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• 4[00:02:36] <edm> dear gurus, i have a headless system running jessie. I can't get pulseaudio running as a service
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• 33[00:14:25] <ksx4system> how often does security team update Chromium package?
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• 51[00:21:47] <jmcnaught> ksx4system: replaced-url
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• 78[00:32:56] <ksx4system> jmcnaught: thank you
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• 91[00:36:37] <okee> jmcnaught> I am having trouble getting b blkid for the SSD. Any idea what is wrong? It isn't showing up.replaced-url
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• 105[00:41:16] <jmcnaught> okee: has the SSD been formatted at all?
• 106[00:41:30] <okee> jmcnaught> No.
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• 108[00:41:50] <okee> jmcnaught> I was just trying to create an entry in fstab.
• 109[00:42:09] <jmcnaught> okee: does it show with "lsblk" ?
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• 111[00:42:32] <okee> jmcnaught> yes
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• 113[00:43:02] <okee> jmcnaught> shows up as sdb 1.9T
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• 115[00:43:59] <jmcnaught> okee: cool. i still think you should do a backup to an external harddrive before you start moving stuff around
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• 117[00:44:28] <okee> jmcnaught> Things are already backed up, and I don't have an external hard drive.
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• 119[00:44:45] <markybob> then unplug the other drive
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• 124[00:45:09] <okee> So how do I format sdb?
• 125[00:45:24] <markybob> the installer will do it for you
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• 127[00:45:54] <okee> markybob> Don't have an installer, so what now? The only installer is for windows.
• 128[00:45:59] <markybob> i feel like i missed something. i did just wake up from a nap but i remember our previous discussion
• 129[00:46:14] <okee> markybob> Windows stole your childhood.
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• 132[00:47:04] <markybob> yeah i obviously missed something. i thought you were trying to get rid of windows last we talked. i'll let jmcnaught handle this :P
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• 135[00:48:34] <jmcnaught> okee: you could use fdisk to make a partition on the SSD, and then mkfs to format the partition. or maybe use gnome disks utility if you prefer a GUI
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• 137[00:49:21] <okee> jmcnaught> Is the fdisk done at the command line, within the current Debian system?
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• 139[00:49:57] <jmcnaught> okee: sure, or from a live disk if you have a reason.
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• 148[00:54:35] <okee> What is a GPT partition table? And how is that different than the 'n' option?
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• 152[00:56:31] <okee> jmcnaught> Should I use the default of 2048 for the first sector?
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• 172[01:03:52] <jmcnaught> okee: replaced-url
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• 175[01:05:11] <jmcnaught> okee: presumably the defaults presented by fdisk are sane, it's not something i use very often though
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• 178[01:06:08] <okee> jmcnaught> The problem I have is figuring out what to use as the last sector. I want multiple partitions, so the last sector is probably not appropriate: replaced-url
• 179[01:06:37] <okee> jmcnaught> Ignore the URL. I meant to paste the last sector of 4000797326
• 180[01:07:44] <jmcnaught> okee: doesn't fdisk let you use unit suffixes like 100G for 100 GB?
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• 182[01:08:23] <okee> jmcnaught> No, you have to set your first and last sector, and I have no idea how those equate to storage.
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• 190[01:12:24] <jmcnaught> okee: when fdisk asks for last sector it says you can use +size{K,M,G,T,P}
• 191[01:12:45] <jmcnaught> okee: so you can put +100G for a 100 GB partition. or use something else like gparted
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• 205[01:20:15] <cluelessperson> Okay, I'm trying cinnamon, but I get the error, that it's running in "software rendering mode"
• 206[01:20:23] <cluelessperson> can someone help me figure out why?
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• 215[01:22:35] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: what kind of graphics card do you have?
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• 237[01:30:18] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, intel integrated. Intel HD 5500
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• 243[01:31:53] <okee> What's a good way to show the size of other drives at the command line? By other drives I mean "not Debian".
• 244[01:32:41] <afernandez_> Not debian drives?
• 245[01:32:49] <afernandez_> what are debian drives?
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• 247[01:34:00] <tatiana> df -h ?
• 248[01:34:05] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: are you getting errors in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log? There's an updated xserver-xorg-video-intel package in jessie-backports that might help (backports kernel might help too)
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• 253[01:36:46] <awwal> cluelessperson, do you choose explicitly rendering mode within your DM?
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• 258[01:37:37] <cluelessperson> awwal, no
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• 260[01:37:37] <afernandez_> okee: sudo /sbin/fdisk -l |grep Disk|awk '{print $2, $3}'|egrep -v 'identifier|type'
• 261[01:37:48] <awwal> I dont have cinnamon right now but I remember it have 2 entries cinnamon/cinnamon rendering mode in DM list
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• 263[01:38:48] <awwal> seems that it happens when the gpu doesn't have hardware acceleration capabilities, cluelessperson
• 264[01:38:51] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, where's the jessie-backports source?
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• 268[01:41:35] <awwal> cluelessperson, what this command returns? Yes or Not? glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"
• 269[01:41:44] <awwal> yes/no
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• 271[01:41:53] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: jessie-backports is on the regular mirror network, so you can copy one of your other sources and change "jessie" to "jessie-backports" for example. replaced-url
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• 274[01:42:58] <awwal> cluelessinfo, run this command glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"
• 275[01:43:21] <awwal> if Yes, hardware acceleration is enabled there, in No not enabled
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• 278[01:44:40] <JamesHarris> With wpa_client I can see there are pre-shared key auth errors but as the key didnt change works outside of bonding im guessing there is a mac problem?
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• 288[01:51:58] <okee> afernandez_> Thanks. How could I modify the command, so that it also shows the size of the partitions?
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• 291[01:52:43] <afernandez_> fdisk -l
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• 294[01:53:07] <afernandez_> sudo /sbin/fdisk -l will show you a lot of things okee
• 295[01:53:33] <varu-> has anyone ever booted deb with gpxe over http before? if so, how is it done? i'm assuming i need to build some sort of chain, but not sure what i'd need to include
• 296[01:53:51] <afernandez_> or lke tatiana said df -h or df -hT
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• 301[01:55:32] <BlenderPro> I chmod and chown a folder to have complete control of it 777 and my username and same username for group, that folder is empty but I can't even move it to the trash can as user why?
• 302[01:56:18] <okee> What does W95 Ext'd (LBA) mean?
• 303[01:56:29] <okee> Supposedly this is a file type.
• 304[01:57:05] <nkuttler> BlenderPro: ls -ld <dir> ?
• 305[01:58:03] <BlenderPro> nkuttler, let me see
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• 308[01:58:57] <okee> Do I need to bother with swap partitions on the SSD? I only have one big SSD, and a bunch of smaller drives that I am copying on to the SSD, in different partitions.
• 309[01:58:58] <BlenderPro> nkuttler, you want me to copy that here?
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• 311[01:59:25] <nkuttler> BlenderPro: one line is fine, sure
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• 315[02:00:06] <usuariovirtual> I'll past it with this nick
• 316[02:00:11] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, awwal it's enabled
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• 318[02:00:14] <teraflops> haha
• 319[02:00:31] <usuariovirtual> drwxrwxrwx 2 usuariovirtual usuariovirtual 4096 May 28 15:19 documentos/
• 320[02:00:33] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, I added jessie-backports but I nothing wanted to upgrade, so I'm not sure how to fix this
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• 324[02:01:04] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: see the instructions for backports again. you need to install specific packages from it
• 325[02:01:24] <usuariovirtual> this me blenderpro to whoever sent me that message
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• 330[02:01:45] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: if other desktops or applications are able to use the direct rendering, it could be a cinnamon bug. which release of debian are you using?
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• 333[02:01:57] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, I don't understand why I'm supposed to install something from backports myself. It's intel HD 5500, these are one of the most common ever
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• 335[02:02:08] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, I had the same problem with gnome
• 336[02:02:17] <usuariovirtual> nkuttler: I pasted it the text
• 337[02:02:19] <nkuttler> usuariovirtual: and when you rmdir documentos ?
• 338[02:02:33] <usuariovirtual> nkuttler: I do rm -rf
• 339[02:02:38] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell cluelessperson about bdo
• 340[02:02:40] <nkuttler> usuariovirtual: or that
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• 342[02:02:49] <usuariovirtual> nkuttler: but can't do it from gui either
• 343[02:03:02] <nkuttler> usuariovirtual: please paste.debian.net command + output
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• 345[02:03:04] <usuariovirtual> nkuttler: I do it from terminal as this same user
• 346[02:03:09] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: see the note from dpkg, and also the instructions on the backports site. The package I mentioned earlier was xserver-xorg-video-intel but a newer kernel may also help
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• 348[02:03:27] <nkuttler> usuariovirtual: and also touch foo please
• 349[02:03:43] <usuariovirtual> nkuttler: sorry what is foo
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• 351[02:03:50] <nkuttler> usuariovirtual: literally foo
• 352[02:03:56] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, ah, thanks
• 353[02:03:58] <afernandez_> ha ha ha
• 354[02:04:03] <afernandez_> sorry I had to laugh
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• 356[02:04:39] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, xserver-xorg-video-intel already installed and newest version
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• 359[02:06:53] <usuariovirtual> nkuttler: replaced-url
• 360[02:07:34] <nkuttler> usuariovirtual: well, you don't have permission to write to the parent directory
• 361[02:07:45] <usuariovirtual> nkuttler: that's true
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• 363[02:07:48] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: please make a paste with the command used and the output, the command you just tried and "apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-intel"
• 364[02:07:51] <usuariovirtual> nkuttler: it's owned by root
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• 366[02:08:49] <usuariovirtual> nkuttler: k I'll chown it
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• 368[02:09:05] <usuariovirtual> nkuttler: how did you see?
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• 371[02:10:02] <jon777> the diddler
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• 375[02:11:07] <nkuttler> usuariovirtual: you couldn't write to it
• 376[02:11:10] <nkuttler> usuariovirtual: see man touch
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• 388[02:20:56] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, hastebin.com/ujaqayocex
• 389[02:21:25] <cluelessperson> replaced-url
• 390[02:22:16] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, sorry, it's, replaced-url
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• 404[02:26:36] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: the paste displays nothing for me
• 405[02:27:07] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, this one is correct. replaced-url
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• 408[02:27:32] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: no that pastebin is broken for me because it requires javascript, please use replaced-url
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• 413[02:29:13] <rabies> hello peoples
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• 416[02:31:06] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, raw, no javascript, replaced-url
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• 418[02:32:29] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: are you using "-t jessie-backports" when you install the package? replaced-url
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• 427[02:37:16] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, I just did, and it installed
• 428[02:37:27] <cluelessperson> restarted, and graphical glitches whenever it's used
• 429[02:37:30] <cluelessperson> :/
• 430[02:37:36] <cluelessperson> I'm trying not to go back to linux mint
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• 432[02:38:13] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: as i said a newer kernel from backports may also help
• 433[02:39:13] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: or if the only problem you had as that cinnamon says it's using software rendering but otherwise it performs fine, you could go back to the older package
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• 435[02:40:17] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, I don't really understand all that's going on. Basically, all of these features worked fine in linux mint, no issues with chrome, vlc, or whatever
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• 438[02:41:15] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: i don't know what version of the intel gpu drivers mint comes with. I know there's a newer version of the intel video drivers in backports for people who have issues on newer cards (that's what you installed)
• 439[02:41:31] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: you could also try a newer kernel following dpkg's <bdo kernel> factoid
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• 442[02:42:06] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: all i know about your problem is that cinnamon says it's using software rendering, but glxinfo reports direct rendering
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• 449[02:49:01] <varu-> succeeded booting via gpxe http
• 450[02:49:46] <varu-> just need to load the kernel (linux) and initrd.gz from the pxe debian-installer with the 'kernel' and 'initrd' parameters in gpxe (after getting network going)
• 451[02:49:54] <varu-> then hit boot and it's a wonderful weekend
• 452[02:50:37] <okee> What tools do we have for labeling a partition after the partition is created?
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• 460[02:58:19] <awwal> cluelessperson, if you try a newer kernel and your issue persists so seems that your issue is cinnamon DE related. check if there is #debian-cinnamon specific, or you may just want to try another DE (xfce, lxde, kde or mate)...
• 461[02:58:28] <okee> Can someone tell me how to fix the following error message replaced-url
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• 465[02:59:12] <jmcnaught> okee: is /dev/sdb1 an ext4 filesystem?
• 466[02:59:32] <okee> jmcnaught> I made it an ext4 in the fstab
• 467[03:00:45] <okee> jmcnaught> This is my fstab replaced-url
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• 471[03:02:13] <jmcnaught> okee: putting it in /etc/fstab does not format it. You need to use mkfs.ext4
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• 477[03:03:53] <awwal> cluelessperson, also does GDM3 offers you a login to cinnamon in normal mode or just software rendering? you may have chosen rendering mode as default x session (?)
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• 487[03:09:12] <okee> jmcnaught> What size do I put for the file system?
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• 549[03:51:32] <ryouma> what is group shadow for? slock seems to be setgid it, and i wonder if that is why i am not able to kill it as a normal user
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• 551[03:52:03] <ryouma> (i call slock at specific times, and want to kill previous instances before i call it)
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• 558[03:56:11] <okee> Is there any benefit in creating 2 swap partitions on the new SSD? replaced-url
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• 565[03:57:52] <NotJimCarrey> i have a NAS formatted ext4 connected via iscsi. the problem is that I keep getting inode errors. should I be using a different filesystem?
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• 567[03:58:19] <Arcanos> OK, I have an issue. I have 2 Drives in my system, an SSD @ 250GB and a 5200RPM HDD @ 300 GB, What is the best way to partition this system?
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• 572[04:00:56] <ryouma> root, swap, and home should be fast. if you have videos, they can be slow.
• 573[04:01:56] <Arcanos> I dont have any videos its all youtube
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• 575[04:03:28] <ryouma> i don't know if there is value in having home on a separate spindle or not. probably not.
• 576[04:03:40] <ryouma> (guessing)
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• 579[04:06:00] <okee> How do I make sdb3 a swap partition? replaced-url
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• 583[04:08:13] <avis-> how do i inform debian i want mls security selinux on jessie ?
• 584[04:08:28] <avis-> i can't make heads or tails over official documentation for this issue
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• 586[04:10:08] <polyzen> ryouma, I've found that not to be the case. firefox, steam, and such use home a fair amount. moved home and var to my hdd to spare my ssd, but it's not worth it
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• 588[04:11:24] <ryouma> polyzen: ah, so my guess was right
• 589[04:15:22] <polyzen> NotJimCarrey, ext4 should be as stable as any other..
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• 601[04:20:15] <MaBunny> okee are you in the installation window???
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• 603[04:20:35] <okee> MaBunny> I am at the command line.
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• 605[04:21:02] <MaBunny> theres a command for making a partition swap
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• 607[04:21:07] <MaBunny> i dont remember it
• 608[04:21:09] <MaBunny> wait
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• 613[04:23:06] <polyzen> mkswap
• 614[04:23:13] <polyzen> _moogs
• 615[04:23:16] <polyzen> MaBunny
• 616[04:23:20] <polyzen> sorry _learningpapa_
• 617[04:23:26] <polyzen> *facepalm*
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• 619[04:23:40] <MaBunny> yeah thts it
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• 621[04:24:00] <MaBunny> i had never used it though...so didnt remember always
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• 623[04:24:06] * polyzen has no swap
• 624[04:24:08] <MaBunny> okee man is your man now
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• 629[04:27:26] <MaBunny> and okee having one larger swap is better than having 2 smaller swaps
• 630[04:27:49] <MaBunny> you might even take up the ram in case of tht
• 631[04:28:50] <okee> MaBunny> The SSD is 2 TB, and large enough to backup all other drives on the computer. There are already two other swaps on the computer, and I am wondering whether I still need one on the SSD? The SSD is replacing a failed Debian drive that needs to come out right away.
