2648 [21:51:16] <jhutchins_wk> grep is provided by grep.
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2650 [21:51:23] <alkisg> In the initramfs?
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2652 [21:52:16] <n00buser> ok, looks like busybox is broken.
during 'update-initramfs -u' i got /bin/busybox: error
while loading shared libraries: libbfd-2.25-system.so: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory
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2658 [21:53:19] <jmcnaught> n00buser: I don't think you can
repair the initrd from within the initrd. Does GRUB have an older
kernel it can boot from?
2659 [21:53:55] <alkisg> n00buser: update-initramfs -u might be
trying to generate the host kernel,not the chroot kernel
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2661 [21:54:08] <alkisg> You might need -k for the chroot kernel;
are you booted with a live cd currently?
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2664 [21:55:13] <n00buser> jmcnaught, i'm already in recovery
mode and chrooted into my system
2665 [21:55:22] <jim> hi, trying to help someone who's using
a buster netinstall (or will when he downloads it)... looking at the
buster release notes, I found the upgrade steps, but not the
netinstall steps... where are those?
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2668 [21:55:42] <greycat> so you're saying that in your
NORMAL system, you can't run /bin/busybox?
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2670 [21:56:17] * alkisg notes that he has no libbfd installed in his
buster box, and yet busybox runs fine
2671 [21:56:17] <n00buser> greycat, yes, in chrooted system i
can't generate initrd
2672 [21:56:43] <n00buser> probably binutils are broken
2673 [21:56:46] <mrtaco> jim: the installion should guide you on
choosing a mirror and it will download and install the packages.
2674 [21:57:11] <n00buser> how in recovery mode add nameservers?
2675 [21:57:13] <mrtaco> jim: its just a bare bones distro to boot
and then download whats needed vs on the media/iso
2676 [21:57:15] <alkisg> n00buser: try just running `busybox`
without update-initramfs, does it run?
2677 [21:57:18] <greycat> He mentioned libbfd-2.25 which does not
seem to be either stretch *or* buster based on my own sytems here.
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2682 [21:57:57] <n00buser> alkisg, same error about
libbfd-2.25-system.so
2683 [21:58:05] <Habbie> ,v libbfd
2684 [21:58:07] <judd> No package named 'libbfd' was
found in amd64.
2685 [21:58:13] <alkisg> n00buser: which distro/version is this?
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2687 [21:58:40] <n00buser> debian 10 buster
2688 [21:58:57] <greycat> libbinutils:amd64:
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libbfd-2.31.1-system.so
2689 [21:58:57] <Habbie> ,v libbinutils
2690 [21:58:58] <judd> Package: libbinutils on amd64 -- bullseye:
2.31.1-16; buster: 2.31.1-16; sid: 2.32.51.20190707-1
2691 [21:59:02] <jim> mrtaco, yes, I'm aware :) I just need
an install guide (rignt now not an upgrade guide)
2692 [21:59:52] <jmcnaught> jim:
replaced-url
2693 [22:00:20] <greycat> n00buser: is it possible your busybox is
*not* from Debian?
2694 [22:00:49] <greycat> in any event, it sounds like
reinstalling busybox would be the absolute minimal starting point
2695 [22:00:53] <n00buser> guys, plz tell me how to add
nameservers in recovery mode? it won't allow me to edit
/etc/resolv.conf
2696 [22:01:05] <jim> jmcnaught, perfect :) thanks
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2698 [22:01:18] <n00buser> greycat, maybe it is from previous
version?
2699 [22:01:35] <greycat> the stretch system I checked has
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libbfd-2.28-system.so
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2701 [22:01:36] <alkisg> n00buser: binutils 2.25 could be from
jessie...
2702 [22:01:45] <mrtaco> anyone here using xcfe in debian 10?
debian 9 had open terminal here if you clicked on desktop but not
anymore.
2703 [22:01:46] <n00buser> ahhhhh
2704 [22:01:47] <alkisg> Was it upgraded from jessie too?
