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2[00:00:25] <joepublic> Advanced RISC Machines is doing okay, I think
3[00:00:37] <nyov> :p
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6[00:00:46] <joepublic> I run debian on a couple machines with their chips in them.
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10[00:01:40] <nyov> I think rasbpi did them much favor. or was it as well-known or widespread before then?
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13[00:02:43] <nyov> i'll take some time to look up history there. laters
14[00:02:55] <joepublic> well, there was an ARMy of phones of course
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23[00:11:37] <nyov> hm
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25[00:12:20] <nyov> "Texas Instruments licensed the ARM7TDMI, which was designed into the Nokia 6110, the first ARM-powered GSM phone. This led to the popular series of Nokia phones using the processor, including the 3210 and 3310."
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27[00:12:33] <nyov> guess we have to thank nokia for that?
28[00:14:17] <bluejaypop> one question, I'm creating a .deb package. If the package works for all architectures (sound files) should I add Architecture: i386 amd powerpc ... or what is the "correct" way to add into the control file of the DEBIAN directory?
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30[00:15:33] <ksk> !multiarch howto
31[00:15:33] <dpkg> from memory, multiarch howto is replaced-url
32[00:16:07] <ksk> last paragraph from that wiki article: When to use :native and when to use :any?
33[00:16:08] <ksk> The purpose of :any is to annotate a dependency and indicate that the architecture of the target package does not matter.
34[00:16:11] <nyov> bluejaypop: no. it was either any or all i think
35[00:16:20] <bluejaypop> ok, thanks let me check
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47[00:23:23] <bluejaypop> ksk, found it thanks !
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57[00:29:44] <nyov> and it was 'all', wasn't it?
58[00:30:46] <nyov> weird that I even had to check this. but the use of any and all in that context is kinda muddled
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62[00:34:11] <scaredysquirrel> can I install Debian by cloning the Linux rootfs and changing the hostname? i wanna put debian sid on the easy way
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65[00:35:29] <ksk> sure, you will need to chroot into that (mount sys proc and dev), and install grub on the new device also.
66[00:35:31] <scaredysquirrel> i want to copy the files without any mounts present
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68[00:35:56] <scaredysquirrel> /dev is mounted and i don't want to mess with how it is
69[00:36:08] <ksk> if you want sid, you install stable, upgrade to testing, upgrade to sid - this is the way (mandalorian voice) :P
70[00:36:12] <scaredysquirrel> ok
71[00:36:20] <ksk> you do not sync /dev.
72[00:36:23] <ksk> !grub-install
73[00:36:23] <dpkg> See all that crap in grub-install8 Ignore it. zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz instead.
74[00:36:34] <ksk> mhm, not the one I was looking for..
75[00:36:40] <scaredysquirrel> but how not to sync /dev?
76[00:36:44] <ksk> !chroot
77[00:36:44] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --rbind --make-rslave /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
78[00:36:52] <scaredysquirrel> ah
79[00:36:57] <ksk> scaredysquirrel: you dont. /dev is the devices your machine has (as in hardware attached)
80[00:37:17] <ksk> if you ask these kind of questions, you might want reconsider and install the normal way though.. ;)
81[00:37:26] <scaredysquirrel> well i'll be out to the livecd bye
82[00:37:35] <ksk> good luck
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90[00:40:02] <scaredysquirrel> why does opening a new Gnome terminal have to be so slow?
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93[00:40:46] <nyov> gnomes are slow creatures
94[00:41:08] <Sleaker> maybe if you used a non-gnome terminal it'd be faster?
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96[00:41:25] <autopsy> Use st terminal
97[00:41:34] <jsync> Is there a debian file browser that doesn't crash within directories containing j2c files, not actually? Nautilus crashes.
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99[00:41:49] <nyov> jsync: "ls"
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102[00:42:10] <jsync> "File browser"?
103[00:42:18] <scaredysquirrel> thunar?
104[00:42:20] <autopsy> Also: "stat" and "file".
105[00:42:23] <scaredysquirrel> rox filer
106[00:42:32] <scaredysquirrel> i'll bbl
107[00:42:38] <autopsy> dolphin?
108[00:42:45] <autopsy> hippopatamus?
109[00:43:03] <autopsy> What is this, this cuircus is a zoo.
110[00:43:04] <KillThemAll> autopsy's mother?
111[00:43:07] <KillThemAll> What are we playing?
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114[00:43:20] <autopsy> Yeah tic tac toe mo fo.
115[00:43:26] <jsync> Dolphin is kde. What happened to Gnome Commander?
116[00:44:02] <KillThemAll> Got streamlined?
117[00:44:47] <jsync> I typically use Konquerer for this, though I thought to look for a gnome browser or plugin for Nautilus.
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119[00:46:17] <tomreyn> maybe nautilus can be a debian file browser that doesn't crash within directories containing j2c files, after a bug report was written, a patch worked on and applied.
120[00:46:24] <nyov> jsync: you do know that the answer to that question should be "any", right?
121[00:46:33] <nyov> or what tomreyn said
122[00:48:00] <nyov> if a file browser can be crashed by files, I don't want to run it.
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124[00:48:37] <jsync> That would work. I haven't written a bug report before, not actually.
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126[00:49:39] <jsync> Perhaps Nautilus just needs a citation about j2c files & default icon for them.
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128[00:50:14] <jsync> ImageMagick is the only image viewer for .j2c files.
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130[00:50:38] <jsync> In all of linux, just ImageMagick.
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132[00:50:54] <nyov> never heard of that extension. what is that?
133[00:51:13] <jsync> .j2c is a jpeg 2000 image file, fyi.
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135[00:51:25] <nyov> srsly? weird
136[00:51:32] <jsync> Yah.
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138[00:51:56] <jsync> I usually forget & my browser crashes.
139[00:52:00] <tomreyn> the jpeg year 2000 bug
140[00:52:04] <nyov> and feh and gimp and all the others can't open jpeg2000 when they're in j2c filenames?
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142[00:52:52] <jsync> I think gimp can, using a special plugin. I usually use a converter to make those files.
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144[00:53:50] <jsync> They're important files, according to Virtual World viewer developers. *Shrugs*
145[00:54:12] <nyov> wikipedia lists jpeg2000 extension names as .jp2, .j2k, .jpf, .jpx, .jpm, .mj2
146[00:54:50] <jsync> When editing viewer software, I typically use .j2c files where they're deemed "important".
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148[00:55:42] <jsync> replaced-url
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150[00:56:34] <tomreyn> like almost anything else, nautilus will handle those files by mime type, not file extension replaced-url
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152[00:57:08] <nyov> as it should be. but then it's probably some plugin that's crashing it
153[00:57:38] <tomreyn> maybe, we'll never find out since jsync has not reported a bug before
154[00:58:35] <jsync> Well, it's specifically a "jpeg 2000 code stream" file, not a "jpeg2000" file, not actually.
155[00:59:38] <jsync> I'll read & figure out the standard customs for reporting bugs.
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160[01:04:44] <zodd> how can/should I configure passenger+nginx in Buster? (to run redmine)
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172[01:12:20] <ksk> zodd: I would think redmine offers some sort of configration advise, no?
173[01:12:25] <ksk> advice.
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175[01:15:11] <jsync> Thanks for the help. Bug report has been filed via email.
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177[01:15:51] <zodd> ksk, yes, but for an old version of Debian/redmine. Also: phusion has its own repo which I prefer not to user
178[01:15:55] <zodd> -r
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180[01:16:32] <zodd> there is a mod for nginx which can be installed from there, but it seems I can also do without
181[01:16:46] <zodd> however I have no idea how
182[01:16:49] <ksk> zodd: I doubt you will get specific advice to setting up that software in here. yes, people in #debian do know nginx, and some might know passenger. but that in conclusion with a specific app...
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189[01:18:18] <zodd> if I only knew how to config passenger.There is no /etc/passenger for instance...
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193[01:19:13] <ksk> is passenger a mod for apache2?
