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9 [00:03:45] <dvs> Qimple, put double quotes around it.
10 [00:04:00] <Qimple> thx
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13 [00:06:42] <Qimple> docker created a zfs resources to a
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36 [00:22:32] <danielh1234_> I don't use zfs but the
manpage<replaced-url
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65 [00:34:25] <AlexLikeRock_> thunderbird 45 , cant oppen POP-UP
"GOOGLE GRANT PERMITION TO TUNDER-BIRT"
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67 [00:34:49] <AlexLikeRock_> press loguin , and not work
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70 [00:36:39] <AlexLikeRock_> ** yes open pop-up. but not loguin
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72 [00:38:23] <danielh1234_> AlexLikeRock_: Did you follow these
steps?
replaced-url
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74 [00:39:21] <AlexLikeRock_> checking
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92 [00:42:32] <AlexLikeRock_> danielh1234_,
93 [00:42:33] <AlexLikeRock_> yes
94 [00:42:57] <AlexLikeRock_> POP-up: Sign in
95 [00:42:59] <AlexLikeRock_> to continue to Mozilla Thunderbird
Email
96 [00:43:17] <AlexLikeRock_> some-one@gmail.com
97 [00:43:33] <AlexLikeRock_> CLICK -->> "NEXT"
98 [00:43:37] <AlexLikeRock_> NOT WORK
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100 [00:44:02] <danielh1234_> which version of Thunderbird are
you using?
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103 [00:44:55] <jim> just so you know... with some planning,
those seven lines in a row could have been one line
104 [00:45:49] <AlexLikeRock_> 45.8.0
105 [00:45:50] <jim> it doesn't look that busy now, but when
it is, one line would be better than seven
106 [00:45:51] <AlexLikeRock_> danielh1234_,
107 [00:46:00] <AlexLikeRock_> 45.8.0
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109 [00:47:39] <danielh1234_> Does
replaced-url
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111 [00:48:21] <missmbob> enter<reply>The enter key is not
a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it
difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using
',', '. ', ';', '...',
'---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too
often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
112 [00:48:24] <AlexLikeRock_> mmmm
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115 [00:48:56] <AlexLikeRock_> danielh1234_, jessie (stable)
1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1:
116 [00:49:00] <missmbob> and more likely people will silently
place you on /ignore for being annoying
117 [00:49:08] <AlexLikeRock_>
replaced-url
118 [00:49:11] <jelly> setting up an app-specific password for
imap/smtp in your google account might be an acceptable workaround
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120 [00:49:21] <AlexLikeRock_> BIG BUG !!!
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122 [00:49:33] <jim> spiders
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125 [00:50:03] <danielh1234_> :)
126 [00:50:21] <AlexLikeRock_> 8-)
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128 [00:50:57] <AlexLikeRock_> jelly, no
129 [00:51:07] <AlexLikeRock_> my configuration its rigth
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131 [00:51:30] <AlexLikeRock_> Thunderbird 45 of debian its
OBSOLETE
132 [00:51:31] <jelly> but your tool may be buggy
133 [00:51:41] <AlexLikeRock_> what tool ?
134 [00:51:46] <jelly> thunberbird
135 [00:51:53] <AlexLikeRock_> so...
136 [00:52:01] <AlexLikeRock_> its time to upgrade thunderbird
137 [00:52:12] <jelly> or use a workaround if it exists
138 [00:52:17] <AlexLikeRock_> not work any more to ADD e-mails
139 [00:52:30] <jim> there's that mozilla
"ppa-like" thing, dunno how good it is
140 [00:52:33] <AlexLikeRock_> why ?
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142 [00:52:48] <AlexLikeRock_> beacause some one, not whant to
work at debian ?
143 [00:53:07] <AlexLikeRock_> PPA its for UBUNTU. you now it
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146 [00:53:44] <jim> AlexLikeRock_, which is why I said ppa-like
147 [00:54:00] <AlexLikeRock_> no way!
148 [00:54:16] <AlexLikeRock_> must be .DEB package
149 [00:54:18] <AlexLikeRock_> from debian
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151 [00:54:55] <AlexLikeRock_> Admit it's a big bug
152 [00:55:07] <jim> (note, that either way, you -always- want to
be -very- careful about where you get stuff from, and the distro
archives are normally the safest way to go
153 [00:55:09] <AlexLikeRock_> accept it is a big bug
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155 [00:55:24] <AlexLikeRock_> exactly
156 [00:55:39] <AlexLikeRock_> distro repos its safe,,
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162 [00:57:02] <jelly> jim, do try to avoid suggesting ppa repos
to debian users, unless you're 100% sure they've uploaded
builds designed for debian releases there
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166 [00:58:50] <jim> the one I was -going- to suggest,,, (one sec
pls)
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169 [01:00:27] <joepreludian> Hi there!
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171 [01:00:38] <jim> mozilla.debian.net
172 [01:00:41] <jim> hi
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208 [01:20:25] <Jubilee808> James, give this a watch.
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210 [01:20:35] <Jubilee808> Memes: understanding and using the
Anti-Holocaust Meme (new version) |
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217 [01:23:56] <Jubilee808> jews fomented the genocidal wars that
cost over 100 million of our best european peoples and what better
way to distract us from that than to tell bizarre stories about a
'burnt offering'?
218 [01:25:04] <jim> !ops Jubilee808 umm, hello?
219 [01:25:33] <missmbob> wont work with dpkg out
220 [01:25:40] <Jubilee808> jim, wrong channel.
221 [01:25:43] <Jubilee808> jim, drop it.
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227 [01:26:53] <danielh1234_> This spam is posted in #gentoo as
well...
228 [01:27:13] <jim> which makes it a freenode issue
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230 [01:27:20] <Nekojimi> Getting accidentally pinged with
jim's name all the time just got weird o.o
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233 [01:28:38] <jim> Nekojimi, oh, do you get hilited when
someone mentions "jim"?
234 [01:28:49] <Jubilee808> jim, it's not just about money
and ideas of success. they're meticulously orchestrating the
agenda outlined in their holy books, which involves the
extermination of the goyim so that they can have a world of their
own.
235 [01:29:02] <Nekojimi> jim, yep :P
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238 [01:29:37] <Nekojimi> I go by "Jim" IRL and on a
lot of places on the internet
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240 [01:30:06] <Nekojimi> It just means that every so often I get
an alert about reccomending PPAs or something a get momentarily
confused :P
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244 [01:31:04] <Nekojimi> Also, uh, what's with the
holocaust denial? This is the last of all places I thought I'd
see that crap >.
245 [01:31:10] <Nekojimi> >.>
246 [01:31:26] <missmbob> Nekojimi: spam is spam. and you talking
about the spam doesnt help
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249 [01:34:05] <jmj> Hi all !
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256 [01:39:02] <jmj> Is anybody here again ?
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261 [01:41:47] <jmj> Is anybody here again ? And which language
should I use here ?
262 [01:42:02] <nkuttler> !ask
263 [01:42:09] <LtL> jmj: english please
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265 [01:42:10] <jelly> English please
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269 [01:42:33] <jelly> nkuttler, dpkg is taking a vacayshun
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273 [01:43:11] <jelly>
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276 [01:43:55] <jmj> Hi LtL ! Just wanted to talk to some linux
user ! Sorry for my question!
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278 [01:44:08] <jmj> Be back later maybe.
279 [01:44:16] <danielh1234_> short version: there are many
people 'here' just check every now and then. Don't
just say hi or ask to ask, just ask your actual question and wait.
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283 [01:46:11] <missmbob> jmj: this isnt a chat channel. for that
you can try #debian-offtopic
284 [01:46:52] <jmj> missmbob : hi ! ok.
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289 [01:50:05] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. Will stretch fix pavucontrol?
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291 [01:51:26] <missmbob> works here in stretch
292 [01:51:58] <Lady_Aleena> Currently when I go to Output
Devices and try to set the volume on an individual speaker, nothing
happens.
293 [01:52:31] <missmbob> there is a 2 day old install. working
fine
294 [01:53:09] <Lady_Aleena> missmbob, I haven't done the
switch yet, I'm still on jessie. It will be a little while
before I switch.
295 [01:53:22] <Lady_Aleena> I have a lot of backups to do first.
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308 [02:01:53] <jelly> dselect, ping
309 [02:01:53] <dselect> pong
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314 [02:02:33] <jelly> dselect, what are you
315 [02:02:33] <dselect> I am an infobot. For more information,
ask me about <infobot>.
316 [02:02:42] <jelly> ^^ copy of dpkg
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318 [02:03:34] <danielh1234_> !infobot
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320 [02:03:45] <danielh1234_> ! infobot
321 [02:04:52] <danielh1234_> dselect, what is an infobot?
322 [02:04:52] <dselect> I think you lost me on that one,
danielh1234_
323 [02:06:07] <jelly> dselect: infobot
324 [02:06:07] <dselect> Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared
towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to
people on request. It supports many additional features, such as
google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks,
and more. See
replaced-url
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363 [02:38:22] <kevr> Hello.
364 [02:38:56] <kevr> If I have a .deb package, not in the
repositories, how can i use dpkg-query or something like this to
look up the entire dependency stack, without meta-packages
365 [02:38:57] <kevr> ?
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368 [02:39:18] <kevr> i'd like to recursively look up the
entire depenency stack
369 [02:40:04] <TomG2> i don't think you can
370 [02:40:27] <kevr> what if we make my requirements a bit more
flexible; say i have access to aptitude as well
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372 [02:40:39] <kevr> or any debian packages
373 [02:40:42] <TomG2> you can try dpkg -I yourdeb.deb and then
apt-get --dry-run install allthedependspackages
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375 [02:40:50] <kevr> eh
376 [02:41:01] <kevr> let's see
377 [02:41:50] <kevr> TomG2: if i have a package installed
already, it doesn't show me anything useful there
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380 [02:42:22] <jelly> kevr, you can easily debootstrap a minimal
system and do it in that environment
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384 [02:42:56] <kevr> jelly: is this the only route i can take?
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386 [02:43:49] <jelly> no, it's just what we thought of
first
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388 [02:44:32] <jelly> kevr, eg.
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391 [02:45:07] <kevr> gotcha, yeah, ive been trying to use
debtree for this
392 [02:45:32] <kevr> i was wondering if there's a way to
"prettify" debtree, so that it doesn't show me meta
packages
393 [02:46:10] <jelly> if your package depends on them,
there's no escaping them anyway
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398 [02:47:57] <kevr> eh... in normal debian, yes :P
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407 [02:56:06] <kevr> alright, well, thank you
408 [02:56:08] <kevr> :)
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528 [04:40:10] <hiya> What virtualbox replacement do you use from
Main repo?
529 [04:40:18] <hiya> Anything better than Gnome boxes?
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541 [04:55:43] <Canucktux_> hiya: there's qemu-laucher
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561 [05:11:41] <taylorbyte> I've almost got a UEFI PXE boot
with NFS root working, only thing i can't figure out is when i
get to the login screen and enter my credentials it says "Login
incorrect".