2705 [22:01:48] <greycat> you are making it incredibly difficult
to figure out what you are *actually* running
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2707 [22:02:02] <n00buser> alkisg, yes, i think so
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2711 [22:02:47] <n00buser> greycat, i'm not sure myself.
lsb_release -a shows debian 10 buster
2712 [22:02:56] <greycat> the jessie system I just checked has no
libbfd except a backup copy from before it was even jessie, or from
another system, or something, I dunno
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2714 [22:03:33] <alkisg>
replaced-url
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2717 [22:04:01] <alkisg> The weird things is why is it searching
for that if it's not even there
2718 [22:04:01] <greycat> Interesting. Maybe jessie only had a
non-shared library version of it?
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2722 [22:04:43] <alkisg> n00buser: do you see anything in this
command? dpkg -l '*binutil*'
2723 [22:05:05] <noln> it's in jessie's binutils,
according to
replaced-url
2724 [22:05:35] <n00buser> alkisg, binutils 2.28-5 amd64
2725 [22:05:51] <greycat> noln: hmm, well, the jessie system I
checked doesn't have binutils installed, so there's that.
2726 [22:06:07] <alkisg> Hrmm, if you try to purge it, does it
remove just that, or a lot of stuff?
2727 [22:06:16] <alkisg> (don't actually purge it if it
removes a lot)
2728 [22:06:18] <greycat> 2.28 is a stretch version, ok, fine, but
why is your busybox looking for 2.25?
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2730 [22:06:43] <alkisg> Maybe two broken updates, once from
jessie and one from stretch :D
2731 [22:07:06] <greycat> could be
2732 [22:07:26] <alkisg> apt purge --auto-remove binutils ==>
press no if it removes a lot
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2736 [22:07:47] <n00buser> purge removes a lot including kernel
headers, drivers etc
2737 [22:08:37] <alkisg> ls -l /etc/resolv.conf ==> shows you
if it's a symlink
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2740 [22:08:57] <alkisg> If it's a symlink to a non existing
dir (e.g. /run/systemd), create it to be able to temporarily edit it
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2742 [22:09:05] <greycat> or remove the symlink
2743 [22:09:12] <noln> why is your busybox looking for binutils?
jessie's package does not depend on it, and `ldd /bin/busybox`
on Stretch does not, in fact, list libbfd-*
2744 [22:09:32] <greycat> noln: I was wondering that as well. It
really feels like an alien busybox.
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2746 [22:09:49] <alkisg> dpkg -l busybox
2747 [22:09:49] <dpkg> No packages found matching busybox
2748 [22:09:59] <alkisg> n00buser: what's the result of that,
dpkg -l busybox
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2752 [22:10:45] <n00buser> alkisg, symlink points to non-existent
file
2753 [22:10:51] <greycat> remove it
2754 [22:11:18] <greycat> if network-freaking-manager wants to
recreate that next time you boot for realsies, it can
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2756 [22:11:42] <alkisg> I think nothing will recreate the
symlink, he'll need to do it himself if he ever changes
networks
2757 [22:12:32] <greycat> we should be so lucky
2758 [22:13:38] <greycat> near as I can tell, the entire default
Debian infrastructure is built to make it impossible to edit your
own resolv.conf file like a normal unix sys admin, without jumping
through hoops, and if you install a Desktop Environment, those hoops
are not only on fire, but they SHRINK
2759 [22:13:44] <n00buser> ok, just did: apt install libbfd*
2760 [22:14:17] <n00buser> same error
2761 [22:14:20] <n00buser> :(
2762 [22:14:24] <alkisg> (11:09:59 PM) alkisg: n00buser:
what's the result of that, dpkg -l busybox
2763 [22:14:52] <greycat> he's too busy typing random things
that can't possibly work
2764 [22:15:07] <n00buser> ii busybox 1:1.22.0-19+b3 amd64
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2766 [22:15:22] <alkisg> ...wth is that...