194[01:19:16] <ksk> *is not
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196[01:19:43] <zodd> passenger can be run standalone or as a mod for nginx or more well known apache
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200[01:22:05] <zodd> ksk, replaced-url
201[01:22:30] <zodd> a bit outdated...
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204[01:23:37] <ksk> mhm, reading replaced-url
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208[01:24:20] <ksk> while these docs might be totally outdated, given some background knowledge you should get an Idea of how to adapt it to buster (should all the needed software pieces actually be in buster..)
209[01:25:10] <zodd> I have a running setup on an old server, but that is apache based
210[01:25:30] <ksk> btw, how about
211[01:25:33] <ksk> ,v redmine
212[01:25:34] <judd> Package: redmine on amd64 -- stretch: 3.3.1-4+deb9u2; stretch-proposed-updates: 3.3.1-4+deb9u3; stretch-security: 3.3.1-4+deb9u3; buster-backports: 4.0.4-3~bpo10+1; bullseye: 4.0.4-3; sid: 4.0.4-3
213[01:25:52] <ksk> there seems to be a redmine version in buster-backports ;)
214[01:26:05] <zodd> yes, just released
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216[01:27:34] <ksk> I once tried that "free/open" facebook alternative "diaspora" which was ruby hosted. not sure if ruby or nodejs is worse :P
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218[01:28:12] <ksk> (in a webhosting, use that package-manager to get that package-manage to get these packages kind of scenario, not as a language)
219[01:28:14] <zodd> lol
220[01:29:14] <ksk> replaced-url
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222[01:29:53] <nyov> i wouldn't trust a package version number that is 404
223[01:29:55] <zodd> say one is fine with an extra apt repo: replaced-url
224[01:30:09] <zodd> lol
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237[01:39:16] <zodd> ok. So it can be done as a mod: replaced-url
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239[01:39:58] <zodd> however I prefer to run passenger as a webserver on its own and proxy to it, so I do not need to get an external repo into play
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242[01:42:15] <zodd> oh joy an install generator is included. I love ruby...
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249[01:45:17] <zodd> cool, can be fixed with 'thin'
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321[02:35:38] <Nautilus> I'm not real familiar with linux, but yesterday I plugged in an external USB, debian found it, I installed samba and shared the USB over to a Win7 system. Turned it on tonight and it seems like it doesn't see the external USB... what to do? I'd like to make it always ready when I boot.
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324[02:40:21] <BazookaTooth> Nautilus: need more details
325[02:40:50] <Nautilus> ok, might have just had a friend pop into irc, we're talking about it, will come back here if needed
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387[03:14:38] <Nautilus> ok, my friend tells me since it auto mounted yesterday, it's messing me up now. Looks like I have to do some fstab editing, not sure what to put there, though dmesg seems to indicate it's sdb. What other info can I find to help?
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389[03:15:17] <Nautilus> doesn't look like it has a UUID?
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393[03:20:06] <nyov> Nautilus: it will have one. Look in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ and find the one pointing at sdb
394[03:21:06] <Nautilus> 2 UUIDs which sounds right for a laptop with one internal
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399[03:22:48] <Nautilus> how to tell what they're pointing at? cat uh, didnt help ;)
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402[03:23:52] <nyov> hm. for me, ls just shows the symlink target.
403[03:23:56] <nyov> try: stat -c '%N' /dev/disk/by-uuid/*
404[03:24:57] <Nautilus> sda1 and sda5, maybe the internal has 2 partitions
405[03:25:27] <nyov> looks like it does
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407[03:25:49] <nyov> your external device is plugged in and recognized?
408[03:26:26] <Nautilus> unsure. Perhaps I should start over and shut it off, unplug drive, and restart?
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410[03:27:08] <Nautilus> it is plugged in, but can't say its recognized. Oh, "dmesg | tail" did say something about external USB
411[03:27:16] <Nautilus> and that's where I got sdb from
412[03:27:48] <nyov> could you be more specific about what dmesg says? maybe pastebin that?
413[03:28:34] <Nautilus> ok, will take me a moment.
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415[03:28:53] <nyov> "sudo dmesg -Hw" for some colorful output
416[03:29:10] <aindilis> hi, rkhunter hangs on a rootkit detection test, any idea what I should do?
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422[03:30:59] <Nautilus> I'm going to start over. shutdown then unplug drive?
423[03:31:31] <tomreyn> aindilis got their answer elsewhere
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427[03:32:58] <Nautilus> nyov: I've shutdown, unplug drive to boot?
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429[03:33:17] <nyov> ?
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431[03:33:41] <nyov> oh. unless it's a bootable drive, it shouldn't matter if it's plugged in
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434[03:34:06] <Nautilus> ok, repowering with drive plugged in
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442[03:38:50] <Nautilus> nyov: ok, after a boot with usb drive plugged in, dmesg -Hw doesn't complete
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444[03:39:13] <nyov> it never completes. you have to Ctrl-C it
445[03:39:17] <Nautilus> ok, i did
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448[03:39:48] <Nautilus> mind talking me through this from here? Plugged in, but don't know if it's recognized
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452[03:42:01] <nyov> just keep dmesg running while you plug in the drive. what it tells you then is the important stuff
453[03:42:17] <Nautilus> so unplug then replug?
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455[03:43:07] <Nautilus> dmesg running, unplugging
456[03:43:28] <Nautilus> USB disconnect. giving it a minute
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458[03:43:59] <Nautilus> plugged in, working on paste
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460[03:45:55] <Nautilus> nyov: pastebin.com/iMu78ZtX
461[03:46:28] <fuxxy> Im on mobile. I wanted to install a package from testing, so I followed a guide that essentially had me create duplicates of my repos in sources.list, and modify the added to say testing and the originals now say stable. I also added a file in apt.conf.d with the line "APT::Default-Release "stable";". Now when I run 'apt upgrade', a few packages have updates. Is this normal? Shouldnt the stable branch be the same as buster?
462[03:46:46] <nyov> Nautilus: looks like it couldn't find any partitions on the disk. is it supposed to have any?
463[03:46:59] <nyov> otherwise I guess that looks fine
464[03:47:01] <Nautilus> yea I was copying files from it yesterday
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467[03:48:21] <nyov> check it in gparted / fdisk / gdisk / whatever
468[03:48:21] <Nautilus> my brother gave me the drive, he said it was FAT32 but it didnt work on 2 windows boxes here but did work on my debian laptop. Not sure how to see about partitions
469[03:48:26] <Nautilus> ok
470[03:48:32] <nyov> maybe you need to reformat it
471[03:48:41] <nyov> is it flash?
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474[03:50:57] <Nautilus> no 500G 3.5"
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476[03:51:40] <Nautilus> fdisk needs the /dev/sdXx though? /dev/sdb: no medium found
477[03:52:30] <nyov> that doesn't sound good. /dev/sdb should be a valid device
478[03:52:48] <Nautilus> because dmesg shows it as sdb, right?
479[03:53:15] <nyov> this sounds like it finds the usb drive controller, but not the disk
480[03:53:36] <Nautilus> ah right
481[03:55:02] <Copenhagen_Bram> has anyone tried installing proprietary amd drivers on debian 10?
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484[03:55:42] <Copenhagen_Bram> I have this "amd-catalyst-15.9-linux-installer-15.201.1151-x86_64.zip", should I try using it?
485[03:55:57] <Nautilus> nyov: well thanks for your time
486[03:56:33] <nyov> Nautilus: I'd check the enclosure or disk. something looks broke
487[03:57:05] <nyov> if it doesn't work on windows boxes, and only some time on linux, that's weird
488[03:57:19] <Nautilus> yea, all seems to be connected well
489[03:57:47] <Nautilus> could there be something funky with the FAT32 format? I saw there's files >4G on it
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496[04:03:05] <nyov> it should be detected as a disk by fdisk no matter the files on it
497[04:03:11] <nyov> or even the partitions on it
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500[04:03:42] <Nautilus> i shutdown to check connections, all seem good, powering up again. what fdisk command do I want?
