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• 1[00:00:12] <leba2> Can you tell me how to speak to dpkg? I do want to try asking it doubts about non-free and "external project" packages (i.e., precisely what I just mentioned: multimedia codecs and stuff, graphics drivers, recent versions of mozilla and wine, etc).
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• 4[00:00:58] <klys> how would one unpack and compile this file: replaced-url
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• 9[00:01:42] <klys> I think it has some relationship to the xserver-xorg sources. I don't see any source files in the tarbzll.
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• 14[00:03:19] <TomTomTosch> leba2: dpkg is just a parrot. a dictionary if you will. no talking going on.
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• 17[00:04:13] <TomTomTosch> and an internet search is probably more reliably in most cases.
• 18[00:04:22] <TomTomTosch> s/reliably/reliable
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• 32[00:09:12] <leba2> replaced-url
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• 35[00:09:53] <klys> leba2, gstreamer
• 36[00:11:27] <zxcvce> @leba2 vlc
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• 41[00:14:18] <klys> do I need an upstream Xorg tree or can debian sources do this (compile input drivers) for me?
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• 43[00:14:43] <zxcvce> ubuntu
• 44[00:14:47] <zxcvce> sux
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• 57[00:27:15] <klys> ok I found the sources in /usr/src/input/xf86-input-keyboard-1.8.1 so I did ./configure --prefix=/usr and found the result in ./src/.libs/kbd_drv.so just that this file is substantially bigger than /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/kbd_drv.so
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• 80[00:38:44] <SpikeSpiegel> is it a good idea to run debian sid (unstable) in production ?
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• 84[00:40:08] <themill> SpikeSpiegel: definitely not
• 85[00:40:37] <SpikeSpiegel> themill, ok thanks. btw are you familiar with grsec ?
• 86[00:41:06] <themill> only superficially
• 87[00:41:08] <SpikeSpiegel> im trying to use latest grsec with the stable jessie, but there doesnt seem to be any grsec 4.6 kernel for jessie...
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• 89[00:41:43] <SpikeSpiegel> yes no problem themill i wont ask for specific config issues there anyway. i just want to know where can i get the stable jessie patched with 4.6 kernel grsec version
• 90[00:41:55] <themill> ,i linux-patch-grsecurity2
• 91[00:41:59] <judd> Package linux-patch-grsecurity2 (kernel, extra) in jessie/amd64: grsecurity kernel patch. Version: 3.0+3.14.22-201410250026-1; Size: 3025.9k; Installed: 3054k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 96[00:44:00] <SpikeSpiegel> yes themill thats if i have to compile the kernel myself. which is proving to be a challenge because i've had kernel panics three times on a virtual box. but im talking about installing grsec from apt-get if there is a way
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• 99[00:44:52] <leba2> I'm reading replaced-url
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• 101[00:44:56] <klys> see if grsecurity.net has a deb repo, if not then you have to go upstream.
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• 104[00:46:22] <SpikeSpiegel> ok thanks
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• 113[00:47:40] <manjaro> hi all
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• 115[00:47:59] <klys> welcome to...
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• 121[00:49:20] <leba2> Nevermind; found it. Thanks.
• 122[00:49:29] <leba2> (I HATE the number 9!)
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• 136[01:00:18] <leba2> If jessie/updates and jessie-updates are precisely used for that, *package updates*, how is it that I can install software only with jessie/updates enabled? For example, samba. I did a minimal Debian install, and I already disabled the cdrom repo...
• 137[01:00:30] <leba2> Heck, I can even apt-cache search wine!
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• 139[01:01:45] <themill> why wouldn't you be able to?
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• 145[01:04:05] <leba2> Dunno, perhaps because "updates" should be for packages already installed in system? While jessie distribution should be indeed for newly installed packages?
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• 148[01:04:22] <miesco> ,v gpg2
• 149[01:04:23] <judd> No package named 'gpg2' was found in amd64.
• 150[01:04:26] <miesco> ,v gpg
• 151[01:04:27] <judd> No package named 'gpg' was found in amd64.
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• 153[01:04:33] <miesco> oh I see
• 154[01:04:49] <leba2> And if I'm wrong, what's the point in having 3 different distros in sources list?
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• 156[01:04:53] <themill> leba2: the remote repo doesn't know what packages you have installed on your local machine
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• 158[01:05:07] <leba2> No, I'm *heavily* confused.....
• 159[01:05:10] <miesco> ,v gnupg
• 160[01:05:11] <judd> Package: gnupg on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.4.10-4+squeeze4; squeeze-security: 1.4.10-4+squeeze4; squeeze-security-lts: 1.4.10-4+squeeze7; wheezy-security: 1.4.12-7+deb7u7; wheezy: 1.4.12-7+deb7u7; jessie: 1.4.18-7+deb8u1; stretch: 1.4.20-6; sid: 1.4.20-6; experimental: 2.1.13-5
• 161[01:05:33] <miesco> ,v gnupg2
• 162[01:05:34] <judd> Package: gnupg2 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.0.14-2+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 2.0.14-2+squeeze2; squeeze-security-lts: 2.0.14-2+squeeze3; wheezy-security: 2.0.19-2+deb7u2; wheezy: 2.0.19-2+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 2.0.25-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.0.26-6; stretch: 2.1.11-7; sid: 2.1.11-7; experimental: 2.1.12-1; experimental: 2.1.13-5
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• 164[01:05:38] <miesco> I need gnupg 2.1
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• 166[01:06:09] <miesco> I guess thats not possible
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• 168[01:06:37] <TomTomTosch> leba2: why? all those repos have packages. jessie-updates has newer packages. the security repo has newer packages with security fixes. if you disable one repo you don't get packages from _that_ repo.
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• 178[01:09:06] <TomTomTosch> ,checkbackport gnupg2
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• 180[01:09:16] <judd> Backporting package gnupg2 in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libassuan-dev (>= 2.4.1);Build-Depends-Indep: libassuan-mingw-w64-dev, libgcrypt-mingw-w64-dev, libgpg-error-mingw-w64-dev, libksba-mingw-w64-dev, libnpth-mingw-w64-dev, libz-mingw-w64-dev, win-iconv-mingw-w64-dev.
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• 182[01:10:16] <TomTomTosch> nope.
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• 213[01:39:04] <awal1> Does debian really have around 1000 developers/maintainers?
• 214[01:39:45] <johnkeates> yes
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• 216[01:40:15] <awal1> Thats a f***g gnu/linux army :D
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• 218[01:40:26] <themill> about double that
• 219[01:40:59] <awal1> that's really a lot ;)
• 220[01:41:17] <klys> .
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• 222[01:42:19] <awal1> and all of them working for free bcoz of X reason; and some people crying here why I no have x y
• 223[01:42:43] <themill> Plus there's lots of other contributors to send in translations, test out things, provide support on mailing lists and irc etc.
• 224[01:43:43] <awal1> no easy to supervise/coordinate such big project
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• 229[01:47:50] <awal1> i'm bored bcoz of debian system stability, even the sid branch :P
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• 253[02:01:30] <awal1> I formatted my i386 partition (/dev/sda5) as fat32 thinking in use it as a storage for temporal audio/video contents. Is there a way for auto mount it at boot without playing with fstab stuff?
• 254[02:02:20] <awal1> 200 gb
• 255[02:02:27] <mutante> awal1: playing with fstab is needed to do it automatically
• 256[02:02:46] <mutante> the 'at boot' part if you dont want to do it manually, i mean
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• 258[02:03:01] <mutante> where "playing" is adding like 1 line
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• 261[02:04:03] <awal1> yeah, I knew that, I do it manually via file manager or udisksctl, but I thought it's possible make my system considere it just like any external device (usb...)
• 262[02:04:38] <debidi> awal1: you can use /etc/rc.local
• 263[02:05:16] <awal1> use etc rc.local for do what exactly?
• 264[02:06:13] <debidi> add command to mount the partition
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• 268[02:06:29] <awal1> oh, ok, will google that
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• 271[02:07:39] <awal1> not sure but I think with squeeze all partitions, including non linux - when in dual boot, are mounted automatically; looks like something have changed in udisks
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• 273[02:08:26] <awal1> I dont understand why internal partitions are not mounted automatically but external device yes
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• 439[03:41:30] <debz> idk why it's not in repository anymore
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• 582[05:29:46] <simbalion> Hi, one of my servers always has a long delay when using sudo, even tho the hostname is in /etc/hosts as 127.0.0.1, can someone help?
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• 585[05:30:20] <simbalion> ah nvm found it, it's trying to use ldap
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• 606[05:54:06] <k_sze[work]> apticron just informed me of over 1000 package updates.
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• 694[07:10:38] <catbeard> anyone know how to make this a dkms so it compiles itself into kernel updates - replaced-url
• 695[07:10:54] <_FBi> I'm on a VPS, and my partition is encrypted. From my VPS control panel, Reconfigure NEtwork won't work. Is there any tutorials on getting IPv6 in Debian 8 64-bit available?
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• 712[07:22:49] <xstation> how to install tor on debian
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• 1002[10:43:35] <nanooo> hello
• 1003[10:43:44] <nanooo> :D
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• 1010[10:45:31] <nanooo> quick question: I compiled ffmpeg myself and installed via checkinstall, now apt-get upgrade always wants to "upgrade" to the ffmpeg package... how can I tell apt-get to stick with my version and leave it alone? output of apt-cache policy ffmpeg: replaced-url
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• 1014[10:47:58] <Iridos> why didn't you take at least the debian packge e.g. from sid and change things in that
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• 1019[10:48:37] <Iridos> and apt-get only wants to upgrade the package if its version is the same version or older than what is in the repo
• 1020[10:49:08] <Iridos> thats even dmm
• 1021[10:49:13] <Iridos> judd, versions ffmpeg
• 1022[10:49:14] <judd> Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security-lts: 4:0.5.10-1+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.6-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.17-2+deb7u2; jessie-backports: 7:3.0.2-4~bpo8+1; stretch: 7:3.0.2-4; sid: 7:3.1.1-2; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1; sid-multimedia:
• 1023[10:49:15] <judd> 10:3.1.1-dmo2
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• 1025[10:50:22] <Iridos> nanooo, the best way to solve that is to backport the 7:3.1.1-2 from sid
• 1026[10:50:35] <Iridos> dpkg ssb
• 1027[10:50:35] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 1028[10:51:38] <Iridos> there's also the hackish answer... using checkinstall for something that is already correctly packaged is already hackish... the hackish answer is to set the package on hold
• 1029[10:51:46] <nanooo> never considered it I guess...
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• 1031[10:52:08] <Iridos> and I give it a 50-70% chance that you'll regret the hackish solution
• 1032[10:52:22] <nanooo> :D
• 1033[10:53:11] <Iridos> partly because holding a package is a bit messed up in debian up to jessie (I think things have been fixed recently)
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• 1035[10:54:11] <Iridos> and partly... you'll forget the hold and wonder why apt refuses to upgrade stuff
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• 1037[10:54:27] <nanooo> kk I'll do the backports solution. I've never used build-dep and apt-get -b before so thats a nice practice :)
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• 1040[10:55:30] <Iridos> ,checkbackport ffmpeg
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• 1042[10:55:43] <judd> Backporting package ffmpeg in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual, jessie-backports.
• 1043[10:55:53] <Iridos> nanooo, should be easy
• 1044[10:56:01] <nanooo> so is there a way to fiddle with the configure options after fetching the source?
