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• 8[00:03:49] <awal1> annadane replaced-url
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• 10[00:04:03] <awal1> there may be a deb bug also
• 11[00:05:42] <awal1> may be #765045
• 12[00:05:45] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 13[00:05:52] <annadane> proposed answers in that thread are "does your desktop environment have polkit" and "add yourself to the libvirt group"
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• 18[00:08:06] <awal1> annadane, obviously you have to add yourself to libvirt group yeah
• 19[00:08:20] <awal1> adduser annadane libvuirt
• 20[00:09:37] <awal1> I mean: installing libvirt & accessories one have to add himself to libvirt group automatically
• 21[00:10:08] <annadane> well, doing that got rid of the warning
• 22[00:10:30] <annadane> s/warning/error/"screw you you can't do that"
• 23[00:10:57] <awal1> what?
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• 25[00:11:06] <annadane> never mind, being silly
• 26[00:11:09] <annadane> thanks for help
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• 30[00:11:36] <awal1> virtualbox does stuff automatically
• 31[00:11:56] <awal1> not sure why not libvirt and company
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• 37[00:15:00] <awal1> annadane, for your info: you may want 'spice-vdagent' pkg for have a better experience with your emulation software
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• 39[00:15:29] <awal1> in my opinion, that pkg should be in recommends, or at least in suggests
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• 52[00:21:59] <SpeakerToMeat> Hello
• 53[00:22:34] <annadane> virt-manager is probably more barebones and doesn't make assumptions
• 54[00:22:39] <annadane> compared to vbox
• 55[00:22:40] <SpeakerToMeat> For a package with .patch files (not dpatch, right?) is there any tool similar to dpatch-edit-patch or to "convert" the package to dpatch?
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• 58[00:24:36] <awal1> i just use unstable, and for that branch I found vbox more stable than qemu-kvm
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• 61[00:25:11] <awal1> i used qmu-kvm under wheezy and it was so solid, a great experience
• 62[00:25:55] <awal1> i choosed vbox also bcoz of guest-x11 (full screen mode for guest ...)
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• 66[00:26:53] <awal1> software is out there and "free"; one uses what suites his needs; that is my opinion
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• 71[00:34:35] <pingouin> hello
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• 77[00:38:52] <pingouin> i've just changed my screen, for a bigger one, full HD 1920x1080, 27". Some menus fonts (on top of the app, file, tools, view or dialog box etc..) are horribles (LibreOffice, Qjackctl, dialog box for Chromium...) and to small barely readable. And some others fonts in other applications are perfect (Xterm, irssi, Firefox, Blender...) how can i control that and where ?
• 78[00:40:14] <awal1> pingouin, which fonts are you using?
• 79[00:40:23] <awal1> and which DE/WM?
• 80[00:41:01] <somiaj> It also might be a matter of what widget set is being used.
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• 85[00:44:00] <pingouin> awal1: sorry, I3wm
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• 87[00:45:00] <pingouin> and i do not use font specialy, it's only the font in the menu, you know on top of some apps, like : file tools help
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• 92[00:47:28] <somiaj> pingouin: is it just libreoffice that is having problems, you can install libreoffice-gtk or something like tha to get another widget set.
• 93[00:47:46] <somiaj> You should also check the dpi setting (though this shoudl be fixed at 96 on newer systems) and different ui scale factors for fonts.
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• 98[00:49:22] <annadane> huh, interesting. i went ahead and installed libreoffice-gtk and it complied with the dark theme i have on xfce
• 99[00:49:31] <annadane> i didn't know you could do that but it makes sense
• 100[00:49:58] <somiaj> it would ues the gtk widget set, which would use the theme you have ste for gtk2 (I think it is gtk2 and not gtk3)
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• 102[00:50:26] <somiaj> If you change your gtk theme it should change the window to match
• 103[00:50:30] <annadane> well it certainly looks nicer now in any event :-)
• 104[00:50:31] <pingouin> if i somiaj : indeed i've tried xrandr --dpi 96 and it's work, font in some menus like i've said are no more tiny, but i'm not sure my display is 96 dpi, X set it at resolution: 54x54 dots per inch
• 105[00:51:14] <somiaj> It use to be you could change the font dpi to get bigger fonts all around, but some change a few years ago seemed to want to stick the font dpi at 96, and then use a scaling factor.
• 106[00:51:30] <somiaj> I haven't had issues in a while, but there might be a way to force the scaling factor for all xft fonts.
• 107[00:51:54] <pingouin> but it only some menu font that are affected by this, so instead of changing DPI, i would have prefered changed the default font size that is used by Debian in these menus...
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• 109[00:52:39] <pingouin> an xdpyinfo give me : resolution: 54x54 dots per inch
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• 111[00:53:12] <pingouin> and i do not find any information on DPI for this display device
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• 114[00:53:32] <somiaj> there is the old Xft.dpi setting in xresources that could change the dpi, but I don't think this is honored any more, but it is what I keep getting in google (probabaly outdated though)
• 115[00:54:06] <somiaj> ahh looks like xrand has a scale, one second
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• 117[00:54:34] <somiaj> ahh, no I don't tink you want the xrandr --scale option
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• 122[00:57:05] <somiaj> yea, I'm not getting any good hits, and unsure what the best way to deal with this since xorg is now fixed at 96dpi (or should be)
• 123[00:57:21] <somiaj> Might be you have to configure each widget set you are using, such as gtk, your window mangaer, qt, etc for this.
• 124[00:57:56] <pingouin> how to set gtk ? or qt ?
• 125[00:58:02] <pingouin> this is what i'm looking for
• 126[00:58:23] <somiaj> there is a GTK_SCALE_FACTOR or something enviroment variable you can use for this
• 127[00:58:26] <pingouin> as i guess, LibreOffice Qjacktcl or Qcad have , QT behind them ?
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• 130[00:59:14] <somiaj> yea looks like there is a GDK_SCALE and a GDK_DPI_SCALE
• 131[00:59:27] <pingouin> and by the way, stupid question, if xorg is now fixed at 96dpi...why xdpyinfo give me : resolution: 54x54 dots per inch
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• 134[01:00:22] <somiaj> pingouin: there are various dpi settings, I'm talking about the font dpi setting
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• 136[01:00:34] <somiaj> but I'm checking out xdpyinfo, where are you seeing that resolutino
• 137[01:00:42] <somiaj> resolution: 96x96 dots per inch -- is what I have
• 138[01:00:57] <somiaj> wonder if xorg is not detecting things correctly or you have some old setting overriding the dpi.
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• 140[01:01:17] <n3ss> running debian buster w/ gnome; running into an issue where the all applications close when the monitor is off (assuming this is an issue or a new feature) - anyone have any ideas?
• 141[01:01:17] <awal1> pingouin, just for your info: for set theme, fonts... I perso. use 'lxappearance'
• 142[01:01:25] <somiaj> I think it was wheezy or jessie I recall not being able to change the dpi any more and having to stick with 96
• 143[01:01:55] <pingouin> cat /etc/debian_version 9.1
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• 145[01:02:38] <awal1> not sure why "fc-match" returns "DejaVuSans.ttf: "DejaVu Sans" "Book"" if I am using 'Roboto' family fonts under for my openbox
• 146[01:02:54] <awal1> what happens here exactly?
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• 148[01:03:36] <n3ss> happens if i switch to another monitor source, unplug, or even when the screen locks(when i'm afk and it locks automatically)
• 149[01:03:38] <pingouin> awal1: thank you for the advice, will it work for me you think ? i'm not running KDE or Gnome
• 150[01:04:40] <awal1> pingou, check description
• 151[01:05:06] <awal1> it is an lxde pkg originally but it is DE/WM independent, pingouin
• 152[01:05:27] <pingouin> somiaj: where are stored this VAR you talked about previously ? GTK_SCALE_FACTOR GDK_SCALE and a GDK_DPI_SCALE
• 153[01:05:37] <pingouin> awal1: ok, clear
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• 164[01:12:30] <boggy> i still get this bug (cannot login if shadow passwords disabled during install), should i report this? - replaced-url
• 165[01:12:31] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 170[01:15:10] <boggy> i think if it is not possible to have non shadowed passwords the installer option for it should be removed
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• 175[01:22:25] <annadane> pingouin, we're on 9.3, consider updating
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• 178[01:27:33] <pingouin> annadane: did not read the changelog yet...so...if it's working..
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• 182[01:28:13] <annadane> there should be at least one kernel upgrade in there so an apt dist-upgrade will be necessary
• 183[01:28:23] <annadane> due to all the meltdown stuff
• 184[01:28:33] <pingouin> build my own kernel
• 185[01:30:04] <SpeakerToMeat> .... so... I grab package source, use quilt to create a new patch and edit a few files, I up the partchver with dch -n and I make a package. then I install it via dpkg on a machine, if a newer one (two extra patchvewrs over original) is put on the repo, will it upgrade/overwrite my own?
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• 191[01:39:16] <SpeakerToMeat> Oooohhh I need to hold it.
• 192[01:39:26] <pingouin> thank you for your time and help ! need to restart X to see any changes. Have a good one #debian
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• 204[01:51:37] <somiaj> SpeakerToMeat: you should also update the change log and put a special version on your package. You can set up the version in various ways to make yours always greater (use an ephoc) or only make it slightly greater.
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• 210[01:53:27] <SpeakerToMeat> somiaj: I did, with dch, but I'll use apt-mark hold
• 211[01:53:41] <SpeakerToMeat> rather than set a gigantic version
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• 213[01:54:34] <somiaj> in debian stable version shouldn't be changing that much that you don't need a giganic version. Though there are various ways to go about this
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• 216[01:56:48] <machinehum> Does anyone have issues booting Debian 9 w/ AMD RX570? Just got a new GPU, wont get to gnome
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• 223[01:59:31] <SpeakerToMeat> somiaj: I might combine both
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• 252[02:16:45] <machinehum> Internet cut out, Just booted into my old Debian8 and seems to be working find on the RX570. When booting into Stretch I get the 'Oh no! Something has gone wrong...' screen. Found this thread replaced-url
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• 258[02:18:47] <machinehum> Is there anything else I should do... 'polaris10_k_smc.bin' + everything else in amdgpu folder from replaced-url
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• 374[03:37:10] <simbalion> How can I set the timezone or tzdata non-interactively?
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• 376[03:37:55] <simbalion> nvm I found an ansible module that does it :D
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• 418[04:10:19] <Epakai> when i dd to a flash drive it finishes way too fast and nothing seems to be written. nothing logged to dmesg. i tried 3 different drives. I tried rmmod/modprobe all usb modules. what can i do besides reboot?
