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13 [00:06:30] <imattxc> how can I enable openGL 4.x on intel
mesa in debian? right now output is: "OpenGL version string:
3.0 Mesa 13.0.6"
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16 [00:07:02] <imattxc> card should support >= 4.4
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28 [00:13:30] <teraflops> card support >= 4.4 ...on windows?
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124 [01:19:26] <nshp> is Alessandro Ghedini around here by any
chance? I have a question about one of his patches to curl. sent an
email, but thought it might be worth checking here too
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128 [01:22:14] <abrotman> nshp: Don't see him here or OFTC
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130 [01:23:09] <nshp> ok, thanks
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156 [01:37:58] <wr> how do i make ssh persistent after reboots to
remote desktop?
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158 [01:38:10] <wr> on debian 8 jessie
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188 [01:50:20] <Barones> I'm having issues to install
thedude on debian server vm running on promox
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190 [01:50:29] <Barones> xorg doesnt run
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192 [01:51:50] <Canucktux> try wayland
193 [01:52:15] <abrotman> !proxmox
194 [01:52:16] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is
a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a
virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not
supported in #debian. There's an unofficial
proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see
##replaced-url
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252 [02:32:21] <HKitain> Hi! So debian package DB says
xserver-xorg is versioned "1:7.7+7". Now, when I look up
versions in the Xorg Git, it says "1.19" and such. How do
I reconcile those two versions?
253 [02:32:47] <Shadow_7> update to debian sid
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261 [02:37:04] <phogg> HKitain: X version and X server version
are two different things. Run X -version locally and you'll see
a version number more like the one you see in xorg's git.
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263 [02:40:59] <codebam_> hey, trying to build this package
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265 [02:41:26] <codebam_> for some reason it built file the first
time but complained about me not having a libplayerctl
266 [02:41:42] <abrotman> Shadow_7: don't say that, wtf
267 [02:42:01] <codebam_> so I removed it and did a make clean,
git clean -f, and tried again. then I got this error in the paste
268 [02:42:59] <Shadow_7> It is the short answer. More so with X
that maybe a dozen people know how to built these days.
269 [02:43:00] <codebam_> I followed the instructions in the
github readme and ran autogen.sh then make before installing, I
essentially just subbed checkinstall for make install
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272 [02:43:41] <Barones> on debian wheezy access through ssh, I
cant run a program cause there is no display
273 [02:43:50] <Barones> and echo $DISPLAY shows nothing
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276 [02:44:18] <alhadi> hello
277 [02:44:35] <alhadi> i am unable to reset mysql password
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279 [02:45:22] <missmbob> !ifmrp
280 [02:45:23] <dpkg> If you've forgotten the <MySQL>
root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables;
mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET
Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE
User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld;
/etc/init.d/mysql start See also
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281 [02:45:35] <Shadow_7> Barones: have you tried ssh -X ?
282 [02:45:37] <missmbob> Barones: google x forwarding
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284 [02:46:33] <alhadi> i am usign 5.7
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286 [02:47:24] <Shadow_7> If X is running, and you are the user
who started X, you could run a program after setting DISPLAY
manually. But you probably wouldn't see it remotely.
287 [02:47:26] <Barones> Shadow_7, sorry didn't quite
understand "ssh -X?"
288 [02:47:41] <missmbob> google x forwarding and you will
289 [02:47:45] <Shadow_7> Barones: man ssh... the -X is part of X
forwarding
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291 [02:47:51] <Barones> #top doesnt show xserver running
292 [02:47:51] <codebam_> Barones: look at "man ssh"
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296 [02:48:31] <alhadi> mysql> ALTER USER
'root'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY
'newPassword'
297 [02:48:32] <alhadi> -> FLUSH PRIVILEGES;
298 [02:48:32] <alhadi> ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in
your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL
server version for the right syntax to use near 'FLUSH
PRIVILEGES' at line 2
299 [02:48:32] <alhadi> mysql> FLUSH PRIVILEGES;
300 [02:48:32] <alhadi> ERROR 1146 (42S02): Table
'mysql.servers' doesn't exist
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302 [02:48:32] <Barones> codebam_, Shadow_7 , got it, thanks
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306 [02:49:18] <alhadi>
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307 [02:49:19] <alhadi>
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308 [02:49:27] <Barones> codebam_, Shadow_7 , the ssh connection
is through proxmox
309 [02:49:38] <missmbob> !proxmox
310 [02:49:38] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is
a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a
virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not
supported in #debian. There's an unofficial
proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see
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311 [02:49:44] <missmbob> again
312 [02:49:48] <Barones> thanks
313 [02:49:55] <alhadi> my ?
314 [02:49:55] <codebam_> Barones: why does it matter?
315 [02:49:55] <Barones> nobody answred there, though
316 [02:49:55] <alhadi> noqw
317 [02:49:59] <codebam_> ssh is ssh
318 [02:50:09] <missmbob> Barones: doesnt make it appropriate to
ask here
319 [02:50:19] <missmbob> codebam_: off topic is off topic
320 [02:50:27] <codebam_> missmbob: sorry, my bad
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322 [02:50:32] <Shadow_7> There's VNC stuff if you want to
remote desktop without ssh
323 [02:50:52] <codebam_> did anyone have any ideas for my
checkinstall issue?
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325 [02:52:45] <TrumpTheFirst> hi, got a fresh copy of
netinstall, is there any blobs or closed source* and how do i remove
them..
326 [02:52:54] <TrumpTheFirst> ..after installing it
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328 [02:53:13] <somiaj> TrumpTheFirst: debian main only contains
software that meets the DSFG, unless you use a non-free installer or
enable non-free you shouldn't have any.
329 [02:53:15] <codebam_> if you didn't install non-free,
the kernel still has non-free blobs in it
330 [02:53:15] <Shadow_7> codebam_: does it have a ./debian/
path? did you try the dh_autoreconf to set it up?
331 [02:53:34] <codebam_> or...
332 [02:53:50] <codebam_> Shadow_7: no, and I'll try that
333 [02:54:06] <TrumpTheFirst> codebam_ how to remove these so
called non-free blobs (are they are not open source?)
334 [02:54:20] <TrumpTheFirst> if*
335 [02:54:36] <TrumpTheFirst> (if they are not open source?)
336 [02:54:45] <somiaj> codebam_: debian's kernel is libre I
belive, all the non-free blobs are in sepearte firmawre packages in
non-free
337 [02:54:46] <codebam_> TrumpTheFirst: I believe the linux
kernel has non-free blobs? I'm not really sure what debian has
in it's kernel, I might be wrong
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339 [02:55:00] <codebam_> somiaj: okay
340 [02:55:07] <TrumpTheFirst> i need a clear answer
341 [02:55:07] <codebam_> TrumpTheFirst: never mind, you're
good
342 [02:55:13] <somiaj> TrumpTheFirst: everything in main should
meet the DSFG, if you need a good answer, send a bug report
343 [02:55:17] <somiaj> !dsfg
344 [02:55:17] <dpkg> Do you mean DFSG?
345 [02:55:19] <TrumpTheFirst> any docs on this?
346 [02:55:22] <somiaj> !dfsg
347 [02:55:22] <dpkg> DFSG is the Debian Free Software
Guidelines, which are explained at
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348 [02:55:56] <somiaj> TrumpTheFirst: sorry I meant if you know
of any software in main that doesn't meet the DSFG, file a bug
report
349 [02:55:59] <codebam_> Shadow_7: dh_autoreconf: cannot read
debian/control: No such file or directory
350 [02:56:09] <codebam_> I assume because there's no debian
directory in the package
351 [02:56:22] <codebam_> although in the releases section they
have pre-built packages
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353 [02:56:30] <codebam_> so it's been built for debian
before
354 [02:57:10] <somiaj> TrumpTheFirst: the free softawre
foundation dosen't endorce Debian due to we also have a
non-free repo to supply users who want non-free software. But they
do admit that main is free and the DFSG agrees with their mission.
355 [02:57:10] <TrumpTheFirst> alright, i will install with good
hopes. have a nice day
356 [02:57:33] <somiaj> but provided you don't enable the
non-free repo you will be fine, and the offical netinstaller only
contains software from main.
357 [02:57:36] <Shadow_7> codebam_: there's a regular
autoreconf thing, but it's less easy to use
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359 [02:57:55] <codebam_> I think I figured it out. it's
using something called "fpm"
360 [02:57:56] <TrumpTheFirst> i am aware. how do one remove all
non-free repos?
361 [02:57:59] <somiaj> codebam_: what are you trying to do, I
missed it.
362 [02:58:03] <codebam_> so I'll just install that and use
his script
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364 [02:58:16] <codebam_> somiaj: build playerctl
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365 [02:58:22] <somiaj> TrumpTheFirst: they should not be enabled
by default. There might be a question asking if you want to enable
them. you can look at /etc/apt/sources.list
366 [02:58:24] <Shadow_7> codebam_: might want to check the
install instructions in the source tree
367 [02:58:41] <codebam_> Shadow_7: his build instructions say to
use make install
368 [02:58:43] <autofsckk> hello, my keyboard gets disconnected
from time to time, if i reboot everything is normal again, i found
this with dmesg
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369 [02:59:01] <somiaj> codebam_: and following their
instructions by running ./autogen.sh failed?
370 [02:59:14] <codebam_> somiaj: correct. I'm going to use
fpm to install it
371 [02:59:20] <autofsckk> or is it a way to restart what? udev?
or what service could reload or detect the keyboard
372 [02:59:34] <somiaj> codebam_: did you say this was made into
a debian package from someone else?
373 [02:59:39] <TrumpTheFirst> alright, i am aware of
sources.list, but how do i tell if there is a line that includes
close sourced software?
374 [02:59:47] <codebam_> somiaj: yes, see the releases section
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376 [03:00:23] <somiaj> codebam_: if a debian package was made,
get teh source for the debian/ from that to try to build your own
package.
377 [03:00:26] <somiaj> !uupdate
378 [03:00:27] <dpkg> uupdate (in the <devscripts> package)
upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if
the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get
source foo; wget -nd
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379 [03:00:32] <somiaj> ^^ may help
380 [03:01:00] <somiaj> TrumpTheFirst: for offical debian repos
the section is clearly called 'non-free'
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382 [03:01:27] <TrumpTheFirst> cool, thanks :)
383 [03:01:28] <somiaj> TrumpTheFirst: we cannot guarntee what is
in thrid party repos you add. But again by default this is all
disabled, you ahve to turn it on somehow. Though I think the newer
installer asks you a question.
384 [03:01:35] <somiaj> not sure if jessie does or not
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386 [03:02:13] <TrumpTheFirst> well, i think i have the
information that i need, thank you for the answers that will help me
in the future
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389 [03:02:38] <TrumpTheFirst> have a nice one fellas
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393 [03:03:33] <autofsckk> please any help or idea on this
keyboard? it was working just right, but now it just get
disconnected
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395 [03:04:13] <somiaj> a usb keyboard?
396 [03:05:24] <autofsckk> yep
397 [03:05:40] <somiaj> try unpluging it and replugging it in,
use a different usb port?
398 [03:05:52] <autofsckk> it wasnt happening at all, but i think
this became after an update
399 [03:06:01] <autofsckk> i do that but it doesnt work
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401 [03:06:15] <autofsckk> i plug my keyboard and mouse to a hub
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404 [03:07:08] <autofsckk> the keyboard stops working but the
mouse is still working, but if i disconnect/connect again the hub it
then kills the mouse too until i restart and then it works right
405 [03:07:09] <somiaj> check dmesg, see if you have any errors,
etc
406 [03:07:27] <autofsckk> i already pasted this
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409 [03:08:24] <autofsckk> thats just the usb information
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415 [03:12:47] <autofsckk> and im also having this now
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417 [03:14:27] <autofsckk> is there a way to like reset-reload
udev is it? just to make it recognize again all the connected usb
ports?
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420 [03:17:14] <ov3rmind> hey guys i have an off topic but some
important to me i have i small network here but part is using cable
10.0.0.0 and part is wireless 192.168.0.0 i have some doubt about
the cabled part os net access the wireless potion any ti maybe a
litle route but i don't ! very thanks and excuse
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431 [03:26:50] <Shadow_7> autofsckk: I had an issue like that
with avlinux. Unplug and replug the usb things fixed it as a work
around. avlinux was based on squeeze at that time, putting some udev
bits from debian wheezy at the time got it to NOT do that anymore.
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433 [03:27:19] <somiaj> autofsckk: if it happened due to an
upgrade, figure out what upgraded, if it was a kernel, download or
use the older kernel, file a bug report
434 [03:27:47] <autofsckk> i restarted and everything comes back
to normality again :S so anoying
435 [03:28:15] <Shadow_7> It was a variety of things, but mostly
a few things in /lib/udev/... But other stuff and not sure which
fixed it.
436 [03:28:33] <autofsckk> Shadow_7: do you remember by any
chance what exactly you did to make udev do his job ?
437 [03:29:32] <autofsckk> ive been using debian for 2 months and
im finding it very unstable, and i really thought or heard that it
was pretty stable, im i the bad driver here?
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439 [03:29:55] <Shadow_7> unstable as in crash? or unstable as in
network keeps burping?
440 [03:29:56] <somiaj> autofsckk: are you using jessie?
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442 [03:30:23] <somiaj> autofsckk: you said it worked before,
what upgraded, see if there is a regression bug. It could also just
be you have failing hardware.
443 [03:30:24] <autofsckk> yes
444 [03:30:42] <somiaj> autofsckk: do you run a backported kernel
or the 3.16 that ships with jessie?
