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0 [00:00:04] <SerajewelKS> k-man: who is user 1000000!?
1 [00:00:09] <k-man> no idea!
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3 [00:00:44] <k-man> no user of that uid in /etc/passwd
4 [00:00:50] <SerajewelKS> maybe check syslog for output from
that sshd
5 [00:03:06] <k-man> hmm... Missing privilege separation
directory: /run/sshd
6 [00:03:38] <k-man>
replaced-url
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13 [00:09:12] <kodapa85> Hey, I'm running Ganeti (2.16.0)
on Buster. After the last update qemu is reporting an invalid
parameter -balloon
14 [00:09:32] <kodapa85> The vms now won't start
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18 [00:15:59] <mason> kodapa85: Buster isn't supported yet,
is it?
19 [00:16:15] <mason> kodapa85: Maybe try #debian-next on OFTC?
20 [00:17:09] <mason> !debian-next
21 [00:17:09] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
22 [00:17:19] <kodapa85> @mason not yet and thanks
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24 [00:18:35] <kodapa85> #debian-next Cannot join channel (+i) -
you must be invited :(
25 [00:18:54] <mason> kodapa85: On the OFTC network, not
Freenode.
26 [00:19:08] <karlpinc> kodapa85: That means you didn't
read the part about it being on the otfc network.
27 [00:19:17] <kodapa85> mason: ops, just seen
28 [00:19:22] <mason> no worries
29 [00:19:37] <k-man> how do i force removal of a package when
the pre-removal script fails?
replaced-url
30 [00:21:30] <k-man> ok, this did the trick:
replaced-url
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35 [00:24:00] <SerajewelKS> k-man: generally you figure out why
the script failed and fix it
36 [00:24:07] <SerajewelKS> e.g. manually stop the openvpn
service and see what the error is
37 [00:24:13] <SerajewelKS> sometimes it's just a dangling
pidfile that you can rm
38 [00:24:33] <k-man> SerajewelKS, the problem with that is I
want it gone. i don't really want to invest time in determining
why i can't remove it
39 [00:24:48] <k-man> but yes, i guess in a perfect world, one
would do that
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41 [00:24:52] <SerajewelKS> sure. but if the stop script is
failing then there may still be a process running.
42 [00:25:11] <SerajewelKS> the sledgehammer approach is
sometimes warranted but it is a last resort
43 [00:25:23] <SerajewelKS> it will work but there may be
collateral damage
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47 [00:26:40] <k-man> the process isn't running
48 [00:27:49] <k-man> so i installed the systemd-cron package
49 [00:28:00] <k-man> and I seem to have a few cron jobs that
don't work
50 [00:28:20] <ryouma> i use sux - to run a gui program as a
specified user. i know that sux is old but idk a replacement. the
REAL problem is, even after the program terminates, there are dbus
processes running as that user. and also
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gconf/gconfd-2. however, i do not use a
de. i use fluxbox. so wy are those processes lying around?
51 [00:34:26] <rant> ryouma: gksu
52 [00:36:05] <ryouma> rant: think that will fix the issue?
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54 [00:36:45] <rant> ryouma: nfc, but I know sux isn't in
debian and gksu, kdesu, gksudo, etc are..
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68 [00:44:08] <johnnyfive> Howdy! I have a flat-file repository,
and reference it in my sources.list using an absolute path entry, as
detailed here:
replaced-url
69 [00:44:24] <johnnyfive> Is this expected behavior, a bug, or
is there another way to handle this?
70 [00:44:42] <SerajewelKS> change the release in your
sources.list to match it?
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74 [00:46:01] <johnnyfive> SerajewelKS, that can't be the
only answer. I don't feel comfortable changing the release to
"main/", since that is a) non-standard b) could cause
other issues in apt if i'm trying to pin thing based on
codename/suite?
75 [00:47:56] <johnnyfive> Changing the release:codename or
release:suite definitely works, but this can't be the expected
behavior
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85 [01:02:58] <k-man> my auto mounting of usb flash disks is
broken
86 [01:03:12] <somiaj> what desktop to you use?
87 [01:03:20] <k-man> nothing happens when i insert a usb stick.
but in dmesg i can see that the device was detected upon insertion
88 [01:03:22] <k-man> gnome
89 [01:03:52] <somiaj> hmm, check your .xsession-errors log, see
if xorg is spitting out any errors
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92 [01:05:20] <k-man> nothing obvious in there
93 [01:05:43] <k-man> why doesn't it timestamp the lines in
there
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155 [01:50:45] <rant> k-man: gvfsd is whats responsible for
automounting though encrypted drives or exfat may not be automounted
without additional packages/configuration
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167 [01:57:47] <awal1> any suggestion for an usb wifi adapter 5
ghz supported by debian *free or non-free* (if you have tried it
yet)?
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169 [01:58:23] <awal1> ^ (preferably with injection support)
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172 [01:59:21] <awal1> i want this
replaced-url
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174 [01:59:48] <somiaj> I would just try to get info about the
chipset, and then check linux support
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180 [02:02:45] <awal1> already checked this before i ask but I am
not sure about what i am reading
replaced-url
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182 [02:03:29] <somiaj> often times if you can get the usbid that
can help out a lot
183 [02:03:39] <somiaj> I'm not in a place i can look at
that though, others might be able to
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185 [02:06:25] <awal1> no problem somiaj, thanks for your
interest anyway
186 [02:06:46] <awal1> i think it is not supported officially
replaced-url
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188 [02:07:29] <awal1> probably via ppa in ubuntu (which I
won't use :P)
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191 [02:10:21] <de-facto> How does the chain of trust work in a
debian repo? Background: I am thinking about setting up an own
little repo for my packages, which GPG infrastructure is most common
for this?
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194 [02:13:15] <de-facto> It seems its a common pattern that one
would have the clients do something like "wget -qO-
replaced-url
195 [02:14:28] <de-facto> and of course a
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/reponame.list entry
196 [02:14:50] <de-facto> but how does that chain of trust work?
is there a howto for a setup somewhere?
197 [02:19:20] <somiaj> !secure apt
198 [02:19:20] <dpkg> [apt-secure] Starting with version 0.6,
<APT> performs signature checking of the Release file for all
archives. See
replaced-url
199 [02:19:32] <somiaj> that is how the trust that the package
you get from the repo is valid works
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205 [02:22:55] <de-facto> yes im already reading it
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207 [02:24:38] <somiaj> I don't know the details, but if you
have a more specific question you might get a better answer from
others.
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209 [02:25:01] <de-facto> is the trust anchor itself just
dangling, i.e. the download over https and hence the ca-certificates
(e.g. lets encrypt et al) provide for it?
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212 [02:25:47] <somiaj> apt often just uses http, and
dosen't need https to help with its chain of trust
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217 [02:27:18] <de-facto> yes thats good because it can be cached
then, i mean is the trust anchor from "wget -qO-
replaced-url
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219 [02:27:48] <somiaj>
replaced-url
220 [02:28:18] <de-facto> thats not my question
221 [02:28:37] <somiaj> yea, I was just slow at adding that to
the above response.
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223 [02:29:16] <somiaj> I don't know the answer to that
question, as to ensure you add the correct public key in the first
place.
224 [02:29:29] <de-facto> yes exactly
225 [02:29:49] <somiaj> but my understanding is provided you have
valid keys in your apt-key database, apt will make sure packages are
correctly signed before installing them.
226 [02:30:27] <de-facto> yup it seems to verify them over a
chain of hashes with Release.gpg
227 [02:30:43] <somiaj> as to issues getting a good key (ensuring
someone doesn't inject a false key). But I think they have to
also ensure you get false packages.
228 [02:30:53] <somiaj> but unsure on the details here, maybe
someone else can provide better explination.
229 [02:31:12] <de-facto> but yeah the trust anchor probably is
just a dangling import, so the transport or something like that
would have to make sure its authentic
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232 [02:32:19] <de-facto> I mean if it just would be like
"yeah httpS is Safe, dont worry" any trust anchor in
ca-certificates could forge it (and i have to admit i dont know the
majority of the trust anchors in there)
233 [02:32:56] <de-facto> i mean for importing the public gpg key
of a new repo
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235 [02:34:12] <somiaj> The wiki does have this,
replaced-url
236 [02:34:46] <somiaj> that to mee seems to be your question,
but maybe I missunderstood
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243 [02:38:44] <de-facto> Jup thats exactly it, it tells me that
its good to be paranoid about security LOL, yet it makes one would
have to emply a GPG chain/web or trust around it (based on social
links) to make a vote for trust about signing a key
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245 [02:39:41] <de-facto> they also say that not all apt repos
have it, hence dangling trust anchors, so i assume its fine to stop
at that point and worry about it later how to sign the trust anchor
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261 [02:54:15] <karlpinc> de-facto: I think the basic idea is
that people would hear about it if the public apt key was
compromised, whether that happened if the website was hacked or
whatever. If somebody was going to target you specifically, they
could and you wouldn't know. I can't say if they'd
have to keep intercepting all your apt traffic to keep you from
discovering that you'd initially been given a bad key.
(That's in interesting question.)
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284 [03:13:59] <de-facto> karlpinc, yes it seems it all boils
down to having the initial import of a trust anchor somewhat
trustworthy and of course also to keep the private key always safe.
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289 [03:17:32] <user37> im having issues with loading TLS and SSL
in browsers
290 [03:17:43] <user37> is there something major im missing?
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292 [03:18:47] <user37> ive tried chromium and firefox, and it
used to happen with some sites after i visit them a few dozen times,
now happening more easily
293 [03:19:55] <de-facto> i guess you would have to provide exact
error messages with your "issues"
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296 [03:21:11] <user37> browsers time out or partially load
pages, in cli trying to wget yt-dl i get "GnuTLS: The TLS
connection was non-properly terminated."
297 [03:21:35] <de-facto> e.g. what do you do, what
does(n't) it do and tell you, what did you expect?
298 [03:21:56] <user37> browsers also hang on "waiting for
TLS handshake"
299 [03:22:12] <user37> sometimes everything works fine, other
times i have these problems
300 [03:22:14] <de-facto> are you behind a proxy which may not be
properly setup?
301 [03:22:53] <user37> not to my knowledge. would that show up
in a traceroute? i will run one now
302 [03:22:56] <de-facto> is it a wifi or a wired connection
303 [03:23:04] <user37> wifi :(
304 [03:23:22] <user37> traceroute has the * * * after leaving
gateway
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308 [03:25:18] <de-facto> hmm you also can try to view the ssl
cert chain of an url when it does not work properly e.g. openssl
s_client -connect
replaced-url
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310 [03:25:29] <de-facto> but it very well could just be a bad
wifi i guess
311 [03:25:35] <wyoung> Hi gang!!
312 [03:25:44] <user37> thanks de-facto, ill try that
313 [03:25:54] <de-facto> if you have the opportunity you might
want to test a wired connection to debug it with same url
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315 [03:26:00] <de-facto> from your box of course
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317 [03:26:15] <user37> unfortunately, dont really have the
opportunity at the moment
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319 [03:27:00] <user37> openssl is actually looks like a great
tool
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321 [03:27:26] <de-facto> curl is too: curl -Iv
replaced-url
322 [03:28:18] <de-facto> user37, all of those base their trust
on ca-certificates package CA trust anchors on your system
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324 [03:28:38] <de-facto> e.g. dpkg --get-selections | grep
ca-certificates
325 [03:29:35] <de-facto> user37, wireshark also is a great tool
for debugging network problems, you can watch stuff at the packet
level and browse the semantics of each known packet
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327 [03:30:55] <LtL> de-facto: dpkg -l ca-certificates = much
quicker :)
328 [03:31:30] <LtL> unless theres more than one i guess
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330 [03:34:46] <de-facto> basically i have to admit i dislike
ca-certificates because i dont know the majority of the CAs in it,
but its still the way to go nowerdays
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332 [03:35:52] <de-facto> besides being able to cache http with
squid et al, its a very good reason for secure-apt not relying on it
in my opinion
333 [03:36:27] <user37> i still use apt-get instead of apt... am
i going to hell?
334 [03:36:36] * user37 drinks
335 [03:36:50] <de-facto> lol you are using it with apt-get
already :)
336 [03:37:06] <de-facto> its transparent unless something bad
happens it will tell you
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338 [03:38:18] <user37> okay, im convinced. apt is better. il
switch immediately
339 [03:39:53] <de-facto> nope both are fine, its implemented in
the backend afaik
340 [03:40:18] <de-facto> it all depends on which keys you tell
it to trust:
replaced-url
341 [03:40:28] <de-facto> i also just read about it earlier
342 [03:42:14] <user37> i just tried to cat /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
to see what keys apt trusts, but that was a nope
343 [03:42:30] <user37> although i do see one legibly
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348 [03:43:37] <de-facto> try sudo apt-key list
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352 [03:46:42] <user37> that looks better
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354 [03:48:09] <de-facto> i think they are in
/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d or such
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357 [03:51:29] <awal1> ,v rtl8812au-dkms
358 [03:51:30] <judd> No package named 'rtl8812au-dkms'
was found in amd64.
359 [03:52:28] <awal1> I have D-Link DWA-182 rev C1 . i hope
something is being done for rtl8812au-dkms
360 [03:53:12] <de-facto> awal1, its unofficial (not trusted?),
but I got quite some good results with
replaced-url
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362 [03:54:52] <awal1> de-facto, ok thanks. i am usually react to
3d party stuff, but i may try it in a different/testing machine
363 [03:55:06] <awal1> d-link dwa'182 too?
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365 [03:55:29] <de-facto> Alpha AWUS036AC
366 [03:55:30] <awal1> or another dongle using that chipset?
367 [03:55:38] <awal1> ah, ok
368 [03:55:39] <de-facto> its RTL8812AU
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370 [03:56:06] <awal1> ubuntu and mint have pkged officialy
rtl8812au-dkms for that chipset
371 [03:56:17] <awal1> maybe it will be available soon on debian
372 [03:56:21] <awal1> hopefully
373 [03:56:24] <de-facto> yeah its quite old version of it though
374 [03:57:04] <de-facto> 4.3.8.12175.20140902+dfsg-0ubuntu8 vs
5.2.20.2
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376 [03:57:29] <awal1> does that chipset support injection?
377 [03:57:44] <awal1> haven't tried it for that even if i I
have it
378 [03:58:10] <de-facto> not quite sure about that, its not
based on official linux kernel modules but rather Realtek's own
implementation afaik
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380 [03:58:42] <strixdio> hey
381 [03:58:50] <strixdio> I have an audio device that isn't
outputting sound
382 [03:58:56] <strixdio> Audio device [0403]
383 [03:58:56] <awal1> looks like it have support for monitor
mode and supports injection
384 [03:59:08] <strixdio> 00:04.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel
Corporation Device [8086:a348] (rev 10)
385 [03:59:08] <de-facto> try it out?