2767 [22:15:28] <greycat> ,v busybox
2768 [22:15:29] <judd> Package: busybox on amd64 -- jessie:
1:1.22.0-9+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:1.22.0-9+deb8u4; stretch:
1:1.22.0-19+b3; bullseye: 1:1.30.1-4; buster: 1:1.30.1-4; sid:
1:1.30.1-4
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2770 [22:15:31] <greycat> stretch version
2771 [22:16:12] <alkisg> n00buser: I think your upgrade was cut in
the middle and you need to finish it
2772 [22:16:17] <greycat> so at the very least it's some sort
of stretch/buster hybrid, possibly even more mismatched pieces
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2774 [22:17:16] <n00buser> ok, i updated busybox and was able to
generate image
2775 [22:17:23] <n00buser> let's see now
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2779 [22:17:51] <Kali_Yuga> Hello, I installed debian and it said
installation finished. after reboot I got the Message: Error 1962:
No Operating system found. Press any key to repeat boot sequence. I
also noticed that the Debian Installer did not ask for the grub
partition before telling me that the installation was finished
2780 [22:18:13] <petn-randall> Kali_Yuga: Did you install Kali?
2781 [22:18:21] <Kali_Yuga> No Debian
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2783 [22:18:44] <petn-randall> Kali_Yuga: Ah, ok. How did you
prepare the installation image?
2784 [22:18:54] <Kali_Yuga> On a stick
2785 [22:19:03] <petn-randall> Sure, but how exactly?
2786 [22:19:07] <n00buser> alkisg, greycat, jmcnaught: thanks a
lot guys, problem solved (for now)
2787 [22:19:14] <Kali_Yuga> with the sudo dd command
2788 [22:19:37] <petn-randall> Can you paste the exact commmand
you used?
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2790 [22:19:49] <Kali_Yuga> The live enviroment also looked fine
and I verified the iso file prior to installing
2791 [22:19:57] <alkisg> yw
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2793 [22:20:40] <Kali_Yuga> petn-randall: I used the wrong one
yesterday and I got help here. They've also helped me setting
it up using the right command
2794 [22:20:59] <n00buser> one more thing. i have a laptop with
intel sata raid and i'm using dmraid, as suggested here:
replaced-url
2795 [22:21:42] <n00buser> and there is a problem when i install
mdadm and reboot
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2799 [22:22:05] <n00buser> system is not able to work with both
dmraid and mdadm
2800 [22:22:06] <Kali_Yuga> sudo Can I fix grub or do I need to
make a new image and start over?
2801 [22:22:15] <Kali_Yuga> Can I fix grub or do I need to make a
new image and start over?
2802 [22:22:16] <n00buser> *to boot
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2804 [22:22:33] <n00buser> so when i remove mdadm i boots as
expected
2805 [22:22:57] <n00buser> where can i report that bug?
2806 [22:23:08] <petn-randall> Kali_Yuga: While sudo helps with
many requests, it won't work in here ;)
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2809 [22:23:23] <petn-randall> Kali_Yuga: You should be able to
restore, given that it set up things right.
2810 [22:23:34] <petn-randall> Kali_Yuga: I'm thinking that
maybe UEFI/legacy BIOS might be the issue here.
2811 [22:23:55] <petn-randall> Kali_Yuga: Do you have a current
EFI that can fall back to legacy BIOS? Do you have another OS
installed?
2812 [22:24:34] <Kali_Yuga> No I don't have another OS
installed, I can fall back to legacy
2813 [22:25:02] <Kali_Yuga> will do
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2815 [22:26:00] <tgunr> Could use some advice... I have my
Debian10 boot disk on a drive with 4 partition BIOS boot, EFI, ZFS
bpool, & ZFS cpool. I wish to maintain a duplicate backup so I
recreated the partition map `sfdisk -d /dev/sdi|sfdisk
/dev/sdl' and now have the duplicate partition table e.g. UUID
are same on both. Should I randomize the UUID on the backup drive?