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• 421[04:10:57] <awal1> Epakai, dd what?
• 422[04:11:03] <themill> are you sure you have the right device name?
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• 425[04:11:44] <Epakai> debian iso, openbsd install image. the device name matches what udiskie displays when i plug in the device
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• 429[04:12:16] <themill> Checking with ls or in dmesg would be better
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• 432[04:13:06] <themill> Everything you say is consistent with having the wrong device name -- what exact command did you give?
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• 435[04:13:45] <simbalion> hrm this ansible method is not working
• 436[04:13:56] <simbalion> can someone tell me how to set tzdata non-interactively?
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• 439[04:15:14] <simbalion> I can't believe there isn't a simple command I can run like 'tzdata "America/New_York"'
• 440[04:15:39] <Epakai> themill: dmesg and dd command: replaced-url
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• 444[04:16:36] <Epakai> it did work a few times prior to this, but now all my writes do nothing
• 445[04:17:43] <themill> Epakai: what does "ls -l /dev/sdb" say? does running 'sync' do anything?
• 446[04:18:06] <themill> simbalion: you can set /etc/localtime symlink and /etc/timezone text manually
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• 450[04:18:37] <themill> simbalion: or remove those two files and then use dpkg-reconfigure tzdata with your preseeded information
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• 452[04:18:56] <simbalion> honestly there should just be a command
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• 455[04:19:06] <simbalion> There used to be
• 456[04:19:09] <simbalion> back in the 1990s
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• 458[04:19:39] <themill> istr tzconfig used to be a great source of bugs and duplicated a pile of code from elsewhere
• 459[04:19:53] <simbalion> I guess it just isn't a priority
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• 461[04:20:30] <simbalion> Ah the timezone module in ansible does seem to work
• 462[04:20:51] <simbalion> I tried editing cat/timezone then doing dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive tzdata, which did not work
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• 464[04:21:03] <simbalion> it would just overwrite /cat/timezone
• 465[04:21:14] <Epakai> themill: i see it now i think, /dev/sdb looks like a normal file. maybe i wrote to it without the device existing
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• 467[04:21:42] <themill> Epakai: yeah
• 468[04:22:39] <themill> simbalion: I completely understand where you're coming from on this though. It should be easier. Theoretically #704089 already does this but I don't know why it doesn't any more
• 469[04:22:40] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 472[04:23:38] <themill> simbalion: btw "timedatectl set-timezone $mytimezone" may do everything you need
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• 476[04:25:07] <simbalion> well, for my purposes ansible will suffice
• 477[04:25:16] <simbalion> I was only looking for a command to run through ansible anyway
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• 479[04:25:35] <themill> you can run timedatectl from ansible; I don't know if that gets both files correct though
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• 506[04:56:25] <password8> ok this is uber weird
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• 508[04:56:45] <password8> my xorg fixed it self when my pc woke up from suspend
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• 589[05:52:58] <awal1> echo "URxvt.perl-ext-common: default,tabbed" >> .Xresources
• 590[05:53:29] <awal1> sorry
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• 600[05:58:59] <password8> how do i adjust my display such that its not outside the borders of my monitor?
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• 606[06:04:20] <awal1> man xrandr
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• 617[06:08:49] <awal1> passwoed8 what you get running in terminal "xrandr"?
• 618[06:08:55] <awal1> password8,
• 619[06:09:10] <awal1> paste.debian.net
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• 623[06:11:23] <password8> replaced-url
• 624[06:11:32] <password8> sorry awal1 i have to go for a run now
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• 663[06:51:47] <Profound> Hi all. Anyone aware of a driver issue for r8169 on Debian 9, resulting in huge packet loss?
• 664[06:52:04] <Profound> Seeing 80% packet loss on local LAN, tried diff switch ports, new cables etc.
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• 667[06:53:13] <Profound> driver: r8169
• 668[06:53:15] <Profound> version: 2.3LK-NAPI
• 669[06:53:18] <Profound> firmware-version: rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw
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• 672[06:56:40] <Profound> hmm, this looks relevant. replaced-url
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• 720[08:10:56] <sehran> can anybody here also in kali linux
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• 722[08:12:44] <mnuhmnuh> this is #debian, not kali
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• 730[08:18:40] <mnuhmnuh> Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net
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• 761[08:42:22] <holyhit> hi
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• 774[08:55:29] <_rubik> I see in quite a few places services or scripts that have a 00 or 50 or some double digit prefix. What naming convention is this?
• 775[08:56:16] <_rubik> I get the sense it's to order scripts so they can be enumerated and run in a correct order.
• 776[08:56:23] <alkisg> Exactly
• 777[08:56:38] <alkisg> man run-parts, will give you more info
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• 781[08:57:19] <_rubik> Ah. Perfect. It's hard to google something when you don't know what you're after. Thanks!
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• 839[09:41:57] <shtrb|laptop> ,v gdrive
• 840[09:41:58] <judd> No package named 'gdrive' was found in amd64.
• 841[09:42:15] <shtrb|laptop> /msg judd google drive
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• 846[09:46:49] <shtrb|laptop> ,v grive
• 847[09:46:52] <judd> No package named 'grive' was found in amd64.
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• 853[09:49:58] <jim> ,find bin/gdrive*
• 854[09:50:01] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
• 855[09:50:51] <jim> what's the packagename for the basic qt lib (runtime)?
• 856[09:51:15] <shtrb|laptop> thanks , found a bug report that gdrive had been removed (and seaching for a replacement)
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• 862[09:57:43] <jim> welcome, sorry you didn't find it
• 863[09:58:08] <jim> found the qt lib :)
• 864[09:58:22] <jim> ,v vamp-plugin-sdk
• 865[09:58:23] <judd> Package: vamp-plugin-sdk on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.1-1; wheezy-multimedia: 2.4-dmo1; jessie: 2.5+repack0-2; stretch: 2.6~repack0-3; buster: 2.7.1~repack0-1; sid: 2.7.1~repack0-1; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.5-dmo6; stretch-multimedia: 1:2.7.1-dmo1; buster-multimedia: 1:2.7.1-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 1:2.7.1-dmo2
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• 870[10:06:05] <shtrb|laptop> Any GSM modem users around ?
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• 872[10:06:52] <shtrb|laptop> - or maybe some who a clue what other than modemmanger I should get to work with Huawei GSM stick modems ? It is identified by the kernel , minicom show AT access, but modemmanger / network manger does not allow me access - (getting error "modem state 'failed'" in /var/log/syslog) , When I try to connect to it using modemmanger modem is in state "not connect yet" indefinitely
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• 889[10:21:23] <mbuf> I have "udf allow 80" on a Debian 9 VM, and using "curl <public-ip>" returns the nginx home page; but, if I do "curl <public-ip>" from another machine on the Internet, it says 'no route to host'
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• 891[10:21:43] <mbuf> *ufw
• 892[10:22:05] <mbuf> what could be blocking port 80 even after allowing it throuh ufw?
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• 903[10:33:33] <gpunk> dns propagation ?
• 904[10:33:48] <gpunk> oh IP , sorry ...
• 905[10:34:00] <mbuf> gpunk, I am giving public IP only
• 906[10:34:12] <mbuf> gpunk, selinux is not installed
• 907[10:34:30] <gpunk> you want me to test it from here ?
• 908[10:34:43] <mbuf> gpunk, sure, 205.147.99.49
• 909[10:35:00] <mbuf> gpunk, nmap says port 80 is filtered
• 910[10:35:19] <gpunk> i have no route to host too
• 911[10:35:19] <TvL2386> 10:35:10.057506 IP 205.147.99.49 > 192.168.1.106: ICMP host 205.147.99.49 unreachable - admin prohibited, length 68
• 912[10:35:47] <gpunk> but it pings ok
• 913[10:35:49] <TvL2386> gpunk: your router/server sends this icmp message to me
• 914[10:35:49] <gpunk> weird
• 915[10:36:29] <TvL2386> I must admit I'm no ufw guru, but I'm curious to the output of `iptables -vnL INPUT`
• 916[10:36:31] <mbuf> TvL2386, for the filtered state, the reply is an ICMP message
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• 919[10:37:31] <TvL2386> mbuf: yup :)
• 920[10:37:41] <mbuf> TvL2386, replaced-url
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• 923[10:38:38] <TvL2386> pfff
• 924[10:38:44] <TvL2386> this is weird mbuf
• 925[10:38:56] <TvL2386> you reject everything before sending it to the ufw* chains
• 926[10:39:06] <mbuf> TvL2386, should I try Debian 8?
• 927[10:39:15] <TvL2386> so those ufw* chains with their rules are never traversed
• 928[10:39:22] <mbuf> TvL2386, exactly
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• 930[10:39:25] <TvL2386> oh no, I'm not saying switch distro's :)
• 931[10:39:43] <mbuf> TvL2386, isn't Debian 9 testing?
• 932[10:40:00] <gpunk> no
• 933[10:40:06] <gpunk> it s stretch
• 934[10:40:30] <TvL2386> if you would do: `iptables -I INPUT 2 -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT` I can access your webserver
• 935[10:40:58] <TvL2386> this rule is inserted at position 2 (after RELATED/ESTABLISHED)
• 936[10:41:06] <mbuf> TvL2386, that works; thanks!
• 937[10:41:11] <TvL2386> yw
• 938[10:41:20] <mbuf> TvL2386, so, why the ufw rules are not taking effect?
• 939[10:41:50] <TvL2386> because the ufw* jumps in the INPUT chain are after the REJECT rule
• 940[10:42:03] <TvL2386> but you already knew that
• 941[10:42:04] <TvL2386> :)
• 942[10:42:16] <TvL2386> when I install a new server, first thing I do is `apt-get purge ufw`
• 943[10:42:17] <mbuf> TvL2386, right
• 944[10:42:28] <mbuf> TvL2386, are there Debian best practices like these?
• 945[10:42:33] <TvL2386> because I want to do everything myself
• 946[10:42:33] <mbuf> TvL2386, or I just ping you? :)
• 947[10:42:52] <TvL2386> mbuf: I really don't know to be honest what best practices are
• 948[10:43:00] <TvL2386> on this matter
• 949[10:43:03] <ksk> there is the debian users handbook, no?
• 950[10:43:12] <mbuf> TvL2386, yeah, I like to do everything myself too
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• 952[10:43:22] <mbuf> ksk, will check; thanks!
• 953[10:43:24] <TvL2386> I don't have debian servers :)
• 954[10:43:52] <ksk> TvL2386: out!
• 955[10:43:56] <TvL2386> hahaha :)
• 956[10:44:02] <ksk> mbuf: replaced-url
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• 958[10:44:26] <ksk> from there you can find replaced-url
• 959[10:44:34] <mbuf> ksk, will do; thanks!