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• 1046[10:56:32] <Iridos> yeah... I usually try to build a regular one with apt-get -b source first
• 1047[10:57:01] <Iridos> then you can switch into the tree, change stuff and call dpkg-buildpackage yourself
• 1048[10:57:07] <nanooo> dpkg deb-src sid
• 1049[10:57:07] <dpkg> You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the sid release is: "deb-src replaced-url
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• 1052[10:57:41] <nanooo> alright I'll give it a shot :)
• 1053[10:57:43] <Iridos> dpkg, package recompile
• 1054[10:57:44] <dpkg> 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
• 1055[10:58:52] <nanooo> these judd and dpkg guys are awesome btw :D
• 1056[10:58:56] <Iridos> mmh. that one seems to be missing that you should update the changelog... and give it a new somehow higher version
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• 1060[11:00:23] <nanooo> what does -dmo2 mean after the ffmpeg version number?
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• 1062[11:00:48] <Iridos> debian multimedia oxygen?
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• 1064[11:01:05] <Iridos> debian molti media 1 and 2?
• 1065[11:01:34] <Iridos> dunno what the o is
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• 1067[11:01:57] <nanooo> kk
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• 1069[11:02:46] <nanooo> dpkg bdo
• 1070[11:02:47] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
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• 1072[11:03:38] <Iridos> do /msg dpkg bdo if it's not something to be discussed here, that's less spammy in the channel (specially when it's busy)
• 1073[11:04:28] <themill> the o in dmo is for .org
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• 1076[11:04:40] <grindon> Hi!
• 1077[11:04:54] <themill> Iridos: the <debian/rules> xref talks about changelog entries
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• 1081[11:06:52] <Iridos> yeah, a bit.. but I still think this is better:
• 1082[11:06:55] <Iridos> dpkg, package recompile =~ s/ask me about <debian.rules>;/set a <unique package version>/;
• 1083[11:06:55] <dpkg> Iridos: that doesn't contain 'ask me about <debian.rules>;'
• 1084[11:07:04] <Iridos> slashes are my downfall
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• 1086[11:07:56] <themill> and the factoid would then be too long
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• 1089[11:08:42] <Iridos> what?
• 1090[11:09:17] <nanooo> how do I make sure that apt-get -b grabs the sid sources?
• 1091[11:10:42] <Iridos> "set <unique package version>" is exactly the same length
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• 1093[11:11:23] <Iridos> <packagename>=<version> or add -t sid (or -t unstable, whatever you have in your sources.list)
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• 1095[11:11:57] <Iridos> hm. or whatever apt-cache policy thinks it should be
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• 1098[11:13:10] <nanooo> I'm on jessie and would like to have 3.1.1 from jessie. following above I added sid deb-src, apt-cache policy only shows jessies version
• 1099[11:13:20] <nanooo> *3.1.1 from sid
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• 1102[11:15:21] <themill> Iridos: except skipping out the cross reference to debian/rules is not a good edit
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• 1105[11:15:57] <Iridos> themill, it is, because <unique package version> is more to the point and references back to <debian/rules>
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• 1109[11:16:53] <Iridos> nanooo, something like... apt-get update; apt-cache showsrc ffmpeg | grep ^Version:
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• 1114[11:18:40] <Iridos> themill, it is all the more, because right now the factoid references <debian/rules> twice, which... although I didn't want to mention it... sucks :P
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• 1116[11:19:58] <Iridos> is there some simple trick to not have firefox put the url, page title, 1 of XX and the date/time on a printout?
• 1117[11:20:18] <petemc> some pages have a print option
• 1118[11:20:19] <themill> rabbit warren :(
• 1119[11:20:59] <jim> Hi, I'm looking to get in touch with a dd named Daniel Baumann,,, is he still a dd?
• 1120[11:21:18] <themill> jim: bug reports go to the bts, discussions go to mailing lists
• 1121[11:21:50] <jim> and conversations with particular people?
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• 1125[11:23:00] <Iridos> seems like this: replaced-url
• 1126[11:23:01] <jim> it's not a bug, it's a few questions about a package he used to maintain (around 2009)
• 1127[11:23:03] <fredl> good god....
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• 1129[11:23:08] <fredl> more exim problems
• 1130[11:23:15] <fredl> although I'm not sure if it's exim's fault
• 1131[11:23:46] <Iridos> it's probably the freemasons
• 1132[11:23:51] <nanooo> hm Iridos, I thought this would be easier :D... replaced-url
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• 1134[11:24:09] <fredl> I agree, freemasons
• 1135[11:24:12] <fredl> or muslims.
• 1136[11:24:15] <fredl> One or the other
• 1137[11:24:19] <nanooo> apt-cache shows the source from sid but apt-get source doesnt like it
• 1138[11:24:22] <Iridos> nanooo, that was not the full command I gave you
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• 1140[11:24:43] <Iridos> I had a grep that would reduce all that to the Version:s
• 1141[11:25:06] <jim> themill, I think I'd like to have a conversation with him, before I commit any kind of public comment (having said that, it's not a secret or anything)
• 1142[11:25:40] <fredl> great, EHLO smtp.3dn.nl is fine for Microsoft's mailserver, but EHLO 'smtp.3dn.nl' is not
• 1143[11:25:44] <themill> jim: if they're no longer the maintainer that's probably because they no longer want to maintain the package and there are now better people to talk to
• 1144[11:26:13] <themill> nanooo, Iridos: wait, why are you trying to compile ffmpeg?
• 1145[11:26:32] <Iridos> no idea why he wants to do it
• 1146[11:27:35] <nanooo> I need ffmpeg with avisynth support and would like to have the latest version of it
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• 1148[11:27:56] <jim> ffmpeg (from the debian package) seems to work fine for the jobs I put it to
• 1149[11:27:59] <nanooo> I had it compiled myself and installed with checkinstall, but Iridos pointed out that this was stupid
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• 1152[11:28:21] <Iridos> I didn't say it that way! I think I used the term "a bit hackish"
• 1153[11:28:30] <nanooo> yeah :D
• 1154[11:28:53] <jim> nanooo, I don't like the word "stupid", it's hostile. let's just say it's easy to get, already compiled
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• 1157[11:29:18] <fredl> pain in the ass GRRR
• 1158[11:29:51] <petemc> running a mailserver is a pita
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• 1162[11:30:41] <nanooo> well then I figured that backport compile thing is interesting, I've never done it before so I'd like to test it to get some practice
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• 1171[11:32:15] <jim> nanooo, ok, that's easy, and it's worth figuring out the workflow to build a package (that's what it would be, is building the package)
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• 1175[11:32:39] <nanooo> but then apt-get wont grab me the sid source: replaced-url
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• 1179[11:33:14] <jim> do you have deb-src lines in your sources.list that refer to the sid repos?
• 1180[11:33:47] <Iridos> jim, I had never said "stupid"!
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• 1183[11:33:53] <nanooo> I've put it in sources.list.d/sources-sid.list and ran apt-get update
• 1184[11:34:03] <jim> I didn't say you did :)
• 1185[11:34:05] <nanooo> Iridos never said stupid
• 1186[11:34:26] <Iridos> then I guess we're all set on that topic :P
• 1187[11:34:31] <nanooo> my brain told me that was kind of stupid, since there is a more "debian" way to do it
• 1188[11:34:47] <nanooo> and now I would like to learn it
• 1189[11:34:51] <jim> ok
• 1190[11:35:00] <jim> that's easy, and worth doing
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• 1193[11:35:42] <jim> what you -might- do first, is build the one that's for your dist (stable? testing?)
• 1194[11:35:55] <Iridos> it's easy if the build dependencies can be satisfied from stable... else... but else building from a tarball from the official website is just as hard
• 1195[11:36:37] <nanooo> yes jim, I'm on stable
• 1196[11:37:05] <jim> just to make it easy, and avoid errors that have to do with jumping versions, so you can have success with the -workflow-, so you can try duplicating it on other packages, or other versions of those packages
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• 1198[11:37:25] <jim> howbout building the stable one first?
• 1199[11:37:58] <jim> the basic advantage, is that you'll learn the steps, and they'll all work
• 1200[11:38:17] <Iridos> they should all work for the one from sid, too
• 1201[11:38:22] <themill> the problem is obtaining the right source package, not building it
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• 1203[11:38:55] <Iridos> jim, and there is no ffmpeg package in stable, so actually, it wouldn't work with stable
• 1204[11:38:58] <jim> themill, yes, they should, but that's not guaranteed
• 1205[11:39:08] <themill> jim: look at the paste.
• 1206[11:39:19] <jim> which one?
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• 1208[11:39:56] <jim> nanooo's?
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• 1210[11:40:23] <Iridos> heh. Picking 'ffmpeg-dmo' as source package instead of 'ffmpeg'
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• 1212[11:40:50] <jim> ,v ffmpeg
• 1213[11:40:51] <judd> Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security-lts: 4:0.5.10-1+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.6-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.17-2+deb7u2; jessie-backports: 7:3.0.2-4~bpo8+1; stretch: 7:3.0.2-4; sid: 7:3.1.1-2; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:3.1.1-dmo2
• 1214[11:41:20] <jim> howbout the jessie-backports one?
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• 1216[11:42:29] <Iridos> nanooo, remove debian-multimedia from sources.list or sources.list.d/* , run apt-get update and then go again
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• 1218[11:43:06] <nanooo> that wont break anything if I have couple of multimedia packages installed?
• 1219[11:43:11] <Iridos> themill, that's a funny bug. I saw the same... it seems to happen with deb dmm but no deb-src dmm
• 1220[11:43:30] <Iridos> nanooo, no. you can add it back in afterwards if you like
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• 1223[11:45:12] <Iridos> using dmm at all can break things
• 1224[11:45:15] <jim> what about building packages from (say) testing... when you get the build depends, is it helpful to do -t testing?
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• 1226[11:46:03] <nanooo> I have bad experience with testing :D had to reinstall my system because I accidentally ran dist-upgrade while having testing in the sources :D
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• 1228[11:46:42] <jim> nanooo, yeah, that can happen
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• 1230[11:47:22] <jim> deb-src lines to the sources in testing, should point at the source packages
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• 1233[11:47:51] <nanooo> why is debian-multimedia bad?
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• 1237[11:49:38] <jim> who said it's bad?
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• 1239[11:50:01] <nanooo> Iridos said it can break things
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• 1245[11:52:51] <Iridos> it's just not the main repo... it's a debian dev making it, but without all the other people checking on it... and he sometimes has to do funny stuff because it's not one of the debian repos
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• 1248[11:53:56] <Iridos> like the bug we just hit... his ffmpeg uses ffmpeg-dmo as source package... so apt-get decided that ffmpeg-dmo is the name of the source package, not ffmpeg. but the source package in testing/unstable is called ffmpeg... and on the other hand there is no ffmpeg in stable
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• 1251[11:54:24] <Iridos> so having dmm enabled broke "apt-get source ffmpeg"
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• 1253[11:54:58] <nanooo> right, so I removed debian-multimedia, apt-get update, I also removed the sid source and added jessie-backports instead
• 1254[11:55:22] <nanooo> apt-get source still wants to grab ffmpeg-dmo
• 1255[11:55:25] <Iridos> just build the sid one?
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• 1257[11:55:53] <Iridos> you didn't run apt-get update, as I said
• 1258[11:56:18] <nanooo> I did
• 1259[11:56:26] <themill> at some stage, using dget to fetch the source package is simplest
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• 1266[11:57:56] <nanooo> duh, I still had ffmpeg installed
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• 1273[11:59:27] <jim> that -should- be ok (that is you can still build ffmpeg of whichever version you have the source package for, while you have a binary package of it installed at the same time
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• 1277[12:00:25] <Iridos> themill, heh
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• 1279[12:01:08] <Iridos> jim, yes... but if it was the one from dmm, it might have been sufficient to trigger a transation to the wrong source package name
• 1280[12:01:39] <nanooo> jim, having the debian-multimedia package installed, apt-get source wanted to grab ffmpeg-dmo source so that was the issue
• 1281[12:02:12] <nanooo> now everything is fine and compile the package is super easy
• 1282[12:02:44] <Iridos> that source package translation thing is a really weird bug
• 1283[12:02:57] <Iridos> if one can even call it a bug :(
• 1284[12:04:10] <TomTomTosch> -t sid should work too me thinks.