445 [03:30:55] <autofsckk> unstable as some times unusable until
you reboot
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447 [03:31:25] <Shadow_7> autofsckk: curious if restarting X does
the same fix as the reboot.
448 [03:31:56] <autofsckk> somiaj: it could be that backports, i
played with those the first or two weeks, and after that i tried to
put it all back in its place, but maybe it was too late to do that
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451 [03:32:12] <autofsckk> Shadow_7: havent tried that
452 [03:32:15] <somiaj> autofsckk: and you didn't mix any
other third party repos, testing packages?
453 [03:32:30] <somiaj> anyways you should still have the 3.16
kernel installed, you should boot from that and see if you have the
same issue
454 [03:32:52] <Shadow_7> I've had a few oddities, but
having swap and fiddling with swappiness makes things less odd less
often.
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456 [03:32:54] <autofsckk> Linux lap 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP
Debian 3.16.43-2 (2017-04-30) i686 GNU/Linux
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458 [03:33:30] <pfc4evr> hey why is it everytime people need to
really get something done they keep having to go back to windows
459 [03:33:54] <bazhang> pfc4evr, they dont
460 [03:34:09] <Shadow_7> I've only had to do windows when
work requires things done by windows. Luckily I've been
unemployed a long time.
461 [03:34:29] <somiaj> autofsckk: if a security update caused
this issue, you can find older kernels at snapshot.debian.org to
try.
462 [03:34:37] <somiaj> autofsckk: you may ahve some in
/var/cache/apt/archives as well.
463 [03:34:45] <pfc4evr> baz...hah...you try getting all those
special drivers working in some emulator on linux...forget it...to
get stuff done with all those special drivers for windows it takes
windows
464 [03:34:48] <somiaj> autofsckk: again I'm running on that
I thought you said it use to work.
465 [03:35:14] <Shadow_7> having to take a competency test with a
system req of NT4 is kind of insulting.
466 [03:35:30] <autofsckk>
linux-image-3.16.0-4-586_3.16.43-2_i386.deb
467 [03:35:44] <autofsckk> somiaj: yes it was working ok
468 [03:36:20] <Shadow_7> The HID stuff is more likely to be X or
udev. Check the timestamps of stuff in /var/cache/apt/archives/
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471 [03:37:07] <somiaj> autofsckk: maybe try out some older
kernels, and if that fixes it, file a regression bug
472 [03:37:11] <HKitain> So I noticed there's a bunch of
MIPSel images of debian available to download.
473 [03:37:11] <Shadow_7> There was some X stuff I fiddled with
(cp from wheezy) in the /etc/X11/... for keyboard related things
474 [03:37:22] <pfc4evr> i have to give credit to intel that
keeps making drivers for the 15 year old xp that i paid for when
people find their hardware in the junkyards
475 [03:37:22] <HKitain> what boards are they supposed to even
load on?
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481 [03:38:08] <pfc4evr> at least intel still makes drivers for
xp for their real old atom processor hardware in the junkpiles
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483 [03:38:35] <autofsckk> somiaj: thanks
484 [03:38:38] <Shadow_7> el for embeded linux. I assume. Lots of
router things are mips based
485 [03:38:40] <pfc4evr> so people can deal with all the special
drivers that everyone keeps writing for windows
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487 [03:39:20] <pfc4evr> like the CDC drivers just to name a few
488 [03:40:12] <bazhang> pfc4evr, get to the debian support issue
please
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491 [03:40:53] <pfc4evr> bazhang...well the support issue is that
no matter which linux you try to run in a virtual machine it
can't deal with all the special windows drivers
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493 [03:41:10] <HKitain> Shadow_7: i mean, none of them have a CD
drive. Also "el" stands for "little endian"
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495 [03:41:44] <Shadow_7> normally it's le for little endian
(audio terms anyway)
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497 [03:42:09] <pfc4evr> so then you have to jump through hoops
to resurrect an old ghost backup of xp on whatever hardware you can
find in the junkpiles
498 [03:42:19] <bazhang> pfc4evr, vm and drivers? which ones did
you imaGne were needed
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500 [03:42:48] <pfc4evr> i told you there are thousands of
special case drivers for windows...like CDC drivers for one example
501 [03:42:50] <somiaj> pfc4evr: I'm still failing to see a
debian support question here.
502 [03:43:09] <somiaj> pfc4evr: Talking about windows drivers
isn't really on topic.
503 [03:43:16] <bazhang> pfc4evr, vm and drivers have no
connection
504 [03:43:21] <HKitain> i'm just really unclear on what
kind of audience would the CD images have, considering no one in the
world can boot them.
505 [03:43:37] <pfc4evr> somiaj...the support question is how to
get a linux guest on a debian virtual machine to handle all the
special case windows drivers
506 [03:43:54] <somiaj> HKitain: the cd images are hybrid. they
can be put on usb drives with a cp command as well as burnt to cd
507 [03:44:24] <pfc4evr> somiaj...what happened to dd on
stretch...it no longer seems to work like it used to
508 [03:44:32] <somiaj> pfc4evr: why would a linux guest need to
deal with windows drivers? Also this is debian, not just linux, if
you want to talk about linux goto ##linux
509 [03:44:42] <HKitain> but mips doesn't have a unified
booting standard like MBR booting for PC-likes
510 [03:44:53] <somiaj> pfc4evr: dd works just fine, but cp is
just the suggest method for copying the debian images. You can use
dd if you want.
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512 [03:45:27] <iateadonut> on a command, a -- is called a ? and
a - is called what?
513 [03:45:30] <somiaj> HKitain: oh missed that it was for mipps.
514 [03:45:37] <iateadonut> argument and option or what?
515 [03:45:42] <Shadow_7> pfc4evr: perhaps you're more
familiar with dcfldd
516 [03:45:43] <pfc4evr> dd bs=1M if=some.iso of=/dev/sdx ( usb
stick) just comes back with a greater than sign prompt
517 [03:45:57] <pfc4evr> Shad...that never used to happen on old
linux versions
518 [03:46:04] <somiaj> iateadonut: there really isn't a
distniction in naming between -- and -, convention is --word and
-lettter
519 [03:46:08] <somiaj> though some commands use -word
520 [03:46:24] <iateadonut> are those called arguments altogether
then?
521 [03:46:30] <pfc4evr> this stretch version is weird about dd
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524 [03:47:12] <somiaj> iateadonut: or options, flags, I
haven't seen a common name for them.
525 [03:47:29] <somiaj> iateadonut: but arguments is usually what
languages call them, lots of libaries that use variables like argv
for them.
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527 [03:47:45] <iateadonut> thanks
528 [03:47:59] <somiaj> well I guess arguments can be anything
after the command, options/flags may be more appropriate for
arguments that use -- or -
529 [03:48:40] <Shadow_7> pfc4evr: try with bs as the last option
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531 [03:49:01] <HKitain> pfc4evr: could you paste in the exact
command that you typed in?
532 [03:49:07] <pfc4evr> Shad...i did ...it also made a greater
than sign appear to the left...v.ery wierd
533 [03:49:22] <pfc4evr> HKit...both of them ...this one too
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536 [03:49:45] <Shadow_7> pfc4evr: do you have ' type things
in there. > is normally unclosed quote. Are you mixing quotes?
`'
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539 [03:50:16] <pfc4evr> sudo dd
if=/home/pfc4evr/lotsofisos/some.iso /dev/sdX (for whatever dmesg |
tail gives) for usbstick ....bs=1M
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541 [03:50:59] <somiaj> pfc4evr: don't give us the template
for the command, give us the exact one, look in your history to make
sure you got it correct
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543 [03:51:19] <somiaj> what you described is what happens if you
have unmached quotes, just try it, type ' and then enter, is
that what happened?
544 [03:51:19] <HKitain> the > prompt suggests you have used a
special character
545 [03:51:32] <somiaj> if so this is the shell and nothign to do
with dd
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547 [03:51:47] <pfc4evr> somiaj...i got it correct...i always
do....I am a Doctor...and rightly so because i make very few
mistakes....quality is one of my goals
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549 [03:53:06] <pfc4evr> of course lots of people don't give
a damn about quality and just want to get drunk and chase
whores...but I am a Doctor
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551 [03:53:29] <somiaj> this is off topic, please stay on topic.
I have yet to see any actual support question.
552 [03:54:04] <somiaj> anyways, if your name of your file had a
quote in it, and you didn\'t escape it, that could cause a
problem. dd works just fine. If you found a bug please report it to
the BTS.
553 [03:54:23] <pfc4evr> well its only been more than 20 years
since linux 0.9 was circulating...so i still guess i haven't
formulated a question worth asking yet as no one ever seems to have
answers
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555 [03:55:03] <Shadow_7> do you have a special keyboard? or an
odd regionality? sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
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568 [03:58:40] <codebam_> I added
569 [03:58:43] <codebam_> sorry
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571 [03:59:45] <codebam_> I added "[[ -f ~/.Xresources ]]
&& xrdb -merge -I$HOME ~/.Xresources" to my ~/.xinitrc
but it's not being applied when I login to X?
572 [04:00:07] <codebam_> I have to manually run "xrdb
~/.Xresources"
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574 [04:00:28] <Shadow_7> Try with $HOME/ not ~/
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576 [04:00:40] <codebam_> in the file it's using $HOME
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578 [04:01:01] <codebam_> it works when I run it manually
regardless of if I use ~ or $HOME
579 [04:01:17] <codebam_> but I want it done automatically. I
don't want to run it every time I login
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582 [04:02:47] <codebam_> this is my .xinitrc
replaced-url
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585 [04:04:04] <autofsckk> is there a way to make a list of all
the installed apps?
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591 [04:05:54] <missmbob> do dpkg -l |grep ^i
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593 [04:07:25] <autofsckk> missmbob: thanks :D 2058 so many
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598 [04:08:00] <codebam__> not sure how I fixed it, I don't
care that much though. I copied my .xinitrc from arch
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636 [04:33:48] <ryzokuken> I had a few issues installing debian
637 [04:33:54] <ryzokuken> Please help.
638 [04:34:07] <ryzokuken> I am using the nonfree DVD 1 image.
639 [04:34:25] <ryzokuken> I should contain the nonfree firmware,
right?
640 [04:34:57] <ryzokuken> But the installer is asking me to load
firmware from removable media.
641 [04:35:22] <awal1> !firmware images
642 [04:35:22] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images -
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for
installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from
replaced-url
643 [04:35:34] <awal1> ryzokuken, ^
644 [04:36:04] <ryzokuken> Yeah, I downloaded the same image.
645 [04:36:18] <awal1> you said dvd1
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647 [04:37:14] <ryzokuken> Oh, not the net install
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649 [04:37:28] <awal1> that is not dvd1, but a netinst image,
genuine just as the standard official one, but containing non free
firmware (s)
650 [04:37:44] <ryzokuken> It also mentions DVD1+firmware
651 [04:38:08] <ryzokuken> awal1: actually, I needed a more
offline approach.
652 [04:38:46] <awal1> again, use this
replaced-url
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655 [04:39:04] <awal1> that is the only image with non free
firmware
656 [04:39:12] <awal1> and it is stable branch specific
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661 [04:40:26] <awal1> for ofline installation use what ever
cd/dvd you need and load firmware manually
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664 [04:41:05] <ryzokuken> awal1:
replaced-url
665 [04:41:12] <ryzokuken> This is the one I'm currently
using.
666 [04:41:20] <Gaming4JC> Simple question, but I was unable to
find an answer - Is there an RSS feed for recent packages and/or
debsources?
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670 [04:42:50] <ryzokuken> awal1: what's so wrong about this
one?
671 [04:43:00] <awal1> ryzokuken, that is "testing
installer" right now with codename "Stretch", not
stable /jessie)
672 [04:43:12] <ryzokuken> I need stretch.
673 [04:43:20] <ryzokuken> Sorry, should've said that first.
674 [04:43:35] <awal1> I personnally don't know about
testing nonfree images
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676 [04:44:00] <awal1> maybe they are preparing/testing them
since Stretch release will happen soon
677 [04:44:17] <awal1> !testing installer
678 [04:44:17] <dpkg> Repeat after me: the testing installer is
for testing the <installer>, not for installing
<testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using
the <stable> installer and ask me about
<stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against
the debian-installer pseudopackage.
replaced-url
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681 [04:44:28] <awal1> ryzokuken, ^
682 [04:45:13] <ryzokuken> Damn.
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684 [04:45:42] <awal1> do you have access to wired?
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686 [04:46:22] <ryzokuken> Not exactly. That's why I need
without netinst
687 [04:46:30] <ryzokuken> + need firmware for wifi
688 [04:46:49] <ryzokuken> Should I go for current or 8.8.0?
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690 [04:47:19] <Gaming4JC> ryzokuken: AptOnCd may be an option if
you have a spare PC to download the packages first.
691 [04:47:49] <ryzokuken> What so wrong about the complete DVDs?
692 [04:48:16] <Gaming4JC> there are no dvds for
testing/experimental afaik
693 [04:48:24] <Gaming4JC> dvds are released for stable
694 [04:48:30] <rustbuckett> gah! i can't remember my
nickserv password and i can't figure out how to retrieve it!
currently, i'm on my little laptop because i have it saved
there. any ideas?
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696 [04:48:42] <ryzokuken> We decided I'll install stable
and then upgrade to testing.
697 [04:49:04] <Gaming4JC> in that case dvds are the way to go,
but you'll only get stable stuff on the dvds
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701 [04:50:01] <Gaming4JC> rustbuckett: try #freenode or see if
you can recover the password from your current IRC client's
config.