• 960[10:44:41] <mbuf> gpunk, TvL2386 thanks!
• 961[10:45:10] <gpunk> :)
• 962[10:45:16] <TvL2386> mbuf: imho it is best to know exactly how iptables works, this will benefit you with greater understanding of the underlying ruleset
• 963[10:45:25] <mbuf> TvL2386, true
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• 965[10:46:31] <TvL2386> mbuf yw!
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• 969[10:49:43] <steve-marinos> Hello peeps, do you know if a tablet exists that support full debian
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• 1109[11:53:20] <bazhang> !ops | drunken needs an escort out
• 1110[11:53:20] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: bazhang complains about a problem (see above)
• 1111[11:53:40] <drunken> !ops | bazhang needs to fuck his mommy in the ass
• 1112[11:53:40] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: drunken complains about a problem (see above)
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• 1114[11:54:43] <drunken> !ops | find me some maryjuana
• 1115[11:54:43] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: drunken complains about a problem (see above)
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• 1122[11:56:33] <tuxillo> hi
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• 1124[11:56:56] <tuxillo> does anybody know how should I request some commits to be merged to latest stretch kernel?
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• 1128[11:57:24] <jelly> tuxillo: file a bug report against the package
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• 1130[11:57:46] <tuxillo> ok, i was using 'reportbug kernel' but probably that's wrong I guess
• 1131[11:57:55] <jelly> package name is actually something like linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64
• 1132[11:58:03] <tuxillo> ok, let me try thanks
• 1133[11:58:22] <jelly> tuxillo: echo linux-image-$(uname -r)
• 1134[11:59:36] <jelly> if it's just hardware support I guess it has a decent chance of being applied. If you want functionality changes maybe less so
• 1135[11:59:51] <tuxillo> replaced-url
• 1136[12:00:01] <tuxillo> the initial work item commits
• 1137[12:00:13] <tuxillo> it's kind of a bug :)
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• 1141[12:02:16] <tuxillo> the package linux-source-4.9 specifies it includes debian patches
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• 1144[12:02:57] <not_really_drunk> Has anyone seen this error before? replaced-url
• 1145[12:03:05] <not_really_drunk> if so, how to fix?
• 1146[12:03:18] <tuxillo> does it mean "with patches applied" ?
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• 1191[12:32:06] <Labu> Hello all
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• 1195[12:35:02] <Labu> I am on Debian 9 I have Firefox 52.6. I find Firefox very slow and it freezes many time particulary at boot. Did you have this kind of problems when use it ?
• 1196[12:35:37] <Labu> I think about to use backport version
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• 1199[12:38:24] <ksk> do you have proper 2d acceleration?
• 1200[12:39:00] <ksk> Im not a desktop user, but that is what I would check first
• 1201[12:39:37] <Labu> ksk I gonna check
• 1202[12:39:40] <Labu> thx
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• 1205[12:40:38] <ksk> if you don't care about the implications of leaving the debian package managment there seem to be firefox installers for linux at mozilla.org
• 1206[12:40:43] <Labu> ksk how can I check this ?
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• 1208[12:41:02] <ksk> to check the error is not in the debian browser package, but something else (like the other way round..)
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• 1210[12:41:51] <Labu> yes ksk, I could do that indeed but I would like to see if it doesn't come from my setup
• 1211[12:42:00] <ksk> Labu: I don't really know, which kind of graphics card do you have, and which driver do you have installed. Id think there is a "standard" free driver
• 1212[12:42:19] <ksk> and then there are drivers from your graphics cards vendor. the free ones should work.
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• 1215[12:42:50] <ksk> replaced-url
• 1216[12:43:05] <Labu> I didn't install proprietary dirver
• 1217[12:43:17] <Labu> ksk thx I chack that
• 1218[12:44:05] <Labu> my hardware: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 21)
• 1219[12:44:22] <Labu> I'm llooking your link thx
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• 1221[12:47:06] <Labu> Extended renderer info (GLX_MESA_query_renderer):
• 1222[12:47:06] <Labu> Vendor: Intel Open Source Technology Center (0x8086)
• 1223[12:47:06] <Labu> Device: Mesa DRI Intel(R) HD Graphics 405 (Braswell) (0x22b1)
• 1224[12:47:06] <Labu> Version: 13.0.6
• 1225[12:47:06] <Labu> Accelerated: yes
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• 1228[12:47:30] <Labu> sorry
• 1229[12:48:02] <Labu> so I have acceleration
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• 1304[13:37:16] <pussylicker> i <3 pussy
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• 1318[13:45:56] <csmall> Is something up with right-click in gnome as of recent updates?
• 1319[13:46:13] <csmall> Seems to work in window managers but not gnome all of the sudden
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• 1322[13:49:10] <pussylicker> Can we please hail Hitler now?
• 1323[13:49:17] <pussylicker> LOL FUCK
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• 1327[13:53:00] <booyah> pussylicker: it's offtopic to debian
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• 1329[13:53:32] <pussylicker> okay thx for the tip booyah
• 1330[13:53:36] <pussylicker> back on topic...
• 1331[13:53:46] <pussylicker> has anyone seen this error message before? replaced-url
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• 1333[13:54:26] <booyah> pussylicker: urmom shown that to us, yes. But still it's not debian
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• 1335[13:55:29] <pussylicker> wtf?
• 1336[13:55:36] <pussylicker> now you really fucked upď
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• 1342[13:59:16] <pussylicker> hey
• 1343[13:59:18] <pussylicker> fucketd
• 1344[13:59:23] <pussylicker> fuckers
• 1345[13:59:26] <pussylicker> answer me
• 1346[13:59:53] <Sir_Designer> inshallah you will ask a debian-relevant question
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• 1348[14:00:34] <pussylicker> replaced-url
• 1349[14:00:57] <uptime> (Don't click the above link, it's NSFW)
• 1350[14:01:07] <pussylicker> uptime is a lying nigger
• 1351[14:01:22] <pussylicker> smoke weed, mother fuckers
• 1352[14:01:29] <NetTerminalGene> uptime, what is NSFW?
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• 1354[14:01:35] <uptime> NetTerminalGene: Not safe for work.
• 1355[14:01:41] <Sir_Designer> it's a state of ustralia
• 1356[14:01:45] <pussylicker> NetTerminalGene: he thinks links are automatically NSFW if I paste them
• 1357[14:01:56] <pussylicker> because he thinks i am some sort of queer
• 1358[14:02:21] <pussylicker> but replaced-url
• 1359[14:02:22] <uptime> Sir_Designer: isn't that just nsw
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• 1361[14:02:32] <booyah> pussylicker: nigger pls. that trolling is 2/10
• 1362[14:02:35] <pussylicker> and i require assistance plz
• 1363[14:02:36] <Sir_Designer> locals says New South effing Wales
• 1364[14:02:46] <pussylicker> booyah: say it five more times
• 1365[14:02:49] <pussylicker> i dare you
• 1366[14:02:55] <pussylicker> keep saying the N word
• 1367[14:03:10] <pussylicker> Sigyn loves it when you say the N word
• 1368[14:03:31] <BluesKaj> why is this jerk not being kicked for language and attitude ...seen a lot less obnoxious behviour not tolerated here
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• 1371[14:03:54] <uptime> !ops | pussylicker ban evading
• 1372[14:03:55] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: uptime complains about a problem (see above)
• 1373[14:04:00] <pussylicker> BluesKaj: because the faggots with op power are all sleeping
• 1374[14:04:07] <pussylicker> and sucking each others fag sticks
• 1375[14:04:19] <pussylicker> !ops | uptime harassing me
• 1376[14:04:19] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: pussylicker complains about a problem (see above)
• 1377[14:04:24] <booyah> pussylicker: you're spamming now, that's weak
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• 1379[14:04:51] <Sir_Designer> puss y licker, take your conjoined trouble outta here.
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• 1381[14:05:42] <BluesKaj> some 14 yr old playing around while his mom is shopping
• 1382[14:05:56] <Enotsoul> Poor guy, doesn't get any attention in real life and figured he'd get some from Linux fans.
• 1383[14:06:12] <Enotsoul> Want us to give you a pat on your back?
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• 1386[14:08:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jelly
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• 1390[14:10:10] <BluesKaj> thanks jelly
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• 1392[14:10:35] <Enotsoul> Guess he's now crying in a corner
• 1393[14:10:46] <jelly> please do the !ops thing next time instead of engaging the idiot
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• 1398[14:12:40] <BluesKaj> jelly, exactly
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• 1432[14:36:08] <wlan2_> Is there a channel in freenode for timidity++?
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• 1434[14:36:57] <uptime> wlan2_: Searching via alis (/msg alis help list) shows no results, sadly
• 1435[14:37:37] <BCMM> wlan2_: i don't think so, but there might be a general audio stuff chat somewhere
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• 1437[14:38:19] <wlan2_> I'm thinking I could try #alsa
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• 1440[14:40:59] <wlan2_> BCMM: BTW, thanks to mention alis, I'll try to remember it for when I'm on the webchat like now.
• 1441[14:41:09] <BCMM> wlan2_: it was uptime :)
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• 1443[14:42:09] <wlan2_> BCMM: sorry, I'm used to kvIRC and the webchat is hard to read for me with its white background.
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• 1527[15:32:53] <Poekana> Good afternoon everyone
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• 1530[15:35:11] <Poekana> Anyone has experience with logstash & fluentd?
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• 1541[15:41:10] <JyZyXEL> * Kernel compiled with a retpoline-aware compiler: NO (kernel reports minimal retpoline compilation); i thought stretch already has a retpoline aware compiler?
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• 1544[15:42:18] <JyZyXEL> or do i need to flip some switches to have it used during kernel compilation?
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• 1550[15:45:05] <roth> hello :D
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• 1552[15:45:12] <roth> its my first time in this channel
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• 1554[15:45:14] <rudi_s> JyZyXEL: You need the gcc security update.
• 1555[15:45:20] <Poekana> is Fluentd really that unpopular?
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• 1559[15:46:45] <JyZyXEL> rudi_s: im pretty sure i had it when i compiled my last kernel 2 days ago :/
• 1560[15:47:06] <rudi_s> JyZyXEL: Then it should work out of the box AFAIK.
• 1561[15:47:21] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, what gcc version you have?
• 1562[15:47:22] <JyZyXEL> i started wondering maybe it needs some command -switches to enable
• 1563[15:47:38] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: 6.3.0-18+deb9u1
• 1564[15:47:41] <rudi_s> (Have to admit though, that I didn't compile a kernel on stable with retpoline.)