386 [03:59:09] <strixdio> Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:087d]
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388 [03:59:24] <strixdio> I only have a dummy output for
pavucontrol
389 [03:59:25] <awal1> maybe a wishlist bug about rtl8812au-dkms
may help
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391 [04:00:06] <strixdio> any thoughts?
392 [04:00:34] <de-facto> alsamixer? i dunno much about audio
stuff...
393 [04:00:45] <strixdio> well, I think it's a driver issue
394 [04:00:53] <strixdio> iirc, I tried once before but it was
loading the wrong driver
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396 [04:01:15] <de-facto> load another one and look at dmesg?
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398 [04:02:06] <strixdio> well, I was loading the correct one.
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401 [04:02:43] <de-facto> i had once a audio problem and searched
a lot until i realized it was just muted in alsamixer
402 [04:02:46] <strixdio> I can add nonfree right
403 [04:02:56] <strixdio> to /etc/apt/sources.lst
404 [04:02:57] <strixdio> list*
405 [04:03:39] <de-facto> you can do everything i guess, just
make sure you actually want it :)
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416 [04:10:50] <strixdio> grrr
417 [04:10:55] <strixdio> idk what is going on with this.
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426 [04:23:34] <strixdio> ah, it's an Intel Corporation
Device a348
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430 [04:25:32] <strixdio> omg seriously
431 [04:25:45] <strixdio> needs a newer kernel from
stretch-backports
432 [04:25:49] <strixdio> freaking.. hell...
433 [04:25:56] <strixdio> yet again, burned by debian being old.
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438 [04:33:22] <rwp> strixdio, If you want bleeding edge bits
there is always the Sid Unstable suite.
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495 [05:35:42] <Deihmos> do you prefer debian on desktop as
opposed to another distro like ubuntu
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529 [06:00:39] <ksqsf> Hi, I've been experiencing an
annoying problem. After upgrading to buster, my laptop's
keyboard and touchpad don't work after waking up from
suspending, but not always
530 [06:00:59] <ksqsf> Could somebody give me some pointer on how
to debug this problem?
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532 [06:01:24] <ksqsf> My dmesg:
replaced-url
533 [06:01:46] <ksqsf> Also tried enabling all devices found by
xinput list, but no luck
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535 [06:03:43] <mal10c> I'm using debian for my first time
ever. It's so much more stable than Ubuntu!
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542 [06:06:53] <guoruei> nice
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544 [06:07:43] <blueingress> Hi, I have problem update chromium..
anyone help? error message:
replaced-url
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546 [06:08:55] <guoruei> You might want to run 'apt
--fix-broken install' to correct these.
547 [06:09:31] <guoruei> Try 'apt --fix-broken install'
with no packages (or specify a solution).
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550 [06:10:12] <blueingress> guoruei,
replaced-url
551 [06:10:19] <blueingress> still have problems
552 [06:11:15] <guoruei> The following packages were
automatically installed and are no longer required:
553 [06:11:16] <guoruei> chromium-sandbox libre2-5
554 [06:11:16] <guoruei> Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to
remove them.
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556 [06:12:35] <blueingress> guoruei, it seems a dead cycle...
replaced-url
557 [06:12:43] <guoruei> lol
558 [06:14:20] <blueingress> :-(
559 [06:14:37] <guoruei> emmm
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568 [06:18:30] <guoruei> If you need browser badly , you can try
Iceweasel (Firefox)
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571 [06:19:25] <blueingress> guoruei, I have firefox and chrome
installed. For testing reason, I need the chromium as the 3rd
browser..
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573 [06:22:03] <guoruei> ok
574 [06:22:12] <blueingress> guoruei, maybe I should not use the
testing debian version:
replaced-url
575 [06:22:28] <blueingress> Codename: buster
576 [06:22:39] <guoruei> debian 10 ?
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578 [06:23:04] <guoruei> no,, if you want update all day
579 [06:23:06] <blueingress> there are still many bugs there, for
example, Brave browser has been dead for some days...
580 [06:23:47] <guoruei> I do not want my SSD dead for this
581 [06:24:54] <jmcnaught> blueingress: try asking on
irc.oftc.net #debian-next, that's the official testing support
channel
582 [06:25:18] <blueingress> guoruei, got to leave, Thank you.
583 [06:25:33] <blueingress> jmcnaught, thanks a lot. :-)
584 [06:25:35] <guoruei> blueingress: see you
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618 [06:59:36] <Marz> is it recommended to enable non free
software
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620 [07:04:15] <well_laid_lawn> that is a choice you have to make
yourself
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622 [07:04:29] <well_laid_lawn> sometimes it is handy
623 [07:05:38] <diogenes_> get the red pill Neo
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626 [07:06:53] <perseiver> I need expert help in resolving
package dependencies... for Freeswitch in Debian 9. I am not sure
where to get help regarding this. Since its an issue with debian 9
pacakages I am posting here
627 [07:07:58] <perseiver> paste.debian.net/plain/1069613
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629 [07:09:24] <perseiver> main error is libudev-dev : Depends:
libudev1 (= 232-25+deb9u8) but 232-25+deb9u9 is to be installed
630 [07:13:03] <Marz> the software app on debian and ubuntu looks
the same but on ubuntu it can open deb files for install
631 [07:13:23] <Marz> is there something i need to add to allow
it to install software
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633 [07:14:09] <diogenes_> gdebi
634 [07:15:32] <Marz> i did that before. it is a separate app and
does not open in the software app
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637 [07:16:54] <themill> perseiver: it looks like you used to
have security.debian.org in your sources.list but no longer do so
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639 [07:17:31] <perseiver> yes themill: it was creating error, so
I comment that
640 [07:17:40] <diogenes_> Marz, software app is a separate app
too.
641 [07:17:45] <themill> well lack of that entry is your new
error
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645 [07:18:52] <perseiver> ok themil: when I have enabled that I
got issue regarding "source repository is not secure.. Ignoring
the repository"
646 [07:19:59] <themill> err can you pastebin the entire output
and your sources.list?
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649 [07:22:19] <perseiver> I can just paste the sources.list
content on pastebin..
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653 [07:24:11] <perseiver>
replaced-url
654 [07:24:33] <themill> !stretch sources.list
655 [07:24:33] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Stretch" has three lines: "deb
replaced-url
656 [07:24:40] <themill> perseiver: it's updates not
updated.
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659 [07:24:53] <themill> (see what dpkg said)
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661 [07:25:26] <b4d> Hi! Can and how can I list multiple packages
for pinning in /etc/apt/preferences, currently I have one entry for
pinned package and I would like to merge more of them into one pin?
Thanks in advance
662 [07:26:35] <themill> b4d: see apt_preferences(5), but note
that if you're doing lots of pinning, you're probably
accumulating problems for the future and there is almost always an
easier way
663 [07:26:40] <perseiver> ok
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666 [07:27:06] <b4d> themill: thanks, will check. Yeah I know the
pitfalls, but would like the latest vim version :)
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668 [07:28:05] <themill> istr vim pulls a *lot* with it
669 [07:28:14] <themill> !ssb
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671 [07:28:14] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude
install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b
source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change
compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions
newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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673 [07:30:02] <perseiver> SID repository is really a risky
choice, the main problem it creates is package conflicts...
674 [07:30:45] <perseiver> sometime software require a particular
version of package and SID is always updated one...
675 [07:30:56] <perseiver> Try sid at your own risk
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837 [09:45:33] <w17t> what is the difference between sid and
unstable mini.iso's?
838 [09:45:35] <Sandlayth> Hello guys. I have 4 debian vbox VMs
on 2 different virtual internal networks. One of them belongs to
both networks, let's call it "router". Every vm can
ping the "router", and, given that i've enabled
net.ipv4.ip_forward, they can ping each other. Everything is fine
until now. Now, I've created a host only network, and set an ip
address to my host. I've created a new host-only adapter
interface to my
839 [09:45:37] <Sandlayth> "router". I can ping the
"router" from my host, which is fine. However, I
can't ping the other machines on the other
"router"'s networks, even if IPv4 forwarding is
enabled. Do you know why? Is it related to debian or vbox?
840 [09:45:41] <w17t> namely
replaced-url
841 [09:45:49] <w17t> and
replaced-url
842 [09:46:13] <w17t>
replaced-url
843 [09:46:44] <w17t> or are they the same (symlinked directories
etc)?
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862 [10:03:07] <_wrksx> mornin guys
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865 [10:03:30] <_wrksx> I dunno how, I created a file called
"?:q"
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867 [10:04:14] <_wrksx> but maybe some invisible chars or I
dunno, because rm '?:q' doesn work, no such file
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872 [10:04:50] <_wrksx> any idea how can I make sure of the name,
and delete it ?
873 [10:05:16] <_wrksx> or maybe using the file id or something
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875 [10:06:52] <_wrksx> using cmd line completion it shows as
^[:q
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877 [10:08:32] <Sandlayth> put the file name into quotes?
878 [10:08:47] <Sandlayth> it doesn't work?
879 [10:08:58] <Sandlayth> what does your ls return?
880 [10:09:29] <_wrksx> nope
881 [10:09:43] <_wrksx> rm '?:q' no such file
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883 [10:10:12] <_wrksx> I have no idea how I created it, I just
noticed it today
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888 [10:12:25] <blackflow> _wrksx: hah, from vim
889 [10:12:44] <blackflow> _wrksx: try rm \?<hit tab>
890 [10:12:59] <_wrksx> I just manage to read it using vim
891 [10:13:15] <_wrksx> it garbage, a manpage dump
892 [10:13:45] <blackflow> ah, from the manpage pager then.
neway, \?<tab>
893 [10:13:47] <_wrksx> rm \?<tab> doesn't work from
the shell
894 [10:14:08] <blackflow> then type out the filename, but lead
that ? with \?
895 [10:14:36] <_wrksx> blackflow, I didn't get it
896 [10:15:05] <blackflow> rm \?:q
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898 [10:16:15] <Sandlayth> remove it with the inode number?
899 [10:16:18] <blackflow> and if that doesn't work...
you'll need some find .... -delete magick but be careful you
don't delete unwanted, so first make sure the find filter is
working as expected, before you add -delete
900 [10:16:20] <Sandlayth> ls -il
901 [10:16:42] <Sandlayth> and then find . -inum <Number>
-delete
902 [10:16:51] <blackflow> even better.
903 [10:17:14] <perseiver> hi themill: You are rockstar...
904 [10:17:28] <perseiver> My issue regarding broken dependencies
is solved.. thanks
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907 [10:18:11] <mymosh> Hello! Is firewalld or ufw the preferred
way of setting up a firewall on Debian Jessie?
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910 [10:21:10] <at0m> !iptables
911 [10:21:11] <dpkg> [iptables] The user-space process used to
administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter. Ask me about
<netfilter docs>. For a proper Debian-way of setting up
iptables, see
replaced-url
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919 [10:23:48] <_wrksx> Sandlayth, ty I was just lookin indo how
to delete by inode
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921 [10:24:05] <_wrksx> but a friend just manage to remove it
using rm ?\:q
922 [10:24:28] <_wrksx> i worked while rm '?:q'
wouldn't worked
923 [10:24:36] <_wrksx> no idea what was goin on
924 [10:24:40] <_wrksx> ty guys
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934 [10:32:45] <blackflow> looking back, ?\:q might've
worked as a regex indeed. next time look into using inodes,
it's way more precise.
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956 [10:51:43] <afidegnum> even though i have chmod to 777 my
home directory, i still face an empty directory listing when
connected. here is my config file
replaced-url
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959 [10:54:38] <Schiziot> afidegnum: just a lucky shot until
somebody else picks it up: #local_umask=022
960 [10:55:08] <Schiziot> means the default is used which results
in 0700, right?
961 [10:55:08] <afidegnum> i was hesitating on that, let me check
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971 [10:55:54] <jelly> afidegnum: when connected as normal user
or anonymous? Why do you use ftp at all?
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974 [10:56:32] <afidegnum> jelly: both
975 [10:57:03] <afidegnum> well I have my Linux PC, but had
problem with my cable, so i decided to share files via FTP
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978 [10:57:52] <jelly> afidegnum: use sftp
979 [10:58:27] <klys> afidegnum, aren't there any files in
/home/ftp
980 [10:58:32] <Schiziot> a tricky thing are these offset
permissions. a "7" in the config means "0" in
the filesystem, right?
981 [10:58:53] <afidegnum> no i m rather using /home/$user
982 [10:58:58] <Schiziot> and "2" translates to
"5"
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984 [10:59:19] <klys> afidegnum, does it let you upload too
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986 [10:59:50] <afidegnum> i haven't tried the uploading
yet, since i can't list the directories and files,
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989 [11:00:07] <klys> afidegnum, grep ftp /etc/passwd
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993 [11:02:18] <afidegnum> ftp:x:14:11::/srv/ftp:/sbin/nologin
994 [11:02:33] <klys> afidegnum, ls -ltac /srv/ftp
995 [11:03:06] <afidegnum> dr-xr-xr-x 2 root ftp 4096 Dec 15
16:09 .
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997 [11:03:07] <afidegnum> drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Dec 15
16:09 ..
998 [11:03:11] <klys> okok
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1000 [11:03:40] <klys> you might want to mkdir /home/ftp; touch
/home/ftp/0001; touch /srv/ftp/0002 and login again
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1003 [11:04:18] <Schiziot> i want an ftp too now
1004 [11:04:40] <MrHyde> hello
1005 [11:04:41] <klys> schiziot, sftp?
1006 [11:04:44] <klys> hi
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1008 [11:05:20] <MrHyde> any idea why two boxes both on testing,
on mine I can find python3.6 but my colleague cant ...
1009 [11:06:02] <klys> mrhyde, dpkg -l python; report your
versions
1010 [11:06:05] <MrHyde> apt-cache search python3.6 is alright on
mine but on his he cets only 3.5 and 3.7
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1013 [11:06:47] <MrHyde> klys: i have only 2.7.15
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1015 [11:07:01] <MrHyde> didnt install the 3.6
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1018 [11:07:09] <klys> mrhyde, dpkg -l python3
1019 [11:07:12] <MrHyde> but was wondering
1020 [11:07:16] <afidegnum> klys: permission denied, should i
chown ?
1021 [11:07:25] <MrHyde> ii python3 3.7.1-3
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1023 [11:07:44] <klys> afidegnum, you can change perms and chown
as much as you like, as long as it solves the problem
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1026 [11:08:06] <MrHyde> python3.6 is already the newest version
(3.6.7-1).
1027 [11:08:07] <MrHyde> python3.6 set to manually installed.
1028 [11:08:08] <klys> mrhyde, is that on the one with python3.6 ?
1029 [11:08:26] <MrHyde> that's on my box
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1031 [11:08:42] <klys> it seems you have a python3.6 leftover and
also a python3.7 binary probably
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1033 [11:08:49] <MrHyde> on his we cant see the python3.6 pkg with
a search
1034 [11:09:16] <klys> do you need python3.6 ?