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• 1286[12:04:38] <nanooo> if I have only the deb-src line in sources -t sid is not recognized
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• 1289[12:05:31] <jim> that's probably an answer also to my earlier question
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• 1291[12:05:46] <nanooo> is there an easy way to get rid of the build-dep after compilation?
• 1292[12:05:46] <Iridos> yeah... I noticed that, too
• 1293[12:06:20] <Iridos> copy the packages it installs for it and remove them afterwards?
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• 1295[12:06:59] <Iridos> I generally see them as a way towards getting a quite complete build environment installed and leave them
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• 1297[12:08:33] <jim> earlier someone mentioned dget for source, I think it was themill
• 1298[12:08:56] <Iridos> yes
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• 1310[12:13:33] <J-BBB> Hi, I updated the php (jessie) and now I get the error -> Cannot load Zend OPcache - extension already loaded
• 1311[12:13:38] <J-BBB> bug known?
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• 1316[12:14:56] <J-BBB> after running /usr/lib/php5/sessionclean
• 1317[12:15:07] <jim> sheesh. apt-cache search dget is about as useful as a barrel in very close proximity to niagra falls
• 1318[12:15:28] <TomTomTosch> hah, interesting. apt-get source git/stable and apt-get source git/sid work for me.
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• 1320[12:16:32] <nanooo> dpkg deb-src testing
• 1321[12:16:32] <dpkg> You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the testing release is: "deb-src replaced-url
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• 1324[12:16:46] <jim> ,v dget
• 1325[12:16:50] <judd> No package named 'dget' was found in amd64.
• 1326[12:17:28] <nanooo> dpkg deb-src sid
• 1327[12:17:28] <dpkg> You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the sid release is: "deb-src replaced-url
• 1328[12:17:59] <TomTomTosch> nanooo: /msg dpkg <factoid> to do it privately.
• 1329[12:18:05] <nanooo> sorry
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• 1331[12:18:50] <TomTomTosch> i never noticed that /target_release worked differently from -t target_release
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• 1333[12:21:22] <nanooo> TomTomTosch, not matter what I do, /sid or /stable it always grabs the stable source
• 1334[12:21:24] <Iridos> I wasn't even aware of /target_release (anymore... now that you mention it I remember faintly seeing it)
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• 1339[12:22:02] <TomTomTosch> nanooo: do you even have bot deb-src lines?
• 1340[12:22:04] <Iridos> jim, dget is in devscripts (I have it installed... but you could use apt-file search bin/deget to find it)
• 1341[12:22:09] <TomTomTosch> s/bot/both
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• 1343[12:22:39] <nanooo> yeah just added them
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• 1347[12:24:37] <jim> Iridos, thanks... I thought I had that... it must be cause I switched from 32b-64b
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• 1349[12:25:09] <nanooo> hah, funny it works for the ffmpeg package
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• 1357[12:27:58] <Iridos> nanooo, if it's *still* a problem... maybe as themill suggested dget --build replaced-url
• 1358[12:28:07] <jim> Iridos, shoulda done the find bin/dget first
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• 1361[12:29:15] <jim> devscripts have a few deps :)
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• 1364[12:29:50] <nanooo> just another workflow question, how do I check if build dependencies are met/not met on a stable system if grabbing sources from sid?
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• 1366[12:30:23] <TomTomTosch> nanooo: /msg judd checkbackport <pkg> for example.
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• 1371[12:31:49] <nanooo> how does he now that I'd like to backport from sid :O
• 1372[12:32:00] <TomTomTosch> or 'aptitude build-dep <pkg>' if you mean how to actually install all build deps.
• 1373[12:32:29] <TomTomTosch> sid->jessie is the default option for checkbackport. /msg judd help checkbackport for more info.
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• 1375[12:32:41] <nanooo> thanks TomTomTosch :)
• 1376[12:32:49] <TomTomTosch> no problemo
• 1377[12:32:51] <nanooo> and thanks Iridos
• 1378[12:32:52] <jim> I guess he's also looking to find a way to check (which judd can do)
• 1379[12:33:03] <nanooo> and thanks jim
• 1380[12:33:14] <nanooo> awesome chatroom here
• 1381[12:33:43] <jim> there are lots of those... There is a bot, alis, that can assist you in looking for channels on the Freenode irc net. To start, /msg alis help
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• 1452[13:13:25] <Iridos> ‽
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• 1457[13:18:00] <Anonymes> I installed Steam on Debian Jessie and I installed libc.sc.6 but always Steam show this
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• 1459[13:18:57] <Anonymes> replaced-url
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• 1461[13:19:24] <babilen> How did you install steam and libc.sc.6 (guess so.6)
• 1462[13:19:27] <teraflops> what's libc.sc.6
• 1463[13:19:36] <babilen> A typo
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• 1466[13:19:56] <teraflops> but it this a debian package?
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• 1470[13:20:43] <teraflops> i mean it looks like he copied a random library by hand, if not ignore my ignorance
• 1471[13:20:49] <babilen> teraflops: It is indeed (libc6) -- Rather importanty
• 1472[13:21:10] <babilen> Anonymes: So, how did you install steam and "libc.sc.6" ?
• 1473[13:21:35] <teraflops> babilen: my point is that libc is _already_ installed
• 1474[13:21:52] <babilen> It is indeed, but not the i386 multiarch one. Hence my questions.
• 1475[13:22:00] <teraflops> ah right
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• 1477[13:22:22] <babilen> Anonymes seems to have gone silent though
• 1478[13:22:29] <teraflops> ^
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• 1482[13:25:11] <Anonymes> I download Steam and install with dpkg -i command and I do this for libc.so.6 when I download this from website. I
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• 1488[13:27:46] <Anonymes> replaced-url
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• 1490[13:28:14] <TomTomTosch> Anonymes: don't do that, man...
• 1491[13:28:31] <tremon> udebs are for the installer, not installed systems
• 1492[13:29:00] <Anonymes> Why?
• 1493[13:29:15] <tremon> check replaced-url
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• 1500[13:31:36] <babilen> Anonymes: Where did you down it from?
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• 1503[13:31:51] <babilen> Anonymes: And yeah .. why not install the normal Debian package as documented on the wiki
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• 1505[13:32:14] <teraflops> Anonymes: because it tends to break your system…
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• 1507[13:32:21] <babilen> I wonder what installing that udeb fucked up
• 1508[13:32:22] <TheCookieMonster> NEEEEED MORREEE COOOOOKIIEESSSS
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• 1510[13:32:32] <babilen> TheCookieMonster: Not here
• 1511[13:32:43] <TomTomTosch> me is hoping he didn't press enter.
• 1512[13:32:49] <TheCookieMonster> babilen: where can i get the cooookkkiiiieeesssss?
• 1513[13:32:53] <TheCookieMonster> if not heeeeere?
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• 1517[13:33:09] <teraflops> TheCookieMonster: cookies are by there →
• 1518[13:33:11] <unborn> can someone ban him?
• 1519[13:33:16] <babilen> TheCookieMonster: This is a technical support channel. Please play elsewhere.
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• 1522[13:33:58] <hexhaxtron> Can I have several .iso files in /boot/iso/ and have a menu entry for each of them in the GRUB menu?
• 1523[13:34:07] <teraflops> hexhaxtron: yes
• 1524[13:34:20] <unborn> ...thanks babilen
• 1525[13:34:24] <ChrisH> Grub can boot ISO Images?
• 1526[13:34:29] <teraflops> yes
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• 1528[13:34:44] <hexhaxtron> teraflops, can you tell what a menu entry would look like?
• 1529[13:35:02] * ChrisH learned somehting new today
• 1530[13:35:09] <teraflops> hexhaxtron: you mean visually, or are you asking me about setting it up?
• 1531[13:35:24] <hexhaxtron> I need your help to set it up.
• 1532[13:35:35] <teraflops> hexhaxtron: did you googled for it? it's pretty trivial
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• 1534[13:35:45] <hexhaxtron> I did but no luck...
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• 1537[13:36:49] <tremon> hexhaxtron: replaced-url
• 1538[13:36:53] <hexhaxtron> teraflops, I got about 50 links in purple.
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• 1540[13:37:08] <babilen> Anonymes: Did you actually install that udeb?
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• 1542[13:37:50] <teraflops> hexhaxtron: something like this replaced-url
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• 1544[13:38:08] <unborn> steam - is that games?
• 1545[13:38:32] <tremon> hexhaxtron: the problem is that grub does not load itself into resident memory. Yes, it can read and load from iso. But it does not emulate a cd-rom drive, so once the iso is booted, it must know to read the iso itself
• 1546[13:38:41] <chaddy> unborn: largely
• 1547[13:38:42] <teraflops> hexhaxtron: hybrid images boot fine that way, I cannot assure you windows iso are going to boot that way since I never tried it
• 1548[13:39:26] <unborn> chaddy: thanks for confirmation.. at least I know what discussions I would not join ;)
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• 1555[13:40:50] <chaddy> games is fun!¹¡
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• 1557[13:41:55] <chaddy> unborn: there is also Steam OS, which is a Debian derivative... its main purpose is to play games, obvs
• 1558[13:42:04] <unborn> creating scripts is fun, updating and debugging is even more fun.. perhaps Im too old for games.. - oh games.. I love it - with girls in some other places.. you know.. that is fun ;)
• 1559[13:42:16] <unborn> chaddy: ^^^
• 1560[13:42:57] <TomTomTosch> glad that we cleared that up...
• 1561[13:42:59] <babilen> Try to focus on technical support in here and innuence like that is quite inappropriate
• 1562[13:43:09] <babilen> *innuendo naturally
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• 1565[13:44:13] <teraflops> hexhaxtron: please mind talking in the general chat?
• 1566[13:44:21] <hexhaxtron> teraflops, sure!
• 1567[13:45:03] <hexhaxtron> teraflops, can you guide me step by step? I got a USB Stick and an iso called pcunlocker.iso in /boot/iso/
• 1568[13:45:12] <hexhaxtron> What should I do now?
• 1569[13:45:27] <nanooo> argh, why is it that debian-multimedia wants to "upgrade" existing packages (with higher version number) to the dmo version (lower version)?
• 1570[13:45:38] <unborn> hexhaxtron: ctrl+q
• 1571[13:45:40] <Anonymes> babilen: no I installed this dwo days ago
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• 1574[13:46:08] <TomTomTosch> no_maam: we can tell you if you give us the package with full version number.
• 1575[13:46:19] <TomTomTosch> sry, nanooo ^
• 1576[13:46:38] <teraflops> hexhaxtron: hmm, not really, i kindly suggest you yo try it by yourself, and if you get stuck you ask here about concrete errors youre getting
• 1577[13:46:53] <MaBunny> guys can you tell me how to run Debian Jessie on Android without root
• 1578[13:47:00] <nanooo> output of apt-get -V upgrade: replaced-url
• 1579[13:47:05] <unborn> nanooo: ive been here all day.. been seeing your posts.. in global what is the issue you have? coz to me it seems to be generally - nothing to do with debian.. can you please tell us globally what on the earth is your issue?
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• 1581[13:48:39] <chaddy> nanooo: something like this> replaced-url
• 1582[13:48:53] <nanooo> unborn, no issue in particular, just trying to clean my system and learn something new... sorry to bother you
• 1583[13:49:07] <chaddy> sorry, s/ nanooo / MaBunny /
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• 1585[13:49:46] <teraflops> !debian-multimedia
• 1586[13:49:47] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
• 1587[13:49:53] <teraflops> nanooo: ^
• 1588[13:49:55] <TomTomTosch> nanooo: kept-back packages mean that not all dependencies for the new package could be satisfied. sometimes apt-get dist-upgrade will force this change, but i would be careful as this could potentially be damaging.