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• 1567[15:48:18] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, `gcc --version` ?
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• 1569[15:48:53] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, only 7.3.0-x and up have the mitigations
• 1570[15:49:04] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: gcc (Debian 6.3.0-18+deb9u1) 6.3.0 20170516
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• 1573[15:49:27] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: 'apt changelog gcc-6' says: "* Backport of retpoline support by HJ Lu"
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• 1576[15:49:58] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, yes, if i am not mistaken that is not full retpoline support
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• 1578[15:50:11] <dutchfish> only partially
• 1579[15:50:11] <JyZyXEL> wow.
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• 1582[15:50:43] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, but meltdown should have been patched, as far as i know
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• 1585[15:51:39] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, i am not running stable atm but you can check with the later kernel like `grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/*`
• 1586[15:51:42] <annadane> the kernel regression doesn't affect amd64, correct?
• 1587[15:52:05] <dutchfish> annadane, partially for spectre.
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• 1589[15:52:27] <annadane> "The security update announced as DSA-4120-1 caused regressions on the powerpc kernel architecture (random programs segfault, data corruption). Updated packages are now available to correct this issue."
• 1590[15:52:27] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: yeah it's still: Vulnerable: Minimal generic ASM retpoline
• 1591[15:52:36] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, correct
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• 1593[15:54:49] <annadane> so to me that reads like it only affects powerpc... i guess it's in the tracker
• 1594[15:54:52] <JyZyXEL> i wonder what the log is gonna say once they _actually_ backport retpoline to gcc-6..
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• 1596[15:55:35] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, i dont think full retpoline will hit 6.x rather 7.x might be backported if possible. But htta is just a gues.
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• 1598[15:57:34] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, both kernel, gcc and friends and bios updates need to be in sync for a good mitigation
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• 1601[15:57:56] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, be patient
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• 1606[15:59:37] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, there is also this: replaced-url
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• 1608[15:59:54] <MedicalEmergency> where is kdm in buster?
• 1609[16:00:08] <MedicalEmergency> can't find k desktop manager in it
• 1610[16:00:12] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: running that thing is why i started wondering in the first place :P
• 1611[16:00:16] <dutchfish> MedicalEmergency, ask #debian-next (OFTC)
• 1612[16:00:21] <MedicalEmergency> ok
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• 1614[16:00:37] <JyZyXEL> because of the red "VULNERABLE" text, it's hard to ignore :P
• 1615[16:00:51] <annadane> i think they left but kdm is replaced by sddm
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• 1617[16:00:59] <annadane> i'll go bug them in #next after they ask there
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• 1619[16:01:37] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, anyway `grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/*` for a quick check is enough without pulling in something that is still in th emaking as well.
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• 1622[16:02:20] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, the tool depends alot on many new kernel features
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• 1624[16:02:30] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, and so for userland
• 1625[16:02:30] <apollo13> /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/spectre_v2:Mitigation: Full generic retpoline ah sweet
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• 1640[16:13:32] <rudi_s> JyZyXEL: To my knowledge this is a full retpoline backport.
• 1641[16:13:37] <rudi_s> *to gcc 6
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• 1643[16:14:08] <rudi_s> The "Minimal generic ASM retpoline" means no retpoline support in the compiler at all.
• 1644[16:14:34] <JyZyXEL> rudi_s: well that is what the 4.15.7 tells me
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• 1650[16:16:15] <rudi_s> JyZyXEL: But as the stock debian image supports full generic retpoline on stable, the compiler must support it.
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• 1654[16:17:28] <JyZyXEL> maybe the compiler needs to be told to use it somehow in the build process
• 1655[16:17:47] <JyZyXEL> i couldn't find the build logs for stable kernel
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• 1676[16:37:57] <rudi_s> JyZyXEL: The kernel does that on its own.
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• 1680[16:38:48] <JyZyXEL> hmm, perhaps it has some automatics that only enable it on gcc 7.3.x
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• 1682[16:39:28] <JyZyXEL> so it needs debian specific patches to enable on gcc 6
• 1683[16:39:54] <rudi_s> Hm. I don't know. Check the debian kernel source repository for additional patches.
• 1684[16:41:20] <JyZyXEL> replaced-url
• 1685[16:41:47] <JyZyXEL> looks like it only has retpoline support for gcc-7
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• 1687[16:42:58] <JyZyXEL> oh wait, that is for sid
• 1688[16:43:22] <JyZyXEL> replaced-url
• 1689[16:43:51] <JyZyXEL> doesn't looks like there are any special patches or configuration for stretch kernel to enable retpoline
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• 1693[16:45:56] <JyZyXEL> so it's either a upstream kernel bug or something wrong with the gcc-6 backport
• 1694[16:46:56] <tape_user> replaced-url
• 1695[16:47:20] <tape_user> I've used this application replaced-url
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• 1699[16:49:05] <classict> Hi everybody
• 1700[16:49:21] <m3rlin> Hi classict
• 1701[16:49:33] <classict> I want to know if is possible flash intel x3 tablet with some debian/linux distro
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• 1704[16:50:30] <m3rlin> Yep it can, maybe
• 1705[16:51:09] <Poekana> Does anyone have experience with fluentd? :)
• 1706[16:51:24] <classict> I see yocto distro
• 1707[16:51:51] <m3rlin> classict, check this replaced-url
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• 1713[16:53:14] <classict> yes, I already saw it
• 1714[16:53:29] <classict> but in practice, I can found info
• 1715[16:53:38] <classict> can't*
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• 1720[16:57:06] <m3rlin> Info about what?
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• 1737[17:06:37] <expert975> Most of the time when I'm using the graphical interface and I quit a tty console the screen shows the graphical interface but I can't control mouse or keyboard. If I try to change to any tty, the screen freezes and I have to killall processes using sysreq. Why does this happen?
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• 1749[17:15:31] <Poekana> Does anyone have experience with fluentd? :)
• 1750[17:16:10] <annadane> ,v fluentd
• 1751[17:16:11] <judd> No package named 'fluentd' was found in amd64.
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• 1753[17:16:39] <annadane> doesn't appear to be a debian package
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• 1761[17:18:30] <Poekana> it's a log processor
• 1762[17:18:34] <Poekana> not standard in debian
• 1763[17:21:45] <rant> expert975: what graphics drivers are you using?
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• 1765[17:22:09] <rant> expert975: framebuffer issues would be my first guess
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• 1770[17:22:53] <syrinxcultist> how do i get to my hosted website with my domain instead of ip address.. domain name times out from local computer
• 1771[17:23:11] <syrinxcultist> domain works fine from "other internet connections"
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• 1774[17:24:33] <bitess> did you set the dns entry just now? dns needs some time to propagate. try a different dns server.
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• 1777[17:25:16] <syrinxcultist> it's been live quite a while
• 1778[17:25:31] <syrinxcultist> it has something to do with maybe my router?
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• 1780[17:25:45] <syrinxcultist> i have to go to my internal IP to see it
• 1781[17:26:00] <syrinxcultist> replaced-url
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• 1786[17:27:14] <bitess> yes, does dig tos.rocks report the right ip for you?
• 1787[17:27:38] <expert975> rant: I was using nvidia, now I think I'm using noveau
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• 1790[17:28:03] <expert975> rant: how do I check that again?
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• 1793[17:28:59] <rant> expert975: lsmod would be a good start. noveau is probably where your problem lies especially if its loaded WHILE nvidia is loaded
• 1794[17:29:10] <syrinxcultist> dig?
• 1795[17:29:32] <bitess> dig tos.rocks
• 1796[17:29:57] <syrinxcultist> dig tos.rocks
• 1797[17:30:01] <syrinxcultist> =p
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• 1799[17:30:18] <syrinxcultist> i.e. i stop wifi on my phone and the website shows up
• 1800[17:30:52] <bitess> dig is a command for looking up dns entries
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• 1802[17:31:44] <syrinxcultist> i dont have dig
• 1803[17:31:59] <expert975> rant: nvidia installation claims to disable noveau. I've done a 'apt purge nvidia' a while back
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• 1807[17:32:25] <expert975> rant: There's a module called 'nvidia'. Is that what I'm looking for?
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• 1809[17:32:55] <bitess> it's in the dnsutils package.
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• 1811[17:33:24] <bitess> oh, the problem is on your phone?
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• 1814[17:34:02] <expert975> rant: 'lsmod | grep nove' shows nothing
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• 1816[17:35:03] <syrinxcultist> haha no..
• 1817[17:35:33] <syrinxcultist> i have to use internal lan ip to see it, on any other internet connection the url works
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• 1821[17:38:17] <expert975> rant: does that mean noveau driver is not loaded and nvidia is?
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• 1824[17:39:46] <syrinxcultist> 1@s3
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• 1826[17:40:00] <acidtripper> hi somebody ther using teamviewer?
• 1827[17:40:13] <acidtripper> get problem aborted when running
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• 1843[17:47:34] <jelly> expert975: nvidia kernel module being loaded means that yes
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• 1845[17:47:57] <expert975> jelly: How can nvidia be loaded after 'apt purge nvidia'?
• 1846[17:48:37] <jelly> expert975: probably because none of its packages are called "nvidia" and that command basically does nothing
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• 1849[17:49:35] <expert975> jelly: I mean, the command was 'apt purge nvidia-driver'
• 1850[17:49:49] <jelly> expert975: if you installed nvidia driver using packaging from non-free repo, you can purge them like this: aptitude purge '~i ?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers)'
• 1851[17:50:41] <expert975> jelly: I did install from the non-free repo. The command was 'apt install nvidia-driver'
• 1852[17:51:19] <jelly> right. The command to undo all of that is not the one you'd expect it to be.
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• 1858[17:51:57] <expert975> jelly: Must I install aptitude then?
• 1859[17:52:14] <jelly> if you don't have it already, yes
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• 1887[18:08:09] <acidtripper> nobody there having problem with teamviewer?
• 1888[18:08:13] <acidtripper> abort message?
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• 1891[18:08:33] <ksk> acidtripper: teamviever is not supported by debian, please ask teamviewer.
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• 1893[18:08:45] <acidtripper> iks debian package
• 1894[18:08:48] <acidtripper> ill check
• 1895[18:08:54] <jelly> ,v teamviewer
• 1896[18:08:55] <judd> No package named 'teamviewer' was found in amd64.
• 1897[18:08:55] <ksk> ,version teamviever
• 1898[18:08:57] <judd> No package named 'teamviever' was found in amd64.
• 1899[18:09:23] <ksk> there might be a "debian package" for it, but its not officially distributed by the debian team (not in the debian main repos)
• 1900[18:09:38] <ksk> but rather a third party repo you added to your debian install.
