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• 54[00:57:16] <kreyren> How do you overclock nvidia GPU on debian?
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• 218[03:20:23] <fraktor> So my ~/.profile file isn't loaded when I log in. How can I configure my system so that that happens?
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• 221[03:23:27] <OerHeks> Graphical logins do not read a shell's startup files (/etc/profile and ~/.profile and so on) by default, but you as a user may choose to create a ~/.xsessionrc file which does this.
• 222[03:23:29] <OerHeks> replaced-url
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• 224[03:27:15] <fraktor> So I just logged out and logged back in, and it didn't seem to work. Do I need to restart my computer for this to take effect?
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• 226[03:29:17] <jmcnaught> You should not need to restart. What are you logging into, is it a display manager or a tty, ssh?
• 227[03:31:04] <jmcnaught> For me in GNOME Wayland with GDM on buster, .profile and .bashrc are executed.
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• 231[03:32:44] <fraktor> I'm using LightDM with i3.
• 232[03:33:03] <astronavt> wouldnt you have to restart X entirely?
• 233[03:34:45] <astronavt> afaik lightdm is what reads ~/.xsessionrc, not i3
• 234[03:34:56] <astronavt> rather, X, which starts lightdm
• 235[03:35:08] <astronavt> try restarting Xorg altogether
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• 240[03:40:14] <fraktor> How would I go about doing that?
• 241[03:40:56] <rabbitear_sdf> restarting X?
• 242[03:41:09] <rabbitear_sdf> you kill the process of your WM
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• 244[03:41:40] <klys> and then at the prompt type `startx'D
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• 246[03:42:00] <rabbitear_sdf> fraktor: so to hold your hand for you type 'ps' and look for your window manager, then type 'kill <the number of the ps>'
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• 248[03:43:07] <fraktor> sorry I don't know these things, just a sec
• 249[03:43:17] <jmcnaught> I wouldn't do it that way
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• 251[03:43:31] <fraktor> I mean, exiting i3 should do that on its own, right?
• 252[03:43:36] <jmcnaught> Logging out (back to the lightdm screen) should be enough.
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• 254[03:46:05] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
• 255[03:46:06] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 295[04:21:56] <nezZario> Eh
• 296[04:22:11] <nezZario> Am I blind here,.. Or is there no FreeIPA server for Debian?
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• 298[04:22:38] <nezZario> I know it's kinda like a redhat thing, they got their little meat digits all up in it and even rebranding it
• 299[04:23:02] <nezZario> But I figured the OSS one would still be avail
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• 301[04:24:43] <SerajewelKS> jim: to answer your question, anything that can talk to jack or pulse will work with my setup
• 302[04:24:53] <SerajewelKS> jim: i don't know what cadence is so i can't answer that question
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• 304[04:27:29] <SerajewelKS> jim: it's better if whatever it is can talk to jack directly, as it's less complicated
• 305[04:28:16] <nezZario> Eh man there are a lot of cve's for freeipa.
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• 309[04:29:44] <BazookaTooth> oh more jack audio stuff. use cadence and jack1 with the corresponding pulse-jack bridge package. blacklist unwanted audio devices or change their priorities in alsa config and make jack sinks. done
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• 323[04:40:49] <Psil0Cybin> BazookaTooth, is on a preaching roll today.
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• 325[04:42:25] <BazookaTooth> go write your damn essay :)
• 326[04:42:29] <Psil0Cybin> LOL
• 327[04:42:34] <SerajewelKS> BazookaTooth: my desktop audio setup is pulse on jack, and ardour mixing everything with multiple pulse-jack sinks. i have dynamic range compression on twitch streams and eq on all music players, for example. and ducking on music keyed by the twitch channel. and some other processing as well.
• 328[04:42:39] <Psil0Cybin> You caught me ! sheeesh
• 329[04:43:29] <SerajewelKS> it's an audio tech's wet dream. i've used multiband compression on conference calls to deal with someone who had a particularly sharply-whistling S's.
• 330[04:44:04] <BazookaTooth> SerajewelKS: well i keep seeing the same 2 things with audio lately. people not using jack properly or people usin those double ring mic/headset rigs
• 331[04:44:07] <SerajewelKS> plus i can gate, eq, and compress my own mic
• 332[04:44:55] <SerajewelKS> pulse by itself has weird issues and not everything supports jack well. but both together create a really killer audio setup, especially in combination with a DAW.
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• 334[04:46:03] <BazookaTooth> yup been there done that
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• 336[04:46:57] <SerajewelKS> i've actually done something similar on windows, and it also involves jack. which means i can use netjack to send audio between my systems. it's pretty slick.
• 337[04:47:29] <BazookaTooth> :)
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• 348[04:56:06] <jim> SerajewelKS, cadence is a utility app that sets up your sound driver, pulseaudio and jackd, so they can all work together... at that point for example, you can record anything coming from anywhere on your machine
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• 351[04:56:53] <jim> SerajewelKS, I take it you have that set up already? I'd be interested in finding out how I can apply what you did to my situation
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• 353[04:57:39] <BazookaTooth> there are times you may not want jack to bridge with pulse.. cadence in good for messing with that sort of thing along with the card/device setup
• 354[04:57:57] <BazookaTooth> s/in/is
• 355[04:58:12] <rant> something I been wondering is, could a build a small device to normalize volume on an audio source without latency..
• 356[04:58:36] <SerajewelKS> jim: i don't use cadence, i just have it all set up myself
• 357[04:58:47] <pagetelegram> * what coincidence and serendipty....was wondering that with using a Pi.
• 358[04:58:51] <BazookaTooth> how small? there are guys working on arm devices to uses as microcontrollers with dps stuff
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• 360[04:59:20] <rant> thats kinda what I was thinking.. something small and cheap like a pi or something
• 361[04:59:24] <pagetelegram> We have an entertainment system at home and when watching certain movies the highs are too high and lows too low....need what's called a compressor. not normalizer
• 362[04:59:24] <SerajewelKS> rant: not without latency, no. but depending on the type of source the latency can be minimized.
• 363[04:59:39] <SerajewelKS> rant: a pi can run ardour but can't do a whole lot of DSP without xruns
• 364[04:59:56] <BazookaTooth> rant: you're going to get latency anytime you add something to the chain but yeah there are people working on dsp stuff for small boards
• 365[04:59:56] <SerajewelKS> rant: i've actually experimented with it quite extensively :)
• 366[05:00:19] <rant> yeah.. I get really annoyed by sudden spikes in volume when watching videos and such
• 367[05:00:28] <SerajewelKS> rant: if you're just doing dynamic range compression of a single stream then the DSP won't add much latency at all. the question is, though, what kind of signal?
• 368[05:00:39] <BazookaTooth> pulse-effects normalize
• 369[05:00:48] <jim> SerajewelKS, ok... do you implement it with scripts you've written?
• 370[05:00:49] <BazookaTooth> but buggy
• 371[05:00:49] <SerajewelKS> rant: that's exactly why i have a dedicated pulse sink for twitch that feeds into an ardour channel with compression :)
• 372[05:01:11] <BazookaTooth> SerajewelKS: yeah you get the sink thing
• 373[05:01:17] <SerajewelKS> jim: i only have one script to create extra pulse-jack bridges. pretty much the rest is just qjackctl and ardour.
• 374[05:01:17] <BazookaTooth> some people don't
• 375[05:01:42] <pagetelegram> mpc mpd may have some way of working...you should be able to compress with a script in console mode only.
• 376[05:01:48] <pagetelegram> I can believe!
• 377[05:02:09] <SerajewelKS> rant: e.g. if it's an analog signal then the A/DC adds latence, and the D/AC will add more latency on the other side
• 378[05:02:10] <jim> SerajewelKS, ok, does ardour do anything other than recording what it gets from jack?
• 379[05:02:26] <SerajewelKS> jim: ardour is a full digital audio workstation
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• 381[05:02:34] <pagetelegram> vlc cli has command line operations and package that is console only and has i/o and latency adjustments at command line level
• 382[05:02:37] <BazookaTooth> jim: you can monitor the audio you feed it
• 383[05:02:59] <rant> SerajewelKS: yeah well analog is rare these days, even your cable boxes and such are hdmi
• 384[05:03:00] <jim> I understand what it is... (built it before, several years ago)
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• 386[05:03:35] <SerajewelKS> jim: then i guess i don't understand the question. in my setup it does a lot more as i have a fair amount of processing going on
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• 388[05:03:38] <BazookaTooth> so like he mentioned, if you monitor a sink from say.. vlc.. then you can add ardour filters to it
• 389[05:03:48] <jim> is it involved in doing the routing of the audio among jackd, pulse and your audio driver (that's alsa, right?)
• 390[05:03:49] <SerajewelKS> rant: okay, so what is the audio source you're talking about interfacing with the pi?
• 391[05:03:52] <pagetelegram> *jim Ardour is a multitrack recorder at it's core...everything else is just frosting on the cake....I would not use it for embedding systems as it is designed for user interfacing and not headless dedication
• 392[05:04:05] <pagetelegram> Besides...think: the overhead!
• 393[05:04:10] <SerajewelKS> jim: the short answer is "yes"
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• 395[05:04:15] <BazookaTooth> ldap can also do this but those get into very complicated chains
• 396[05:04:18] <rant> SerajewelKS: its just purely theoretical.. but.. everything.. heh.. I dont ever want to hear a spike in audio again
• 397[05:04:20] <BazookaTooth> yes
• 398[05:04:40] <jim> SerajewelKS, so then ardour is required to be running at all times?
• 399[05:04:46] <pagetelegram> *Rant have you tried googling debian console audio compression?
• 400[05:04:52] <BazookaTooth> pulse-effects is the shortcut way of doing the same things and it's very buggy /2cents
• 401[05:05:08] <pagetelegram> I assume rant, you are the one asking about compression or I'm lost in the convo
• 402[05:05:20] <SerajewelKS> jim: basically my pulse-jack bridges are patched into ardour on separate channels. the output goes to the master which is sent to my audio hardware (speakers/headphones). i also have a channel for my mic that applies some processing and then sends it to the pulse-jack bridge that makes the processed audio available as a pulse recording device.
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• 404[05:05:41] <SerajewelKS> jim: not required, per se. i could also patch stuff is qjackctl.
• 405[05:05:47] <SerajewelKS> jim: but then of course i don't get any of the signal processing.
• 406[05:05:54] <jeddi> vlc has compressor-like capabilities built-in, btw.
• 407[05:05:55] <SerajewelKS> in* qjackctl
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• 409[05:05:59] <pagetelegram> If using a Pi, use a USB sound card for full i/o of sound...then what ever you are playing from...sync the latency to the audio VLC has option for this.
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• 411[05:06:27] <BazookaTooth> cadence is just another version of jackctl btw
• 412[05:06:28] <SerajewelKS> rant: if this is on a computer then you can just run a similar setup to mine :)
• 413[05:06:35] <pagetelegram> *jeddi....oh so no pi needed. VLC it is unless you are playing audio other ways.
• 414[05:07:00] <pagetelegram> *then you have the latency issue anyhow...
• 415[05:07:03] <SerajewelKS> jim: if you don't want to do any signal processing then you can make the connections directly in jack by using a tool like qjackctl or cadence. ardour is just so i can do compression and eq and stuff.
• 416[05:07:11] <jim> SerajewelKS, the only thing holding me back, is I want to make sure that this setup only depends on debian packages, that way, I can make sure it remains stable
• 417[05:07:19] <BazookaTooth> claudia
• 418[05:07:30] <BazookaTooth> ldap processing chains
• 419[05:07:36] <jim> claudia is part of cadence :)
• 420[05:07:36] <jeddi> pagetelegram - refer replaced-url
• 421[05:07:42] <BazookaTooth> yes
• 422[05:07:43] <SerajewelKS> jim: ardour is in debian but i don't use the debian version. i built from source, and i also built some LV2 plugins from source to get additional processing options in ardour.
• 423[05:08:09] <BazookaTooth> it's easier to feed stuff into ardour was my thing
• 424[05:08:29] <jim> oh ok, I take it you're a pro audio guy, or a pro musician/songwriter?
• 425[05:08:31] <pagetelegram> *jim, maybe research mpd mpc; mpd is the daemon....I guess there something that could work though I'm thinking mpc is just for playback not i/o though stranger things have surprised me.
• 426[05:08:42] <SerajewelKS> jim: somewhere in between pro and amateur live audio tech, yes
• 427[05:09:03] <jeddi> every now and then i look at what'd be involved in moving away from a vanilla debian bundling of pulse with kde doodads into something that i could happily plug a little scarlet2x2 into, and get my novation slmk2 going ... but the landscape just makes my toes curl. you guys make it sound easy.