• 632[04:29:40] <MaBunny> im not the expert...but if you hav two swaps already...then you dont need one in the ssd maybe
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• 647[04:39:02] <avis-> how do i inform debian i want mls security selinux on jessie ?
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• 649[04:41:18] <jmcnaught> avis-: replaced-url
• 650[04:41:27] <avis-> i can't make heads or tails over official documentation for this issue
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• 652[04:42:48] <avis-> on how to accomplish the mls side
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• 656[04:44:32] <jmcnaught> avis-: yeah i find selinux difficult too. you might find apparmor easier, not sure if it does teh MLS stuff you're looking for
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• 658[04:44:50] <avis-> thanks friend
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• 661[04:45:45] <okee> ok. I have a file system. Can I now rsync the drives?
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• 667[04:47:50] <MaBunny> hey guys is there a good C++ compiler for debian...except Codeblocks and KDEDevelop??/
• 668[04:48:05] <MaBunny> one tht has plugins like git and cppcheck
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• 680[04:52:17] <okee> Does anyone know what is going on with my hard drive? I got an error message indicating skipping non-regular files "sdd1" replaced-url
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• 682[04:52:36] <okee> I am trying to copy the drive to the new SSD with rsync
• 683[04:53:26] <RoyK> do you have a backupppp?
• 684[04:53:32] <markybob> okee: yeah. that's not how you use rsync. you use folders, not drives
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• 686[04:53:52] <RoyK> SMART sthff w
• 687[04:53:57] <markybob> okee: we've talked about this okay. c'mon. you should have been able to google rsync by now.
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• 689[04:54:30] <markybob> okee: rsync -aP /folder/foo /dest/foo
• 690[04:54:38] <markybob> not drives
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• 692[04:55:19] <okee> markybob> Wouldn't I be better off cloning just the Debian drive, and leave the other drives to copying data?
• 693[04:55:43] <avis-> just though a little tinkerin' i was able to find the mls and enforcing reference for mls. its proof it pays to get a diploma :D i have one. its high school. they gave me the easy test.
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• 696[04:56:00] <markybob> okee: wow. that's what i suggested in the first place with clonezilla. then you changed your mind.
• 697[04:56:10] <markybob> okee: are you just fucking with us? all day?
• 698[04:56:23] <tiznotbutter> Hes confused
• 699[04:56:41] <tiznotbutter> I think he thinks he is going to copy the whole disk
• 700[04:56:44] <polyzen> lol
• 701[04:57:03] <markybob> okee: this is getting to the point where i'm angry because i think you are.
• 702[04:57:13] <cluelessperson> Is there a way to restart linux without having to re-enter encyrption key to decrypt the partition?
• 703[04:57:21] <cluelessperson> just restart linux without restarting the hardware?
• 704[04:57:32] <polyzen> cluelessperson, kexec, I hear
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• 707[04:58:17] <cluelessperson> Another question, I installed cinnamon desktop with --no-install-recommends
• 708[04:58:25] <cluelessperson> however now it won't start automatically at boot
• 709[04:58:25] <okee> markybob> Earlier someone thought that creating a separate file system might be helpful, so I had feedback on here that was both ways. I could see where the separate file system would be helpful for the windows drive that I am not keeping, but probably not the linux one.
• 710[04:58:27] <cluelessperson> why not?
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• 712[04:58:43] <cluelessperson> I just don't want to install all the other bullshit apps that people include with their desktop managers.
• 713[04:59:02] <tiznotbutter> okee: yu ahud drop it
• 714[04:59:39] <okee> tiznotbutter> Can read what you typed.
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• 717[05:00:05] <okee> meant to say can't read what you typed.
• 718[05:00:13] <tiznotbutter> Idk
• 719[05:00:23] <tiznotbutter> Dun worry not important
• 720[05:00:29] <markybob> okee: you can't read what we type. seriously. a lot of smart people have tried to help you. we solved your problem several hours ago
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• 724[05:00:49] <markybob> i even took a nap and we're still talking about this
• 725[05:00:50] <tiznotbutter> Haha
• 726[05:01:03] <tiznotbutter> Double haha
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• 730[05:02:17] <polyzen> lol
• 731[05:03:21] <polyzen> cluelessperson, I use startx after I login, so I have `exec $wm` in my .xinitrc
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• 735[05:05:38] <tiznotbutter> cluelessperson: are you talking about whole disk encrption?
• 736[05:06:43] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: probably what you're missing is a display manager likd gdm3 or lightdm. recommends are recommended though
• 737[05:07:37] <polyzen> actually no "exec"
• 738[05:07:44] <sje46> I remember a command-line curses dm I used once
• 739[05:07:56] <polyzen> replaced-url
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• 742[05:10:14] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, Is there a way to install required, needed packages, but not the BS recommend apps?
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• 744[05:11:26] <cluelessperson> What's the default desktop manager used by debian?
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• 746[05:12:24] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: you can read about the difference between depends, recommends, and suggests here: replaced-url
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• 748[05:13:10] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: if you'd rather not get all of the recommends, you can manually look at the recommends for the packages you want to install, and choose which ones to install
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• 754[05:19:13] <tiznotbutter> cluelessperson: jmcnaught literally had the exact answer you need
• 755[05:19:44] <tiznotbutter> Go thru the recomend depend list and see what the packages are
• 756[05:20:11] <cluelessperson> okay
• 757[05:20:16] <tiznotbutter> Theres no switch for make-it-work
• 758[05:20:25] <cluelessperson> anyone know how to kill the desktop environment back to terminal?
• 759[05:20:28] <tiznotbutter> The recommends arent usually bloat
• 760[05:20:44] <tiznotbutter> If it is you should prolly abandon the package all togeather
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• 762[05:21:17] <cluelessperson> tiznotbutter, ALL the desktop environments have this bloat
• 763[05:21:21] <cluelessperson> gnome is terrible
• 764[05:21:51] <jmcnaught> are you worried about storage space, or menu clutter?
• 765[05:22:13] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, storage, unknown code running on my system, bloated menus, things I don't need
• 766[05:22:14] <km0201> yeah, it's pretty bad... kinda sad.. i used to lvoe gnome .2.x... not a huge fan of mate, as it constantly freezes
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• 768[05:23:21] <jmcnaught> i've never installed gnome but haven't had any problems with the task-gnome-desktop's set of recommends. In Debian that almost always means "stuff most people would want"
• 769[05:24:06] <jmcnaught> errr i mean i've never install cinnamon...
• 770[05:24:23] <tiznotbutter> Just stop using gui
• 771[05:24:31] <tiznotbutter> Its so annoying
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• 773[05:25:02] <MaBunny> tiznobutter do you code in cli???
• 774[05:25:14] <markybob> i do
• 775[05:25:17] <cluelessperson> tiznotbutter, so how do I run chrome?
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• 777[05:26:03] <MaBunny> no...in a computer without any gui system...has anyone coded in tht kinda computer
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• 779[05:26:27] <tiznotbutter> Lolll that was super sarcasm
• 780[05:26:27] <markybob> MaBunny: yes. i have. daily.
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• 782[05:26:45] <tiznotbutter> Damn markybob supa man
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• 784[05:27:22] <markybob> tiznotbutter: no i'm just old i guess. what i'm used to. teach old dogs new tricks and such
• 785[05:27:31] <MaBunny> ok...sarcasm,idk....and thts cool markybob
• 786[05:28:04] <tiznotbutter> cluelessperson: your worried about chrome?
• 787[05:28:04] <MaBunny> ill try doing so...but i guess ill need to get up and front with the command line
• 788[05:28:38] <sje46> command line is easy. just cd and ls, that's pretty much all it is
• 789[05:28:46] <tiznotbutter> markybob: old? As in you never use an ide?
• 790[05:28:57] <sje46> I've never used one.
• 791[05:29:12] <tiznotbutter> sje46: nope
• 792[05:29:21] <tiznotbutter> Hahah
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• 794[05:29:25] <sje46> What is the nope to?
• 795[05:29:26] <markybob> tiznotbutter: i have xfce on a laptop. but not for coding. vi
• 796[05:29:27] <cluelessperson> tiznotbutter, how do I start windows?
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• 798[05:30:03] <tiznotbutter> Xwindows?
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• 803[05:31:09] <tiznotbutter> markybob: xfce is preddy... And your one of them ol vi buffs huh
• 804[05:31:12] <cluelessperson> Okay, in all seriousness
• 805[05:31:19] <cluelessperson> I installed xorg, cinnamon
• 806[05:31:23] <cluelessperson> what's missing to get this started up?
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• 808[05:32:01] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: either a display manager, or logging into a tty and running startx
• 809[05:32:10] <markybob> cluelessperson: did you install task-cinnamon-desktop?
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• 811[05:32:52] <tiznotbutter> That was prolly part of the recommends he choose not to install
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• 813[05:33:43] <tiznotbutter> cluelessperson: i wasnt being sarcastic? I didnt know if you were serious
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• 819[05:34:34] <jarray521> For some reason, 'apt-get update' failed, and I was told to install apt-transport-https. After installing this package, 'apt-get update' worked. This was really strange since 'apt-get update' typically works out of the box. Any comments?
• 820[05:35:01] <tiznotbutter> Well then ^
• 821[05:35:17] <tiznotbutter> jarray521: thats not alot of info
• 822[05:35:30] <jmcnaught> jarray521: are you using a third-party repository that uses https? Debian repos do not.
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• 824[05:35:49] <markybob> kernel.org does/can
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• 826[05:36:21] <jmcnaught> okay, do not by default
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• 829[05:36:36] <jarray521> No, I'm not using a third party repo that uses https.
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• 831[05:37:29] <markybob> jarray521: the real question is do you have https in sources?
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• 833[05:37:58] <jmcnaught> jarray521: "grep -iR https /etc/apt" can help you find out
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• 835[05:38:25] <jmcnaught> jarray521: or is this a distro based on Debian?
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• 837[05:38:35] <cluelessperson> How do I end cinnamon?
• 838[05:39:05] <tiznotbutter> Lol
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• 840[05:39:40] <km0201> end it?
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• 842[05:39:48] <jarray521> jmcnaught: It appears that I have an https source. /etc/apt/sources.list.d/nodesource.list:deb replaced-url
• 843[05:40:00] <jarray521> jmcnaught: This is Debian jessie 8.4.0.
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• 845[05:40:19] <markybob> jarray521: not really. but there's your why
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• 847[05:40:29] <jarray521> jmcnaught: Thanks
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• 849[05:40:49] <tiznotbutter> That was a nice solve
• 850[05:40:53] <tiznotbutter> Quik
• 851[05:41:01] <jarray521> markybob: I understand the why. What do you mean by 'not really'?
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• 853[05:41:24] <markybob> jarray521: once you add third party things like that it's frankendebian. it's not 8.4
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• 856[05:41:36] <markybob> !tell jarray521 about frankendebian
• 857[05:41:47] <jarray521> I see
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• 861[05:42:35] <tiznotbutter> Lol story time
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• 866[05:43:15] <jmcnaught> jarray521: nodesource is a third-party repo, that's why i asked
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• 870[05:44:19] <jarray521> I see. It all makes sense now.
• 871[05:44:21] <jmcnaught> story time! replaced-url
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• 876[05:45:31] <tiznotbutter> I opened that page and immediatly read they r rude and dont answer our questions
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• 878[05:46:49] <markybob> i've been accused of that at least three times today
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• 880[05:47:07] <MaBunny> haha
• 881[05:47:41] <MaBunny> either tht or they are very impatient
• 882[05:47:47] <tiznotbutter> markybob: i like you
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• 884[05:48:08] <tiznotbutter> Usually very impatient
• 885[05:48:23] <markybob> tiznotbutter: :)
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• 887[05:49:05] <tiznotbutter> markybob: do you set a goal each day of how many people you can make feel MORE frustrated then when they started
• 888[05:49:20] <tiznotbutter> Cuz yu shud
• 889[05:49:29] <MaBunny> haha...thts funny
• 890[05:49:34] <markybob> tiznotbutter: of course not. i'm here because i honestly want to help people.
• 891[05:49:44] <Kenrin> What is with that story and changing diapers ?
• 892[05:50:15] <tiznotbutter> markybob: thats good too
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• 894[05:50:18] <markybob> tiznotbutter: plus every day if you just read what's going on you learn
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• 897[05:50:54] <dak> blah
• 898[05:51:16] <tiznotbutter> markybob: that is 100% correct
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• 900[05:51:32] <tiznotbutter> I didnt know what cinnamon was till someone had a problem with it
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• 902[05:52:05] <tiznotbutter> Im sure its A cuz its trash or B because the person operating it isnt handling correctly
• 903[05:52:27] <tiznotbutter> Im not up on the latest gui nonsence
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• 905[05:53:08] <MaBunny> anything in linux cant be trash
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• 907[05:53:20] <MaBunny> everythings cool
• 908[05:53:33] <MaBunny> or maybe wrong english :P
• 909[05:53:37] <tiznotbutter> MaBunny: you might be very correct..
• 910[05:53:48] <tiznotbutter> So its B the user
• 911[05:54:06] <MaBunny> yeah thts prob the reason
• 912[05:54:24] <tiznotbutter> But all the gui 's are competing to be the prettiest bow
• 913[05:54:25] <tiznotbutter> Now
• 914[05:54:31] <tiznotbutter> And its yawn
• 915[05:54:49] <MaBunny> i like gnome though
• 916[05:54:50] <tiznotbutter> Ill be back latr
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• 918[05:54:56] <tiznotbutter> Me tooo
• 919[05:55:00] <tiznotbutter> Its so simple
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• 921[05:55:06] <tiznotbutter> Pz guys
• 922[05:55:14] <tiznotbutter> Pz markybob
• 923[05:55:18] <tiznotbutter> Be east
• 924[05:55:20] <km0201> man, w/ all the GUI's out there, surely you can find something that meets your needs
• 925[05:55:20] <tiznotbutter> Easy
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• 927[05:55:45] <MaBunny> enlightment is another good n lightweight gui
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• 929[05:55:52] <MaBunny> esp e17
• 930[05:56:01] <km0201> MaBunny, i never cared for it much, but it's certainly got a small footprint
• 931[05:56:01] <MaBunny> not the e19
• 932[05:56:09] <MaBunny> yeah
• 933[05:56:27] <MaBunny> i had tried e19,and it crashed every couple of mins
• 934[05:56:31] <km0201> i've kinda gotten attached to XFCE the last year or so... but it's become quite the pig compared to how it was even 3-4yrs ago
• 935[05:56:42] <MaBunny> e17 is good though,i heard
• 936[05:57:06] <markybob> let's get back on topic
• 937[05:57:33] <MaBunny> haha
• 938[05:57:53] <km0201> i might have a question in a few minutes.
• 939[05:57:58] <km0201> having a helluva time w/ seafile on my server
• 940[05:58:04] <km0201> it runs fine as root but i can't get it to run as a user.
• 941[05:58:25] <km0201> i'm not particularly fond of running services as root
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• 949[06:00:03] <cluelessperson> what desktop manager is the default one?
• 950[06:00:09] <cluelessperson> gdm ? lightdm ?
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• 953[06:00:48] <markybob> cluelessperson: gdm for gnome. lightdm for xfce. so it depends.
• 954[06:01:05] <cluelessperson> for cinnamon?
• 955[06:01:06] <km0201> i thought it was lightdm across the board
• 956[06:01:10] <km0201> but my quick google foo says otherwise
• 957[06:01:12] <markybob> of course kde has kdm.
• 958[06:01:19] <markybob> cluelessperson: gdm
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• 960[06:01:21] <km0201> well yeah
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• 981[06:12:50] <vahe1> hi all :) how to install the latest version firefox?