• 1901[18:10:10] <jelly> acidtripper: teamviewer is not free software by debian's standards. Sometimes you can get lucky someone here uses such software and has a clue, but that's not a rule
• 1902[18:10:23] <acidtripper> ok
• 1903[18:10:25] <acidtripper> thanks
• 1904[18:11:07] <ksk> tunnelling X via ssh or using VNC (also via ssh, please) is kind of easy to setup if you asked me
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• 1906[18:12:52] <jelly> vnc requires a lot of bandwidth and some setup, teamviewer goes thru NAT easily using a proprietary web service, and is very easy to set up
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• 1913[18:18:12] <ksk> good points.
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• 1934[18:29:30] <Ascavasaion> Can someone please tellme how to install codecs for audio files? I Googled... is sudo apt-get install gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly the way to go?
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• 1948[18:38:56] <hypn0> codecs for what
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• 1951[18:40:00] <Ascavasaion> hypn0: Opened Rhythmbox, and it is rejecting pretty much all m music files.
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• 1959[18:42:41] <hypn0> don't you get a prompt to install from rythmbox Ascavasaion?
• 1960[18:42:54] <Ascavasaion> hypn0: Not that I saw.
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• 1965[18:46:05] <hypn0> replaced-url
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• 1969[18:49:44] <n1lsen> N1LSEN FALKJA
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• 2010[19:10:48] <Laserburn> hi all. Got a weird problem, one of my ethernet interfaces is grabbing a secondary address via DHCP even though the interface is configured as static. ifconfig doesn't show the new DHCP address, but ip add show does: replaced-url
• 2011[19:11:12] <Laserburn> because of this, I have a second default gateway route configured, which kills connectivity
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• 2024[19:19:47] <alles-wird-gut> salut, Problem with grub -> dualboot. Win 10 can't selected by grub. Two SSD both have GPT partitionstable, both os installed in uefi mode. I've installed first debian streetch in uefi on sda, than win10 on sdb. But windows installed his bootmanager on sda.
• 2025[19:19:59] <alles-wird-gut> replaced-url
• 2026[19:20:08] <RoyK> Laserburn: do you have a dhcp server on the same network as your open internet connection?
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• 2028[19:20:58] <alles-wird-gut> I've tried update-grub, grub-install /dev/sda1 and grub-install /dev/sdb1 without solving it...
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• 2032[19:22:57] <apollo13> alles-wird-gut: os-prober installed? update-grub has to show something like "Found Windows Boot Manager on /dev/sda2@/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi" -- otherwise you can never boot windows
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• 2035[19:24:09] * RoyK doesn't want to boot windows
• 2036[19:25:30] <Laserburn> RoyK: Yes, but the interface is configured with a static address in /etc/network/interfaces
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• 2040[19:26:38] <somiaj> alles-wird-gut: why are you installing grub on the first partition and not the mbr? Is this grub-efi or legacy?
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• 2042[19:27:01] <tape_user> anyone else here uses cassette tapes to store computer files?
• 2043[19:27:14] <alles-wird-gut> apollo13: os-prober ?
• 2044[19:27:23] <somiaj> tape_user: I'm sure people do, but it may not be as common as it use to be.
• 2045[19:27:28] <somiaj> tape_user: do you have an actual question.
• 2046[19:27:43] <alles-wird-gut> not installed and update-grub has to show something like "Found Windows Boot Manager on /dev/sda2@/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi" -- wasn't shown...
• 2047[19:27:43] <somiaj> alles-wird-gut: os-prober is a package that will search your machine for other oses and add them to the grub menu
• 2048[19:27:44] <hypn0> why would you want to dothat tap
• 2049[19:27:56] <Laserburn> somiaj: punctuation for questions is ?
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• 2053[19:28:19] <alles-wird-gut> os-prober is installed.
• 2054[19:29:04] <alles-wird-gut> update-grub can't find win
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• 2058[19:30:04] <JohnA> i have a spare machine which I want to use as a server, amd64 8 banger 32gb memory 10tb storage. Pointers to a good "ow to" on setting up the disk? I keep running into problems with efi!!
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• 2062[19:32:00] <dutchfish> JohnA, explain, problems with efi some more.
• 2063[19:32:20] <alles-wird-gut> somiaj: grub efi or legacy? > df -h --local | grep /boot /dev/sda2 ext2 237M 46M 179M 21% /boot /dev/sda1 vfat 511M 26M 486M 5% /boot/efi
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• 2065[19:32:55] <somiaj> alles-wird-gut: is windows setup to boot efi or legacy?
• 2066[19:33:11] <alles-wird-gut> efi
• 2067[19:33:21] <somiaj> JohnA: with efi you should use gtp partition tables and ensure you have an efi partition.
• 2068[19:33:27] <aphotica> i can't seem to find deluged in debian testing (buster) - anyone else have a similar problem?
• 2069[19:33:41] <somiaj> alles-wird-gut: does windows have an .efi file in the efi partition, could you just use your firmware to boot from windows (nice thing about efi is you don't really need a single boot loader anymore)
• 2070[19:34:26] <alles-wird-gut> somiaj: yes. from efi I can boot win directly.
• 2071[19:34:27] <somiaj> aphotica: replaced-url
• 2072[19:34:57] <aphotica> ah
• 2073[19:35:08] <aphotica> so its not in the repo because of bugs
• 2074[19:35:09] <aphotica> okayu
• 2075[19:35:12] <somiaj> alles-wird-gut: well your choices are just use your firmware to choose to boot either windows or grub. If you really want windows in grub, check out /etc/grub.d/README and /etc/grub.d/40_custom and 41_custom, and write your own custom entry to boot windows from grub.
• 2076[19:35:46] <somiaj> I'm unsure on the details on how to chain load windows with efi, but you can manually configure grub if needed.
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• 2081[19:37:48] <alles-wird-gut> somiaj: on /dev/sda2 (win boot) is a efi -> find . -name bootmgfw.efi ./EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi
• 2082[19:38:31] <alles-wird-gut> somiaj: okay I'll try to create a custom entry.
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• 2084[19:39:08] <JohnA> I am using gtp partitions, I have been trying to setup raid for the various bit, and everything seems to work. except that it won't boot. I have checked the bios = "other OS" I have setup with and without a separate /boot partition. If I use a single disk things work. but as soon as I try to use the other drives !!!!!
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• 2088[19:39:49] <somiaj> JohnA: the firmware has to be able to see the efi partition, is your firmware able to understand the raid to find the efi partition on it?
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• 2091[19:41:28] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut: your parted -l output is confusing. sda1=efi, sda2=what? only 256 MB, sda3=what? unformatted?
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• 2093[19:41:34] <alles-wird-gut> somiaj: what's the difference between 40_custom and 41_custom?
• 2094[19:41:48] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut: what's the output of `(sudo) lsblk --fs` ?
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• 2097[19:42:51] <somiaj> alles-wird-gut: how they get the config, I would just use 40_custom
• 2098[19:43:13] <JohnA> somiaj, the efi partition is not in the raid. After the efi partition is setup the remaining free space is the setup with separate partitions for root, var, home ... I either get a error trying to finish the setup or the system fails on boot.
• 2099[19:43:46] <alles-wird-gut> replaced-url
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• 2101[19:43:56] <somiaj> JohnA: is /boot in the raid or out of it too?
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• 2103[19:44:37] <JohnA> That why I am looking for a "good" write up on setting up a debian server.
• 2104[19:44:39] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut: your sda1 partition is the efi partition, it's supposed to be mounted in /boot/efi, not in /mnt
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• 2106[19:45:14] <RoyK> Laserburn: I guess dhcpcd is messing up, then
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• 2108[19:45:36] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut: mount it in /boot/efi, then run this, and paste the output: find /boot/efi -iname '*.efi'
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• 2111[19:45:57] <RoyK> Laserburn: anyway - don't use different IP networks on the same psysical/logical network - use a separate NIC if you want a router
• 2112[19:45:58] <JohnA> somiaj, both efi and boot are outside the raid.
• 2113[19:46:15] <Laserburn> RoyK: it is a separate NIC on a separate physical network.
• 2114[19:46:35] <RoyK> erm
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• 2116[19:46:54] <RoyK> and it gets an address from the dhcp on the other network?
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• 2119[19:47:05] <Laserburn> I have eth0 and eth1, eth0 is on a separate broadcast domain from eth1
• 2120[19:47:12] <JohnA> alkisg, that may be the problem - I don't find anything with *.efi
• 2121[19:47:14] <somiaj> JohnA: replaced-url
• 2122[19:47:15] <Laserburn> yeah, so I have a router behind an AT&T router right
• 2123[19:47:23] <Laserburn> eth0 is connected to that 2nd router
• 2124[19:47:28] <alkisg> JohnA: I'm talking to alles-wird-gut, not you :)
• 2125[19:47:28] <Laserburn> eth1 is connected directly to the AT&T router
• 2126[19:47:35] <alkisg> JohnA: I haven't read your case :)
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• 2128[19:47:49] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: > find /boot/efi -iname '*.efi' ---> /boot/efi/EFI/debian/grubx64.efi /boot/efi/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi /boot/efi/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgr.efi /boot/efi/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/memtest.efi /boot/efi/EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi
• 2129[19:47:56] <Laserburn> this has worked well for years, with a little bit of kludgery in ip rules
• 2130[19:48:04] <RoyK> Laserburn: make a drawing of this network - it seems strange
• 2131[19:48:05] <Laserburn> suddenly eth1 starts grabbing a DHCP address
• 2132[19:48:08] <Laserburn> sure man one sec
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• 2134[19:48:14] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut: nice, now run this, and pastebin the output: (sudo) update-grub
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• 2136[19:48:48] <somiaj> JohnA: but I'm not finding any direct link that gives a detailed guide on how to this up in debian stretch.
• 2137[19:49:06] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut: btw, also run this: dpkg -l '*grub*' | grep ^ii
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• 2139[19:49:44] <RoyK> alkisg: or dpkg -l | awk '/^ii.*grub/'
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• 2141[19:50:03] <alkisg> Eh, that puts more strain in dpkg, to output all the packages :P
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• 2144[19:50:21] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: > dpkg -l '*grub*' | grep ^ii ii grub-common 2.02+dfsg1-1 amd64 GRand Unified Bootloader (common files) ii grub-efi-amd64 2.02+dfsg1-1 amd64 GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (EFI-AMD64 version) ii grub-efi-amd64-bin 2.02+dfsg1-1 amd64 GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (EFI-AMD64 binaries) ii grub2-common 2.02+dfsg1-1 amd64 GRand Unified Bootloader (common files for v
• 2145[19:50:34] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut: use the pastebin...