1035 [11:09:19] <klys> ,v python3
1036 [11:09:20] <judd> Package: python3 on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.7.2-1; sid:
3.7.2-1
1037 [11:09:32] <MrHyde> yep
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1040 [11:10:30] <MrHyde> he's compiling it right now but was
wondering why he cant find it ...
1041 [11:10:49] <klys> mrhyde, it seems you will have to browse
the pool for those packages.
replaced-url
1042 [11:10:56] <afidegnum> kygus: no luck.. the feedback im
having is "150 here comes directory listing" "500
OOPS"
1043 [11:11:56] <MrHyde> klys: thanks
1044 [11:12:13] <klys> afidegnum, you may need to start the ftpd
binary by hand (su ftp) with strace and pipe all stderr output to a
file that you would browse with your pager.
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1046 [11:13:29] <afidegnum> klys: su ftp comes with authentication
failure, is there an appropriate command?
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1050 [11:14:01] <klys> afidegnum, sudo su ftp; after providing
user ftp with a shell such as /bin/sh
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1053 [11:14:59] <afidegnum> "This account is currently not
available."
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1055 [11:15:09] <Schiziot> what goodies to share now that
sources.debian.org exists :P
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1057 [11:15:53] <Schiziot> thanks to the people who worked on that
project
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1059 [11:15:54] <klys> afidegnum, edit your passwd file directl if
you mean to do as I described. ftp:x:14:11::/srv/ftp:/bin/sh
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1061 [11:17:58] <afidegnum> ?
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1065 [11:18:51] <klys> afidegnum, change the line in /etc/passwd
then you can start strace on ftpd after sudo su ftp
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1070 [11:21:36] <mynameisjohn> Hi all
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1072 [11:21:42] <Schiziot> hello
1073 [11:21:43] <klys> hi
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1076 [11:22:21] <mynameisjohn> I was here a few days ago with a
RAM issue (added two more DIMM slots of RAM into the PC, and
whenever i open Chromium (or probably any other large executable
that uses a lot of memory) the system freezes, although usually the
mouse can still move
1077 [11:22:28] * Schiziot nominates Penguin_ for cool vhost award
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1079 [11:22:41] <mynameisjohn> I ran memtest86+ from a boot disk,
checked the RAM, and apparently there are no issues
1080 [11:22:52] <mynameisjohn> So now i think it really is a
software issue and not a hardware issue :
1081 [11:22:56] <afidegnum> klys: i will come back and resume
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1085 [11:23:37] <klys> mynameisjohn, do you have swap space too?
1086 [11:23:56] <mynameisjohn> uh
1087 [11:23:58] <mynameisjohn> ...
1088 [11:24:02] <mynameisjohn> maybe not O-O
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1090 [11:24:07] <mynameisjohn> I haven't looked
1091 [11:24:16] <at0m> mynameisjohn: easy check: remove the 2 new
DIMMs. problem persists? install the new ones remove old ones?
problem persists?
1092 [11:24:26] <mynameisjohn> The system worked well for a long
time with just 2Gb of RAM. I added another 2Gb of exactly the same
type
1093 [11:24:48] <mynameisjohn> I've tried every combo of DIMM
and they all work, so long as there is only two of them
1094 [11:24:57] <mynameisjohn> doesn't matter the slots or
the sticks used
1095 [11:25:08] <mynameisjohn> And 4 will boot, but eventually
freeze
1096 [11:25:15] <at0m> then you can start swapping one old for one
new, and later swap these 2 again. you'll know which DIMM is at
fault.
1097 [11:25:18] <at0m> if any
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1099 [11:25:39] <mynameisjohn> I don't think any DIMM is at
fault, because i put them all in all the DIMMs, ran memtest86+, no
issues
1100 [11:25:53] <mynameisjohn> Ran that 7x over just to make sure
1101 [11:26:01] <at0m> ok
1102 [11:26:09] <mynameisjohn> I also blew them out with a lot of
compressed air
1103 [11:26:32] <klys> mynameisjohn, you could create a swap file;
dd if=/dev/zero of=/root/dat/swap.swp bs=1048576 count=2048; mkswap
/root/dat/swap.swp; swapon /root/dat/swap.swp; cat /proc/swaps; top;
(meanwhile): dbus-launch chromium &
1104 [11:26:42] <mynameisjohn> I'll give that a try right now
:)
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1111 [11:28:52] <mynameisjohn> Am i still online? I've moved
quite far from the wifi
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1113 [11:28:56] <klys> yes
1114 [11:29:09] <mynameisjohn> great :)
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1117 [11:30:57] <mynameisjohn> so "cat /proc/swaps"
shows Filename="/dev/dm-2", Type="partition",
Size="1835004", Used="0",
Priority="-1"
1118 [11:31:07] <klys> looks right
1119 [11:31:16] <mynameisjohn> And i have 4Gb of RAM now, not 2Gb,
so maybe since my swap < ram, this is happening?
1120 [11:31:32] <mynameisjohn> I had that to begin with though, i
haven't run the mkswp yet
1121 [11:31:36] <mynameisjohn> ah ok
1122 [11:31:45] <mynameisjohn> maybe i should just reinstall the
OS?
1123 [11:31:51] <mynameisjohn> With 4Gb to begin with?
1124 [11:31:54] <klys> well chromium isn't too much of a hog
when you first start it
1125 [11:32:05] <mynameisjohn> oh
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1128 [11:32:20] <mynameisjohn> The system has frozen and i
haven't even opened chromium yet, just the terminal
1129 [11:32:35] <mynameisjohn> yeah the mouse works but not the
keyboard
1130 [11:32:36] <klys> okok
1131 [11:32:38] <klys> what version is your kernel
1132 [11:32:50] <mynameisjohn> i'll reboot and find out :)
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1135 [11:34:13] <klys> kernel 5.0 should be released any day now,
4.20.11 is still on track for linux stable.
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1138 [11:34:47] <mynameisjohn> Debian GNU/Linux 9.7 (strech)
1139 [11:34:56] <rant> uname -r
1140 [11:34:57] <mynameisjohn> stretch
1141 [11:34:59] <klys> stretch has a kernel
1142 [11:35:12] <mynameisjohn> 4.9.0-7-amd64
1143 [11:35:13] <klys> it's the numbers after vmlinuz-
1144 [11:35:15] <klys> ok
1145 [11:35:28] <klys> try dding some things to your kcmdline:
1146 [11:35:33] <blackflow> klys: "on track for linux
stable"?
1147 [11:35:34] <rant> your kernel is out of date, but it probably
has nothing to do with your issue
1148 [11:35:42] <mynameisjohn> hm
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1150 [11:36:01] <klys> adding*: irqpoll noacpi noapic
1151 [11:36:20] <klys> can you do that? it should be on the same
line as vmlinuz
1152 [11:36:22] <mynameisjohn> klys: sorry, i'm not so good
at this low level stuff. dd is for writing disk images right?
1153 [11:36:29] <mynameisjohn> or... something
1154 [11:36:31] <klys> I meant adding
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1156 [11:36:48] <klys> you just basically go to the entry and
press `e'.
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1158 [11:36:51] <rant> its like the blind leading the blind
1159 [11:36:57] <blackflow> lolyeah
1160 [11:36:57] <mynameisjohn> i also don't really know much
about vmlinuz
1161 [11:36:58] <mynameisjohn> hahaha
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1163 [11:37:18] <rant> doesnt matter its not called that anyhow
1164 [11:37:23] <klys> blackflow, that's the current stable
at kernel.org
1165 [11:37:33] <rant> the line in question starts with
"linux"
1166 [11:37:55] <Schiziot> let rant run the debian channels
1167 [11:38:04] <blackflow> klys: right. thought you meant
"on track for debian stable", which it isn't
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1170 [11:39:10] <rant> mynameisjohn: are you using a desktop
environment?
1171 [11:39:10] <klys> in that case it would be gnu/linux =)
1172 [11:39:15] <mynameisjohn> rant yup
1173 [11:39:21] <mynameisjohn> XCFE
1174 [11:39:21] <rant> mynameisjohn: which one?
1175 [11:39:23] <mynameisjohn> or XFCE
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1180 [11:40:28] <klys> mynameisjohn, are you still at the grub
menu?
1181 [11:40:28] <mynameisjohn> Because the system only had 2Gb of
RAM to start, i went minimal. But i need a browser to access my
server app, and, eh
1182 [11:40:48] <rant> well the process montior in xfce isn't
quite as easy to read as the one in say MATE, but perhpas you could
try htop, it runs in a terminal
1183 [11:40:54] <mynameisjohn> klys: oh i got all that data from
terminal from the Desktop, but it's frozen again. I can reboot
into Grub menu now
1184 [11:41:04] <rant> chances are you're just running out of
memory
1185 [11:41:16] <klys> it's only advised to have extra swap
partition room if you mean to hibernate.
1186 [11:41:51] <mynameisjohn> rant: ah, well, the whole system
works absolutely fine with 2Gb of RAM
1187 [11:42:01] <klys> so, at the grub menu, press e
1188 [11:42:06] <mynameisjohn> any 2 Gb of the 4 that i have, in
any two DIMM slots of the same colour
1189 [11:42:08] <klys> and move your cursor to linux
1190 [11:42:19] <klys> and go to the end of the line to the right
1191 [11:42:20] <mynameisjohn> actually i haven't tried
different DIMM colours, or 3Gb
1192 [11:42:37] <rant> @.@
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1194 [11:42:43] <mynameisjohn> yah
1195 [11:42:44] <klys> and add this: irqpoll noacpi noapic
1196 [11:42:47] <mynameisjohn> klys ok trying
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1198 [11:43:08] <rant> mynameisjohn: the different color slots are
different channels, you WANT it in two different colors because it
runs faster that way
1199 [11:43:28] <rant> mynameisjohn: however sounds to me like
you're not real savvy and may be setting something up wrong
1200 [11:43:31] <mynameisjohn> wait WHAT?!
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1202 [11:43:36] <mynameisjohn> my whole life is a lie....
1203 [11:43:47] <mynameisjohn> I thought you had to fill up a
channel before using another
1204 [11:43:49] <mynameisjohn> hahaa
1205 [11:44:06] <rant> mynameisjohn: no, in many boards you just
have to match pairs in each channel
1206 [11:44:33] <klys> the line says: linux vmlinuz-4.9.0-7-amd64
root=... irqpoll noacpi noapic
1207 [11:44:34] <rant> mynameisjohn: most can run in both channels
without matched pairs but will not in fact run in dual-channel mode
that way
1208 [11:44:48] <klys> and then you press F10 to boot it
1209 [11:44:51] <mynameisjohn> ok so, GRUB 2.02-beta3-5+deb9u1
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1211 [11:45:02] <mynameisjohn> Debian GNU/Linux is highlighted
1212 [11:45:08] <klys> hit e here
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1215 [11:45:26] <klys> and it will give you a text editor
1216 [11:45:27] <mynameisjohn> er
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1218 [11:45:33] <mynameisjohn> "e" doesn't seem to
do anything
1219 [11:45:37] <mynameisjohn> weird, it did before
1220 [11:45:42] <klys> mm I forget then
1221 [11:45:50] <mynameisjohn> oh i had CAPs on
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1223 [11:46:03] <klys> okok
1224 [11:46:12] <rant> mynameisjohn: we have various names for
this.. PEBKAC, PICNIC.. :
1225 [11:46:30] <blackflow> rant: PICNIC?
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1227 [11:46:56] <rant> Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair /
Problem In Chair Not In Computer
1228 [11:47:33] <Haohmaru> "don't adjust your TV.."
1229 [11:47:33] <blackflow> yeah I know PEBKAC/PEBCAK, wasn't
sure about PICNIC :)
1230 [11:47:55] <klys> > Each line in the menu entry can be
edited freely, and you can add new lines by pressing RET at the end
of a line. To boot the edited entry, press Ctrl-x.
1231 [11:47:56] <fling> How to skip installing adwaita-icon-theme
and other big packages on a minimal install
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1233 [11:48:41] <mynameisjohn> ok on that line that has
"linux /vmlinus-4.9.0... root=/dev/mapper/tenne--vg-root ro
quiet
1234 [11:48:49] <klys> yes
1235 [11:48:58] <klys> add this: irqpoll noacpi noapic
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1237 [11:49:00] <mynameisjohn> so after the quiet i'll add
irqpoll noacpi noapic
1238 [11:49:05] <klys> yes
1239 [11:49:09] <mynameisjohn> got it :) thanks
1240 [11:49:24] <klys> then boot with F10 or ctrl-x I forget which
1241 [11:49:30] <rant> fling: don't install a desktop
environment, login from terminal after install and manually install
a more minimal system
1242 [11:50:03] <mynameisjohn> It says both - but also, wow greta
memory
1243 [11:50:03] <rant> fling: if you have some idea what it is you
want we could probably suggest more minimal metapackages
1244 [11:50:19] <fling> rant: I'm not installing a DE,
I'm connected to a console and trying to install some gui apps
but there are lots of deps!!
1245 [11:50:26] <mynameisjohn> i'm in
1246 [11:50:38] <mynameisjohn> anything you'd like me to type
into the terminal?
1247 [11:50:43] <klys> mynameisjohn, okay make it crash again
1248 [11:50:43] <mynameisjohn> ...other than rm -rf /
1249 [11:50:47] <mynameisjohn> ok
1250 [11:50:53] <blackflow> (and that woulnd't work anyway)
1251 [11:51:08] <mynameisjohn> haha, done. Just had to open
chromium
1252 [11:51:13] <fling> so how do I skip installing
adwaita-icon-theme and other things?
1253 [11:51:13] <klys> right-o
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1255 [11:51:33] <klys> well I guess from this point we just google
for it
1256 [11:51:42] <mynameisjohn> hahaha, ok ok
1257 [11:51:52] <mynameisjohn> it's an old PC, maybe i should
just buy a new one
1258 [11:51:57] <mynameisjohn> save all of us the trouble
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1260 [11:52:04] <mynameisjohn> but i really apprechiate the help
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1262 [11:52:07] <rant> fling: if the package depends on those
packages somewhere down the line, and you don't want them
installed you have to satisfy the dependency somehow.. look into
equivs perhaps
1263 [11:52:22] <rant> fling: it will likely result in something
not working..
1264 [11:52:49] <mynameisjohn> i should point out that i am a
programmer
1265 [11:52:57] <mynameisjohn> i just don't know linux that
well
1266 [11:53:08] <mynameisjohn> i guess that doesn't make me
immune to PBKAS
1267 [11:53:09] <blackflow> It's okay, I'm a doctor!