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505[04:04:53] <nyov> fdisk -l /dev/sdX should work
506[04:05:08] <Nautilus> ah the -l, ok
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511[04:07:39] <Nautilus> with /dev/sdb No medium found ... /dev/sdb1 No such file or directory :(
512[04:08:00] <Nautilus> sounds like drive went awol
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518[04:17:16] <martian67> what is the debian repo before packages go live into the main repositories?
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520[04:18:12] <nyov> "main repos"? the closest to that would be unstable. or experimental
521[04:18:15] <dvs> proposed updates?
522[04:18:20] <martian67> yes dvs
523[04:18:24] <nyov> ah
524[04:18:28] <martian67> i wanna pull a security update before it hits live
525[04:18:38] <martian67> because its very minor and i really dont want to wait until tommrow
526[04:18:41] <dvs> ??? sounds dangerous
527[04:18:45] <martian67> maybe
528[04:18:48] <martian67> but its my risk to take
529[04:19:31] <dvs> and that package may not be the one that makes it to the main repos
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531[04:19:40] <martian67> i am comfortable with that
532[04:19:53] <martian67> i accept both peices if things break :)
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551[04:37:39] <jim> martian67, I guess it's still called incoming, dunno where it is though
552[04:38:26] <martian67> found it
553[04:38:27] <martian67> thanks
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567[04:52:16] <bouncingaround> Testing out IRC bouncer. Thank you, Debian!
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631[05:48:45] <megatog> is amdgpu the default driver for supported gpus now?
632[05:49:09] <megatog> i had a conf file in xorg.conf.d to enable it but after deleting that file i'm still on amdgpu after a reboot
633[05:49:48] <megatog> i want to test aco but the default driver seems to be amdgpu for some reason
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647[06:06:53] <jsync> Hey there. I could really use some help setting up this apt mirror for my local network, if anybody has made one before.
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668[06:25:12] <annadane> jsync, perhaps just ask your question, or otherwise for general knowledge see man apt-mirror
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705[06:51:19] <jsync> I think I just panicked. I might be alright. 🙂
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763[07:26:31] <jsync> It's up. Woot!!
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777[07:39:22] <jsync> Agh! I installed default-mysql-server & there's not a configuration setup, nor instructions in Google search, not actually. What is this strange, new configureless password trick you're alluding to?
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790[07:46:25] <jsync> Wait. I found it. I have to execute mysql_secure_installation.
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792[07:47:10] <bouncingaround> You should always be doing that. Web hosts get hacked because they skipped that step.
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797[07:49:15] <jsync> That's a new thing, bouncingaround.
798[07:49:38] <bouncingaround> Nope, been around for years, unless you've never updated your installs.
799[07:49:41] <jsync> Typically, password is set at mysql install.
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801[07:51:09] <jsync> Now it's giving me "access denied for user root@localhost.
802[07:51:17] <jsync> 😕
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808[07:52:51] <bouncingaround> Are you sudoing it?
809[07:53:03] <bouncingaround> You may need to specify the password with -p
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813[07:54:01] <jsync> I followed these instructions: replaced-url
814[07:54:55] <bouncingaround> Sure seems like a terrible source of info
815[07:55:01] <jsync> Yeah, I have to go in under sudo. Cool, bouncingaround.
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870[08:44:03] <jsync> I think that Maria borked my database info. She didn't accept all that mysqldump said, not actually.
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877[08:47:39] <monkeystance> are snaps a debian thing or just an ubuntu thing?
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879[08:48:36] <tarzeau> monkeystance: ubuntu , and many just ignore/remove it
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881[08:48:43] <tarzeau> monkeystance: but they claim it works on any linux
882[08:49:14] <jm_> you can also use them with debian
883[08:49:23] <tarzeau> monkeystance: just like flatpak, and appimages
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888[08:51:57] <monkeystance> yeah I think fedora has something like that as well
889[08:52:13] <monkeystance> where dependencies are stored within their packages or something
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891[08:52:29] <monkeystance> someone in #fedora was trying to explain how their containers worked to me
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894[08:52:48] <tarzeau> the root cause for bugs/making debugging harder, and wasting resources
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897[08:53:12] <monkeystance> what is tarzeau
898[08:53:27] <tarzeau> monkeystance: the container software
899[08:53:32] <tarzeau> flatpak/appimage/snaps
900[08:54:05] <tarzeau> look at github issues of some projects, when they have snaps/flatpaks/appimages the issues is like +100% per containerformat
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903[08:54:59] <monkeystance> I get the appeal of sending out the same binary for everyone, regardless of distro
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905[08:55:38] <tarzeau> monkeystance: of what software?
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907[08:55:59] <tarzeau> did you test your same binary on everyones software release version and distro?
908[08:56:13] <monkeystance> no I just mean in general
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910[08:56:34] <monkeystance> the idea is that you send things out with their dependencies and everything containerized
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913[08:56:43] <tarzeau> there's no universal knife or hammer, ask your kitchen boss
914[08:57:11] <tarzeau> monkeystance: and cause endless pain for developers to debug and ask back to bad bug reporters
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916[08:57:54] <monkeystance> it's either that or ask users to compile things themselves and they can try to figure it out
917[08:57:55] <tarzeau> i can name you a bunch of projects that suffer it: cloudcompare, stacer, shotcut...
918[08:58:11] <tarzeau> monkeystance: or just make proper debian packages? is that not the best way?
919[08:58:26] <monkeystance> if you want to convert the world to debian, sure
920[08:58:44] <tarzeau> i don't want to do that, but since i use debian, when i miss a thing, i just add it :)
921[08:59:00] <monkeystance> you make debian packages?
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924[08:59:17] <tarzeau> yes, and i've got a CEO 2-3 pages summary if you want to learn?
925[08:59:58] <monkeystance> I feel like I should probably get some experience in slackware before I do something like that
926[09:00:11] <tarzeau> monkeystance: replaced-url
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928[09:00:51] <tarzeau> monkeystance: if you miss any software, i'll be glad looking into it and make a package
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932[09:02:48] <monkeystance> is this like the AUR?
933[09:03:02] <tarzeau> no, way more professional
934[09:03:25] <tarzeau> all non-debian distros care way less about specifying proper debian/copyright (licensing information on software)
935[09:03:35] <tarzeau> and also most of them don't properly package fonts (not built from sources)
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938[09:04:08] <tarzeau> but yeah packaging software (binary) is pretty much the same, solaris packages, deb, rpm...
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940[09:04:26] <tarzeau> you add meta data, build the source and get a source package/binary package
941[09:04:27] <monkeystance> is this the main reason debian isn't close to the bleeding edge?
942[09:04:41] <tarzeau> monkeystance: huh? how is debian not bleeding edge? sir, it is!
943[09:05:02] <tarzeau> monkeystance: replaced-url
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945[09:05:11] <Ruint-> it's a trap
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949[09:06:03] <monkeystance> tarzeau, how does that keep up compared to fedora?
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954[09:06:36] <Ruint> sorry
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956[09:06:42] <Ruint> meant to / that
957[09:06:45] <tarzeau> monkeystance: compare the page i posted to replaced-url
958[09:06:48] <monkeystance> (not that I'm using a debian based distro (please dont ask what im on) for the most up-to-date packages
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961[09:06:59] <tarzeau> monkeystance: debian sid has way more and way later software than fedora
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964[09:07:03] <oxek> will wireguard ever be available in buster?
965[09:07:20] <monkeystance> )
966[09:07:33] <Ruint> empty/ypo channel anyway
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968[09:08:05] <tarzeau> oxek: if you backport it to your local reprepro repo? or use fasttrack or someone does a bpo, sure
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972[09:08:57] <jelly> but those options are not "in buster", that's "for buster"
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975[09:09:21] <oxek> tarzeau: unfortunately I do not know how to backport things myself, nor what a fasttrack is
976[09:09:23] <jelly> oxek: in general no new software is added to a release.