• 1589[13:50:11] <unborn> nanooo: you dont have to be sorry - this does not make me feel sorry or anything.. one great thing. how did you install it onto your system?
• 1590[13:50:41] <unborn> besides - what you try to clean it up...
• 1591[13:51:13] <TomTomTosch> nanooo: replaced-url
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• 1595[13:52:07] <nanooo> alright I'll throw away debian-multimedia :D - all good
• 1596[13:52:18] <unborn> ...he is all day about stuff which does not work for anyone coz mods and other crap on working system, perhaps he have some excuse to be like it perhaps he dont know that there are other distros to try too..
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• 1598[13:53:05] <unborn> nanooo: just use what project is using - you will never have troubles.. simple.. do not break debian..save your self time and have some - coffee ;)
• 1599[13:53:30] <TomTomTosch> he is free to ask his questions here. not sure what you are on about.
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• 1601[13:53:46] * nanooo is going to grab a coffee
• 1602[13:53:54] <unborn> TomTomTosch: sure...I aint say anything about asking..
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• 1604[13:54:36] <teraflops> so it's like: hey use whatever floats your goat but at your own risk. doing things that are explicitly ill-adviced and then asking for help it's just big ereplaced-url
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• 1606[13:55:42] <unborn> TomTomTosch: the questions was - if you use anything outside of debian - why not ask original developer for help but coming here... clear is origin will be more helpful then all of us.
• 1607[13:55:52] <teraflops> also spoodfeeding and handholding does not mean: learn something new.
• 1608[13:55:55] <unborn> I hope so this made you sure what I am about..
• 1609[13:56:15] <MaBunny> chaddy: i hav a problem with GNURoot Debian actually
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• 1611[13:56:18] <teraflops> spoon*
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• 1613[13:56:33] <MaBunny> i had installed it a month ago and then uninstalled it
• 1614[13:56:35] <unborn> yeah spoonfeeding :) exactly teraflops
• 1615[13:56:53] <TomTomTosch> all this talk is much more noisy than his questions.
• 1616[13:57:00] <MaBunny> now when i try to reinstall it from Google Play Store it downloads completely but doesnt install
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• 1619[13:57:26] <transhuman> is there an addin for gnome that allows one to run diffferent desktops as different users?
• 1620[13:57:36] <chaddy> MaBunny: that's not really a Debian issue...
• 1621[13:57:44] <teraflops> TomTomTosch: sorry I had to say it, since I read the same thing like 10 times everyday. now I shut up
• 1622[13:58:09] <transhuman> kinda like OSX does
• 1623[13:58:29] <MaBunny> chaddy: if you could perhaps tell me their support channel,then i could inform them of my issue
• 1624[13:58:53] <teraflops> transhuman: it's called DM (as in gdm, lightdm and so on)
• 1625[13:59:38] <transhuman> if you do it that way each session doesnt stay running, correct?
• 1626[14:00:02] <chaddy> MaBunny: replaced-url
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• 1629[14:00:12] <teraflops> transhuman: I guess so
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• 1632[14:00:28] <MaBunny> ok...i was telling an irc channel maybe...but ok
• 1633[14:00:29] <nanooo> well not everybody is familiar with best practices and stuff, I'm sure you weren't born with the skills you have now... I tend to break things and then have to fix it or reinstall and in that process I'm getting more and more familiar with the system and learn stuff... jesus ^^
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• 1635[14:00:31] <transhuman> there lies the problem,
• 1636[14:00:44] <chaddy> MaBunny: I was being _very_ sarcastic
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• 1638[14:01:16] <teraflops> transhuman: sorry I misread, each session stay running
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• 1640[14:01:25] <MaBunny> soory chaddy
• 1641[14:01:30] <chaddy> ;)
• 1642[14:01:56] <teraflops> transhuman: it's extremely easy to check it btw
• 1643[14:02:05] <transhuman> teraflops (your saying it doesnt log out? or are you saying you misread my inital post?)
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• 1645[14:02:14] <transhuman> right ok I will check but I am almost sure it does not
• 1646[14:02:25] <teraflops> transhuman: switch of user does not mean logout
• 1647[14:02:41] <transhuman> oh ok thanks then that will work
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• 1653[14:06:41] <transhuman> teraflops, thanks I just found this replaced-url
• 1654[14:06:42] <unborn> TomTomTosch: with all respect - if there is too much noise regards the question - perhaps you do support it.. I would say same - seeing this crap every day here then as support chat develops more I usually found out that its not debian issue at all and most of the times I am unable to help it as user would a break debian system isntall or b it would make his system unstable.. if that is noise for you - feel free to be active on those thing as much as yo
• 1655[14:06:42] <unborn> u can.. im out too.
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• 1657[14:07:43] <unborn> perhaps I will get ban.. at least I said this out - finally and loudly
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• 1659[14:08:15] <teraflops> transhuman: that will work too, perhaps I misread your question, that way be sure the user that startx is different from the actual one.
• 1660[14:08:48] <transhuman> yes I never thought it would be that easy...thanks for the help
• 1661[14:09:00] <teraflops> np
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• 1663[14:10:15] <teraflops> transhuman: you may want a custom .xinitrc for each user then
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• 1666[14:10:42] <teraflops> since startx in debian relies in alternatives system unless you have a ~/.xinitrc
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• 1668[14:11:02] <transhuman> ok i will look into this
• 1669[14:12:16] <teraflops> in case you want e.g kde for that user when you do startx while the current one is doing gnome
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• 1671[14:14:06] <transhuman> got it thanks
• 1672[14:14:11] <teraflops> transhuman: I may be wrong but I think I'm right, I just dont do xorg with my debian machines apart from a couple of VMs
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• 1688[14:22:37] <MaBunny> chaddy: where do i download DebianKit apk,its not on google play store
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• 1691[14:23:17] <chaddy> MaBunny: you actually want me to google that for you?
• 1692[14:23:24] <MaBunny> no ok
• 1693[14:24:12] <chaddy> MaBunny: have you tried, on android, deleting data/cache from the GNU/Root app?
• 1694[14:24:25] <MaBunny> yes...everything
• 1695[14:24:40] <chaddy> perhaps you just don't have space...?
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• 1697[14:25:33] <unborn> :)
• 1698[14:25:51] <MaBunny> no,i hav atleast 500mb
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• 1742[14:45:22] <unborn> babilen: - im not sure.. can you reply? massive thanks.
• 1743[14:45:49] <iLogic> good mornin y’all
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• 1746[14:47:31] <unborn> iLogic: good evening to you ;)
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• 1749[14:50:04] <blawiz> i do 'sudo mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdc1' and it seems to stop at "Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information:" (at least for over 15m), wtf?
• 1750[14:50:15] <petemc> how large ?
• 1751[14:50:39] <petemc> is the the partition
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• 1754[14:51:03] <blawiz> petemc: 1TB
• 1755[14:51:10] <blawiz> could usb3 be at fault?
• 1756[14:51:16] <unborn> meh that will take time :))
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• 1758[14:51:48] <toruvinn> blawiz, i'd suggest iostat to check if anything's being written to the device (probably it is!)
• 1759[14:51:49] <blawiz> replaced-url
• 1760[14:51:54] <blawiz> dmesg log
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• 1763[14:52:14] <toruvinn> oh
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• 1768[14:53:14] <blawiz> installing iostat :]
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• 1770[14:53:50] <TehRabbitt> morning :P
• 1771[14:54:11] <toruvinn> blawiz, considering your dmesg, something's definitely not going right, but i never used uas on linux ;-p
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• 1773[14:54:23] <hexhaxtron> teraflops, I can't do it... Can you have a look? replaced-url
• 1774[14:54:27] <TehRabbitt> So does anybody know if security,debian.org is down?
• 1775[14:54:43] <TehRabbitt> I can ping google, and access other sites from this one debian server, but I can't do an apt-get update
• 1776[14:55:05] <blawiz> toruvinn: ah ok :]
• 1777[14:55:13] <TehRabbitt> it could be the server
• 1778[14:55:16] <TehRabbitt> just trying to rule things out
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• 1784[14:57:18] <tremon> I can connect succesfully to replaced-url
• 1785[14:57:33] <tremon> not sure if that is by design
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• 1787[14:57:57] <rozie> tremon: do you have apt-transport-https installed?
• 1788[14:58:13] <tremon> no, have not
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• 1790[14:58:35] <tremon> but I was trying in my browser, not through apt
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• 1792[14:59:07] <rozie> ahm, true
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• 1796[14:59:38] <TehRabbitt> thanks
• 1797[14:59:45] <TehRabbitt> It's something internal here I think.
• 1798[14:59:55] <TehRabbitt> Just wanted to make sure, since I couldn't access it from 2 different boxes
• 1799[15:00:30] <TehRabbitt> another question, i'm running these boxes on VMWare, I get "sda3: WRITE SAME failed. Manually Zeroing" every once and a while.
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• 1801[15:00:46] <TehRabbitt> what is this exactly? because it's a virtual drive and not a physical one that supports that specific microcode?
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• 1803[15:01:19] <tremon> seems to be: replaced-url
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• 1805[15:02:24] <TehRabbitt> tremon, yeah, I saw that... I assume it's just because since it's not a physical disk, it's issuing ATA commands and the virtual disk is like "WTF I don't support that function"
• 1806[15:02:44] <TehRabbitt> so debian / the kernel is smart enough to just manually do it via the kernel rather than relying on the disk to do it
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• 1808[15:03:00] <TehRabbitt> Just wanted to see if anyone knew more about it
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• 1810[15:03:13] <tremon> a virtual disk could support that command just fine, vmware just haven't implemented it :)
• 1811[15:03:23] <TehRabbitt> tremon, ah :P lol
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• 1813[15:03:48] <tremon> it seems to be a new ata command to zero out a large disk region
• 1814[15:03:49] <TehRabbitt> tremon, so it's really just up to VMWare / whoever to add support for that command so that it can be offloaded from the OS
• 1815[15:03:59] <TehRabbitt> tremon, Ah :P makes sense
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• 1817[15:04:22] <TehRabbitt> I guess it's similar to how operating systems like to offload TCP to the network card's processor rather than using cpu cycles to handle it
• 1818[15:04:37] <TehRabbitt> however if the card doesn't support the command, it's forced to do it in CPU
• 1819[15:04:56] <teraflops> hexhaxtron: why dont you write a /etc/grub.d/40_custom file? if you dont do it that way every update-grub will erase your config
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• 1827[15:06:24] <tremon> TehRabbitt: replaced-url
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• 1833[15:08:36] <TehRabbitt> tremon, that's pretty cool... I mean it makes sense... and yeah, I just saw the alerts and was a bit worried at first, I guess it's just saying "Oh Hey, so your virtual drive doesn't support this *optimized* command, so I gotta do it the old-fashioned way and burn some CPU cycles"
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• 1835[15:08:49] <TehRabbitt> (though I doubt it's really that much of a performance decrease)
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• 1838[15:09:06] <hexhaxtron> teraflops, done. replaced-url
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• 1840[15:10:29] <teraflops> hexhaxtron: with errors are you getting? it doesnt find the so file?
• 1841[15:10:30] <TehRabbitt> it'd be interesting to do a benchmark one of these days on a system that supports WRITE SAME. let it do the benchmark, and then disable WRITE SAME, rerun the benchmark and see if there is actually a performance impact between the two on writes.
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• 1843[15:10:31] <teraflops> iso*
• 1844[15:10:47] * TehRabbitt puts it on his to-do list
• 1845[15:10:51] <teraflops> ^which* srry
• 1846[15:11:08] <hexhaxtron> teraflops, it doesn't show anything. I press Enter to choose the entry and it's like nothing happened.