• 428[05:09:10] <SerajewelKS> jim: i'm not pro because i don't get paid for most of my work but i'm not amateur either, i know quite a bit about live audio production
• 429[05:09:21] <pagetelegram> Bazooka, as long as you not going headless and manning the thing then ardour can do. Also VLC can do too with less overhead
• 430[05:09:39] <pagetelegram> Thanks Jeddi
• 431[05:10:06] <jim> SerajewelKS, ok, so I'd appreciate learning about some of this from you (and mostly of course I can read up)
• 432[05:10:13] <SerajewelKS> the primary advantage of using something like ardour over program-specific stuff like VLC's eq/cmp or other music player's eq is that you can throw _whatever_ into a specific processing bin
• 433[05:10:15] <BazookaTooth> jeddi: i have 3 devices ranging from 2x2 to 2x4 all daisy chained for various reason.. jack handles them fine
• 434[05:10:49] <BazookaTooth> mostly for different speaker outputs
• 435[05:10:52] <SerajewelKS> VLC has compression... great. i don't use VLC much. but i watch a fair amount of twitch streams and compression is basically a must there because not every streamer uses compression and the volume level for streamers is "whatever the fuck this streamer feels like"
• 436[05:11:05] <jeddi> BazookaTooth taa - i keep on coming back to jackctl ... as in, all my reading says i've got no option but to play with it. i tried setting it up aeons ago, but had a few sharp edges, and it was 'all too much' at the time. i really will get back to trying to set this stuff up properly.
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• 438[05:11:33] <BazookaTooth> jeddi: cadence is very similar just the gtk version
• 439[05:11:41] <SerajewelKS> plus i've already had to switch music players (banshee was removed from buster) and guess what? i didn't lose a beat (pun intended) on my eq because it wasn't in my audio player to begin with. i set up rhythmbox and directed it at the "music" pulse sink. done.
• 440[05:11:41] <jeddi> i don't see cadence in the standard repos?
• 441[05:11:59] <BazookaTooth> there is another i can't recall the name but it's like java or something and terrible
• 442[05:12:11] <SerajewelKS> now rhythmbox is eq'd and ducked by some other channels, just like banshee was
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• 445[05:12:30] <rant> BazookaTooth: thats a bit redundant.. you already said it was java
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• 447[05:12:33] <jim> SerajewelKS, ok, what are some ways your setup is different from one where alsa is plugged into jackd and jackd into pulse?
• 448[05:12:43] <BazookaTooth> rant: ;)
• 449[05:12:56] <SerajewelKS> jim: hmm? that's basically my setup: pulse on jackd on alsa.
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• 451[05:13:23] <BazookaTooth> i usually run arch for audio so i am behind on what all the related package names and stuff are
• 452[05:13:26] <SerajewelKS> jim: the difference is that, in jack, the "inputs" (audio coming from pulse) are not connected directly to the "outputs" (sending to hardware).
• 453[05:13:39] <jim> so jackd is in the middle, and feeding alsa directly?
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• 455[05:13:50] <SerajewelKS> yes, the jackd "system" client is the alsa backend
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• 459[05:14:11] <jim> ok, and then pulse is connected to jackd?
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• 461[05:14:29] <SerajewelKS> instead of "pulse client --> system client" i have "pulse client --> ardour stuff" and "ardour stuff --> system client"
• 462[05:14:41] <BazookaTooth> you can do some very strange things with mapping inputs to jack from alsa and pulse all at the same time. it's pretty cool
• 463[05:14:51] <SerajewelKS> pulse operates with its jack backend, which just connects to jack and makes audio from pulse available in jack
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• 465[05:15:13] <BazookaTooth> hence why using ardour as a monitor device is better than using pulse-effects
• 466[05:15:20] <SerajewelKS> the only thing different about my setup than a lot of other people's is that ardour processes the audio
• 467[05:15:29] <BazookaTooth> ^
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• 469[05:16:01] <jim> you do this: "pulse client --> ardour stuff" and "ardour stuff --> system client" to reduce latency?
• 470[05:16:04] <SerajewelKS> BazookaTooth: i stumbled on this setup while searching for a pulse-equalizer alternative, because it not only added like 0.5s latency (how!?) but it managed to randomly drop audio frames, so i'd hear random popping all the damn time.
• 471[05:16:19] <SerajewelKS> jim: no, to apply processing to the audio, such as equalization and dynamic range compression.
• 472[05:16:34] <SerajewelKS> jim: read: "magic stuff to make the audio sound the way i want"
• 473[05:16:58] <SerajewelKS> BazookaTooth: it's totally beyond me how you can mess up a simple equalizer plugin, but pulse strikes again
• 474[05:17:00] <jim> right, I know what eq and compression are
• 475[05:17:08] <BazookaTooth> SerajewelKS: if you were reading the articles related to pulse normalization then yuou prolly read the same stuff i did
• 476[05:17:21] <SerajewelKS> jim: right. so if you don't need that stuff you don't need ardour. you can just patch everything directly in jack.
• 477[05:17:32] <SerajewelKS> BazookaTooth: i don't think i ever looked up normalization
• 478[05:17:32] <BazookaTooth> yeah.. it's just a not a high mark with pulse
• 479[05:17:45] <BazookaTooth> well compression or normalizing
• 480[05:17:47] <SerajewelKS> BazookaTooth: i was interested mostly in eq
• 481[05:17:59] <SerajewelKS> then when i got ardour up and realized what the hell it was i think i had to change my underwear
• 482[05:18:05] <BazookaTooth> i was trying to clamp both down on all pulse inputs
• 483[05:18:09] <jim> ok, and if I do run ardour, I could use it to record anything it can see in jackd?
• 484[05:18:21] <SerajewelKS> jim: yep. but you don't need ardour to do that either.
• 485[05:18:27] <BazookaTooth> ardour as monitor just makes so much more sense
• 486[05:18:32] <SerajewelKS> jim: you can record with audacity as well
• 487[05:18:44] <jim> ok
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• 489[05:19:03] <SerajewelKS> jim: anything that can take audio from jack can record anything in jack. you just have to patch it with qjackctl/cadence.
• 490[05:19:08] <BazookaTooth> just turn off the added processing from the incoming app source
• 491[05:19:34] <SerajewelKS> jim: jack is basically an array of audio ports. you connect one port to another. you have ports that make noise (sources, such as programs) and ports that want noise (sinks, such as your hardware).
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• 493[05:19:47] <SerajewelKS> jim: qjackctl etc let you connect one to the other
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• 496[05:19:52] <jim> what do I need to get the alsa <-> jackd <-> pulse going? if I have that, I don't need cadence at all :)
• 497[05:20:12] <SerajewelKS> jim: so something that can record audio from jack will show up as a sink (in this case another program, but it WANTS audio)
• 498[05:20:12] <Johnkcg> Hello people, total noob
• 499[05:20:20] <BazookaTooth> SerajewelKS: i was also fighting with jack on osx at the time so.. might have experimented more than a linux user would ;p
• 500[05:20:26] <SerajewelKS> jim: so you just connect the thing you want to record (the source) to the sink for the recording program. ta-da!
• 501[05:20:27] <Johnkcg> I installed debian 10 on my old Mac pro
• 502[05:20:34] <nezZario> Can someome help me out here
• 503[05:20:39] <Johnkcg> I disabled nouveau driver
• 504[05:20:42] <jim> right... understood.. one sec...
• 505[05:20:55] <Johnkcg> I get black screen now
• 506[05:21:01] <jim> nezZario, hi, what do you need?
• 507[05:21:04] <SerajewelKS> jim: it's like connecting stuff with audio cables. qjackctl is your tool to manage the "cables". except that in jack you can double-patch stuff since you don't have physical limitations.
• 508[05:21:08] <nezZario> So,.. FreeIPA-server is not in stable or testing but it is in Sid
• 509[05:21:34] <nezZario> I am just trying to figure out why it was excluded?
• 510[05:21:35] <Johnkcg> Jim
• 511[05:21:43] <SerajewelKS> jim: it's way more than a "normal" user wants in their audio and it adds complexity. but, like anything else, if you understand how it works, you can wield it to do some pretty nifty things.
• 512[05:21:44] <Johnkcg> Or someone
• 513[05:22:00] <nezZario> There are these little buttons that say "excuse" where some things are wrong on the pkg replaced-url
• 514[05:22:09] <nezZario> But not for it
• 515[05:22:14] <jim> nezZario, let's see...
• 516[05:22:23] <nezZario> Any way to find out?
• 517[05:22:23] <jim> what's the name of the package in sid?
• 518[05:22:25] <pagetelegram> Johnkcg: are you trying to turn off screen blanking?
• 519[05:22:32] <nezZario> freeipa-server
• 520[05:22:34] <Johnkcg> I am triying to install Nvidia legacy 304 driver on debian 10
• 521[05:22:35] <BazookaTooth> jim: you can make as many sinks as you want/system can handle and route them to whatever
• 522[05:22:45] <nezZario> It's odd because other parts of the overall package were included
• 523[05:22:48] <SerajewelKS> ,v freeipa-server
• 524[05:22:50] <judd> No package named 'freeipa-server' was found in amd64.
• 525[05:22:54] <SerajewelKS> nezZario: it's not even in sid
• 526[05:23:00] <SerajewelKS> nezZario: it's not in debian at all
• 527[05:23:04] <nezZario> I literally just seen it.
• 528[05:23:07] <nezZario> Hang on
• 529[05:23:25] <pagetelegram> John: no idea someone else would have to help you...you try google? maybe you can compile ahd load the old driver in the new system.
• 530[05:23:28] <jim> BazookaTooth, yes I know that's what's good about it :)
• 531[05:23:48] <pagetelegram> If you find a deb then just dpkg -i the deb file
• 532[05:24:08] <SerajewelKS> jim: the only part pulse really plays in this setup is "let pulse programs that don't understand jack be able to talk to jack"
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• 534[05:24:27] <BazookaTooth> jim: :) long as we're on same page. adding wine into the mix is another story ;p
• 535[05:24:38] <jim> SerajewelKS, yep, that's just what I want :)
• 536[05:24:56] <Johnkcg> The problem is that i want to reactivate nouveau
• 537[05:25:12] <SerajewelKS> jim: by creating additional pulse-jack bridges what happens is it creates a pulse sink that is linked to a jack source, so you can independently process the audio on the jack side for each "bridge"
• 538[05:25:35] <SerajewelKS> jim: so i have a bridge for music, twitch, games, communication (voip/discord/etc), and "other" (everything else)
• 539[05:25:48] <jim> how do you create such a bridge?
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• 541[05:25:52] <SerajewelKS> jim: then all those show up in jack separately, and ardour can process them separately
• 542[05:26:43] <SerajewelKS> jim: #!/bin/sh
• 543[05:26:44] <SerajewelKS> exec pactl load-module module-jack-sink client_name=pulse_sink_"$1" connect=no channels=2
• 544[05:26:51] <SerajewelKS> ugh only meant the second line.... anyway
• 545[05:26:59] <SerajewelKS> try again: pactl load-module module-jack-sink client_name=pulse_sink_"$1" connect=no channels=2
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• 547[05:27:06] <SerajewelKS> where $1 is the name you want to give the bridge
• 548[05:27:25] <SerajewelKS> note that "connect=no" prevents jack from automatically connecting it to the hardware outputs
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• 550[05:27:40] <jim> I can try this... would this run as my user, or root?
• 551[05:27:45] <SerajewelKS> your user
• 552[05:27:48] <jim> ok
• 553[05:27:59] <SerajewelKS> that only creates a new bridge in pulse, which should already be running on jack
• 554[05:28:09] <SerajewelKS> if you're not running jack, and pulse on jack, then this probably won't work
• 555[05:28:39] <jim> do you have a script that runs when you log into your de?
• 556[05:28:59] <SerajewelKS> actually no. i don't reboot that often.
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• 558[05:29:13] <SerajewelKS> when i log in i: stop pulse, start jack, start pulse, create my sinks, start ardour
• 559[05:29:19] <jim> so you do have a script, but you run it yourself?
• 560[05:29:31] <SerajewelKS> i have a script just to create the extra bridges
• 561[05:29:36] <jim> ok
• 562[05:29:52] <BazookaTooth> eh.. this is exactly what cadence is for but okie
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• 564[05:30:04] <SerajewelKS> shrug
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• 566[05:30:20] <SerajewelKS> i reboot like once every two months. yes i could script it. take 30+ minutes to get it all working great.
• 567[05:30:26] <nezZario> I friggin swear I seen it in either experimental or unstable a little bit ago
• 568[05:30:32] <SerajewelKS> or i can take about 1 minute every two months to set it up...