977[09:09:29] <tarzeau> jelly: true. /me is gladly not running software from yesterday
978[09:09:32] <jelly> !fasttrack
979[09:09:32] <dpkg> it has been said that fasttrack is a repository that allows making “backports” of packages available to users of the stable distribution, if those packages cannot be maintained in testing and backported in the usual way. replaced-url
980[09:09:43] <jelly> !simple sid backport
981[09:09:43] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
982[09:10:00] <jm_> ,checkbackport wireguard
983[09:10:01] <judd> Backporting package wireguard in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12).
984[09:10:09] <jelly> oxek: ^ that's how you backport things. Now you know.
985[09:10:25] <jm_> looks doable then
986[09:10:27] <tarzeau> is very easy, i did it for my stable boxen
987[09:10:28] <oxek> noted, will take me some time to digest that though
988[09:10:36] <jm_> ,checkbackport wireguard-tools
989[09:10:38] <judd> Backporting package wireguard-tools in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12).
990[09:10:43] <jelly> jm_: the build works, haven't tested actual kernel module and userspace.
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992[09:10:48] <tarzeau> just change that dep to debhelper (>= 12) and echo 11 > debian/compat; debuild
993[09:10:53] <jelly> jm_: those come from the same source iirc.
994[09:10:56] <oxek> if it's that easy however, how come wireguard has not been backported yet? It is a very popular software.
995[09:10:57] <tarzeau> 11 not 12
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997[09:11:13] <jm_> jelly: yeah, wireguard is just a metapackage, so I checked the other one as well to be sure
998[09:11:15] <tarzeau> oxek: because nobody wants to do security fixes for it?
999[09:11:21] <jelly> tarzeau: judd is buggy, debhelper in buster already has that versioned Proviedes.
1000[09:11:28] <tarzeau> oxek: and it's called stable not for fun
1001[09:11:41] <tarzeau> jelly: ah, ok
1002[09:11:41] <Ruint> last time i used backports, after asking for help here i was told i was 'not running debian' because the backports had desanctified my testing install :(
1003[09:11:56] <Ruint> uh... this was when sarge was testing though? maybe things changed?
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1005[09:12:04] <tarzeau> Ruint: 10 years ago? OMG
1006[09:12:31] <jelly> Ruint: testing is typically not supported in here, and I don't think there used to be bpo back then.
1007[09:12:45] <jm_> oxek: apparently not very popular then, also it only got merged in upstream kernel very recently
1008[09:12:56] <tarzeau> oxek: ubuntu keeps updating packages in their lts/stable distro, and sometimes trivial/easy changes BREAK things badly, there's a great page about that, maybe i find it
1009[09:12:59] <Ruint> woody was -very- long in the tooth at the time
1010[09:13:24] <tarzeau> oxek: replaced-url
1011[09:13:36] <jelly> Ruint: some people use testing/unstable mixes, it's a way to work around breakages in both testing and unstable.
1012[09:13:47] <Ruint> backports are like a rash that forms when the current releases are showing old age
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1015[09:14:16] <Ruint> i can see why it would be atypical to be supported now the release cadence is better
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1017[09:14:37] <jelly> !debian-next
1018[09:14:37] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1019[09:15:13] <Ruint> splitting across ircnets is an interesting policy decision
1020[09:15:19] <jelly> !irc move
1021[09:15:19] <dpkg> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see replaced-url
1022[09:15:37] <jelly> Ruint: this channel is a leftover. ALL #debian* things moved.
1023[09:15:47] <Ruint> oh that makes sense
1024[09:15:55] <jm_> I had to start using freenode after oftc banned subnet of my VPS :)
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1026[09:16:14] <oxek> unfortunately OFTC blocks my IP
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1029[09:17:02] <jelly> oxek: if you register a nickserv account first, you can use that with CertFP auth to connect from known VPN ranges.
1030[09:18:19] <oxek> jelly: I am registered, and have CertFP, but at some point they started blocking IP addresses before it even gets to that stage
1031[09:18:36] <jelly> that sounds weird.
1032[09:18:38] <oxek> I sent an email to the ip blocklist provider they are using a few years ago, but nothing changed
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1036[09:20:30] <oxek> jelly: this is how my connection looks:
1037[09:20:32] <jelly> oxek: what's the nickserv user/nick? Maybe something's changed since
1038[09:20:33] <oxek> 08:18 -- irc: connecting to server irc.oftc.net/6697 (SSL)...
1039[09:20:35] <oxek> 08:19 =!= irc: timeout
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1042[09:21:05] <jsync> I found a page that suggests to restore a database using mysql> source /file/path/2dump.sql, though Mariadb rattles errors for each line.
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1045[09:21:37] <tagadaga> bonjour
1046[09:21:59] <jelly> oxek: and you're routing the traffic via PIA VPN as well like here?
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1048[09:22:22] <oxek> jelly: yes, but same thing happens with my home IP
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1052[09:23:06] <jelly> oxek: what does irc.oftc.net resolve to, you wouldn't have a leftover /etc/hosts entry?
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1054[09:23:14] <jsync> I haven't found definitive migration instructions for grafting old database dumps to Mariadb. 😕
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1056[09:24:05] <jelly> jsync: what kind of errors? Pastebin the first couple of screenfuls
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1058[09:24:38] <jelly> oxek: right now for me, replaced-url
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1060[09:25:03] <oxek> jelly: no leftover hosts entries
1061[09:25:06] <oxek> irc.oftc.net. 2076 IN CNAME irc.geo.oftc.net.
1062[09:25:08] <oxek> irc.geo.oftc.net. 2076 IN A 81.18.73.124
1063[09:25:10] <oxek> irc.geo.oftc.net. 2076 IN A 130.239.18.116
1064[09:25:12] <oxek> irc.geo.oftc.net. 2076 IN A 91.217.189.50
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1067[09:25:39] <oxek> really, 4 lines results in a kick?
1068[09:26:16] <jsync> jelly, there's an error 1046 (3D000) <each line of the file> No database selected.
1069[09:27:05] * jelly did say "pastebin" not "paste here"
1070[09:27:10] <jsync> Oh. There must be a command for selecting the mysql database first. 🤓
1071[09:27:20] <jelly> jsync: reading is HARD
1072[09:27:20] <oxek> jelly: thanks for trying to help, but I've kind of given up on OFTC. They are simply not friendly towards open internet.
1073[09:28:04] <jelly> mysql> use dbnamehere;
1074[09:28:19] <jelly> or do that as command line parameters
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1077[09:29:13] <jelly> oxek: those seem to be the same ipv4 address as here
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1079[09:30:17] <oxek> I think it's because OFTC does not support SASL.
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1081[09:30:57] <jelly> "timeout" for a connection is much different from sasl
1082[09:31:09] <jelly> and if you use certfp you're not using sasl
1083[09:31:27] <oxek> I mean they just use ip blocklists as a defense because they don't have SASL
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1085[09:31:52] <oxek> if they had SASL, they could identify malicious actors much earlier in the connection phase than when using CertFP (which comes much later)
1086[09:32:32] <oxek> but because they don't have then, and are possibly facing a lot of malicious actors, then they simply gave up and started blocking by IP
1087[09:32:45] <oxek> s/then/that/
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1089[09:34:47] <bouncingaround> SASL is useless. Trust me. I used to buy proxies.
1090[09:35:07] <bouncingaround> Only affects certain IPs, but most are accepted without a problem. Even a VPN IP worked on otfc.
1091[09:35:16] <oxek> bouncingaround: useless compared to what? /msg nickserv? certfp?
1092[09:35:29] <oxek> access lists?
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1095[09:36:08] <oxek> oftc supposedly allows Tor as well, so I'm surprised they block by IP
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1100[09:39:26] <jsync> jelly, I got it running. Thanks. I forgot to "use dbname;"
1101[09:40:03] <jsync> I'm flustered because this actually is years of work within these databases.