1268 [11:54:07] <mynameisjohn> I'm also a doctor, but not
medical :P
1269 [11:54:21] <mynameisjohn> hahaha, which says a lot more than
i wanted to say about my ability to program -_-
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1271 [11:54:36] <rant> klys: idk what you were after with the IRQ
related options, but you need to modify GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in
/etc/default/grub and update-grub and grub-install to make the
changes permanent
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1274 [11:55:18] <blackflow> only update-grub is really needed
(unless installing it for the first time)
1275 [11:55:18] <rant> I can only imagine you were assuming this
wasn't OOM but i/o wait type issues due to swapping or
something
1276 [11:55:39] <klys> rant, I think we disproved the point there.
it may still apply on 32-bit hardware.
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1279 [11:56:20] <blackflow> usually when chrome freezes the whole
thing, it's due to gpu (driver) issues
1280 [11:56:32] <klys> there ye go
1281 [11:56:41] <mynameisjohn> i have onboard gpu
1282 [11:56:46] <mynameisjohn> intel or whatever
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1286 [11:57:19] <mynameisjohn> and i have to say, the graphics on
this machine always sucked. lots of horizontal lines while watching
video. but #non-free you know
1287 [11:57:35] <mynameisjohn> and on a 2Gb machine i guess
that's to be expected
1288 [11:57:46] <rant> a gpu lockup would freeze the mouse
typically and they said the keyboard doesnt respond but the mouse
does
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1291 [11:58:27] <mynameisjohn> well, the last time it froze when i
opened chromium, everything froze. Chromium didn't even load,
the loading mouse icon froze and the whole system
1292 [11:58:42] <n1ce> I have an R9 390X and my screen have the
same issue...
1293 [11:58:45] <mynameisjohn> before, the mouse would move around
a little, and then the whole system would freeze
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1296 [11:59:19] <mynameisjohn> actually, when i came down today to
check it after it froze last night and i just left it on, when i
came down the screen was all mangled, like blocks of white and
static
1297 [11:59:29] <mynameisjohn> but who knows when a computer
crashes what broke first
1298 [11:59:52] <klys> mynameisjohn, do you get that with firefox?
1299 [12:00:03] <mynameisjohn> i don't have FF installed, but
i'll try that now
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1304 [12:01:02] <klys> or, idk: other than chromium, you can
probably get that with some other programs
1305 [12:01:37] * rant hands mynameisjohn a SAK
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1307 [12:03:31] <klys> mynameisjohn, is it a ryzen pc?
1308 [12:03:39] <rant> heh
1309 [12:04:01] <mynameisjohn> hehe
1310 [12:04:40] <klys> ah, it's an old pc. nm.
1311 [12:04:44] <mynameisjohn> i put it together myself over the
years with parts from older PCs. It was originally a home theater
but now it's a security-camera server
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1314 [12:05:15] <mynameisjohn> so it's, heh, past it's
prime. But still a good machine. 2.4Ghz Intel Core Duo.
1315 [12:05:36] <klys> well I had that irqpoll issue on a 320bit
amd box from ~2003.
1316 [12:05:42] <klys> 32-bit*
1317 [12:05:42] <mynameisjohn> 2Gb of RAM *upgraded* to 4Gb,
although now it doesn't stay on. Blu-ray burning drive that i
burnt all my christmas cash on once and have barely ever used
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1319 [12:06:33] <mynameisjohn> oh
1320 [12:06:42] <mynameisjohn> the screen is doing cool shit, one
sec i'll take a photo
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1322 [12:09:26] <rant> you could also have bad ram, bad PSU, or be
over your output wattage
1323 [12:09:55] <rant> cause sounds to me like you got the machine
doing a lot and messing up when you do something intensive
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1325 [12:10:47] <rant> I was just looking at a machine earlier on
amazon that had a Core i5 and only a 265W PSU for a full mid-tower..
would be real f'n easy to brown out a machine like that adding
HW
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1329 [12:11:42] <mynameisjohn> oh
1330 [12:12:01] <mynameisjohn> i... do have like... 4 HDDs and a
Bluray drive in this thing. Could be power
1331 [12:12:05] <mynameisjohn> maybe if i unplug some of these
HDDs
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1333 [12:12:57] <mynameisjohn>
replaced-url
1334 [12:13:25] <mynameisjohn> Although since uploading that, the
screen has gone back to black, the mouse cursor appeared, and also
moves around still
1335 [12:13:32] <klys> yeah if you're shopping for a psu this
year, it's ~900W
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1337 [12:14:16] <mynameisjohn> 500W coolermaster
1338 [12:14:46] <klys> when shopping for a psu, i tend to search
silent/quiet
1339 [12:15:34] <t3st3r> maybe GPU failire, something like loss of
contact to GPU/VRAM
1340 [12:16:13] <toruvinn> last time i've seen something like
this on my scren was fried ram on my GPU
1341 [12:16:23] <toruvinn> that was gf7300gs, passively cooled.
1342 [12:16:31] <t3st3r> what GPU this thing is?
1343 [12:16:45] <klys> t3st3r, interesting. it's integrated
intel gfx.
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1345 [12:17:05] <t3st3r> then it shouldn't have vram and
assoc problems...
1346 [12:17:13] <toruvinn> yeah.
1347 [12:17:17] <rant> mynameisjohn: 7200RPM 3.5" or more
like 5400RPM green or something?
1348 [12:17:21] <t3st3r> so I guess it wrong idea.
1349 [12:18:00] <rant> mynameisjohn: there are sites online that
have power consumption calculators or approx usage of various types
of devices..
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1351 [12:18:33] <mynameisjohn> nope, i unplugged the two unused
HDDs and the bluray but it still crashes
1352 [12:18:41] <mynameisjohn> although this time it also
rebooted, which is unusually
1353 [12:19:23] <t3st3r> Maybe DC-DC circuits around GPU are
giving up. Are papacitors on MB okay, etc?
1354 [12:19:29] <mynameisjohn> oh
1355 [12:19:46] <rant> yes it could be capacitors in a reulator
dried out over time
1356 [12:19:53] <mynameisjohn> i just remembered, i've hooked
this up to my house light circuit
1357 [12:19:59] <t3st3r> They can start to have very specific look
due to "capacitors plague".
1358 [12:20:17] <mynameisjohn> because it's always on. Maybe
if i switch over to a regular AC wall outlet instead of tapping a
light it might work
1359 [12:20:20] <rant> they can be far out of spec without looking
any different
1360 [12:20:34] <rant> you need an in-circuit esr meter to really
know for sure
1361 [12:20:47] <t3st3r> Yeah, though most often they do get
specific look fortunately.
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1363 [12:21:37] <t3st3r> current in CPU DC-DC is usually enough to
heat 'em further and make them vent eventually.
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1365 [12:21:49] <rant> thats only if the magic smoke is coming out
:P
1366 [12:22:09] <rant> the magic smoke doesnt have to come out to
make em perform below spec.. it can just dry out
1367 [12:22:28] <mynameisjohn> er
1368 [12:22:32] <mynameisjohn> ...
1369 [12:22:34] <mynameisjohn> it didn't crash.
1370 [12:22:37] <mynameisjohn> wtf
1371 [12:23:01] <mynameisjohn> The screen resolution is also a bit
different. It's like super low quality and zoomed in a little
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1373 [12:23:34] <klys> mynameisjohn, less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
1374 [12:23:49] <klys> it will give a reason for your resolution
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1379 [12:26:32] <mynameisjohn> oh, its NVIDIA drivers
1380 [12:26:40] <mynameisjohn> i can't get over this
electrical socket thing
1381 [12:26:49] <mynameisjohn> its not supposed to be different, i
wired it myself
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1383 [12:27:05] <mynameisjohn> i'm going to bust out the
multimeter and see why the power is different
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1386 [12:27:21] <klys> the only difference I can see is if it
isn't grounded properly
1387 [12:27:56] <mynameisjohn> i wired up the ground of the PSU to
the ground of the wire, but maybe the wire isn't grounded
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1389 [12:28:35] <mynameisjohn> is there a way to grab the
/var/log/Xorg.0.log file and post it online for you to see?
1390 [12:28:45] <mynameisjohn> it's very long and i have no
idea what part is important and what is irrelevant
1391 [12:28:51] <mynameisjohn> like, from the terminal, somehow
1392 [12:28:57] <oiaohm> mynameisjohn: there is a difference
between a floating ground and a real ground.
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1394 [12:29:32] <klys> there's a program called pastebinit
1395 [12:29:39] <mynameisjohn> oiaohm: right right, but this is a
house neutral/230v/ground, although
1396 [12:29:50] <mynameisjohn> although the cable is a 3-phase
cable so actually it might only be 120v
1397 [12:29:58] <mynameisjohn> or whatever, i need to check
1398 [12:30:14] <mynameisjohn> i can't believe it runs now
though
1399 [12:30:25] <mynameisjohn> i have stuggled with this for the
best part of a week
1400 [12:30:39] <mynameisjohn> power supply. who'd have
thought. god dammit.
1401 [12:30:50] <mynameisjohn> but i'm glad. don't get
me wrong i'm glad. but damn.
1402 [12:30:58] <mynameisjohn> I'm *really* sorry for wasting
everyone's time
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1404 [12:31:07] <klys> :.)
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1407 [12:31:35] <oiaohm> mynameisstupid: some power supplies your
DC negitives ie what people would call grounds are meant to be
floating grounds.
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1409 [12:31:58] <oiaohm> mynameisstupid: and if you start wiring
them to normal ground magic issues can happen.
1410 [12:32:49] <mynameisstupid> while apt-get install pastebinit,
"Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg recevied a segmentation fault
1411 [12:32:58] <mynameisstupid> and the sceen is all weird but it
isn'T freezing
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1415 [12:33:19] <blackflow> mynameisstupid: is dmesg showing the
kernel screaming bloody gore about errors?
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1418 [12:35:18] <klys> most new nvidia cards support
function-level reset. that won't help you, though. I guess I
was just thinking about restarting Xorg.
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1432 [12:41:53] <mynameisstupid> ok it froze again. Wall socket
has 236V, light power had 228V, so, i mean, it's possible but
unlikely that that is the issue. I think it was a co-incidence
1433 [12:41:57] <mynameisstupid> And now i think it's a
driver issue
1434 [12:42:08] <mynameisstupid> although i don't know how
adding RAM would affect a GPU
1435 [12:42:18] <t3st3r> 228V should be more than okay.
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1437 [12:43:08] <klys> 210-220VAC is standard
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1439 [12:43:33] <mynameisstupid> ok, hm.
1440 [12:43:59] <t3st3r> Most PSUs can live with rather broad
range of voltage. Modern things with APFC are even could be full
range.
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1442 [12:45:17] <SwedeMike> across europe it's everything
from 220V-240V standard, and it can even be outside that. A modern
switched-mode PSU doesn't care.
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1444 [12:45:47] <mynameisstupid> the honeybadger of power supply
units
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1446 [12:46:08] <ws2k3> is it true that on debian 9 aptitude is
not installed by default?
1447 [12:46:27] <rant> ,i aptitude
1448 [12:46:28] <judd> Package aptitude (admin, optional) in
stretch/amd64: terminal-based package manager. Version: 0.8.7-1;
Size: 1443.2k; Installed: 4452k; Homepage:
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1449 [12:46:39] <rant> ws2k3: its an optional package
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1454 [12:51:36] <mynameisstupid> ok, i've reached max drama.
I'm going to try re-installing everything and see if that fixes
it
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1486 [13:16:13] <wwilliam> hello how do i print the line that is
not present like so "file $x is not present" the following
loop prints everything in the morepdfs file
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1488 [13:16:34] <wwilliam> while read -r x;do if ! grep -R
"$x" . ;then echo "$x was not transfer";fi;done
< /home/afernandez/morepdfs
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1490 [13:17:17] <cusco> test -e
1491 [13:17:40] <wwilliam> ?
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1543 [14:00:32] <ws2k3> what does the -e do in #!/bin/sh -e in
/etc/rc.local
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1561 [14:11:04] <karlpinc> ws2k3: -e means exit immediately on an
error
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1563 [14:11:17] <karlpinc> ws2k3: Don't keep running the
script
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1565 [14:12:01] <ws2k3> karlpinc thanks so if i dont want behavior
i can just remove -e right? as long as there is an exit 0 at the
bottum right?
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1570 [14:13:34] <karlpinc> ws2k3: Yes. You don't need an exit
0 at the bottom. It'll exit with the exit status of the last
executed command if you leave that out.
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1608 [14:40:26] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone, i can't find lex
or a package that contains lex
1609 [14:40:35] <rocketmagnet> i'm on stable
1610 [14:40:47] <rocketmagnet> is bison the new lex ?
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1612 [14:40:56] <rocketmagnet> or flex ?
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1614 [14:41:09] <rocketmagnet> flex is the ne lex .. is that right
?
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1618 [14:42:04] * esr saw a reference to an in-circuit esr meter and was
amused.
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1620 [14:42:38] <esr> flex is the new lex. bison is the new yacc.
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1627 [14:45:28] <jelly> where "new" like "25 years
old"
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1633 [14:49:57] <jelly> ,file bin/lex
1634 [14:50:02] <judd> Search for bin/lex in stretch/amd64:
flex-old: usr/bin/lex; flex: usr/bin/lex
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1678 [15:16:16] <altker128> question: Is there a utility I can use
to browse a remote apt repository that doesn't have a web
front-end enabled?
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1680 [15:17:12] <altker128> This is for a different architecture
(ARM) than my current machine ; but I'm trying to grab a deb
and unpack it
1681 [15:17:39] <Brigo> altker128, ftp?
1682 [15:18:05] <Brigo> altker128, you can use apt for that, just
with -d (download only)
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1684 [15:18:45] <Kobaz> sooooo, how would i see what process is
sending another process a SIGTERM
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1686 [15:19:01] <ksk> you dont afaik.
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1691 [15:20:23] <Kobaz> i know there's tracing/profiling
stuff you can hook into, i can't think of the name of the
subsystem
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1694 [15:21:23] <blackflow> Kobaz: auditing? Like with AppArmor?
1695 [15:21:44] <Kobaz> oh
1696 [15:21:45] <Kobaz> i figured it out
1697 [15:21:46] <Kobaz> ugh
1698 [15:21:49] <Kobaz> god damn systemd
1699 [15:21:52] <Kobaz> Feb 22 09:20:31 asterisk01 systemd:
asterisk.service start operation timed out. Terminating.
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1702 [15:22:04] <blackflow> Kobaz: you should know better.
1703 [15:22:12] <Kobaz> well, this isn't my system
1704 [15:22:20] <blackflow> I meant flooding
1705 [15:22:24] <Kobaz> :P
1706 [15:22:47] <blackflow> as to the problem, it's probably
not systemd's fault. what exactly is happening, what are you
expecting instead?
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1711 [15:24:34] <Kobaz> meh
1712 [15:24:35] <Kobaz> well
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1714 [15:24:50] <Kobaz> asterisk *is* starting properly
1715 [15:24:54] <Kobaz> systemd doesn't think so, it kills it
1716 [15:25:15] <blackflow> Kobaz: is it _configured_ properly for
systemd to recognize that?