562 [05:13:48] <Canucktux_> taylorbyte: so it mounts 100% of
stuff off NFS?
563 [05:15:58] <taylorbyte> i believe the nfs is mounting because
when it wasnt i was left with a prompt like "(initramfs)".
not sure if what your implying '100%' means some files
aren't readable maybe from permissions?
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571 [05:26:23] <random_numbers> So it is indeed the 17th.
I'd been intent on asking but seems the question was asked
often enough that the topic includes it.
572 [05:27:08] <likcoras> Huh, the bot's dead.
573 [05:27:46] <likcoras> Anyway, the best
replacement/alternative to virtualbox is qemu, right?
574 [05:28:05] <likcoras> Or should I also look into something
else?
575 [05:28:23] <random_numbers> Kind of. Using libvirt
(virt-manager and such) as a front-end.
576 [05:28:33] <random_numbers> It makes using different backends
much easier.
577 [05:28:34] <taylorbyte> likcoras: i use libvirtd with
virt-manager and that looks and feels like virtualbox but better i
think
578 [05:28:46] <ryouma> i never got qemu to respect accessibility
(font sizes etc.) but it is popular enough
579 [05:29:01] <likcoras> I tried to get all that stuff under
control but never managed to really understand
qemu/kvm/libvirt/whatever.
580 [05:29:01] <random_numbers> For instance, lib-virt has a
standardized configuration format that works for all its backends.
581 [05:29:31] <likcoras> But since virtualbox is gone in
stretch, might as well try again to understand it.
582 [05:29:32] <random_numbers> It's a front-end to various
virtualization/emulation (QEMU?) backends.
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584 [05:29:45] <random_numbers> Isn't already in non-free in
Jessie anyway?
585 [05:29:59] <likcoras> Well, yeah, but at least it's
there.
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588 [05:30:51] <taylorbyte> likcoras: how i see libvirtd is a
tool to easily make and manage qemu but in an xml file. virt-manager
is the GUI and reads the xml file
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590 [05:31:13] <likcoras> libvirt != libvirtd?
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592 [05:31:21] <ryzokuken> hey all!
593 [05:31:31] <ryzokuken> I had been using GNOME for a long
time.
594 [05:31:31] <random_numbers> likcoras: It does, I think
libvirt is just me saying it wrong.
595 [05:31:38] <likcoras> Ah, alright.
596 [05:31:55] <ryzokuken> recently (probably yesterday) it
started to strutter.
597 [05:32:07] <likcoras> Also, correct me if I'm getting
this wrong, KVM is basically just making qemu run faster by using hw
stuff?
598 [05:32:20] <likcoras> Or is there more to it?
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600 [05:32:20] <taylorbyte> likcoras: yeah libvirt , and KVM is
just like Xen but developed in the kernel
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602 [05:32:31] <ryzokuken> how can I solve it, and what's
the reason?
603 [05:32:33] <likcoras> I have absolutely no idea what Xen
is...
604 [05:32:41] <likcoras> ryzokuken: what kind of struttering?
605 [05:32:44] <ryzokuken> should I remove GNOME and install
XFCE? Will that solve it?
606 [05:32:49] <random_numbers> Xen is a baremetal hypervisor.
607 [05:32:55] <ryzokuken> likcoras, you know, it lags at times.
608 [05:32:56] <random_numbers> It's its own kernel and
such.
609 [05:33:08] <likcoras> Ah, alright.
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611 [05:33:20] <ryzokuken> at certain points of time, the audio
will come in bursts
612 [05:33:23] <random_numbers> KVM meanwhile works in Linux and
enables QEMU to not be horribly slow when emulating stuff.
613 [05:33:27] <random_numbers> Like say a raspberry pi.
614 [05:33:27] <ryzokuken> and the mouse will move in bursts
615 [05:33:31] <ryzokuken> and everything else too
616 [05:33:39] <likcoras> My main use of vbox was running a few
windows applications when I have no other alternative, would I need
to worry about KVM?
617 [05:34:08] <random_numbers> Not sure. Windows tends not to
react nicely to being moved to new hardware without a reinstall.
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619 [05:34:17] <likcoras> No games necessarily, although if I
were to want games, I would probably also want KVM too, right?
620 [05:34:20] <random_numbers> If it's like it used to be
about a decade ago...
621 [05:34:42] <likcoras> hmm...
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623 [05:34:57] <likcoras> Oh yeah, I remember one of my main
problems back when I was trying out qemu.
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625 [05:35:12] <likcoras> How do I configure video memory
allocated to the guest?
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627 [05:35:17] <ryzokuken> likcoras, could you help me?
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629 [05:35:26] <likcoras> ryzokuken: sorry, not too familiar with
GNOME
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631 [05:36:03] <taylorbyte> likcoras: a tip for VGA / pass
through: you'l need a motherboard that supports IOMMU and if
you have an intel cpu needs to support VT-d and VT-x
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633 [05:36:20] <likcoras> Ehhhh.
634 [05:36:28] <likcoras> Time to look a lot of things up, I
guess.
635 [05:36:34] <likcoras> Oh, it does support VT-x.
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638 [05:37:09] <random_numbers> Hm, I'd never bothered to
find out if the video memory could be partitioned rather than fully
allowed. Oh well.
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640 [05:37:21] <likcoras> As far as I know... vmx is the cpu
flag, right?
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643 [05:37:46] <taylorbyte> yeah took me a while when i first
started learning it and had to change my cpu, took me like 2 weeks
to find out why IOMMU (passthough) wanst working, it was my CPU
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647 [05:38:14] <likcoras> qemu/libvirt doesn't have a
similar mechanism to virtualbox for configuring video ram, then?
648 [05:38:29] <likcoras> I would need to do passthrough and
stuff?
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650 [05:38:45] <taylorbyte> if you game
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652 [05:39:01] <likcoras> Oh well, I guess I'll stick to
wine-compatible ones. :P
653 [05:39:32] <likcoras> For basic browsing and such (some
websites FORCE ie, not even edge) I guess qemu would work.
654 [05:40:27] <likcoras> I would just follow this for setup,
right?
replaced-url
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658 [05:44:59] <random_numbers> Oh and read the security advice
for backends on the libvirtd wiki site.
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660 [05:45:34] <random_numbers>
replaced-url
661 [05:45:55] <likcoras> Will do! Thanks.
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680 [05:57:28] <Canucktux_> likcoras: I tried qemu-launcher but
it keeps telling me that it can't detect the binary
681 [05:58:19] <likcoras> Huh...
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685 [06:02:10] <random_numbers> Did you install the package, I
recall there being something weird with Jessie's dependencies.
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693 [06:08:00] <fun> How to use vpn
694 [06:08:03] <fun> Ifttt
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699 [06:13:25] <random_numbers>
replaced-url
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705 [06:15:47] <prasket> fun, what do you mean how to use vpn?
Are you asking how do you use a VPN?
706 [06:16:14] <fun> I mean which are vpn use cases
707 [06:16:26] <fun> I understand vpn is used for corporate
708 [06:16:30] <fun> I don't have that use case
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710 [06:16:40] <fun> What are other use cases for personal usages
711 [06:16:43] <fun> prasket:
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714 [06:16:57] <fun> I want to decide how vpn can be help
715 [06:17:00] <fun> Full to me
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717 [06:17:12] <fun> Or in which way I can use it
718 [06:17:21] <fun> I want to find out ways
719 [06:17:48] <prasket> I use a VPN anytime I am on a network I
do not trust. i.e coffee shops, clients wifi, any open wifi
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722 [06:18:59] <prasket> There are also corporate VPN's
which allow a remote user to connect to the office network.
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726 [06:20:01] <prasket> I would check out channel ##vpn they
could probably provide much better assistance about VPN's
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728 [06:20:03] <random_numbers> VPNs can serve as accesses to
virtual networks, which is what their name refers to, just as they
can be used so that any attempt to connect to the outside uses a
particular gateway. Both uses aren't mutually incompatible.
729 [06:20:17] <random_numbers> I think openVPN's
documentation talks about it.
730 [06:21:04] <random_numbers>
replaced-url
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737 [06:23:39] <EvanEsoteric> Hello everyone. Would someone be
able to assist me? My Nautilus has a bug where it is very slow for
the non-root users. I am using Thunar and would like to make it the
default file manager. Question is, on Debian 8, how should I symlink
this?
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740 [06:24:46] <Canucktux_> random_numbers: I installed the
qemu-launcher package in Stretch and it downloaded 500MB+ of stuff
741 [06:25:01] <Canucktux_> EvanEsoteric: what DE are you using?
742 [06:25:31] <EvanEsoteric> Canucktux_ - Gnome
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744 [06:28:14] <Canucktux_> hmm, does this work?
replaced-url
745 [06:28:26] <Canucktux_> seems like gnome is rather tricky to
change the filemanager
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751 [06:29:56] <Canucktux_> EvanEsoteric: XFCE has a preferred
application switcher that seems to work
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753 [06:30:14] <jmcnaught> EvanEsoteric: what's going on
with nautilus?
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756 [06:31:46] <EvanEsoteric> Canucktux_: By application
switcher, do you mean a simple way to toggle?
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758 [06:33:19] <Canucktux_> EvanEsoteric: yeah, there's a
handy little dropdown i.imgur.com/iXtHaOz.png
759 [06:33:42] <random_numbers> Canucktux_: Does it work now?
760 [06:33:47] <EvanEsoteric> jmcnaught: Nautilus freezes when
opened and essentially doesn't work. I'll get the error.
Speedy on root, but about a 7 minute way for each folder opened with
non-root.
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763 [06:34:29] <Canucktux_> random_numbers: hmm? I have't
touched it
764 [06:34:41] <Canucktux_> random_numbers: I'll give it a
reboot to be sure though
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769 [06:37:18] <EvanEsoteric> Seems Debian 8 doesn't enable
change of file manager in default applications. I'll figure
this out, I just keep putting it off.
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771 [06:37:58] <Canucktux_> random_numbers: still no dice :/
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775 [06:39:51] <random_numbers> Canucktux_: Weird.
776 [06:40:06] <EvanEsoteric> ahh script didn't work, thank
you though! Very much apprecaited.
777 [06:40:36] <random_numbers> I have qemu-kvm,
qemu-system-common, qemu-system-x86, qemu-utils installed.
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781 [06:44:07] <Canucktux_> random_numbers: just double checked,
all those packages are installed
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786 [06:45:43] <random_numbers> Canucktux_: And creating a new
machine using libvirtd and starting it fails? If so, then I'd
probably try their channel, as I'm otherwise at loss at for
what else you could do.
787 [06:46:13] <Canucktux_> I was just trying to lauch the
plebian GUI (qemu-launcher)
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794 [06:52:13] <random_numbers> I've never used it
knowingly.