• 982[06:13:09] <markybob> vahe1: go to mozilla.debian.net
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• 986[06:13:48] <Oldcpv3> Hey
• 987[06:13:59] <Oldcpv3> Uhh i got this Windows FTP sever....
• 988[06:14:01] <Oldcpv3> server*
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• 990[06:14:21] <MaBunny> kill it
• 991[06:14:23] <Oldcpv3> It kinda sucks since it runs on ports 15000-16000, and it gotta restart all the time
• 992[06:14:38] <Oldcpv3> What Linux OS should i use?
• 993[06:14:42] <markybob> you never know the port? it changes?
• 994[06:14:42] <MaBunny> smash the pc
• 995[06:14:57] <Oldcpv3> the other ports are blocked...
• 996[06:14:58] <markybob> of course we're going to say debian linux
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• 998[06:15:10] <Oldcpv3> rlly, port 21 doesn`t work
• 999[06:15:25] <MaBunny> try cli,instead of any gui
• 1000[06:15:27] <Oldcpv3> called ISP and they said that they doesn`t block it
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• 1002[06:15:37] <Oldcpv3> cli? the hell is that
• 1003[06:15:39] <markybob> port 21 shouldn't work
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• 1005[06:15:40] <MaBunny> and then all the distro arre same
• 1006[06:15:46] <markybob> port 22 should
• 1007[06:16:01] <Oldcpv3> SFTP doesn`t work either, i tested
• 1008[06:16:13] <Oldcpv3> and even, my server doesn`t not work now, idk why
• 1009[06:16:14] <markybob> the hell is cli? for real?
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• 1011[06:16:29] <Oldcpv3> Oh well, i just used windoze in life
• 1012[06:16:31] <Oldcpv3> heard of linux
• 1013[06:16:34] <MaBunny> command line interface
• 1014[06:16:44] <vahe1> markybob: thanks :) W: GPG error:
• 1015[06:16:44] <Oldcpv3> thats cmd
• 1016[06:17:11] <aedinius> i can't even use windows without a working cmd/powershell
• 1017[06:17:26] <markybob> vahe1: because you didn't read the whole page. it tells you about installing the key
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• 1020[06:17:58] <Oldcpv3> why debian has 3 DVDs oh god
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• 1022[06:18:05] <vahe1> ok ok markybob fix ! thanks :D
• 1023[06:18:10] <aedinius> Oldcpv3: real men use netinst
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• 1025[06:18:28] <Oldcpv3> nah, i`ll just burn them into my dvds
• 1026[06:18:34] <markybob> Oldcpv3: netinst is about 250mb. put it on a usb
• 1027[06:18:47] <Oldcpv3> and that netinst should suck, if u install a OS without any drivers you can`t even connect to the internet
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• 1029[06:19:04] <markybob> Oldcpv3: you're so wrong
• 1030[06:19:12] <Oldcpv3> windows 7 did that, xp did that
• 1031[06:19:15] <aedinius> Oldcpv3: what?
• 1032[06:19:27] <aedinius> netinst has drivers
• 1033[06:19:38] <markybob> Oldcpv3: netinst with firmware included is a thing. replaced-url
• 1034[06:19:42] <aedinius> non-free netinst has even non-free drivers/firmware
• 1035[06:19:50] <aedinius> markybob++
• 1036[06:20:18] <Oldcpv3> ok, in 15 mins i should be set?
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• 1038[06:20:24] <Oldcpv3> i`m formatting my machine then
• 1039[06:20:38] <markybob> hopefully. hard to say with no hardware info
• 1040[06:21:05] <vahe1> markybob: I did everything right,but 46.0.1 version :( need 50
• 1041[06:21:17] <Oldcpv3> i think i should get the drivers first
• 1042[06:21:27] <Oldcpv3> or installing it on my NTFS or separate partition
• 1043[06:21:30] <Oldcpv3> then get the drivers
• 1044[06:21:34] <aedinius> vahe1: what
• 1045[06:21:34] <Oldcpv3> then getting rid of windows
• 1046[06:21:35] <awwal> How to prevent update-alternatives from setting a newly installed pkg as default for X task/feature if that X task/feature isn't set as default manually?
• 1047[06:21:44] <aedinius> vahe1: firefox 50 doesn't exist
• 1048[06:22:22] <aedinius> vahe1: 46.0.1 is the latest version of firefox, period
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• 1050[06:22:37] <markybob> Oldcpv3: you're making no sense. vahe1 nor are you
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• 1052[06:22:59] <awwal> Update-alternatives it self decides to set the newly installed pkg as default ot the new pkg requests update-alternatives to do that?
• 1053[06:23:28] <vahe1> ah ok thanks aedinius I completely changed the language on hy_AM but for some reason firefox has remained english
• 1054[06:23:49] <vahe1> how do I change?
• 1055[06:24:49] <vahe1> #locale
• 1056[06:24:49] <vahe1> LANG=hy_AM
• 1057[06:24:49] <vahe1> LANGUAGE=
• 1058[06:24:49] <vahe1> LC_CTYPE=hy_AM
• 1059[06:24:49] <vahe1> LC_NUMERIC=hy_AM
• 1060[06:24:50] <vahe1> LC_TIME=hy_AM
• 1061[06:24:50] <vahe1> LC_COLLATE=hy_AM
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• 1064[06:24:57] <aedinius> vahe1: did you set the language in firefox? preferences/content/languages
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• 1066[06:25:13] <aedinius> there's that, too.
• 1067[06:25:38] <markybob> it is sunday
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• 1069[06:25:48] <vahe1> ah sorry replaced-url
• 1070[06:26:03] <aedinius> vahe1: did you set the language in firefox? preferences/content/languages
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• 1074[06:27:41] <vahe1> aedinius: yes
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• 1076[06:27:57] <aedinius> That's all I got. Sorry =/
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• 1078[06:28:27] <vahe1> now hy_AM but the language is still English :D
• 1079[06:29:02] <vahe1> aedinius: thanks :)
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• 1083[06:29:36] <themill> is firefox-l10n-hy-am installed?
• 1084[06:29:42] <aedinius> vahe1: do you have firefox-esr-l10n-hy-am installed
• 1085[06:29:44] <ftawolf> evening
• 1086[06:29:56] <aedinius> or that one
• 1087[06:29:56] <vahe1> ah no cool
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• 1089[06:30:47] <vahe1> aedinius: yeeees! work
• 1090[06:30:59] <vahe1> aedinius: thanks~
• 1091[06:31:28] <aedinius> whooo
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• 1093[06:31:35] <aedinius> themill: why do we have different package names?
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• 1095[06:31:47] <aedinius> oh right release differences
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• 1097[06:32:05] <themill> jessie-backports vs sid/stretch
• 1098[06:32:23] <aedinius> right
• 1099[06:32:34] <Delf> Can't install "pepperflashplugin-nonfree" :( It says: ERROR: failed to retrieve status information from google… (first repeat)
• 1100[06:32:42] <MaBunny> themill why is codeblocks provided in the backports
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• 1102[06:33:00] <themill> MaBunny: why not?
• 1103[06:33:02] <MaBunny> they hav a 16.01 ver made in jan this year
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• 1105[06:33:25] <MaBunny> their ide is the best...codelite is too slow
• 1106[06:33:25] <cluelessperson> So I installed xorg, cinnamon
• 1107[06:33:30] <cluelessperson> but I can't get applciations to start
• 1108[06:33:33] <cluelessperson> what am I doing wrong?
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• 1110[06:34:07] <MaBunny> i hav to download their package as a tarball and install via gdebi :(
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• 1113[06:35:57] <aedinius> cluelessperson: I need more information than that.
• 1114[06:36:30] <markybob> !tell MaBunny about sns
• 1115[06:37:14] <MaBunny> i dont understand
• 1116[06:37:37] <cluelessperson> aedinius, I installed debian, then xorg, and cinnamon --no-install-recommends
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• 1118[06:37:52] <cluelessperson> aedinius, inside cinnamon, I'll try to start chrome, chromium, and no window opens
• 1119[06:38:06] <cluelessperson> nvm, it must not work as root
• 1120[06:38:15] <aedinius> don't run as root
• 1121[06:38:22] <markybob> cluelessperson: right. and you've failed to follow what everyone else has told you since
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• 1123[06:38:57] <MaBunny> actually...my question was why is codeblocks in the backports...as against jessie
• 1124[06:39:48] <markybob> MaBunny: because jessie froze quite a while ago. new stuff doesn't get added to stable. thus jessie-backports
• 1125[06:40:47] <MaBunny> jessie froze??? you mean no more new packages or new updates??
• 1126[06:41:20] <aedinius> replaced-url
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• 1128[06:41:39] <markybob> MaBunny: basically. only security and major bug fixes
• 1129[06:41:41] <aedinius> Not sure if that's the right page
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• 1131[06:42:03] <aedinius> every debian release is basically an "lts' release
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• 1187[07:40:22] <Sheraf> Hi
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• 1197[07:49:54] <vahe1> how to update mate to version 1.14? debian 8.4
• 1198[07:50:06] <vahe1> now 1.8.1
• 1199[07:52:00] <jmcnaught> vahe1: generally you don't. jessie will have the same version of mate and most other packages for it's whole life, that's how Debian works.
• 1200[07:52:33] <jmcnaught> the next version of Debian, Stretch or 9, will have a newer version of mate
• 1201[07:53:17] <aedinius> 1.12.1 is in testing righ tnow
• 1202[07:53:43] <vahe1> thanks
• 1203[07:53:43] <vahe1> it's good,but I do not think that there is no possibility to upgrade make
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• 1205[07:54:04] <vahe1> it's freesoftware :D
• 1206[07:54:32] <vahe1> 2016-04-08 15:00   MATE 1.14 released
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• 1208[07:55:15] <aedinius> do you really need the latest version?
• 1209[07:56:05] <vahe1> jmcnaught: thanks this question is for interest as I and 1.8 is enough :) just wondering
• 1210[07:56:42] <vahe1> aedinius: not really,just wondering
• 1211[07:56:45] <vahe1> :D
• 1212[07:57:26] <vahe1> I many time have not used debian, now explore
• 1213[07:57:27] <vahe1> :)
• 1214[07:58:34] <vahe1> thanks all :) aedinius jmcnaught
• 1215[07:59:04] <aedinius> o^\
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• 1234[08:20:22] <lxsameer> hey folks, what is the difference between docker.io package and the one from docker official debian repository ?
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• 1239[08:24:22] <jmcnaught> lxsameer: docker.io doesn't require using a third party repository, so is less likely to cause problems during major Debian release upgrades, but it will always lag behind the upstream version
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• 1241[08:25:31] <lxsameer> jmcnaught: hmmm I read in several places that docker official version removed static binary and old lxc-docker tools, what did debian do about it ? I'm on sid
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• 1243[08:28:16] <jmcnaught> lxsameer: i've only tried out docker (Debian and upstream packages) for a couple of days, I can't remember much. You can look for Debian specific stuff in /usr/share/doc/docker.io/
• 1244[08:28:55] <lxsameer> thanks
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• 1287[09:00:35] <r3m> ,v cfg2html
• 1288[09:00:36] <judd> No package named 'cfg2html' was found in amd64.
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• 1292[09:02:38] <tiznotbutter> Hellert
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• 1295[09:03:00] <mariok> Hello guys!
• 1296[09:03:51] <Crypto0> hello , im using vbox and i downloaded kali linux vbox image , when i start the machine its keep saying loading , please wait
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• 1298[09:04:19] <Crypto0> i wait 3 hour for it and its didnt fixed
• 1299[09:04:43] <tiznotbutter> Crypto0: throw the computer
• 1300[09:04:47] <tiznotbutter> Might help
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• 1302[09:05:43] <mariok> I've recently installed Debian GNU/Linux testing (stretch) and I want to connect ifupdown with shorewall.
• 1303[09:05:50] <Crypto0> computer = core i5 ram 3ghz ,4gb , 2gb graphic
• 1304[09:06:19] <mariok> a few years ago I tried to to the same thing with Debian GNU/Linux (jessie) and didn't find any script to to that.
• 1305[09:06:29] <mariok> Is there some supported way to do that nowadays?
• 1306[09:06:41] <mariok> s/to to/to do/
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• 1309[09:07:50] <mariok> in the past I "developed" my own unspported script to hack a "ifupdown shorewall integration" script that does exactly what I want to do.
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• 1311[09:08:14] <mariok> I'm looking for a supported way to do that. Is there any way to do that?
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• 1334[09:22:16] <Wulf> Is there a command to display all files inside a .deb package?
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• 1340[09:24:07] <Wulf> never mind, "dpkg-deb -c" does it
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• 1379[09:45:11] <bibek> hi everyone
• 1380[09:45:15] <bibek> hello
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• 1445[10:24:51] <bibek> how do i list all the monitors available
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• 1452[10:27:19] <Wulf> bibek: xrandr perhaps
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• 1457[10:30:18] <Pr0metheus> i want to move files from an ext4 to a ntfs drive and i get the following error: Error while copying file... Details: Error splicing file: Input/Output Error, any idea what could be wrong?
• 1458[10:30:46] <Wulf> Pr0metheus: what program did you use for this?
• 1459[10:30:57] <Pr0metheus> Files
• 1460[10:30:58] <Wulf> Pr0metheus: and it the error while reading from ext4 or writing ntfs?
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• 1464[10:31:07] <Pr0metheus> while writing to ntfs
• 1465[10:31:08] <Wulf> "Files" does not sound like a program
• 1466[10:31:29] <Pr0metheus> Gnome->Files (doesn't say anything else in about)
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• 1469[10:32:02] <Wulf> Pr0metheus: anything in the kernel log?
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• 1472[10:33:50] <Pr0metheus> one sec i pastebin, there must be something wrong with sata
• 1473[10:35:43] <x-fak> hi
• 1474[10:35:55] <Pr0metheus> Wulf: replaced-url
• 1475[10:36:46] <mariok> is there some nice shorewall integration into network available in Debian ?
• 1476[10:37:20] <mariok> I want to configure the firewall zone inside the networkmanager interface config and shorewall should recognize this config.
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• 1480[10:40:20] <Wulf> Pr0metheus: might be broken hard drive
• 1481[10:40:51] <bibek> ppphey, so i'm trying to setup vnc on debian install that doesn't have any monitor attached,
• 1482[10:41:01] <bibek> is there a guide/reference i can follow?
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• 1487[10:50:58] <antzero> is possible to assign an icon to executables?
• 1488[10:51:04] <antzero> I hate the placeholder/standard one
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• 1508[10:57:31] <SpeedyG> hey, i'm having this problem with gnome extensions site probably lost of people have had already, the on/off switch does not install the desired extention. both on chromium and iceweasel... can't find a working solution (yet) using google, any good pointers where to look ?
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• 1530[11:06:37] <uprct> Hi, Where I can find debian support channel ?
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• 1534[11:08:17] <han-solo> you're on one now
• 1535[11:08:19] <han-solo> :)
• 1536[11:08:34] <han-solo> <-----------see!
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• 1538[11:08:54] <han-solo> #debian <--------see!
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• 1541[11:10:02] <uprct> oooh yeah :D
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• 1548[11:11:56] <han-solo> so ask, someone will likely answer
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• 1554[11:13:19] <uprct> I'm from Bulgaria and our official mirror (ftp.bg.debian.org/debian/) doesn't work.
• 1555[11:13:38] <uprct> I just want to tell it to the support
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• 1569[11:18:45] <han-solo> uprct: replaced-url
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• 1571[11:19:05] <han-solo> maybe you'll find what you're looking for
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• 1575[11:21:46] <han-solo> for i in `users`;do whois $i;done
• 1576[11:21:52] <han-solo> damn
• 1577[11:22:29] <uprct> thanks
• 1578[11:23:15] <han-solo> sure. No problem
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• 1586[11:31:36] <bipul> han-solo, which mirror do you use?