• 569[05:30:41] <nezZario> But it's in the Debian git repo
• 570[05:30:59] <nezZario> Sitting there with control files and everything months old
• 571[05:31:04] <jim> BazookaTooth, before, I had a cadence setup, it started jack and pulse to work like that... and it worked great... until one day when I ran apt autoremove
• 572[05:31:09] <SerajewelKS> it works and i'm happy with it. not inclined to change it at the moment. :)
• 573[05:31:34] <BazookaTooth> jim: "why you do this thing"
• 574[05:31:35] <jim> this destroyed the setup, and I couldn't: get it back, or learn how it all works
• 575[05:32:22] <BazookaTooth> jim: so take notes and make back ups of any config changes to alsa and go from there
• 576[05:32:27] <nezZario> SerajewelKS: oh hey I'm not crazy at least
• 577[05:32:32] <nezZario> replaced-url
• 578[05:32:43] <jim> this problem with cadence is actually with the kxstudio devs, who refuse to make the packaging correct so this never happens when I autoremove
• 579[05:32:47] <SerajewelKS> nezZario: it could have been under development, was in experimental at some point, then was abandoned and so removed from experimental.
• 580[05:33:06] <SerajewelKS> jim: TBH it's not that hard to set up by hand
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• 583[05:33:29] <jim> SerajewelKS, yes, which is why I'm dumping cadence :)
• 584[05:33:33] <SerajewelKS> jim: i literally run "pulseaudio --kill" then hit "start" in qjackctl, then run "pulseaudio --start", run my script to create the bridges, then start ardour
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• 586[05:34:12] <nezZario> Hm, wonder if the maintainer would actually ever respond
• 587[05:34:33] <jim> he's often on freenode...
• 588[05:34:45] <jim> there is a channel #kxstudio
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• 590[05:35:38] <SerajewelKS> i have a similar config on windows but the ASIO driver that provides virtual WDM devices (the equivalent of the pulse bridges in this scenario) will randomly destabilize and i have to restart it. otherwise it works.
• 591[05:35:54] <pagetelegram> yo what is seamonkey ie iceweasel package called on deb 10? Is it still in repositories?
• 592[05:36:06] <nezZario> I don't know a ton about Debian repackaging. I was trying to understand what the one tool does that maintains the control files and Debian patches against the upstream version this morning
• 593[05:36:12] <SerajewelKS> i actually have my windows box running jack with netadapter, and ardour runs on my linux server. my windows desktop audio is quite literally mixed and processed by my linux server. there is no persceptible latency.
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• 596[05:36:36] <nezZario> But I'd love to get it working and working reliably in Debian
• 597[05:36:49] <SerajewelKS> pagetelegram: it's called "firefox-esr"
• 598[05:37:14] <jim> I talk to him a few times over the years... I've given up on getting them to do it rignt... I'd guess that in order to get the cadence packaging right, would take a complete forking of the project... then make it right, tell them you've done so, and see if they pull the packaging changes from you
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• 600[05:37:56] <pagetelegram> Seamonkey off same codebase however is more like netscape, includes irc client html editor and news group client all in one....I prefer Seamonkey :P
• 601[05:37:59] <SerajewelKS> jim: i think nezZario is talking about freeipa
• 602[05:38:06] <jim> cadence is actually a pretty large script (or a few scripts)
• 603[05:38:22] <SerajewelKS> pagetelegram: ah, well iceweasel was just a rebranded firefox. so "seamonkey ie iceweasel" is then nonsense.
• 604[05:38:44] <pagetelegram> my mistake...seamonkey is called something else in deb and forgot what.
• 605[05:38:47] <SerajewelKS> !iceweasel
• 606[05:38:47] <dpkg> Iceweasel was a DFSG-free fork of <firefox>, replacing it in Debian since 4.0 "Etch". See <why iceweasel>, <iceweasel vs firefox>, <iceweasel user-agent>, replaced-url
• 607[05:39:10] <pagetelegram> !seamonkey
• 608[05:39:10] <dpkg> SeaMonkey is a cross-platform Internet suite, a continuation of the unmaintained Mozilla Application Suite, based on the same source code. Formerly packaged for Debian as <iceape>. For help with upstream issues, ask #seamonkey on irc.mozilla.org. replaced-url
• 609[05:39:29] <pagetelegram> iceape!
• 610[05:39:34] <SerajewelKS> yeah
• 611[05:39:39] <SerajewelKS> i don't think it's in debian now
• 612[05:39:58] <SerajewelKS> !iceape
• 613[05:39:58] <dpkg> Iceape Internet Suite is an unbranded <SeaMonkey> suitable for free distribution. Security support for Iceape has ended in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" (DSA 2819-1), the iceape packages were removed at the <7.4> and <6.0.9> point releases (Debian bug #732314). Debian recommends migrating to <iceweasel> and <icedove> for web browsing and mail functions.
• 614[05:40:14] <SerajewelKS> there you go, it was last in debian 7
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• 616[05:40:57] <jim> the other reason I'm weak (and therefore a little stuck) is because I don't understand how devices are identified and how they're talked to
• 617[05:41:16] <SerajewelKS> what do you mean by "devices"
• 618[05:42:08] <jim> things like mixers, sinks and sources that are in the sound hardware one would have installed on their computer
• 619[05:42:30] <SerajewelKS> ah. i don't 100% understand that either. i just know that jack does it well enough that i don't have to care.
• 620[05:42:46] <jim> ok, one sec
• 621[05:43:07] <SerajewelKS> i think the summary is that the kernel module implementing support for the specific hardware discovers that hardware and makes it available under the ALSA subsystem
• 622[05:43:18] <SerajewelKS> then programs can interrogate ALSA to ask it what's there
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• 624[05:44:29] <SerajewelKS> the fun thing with setups like mine is that pulse can imitate ALSA
• 625[05:44:42] <SerajewelKS> so ALSA clients wind up talking to pulse. pulse talks to jack. and jack talks to the real ALSA.
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• 627[05:45:06] <pagetelegram> I'm downloading the seamonkey branch they have the latest deb for amd64
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• 629[05:45:13] <SerajewelKS> i guess not that different than a standard pulse setup. ALSA clients talk to pulse and pulse talks to the real ALSA.
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• 632[05:45:36] <jim> ok, let me give that a try
• 633[05:45:52] <SerajewelKS> i actually need to get to bed, it's almost midnight
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• 635[05:46:16] <SerajewelKS> good luck, hopefully i'll see you around in a day or two
• 636[05:46:21] <jim> ok, thanks for giving me a starting point... we'll talk again
• 637[05:46:29] <SerajewelKS> cheers
• 638[05:46:33] <jim> yep;
• 639[05:47:24] <BazookaTooth> SerajewelKS: nice to see someone explain this with better examples than my weird setup with like 8 to 12 different outputs
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• 641[05:49:06] <BazookaTooth> have some weird routing so hard to explain in examples :)
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• 643[05:50:15] <SerajewelKS> BazookaTooth: my setup on windows has 4 outputs. speakers, headphones, and two mixes that get sent to virtual WDM recording devices. one for my mic (to be used by communication programs) and the other to be used by OBS for when i stream on twitch. so i can have one mix in my ears and a totally different mix sent to twitch.
• 644[05:51:12] <BazookaTooth> yeah i'm familiar. setting up jack on osx with 2 soundcards was kind of eye-opening
• 645[05:51:18] <SerajewelKS> right now the speakers and headphones use the same mix
• 646[05:51:29] <SerajewelKS> it's really fun stuff
• 647[05:51:34] <SerajewelKS> anyway yeah, imma go sleep
• 648[05:51:41] <jim> nite
• 649[05:51:41] <BazookaTooth> yup :) if you have the patience
• 650[05:51:46] <BazookaTooth> night
• 651[05:51:48] <SerajewelKS> o/
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• 653[05:52:33] <BazookaTooth> jim: jack routing and ldap chains for another day :)
• 654[05:53:09] <jim> ldap?! how do we get there with this stuff?
• 655[05:53:35] <BazookaTooth> yeah.. another day
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• 657[05:53:50] <BazookaTooth> google a bit more and you will see it
• 658[05:54:16] <jim> is ldap needed for this?
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• 660[05:54:33] <BazookaTooth> oh i'm using wrong term
• 661[05:54:42] <BazookaTooth> derp
• 662[05:54:53] <jim> if it's (kinda) optional, yes, another day :)
• 663[05:55:20] <BazookaTooth> ldaspa
• 664[05:55:36] <BazookaTooth> sorry ldap on brain from something else
• 665[05:56:05] <jim> ok, those are some modules you can use (synths, effects)
• 666[05:56:53] <BazookaTooth> ldaspa is sort of like linux vst. but with jack and the sinks you can route weird stuff and have it processed by those effects elsewhere
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• 669[06:02:01] <BazookaTooth> jim: look at it this way.. if you feed your audio sources from programs into an ardour monitor and start tossing effect chains on them.. it works better and more stable than pulse-eefects
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• 673[06:03:37] <jim> I need to figure out again how to get the jackd config correct... can anyone help with that?
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• 676[06:04:10] <jim> I tried to start jack, and it says something couldn't connect as client
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• 678[06:04:38] <jim> it gave me this log of it starting... I can pastebin that
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• 682[06:08:00] <BazookaTooth> your alsa config and devices working as you expect them to? don't mess with jack until alsa is tied down
• 683[06:08:57] <pagetelegram> I am having trouble installing a deb bc I am not a sudeor when I want to be...super user doesn't work and returns errs on anything I try to install using dpkg -i
• 684[06:09:40] <pagetelegram> something about idconfig not found in path with su login
• 685[06:09:50] <jmcnaught> !buster su
• 686[06:09:51] <dpkg> The <su> command changed in buster: it no longer overrides the PATH variable. See replaced-url
• 687[06:10:08] <jmcnaught> tl;dr use 'su -l'
• 688[06:11:15] <jmcnaught> For sudo access, add your user to the sudo group with 'adduser <user> sudo' then log out/in
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• 705[06:32:02] <alkisg> When you run `debootstrap` and generate e.g. an /home/username/buster directory, how do you call it? "chroot", because one may use the chroot command to enter it, or "root", because it's the root of an installation?
• 706[06:32:03] <alkisg> I'm developing the new version of a debian package called ltsp, and I'm wondering how to call these in the documentation; "roots" seems more accurate but it's overused, so "chroots" might be less confusing for users...
• 707[06:32:03] <alkisg> Example silly sentence: run `chroot buster` as root to enter the root...
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• 709[06:34:17] <oiaohm> alkisg: chroot is a very old term comes from the idea that the directly structure is a tree so the base of the tree is the root.
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• 711[06:34:50] <oiaohm> alkisg: directly/directory
• 712[06:34:53] <alkisg> oiaohm: sure, but it means "change root", it's like a verb... it is correct to use it in documentation like a noun?
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• 714[06:35:14] <alkisg> "chroot to chroot" can be read as "change root to change-root"..
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• 716[06:36:06] <oiaohm> chroot is name of a linux kernel action.
• 717[06:36:20] <alkisg> And the respective userspace binary, yes
• 718[06:37:10] <oiaohm> alkisg: replaced-url
• 719[06:37:18] <BazookaTooth> oiaohm: have not heard it called that before but i wish it would happen more often
• 720[06:37:33] <BazookaTooth> til
• 721[06:37:54] <oiaohm> BazookaTooth: basically I just showed my age.
• 722[06:38:16] <alkisg> oiaohm: I know that part, but I'm not getting what you mean wrt to "calling the directory root or chroot"...
• 723[06:38:32] <BazookaTooth> i would not say that.. you just gave me more to read but i aslo something else about chroot
• 724[06:38:34] <alkisg> E.g. from the link you sent, it calls it a "root" directory, not a "chroot" directory
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• 727[06:39:15] <alkisg> Ah, it calls it "chroot tree" below... nice
• 728[06:39:29] <alkisg> The "debootstrap" man page avoids calling it names :D
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• 730[06:39:55] <BazookaTooth> oiaohm: learned 2 things about chroot today
• 731[06:40:42] <alkisg> oiaohm: so to be clear, (english isn't my native language), you suggest that I would use "chroot" as a noun in the documentation, right? (of course apart from the syscall, userspace binary, and verb sense)
• 732[06:41:23] <oiaohm> chroot is a name of a action. So horrible in some cases is a noun other cases it a verb.
• 733[06:41:52] <BazookaTooth> yes.. was not aware of this
• 734[06:42:00] <oiaohm> English and its horrible inconsistencies.
• 735[06:42:04] <BazookaTooth> kernel action
• 736[06:42:30] <BazookaTooth> not english but .. hrm
• 737[06:43:25] <alkisg> `man 2 chroot` does use "chroot directory" a couple of times too... will use that then, ty :)
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• 739[06:44:32] <oiaohm> The root user name also comes from the use of tree as model. Something about early Unix and trees was kind of important.
• 740[06:44:35] <BazookaTooth> hopefully the invariable nature of english wont mess with him more
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• 761[07:12:11] <kreyren> i need `libcrypto.so.1.0.0` how do i get that on debian
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• 763[07:13:08] <kreyren> libssl1.1
• 764[07:13:09] <kreyren> got it
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• 769[07:25:04] <jim> kreyren, one way to find a file you know the exact name of: go to packages.debian.org
• 770[07:25:12] <jim> two other ways...
• 771[07:25:34] <kreyren> i would want something using cli
• 772[07:25:39] <kreyren> like e-file on gentoo
• 773[07:25:47] <jim> howbout apt-file?