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2817 [22:27:21] <Kali_Yuga> petn-randall: Well it did something
but now I am getting The Intel (R) Boot Agent :/
2818 [22:27:24] <Habbie> tgunr, i'm no expert but duplicate
UUIDs sound bad to me
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2820 [22:28:10] <tgunr> that’s my thought but as I have not
done this before was wondering....
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2822 [22:28:19] <noln> tgunr, the PARTUUID can be used in fstab if
I recall correctly, so I'd say change them for random apps
assuming they are different
2823 [22:28:56] <tgunr> Dont use fstab in a ZFS system except for
legacy mountpoints
2824 [22:29:09] <sasdsad> i am having some fun today installing
debian netinstall, ive got a running terminal, but it wont detect my
usb dongle, cant make a manual install because i have no make
installed, trying to tether my phone wifi and i get as far as ifup
the device and it just sits on listening and never connects -_-
2825 [22:29:14] <ryouma> tgunr: create the fses then use those
uuid
2826 [22:29:20] <sasdsad> usb wifi dongle
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2829 [22:29:59] <noln> tgunr, my point is a counterexample
suffices to prove that userspace assumes they are different
2830 [22:30:13] <tgunr> ok, i think the zfs import will be doing
that on the 2 pool partitions, I probably will need to randomize the
BIOS and EFI parts
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2833 [22:30:44] <ryouma> uuid is fs uuid or luks id. if you ahve
gpt then partuuid could work. idk when wwn is used.
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2835 [22:30:56] <tgunr> cc
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2838 [22:31:31] <ryouma> but beware possible bugs in booting where
initramfs forgets about the symlinks etc.
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2840 [22:31:54] <tgunr> sasdsad: don't you need a PXE server
to do netinstall?
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2844 [22:32:57] <joepublic> sasdsad, many usb wifi dongles require
nonfree firmware. h-node.org is a resource to find ones that
don't.
2845 [22:33:03] <tgunr> as i recall once the device issues a DHCP
discover the dhcp server tell the client where to go listen
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2848 [22:33:53] <noln> a netinstall downloads the packages from
the mirror during the installation procedure, does not involve pxe
2849 [22:34:28] <sasdsad> just did a minimal no network install,
figuring i would manually connect after and update -_- regret
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2853 [22:35:05] <sasdsad> seeing if i can go back and rescue mode
install extra packages, as the boot usb has better internet support
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2857 [22:36:23] <Kali_Yuga> but still getting the same error...
2858 [22:36:37] <karlpinc> sasdsad: I seem to recall that the
non-netinstall sets up /etc/apt/sources.list so that it continues to
get packages from a dvd (or whatever the original install media is).
It may be that you just need to update your sources.list to get
packages from the net. (Of course, if the network does not work...)
2859 [22:37:05] <karlpinc> !firmware images
2860 [22:37:05] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available
from
replaced-url
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2864 [22:37:31] <petn-randall> Kali_Yuga: Then disable any kind of
legacy boot (including "CSM mode" IIRC), and reinstall.
2865 [22:37:33] <karlpinc> anaemic: It can be very useful to use
the above unofficial installer, so your hardware has the firmware it
needs to operate.
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2867 [22:37:58] <petn-randall> Kali_Yuga: It might be possible
that the installer booted in legacy mode, but your firmware is
trying to boot the system in EFI mode.
2868 [22:38:20] <roylaprattep> syslogin_perform_logout: logout()
returned an error
2869 [22:38:21] <roylaprattep> i have this error from sshd
2870 [22:38:36] <roylaprattep> sorry, ive been disconnected, dunno
if you received my messages
2871 [22:38:57] <anaemic> hmm, recovery mode has clarified im
missing rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw
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2879 [22:42:50] <noln> rtl8168e-3.fw is in package
firmware-realtek
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2889 [22:47:19] <jhutchins_wk> anaemic: ... which is in non-free
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2891 [22:48:36] <Kali_Yuga> petn-randall: still cannot boot,
I'm using the live enviroment to try to reinstall grub somehow
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2894 [22:49:29] <jhutchins_wk> !fixgrub
2895 [22:49:29] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your
Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2),
mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ;
mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ;
mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target),
run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub
&& grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue
mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
2896 [22:49:56] <petn-randall> Kali_Yuga: You can't boot the
installer in EFI mode?