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706 [04:51:00] <awal1> ryzokuken, stable branch dvds doesn't
include non free stuff, only that netinst mentioned by the bot
includes them. that "firmware-testing-amd64-1.iso may just be
buggy as any testing installer
707 [04:51:36] <rustbuckett> Gaming4JC, thanks, but i think i
just found it. looks like i outsmarted myself again. :-/
708 [04:51:40] <awal1> is something new (for me at least)
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711 [04:53:05] <Gaming4JC> ryzokuken: Sounds like a job for
AptOnCd, download firmware/files on any working Debian computer with
inet connection and you can configure it on one without :)
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714 [04:53:26] <Gaming4JC> I've had to use it on several
occassions
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722 [04:56:57] <rustbuckett> yep. found it.
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724 [04:58:26] <awal1> ryzokuken, I personally never heard/used
"aptoncd". but according to it's description, it is a
nice option as you have been told, if you can have access somewhere
with a debian machine :)
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726 [04:58:31] <ryzokuken> awal1: there's a current folder
and 8.8.0 folder.
727 [04:58:36] <ryzokuken> Which one should I use?
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734 [05:00:25] <awal1> ryzokuken, they have same content
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737 [05:01:29] <awal1> both contain
"firmware-8.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso"
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743 [05:03:19] <awal1> just choose the one you need (i386 (32
bit) or amd64 (64 bit))
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747 [05:04:33] <VentGrey> Aw ;C #debian-next needs invite
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750 [05:05:38] <awal1> first connect to OFTC server then
#debian-next channel
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754 [05:12:07] <ryzokuken> awal1: it's failing network
configuration
755 [05:12:23] <ryzokuken> Maybe it's still not using WiFi
firmware
756 [05:14:07] <ryzokuken> Okay, I am using USB tethering now,
it's still not working :((
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760 [05:17:18] <VentGrey> Problems with wireless?
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763 [05:19:05] <ryzokuken> Yes
764 [05:19:16] <ryzokuken> Even though I'm using the nonfree
firmware images.
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766 [05:20:32] <VentGrey> Let me guess...Realtek?
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769 [05:20:53] <ryzokuken> Realtek for wired
770 [05:20:59] <ryzokuken> Atheros for wireless
771 [05:21:34] <VentGrey> I use a Qualcomm Atheros for wireless
and i have no problem o,o
772 [05:21:35] <Shadow_7> Most of my realtek's worked fine.
With bleeding edge github driver and kernel.org firmware at least 6
months younger than the hardware
773 [05:21:49] <VentGrey> sudo apt install firmware-atheros?
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782 [05:31:54] <awal1> ryzokuken, run "lspci -nn | grep -i
net" and check debian wiki or google if your net hardware is
supported by current debian state
783 [05:32:21] <awal1> by current debian version(s)
784 [05:33:21] <awal1> or by linux (kernel)
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786 [05:34:40] <awal1> bcoz after all, it is a kernel concern
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803 [05:46:26] <xormor> how is debian better than openSUSE?
804 [05:46:46] <Shadow_7> The tldp has relevance, and debootstrap
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807 [05:47:50] <Shadow_7> not that they are that different,
it's all the same software plus or minus versions or two.
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812 [05:49:40] <HKitain> Hi, i'm trying to boot debian on
qemu and it errors out for some reason
813 [05:50:11] <HKitain> it goes Cannot open root device
"(null)" or unknown-block(0,0): error -6 and i have
specified root=/dev/sda1 rootfstype=ext4
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819 [05:51:36] <HKitain> full log:
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849 [06:06:06] <Hoolootwo> HKitain, likely you don't have
drivers for virtio included in the kernel or something
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855 [06:06:41] <Hoolootwo> usually qemu has virtio, ide, or sata
as the main options, ide and sata should work everywhere
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859 [06:10:13] <ChmEarl> HKitain, which debian on guest versus
host?
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865 [06:16:18] <ryzokuken> I accidentally started installation
with the default DE
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867 [06:16:33] <ryzokuken> Can I switch to XFCE later?
868 [06:16:43] <ryzokuken> I'm too lazy to restart
installation
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870 [06:17:25] <HKitain> Hoolootwo: how do i set up said
ide/sata?
871 [06:17:55] <HKitain> or do you mean like a real sata device?
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873 [06:20:24] <HKitain> ChmEarl: host ubuntu, kernel
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876 [06:22:56] <ryzokuken> dpkg: stable->testing
877 [06:22:56] <dpkg> Remember that Debian 9 "Stretch"
is still pre-release and that security support will not always be
timely. Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <stretch
release notes>
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882 [06:25:59] <Hoolootwo> HKitain, it should be a qemu option
883 [06:26:10] <Hoolootwo> not sure off the top of my head, but
I'm positive it's in the man page
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889 [06:33:23] <ChmEarl> HKitain, did you format ext4 of the
guest from Host? is host Zesty?
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940 [07:08:14] <ryzokuken> What the heck
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942 [07:08:25] <ryzokuken> Another issue with netinst
943 [07:08:37] <ryzokuken> It fails on a certain package
944 [07:08:45] <ryzokuken> Exim4 something maybe
945 [07:08:56] <ryzokuken> What can I do to fix this?
946 [07:10:05] <ryzokuken> This issue doesn't allow me to do
anything
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948 [07:11:46] <ryzokuken> Configuring exim4-config fails
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950 [07:12:42] <ryzokuken> Wtf, why is this installation process
so arcane?
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974 [07:30:15] <dtux> I seem to be getting a Bus Error in
apt-listbugs (even when I try to remove apt-listbugs). Is there a
way to skip running it or force-remove it?
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984 [07:35:22] <ryzokuken> !firmware testing
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987 [07:37:44] <ryzokuken> !testing installer
988 [07:37:44] <dpkg> Repeat after me: the testing installer is
for testing the <installer>, not for installing
<testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using
the <stable> installer and ask me about
<stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against
the debian-installer pseudopackage.
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990 [07:38:30] <dtux> heh... sudo mv /usr/sbin/apt-listbugs .
&& sudo touch /usr/sbin/apt-listbugs && sudo chmod
+x /usr/sbin/apt-listbugs. then I could remove it
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992 [07:40:52] <jelly> dtux: bus errors in general don't
happen on their own on x86, you may have (transient?) issues with
hardware
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994 [07:41:41] <jelly> see if debsums reports other changed files
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997 [07:42:29] <dtux> jelly: ah, that makes sense because the
machine is >10yrs old (original HDD)
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999 [07:43:12] <dtux> ok, installing
1000 [07:43:13] <jelly> dtux: could be hdd, could be ram, could be
something else like bad power supply triggering it. Which debian
release is this and which arch (dpkg --print-architecture)?
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1005 [07:46:12] <dtux> jelly: debsums --changed is empty, Debian
8.8 (stable), amd64
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1007 [07:46:59] <dtux> hmm getting a D-Bus error from systemctl
1008 [07:47:09] <dtux> Connection refused
1009 [07:47:27] <dtux> related?
1010 [07:47:34] <jelly> that's just a software issue,
probably haven't rebooted in a while
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1012 [07:47:49] <dtux> uptime is 30min
1013 [07:49:12] <jelly> could still be an unrelated bug
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1015 [07:49:32] <dtux> ok
1016 [07:49:46] <uptime> lol
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1021 [07:51:51] <jelly> I'd look at kern.log or dmesg for any
more symptoms (more segfaults reported than usual), then do ram
tests and hdd smart tests.
1022 [07:52:57] <jelly> if you haven't removed the possibly
borked apt-listbugs binary, put it back and rerun debsums, see if
it's corrupted somehow
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1029 [07:58:35] <simbalion`> is it possible to install gcc 5.0 or
greater in Jessie?
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1031 [08:00:54] <jelly> simbalion`: not from any Debian binary.
You could build it from source into a separate prefix.
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1060 [08:22:37] <solrize> i have an old netbook with 32-bit atom
cpu (no amd64 instructions, and slow) and 1gb of ram... think i can
run the mate desktop? if not, then xfce?
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1062 [08:23:57] <Lowl3v3l> solrize: i'd try a standalone wm
if i were you. you will need some of the ram to do useful things.
Maybe go with openbox or a tiling one?
1063 [08:24:15] <solrize> hmm ok. not familiar with openbox
1064 [08:24:32] <solrize> might try xmonad on it if anyone still
uses that
1065 [08:24:38] <solrize> it's a small screen so tiling could
be painful
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1086 [08:35:01] <ryzokuken> Guys, the stable installer is failing
for me :(
1087 [08:35:04] <ryzokuken> Please help.
1088 [08:35:08] <ryzokuken> Tried twice.
1089 [08:35:38] <ryzokuken> exim4-config fails
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1094 [08:37:27] <solrize> what is with this pm flood?
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1096 [08:37:32] <ryzokuken> How can I install debian testing?
1097 [08:37:47] <ryzokuken> Like... Directly.
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1099 [08:38:48] <Selveste1^> I'm I the only one getting
spammed right now?
1100 [08:39:23] <ryzokuken> Selveste1^: no spam for me
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1102 [08:39:59] <Selveste1^> ryzokuken: I Keep getting this:
[Gobal notice] Hi freenode! With our new PIA funding, we are finally
ready. Ask us what "notgms" is in #freenode for an
explaination!
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1104 [08:40:42] <ryzokuken> I don't get anything of the sort.
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1107 [08:41:14] <Selveste1^> ryzokuken: okay, thanks :)
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1124 [08:51:34] <drivex> morning
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1127 [08:52:31] <drivex> I'm running the latest debian jessie
stable version, but the kernel is still 3.16.0-4-amd64.
Shouldn't it be at least 3.16.39-1?
1128 [08:52:52] <drivex> however apt-get update & upgrade
(even dist-upgrade) doesn'T show anything newer to install?
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1138 [08:56:50] <ryzokuken> Could any one of you guys help me with
my installation issues?
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1140 [08:57:04] <ryzokuken> I've been trying to get Debian
running for days now.
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1142 [08:57:28] <ryzokuken> And tbh, I'm really frustrated
now.
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1145 [08:59:11] <Ben64> usually best to describe the issue as
detailed as possible
1146 [08:59:20] <jelly> ryzokuken: which tasks did you select?
Tried installing just the base system first, booting into that, then
installing the rest?
1147 [08:59:31] <jelly> !installation report
1148 [08:59:31] <dpkg> i heard installation report is
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1150 [08:59:52] <ryzokuken> Stable installer fails at exim4-config
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1152 [09:00:03] <ryzokuken> I heard this issue was fixed in
testing.
1153 [09:00:05] <jelly> drivex: what does "uname -a"
say?
1154 [09:00:16] <ryzokuken> But I cannot manage to install testing
directly.
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1156 [09:00:25] <drivex> Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian
3.16.43-2 (2017-04-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux
1157 [09:00:47] <drivex> isnt the first one the used kernel?
1158 [09:01:01] <ryzokuken> I got the weekly live build with
firmware to work beautifully out of the box.
1159 [09:01:13] <ryzokuken> But I cannot manage to install using
the live version.
1160 [09:01:22] <jelly> !kernel abi
1161 [09:01:23] <dpkg> Debian kernel packages have an <ABI>
to indicate when out-of-tree modules must be rebuilt; upgrading from
a package with 3.2.0-3-amd64 to another 3.2.0-3-amd64 doesn't
require fglrx/nvidia/etc to be rebuilt, but upgrading from
3.2.0-3-amd64 to 3.2.0-4-amd64 does. Development kernels intended
for <experimental> have the ABI <trunk> to indicate the
ABI is unmanaged.
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1162 [09:01:25] <jelly> drivex: ^^
1163 [09:01:30] <ryzokuken> And people here seem to only support
the netinst version.
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1165 [09:01:49] <ryzokuken> So I tried the netinst and it fails
miserably at exim4-config
1166 [09:02:15] <ryzokuken> Which is convoluted because Jessie is
supposed to be stable and error free
1167 [09:02:21] <ryzokuken> But apparently, its not.
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1169 [09:03:05] <jelly> ryzokuken: which tasks did you select?
Tried installing just the base system first, booting into that, then
installing the rest?
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1173 [09:03:43] <ryzokuken> No, I started installation alongside
XFCE
1174 [09:03:53] <ryzokuken> Sounds like a full-blown installation
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1176 [09:04:28] <jelly> I'm not sure what "started
installation alongside XFCE" means, sorry
1177 [09:04:47] <drivex> I've read the article jelly, but the
whole kernel thing is a new territory for me, so i don't
understand it completly. do you maybe have an explanation which is a
little bit "simpler"?
1178 [09:05:12] <jelly> drivex: 3.16.0-4-amd64 is not the version.
3.16.43-2 is.
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1180 [09:05:34] <ryzokuken> jelly: the installer prompted me to
choose a DE after the basic installation
1181 [09:05:38] <drivex> okay. so what does 3.16.0-4 stands for?
for the "package"?
1182 [09:05:46] <ryzokuken> So I chose XFCE and started the
install.
1183 [09:05:56] <ryzokuken> It downloaded 1100 files in total
1184 [09:06:09] <ryzokuken> Included the entire DE and python and
what not.
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1186 [09:07:05] <jelly> drivex: it marks compatibility with
outside drivers, and is included in the package _name_ (not version)
yes
1187 [09:07:27] <drivex> ah, got it now
1188 [09:07:30] <drivex> thanks to you :)
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1191 [09:08:05] <ryzokuken> jelly: I was wondering if there was a
way to install testing directly
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1193 [09:08:17] <jelly> ryzokuken: you can deselect all DE-s and
tasks at that point.