• 774[07:25:51] <alkisg> dpkg -S file
• 775[07:25:51] <dpkg> Badgers ate my file!
• 776[07:26:01] <jim> that's Way Number Too
• 777[07:26:03] <alkisg> Ah sorry this is for already installed files, nnvm
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• 779[07:26:33] <kreyren> what is the syntax for apt-file
• 780[07:26:52] <jim> the third way... there's a bought, named judd...
• 781[07:27:09] <kreyren> ,v libcrypto.so.1.0.0
• 782[07:27:10] <judd> No package named 'libcrypto.so.1.0.0' was found in amd64.
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• 784[07:27:19] <kreyren> hm O.o
• 785[07:27:25] <jim> you can: /msg judd find <put file here>
• 786[07:27:57] <jim> v is for finding versions of packages
• 787[07:28:10] <kreyren> ah i see
• 788[07:28:10] <kreyren> ty
• 789[07:28:17] <jim> I'll shoy you here once:
• 790[07:28:34] <jim> (after, use /msg)
• 791[07:28:48] <jim> ,find libcrypto.so.1.0.0
• 792[07:28:53] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
• 793[07:29:08] <jim> ,find libcrypto.so*
• 794[07:29:12] <judd> Search for libcrypto.so* in buster/amd64: libssl-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypto.so; libssl1.1: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypto.so.1.1; android-libboringssl: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/android/libcrypto.so.0; android-libboringssl-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/android/libcrypto.so
• 795[07:29:17] <kreyren> cool O.o
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• 797[07:30:18] <jim> you can do all that research in /msg if you want (in this case, I was showing you, and at that moment it didhn't seem like much was going on)
• 798[07:31:14] * Lady_Aleena bangs her head against her desk.
• 799[07:32:40] * kreyren headpats Lady_Aleena
• 800[07:34:34] <Lady_Aleena> I wish Debian packages had instructions for how to start and use the programs. I have python-pygraphviz installed and want to use it. I tried with Alt-F2 python-pygraphviz and Alt-F2 pygraphviz and one the command line I typed python-pygraphviz (command not found) and pygraphviz (command not found). From pictures I have seen, it looks like it is supposed to be a GUI program. So why won't it open?
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• 802[07:35:49] <Lady_Aleena> replaced-url
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• 804[07:36:46] <alkisg> Lady_Aleena: from what I see from packages.debian.org, it's a python library, not a program
• 805[07:36:57] <alkisg> They have documentation in replaced-url
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• 807[07:37:19] <alkisg> I.e. you'd install python-pygraphviz-doc and read those files in your system to see how to use that library
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• 809[07:38:18] <techie28> apt install kio-mtp says "E: Package 'kio-mtp' has no installation candidate"
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• 812[07:40:11] <Lady_Aleena> So python-pygraphviz is not a gui that can help me with graphviz?
• 813[07:40:22] * Lady_Aleena is very close to crying.
• 814[07:40:22] <techie28> It is present for "ARM" architecture only not for mine which is "i386"?
• 815[07:40:47] <alkisg> techie28: replaced-url
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• 817[07:42:01] <techie28> alkisg, so had I thought.
• 818[07:42:26] <techie28> KDE is very problematic when trying to connect android phones to access data.
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• 820[07:42:55] <techie28> it was working fine till the STRETCH because it had kio-mtp for i386 architecture
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• 823[07:43:36] <alkisg> Maybe now it has something else and doesn't need it; I don't use kde so I can't answer, but do give it a try to search for why it was dropped, maybe it was replaced
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• 825[07:44:32] <bliv> Lady_Aleena: you can use 'dpkg --listfiles package' (or -L) to get a list of all the files a package installed in your system
• 826[07:44:53] <alkisg> Which tools can be used with chroots? E.g. "debootstrap" can create one, "kvm kernel/initrd/nfsroot" can boot one, which others? Can docker/vagrant handle chroots?
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• 828[07:46:18] <techie28> replaced-url
• 829[07:46:24] <Lady_Aleena> I just installed the -doc for pygraphviz, and it is confusing. I was looking at the same documents online, and I am very confused.
• 830[07:46:54] <Lady_Aleena> I don't understand the usage.
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• 832[07:47:32] <Lady_Aleena> The tutorial (replaced-url
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• 834[07:48:02] <Lady_Aleena> s/what that it/what it/;
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• 838[07:49:49] <jim> Lady_Aleena, oh hi
• 839[07:49:57] <Lady_Aleena> Hi jim
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• 841[07:50:20] <jim> anyway...
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• 845[07:51:18] <jim> I'm running debian buster and kde plasma... I'm trying to temporarily stop pulseaudio, killing it doesn't work (it keeps coming back)
• 846[07:52:11] <jeddi> OTOH kdeconnect is very robust, and lets you do good KDE <--> Android phone transfers
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• 848[07:52:51] <jeddi> jim - pasuspender?
• 849[07:52:55] <jim> what I want to do, is kill pulse, start jackd, then start pulse
• 850[07:53:01] <Lady_Aleena> jim, I hope your problem is not as difficult with pulseaudio as mine is with graphviz. I am near tears.
• 851[07:53:07] <alkisg> jim, does this work? systemctl --user stop pulseaudio.socket; start jack; systemctl --user stop pulseaudio.service
• 852[07:53:45] <alkisg> sorry, both of them, THEN start jack, then restart services
• 853[07:54:15] <jim> alkisg, should I restart the socket and the service in the reverse order I stop them in?
• 854[07:54:23] <alkisg> Sure
• 855[07:54:41] <jim> ok let me see
• 856[07:56:19] <jim> jeddi, I never understood what that thing does :)
• 857[07:56:57] <jim> Lady_Aleena, I dunno for sure if it is or not... sorry to hear you're going through that
• 858[07:57:08] <jeddi> jim - haven't used it before, but iusually restart pulseaudio as a user rather than root (and yes, it comes back straight away)
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• 860[07:58:49] <jim> jeddi, not sure it's meant to be run as root or not
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• 862[07:59:55] <Lady_Aleena> alkisg, you said earlier that pygraphviz is a python library, what does that mean?
• 863[08:00:23] <Lady_Aleena> NOTE: I know nothing about python.
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• 866[08:01:07] <alkisg> Lady_Aleena: I'm not familiar with that exact package so I might be wrong, but if it is similar to others I've used, it's a library to be used by python programmers that want to develop graphs in their programs; so you'd need to be a python programmer in order to user it,
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• 868[08:01:19] <jim> Lady_Aleena, could be there's also a perl graphviz lib?
• 869[08:01:23] <alkisg> maybe you should state the initial problem, e.g. "I want to do that", not "what is this package that I found?"
• 870[08:02:05] <jim> ack! it's not a python it's an anaconda!! I'm allergic!!
• 871[08:04:12] <Lady_Aleena> GraphViz produces awful looking images for graphs. I want a graphical user interface where I can move nodes and edges around to make the output png or svg files look better. So far, I have not found a gui that works specifically with .dot files.
• 872[08:04:52] <Lady_Aleena> I don't even know if GraphViz is being maintained by the creators.
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• 874[08:08:24] <Lady_Aleena> I am very frustrated with GraphViz. I have tried Dia, but when it outputs the svg, it is also awful to look at the source of the svg file.
• 875[08:08:30] <alkisg> Lady_Aleena: you may see that there: replaced-url
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• 878[08:10:22] <Lady_Aleena> alkisg, I have been there, a post by me is at the top.
• 879[08:10:31] <alkisg> (09:04:52 AM) Lady_Aleena: I don't even know if GraphViz is being maintained by the creators.
• 880[08:10:47] <alkisg> I answered to that; you can see exactly when they pushed code and how much and how many people
• 881[08:10:57] <alkisg> I see daily push activities there, so it's maintained
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• 883[08:11:50] <jeddi> kst is a pretty neat tool for fiddling with datasets and producing graphs quickly -- used it in anger a few weeks ago. simple stuff is simple. replaced-url
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• 890[08:15:16] <Lady_Aleena> I have been working on the same file for days and not seeing any way to fix it. I think I needed to vent more than anything. I am getting despondent.
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• 892[08:17:42] <Lady_Aleena> jeddi, can kst-plot do family trees?
• 893[08:18:39] <jim> it could be that graphviz
• 894[08:18:42] <jim> err
• 895[08:18:45] <jim> it could be that graphviz
• 896[08:18:50] <jim> dang :)
• 897[08:19:03] <kts> Do I need to reboot after upgrading?
• 898[08:19:32] <jim> kts, did it install a kernel, or any new libs?
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• 900[08:20:44] <kts> jim: exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light
• 901[08:20:57] <jim> just those three?
• 902[08:21:09] <kts> Yes.
• 903[08:22:07] <jim> I don't think you have to upgrade for those...
• 904[08:22:37] <kts> Does upgrading new libs need rebooting?
• 905[08:23:05] <jim> but, to use a new version of an installed library, or to use a later kernel, you'd reboot to load the libs or to boot the new kernel
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• 908[08:24:16] <jim> if you're not -replacing- an old version of a lib, then the lib will load, no need to reboot there
• 909[08:24:31] <kts> Very stable and upgrades few and far between. I'd my distro hopping stop.
• 910[08:25:31] <jeddi> Lady_Aleena i doubt it.
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• 912[08:26:19] <jeddi> Lady_Aleena i installed gramps ages ago to do that - i think it's still best of breed in free software for genealogical stuff.
• 913[08:26:54] <Lady_Aleena> jeddi, I played with gramps for several days before I gave up on its graphical output.
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• 924[08:37:28] <Lady_Aleena> jeddi, plus I did a data dump into gramps of many families in this fictional setting, instead of being picky.
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• 935[08:44:16] <Bushmills> kreyren, dlocate may be the tool you're looking for
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• 941[08:47:36] <Lady_Aleena> alkisg and jeddi, thank you for your time and reading my ravings.
• 942[08:47:42] <alkisg> np
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• 950[08:53:48] <diogenes_> Hello guys, where does xfce get its default config when first booting the system and it asks: use default panel or an empty one?
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• 956[08:57:54] <garn32> having some problems updating to buster, problem package seems to be perl-modules, which is being listed as 'not instllable', any clues?
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• 961[09:00:09] <EmleyMoor> garn32, we probably need to see the actual messages. Get them into a pastebin such as paste.debian.net if you can.. Explain your steps so far too
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• 968[09:02:56] <ratrace> garn32: i think you need to go to stretch first, not sure skipping a release is supported
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• 971[09:03:38] <garn32> hmmm... I'm pretty sure I was on the previous stable, I'm tracking against stable in my source.list
• 972[09:03:48] <garn32> perhaps I just got the name wrong
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• 985[09:10:59] <Bushmills> garn32, just upgrading single packages with aptitude isn't sufficient for a distribution upgrade. You may want to consider apt-get dist-upgrade
• 986[09:11:51] <garn32> Bushmills, that output came from an aptitude upgrade, though trying it now with just a plain apt-get upgrade things seem to be working out(?)
• 987[09:13:09] <Bushmills> garn32, I understood that it came from "just" upgrade - which is why I pointed out dist-upgrade to you
• 988[09:13:24] <Bushmills> as you said, "having some problems updating to buster"
• 989[09:13:41] <Bushmills> means, you haven't quote upgraded yet
• 990[09:13:41] <garn32> Bushmills, I had been under the impression that one should do and upgrade before dist-upgrade, is this incorrect?
• 991[09:13:59] <Bushmills> that's correct, it's incorrect
• 992[09:15:16] <Bushmills> some prefer apt full-upgrade over apt-get dist-upgrade, but they are essentially the same
• 993[09:15:33] <garn32> Bushmills, hmmm... I was unaware thank you for correcting me
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• 996[09:18:32] <samba35> how to check vt-d feature in enable in system ?
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• 1000[09:20:38] <EoflaOE> samba35: Without going to BIOS? Or using BIOS?
• 1001[09:22:10] <samba35> without going to bios
• 1002[09:22:30] <samba35> infact i am on mac :)
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• 1010[09:30:56] <EoflaOE> samba35: More experienced users in the Mac channel would tell.
• 1011[09:31:30] <samba35> ok
• 1012[09:31:54] <samba35> many are ask to sell this junk :)
• 1013[09:32:23] <samba35> but i am running linux with kvm and i want to pci- passthrought
• 1014[09:32:38] <samba35> QEMU: Checking for device assignment IOMMU support : WARN (No ACPI DMAR table found, IOMMU either disabled in BIOS or not supported by this hardware platform)
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• 1016[09:33:03] <samba35> virt-host-validate
• 1017[09:34:10] <kreyren> Bushmills, will check dlocate, ty
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• 1021[09:40:15] <ratrace> samba35: replaced-url
• 1022[09:41:27] <samba35> thanks let me check
• 1023[09:42:10] <jeddi> Lady_Aleena actually i tell a lie - clearly haven't used it in ages, but evidently i moved to webtrees ages ago - just looking at my genealogy VM now.