• 2146[19:50:37] <alkisg> paste.debian.net
• 2147[19:50:41] <RoyK> alkisg: should be a heavy effort for an i486 processor, but hardly nothing for modern things ;)
• 2148[19:50:46] <alkisg> And also for the update-grub output
• 2149[19:50:49] <alles-wird-gut> sorry
• 2150[19:50:58] <alkisg> RoyK, sure, but I've no reason to prefer it though :D
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• 2152[19:51:07] <alkisg> If it was 0.00001 sec faster, sure :D
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• 2155[19:51:34] * RoyK wonders if alkisg is using assembly to make things go faster
• 2156[19:51:53] <alkisg> I did program tetris etc in assembly back in the days.. I managed to get it to under 1k
• 2157[19:51:54] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: replaced-url
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• 2159[19:52:20] * RoyK likes perl and python and such languages
• 2160[19:52:36] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut: and the output of update-grub...
• 2161[19:52:51] <RoyK> that is - having used perl for a couple of decades, I start to like python even more now
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• 2163[19:53:08] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: update-grub replaced-url
• 2164[19:53:15] <alkisg> Yeah programming in python is very enjoyable
• 2165[19:53:45] <Laserburn> I'm just waiting for all the libraries I use to be updated for python 3
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• 2167[19:53:52] <somiaj> I just with python was better at gussing variable types like perl.
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• 2170[19:54:45] <somiaj> I find python3 not as enjoyable as python2, but mostly because I liked the loose syntax in python2
• 2171[19:54:59] <somiaj> I still have trouble rembering to put parathensis on print commands
• 2172[19:55:02] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: I haven't write a 40_custom in grub.d/
• 2173[19:55:11] <alles-wird-gut> should I?
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• 2178[19:56:38] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut: normally os-prober is supposed to find windows... I'm thinking why it doesn't find it for you
• 2179[19:56:55] <apollo13> alles-wird-gut: btw sure that there is still a windows on the disk?
• 2180[19:57:02] <alkisg> E.g. when I run os-prober, I get: /dev/sda1@/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi:Windows Boot Manager:Windows:efi
• 2181[19:57:05] <apollo13> your partition layout doesn't really seem to indicate it
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• 2183[19:57:23] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: ah, okay. Yes, before I start my debian session, I've installed win and used it.
• 2184[19:57:46] <apollo13> alles-wird-gut: I am not 100% sure, but I think you wiped windows during installation of debian
• 2185[19:58:11] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: when I start efi and select win on boot override win10 starts directly
• 2186[19:58:12] <alkisg> apollo13: he can still start windows by selecting them from the uefi boot menu
• 2187[19:58:20] <apollo13> ah
• 2188[19:58:32] <alkisg> It's only grub that doesn't find them
• 2189[19:58:41] <apollo13> then maybe grub checks the msftres partition which is indeed missing for him, lets see what osprober does
• 2190[19:58:48] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: I have installed debian first than win10
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• 2192[20:00:02] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: efibootmgr -> replaced-url
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• 2198[20:01:09] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut: here is what update-grub puts to grub.cfg for me; you need something similar, and if you can't get os-prober to do it automatically, put something similar in 40-custom: replaced-url
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• 2200[20:01:40] <alkisg> For you it would be hd1, not hd0, and you'd need to update the UUID, etc
• 2201[20:01:50] <apollo13> alles-wird-gut: can you show the contents of your efi partition?
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• 2205[20:03:04] <apollo13> os-prober looks for Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi
• 2206[20:03:06] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut: ah, are you currently booted under uefi? Do you have a /sys/firmware/efi dir?
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• 2208[20:03:09] <apollo13> at least reading the source code
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• 2210[20:03:42] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: replaced-url
• 2211[20:04:13] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut: yes I know I asked you for all the .efi files earlier, now apollo13 asked for this, I don't need it
• 2212[20:04:36] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: > [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS -> UEFI
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• 2214[20:05:44] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut: what's the output of this? /usr/lib/os-probes/mounted/05efi /dev/sda1 /boot/efi vfat
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• 2216[20:05:55] <alkisg> (always as root)
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• 2224[20:08:24] <alles-wird-gut> replaced-url
• 2225[20:08:41] <apollo13> alles-wird-gut: you are supposed to run the command
• 2226[20:08:47] <apollo13> not show the source of the command
• 2227[20:09:03] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: ups :/
• 2228[20:09:06] <alkisg> Right :)
• 2229[20:09:24] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: /dev/sda1@/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi:Windows Boot Manager:Windows:efi
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• 2233[20:09:54] <alkisg> OK, so the problem is that os-prober doesn't get to call that file for you; if it did, it would work fine.
• 2234[20:10:05] <apollo13> that is an assumption I wouldn't make
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• 2236[20:10:13] <apollo13> rather confirm via strace or so
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• 2239[20:10:30] <Clive> hi. how many dvd's does debian 9 have? is it 3? because i can download 3. or is it more somewhere?
• 2240[20:10:33] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut: try this, sudo nano /usr/lib/os-probes/mounted/05efi
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• 2244[20:11:12] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut: then on the third line, put this: echo ".$1.$2.$3" >> /tmp/out
• 2245[20:11:26] <somiaj> might be careful cahgining a file in /usr/lib, if there was ever an upgrade to os-prober, the changes would be overwritten. Just be aware that this change may need to be redone in the future.
• 2246[20:11:32] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut: then, run `(sudo) os-prober` again, and finally check the /tmp/out file, and tell us its contents
• 2247[20:11:52] <alkisg> somiaj: it's a temporary change for troubleshooting, it will be reverted
• 2248[20:12:05] <alkisg> It's not a workaround nor a solution, it's troubleshooting
• 2249[20:12:06] <hypn0> Clive: what are you looking for
• 2250[20:12:22] <Clive> hypn0: getting a dvd set for testing purposes.
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• 2252[20:12:39] <hypn0> getting what?
• 2253[20:12:40] <Clive> i only want/need the iso, not physical discs
• 2254[20:14:46] <hypn0> replaced-url
• 2255[20:15:28] <Clive> i mean are there only 3 dvds? i can remember 8+ dvds for like debian 6. did those got only 3 nowadays?
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• 2257[20:16:01] <somiaj> Clive: are you sure it was 8 dvd's and not 8 cds? Anyways, I think the 3-dvds are all there is now if someone wants an offline archive.
• 2258[20:16:15] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: replaced-url
• 2259[20:16:32] <Clive> replaced-url
• 2260[20:16:49] <hypn0> you can get a single dvd iso too
• 2261[20:16:56] <Ascavasaion> Can I use wicd to use two eth interfaces?
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• 2263[20:17:15] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut: something doesn't sound right... and still os-prober doesn't show any output there?
• 2264[20:17:24] <hypn0> 6? isn't 9?
• 2265[20:17:41] <somiaj> Clive: ahh, it could be just due to bandwith and storage space, they aren't making as many packages available offline.
• 2266[20:17:50] <Clive> hypn0: do you read what i say?
• 2267[20:17:59] <alles-wird-gut> > os-prober /dev/sda1@/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi:Windows Boot Manager:Windows:efi
• 2268[20:18:13] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut: well,the previous time you said it didn't show that
• 2269[20:18:15] <Clive> somiaj: does this mean those dvd's aren't the full collection anymore?
• 2270[20:18:35] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut: anyway, so, if you run (sudo) update-grub now, does it show a windows entry?
• 2271[20:18:48] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: by the way, I've two HDDs only for data.
• 2272[20:18:49] <apollo13> alkisg: I think in all fairness he said update-grub doesn't show something and we missinterpreted that
• 2273[20:19:02] <hypn0> no :-)
• 2274[20:19:40] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: no it is the same like replaced-url
• 2275[20:20:00] <somiaj> Clive: I think this is the reason, on the download page there is this comment: "We don't store/serve the full set of ISO images for all architectures, to reduce the amount of space taken up on the mirrors. You can use the jigdo tool to recreate the missing ISO images instead."
• 2276[20:20:13] <apollo13> alles-wird-gut: can you show ls -lisa /etc/grub.d
• 2277[20:20:15] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut, apollo13, so, to sum up, `os-prober` does find your windows, but `update-grub` doesn't find them. Is that correct?
• 2278[20:20:35] <somiaj> Clive: replaced-url
• 2279[20:20:42] <Clive> what "missing ISO images" do they mean? DVD-4 and highter?
• 2280[20:20:47] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut: now it would be a good time to run `nano /usr/lib/os-probes/mounted/05efi` and remove that third line, we don't need it anymore
• 2281[20:20:53] <apollo13> alkisg: at least that is what I got out of the discussion for now :)
• 2282[20:20:55] <Clive> 14? lol!
• 2283[20:21:10] <alles-wird-gut> apollo13: replaced-url
• 2284[20:21:35] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: all right I've removed it
• 2285[20:21:43] <Clive> no blu ray? :D
• 2286[20:22:00] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut: run this as root: /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober
• 2287[20:22:03] <alkisg> What's the output?
• 2288[20:22:12] <apollo13> alkisg: that won't work
• 2289[20:22:17] <alkisg> Why not?
• 2290[20:22:19] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: is correct
• 2291[20:22:24] <alkisg> It works for me
• 2292[20:22:36] <apollo13> I get /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober: line 28: /grub-mkconfig_lib: No such file or directory
• 2293[20:22:46] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: os-prober find it but update-grub doesn't
• 2294[20:23:01] <alkisg> apollo13: you tried that as root? Running, not sourcing it?
• 2295[20:23:06] <apollo13> alkisg: yes
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• 2297[20:23:20] <apollo13> apparently a change between stable and unstable *shrug*
• 2298[20:23:24] <somiaj> Clive: maybe BD is blueray? replaced-url
• 2299[20:23:43] <Clive> somiaj: yes, BD is blu ray
• 2300[20:23:45] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: should I try grub-mkconfig
• 2301[20:23:48] <alles-wird-gut> ?
• 2302[20:23:52] <Clive> thanks
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• 2304[20:24:03] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut: what happens if you run this? /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober
• 2305[20:24:34] <alkisg> (always as root...)
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• 2308[20:26:06] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: sure, always root. grub-mkconfig -o /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ?
• 2309[20:26:14] <alkisg> No
• 2310[20:26:25] <alkisg> I never said anything about grub-mkconfig
• 2311[20:26:33] <alkisg> If you ever ran that, you destoyed the os-prober file
• 2312[20:26:49] <alkisg> Actually... let's see the contents of the /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober file :)
• 2313[20:26:57] <alkisg> Can you pastebin /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ?