1194 [09:08:38] <ryzokuken> Deselect everything?
1195 [09:08:38] <jelly> that will give you just the base system,
1196 [09:08:41] <jelly> yes.
1197 [09:08:42] <ryzokuken> Okay
1198 [09:08:49] <ryzokuken> With a console?
1199 [09:08:53] <jelly> right
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1201 [09:09:02] <ryzokuken> Do I have to setup the greeters and
stuff later then?
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1203 [09:09:25] <ryzokuken> Like I did in Arch? That sounds like a
lot of work.
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1205 [09:10:12] <jelly> it's a workaround to avoid your exim4
issue at installation time.
1206 [09:10:44] <ryzokuken> Okay
1207 [09:11:00] <ryzokuken> Can you tell me what to do after the
base system is installed?
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1209 [09:11:44] <jelly> if your goal is to move to stretch, then
do a release upgrade to stretch at that point. Then if that works,
run "tasksel" to get the Tasks Selection screen again.
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1211 [09:12:11] <jelly> dpkg, jessie->stretch
1212 [09:12:12] <dpkg> Remember that Debian 9 "Stretch"
is still pre-release and that security support will not always be
timely. Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <stretch
release notes>
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1218 [09:14:31] <jelly> ryzokuken: if, however, you think your
hardware will work well on current debian release, just run tasksel.
May have to install it first.
1219 [09:14:57] <ryzokuken> I didn't get it.
1220 [09:15:10] <ryzokuken> I need to upgrade to stretch, then run
taskel
1221 [09:15:12] <ryzokuken> Right?
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1223 [09:15:20] <ryzokuken> Tasksel**
1224 [09:15:25] <jelly> if it's stretch you want, yes
1225 [09:15:53] <ryzokuken> Exim4-config does not work on Jessie
1226 [09:15:55] <wr> jelly will debian 9 be out till sept?
1227 [09:15:56] <ryzokuken> Not for me
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1229 [09:16:09] <ryzokuken> So I think stretch is my only option
1230 [09:16:13] <ryzokuken> What do you say?
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1232 [09:16:38] <jelly> ryzokuken: it's hard to say anything
about that exim issue without more specific information
1233 [09:16:50] <jelly> wr: no idea, maybe
1234 [09:17:15] <ryzokuken> I read a bug report somewhere which
said that this bug is fixed in testing.
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1236 [09:17:23] <jelly> which bug?
1237 [09:17:32] <ryzokuken> The exim4 failing
1238 [09:17:32] <jelly> which bug report?
1239 [09:17:44] <jelly> that's not a bug, that's a VERY
vague description
1240 [09:18:18] <jelly> could be a dozen different bugs with
"exim4-config failing" as a symptom
1241 [09:18:41] <ryzokuken>
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1242 [09:18:42] <judd> Bug
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1244 [09:18:47] <jelly> if you want to pursue that, you'll
have to provide a lot more info
1245 [09:19:12] <jelly> ryzokuken: starting with complete output
of the installation attempt
1246 [09:19:22] <ryzokuken> Should I then try it with XFCE again
and give you the exact output?
1247 [09:19:35] <jelly> your choice
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1249 [09:19:50] <ryzokuken> Idk, what sounds better
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1251 [09:20:15] <ryzokuken> At this point, I have wasted enough
time to try out whatever would work best and quickest
1252 [09:20:16] <jelly> ryzokuken: do you want to debug exim, or
do you want to install the OS?
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1254 [09:20:26] <ryzokuken> I want to get it running
1255 [09:20:32] <ryzokuken> Don't care about exim
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1257 [09:21:17] <jelly> there's your answer, then, install
base system, do a release upgrade to stretch, then get your DE or
whatever up with tasksel
1258 [09:21:28] <Gekko> Howdy. I'm trying to get one of those
USB 3G dongles working. I've created a connection for it using
the network manager, but it seems the device does not get detected
as modem
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1259 [09:21:40] <Gekko> This is on jessie
1260 [09:21:43] <ryzokuken> jelly: then that's what I'll
do.
1261 [09:21:45] <ryzokuken> Thanks
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1274 [09:29:13] <jelly> ,v usb-modeswitch
1275 [09:29:14] <judd> Package: usb-modeswitch on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.2.3+repack0-1; jessie: 2.2.0+repack0-2; jessie-backports:
2.5.0+repack0-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.5.0+repack0-1; sid:
2.5.0+repack0-1
1276 [09:30:05] <jelly> Gekko: if usb-modeswitch is not installed,
install it (and um... dunno, maybe unplug and plug the device again,
maybe reboot). If it's installed already, try upgrading to the
version from jessie-backports and see if that makes any difference
1277 [09:30:16] <jelly> dpkg, tell Gekko about jessie-backports
1278 [09:30:20] <Gekko> I tried running usb-modeswitch after
adding DefaultProduct and DefaultVendor in /etc/usb_modeswitch.conf,
and it seemed to run without errors. It did not create any new
devices according to lsusb
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1280 [09:30:55] <Gekko> I installed usb_modeswitch from the
sources though
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1282 [09:31:49] <Gekko> with lsusb and usb_modeswitch output
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1290 [09:32:42] <jelly> hm, it seems detected as (among other
things) a usb network card
1291 [09:32:43] <ryzokuken> jelly: base system installed
1292 [09:32:49] <jelly> May 11 09:56:35 gekkoslovakia-laptop
kernel: [ 3402.669798] cdc_ether 4-1.2:1.0 usb0: register
'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:1d.0-1.2, CDC Ethernet Device,
ef:9f:bf:ef:fc:cf
1293 [09:33:05] <ryzokuken> I got into tty1
1294 [09:33:23] <jelly> ryzokuken: now follow the
jessie->stretch instructions
1295 [09:34:23] <ryzokuken> dpkg: jessie->stretch
1296 [09:34:24] <dpkg> Remember that Debian 9 "Stretch"
is still pre-release and that security support will not always be
timely. Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <stretch
release notes>
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1305 [09:38:51] <ryzokuken> jelly: upgrade in progress
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1309 [09:40:09] <g0tWater> /msg g0tWater REGISTER gotWater14317
yazilimci06@gmail.com
1310 [09:40:18] <Gekko> woops?
1311 [09:40:26] <g0tWater> sorry
1312 [09:40:27] <g0tWater> :D
1313 [09:40:36] <joze> status windows prevent that :)
1314 [09:40:38] <ryzokuken> Lol
1315 [09:40:51] <ryzokuken> Use another password now, mate.
1316 [09:40:52] <g0tWater> it was an erorr
1317 [09:40:53] <g0tWater> :D
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1325 [09:42:21] <g0tWater> /s
1326 [09:42:47] <wr> whats the lowest ram usage debian can make
with a win manager or more
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1329 [09:44:30] <Stummi> wr, I don't think you can make a
assumption here without actually trying your specific use case
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1331 [09:45:02] <wr> Stummi i mean generally
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1333 [09:46:09] <bezaban> wr: hard question, you mean running X
and some window manager? It will highly depend on the window
manager/desktop environment. Gnome/kde will suck a lot, something
likeweight like fvwm2, ratpoison etc will use much less than a full
gnome suite or kde
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1336 [09:47:03] <bezaban> raspbian runs 'ok' on a pi b
with 512mb - as an example
1337 [09:47:05] <wr> bezaban, whats lowest with any WM a user can
get
1338 [09:47:23] <bezaban> wr: claims that ratpoison runs in 1mb
1339 [09:47:57] <bezaban> but then system overhead etc. You could
likely strip down a lot, and could compile a smaller kernel for a
smaller footprint. Theoretical minimum you'd have to try
1340 [09:48:40] <bezaban> you can of course also rely on swapping
to disk
1341 [09:48:44] <bezaban> (not recommended)
1342 [09:48:59] <wr> bezaban, yes goal is to strip down as much
possible on debs
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1345 [09:49:29] <bezaban> .debs are only packages, they don't
use ram
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1347 [09:50:14] <wr> bezaban, debs(meant debian)
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1350 [09:50:50] <bezaban> wr: there are specialized distros for
low memory footprints that you might want to look into, unless you
want to make your own
1351 [09:51:11] <wr> like?
1352 [09:51:20] <wr> i know a few only
1353 [09:51:39] <bezaban> ok. I'll google for you
1354 [09:51:40] <bezaban>
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1356 [09:52:23] <bezaban> !goal
1357 [09:52:23] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the
solution is.
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1361 [09:54:43] <wr> bezaban, those distros there i know them
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1364 [09:55:08] <ryzokuken> jelly: got to strech
1365 [09:55:14] <ryzokuken> Exim is still not working
1366 [09:55:24] <ryzokuken> :/
1367 [09:55:42] <wr> ryzokuken, you use backports too?
1368 [09:56:05] <ryzokuken> Not yet on this installation
1369 [09:56:11] <ryzokuken> Cannot get exim to worm
1370 [09:56:13] <ryzokuken> Work**
1371 [09:56:16] <wr> try
1372 [09:56:39] <ryzokuken> How do I add backports?
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1374 [09:58:05] <slax0r>
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1391 [10:05:45] <jelly> ryzokuken: pastebin the whole output of
the command you ran, and what resulted in "Exim is still not
working". There are no backports for stretch (yet).
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1393 [10:06:01] <jelly> !bat
1394 [10:06:02] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
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1395 [10:06:44] <Gekko> well I got the usb dongle working
1396 [10:06:46] <Gekko> ircing via it now
1397 [10:06:50] <Gekko> the problem: user
1398 [10:06:58] <Gekko> It turns out it creates a wifi network I
need to connect to
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1400 [10:07:13] <Gekko> and configuration is done via a web page
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1402 [10:08:02] <Gekko> what baffles me is that it didn't ask
for PIN
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1404 [10:08:34] <wr> by the way, to connect wifi or network via
cli, without a GUI?
1405 [10:10:03] <Gekko> I think simply using nmcli works, or also
wicd-curses
1406 [10:10:26] <Gekko> wicd has a curses GUI
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1409 [10:12:41] <ryzokuken>
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1411 [10:13:07] <ryzokuken> jelly: ^
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1418 [10:17:02] <ryzokuken> jelly: it's probably some sort of
dependency issue
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1421 [10:18:07] <themill> ryzokuken: there are no dependency
issues in stretch
1422 [10:18:16] <themill> /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.config:
32: /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf: Syntax error: Unterminated
quoted string
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1424 [10:18:54] <ryzokuken> I see this
1425 [10:18:59] <ryzokuken> How do I fix it?
1426 [10:19:09] <ryzokuken> Seems like an error in the file
itself.
1427 [10:19:12] <themill> yes
1428 [10:19:16] <ryzokuken> But it works for other people.
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1430 [10:19:56] <themill> your local edits are making it unhappy
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1432 [10:20:33] <ryzokuken> I didn't edit it locally
1433 [10:20:34] <themill> (possibly edited via debconf or possibly
directly)
1434 [10:20:41] <ryzokuken> Oh
1435 [10:20:47] <ryzokuken> That's possible
1436 [10:21:24] <ryzokuken> How do I get the original version
instead?
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1438 [10:22:13] <jelly> can you jsut move it away
1439 [10:22:20] <themill> or just edit it to fix it
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1443 [10:26:26] <jelly> that doesn't look anything like the
aforementioned gnutls-related bug
1444 [10:26:29] <ryzokuken> themill: which one of the two options
is better?
1445 [10:26:43] <ryzokuken> jelly: yes, my bad.
1446 [10:26:55] <ryzokuken> The issue was similar, but the cause
is different
1447 [10:27:05] <jelly> it's not similar at all!
1448 [10:27:21] <jelly> just happens to be in the same package
1449 [10:27:24] <ryzokuken> Alright, it's not similar at all.
1450 [10:27:34] <ryzokuken> I'm new to debian, sorry.
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1453 [10:28:22] <ryzokuken> Had no idea that the difference in the
curves of Debian and other related distros Ubuntu/mint etc would be
so huge.
1454 [10:28:31] <ryzokuken> But it's fun.
1455 [10:28:37] <wr> debian is better
1456 [10:28:49] <jelly> ubuntu defaults to postfix for mta, not
exim
1457 [10:29:04] <ryzokuken> If I get it to run successfully, it
would be awesome.
1458 [10:29:23] <jelly> so... have you looked inside the file or
not
1459 [10:29:29] <ryzokuken> After this, I'll need to setup
Atheros firmware and Nvidia proprietary drivers
1460 [10:29:46] <ryzokuken> jelly: tasksel is running
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1462 [10:30:02] <ryzokuken> I will look into it after it ends.
1463 [10:30:26] <ryzokuken> Please bear with me, and thanks for
all the help.
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1485 [10:44:34] <pawiecki> Hi! Could you help me understand what
the output of the "ntpq -p" command tells? I mean the
asterisk, next to the host. From what I've heard, it means that
selected host is my time server. Man doesn't tell me much, but
this doc:
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1490 [10:49:00] <hid3> Greeting. Has anyone configured
'smartd' daemon to send email notifications about disk
health status changes?
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1507 [10:56:43] <hramrach> hello
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1509 [10:57:12] <hramrach> I tried to install debian powerpc in
qemu
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1512 [10:57:23] <hramrach> and it does not boot
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1514 [10:57:58] <hramrach> I installed the yaboot bootloader on
/dev/sda1 which was the default option
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1525 [11:06:48] <menace> is there a tool, which tests READMEs for
certain standards like linelength? like a readme-linter?