• 1024[09:42:34] <samba35> ratrace, i want vt-d not vt-x
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• 1027[09:43:29] <ratrace> samba35: then look up your cpu model, from /proc/cpuinfo at ark.intel.com
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• 1029[09:43:51] <jeddi> dmidecode might give you the cpu flags you're looking for samba35
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• 1031[09:44:30] <samba35> ok
• 1032[09:44:53] <samba35> jeddi, ratrace Thanks
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• 1035[09:45:24] <ratrace> samba35: also, first result for "linux check vt-d" on google
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• 1038[09:47:13] <samba35> ok
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• 1065[10:07:11] <techie28> what could be the alternative of MTP on KDE Plasma? kdeconnect is required to be installed on the phones also,it would have been good to have it working just as plug & play
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• 1070[10:08:22] <ealfonso> is there any explanation for why "connecting to httpredir.debian.org" would hang for minutes?
• 1071[10:08:22] <ealfonso>
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• 1084[10:21:17] <Bushmills> techie28: ssh for Magisk on mobile, then sftp connection from file manager or sshfs mount
• 1085[10:21:46] <Bushmills> (ssh for magisk because that one launches at boot and supports key authentication)
• 1086[10:22:52] <techie28> Bushmills, There many different phones which connect to the laptop so this would have to be done on each of them?
• 1087[10:22:52] <Bushmills> (also provides a full rsync, not the busybox crippled rsync)
• 1088[10:24:18] <Bushmills> noit sure whether an equivalent for this exists for iphones - i'm thinking Android now, and yes, every phone for which you want easy file access would need that.
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• 1090[10:26:42] <Bushmills> especially nice this becomes when phone is a VPN client which desktop can access - as you then can link to phone regardless of location, as long it has network
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• 1093[10:29:36] <techie28> till STRETCH it was working very easily. Just plug any android phone via usb & Dolphin file manager was easily able to access for file trasnfer.
• 1094[10:29:46] <techie28> now it shows errors like "The file or folder udi=/org/kde/solid/udev/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb2/2-3/ does not exist."
• 1095[10:30:03] <Bushmills> cables to mobile devices are so 1980 :)
• 1096[10:30:04] <techie28> or "Cant access location..." something like that :(
• 1097[10:30:37] <Bushmills> consider, alternatively, adb
• 1098[10:31:11] <techie28> cable is not a problem I believe.
• 1099[10:31:12] <Bushmills> adb push transfers file to mobile device. but much less comfortable
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• 1101[10:31:33] <techie28> with ADB we will have to use CLI & not the FILE MANAGER?
• 1102[10:32:25] <Bushmills> it can get the job of transferring files done
• 1103[10:33:00] <Bushmills> less comfortably, indeed
• 1104[10:33:57] <techie28> yes but I wanted it simple like it was in STRETCH as not all users would be able to use a CLI
• 1105[10:35:08] <Bushmills> replaced-url
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• 1107[10:36:18] <Bushmills> no need to prepare anything, no cables. location independent
• 1108[10:36:46] <Bushmills> most comfortable way i can currently think of
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• 1146[11:16:06] <gidna> Hello
• 1147[11:17:18] <gidna> My log in greeter doesn't allow me the input a default user..
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• 1149[11:17:45] <BazookaTooth> yeah you guys need to figure this one out
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• 1151[11:18:30] <ratrace> gidna: which greeter?
• 1152[11:18:55] <gidna> LightDM
• 1153[11:19:33] <ratrace> gidna: seen this? replaced-url
• 1154[11:20:29] <BazookaTooth> ville.. so it f;uxbox which is better if you rock like that
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• 1156[11:21:01] <BazookaTooth> flux over openbox
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• 1159[11:21:55] <BazookaTooth> hen your escape key starts to scare you
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• 1162[11:22:08] <gidna> ratrace, I've alread tried that but doesn't work on debian..
• 1163[11:22:26] <BazookaTooth> bleh
• 1164[11:22:58] <ratrace> gidna: even with this? replaced-url
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• 1168[11:23:26] <BazookaTooth> gidna sounns as oss as me right now
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• 1170[11:23:36] <BazookaTooth> odd
• 1171[11:23:47] <alkisg> gidna: what do you mean "input a default user"? Do you mean that you want the greeter to show you a "username/password" dialog? Or do you mean autologin?
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• 1211[11:50:23] <techie28> Transferred few files named like "Most Wanted (2019)- 1.4GB - ESub - [Mov︹r].mkv" which are movies to an External HDD. While the movies play fine with the Video player, I am unable to rename or delete the file from the HDD
• 1212[11:50:29] <techie28> Ideas please?
• 1213[11:50:54] <techie28> does a filename having 2 dots(.) causes problems?
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• 1215[11:51:31] <Bushmills> nope. permission problem, I guess. not sufficient privileges, different user or such
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• 1217[11:51:46] <techie28> I ran "NAUTILUS" & then tried to delete/rename but it also shows the error & so does using the CLI. I logged in as root in SU
• 1218[11:51:53] <at0m> techie28: i use console and tab-completion to rm/mv such files
• 1219[11:52:14] <at0m> no need to su if you have file permissions
• 1220[11:52:47] <Bushmills> nice that it shows there error. it may tell you what the problem is.
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• 1224[11:53:14] <techie28> in KONSOLE I typed SU which I believe logs in as ROOT. Then tried to delete via NAUTILUS & CLI RM command also.. both failed
• 1225[11:53:45] <Bushmills> who do you know that it failed?
• 1226[11:53:49] <Bushmills> how ...
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• 1228[11:54:57] <ratrace> techie28: stupid codepage charset problems, don't torrent illegal movies. fix by rename from inode see replaced-url
• 1229[11:54:57] <humpled> i don't think you can use caps for commands in linux like in windows shell
• 1230[11:55:14] <at0m> techie28: don't su. in console, try "rm Most\ Wanted\ TAB" and let TAB complete the file name
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• 1233[11:57:03] <techie28> rm Most\ Wanted\ \(2019\)-\ 1.4GB\ -\ ESub\ -\ \[Mov︹r\].mkv.. filename obtained by tabbing
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• 1235[11:57:15] <Bushmills> seems that the actual error message is too secret to disclose
• 1236[11:57:22] <techie28> shows: rm: cannot remove 'Indias Most Wanted (2019)- 1.4GB - ESub - [Mov︹r].mkv': No such file or directory
• 1237[11:57:41] <techie28> it showed I/O error too sometimes but not now
• 1238[11:57:52] <techie28> Im checking the link ratrace provided
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• 1240[11:58:07] <at0m> techie28: then see what ratrace says, "by inode number"
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• 1242[11:58:13] <at0m> oki
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• 1244[11:58:26] <Bushmills> autocompleting file name is one option, the other is to enclose it in single quotes
• 1245[11:58:39] <Bushmills> rm 'file-with-strange-chars-in-name'
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• 1247[11:59:10] <techie28> Bushmills, It again shows No Such File or Directory error.
• 1248[11:59:11] <at0m> Bushmills: oh. what's the difference with double quotes, " vs ' ?
• 1249[11:59:16] <ratrace> ls -i in the dir to get the inode
• 1250[11:59:52] <Bushmills> some chars of text inclosed in double quotes are still expanded, while the are taken literal with single quotes.
• 1251[12:00:08] <at0m> Bushmills: sweet, didn't know!
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• 1254[12:01:01] <Bushmills> try echo "$SHELL" and echo '$SHELL'
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• 1257[12:01:54] <Bushmills> so when you'd have to use a lot of backquotes for escaping chars, single quotes may be preferable
• 1258[12:02:08] <Bushmills> backslashes, i mean
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• 1261[12:02:52] <Bushmills> techie, did you specifiy correct path to file on usb device?
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• 1263[12:03:59] <techie28> Bushmills, Yes else it wont autocomplete by tab I think?
• 1264[12:04:11] <Bushmills> that's correct
• 1265[12:04:17] <techie28> okay
• 1266[12:04:37] <techie28> I found its inode
• 1267[12:05:22] <techie28> ratrace, Would that be a problem if it was renamed elsewhere before transferring?
• 1268[12:05:32] <Bushmills> " I/O error too sometimes" may be an indication for a file system problem
• 1269[12:05:49] <alkisg> techie28: are you able to "cd" to that dir and use "ls"? If yes, try this: ls *Wanted*
• 1270[12:05:49] <alkisg> This allows you to only specify a part of the filename, replacing the weird parts with *
• 1271[12:06:01] <ratrace> techie28: you can also find . -inum <that inode number> -delete but make sure that's the file by running that find without -delete first
• 1272[12:06:21] <ratrace> "find . -inum <that inode number> -delete"
• 1273[12:06:28] <techie28> Bushmills, Yes but now it is not showing that
• 1274[12:06:36] <ratrace> techie28: would what be a problem?
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• 1281[12:08:20] <techie28> ratrace, yes say if it was renamed to something like 'abc.mkv' on some window laptop & then copied to HDD?
• 1282[12:08:48] <techie28> would than still be codepage charset problem?
• 1283[12:09:02] <ratrace> techie28: not sure what you're asking me, but in this particular case you seem to have a non-printable or otherwise "weird" char in the filename
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• 1286[12:09:45] <ratrace> so if you can rename that file to somethign with only ascii chars, somewhere, you should be fine . you should also be able to do the rename by inode like that article shows you
• 1287[12:09:51] <techie28> Im saying if I rename this file by connecting it on a non linux system without any weird names?
• 1288[12:10:00] <techie28> Okay
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• 1290[12:10:15] <techie28> thanks
• 1291[12:10:37] <Bushmills> with hard to specify file names, deleting them from a file manager like midnight commander (mc) usually works too
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• 1293[12:11:32] <techie28> find . -inum 8827 -delete still showing No such file or directory
• 1294[12:11:38] <techie28> I just tried to delete not rename
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• 1298[12:16:55] <ratrace> techie28: and you're sure ls -li shows that inode number for the file ?
• 1299[12:17:03] <techie28> Yes
• 1300[12:17:20] <ratrace> and you're running find in that same directory?
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• 1302[12:17:49] <techie28> It shows a list of number than space filename.. some files are enclosed in single quote(') while others are not
• 1303[12:18:06] <techie28> ratrace, yes the same location
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• 1305[12:18:35] <ratrace> i don't know then, sounds like you might be having some serious filesystem corruption there
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• 1307[12:18:40] <alkisg> Can you paste the whole line of the `ls` output for the file that you want to delete?
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• 1309[12:18:58] <ratrace> ls -li
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• 1313[12:19:54] <alkisg> For example, if I run `ls -l /bin`, one line is: 1704682 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 182352 Ιουν 24 15:50 systemctl
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• 1315[12:20:08] <techie28> replaced-url
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• 1317[12:20:28] <ratrace> techie28: you forgot -li
• 1318[12:20:36] <alkisg> techie28: ok, and now, can you paste the output of this? ls -l *Wanted*
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• 1321[12:21:02] <alkisg> Note the * there, they're right before and after Wanted, without spaces between Wanted
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• 1323[12:21:16] <techie28> replaced-url
• 1324[12:21:25] <alkisg> You can paste here, it's one line, no need for paste.debian.net
• 1325[12:21:36] <alkisg> ls -l *Wanted*
• 1326[12:22:24] <techie28> alkisg, that gives out -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1461665792 Jul 28 14:47 'Indias Most Wanted (2019)- 1.4GB - ESub - [Mov︹r].mkv'
• 1327[12:22:40] <alkisg> Great. Now carefully, replace "ls -l" with "rm" to delete it: rm *Wanted*
• 1328[12:23:30] <alkisg> Then run "ls" again. Was it deleted?
• 1329[12:23:38] <techie28> alkisg, It again says No Such File & Directory
• 1330[12:23:52] <techie28> ratrace, replaced-url
• 1331[12:23:56] <alkisg> techie28: then you have file system corruption and you need to fsck that disk,while it's unmounted
• 1332[12:23:57] <ratrace> but of course, if the inode method fails, something's terribly off
• 1333[12:24:04] <alkisg> You might even need to chkdsk /f it from windows
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• 1335[12:24:46] <techie28> okay.
• 1336[12:24:47] <alkisg> (if it's ntfs, I didn't read too much above in the chat)
• 1337[12:25:06] <techie28> alkisg, Im not sure if it is
• 1338[12:25:18] <alkisg> `lsblk --fs` will tell you
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• 1341[12:25:58] <techie28> yes that is NTFS
• 1342[12:26:19] <techie28> strangely it plays well in the video player though.
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• 1345[12:26:54] <techie28> some folders of the this HDD dont open up when accessed via GNOME.