1102[09:40:14] <jsync> 😱
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1104[09:41:01] <jsync> Years of work in each of total 5gb of dbname.sql files.
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1106[09:41:52] <jsync> How do I get out of dbname? Command?
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1109[09:43:10] <jsync> I mean, after "use dbname;", how do I get back out?
1110[09:43:28] <Fox> back out from what ?
1111[09:44:32] <jsync> It says "MariaDB [dbname1]>". How do I get out of "[dbname1]"?
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1113[09:45:43] <Fox> you either exit the mariadb shell or change dbname with "use otherdb;"
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1115[09:46:34] <thms> Hi Hi!
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1122[09:48:42] <thms> So I rsync'd a very very old Debian 5.0 (i386) server on a Xen hypervisor running Debian 7 (amd64). I'm able to start it as a VM and it uses the host's kernel. What package do I need to install for iptable to work, on the VM ? I guess linux-image of Debian 7 ?
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1124[09:49:09] <jsync> Right, Fox. Thanks.
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1129[09:51:00] <jsync> Does the databasedump.sql file have user@localhost; info, or is that specific to the build?
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1134[09:53:02] <Fox> jsync: we don't know what's inside your sql dump, but if you only dumped "somedatbase" then it has no info on user's rights for that db
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1137[09:56:09] <jsync> Right, Fox. After I asked I felt like I asked that question. I need to chill. Thanks again.
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1142[09:58:20] <Fox> yaw
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1163[10:13:59] <g0d_shatter> got a build issue
1164[10:14:48] <g0d_shatter> I've got a failing compilation because the file I'm seeking to compile is pulling in other system files that are looking for <asm> versus <asm-generic>
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1218[11:00:22] <randompleb> How do I install vi on debian minimal? Debian minimal already provides vim-tiny but I do not need that. I need the original vi editor...
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1221[11:00:51] <colo-work> the "original" vi editor isn't there. if you want a clone that's close to the "original" vi, check out nvi.
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1223[11:01:20] <randompleb> colo-work: Alright, thanks.
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1225[11:01:56] <colo-work> maybe you're also happy enough to use busybox' vi
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1229[11:02:43] <f8e3> how to run a virtualbox image on buster now?
1230[11:03:00] <bouncingaround> Use VMWare.
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1232[11:03:18] <randompleb> colo-work: Thanks for the suggestion. nvi works perfectly.
1233[11:03:22] <f8e3> randompleb clone the offical repo and use checkinstall
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1236[11:03:28] <bouncingaround> just get the deb from virtualbox.org
1237[11:03:30] <colo-work> randompleb, you're welcome :)
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1240[11:04:10] <f8e3> bouncingaround no i wont break debian!
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1244[11:06:02] <randompleb> With systemd, do I need to add my user to the kvm group? Or does it handle this automatically?
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1248[11:08:11] <f8e3> why orcale... replaced-url
1249[11:08:12] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1257[11:11:36] <centrix> I imported and signed my friends PGP public key, but encryption fails with "gpg: error retrieving 'abc@email.com' via Local: Unusable public key"
1258[11:11:43] <centrix> Why?
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1260[11:13:00] <centrix> Additionally "gpg: error retrieving 'abc@email.com' via WKD: General error"
1261[11:15:17] <jelly> oxek: #oftc said <Myon> clicking the "request removal" button should still work [...] presumably on replaced-url
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1282[11:24:12] <itacos> hi all, did you know why live-build does not rebuild iso image after the first build ?
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1285[11:25:48] <oxek> jelly: yes, tried already, also tried emailing support@oftc.net a few times, and received unhelpful instructions saying that it's not their problem to solve and that I should contact dronebl
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1287[11:26:16] <oxek> and yes, I am very sure my home network is not infected with anything
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1289[11:26:30] <oxek> I am however also very sure that my home country is very much infected
1290[11:26:36] <oxek> (not china)
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1297[11:33:00] <cybbandit> Hello
1298[11:33:24] <bouncingaround> Install gentoo while you can before the CCP hacks your Debian install again.
1299[11:33:31] <jm_> f8e3: I converted my vbox VM to KVM
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1310[11:40:40] <cybbandit> hey
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1313[11:43:02] <jelly> oxek: also, these CGNAT days you may be shareing your home ip with other customers
1314[11:43:19] <cybbandit> Yeah
1315[11:43:20] <jelly> oxek: my solution is a 2€ VPS and znc
1316[11:43:34] <cybbandit> what's vps?
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1318[11:43:59] <cybbandit> fuck
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1322[11:44:39] <cybbandi1> hello
1323[11:44:45] <jelly> it's largerly a marketing term for both container based and full-virtualization based machines
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1325[11:44:55] <cybbandit> Oh
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1327[11:45:10] <cybbandit> How come you take my name cybbandi1
1328[11:45:30] <cybbandi1> Who says its your name bud?
1329[11:45:30] <jelly> cybbandit: you have two irc clients running.
1330[11:45:38] <cybbandit> No
1331[11:45:44] <jelly> I suggest cutting it out before both are banned.
1332[11:45:55] <cybbandit> No i dont have 2
1333[11:46:00] <cybbandit> I am just running this
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1343[11:48:04] <oxek> jelly: a VPS sounds interesting, but not something I'd get just for IRC on OFTC. If I find other uses for it, then maybe.
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1345[11:49:03] <oxek> however, a VPS would still share the IP range of the VPS provider, no? So if anyone else using the same VPS provider does bad stuff, OFTC (and everyone else using blacklists) would ban everyone, no?
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1347[11:49:55] <cyberbandit> Come on man
1348[11:49:56] <jelly> oxek: it depends.
1349[11:50:03] <cyberbandit> I only had one account
1350[11:50:07] <jm_> oxek: that's what happened to me with OFTC and VPS
1351[11:50:10] <cyberbandit> That's the other guy
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1359[11:51:36] <hellrider> Hi
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1362[11:52:02] <petn-randall> hi hellrider
1363[11:52:29] <hellrider> #flood
1364[11:53:26] <jelly> sorry, not many volunteeds in here actually join and see #flood any more
1365[11:53:29] <oxek> jelly: thanks again for trying to help, but I don't think there's much else to be done until OFTC changes their policy. In the meantime, I am happy that debian has a channel on freenode.
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1371[11:54:18] <jelly> nod
1372[11:54:33] <hellrider> I just upgraded my linux system
1373[11:54:41] <hellrider> Now it shows me blank screen
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1376[11:54:47] <hellrider> What should I do?
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1378[11:57:13] <oxek> hellrider: give us more info about your situation and someone might be able to help
1379[11:57:39] <jelly> !ask
1380[11:57:39] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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1384[11:58:12] <jelly> hellrider: can you log in remotely from a different system on the same network, if you have openssh-server installed?
1385[11:58:26] <hellrider> I can
1386[11:58:33] <hellrider> Then What?
1387[11:58:57] <hellrider> jelly I di
1388[11:59:00] <hellrider> did
1389[11:59:00] <jelly> hellrider: which debian release is this, and which DE if any, are you using?
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1391[11:59:36] <hellrider> version = 5.3.9-1kali1
1392[11:59:45] <joepublic> !enter
1393[11:59:46] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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1395[12:02:02] <hellrider> jelly
1396[12:02:07] <hellrider> You there??
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1399[12:03:14] <jm_> !kali
1400[12:03:14] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
1401[12:03:17] <jm_> try asking there
1402[12:03:41] <hellrider> Okay
1403[12:03:46] <hellrider> !debian
1404[12:03:46] <dpkg> [debian] replaced-url
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1410[12:07:41] <hellrider> thank you
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1437[12:24:16] <HeXiLeD> Unable to load dynamic library 'mysqli' replaced-url
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1442[12:27:49] <jm_> is that in stable?
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1444[12:29:40] <tinyhippo> HeXiLeD: it exists, but did you read the error properly?