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1527 [11:10:55] <ryzokuken> jelly: themill: moved a few files
1528 [11:11:00] <ryzokuken> With the same error
1529 [11:11:13] <ryzokuken> 2 packages now pass, 2 still fail
1530 [11:11:24] <ryzokuken> Non existent configuration filed
1531 [11:11:26] <ryzokuken> Files**
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1534 [11:12:37] <petn-randall> pawiecki: Can you paste the output
to
replaced-url
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1539 [11:15:40] <ryzokuken> Can anyone help?
1540 [11:15:47] <petn-randall> pawiecki: We can then discuss the
values there.
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1542 [11:16:41] <jelly> ryzokuken: which few files? Show the
"same error"?
1543 [11:16:49] <jelly> !bat
1544 [11:16:50] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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1547 [11:17:52] <ryzokuken> jelly: the error we discussed was of
an unterminated string.
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1549 [11:18:09] <ryzokuken> A few more files threw that error
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1551 [11:18:14] <ryzokuken> Moved all of them
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1553 [11:18:22] <petn-randall> ryzokuken: Don't explain the
errors, show us!
1554 [11:18:22] <ryzokuken> 2 packages work now.
1555 [11:18:41] <petn-randall> ryzokuken: That way we might
recognize them, and be able to help.
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1557 [11:19:04] <ryzokuken> Sure, wait a moment.
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1562 [11:21:31] <ryzokuken>
replaced-url
1563 [11:21:54] <ryzokuken> petn-randall: jelly ^
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1569 [11:25:07] <ryzokuken> petn-randall: copied the template, it
worked.
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1574 [11:29:53] <jelly> ryzokuken: which specific files did you
move away?
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1577 [11:30:57] <ryzokuken> exim4-config.config
1578 [11:31:18] <ryzokuken> exim4-config.postinst
1579 [11:31:35] <ryzokuken> update-exim4.conf
1580 [11:31:42] <ryzokuken> These three
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1582 [11:32:06] <petn-randall> ryzokuken: You can simply remove
exim4 if you don't use the MDA, anyway.
1583 [11:32:27] <ryzokuken> MDA?
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1588 [11:35:24] <jelly> ryzokuken: uh... would that be
/var/lib/dpkg/info/{exim4-config.config,exim4-config.postinst} ?
1589 [11:35:41] <jelly> those are package installation scripts,
you shouldn't mess with those.
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1593 [11:36:14] <pawiecki> petn-randall:
replaced-url
1594 [11:37:04] <ws2k3> how should i resolve this error: error
while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared
object file: No such file or directory i get this when executing a
binary
1595 [11:37:25] <jelly> ws2k3: which command gives out that error?
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1597 [11:37:40] <ws2k3> jelly ./cod2_lnxded
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1600 [11:38:00] <jelly> ws2k3: best way forward is to find a build
made for debian 8 or 7 instead of that old one.
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1602 [11:38:50] <ws2k3> hmm i dont fully understand ur answer.
cause im sure this binary has worked on this machine. i also have
this same application on other debian 7 servers and there they work
fine. so i think there is an issue with that libary
1603 [11:39:06] <ws2k3> i already tryed apt-get install libstdc++5
which normaly resolves the issue but that didnt work now
1604 [11:39:31] <jelly> ws2k3: libstdc++5 does not exist in debian
7 any more.
1605 [11:39:53] <jelly> hm, or maybe it does.
1606 [11:39:58] <ws2k3> libstdc++5 is already the newest version.
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1608 [11:39:59] <jelly> doesn't exist in debian 8 tho.
1609 [11:40:13] <ws2k3> im running debian 7
1610 [11:40:19] <jelly> ws2k3: what does "file
./cod2_lnxded" say?
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1614 [11:40:52] <ryzokuken> jelly: no, those files were from /tmp/
or /etc/ maybe
1615 [11:40:56] <ws2k3> ./cod2_lnxded: ELF 32-bit LSB executable,
Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared
libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, stripped
1616 [11:40:58] <jelly> maybe?
1617 [11:41:02] <ryzokuken> Also, I get reboot not found.
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1619 [11:41:39] <MarkL> hi I am looking for a software to analyze
forex exchange and suggestions for positions, any advice?
1620 [11:41:39] <jelly> ws2k3: so it's a 32bit binary. Did
you install a 32bit libstdc++5 ?
1621 [11:41:43] <ryzokuken> Wait, they were from /etc/exim4
1622 [11:41:55] <ryzokuken> jelly: now I remember
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1625 [11:42:18] <ws2k3> jelly ok this is interesting.
1626 [11:42:43] <ws2k3> jelly working server: find / -name
libstdc++.so.5 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.5
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1628 [11:43:05] <ws2k3> jelly non working server: find / -name
libstdc++.so.5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.5
1629 [11:43:23] <jelly> ws2k3: what does "dpkg
--print-architecture" say on both?
1630 [11:43:52] <ws2k3> jelly both only show amd64
1631 [11:44:11] <ws2k3> jelly but i know the binary is 32bit
1632 [11:44:26] <jelly> ws2k3: so enable i386 foreign arch and
install libstdc++5:i386
1633 [11:44:28] <ws2k3> so i allways do dpkg-add-aritexture i386
or something like that
1634 [11:44:35] <jelly> dpkg, tell ws2k3 about multiarch
1635 [11:44:38] <jelly> yeah
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1637 [11:45:06] <ws2k3> jelly apt-get install libstdc++5:i386
resolved the issue :D thanks alot
1638 [11:45:19] <jelly> !win ws2k3
1639 [11:45:19] <dpkg> Congratulations, ws2k3! You have won a
lifetime supply of spam!
1640 [11:45:21] <ws2k3> i saw ur command and i was like Yeah that
the command i was looking for :D
1641 [11:45:37] <jelly> maybe write it down?
1642 [11:45:47] <ws2k3> jelly will do thx
1643 [11:46:28] <ws2k3> jelly so would that mean this binary
cannot run on debian 8?
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1646 [11:47:26] <ryzokuken> jelly: it's almost all set
1647 [11:47:41] <ryzokuken> I cannot find an option to enable tap
to click though
1648 [11:47:44] <jelly> ws2k3: possibly, at lthe very least
you'd have to pull old libraries from debian 7 to make it work
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1652 [11:50:24] <ryzokuken> jelly: Atheros worked, I am connected
to the network, but no internet
1653 [11:50:42] <feliks> is there a builtin alternative to
`journalctl --vacuum-(size|time|files)=...`?
1654 [11:50:57] <feliks> or what is the canonical way to delete
old systemd logs on debian jessie?
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1656 [11:51:47] <ryzokuken> Okay, internet works now
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1660 [11:52:54] <ryzokuken> But it only checks three servers
during apt update
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1675 [12:03:10] <petn-randall> pawiecki: Looks good. Relevant
values are "reach", which is a bitmask of the last
attempts to reach it. "377" means all bits are 1, so no
attempt failed.
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1678 [12:04:31] * petn-randall thinks about the bits.
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1684 [12:05:59] <petn-randall> Oh, right, 377 is octal.
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1718 [12:20:32] <pawiecki> petn-randall: where can i find detailed
explanations of these fields?
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1733 [12:29:47] <Shadow_7> pawiecki: octal is like hex except
grouped in 3 bit groups, not 4 bits.
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1736 [12:30:25] <Shadow_7> pawiecki: and since a byte is only 8
bits total, the first one is only 2 bits
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1741 [12:31:08] <Shadow_7> pawiecki: so 2+1 - 4+2+1 - 4+2+1 == 377
max value, or 255 decimal or FF hex
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1743 [12:32:08] <Shadow_7> pawiecki: relative to 11111111 binary
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1753 [12:37:08] <Shadow_7> ws2k3: Sometimes linking libstdc++6 as
libstdc++5 works to get things like that less grumpy. But risky as
it might fail elsewhere with API/ABI changes.
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1757 [12:39:30] <Shadow_7> ws2k3: with strace to strip out open(
things to know it's true name.
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1759 [12:40:47] <Shadow_7> ws2k3: or grepping the source for the
thing the outputs the error to see what it's "really"
checking for. Since cut and paste warriors sometimes don't
adjust strings to be meaningful.
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1771 [12:45:11] <randomgry> is there a package which has all of
qt5 stuff and its development headers ?
1772 [12:45:15] <randomgry> metapackage
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1775 [12:46:23] <Shadow_7> randomgry: like qt5-dev ?
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1777 [12:47:11] <Shadow_7> looks like qtbase5-dev is the more
relevant package name that actually exists.
1778 [12:47:41] <Shadow_7> installing the -dev normally grabs all
the other packages. (in theory)
1779 [12:50:46] <randomgry> Shadow_7: ok thanks
1780 [12:51:39] <randomgry> cmake also says 'Could NOT find
KF5' now, what is that?
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1783 [12:52:22] <themill> if only apt had a search mechanism!
1784 [12:52:48] <randomgry> i find it a bit hard to scroll
through, when i tried seatching for qt5 it was a long list
1785 [12:52:57] <randomgry> i didn't come up with a good way
to work around tht
1786 [12:52:58] <randomgry> that
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1816 [13:10:59] <wr> wanna do wake on wan and remote desktop
between Debian machines, what would you guys suggest to use
graphically besides ssh?
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1822 [13:16:57] <at0m> wr: you do not need anything besides ssh
and the apps you want to use (and, X on the display machine, ofc)
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1826 [13:17:25] <wr> at0m my goal is to have pc off wake it up and
use full GUI of Debian
1827 [13:17:38] <at0m> wr: just ssh -X user@host $app
1828 [13:17:42] <at0m> oh, full desktop?
1829 [13:17:48] <wr> yes
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1831 [13:17:58] <at0m> better VNC then, afaik
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1834 [13:18:08] <wr> at0m, i need something so good as ssh but for
the GUI part
1835 [13:18:13] <at0m> ssh -X'd apps will close then ssh
closes
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1837 [13:18:18] <at0m> *when
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1840 [13:18:32] <wr> at0m, witch version of vnc works better?
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1845 [13:19:46] <at0m> for the WOL, apt install wakeonlan then
wakeonlan $MAC
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1847 [13:20:04] <at0m> for the vnc, let me check what i had set
up..
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1856 [13:21:47] <nicknock> hi
1857 [13:22:00] <wondiws> where did I have to go or a question
where I can mention "sid" without being sanctioned? ;)
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1859 [13:22:10] <wondiws> for*
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1863 [13:22:28] <at0m> dpkg: tell wondiws about testing
1864 [13:22:35] <nicknock> someone can suggest me the best sw to
virtualize win10 into debian?
1865 [13:22:50] <wondiws> at0m, sid isn't testing, it's
unstable ;)
1866 [13:23:03] <at0m> wondiws: same place you have to go
1867 [13:23:08] <at0m> same factoid
1868 [13:23:14] <at0m> dpkg: tell wondiws about sid
1869 [13:23:25] <wondiws> but anyway, I'm using XFCE, and the
option to enable tap to click for my touchpad is missing in the
Mouse and Touchpad options
1870 [13:23:40] <at0m> or better, testing factoid has the
debian-next channel
1871 [13:23:58] <coke> nicknock: kvm?
1872 [13:24:00] <ryzokuken> Hey everyone!
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1874 [13:24:34] <at0m> wr: for vnc without physical remote
display, apt show vncserver
1875 [13:24:42] <at0m> that'll do
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1877 [13:24:57] <wr> at0m, vncserver or vnc4server is it same?
1878 [13:25:26] <at0m> wr: vnc4server installs vncserver
1879 [13:25:34] <ryzokuken> Could I find a sorted list of DEs by
default resource hunger?
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1881 [13:26:14] <wr> at0m, great its what i have, now just need
the config properly
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1887 [13:27:19] <wr> ryzokuken,
replaced-url
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1890 [13:28:29] <at0m> wr: i'm out, good luck =)
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1894 [13:30:48] <wondiws> at0m, but I see now the synaptics
packages aren't installed yet, I'll do this first
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2064 [15:02:40] <vNistelroot> hey guys
2065 [15:02:57] <vNistelroot> dear people, ive spent a great
amount of time to fix an issue with gnuradio
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2067 [15:03:17] <vNistelroot> but it seems like someone over here
could help to give me a light
2068 [15:03:22] <vNistelroot> ImportError:
libgnuradio-runtime.so.3.7.5: cannot open shared object file: No
such
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2070 [15:03:32] <vNistelroot> but currently my gnuradiio is 3.7.8
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2094 [15:12:23] <altyr> vNistelroot: how did you install gnuradio?
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2102 [15:14:24] <Shadow_7> vNistelroot: apt-get install
libgnuradio-runtime3.7.5
2103 [15:14:51] <Shadow_7> vNistelroot: perhaps you didn't
install the parent package to get GRC aka gnu radio companion
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2105 [15:15:15] <Shadow_7> or something like that... terminology
is not my strong suit.
2106 [15:15:27] <vNistelroot> i installed it from source
2107 [15:15:27] <altyr> Shadow_7: the gnu radio version is 3.7.8.
there's something else happening
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2109 [15:15:40] <vNistelroot> but at first time i installed it
from repository
2110 [15:15:48] <vNistelroot> let me try
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2114 [15:16:29] <vNistelroot> but why is needed to install 3.7.5
when gnuradio is 3.7.8?