• 2314[20:27:39] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: os-prober content replaced-url
• 2315[20:27:50] <apollo13> hehe
• 2316[20:27:51] <alkisg> Heh
• 2317[20:28:05] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut: ok, the problem is you destroyed that file :D
• 2318[20:28:12] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: I've used grub-mkconfig yesterday, when I try to solve my problem ^^
• 2319[20:28:17] <alkisg> Let me pastebin a correct one...
• 2320[20:28:27] <alkisg> stretch, right?
• 2321[20:28:32] <alles-wird-gut> stretch
• 2322[20:28:38] <apollo13> alles-wird-gut: why didn't you say so?
• 2323[20:28:48] <somiaj> you should be able to reinstall it with reinstalling os-prober, might need the confmiss option if you deleted that file
• 2324[20:29:03] <alles-wird-gut> apollo13: I don't know, that it was important :(
• 2325[20:29:11] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut: replaced-url
• 2326[20:29:21] <alles-wird-gut> uname -a Linux debian 4.14.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.14.17-1 (2018-02-14) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 2328[20:29:50] <alkisg> Actually do this: wget replaced-url
• 2329[20:29:52] <apollo13> alkisg: interesting, do you have any idea where $pkgdatadir is coming from for you?
• 2330[20:30:09] <alkisg> apollo13: cd /usr/share/grub and run it again
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• 2332[20:30:44] <mmohr> what's a good tutorial for installing a simple mailing list on a debian server? I find a lot of contradicting and outdated information.
• 2333[20:30:46] <apollo13> alkisg: right… that explains why it failed for me cause those scripts are not really ment to be run standalone ;)
• 2334[20:30:46] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: okay I've copy and paste it :)
• 2335[20:30:57] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut: try update-grub again
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• 2338[20:31:28] <alles-wird-gut> damn
• 2339[20:31:42] <alkisg> apollo13: sure, but it was a hard issue, trying to find out he accidentally overwrote 30_os-prober :D
• 2340[20:32:14] <apollo13> alkisg: yes, but you said "run this as root: /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober" without indication to change the directory, so you interestingly both had been in the correct one?! :D
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• 2342[20:32:45] <alkisg> apollo13: he never was able to run it, since he overwrote it with grub.cfg yesterday
• 2343[20:32:52] <apollo13> ah true that
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• 2351[20:35:17] <somiaj> mmohr: mailman3 is in debian, there is also the old mailman, and there maybe other already presetup mailing list software you can use.
• 2352[20:35:50] <somiaj> mmohr: I don't do much with mailing lists so unsure on mailman's quality or if there are nicer software avalble. That is just one I know of
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• 2355[20:36:49] <somiaj> alkisg: alles-wird-gut: apt --reinstall install os-prober should have given you the option to replace the config file with the default, if not, you may have needed confmiss or some dpkg config option to force it. Just as an alternatve to copy/pasteing.
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• 2358[20:37:08] <apollo13> mailman, the one software that monthly mails you your password?
• 2359[20:37:27] <alkisg> somiaj: you need to delete the file and apt reinstall with --confmiss something, it was faster to paste than do that :)
• 2360[20:37:29] <somiaj> I don't think it does that, or at least not anymore.
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• 2366[20:37:48] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: ./etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ./etc/grub.d/30_os-prober: 28: .: Can't open /grub-mkconfig_lib and update-grub doesn't find win
• 2367[20:37:55] <somiaj> alkisg: hence why the irnestall should have said, hey do y ou want to replace this with the default...but yea, there is some other confask or something option for that.
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• 2369[20:38:31] <mmohr> somiaj: thanks, I'll look for some write-up about the setup.
• 2370[20:38:32] <alkisg> somiaj: that only happens on upgrades, not on reinstallation. For reinstallation you need to delete the file afaik, and use the apt:confmisssomething
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• 2373[20:38:44] <mmohr> actually, I need to set up a mail server as well, what would you recommend?
• 2374[20:38:55] <apollo13> postfix
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• 2376[20:39:05] <mmohr> (only for the one mailing list, nothing fancy)
• 2377[20:39:05] <apollo13> at least for the MTA part
• 2378[20:39:07] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut: cd /usr/share/grub; /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ==> output of those 2 commands?
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• 2380[20:39:43] <somiaj> alkisg: with confnew, confask, and stuff I would think it is possible, but yea at this point, copy/paste was probably the easiest over debugging this if it didn't work as exepcted.
• 2381[20:39:52] <somiaj> (possible wihtout deleteing the config file)
• 2382[20:39:54] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: > cd /usr/share/grub; /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober: 28: .: Can't open /grub-mkconfig_lib
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• 2384[20:40:02] <somiaj> I guess --purge followed by install would work too, unless in the confmiss case
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• 2386[20:40:18] <apollo13> alkisg: that won't help a thing
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• 2388[20:40:30] <apollo13> alkisg: without $pkgdatadir set it will be /grub… and not grub
• 2389[20:40:41] <apollo13> changing dirs does not help, I am still surprised it worked for you
• 2390[20:41:30] <alles-wird-gut> why it can't open /grub-mkconfig_lib#
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• 2392[20:41:56] <apollo13> because that script isn't ment to be run manually, just try sudo update-grub
• 2393[20:42:01] <apollo13> and see if you get a better output now
• 2394[20:42:13] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut: try this, all in one line: pkgdatadir=/usr/share/grub /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober
• 2395[20:42:24] <alkisg> He said update-grub didn't show windows
• 2396[20:43:16] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: replaced-url
• 2397[20:43:27] <apollo13> alkisg: he did not say that
• 2398[20:43:30] <apollo13> only "damn" :D
• 2399[20:43:48] <alkisg> (09:37:48 μμ) alles-wird-gut: alkisg: ./etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ./etc/grub.d/30_os-prober: 28: .: Can't open /grub-mkconfig_lib and update-grub doesn't find win
• 2400[20:44:00] <apollo13> ah there
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• 2402[20:44:15] <alkisg> OK, so 30_os-prober can find your windows; I wonder if you damaged more files
• 2403[20:44:47] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: maybe grub.cfg
• 2404[20:44:56] <alles-wird-gut> I've edited yesrterday...
• 2405[20:45:06] <somiaj> maybe pruging os-prober and reinstalling would at least be a first step to ensuring there is no damaged files there.
• 2406[20:45:08] <alkisg> In /boot/grub/grub.cfg? That's autogenerated...
• 2407[20:45:13] <alkisg> True ^
• 2408[20:45:29] <alkisg> Give it a try; apt purge os-prober; apt install os-prober
• 2409[20:45:36] <apollo13> pruging os-prober won't do a thing
• 2410[20:45:42] <apollo13> rather try grub-common or so
• 2411[20:45:50] <alkisg> Hmm let's be careful about autoremovals
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• 2414[20:46:06] <apollo13> that is where the grub 30_os-prober actually is
• 2415[20:46:42] <alkisg> I don't think he can purge grub-common without removing more packages... only with dpkg and forced...
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• 2418[20:47:19] <alles-wird-gut> and what is with 40_custom ???
• 2419[20:47:28] <somiaj> apollo13: ahh, thanks, seems strange to me that is what provides that package. and it seems that it isn't even a config file, so a reinstall should replace it.
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• 2421[20:47:34] <apollo13> looking at my system; purging grub-common and then reinstalling grub-efi might give a blank slate
• 2422[20:47:44] <alkisg> alles-wird-gut: if 30_os-prober doesn't work for you, 40 wouldn't work either :D
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• 2424[20:47:59] <alkisg> sounds good apollo13, yeah alles-wird-gut try that
• 2425[20:48:00] <alles-wird-gut> ah okay.
• 2426[20:48:25] <alles-wird-gut> apt-get purge grub-common right?
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• 2428[20:48:34] <alkisg> Yes, but careful not to reboot until you reinstall grub
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• 2430[20:48:49] <apollo13> yeah, check that it doesn't remove more than 10-15 packages
• 2431[20:48:57] <apollo13> if it says 100 you probably shouldn't do it XD
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• 2436[20:50:14] <alles-wird-gut> okay done
• 2437[20:50:25] <alkisg> Which packages did it remove?
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• 2439[20:50:26] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: now apt install grub-common ?
• 2440[20:50:43] <alles-wird-gut> alkisg: grub-common* grub-efi-amd64* grub-efi-amd64-bin* grub2-common* os-prober*
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• 2442[20:50:52] <somiaj> you may need to install grub-efi and os-prober isntaed
• 2443[20:50:52] <apollo13> ok, install grub-efi-amd64
• 2444[20:50:56] <alkisg> OK, try apt install grub-efi-amd64
• 2445[20:50:57] <alles-wird-gut> and efibootmgr libefiboot1 libefivar1
• 2446[20:50:58] <somiaj> so apt install grub-efi-amd64 os-prober
• 2447[20:51:02] <alkisg> It should reinstall all of them
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• 2450[20:51:53] <alles-wird-gut> efibootmgr grub-common grub-efi-amd64 grub-efi-amd64-bin grub2-common libefiboot1 libefivar1 os-prober
• 2451[20:52:00] <alles-wird-gut> will be installed
• 2452[20:52:05] <alkisg> Say yes
• 2453[20:52:15] <alles-wird-gut> yes :)
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• 2455[20:52:45] <alles-wird-gut> Windows Boot Manager auf /dev/sda1@/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi gefunden !!! YEAH =)
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• 2458[20:53:04] <alles-wird-gut> thanks a lot to all of you
• 2459[20:53:06] <apollo13> your nickname won :þ
• 2460[20:53:15] <alkisg> So what I think is that instead of just running `update-grub`, you followed some bad advice and destroyed your grub installation :D
• 2461[20:53:18] <alles-wird-gut> :)
• 2462[20:53:33] <alkisg> All good now :)
• 2463[20:53:42] <alles-wird-gut> okay, I' ll reboot now.
• 2464[20:53:58] <alles-wird-gut> and try, If everything will be fine.
• 2465[20:54:20] <alles-wird-gut> cu
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• 2470[21:01:55] * alkisg hopes he's not searching for a live cd now... :D
• 2471[21:02:52] <somiaj> did they run grub-install after the reinstall?