• 1346[12:27:13] <techie28> this Im using is PLASMA it is opening them but rename/deletion is showing error
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• 1355[12:33:45] <Filystyn> helo
• 1356[12:33:53] <Filystyn> udev fails and here what i get
• 1357[12:34:02] <Filystyn> Failed to lower RLIMIT_NOFILE's soft limit to 1K: Function not implemented
• 1358[12:34:14] <Filystyn> i just upgraded to buster and this is happening ;-)
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• 1371[12:38:03] *** angerctl is now known as Namarrgon
• 1372[12:38:38] <Filystyn> it breaks systemslt too
• 1373[12:38:47] <Filystyn> systemctl*
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• 1375[12:40:00] <Filystyn> hurry up someone
• 1376[12:40:08] <Filystyn> typical debian borthel here
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• 1378[12:40:53] <ratrace> lol
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• 1380[12:41:12] <Filystyn> can I remove udev simply and dont bother with that shit ?
• 1381[12:41:18] <Filystyn> or will it break somehow system ?
• 1382[12:42:01] <RoyK> Filystyn: your system probably wouldn't boot properly if udev wasn't functioning
• 1383[12:42:12] <ratrace> or at all
• 1384[12:42:59] <Filystyn> yeah that is what i thought
• 1385[12:43:07] <Filystyn> but at the moment IT IS BROKEN - udev
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• 1388[12:43:52] <humpled> oh another CAPS lover, what is going ON?
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• 1392[12:44:54] <Filystyn> replaced-url
• 1393[12:45:18] <Filystyn> root@server:/etc/apt# journalctl -xe
• 1394[12:45:18] <Filystyn> Failed to lower RLIMIT_NOFILE's soft limit to 1K: Function not implemented
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• 1397[12:46:06] <Filystyn> need help with this one
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• 1399[12:46:26] <at0m> backup after borkage is wrong order of things
• 1400[12:47:57] <Filystyn> blah blah files are not a problem they are safe. the problem is how easyly debian breaks.
• 1401[12:48:01] <alkisg> Filystyn: the output of dpkg, above your paste, may contain the udev configure error
• 1402[12:48:20] <alkisg> A few lines BEFORE: Errors were encountered while processing:
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• 1404[12:49:32] <Bushmills> it appears that problem is only perceived, because post-install script fails - which may be the result that udev needs a reboot rather a restart
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• 1406[12:50:19] <Bushmills> (impression is because of restarting udev would fail)
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• 1408[12:51:27] <Bushmills> Therefore that's what I'd try: rebooting, then look whether the problem still shows
• 1409[12:52:44] * coruja recommends having debian live media ready - for the worst case
• 1410[12:52:45] <Filystyn> replaced-url
• 1411[12:52:47] <Filystyn> here is all
• 1412[12:52:53] <Bushmills> (I do have an alternatively bootable system at hand, from which I could chroot to installation if needed)
• 1413[12:53:28] <Filystyn> you mean reboot whoe system?
• 1414[12:53:44] <alkisg> Filystyn: why so many invalid characters there, like "^M �~@�" ?
• 1415[12:53:46] <Bushmills> yes. like, the computer
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• 1417[12:54:20] <alkisg> Was it something wrong with the paste, or do those really appear in the terminal?
• 1418[12:54:31] <Filystyn> yeah they appear in terminal
• 1419[12:54:44] <Filystyn> probably this side problem
• 1420[12:54:48] <Filystyn> maybe some utf crap
• 1421[12:54:54] <alkisg> Something seems very wrong. Did you transfer files via ftp or something other that would use windows newlines?
• 1422[12:55:07] <Filystyn> im on openbsd
• 1423[12:55:10] <Filystyn> server is debian
• 1424[12:55:16] <Filystyn> doubt there would be some windows type lines
• 1425[12:55:56] <Filystyn> └─10533 (md-udevd)
• 1426[12:56:17] <Filystyn> that's crap you are looking for some *smart guy* wanted to implement something more visible
• 1427[12:56:20] <Filystyn> and used fancy utf
• 1428[12:56:22] <Filystyn> told ya
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• 1431[12:56:56] <Filystyn> im scared to reboot
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• 1433[12:57:02] <Filystyn> what if udev wont work ?
• 1434[12:57:09] <Filystyn> how can i be sure it's installed even ?
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• 1436[12:57:36] <Bushmills> it is because already the post-install script was executing
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• 1438[12:57:46] <Bushmills> that is where it failed
• 1439[12:57:50] <Filystyn> ok
• 1440[12:57:52] <alkisg> udev detects most devices in the initramfs, and it's restarted later on as a systemd service
• 1441[12:58:07] <Filystyn> i removed initframs and used quick initframs
• 1442[12:58:19] <alkisg> I don't know what that means
• 1443[12:58:28] <Filystyn> well ok lets reboot
• 1444[12:58:38] <Filystyn> lets see if it will *fix it self* ( sic )
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• 1446[12:59:27] <Bushmills> "nvoke-rc.d: initscript udev, action "restart" failed."
• 1447[12:59:50] <Bushmills> so everything done up to the point where old process was meant to get replaced by new
• 1448[13:00:24] <alkisg> (01:58:06 PM) Filystyn: i removed initframs and used quick initframs ==> what does "quick initramfs" mean?
• 1449[13:00:59] <Filystyn> it was some other packet that does the same but had no problems installing
• 1450[13:01:22] * alkisg blinks
• 1451[13:01:33] <Filystyn> btw it's outrageos it blocks ssh when fail
• 1452[13:01:46] <alkisg> You installed another initramfs system, than the default initramfs-tools, one that had "quick" in its name?
• 1453[13:02:05] <Filystyn> aptitude suggested to swap
• 1454[13:02:13] <Filystyn> since I went on cleaning rampage
• 1455[13:02:17] <alkisg> Can you remember the package name? Or check the logs?
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• 1458[13:03:01] <alkisg> Now this, says "not installed"? dpkg -l initramfs-tools
• 1459[13:03:01] <Filystyn> yeah give me a sec
• 1460[13:03:18] <Filystyn> im using different packet so ofc it is not installed
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• 1462[13:04:11] <alkisg> It's hard to image debian booting without initramfs-tools. Maybe with "dracut", but it doesn't have "quick" anywhere...
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• 1466[13:07:10] <alkisg> Is it possible that you are on a VPS, and you're using the host's kernel and initrd to boot the system, instead of grub, kernel, initrd, initramfs?
• 1467[13:07:11] <humpled> "cleaning rampage" EEK
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• 1473[13:13:00] <Filystyn> I use reboot command
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• 1476[13:13:44] <alkisg> Filystyn: What's the exact output of these commands? uname -a; cat /proc/cmdline; dpkg -l initramfs-tools
• 1477[13:13:51] <Filystyn> but at the moment it does not matter i lteraly just fucke dup
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• 1479[13:14:24] <Filystyn> and I still blame fucking udev how could it turn down sshd Jezus Christ
• 1480[13:14:28] <alkisg> Those questions/answers matter a whole lot if we're to understand and help in recovery
• 1481[13:14:44] <alkisg> Well, udev expects iniramfs-tools to be there
• 1482[13:15:10] <Filystyn> there was something that was taking iniramfs-tools role
• 1483[13:15:30] <alkisg> I'm not aware of anything that can do that
• 1484[13:15:51] <alkisg> dracut is an alternative system, but you said something about "quick"...
• 1485[13:16:17] <Filystyn> minmal or quick at start
• 1486[13:16:34] <alkisg> OK, if you can paste the output of the 3 commands above, we can se
• 1487[13:16:35] <alkisg> *see
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• 1490[13:17:36] <Filystyn> At the moment I can't do anything ;-) since sshd is not running there anymore ( no idea why ). instead of writing reboot i somehow locked my last ssh session. just that
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• 1492[13:17:59] <Filystyn> Ill need to ask to do it manually kind of lame
• 1493[13:18:09] <Filystyn> since they did upgrade kernel version for me day ago
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• 1495[13:19:39] <alkisg> Ah you're the one from yesterday with the VPS, ok
• 1496[13:20:06] <alkisg> So you're booting without kernel/initrd/grub/initramfs-tools from debian
• 1497[13:20:26] <alkisg> You shouldn't have removed initramfs-tools though, as udev probably broke because that doesn't exist
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• 1499[13:20:48] <Filystyn> tbh aptitude was showing those two were broken
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• 1513[13:29:18] <Bushmills> udev has no dep on initram-tools. initramfs-tools suggested allteratives show as either tiny-initramds or dracut
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• 1516[13:30:19] <Bushmills> but linux-image depends on either, or will get uninstalled if none provided
• 1517[13:31:01] <alkisg> Bushmills: from udev.postinst: [ -x /usr/sbin/update-initramfs -a -e /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf ] \
• 1518[13:31:18] <alkisg> If aptitude removes (and not purges) initramfs-tools, this would be true, and cause issues
• 1519[13:31:35] <alkisg> As conffiles stay behind on package removals (vs purges)
• 1520[13:31:50] <Bushmills> but -x checks for executable
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• 1522[13:32:41] <Bushmills> conf alone without executable would result in false
• 1523[13:32:57] <alkisg> True; but I didn't look all the postinst, it might break elsewhere
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• 1525[13:33:14] <alkisg> I'm not sure people test a lot their postinst scripts with essential packages like initramfs tools missing
• 1526[13:33:40] <Bushmills> there's a difference between debian dependency management and postinstall scripts
• 1527[13:34:02] <alkisg> Exactly, which is what allowed him to remove initramfs-tools and yet udev would break without it
• 1528[13:34:27] <alkisg> I.e. it might be a bug in udev.postinst (or, they should state in Depends that they need initramfs-tools)
• 1529[13:34:35] <Bushmills> without intiramfs-tools or alaternative, there'd be no kernel
• 1530[13:34:53] <alkisg> The kernel is provided by his VPS
• 1531[13:34:56] <Bushmills> (not one from package management, not counting compiled from source)
• 1532[13:35:14] <alkisg> That's why I was asking about it, the kernel he's using is not in inside his installation
• 1533[13:35:26] <Bushmills> (or provided wildly)
• 1534[13:35:32] <alkisg> It's like "kvm -kernel xx -initrd yy debian.img"
• 1535[13:35:50] <alkisg> He said yesterday that `cat /proc/cmdline` had just "quiet"
• 1536[13:35:56] <alkisg> No BOOT_IMAGE, nothing
• 1537[13:36:07] <alkisg> I.e. no grub, probably not compiled kernel
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• 1539[13:36:16] <alkisg> Today he asked them to update the kernel, and this is the result :D
• 1540[13:36:16] <Bushmills> ah, the host 2.6 linux kernel ...
• 1541[13:36:21] <alkisg> Right
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• 1545[13:38:44] <Bushmills> I remember. But wasn't aware that it's same person, same machine
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• 1547[13:39:18] <Bushmills> should indeed have helped to know that it's the VPS
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• 1552[13:42:01] <Bushmills> vserver kind of vps? no full virtualisation, more a kind of super chroot?
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• 1570[13:57:04] <Filystyn> duno
• 1571[13:57:09] <Filystyn> i got root ye
• 1572[13:57:37] <Filystyn> but i remember there were few things I could not change
• 1573[13:57:39] <Bushmills> otherwise it'd probabky just be an account, not a virtual server
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• 1575[13:58:10] <Bushmills> trying to change iptables may be an indication.
• 1576[13:58:27] <vlt> Hello. I got a lot of (lvm) block devices with several rot file systems for virtual machines on my Debian host and therefore have set GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true in /etc/default/grub. How can I include one specific root fs into my grub menu (so that it will persist update-grub)?
• 1577[13:58:37] <vlt> s/rot/root
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• 1587[14:02:18] <SPiRiT__> Hi everybody :) Looking for good text editor (but simple) to edit php files. Something like Notepad++. I know there is notepadqq but it's not in the repositories and I want something in. Any suggestions? :)
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• 1589[14:02:34] <Mathisen> SPiRiT__, sublime
• 1590[14:03:35] <SPiRiT__> Thanks Mathisen. What is the package name? apt search sublime returns nothing
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• 1592[14:04:13] <Mathisen> ,v sublime-text
• 1593[14:04:14] <judd> No package named 'sublime-text' was found in amd64.
• 1594[14:04:17] <Mathisen> hmm
• 1595[14:04:30] <Mathisen> does not debian got sublime as standard ?
• 1596[14:04:55] <SPiRiT__> looks like not :) Also notepadqq is not there (I have no idea why)... switching from Archlinux to Debian :)
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• 1598[14:06:29] <EoflaOE> SPiRiT__: Sublime text can be installed this way: replaced-url
• 1599[14:06:30] <jezebel> Mathisen… remember the debian manifesto ;)
• 1600[14:06:52] <SPiRiT__> Thank you EoflaOE. Is there any similar good editor in the repositories? :)
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• 1602[14:07:22] <jezebel> what's in the repositories is guided by the manifesto
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• 1608[14:10:58] <Bushmills> SPiRiT__: a console and X capable programmer editor wth PHP support is efte, which is based on fte - the latter is rather old but still useful.