1445[12:29:45] <tinyhippo> undefined symbol: mysqlnd_global_stats
1446[12:30:06] <jm_> one post says the order of mysql libs in /etc/php.ini matters
1447[12:30:11] <jm_> check that I guess
1448[12:30:12] <tinyhippo> you're missing a dependency, or the version of mysqli you have is broken and missing the function mysqlnd_global_stats
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1452[12:30:47] <Fox> or you should mysqlnd.so before mysqli.so
1453[12:30:54] <jm_> indeed
1454[12:31:04] <Fox> s/should/should load/
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1460[12:35:54] <velix> Anyone using Nutanix? Does it really have no guest tools für Debian?
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1462[12:36:09] <us01> one time
1463[12:36:12] <us01> i installed debian
1464[12:36:21] <us01> and it had a virus from eth0 cable
1465[12:36:25] <us01> before i could even log in
1466[12:36:30] <us01> and i couldnt login;
1467[12:36:39] <us01> shit gets hacked right out the sky;
1468[12:37:00] <Fox> are you on lsd ?
1469[12:37:01] <us01> debian gnome/gdesklets;
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1471[12:37:07] <us01> would be the phatter;
1472[12:37:12] <us01> or gentoo maybe
1473[12:37:13] <us01> dunno
1474[12:37:20] <us01> gentoo a little complex;
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1476[12:37:31] <us01> knoppix flavoring;
1477[12:37:33] <us01> hm.
1478[12:37:42] <us01> knoppix like
1479[12:37:50] <us01> busybox 2mb floppy;
1480[12:37:52] <us01> firewall;
1481[12:37:57] <us01> blackbox rxvt;
1482[12:37:58] <us01> hm.
1483[12:38:00] <us01> interesting
1484[12:38:10] <us01> i dont mess with linux much
1485[12:38:14] <us01> im a xp kid;
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1491[12:39:05] <HeXiLeD> Fox: i tried mysqlnd.so before mysqli.so and the same issue exists
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1493[12:40:56] <jm_> velix: it has a script to install NGT, why would it need to be debian specific?
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1495[12:41:29] <velix> A client told me, they're using Nutanix and there would be no Debian support.
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1497[12:41:43] <velix> Maybe they need certificated or official packages.
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1501[12:42:17] <velix> Google says: "FYI, only Debian 8.5, 9.4 and 9.5 are supported on certain AOS versions. Debian 8.6 isn't supported. I hope this has been helpful in answering your questions. "
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1505[12:42:41] <velix> Oh, it's Python based?
1506[12:42:50] <velix> Doesn't there need to be a kernel module?
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1510[12:43:41] <jm_> it must be because I know on centos it triggers a rebuild of initrd
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1512[12:45:11] <jm_> let me see if I can quickly fire up a debian based vm
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1515[12:47:26] <velix> jm_: Internet nearly has no information about Nutanix
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1523[12:51:42] <jm_> velix: I'm installing 9.4 amd64 now
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1525[12:52:04] <velix> jm_: But I'm on 10
1526[12:52:15] <jm_> velix: yeah I only had 9.x image, will upgrade when it's done
1527[12:52:26] <velix> oh okay okay
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1534[12:57:06] <PsynoKhi0> is there any difference between running parted from a livecd/debian recovery vs from the live OS to resize a root partition? (besides skipping a possible swapoff)
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1537[12:59:11] <jm_> PsynoKhi0: in some cases kernel will not re-read partition table if things are mounted, it's less error prone with the first method
1538[12:59:51] <PsynoKhi0> jm_: ok thank you
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1558[13:15:03] <jm_> velix: ngt installer indeed says unsupported distribution debian :)
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1599[13:47:04] <velix> jm_: Great.
1600[13:47:06] <velix> Thanks for your information.
1601[13:47:12] <velix> I hate such unknown Linuxes
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1603[13:47:55] <Haohmaru> ULOs - unidentified linux objects
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1614[13:56:15] <f8e3> im afraid to plugin a sdcard into my computer card reader, can it hide (like in flash/usb controllers) some other device underneath or is it plain old filestorage that does nothing unless i click a file on the drive?
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1621[14:02:27] <f8e3> jm_ via qemu-img convert ?
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1623[14:02:57] <jelly> velix: isn't nutanix esxi-based?
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1626[14:04:18] <velix> jelly: really no idea. never heard of it
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1636[14:08:27] <kallenp> Hello. I have broken APT. Any idea, howto repair / fix this ? replaced-url
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1641[14:10:37] <ksk> kallenp: do you know -what- you did? seems like python is borken. you could try putting the right files in the right place manually if you know what you are doing.
1642[14:10:40] <ksk> if not, reinstall..
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1645[14:11:21] <kallenp> Sorry. Problem solved now. Problem was python version. When I switch from python 3 to python 2.7
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1675[14:31:52] <f8e3> how to disable automount pluggable devices usb etc on deb10?
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1685[14:37:39] <nulleip> f8e3: I believe the file manager is doing that... look for settings of the one you have
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1758[15:29:25] <Ede|Popede> f8e3, as for the usb card: there are wifi devices which are a thumb drive initially with the windows drivers on them, you plug them in, they autostart the installer, you reboot (i guess, but after all it is windows) and then it is a wifi card. and then it is also possible to have say keyloggers report themselves as storage device and what not. iirc this was demonstrated by some greyhats, at some CCC congress or similar some years ago. but as usual,
1759[15:29:25] <Ede|Popede> the sources where your hardware comes from should be trustworthy at least to some degree.
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1763[15:32:14] <dym> Hey all! Im using Debian 10 with GNOME 3.30.2. Im trying to establish a protocol handler for ssh:// to use with keepassxc. Any pointers on how to go about doing that?
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1777[15:40:14] <fdebia> Hi I want to download a software like rufus to create bootable devices
1778[15:40:47] <fdebia> what is the sugested software I tried varios like multiboot and Easy2Boot and they are not working
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1782[15:41:31] <fdebia> unetbootin also not working
1783[15:43:33] <tinyhippo> etcher ?
1784[15:43:42] <tinyhippo> balena.io/etcher
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1786[15:44:56] <fdebia> tinyhippo will try it
1787[15:45:38] <themill> fdebia: what are you actually trying to achieve?
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1790[15:47:01] <fdebia> Install new debian
1791[15:47:13] <fdebia> themill
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1793[15:47:37] <themill> There is no need to do anything to the debian installer image other than copy it to the device
1794[15:47:53] <fdebia> I have a pendrive and iso image
1795[15:47:59] <fdebia> what should I do ?
1796[15:48:09] <themill> What OS are you currently using?
1797[15:48:17] <fdebia> debian 9
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1799[15:48:54] <themill> "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX" is enough to copy it to the device
1800[15:49:24] <fdebia> So iso will detect on startup ?
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1804[15:51:13] <Ede|Popede> the iso if fully bootable, so it behaves like a good old boot floppy when written directly to the device
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1806[15:51:57] <Ede|Popede> but remember, you would lose the already existing filesystem including the files it holds from the stick, so back it up, should it not be empty
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1808[15:52:40] <fdebia> Ede|Popede I have serious porbem now my old sttick still have 9.2 and my deboan unable to format the usb stick
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1812[15:53:33] <Ede|Popede> fdebia, are you running from hdd now or is this that 9.2 from the stick?
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1814[15:54:00] <fdebia> I have debian on hdd and also stick
1815[15:54:05] <fdebia> I am using from hdd
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1817[15:54:43] <Ede|Popede> good, so you don't have to rely on that stick to have a working system. means you can put the ISOs to the hdd and cp them to the stick as needed.
1818[15:54:44] <fdebia> USB stick have debian 9.2 booted using rufus or something and it was many years back
1819[15:54:52] <fdebia> dont even remember how it got
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1823[15:56:02] <Ede|Popede> as themill said, cp the iso to the stick (you also could use dd, up to you), reboot, select it in the boot manager if necessary. should be all.