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• 1588[11:31:55] <han-solo> why
• 1589[11:31:56] <han-solo> ?
• 1590[11:32:56] <antzero> I'm trying to setup Let's Encrypt on debian 8
• 1591[11:33:32] <antzero> Apt says I have unmet dependencies but they are not going to be installed
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• 1594[11:33:55] <antzero> I manually installed the python-acme package it was missing but it keeps giving the same error
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• 1600[11:36:53] <nkuttler> !tell antzero about errors
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• 1603[11:38:17] <han-solo> bipul: I've like 11 of them
• 1604[11:38:51] <antzero> > Apt says I have unmet dependencies but they are not going to be installed
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• 1606[11:38:56] <han-solo> no, just 3 now
• 1607[11:39:18] <antzero> Depends: python-acme (>= 0.5.0) but it is not going to be installed
• 1608[11:39:22] <nkuttler> antzero: please paste command + entire output
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• 1610[11:39:31] <nkuttler> antzero: on paste.debian.net
• 1611[11:39:32] <antzero> But I just installed python-acme 0.6.0
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• 1613[11:39:56] <dTal> that error message "is not going to be installed" is so bogus
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• 1615[11:40:20] <antzero> That's all I have
• 1616[11:40:23] <dTal> it accounts for like, 95% of the times I want to throw Debian out the window
• 1617[11:40:53] <dTal> I always end up fixing it my messing around with apt until its knickers untwist
• 1618[11:41:01] <dTal> still don't know what it *actually* means
• 1619[11:41:10] <antzero> I just followed the instructions from letsencrypt
• 1620[11:41:17] <nkuttler> dTal: usually it means that you mixed sources, or hold packages, or somesuch
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• 1623[11:41:42] <dTal> yeah but what does it *actually* mean
• 1624[11:41:47] <antzero> Added backports as source and tried running apt-get install python-letsencrypt-apache -t jessie-backports
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• 1626[11:41:57] <x-fak> is there any apache guru out there? I've installed apache on my Jessie server and i was wondering which module in the active module is responsible of the access.log logging: paste.debian.net/712179/
• 1627[11:42:01] <nkuttler> dTal: you can't install a package because dependencies aren't available
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• 1630[11:42:47] <dTal> if that is indeed the case I motion to change that message to "required dependencies are not available"
• 1631[11:43:02] <nkuttler> antzero: sounds like backports are broken
• 1632[11:43:15] <antzero> Okay so what I should/can do?
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• 1634[11:43:27] <nkuttler> antzero: i use the git source from letsencrypt, works fine
• 1635[11:43:30] <antzero> I tried to manually install the dependency and it worked but apt keeps not "seeing" the change
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• 1637[11:43:42] <antzero> Ok will try, thanks
• 1638[11:43:59] <nkuttler> antzero: i use a virtualenv though, not sure if stable has all required deps
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• 1640[11:45:18] <dTal> antzero: for python packages I use stdeb rather than backports, works great
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• 1642[11:46:30] <dTal> only downside is the generated .debs often aren't aware of their actual dependencies - but hey, you can install those
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• 1644[11:48:15] <antzero> Okay, I'm trying to manually compiling from the git source for now
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• 1646[11:48:28] <antzero> But annotating what you said, could come handy in the future
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• 1649[11:49:21] <nkuttler> there shouldn't be anything to compile, it's just script
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• 1652[11:50:17] <antzero> perfect, all worked and the apache-plugin did all the job
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• 1715[12:28:19] <x-fak> what's the proper way to restart apache with Debian 8.4 (jessie)?
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• 1719[12:31:18] <han-solo> /etc/init.d/apache2 restart?
• 1720[12:31:27] <han-solo> or you could use systemctl, i guess
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• 1725[12:32:40] <han-solo> i don't know if you can use systemctl to do that
• 1726[12:32:47] <han-solo> it's systemd
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• 1731[12:40:03] <posix> hi
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• 1734[12:40:38] <posix> good morning
• 1735[12:40:44] <x-fak> han-solo , if i restart apache, will i lose my log file contents?
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• 1744[12:46:09] <antzero> x-fak: afaik you don't
• 1745[12:47:58] <npo> x-fak: service apache restart
• 1746[12:48:04] <npo> x-fak: and no, you wont lose your log files if you restart
• 1747[12:48:18] <npo> x-fak: at least you shouldn't, because you don't with any other service
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• 1753[12:52:17] <x-fak> antzero npo , ok ty, i ask that because i've change my timezone with the command timedatectl and my apache logs date was not updated without restarting the service
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• 1756[12:55:37] <x-fak> the proper way to restart it i think is: service apache2 restart
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• 1760[12:56:00] <x-fak> and i think it's same than systemctl restart apache2.service
• 1761[12:56:15] <npo> x-fak: yeah, maybe there's a 2 after apache
• 1762[12:56:20] <teraflops> not really since there's no apache unit in debian stable
• 1763[12:56:25] <npo> x-fak: i dont use apache so i dont know specifically :P
• 1764[12:56:35] <teraflops> systemd unit*
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• 1766[12:58:05] <x-fak> teraflops , sorry?
• 1767[12:58:21] <x-fak> npo , what do you instead?
• 1768[12:58:38] <npo> x-fak: i always use 'service X restart'
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• 1770[12:59:04] <npo> i'm also using jessie
• 1771[12:59:14] <teraflops> I mean systemctl restart apache is using sysvinit anyway since theres no systemd apache unit file
• 1772[12:59:34] <teraflops> and internally service apache ... is using apachectl
• 1773[12:59:43] <teraflops> apache2ctl*
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• 1780[13:01:16] <x-fak> teraflops ok, but the command exists on my system even if there is no systemd apache unit file
• 1781[13:01:36] <x-fak> and i dont know what is the difference if there is a systemd unit file or not
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• 1785[13:03:27] <posix> should i answer Yes, do as i say!
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• 1787[13:03:31] <posix> at apt-get :P
• 1788[13:03:44] <antzero> x-fak: nice
• 1789[13:04:03] <antzero> anyone here tried installing debian-stretch on virtualbox and had problems?
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• 1794[13:05:24] <doublehp> how to run fsck -y at boot ? Debian; can I tune it directly in /etc ? automatically, without having to use keyboard
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• 1797[13:06:51] <x-fak> teraflops , if there is apache unit file, why do i have a result for this command "systemctl show httpd"?
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• 1800[13:07:36] <teraflops> there's _no_ apache unit file in jessie
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• 1802[13:07:48] <teraflops> x-fak: because debian
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• 1890[14:01:29] <usuariovirtual> I have 2 questions: one is why the debian installation pdf refer to a usb stick as a "disk" device when is clearly not a disk, and second why using unetbootin is not recommended in which way alterns the image that is that bad
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• 1892[14:04:53] <markybob> usuariovirtual: by that logic are ssd's not disks? it causes all sorts of problems. it's not even something that can be nailed down.
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• 1900[14:07:15] <usuariovirtual> markybob: calling it other then disks is problematic is dat wot yer saying
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• 1902[14:07:50] <themill> You can copy the installer image to rotating rust if you want
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• 1905[14:08:06] <usuariovirtual> markybob: and in sdd the d I know doesn't mean disk its drive
• 1906[14:08:08] <markybob> no. just that it makes sense
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• 1910[14:10:23] <Matumaros> Hi, somebody helped me last week with getting a wifi stick to work
• 1911[14:10:41] <Matumaros> The solution were following commands
• 1912[14:10:42] <Matumaros> modprobe rtl8192cu
• 1913[14:10:50] <Matumaros> echo "050d 21f2" > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/rtl8192cu/new_id
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• 1915[14:11:37] <Matumaros> oh, nevermind, I forgot that those commands only work in sudo mode
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• 1921[14:13:19] <Matumaros> Well, last time I did both commands the wifi networks showed up, not this time
• 1922[14:13:23] <Matumaros> can anybody help me?
• 1923[14:13:38] <Matumaros> iw list doesn't give me anything
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• 1927[14:15:09] <Matumaros> (I'm working with a fresh install of Debian Jessie Stable)
• 1928[14:15:35] <superlinux> hi, I cannot apt-get anything. I get : socket (105: No buffer space available)
• 1929[14:15:52] <superlinux> how can I fix this? it's on my VPS
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• 1954[14:28:46] <hid3> Hello. Anyone else having problems reducing 'open_files_limit' value to a sane amount in MySQL on Debian 8? I have an entry 'open_files_limit=10240', it also adds option --open-files-limit=10240 to the process, however, the actual value is much larger, to be exact it is 262294. Any ideas?
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• 1961[14:33:00] <usuariovirtual> hid3: restart the service
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• 1963[14:33:28] <usuariovirtual> hid3: I take that from my experience with security properties fore wireless networks on windows 7
• 1964[14:33:36] <hid3> usuariovirtual: obviously I have restarted it (multiple times)
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• 1969[14:35:13] <usuariovirtual> hid3: have you checked on reddit forum and such
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• 1972[14:36:42] <hid3> Yes, I have. Seems there was a bug with that option a few versions ago, where you had ro put dashes (-) instead of underscores (_). I have tried them both to noavail... And I found nothing useful more. Seems everyone is concerned about increasing the limits over 1024 barrier or so (which required OS nofile settings modified), however, I want to decrease it...
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• 1980[14:41:23] <seto> im having a issue with the newest debian live system cd
• 1981[14:41:35] <seto> i have no wifi installed when booted to it
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• 1983[14:41:41] <seto> my card is Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 (rev 83)
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• 1985[14:42:14] <seto> need the firmware and tools like iwconfig etc so need a source to download the .deb etc
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• 1987[14:43:40] <Akuw> i upgrade mysql to last version now i get this Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost'
• 1988[14:44:06] <usuariovirtual> hid3: check the release notes for different versions of mysql to see if they take note of that
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• 1990[14:45:05] <markybob> seto: there is a live image with firmware built in. replaced-url
• 1991[14:45:36] <seto> for petes sake lol
• 1992[14:45:41] <seto> did not see that before
• 1993[14:45:51] <seto> thats the full try before you die cd right?
• 1994[14:45:55] <seto> heheh
• 1995[14:46:01] <hid3> nothing in the release notes regarding that :(
• 1996[14:47:01] <Matumaros> I still need help with my ISY N300 Mini Wireles Adapter
• 1997[14:47:07] <usuariovirtual> hid3: oww too bad
• 1998[14:47:17] <seto> well with luck this solves that small problem
• 1999[14:47:39] <seto> i figure non flavored deb should be a great deal smaller than say ubuntu or kubuntu
• 2000[14:48:16] <seto> and being that i got kubuntu down to sub 6gb install pretty easily getting reg old deb even smaller should be a cake walk
• 2001[14:48:26] <markybob> seto: hold on. are you meaning to install debian? or just use live?
• 2002[14:48:39] <seto> to use live then install from live
• 2003[14:48:58] <markybob> seto: live doesn't support install on uefi
• 2004[14:49:06] <seto> this isnt uefi
• 2005[14:49:11] <seto> its a chrome book :p
• 2006[14:49:14] <markybob> okay
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• 2008[14:49:37] <markybob> and by okay i mean whatever. i don't know what chromebook does
• 2009[14:49:39] <seto> yeh can be a pain in the butt in some ways in others its like click and go
• 2010[14:49:54] <seto> chrome books rock
• 2011[14:50:21] <seto> even beat up as this sucker is right now for my over tweaked install im sub 45 seconds from selecting reboot to being back at desk top
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• 2013[14:50:53] <seto> before i messed things up i was at 28 seconds flat lol
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• 2016[14:52:06] <seto> well gona let this download
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• 2018[14:52:25] <seto> so long as i got net at boot time vid sound etc i can fix after install
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• 2027[14:58:43] <usuariovirtual> I have a question, when using #sync, is it always needed when copying an iso to a whole-disk device
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• 2035[15:02:37] <Elirips> Hello. I'm looking for a json processor available in debian stable, usable from the command line to extract single values. Any hints?
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• 2038[15:02:52] <halcyforn> hello how to install clean debian without graphic etc, only basic console system
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• 2045[15:04:27] <han-solo> halcyforn: why?
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• 2050[15:05:37] <halcyforn> i must do some exercises, problem the virtualbox version what ui get have many errors i want install clean version to do this exercicse orginal system hve 300 mb.
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• 2052[15:05:53] <halcyforn> do you know how to install that version i know this is command line
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• 2054[15:07:36] <han-solo> No. but i know how to use it in console mode
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• 2056[15:08:51] <halcyforn> yes but i need clean system to get screnshotsw of install all this what i must do in exercises, and few things are instaled always thats why i want core system.
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• 2059[15:09:42] <markybob> halcyforn: what's your native tongue? might help
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• 2062[15:10:07] <halcyforn> polish
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• 2065[15:10:16] <markybob> !pl
• 2066[15:10:17] <dpkg> Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>.
• 2067[15:10:21] <markybob> try that
• 2068[15:10:35] <halcyforn> there help dont exist
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• 2071[15:11:20] <MaBunny> guys i want to restart a app
• 2072[15:11:35] <MaBunny> what is the command for it
• 2073[15:13:06] <han-solo> service <application> restart
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• 2075[15:13:36] <markybob> MaBunny: depends on what you mean. systemclt restart foo
• 2076[15:13:41] <han-solo> you have to be root
• 2077[15:13:48] <MaBunny> thnx
• 2078[15:14:07] <markybob> stop using service :P
• 2079[15:14:16] <han-solo> heh
• 2080[15:14:26] <han-solo> i usually use /etc/init.d/
• 2081[15:14:39] <markybob> stop that as well
• 2082[15:14:41] <han-solo> what do you use, systemctl?
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• 2084[15:14:51] <markybob> yes
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• 2087[15:15:05] <han-solo> And the difference is?
• 2088[15:15:22] <MaBunny> markybob tell your way pls
• 2089[15:15:47] <markybob> han-solo: the difference is that debian is moving to complete systemd integration and that's what the future holds. so get used to it.
• 2090[15:15:59] <han-solo> okay
• 2091[15:16:01] <markybob> MaBunny: i already did
• 2092[15:16:04] <han-solo> Thanks
• 2093[15:16:26] <MaBunny> systemctl??
• 2094[15:16:32] <markybob> yes
• 2095[15:16:36] <MaBunny> can you give a quick use specs
• 2096[15:16:37] <han-solo> yes
• 2097[15:16:46] <han-solo> he did ^
• 2098[15:16:48] <MaBunny> specification
• 2099[15:16:54] <halcyforn> is somwhere command line to debian instalator?
• 2100[15:16:55] <markybob> i did
• 2101[15:16:56] <MaBunny> i mean the command
• 2102[15:16:58] <han-solo> systemctl restart <app> for your spec
• 2103[15:16:58] <hid3> systemctl is not comfortable to use
• 2104[15:16:59] <MaBunny> pls
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• 2107[15:17:28] <markybob> MaBunny: if you cant read what we say or man whatever command...really?
• 2108[15:17:58] <MaBunny> haha...im impatient...my system has gotten slow..its been on for 22 hrs
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• 2110[15:19:38] <markybob> MaBunny: yeah. we get impatient with lazy people.
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• 2112[15:19:59] <MaBunny> ok markybob im manning ;d
• 2113[15:20:08] <MaBunny> :D
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• 2116[15:23:05] <Akuw> anybody here knows how to reset mysql root password?