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807 [07:00:29] <Mazhive> can someone explain me something about
dmarc because when testing my mails i get You do not have a DMARC
record, please add a TXT record to your domain _dmarc.example.com
with the following value: / but i actually have the TXT record idns
recordn my
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975 [09:40:41] <cunsultant> hello i have problem with linux mint
( on their chat i cant get help). i have problem after update kernel
( change to older dont repair) all files and partition is locked by
unknown user, i cant edit or create files, root can only create new
file but cant edit. chmod is ok
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994 [09:54:16] <babilen> cunsultant: We only support Debian in
here. You could try ##linux for generic help
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999 [09:55:57] <cunsultant> oh rly i try find help 3 days and no
one can help me there and on linux mint channel. maybe someone know
how to repair this i think this is command line what is the same for
all ubuntu debian based distros, only difference is window manager
and repositories
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1008 [10:03:11] <Ben64> lol, didn't know he came here too
1009 [10:03:35] <Ben64> was trying to get me to support mint in
#ubuntu too
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1067 [11:08:24] <Stryker-White> can someone help me with a wifi
dongle problem?
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1070 [11:09:08] <danielh1234> dselect: ask
1071 [11:09:08] <dselect> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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1073 [11:12:03] <Stryker-White> trying to get a TP link TL-WN722N
to work. I download a .zip file from the tplink website but dont
know how to install them. And when I use the lsusb it comes up with
no name
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1078 [11:15:40] <danielh1234> which Linux and Debian version are
you running? run `uname -a && lsb_release -a`
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1082 [11:18:31] <Stryker-White> sorry i got disconnected
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1085 [11:19:26] <Stryker-White> can you please repeat that
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1088 [11:20:32] <danielh1234> Stryker-White: Try `apt-get install
firmware-atheros` and a reboot. If that does not work `uname -a
&& lsb_release -d` would be helpful.
1089 [11:21:07] <Stryker-White> ok I will do that now
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1095 [11:23:37] <Stryker-White> Linux Kali 4.9.0-kali4-amd64 #1
SMP Debian 4.9.30-lkalil (2017-06-06) x86_64 GNU
1096 [11:23:56] <Stryker-White> No LSB modules are available
1097 [11:24:08] <bazhang> #kali-linux for support Stryker-White
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1101 [11:25:22] <Stryker-White> I tried in that channel no one
answered. I'm very new to Linux so please forgive my noobness
1102 [11:25:51] <CherryCheeks> hey #debian crew
1103 [11:26:00] <bazhang> weekends or irc tend to be slower
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1106 [11:27:09] <danielh1234> Stryker-White: did the
firmware-atheros package change anything? I assume it was
successfully installed? Does lsusb show a name now?
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1109 [11:27:50] <Stryker-White> brb just going to reboot will let
u know
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1124 [11:36:52] <Stryker-White> ok it said I have the newest one.
When I do lsusb it shows that its connected but only has the ID
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1126 [11:37:30] <mosk3d1> hey guys, i'm currently running the
strech unstable, do i need to care about anything when it goes
stable? I already edited the sources to stable
1127 [11:38:10] <heiru> hello, I have network problems after
upgrading from jessie to stretch (which forced me to uninstall and
reinstall network-manager): I can connect to wifi, but can only
access a few websites like google.de / everything else is not
accessible. 'route' command gives empty list,
'ping' command says 'connect: Network
unreachable' I have no idea how to fix this. can you help me
pls?
1128 [11:38:44] <danielh1234> mosk3d1: change it to
'stretch' then it will be stretch regardless of its
status.
1129 [11:39:10] <danielh1234> Stryker-White: Do you have it in a
USB 3 or 2 port?
1130 [11:39:21] <mosk3d1> danielh1234: already done that, nice
thank you
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1133 [11:40:12] <Stryker-White> Its a macbook air I think its 2
1134 [11:40:28] <Stryker-White> on my PC its in a usb 2 port with
the same problem
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1136 [11:41:43] <Stryker-White> dose it make a difference?
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1138 [11:42:30] <danielh1234> Stryker-White: it should not, but
might
replaced-url
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1142 [11:44:06] <Stryker-White> I did something befor I cant
remember what something to do with usbswitch. it came up saying it
found something about a default wifi driver but couldnt swith
1143 [11:44:14] <danielh1234> heiru: did you remove and readd any
NetworkManager configuration for the interfaces / networks? Is DHCP
normally working in your network?
1144 [11:44:22] <mosk3d1> heiru: Do you use a working DNS server?
1145 [11:45:00] <heiru> the only thing I changed was adding the
google dns server to /etc/resolv.conf in order to test if that helps
1146 [11:45:20] <heiru> yes, dhcp is working in my network
normally
1147 [11:45:53] <heiru> when I enter nmcli
1148 [11:45:56] <mosk3d1> heiru: is it in the first position? I
had problems with the next ones in the order
1149 [11:46:41] <heiru> when I enter nmcli i can see that only one
dns server is active (which is a ipv6 ip i don't know)
1150 [11:47:41] <heiru> mosk3d1: I see the google dns was removed
from resolv.conf probably when I restarted network-manager
1151 [11:48:26] <heiru> mosk3d1: but I added it to the first line
1152 [11:50:07] <mosk3d1> heiru: if your DHCP doens't give
the unknown IPv6 adress something else resets the resolv.conf, is it
working if you edit it after the installation?
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1154 [11:50:32] <danielh1234> Stryker-White: does `dmesg | grep -C
3 htc.9271` give any clues as to what went wrong? also dselect paste
1155 [11:50:41] <danielh1234> dselect: paste
1156 [11:50:41] <dselect> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
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1161 [11:51:31] <teraflops> heiru: did you check your resolv.conf
is not a symlink?
1162 [11:51:38] <Dagger> if `ping` is giving "connect:
Network unreachable" then it sounds like DNS is working,
otherwise it'd give a DNS error
1163 [11:51:42] <heiru> teraflops: it is a symlink
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1165 [11:51:59] <Dagger> (you can check with `getent ahosts
<hostname>` or `host <hostname>`)
1166 [11:52:07] <heiru> teraflops: to
/var/run/NetworkManager/resolv.conf
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1168 [11:52:44] <Dagger> "google.de works but other sites
don't" sounds like you have working v6 but broken v4 (if
facebook.com, he.net etc work too then that'd back that up)
1169 [11:52:46] <heiru> mosk3d1: If I add the google dns to the
first line of resolv.conf and do nothing else (no restarting of
networking / network-manger) it does not work
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1173 [11:53:52] <heiru> Dagger: yes, facebook and he.com are
working
1174 [11:53:58] <mosk3d1> heiru: i don't know exactly if it
works without a restart, i think there is some DNS cache running,
maybe someone with more knowledge can tell you that
1175 [11:54:13] <heiru> mosk3d1: ok, thank you
1176 [11:54:40] <heiru> Dagger: what would I need to do to fix
ipv4 ?
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1178 [11:54:59] <Dagger> aaand that's the question,
isn't it
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1180 [11:55:14] <teraflops> heiru: he.net? are you using a
tunnelbroket? /me scrolls up
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1184 [11:55:48] <Dagger> teraflops: no, I just suggested a
dual-stack website to test with and that was the one I could
remember offhand
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1189 [11:56:11] <danielh1234> heiru: Does IPv4 work locally? `ping
-4 gateway`
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1191 [11:56:36] <teraflops> Dagger: ah nvm. i was late to the
party
1192 [11:57:00] <Dagger> heiru: does `dhclient <interface>`
help any? if not then it's possible the DHCP daemon on the
router died
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1194 [11:57:23] <heiru> danielh1234: no it says connect: network
unreachable also
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1197 [11:58:18] <danielh1234> heiru: which would Dagger up. Did
you try restarting the router?
1198 [11:58:27] <danielh1234> *back up
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1200 [11:59:01] <heiru> dhclient did not help, I'll restart
the router
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1202 [11:59:17] <heiru> but I have only trouble on this device,
which is strange
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1205 [12:00:14] <danielh1234> heiru: that would make sense if it
was the last of the tested devices to connect (or the other ones use
static IPs).
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1213 [12:05:05] <Commander1024> I have a strange problem running a
Debian Stretch in a Stretch KVM hypervisor. Since yesterday (nothing
done except short internet outtage) /dev/null seems to be broken.
IPv4 access broken, because dhclient fails with /dev/null related
messages, same goes for apt and bash login
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1215 [12:05:42] <Commander1024> Nothing complex installed or
configured, it's basically a rsnapshot backup vm with little
mail and stuff - much space free
1216 [12:05:52] <Ben64> Commander1024: ls -l /dev/null
1217 [12:06:29] <Commander1024> srwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Jun 11
03:57 /dev/null
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1220 [12:07:09] <Ben64> well there you go
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1223 [12:07:32] <Commander1024> don't see it yet
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1225 [12:07:52] <Ben64> /dev/null usually doesn't look like
that
1226 [12:08:10] <heiru> restarting the router did not help :(
1227 [12:08:12] <Ben64> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 May 2 15:53
/dev/null
1228 [12:08:29] <Commander1024> that's right
1229 [12:08:46] <danielh1234> Commander1024: `rm /dev/null
&& mknod /dev/null c 1 3 && chmod 666 /dev/null`
1230 [12:09:47] <Commander1024> that worked - now it looks more
familiar
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1235 [12:10:07] <Commander1024> I'll try a few things, but I
guess it is esoteric to think about the how and why?
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1240 [12:11:44] <Commander1024> fascinating, now it does not boot
anymore ;-)
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1243 [12:12:14] <Commander1024> ipv4 connectivity restored - but
ssh dead
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1250 [12:14:45] <Commander1024> it seems to boot ok up the point
where a getty or something should be spawned
1251 [12:15:13] <Commander1024> and then stands there with
blinking cursor, network functional, ssh dead, no interaction on
console
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1255 [12:19:01] <danielh1234> Commander1024: maybe you
accidentally overwrite /dev/null with a command? Or passed it as a
socket path to some program that just deleted it to make room for
the socket? Maybe other special files under /dev/ are broken as
well?
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1259 [12:20:03] <Commander1024> I can access the system in
recovery mode, /dev/null still looks ok, no errors regarding that
1260 [12:21:31] <danielh1234> any other sockets in /dev? find /dev
-type s
1261 [12:22:01] <Commander1024> nope
1262 [12:23:56] <danielh1234> Some weird service destroying the
freshly set up /dev/ files on startup (which does not happen in
recovery)? Did the system have successful reboots after the last
update / configuration change?
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1264 [12:25:12] <Commander1024> it did boot after last update and
ony config changes were rsnapshot config
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1266 [12:26:24] <Commander1024> don't have errors in log.
Looks like it boots ok, but then when it should spawn a console
thingy (getty or such) nothing happens
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1268 [12:26:40] <Commander1024> fs'es are ok
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1272 [12:27:50] <heiru> as I understand my problem, I just
don't get a ipv4 adress in my network for some reason -
ifconfig confirms this, any Idea how to get a ipv4 adress?