• 1609[14:11:15] <Bushmills> those are nicely configurable
• 1610[14:11:18] <jezebel> replaced-url
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• 1612[14:12:58] <SPiRiT__> Thank you Bushmills. But I look for something graphical and friendly. Notepad++ is perfect for me and I look for something similar, for example that I can highlight variable/function names.
• 1613[14:12:59] <Bushmills> (for PHP at least efte should be readily configured out of the box already)
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• 1615[14:13:08] <SPiRiT__> So looking for something similar to that.
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• 1618[14:14:13] <Bushmills> medit, maybe. also PHP support
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• 1620[14:15:08] <SPiRiT__> Actually I tried medit, ged, leafpad.... none of them give me the things that I like and need. :/
• 1621[14:15:14] <SPiRiT__> Looking for something more professional
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• 1630[14:21:32] <jezebel> SPiRiT__… kate, but you'll need kde
• 1631[14:21:48] <jezebel> geany if you want something super lightweight
• 1632[14:22:28] <jezebel> codeblocks?
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• 1634[14:26:09] <SPiRiT__> Thanks jezebel. Will look on them. Geany looks good, I'll check if it can highlight functions/variables etc'.
• 1635[14:26:19] <SPiRiT__> Thank you all for your suggestions :-)
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• 1637[14:27:27] <jezebel> if nothing's good enough, remember, they're open source ;)
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• 1640[14:28:44] <SPiRiT__> Most of them are good, it's just that there are small things that I really need. :}
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• 1651[14:32:38] <count3rmeasure> hey all, question about GDB on testing, it appears that the version of GDB that ships with testing isn't compiled with support for the guile scripting extension? Do I have that right? I'm getting an "Guile Scripting is not supported in this copy of GDB" error
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• 1653[14:33:29] <count3rmeasure> I'm trying here first before GDB just to see if this is standard
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• 1676[14:44:05] <Tjowers> I'm trying to get this kernel makefile to work, I downloaded the headers
• 1677[14:44:55] <Tjowers> In my /lib/modules/amd64-4.x/build it's empty
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• 1680[14:45:39] <EoflaOE> Tjowers: When you try to compile the kernel does it give you an error?
• 1681[14:46:01] <Tjowers> EoflaOE an error on the makefile itself
• 1682[14:46:14] <Tjowers> It says "no target modules"
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• 1685[14:47:06] <EoflaOE> Tjowers: Did you download the headers and source, or just headers?
• 1686[14:47:51] <Tjowers> EoflaOE `apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-amd64-x`
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• 1688[14:48:07] <Tjowers> So potentially that's only the headers
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• 1691[14:48:54] <EoflaOE> Tjowers: The kernel modules can't be built without sources, so can you try to download the source, and try to build this module?
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• 1696[14:52:38] <Tjowers> EoflaOE yeah, that's gonna be tricky for me. So it's not even particularly fetching of the source it's ensuring it's built in the right place, plus, won't building it the way it was previously built end up getting cleaned the way it was previously cleaned
• 1697[14:53:01] <Tjowers> Instead of cleaning it out after getting the image, I need to keep some stuff
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• 1699[14:53:53] <Tjowers> I might wanna turn this into a little tangent project, build linux from source and boot it on a flash maybe
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• 1701[14:53:59] <Tjowers> Does it come with a GUI?
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• 1703[14:54:11] <Tjowers> Or at least a teletype
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• 1725[15:07:28] <choice> Hello! I want to use ssh keys to log into my server. Should I do "ssh-keygen", or will I already have a key that I can use?
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• 1732[15:09:53] <nkuttler> choice: ssh-keygen
• 1733[15:10:21] <choice> Yup, but what if I already have a key?
• 1734[15:10:43] <nkuttler> that you didn't generate? burn the computer, get a new one, install debian again
• 1735[15:10:53] <choice> There is stuff in ~/.ssh/
• 1736[15:11:09] <choice> A key I generated for Github for example.
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• 1738[15:11:27] <nkuttler> can you ask your actual question?
• 1739[15:11:50] <choice> How I go about setting up a key for a certain machine.
• 1740[15:11:56] <nkuttler> ssh-keygen
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• 1743[15:12:16] <dvs> nkuttler, I think it's how to set up a passwordless connnection with ssh
• 1744[15:12:21] <p8m> choice: if you have a gpg key you can generate an ssh key from that
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• 1746[15:12:25] <astronavt> choice, you would follow the same instructions you got from github. and the github instructions told you to use ssh-keygen
• 1747[15:12:26] <nkuttler> dvs: i prefer not to guess
• 1748[15:12:44] <choice> astronavt: Yeah. I gave that key the name "github".
• 1749[15:12:51] <choice> Wonder how I will call the one for my other machine.
• 1750[15:12:52] <astronavt> choice, ok. same process, just call it something else
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• 1752[15:13:04] <nkuttler> choice: see man ssh-keygen
• 1753[15:13:28] <choice> Yeah, will just give it some funny name.
• 1754[15:13:36] <astronavt> choice, the only difference is this: in github, you paste the public key into a window in the settings page. on another computer, you must paste the public key into ~/.ssh/authorizedKeys
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• 1756[15:13:46] <astronavt> sorry, ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
• 1757[15:13:52] <astronavt> (bad keyboard)
• 1758[15:13:57] <choice> astronavt: The myfunnyname.pub file?
• 1759[15:14:00] <astronavt> yes
• 1760[15:14:03] <choice> Ok...
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• 1762[15:14:23] <astronavt> that tells the ssh server that "whoever has this key is allowed to log in"
• 1763[15:14:54] <choice> "scp myfunnyname.pub myserver:/root/.ssh/authorized_keys/" ?
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• 1766[15:16:12] <astronavt> sure. two caveats: 1) to do that the first time you need password access. 2) that will _overwrite_ the authorized_keys file, so if you already have something in that file you will need another method
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• 1768[15:16:45] <choice> Oh, so *not* authorized_keys/ but authorized_keys?
• 1769[15:16:58] <astronavt> yes
• 1770[15:17:01] <astronavt> it's a file, not a directory
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• 1772[15:17:05] <choice> ok .. here we go ...
• 1773[15:17:07] <astronavt> it would probably make more sense if it was a directory
• 1774[15:17:17] <astronavt> a ssh public key is 1 line
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• 1776[15:17:20] <astronavt> so you have 1 key per line
• 1777[15:17:26] <astronavt> *public* key, that is
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• 1780[15:17:50] <choice> Done. Now how do I ssh into the machine?
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• 1782[15:18:16] <humpled> :v
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• 1784[15:19:01] <astronavt> choice, have you configured your ~/.ssh/config file?
• 1785[15:19:13] <choice> astronavt: Nope. Let me take a peek into it ...
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• 1789[15:20:13] <astronavt> choice, add an entry like this replaced-url
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• 1791[15:20:34] <choice> Yup, it's working now!
• 1792[15:20:36] <choice> Thanks!
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• 1794[15:21:35] <choice> Will "Host something.com" also apply to "subdomain.something.com"?
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• 1798[15:23:44] <McErroneous> .
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• 1800[15:24:23] <astronavt> choice i recommend reading the man page. or trying it yourself
• 1801[15:25:11] <McErroneous> I am trying to connect to my bluetooth smartphone using cli only, without sucess...: what tutorial is this..., it is not really show me howt to do this: replaced-url
• 1802[15:25:27] <McErroneous> it is of little use..
• 1803[15:26:03] <McErroneous> i bet not 10% of all 1528 users, in this channel are able to connect to their smartphone BT using cli only....
• 1804[15:26:15] <choice> McErroneous: I surely can't.
• 1805[15:26:42] <humpled> i've done it but can't remember how
• 1806[15:26:56] <choice> McErroneous: replaced-url
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• 1808[15:28:01] <choice> McErroneous: You could use an FTP application. They are free. But they send all your data to some shady ad agencies and track when you pee and what you watch on tv.
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• 1814[15:29:07] <choice> My usual solution is to use a cable.
• 1815[15:29:43] <McErroneous> choice: wow.., they have cabled Bluetooth now ?
• 1816[15:29:59] <McErroneous> ^lol...
• 1817[15:30:09] <choice> Yup next to the section with bluetooth over bongos.
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• 1820[15:34:17] <astronavt> replaced-url
• 1821[15:34:21] <astronavt> first hit on ddg
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• 1825[15:37:58] <choice> There are first hits for everything.
• 1826[15:38:12] <choice> Even for "How to check if a program will halt or not".
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• 1830[15:40:20] <astronavt> yes, first hit was useful: replaced-url
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• 1834[15:41:54] <koollman> astronavt: just wait for infinite time and stop the program if you reach it
• 1835[15:42:11] <astronavt> duh
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• 1837[15:42:29] <koollman> you can optimize by only waiting for infinite-1
• 1838[15:42:47] <astronavt> are notification daemons typically dbus services? or is there a reason why one would be packaged as such?
• 1839[15:43:19] <astronavt> a lot of people on the internet (myself included) have problems with dunst "kicking out" other notification daemons, and the problem seems to be in part that it's managed thru dbus and not systemd
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• 1841[15:43:35] <astronavt> and im wondering what the rationale is for doing that, from the debian packaging perspective
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• 1845[15:44:06] <alkisg> astronavt: notification daemons are usually dbus services that are launched by system user service units
• 1846[15:44:11] <alkisg> *systemd
• 1847[15:44:18] <alkisg> So it's dbus AND systemd
• 1848[15:44:33] <astronavt> alkisg, in this case it seems to be the other way around, i kill the systemd service (which is not a user service, its running as root) and it pops right back up
• 1849[15:44:43] <astronavt> someone told me that this is because the dbus service is restarting the systemd service
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• 1851[15:44:57] <astronavt> (im just learning about dbus services today so im still figuring out how it all works)
• 1852[15:45:37] <alkisg> astronavt: systemd *system* units don't usually access Xorg, the desktop, panel etc. Systemd user units do access xorg
• 1853[15:46:05] <alkisg> astronavt: what are you reading, maybe you misunderstood something from there
• 1854[15:46:14] <astronavt> reading people on irc mostly so far
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• 1856[15:46:34] <alkisg> Which is the systemd unit name?
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• 1859[15:46:49] <astronavt> ah no you're right. it's a user service
• 1860[15:47:10] <astronavt> systemctl --user | grep dunst -> dunst.service
• 1861[15:47:10] <alkisg> If it's running as root, someone did the mistake of running "sudo xxx" instead of "xxx"
• 1862[15:47:17] <astronavt> no its not root. my mistake
• 1863[15:47:20] <alkisg> ok
• 1864[15:47:41] <astronavt> but yeah, if i stop the service it just starts again
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• 1868[15:48:08] <alkisg> astronavt: which exact command do you use to stop the service?
• 1869[15:48:09] <astronavt> my _ultimate_ goal is to be able to use different notification daemons on different desktops. but for now i just want to stop this one from loading and start using xfce notifications again
• 1870[15:48:42] <astronavt> huh wait it stopped. ok
• 1871[15:48:58] <astronavt> this worked: systemctl --user stop dunst.service
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• 1873[15:49:11] <alkisg> ...while `kill` would respawn it
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• 1875[15:49:35] <alkisg> As systemd would have been configured to respawn this service on exit (usually)
• 1876[15:50:02] <astronavt> hm. if i use systemctl disable, would i still expect to see it in systemctl --all output?
• 1877[15:50:30] <astronavt> "loaded inactive dead" that means it's available, but won't start automatically and isn't currently running
• 1878[15:50:31] <astronavt> is that right?
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• 1937[16:41:55] <ayekat> the systemd unit doesn't need to be enabled - dbus will start it automatically if anything communicates with org.freedesktop.Notifications
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• 1940[16:42:44] <ayekat> then again I don't know dbus well enough to know what happens if you've got multiple notification daemons installed
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• 1942[16:43:41] <ayekat> perhaps dbus launches both, and one (at random) will fail because the other one is already running - or maybe there is a more civilised way of selecting the one to run ¯\(°_o)/¯
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• 1995[17:14:12] <astronavt> ayekat, i think the "one fails at random" is what happens. at least, someone had suggested that to me previously
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• 2032[17:40:41] <g0zzy> Something queer with my shell. Can anyone explain? replaced-url
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• 2035[17:41:53] <Habbie> g0zzy, find -maxdepth 1 -name '*.img' | hexdump -C
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• 2039[17:43:24] <g0zzy> Yes that seems to be OK ..?
• 2040[17:43:42] <Habbie> can i see it?
• 2041[17:43:46] <McErroneous> debian-repository "deb replaced-url
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• 2043[17:44:59] <Habbie> McErroneous, what's the output?
• 2044[17:45:15] <g0zzy> Sure replaced-url
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• 2047[17:46:02] <Habbie> g0zzy, indeed
• 2048[17:46:05] <Habbie> g0zzy, how about echo 20*
• 2049[17:47:01] <ayekat> g0zzy: have you accidentally `set -f` at some point?
• 2050[17:47:18] <Habbie> ayekat, oh that does seem very likely!