• 1847[15:11:24] <teraflops> hexhaxtron: did you re-run update-grub?
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• 1852[15:13:20] <hexhaxtron> teraflops, 2 minutes.
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• 1854[15:14:50] <hexhaxtron> teraflops, same thing. After pressing Enter it just loads the boot menu again like nothing happened.
• 1855[15:15:50] <teraflops> hexhaxtron: you do uefi or good old BIOS MBR?
• 1856[15:15:59] <hexhaxtron> I'm using BIOS MBR.
• 1857[15:16:02] <teraflops> k
• 1858[15:16:07] <TehRabbitt> anyone ever set up a debian repo?
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• 1863[15:17:35] <benycze> hi .. anyone with experience about skypeforlinux alpha?
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• 1876[15:21:47] <teraflops> hexhaxtron: try this one replaced-url
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• 1896[15:26:31] <hexhaxtron> teraflops, it complained about casper/vmlinuz not found and 'you need to load kernel first'.
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• 1905[15:27:14] <pettter> hellow folks, I'm having very weird networking problem - in short: packets show up in e.g. wireshark, but doesn't seem to go further up the stack
• 1906[15:27:34] <pettter> meaning no DHCP OFFER received by dhclient
• 1907[15:27:58] <pettter> and even if I set the IP address manually, no ARP working
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• 1911[15:28:19] <petemc> pettter: is the link negotiated?
• 1912[15:28:47] <pettter> ifconfig claims UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST
• 1913[15:28:53] <petemc> look in dmesg
• 1914[15:29:14] <pettter> "link up"
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• 1917[15:30:00] <petemc> but a packet capture on that interface shows traffic?
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• 1921[15:30:19] <pettter> yes, and it even shows the responses to the things I send
• 1922[15:30:35] <pettter> like DHCP DISCOVER and ARP RESOLVE
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• 1926[15:31:35] <petemc> so whats not working?
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• 1931[15:32:15] <physcx> heyyy
• 1932[15:32:18] <pettter> petemc: well, dhclient and arping for example
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• 1934[15:32:28] <physcx> wait what is someone there???
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• 1936[15:32:41] <pettter> simply put, I can see the packets in the capture, but they don't seem to get up the stack
• 1937[15:33:16] <physcx> ????
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• 1941[15:35:06] <petemc> pettter: what happens when you configure a static address and try to ping a host in the same subnet ?
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• 1946[15:36:01] <pettter> petemc: Destination Host Unreachable (since ARP doesn't work)
• 1947[15:36:16] <f0f4r> any knows the different between php5-apcu php5-apc ?
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• 1950[15:36:51] <teraflops> hexhaxtron: is boot a partition or is inside / ?
• 1951[15:37:03] <hexhaxtron> teraflops, it's inside /
• 1952[15:37:05] <teraflops> ^just a folder
• 1953[15:37:09] <hexhaxtron> Yes.
• 1954[15:37:56] <pettter> (though, as noted, I can see the ARP responses fine in wireshark)
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• 1959[15:38:32] <teraflops> hexhaxtron: so your root is hd0,1 right?
• 1960[15:38:39] <hexhaxtron> Yes.
• 1961[15:38:41] <teraflops> hmm
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• 1990[15:52:54] <setuid> I'm trying to create a preseed file for an automated install, and it works except the very first prompt for Language. Once I select that interactively, then choose "Install", the rest of the automation takes over.
• 1991[15:53:15] <setuid> I've passed locale=en_US in my kernel append line in isolinux/txt.cfg, and remastered the iso, didn't help
• 1992[15:53:24] <setuid> Has anyone managed to get this working? Suggestions from Google are not working
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• 1994[15:54:54] <hexhaxtron> teraflops, any progress?
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• 2011[16:05:10] <setuid> hrm, seems to be working now
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• 2026[16:10:00] <setuid> damn, not working
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• 2036[16:18:14] <babilen> setuid: Could you paste your preseed file?
• 2037[16:18:19] <babilen> → replaced-url
• 2038[16:18:20] <pflanze> Hello. For some reason no randr based tool (nor any other I've tried) is able to configure the resolution or other things on the VGA port of my ThinkPad X200 laptop.
• 2039[16:18:36] <setuid> babilen, one sec, it's large, let me cut down the commented bits
• 2040[16:18:43] <pflanze> Looks like perhaps it's running the wrong xorg driver?
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• 2043[16:20:11] <setuid> babilen, replaced-url
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• 2047[16:20:24] <babilen> setuid: replaced-url
• 2048[16:20:38] <babilen> (kernel command line)
• 2049[16:20:53] <setuid> RIght, let me try that
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• 2052[16:21:10] <setuid> My kernel append is:
• 2053[16:21:25] <setuid> file=/cdrom/preseed/unattended.seed auto=true priority=critical locale=en_US language=en console-setup/ask_detect=false console-setup/layoutcod=us netcfg/get_hostname=maas-test netcfg/get_domainname=maas initrd=/install/initrd.gz -
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• 2056[16:23:37] <babilen> setuid: We also have "d-i localechooser/supported-locales multiselect en_GB.UTF-8, en_US.UTF-8" in the preseed file
• 2057[16:23:44] <setuid> Didn't work, still prompts me for the language menu right before the install selection menu
• 2058[16:24:11] <babilen> "console-setup/layoutcod=us" ?
• 2059[16:24:17] <babilen> Is that an exact paste?
• 2060[16:24:24] <setuid> yes
• 2061[16:24:29] <setuid> er, typo... fixing now ;)
• 2062[16:25:19] <setuid> wait, that's not in my fille at all
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• 2064[16:25:26] <babilen> Which version of Debian is this?
• 2065[16:25:41] <babilen> You had it in your kernel append (as per above)
• 2066[16:25:45] <setuid> what the... hold on a sec
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• 2071[16:26:37] <setuid> Fixing the typo didn't help
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• 2075[16:28:00] <setuid> babilen, It's an ubuntu server, but the using the standard debian installer
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• 2078[16:28:52] <cruncher> pflanze, so you dont use a dm?
• 2079[16:29:12] <babilen> setuid: You should then, naturally, seek support in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server as #debian only supports Debian
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• 2082[16:29:31] <setuid> in most cases, I'd agree, but they're no help, btdt
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• 2086[16:30:03] <onyxrisc> is slimjet browser available on debian?
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• 2089[16:30:47] <babilen> setuid: Well, then install Debian on your server (but #ubuntu-server should be slightly less clueless)
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• 2093[16:31:09] <Sepultura> hallo
• 2094[16:31:24] <Sepultura> how to change placeholder for Password input in Debian?
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• 2096[16:31:39] <Sepultura> I want to make it ******* instead of empty
• 2097[16:31:42] <babilen> setuid: It's channel policy and it would be much appreciate if you could accept it. We are all volunteers and I'm here also because I want to help Debian and its users
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• 2102[16:32:53] * setuid knows, I've been here for > 17 years
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• 2110[16:35:53] <setuid> I wonder if I can do the normal install, then check question.dat, to see what it saw me select
• 2111[16:36:17] <babilen> You can .. but please .. → #ubuntu{,-server}
• 2112[16:36:27] <setuid> Already in there, asked and idling
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• 2115[16:36:55] <setuid> This same preseed file will be reused to build Debian kvm hosts as well, just starting with ubuntu for now, but the installer and preseed are going to be identical
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• 2139[16:47:05] <intothemountains> Is it somehow possible to have wpa_supplicant to make a dhcp query on connection?
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• 2146[16:49:31] <afernandez_> Any one uses wireshark here?
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• 2148[16:50:45] <ChrisH> !ask
• 2149[16:50:45] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 2153[16:52:06] <onyxrisc> does anyone know if slimjet browser is compatible/available on Debian Jessie?
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• 2155[16:53:46] <cruncher> onyxrisc, for the "available" part: you can check for packages on replaced-url
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• 2157[16:54:42] <afernandez_> Could not execute web browser: " %s"
• 2158[16:54:43] <afernandez_> "Failed to execute child process "replaced-url
• 2159[16:54:45] <afernandez_> Please correct the web browser setting in the Preferences dialog.
• 2160[16:54:51] <afernandez_> I get that
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• 2165[16:55:03] <afernandez_> and how do i add an interface to it?
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• 2169[16:56:39] <ChrisH> afernandez_: What are you doing? I personally capture my traces using tcpdump,snoop depending on the OS and use wireshark on existing captured files like: wireshark -n -r capture-file
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• 2199[17:07:43] <hexhaxtron> None.
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• 2478[19:00:40] <leba2> In expert install, when reaching the specify online mirrors part I'm asked what protocol to use, whether http or ftp. It suggests http, but I have seen commented default ftp examples in sources lists if seelcting not to specify online mirrors.
• 2479[19:00:49] <leba2> Should I just pick http anyway?
• 2480[19:01:22] <teraflops> I always pick http never had an issue
• 2481[19:01:38] <greycat> Nobody should ever voluntarily choose FTP, ever, for anything.
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• 2483[19:03:46] <jjulian> are there devices for which udev rules are not able to apply?
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• 2496[19:06:39] <leba2> greycat: for learning purposes, what's generally bad about ftp sir?
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• 2498[19:06:49] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 2503[19:08:27] <MaBunny> Hey guys
• 2504[19:08:55] <MaBunny> how do i change a user interminal
• 2505[19:09:08] <MaBunny> *in a terminal
• 2506[19:09:15] <module000> MaBunny: change them how?
• 2507[19:09:21] <greycat> What change do you want to make?
• 2508[19:09:25] <MaBunny> I hav created a user
• 2509[19:09:49] <MaBunny> Greycat i meanlogin from one to another user
• 2510[19:09:53] <peewhy> su <user>
• 2511[19:09:55] <greycat> su or sudo
• 2512[19:10:00] <MaBunny> *mean user
• 2513[19:10:03] <MaBunny> Ok
• 2514[19:10:13] <module000> and if you haven't typed either of those commands before(su or sudo), start with `man su` and `man sudo`
• 2515[19:10:26] <MaBunny> Silly question
• 2516[19:10:38] <MaBunny> I hav used su b4
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• 2518[19:11:09] <MaBunny> Ok thnx greycat
• 2519[19:11:09] <MaBunny> :)
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• 2522[19:12:57] <leba2> So I should better use http in general. Thanks.
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• 2527[19:14:22] <Sir_Designer> leba2 you should use secure protocols when possible: sftp, scp
• 2528[19:14:40] <greycat> This is in the context of selecting a mirror for sources.list.
• 2529[19:14:58] <Sir_Designer> https
• 2530[19:15:00] <greycat> The mirror choices are replaced-url
• 2531[19:15:37] <leba2> Sir_Designer: and d-i doesn't give a https option, onlt http and ftp. Unless I loaded some other thing beforehand to d-i, but I'm still more of a normal user.
• 2532[19:16:51] <greycat> It's pointless to use https for Debian mirrors. The security is in the package signatures, not in the transfer protocol.
• 2533[19:16:57] <greycat> http can be more easily cached than https.
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• 2536[19:17:27] <leba2> ^ Ooooooohhhhhhhh
• 2537[19:17:34] <greycat> In the last 2 years there has been this massive PUSH for https among people. I still don't understand why. It's harder, more complicated, and less efficient, and you almost never need to encrypt your web traffic.
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• 2539[19:17:56] <greycat> All I've gotten out of it are broken fucking pastebin sites that I can no longer use from half the browsers in Debian.
• 2540[19:18:04] <leba2> I've always believed, even when one has the obligation of read, it's always better to have an expert's (or sapient's) hand additionally.
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• 2542[19:18:22] <greycat> That INCLUDES replaced-url
• 2543[19:18:31] <leba2> *of reading
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• 2557[19:29:43] <TomTomTosch> some just like to obscure their traffic. nothing wrong with that.