1273 [12:28:32] <Commander1024> ip addr add x.x.x.x/y dev
<interface>
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1278 [12:30:25] <danielh1234> Commander1024: does `ls -l
/dev/tty*` look like
replaced-url
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1281 [12:31:57] <Commander1024> yep, pretty much tty1 is owned by
root, but there is no graphical something on it
1282 [12:32:36] <Commander1024> ah mom
1283 [12:32:47] <Commander1024> I pulled up network, could not
login via ssh
1284 [12:32:58] <Commander1024> restarted sshd, now I can login
via network again
1285 [12:33:18] <teraflops> heiru: check youre not using 2 network
management tools at the same time, 2 stop using ifconfig,
1286 [12:33:40] <Commander1024> "System is booting up. See
pam_nologin(8)"
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1288 [12:34:20] <Commander1024> ah, that seems to be related to
recovery mode
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1290 [12:36:29] <Commander1024> pam_systemd(sshd:session): Failed
to connect to system bus: No such file or directory <-
interesting?
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1294 [12:38:21] <Commander1024> WTF=?
1295 [12:38:33] <Commander1024> as if nothing has happened
1296 [12:39:06] <Commander1024> ok, /dev/null broken again
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1299 [12:39:47] <heiru> teraflops: i dont have wicd, rdnssd or
resolvconf installed, and I use ifconfig only to show the devices ip
adresses, so I think that is ok
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1302 [12:40:29] <heiru> teraflops: I was testing a bit and It
seems that no matter if I use wifi or lan, I only get ipv6 adresses
assigned
1303 [12:40:35] <Commander1024> i restarted sshd in recovery mode
and pulled up network before. ssh worked fine in recovery then.
Rebooted, login prompt appeared, ssh dead and /dev/null broken
1304 [12:40:39] <teraflops> heiru: I meant, how do you manage tour
network?
1305 [12:40:50] <teraflops> your^
1306 [12:40:58] <heiru> teraflops: with network-manager /
network-manager-gnome and nmcli
1307 [12:41:48] <heiru> if I look into my router, it seems that my
device gets a ipv4 adress assigned, but it never shows up on the
device
1308 [12:42:08] <teraflops> heiru: stop network-manager service,
and any dhcpcd/dhclient instance you find using pgrep/ps
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1315 [12:43:35] <teraflops> heiru: I'm assuming it was
working before, right?
1316 [12:43:53] <heiru> teraflops: ok, i have stopped the
processes
1317 [12:43:54] <danielh1234> If you can not log in in normal
mode, try adding 'console=ttyS0' to the linux line on Grub
or whereever and see if the serial console allows you to log in.
1318 [12:44:07] <teraflops> heiru: I'm also assuming the
network device/devices are detected correctly
1319 [12:44:22] <heiru> teraflops: it was working before I
upgraded to stretch, but my wifi card was not wirking then (it works
only with the drivers in stretch)
1320 [12:44:56] <teraflops> heiru: lets focus on wired network
then
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1322 [12:45:39] <teraflops> heiru: whats the output of ip link
show?
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1324 [12:46:10] <teraflops> do you see devices there? as in e.g
enp2s0f0 (sort of)
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1328 [12:49:14] <Commander1024> danielh1234, I'll try that
1329 [12:49:48] <heiru> teraflops:
replaced-url
1330 [12:50:10] <heiru> sorry I had to copy it using a flash drive
1331 [12:50:17] <teraflops> np
1332 [12:50:49] <teraflops> heiru: I wonder why are you having
eth0 in stretch?
1333 [12:50:59] <teraflops> s/?/
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1337 [12:51:26] <heiru> I don't know, should it have a
different name?
1338 [12:51:41] <teraflops> I also kindly request you to stop
using pastebin.com
1339 [12:52:08] <teraflops> heiru: it should unless you explicitly
changed the behaviour
1340 [12:52:40] <heiru> no it did not change it
1341 [12:52:41] <Dagger> teraflops: only on a clean install. the
opposite is true for a jessie upgrade
1342 [12:53:00] <teraflops> Dagger: oh, good to know
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1346 [12:53:53] <teraflops> heiru: so, it seems you have more
computers there, do you know the ip address of your router?
1347 [12:54:17] <heiru> yes, I do
1348 [12:54:28] <teraflops> which is…
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1350 [12:55:04] <heiru> 192.168.178.1
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1356 [12:55:51] <teraflops> so try sudo ip addr add
192.168.178.239/24
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1358 [12:56:09] <teraflops> let's pray this address is not
taken^
1359 [12:56:29] <teraflops> then sudo ip link set eth0 up
1360 [12:56:32] <Commander1024> I guess he should add the device
sudo ip addr add 192.168.178.239/24 dev eth0
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1362 [12:56:51] <teraflops> yeha sorry im typing from the phone
1363 [12:57:18] <teraflops> sudo ip addr add 192.168.178.239/24
dev eth0
1364 [12:57:38] <heiru> right now, the wired interface is
completely missing, maybe because I stopped all the processes?
1365 [12:57:46] <heiru> I entered the command
1366 [12:58:07] <Commander1024> it is probably down "sudo ip
link set eth0 up"
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1368 [12:58:38] <Commander1024> and then "sudo ip route add
default gw 192.168.178.1"
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1370 [12:58:54] <teraflops> heiru: now sudo ip route add default
via 192.168.178.1
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1372 [12:59:09] <Commander1024> what teraflops says... mixed route
and ip
1373 [12:59:33] <teraflops> heiru: and then try to ping the router
1374 [12:59:46] <heiru> ok, but 'sudo ip link set eth0
up' is still running (not finished)
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1376 [12:59:59] <teraflops> heiru: that's definitely waird
1377 [13:00:02] <teraflops> weird
1378 [13:00:09] <teraflops> heiru: check cables
1379 [13:00:20] <Commander1024> nearly as weird a randomly
self-destroying /dev/null's
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1382 [13:01:11] <heiru> cables are good, even the lights began to
blink again
1383 [13:01:21] <heiru> still running
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1385 [13:01:39] <teraflops> heiru: look at journal
1386 [13:01:42] <Commander1024> heiru, you don't use some
esotherical "smart managed" vlan capable switches?
thinking in the direction of switch misconfiguration that gives you
multi/broadcast ipv6 ra's but no unicast traffic?
1387 [13:02:19] <heiru> I'm using a 4-port switch for my
wired connection
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1391 [13:02:49] <Commander1024> is it stupid or "smart"
(as in has a cli/web interface)?
1392 [13:02:50] <heiru> teraflops: what do you mean by journal?
syslog?
1393 [13:03:03] <teraflops> heiru: yep or journalctl
1394 [13:03:32] <heiru> Commander1024: No it has no web interface
I think
1395 [13:03:39] <Commander1024> ok
1396 [13:03:45] <teraflops> heiru: are you sure there is no other
process running dealing with eth0?
1397 [13:03:46] <heiru> it does not have an ip adress to my
knowledge
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1403 [13:04:54] <heiru> i was I think I need to reboot my device,
syslog shows no output right now
1404 [13:05:15] <heiru> -(i was)
1405 [13:06:31] <heiru> thank you very much for your help by the
way!
1406 [13:06:39] <teraflops> heiru: the process is simple. make
yourself sure there is no network management tool running, no
dhcpwhatever running, than try to give an ip address to eth0 as
above and a default route. then ping the gateway
1407 [13:06:43] <heiru> sorry for coming up with this problem
1408 [13:06:55] <teraflops> no worries
1409 [13:06:59] <danielh1234> heiru: as for other processes try
the shotgun in the dark approach: pgrep -li
'ip|if|eth|net'
1410 [13:07:15] <teraflops> if that works, next thing is figuring
out whats going on with dhcp
1411 [13:07:26] <heiru> ok, I'll try this
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1424 [13:11:47] <Commander1024> danielh1234, I got it repaird in
runtime and can ssh into it again with fixing /dev/null again and
restarting sshd
1425 [13:12:15] <Commander1024> Interestingly it got a different
IP now, which usually does not happen with my pfsense route except
MAC address changes
1426 [13:12:33] <Commander1024> But I guess I will be unable to
login again when I reboot
1427 [13:12:55] <Commander1024> runtime non-recovery mode
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1429 [13:18:58] <heiru> how would I freshly install debian
testing? I cant find any installer iso, is the only way to install
stable and then upgrade by changing /etc/apt/sources.lst ?
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1431 [13:19:19] <heiru> (to avoid the hassel with the upgrade
process)
1432 [13:19:59] <danielh1234> Commander1024: sounds like some
service or cron job is messing up /dev/null and potentially others
_if_ it starts. Do `find /dev -type s` and `ls -l /dev/tty*` look
different now?
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1434 [13:20:46] <heiru> to my wired connection: right now
it's not working at all, i'm using a usb ethernet adapter
(the laptop has no wired network card)
1435 [13:20:52] <teraflops> heiru: you can grab a netinstall, and
using the expert mode just install minimal system, then dist
upgrade. but iirc there are stretch isos too that you can use safely
1436 [13:21:08] <heiru> ok, thank you
1437 [13:21:22] <teraflops> heiru: so it never worked since you
upgraded to stretch?
1438 [13:21:30] <Commander1024> danielh1234, only /dev/null b0rk
after a regular reboot
1439 [13:21:58] <Commander1024> and as consequence dhclient sshd
1440 [13:22:20] <Commander1024> I'm not even close to a clue
what could mess with it
1441 [13:22:50] <heiru> hmm no it worked once, but now it does not
become active after plugin in (no lights etc)
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1443 [13:23:05] <heiru> i even tried another cable
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1445 [13:23:30] <danielh1234> heiru:
replaced-url
1446 [13:23:37] <Commander1024> well, I did a config change
1447 [13:24:16] <Commander1024> I jumped into the snmpd systemd
service definition file to mute it when the monitoring system
queries it. but that works (even after reboot) on the host, where I
changed it, too
1448 [13:25:03] <Commander1024> It would be an easy thing to grab
the 10 config files I touched and set it all up again freshly but
that would be quite unsatisfactory
1449 [13:25:44] <danielh1234> Commander1024: Does
'muting' include setting something to /dev/null?
1450 [13:25:53] <Commander1024> nope, just log verbosity
1451 [13:27:03] <Commander1024> -ExecStart=/usr/sbin/snmpd -LS 0-4
d /dev/null -u Debian-snmp -g Debian-snmp -I
-smux,mteTrigger,mteTriggerConf -f
1452 [13:27:03] <Commander1024> +ExecStart=/usr/sbin/snmpd -LS4d
/dev/null -u Debian-snmp -g Debian-snmp -I
-smux,mteTrigger,mteTriggerConf -f
1453 [13:27:22] <Commander1024> eh, other way round of course
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1455 [13:28:24] <Commander1024> default was -Ls which basically
spams debug log into syslog - which can be quite annoying and
write-intensive on a ssd
1456 [13:29:07] <heiru> ok I just had to activate it again by
typing "sudo ip link set up eth0", then I did "sudo
ip addr add 192.168.178.239/24 dev eth0" which worked also, I
typed "sudo ip route add default via 192.168.178.1" but
then I got: RTNETLINK anwers: Network is unreachable
1457 [13:29:18] <Commander1024> this is the default debian
net-snmp behaviour since at least debian wheezy and it sucks dick,
and since jessie /etc/default/snmpd is completely ignored by systemd
and the bug-report as well
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1459 [13:29:21] <heiru> danielh1234: thank you for the url
1460 [13:29:42] <heiru> teraflops: do you know what could be the
problem?