2115 [15:16:45] <vNistelroot> in /usr/local/lib/ i have
libgnuradio-runtime3.7.8
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2117 [15:17:01] <vNistelroot> but for some reason is still looking
for 3.7.5
2118 [15:17:35] <Shadow_7> It's 3.7.5-5 on jessie
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2120 [15:18:08] <Shadow_7> vNistelroot: probably have /usr/lib/
before /usr/local/lib in $PATH things
2121 [15:18:27] <themill> An interesting mixture of packaged and
compiled binaries will cause hilarity.
2122 [15:18:58] <Shadow_7> ,v gnuradio
2123 [15:18:59] <judd> Package: gnuradio on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.5.3.2-1; wheezy-backports: 3.7.5-3~bpo70+3; jessie: 3.7.5-5;
jessie-backports: 3.7.10.1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 3.7.10.1-2+b3; stretch:
3.7.10.1-2+b3
2124 [15:19:12] <altyr> vNistelroot: make sure you fully purged
all traces of the version you got from the repo. and by the way, you
can get 3.7.10 from backports if you need some new feature
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2132 [15:22:48] <vNistelroot> so make uninstall recent compiled
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2134 [15:22:54] <vNistelroot> apt-get remove --purge all things
2135 [15:22:59] <vNistelroot> and rerun the process
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2137 [15:23:05] <vNistelroot> let see.. :|
2138 [15:23:25] <vNistelroot> i rare come into this issues
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2143 [15:28:56] <vNistelroot> hmm in fact gnuradio works fine
2144 [15:29:17] <vNistelroot> but gr-gsm tell me
2145 [15:29:23] <vNistelroot> in a cmake command
2146 [15:29:46] <vNistelroot> Cannot generate a safe runtime
search path for target grgsm because files .... runtime library
[libgnuradio-runtime.so] in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu may be hidden
by files in:
2147 [15:29:56] <vNistelroot> /usr/local/lib
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2149 [15:30:23] <vNistelroot> let see if im able to solve that
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2158 [15:32:17] <flashdance> Good Morning, fellow programmers
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2171 [15:35:58] <Shadow_7> we are not programmers, we are programs
in a matrix
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2174 [15:37:25] <flashdance> yep,
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2187 [15:45:57] <dopdopdop> lost conn dont know if msg got through
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2189 [15:46:03] <dopdopdop> hi, I'm on 64-bit sid and trying
to add 32-bit arch but "dpkg --add-architecture i386"
doesn't do anything, help appreciated
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2193 [15:46:53] <uniTosch> did you run apt update afterwards?
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2196 [15:47:18] <dopdopdop> yes
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2198 [15:48:16] <uniTosch> and it gets listed if you run dpkg
--print-foreign-architectures
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2200 [15:48:32] <dopdopdop> yes
2201 [15:49:23] <uniTosch> what did you try to do and how did it
fail?
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2203 [15:50:28] <dopdopdop> tried to use playonlinux and after
creating a bottle wine crashes on 64bit and 32bit wine right on
start
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2207 [15:51:13] <dopdopdop> I recall having this issue long time
ago but I dont remember what did I do except it being related to
multiarch
2208 [15:51:30] <uniTosch> do you have wine32 installed?
2209 [15:51:38] <Shadow_7> back when wine only had a 32 bit
version?
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2213 [15:52:00] <dopdopdop> Shadow_7: yeah probably
2214 [15:52:04] <wr> dopdopdop, wine and playonlinux using wine
always sucks
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2217 [15:52:56] <dopdopdop> uniTosch: I don't know what
package I should be looking for to see if I have it
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2219 [15:53:08] <uniTosch> wine32 is the package.
2220 [15:53:19] <dopdopdop> it doesn't show in the repo
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2223 [15:53:37] <dopdopdop> probably because adding arch didnt
work?
2224 [15:53:55] <Shadow_7> dopdopdop: apt-get install wine:i386
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2226 [15:54:03] <uniTosch> it did work. but adding the arch will
not install 32 bit wine.
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2229 [15:55:12] <dopdopdop> Shadow_7: "'wine:i386'
has no installation candidate"
2230 [15:55:24] <uniTosch> dopdopdop: apt-cache policy wine32
doesn't show anything?
2231 [15:56:06] <Shadow_7> apt-cache search --names-only wine
2232 [15:56:24] <Shadow_7> seems that wine is the 32 bit version?
and wine64 is the 64 bit one... idk
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2235 [15:56:52] <flashdance> crossover is a powerful program... I
enjoy utilizing unix software's as much as possible.
2236 [15:56:53] <uniTosch> wine32 is the 32 bit version. wine is a
virtual package.
2237 [15:56:55] <Shadow_7> last time I used it, wine popped up
instructions for the 32 bit version and it just worked if you
followed the instructions.
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2240 [15:57:27] <dopdopdop> says Installed (none) but also says
there is candidate 1.8
2241 [15:57:30] <Shadow_7> which was adding the multi-arch and
installing the 32 bit wine
2242 [15:57:52] <dopdopdop> i think I messed it up when I
installed wine before adding arch
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2244 [15:58:05] <Shadow_7> dopdopdop: perhaps dselect will merge
the sources better.... apt-get install dselect... dselect update...
2245 [15:58:12] <uniTosch> dopdopdop: so install wine32.
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2247 [15:58:59] <user123irc> what is an native desktop environment
for debian ?
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2249 [15:59:17] <uniTosch> there is none. the installer lets you
select one.
2250 [15:59:48] <Shadow_7> on ubuntu you apt-get install
ubuntu-desktop... not sure if there's a debian-desktop
2251 [15:59:57] <dopdopdop> Shadow_7: ok did dselect, uniTosch
trying still :D
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2255 [16:00:41] <uniTosch> dopdopdop: trying what? apt install
wine32 is all that you need to do.
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2257 [16:00:59] <flashdance> plasma desktop is popular today, but
haven't tried it.
2258 [16:01:19] <Shadow_7> I just use cwm, although no package for
it yet.
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2260 [16:01:36] <dopdopdop> uniTosch: Ok tried again that and now
it lets
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2263 [16:02:31] <user123irc> so question , what would be best
integrated desktop for debian ?
2264 [16:02:35] <dopdopdop> should print architecture show only
amd64 though?
2265 [16:02:53] <uniTosch> yes
2266 [16:03:02] <dopdopdop> thanks
2267 [16:03:23] <uniTosch> --print-architecture and
--print-foreign-architectures are different.
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2275 [16:04:14] <Shadow_7> user123irc: whatever you choose. Things
don't "break" in debian if you switch wm/de
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2278 [16:05:19] <Shadow_7> As long as the needs of the things
don't differ too much... wicd vs network-manager and whatnot
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2280 [16:05:38] <dopdopdop> playonlinux works now THX THX :)
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2282 [16:06:02] <hiole24> hi
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2284 [16:06:29] <hiole24> I just runned into a problem with
downloading things from youtube
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2286 [16:07:07] <hiole24> when i want to download a playlist i try
to run youtube-dl and then use the url for the specific youtube user
2287 [16:07:11] <hiole24> but it says
2288 [16:07:19] <Shadow_7> one that youtube-dl can't solve?
+/- --list-formats --format can't solve?
2289 [16:07:27] <user123irc> so Xfce would be lightest desktop for
Debian yes ?
2290 [16:07:35] <hiole24> ERROR: Unable to download webpage: HTTP
Error 410: Gone; please report this issue on
replaced-url
2291 [16:07:51] <hiole24> i already have the newest version of
youtube-dl
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2293 [16:07:56] <Shadow_7> user123irc: depends on how you define
light. icewm might be lighter... jwm lighter still
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2295 [16:08:10] <Shadow_7> with dwm being probably lightest
2296 [16:08:16] <jelly> hiole24: which package version do you
actually have installed?
2297 [16:08:17] <user123irc> but Xfce has more functionality
2298 [16:08:22] <hiole24> is there another program or other way to
download the whole playlist from youtube or the whole channel ?
2299 [16:08:38] <jelly> user123irc: lxde/lxqt may be lighterer
2300 [16:08:46] <hiole24> jelly how can i find this out ?
2301 [16:09:01] <jelly> hiole24: dpkg -l youtube-dl, apt-cache
policy youtube-dl
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2303 [16:09:18] <jelly> ,v youtube-dl
2304 [16:09:19] <judd> Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- jessie:
2014.08.05-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 2017.02.07-1~bpo8+1; stretch:
2017.02.07-1; sid: 2017.03.26-1
2305 [16:09:27] <Shadow_7> youtube-dl --version
2306 [16:09:30] <hiole24> ii youtube-dl 2014.08.05-1 all
downloader of videos from YouTube
2307 [16:09:52] <jelly> hiole24: yeah that's horribly old
2308 [16:10:01] <hiole24> oh wow
2309 [16:10:02] <jelly> dpkg, tell hiole24 about jessie-backports
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2311 [16:10:30] <wr> user123irc, xfce its not the lightest on
debian
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2314 [16:10:53] <jelly> even the one in jessie-backports from
February is too old for some sites (but possibly good enough for
youtube.com)
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2316 [16:11:45] <hiole24> jelly so i need to edit source list ?
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2320 [16:14:38] <tw> jelly: From experience, it's not good
enough for youtube.com.
2321 [16:14:58] <hiole24> im running jessie 8.5 version
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2323 [16:15:04] <tw> It only fails for maybe 10-20% though, so
ymmv.
2324 [16:15:09] <hiole24> i dont know if its not to old
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2330 [16:17:49] <hiole24> when i try to do the update it says
2331 [16:17:52] <hiole24> It looks like you installed youtube-dl
with a package manager, pip, setup.py or a tarball. Please use that
to update.
2332 [16:18:01] <jelly> yes.
2333 [16:18:16] <hiole24> what should i do, im just confused
2334 [16:18:21] <jelly> that's because you install it with
the package manager
2335 [16:18:25] <vNistelroot> got it now!
2336 [16:18:25] <jelly> instaled* it
2337 [16:18:46] <vNistelroot> deleted all traces, purged
everything and look step by step
2338 [16:18:47] <vNistelroot> :)
2339 [16:18:54] <vNistelroot> now gr-gsm is working fine
2340 [16:19:12] <hiole24> jelly so do i need to make changes to
the sources list ?
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2342 [16:19:42] <hiole24> or i can download the new package
manager for youtube-dl ?
2343 [16:19:46] <vNistelroot> thanks you guys for your advices, at
least gave me an extra mile motivation mile to solve this...
2344 [16:19:49] <hiole24> and then extract it
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2346 [16:20:44] <jelly> hiole24: you could remove the current one
with apt-get remove ... and then grab and use the standalone from
yt-dl.org
2347 [16:21:13] <jelly> "package manager" is an OS
component, that apt-get thing is part of it
2348 [16:21:30] <hiole24> oh ok
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2358 [16:25:00] <vNistelroot> yeeeeah now im able to see gsm
traffic into wireshark
2359 [16:25:10] <vNistelroot> im almost crying xd
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2363 [16:26:16] <hiole24> i installed curl
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2365 [16:26:47] <hiole24> and then i installed youtube-dl using
this line
2366 [16:26:48] <hiole24> curl -L
replaced-url
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2368 [16:27:04] <hiole24> but when i checked for the current
version it is still the same a the old one
2369 [16:27:16] <hiole24> ( i did remover the older one before
doing this )
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2372 [16:27:24] <hiole24> remove*
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2384 [16:30:04] <tiny> Is it possible to insert ionice/nice
parameters to startup scripts in /etc/init.d/
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2401 [16:34:34] <hiole24> so i did downalod the tar file for the
current version of youtube-dl and i run apt-get install
youtube_dl-2017.5.9.tar.gz
2402 [16:34:40] <hiole24> and i get this message
2403 [16:34:55] <hiole24> Unable to locate package
youtube_dl-2017.5.9.tar.gz
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2405 [16:35:06] <hiole24> Couldn't find any package by regex
'youtube_dl-2017.5.9.tar.gz'
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2409 [16:35:51] <jelly> hiole24: that curl was basically enough.
Just chmod +x the resulting file
2410 [16:36:07] <jelly> you don't need the tarball
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2412 [16:36:32] <hiole24> but it did not work
2413 [16:36:44] <tw> did you run chmod +x on the file you
downloaded?
2414 [16:37:05] <hiole24> yes
2415 [16:37:10] <hiole24> i runned this
2416 [16:37:13] <hiole24> curl -L
replaced-url
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2420 [16:37:26] <hiole24> and then chmod a+rx
/usr/local/bin/youtube-dl
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2428 [16:39:38] <hiole24> i just dont know right now
2429 [16:39:57] <jelly> hiole24: that's it then
2430 [16:40:02] <jelly> use it.
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2432 [16:40:32] <jelly> (as normal user, not root)
2433 [16:40:48] <hid3> Hello. Is MySQL server called
'mariadb' in Debian 9? What package(s) should I install to
get the server running?
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2435 [16:41:13] <hiole24> let me try
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2446 [16:42:31] <jelly> hid3: default-mysql-server or
mysql-server, probably.
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2448 [16:42:40] <hid3> hm.. Alright
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2450 [16:42:42] <jelly> ,v default-mysql-server
2451 [16:42:43] <judd> Package: default-mysql-server on amd64 --
jessie-backports: 1.0.1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.0.2; stretch: 1.0.2
2452 [16:43:09] <hiole24> oh wow it does work
2453 [16:43:19] <hiole24> btw
2454 [16:43:22] <hid3> It offers 'mariadb' installation.
So Has MySQL been renamed or ..?
2455 [16:43:31] <hiole24> its pretty large channel
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2457 [16:43:48] <hiole24> is there a way to stop it and then make
it download again from where it stoped
2458 [16:43:50] <hiole24> ?