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• 2118[15:23:23] <han-solo> re-install it
• 2119[15:23:59] <MaBunny> ok markybob if im to kill the process gnome-shell,should it be this ---> systemctl --user --kill-who=all gnome-shell
• 2120[15:24:08] <MaBunny> im just asking
• 2121[15:24:09] <han-solo> or perhaps you should ask in the #mysql channel
• 2122[15:25:04] <han-solo> use kill
• 2123[15:25:04] <han-solo> kill -signal pid
• 2124[15:25:04] <han-solo> or just use pkill, for your convenience
• 2125[15:25:04] <han-solo> pkill <process_name>
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• 2128[15:25:29] <MaBunny> no im interested in learning systemctl
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• 2130[15:25:53] <han-solo> wow?
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• 2132[15:26:31] <hypersona> try less enters and more periods :P
• 2133[15:26:52] <han-solo> sure :)
• 2134[15:27:00] <MaBunny> markybob??
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• 2137[15:28:17] <han-solo> I want to answer, but now i'm skeptical
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• 2139[15:28:24] <MaBunny> no no
• 2140[15:28:36] <MaBunny> here it says it should be used with kill
• 2141[15:28:54] <han-solo> yes
• 2142[15:28:59] <MaBunny> ok...but i dont kno the pid,just the proc name
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• 2144[15:29:23] <MaBunny> so should it be --pkill <app> or just pkill <app>
• 2145[15:29:27] <han-solo> use pkill <process_name>, i guess i already told that, before deb kicked me out
• 2146[15:29:35] <MaBunny> yeah
• 2147[15:29:55] <han-solo> to get pid, use ps aux | grep pattern
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• 2153[15:30:29] <MaBunny> ok
• 2154[15:30:30] <hypersona> kill -9 $(pgrep appname)
• 2155[15:30:44] <hypersona> -f for myscript.sh
• 2156[15:30:45] <han-solo> use signal -15 if possible
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• 2162[15:33:33] <azswa> hi, does anybody know from what versions of debian use grub legacy?
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• 2167[15:34:21] <MaBunny> srry got disconnected
• 2168[15:34:24] <MaBunny> also what does this do, --signal=SIGSTOP
• 2169[15:34:37] <azswa> found it, up to debian lenny
• 2170[15:34:41] <han-solo> signal to stop
• 2171[15:34:59] <MaBunny> ok....and SIGTERM???
• 2172[15:35:15] <han-solo> terminate
• 2173[15:35:18] <MaBunny> ok
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• 2178[15:36:23] <MaBunny> ok...i typed this ---> systemctl --user -f --kill-who=all --pkill gnome-shell
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• 2180[15:36:48] <MaBunny> and it said unrecognized option --pkill
• 2181[15:37:08] <han-solo> just use, kill or pkill(for the last time)
• 2182[15:37:34] <MaBunny> the option --kill-who says tht "when used with kill"....
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• 2184[15:37:41] <han-solo> it's a direct command, like every other
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• 2186[15:37:57] <MaBunny> han-solo...pls...forgive my foolishness
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• 2188[15:38:16] <MaBunny> ok
• 2189[15:38:24] <han-solo> I see you're from india
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• 2195[15:39:02] <MaBunny> so it should be something like this ---> pkill gnome-shell && systemctl --user -f --kill-who=all --pkill gnome-shell
• 2196[15:39:08] <MaBunny> yeah maybe
• 2197[15:39:22] <han-solo> just pkill woll be fine
• 2198[15:39:28] <MaBunny> besides the --pkill.... part
• 2199[15:39:40] <han-solo> 's/woll/will
• 2200[15:39:41] <han-solo> '
• 2201[15:39:46] <MaBunny> nooooo...me wanna learn systemctl :P
• 2202[15:39:55] <MaBunny> :D
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• 2205[15:40:40] <MaBunny> earlier i just killed gnome-shell in the system-monitor app
• 2206[15:40:50] <han-solo> you should read the manpages, really
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• 2208[15:41:06] <MaBunny> but now i dont use it so...sometimes it restarts when its overloaded
• 2209[15:41:15] <MaBunny> im readying the man pages now
• 2210[15:41:21] <han-solo> good
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• 2212[15:41:57] <han-solo> you could write a script to check if the system overload and kill some low priority process
• 2213[15:42:13] <han-solo> and put it in the crontab
• 2214[15:42:14] <MaBunny> how...i mean what should it be like
• 2215[15:42:29] <MaBunny> and what should it check for??
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• 2218[15:42:58] <han-solo> process which uses huge memory maybe,
• 2219[15:43:02] <han-solo> it depends
• 2220[15:43:27] <MaBunny> yeah...just restart proc which use huge resources??
• 2221[15:44:08] <han-solo> depends on your objective
• 2222[15:44:16] <MaBunny> ok
• 2223[15:44:33] <Patero-ng> I have a question, when using sync, is it always needed when copying an iso to a whole-disk device
• 2224[15:44:42] <MaBunny> ok i typed ---> systemctl --user -f --kill-who=gnome-shell
• 2225[15:45:01] <MaBunny> and it says this---> Failed to get D-Bus connection: Operation not permitted
• 2226[15:45:13] <MaBunny> does it require root??
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• 2229[15:45:40] <MaBunny> but i think im root now.,..it shows hash sign
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• 2231[15:46:00] <han-solo> yes, then you most likely be root
• 2232[15:46:09] <MaBunny> no im root
• 2233[15:46:21] <han-solo> pkill worked fine, no?
• 2234[15:46:23] <odish> no i'm root
• 2235[15:46:31] <han-solo> :)
• 2236[15:46:43] <MaBunny> i didnt used pkill
• 2237[15:46:58] <MaBunny> systemctl --user -f --kill-who=gnome-shell
• 2238[15:47:36] <han-solo> :/
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• 2240[15:48:16] <MaBunny> markybob any suggestions??
• 2241[15:48:31] <han-solo> Did you try, pkill gnome-shell, (this is likely to kill all gnome-shells, i guess)
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• 2244[15:48:50] <MaBunny> i might even try killall gnome-shell
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• 2246[15:49:04] <MaBunny> but then i wont learn a new command :P
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• 2251[15:50:59] <debguy> hi guys im trying to move my debian harddisk from a 2014 config to a 2011 is there a command i should run before doing this
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• 2255[15:52:08] <hypersona> MaBunny: youre not making any sense
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• 2257[15:52:38] <hypersona> MaBunny: since when gnome-shell is running as a systemd --user unit?
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• 2260[15:52:50] <MaBunny> idk!!!
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• 2262[15:53:19] <MaBunny> i tried this ---> Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1
• 2263[15:53:35] <MaBunny> systemctl --root -f --kill-who=gnome-shell
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• 2266[15:54:17] <MaBunny> ok
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• 2268[15:54:35] <MaBunny> i dont hav the time now...ill just use kill
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• 2271[15:55:07] <themill> if you keep trying random things for long enough, you'll eventually write all of the works of Shakespeare.
• 2272[15:55:14] <hypersona> :P
• 2273[15:55:44] <Pr0metheus> is it possible that my hard disk (ext4) is found to be ok using the extended SMART test but the filesystem is messed up (cannot ready anthing from the disk)?
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• 2291[15:59:51] <Akuw> i am installing mysql but installer stay in this Setting up mysql-community-server (5.7.12-1debian8) ...
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• 2300[16:02:02] <babilen> Akuw: Which distribution are you using?
• 2301[16:02:10] <Akuw> debian
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• 2303[16:02:23] <Akuw> jessie
• 2304[16:02:25] <babilen> Akuw: That package is not in Debian, you might want to ask whoever supplied it.
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• 2307[16:02:51] <Akuw> how can i install mysql 5.7 ?
• 2308[16:03:29] <babilen> It looks as if their maintainer scripts are broken or stall. You might want to look into top, figure out the process that is running and what its doing (strace). You'll find the maintainer scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info and you could fix them yourself.
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• 2310[16:04:24] <babilen> Akuw: That version of MySQL is not in Debian and you would, therefore, have to use packages from unuspported third-party repositories.
• 2311[16:04:38] <babilen> Also, you might want to consider using mariadb ;)
• 2312[16:04:51] <Patero-ng> is there a ftp client that comes with debian?
• 2313[16:05:07] <han-solo> ftp
• 2314[16:05:25] <babilen> Patero-ng: Plenty, but 'ftp' would be the basic one :)
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• 2357[16:22:15] <Akuw> getting problems to install mariadb replaced-url
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• 2363[16:25:18] <kang00> (Lope) Even after turning screen on they don't really respond right away. Have to DC RC wifi then it connects.
• 2364[16:25:29] <kang00> What is dc rc?
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• 2369[16:31:01] <Matumaros> Is there still nobody online who could help me making a wifi stick work?
• 2370[16:31:36] <mtn> Matumaros: what is the chip? and did you use the wiki to solve your problem?
• 2371[16:32:18] <Matumaros> mtn: I got help here last time, but since that I reinstalled my system and the same steps taken last time don't seem to work
• 2372[16:32:26] <mtn> Matumaros: what is the chip? and did you use the wiki to solve your problem?
• 2373[16:32:48] <Matumaros> It's a ISY N300 Mini Wireless Adapter
• 2374[16:33:03] <Matumaros> I did these two steps:
• 2375[16:33:04] <Matumaros> modprobe rtl8192cu
• 2376[16:33:08] <mtn> Matumaros: that is not the chip, so won't help. what chip does it use?
• 2377[16:33:12] <Matumaros> echo "050d 21f2" > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/rtl8192cu/new_id
• 2378[16:33:30] <Matumaros> Where do I find what chip it uses?
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• 2380[16:33:48] <mtn> Matumaros: either lspci or lsusb
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• 2383[16:34:37] <mtn> Matumaros: the wiki would have instructions to find the chip and take it from there, which is why I asked about the wiki
• 2384[16:34:46] <okee> Does anyone know if star is in the repos? I don't find it.
• 2385[16:35:01] <Matumaros> mtn: it's not listed in either
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• 2387[16:35:22] <Matumaros> Last time I searched on Google but couldn't find anything, then I went on here to get help
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• 2389[16:35:38] <mtn> Matumaros: ok, let's try this. install inxi. then run: inxi -Nn paste the results to dpaste.com and give us the link
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• 2392[16:36:18] <okee> star allows you to preserve extended file extensions when copying. It is similar to tar.
• 2393[16:36:20] <mtn> okee: replaced-url
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• 2395[16:36:27] <Matumaros> mtn: I have no internet connection, which is why I use this stick
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• 2397[16:36:53] <mtn> Matumaros: no lan? you won't be able to download anything if you need some new packages
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• 2399[16:37:35] <Matumaros> my LAN cable is damaged, it goes through the walls
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• 2401[16:37:43] <iron_houzi> I know about adding library paths to /etc/ld.so.conf.d , but how do I set the search order of the conf files?
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• 2403[16:37:51] <Matumaros> I will do a new one at some point
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• 2406[16:38:03] <mtn> Matumaros: if lsusb and lspci don't show the wifi, then it is not connected or not recognized by the kernel
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• 2411[16:39:02] <Matumaros> mtn: Alright, I'll see if I can find or borrow a long enough cable for the meantime
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• 2419[16:43:16] <kang00> "What kind of server are you turning your phone into?"
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• 2457[17:11:24] <Laurenceb__> hi, I have some weird problems
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• 2459[17:11:53] <Laurenceb__> /var/log/suspend.log: Read-only file system
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• 2461[17:11:59] <Laurenceb__> when I try to suspend
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• 2480[17:21:56] <han-solo> change the permission then
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• 2520[17:43:04] <Patero-ng> hi I have a linux distro on an image file that is not very trusted, it's from spain and I fear that my hardware may overheat and die if I do load it and I'm not kidding... is there anyway to safely test this img? will virtualbox on windows be safe for such test?
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• 2575[18:07:42] <at0m> Patero-ng: unless the distro runs cpuburn by default, little chance it will overheat anything. may run slow at worst.
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• 2633[18:30:25] <hiya> Is Iceweasel being discontinued?
• 2634[18:30:38] <hiya> Firefox and Iceweasel agreed over Trademark issues?
• 2635[18:30:46] <hiya> or copyright issues w/e were there?
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• 2648[18:33:36] <lesik> good question, I'm interested as well
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• 2650[18:35:04] <hiya> lesik, really?
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• 2661[18:37:33] <lesik> hiya, yes.
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• 2664[18:38:12] <jmcnaught> !firefox
• 2665[18:38:12] <dpkg> From 2006 to 2016, Mozilla Firefox was known as "Iceweasel" in Debian because Mozilla would not permit Debian to use the Firefox name. Firefox packages will shortly appear in both jessie and sid. For the latest versions, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>.
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• 2672[18:44:33] <lesik> that doesn't really explain much
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• 2674[18:45:07] <hiya> Do you recommend upgrading from iceweasel to release firefox using this mozilla.debian.net link?
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• 2677[18:46:45] <lesik> debian will probably continue to manually patch firefox. mozilla won't like that. how did debian agree with mozilla over using the firefox brand?
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• 2681[18:47:36] <jmcnaught> most of the disagreement was rendered moot now that mozilla does ESR releases of firefox, so Debian doesn't need to backport very much
• 2682[18:47:47] <Patero-ng> zinx: proper cooling well with stock voltages!
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• 2684[18:48:01] <jmcnaught> the mozilla.debian.net packages are handy if you need newer firefox, if you don't then just use what's in jessie
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• 2689[18:49:07] <Patero-ng> at0m: I'm saying if the distro comes with certain malicous code to break down hardware like increasing the voltages of the dif components of the motherboard
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• 2715[19:06:03] <Akuw> i have a problem with mysql packages
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• 2718[19:08:34] <Akuw> can't install mariadb
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• 2722[19:09:18] <jmcnaught> Akuw: what happens when you try?
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• 2724[19:10:02] <hesco> I have a partition for which `df -h` is reporting: '/dev/sda3 437G 417G 0 100% /'. My question is: How do I reclaim that 20gb as usable, so that logs get written and my server begins to function again, while I try to migrate some of this load about?
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• 2730[19:11:19] <Akuw> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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• 2733[19:12:33] <hesco> Akuw: care to show the output of: See 'systemctl status mysql.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details
• 2734[19:12:39] <teraflops> hesco: ext4?
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• 2736[19:12:43] <CutMeOwnThroat> hesco, that's probably the 5% reserved for root if this is ext4...
• 2737[19:13:08] <teraflops> hesco: that's extactly the 5% a CutMeOwnThroat says
• 2738[19:13:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> I'd just move/delete stuff
• 2739[19:13:13] <teraflops> as*
• 2740[19:13:41] <Akuw> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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• 2742[19:14:15] <hesco> teraflops, CutMeOwnThroat: you called it, both partitions there are ext4.
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• 2746[19:14:55] <teraflops> hesco: 437 x 5 / 100 ;)
• 2747[19:15:02] <jmcnaught> Akuw: perhaps you could use "-l" as suggested in your paste to get nontruncated messages?
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• 2749[19:15:59] <CutMeOwnThroat> if this is indeed the ext 5%... you can probably change it with tune2fs -m 1 or so
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• 2751[19:16:16] <Akuw> jmcnaught: replaced-url
• 2752[19:16:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> but I've never done that
• 2753[19:16:55] <hesco> CutMeOwnThroat: any known risks of messing with a running file system in that way? Can't afford any data loss over this.
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• 2759[19:17:59] <hesco> Akuw: do you have real data on this machine yet?
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• 2761[19:18:13] <Akuw> real data?
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• 2763[19:18:31] <hesco> if not I would be inclined to apt-get-remove --purge the maria installation and try again
• 2764[19:18:40] <hesco> was mysql ever installed here?
• 2765[19:18:44] <teraflops> hesco: is it worth the risk?
• 2766[19:18:57] <Akuw> yes
• 2767[19:19:19] <hesco> did mysql host real data for you?