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• 2560[19:30:19] <greycat> If it all *worked* in reality, that might be true.
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• 2563[19:31:24] <TomTomTosch> so you already expect the next ssl security breach? :P
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• 2566[19:32:14] <greycat> "elinks replaced-url
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• 2568[19:32:33] <greycat> I don't even mean security breaches. I mean Shit. Does. Not. Even. Connect.
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• 2570[19:33:25] <lgsm72> how to change default window manager to OpenBox ?
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• 2572[19:34:01] <greycat> update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
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• 2574[19:36:20] <lgsm72> like root greycat ?
• 2575[19:36:29] <greycat> Obviously as root.
• 2576[19:36:36] <lgsm72> thanks
• 2577[19:36:40] <greycat> If you just want to change your own PERSONAL session, you configure it by editing your dot files.
• 2578[19:36:52] <greycat> Or whatever the hell *dm uses in place of dot files.
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• 2580[19:37:28] <leba2> d-i does NOT force GRUB into EFI's removable media path by default, right?
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• 2592[19:41:03] <leba2> ?
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• 2599[19:43:29] <leba2> d-i does NOT force GRUB into EFI's removable media path by default, right?
• 2600[19:44:15] <greycat> if you don't get an answer here, try asking #debian-boot on OFTC.
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• 2607[19:47:16] <leba2> Ok, ok, understood. Thanks.
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• 2616[19:51:33] <McF> Hi, where may i download old debian-repository files ?
• 2617[19:51:48] <leba2> I apologize for bringing this again, but I could not understand very well. I always thought jessie, jessie-updates and jessie/updates served different purposes. But in one installation, where I didn't specify mirrors for lists and thus I had only jessie/updates, I could find all available software (except non free)!
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• 2619[19:52:08] <greycat> !archive
• 2620[19:52:08] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see replaced-url
• 2621[19:52:10] <leba2> If only one distro (and the security updates one!) is enough, what's the point of the others?
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• 2626[19:52:47] <sypher> leba2: How many times do you expect people here to explain this to you???
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• 2629[19:53:09] <greycat> infinity
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• 2631[19:54:18] <McF> Hi, where may i download old debian-repository files ?
• 2632[19:54:52] <greycat> !archive
• 2633[19:54:52] <dpkg> it has been said that archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see replaced-url
• 2634[19:55:10] <McF> greycat: stop it, are you talking to me ?
• 2635[19:55:17] <greycat> Not any more. *plonk*
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• 2637[19:55:32] <TomTomTosch> leba2: jessie-updates inclued packages that will later be included in the point release. mostly usability fixes. jessie/updates from the security repo is where the security team pushed their fixes.
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• 2639[19:56:12] <TomTomTosch> leba2: you can leave either one out, but you don't get the fixes then.
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• 2649[19:58:52] <leba2> Which is why I thought, if wanting to install new packages (samba, wine, non-free, etc) I'd need to have jessie or jessie-updates distros enabled, not just jessie/updates; and if just enabled jessie/updates it'd complain about missing repos if trying to install new packages. But it didn't.
• 2650[19:58:56] <user65465165> so I gotta question. How do I add xscreensaver's background process as a startup service?
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• 2652[19:59:20] <user65465165> The debian based distro I'm using did not have it by default, so I added xscreensaver manually
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• 2654[19:59:37] <leba2> I'm not doubtful about what each distro list is for. I'm angry at the behavior.
• 2655[19:59:42] <user65465165> How would I get the service to start so the "no xscreensvaer running on this display" message goes away?
• 2656[20:00:57] <TomTomTosch> leba2: why would it complain about missing packages. they contain a subset of the jessie repo, just newer versions. if you get angry and hung up on trivial stuff you are going to have a bad time.
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• 2658[20:01:08] <greycat> leba2: if you're using jessie, there are THREE sources.list lines (deb lines, not deb-src lines), but only ONE distribution: jessie.
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• 2665[20:03:17] <leba2> greycat, TomTomTosch: believe me, I have already experimented *bad times* just like you say, and still I do. But it's not my least intention of bothering, so this will be the last time I ask, don't worry.
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• 2668[20:03:38] <leba2> It's just that google was not enough.
• 2669[20:03:45] <leba2> This time.
• 2670[20:03:49] <user65465165> How do I create a startup entry for the xcscreensaver service?
• 2671[20:03:51] <greycat> You're allowed to ask questions about Debian here.
• 2672[20:04:16] <leba2> Yes, but I know bothering is not allowed anyehere.
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• 2675[20:04:34] <leba2> So I'm trying hard to understand once and for all with the least number of tries.
• 2676[20:04:42] <leba2> It's even a matter of respect.
• 2677[20:04:53] <leba2> *anywhere
• 2678[20:05:04] <greycat> What are you asking? Why there are 3 lines instead of just 1?
• 2679[20:05:40] <user65465165> Are my IRC settings wrong? Can anyone see what I'm typing? (Just making sure, had problems with that in the past)
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• 2681[20:05:54] <TomTomTosch> your irc settings are fine.
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• 2683[20:06:07] <user65465165> Mkay. Just checking. :D
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• 2685[20:06:17] <teraflops> user65465165: the problem here is about you not using debian
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• 2687[20:06:35] <greycat> That's one of the problems, yes.
• 2688[20:06:52] <teraflops> is there a factoid for this matter?
• 2689[20:06:56] <greycat> !based on
• 2690[20:06:56] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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• 2692[20:07:01] <leba2> Well, given I'm still given few last chances, yes, I'm trying to comprehend why jessie/updates alone is enough to install whole new packages, considering it is *just* a subset of jessie, and probably jessie-updates as well.
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• 2694[20:07:14] <teraflops> greycat: yeah
• 2695[20:07:17] <user65465165> Got it. I'l find the correct place to ask. Thanks for the tip.
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• 2697[20:07:41] <greycat> leba2: ... you're asking why there are packages in the jessie/updates repository?
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• 2699[20:07:56] <greycat> what do you mean "whole pacakges"?
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• 2704[20:08:51] <greycat> Gah, I don't know why people have started calling security.debian.org "jessie/updates". Its' confusing as hell.
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• 2707[20:09:00] <greycat> It's*
• 2708[20:09:37] <greycat> security.debian.org, aka "jessie/updates", has packages in it. This is what repositories do. They have pacakges in 'em.
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• 2711[20:09:45] <greycat> I don't know what the question is.
• 2712[20:10:05] <TomTomTosch> probably where the dependencies are taken from.
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• 2717[20:10:59] <leba2> From what I did read, each of lists' 3 lines serves a purpose (even already mentioned here). So I thought, out by logic, each of those purposes should be separate for each distro. I.e., jessie could not ship security updates, jessie/updates could only hand small security packages, etc. Otherwise Debian would *only* need one universal distro line to install *everything* possible.
• 2718[20:11:25] <greycat> What do you think you mean when you write the letters "distro"?
• 2719[20:11:32] <greycat> I can't parse your sentences.
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• 2721[20:12:29] <leba2> greycat: I greatly apologize. "Distro": my abreviation of "distribution". "Distribution": replaced-url
• 2722[20:12:44] <greycat> So you actually mean "repository".
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• 2724[20:13:40] <leba2> Well, I assumed that was correct given that link calls jessie, jessie-updates, jessie-updates "distributions."
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• 2727[20:14:08] <leba2> Why? Have no idea, but I absolutely won't question that, else I'd get banned.
• 2728[20:14:24] <greycat> Now you are just making shit up. I'm reading the page right now.
• 2729[20:14:37] <greycat> "The 'distribution' can be either the release code name / alias (wheezy, jessie, stretch, sid) or the release class (oldstable, stable, testing, unstable) respectively."
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• 2738[20:16:13] <sharp15> anyone have experience with owncloud on debian? its clients refuse to connect to the server but the browser does just fine.
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• 2740[20:16:48] <TomTomTosch> are we getting hung up on terminology now? is it important what they are calles? all three lines are part of a complete jessie.
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• 2742[20:17:10] <TomTomTosch> s/calles/called
• 2743[20:17:14] <greycat> I'm still trying to figure out what the question is.
• 2744[20:17:29] <leba2> TomTomTosch: well, I did think correct terminology was always important, and not just for getting help, but everywhere.
• 2745[20:17:53] <TomTomTosch> "why can i install packages with only jessie-updates enabled" is what i got out of it.
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• 2748[20:18:08] <greycat> Because it's got packages in it.
• 2749[20:18:11] <greycat> You can install those packages.
• 2750[20:18:50] <unborn> sharp15: own could - very poor experience here.. even own developer left if.. you better be with seafile.. there was some internal issues with owncloud which I was even part of.. basically if you want to keep your files own - dont use owncloud being said.. I very strongly suggest to you using seafile..
• 2751[20:19:06] <greycat> If the real question is "why can I comment out the main jessie repository and still have a semi-functional system" then ... uh ... maybe security.d.o has got a LOT of packages in it. Enough for a system to not completely lose its mind.
• 2752[20:19:22] <leba2> greycat: yes, that was exactly my question. Now the answer left me indeed very surprised. Why? Because of what I tried to expose earlier.
• 2753[20:19:35] <greycat> But the real answer is "Why the fuck are you commenting out your main repository. Stop that."
• 2754[20:19:42] <leba2> ^ Mmmm Aaaaahhhhhh
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• 2756[20:21:02] <leba2> Well, I was not commenting the other 2 lines actually. I was trying to work with an *absolute* minimal Debian at the beginning (by not installing standard system utilities and not specifying mirrors for lists), and foudn out it was not very practical even for a basic server.
• 2757[20:21:10] <leba2> ^ greycat
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• 2759[20:21:33] <dontknow> my font rendering broke after updating iceweasel to firefox. stable my ass. i had to reinstall os
• 2760[20:21:34] <unborn> stop breaking debian with own cloud - someone should remove that package from debian already.. and others should read what own cloud - fucking - does.. just do not use it..
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• 2762[20:21:53] <greycat> Tell us what it does. Tell dpkg.
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• 2764[20:22:19] <unborn> sea file much better..!!!
• 2765[20:22:30] <sharp15> unborn: i don't see any reporting of your comment. wiki just says the dev left.
• 2766[20:23:15] <leba2> greycat, TomTomTosch: "maybe security.d.o has got a LOT of packages in it. Enough for a system to not completely lose its mind." <--- This makes logic the most. Thanks. No more paranoia nor bothering. Just will enable all 3 basic repos including non-free for each. Thanks.
• 2767[20:23:19] <sharp15> *wiki means wikipedia. sorry.
• 2768[20:23:56] <unborn> sharp15: oh yeah.. did I mentioned that the main - the person who knew best left due to personal reasons and conflicts with - what it is actually? - perhaps I did not.. google it..
• 2769[20:24:01] <leba2> Because, non-free includes all multimedia, graphic drivers, Oracle, etc stuff, right?
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• 2771[20:24:15] <greycat> unborn: if you have a reference to bad behavior on the part of the owncloud software or its developers, it would be interesting to read at least
• 2772[20:24:38] <greycat> leba2: there are multimedia pacakges, drivers, databases in main.
• 2773[20:24:53] <greycat> Almost all of the Debian pacakges are in main. contrib and non-free are TINY.
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• 2777[20:26:32] <leba2> Ok, ok. Thanks. No more bothering about this.
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• 2780[20:27:29] <leba2> In my defense (if it serves a bit), I also got very carried out because I also hoped to someday be able to use Debian as normal user desktop like I used openSUSE.
• 2781[20:27:56] <unborn> greycat: as php dev - I reference to php.. and I strongly suggest to anyone to not install that crap ware. if done so, in start user would install other vulnerabilities along with crappy cms.. thats whats my words.