1717 [15:25:22] <Kobaz> who knows
1718 [15:25:28] <Kobaz> it's not my system, but... we baby
sit it
1719 [15:25:32] <blackflow> see, vast majority of "goddamn
systemd" issues are due to bad config, misunderstanding systemd
or bad distro defaults
1720 [15:25:39] <Kobaz> all i know is 'everything was
fine' yesterday
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1723 [15:26:19] <blackflow> is there a TimeoutStartSec limit?
1724 [15:26:59] <Kobaz> sooooo
1725 [15:27:16] <Kobaz> <--- systemd newb.... where would that
setting be located
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1729 [15:29:37] <blackflow> oic. well, systemctl status
asterisk.service (or whatever the unit name is) will show you origin
of the unit. probably /lib/systemd/system/... with optional
overrides under /etc/systemd/system/...
1730 [15:30:07] <blackflow> you could also check what systemd sees
(effective config after any overrides) with systemctl cat
<service name>
1731 [15:30:21] <Kobaz> so basically what i did for the moment,
since these people are screaming... was stop/disable asterisk and
start it manually
1732 [15:30:28] <blackflow> and theres #systemd here on Freenode
should you need more help about systemd
1733 [15:30:28] <Kobaz> so, current disaster averted, now we can
debug
1734 [15:30:43] <Kobaz> /usr/lib/systemd/system/asterisk.service
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1738 [15:31:41] <Kobaz> no TimeoutStartSec
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1740 [15:31:57] <Kobaz> i have this though: Restart=on-failure
RestartSec=1
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1742 [15:32:51] <blackflow> Kobaz: do you know what those
directives do?
1743 [15:33:52] <Kobaz> looks like RestartSec is duration in
between restarts
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1746 [15:34:07] <Kobaz> those look like the only restart related
options that set set... no other timeouts, etc
1747 [15:34:14] <blackflow> Kobaz: btw, please pastebin the output
of `systemctl cat asterisk.service`, as well as `journalctl -u
asterisk.service -n 20` (assuming last 20 lines would suffice)
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1749 [15:35:56] <Kobaz>
replaced-url
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1751 [15:35:57] <jmcnaught> It's odd that the service unit is
in /usr/lib/systemd when Debian doesn't put unit files there
1752 [15:36:06] <Kobaz> oh, right
1753 [15:36:11] <Kobaz> it's umm... not debian
1754 [15:36:37] <Kobaz> i just was like, oh crap things are
dieing... where should i ask about systemd.... oh here!
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1756 [15:37:00] <jmcnaught> probably better to ask in the
distro's channel, or an asterisk or systemd channel
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1758 [15:37:19] <Kobaz> asterisk part i got.. that's not the
issue
1759 [15:37:29] <blackflow> Kobaz: that's okay. I'm
bored so I'll waste your time some more with debian specific
solutions.
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1761 [15:37:34] <Kobaz> it's systemd and it's penchent
for restarting a perfectly good service
1762 [15:38:07] <blackflow> Kobaz: I thought ou said you were
systemd noob? or you have actual experience in order to be able to
say there's a .... "penchent for restarting a perfectly
good service"?
1763 [15:38:14] <blackflow> can't be both
1764 [15:38:24] <Kobaz> i'm not an asterisk noob
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1766 [15:38:40] <blackflow> nor did I say that. please re-read
what I said.
1767 [15:38:50] <Kobaz> that's my thing.. that's why
we're maintaing this system... i KNOW asterisk. that's not
the issue. Yes asterisk is a perfectly good service. IT's 100%
operational and gets restarted by systemd
1768 [15:39:05] <Kobaz> i'm backing up my statement of
restarting a perfectly good service
1769 [15:39:33] <Kobaz> so yeah, i'll go bug the #systemd
peoples
1770 [15:39:33] <blackflow> Kobaz: so other than those warnings,
is there another log which might explain its startup problems?
1771 [15:39:41] <ksk> please rant in #systemd, thanks.
1772 [15:39:47] <blackflow> indee.d
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1774 [15:39:59] <Kobaz> the warnings are fine... the vendor who
built this system didn't set up everything in the 'new
way' to avoid the warnings
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1776 [15:40:33] <blackflow> Kobaz: the unit says Type=notify. Do
you know what that means and why systemd would be sensitive about
thinking asterisk is in failure mode?
1777 [15:41:03] <Kobaz> I don't know what type=notify is, i
can look that one up
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1779 [15:41:29] <blackflow> Kobaz: well basically, it is asterisk
itself that signals systemd about startup success or failure
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1781 [15:42:05] <Kobaz> well, if you run the normal command line
to start asteirsk on this system, the return is success/0
1782 [15:42:23] <Kobaz> which is exactly what I did to rescue the
system... shut down the service in systemd and start it manually
1783 [15:42:27] <blackflow> Kobaz: "normal"? is that via
systemctl?
1784 [15:42:45] <Kobaz> not sure what it returns via running from
systemctl, not sure how to debug that
1785 [15:43:00] <blackflow> or did you use the "service"
command which is... uhm.... systemctl
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1787 [15:43:04] <Coosh> window 5
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1789 [15:43:09] <blackflow> or do you actually have an init script
there too?
1790 [15:43:22] <blackflow> (thought that success/0 looks like
systemd)
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1793 [15:43:59] <Kobaz> basically, here's what I did...
service asterisk stop.. /usr/sbin/asterisk -g -f -U asterisk (same
commandline as systemd cfg)... echo $? : 0
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1796 [15:44:29] <blackflow> Kobaz: well that's not really the
same thing, there's no systemd FDs for notify
1797 [15:44:37] <Kobaz> right, it's very manual
1798 [15:44:44] <blackflow> shoudl really investigate why asterisk
is singalling failure
1799 [15:44:47] <Kobaz> just saying what i've done so far
1800 [15:46:24] <blackflow> and I'm telling you why systemd
is doing what it's doing. It is TOLD SO. By the unit file
(restart on failure, which it'll retry a few times and then
hard fail, it's not gonna loop forever), and by asterisk
itself.
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1802 [15:46:45] <blackflow> now, look up the logs and see if it
says anythign there, and continue this in your distro specific
channel please. or #systemd.
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1804 [15:47:17] <Kobaz> right, but what is failing, is the
question
1805 [15:47:18] <Kobaz> it's not asterisk
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1807 [15:47:57] <blackflow> it most likely is asterisk and
Type=notify
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1809 [15:48:11] <Kobaz> i'll check out the type=notify stuff
1810 [15:48:15] <blackflow> some daemons require explicit
configuration option to know they're run under Type=notify. is
that the case with asterisk?
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1812 [15:48:40] <eksegenis> # safe_asterisk runs Asterisk in a
virtual console. This allows easy
1813 [15:48:40] <eksegenis> # access to the asterisk command-line
without logging it.
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1815 [15:49:10] <blackflow> you can also change that to
Type=simple (or just comment out #Type, that's default) to
achieve the same thing as your command line
1816 [15:49:20] <blackflow> but eh... really, not a #debian issue.
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1823 [15:52:22] <Kobaz> right
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1825 [15:52:37] <Kobaz> agreed, just the first place i started
asking
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1827 [15:53:42] <jelly> blackflow: a suboptimal service definition
provided by the distro _is_ a #debian issue if the distro is, in
fact, Debian
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1831 [15:56:50] <jelly> but debian usually takes some minimum care
not to ship broken-by-default service unit definitions
1832 [15:57:01] <Kobaz> yeap
1833 [15:57:21] <blackflow> jelly: but we're told it
isn't, so...
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1850 [16:06:04] <jelly> !spank Kobaz
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*THWACK*
1852 [16:07:22] <Kobaz> thanks!
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1855 [16:08:26] <Kobaz> mmm
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1878 [16:15:39] <muhaha> How is started pulseaudio in debian ? I
am using lightdm, seems that arch has a target
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1879 [16:16:18] <muhaha> or should I just put pulseaudio --start
to .xsession ?
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1886 [16:19:51] <ksk> muhaha: pulseaudio seems to be started via
systemd in debian, too. Its running on my fcxcfce
installODODODODODODODODODODODODODODODODODODODODODODODODODODODODODODAnd
OCi
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1888 [16:20:12] <ksk> dafuq. ignore these characters..
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1893 [16:21:29] <ksk> oh nvm, it seems not. systemctl status shows
every process, did not know.
1894 [16:21:46] <ksk> seems to be started via my sessionsmanager.
but I did not have to edit anything, seems to be default for xfce.
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1900 [16:23:38] <OerHeks> systemctl enable --user
pulseaudio.service
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1904 [16:25:09] <muhaha> oh, thanks
1905 [16:25:16] <muhaha> Why --user space ?
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1911 [16:26:26] <ksk> because you want X related stuff (and I
think pulseaudio is) in the users context.
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1913 [16:26:54] <OerHeks> not sure --user is demandatory, but it
works for me
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1915 [16:27:26] <OerHeks> this 'enable' makes the
service start on boot
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1917 [16:29:42] <ayekat> muhaha: the wiki article there actually
mentions that it's a user service
1918 [16:31:19] <ayekat> or rather, a user socket, which then
starts the user service
1919 [16:31:23] <muhaha> Thanks. Still its not working for me..
(Yes, I am that guy who want to run X11 app with flatpak on debian
stretch without DE). Pulseaudio is running now, but I am not sure
its connectable for user autologed with lightdm
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1928 [16:35:09] <blackflow> muhaha: tht was about kodi? its'
been days now.... wouldn't it have been better if you just
installed a regular desktop, even if it's in server role?
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1931 [16:36:32] <muhaha> Maybe
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2014 [17:26:06] <leonlemouton>
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2019 [17:26:36] <leonlemouton> hi ! listen. I can help. No matter.
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2030 [17:32:48] <leonlemouton> I love mate and lxqt.
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2055 [17:51:54] <hetOrakel> Hi all, i posted this question about 2
weeks back in the Xen channel and they directed me here. I thought i
solved the problem but i can reproduce it 100%. When i detach a
bcache Debian crashes. Please see take a look in here:
replaced-url
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2059 [17:57:50] <Tenkawa> yay now I have a fast linux dual boot
portable system again with good amount of storage
2060 [17:58:03] <Tenkawa> that usb stick was reallly messing my
system up
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2074 [18:06:25] <jelly> hetOrakel: file a bug report against
linux-image-4.9.0-8-amd64 package after checking whether
there's already a matching one. You might also ask in #bcache
channel on irc.oftc.net if there is a known bug in 4.9.130
2075 [18:07:08] <jelly> longterm kernel branches like 4.9 do not
always get all the fixes
2076 [18:09:11] <jelly> hetOrakel: you can also try the 4.19 build
from stretch-backports if you're in a hurry
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2098 [18:21:07] <poseid> hello... I have a unix rsync question....
where could i ask it?
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2101 [18:23:01] <somiaj> poseid: if it is about rsync on debian
systems, here is fine. If you want to ask about generic linux, there
is also ##linux
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2104 [18:25:02] <jelly> !ask
2105 [18:25:02] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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2138 [18:47:41] <muhaha> Is dbus launched with lightdm by default
?
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2144 [18:49:37] <jelly> muhaha: dbus runs at boot, before login
2145 [18:50:44] <muhaha> I have a problem that user autologged
with lightdm has no access to dbus ( and pulseaudio) Any idea?
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2148 [18:52:23] <jelly> muhaha: autologged in to what kind of
session?
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2150 [18:53:46] <muhaha> Xsession
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2152 [18:54:12] <jelly> if I log in to a KDE session on Debian 9,
at some point "systemd --user" gets started, and it spawns
both a "dbus-daemon --user" and a pulseaudio. I don't
have a global, system pulseaudio process at all.
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2160 [18:58:15] <jelly> muhaha: so you pick "Default
Xsession" in lightdm? Is this a fresh install of Debian 9 or an
upgrade?
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2168 [19:01:15] <muhaha> Its fresh Stretch server install without
any DE, just lightdm greeter... I am using xsession to run X11 app.
But It has no access to dbus and pulseaudio
2169 [19:01:41] <muhaha> User is in groups: dialout cdrom audio
dip video plugdev users input pulse-access
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2171 [19:02:27] <jelly> muhaha: does systemd --user get started?
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2176 [19:06:39] <muhaha> ps -ef | grep [p]ulseaudio root 1658 1655
0 17:38 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=no
2177 [19:06:42] <muhaha> yes
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2196 [19:14:29] <muhaha> jelly: or what do you mean?
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2205 [19:20:10] <jelly> muhaha: is there a process matching ps -ef
| grep 'systemd --user' ?
2206 [19:21:44] <muhaha> yes
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2209 [19:23:08] <muhaha> 'dbus-daemon --user' is not
running... pulseaudio is running, because I did systemd --user
enable pulseaudio
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2211 [19:23:58] <jelly> sorry, that one should probably look like
"dbus-daemon --session" ... not --user
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2216 [19:24:58] <jelly> muhaha: do things work better if you stop
and disable the global pulseaudio service, and log off and on again?
2217 [19:25:17] <muhaha> This is running: message+ 534 1 0 19:20 ?
00:00:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system --address=systemd: --nofork
--nopidfile --systemd-activation
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2220 [19:26:01] <jelly> that's global dbus
2221 [19:26:23] <OerHeks> oops, i gave bad advise :-(
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2224 [19:26:54] <muhaha> In this case,... I have no other dbus
process running
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2231 [19:28:58] <jelly> muhaha: okay... can you enable user
dbus.service just like you did with user pulseaudio
2232 [19:29:24] <jelly> perhaps there are undeclared dependencies
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2234 [19:31:00] * jelly has no idea how these things are supposed to be
enabled manually
2235 [19:31:28] <jelly> muhaha: and then log off and back on I
suppose
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2246 [19:34:51] <muhaha> systemctl --user enable dbus.service
Failed to enable unit: File dbus.service: No such file or directory
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2248 [19:35:30] <muhaha> systemctl enable dbus.service ->
replaced-url
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2255 [19:38:03] <jelly> don't mess with global dbus, noone
asked for that
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2259 [19:39:24] <jelly> muhaha: is dbus-user-session package
installed?
2260 [19:40:21] <jelly> if not, install it, reboot, see how things
fare
2261 [19:41:13] <jelly> there's a
/etc/X11/Xsession.d/20dbus_xdg-runtime so that bit probably starts
it from Xsession
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2270 [19:46:08] <jelly> muhaha: dunno if that's the useful
one or dbus-x11
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2277 [19:50:50] <muhaha> its started now, but pulseaudio still not
working.
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2279 [19:51:42] <jelly> did you disable the global one
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2281 [19:51:58] <jelly> (global pulseaudio service)
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2287 [19:55:10] <muhaha> systemctl --user status
pulseaudio.service -> this is enabled
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2314 [20:02:20] <nidhoegger> Hi, i am currently creating a package
for a server that also will play sound. I have created a new user
for that purpose and added him to the audio group. unfortunately, I
cannot, from command line, enumerate the audio devices with SDL. Is
there a group or an access right I am missing?