• 2768[19:19:33] <Kirito> Is there a quick / temporary work-around for the letsencrypt package issues in backports currently? (python-acme : Breaks: python-letsencrypt (< 0.6.0) but 0.5.0-1~bpo8+1 is to be installed)
• 2769[19:19:38] <hesco> what does `du -sh /var/lib/mysql` return?
• 2770[19:19:50] <Kirito> Or do I have to wait for the maintainers to fix the current packages?
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• 2772[19:20:17] <Akuw> 172M /var/lib/mysql
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• 2774[19:21:06] <a2m> lol, just lol: replaced-url
• 2775[19:21:07] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2776[19:21:17] <hesco> Akuw: is there data you care about in that 172mb?
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• 2778[19:21:27] <desired_nick> static ip and port forwarding works from the internet .. but not from the LAN. this is how cisco router works ??
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• 2783[19:22:27] <hesco> if not use the `remove --purge` advised below and for good measure rm -rf /var/lib/mysql; then try your maria installation again.
• 2784[19:22:38] <jmcnaught> Kirito: you can report issues with backports to its mailing list: replaced-url
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• 2789[19:22:56] <hesco> if you care about that data, reinstall mysql, dump the data, purge the mysql installation, install maria and import the dumped data
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• 2795[19:24:34] <Akuw> is backed up
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• 2797[19:25:20] <desired_nick> static ip and port forwarding works from the internet .. but not from the LAN. this is how cisco router works ??
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• 2800[19:26:46] <teraflops> desired_nick: are you asking for cisco suport in #debian?
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• 2803[19:26:53] <Akuw> hesco: i made backup
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• 2805[19:27:32] <jmcnaught> Akuw: did you make the backup with mysqldump, or did you just back up the /var/lib/mysql files?
• 2806[19:27:52] <Akuw> tar file
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• 2808[19:28:31] <jmcnaught> Akuw: that doesn't answer my question
• 2809[19:28:47] <Akuw> i made a tar of that folder
• 2810[19:28:54] <jelly> dpkg, tell a2m about debian-next
• 2811[19:29:14] <jelly> dpkg, tell a2m about sid faq
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• 2814[19:29:30] <jmcnaught> Akuw: if you are trying to migrate from mysql to mariadb you're probably better off having mysqldump copies of each database
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• 2816[19:29:52] <Akuw> that database are not a problem
• 2817[19:30:00] <Akuw> i just need to install mariadb
• 2818[19:30:02] <jmcnaught> Akuw: especially since it seems to be failing for you. copies of /var/lib/mysql can be unreliable
• 2819[19:30:06] <Akuw> and fix install problem
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• 2825[19:31:30] <jmcnaught> Akuw: well has hesco was saying earlier, the problem mariadb is having is with the files that already exist in /var/lib/mysql. if you want to keep the databases, you probably need to reinstall mysql, make copies with mysqldump, then remove mysql, delete /var/lib/mysql, install mariadb, import the dumped databases
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• 2827[19:32:00] <desired_nick> teraflops: i am not asking support.. I am asking those who used cisco router if this is how cisco router works
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• 2866[19:45:52] <hesco> Akuw: do not depend on a file system backup of the database at /var/lib/mysql. Use the API provided by mysqldump and mysql clients to dump, then restore your databases, otherwise you risk data corruption. jmcnaught has outlined the process in this channel only a few moments ago.
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• 2883[19:52:25] <spacebug^> I'm using Debian 8.4 with encrypted LVM. I also want to setup encrypted swap. Any help with that? My /etc/fstab has en entry for swap with a name like /dev/mapper/hostname--vg-swap_1 should I use that in /etc/crypttab?
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• 2889[19:54:20] <jmcnaught> spacebug^: does that swap LV already exist, was it created by the installer? If the swap LV is on the same VG as your other volumes, you shouldn't need a separate entry in /etc/crypttab for it
• 2890[19:54:37] <Junka> is bsd-mailx enough to send emails?
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• 2893[19:55:00] <jelly> Junka: short answer, no
• 2894[19:55:09] <teraflops> Junka? o/
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• 2897[19:55:17] <Junka> teraflops: hi!! :D
• 2898[19:55:23] <teraflops> ;D
• 2899[19:55:27] <Junka> teraflops: how are you?
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• 2902[19:55:43] <teraflops> fine, and you?
• 2903[19:55:44] <spacebug^> jmcnaught : install made it for me. I guess that means my swap is on an encypted area of the disk, but I would also want the swap to be encrypted itself
• 2904[19:55:51] <jelly> spacebug^: did you encrypt your PV or your LV? Pastebin the current output of "lsblk"
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• 2907[19:56:06] <Junka> teraflops: very good thanks for asking
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• 2910[19:56:33] <spacebug^> jelly : I'm not inline with that computer right now
• 2911[19:56:37] <Junka> jelly: do you have a guide for it?
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• 2919[19:57:38] <teraflops> Junka: bsd-mailx is a wrapper that uses an existing smtp server
• 2920[19:57:38] <jelly> spacebug^: then it will be hard to help
• 2921[19:57:49] <jelly> s/smtp/MTA/
• 2922[19:57:50] <spacebug^> ok, to bad
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• 2925[19:58:22] <teraflops> so if you have a mta already setup youre fine
• 2926[19:58:34] <jelly> teraflops: that particular mailx does not speak smtp, only /usr/sbin/sendmail
• 2927[19:58:48] <teraflops> yeah sendmail
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• 2929[19:59:34] <Junka> teraflops: how to configure? sudo dpkg-reconfigure bsd-mailx does nothing
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• 2932[20:00:29] <teraflops> Junka: you want to use mail from console and send emails to the intertubes? if yes you need to setup a mta first
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• 2938[20:01:29] <Junka> teraflops: i want the system to send me some reports
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• 2940[20:01:56] <teraflops> ah locally?
• 2941[20:02:05] <Junka> yes sure
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• 2943[20:03:26] <teraflops> Junka: do you have exim installed?
• 2944[20:03:40] <Junka> teraflops: yes, bsd-mailx pulled it
• 2945[20:05:05] <jelly> Junka: if you do not need local delivery, consider replacing exim4 with a simpler mta like msmtp-mta
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• 2950[20:05:52] <jelly> then configure msmtp to send mail over your gmail or hotmail server or ISP's mail server
• 2951[20:06:02] <spacebug-> jelly: replaced-url
• 2952[20:06:17] <Junka> jelly: seems pretty straightforward, thanks!
• 2953[20:06:21] <Junka> teraflops: thank you too :D
• 2954[20:06:31] <teraflops> Junka: np mate
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• 2958[20:07:04] <jelly> spacebug-: so your PV is encrypted. That means all the LVs inside, so far that's your root filesystem and you swap are encrypted on disk.
• 2959[20:07:11] <jelly> spacebug-: nothing to do here
• 2960[20:08:00] <spacebug-> jelly: ecnrypted with same key for both / and swap?
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• 2962[20:08:05] <jelly> correct
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• 2965[20:09:01] <spacebug-> would it not be more secure to also encrypt swap agin with en entry in crypttab with a key from /dev/random or something?
• 2966[20:09:15] <jelly> why?
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• 2969[20:09:57] <spacebug-> my swap is not really hidden from processes now when the system is runnign is it?
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• 2972[20:10:32] <spacebug-> I'm kind of paranoid :D
• 2973[20:10:32] <jelly> swap is used by kernel, not processes on their own
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• 2978[20:11:42] <spacebug-> so there are no way a process could somehow read from the swappartition?
• 2979[20:11:45] <jelly> if you're root or member of disk group you can read block devices, including the block device use for swap
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• 2982[20:12:35] <spacebug-> so root could in theory read info on the swap partition?
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• 2984[20:13:13] <jelly> no, not in theory. root can do anything.
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• 2990[20:14:03] <spacebug-> hum. I would have thoughrt the system protected its memory from any process
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• 2992[20:14:13] <spacebug-> how can it be secure then?
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• 2995[20:14:54] <jelly> it can't be secure from root
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• 2997[20:15:15] <spacebug-> Hum. Ok
• 2998[20:15:28] <spacebug-> Thanks for the info
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• 3000[20:15:37] <jelly> which is why distros restrict root access
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• 3004[20:17:07] <spacebug-> So that might be why Apple has changed things in recent OS X so some things even admins can't change. (One can disable this in their bios or equal)
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• 3044[20:27:42] <Somelauw> Hi, is it likely that debian is goig to add a file manager to /etc/alternatives? At the moment I can't think of a portable way to open a file-explorer.
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• 3057[20:29:38] <Somelauw> some programs for Debian are hardcoded to open nautilus, which I don't have installed and which I don't want to install
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• 3061[20:29:56] <Somelauw> for example, Dropbox and that cheese do that
• 3062[20:30:27] <teraflops> I cannot believe that. But I think the sane way doing it is using xdg
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• 3064[20:30:36] <jelly> Somelauw: xdg-open /home/ ?
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• 3067[20:30:43] <teraflops> Of doing
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• 3069[20:31:04] <jelly> opened Thunar here on xfce
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• 3073[20:31:42] <peekaboo> hi how do i tell the kernel to load a fw file from /lib/firmware
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• 3075[20:32:01] <vlt> Hello. After every apt upgrade where initrd.img is involved (re-built) I have to run `CRYPTSETUP=y update-initramfs -u`. Otherwise there’d be no /sbin/cryptsetup binary in initramfs available and I’d be locked out. Any idea how to fix this?
• 3076[20:32:02] <Junka> teraflops: mail and mailx are diff?
• 3077[20:32:10] <teraflops> Somelauw: use xdg, gvfs, exo...the tool depends on your DE if any
• 3078[20:32:20] <jelly> peekaboo: you don't tell it directly, you unload the module that wants the firmware, and load it back (or reboot)
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• 3081[20:32:46] <jelly> vlt: which debian release?
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• 3083[20:33:05] <peekaboo> @jelly my network driver didnt come with debian livecd so i downloaded the fw and moved it to /lib/firmware, restarted and my wifi device is still not recognized :(
• 3084[20:33:08] <vlt> jelly: stable
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• 3086[20:33:20] <jelly> vlt: is your /etc/crypttab sane?
• 3087[20:33:28] <peekaboo> @jelly also its an installation off livecd not a livecd
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• 3094[20:34:00] <teraflops> Junka: I cannot check it right know. Look at those files with ls -la
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• 3097[20:34:14] <Somelauw> xdg-open . worked for me opening pcmanfm
• 3098[20:34:22] <jelly> peekaboo: can you show the dmesg line where the kernel fails to load the firmware?
• 3099[20:34:24] <vlt> jelly: It’s empty. I assume that’s the reason. What could I put there?
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• 3105[20:35:06] <teraflops> Somelauw: you can set the default application
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• 3107[20:35:47] <peekaboo> @jelly it should normally be red right?
• 3108[20:35:57] <jelly> vlt: definition of your underlying luks device path and its unencypted name, man 5 crypttab
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• 3110[20:36:48] <Somelauw> I'm okay with it opening anything the user can configure
• 3111[20:36:59] <peekaboo> @jelly replaced-url
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• 3113[20:37:16] <jim> which one should I get? the one from backports? Package: apt-cacher-ng on amd64 -- ... jessie: 0.8.0-3; ... jessie-backports: 0.9.1-1~bpo8+1 ...
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• 3117[20:37:32] <jelly> peekaboo: that's the wired ethernet
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• 3121[20:38:02] <peekaboo> @jelly :s pretty sure thats the wifi tho
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• 3123[20:38:16] <jelly> hmm, I may be wrong
• 3124[20:38:39] <peekaboo> @jelly like.. it's the only package deb installer warned me about
• 3125[20:38:48] <jelly> description: RealTek RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver
• 3126[20:39:01] <peekaboo> @jelly no my card is rtl8168e
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• 3128[20:39:06] <vlt> jelly: Ok, I put one line with a name and the UUID of the source device there. This file is _inside_ the cryptdevice so it’s never really useful. But maybe it’ll give a hint to update-initramfs to include cryptsetup ;-)
• 3129[20:39:08] <teraflops> Somelauw: take a look at replaced-url
• 3130[20:39:08] <jelly> peekaboo: pastebin the last 200-ish lines of dmesg
• 3131[20:39:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> is there a program that monitors wlang signal strength and translates that into a beep of various height, so one can twiddle the antenna and get audio feedback
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• 3133[20:39:33] <Laki> hello guys
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• 3135[20:39:57] <jelly> vlt: you need something like "name /dev/someplace none luks"
• 3136[20:40:04] <Akuw> i am getting this when installing phpmyadmin mysql: [ERROR] mysql: Empty value for 'port' specified
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• 3140[20:40:43] <jelly> vlt: but yeah the manual says UUID= is supported too
• 3141[20:40:55] <vlt> jelly: Ok, I’ll add "none luks". I’d rather not put a fixed /dev/someplace there because that might change. I’ll use UUID instead.
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• 3143[20:41:03] <peekaboo> replaced-url
• 3144[20:41:04] <vlt> jelly: Yeah, thank you!
• 3145[20:41:17] <jelly> vlt: /dev/disk/by-uuid/blargh works for me
• 3146[20:42:03] <jelly> peekaboo: now, [ 2.682370] rtl8192ce 0000:0d:00.0: firmware: failed to load rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin (-2) <-- that's wifi
• 3147[20:42:18] <peekaboo> @jelly but thats not my wifi card :s
• 3148[20:42:26] <peekaboo> mine is 8168e
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• 3150[20:42:49] <jelly> that's not what your kernel thinks is present.
• 3151[20:42:58] <Somelauw> teraflops: the thing with xdg-open is that I can't communicate the intent. Fortunately for filepaths, the intent to open it in a file browser is usually correct.
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• 3153[20:43:09] <jelly> !rtl8168e
• 3154[20:43:09] <dpkg> r8169 is a Linux kernel driver supporting the Realtek RTL8101, RTL8111/8168 and RTL8169 families of gigabit Ethernet chips. See also <rtl8168d>, <rtl8105e>, <rtl8402>, <rtl8411>. Not to be confused with the out-of-tree <r8168> driver.
• 3155[20:43:25] <teraflops> peekaboo: sorry for asking but, out of curiosity do you type the @ manually?
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• 3157[20:43:39] <peekaboo> @teraflops yeah im on qirc
• 3158[20:44:07] <teraflops> Is that a twitter thingy?
• 3159[20:44:30] <jelly> peekaboo: rtl8168e seems to be wired. Put rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin in the right place for the wifi driver. You need that subdirectory under /lib/firmware, so the full path should be /lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin
• 3160[20:44:36] <peekaboo> @teraflops nah its alerting in most most hippie messaging apps
• 3161[20:44:49] <peekaboo> thanks @jelly will give it a try
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• 3163[20:45:03] <peekaboo> @jelly can firmware drivers i download off the internet be malicious?
• 3164[20:45:04] <jelly> peekaboo: please avoid using @ on irc, just the nickname is fine
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• 3166[20:45:10] <teraflops> Twitter nightmare
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• 3168[20:45:29] <Junka> jelly: how is the subject of the email be determined?
• 3169[20:45:35] <jelly> peekaboo: anything downloaded off internet can be malicious. How LIKELY it is...
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• 3175[20:46:05] <peekaboo> @jelly but i mean the kernel runs this stuff without questioning right?
• 3176[20:46:05] <jelly> Junka: Subject: is one of the headers your mail client is supposed to generate
• 3177[20:46:15] <peekaboo> @jelly it gives it full privileges
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• 3179[20:46:26] <peekaboo> sorry for @
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• 3182[20:46:44] <jelly> peekaboo: worse, it gives it to the CPU in the wireless card to run.
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• 3187[20:47:30] <jelly> your wifi card, your ethernet card, your disk all have separate processing units of their own. Fun!
• 3188[20:47:52] <peekaboo> jelly but isn't this a vulnerability?