1824[15:56:25] <fdebia> When I try to delete files in usb it says it contain partition table
1825[15:56:54] <fdebia> Ede|Popede Iwill copy to the stick once I delete the old files
1826[15:57:02] <fdebia> it is 4 gb disk and filled with 9.2
1827[15:57:13] <fdebia> and unable to delete them with above error
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1829[15:58:26] <Ede|Popede> fdebia: why delete? if you just want to replace the old iso with the new one on the stick, simply throw it over it.
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1831[15:59:40] <jelly> fdebia: do not delete files, do not touch current content, umount the stick and then cp the iso image over the whole device
1832[15:59:40] <fdebia> Ede|Popede it becae=me unreadable couldnt formt even with partition devices
1833[15:59:48] <jelly> no need to format anything
1834[15:59:51] <Ede|Popede> my 9.x reports an mbr with a partition #2 entry of type EF00 names EFI System or as GTP type 0700 named ISOHybrid1, while `file -s` on the device reports a DOS/BMR boot sector
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1836[16:00:43] <Ede|Popede> fdebia: you need exactly one command, and that's cp. nothing more. not before and not after it. though yes, you may want to umount it.
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1838[16:00:57] <jelly> s/may/need/
1839[16:01:31] <fdebia> Ede|Popede cp isnt working as stick is unreadable now
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1841[16:01:55] <Ede|Popede> define: "unreadable".
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1847[16:03:49] <fdebia> Ede|Popede even root got no permision to copy or delete the usb stoick
1848[16:03:58] <Ede|Popede> ouch?
1849[16:04:18] <Ede|Popede> write protection maybe? not sure if such a thing exists for them
1850[16:04:40] <Ede|Popede> or maybe my sticks are too cheap to offer such luxury
1851[16:04:54] <greycat> An unwritable USB stick often indicates that the device is dying. Get your data off of it ASAP. Unreadable may indicate that you're too late -- it's dead.
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1853[16:05:20] <fdebia> I dont mind if it dies after I install debian
1854[16:05:31] <fdebia> I am using it only to install
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1856[16:05:42] <fdebia> I need a way to write to it now
1857[16:05:46] <Ede|Popede> and if *that*'s the case get a new one. really. they cost you less than a meal, smaller ones less than a drink in a pub.
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1859[16:06:19] <Ede|Popede> i bought a 128GB for 10 euros some time ago. not because i'd need it, but just for the price.
1860[16:06:22] <fdebia> Ede|Popede can so that for sure but I need to wait a day or need to go to shop
1861[16:06:24] <fdebia> :(
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1863[16:06:44] <fdebia> Thank you Ede|Popede I will go to shop now
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1865[16:06:54] <Ede|Popede> support your local dealer :)
1866[16:07:03] <Ede|Popede> err... shop. you know.
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1874[16:15:06] <eldereko> does passwd -l disable only password login, ie. can you still ssh with key, or disable login completely?
1875[16:15:36] <greycat> I *suspect* key auth will still work, but I haven't tested it.
1876[16:16:36] <jelly> eldereko: key auth works. You need to expire the account with chage
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1878[16:17:02] <jelly> passwd -l coworker; chage -E0 coworker
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1881[16:17:42] <eldereko> i still want to be able to login via ssh key but not locally... so expiring disables *all* login and lock just local, is that correct?
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1885[16:18:02] <jelly> oh, if you actually want that, then ok
1886[16:18:04] <greycat> lock disables the password, not the account
1887[16:18:31] <eldereko> ok perfect, thanks!
1888[16:18:50] <jelly> one man's bug is another's feature
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1903[16:28:14] <hellrider> hey
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1912[16:33:37] <annadane> do people use anything for word processing that's more featureful/more visually appealing than say, mousepad, but not all the bells and whistles like libreoffice-writer?
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1922[16:37:09] <annadane> not that i have anything especially against libreoffice but i just wondered generally
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1927[16:38:38] <testingpepe> hi all
1928[16:39:23] <ximpr> Hi, doing a quick test in Firefox, I saw that my DNS resolver does not seem to validate DNSSEC signatures. Is this a problem of my Firefox or of my underlying Debian OS?
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1931[16:39:59] <greycat> I should think it's a feature/issue of your DNS resolver.
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1933[16:40:12] <ximpr> greycat: And where is that DNS resolver situated?
1934[16:40:32] <greycat> You tell me. It's your network... what does your /etc/resolv.conf file say your nameservers are?
1935[16:40:49] <jelly> ximpr: those nameserver lines reference your dns resolvers.
1936[16:41:18] <ximpr> Ah okay, so my resolver is my router
1937[16:41:40] <greycat> If it's a consumer-grade router, it probably forwards the DNS requests to somewhere else, e.g. your ISP's resolvers.
1938[16:41:54] <greycat> If you can get into the router's config screen(s), it should tell you.
1939[16:41:57] <ximpr> it does that, I saw that via dig +trace
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1942[16:42:48] <greycat> If you already know enough to use dig +trace, you might consider setting up your own DNS resolver and using that.
1943[16:43:01] <ximpr> Is there a way for me to
1944[16:43:14] <ximpr> sry didnt mean to press enter
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1946[16:43:48] <ximpr> I am not sure I understand how the process works.
1947[16:44:14] <iLLf8d> hi all, been a while. I was trying to recall which of the bots and bot commands had the debian tips?
1948[16:44:22] <ximpr> I thought that when I enter a domain name in firefox, basically firefox would perform a DNS request with DNSSEC enabled
1949[16:44:45] <ximpr> to my router as DNS resolver
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1951[16:45:01] <greycat> Select some DNS software (bind9 or whatever you prefer) and set it up to run on your Debian system and answer recursive queries from your LAN. Then point resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1 to use it, etc. Or, point your router to forward requests to your Debian system.
1952[16:45:03] <jelly> ximpr: router firmware typically does not do dns well.
1953[16:45:47] <ximpr> Ok, I will try to do that greycat
1954[16:45:49] <greycat> iLLf8d: what kind of tips do you want?
1955[16:46:08] <jelly> ximpr: unbound might be a little bit more lean than bind9
1956[16:46:08] <ximpr> jelly: Ok :)
1957[16:46:23] <testingpepe> i need some tips
1958[16:46:27] <greycat> everything is more lean than bind9
1959[16:46:37] <iLLf8d> oh iirc it'd tell you about sources lists, kernel versions, had some kernel build tips, tbh I forget which goodies it had or how to list what dpkg knew? seems dpkg has a lot of commands
1960[16:46:45] <jelly> !irc bots
1961[16:46:54] <jelly> dammit
1962[16:46:56] <greycat> iLLf8d: dpkg has LOTS of factoids, and judd knows versions of things
1963[16:47:21] <iLLf8d> thx =)
1964[16:47:36] <xaaa> any idea why postfix does not log anything besides it starting up?
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1966[16:47:45] <tinyhippo> xaaa: which log file?
1967[16:47:45] <annadane> it's !ircbot
1968[16:47:48] <xaaa> how to debug why postfix logs/debug are not written
1969[16:47:52] <testingpepe> i have my new laptop Thinkpad X1 extreme gen 2......and have a lot of problems to setup all the hardware.......i already repair almost everithing, suspend and hibernate, wifi, power meter, and a lot of missbehave
1970[16:48:01] <annadane> or... not? hm
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1972[16:48:02] <testingpepe> but cant get the HDMI working
1973[16:48:13] <xaaa> tinyhippo: well it stopped creating /var/log/*mail* years ago and now uses systemd journald I think. There I see only the start/stop
1974[16:48:34] <tinyhippo> then that is my knowledge exhausted
1975[16:48:35] <testingpepe> not whit nvidia nor whit intel
1976[16:48:36] <jelly> xaaa: your syslog service is not running?
1977[16:48:38] <tinyhippo> I last used postfix years aho
1978[16:49:06] <xaaa> jelly: it still does log start/stop, so it must be?
1979[16:49:24] <greycat> xaaa: what does "systemctl status rsyslog" say?