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2898 [22:50:41] <Kali_Yuga> petn-randall: No, the installer seems
fine and boots into efi
2899 [22:50:43] <jhutchins_wk> I think that's what the Intel
boot agent message is.
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2901 [22:51:10] <jhutchins_wk> petn-randall: Nvmind, I mis-parsed
your question.
2902 [22:51:46] <petn-randall> Kali_Yuga: And you reinstalled from
there?
2903 [22:51:59] <Kali_Yuga> Just after the installation it does
not boot
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2906 [22:52:48] <Kali_Yuga> petn-randall: I did not manage to
reinstall anything yet :/ I also encrypted the hdd which makes
everything a little more complicated also
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2909 [22:53:33] <petn-randall> Kali_Yuga: As I said, it's
easiest to just reinstall now, as it's likely related to the
issue I mentioned.
2910 [22:53:52] <petn-randall> Kali_Yuga: You *could* fix it by
hand, but that will likely take 3x as long as reinstalling.
2911 [22:53:58] <petn-randall> (and is error-prone)
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2915 [22:54:40] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. I would like to submit a bug
that applies to 2 packages that are not playing nice with each
other. Is it possible to send a bug report to two package groups?
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2917 [22:55:36] <Kali_Yuga> petn-randall: ok I understand. I just
wonder why the installer skipped through the grub installation step
and told me to restart :(
2918 [22:55:39] <petn-randall> Lady_Aleena: It's probably
more sane to file one bug, and CC the other maintainer. Otherwise
you'll have two bug reports.
2919 [22:55:50] <petn-randall> Kali_Yuga: No idea, that usually
doesn't happen.
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2921 [22:56:10] <Abdullah> I think installer is changed?
2922 [22:56:14] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: pick the one that seems to
be the more wrong, and file it on that package. If the maintainers
disagree they can reassign it.
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2924 [22:56:56] <Kali_Yuga> Can I skip Erase Data on HDD when
setting up encrypted LVM. Or do I have to wait? I've already
done it and takes quite a while
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2926 [22:57:18] <Kali_Yuga> It gives me the Option to cancel
2927 [22:57:41] <jmcnaught> Kali_Yuga: you can hit cancel to skip
that
2928 [22:57:57] <Kali_Yuga> jmcnaught: ok thx thats what I thought
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2931 [22:58:37] <Abdullah> Kali_Yuga: you can skip it.
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2933 [22:59:12] <Abdullah> but I think you shouldn't skip it.
for me on SSD it didn't take more than 10 minutes 256G
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2939 [22:59:54] <petn-randall> You can skip it since the current
data on it is already encrypted, and the key gets erased, making it
random data now.
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2962 [23:13:42] <RoyK> hi - a friend of mine, Malinux, just
upgraded to stretch and found a lot of stuff not upgraded at all.
network was down and we had to do a ton of manual work to make
things going as usual. lately, we found virt-manager and other
packages not upgraded at all and needed an apt-get install
--reinstall to get functional. Any idea how to fully upgrade this
system without reinstalling it?
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2964 [23:14:59] <noln> !jessie->stretch
2965 [23:15:24] <greycat> the bot has some really weird bugger
involving -> in factoids
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2967 [23:15:33] <greycat> it works if you write "dpkg
jessie->stretch"
2968 [23:16:29] <Lady_Aleena> I can't figure out which
package to choose, so here is the problem. When I set up KDE's
appearance, it creates a file called .gtkrc-2.0 and a (I think it
is) a symlink .gtkrc-2.0-kde4 to the former file. When I switch over
to XFCE, XFCE's appearace is affected by the first file,
meaning that I have to delete or relocate it. Then if I go back to
KDE, I would have to set up the appearance all over again. Now, I
don't know what KDE package
2969 [23:16:29] <Lady_Aleena> I should report this to as a bug.