• 2782[20:28:03] <leba2> I.e., a common desktop user.
• 2783[20:28:26] <leba2> For which repositories played a crucial role!
• 2784[20:29:01] <greycat> leba2: I'm reading this as "I assumed Debian worked like OpenSUSE and that I would have to continually fuck around with sources.list to make things work." Well, Debian is not like that. Debian just works (usually, 99.9% of the time).
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• 2788[20:29:04] <unborn> - i have no other things to say.. user can see it by him self what I am talking about.. I did warn him already :)
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• 2791[20:30:11] <unborn> owncloud is rubbish and everyone know it..
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• 2796[20:31:12] <sharp15> is there a way to identify dependencies on debian? on gentoo it would be 'equery depends <package-atom>'
• 2797[20:31:44] <TomTomTosch> sharp15: apt-cache show <pkg> for example
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• 2801[20:32:37] <greycat> You can also try "apt-cache depends pkgname" but the format is a bit weird.
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• 2803[20:32:57] <unborn> ** everyone should really read the main dev words.. personal issues regards privacy and final packages on system.. if you do php and have poke around - you will soon find out.. own cloud is not even main package of debian so - if its supported by apt-get install cool if not - fuck that.. thats what I would say.
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• 2805[20:33:29] <greycat> ,v owncloud
• 2806[20:33:31] <judd> Package: owncloud on amd64 -- jessie-security: 7.0.4+dfsg-4~deb8u3; jessie: 7.0.4+dfsg-4~deb8u4
• 2807[20:33:59] <greycat> That's... a short list. Was it removed, or was it renamed in later releases?
• 2808[20:34:20] <unborn> ..it will soon or later...
• 2809[20:34:45] <greycat> C'mon, take pity on people like me who have never heard of this package and are just curious.
• 2810[20:35:22] <leba2> <greycat> leba2: I'm reading this as "I assumed Debian worked like OpenSUSE and that I would have to continually fuck around with sources.list to make things work." Well, Debian is not like that. Debian just works (usually, 99.9% of the time).
• 2811[20:35:26] <leba2> ^ HHHOOOORRRAAAYYY
• 2812[20:35:36] <TomTomTosch> are you talking about the dev that left the project to start his own derivate? i would take his words with a grain of salt.
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• 2817[20:37:21] <unborn> leba2: you assumed wrong debian is not like opensuse - no .. debian is 99.9 - just work out of the box whatever it may be - it just works..
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• 2820[20:38:33] <leba2> Now I understand yet more why d-i is by default mostly automated.
• 2821[20:38:41] <unborn> TomTomTosch: again I am talking that dev left due to personal issues like privacy and other stuff. the creator it self.. if you look at the code, soon or later you would realised what it is about.
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• 2824[20:40:01] <TomTomTosch> right...
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• 2828[20:40:30] <unborn> have anyone installed recently that crap on its own srv and watched what actual php-s does to it? - perhaps Im wrong.. but that should be out from debian it self..
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• 2831[20:41:12] <greycat> I'm still curious why judd only shows it being in jessie, not in ANY other release.
• 2832[20:41:20] <leba2> It's hard to learn a different distro in just a few couple of days (yes, it is for me)
• 2833[20:41:22] <TomTomTosch> then do a report for whatever malicious activity you have found.
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• 2838[20:43:16] <unborn> TomTomTosch: I did - year ago when this was reported by someone else.. what do you thing was happen.. (fucking) nothing.. why? i have no idea.. but if you do google it around your eyes will get pocked right a way..not only from us (phps)...but from normal users too..
• 2839[20:43:29] <TomTomTosch> #816376
• 2840[20:43:30] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2841[20:43:34] <TomTomTosch> greycat: ^
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• 2845[20:44:58] <leba2> Er, excuse me, if I'm not very comfortable with aptitude or synaptic, which should I better start learning to use, apt or apt-get? Or even both!?
• 2846[20:44:59] <sharp15> i guess i'll just stick with sftp. much simpler.
• 2847[20:45:16] <sypher> leba2: Is Google blocked for you or something?
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• 2850[20:45:37] <greycat> leba2: nobody can tell you which one you will prefer. Try them and find out.
• 2851[20:45:48] <leba2> Network is indeed *quite* slow right now, but I understood the point. Thanks.
• 2852[20:45:54] <unborn> I see no issues if guys here will support it.. its not my job to decide.. I had to only say that own cloud is very bad.. and I did this.. rest of it - its not up to me :)
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• 2855[20:46:14] <greycat> It has been removed from Debian according to the bug that TomTomTosch linked to.
• 2856[20:46:33] <unt182> hello, i have a problem, i cannot join the domain of my office, could you help me to fix it?
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• 2862[20:47:24] <unborn> unt182: sure.. talk to your ict department
• 2863[20:47:30] <njumdl2014> In the webpage(replaced-url
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• 2865[20:47:34] <TomTomTosch> unborn: we get it. mycloud bad because something php.
• 2866[20:47:44] <unborn> domain means business.. ask them as they rule out
• 2867[20:47:47] <jhutchins> leba2: The differences in command line usage for apt, apt-get, and aptitude are insignificant.
• 2868[20:47:58] <greycat> njumdl2014: those three pacakges combined *ARE* the debianized source code of this package.
• 2869[20:48:01] <greycat> err, three files
• 2870[20:48:04] <unt182> ahahaha!!! unborn !! anyone here knows how to use debian
• 2871[20:48:05] <abrotman> njumdl2014: you'd ask the Kali channel, not us
• 2872[20:48:06] <AvocetVIS> need a hand re-building a two drive, raid0 array in rescue mode
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• 2875[20:48:25] <unborn> unt182: so you know.. so use it..
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• 2878[20:48:57] <unt182> unborn, i don't know how to join a domain, i tried several times searching and setting up but without success
• 2879[20:49:02] <unt182> could you help me?
• 2880[20:49:03] <unborn> unt182: domain is corporation setup for windows.. nothing against it.. but as admin for networks like this - ask them.
• 2881[20:49:15] <abrotman> not just for Windows
• 2882[20:49:20] <njumdl2014> replaced-url
• 2883[20:49:20] <unt182> i mean on my debian laptop
• 2884[20:49:22] <abrotman> you can use domains with SMB
• 2885[20:49:33] <abrotman> njumdl2014: We're still not hte Kali support channel
• 2886[20:49:35] <unborn> as I said - ask them. they did design it. they will know how to help you.
• 2887[20:49:38] <unt182> i need to log-in into debian with my username that i use in my office
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• 2889[20:50:07] <unt182> i mean... i know the domain name... but the procedure to join it in debian...cannot understand
• 2890[20:50:11] <njumdl2014> Kali is based on Debian, and the package rule is the same with Debian I think.
• 2891[20:50:15] <abrotman> njumdl2014: no
• 2892[20:50:16] <njumdl2014> So I ask help here.
• 2893[20:50:21] <unborn> everyone from ict should realise that.. its not debian issue ;)
• 2894[20:50:25] <greycat> Why can't the Kali channel answer you?
• 2895[20:50:28] <abrotman> njumdl2014: ask the kali channel, not us, we support Debian here. This is not up for debate
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• 2897[20:50:37] <njumdl2014> Ok
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• 2899[20:50:47] <abrotman> Thank you
• 2900[20:50:51] <unt182> so...anyone can help me?
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• 2902[20:51:09] <unborn> unt182: not me thats for sure..
• 2903[20:51:19] <jhutchins> What's the current reputation of th3 4.6 kernel vs 4.4?
• 2904[20:51:23] <abrotman> unt182: There tons of docs in Google about doing this.
• 2905[20:51:32] <abrotman> unt182: there's also #samba if you get stuck
• 2906[20:51:33] <unt182> i tried many guides
• 2907[20:51:39] <unt182> but without success abrotman
• 2908[20:51:41] <abrotman> unt182: then show us what you tried, and what the errors are
• 2909[20:51:49] <abrotman> us, not me
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• 2913[20:52:13] <unt182> when i join the domain, i have the following message
• 2914[20:52:21] <abrotman> !paste
• 2915[20:52:22] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 2916[20:52:40] <unt182> kinit: KDC reply did not match expectations while getting initial credentials
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• 2940[20:59:10] <CutMeOwnThroat> wasn't there some simple way to record from an application by... re-routing output into a microphone sink with pulse?
• 2941[21:00:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> with pavucontrol?
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• 2951[21:05:24] <teraflops> CutMeOwnThroat: you can do it with parec
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• 2958[21:06:37] <teraflops> replaced-url
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• 2962[21:09:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> there's of course screencast programs...
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• 2966[21:10:35] <CutMeOwnThroat> thanks...
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• 2974[21:14:58] <tjt263> hey i was playing around with arp-poisoning, dns-spoofing, etc. earlier and {about an hour}later on i noticed my debian laptop couldn't resolve any addresses or even ping 8.8.8.8 for instance. is this a direct result of what i was messing around with earlier?
• 2975[21:15:02] <tjt263> if so, what is the remedy? im thinking it must have something to do with the arp-cache ( and/or dns-cache.. ( that's a thing, right? ) )
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• 2977[21:15:21] <tjt263> i have a feeling /sbin/dhclient might have been the culprit, but i couldn't seem to kill it
• 2978[21:15:43] <tjt263> i actually ended up doing an /etc/init.d/network-manager restart to fix it, FYI, but that is kind of a broad stroke
• 2979[21:16:02] <teraflops> reboot, if it still persists look at your shell history and un-do whatever you did for making it persistent
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• 2983[21:16:54] <tjt263> its fine now, it actually killed the conneection to chat.freenode.net, but im back on
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• 2985[21:17:55] <tharkun> tjt263: /etc/resolv.conf netstat -pantu mtr -r are several tools you can use when you get this kind of problems.
• 2986[21:18:06] <tjt263> i just wanted to know more about the (debian) specific internal networking mechanisms involved
• 2987[21:18:23] <tjt263> tharkun: sweet
• 2988[21:18:29] <tharkun> dig +trace (check the man page) can also shed light on such isues.
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• 2990[21:19:02] <tjt263> ah i did try dig but i didnt know about the +trace
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• 3007[21:24:37] <donoban> I want to install Debian on an existing server with a mdraid10, should I destroy it and create aanother with the debian installer or would be better reuse it?
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• 3027[21:31:40] <tharkun> donoban: feel free to experiment but then if you have an mdraid10 speaks you are looking for certainty on your set up. I would go with a fresh install there. YMMV
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• 3030[21:32:57] <donoban> tharkun: but I would like to avoid the build time, I don't have too much experience with mdmraid but first time I did one it took some hours
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• 3037[21:34:47] <tharkun> donoban: Your choice, your server, your time. You have all the variables at your disposition. Whatever the decisition you make you are the sole responsable for it. Just know the caveats of each one of your decisition options.
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• 3043[21:36:11] <donoban> hehe, but do you know some idea about what I should have to do? Should I go to different tty and start the raid before reach the device selection on the installer?
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• 3079[21:53:30] <sypher> donoban: You do realize that the raid build completes while the install proceeds and the system is running, yes?
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• 3081[21:53:47] <cheapie> Are there any MFM or RLL controllers that work with Debian, provided an ISA slot is available?
• 3082[21:53:54] <donoban> I don't have idea sypher :\
• 3083[21:54:03] <sypher> Now you do. :)
• 3084[21:54:12] <donoban> when I did this raid I waited until it was completed
• 3085[21:54:29] <donoban> nice, so I only will have some performance penalty until it finishes?
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• 3094[21:57:12] <sypher> donoban: Correct.