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2318 [20:08:01] <nidhoegger> or will I need to put pulseaudio in
system mode for that?
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2321 [20:09:31] <muhaha> alsa or pulseaudio? There is also
pulseaudi-access group
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2331 [20:15:13] <nidhoegger> sorry, if someone wrote me something,
my internet broke down (LTE)
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2401 [20:57:12] <star314> After an update to the latest version of
Debian stretch yesterday, firewall logs, which normally go to
/var/log/kern.log, start to flood dmesg. Any idea where I should
look in order to disable this behavior?
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2405 [20:58:59] <jhutchins> star314: What firewall?
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2408 [21:00:10] <star314> jhutchins: Shorewall. Everything was
fine before the update.
2409 [21:00:35] <star314> As far as I remember, the update
involved a kernel update and a systemd update.
2410 [21:01:22] <star314> I guess this behavior is related to the
systemd update
2411 [21:01:28] <jhutchins> I'd start with the docs for
shorewall then, including the changelog.
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2414 [21:02:33] <star314> hmm, I can take a look at, but there was
definitely no update of the shorewall package
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2416 [21:03:40] <jhutchins> Well, the docs should tell you what
the log mechanism is, and obviously kernel & systemd changelogs.
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looking gone!
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2500 [21:48:11] <xormor> hello. why is icedtea-netx
"pending"/"waiting" to be upgraded, not upgraded
right away after I have tried to upgrade the system?
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2504 [21:50:13] <xormor> if I remove icedtea-netx will my browser
still be able to do banking and the normal stuff, like Facebook etc?
I don't play Java games anymore
2505 [21:50:18] <muhaha> jelly: are You here? I solved pulseaudio
issues with putting pulseaudio --start && /usr/bin/myx11app
to .xsession, seems that systemctl --user enable/start pulseaudio
does not work in this case. I dont know why :X
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2522 [22:05:15] <thavlik> How can I add the sid repository to my
fresh stretch install? I am wanting to install this
replaced-url
2523 [22:05:42] <thavlik> I've been modifying
/etc/apt/sources.list and have had no luck
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2528 [22:06:04] <thavlik> `deb
replaced-url
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2539 [22:10:09] <blackflow> thavlik: that's not correct
usage.... "unstable" aka sid would be in place of
"stretch". there's no component "unstable".
2540 [22:10:43] <blackflow>
replaced-url
2541 [22:10:48] <thavlik> blackflow, I am wanting to install that
software. The documentation for debian is *very* unclear about how
to do this. It says a few words on it and provides precisely zero
examples
2542 [22:11:04] <blackflow> thavlik: this link explains it
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2544 [22:11:26] <thavlik> blackflow, and provides no examples
2545 [22:11:33] <blackflow> thavlik: meanwhile.... not sure you
should be using sid, being unable to find this information on your
own.
2546 [22:11:35] <thavlik> I have no idea what this one value needs
to be :)
2547 [22:12:00] <blackflow> did you read the link? it explains ALL
parts of the source entries
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2549 [22:12:02] <thavlik> I know what is going on here. I've
read that twice. I've tried a handful of things that are
tangential to what it suggests
2550 [22:12:05] <thavlik> Yes. Did you?
2551 [22:12:18] <thavlik> I have definitely RTFM on this one. It
is insufficient.
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2553 [22:13:14] <thavlik> guess I'll just wait for twelve
hours while I build llvm from the source
2554 [22:13:33] <blackflow> thavlik: which part of this you ahve
problems understanding? "The 'distribution' can be
either the release code name / alias (jessie, stretch, buster, sid)
or the release class (oldstable, stable, testing, unstable)
respectively."
2555 [22:13:42] <apteryx> hello! Where can I find the sources
(VCVS) for the GCC package of Debian 9 ?
2556 [22:13:48] <apteryx> I tried Salsa, but I'm lost.
2557 [22:14:04] <blackflow> thavlik: given this format of the
sources entry, from that same page: "deb
replaced-url
2558 [22:14:21] <blackflow> thavlik: so if you want unstable aka
sid, which of those you think you should replace?
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2560 [22:14:44] <blackflow> really if you can't do that, then
sid is NOT for you. start stable, get used to it, familiar with
internals, before you go unstable.
2561 [22:15:15] <zleap> hi
2562 [22:15:22] <siloxid> can anyone recommend a terminal emulator
that goes to the next tab with C-Tab and to the previous tab with
C-Shift-Tab?
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2564 [22:15:49] <blackflow> apteryx:
replaced-url
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2566 [22:16:22] <thavlik> blackflow, thanks. That is literally all
I wanted to know.
2567 [22:16:45] <blackflow> thavlik: that's copy pasted from
that link
2568 [22:16:58] <zleap> seem to have an odd issue with my desktop
(deb 9, + xfce) in that the wall paper seems to be shifted to the
right
2569 [22:17:36] <zleap> however that leaves about a 1.5" gap
on the left, the file manager window won't move past that left
edge, but the panel is shown unless I click in that blank area
2570 [22:17:43] <thavlik> blackflow, it was unclear if I wanted to
REPLACE the repo for my distribution or include sid with it. Only by
your suggestion has it been made clear that this is what is
_necessary_ to accomplish what I am wanting. It did not seem like
that was what I wanted before.
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2573 [22:18:09] <jhutchins> thavlik: You ADD the src repo for sid.
2574 [22:18:10] <thavlik> blackflow, that seems undesirable to
include sid packages at the exclusion of stable packages, hence why
it is unclear
2575 [22:18:18] <thavlik> Oh
2576 [22:18:25] <jhutchins> !ssb
2577 [22:18:25] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude
install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b
source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change
compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions
newer than sid see <uupdate>.
2578 [22:18:48] <blackflow> thavlik: no you can have both, and
then explicitly select repo from which you install -- but
that's very much advanced use and not recommended unless you
know what you're doing
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2580 [22:18:53] <siloxid`> ^ if anyone responded, please repeat as
it looks like I went offline somehow
2581 [22:19:02] <blackflow> thavlik: though you'll need one
line per "distribution" you want to enable
2582 [22:19:03] <jhutchins> thavlik: You should not attempt to
install testing or unstable packages on stable.
2583 [22:19:10] <thavlik> blackflow, I am fine breaking my install
for pedagogical purposes
2584 [22:19:16] <thavlik> jhutchins, this is a fresh install
2585 [22:19:18] <blackflow> good luck, then :)
2586 [22:19:21] <jhutchins> thavlik: Unless you enjoy doing system
re-installs.
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2588 [22:19:58] <jhutchins> thavlik: The correct way to do it is
as above from dpkg. Download the source, build the package against
the stable headers and libraries.
2589 [22:20:01] <thavlik> jhutchins, nah :) just clone a new image
2590 [22:20:20] <thavlik> This is insane
2591 [22:20:23] <jhutchins> !frankendebian
2592 [22:20:23] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about
<reinstall>
2593 [22:20:42] <thavlik> It's this big of a pain to get a
modern binary for LLVM on debian?
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2595 [22:21:33] <jhutchins> If you put a sid binary repo on your
system, you don't have any control of which packages will be
updated unless you use pinning.
2596 [22:21:52] <jhutchins> !pinning
2597 [22:21:52] <dpkg> Pinning is a method to choose which version
of a package to install when multiple versions are available from
<sources.list>. Bugs are explained at
replaced-url
2598 [22:22:25] <jhutchins> ,v llvm
2599 [22:22:26] <judd> Package: llvm on amd64 -- wheezy:
1:3.0-14+nmu2; jessie: 1:3.5-25; stretch: 1:3.8-36; buster:
1:7.0-47; sid: 1:7.0-47
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2603 [22:23:41] <jhutchins> thavlik: If there are significant
features or bug fixes, you can request a backport from buster.
2604 [22:24:10] <thavlik> jhutchins, sounds like a pain in the ass
2605 [22:24:15] <thavlik> to be completely honest
2606 [22:24:30] <blackflow> thavlik: the price of stability
2607 [22:24:48] <blackflow> but once you're familiar with the
process, backporting becomes rather easy
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2609 [22:25:01] <jhutchins> thavlik: The point of Debian is stable
reliability, not bleeding edge development.
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2612 [22:25:51] <AmarOk1412> hi !
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2614 [22:26:17] <thavlik> jhutchins, there comes a point where
stability is achieved and offering ancient software with no quick or
convenient means of acquiring anything newer is simply
counterproductive
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2616 [22:26:35] <AmarOk1412> Do you know where can I find the
source for the .deb of gcc-6-base (6.3.0-18+deb9u1)
2617 [22:26:47] <thavlik> I'm sure manpower has more to do
with it than the system itself
2618 [22:26:47] <blackflow> thavlik: right tool for the job. if
you want bleeding edge, debian stable is not the right tool
2619 [22:26:55] <AmarOk1412> There is a lot of different gcc in
salsa
2620 [22:27:10] <thavlik> blackflow, I want stable. I also want
pre-built binaries that are less than five years old.
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2622 [22:27:13] <jhutchins> tharkun: There are ways to get newer
software. If there aren't significant advantages for enough
people though, there won't be a backport.
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2624 [22:27:24] <jhutchins> thavlik: ^
2625 [22:27:29] <jhutchins> tharkun: Sry.
2626 [22:27:30] <AmarOk1412> but the one which seems offical
don't have anythin related to 6.3.0-18+deb9u1
2627 [22:27:55] <Tenkawa> AmarOk1412: do you have a deb-src line
in sources.list
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2629 [22:28:05] <blackflow> thavlik: you have conflicting desires
2630 [22:28:11] <AmarOk1412> and packages.debian.org doesn't
seem to have the .tar.gz with the sources
2631 [22:28:14] <thavlik> blackflow, not at all conflicting.
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2633 [22:28:28] <zleap> back later need to figure out what this
issue is
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2635 [22:28:44] <jhutchins> thavlik: Yes, "running
Debian" and "wanting the latest packages".
2636 [22:28:51] <thavlik> jhutchins, not "latest"
2637 [22:28:52] <Tenkawa> if there is you should be able to pull
it that way
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2640 [22:29:43] <thavlik> jhutchins, all I am saying is that
ideally it shouldn't be this risky or difficult
2641 [22:29:44] <blackflow> thavlik: llvm7 was released a few
months ago. that's very much too soon for the level of stable
reliability Debian aims for.
2642 [22:29:49] <blackflow> that's literally bleeding edge
2643 [22:29:54] <thavlik> blackflow, I could use older versions
2644 [22:30:02] <thavlik> blackflow, that was just the link that
was sent to me
2645 [22:30:09] <jmcnaught> thavlik: Debian has always had this
model. Every couple of years there's a new stable release, but
then it's frozen except for security and bug fixes until the
next stable release. Also the LLVM in stretch is from 2016
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2647 [22:30:25] <thavlik> blackflow, but I am speaking generally.
I understand the desires of Debian. If it had more manpower, this
would be less of an issue.
2648 [22:30:30] <blackflow> thavlik: well buster has 7 and
it's about to be released in a few months.
2649 [22:30:31] <apteryx> blackflow: aren't there tags for
new revisions (releases) ?
2650 [22:31:06] <behanw> thavlik: Or just run sid. ;)
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2652 [22:31:20] <thavlik> behanw, sounds like what I'll be
doing
2653 [22:31:39] <behanw> I've been doing it before there was
a "stable"....
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2655 [22:31:45] <blackflow> thavlik: if that's so important
to you, then learn to backport yourself. it's not that hard
once you get familiar with it, in fact, you'll laugh how easy
it is -- assuming of course you don't have to drag down
dependencies from sid or experimental
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2657 [22:31:47] * Tenkawa just wishesh asm-goto support for x86-64 would
get added to llvm :(
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2659 [22:31:59] <Tenkawa> heheheheh
2660 [22:32:00] <thavlik> blackflow, just might :)
2661 [22:32:02] <behanw> Works fine. Just don't blindly
update. Gotta be smart about it
2662 [22:32:03] <thavlik> I appreciate the help
2663 [22:32:11] <thavlik> guess I'll just build llvm from
source
2664 [22:32:14] <jhutchins> thavlik: sid is not recommended for
regular use. You'd be better off with a different distro
that's meant to be run on newer code.
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2666 [22:32:19] <behanw> thavlik: That works too
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2668 [22:32:27] <thavlik> jhutchins, LOL seriously?
2669 [22:32:38] <blackflow> thavlik: also consider
chroots/containers of pure sid, on otherwise stable debian, for
specific purposes
2670 [22:32:41] <fredl> hi guys, I've added an IP alias to my
br0 interface with the new iproute2 method (so skipping the :1 bla
bla)
2671 [22:32:59] <fredl> so with 'ip a' I see the *2nd*
IP now
2672 [22:33:20] <fling> rant: at first I wanted to exclude icon
themes
2673 [22:33:35] <fredl> But then I added a third alias, identical
syntax just different addresses, as the 2nd alias but that does not
come up
2674 [22:33:43] <fling> Am I out of luck?
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2676 [22:34:25] <thavlik> jhutchins, what distro would you
recommend
2677 [22:34:37] <thavlik> I have had the most luck with debian
2678 [22:34:59] <jhutchins> thavlik: I don't really know, the
debian derivatives tend to be newer.
2679 [22:35:08] <jhutchins> thavlik: There's always Gentoo.
2680 [22:35:12] <blackflow> heh
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2684 [22:35:31] <fredl> here's my interfaces file:
replaced-url
2685 [22:35:59] <fredl> So the weird thing.... the 192.168.3.1 IP
does show up in 'ip a', but the 192.168.4.1 does not
2686 [22:36:12] <jhutchins> I'm at the other end of the
spectrum, I run large commercial server farms, and those tend to run
long-term-support releases like RHEL (10 yrs).
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2688 [22:36:31] <jhutchins> thavlik: You might look at Fedora.
2689 [22:36:45] <fling> Should I just script something for
deleting the files I don't need?
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2694 [22:37:04] <blackflow> thavlik: or ubuntu to stay within
debian-ish ecosystem. they cut out of sid/unstable every 6 months on
the clocl.
2695 [22:37:07] <blackflow> *clock
2696 [22:37:29] <fredl> Anybody wanna have a look what might be
going wrong here?
2697 [22:38:05] <thavlik> blackflow, ubuntu is just debian +
broken things :)
2698 [22:38:34] <blackflow> thavlik: which is what you get when
you run sid :)
2699 [22:38:41] <phogg> Debian without the rigor.
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2702 [22:39:41] <Tenkawa> they all have their +-
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2704 [22:40:12] <siloxid> debian has never been any rigor for me,
in fact some hardware has worked better for me in the past
2705 [22:40:16] <thavlik> blackflow, I love linux more than any
other OS, but this really isn't a problem on OS X or windows.