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1462 [13:30:48] <danielh1234> Commander1024: you could back up
your new configuration, revert the changes (logging especially) and
see if that "solves" the problem. If so, it may be a bug.
1463 [13:30:54] <teraflops> heiru: unless 192.168.178.239 is in
use, I have no idea, do you have in your router a thingy that might
block by mac address?
1464 [13:31:07] <heiru> I'll check
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1466 [13:31:37] <Commander1024> danielh1234, yeah - because after
elaborating I just noticed that - tada /dev/null explicitly gets
mentioned in that very line I changed/posted
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1469 [13:32:30] <danielh1234> Commander1024: yeah... I overlooked
it as well :)
1470 [13:32:48] <Commander1024> debian-default:
ExecStart=/usr/sbin/snmpd -Lsd -Lf /dev/null -u Debian-snmp -g
Debian-snmp -I -smux,mteTrigger,mteTriggerConf -f
1471 [13:33:05] <Commander1024> Maybe I have to dig myself into a
deep hole soon, *checking things*
1472 [13:33:06] <teraflops> Commander1024: just a wild thought,
are you sure -LS... /dev/null does what you think is does? maybe is
not treating /dev/null as you think it does
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1474 [13:33:42] <Commander1024> yeah, it does, but aparrently I
killed the -Lf in front of /dev/null
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1480 [13:35:11] <heiru> teraflops: I still had processes that
messed up my config, now it works (I can ping the router)
1481 [13:35:22] <teraflops> ^
1482 [13:35:23] <Commander1024> danielh1234, teraflops it's
official, I'm stupid
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1484 [13:35:47] <teraflops> heiru: which processes?
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1486 [13:36:07] <Commander1024> ExecStart=/usr/sbin/snmpd -LS 0-4
d -Lf /dev/null -u Debian-snmp -g Debian-snmp -I
-smux,mteTrigger,mteTriggerConf -f <- works and is silent
1487 [13:36:16] <Commander1024> does not mess with /dev/null
anymore
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1489 [13:36:41] <teraflops> you only want _one_ network management
tool running (unless you know what youre doing)
1490 [13:36:52] <heiru> teraflops: I had: netns, ipv6_addrconf,
irq/126-iwlwifi, NetworkManager
1491 [13:37:10] <teraflops> heiru: so you still had NM running
1492 [13:37:29] <heiru> yes sorry, maybe because I rebooted in
between
1493 [13:37:33] <teraflops> yep
1494 [13:37:42] <teraflops> heiru: ok, now try setting it up using
NM
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1496 [13:38:19] <teraflops> you can use nmtui/or the applet
1497 [13:38:26] <heiru> ok
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1499 [13:39:07] <teraflops> you have to restart NM or just reboot
(itcrowd approach)
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1506 [13:41:14] <heiru> I restarted nm and it still works (but I
still have the same IP adress .239)
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1510 [13:42:02] <Commander1024> thanks a lot for helping to think
danielh1234 and teraflops
1511 [13:42:13] <danielh1234> np
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1514 [13:43:08] <teraflops> Commander1024: np
1515 [13:43:44] <teraflops> heiru: yeah, no try to set it to pick
an ip via dhcp
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1520 [13:44:55] <teraflops> heiru: what you use? DE/WM
1521 [13:45:01] <teraflops> nm-applet?
1522 [13:45:03] <teraflops> nmtui?
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1524 [13:46:17] <heiru> I have network-manager-gnome installed, so
I have the gui on the top right of my screen
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1526 [13:46:47] <heiru> the wired connection does not come up from
itself
1527 [13:47:04] <heiru> (i rebooted now to reset everything)
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1530 [13:47:53] <teraflops> heiru:
replaced-url
1531 [13:47:56] <teraflops> all auto
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1534 [13:48:40] <heiru> yes, thats how I have it
1535 [13:49:00] <teraflops> lets see if that works this time
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1544 [13:55:08] <heiru> teraflops: no, I still have the same error
than before: ping says network not reachable
1545 [13:55:39] <heiru> ping google -> working, ping
startpage.com -> not working
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1548 [13:56:35] <heiru> and I have an ipv6 address again
1549 [13:57:02] <heiru> I think network-manager somehow messes up
the configuration, but I don't know why
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1551 [13:57:49] <danielh1234> heiru: Do you by any chance have
multiple DHCP servers on your network?
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1553 [13:58:47] <danielh1234> like multiple wifi routers or a
bridged VM with a DHCP daemon
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1558 [13:59:13] <heiru> danielh1234: not that I know of, but
I'll try to inspect using wireshark
1559 [13:59:35] <teraflops> heiru: ip6 address? mind pasting it?
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1561 [14:00:59] <teraflops> heiru: you can tell NM to avoid
getting ipv6 address but Im curious about what's the ipv6
address youre getting
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1564 [14:01:31] <heiru> ok wait, I'll paste it
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1568 [14:01:45] <teraflops> heiru: "ip -6 a" if you can
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1570 [14:02:34] <teraflops> danielh1234: or silly ISP ipv6
implementation
1571 [14:03:17] <heiru> any good paste website?
1572 [14:03:29] <danielh1234> dselect: paste
1573 [14:03:29] <dselect> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
1574 [14:03:29] <teraflops>
replaced-url
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1576 [14:04:13] <heiru>
replaced-url
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1578 [14:04:34] <teraflops> heiru: well you have ipv6 :P
1579 [14:04:50] <heiru> yes, and nothing else, right?
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1583 [14:05:11] <danielh1234> it would not show anything else with
-6
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1585 [14:05:44] <teraflops> danielh1234: I was afraid he was
talking about fe80::250:b6ff:fe0f:72da/64 scope link
1586 [14:05:45] <heiru> ip -4 shows only lo
1587 [14:05:56] <teraflops> idk how is in stretch ping -6 or ping6
1588 [14:06:05] <teraflops> heiru: try to ping -6 google.com
1589 [14:06:26] <danielh1234> teraflops: i know, that's what
I expected.
1590 [14:06:28] <heiru> ping -6 google.com is working
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1592 [14:06:54] <heiru> same with -4 gives "network
unreachable"
1593 [14:07:09] <teraflops> heiru: ok, so go call blame isp,
meanwhile you can try to set ipv4 fixed address
1594 [14:07:20] <teraflops> s/call/
1595 [14:07:49] <teraflops> heiru: idk your plastic router though
1596 [14:08:27] <danielh1234> but what influence on the local DHCP
stuff does the ISP have? is it not only the router / DHCP server
within?
1597 [14:08:33] <heiru> would it help to disable ipv6 completely?
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1599 [14:08:48] <Dagger> isn't v6 the thing that's
working?
1600 [14:08:53] <teraflops> danielh1234: I think his router is
doing something odd
1601 [14:09:05] <teraflops> Dagger: it does like a charm
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1604 [14:09:44] <heiru> but why do I have the problem since the
upgrade to stretch?
1605 [14:09:45] <teraflops> Dagger: also setting v4 address by
hand it works
1606 [14:09:51] <teraflops> no idea tbh
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1609 [14:10:15] <danielh1234> dhclient still not working?
1610 [14:10:22] <heiru> there was a conflict with rdnssd and
network manager while upgrading, and rdnssd was removed
1611 [14:10:28] <heiru> dunno
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1613 [14:10:49] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
1614 [14:11:10] <heiru> 'sudo dhclient eth0' does not
change anything
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1618 [14:11:58] <teraflops> it's dhclient -4
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1621 [14:12:44] <teraflops> idk to what is defaulting NM in debian
stretch, dhclient/dhcpcd/internal?
1622 [14:12:45] <heiru> dhclient -4 also did not help
1623 [14:13:24] <teraflops> heiru: tried setting fixed ipv4 in NM?
1624 [14:14:12] <BluesKaj> teraflops, the system nomenclature for
eth0 is something like enp0s7 etc, no more eth0,1 etc
1625 [14:14:29] <BluesKaj> systemd that is
1626 [14:14:44] <teraflops> BluesKaj: unless you dist-upgraded
from jessie
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1628 [14:15:26] <heiru> teraflops: I have configured a manual ip
using the network-manager gui, but nothing changed - do I need to
restart nm?
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1630 [14:15:43] <heiru> s/manual/fixed
1631 [14:15:58] <danielh1234> heiru: try reconnecting the
connection in NM
1632 [14:15:58] <teraflops> the aplet has a switch to on/off
1633 [14:16:07] <teraflops> applet^
1634 [14:16:12] <BluesKaj> really, then you have to enable systemd
networkd
1635 [14:16:24] <teraflops> BluesKaj: why?
1636 [14:17:00] <heiru> danielh1234: now it works!
1637 [14:17:01] <BluesKaj> eventually at least when networking
updates/upgrades
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1639 [14:17:33] <teraflops> heiru: ok, now go figure out why dhcp
only icks ipv6 address :P
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1641 [14:17:43] <teraflops> picks
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1643 [14:18:27] <danielh1234> heiru: can you paste
/etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf ?
1644 [14:18:41] <heiru> can it be a problem with apparmor?
1645 [14:19:06] <teraflops> BluesKaj: doing wireless with
systemd-networkd is annoying if you switch of ap all the time
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1647 [14:19:24] <teraflops> idk, read the logs
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1649 [14:20:02] <BluesKaj> teraflops, well systemd period is
annoying, but i guess we have to live with it
1650 [14:20:02] <danielh1234> or try disabling it and see if the
automatic DHCP IPv4 works
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1652 [14:20:49] <teraflops> BluesKaj: well it is for you, I was
talking specifically of doing wireless using systemd-networkd
1653 [14:20:55] <heiru> danielh1234:
replaced-url
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1659 [14:22:43] <BluesKaj> teraflops, yeah i understand, wifi can
be trouble some in the best of circumstances
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1662 [14:23:01] <BluesKaj> troublesome
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1665 [14:24:29] <teraflops> I just find nmtui less annoying for
doing wireless
1666 [14:24:46] <teraflops> NM I meant
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1668 [14:25:44] <danielh1234> heiru: completely default, should
work. Anything interesting in { dmesg && journalctl ;} |
grep -iC3 dhc
1669 [14:26:58] <heiru> yes, both dhcpcd and dhclient seem to be
in enforce mode
1670 [14:27:13] <heiru> I am trying to disable apparmor completely
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1674 [14:29:39] <danielh1234> dhcpcd? as in a DHCP server?
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1677 [14:30:13] <teraflops> danielh1234: nope dhcpcd — a
DHCP client
1678 [14:30:44] <heiru> it is now working!
1679 [14:30:49] <heiru> I am so sorry
1680 [14:30:54] <danielh1234> so AppArmor?