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• 3192[20:49:05] <jelly> peekaboo: no security system can save you from "root doing stupid things"
• 3193[20:49:09] <Junka> apt-history is not a thing anymore?
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• 3195[20:49:35] <vlt> jelly: No matter what I tried so far I always get "cryptsetup: WARNING: invalid line in /etc/crypttab for md1 -" from `update-initramfs -u` and the resulting initd.img file is ~1 MB smaller than the working one. I think I don’t even need to try to boot. The line is
• 3196[20:49:37] <vlt> pvcrypt /dev/disk/by-uuid/0a327e21-bcd2-45f9-b860-874c15aa5ce4 none luks
• 3197[20:49:43] <jelly> right
• 3198[20:50:18] <Somelauw> Junka: never heard of it, but /var/log should have history of all apt-commands
• 3199[20:50:24] <jelly> vlt: I don't see any md1 in there, is that path symlink to /dev/md1 ?
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• 3203[20:52:56] <vlt> jelly: Yes, it links to ../../md-1. But even if I replace the uuid part of /etc/crypttab by garbage it still complains about an error for md1. Weird.
• 3204[20:53:09] <vlt> *md1
• 3205[20:53:59] <jelly> vlt: what does file -s /dev/md1 say?
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• 3208[20:54:19] <vlt> jelly: /dev/md1: LUKS encrypted file, ver 1 [aes, cbc-essiv:sha256, sha1] UUID: 0a327e21-bcd2-45f9-b860-874c15aa5ce4
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• 3214[20:55:19] <jelly> vlt: show your lsblk output
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• 3221[20:58:06] <Laki> I need some help, I've got Xorg and video driver issues, I'm on a SiS card and setting vesa in xorg.conf works, but only at 1024x768 resolution - but I can't get the sis drivers to work
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• 3224[20:58:48] <Laki> here is my Xorg log after I tried setting sis replaced-url
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• 3226[20:59:19] <vlt> jelly: Can I pm it?
• 3227[20:59:54] <jelly> vlt: what's wrong with a pastebin
• 3228[21:00:10] <jelly> !paste
• 3229[21:00:10] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 3230[21:00:24] <vlt> jelly: Nothing. I just wanted to pm you the pastebin link :-D
• 3231[21:00:31] <jelly> paste it here.
• 3232[21:00:37] <vlt> replaced-url
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• 3235[21:01:55] <jelly> vlt: it's mildly amusing to see encrypted /dev/md1 below unencrypted /dev/mapper/md1
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• 3238[21:02:23] <jelly> vlt: I wonder which one the tools complain about
• 3239[21:03:55] <jelly> vlt: can you reboot and bring up the unencrypted device used as LVM PV with the new desired name, see if that changes things?
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• 3245[21:05:53] <salala> Hi
• 3246[21:05:58] <salala> is there a tool which manages address data in a xml file? i do not like the various gui tools and would like just have to have a good data structure and put it into my git....
• 3247[21:06:00] <jelly> vlt: while you're at it it might be a good idea to put the md array for /boot into /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, too, so it doesn't get the autogenerated md127 number
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• 3249[21:06:46] <[sr]> hi
• 3250[21:07:20] <[sr]> this is a bit generic, but does anyone knows the option in dhcp that makes the mobile deviced "popup" the browser windows to do sign in, in wifi hotspots?
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• 3254[21:08:21] <vlt> jelly: Yes, I’ll try that. I doubt, though, that putting something into /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf will affect the md names during boot because /etc is available only after decrypting md1 :-D
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• 3256[21:09:15] <jelly> vlt: copies of both mdadm.conf and crypttab are stashed into the generated initramfs image
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• 3259[21:11:43] <Junka> how can i set apt when it removes pkgs to also purges them?
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• 3263[21:12:30] <jelly> vlt: I'm... not quite sure how your system booted at all without a crypttab, I guess there's fallback code to detect and unlock ANY luks device
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• 3269[21:13:33] <jelly> Junka: you can't, that would break the package upgrade process
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• 3285[21:19:30] <vlt> jelly: I rebooted and renamed the crypt device to md1_open. Now I get the error "cryptsetup: WARNING: invalid line in /etc/crypttab for md1_open -"
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• 3290[21:21:38] <Patero-ng> hi when chrooting do I do it as root?
• 3291[21:21:39] <vlt> jelly: There’s an inherited "cryptopts" kernel command line option that – in earlier Debian versions – made initramfs run an askpass command that asked for the passphrase, vgchange -ay’d the LVM and continued booting.
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• 3293[21:21:48] <Patero-ng> when mounting with bind and stuff
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• 3295[21:22:41] <jelly> Patero-ng: chroot _only_ works as root, so yes
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• 3298[21:23:07] <vlt> jelly: Because /dev/disk/by-uuid doesn’t exist in Debian 8’s early initramfs stage it always drops to an (initrd) shell where I have to run cryptsetup manually. I want to resolve this as well but it’s a lower priority problem.
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• 3301[21:23:41] <vlt> jelly: Because I can’t run any cryptsetup when it’s not there :D
• 3302[21:24:09] <jelly> vlt: if it doesn't exist that's a bug; however if /dev/md1 is there you can just put that in crypttab
• 3303[21:24:14] <Patero-ng> jelly: I should have check to see if only sudo shows chroot me dumb
• 3304[21:24:19] <Junka> jelly: how are updates being tagged as security updates?
• 3305[21:24:35] <vlt> jelly: I know. I jsut don’t want because that might change.
• 3306[21:24:39] <vlt> *just
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• 3308[21:25:20] <vlt> jelly: And I think it had to go into grub.conf, not crypttab.
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• 3310[21:25:59] <tikun> what is the average/typical maximum throughput of the SFTP protocol? Currently I'm seeing a max of roughly 18-19Mbit, my connection is capable of 100Mbit, is there any way to improve the transfer speeds?
• 3311[21:26:19] <jelly> vlt: if you're using systemd, it's possible you might have to tinker with dependencies of luks and md to get them up in the right order, I think I've seen a related bug or two
• 3312[21:26:40] <Patero-ng> jelly: when using mount --bind for example, do I do it as root? mount works as user too
• 3313[21:27:33] <jelly> Patero-ng: I don't know what you're trying to achieve with it, but I suspect mount --bind with arbitrary source and dest. will not work as normal user
• 3314[21:27:41] <vlt> jelly: I don’t know whether I use systemd. It’s a debootstrapped Debian 8.
• 3315[21:27:51] <jelly> vlt: cat /proc/1/comm
• 3316[21:27:51] <vlt> Any idea where "cryptsetup: WARNING: invalid line in /etc/crypttab for md1_open -" might come from when running `update-initramfs -u`?
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• 3318[21:28:06] <Patero-ng> jelly: I'm trying to chroot into a pen drive from debian on a virtualbox in windows7
• 3319[21:28:08] <vlt> jelly: systemd
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• 3323[21:28:53] <vlt> Patero-ng: Is the usb drive visible in the virtualbox?
• 3324[21:29:10] <jelly> Junka: I don't know what you mean by that. Where do you see those tags, which command shows them?
• 3325[21:29:11] <ryouma> i have had endless initramfs problems with jessie of similar variety. hope next debian will be robust to configuration issues, mistakes, have good error messages, fewer bugs, etc. i know nothing about such things (don't even understand update-initramfs manpage), but i find it is useful to extract the initramfs that gets generated.
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• 3328[21:29:42] <vlt> ryouma: Is jessie Debian 8?
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• 3330[21:29:53] <jelly> !jessie
• 3331[21:29:53] <dpkg> Jessie is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25: replaced-url
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• 3333[21:30:04] <Patero-ng> vlt: yes I can
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• 3338[21:30:31] <vlt> Patero-ng: Then what step do you have problems with?
• 3339[21:30:36] <ryouma> i have also been only able to get back into jessie by selecting the sysvinit version of the kernel in grub, at times
• 3340[21:30:37] <silverfall> jessie sounds like the jessie from breaking bad
• 3341[21:30:41] <silverfall> woody/sid was much better
• 3342[21:30:51] <Junka> jelly: apt-cache policy, are security updates labeled as Debian-Security ?
• 3343[21:30:56] <jelly> Patero-ng: then yes, for a one-time setup you'll do most of that stuff as root
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• 3346[21:31:04] <markybob> ryouma: that doesn't ever make sense
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• 3348[21:31:31] <Patero-ng> vlt: I just want to know if one of the steps for the process of chrooting requires root privligees
• 3349[21:31:48] <ryouma> markybob: the default systemd kernel just hangs trying things over and over, while the sysvinit kernel in grub gives me a prompt that i can ^D to continue or whatever.
• 3350[21:31:51] <markybob> "sysvinit version of the kernel"...c'mon.
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• 3352[21:32:01] <vlt> Patero-ng: The chrooting requires them.
• 3353[21:32:17] <Patero-ng> k
• 3354[21:32:19] <Patero-ng> jelly: thanks
• 3355[21:32:22] <ryouma> markybob: there are 3 versions of the kernel that grub provides. don't be mean to people on irc. one says sysv one says rescue and one does not say anything.
• 3356[21:32:36] <ryouma> markybob: maybe your grub does not show them
• 3357[21:32:57] <jelly> Junka: apt-cache policy just tells you which repos are enabled and which package versions are available in which repo. All the uploads to security.debian.org are security related, but sometimes you may get security-patched versions even from main repo. Right after point updates, for example.
• 3358[21:33:12] <ryouma> just don't diss people. there's no point. the channel is for helping people.
• 3359[21:33:20] <markybob> ryouma: yeah. i'm the one trolling. we're not that stupid.
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• 3364[21:33:51] <Junka> jelly: exactly my point, how can I distinguish them?
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• 3366[21:34:07] <vlt> jelly: Any further ideas about that "invalid line" warning or do I just have to live with rebuilding initramfs every time with CRYPTSETUP=y env?
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• 3368[21:34:11] <Junka> jelly: the ones from the main repo
• 3369[21:34:24] <Junka> jelly: the ones from the security repo are obvious
• 3370[21:34:27] <jelly> markybob: they clearly meant the sysvinit menu option in grub, available when you have both installed
• 3371[21:34:48] <ryouma> jelly: yes
• 3372[21:34:49] <ryouma> plonk on markybob. jesus christ you don't have to be a dick.
• 3373[21:35:00] <ryouma> there are 3 options for the kernel the4re
• 3374[21:35:29] <ryouma> jelly: strangely, i didn't explicitly install sysvinit. but i am glad it was there
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• 3376[21:35:43] <jelly> markybob: you may think something doesn't make sense, but then ask for clarification, preferably in a more polite manner
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• 3380[21:37:25] <jelly> Junka: I don't know how to easily distinguish security fixes from other fixes also available in a point release, other than nothing security-related is visible in the changelog
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• 3382[21:37:47] <jelly> Junka: apt-listchanges is useful that way
• 3383[21:38:58] <Junka> jelly: yes the changelog should inform about CVEs right?
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• 3386[21:39:20] <silverfall> jelly: how can I contribute to Debian? ** "dpkg" has been added to the ignore list
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• 3388[21:39:28] <jelly> Junka: there probably is a way, seeing as "debsecan" can figure it and there's info about fixed and known security issues on security-tracker.debian.org; I just don't know how to get it easily
• 3389[21:39:52] <jelly> silverfall: first unignore dpkg bot :-)
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• 3393[21:40:55] <Patero-ng> question
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• 3396[21:41:37] <jelly> silverfall: then perhaps read /msg dpkg how-can-i-help
• 3397[21:41:54] <Patero-ng> I jusst chrooted into my debian8.1 on the usb pendrive but it outputs doing it for a i386 platform and my pc is amd64bit, is it i386 32bit? if so might the virtualbox hardware dection been wrong?
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• 3399[21:42:19] <Patero-ng> my question is was the installation normal
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• 3401[21:43:03] <jelly> Patero-ng: what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say inside the chroot
• 3402[21:43:09] <silverfall> jelly: yesterday I went through debian.org pages one after another for hours and ended up with no clue
• 3403[21:43:40] <silverfall> if I recall correctly I saw stuff like "xxx translation 130%", how can you translate more than there is to translate? pure nonsense
• 3404[21:43:45] <silverfall> I want to speak with a human
• 3405[21:43:48] <vlt> jelly: News: Something works better. I’ll reboot, check and report. Thanks so far.
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• 3407[21:43:54] <TomTomTosch> Patero-ng: how did you install the chroot environment? debootstrap? regular debian install? maybe you picked the wrong iso.
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• 3409[21:44:12] <Patero-ng> jelly: says amd64
• 3410[21:44:19] <Junka> jelly: ok thanks
• 3411[21:44:30] <Patero-ng> TomTomTosch: it's the 64bit 8.4
• 3412[21:44:30] <jelly> Patero-ng: that's a 64bit installation then
• 3413[21:44:50] <Patero-ng> jelly: k, I imaging grub is a 32bit app then
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• 3415[21:45:06] <jelly> grub is special.
• 3416[21:45:17] <Patero-ng> TomTomTosch: it's chrooted from a installed debian 8.4 on virtualbox
• 3417[21:45:43] <Patero-ng> anyway I'm gonna go test it now, crossing
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• 3425[21:48:56] <jelly> silverfall: afair, some parts of debian-installer are mandatory for translation, some are less used and optional
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• 3432[21:53:35] <jelly> silverfall: did you read replaced-url
• 3433[21:53:36] <seto> got a problem with my sound on debian 8 i have only hdmi listed as available this is my sound card from Audio device: Intel Corporation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series High Definition Audio Controller (rev 0e)
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• 3437[21:55:58] <TomTomTosch> seto: does cat /proc/asound/cards list PCH or only HDMI ?
• 3438[21:57:03] <seto> 0 [PCH ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
• 3439[21:57:03] <seto> HDA Intel PCH at 0xd0914000 irq 106
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• 3441[21:58:06] <seto> not sure why it is not working
• 3442[21:58:16] <seto> i had the issue on ubuntu before as well
• 3443[21:58:23] <seto> damned if i can recall how i fixxed it
• 3444[21:58:43] <seto> got the pavucontrol or what ever installed etc
• 3445[21:59:18] <TomTomTosch> where do you see hdmi listed as the only option?
• 3446[21:59:19] <Brigo> seto, you can try this: replaced-url
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• 3448[21:59:22] <jelly> seto: what does "aplay -l" say (put the whole output on paste.debian.net and link here)
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• 3450[22:00:01] <silverfall> jelly: and you point me to a website that again doesn't answer my question. replaced-url
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• 3453[22:01:14] <seto> replaced-url
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• 3455[22:01:59] <jelly> silverfall: no? If you want to help translating, it tells you to join your language's i18n / l10n mailing list
• 3456[22:02:17] <markybob> silverfall: a) it does. b) you might want to know you're talking to an op
• 3457[22:02:23] <jelly> silverfall: what do you want to do?
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• 3463[22:03:34] <jelly> silverfall: do you want to fix inconsistencies on the web? Subscribe to the debian-replaced-url
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• 3465[22:03:53] <jelly> silverfall: debian is very large, there are dozens of subprojects
• 3466[22:04:26] <silverfall> markybob: i'm not a pushover that will treat people differently depending on their rank inside a community, unlike you. Tip: if you truly believe in something, stand for it
• 3467[22:04:33] <jelly> silverfall: so, to start, pick a part you're interested in.