And I do think it is fair to compare an open source OS to those. I
think open source stands to do better than the mainstream platforms
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2707 [22:40:44] <blackflow> you're comparing apples and
oranges, neither osx or windows curate the packages like debian
distro does
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2709 [22:40:52] <blackflow> you get bare possible OS, no
applications.
2710 [22:40:59] <thavlik> *facepalms*
2711 [22:41:04] <siloxid> macOS sits in top of a good amount of
open source
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2713 [22:41:10] <thavlik> >And I do think it is fair to compare
an open source OS to those
2714 [22:41:35] <thavlik> To you, it is apples and oranges being
compared. To the end user, they are both competing solutions. They
are compared.
2715 [22:41:40] <blackflow> still apples and oranges. there's
no curated package repository for windows.
2716 [22:41:53] <thavlik> siloxid, the open source parts of mac
are basically the best parts of it
2717 [22:42:10] <blackflow> you can install llvm7 on debian right
now. download the tarball and uninstall it. done. just like in
windows.
2718 [22:42:18] <thavlik> blackflow, and yet installing and
managing 3rd party software is not as terrible as it is on debian
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2721 [22:42:22] <cheapie> "I don't care if it's
apples or oranges or whatever, I just need fruit"
2722 [22:42:26] <fredl> thavlik, blackflow - #debian-offtopic
maybe?
2723 [22:42:28] <cheapie> ^ typical user
2724 [22:42:35] <thavlik> fredl, I need to get back to work :)
2725 [22:42:57] <blackflow> s/uninstall/unpack/ (lol)
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2730 [22:43:36] <Raazeer> Hey there. anyone here with some
experience in lcdproc?
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2732 [22:43:49] <fredl> Anybody have a clue why using
replaced-url
2733 [22:44:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1542
2734 [22:44:05] <Tenkawa> fredl: jut a sec
2735 [22:44:10] <Tenkawa> er just
2736 [22:44:25] <thavlik> blackflow, didn't realize they
permitted that
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2738 [22:44:32] <blackflow> fredl: you can't have multiple
gateways
2739 [22:44:35] <rwp> fredl, First just pedantically please delete
all of the lines that say "network" and
"broadcast" as those are redundant and not needed.
2740 [22:44:49] <Raazeer> I'm trying to drive a 7-segment led
display with lcdproc, basically by putting an arduino in between the
max7219 and the PC to act as a smart usb port.
2741 [22:44:52] <rwp> The "netmask" line is the required
bit of information there.
2742 [22:44:59] <Raazeer> now I'm wondering what driver might
be useful there.
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2745 [22:45:24] <Tenkawa> he's got dupe br0 entries too
2746 [22:45:40] <rwp> fredl, +1 on blackflow's comment. Only
*one* gateway please.
2747 [22:46:10] <Tenkawa> you cant do iface br0 inet static more
tha once can you?
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2749 [22:46:19] <fredl> yeah iproute2
2750 [22:46:21] <rwp> Also I believe a "iface eth0 inet
manual" is desired there too.
2751 [22:46:24] <Tenkawa> ahh
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2753 [22:46:33] <Tenkawa> havent set it up this way yet
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2755 [22:46:46] <blackflow> Tenkawa: you can yeah
2756 [22:46:53] <fredl> Actually there's another fishy thing
going on as well, when I do ifdown br0 it stays interface br0 not
configured
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2758 [22:47:01] <rwp> Also the indentation in that file is
inconsistent.
2759 [22:47:13] <fredl> anyway, yeah those
gateway/network/broadcast comments, fixed to
replaced-url
2760 [22:47:18] <Tenkawa> it just seems like it wouldnt parse
properly
2761 [22:47:20] <fredl> Yeah fixed that too :)
2762 [22:47:27] <blackflow> fredl:
replaced-url
2763 [22:47:40] <Tenkawa> how would it know what order is which
2764 [22:47:42] <blackflow> you just need one address line (cidr
is okay too) for each alias
2765 [22:48:20] <rwp> As an oh, by the by, not the problem here
but instead of a separate netmask line saying "address
192.168.178.2/24" in CIDR style is fully supported. I prefer
it. It just makes for a more compactly described file that way.
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2767 [22:49:16] <fredl> alrite, trimmed down even further to
replaced-url
2768 [22:49:30] * Tenkawa remembers when he use to have to calculate
subnet masks and gateways by hand
2769 [22:49:37] <Tenkawa> oh that was fun
2770 [22:49:40] <Tenkawa> not
2771 [22:49:47] <fredl> yes lots of fun :)
2772 [22:50:12] <rwp> Additionally I think you should add
"iface eth0 inet manual" as well.
2773 [22:50:18] <blackflow> thavlik: "permitted"? nobody
prevents you from doing that. that's why you're comparing
apples and oranges. the linux ecosystem opted for shared lib,
curated repository approach, that does not exclude anyone form
downloading and unpackinga tarball that installs everything, like in
windows, so you end up with a gazillion of openssl libs each
vulnerable and each in its own C:\Program Files\Foo Bar Baz\
2774 [22:50:24] <blackflow> directory
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2776 [22:51:11] <rwp> fredl, In your latest you need to add /24 to
the secondary interface sections. "address
192.168.4.1/24".
2777 [22:51:28] <blackflow> I'd do it in the first one as
well
2778 [22:51:31] <fredl> Hmm, really on the 'manual' bit?
It brings up br0 just fine this way, so I don't know if after
removing a bunch of redundant information I should go and re-add
other redundant info?
2779 [22:51:46] <fredl> ah rwp, ok
2780 [22:52:18] <fredl> that makes sense, that's how it
decides on netmask/broadcast etc.
2781 [22:52:24] <blackflow> yup
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2783 [22:52:43] <fredl> the thing that kinda baffles me....
2784 [22:53:03] <fredl> using this config file, ifdown br0 stays
br0 not configured
2785 [22:53:21] <rwp> fredl, Personally I prefer the method of
adding additional IP addresses using "up" and
"down" commands such as described in
replaced-url
2786 [22:53:21] <fredl> So it's kinda hard to test changes if
you can't bring it down/up
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2788 [22:54:11] <blackflow> maybe flush it first. ip addr flush
br0
2789 [22:54:12] <fredl> rwp - yeah I tried to google for that but
there's so much old info that the new way doesn't show up
so much
2790 [22:54:16] <rwp> fredl, That error you are getting about
"not configured" is a clue. I don't know what it
means. But it is a clue.
2791 [22:54:31] <fredl> fsck
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2793 [22:54:42] <fredl> I just axed my iface :P brb
2794 [22:54:52] <blackflow> oh that was remote?
2795 [22:55:10] <rwp> A reboot a day keeps the networking at
bay...
2796 [22:55:16] <blackflow> tsk tsk tsk tsk tsk.... *shakes head*
more tsk tsk tsk tsk.
2797 [22:55:47] <thavlik> blackflow, if you want to nitpick my
grammar, that's fine. But I am not missing the conceptual
difference between linux and other operating systems.
2798 [22:56:15] <rwp> fredl, Long ago a wise admin hinted me to
start a "sleep 300 && shutdown -r now" in another
login session so that if I didn't get back to kill it the
system would automatically reboot. In the case that I killed the
connection to it. That has been an invaluable hint to me in the time
since.
2799 [22:56:33] <rwp> However that assumes that the files on disk
are bootable. Otherwise it is rescue-mode FTW.
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2801 [22:56:53] <blackflow> rwp: not that wise, was he. why
reboot? just reset the network
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2803 [22:57:16] <blackflow> the _wise_ thing to do is run commands
without permanentizing them in e/n/i. and if everything works, make
it permanent.
2804 [22:57:18] <rwp> blackflow, If using the network to log into
a remote system and the networking is broken then one can't
just reset the network.
2805 [22:57:32] <blackflow> becuase if you fskc up, then on reboot
you'll end up in the same, fsked up config
2806 [22:57:34] <rwp> I agree with the last thing you said
completely.
2807 [22:57:35] <Tenkawa> or even better.... have a remote console
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2809 [22:58:01] <blackflow> rwp: yes one can. run in tmux so
network resets don't break the resetting shell
2810 [22:58:16] <rwp> What I am astounded by is that some of the
800lb gorillas such as AWS do not support a remote console.
2811 [22:58:18] <blackflow> I've only done it a gazillion
times, what do I know.
2812 [22:58:27] <jhutchins> ~Actually, I don't usually loose
ssh sessions on network restart.
2813 [22:58:51] <rwp> blackflow, I agree. I always use tmux/screen
for that. But that has nothing to do with disconnecting yourself
from the system and being unable to connect to it.
2814 [22:59:21] <karlpinc> thavlik: The "secret sauce"
in linux is that with linux you can get _all_ your software from
your distro. The distro does the systems integration and makes sure
everything works together. And stays working. See also footnote 1
of:
replaced-url
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2816 [22:59:22] <rwp> For example try "ifdown $IFACE"
and then try bringing it back up remotely.
2817 [22:59:33] <blackflow> jhutchins: depends on what you do. if
the routing table, flow hashmap is not flushed, then it
shouldn't break connection
2818 [23:00:04] <Tenkawa> I still havent tried out tmux much yet
to see if I'd rather use it
2819 [23:00:13] <Tenkawa> I've been using screen so long
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2822 [23:00:25] <blackflow> rwp: ifdown iface ; sleep 2 ; ifup
iface ? oh yeah if you brek it, nogo, but reboot will end up in a
working config, unless you broke e/n/i
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2824 [23:00:35] <fredl> back again :)
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2827 [23:01:03] <fredl> And... weirdest thing, I now have
192.168.4.1 but nothing changed it seems
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2830 [23:01:20] <rwp> Tenkawa, I have been using screen forever. A
while back I decided to test drive tmux. I can tell you that I
really like tmux. It is better.
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2832 [23:01:20] <rwp> fredl,
2833 [23:01:28] <fredl> yes?
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2835 [23:01:31] <rwp> fredl, We have been having a nice discussion
about resuming from broken network connections while you were away.
2836 [23:01:41] <Tenkawa> rwp: I might give it a go soon
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2839 [23:01:47] <fredl> yeah but I'm on laptop downstairs now
2840 [23:02:02] <Tenkawa> it support serial ports still right?
2841 [23:02:07] <fredl> so nothing to resume as I was upstairs
earlier, server is in garage
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2843 [23:02:31] <fredl> Oh, I've used 'screen' for
decades :)
2844 [23:02:34] <Tenkawa> I need to be able to access my ttl
bridge on my pi's
2845 [23:02:42] <rwp> That isn't a garage! That is your
datacenter in the adjacent structure.
2846 [23:02:43] <Tenkawa> fredl: indeed
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2848 [23:02:58] <fredl> usually just to start up long running
things before going home from office
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2850 [23:04:04] <Tenkawa> I'm just not a very graphical
person in general... give me terminal based sessions anyday
2851 [23:04:06] <fredl> rwp - you right man, I call it a
micro-datacenter to paying customers. Here on #debian I have some
more modesty though
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2853 [23:04:51] <rwp> Tenkawa, When you test drive tmux plan to
spend an afternoon twiddling with things. Like screen it is not
friendly out of the box. Such as the escape character. And once you
start playing with it you will burn through a few hours twiddling
things to your liking. It will suck you in.
2854 [23:04:55] <fredl> Since on here some people have more
hardware sitting next to their desk than me in my rack in the garage
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2856 [23:05:58] <karlpinc> fredl: Surely it's not a
datacenter in your garage any more. It's a cloud, eh?
2857 [23:06:13] <rwp> Indeed there are quite varied people and
experiences here. Debian is The Universal Operating System! :-)
2858 [23:06:23] <Tenkawa> rwp: yeah I've got my screen config
setup all with 1 change.. I dont see this being too bad heheheh
2859 [23:06:50] <rwp> karlpinc, Nah... The cloud is just someone
else's computer. These are fredl's computers. Not someone
else's. :-)
2860 [23:07:21] <blackflow> "Cloud" is so 2018.
It's all about Serverless(tm) now.
2861 [23:07:33] <Tenkawa> and that change is just to accomodate
two control characters (one on my host and oe on my serial to usb
attached bridge )
2862 [23:07:34] <rwp> Anyway... fredl? How are things for you with
all of the updates? Good? Bad?
2863 [23:08:22] <Tenkawa> anyone think that folding phone is going
to be a bit hit?
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2868 [23:09:22] <rwp> It's a fad. It will pass. The real
future is in dialing shoe phones...
2869 [23:09:45] <Tenkawa> hah
2870 [23:10:12] <Tenkawa> cant believe what happened to the one
guys
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2872 [23:10:23] <davis> hello
2873 [23:11:07] <davis> i have a laptop which was running gnome
desktop fine. I did an update and now, a login session appears but
xindows seems to hang.
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2875 [23:11:29] <davis> i tried to dpkg-reconfigure the xserver
drivers but the problem persists
2876 [23:11:32] <thavlik> karlpinc, I get that! And I think
it's actually a great system. Large corporations have the
resources to spend in managing their official software updates. The
observation I was making is that the current system may not be
servicing end users in a way they want to be serviced. I suppose
Debian succeeds wildly at what it does, and perhaps I should be
running a different distro.
2877 [23:11:38] <davis> any idea what I should try next?
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2879 [23:12:13] <davis> if I simply run xstart it will hang as
well.
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2881 [23:12:34] <Tenkawa> how did you update?
2882 [23:12:37] <davis> if I try to reconfigure Xorg it says X is
already running. i am guessing that is the login
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2885 [23:12:57] <davis> apt-get update/upgrade but it had been a
while since I did this.
2886 [23:13:24] <davis> at one point it had some packages which
were reported as no longer being used so I did the autoremove.
2887 [23:13:42] <davis> if I do ctrl-alt f2, i can get to a
console login
2888 [23:13:57] <Tenkawa> ok.. if you can login
2889 [23:14:02] <Tenkawa> do that first
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2891 [23:14:09] <davis> after i login the main terminal just has a
blank screen
2892 [23:14:20] <Tenkawa> hit f1
2893 [23:14:24] <Tenkawa> er
2894 [23:14:27] <Tenkawa> alt f1
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2896 [23:14:37] <davis> im logged into the terminal on alt-f2
2897 [23:14:41] <karlpinc> thavlik: I came in late and am not sure
what you're trying to do, but you're free to run anything
on top of debian. There are a variety of ways of installing 3rd
party software. We can help you with the tools that try to keep 3rd
party software from breaking debian. But once you get past the point
of asking for help with the underlying debian you're on your
own when it comes to help with whatever it is that's broken in
the software
2898 [23:14:41] <karlpinc> you've put on top of debian.
2899 [23:14:42] <davis> alt-f1 is blank
2900 [23:14:48] <Tenkawa> ahh ok good
2901 [23:14:57] <Tenkawa> sudo apt-get updat
2902 [23:14:59] <Tenkawa> sudo apt-get update
2903 [23:15:10] <Tenkawa> if not root
2904 [23:15:34] <davis> fwiw this a laptop with a nvidia/intel
card which i never got to work with bummblebee or primus (i think
that was what it called.)