1681 [14:30:57] <teraflops> ugh
1682 [14:31:04] <heiru> yes, it must have been apparmor
1683 [14:31:26] <heiru> i had no idea that this could cause such
problems
1684 [14:31:42] <heiru> and i didnt know what i was doing
1685 [14:31:57] <heiru> sorry for bringing this trouble to you :/
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1687 [14:32:17] <teraflops> yeah and since debian does not default
to it we didnt ask
1688 [14:32:23] <teraflops> heiru: np
1689 [14:32:24] <heiru> but ping -4 <anything> is now
working
1690 [14:32:33] <danielh1234> heiru: apt-get install
apparmor-profiles ?
1691 [14:32:46] <heiru> yes, you couldnt know
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1693 [14:33:06] <heiru> danielh1234: I was doing what is described
here:
replaced-url
1694 [14:33:15] <heiru> under "Install more profiles"
1695 [14:33:55] <heiru> sorry again :/
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1697 [14:34:01] <teraflops> no worries
1698 [14:34:17] <danielh1234> So it's basically 'Note
that many of these profiles are not up-to-date and might break
functionality in enforce mode.'?
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1701 [14:35:11] <heiru> yes I guess that should be written in bold
and red letters
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1704 [14:36:11] <heiru> thank you very much for your help, and a
big sorry
1705 [14:36:50] <danielh1234> no problem, glad it works now
1706 [14:37:09] <fun> hi
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1709 [14:40:47] <mint> hi, in debian 9, packed
selinux-policy-default are banned
1710 [14:40:58] <mint> or no
1711 [14:41:01] <mint> please
1712 [14:41:27] <babilen> Banned?
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1714 [14:41:50] <babilen> Why do you think that
selinux-policy-default is banned?
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1716 [14:42:10] <babilen> (and what does that mean?)
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1718 [14:42:29] <mint> he was banned in jessie
1719 [14:42:45] <babilen> You mean that the package had been
removed?
1720 [14:42:50] <babilen> judd: v selinux-policy-default
1721 [14:42:51] <judd> Package: selinux-policy-default on amd64 --
wheezy: 2:2.20110726-12; sid: 2:2.20161023.1-9; stretch:
2:2.20161023.1-9
1722 [14:42:55] <babilen> mint: ^
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1724 [14:44:17] <mint> yes removed
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1732 [14:45:37] <mint> is possible use selinux in debian
1733 [14:45:41] <mint> ?
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1739 [14:47:59] <BluesKaj> mint, yes the libs are intalled by
default
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1741 [14:49:36] <BluesKaj> installed even
1742 [14:49:54] <mint> ok, but dont has packet selinux-policy-* in
debian, right?
1743 [14:50:22] <BluesKaj> dunno
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1747 [14:52:28] <danielh1234>
replaced-url
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1751 [14:54:40] <samantha-> i have a machine running a big RAID
array (a total of 11 drives in the machine), and one of the drives
(ata19) seems to be close to giving up the ghost. is there a way to
exercise this drive so its status light lights up, so i can tell
which physical drive it is, so i can prioritize pulling and
replacing it?
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1754 [14:57:07] <mint> alguem sabe como eu posso fazer a placa
wireless intelbras RBN 240 trabalhar no debian, no ubuntu e no mint
sempre funciona, menos no debian?
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1756 [14:57:57] <humbot> erm,
1757 [14:58:01] <humbot> !br
1758 [14:58:07] <humbot> !pt
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1762 [14:58:44] <danielh1234> samantha-: you could try to figure
out the port number with `find /sys/devices -name ata19` then follow
the cable from the controller/mainboard.
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1764 [14:59:17] <mint> someone know how to do use Wireless
intelbras WBN 240 in debian, in mint and ubuntu, work, but in debian
no?
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1772 [15:03:06] <BluesKaj> mint,
replaced-url
1773 [15:03:59] <danielh1234> mint: or `apt-get install
firmware-atheros`
1774 [15:04:07] <mint> thank you
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1776 [15:05:56] <babilen> missmbob: You asked about Debian 9 (i.e.
Stretch) and you can see in the list above that
selinux-policy-default will be part of that release.
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1782 [15:08:29] <dvs> 67 bugs left!!!
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1803 [15:19:50] <LUISA> hi all
1804 [15:20:09] <LUISA>
replaced-url
1805 [15:20:19] <LUISA>
replaced-url
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1816 [15:28:13] <jonathan_x> would anyone know where I could find
people who would know something about error correction? (BCH codes).
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1821 [15:30:51] <nkuttler> any ideas how to remount / rw again
when the device is marked as read only? mount: cannot remount
/dev/mapper/foo read-write, is write-protected
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1824 [15:31:38] <BluesKaj> jonathan_x, if you state your real
issue , maybe someone can help, but otherwise that's a question
for ##linux chat...maybe
1825 [15:31:56] <BluesKaj> err ##linux
1826 [15:31:58] <zykotick9> nkuttler: is that an SD card with a
"switch" on it perhaps?
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1828 [15:32:10] <jonathan_x> it has nothing to do with linux,
sorry, but I am asking in #math right now. (wrong answer).
1829 [15:32:20] <nkuttler> zykotick9: it's an ssd on a remote
system
1830 [15:32:26] <danielh1234> nkuttler: otherwise `blockdev
--setrw /dev/...`
1831 [15:32:31] <zykotick9> nkuttler: ahhh. good luck.
1832 [15:32:44] <nkuttler> danielh1234: already tried, that
didn't help either
1833 [15:32:53] <sh00p> mount -o remount,rw / ?
1834 [15:32:54] <nkuttler> hm, let me retry after the fsck
1835 [15:32:58] <sh00p> is what i usually do
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1838 [15:35:38] <nkuttler> i guess i could try to reboot, but
it's an encrypted /, so i'd have to store the passphrase
on the disk.. and if it goes wrong the machine would be down for a
week :|
1839 [15:35:56] <danielh1234> nkuttler: check blockdev --getro for
all underlying devices. Also check that LVM does not prevent
read-write mounting (snapshots etc.)
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1843 [15:38:44] <nkuttler> danielh1234: hm, getro says 0 for all
devices. no lvm
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1847 [15:40:44] <danielh1234> nkuttler: did you open it with -r or
--readonly?
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1851 [15:41:50] <nkuttler> danielh1234: do you mean the luksOpen?
no, that system has been up for weeks
1852 [15:42:03] <danielh1234> and rw access was okay?
1853 [15:42:07] <nkuttler> yeah
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1855 [15:42:17] <nkuttler> and it's a brand new ssd.. crap..
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1857 [15:42:47] <danielh1234> any other partitions on the ssd to
test write access?
1858 [15:43:47] <nkuttler> oh. the kernel doesn't know about
any partitions on the disk. that's not good..
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1860 [15:44:13] <nkuttler> seems like the device nodes were just
left around
1861 [15:45:30] <danielh1234> maybe there are no partitions and
the whole thing is one encrypted device. dmesg | grep
'read.\?only'
1862 [15:46:01] <nkuttler> i think you're right, i encrypted
the entire thing. the dmesg is empty
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1866 [15:48:23] <Mazhive> does rsync have a cache ??
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1868 [15:49:21] <Mazhive> i have a strange rsync problem.. it trys
to copy a symlink which isn't there any more
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1873 [15:52:20] <danielh1234> nkuttler: maybe dig a bit deeper
zgrep -i 'read.\?only' /var/log/syslog.*.gz
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1876 [15:53:28] <danielh1234> Mazhive: so you copy A to B, neither
has that symlink and it gets created on B?
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1882 [15:55:11] <asmo_> hello, it says "segmentation
fault", idk what to do :(
1883 [15:55:43] <phogg> asmo_: what says segmentation fault?
1884 [15:55:52] <Mazhive> hmm i see your point now i found it i
had to delete it on both sides
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1887 [15:56:45] <danielh1234> asmo_: What _were_ you doing when
that happened, and what does this output: uname -a &&
lsb_release -d
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1890 [15:57:55] <asmo_> it says gentoo, dad installed it on my
computer
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1895 [15:59:13] <danielh1234> asmo_: for Gentoo problems, you will
find better help in #gentoo, type /join #gentoo
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1898 [15:59:38] <asmo_> ok thx
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1925 [16:13:19] <tomnor> I just got an update throught the
graphical interface by restarting the computer
1926 [16:13:19] <tomnor>
1927 [16:13:20] <tomnor> But I did not have to enter my root
password at any point
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1929 [16:13:33] <tomnor> Linux fliptop 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian
4.9.25-1 (2017-05-02) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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1948 [16:20:23] <danielh1234> tomnor: So some window popped up and
asked you to reboot to complete updates? Or did you manually start
the process and expected a password prompt? Also dpkg -s
unattended-upgrades
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1954 [16:23:26] <missmbob> and sudo by default remembers your
password for 15 minutes. can be set to longer
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1959 [16:27:02] <tomnor> danielh1234: your first sentence is the
one describing my event.
1960 [16:27:47] <tomnor> some window popped up...
1961 [16:28:15] <Bert_2> Hi, so we've been trying to debug
some IO issues for some time now, but our setup makes it very hard.
Basically we have a central file server which is 2 disks in mdadm
raid1, on top there's LVM and on top of that there's NFS
to several client servers. We're trying to find out which
client (and preferably which user on that client, or which files) is
causing some spikes in write IO wait. Now, it seems to be
1962 [16:28:21] <Bert_2> really really hard to decently monitor
NFS in ...
1963 [16:28:24] <Bert_2> ... more detail. Does anyone have a good
idea of how we should tackle this?
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1969 [16:32:29] <tomnor> missmbob: this happend shortly after a
wakeup from sleep logging in as normal user, no sudo activity for a
long time before.
1970 [16:32:53] <danielh1234> tomnor: what does `dpkg -s
unattended-upgrades` output? Meaning: do you have software installed
that automatically updates packages?
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1974 [16:35:10] <danielh1234> Bert_2: have you tried any of `apt
search nfs monitor`?
1975 [16:36:04] <Bert_2> danielh1234: of course xD
1976 [16:36:37] <Bert_2> nfswatch and nfsstat and such are really
not powerfull at all
1977 [16:37:07] <Bert_2> and we can't imagine the best plan
here is capturing a day of pcaps and parsing them with scripts :S
1978 [16:37:10] <tomnor> danielh1234: paste.debian.net/971018
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1985 [16:39:47] <danielh1234> tomnor: that means that - unless you
changed the configuration - at least some packages are updated
automagically. So it is not surprising that some program notifies
you and asks for a reboot.
1986 [16:40:29] <danielh1234> Bert_2: because the output does not
contain the required information at all or not in directly usable
form?
1987 [16:40:33] <ryzokuken> GNOME has been getting slower for me
lately
1988 [16:40:54] <ryzokuken> I think installing XFCE would be my
best option -- would it?
1989 [16:41:30] <ryzokuken> plus, if I just `apt install xfce4`,
would that be enough?
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1991 [16:42:41] <tomnor> danielh1234: ok, I just never experienced
this before. I guess probably I opted for this during the
installation or something.
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1995 [16:43:15] <danielh1234> ryzokuken:
replaced-url
1996 [16:43:30] <g132312> any reason the npm package was removed
in stretch?
1997 [16:43:53] <ryzokuken> danielh1234, what I meant was that
would just installing xfce4 and using it would suffice?