2459 [16:44:11] <jelly> hid3: that's probably in the release
notes for stretch, did you read those?
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2461 [16:44:21] <jelly> hid3:
replaced-url
2462 [16:44:24] <hid3> Nope. Never waste my time for that
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2464 [16:44:43] <jelly> alight, I won't waste my time helping
you further then
2465 [16:44:45] <tw> hiole24: it will skip files you have already
downloaded after checking them.
2466 [16:45:34] <hid3> sorry, this is probably not what I meant
and you understood
2467 [16:45:42] <hiole24> tw oh ok so if i run the same command
again it will only download the ones that did not download
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2469 [16:46:05] <hid3> I usually check migration guides for
best-practice migrations
2470 [16:46:10] <hiole24> thats great to know
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2472 [16:46:33] <hid3> and in this case, I'm setting up a new
system, using a testing branch, which isn't really out yet
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2476 [16:47:27] <hiole24> i think youtube will require monthly
payments just to use their website in few years
2477 [16:48:10] <hiole24> creating account just to use google will
be the first thing
2478 [16:48:15] <hiole24> i mean youtube
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2495 [16:55:22] <petn-randall> hiole24: Why? The still make tons
of money off the data they collect about you.
2496 [16:55:26] <petn-randall> *They
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2498 [16:56:20] <jelly> hid3: and now you know release notes are
not just for upgrades.
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2501 [16:56:53] <petn-randall> hiole24: 80+% of Google's
profits are still via targeted advertisement. Maintaining the
youtube servers is only a small bump in the expenses.
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2503 [16:57:06] * petn-randall ponders moving this too -offtopic.
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2521 [17:02:50] <hid3> jelly: yep, I do. Thanks for heads-up.
Noticed samba version has also changed, and from what I know,
I'll have to redo quite a big section of my smb.conf, as
currently mine is running on Wheezy
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2524 [17:05:08] <hiole24> petn-randall there is more and more
people using adblock soon they will realize they making nothing
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2527 [17:05:23] <hiole24> and they will change it
2528 [17:05:25] <hiole24> OR
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2530 [17:05:33] <hiole24> they will say like every big company
2531 [17:05:34] <petn-randall> "soon"
2532 [17:05:37] <hiole24> we need more money
2533 [17:05:44] <petn-randall> hiole24: Let's move this to
#debian-offtopic.
2534 [17:05:50] <hiole24> yep
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2571 [17:27:32] <setuid> What's the best, programmatic way to
get a package's major version, other than: "dpkg-deb -f
foo.deb Version | cut -b1"
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2606 [17:39:35] <jelly> setuid: that doesn't for a nonzero
epoch
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2608 [17:40:23] <setuid> jelly: Can you give me an example?
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2610 [17:40:36] <jelly> Package: ntp
2611 [17:40:37] <jelly> Version: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u1
2612 [17:40:40] <setuid> I've tripped on this in a bit of
automation code/scripts (that I didn't write), and am trying to
clean it up
2613 [17:41:14] <jelly> getting the "major" number is
pretty much useless anyway
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2616 [17:42:05] <petn-randall> I think the epoch is pretty major,
isn't it?
2617 [17:42:20] <jelly> wouldn't call it pretty
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2620 [17:42:46] <setuid> The caller looks like: if [
"$(dpkg-deb -f diamond.deb Version | cut -b1)" -le 3 ];
then .. rm -f diamond.deb; fi
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2625 [17:44:55] <jelly> and if there's no diamond.deb at all?
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2634 [17:47:31] <BanHammor> Hi! i'm trying to boot a qemu off
a debootstrap with the second stage not yet done
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2637 [17:48:00] <BanHammor> it refuses to log me in, citing
"PAM failure, aborting"
2638 [17:48:09] <BanHammor> what am I supposed to do here?
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2640 [17:49:16] <Shadow_7> push the caps lock key?
2641 [17:49:48] <BanHammor> what?
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2643 [17:50:10] <BanHammor> why would that help?
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2645 [17:50:19] <Shadow_7> most people trying to login with
password often don't notice that the capslock key got
triggered.
2646 [17:50:44] <Shadow_7> or that it was triggered when they
created the password
2647 [17:51:17] <BanHammor> i haven't set a password.
It's a debootstrap without having done the second stage, so
packages didn't get configured yet
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2650 [17:52:00] <jelly> BanHammor: try to finish it up with
qemu-user?
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2678 [18:07:22] <AlexPortable> Which version of php is included in
debian?
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2685 [18:09:27] <Shadow_7> ,v php
2686 [18:09:28] <judd> Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49;
sid: 1:7.0+52
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2689 [18:09:34] <niab>
replaced-url
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2692 [18:09:43] <Shadow_7> ,v php5
2693 [18:09:44] <judd> Package: php5 on amd64 -- wheezy:
5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u8; jessie:
5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1
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2702 [18:14:20] <theseb> possible to "uninstall" LVM if
doesn't work w/o reinstalling linux?
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2714 [18:19:03] <frostschutz> theseb, it depends on your specific
partitioning/setup
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2716 [18:19:27] <AlexPortable> When will debian get php 7?
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2722 [18:20:33] <abrotman> AlexPortable: in which version of
Debian?
2723 [18:20:38] <AlexPortable> Newest
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2725 [18:20:45] <abrotman> that's vague
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2727 [18:20:58] <abrotman> judd: versions php7.0
2728 [18:20:59] <judd> Package: php7.0 on amd64 -- sid: 7.0.14-2;
stretch: 7.0.16-3; sid: 7.0.18-3
2729 [18:21:08] <AlexPortable> I don't have any debian
version installed
2730 [18:21:14] <abrotman> Okay
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2786 [19:03:02] <setuid> jelly: Sorry, stepped away. There's
always a diamond.deb, they output their download to that filename,
but you have a valid point about versioning. There's no error
checking here, jsut blind faith.
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2822 [19:16:20] <AlexPortable> Stretch will come shipped with php
7 right?
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2828 [19:18:13] <Brigo> AlexPortable, it is already in Stretch,
yes.
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2926 [20:03:33] <Char0n> someone experience with virtualbox and
debian? try to ssh in but get 'authentication failed'.
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2929 [20:03:53] <Char0n> normal login over virtualbox works fine.
sshd is running. don't geti t.
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2939 [20:07:35] <teraflops> Char0n: are you ssh'ing to the
right location? are the ip/port reachable?
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2943 [20:08:14] <Char0n> well i'm ssh to localhost. vm
running on the same machine. so should work, no? get to the password
promt so there is a connection
2944 [20:08:23] <teraflops> nope
2945 [20:09:07] <teraflops> …unless youre forwarding por 22
to the vm somehow
2946 [20:09:25] <Char0n> hm nope, i don't. i look into that.
thanks
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2949 [20:10:13] <teraflops> I was about to ask you: what kind of
network the vm has. nat/bridge?
2950 [20:10:14] <jhutchins> Char0n: You can add -v (up to -vvv)
for more verbose output on the client, or check the logs on the
server.
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2954 [20:11:07] <teraflops> I meant port^
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2957 [20:12:47] <Char0n> aah, works. port forwarding did the
trick.
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3063 [20:52:52] <TikityTik> Why doesn't debian use the newest
version of firefox?
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3067 [20:53:36] <setuid> Char0n: Are you ssh'ing to -p 2222
on localhost?
3068 [20:54:12] <Char0n> nope. 22 not 2222
3069 [20:54:15] <mutante> TikityTik: because it prefers to wait
until possible bugs in the latest version have been sorted out and
it becomes more stable
3070 [20:54:19] <Char0n> and as said, works fine now.
3071 [20:54:20] <setuid> Char0n: vboxmanage list runningvms | grep
"[[:lower:]]*" | awk -F '[{}]' '{print
$2}' | while read line; do vboxmanage showvminfo $line | grep
Rule; done;
3072 [20:54:29] <greycat> TikityTik: because the most recent ESR
version of Firefox broke so much shit.
3073 [20:54:34] <setuid> The default is 2222, unless you've
changed it in your vbox rules
3074 [20:54:39] <greycat> Therefore Debian is still on the
previous ESR series.
3075 [20:54:43] <TikityTik> greycat, so we have to wait on 45?
3076 [20:54:44] <qurious> TikityTik: What version are you
currently using?
3077 [20:54:48] <TikityTik> qurious, 45
3078 [20:54:51] <Char0n> i'm running on a Win host. 22 was
the standard. did not changed anything.
3079 [20:54:59] <qurious> TikityTik: I have 45.9.
3080 [20:55:11] <TikityTik> qurious, same
3081 [20:55:14] <greycat> You can do whatever you want. You want
to run an upstream firefox? Download and run it. When all your shit
breaks, you will see why Debian didn't elect to shove it at
everyone.
3082 [20:55:21] <setuid> 22 was never the standard, not with vbox,
we're not talking about sshd's port, we're talking
about the vbox port-forward rules
3083 [20:55:29] <greycat> ,v firefox-esr
3084 [20:55:29] <qurious> greycat: Valid.
3085 [20:55:29] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 --
wheezy-security: 45.9.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1;
jessie-security: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 45.9.0esr-1; stretch:
45.9.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1;
experimental: 52.1.0esr-1
3086 [20:55:49] <qurious> TikityTik: I'd prefer stability and
securement.
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3089 [20:57:34] <TikityTik> Why is Debian using CUPS 1.7.5?
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3091 [20:58:14] <greycat> !stable
3092 [20:58:14] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release
when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes
will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be
removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian
is Jessie (8.8); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are
fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me
about <security backports>).
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3095 [20:59:08] <greycat> dpkg, stable =~ s/, new versions
introduced/ or version-bumped,/
3096 [20:59:08] <dpkg> greycat: OK
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3098 [20:59:37] <missmbob> say why one more time...
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3105 [21:04:42] <mutante> TikityTik: in general to find out you
can do this: go to
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3112 [21:08:22] <BanHammor> greycat, is there a place where i can
read about said shit breaking?
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3115 [21:09:01] <Shadow_7> BanHammor: like bug reports?
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3118 [21:09:21] <greycat> The biggest one I can remember off hand
is that newer Firefox will no longer play sound through ALSA; you
have to have PulseAudio running.
3119 [21:09:25] <ryzokuken> Hey all! I wanted to install
proprietary Nvidia drivers on my system
3120 [21:09:29] <Shadow_7> reportbug and apt-listbugs
3121 [21:10:17] <ryzokuken> The thing is, in lspci -nn, the Nvidia
card is only listed as a 3D controller and only Intel card is listed
as VGA controller.
3122 [21:10:30] <ryzokuken> Should the Nvidia card be listed as
both of them?
3123 [21:10:42] <ryzokuken> Also, nvidia-detect couldn't
detect it.
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3127 [21:11:15] <BanHammor> Optimus?
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3134 [21:15:09] <Shadow_7> does bumblebee handle that stuff?
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3147 [21:19:01] <xjoni> Hi i have a distro base debian, i need
install drivers for amd card but i cant this
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3150 [21:20:19] <missmbob> !based on debian
3151 [21:20:19] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare
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3154 [21:20:56] <ryzokuken> BanHammor: Shadow_7: yes and yes
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3165 [21:24:08] <BanHammor> ryzokuken, you should probably follow
this guide then:
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3175 [21:27:38] <xjoni> :( but channel for distro deepin is dead
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3178 [21:28:18] <missmbob> doesnt make it appropriate to ask in
here. be patient.
3179 [21:28:20] <greycat> Which makes one wonder why in the hell
you would use it.
3180 [21:28:45] <n4dir> i often go to the car mechanic, in case i
can't find a dentist. Seems to make sense
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3189 [21:33:09] <BanHammor> step one, switch to debian :P
3190 [21:33:37] <JPT> step two, write your own kernel :)
3191 [21:33:55] <Shadow_7> probably a reason why it's dead.
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3193 [21:35:28] <altyr> I doubt it's dead. It's just
Chinese, so one would have to go to the Chinese web for help.
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3195 [21:36:00] <altyr> xjoni: a general Linux channel might be
able to help
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3201 [21:38:50] <Shadow_7> Sadly ##linux requires a registered
nick
3202 [21:39:21] <greycat> A solvable problem.
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3204 [21:40:06] <Shadow_7> but not a good recommendation for nubs
who barely know how to use irc (or want to)
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3206 [21:41:10] <tsglove> hey man
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3209 [21:41:47] <xjoni> altyr wt channel?
3210 [21:42:00] <`Kevin> Shadow_7: its ideal to get rid of bots :)
3211 [21:42:43] <jhutchins> xjoni: Alternatively, install debian,
get the card working in debian, take what you learn and fix the
other distro.
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3213 [21:43:03] <aequatio42> hello @all :)
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3216 [21:43:56] <xjoni> hehe im noob i cant this jhutchins
3217 [21:44:20] <jhutchins> xjoni: That is why you do things to
learn.
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3219 [21:44:34] <codebam_> I had power loss when I did an apt
upgrade, the upgrade hadn't even started barely (just started
downloading), but when I reboot and tried again it said everything
was up to date?
3220 [21:44:36] <codebam_> how do I fix it
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3228 [21:47:02] <aequatio42> codebam: i really don't know if
this will help, but i would try a 'apt-get autclean'
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3231 [21:47:25] <greycat> all that does is remove some .deb files
from the cache
3232 [21:47:31] <greycat> after you fix the typo
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3235 [21:47:57] <jhutchins> codebam_: I would try aptitude -f
install
3236 [21:48:15] <codebam_> greycat: that didn't work, thanks
though
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3238 [21:48:24] <codebam_> jhutchins: I don't know what
packages they were
3239 [21:48:26] <aequatio42> jhutchins: yes this often helps :D
3240 [21:48:55] <greycat> "apt-get -f install" does not
require a package name
3241 [21:48:59] <jhutchins> codebam_: That's ok. aptitude -f
install will look for broken packages/dependencies and try to fix
them (see man page for details).