There does not appear to be a general KDE package on my system
according to dpkg -l | grep kde. Any suggestions?
2970 [23:16:31] <noln> Ah, thank you. Good to know.
2971 [23:16:39] <noln> dpkg jessie->stretch
2972 [23:16:40] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of
the <release notes>
replaced-url
2973 [23:16:47] <noln> !pin
2974 [23:16:47] <dpkg> Pinning is a method to choose which version
of a package to install when multiple versions are available from
<sources.list>. Bugs are explained at
replaced-url
2975 [23:17:03] <Lady_Aleena> Oh, the files are created in my
$HOME.
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2978 [23:17:27] <greycat> since when does KDE use gtk?
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2980 [23:17:59] <Lady_Aleena> So, setting up KDE's appearance
affects XFCE's appearance.
2981 [23:18:12] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, its there somewhere. I am
not on KDE at the moment.
2982 [23:18:38] <greycat> I thought KDE used Qt. Eh, what do I
know about desktop environments....
2983 [23:19:15] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, KDE does use qt, but qt can
be set up to use the gtk theme chosen.
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2985 [23:20:12] <noln> gtkrc is for gtk. gtk and qt apps can be
used in kde and xfce independently.
2986 [23:20:56] <Lady_Aleena> noln, the .gtkrc-2.0 file
specifically mentions it was set up by KDE.
2987 [23:21:50] <Kali_Yuga> I reinstalled this thime without
seperate /home and guided LVM, still the same issue. It was Setting
up Grub before installation finished
2988 [23:21:56] <noln> kde is a name for a set of preinstalled
packages and defaults. the app uses qt or gtk or whatever, which
look into the respective dot-files
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2990 [23:21:57] <Kali_Yuga> time*
2991 [23:22:28] <coruja> the complexer desktop environments are,
the more they tend to interfere with each other, so not sure if it
may be called a bug
2992 [23:22:34] <Lady_Aleena> noln, I am trying to figure out what
KDE package is the main KDE package to file a bug to.
2993 [23:22:34] <noln> yes, there is a kde lib, but the theme
rendering is up to qt.
2994 [23:23:27] <Kali_Yuga> I also had another issue when Lan is
connected the installer would freeze up at Configuring DHCPv6. So I
could not use network mirror
2995 [23:23:42] <Kali_Yuga> a*
2996 [23:25:22] <ryouma> i fear de's. they keep changing my
applications like with file association. and i have to keep adding
new things to fluxbox startup like that bus thing.
2997 [23:25:34] <noln> Lady_Aleena, maybe you would have more luck
in #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net
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3003 [23:28:50] <aaro> what bus thing? dbus?
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3005 [23:29:24] <Lady_Aleena> noln, I guess so.
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3008 [23:32:54] <noln> Lady_Aleena, I hope for the best. They also
have a dedicated mailing list. If everything else fails, metapackage
task-kde-desktop could possibly be a suitable fallback
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3010 [23:34:00] <salcedo> debian EC2 image when?
3011 [23:34:10] <salcedo> (buster)
3012 [23:34:11] <Lady_Aleena> That is probably the one I need. I
didn't see it there at the bottom of the dpkg list.
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3018 [23:40:29] <salcedo> oh. administrative issues. :(
3019 [23:41:15] <Kali_Yuga> tried all kinds of thing in the bios
now to no avail, It still gives me the same error 1962: No Operating
System found.
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3026 [23:46:36] <strive> Is there a way to disable
NetworkManager's AP scanning?
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3030 [23:48:54] <uRock> strive, I think "restrict background
data usage might do that
3031 [23:49:08] <uRock> That shows p as an option in settings
3032 [23:49:10] <strive> uRock: Thanks! I'll look into that.
3033 [23:49:33] <uRock> I use that when connecting other
peoples' WiFi
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3042 [23:53:01] <strive> uRock: I don't see that option. Is
that something that needs to be put into a config file?
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