2905 [23:15:44] <Tenkawa> ahhhh
2906 [23:15:52] <davis> i think i was running xwindows in intel
mode
2907 [23:15:55] <Tenkawa> it could be the firmware
2908 [23:16:00] <karlpinc> thavlik: People want a pony.
There's only so much that can be done for them.
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2910 [23:16:30] <Tenkawa> that linux needs the new binay blob and
the config tweaks
2911 [23:16:51] <davis> apt-get upgrade says four packages are
held back, but none of them are x related
2912 [23:16:53] <Tenkawa> this part I cant help with since I dont
know the config
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2914 [23:17:14] <blackflow> mmmmmmh Buster: nginx + openssl 1.1.1
= TLSv1.3
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2916 [23:17:22] <davis> im not worried about the nviida, just
trying to get back to intel mode
2917 [23:17:25] <Tenkawa> ps auxreplaced-url
2918 [23:17:35] <Tenkawa> any processes running
2919 [23:17:36] <Tenkawa> ?
2920 [23:17:45] <davis> yes
2921 [23:17:47] <davis> two
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2923 [23:18:07] <davis> one is Debian owner and is
/usr/lib/xorg/Xorg vt1
2924 [23:18:20] <davis> the other is the grep
2925 [23:18:23] <Tenkawa> yeah definitely going to need to talk to
someone who knows a little more about the optimus setup
2926 [23:18:36] <thavlik> karlpinc, I was trying to install from
sid. I am unsatisfied with doing so being considered
dangerous/discouraged - it doesn't seem like it should be.
Debian's stability due to its package manager's complexity
2927 [23:18:38] <Tenkawa> sorry I couldnt help more
2928 [23:18:52] <davis> i think it can be done without optimus.
2929 [23:19:07] <davis> i think that is only if you want to enable
nvidia
2930 [23:19:25] <davis> which i had abandoned hence it was in
regular intel cpu builtin video mode
2931 [23:19:28] <karlpinc> thavlik: Have you tried
self-backporting? What package?
2932 [23:19:29] <Tenkawa> yes but theres things specific to the
config you have to do to "disable"
2933 [23:19:32] <Tenkawa> it too
2934 [23:19:49] <davis> if I try to run Xorg -configure it will
fail since X is running
2935 [23:20:02] <fling> libGL error: failed to load driver: i915
2936 [23:20:12] <fling> Which package to install for libgl? mesa
something?
2937 [23:20:27] <Tenkawa> do you get a grub boot up prompt
2938 [23:20:37] <Tenkawa> davis:
2939 [23:21:13] <Tenkawa> if so bring it up into rescue mode and
that will start it up without X
2940 [23:21:30] <davis> ok one moment
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2944 [23:22:26] <davis> lol, when i move arrow keys it starts up
rather than selecting a differnt boot mode
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2946 [23:22:32] <thavlik> karlpinc, that will probably be what I
do. It's llvm 7
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2949 [23:23:30] <Tenkawa> davis: the key mappings are different
2950 [23:24:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1536
2951 [23:24:59] <Tenkawa> when the menu comes up immediately hit
escape if it happens again
2952 [23:25:37] <davis> ok one morment
2953 [23:25:42] <karlpinc> ,checkbackport llvm
2954 [23:25:43] <judd> Backporting package llvm in
sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
stretch.
2955 [23:26:01] <karlpinc> !tell thavlik about ssb
2956 [23:26:01] <Tenkawa> that should in theory stop th boot
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2959 [23:26:32] <davis> nope, but fwiw, i dont see a rescue
option.
2960 [23:26:42] <davis> so cant dork with that.
2961 [23:26:48] <Tenkawa> its under advanced
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2963 [23:26:56] <davis> ahh
2964 [23:27:06] <karlpinc> ,checkbackport llvm-runtime
2965 [23:27:07] <judd> Backporting package llvm-runtime in
sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
stretch.
2966 [23:27:15] <Tenkawa> but heres what we can do
2967 [23:27:22] <karlpinc> thavlik: Should be very straightforward
to self-backport.
2968 [23:27:28] <Tenkawa> boot it to grub
2969 [23:27:33] <fling> Which package for mesa?
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2971 [23:27:45] <Tenkawa> when the menu comes up immediately hit e
2972 [23:28:06] <fling> libglu1-mesa ?
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2976 [23:28:40] <Tenkawa> we'll edit the current one and make
it manually boot into single user
2977 [23:28:49] <Tenkawa> on the fly
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2980 [23:29:17] <davis> hmm, e does not stop it either. i think by
the time my external monitor comes to life its already sarted
2981 [23:29:31] <Tenkawa> well darn
2982 [23:29:33] <davis> could i not just simply service stop the X
login?
2983 [23:29:44] <Tenkawa> yeah
2984 [23:29:51] <Tenkawa> in theory
2985 [23:29:53] <Tenkawa> heheheh
2986 [23:30:12] <rant> fling: there are lots of packages for
mesa.. there is the x driver, app support libraries, etc
2987 [23:30:42] <Tenkawa> fling: what was the error?
2988 [23:31:03] <rant> you're looking at the error
2989 [23:31:26] <rant> its likely the user in this
"special" case :P
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2992 [23:32:28] <Tenkawa> whats he "trying" to fix?
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2994 [23:33:01] <rant> not trying to fix.. trying to break.. last
I heard they were trying to install unknown packages without getting
anything large like icon themes..
2995 [23:33:24] <rant> vague, silly, ideas..
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2997 [23:33:36] <Zewwy> can someone help me this SecAPT thing is
driving me nuts
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2999 [23:33:54] <Zewwy>
replaced-url
3000 [23:33:54] <Tenkawa> ahh
3001 [23:33:56] <rant> took so long to respond I'd been sound
asleep for hours by time they said anything
3002 [23:34:09] <Zewwy> I'm following this and when i run apt
update I get keyring uissues and this guide isn't covering it
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3004 [23:35:32] <fling> rant: Tenkawa: installed
xserver-xorg-video-intel and the error gone.
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3006 [23:36:29] <fling> rant: exactly the user, the problem is I
can't find the proper package because of so many different mesa
things in apt cache
3007 [23:36:44] <fling> rant: I used to gentoo where I have a
single mesa package.
3008 [23:36:58] <fling> Tenkawa: I had no mesa :P
3009 [23:37:12] <Tenkawa> ah
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3011 [23:37:19] <Zewwy> anyone any idea how to pass SecAPT
3012 [23:37:27] <fling> How do I skip deps? Not possible?
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3014 [23:37:35] <karlpinc> Zewwy: The easy way to install
zoneminder on debian stretch is to enable the debian backports repo
and install from that.
3015 [23:37:36] <Tenkawa> Zewwy: just a sec
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3017 [23:38:10] <Zewwy> karlpinc: why is the wiki not updated with
a nice easy tut
3018 [23:38:21] <rant> fling: thats probably because gentoo builds
everything from source.. here you have a binary distribution and a
single source tree can yeild many different binary packages
3019 [23:38:22] <karlpinc> Zewwy: Upi
3020 [23:39:01] <fling> rant: right.
3021 [23:39:04] <karlpinc> You'd have to ask them. I
haven't read it. Do they want you to install the latest and
greatest? If so then you need to go to them for support because
adding random repos into debian makes your distro not-debian any
more.
3022 [23:39:32] <Zewwy> I'm just following the guides
3023 [23:39:39] <Zewwy> its their depdancy requirements
3024 [23:39:47] <Zewwy> that use packages the default debain repos
clearly dont have
3025 [23:39:49] <fling> rant: what is wrong with me trying to skip
installing icon themes?
3026 [23:39:51] <Tenkawa> cheers all. gotta run
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3028 [23:39:58] <karlpinc> Zewwy: You still might be able to get
_some_ help here. It depends on whether the guides have you replace
pieces of actual debian.
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3030 [23:40:24] <Zewwy> there is a section about the keys lets see
if i can follow that
3031 [23:40:51] <karlpinc> Zewwy: If you install from debian
backports you will only install dependencies that debian has.
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3033 [23:41:05] <karlpinc> !tell Zewwy about frankendebian
3034 [23:41:08] <rant> fling: an if an icon theme is being
installed its because one is required.. things that display icons
require a theme or all the icons would just be the default white
icon with a red X
3035 [23:41:31] <rant> fling: in a binary dependency based distro,
you have to install or satisfy the dependencies of a package somehow
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3037 [23:41:49] <Zewwy> if there a better guiode then what I
shared I'm all ears
3038 [23:42:12] <Zewwy> this is the main thing I don't liek
about linux... its such a mixed bag
3039 [23:42:28] <karlpinc> Zewwy: You want to get support from
debian first, and if that fails go to the original authors and if
that fails get advice from random strangers.
3040 [23:42:46] <karlpinc> !tell Zewwy about backports
3041 [23:42:55] <Zewwy> ok dokie
3042 [23:43:05] <Zewwy> so seem zonminder on debian 9 is
impossible to do "clean"
3043 [23:43:14] <karlpinc> Zewwy: Just ask here with more
questions.
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3045 [23:43:34] <Zewwy> man if i could do Apt install zoneminder
and it just freaking worked
3046 [23:43:39] <Zewwy> I'd be one ahppy guy
3047 [23:43:50] <Zewwy> maybe linux will one day be that good
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3049 [23:44:00] <karlpinc> Zewwy: The backported zoneminder is
"clean", in that if you use it you'll be able to
upgrade your debian to the next major release. (If you follow the
instructions in the release notes.) What does "clean" mean
to you?
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3051 [23:44:15] <rant> ,v zoneminder
3052 [23:44:16] <judd> Package: zoneminder on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.25.0-4; wheezy-security: 1.25.0-4+deb7u2; jessie-multimedia:
1.28.1-dmo10; jessie-backports: 1.29.0+dfsg-1~bpo8+1;
stretch-backports: 1.30.4+dfsg-2~bpo9+1; sid: 1.30.4+dfsg1-5;
experimental: 1.32.3-1; buster: 1.32.3-2; stretch-multimedia:
2:1.30.4-dmo1+deb9u2; buster-multimedia: 2:1.32.3-dmo2;
sid-multimedia: 2:1.32.3-dmo2
3053 [23:44:20] <Zewwy> a guide that is easy to follow and
supported
3054 [23:44:20] <fling> rant: on gentoo there is 1.
'provided' mechanism using which I could just add packages
I don't want to package.provided file and they will not be
installed.
3055 [23:44:34] <Zewwy> without Effing with keyrings and third
party repos
3056 [23:44:42] <karlpinc> Zewwy: You need to enable the backports
repo. Then install following the backports instuctions.
3057 [23:44:57] <Zewwy> karlpinc: is there any simple guide on
that
3058 [23:45:01] <Zewwy> im a newbie at this stuff
3059 [23:45:03] <fling> rant: and also there is 2. install mask
mechanism using which I could add paths or globs of things I
don't want to INSTALL_MASK
3060 [23:45:17] <fling> rant: for example
INSTALL_MASK="bash-completion gnustep-4.sh lib32 opt
systemd"
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3062 [23:45:44] <karlpinc> Zewwy:
replaced-url
3063 [23:45:51] <rant> fling: yes because gentoo is a SOURCE
distribution you are compiling things from scratch and can leave
things out.. debian is a BINARY distribution.. so those dependencies
are already compiled in.. if you wanna rebuild packages from source,
you're welcome to
3064 [23:45:54] <fling> rant: both things work for binary
packages…
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3066 [23:46:10] <Zewwy> thanks
3067 [23:46:11] <Zewwy> reading now
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3069 [23:46:25] <fling> rant: I don't think so. It is not
related to SOURCE.
3070 [23:46:46] <rant> fling: whatever.. then I suggest you go use
gentoo.. we dont do things like this.. it'd break things
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3073 [23:47:08] <jhutchins> LFS!
3074 [23:47:13] <rant> here you install packages AND their
dependencies, or you se equivs and satisfy them another way
3075 [23:47:17] <fling> rant: both features available for binary
packages in portage, binary packages you precompiled and proprietary
packages missing sources. Also both features are available for
binary gentoo based distros.
3076 [23:47:28] <fling> rant: ok, thanks for info!
3077 [23:47:33] <fling> I wanted to use debian!!
3078 [23:47:53] <karlpinc> Zewwy: FYI. It is often helpful to read
the README.Debian file, especially for daemons and the like.
3079 [23:48:08] <karlpinc> !tell Zewwy about readme.debian
3080 [23:48:19] <rant> do you use your bathtub as a toilet, and
your blender as a fishtank?
3081 [23:50:19] <fling> rant: I really don't see how skipping
deps or installed files is related to _source_ distro.
3082 [23:50:28] <fling> debian could build from sources too I
think
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3084 [23:50:36] <fling> and gentoo could install binary packages
3085 [23:51:24] <phogg> fling: building from source on Debian is
fairly easy, just not 100% automatic. Once built it would be chaos
if you could pick and choose which bits of a package got installed.
That way lies broken.
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3087 [23:51:50] <rant> because if I compile foo against libbar and
then package it so that foo-1.0 depends on libbar-1.0 and you
install foo without libbar, not only have you broken the system that
resolves package dependencies but now you can't run
/usr/bin/foo without a segfault or such
3088 [23:52:11] <Zewwy> readmes fine
3089 [23:52:21] <Zewwy> but I'm mostly in particulary
interested in zoneminder
3090 [23:52:25] <fling> rant: the same will happen on gentoo too.
3091 [23:52:35] <Zewwy> and it techincally avaiable on other
distros, I just picked debian cause stablity
3092 [23:52:35] <rant> its not possible to sanely install binary
package without breakage
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3094 [23:52:37] <fling> phogg: ok, not going to do so
3095 [23:52:38] <Zewwy> I liek that
3096 [23:52:51] <fling> rant: I agree
3097 [23:53:09] <karlpinc> Zewwy: Me too. Just install it from
backports. There's 1 file to edit and 3 commands to run.
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3099 [23:53:23] <Zewwy> Epic Thankx
3100 [23:53:50] <rant> fling: in debian, we dont do or support
such idiotic things.. if someone insists on this, we tell them to
use equivs.. it creates a metapackage which "provides"
whatever is needed so the package manager is happy, then its up to
you to actually satisfy the program's need for whatever it is
through some other means
3101 [23:54:00] <karlpinc> Zewwy: I mention it because it's
possible that the zoneminder package in backports has a
README.Debian.
3102 [23:54:13] <Zewwy> ahhh good to know, thanks again
3103 [23:55:11] <karlpinc> Zewwy: After you setup to install one
thing from backports you can install further things with a single
command.
3104 [23:56:04] <rant> fling: read over the Why Debian?
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3106 [23:56:31] <fling> ok sounds fair
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