• 2051[17:47:33] <Habbie> g0zzy, so please try 'set +f'
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• 2053[17:47:42] <g0zzy> Hmm don't think so.
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• 2056[17:49:14] <g0zzy> Yes that did it thanks. How on earth did it get set though?
• 2057[17:49:24] <McErroneous> How to i copy my Error.txt into paste buffer , to upload the error ?
• 2058[17:49:24] <g0zzy> (or unset)
• 2059[17:49:35] <Habbie> g0zzy, did you perhaps 'source' or '.' a script that might have done that?
• 2060[17:50:11] <g0zzy> Don't think so. So -f disables globbing?
• 2061[17:50:15] <Habbie> yes
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• 2063[17:50:23] <Habbie> $ help set | grep -- -f
• 2064[17:50:24] <Habbie> -f Disable file name generation (globbing).
• 2065[17:50:26] <Habbie> noglob same as -f
• 2066[17:50:27] <rockstardevil> bluetooth speaker is connectd but getting no sound fix plss
• 2067[17:50:33] <jmcnaught> McErroneous: use pastebinit or pipe to 'nc termbin.com 9999'
• 2068[17:50:35] <g0zzy> Right. Thanks
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• 2070[17:51:02] <Tjowers> Ok I want to build Nginx from source, where should I download the tarball to?
• 2071[17:51:12] <Tjowers> Is there a typical directory?
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• 2074[17:51:29] <Habbie> Tjowers, why do you want that?
• 2075[17:51:38] <Abdullah> Tjowers: maybe try some source based distro channel.
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• 2077[17:51:48] <Habbie> (i don't think there's a typical directory for that on debian, unless you count /usr/src)
• 2078[17:51:54] <Abdullah> lemme check if I have a port for it. I'll share then.
• 2079[17:51:58] <rockstardevil> bluetooth speaker is connectd but getting no sound fix plss\
• 2080[17:52:02] <Tjowers> I want to build a package from source
• 2081[17:52:09] <Tjowers> I chose nginx
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• 2083[17:52:28] <Abdullah> no luck.
• 2084[17:52:29] <Tjowers> Because I might as well start learning a web-server takes too long to build one
• 2085[17:52:43] <Abdullah> lol
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• 2088[17:53:25] <ayekat> `apt-get source` should give you the package sources
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• 2090[17:54:23] <McErroneous> replaced-url
• 2091[17:54:27] <Abdullah> ayekat: I had some debugging packages, how can I find them?
• 2092[17:54:27] <McErroneous> replaced-url
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• 2094[17:55:53] <jmcnaught> McErroneous: are you mixing Debian releases?
• 2095[17:55:55] <McErroneous> replaced-url
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• 2097[17:56:29] <astronavt> Tjowers, if its system-wide, /usr/local/src. if it's just for you, ~/.local/src or ~/src
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• 2107[17:59:11] <McErroneous> jmcnaught: No , i am not mixing release versions..., no mayor release version..., at least..
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• 2109[18:00:02] <Habbie> McErroneous, can you show all your apt sources then?
• 2110[18:00:05] <jmcnaught> McErroneous: can you make a paste of 'apt-cache policy' ?
• 2111[18:00:46] <Habbie> or that
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• 2122[18:07:12] <McErroneous> output of "apt-cache policy " replaced-url
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• 2125[18:08:04] <jmcnaught> McErroneous: you are mixing squeeze (debian 6, support ended in 2016) with buster (stable, debian 10) which you simply cannot do
• 2126[18:08:24] <McErroneous> LOL....
• 2127[18:08:40] <McErroneous> Yes... you dont have the answer..., just say it.
• 2128[18:08:46] <McErroneous> by
• 2129[18:08:50] <dvs> !lart McErroneous
• 2130[18:08:51] * dpkg readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at McErroneous
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• 2132[18:09:05] <dvs> It worked!
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• 2162[18:33:30] <CrystalMath> I FIXED THE FONT!!!
• 2163[18:33:34] <CrystalMath> it's back to what it was
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• 2165[18:33:46] <CrystalMath> if anyone's interested, i have a patch you could apply to freetype
• 2166[18:33:53] <CrystalMath> that restores the old debian 9 font rendering
• 2167[18:34:21] <alexandros_tab> good does anyone know how to get flash working in properly in chromium? The plash is playing but the color is pixelated. I am using debian buster with an amd card.
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• 2177[18:45:36] <karlpinc> CrystalMath: This is in gnome? Congrads, you've been working at this for quite a while.
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• 2180[18:46:41] <CrystalMath> karlpinc: not just gnome, it was in freetype
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• 2182[18:47:20] <ratrace> CrystalMath: what was wrong with the font?
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• 2184[18:48:06] <CrystalMath> ratrace: it was too tall
• 2185[18:48:09] <CrystalMath> for the same size in points
• 2186[18:48:24] <CrystalMath> i lost a lot of vertical space, and the letters were too narrow
• 2187[18:48:33] <CrystalMath> upstream insists that's how it "should be"
• 2188[18:48:38] <CrystalMath> but i made a patch
• 2189[18:48:43] <CrystalMath> that reverts it to look like 2.6.3
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• 2192[18:49:51] <rockstardevil> bluetooth speaker is connectd but getting no sound fix plss
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• 2251[19:43:21] <Led_Zeppelin> any kerberos pros here? I am curious if I need to have my user name in a SPN keytab creation.
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• 2392[21:33:27] <alphanet> hello, just upgraded to buster, everything is fine (except a bug about nullmailer/logcheck I just reported), but I have an issue with popcon. The URL seems wrong (unable to submit report to replaced-url
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• 2399[21:34:24] <nkuttler> alphanet: remove the trailing dot?
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• 2402[21:35:28] <alphanet> SUBMITURLS="replaced-url
• 2403[21:35:35] <alphanet> no dot here
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• 2407[21:36:11] <alphanet> should I change this to https?
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• 2418[21:46:20] <Bushmills> popcon script - assuming you want to view package popularity - shows here a php, not cgi
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• 2420[21:46:35] <Bushmills> example: replaced-url
• 2421[21:46:49] <alphanet> Bushmills: no, this is about automatic submission via HTTP
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• 2423[21:46:59] <alphanet> Bushmills: not about consulting a web GUI
• 2424[21:47:03] <Bushmills> ah, ok
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• 2430[21:47:51] <alphanet> Bushmills: thanks anyway :)
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• 2436[21:49:34] <Kon-> Is there a page that shows a master list of all package migrations into unstable, testing, etc? Similar to the ones that show on the developer info page for individual packages
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• 2471[22:09:36] <annadane> what is the way to install a package so that a setting doesn't override another one? specifically i want to install i3 but not have its popup notfication style override that of xfce's
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• 2476[22:13:31] <Filystyn> exit
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• 2488[22:20:03] <eblip> hey i have installed cifs-utils but when i execute command mount.cifs it says command not found
• 2489[22:20:12] <eblip> but i can use man mount.cifs
• 2490[22:20:20] <eblip> and cifs utils is installed
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• 2493[22:21:56] <diogenes_> eblip, maybe with sudo.
• 2494[22:22:11] <eblip> im using sudo
• 2495[22:22:24] <eblip> i have just doen whereis mount.cifs and it seems to be all over the place
• 2496[22:22:28] <eblip> but not where my path is pointing
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• 2501[22:25:11] <jmichel> /sbin/mount.cifs ?
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• 2505[22:26:20] <eblip> thanks jmichel...mut be down to my upgrade
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• 2508[22:26:53] <eblip> but i added path of /sbin to my PATH Variable and now it works ..oh and exported it in my bashrc
• 2509[22:27:50] <humbot> (rolls eyes)
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• 2519[22:31:37] <annadane> eblip, use su - to become root then, not su
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• 2521[22:33:17] <annadane> i see we're going to be having this conversation until bullseye releases
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• 2524[22:34:42] <jmichel> Or, you could use sudo -s
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• 2538[22:39:13] <jmichel> @eblip Is "/sbin" in your /etc/environment ?
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• 2540[22:39:45] <eblip> im root to do it
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• 2545[22:40:19] <eblip> ah jmichel ah ok i put it in my .bashrc for root ...i'll check if its in /etc/environemnt
• 2546[22:40:21] <eblip> thanks
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• 2548[22:41:42] <eblip> no my /etc/environment file is empty
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• 2551[22:42:13] <jmichel> It should not be.
• 2552[22:42:14] <eblip> ill have to have a look into how my root path variable is established
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• 2555[22:44:07] <aindilis> does any know of an application for redacting codebases, that learns your redactions and can apply them to future revisions?
• 2556[22:44:48] <Bushmills> probably through login.defs
• 2557[22:45:23] <Bushmills> (ENV_SUPATH)
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• 2559[22:46:15] <eblip> it looks like for some reason ..in my /etc/profile file
• 2560[22:46:23] <eblip> i log in as a user who is not root
• 2561[22:46:44] <eblip> and when i su to root , i am still keeping the users $PATH
• 2562[22:46:53] <Bushmills> that's normal
• 2563[22:46:58] <eblip> so either my /etc/profile is not being run
• 2564[22:46:59] <Bushmills> that's what su - is for
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• 2567[22:47:46] <eblip> hmm ...yes but Bushmills, on my other debian machine ..i just su and it immediately picks up the roots path
• 2568[22:47:53] <astronavt> aindilis, maybe quilt or patch?
• 2569[22:48:14] <astronavt> or heck, sed
• 2570[22:48:15] <astronavt> i dont know of anything intelligent
• 2571[22:48:23] <eblip> there is a difference though ..one is buster the other is stretch
• 2572[22:48:27] <aindilis> astronavt: ty!
• 2573[22:49:04] <Bushmills> eblip: PATH alone may not be sufficient. Try this: su , then at the # prompt, enter echo $USER $UID
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• 2575[22:49:10] <Bushmills> repeat that with su -
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• 2578[22:49:47] <Bushmills> now imagine a script in a PATH directory for root, which checks whether calling user is root by testing $UID
• 2579[22:49:57] <eblip> ah great stuff Bushmills
• 2580[22:50:08] <eblip> even on root terminal it is saying i am user
• 2581[22:50:11] <Bushmills> that script will then find that even though you are root, you aren't :)
• 2582[22:51:37] <Bushmills> therefore, just setting PATH to include su directories, it's still only a half assed solution
• 2583[22:51:54] <eblip> but when i su - it all works perfectly
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• 2585[22:52:04] <eblip> ill fix it up and use that in future
• 2586[22:52:17] <Bushmills> even such a script will then agree
• 2587[22:52:28] <eblip> user is now root and id 0
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• 2589[22:52:35] <eblip> thanks
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• 2591[22:53:09] <humbot> my /etc/environment is empty
• 2592[22:53:17] <nt0> i would like to add python support to gdb in debian. to do this do i need to ./configure --<all output of "gdb --configuration plus the python option> and then run make? i have the sources from apt.
• 2593[22:53:19] <humbot> oops scrolledup
• 2594[22:53:25] <Bushmills> humbot: so is mine
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• 2597[22:53:36] <humbot> oh fine
• 2598[22:53:55] <jmichel> My bad. I checked on a ubuntu :(
• 2599[22:53:58] <Bushmills> your system isn't broken because of this
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• 2602[22:54:45] <jelly> nt0, isn't python support already there?
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• 2605[22:55:22] <nt0> jelly: nope. the output of gdb --configuration contains the line "--without-python"
• 2606[22:55:34] <jelly> ,depends gdb
• 2607[22:55:35] <judd> Package gdb in buster/amd64 -- depends: libbabeltrace1 (>= 1.2.1), libc6 (>= 2.17), libexpat1 (>= 2.0.1), libipt2 (>= 2.0), liblzma5 (>= 5.1.1alpha+20110809), libncursesw6 (>= 6), libpython3.7 (>= 3.7.0), libreadline7 (>= 6.0), libtinfo6 (>= 6), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.0).
• 2608[22:55:42] <eblip> im going 100 percent debain on laptop and 2 computers ..used to use opensuse on laptop and gentoo on 2 computers ..but had a big issue after a 5 year install went wrong ..and it messed up my work and a little bit of trouble so need somethng reliable and debian it is
• 2609[22:55:46] <jelly> nt0, why does it depend on libpython3.7 then?
• 2610[22:55:51] <eblip> im liking it but there are a few little differences
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• 2612[22:56:01] <jelly> nt0, which debian release and gdb version are you using?
• 2613[22:56:04] <ayhan> hi
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• 2619[22:58:07] <jelly> nt0, my old Debian 9 install gdb --configuration also says: [...] --with-python=/usr (relocatable)
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• 2622[23:01:40] <jelly> nt0, and even gdb in Debian 8 has python support, but python2.7 not 3
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• 2679[23:56:55] <nt0> jelly: i think i need to put a helmet on for my own safety. i had gdb-minimal installed. i went through the configuration of the source, compiled it, and then learned that i didn't actually have debian's fully featured gdb installed. hooray.
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