• 3095[21:57:33] <donoban> nice, so I will let the installer do it, ty sypher
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• 3098[21:59:42] <tharkun> donoban: Check the matching part of the installation manual. Although sypher is correct he/she might want to play you a prank that you will never forget. :)
• 3099[21:59:58] <tharkun> !unix_lessons
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• 3101[22:00:21] <jhutchins> cheapie: Better to ask if there are any that do not.
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• 3107[22:01:08] <jhutchins> cheapie: Which, as far as I know, there aren't.
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• 3109[22:01:34] <jhutchins> cheapie: However, a motherboard with an ISA slot is probably going to be pretty old 32b.
• 3110[22:01:38] <cheapie> jhutchins: So any random MFM controller should work?
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• 3112[22:01:50] <jhutchins> cheapie: Yes.
• 3113[22:01:52] <cheapie> OK.
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• 3115[22:02:21] <cheapie> As far as providing an ISA slot, I do already have that taken care of. I have a box capable of running Debian that has 3 ISA slots in it.
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• 3134[22:11:08] <intothemountains> Is it somehow possible to have wpa_supplicant to make a dhcp query on connection?
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• 3168[22:25:40] <Zliba> i'm using qemu and it says ""switching console to com0""
• 3169[22:26:02] <miesco> I am looking to find out what LUKS is.
• 3170[22:26:14] <Zliba> qemu-system-x86_64 -m 512M -cdrom <cdrom.iso> -hda /dev/sda -curses
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• 3175[22:27:08] <sypher> miesco: What have your searches on the internet revealed?
• 3176[22:27:41] <miesco> sypher: That it has something to do with filesystems and encryption.
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• 3180[22:28:37] <afernandez_> Hello dolphin dont show my samba shares how can I fix that please?
• 3181[22:28:44] <afernandez_> ?join #samba
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• 3187[22:29:06] <sypher> miesco: What I'm getting at is this: LUKS is heavily documented on the internet. You'll find a lot more information a lot faster by simply Googling.
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• 3189[22:29:30] <miesco> sypher: I have been looking for a good document
• 3190[22:29:52] <tripmix> Hey I have an OpenArena server I can connect to through lan but its not showing up on the publicly connectible ones
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• 3192[22:30:06] <tripmix> could that be an issue with iptables?
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• 3194[22:30:09] <TomTomTosch> miesco: replaced-url
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• 3199[22:31:26] <afernandez_> replaced-url
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• 3202[22:32:29] <tripmix> replaced-url
• 3203[22:32:38] <tripmix> Tried that afernandez_
• 3204[22:32:41] <tripmix> ?
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• 3206[22:33:22] <afernandez_> Thanks
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• 3226[22:46:41] <pablo__> hi guys
• 3227[22:46:52] <pablo__> my sound is no longer working
• 3228[22:47:05] <pablo__> any ideas where should I start looking?
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• 3230[22:47:34] <greycat> The hardware. Check the cables, the power, the volume.
• 3231[22:47:34] <s0ph0s> Do the speakers work on a different system (if not a laptop)?
• 3232[22:48:09] <pablo__> I am on a macbook air, debian testing no speakers
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• 3234[22:48:20] <greycat> Unless you are fairly confident that the no-longer-working was caused by something you did to the software, in which case you would start with what you changed.
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• 3236[22:49:16] <tripmix> replaced-url
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• 3238[22:49:38] <tripmix> if its not hardware it will likely be alsa
• 3239[22:49:42] <tripmix> *alsa problem
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• 3241[22:50:24] <greycat> Since it's testing (not stable) you should ideally be asking in #debian-next on OFTC. They'd know more about changes in testing software that could cause such things.
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• 3245[22:51:13] <tripmix> I'm on sid when alsa messes up I reboot and works fine
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• 3252[22:54:56] <pablo__> tripmix: tried that
• 3253[22:55:06] <pablo__> already tried that
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• 3255[22:56:23] <pablo__> any logs to check for alsa?
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• 3270[23:03:00] <choma> hi everybody! this is my first time on this channel
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• 3273[23:03:58] <polyzen> o/
• 3274[23:04:01] <tripmix> journalctl might help pablo__
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• 3276[23:04:15] <choma> I'm having a problem with rhythmbox crashing in jessie...
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• 3278[23:04:36] <choma> anybody having the same issue?
• 3279[23:04:54] <tripmix> nope
• 3280[23:05:08] <tripmix> is it crashing with any kind of error?
• 3281[23:05:28] <choma> tripmix: no, it just close
• 3282[23:06:30] <choma> it always happens when i try to open any stream
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• 3284[23:06:40] <choma> and sometimes when reproducing mp3
• 3285[23:07:31] <s0ph0s> Can you start rhythmbox from the command line so you can look at what it outputs before the crash? Possibly with a verbose flag?
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• 3289[23:08:45] <tripmix> replaced-url
• 3290[23:08:46] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 3293[23:08:54] <choma> s0ph0s: I did it, and got some errors related to replaygain plugin
• 3294[23:09:28] <choma> disabled replaygain, but I'm still having the issue
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• 3301[23:09:58] <s0ph0s> Are either of the bug reports above descriptive of your problem?
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• 3304[23:11:25] <choma> tripmix, judd I've seen that bug... but it seems really old, and my issue started about a week ago
• 3305[23:12:11] <tripmix> I'd check the changelog then
• 3306[23:12:16] <choma> s0ph0s: nope, not the ones I found until now
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• 3310[23:13:14] <tripmix> replaced-url
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• 3314[23:15:08] <tripmix> again
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• 3316[23:15:10] <tripmix> thats old
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• 3318[23:15:17] <tripmix> hm
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• 3324[23:17:48] <choma> mmmm... looks like this is my version:
• 3325[23:17:48] <choma> replaced-url
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• 3329[23:18:41] <tripmix> for sid
• 3330[23:18:44] <tripmix> not jessie?
• 3331[23:19:13] <choma> yes... sorry, I was wrong
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• 3342[23:21:27] <tripmix> Well let the good folks over at #debian-next help
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• 3344[23:21:49] <tripmix> Since thats more for sid / stretch users
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• 3350[23:23:32] <tripmix> the channels invite only
• 3351[23:23:35] <tripmix> lol
• 3352[23:24:02] <choma> tripmix: yes... I noted it :-/
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• 3354[23:24:50] <choma> I guess... I'll be using vlc for today... I'm still at the job. I'll investigate tomorrow
• 3355[23:25:01] <choma> tripmix: thanks a lot for your help!!
• 3356[23:25:04] <tripmix> thats quite annoying
• 3357[23:25:09] <tripmix> its invite only
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• 3359[23:25:13] <tripmix> and its ok :D
• 3360[23:25:45] <tripmix> why is the #debian-next channel invite only ?
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• 3362[23:26:05] <greycat> Because you're on the wrong network.
• 3363[23:26:25] <tripmix> what network do I need to be on ?
• 3364[23:26:29] <greycat> OFTC
• 3365[23:26:35] <greycat> !debian-next
• 3366[23:26:36] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 3367[23:26:46] <tripmix> ahhhhhh
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• 3369[23:26:48] <tripmix> right
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• 3372[23:27:51] <tuxi> I'm trying to install certbot (jessie using jessie-backports) but I'm getting a message about python-acme breaking python-certbot. Any ideas?
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• 3375[23:28:21] <tuxi> python-acme : Breaks: python-certbot (< 0.8.1) but 0.8.0-1~bpo8+2 is to be installed.
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• 3377[23:29:00] <kaizoku> can i upgrade straight from squeeze to jessie?
• 3378[23:29:55] <tripmix> I'd try upgrading to wheezy before upgrading to jessie
• 3379[23:30:15] <tripmix> that just sounds a little too risky
• 3380[23:30:42] <tripmix> also tuxi section 7.2 replaced-url
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• 3384[23:32:25] <tripmix> Have you don apt-get dist-upgrades before kaizoku ?
• 3385[23:32:37] <kaizoku> not in a while
• 3386[23:32:39] <kaizoku> i usually run sid :p
• 3387[23:32:40] <tripmix> if you have its been a while ago if your still on squeeze :P
• 3388[23:32:42] <tuxi> tripmix, isn't 0.8.0-1~bpo8+2 less than 0.8.1?
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• 3392[23:33:59] <tripmix> yes but I dont get what the bpo8+2 is
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• 3397[23:35:29] <tripmix> try an apt-get safe-upgrade but a lot of packages have to come ut
• 3398[23:35:36] <tripmix> with dist-upgrade
• 3399[23:36:04] <tuxi> tripmix, the bpo8 tells you it's backport (bp) for Debian 8 (jessie)
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• 3402[23:36:39] <tripmix> right thx :D
• 3403[23:36:47] <tuxi> If I were willing to run sid on this server, I might not have this issue.
• 3404[23:37:13] <tripmix> is python-certbot completely up to date? and not just up to date with the latest version jessie is providing?
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• 3406[23:37:47] <tripmix> If I had sid on mine my openarena server might have been easier to do
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• 3408[23:37:56] <tuxi> I get the message whether python-acme is installed before aptitude install is to be installed with the python-certbot
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• 3414[23:39:11] <tuxi> I got the message that letsencrypt (prior name) was outdated or similar on the last upgrade. I was able to sort out my other zoneminder server
• 3415[23:39:30] <patterson> "when it arrives"
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• 3421[23:40:53] <tuxi> packages.debian.org says certbot only exists in jessie-backports, testing and unstable
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• 3424[23:41:53] <tripmix> Normally a Breaks entry will have an "earlier than" version clause; such a Breaks is introduced in the version of an (implicit or explicit) dependency which violates an assumption or reveals a bug in earlier versions of the broken package, or which takes over a file from earlier versions of the package named in Breaks. This use of Breaks will inform higher-level package management tools that the broken package must be upgraded before
• 3425[23:41:53] <tripmix> the new one. - replaced-url
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• 3428[23:42:38] <tripmix> broken package MUST be upgraded before
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• 3438[23:45:14] <tuxi> tripmix, should I try a download of python-certbot, dpkg install and then try to fix dependencies?
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• 3441[23:45:27] <iLogic> hey guys, anyone tried the last version (1.0) of plexmediaserver on debian jessie?
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• 3444[23:46:40] <tripmix> Thats what I would try after reading that, when I did it for the openarena-server package, dpkg at least told me about missing dependencies I wasn't getting told about before except maybe the packages site
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• 3447[23:47:15] <tripmix> who knows, you might get lucky satisfy the dependencies and be able to install like you tried befor
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• 3453[23:49:47] <fowlslegs> So I've added a new repo and key, `apt-get update` went fine. When I run `aptitude` I can search for and find the new package. The problem is when I run `apt-get download` package, I get a package not found error.
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• 3458[23:50:31] <tripmix> because the command is apt-get install <package>
• 3459[23:50:32] <tripmix> ??
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• 3464[23:50:56] <fowlslegs> tripmix: That's a different command.
• 3465[23:51:42] <fowlslegs> I'm not trying to actually install the package, I just need to download it.
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• 3470[23:54:17] <tripmix> would wget-ing the package not work?
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• 3475[23:54:44] <fowlslegs> tripmix: I'd have to rewrite the container packaging tool I'm working with.
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• 3478[23:55:53] <tripmix> I found this replaced-url
• 3479[23:55:57] <fowlslegs> I think the problem is `apt-get download` requires root in this older version of apt I'm working with in a VM. I run sid and at least that version allows you to download as an unprivileged user.
• 3480[23:56:26] <tuxi> tripmix, no joy on certbot -- I have a few days (weeks?) before the cert needs renewal, perhaps the folks packaging the backports package will sort this out
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• 3482[23:56:54] <fowlslegs> It makes sense not to need it, but they just hadn't granularized how they handle permissions at that point yet I guess.
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• 3492[23:58:32] <tripmix> !debian-backports
• 3493[23:58:33] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
• 3494[23:58:58] <tripmix> You might get a fairly quick answer over on the backports IRC
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