• 3468[22:04:43] <seto> so any ways what i see right off the rip with hat i droped in the paste bin is all pch listings are for hdmi
• 3469[22:04:52] <seto> nothing for head phone jack or internal speakers
• 3470[22:04:54] <silverfall> jelly: I got it. I remember entering replaced-url
• 3471[22:05:19] <silverfall> thank you for the human answer
• 3472[22:06:18] <jelly> silverfall: your stance does seem more argumentative than it need be, esp. if you want to help
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• 3476[22:07:48] <jelly> seto: that's weird. how old is this machine? Perhaps a newer kernel would help
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• 3479[22:09:13] <seto> its a chrome book
• 3480[22:09:16] <seto> not very old though
• 3481[22:09:31] <seto> as for newest kernel likely already there
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• 3483[22:09:37] <seto> fresh deb 8 jessie install
• 3484[22:09:42] <jelly> dpkg, tell seto about jessie-backports
• 3485[22:09:47] <jelly> dpkg, tell seto about bdo kernel
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• 3487[22:10:54] <seto> ill look more at that in a bit
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• 3490[22:11:56] <seto> may end up needing to go back to ubuntu :\
• 3491[22:11:58] <jelly> using a backposted kernel is probably the easiest way to get newer alsa drivers with support for weird new hardware
• 3492[22:12:01] <seto> really dont want to ither
• 3493[22:12:07] <jelly> backported* kernel
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• 3500[22:13:31] <seto> ok how to add backports repo ?
• 3501[22:13:42] <seto> standard apt add etc
• 3502[22:13:50] <markybob> seto: replaced-url
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• 3506[22:15:25] <seto> yep got it
• 3507[22:16:15] <jelly> PM messages from the bot should have everything you need, including the line for sources.list
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• 3509[22:17:14] <seto> this is confusing as hell the way dpkg is explaining it
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• 3511[22:17:47] <jelly> the recipes in dpkg are very terse to fit in irc 500-character lines
• 3512[22:18:09] <jelly> still better than twitter
• 3513[22:18:25] <seto> lol yeh ...
• 3514[22:18:31] <markybob> the webpage link does well :P
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• 3517[22:19:09] <jelly> still, the command «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`» has to be confusing for anyone
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• 3524[22:21:01] <seto> the << is not part of it i assume
• 3525[22:21:16] <markybob> it's not
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• 3540[22:25:24] <seto> how the heck do i edit source.list?
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• 3542[22:25:38] <markybob> sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list
• 3543[22:25:39] <seto> i can not open thunar as su or kate as su or any other damn editor
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• 3545[22:25:49] <seto> not on suders list it would seem
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• 3547[22:26:03] <seto> back to crapbuntu flavors i am starting to think
• 3548[22:26:06] <jelly> seto: sudoedit /etc/apt/sources.list
• 3549[22:26:07] <markybob> su - then do nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 3554[22:26:50] <jelly> but yeah, if you can't figure out how to edit files as root, maybe debian isn't for you, yet
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• 3557[22:27:12] <seto> what ever this is it is not the debian i have used for along time
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• 3560[22:27:32] <seto> on every ohter deb installi have used su kate opens kate as su
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• 3562[22:27:36] <jelly> editing sources.list has not changed in 20 years
• 3563[22:27:42] <seto> no crying about not being on suders list
• 3564[22:27:51] <aedinius> su kate opens kate as switch-user ?
• 3565[22:28:01] <seto> well sudo does
• 3566[22:28:03] <seto> rather
• 3567[22:28:11] <jelly> seto: I don't think so, debian's su or sudo never passed X11 authentication bits to the root shell
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• 3569[22:28:26] <markybob> sudo isn't even installed by default
• 3570[22:28:26] <seto> but when i type sudo any thing i get yelled at about not being on suduers
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• 3572[22:28:42] <aedinius> markybob: it is if you don't set a root password, and the first user is added to wheel
• 3573[22:28:45] <aedinius> or
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• 3575[22:28:57] <seto> any how right now i see deb lines and deb src lines
• 3576[22:28:57] <jelly> seto: then open a root shell with "su -" and use nano
• 3577[22:29:02] <seto> i assume both need put in
• 3578[22:29:02] <aedinius> sudo, wheel is the other distro
• 3579[22:29:20] <jelly> deal with sudo later if you want to have it
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• 3581[22:29:40] <jelly> seto: you do not need deb-src lines to just get binary packages
• 3582[22:30:28] <seto> LOL permision denied
• 3583[22:30:33] <seto> on write out
• 3584[22:30:48] <markybob> because you didn't su - as you were told
• 3585[22:30:48] <jelly> that usually means you were not running it as root
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• 3589[22:33:02] <seto> E: The value 'jessie-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
• 3590[22:33:04] <seto> ....
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• 3592[22:33:22] <jelly> you forgot to do an update
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• 3594[22:33:51] <seto> well i didnt i hit up arrow instead of enter ...
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• 3596[22:34:13] <seto> hence the ... right after
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• 3599[22:35:55] <silverfall> jelly: people just download PO files and submit them somewhere?
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• 3602[22:36:30] <silverfall> what if two people are editing the same PO file at the same time? that'd be a waste of time and effort
• 3603[22:36:41] <seto> there it goes yeesh
• 3604[22:36:57] <seto> well on this slow mo net this will take a bit lol
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• 3608[22:38:57] <jelly> silverfall: there's this thing called git
• 3609[22:39:26] <jelly> and the thing when you talk to people in your localization team
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• 3611[22:40:16] <jelly> silverfall: I don't have any idea about actual workflow there, you'll have to find it out yourself. What's your native language?
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• 3613[22:41:47] <silverfall> I subscribed to the mailing list and joined the IRC channel, despite that I don't think the po files are in a git repository?
• 3614[22:42:14] <silverfall> at least nothing like that is mentioned anywhere
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• 3619[22:44:13] <teraflops> svn then?
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• 3624[22:46:02] <silverfall> jelly: oh sorry, I thought you did know
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• 3649[22:54:01] <seto> well that did nothing but remove my nonfree headers for my wifi
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• 3651[22:54:07] <seto> eg no wifi at all
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• 3653[22:54:20] <seto> same problem as before
• 3654[22:55:01] <meh__> how can i use sh_make for create a source package ?
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• 3663[22:58:04] <seto> well this sucks
• 3664[22:58:16] <seto> i need to upgrade my kernel and keep my wifi
• 3665[22:58:29] <seto> cant seem to have it both ways
• 3666[22:59:03] <jelly> seto: you probably want to install firmware-realtek from jessie-backports as well
• 3667[22:59:17] <seto> for intel hardware?
• 3668[22:59:31] <jelly> oh, mixed you up wi th someone else
• 3669[22:59:37] <jelly> seto: whcih wifi?
• 3670[22:59:43] <seto> my card also lists byt-max98090
• 3671[22:59:46] <seto> also intel
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• 3673[22:59:56] <jelly> seto: pastebin your lspci -nn
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• 3675[23:01:05] <seto> replaced-url
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• 3678[23:01:32] <jelly> judd: pciid 8086:08b2
• 3679[23:01:33] <judd> [8086:08b2] is 'Wireless 7260' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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• 3682[23:01:55] <jelly> pfft, okay, that has to be iwlwifi
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• 3686[23:02:42] <jelly> seto: apt-get -t jessie-backports install firmware-iwlwifi or something
• 3687[23:03:04] <seto> well thats just it
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• 3689[23:03:08] <seto> cant
• 3690[23:03:16] <seto> under the other kernel no internet
• 3691[23:03:22] <seto> i have no lan on this thing
• 3692[23:03:31] <seto> so i cant apt get crap lol
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• 3694[23:03:46] <markybob> you can download it from the computer you're on and put it on a usb stick
• 3695[23:03:47] <jelly> seto: are you somehow unable to boot the old kernel, install stuff and boot back into the newer one?
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• 3697[23:03:56] <seto> im on the only comp i have
• 3698[23:04:10] <seto> yeh
• 3699[23:04:15] <jelly> why?
• 3700[23:04:19] <seto> but by all logic wifi should work
• 3701[23:04:29] <jelly> did you remove the default kernel?
• 3702[23:04:35] <seto> no
• 3703[23:04:37] <seto> im on it now
• 3704[23:04:44] <seto> 3.16 or what ever
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• 3706[23:05:02] <markybob> so...why can't you apt-get it?
• 3707[23:05:05] <jelly> seto: so install newer firmware now
• 3708[23:05:15] * jelly blinks
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• 3710[23:05:57] <seto> wifi is already newest version
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• 3714[23:06:48] <jelly> seto: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi"
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• 3717[23:07:02] <silverfall> jelly: why are the instructions to translate in chinese? replaced-url
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• 3719[23:07:14] <N3X15> One more HexChat restart, apologies for the reconnect spam and amsg.
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• 3721[23:07:36] <teraflops> no worries i have smart filter :P
• 3722[23:07:44] <seto> replaced-url
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• 3724[23:07:47] <TomTomTosch> silverfall: here you go replaced-url
• 3725[23:07:48] <jelly> silverfall: I have no idea, ask your localization team
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• 3729[23:09:34] <jelly> seto: ah, your sources.list will need updating.
• 3730[23:09:39] <jelly> !non-free sources
• 3731[23:09:39] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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• 3733[23:09:42] <jelly> seto: ^^
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• 3735[23:10:21] <jelly> seto: apply that change to all the deb repo lines on debian.org
• 3736[23:11:21] <silverfall> TomTomTosch: I was expecting a nice UI with socket based real time updates on what is being translated, turns out I have to download template files, rename them, edit headers, manually contact other translators, file bug reports.. etc
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• 3740[23:12:16] <TomTomTosch> well... doing work sounds like work.
• 3741[23:13:25] <TomTomTosch> but you can implement that feature. maybe people will find it useful.
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• 3747[23:15:00] <seto> yep done updating cache etc now
• 3748[23:15:08] <silverfall> 90% percent of that work could be automatized, that's what surprised me
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• 3756[23:17:02] <jelly> silverfall: I'm pretty sure help with automation and implementing a more modern workflow will be appreciated
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• 3788[23:27:34] <err401> I am trying to mount a drive, but receiving a conflict replaced-url
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• 3799[23:30:21] <seto> still just have hdmi in devices for sound
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• 3801[23:31:28] <jelly> seto: on 4.5, in "aplay -l" output? Then you're out of luck
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• 3804[23:32:13] <seto> no change what so ever
• 3805[23:32:18] <seto> exact same as before
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• 3807[23:32:43] <jelly> ask in #alsa and/or file a bug report for the kernel package
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• 3809[23:33:06] <seto> not even going to bother with this for bug reports
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• 3811[23:33:17] <seto> done seen the 100s of listings for it already
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• 3813[23:33:59] <jelly> for that particular chromebook model?
• 3814[23:33:59] <seto> now my moronic touch pad wont disable
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• 3817[23:34:26] <seto> pretty much on all of them
• 3818[23:34:30] <seto> theres a dozen of them listed
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• 3820[23:34:44] <seto> pretty much any thing that uses my hardware has this
• 3821[23:34:48] <gespertino> Hi.
• 3822[23:34:59] <jelly> seto: maybe you bought wrong hardware to run linux on
• 3823[23:35:00] <seto> entire freaking day wasted
• 3824[23:35:00] <gespertino> Is this the right channel for debian testing questions?
• 3825[23:35:05] <silverfall> jelly: some mailing lists are dead with no explanation whatsoever and the work-methodology is unreliable (no offense, I can explain it to you if you wish) so if this is happening with translations I couldn't imagine the blood and tears that would take just to be listened about implementing a more modern workflow
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• 3827[23:35:07] <jelly> !debian-next
• 3828[23:35:07] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 3829[23:35:11] <jelly> gespertino: ^^
• 3830[23:35:21] <seto> ubuntu kubuntu mubuntu mint all work
• 3831[23:35:39] <jelly> seto: so use one of those
• 3832[23:35:45] <seto> no reason why pure deb should not
• 3833[23:35:53] <gespertino> Ahh, a different IRC server. Goctha, thanks jelly
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• 3839[23:36:43] <jelly> seto: no reason except someone has to investigate what ubuntu's kernel people have done to make it work and replicate the fix, and some use to file a bug report and confirm whether the fix works
• 3840[23:36:58] <jelly> seto: shit doesn't get fixed on its own
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• 3843[23:37:58] <jelly> (sometimes it seems like it does, IF the fix is accepted upstream. That's why you tried the newer kernel)
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• 3846[23:39:51] <seto> ive tried pusle and alsa and all sorts of crap
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• 3849[23:40:33] <jelly> pulse is not relevant until you can get alsa to recognize how your hardware is connected
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• 3857[23:42:59] <jelly> seto: I'd file an installation report bug and note what worked and what didn't, even with jessie-backports kernel
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• 3860[23:43:34] <jelly> ,i installation-report
• 3861[23:43:35] <judd> Package installation-report (misc, optional) in jessie/amd64: system installation report. Version: 2.58; Size: 18.5k; Installed: 74k
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• 3867[23:45:21] <seto> well maybe a bit later on
• 3868[23:45:30] <seto> heres a funny foul up for ya though
• 3869[23:45:47] <seto> i went to burn a mint iso to usb using unetboot or what ever
• 3870[23:45:59] <seto> and miss clicked on to my main ssd for my chrome book
• 3871[23:46:03] <seto> the funny bit is
• 3872[23:46:16] <seto> i had a live boot fully running from my ssd lol
• 3873[23:46:32] <seto> pretty damn speedy to
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• 3875[23:47:02] <seto> for now i guess back to kbuntu 16.04
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• 3878[23:48:49] <jonaskoelker> Hi all. I dislike the description of Skype shown by e.g. vrms. If I edit /var/lib/dpkg/status to get rid of it, What Could Possibly Go Wrong(TM)?
• 3879[23:49:29] <tikund> what is better when setting up a software raid for the OS install, creating multiple raid arrays by creating identical partitions on both drive then creating a raid array for each partition or creating a raid array of empty partitions of each drive then letting the installer create partitions on then created raid array which is a single section of 'free space' to be partitioned
• 3880[23:49:33] <jonaskoelker> (and for another example, apt-cache show displays the same text)
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• 3883[23:50:44] <jonaskoelker> My plan is: make a copy of status; make my edit; diff the new version against the old. I'm the only person with root access to the machine. The worst case scenario I can think of is some cron (or other background) job.
• 3884[23:51:10] <jonaskoelker> Is fiddling with /var/lib/dpkg/status a common practice of cron jobs? I would like to strace future programs to find out, but the "future" part is in the way?
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• 3886[23:51:25] <jonaskoelker> s/?$// typo :-(
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• 3896[23:54:52] <jelly> jonaskoelker: vrms does not lie!
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• 3898[23:55:05] <jonaskoelker> jelly: of course he doesn't :D
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• 3905[23:56:05] <jonaskoelker> it says "skype [...] Wherever you are, wherever they are". I would like to change the marketing slogan, not the fact that it's listed under non-free
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• 3908[23:56:58] <jelly> jonaskoelker: in general, nothing ought to touch dpkg status file but package management tools themselves. However seeing it's just a text file, you can do edits like that if you're careful.
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• 3910[23:57:49] <jonaskoelker> also, I'm a very silly person: I strace'd apt-cache show to find out that /var/lib/dpkg/status was the go-to place, instead of just strace'ing vrms
• 3911[23:57:56] <jonaskoelker> <-- not a very technical person :D
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• 3914[23:58:19] <jonaskoelker> cool. If it goes wrong I blame you :p
• 3915[23:58:22] <jelly> jonaskoelker: you can also grab the skype-debian.deb you installed, unpack it someplace with dpkg -x skype.deb somedir/; dpkg -e skype.deb somedir/DEBIAN, then edit somedir/DEBIAN/control, then repack it back with dpkg -b somedir .
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• 3917[23:58:49] <jelly> then installed the freshly munged .deb
• 3918[23:58:52] <jelly> install*
• 3919[23:59:20] <jonaskoelker> yeah, I figured as much, but that sounded like a ton of headache
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• 3921[23:59:36] <jelly> a broken status file is a lot more headache
• 3922[23:59:42] <jonaskoelker> true :D
• 3923[23:59:51] <jonaskoelker> but that's what backups are for
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