1998 [16:44:10] <ryzokuken> or do I need to do sth else to make my
computer faster?
1999 [16:44:21] <ryzokuken> do I need to make a new clean
installation?
2000 [16:44:25] <danielh1234> tomnor: afaik not all updates are
marked as requiring a reboot. So maybe past updates just updated
those packages.
2001 [16:45:05] <tomnor> when graphical windos suggest updates,
one can see in details the license for a program
2002 [16:45:21] <tomnor> and it links to for example:
replaced-url
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2005 [16:45:48] <tomnor> I find it a bit confusing that that page
state it's deprecated
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2009 [16:47:00] <gtcknef> +Zarthus well, we started selling child
porn <=====quote from #atheme...look into this..replaced-url
2010 [16:47:00] <gtcknef> +Zarthus well, we started selling child
porn <=====quote from #atheme...look into this..replaced-url
2011 [16:47:00] <gtcknef> +Zarthus well, we started selling child
porn <=====quote from #atheme...look into this..replaced-url
2012 [16:47:00] <gtcknef> +Zarthus well, we started selling child
porn <=====quote from #atheme...look into this..replaced-url
2013 [16:47:00] <gtcknef> +Zarthus well, we started selling child
porn <=====quote from #atheme...look into this..replaced-url
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2015 [16:47:07] <Yugidude1> gfdi
2016 [16:47:18] <g132312> ?
2017 [16:47:25] <jolt> Sometimes spam happens
2018 [16:47:26] <NoRm4nD> ??
2019 [16:47:34] <danielh1234> ryzokuken: What you need to make it
faster depends on what makes it slow. Did you install new packages
or enable services lately? Assuming Gnome did not really get slower
there has to be another cause. Getting rid of whatever problem makes
Gnome slower would probably be better than just switching to a more
lightweight DE.
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2024 [16:48:22] <ryzokuken> danielh1234, Umm, I started using
hexchat which is now persistently open in the background
2025 [16:48:35] <ryzokuken> + firefox is always running with
atleast 5 tabs
2026 [16:48:49] <ryzokuken> my system is somewhat low spec (only 4
gigs of RAM)
2027 [16:49:20] <ryzokuken> maybe these applications take up too
much of my system resources?
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2031 [16:50:45] <Bert_2> danielh1234: nfswatch show network stats
and how many operations are performed, that doesn't tell you
much about what could cause write IO wait, no way to list what
operations are taking long, or even just a list of writes, we could
use the source limitation to see which server is causing a lot of
commands, but that would be a wild guess cause number of commands
doesn't say anything about performance. nfsst
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2033 [16:50:51] <Bert_2> at is basically the same. And there
isn't much ...
2034 [16:50:54] <Bert_2> ... more out there that is NFS-aware
2035 [16:50:59] <ryzokuken> currently, 64% of my RAM is under use
with just firefox and hexchat open
2036 [16:51:07] <ryzokuken> that seems too much
2037 [16:51:29] <ryzokuken> especially when I run Atom + a few
terminal sessions + one/two node servers
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2039 [16:52:52] <danielh1234> ryzokuken: could be anything from
hardware problems to processes hogging cpu / disk time. As for RAM
'usage' I assume you are aware of
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2041 [16:53:26] <ryzokuken> I am not. I will look it up.
2042 [16:53:56] <ryzokuken> Oh, so that means maybe that much RAM
is not being used?
2043 [16:54:00] <ryzokuken> that's a relief
2044 [16:54:03] <spacebug^> ryzokuken: are you checking that 64%
with top or free?
2045 [16:54:34] <ryzokuken> spacebug^, GNOME's inbuilt
"System Monitor"
2046 [16:54:45] <ryzokuken> feels a lot like top/htop
2047 [16:54:57] <spacebug^> yeah
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2049 [16:55:21] <g132312> any reason there's no npm in debian
stretch?
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2051 [16:56:07] <ryzokuken> g132312, idk, use nvm and you'd
probably be better off
2052 [16:56:16] <ryzokuken> or maybe use the nodesource repo?
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2054 [16:56:38] <ryzokuken> I use yarn, and they take nodejs from
the official reps/nodesource
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2056 [16:57:47] <danielh1234> Bert_2: Assuming the load is not
constant, does correlating the time of write time spikes and heavy
access (e.g. as in number of commands) from nsfwatch sound feasible?
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2060 [16:58:52] <g132312> ryzokuken: thanks thats what im going to
do now
2061 [16:58:56] <g132312> oh or not
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2068 [17:01:45] <Bert_2> danielh1234: we have not tried that yet,
we were hoping that there would be a tool for that instead of us
having to do it ourselves
2069 [17:02:15] <Bert_2> we were sorta confused how there's
tools for everything on linux but not really for good performance
monitoring and debugging on NFS :P
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2076 [17:06:05] <ryzokuken> running xfce now, cannot find option
to enable touchpad tap to clikc
2077 [17:06:17] <ryzokuken> click**
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2091 [17:13:15] <danielh1234> ryzokuken: I use `xinput set-prop
'SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad' "Synaptics Tap
Action" 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 2, 3` which is left-middle-right for
1-2-3 fingers. The 0s are corner taps. See ftp://replaced-url
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2093 [17:13:42] <ryzokuken> danielh1234, no xinput
2094 [17:13:51] <ryzokuken> apt-get install xinput should work?
2095 [17:14:09] <danielh1234> yes
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2098 [17:15:03] <ryzokuken> also, what's the diff b/w apt and
apt-get? Which one should I prefer?
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2104 [17:16:38] <BluesKaj> ryzokuken, no diff really, it's
your choice
2105 [17:16:41] <danielh1234> For scripts apt-get, for interactive
use apt is shorter and combines apt-get and apt-cache etc.
functionality.
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2108 [17:18:53] <ryzokuken> danielh1234, | ➜ ~ xinput set-prop 12
287 1 | ➜ ~ xinput set-prop 12 277 1 | works for me
2109 [17:19:25] <ryzokuken> but 278 is the default property for
277 property
2110 [17:19:35] <ryzokuken> i cannot turn it on, I get an error
messafe
2111 [17:19:39] <ryzokuken> message**
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2122 [17:30:28] <danielh1234> ryzokuken: I'm afraid I
don't understand what is the default for what and why that is a
problem. Also try using device names as the numbers may change,
especially with updates or when starting with more/less devices.
2123 [17:31:02] <ryzokuken> basically the 277 property is for tap
to click
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2127 [17:32:37] <ryzokuken> and in list-props 278 shows up under a
similar name. It says, "Tap to click (default)"
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2130 [17:33:27] <ryzokuken> I think turning this one to 1 (its
currently set to 0) will automatically turn the property on for
every bootup.
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2133 [17:35:17] <nix64bit> any good touchscreen setups for debian?
I am on raspeberrypi
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2136 [17:36:54] <dob1> it's there an alternative to xrdp or
vnc to get a remote desktop ?
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2140 [17:39:05] <BluesKaj> nix64bit, not on raspbian?
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2143 [17:39:43] <danielh1234> ryzokuken: I am skeptical as to the
at every boot part, (default) may just mark the driver default which
can not be modified. But if the option without (default) works that
solves your problem, right?
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2145 [17:39:48] <nix64bit> BluesKaj: actually on raspbx
2146 [17:40:03] <nix64bit> but its the same issue
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2148 [17:40:07] <ryzokuken> danielh1234, yes.
2149 [17:40:16] <ryzokuken> i will probably add these two commands
to autostart
2150 [17:40:21] <ryzokuken> does that sound okay?
2151 [17:41:42] <jolt> dob1:
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2152 [17:41:46] <danielh1234> dob1: well, you could foward your
local X server. This means that killing the connection mid-session
or connecting to an existing one is not an option. What's wrong
with xrdp?
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2155 [17:42:30] <dob1> danielh1234, the one on jessie is very
slow, and the one in backports is bugged
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2157 [17:42:40] <roccopro> ciao
2158 [17:42:49] <roccopro> ?list
2159 [17:42:53] <dob1> (the one in backports is the new versin,
really fast)
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2162 [17:43:36] <danielh1234> ryzokuken: either that or try adding
it in your xorg.conf.
2163 [17:43:42] <ryzokuken> okay.
2164 [17:43:44] <ryzokuken> thanks.
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2171 [17:45:57] <danielh1234> dob1: in what way bugged? I recently
asked myself the same question, tried vnc, rdp, remote X and stuck
to (x)rdp which works nicely for me. Even sound + file transfer.
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2173 [17:46:17] <BluesKaj> nix64bit, think #raspbian chat may have
some answers ...you might have a long wait for one here
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2176 [17:47:19] <BluesKaj> nix64bit, or even #raspberrypi
2177 [17:47:25] <dob1> danielh1234, from what i saw: it
doesn't start at boot, xrdp-sesman fails to create the pid file
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2184 [17:48:28] <danielh1234> dob1: what is the exact error
message? did you find an existing bug report? could you reproduce
this on a fresh install / another system?
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2188 [17:49:19] <dob1> danielh1234, now i have the old one
installed, consider that i am using it on a vpn so it's not in
local network and it's slow
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2200 [17:54:35] <jasonwc> I'm having an issue in Debian
Stretch where waking my machine from standby after a period of time
results in only my secondary monitor waking up. I have to log out
and back in for the primary monitor to display. I am using the
nvidia-drver package (GTX 1070) and the impacted monitor is a GSync
capable Acer Predator (runs at 144Hz with GSync enabled). I'm
not sure if this is a Gnome or an Nvidia issue. Anyone know of a
workaround?
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2203 [17:57:56] <xylog> I am trying to update to the latest Debian
stable release which I see is 8.8, but when I do lsb_release it says
I am on 8.5
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2205 [17:58:30] <xylog> I have done apt update and apt update and
it seems to run fine but I cannot get to 8.8
2206 [17:58:47] <jasonwc> you mean apt-get update &&
apt-get upgrade?
2207 [17:59:10] <jasonwc> what about apt-get dist-upgrade?
2208 [17:59:25] <xylog> Tried that too
2209 [17:59:25] <nkuttler> xylog: you should probably read
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2212 [17:59:53] <xylog> nkuttler: Will do
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2215 [18:00:15] <xylog> Is lsb_release -a an accurate reflection
of my subversion?
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2217 [18:00:36] <nkuttler> xylog: i'd go with cat
/etc/debian_version
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2219 [18:00:58] <nkuttler> not sure how lsb works in detail, but i
think the info is in some lsb* packages
2220 [18:01:03] <xylog> Yeah that says 8.5, thanks
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2226 [18:04:34] <xylog> I think I found the problem, missing lines
from my /etc/apt/sources-list
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2245 [18:13:55] <xylog> what is the best way to install openjdk-8
on jessie?
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2252 [18:17:06] <bub_> xylog: check out the packages by
'apt-cache search openjdk-8'
2253 [18:17:34] <danielh1234> use backports
2254 [18:17:47] <xylog> danielh1234: ok thanx I will try that!