• 2472[21:03:14] <somiaj> (though maybe since everything was int he same place, the old grub install could find the config files)
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• 2474[21:03:48] <alkisg> I think installing grub also runs grub-install in postinst
• 2475[21:03:52] <apollo13> somiaj: since grub was installed to the mbr already it shouldn't be needed imo
• 2476[21:04:08] <somiaj> apollo13: well in this case an efi partition, but yes that was my though
• 2477[21:04:08] <apollo13> especially not with efi, cause I think the efi stub doesn't include the config file
• 2478[21:04:43] <somiaj> alkisg: and no, I don't think installing grub triggers running grub-install, I think this needs more control, and you don't nescirally want it automatically happeing overwriting a previours bootloader
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• 2494[21:13:08] <jgwentworth974> how can i connect one folder to another folder on different partitions??
• 2495[21:13:34] <walterve> jgwentworth974: what do you mean by connect?
• 2496[21:13:41] <jgwentworth974> link them together
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• 2498[21:14:12] <walterve> you can use `ln`
• 2499[21:14:21] <walterve> man ln
• 2500[21:14:32] <jgwentworth974> i dont want a symlink i want to do it on fstab and i dont know how
• 2501[21:14:49] <walterve> ?
• 2502[21:15:00] <walterve> do you mean mounting?
• 2503[21:15:08] <cheapie> Bind-mounting, I assume.
• 2504[21:15:21] <cheapie> I don't know if that's even possible in fstab.
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• 2506[21:15:43] <jgwentworth974> yes mounting
• 2507[21:15:48] <walterve> oh bind mounts
• 2508[21:15:56] <cheapie> Ah, here we go, you can put "bind" in the mount options in the fstab to accomplish that.
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• 2512[21:17:06] <cheapie> So something like "/path/to/somewhere /path/to/elsewhere none defaults,bind 0 0"
• 2513[21:17:13] <walterve> someting like
• 2514[21:17:22] <walterve> -> /proc /chroot/mysql/proc none defaults,bind 0 0
• 2515[21:17:33] <walterve> replaced-url
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• 2554[21:34:32] <rocketmagnet> hey guys, i have a short question: when installing debian 9, what should i select when getting asked what to install (debian desktop env, gnome, kde, etc.) if i want to have compiz ?
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• 2560[21:36:05] <rocketmagnet> i don't like kde and started to hate the new gnome alot, i want it to have it like knoppix
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• 2562[21:36:26] <somiaj> rocketmagnet: I don't think any of those will install compiz by default, but it appears there are some packages like compiz-gnome and compiz-mate.
• 2563[21:36:58] <somiaj> rocketmagnet: do you really want compiz or just an alternative to gnome/kde. there is both mate (gnome2 fork) and cinnimon (some gnome2/3 like alternative from mint)
• 2564[21:37:23] <somiaj> you could also unslect both the desktop enviomrent and not select any one, and then only manually install the pieces you want.
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• 2567[21:40:31] <rocketmagnet> i want to get rid of gnome, i want a simple window manager and have compiz, what would be the best select to install ? i don't know which packages etc. i need to get all setup right
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• 2570[21:41:40] <coruja> then install a simple window manager and compiz after a minimal installation
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• 2572[21:42:17] <rocketmagnet> what you mean by minimal install ? only select debian desktop env. ?
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• 2576[21:43:05] <rocketmagnet> knoppix seems to be what i would like to have
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• 2578[21:43:08] <coruja> select nothing or standard tools (?) only
• 2579[21:43:16] <CDuv_> Question about #PHP packaging into Debian: I want to change PHP's default settings: is it safe to add some "my-settings.ini" file into /etc/php/.../apache2/conf.d ?
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• 2583[21:44:57] <rocketmagnet> what X is installed then ? when i select debian desktop env. i get gnome - does i get X at all if i don't select anything ?
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• 2587[21:45:46] <coruja> rocketmagnet, it will be a cli system only after install
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• 2589[21:46:46] <coruja> and then you may install xorg, $simple_window_manager and compiz
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• 2591[21:47:57] <rocketmagnet> thank you, i think i'll give it a try with xfce, or how is mate when it comes to settings and desktop icons/menubar entries ? gnome3 with shell extensions is realy boring
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• 2595[21:49:38] <Tom_-> rocketmagnet, KNOPPIX is LXDE, you might want to install LXDE
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• 2607[21:54:41] <Sansar> I have been trying too hard to find how to make a different default folder for youtube-dl but can't find it. Anyone knows how to do that?
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• 2612[21:57:03] <ix3> Why is keepassxc not available ?
• 2613[21:57:22] <ix3> Should I stick with keepassx ?
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• 2615[21:58:16] <coruja> Sansar, -o, see manpage for details
• 2616[21:59:41] <coruja> ,v keepassxc
• 2617[21:59:42] <judd> Package: keepassxc on amd64 -- buster: 2.2.4+dfsg.1-1; sid: 2.2.4+dfsg.1-1
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• 2624[22:05:33] <Sansar> coruja: manpage is huge, gosh I wish there was a GUI for that
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• 2627[22:06:53] <coruja> for a more convenient read, manpages are also available online: manpages.debian.org
• 2628[22:07:12] <ix3> It is in sid, from what I can see.
• 2629[22:07:28] <ix3> I would prefer not using unofficial debs.
• 2630[22:07:33] <ix3> replaced-url
• 2631[22:08:10] <coruja> ix3, judd agrees ;)
• 2632[22:08:38] <ix3> I also have no interest using packages from SID.
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• 2648[22:15:22] <jaami___> big problem, the save as dialog box is maximized and there is no way i can click on its title bar or make normal size. what went wrong with it? please help me
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• 2650[22:16:29] <jaami___> does anyone see this message?
• 2651[22:16:59] <jaami___> am i connected to freenode?
• 2652[22:17:04] <annadane> does anyone see your message? yes.
• 2653[22:17:12] <annadane> you are connected to freenode.
• 2654[22:17:14] <jaami___> ahh, thank you
• 2655[22:17:22] <annadane> there is life.
• 2656[22:17:23] <Catelani> Sorry, I've just connected.
• 2657[22:17:44] <jaami___> oh ok. but i need some help
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• 2661[22:18:37] <jaami___> my save as dialog box is maximized and there is no way i can see its title bar or drag its border to make it normal size
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• 2663[22:19:10] <jaami___> is there a shortcut key to make it normal?
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• 2665[22:19:48] <jaami___> is it bad time for questions?
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• 2667[22:20:16] <coruja> save as dialog box of what? and as good advice, be patient
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• 2669[22:20:26] <jaami___> oh thank you
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• 2671[22:20:37] <yomguy> ALT + drag
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• 2674[22:21:12] <jaami___> yes, its save as dialogbox which i can see only when switching among applications otherwise its too maximized that i cannot even see its titlebar
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• 2677[22:21:38] <jaami___> oh ok. thank you. let me try ALT + Drag. please dont go away
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• 2680[22:22:25] <jaami___> hmm, how to drag it? i cannot see its titlebar
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• 2682[22:22:58] <coruja> jaami___, anywhere within the window you want to move
• 2683[22:23:04] <jaami___> really, i dont know how to drag the dialogbox
• 2684[22:23:22] <jaami___> oh, let me try again . please stay with me
• 2685[22:24:02] <coruja> not all of us are cowards like annadane ;)
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• 2687[22:24:44] <jaami___> that is no problem as long as you are there :)
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• 2689[22:25:06] <jaami___> but really, everything is white and cannnot be draged
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• 2691[22:25:46] <jaami___> i see it is a dialogbox to save file because when i click on activities i can see its design
• 2692[22:26:12] <jaami___> otherwise whole screen becomes white when i click on the dialogbox
• 2693[22:26:18] <coruja> again, save as dialog box of what, meaning of which software, desktop?
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• 2696[22:27:13] <coruja> here dialog boxes aren't white everywhere only
• 2697[22:27:21] <jaami___> i have no other program opened for writing files. look like the dialog box is left over
• 2698[22:27:49] <coruja> the just close it (esc mostly)
• 2699[22:27:52] <coruja> then
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• 2703[22:29:17] <areyouloco> hi to more advanced debian users!. I want to build 'crda' and 'wireless-regdb' to have my custom wifi regulatory db. I am building on stretch from clean stretch sources. wireless-regdb builds succesfully but crda fails. here is what I did and some log parts. replaced-url
• 2704[22:29:18] <jaami___> nice , coruja. i pressed escape and its gone. no dialogbox now everything is normal
• 2705[22:30:11] <jaami___> it was strange thing but now i know how to deal with it. :)
• 2706[22:32:01] <jaami___> Thanks a lot.
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• 2708[22:32:29] <coruja> !next
• 2709[22:32:30] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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• 2752[22:50:56] <annadane> i forget, what's the plan for firefox in stable?
• 2753[22:51:08] <Unit193> firefox-esr?
• 2754[22:51:11] <apollo13> stay on esr afaik
• 2755[22:51:21] <annadane> i think esr is due to get a quantum update though
• 2756[22:51:26] <annadane> based on 59 or something
• 2757[22:51:30] <annadane> i heard something like that
• 2758[22:51:32] <apollo13> so?
• 2759[22:51:42] <annadane> so nothing, just wondering if i have it right
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• 2762[22:52:00] <apollo13> well stable is on esr, once a new esr comes out I assume debian will upgrade to it
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• 2764[22:52:10] <apollo13> and yes at some point esr will include quantum
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• 2766[22:52:18] <apollo13> after all esr is just the normal firefox basically
• 2767[22:52:22] <annadane> i had heard that for stretch esr would get updated
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• 2770[22:53:01] <Unit193> I am unaware of Stretch plans, but that would have the drawback of breaking a few extension packages there, sure.
• 2771[22:54:13] <apollo13> Unit193: but imo the only sensible option security wise
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• 2773[22:54:23] <Unit193> apollo13: Yes.
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• 2776[22:55:15] <hxmuller> Hi, what are we using these days for automounting sd card when it's inserted?
• 2777[22:55:43] <nkuttler> !tell hxmuller about automount
• 2778[22:55:58] <apollo13> udev rules?
• 2779[22:55:58] <hxmuller> I tried the old udev approach, but that no longer works with systemd apparently
• 2780[22:56:46] <hxmuller> nkuttler: i wish it would tell me about automount :0
• 2781[22:56:59] <apollo13> udev most certainly works, another option is probably just putting it into /etc/fstab if it has and uuid/label that can get used
• 2782[22:57:10] <nkuttler> hxmuller: check your pm
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• 2786[22:58:25] <hxmuller> nkuttler: thx, found the tab. i'm not using a regular desktop environment
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• 2792[23:03:45] <hxmuller> nkuttler: thx again, out of the four command line options dpkg offered, the only command line option still valid is pmount. the other three, usbmount, halevt, and autofs are dead packages
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• 2830[23:26:15] <hxmuller> anyone know the secret sauce to getting an sd card automounted with systemd? pmount and udev fails to get the job done
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