3242 [21:49:06] <codebam_> ohh okay
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3246 [21:50:40] <codebam_> I don't have "aptitude"?
3247 [21:50:50] <codebam_> also I can't figure out how to
install it
3248 [21:50:53] <greycat> use apt-get instead.
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3250 [21:51:10] <codebam_> I tried that first, nothing happened
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3253 [21:51:52] <greycat> Check apt's log and see what
happened. Maybe it finished and you just don't realize it yet.
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3259 [21:52:44] <n4dir> do i remember it wrong? Seems like if an
upgrade was interrupted, the next run of apt-get upgrade told me to
run "apt-get install -f "
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3262 [21:53:15] <altyr> xjoni: if you can get into ##linux you can
ask them. not sure if they know, but that's the channel i had
in mind
3263 [21:53:22] <greycat> He believes that something is wrong, but
has no evidence yet that anything actually IS wrong.
3264 [21:53:45] <n4dir> yeah, that kinda was my point: probably
nothing is wrong at all
3265 [21:53:49] <codebam_> last thing in my log is an install of
rfkill
3266 [21:54:02] <codebam_> that was last night, I installed it
myself
3267 [21:54:49] <codebam_> I can't find aptitude in my repos
though
3268 [21:54:55] <codebam_> so obviously something is wrong
3269 [21:55:03] <greycat> stop worrying about aptitude. Some
people think it's worth using. It's not.
3270 [21:55:24] <altyr> aptitude is the best
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3272 [21:55:30] <codebam_> okay I fixed it
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3274 [21:55:36] <n4dir> not sure about "apt-get check"
Is it worth a try?
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3276 [21:55:45] <codebam_> I changed repos, and changed back
3277 [21:55:54] <codebam_> how do I force update?
3278 [21:55:59] <greycat> what.
3279 [21:56:01] <codebam_> (update, not upgrade)
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3282 [21:56:20] <codebam_> i.e. update my package lists forcefully
even if apt thinks they're up to date
3283 [21:56:24] <greycat> So you believe that your *lists* (the
things that apt-get update makes) are corrupt/missing?
3284 [21:56:33] <codebam_> they definitely were
3285 [21:56:43] <greycat> And running "apt-get update"
again did not re-download them?
3286 [21:56:44] <codebam_> not missing, but apt thought they were
up to date
3287 [21:56:46] <codebam_> they were not
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3289 [21:56:50] <codebam_> greycat: correct
3290 [21:56:54] <codebam_> I had to switch repos
3291 [21:56:59] <codebam_> and then it showed updates
3292 [21:57:13] <greycat> well, you could delete them. or you
could edit sources.list, apt-get update, edit it BACK, apt-get
update again.
3293 [21:57:40] <codebam_> so there isn't a command to force
a package list update?
3294 [21:57:41] <codebam_> okay
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3302 [22:01:14] <gamozo> Is there a way to disable checks of
InRelease expiration during an install? (installing from a offline
mirror of debian that only updates every month or so)
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3307 [22:03:09] <gamozo> ah, was setting the check-valid-until
option in the wrong /etc/ folder :P
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3321 [22:07:22] <randomgry> I found
replaced-url
3322 [22:07:48] <codebam_> there is a telegram-desktop package in
the repos, how can I download the source, update it to the latest
version, and build it?
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3324 [22:08:00] <codebam_> using the existing package as a
template ideally
3325 [22:08:38] <codebam_> I downloaded all the source files
listed here
replaced-url
3326 [22:08:42] <codebam_> but I don't know how to start
3327 [22:08:59] <altyr> ,checkbackport telegram-desktop
3328 [22:09:01] <judd> Backporting package telegram-desktop in
sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies:
Build-Depends: libmapbox-variant-dev, libmsgsl-dev, qtbase5-dev
(>= 5.5), qtbase5-private-dev (>= 5.5).
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3330 [22:09:46] <altyr> codebam_: what version of debian are you
on?
3331 [22:09:53] <codebam_> sid
3332 [22:10:13] <codebam_> I don't want to backport, I want
to update the package
3333 [22:10:33] <missmbob> !uupdate
3334 [22:10:33] <dpkg> uupdate (in the <devscripts> package)
upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if
the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get
source foo; wget -nd
replaced-url
3335 [22:10:34] <greycat> ... what.
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3341 [22:11:31] <simbalion`> Hi, no matter what program I use cd
burning always fails, can anyone suggest a solution?
3342 [22:11:42] <BanHammor> simbalion`, what error?
3343 [22:12:11] <greycat> Classic generic answer: make sure your
desktop crap is not automounting the CD while you are attempting to
burn it.
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3345 [22:12:28] <missmbob> classic answer #2: get a new drive
(larger buffer)
3346 [22:12:38] <simbalion`> BanHammor: (xfburn:24365):
Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_progress_set_percentage: assertion
'percentage >= 0 && percentage <= 1.0'
failed
3347 [22:12:46] <codebam_> missmbob: thanks!
3348 [22:13:01] <simbalion`> it's an LG drive it should be
supported
3349 [22:13:11] <missmbob> simbalion`: that's not a burning
error and can be ignored
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3351 [22:13:28] <simbalion`> also this: ** (xfburn:24365): WARNING
**: Could not automatically determine write mode: SAO: simulation of
write job not supported by drive and media,
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3353 [22:13:46] <missmbob> also not an error and can be ignored
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3355 [22:14:01] <simbalion`> Those are the only errors the xfburn
console shows
3356 [22:14:10] <missmbob> i understand that
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3358 [22:14:35] <BanHammor> what about a console cd burner?
3359 [22:14:38] <simbalion`> So why is it failing?
3360 [22:15:01] <altyr> simbalion`: how do you know it's
failing?
3361 [22:15:08] <simbalion`> altyr: because it says
"FAILED"
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3365 [22:15:22] <missmbob> i was right. get a new drive. :P
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3367 [22:15:29] <simbalion`> It's an LG drive it's not
the drive
3368 [22:15:48] <BanHammor> run wodim and see what errors it
outputs?
3369 [22:15:49] <greycat> Or try a different brand of media
(classic answer #3). Some drives just HATE some brands of media.
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3371 [22:16:44] <simbalion`> It's not the media or the drive
it's linux. Works fine in windows.
3372 [22:16:50] <missmbob> heh
3373 [22:16:54] <altyr> maybe it's a permissions thing?
3374 [22:17:08] <simbalion`> altyr: how so?
3375 [22:17:29] <altyr> i've never tried burning on linux,
but not being in the right group to access devices is a common
problem
3376 [22:17:37] <missmbob> could happen if you're not in the
cdrom group
3377 [22:17:47] <greycat> "I can't tell you what drive
it is, or what media it is, or what command I used, or what the
exact error is, but I will spew GTK crap messages at you, and it
said "FAILED" at some point, WHAT'S WRONG"
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3379 [22:17:53] <simbalion`> I can read from CD?
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3381 [22:18:16] <simbalion`> greycat: I just told you twice
it's an LG drive
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3383 [22:18:33] <simbalion`> It's not the drive or the media.
Some package is broken.
3384 [22:18:37] <missmbob> you're getting close to going on
/ignore of many people...
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3387 [22:18:52] <simbalion`> missmbob: so what? :p nobody
who's going to help me.
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3392 [22:19:03] <greycat> Try logging out of GNOME completely and
burning it from a root login on a text console.
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3396 [22:19:17] <simbalion`> greycat: I'm using xfce4
3397 [22:19:23] <n4dir> give more info. How should anyone be able
to help with that little info.
3398 [22:19:35] <greycat> And I don't mean just pressing
Ctrl-Alt-F2 either. I mean actually KILLING all the desktop crap.
3399 [22:19:41] <greycat> Though even that may not be enough.
3400 [22:19:44] <simbalion`> n4dir: What would help? I've
told you everything the computer reported to me.
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3406 [22:21:28] <jer0me> simbalion`: have you tried burning using
the root user? (just to rule out some permission issues)
3407 [22:21:43] <simbalion`> jer0me: I'll try that, thanks
3408 [22:21:51] <n4dir> what programs did you use? what do you
burn: data, music or iso ? did you run the programs from the
commandline and did they offer more errors? yup: as user or root? as
a different user? groups of the user? etc.
3409 [22:21:55] <greycat> jer0me: oh, he listens to you...
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3411 [22:22:15] <jer0me> greycat: I have a flute.
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3415 [22:22:39] <jer0me> pipe, whatever the legend says.
3416 [22:22:54] <simbalion`> Hrm it keeps saying simulation not
supported, maybe that's why it's failing. I'll try a
live burn.
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3418 [22:23:03] <greycat> ...
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3421 [22:23:20] <missmbob> christ
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3427 [22:26:13] <simbalion`> jer0me: thanks for the advice,
running as root and disabling simulation worked, here's hoping
it completes! :D
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3430 [22:27:31] <simbalion`> the media is M-DISC blu-rays, since
someone asked, they're like $5 per disc and definitely not
crap.
3431 [22:27:49] <missmbob> greycat: dumbass
3432 [22:27:51] <greycat> It's not about quality. It's
about compatibility between drive and medium.
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3434 [22:28:11] <greycat> But in this case, the problem was
between chair and keyboard, so we're all set.
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3485 [22:55:00] <jhutchins> What is the newer fork of imagemagick?
3486 [22:55:05] <codebam_> does anyone have any idea why debian
would run so much cooler than arch?
3487 [22:55:12] <codebam_> in terms of cpu temperature
3488 [22:55:45] <greycat> Either because you are running less
stuff, or because a different kernel/firmware set is changing your
CPU speed, or who knows what.
3489 [22:55:52] <AlexPortable> how can I get a list of packages I
installed myself ?
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3493 [22:56:32] <codebam_> actually it might be because I
haven't enabled a compositor
3494 [22:56:43] <greycat> That falls under "running less
stuff".
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3500 [23:00:21] <czyborra> codebam_ & greycat at :55 &
likely OT: i cooled my temperature on my z60m by fiddling
replaced-url
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3508 [23:01:35] <codebam_> czyborra: yep I've used that. I
found that it's not worth it for the power usage though. it
kills my battery really quick trying to keep it under 50C
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3510 [23:02:14] <coke> jhutchins: google "fork of
imagemagick" its the first hit
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3520 [23:06:27] <jhutchins> Interesting, aptitude notifies me a
"possible missing firmware" for my rtl8168, but no
complaints in dmesg.
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3528 [23:09:43] <altyr> aptitude does firmware checking now?
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3530 [23:10:28] <altyr> jhutchins: maybe it's initramfs?
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3536 [23:12:23] <acresearch> hello people, dd if= of= not working
in debian, am i doing it wrong?
3537 [23:13:00] <altyr> acresearch: what is the actual command
you're using and what is the error you're getting?
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3540 [23:13:49] <acresearch> altyr: dd
if=/home/acresearch/Desktop/ubuntu-gnome-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso
of=/dev/sdb this is after su ---> error is no transfer
happening..... 0 bytes (0 B) copied, 0.000359026 s, 0.0 kB/s
3541 [23:13:57] <jhutchins> coke: I thought I remembered different
name.
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3543 [23:14:22] <greycat> acresearch: maybe /dev/sdb is the wrong
output device. Where did you get the device name?
3544 [23:14:23] <jhutchins> Wow, gwenview wants to install 100
packages. ristretto is pretty stark, I want something with
browse/slideshow.
3545 [23:14:36] <jhutchins> s/100/90/ to be ccurate.
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3547 [23:14:40] <acresearch> greycat: lsblk
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3551 [23:15:13] <greycat> ls -ld
if=/home/acresearch/Desktop/ubuntu-gnome-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso
3552 [23:15:16] <greycat> oops
3553 [23:15:20] <greycat> ls -ld
/home/acresearch/Desktop/ubuntu-gnome-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso
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3556 [23:15:50] <acresearch> greycat: -rw-r--r-- 1 acresearch
acresearch 0 May 11 23:55
/home/acresearch/Desktop/ubuntu-gnome-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso
3557 [23:16:00] <greycat> It's a 0 byte file. That's why
dd wrote 0 buyes.
3558 [23:16:03] <greycat> bytes
3559 [23:16:16] <acresearch> hello people, dd if= of= not working
in debian, am i doing it wrong?oh
3560 [23:16:21] <acresearch> oh
3561 [23:16:36] <acresearch> greycat: you are right
3562 [23:16:47] <acresearch> thanks for pointing this out,
i'll re-download it :-)
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3564 [23:17:01] <missmbob> and then go to #ubuntu for help
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3572 [23:20:50] <AlexPortable> how can I get a list of packages I
installed myself ?
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3583 [23:24:18] <sorin-mihai> i'm trying to figure out how to
preseed a custom partitioning using gpt instead of mbr, raid10 for
the 2nd and 3rd partitions on both disks, and the rest of the disks
should remain free. is it doable, anyone has any hints on this?
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3590 [23:27:16] <oty> AlexPortable,
replaced-url
3591 [23:27:32] <altyr> sorin-mihai: here's some reading for
you
replaced-url
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3595 [23:28:09] <oty> sorin-mihai, preseed a paritioning ? What
does this means ? x)
3596 [23:28:18] <oty> wow
3597 [23:28:30] <oty> Okay, nevermind :p
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