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2299 [18:39:17] <wr>
replaced-url
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2309 [18:51:07] <danielh1234> wr: apt-cache policy
flashplugin-nonfree
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2343 [19:08:55] <frostie_> when i try to backport handbrake to
debian 8 jessie x64 the terminal gives:
replaced-url
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2351 [19:11:49] <glick> hi
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2353 [19:12:06] <glick> does the wxpython package for stretch
support python3
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2356 [19:15:19] <BluesKaj> blitzed, check your package manager for
details
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2359 [19:15:43] <BluesKaj> oops , glick^
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2371 [19:18:49] <teraflops> glick: which package exactly are you
talking about?
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2384 [19:25:06] <frostie_> in the last line it says:
./libhb/hb_dict.h:13:21: fatal error: jansson.h: The file or
directory is not available. but i have installed jansson...
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2386 [19:25:41] <danielh1234> frostie_: also libjansson-dev?
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2392 [19:27:06] <frostie_> oops looks like ive forgot it,
i'll just installed it now from synaptic and i'll se how
it goes
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2394 [19:27:39] <Waxhead> is there a reason the usrmerge package
is removed from stretch ?
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2403 [19:28:49] <marianna> Hi!
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2406 [19:29:04] <marianna> I have burnt a live debian cd standard
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2408 [19:29:22] <marianna> and I'm trying to copy some files
from the computer hd
2409 [19:29:29] <marianna> to the usb stick
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2411 [19:30:37] <marianna> and a message prompts 'cp: cannot
create directory "/media/usb0/hello": Operation not
permitterd'
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2413 [19:31:25] <frostie_> danielh1234 that was the issue i had
not installed libjansson-dev, after installing it it worked thanks
2414 [19:31:37] <localhost_> okay got an error
replaced-url
2415 [19:31:51] <localhost_> wtf is that about :)
2416 [19:32:07] <mtn> marianna: research making a usb with
persistance
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2418 [19:32:30] <danielh1234> marianna: `chmod 777 /media/usb0` or
`chown youruser /media/usb0` if you have a fancy filesystem like
ext4 on the usb stick.
2419 [19:33:00] <marianna> ah, maybe its a ntfs
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2441 [19:37:44] <mint> why in debian i need install packet for use
wireless and in ubuntu that is debian-based and use too packet i
dont need?
2442 [19:38:26] <Waxhead> mint: because Debian is based on free
software UNLESS you opt in for the non-free repo.
2443 [19:38:29] <AlexLikeRock> because FREEDOM
2444 [19:38:34] <Waxhead> yay!
2445 [19:38:54] <mint> hmm
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2448 [19:39:12] <AlexLikeRock> Debian <3 FreeSoftware
(fundation)
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2450 [19:39:22] <Waxhead> mint: besides Ubunty rymes on
you-can't-you so there :P
2451 [19:39:35] <Waxhead> *Ubuntu
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2455 [19:40:32] <mint> thanks
2456 [19:40:43] <AlexLikeRock> mint,
replaced-url
2457 [19:40:51] <AlexLikeRock> take alitle read
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2463 [19:43:38] <AlexLikeRock> mint, if you dont like READ ,
whatch the video
replaced-url
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2505 [20:05:04] <AlexLikeRock> and SYSTEMD it not freesoftware
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2514 [20:08:46] <teraflops> AlexLikeRock: really? youre too old
for this shit
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2521 [20:09:23] <AlexLikeRock> Freesoftware never past of fame ;-)
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2524 [20:10:41] <teraflops> AlexLikeRock: I was talking about the
rants, and keeping ontopic, btw I do no see systemd in nonfree
repos^
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2529 [20:11:01] <teraflops> not^
2530 [20:11:26] <AlexLikeRock> in LOGs, its non -free
2531 [20:11:31] <AlexLikeRock> binari ..!
2532 [20:11:40] <AlexLikeRock> must can reable
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2536 [20:12:38] <vadimkolchev> Hi all. Just a quick question, as I
haven't found good working answer on it anywhere. Any mean of
preventing screensaver from coming on while watching videos in
Firefox?
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2538 [20:13:51] <teraflops> vadimkolchev: it's about your
DE/WM not firefox
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2544 [20:18:01] <vadimkolchev> teraflops, using MATE
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2564 [20:33:33] <teraflops> vadimkolchev: idk about mate. e.g
gnome has an extension for disabling screen going to sleep
2565 [20:34:16] <ben__> hey
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2567 [20:34:29] * AlexLikeRock use mate too
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2620 [21:02:58] <HostingIT> Hey use my provider
replaced-url
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2675 [21:39:12] <chrissl`> /list
2676 [21:39:31] <AlexLikeRock> me
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2679 [21:39:32] <AlexLikeRock> you
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2681 [21:39:42] <buu> Can anyone think of a reason
replaced-url
2682 [21:39:42] <AlexLikeRock> and debian
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2690 [21:46:31] <danielh1234> buu: yes: when there are no drivers
/ firmware for it. Try google with the adapter name and
'linux' / 'debian' etc. and if in doubt buy one
with explicit linux support which works on Linux according to forums
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2703 [21:58:09] <strk> what is squeeze ?
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2705 [21:58:21] <strk> dpkg is away... what I really want to know
is the date it reaced EOL
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2708 [21:59:11] <lendo> strk:
replaced-url
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2744 [22:14:47] <francine> Hello
2745 [22:15:08] <francine> Is it possible to use TPM 2.0? And if
yes, how?
2746 [22:16:27] <teraflops> ,v tpm2-tools
2747 [22:16:28] <judd> Package: tpm2-tools on amd64 -- sid: 1.1-1
2748 [22:17:02] <francine> teraflops: Yeah, already noticed that,
but it doesn't help me if the kernel doesn't have TPM
(maybe it's not compiled in?)
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2752 [22:17:46] <Nothing4You> i'm trying to install debian
via netiso on a new machine
2753 [22:17:49] <teraflops> oh, no idea I was curious if debian
had it
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2755 [22:18:28] <Nothing4You> due to the way the network is set up
i don't use dhcp, the machines subnet is /32 and the gateway is
not in the same subnet
2756 [22:18:44] <francine> teraflops: iirc jessie (kernel 3.16)
have the TPM modules, but not 2.0 support, and stretch (kernel 4.9)
have it or not, even the kernel developers are unsure :(
2757 [22:18:58] <Nothing4You> on my other machines i have it set
up as pointopoint via /etc/network/interfaces, however, the
installer fails saying i have an invalid network configuration
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2759 [22:19:25] <Nothing4You> i configured it manually via
"execute shell", however, now the setup is blocking some
steps because i haven't completed network setup yet
2760 [22:19:48] <francine> Nothing4You: You might check your DHCP,
allocating a /32 netmask doesn't sounds normal for a DHCP
server, unless you have a weird NAT configuration
2761 [22:19:59] <Nothing4You> as i said, i don't have dhcp
2762 [22:20:18] <Nothing4You> it's a single ip assigned by a
hosting provider
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2764 [22:20:35] <teraflops> francine: are you in stretch?
zless/grep /proc/config.gz maybe you get some clue
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2767 [22:20:54] <francine> Nothing4You: You might want to ask your
hosting provider what the correct IP informations like address,
netmask, and gateway are
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2772 [22:21:50] <Nothing4You> it's a virtualized environment
where i'm routing a single ip to a vm
2773 [22:21:50] <francine> Nothing4You: Because /32 means a single
IP address we can't really help you by resolving your issue
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2775 [22:22:09] <Nothing4You> francine: i have several machines
set up the same way working fine
2776 [22:22:18] <francine> teraflops: Yes
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2778 [22:22:22] <Nothing4You> the only difference was that i had a
nat interface during setup for those
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2780 [22:22:42] <francine> Then you need a NAT (again)
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2782 [22:22:49] <Nothing4You> i removed the nat later
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2784 [22:22:53] <Nothing4You> after configuring it manually
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2786 [22:23:27] <Nothing4You>
replaced-url
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2789 [22:24:53] <francine> brb
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2801 [22:30:22] <Nothing4You> if i reproduce that with the ips for
the other vm but otherwise the same format using `ip addr add` and
`ip route add` via shell it works just fine
2802 [22:30:22] <Nothing4You> just the interface ist blocking
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2826 [22:44:08] <zoomm10> hello, my sd disk is 32G, fdisk find it
2 Tib....what happened? Disk /dev/sdd: 2 TiB, 2195571867648 bytes,
4288226304 sectors
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2847 [22:50:44] <gry> hi, i have no sound in headphone, only in
speakers. i checked alsamixer, it looks like this
(enabling/disabling auto-mute makes no difference),
2848 [22:50:55] <gry>
replaced-url
2849 [22:51:30] <Nothing4You> francine: do you still disagree with
my network config?
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2897 [23:12:59] <Anon1337_> Hi, I'm trying to install the
Stretch RC4 iso to HP EliteBook 725 G2 (AMD A10 Pro-7350B, AMD
Radeon R6 which is essentially the FX-7500) and when I boot the GRUB
is ok but everything after that is all gibberish and wild stripes.
I've tried external monitor (DispalyPort) and changing the vga=
parameter and nomodeset but so far no luck. Any ideas? (Both with
and without firmware ISOs tried.)
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2899 [23:13:21] <francine> Nothing4You: no
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2901 [23:13:27] <francine> And I never did
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2906 [23:15:51] <Anon1337_> Is it possible that the iso is
choosing a wrong gpu firmware or something?
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2908 [23:17:03] <Nothing4You> francine: then what is your point?
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2912 [23:19:59] <francine> Anon1337_: yes
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2914 [23:20:37] <Anon1337_> francine: can I force it to load the
right firmware? and how will this affect the OS after installation?
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2922 [23:23:50] <egrain> how do i find out if i'm using dhcp
or not? systemctl status dhcpcd gives me: inactive. systemctl status
systemd-networkd give me: inactive. any other network managers i
do'nt know about?
2923 [23:23:53] <Anon1337_> francine: BTW I've previously
used Fedora 24 on it and that one worked from day one. With even
older mesa and kernel versions than this Stretch iso...
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2946 [23:37:52] <Anon1337_> so nobody has any idea how to fix this
hell? doesnt the iso have some kind of fallback when even nomodeset
fails?
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2953 [23:42:37] <Anon1337_> ok, so it seems that the Stretch EFI
file doesnt work. Is that a bug? Is it supposed to not work? Anybody
knows?
2954 [23:43:00] <jelly> Anon1337_: it's possible iso has no
firmware at all and your graphic card requires it.
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2956 [23:43:23] <Anon1337_> jelly: Even the non-free iso? Why is
it EFI only problem then?
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2960 [23:44:34] <jelly> Anon1337_: maybe, which installer image
did you use
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2966 [23:46:23] <Guest40722> jelly: the stretch RC 4 iso (both
free and non-free) and the latest non-free weekly build
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2972 [23:48:54] <jelly> alright then
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2974 [23:49:39] <Guest40722> jelly: so it's a bug? Or is the
efi supposed to be this buggy?
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2991 [23:55:24] <ephemer0l> anyone use quassel?
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