1980[16:49:51] <ximpr> Just one last question to make sure I understand this right: Firefox always *tries* to use DNSSEC when it performs a DNS lookup for a domain name, but in some case (as in mine) DNSSEC will not be used because the DNS resolver (in my case either the router or its configured DNS resolver with my ISP) does not support DNSSEC. Is that correct?
1981[16:50:15] <jelly> xaaa: check whether either rsyslog or syslog-ng is installed and running; then check for existence of /etc/rsyslog.d/postfix.conf and lines referencing "mail.log" in /etc/rsyslog.conf, if rsyslog
1982[16:50:25] <ximpr> Hence I will use an own DNS resolver by installing bind9 or unbound
1983[16:50:39] <jelly> xaaa: then check output of "postconf -n" for custom postfix config
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1985[16:51:40] <martian67> ximpr: firefox is not what is doing DNS lookups ultimately
1986[16:51:48] <jelly> testingpepe: if it's a really new model you'll have issues with hw support. Might want to see if debian testing works any better
1987[16:51:52] <martian67> except in special cases like dns over https shit
1988[16:51:58] <jelly> testingpepe: or use a different distro
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1992[16:53:30] <ximpr> martian67: Is Firefox calling an OS function to do that?
1993[16:53:43] <martian67> yes, libc resolver
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1996[16:54:24] <testingpepe> jelly yes i try testing but have a lot of random hangs, so i get back to buster and patch modules for hardware like wifi.....the only thing I cant get working was HDMI
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2007[16:59:41] <iLLf8d> I haven't ran debian in quite some time. Last kernel I ran was probably a 2.4.x & 2.6.x; maybe debian sarge or sid I forget tbh. Can anyone recommend a Debian refresher page or quick ref?
2008[16:59:45] <jelly> testingpepe: eh. Maybe using a backport kernel will be better.
2009[16:59:51] <jelly> !bpo kernel
2010[16:59:51] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the <buster-backports> repository. After modifying your sources.list, run «apt update». To install the current backported kernel: «apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
2011[16:59:56] <jelly> ,kernels
2012[16:59:57] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.5.0-rc5-686 (5.5~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 5.4.0-3-686 (5.4.13-1); bullseye: 5.4.0-3-686 (5.4.13-1); buster-backports: 5.4.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.4.8-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-6-686 (4.19.67-2+deb10u2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2+deb10u2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae
2013[16:59:58] <judd> (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2~deb8u1)
2014[17:00:08] <jelly> there's 5.4.8, who knows
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2017[17:01:09] <testingpepe> yeah, i tried 5.4 whit testing dont test the hdmi for the hangs.......maybe i do that, install backport kernel and test it
2018[17:01:40] <greycat> iLLf8d: I don't think there's any page that will sum up 10 years of changes
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2020[17:02:08] <greycat> (15 years if it was really sarge)
2021[17:02:16] <fdebia> hi I got a new usd disk and copied iso file and then it is not booting from usb
2022[17:02:31] <fdebia> usb*
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2024[17:02:48] <fdebia> i forgot the nick of the user who helped me before
2025[17:02:52] <greycat> fdebia: what file did you copy, and *how* did you copy it?
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2027[17:02:56] <mason> fdebia: It's possible the new USB stick is bad. It's possible the image you have is bad - check checksums.
2028[17:03:06] <fdebia> cp an /device/mymedia
2029[17:03:17] <greycat> what filename, and what device name?
2030[17:03:21] <mason> fdebia: mymedia sounds suspicious
2031[17:03:31] <fdebia> cp debaon_file /device/mymedia/
2032[17:03:34] <fdebia> coped as same
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2034[17:03:40] <fdebia> copied*
2035[17:03:43] <greycat> is /device/mymedia/ a mount point? if so, that's the issue.
2036[17:03:44] <ximpr> you should use dd to copy the file, like dd if=/path/to/img of=/dev/mymedia bs=64k status=progress
2037[17:03:54] <ksk> cp is just fine.
2038[17:03:57] <mason> fdebia: Kind of sounds like you copied an ISO into a DOS partition on a USB, at a guess.
2039[17:04:11] <greycat> you can use cp instead of dd, but the destination has to be an actual DEVICE, not a mount point, and the USB stick should NOT be mounted
2040[17:04:14] <fdebia> mason yes i just copied iso to usb
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2044[17:04:26] <mason> fdebia: stick in the USB stick, and sudo dmesg | tail
2045[17:04:34] <mason> fdebia: That'll tell you what device to use
2046[17:04:42] <greycat> cp debian-9.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb # for example
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2048[17:04:48] <mason> fdebia: I'm guessing you automounted a DOS partition that came on the USB device
2049[17:05:00] <mason> fdebia: DON'T BLINDLY COPY TO SDB
2050[17:05:20] <mason> Naughty greycat.
2051[17:05:21] <greycat> Yes. Do make sure you use the CORRECT device name for your system.
2052[17:05:28] <greycat> I'm not naughty. It was an example.
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2055[17:05:47] <mason> Well. Alright. This time. But anyway, dmesg is a good way to see what device just showed up, fdebia.
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2057[17:05:50] <fdebia> greycat I did same and is ther something I need to do ?
2058[17:05:51] <greycat> The point is that it's a device, not a mount directory; and that it's a WHOLE DISK device, not a partition device.
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2060[17:06:07] <greycat> e.g. NOT /dev/sdb1
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2065[17:07:37] <mason> fdebia: An example: plug in the stick, and: dmesg | grep "Attached SCSI removable disk" | tail -1
2066[17:07:38] <fdebia> some problem with my freenode
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2069[17:08:00] <mason> For me, that comes back with "[2029232.371312] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdf] Attached SCSI removable disk" so what I copy to would be sdf.
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2071[17:08:33] <fdebia> sorry I will read every message as I missed some messages
2072[17:08:39] <fdebia> one min please
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2075[17:09:17] <fdebia> sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
2076[17:09:21] <fdebia> is the output
2077[17:09:40] <greycat> so for you, it's /dev/sdb
2078[17:09:46] <mason> Heh. So, greycat's example was prescient then. :)
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2081[17:10:17] <greycat> sdb will be the most common case, but it's *definitely* not safe to just assume
2082[17:11:01] <mason> I have to remember that single-disk systems are fairly common and that my insistence on multiple disks everywhere is paranoia.
2083[17:11:26] <openbsdtai123> WHATSAPP TEXT CHAT: hello is there something else than bitlbee for the terminal?
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2085[17:12:44] <mason> openbsdtai123: znc is popular
2086[17:13:09] <openbsdtai123> znc is terminal?
2087[17:13:21] <mason> It's a bouncer.
2088[17:14:00] <fdebia> cp: cannot create regular file '/dev/sdb': Permission denied
2089[17:14:07] <fdebia> I get it now
2090[17:14:11] <mason> fdebia: as root, or with sudo
2091[17:14:27] <mason> fdebia: And it can't hurt to verify the checksum of the image you got.
2092[17:14:27] <greycat> and make sure /deb/sdb isn't mounted anywhere at the time
2093[17:14:34] <greycat> or /dev/sdb either
2094[17:14:37] <fdebia> mason ok and I verfied it
2095[17:14:41] <fdebia> its fine
2096[17:15:37] <fdebia> ts working with root
2097[17:15:46] <openbsdtai123> On Linux, "sudo su" will give your root power to use /dev/*
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2099[17:15:58] <greycat> !sudo su
2100[17:15:58] <dpkg> Typing "sudo su" is like typing "cat file | cat". If you want a non-login shell as root, just use "sudo -s". If you want a login shell, "sudo -i". There's no need to run two different superuser-elevation programs chained back to back.
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2102[17:16:38] <fdebia> I just removed my user from sudoers list and desptroyed many system files as I decided to format
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2104[17:16:46] <openbsdtai123> Me, I never recommend to install "sudo". Sudo usage is for early beginners.
2105[17:17:34] <fdebia> So it is taking time to copy once it is done if I reboot will it be able to boot?
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2107[17:17:52] <mason> fdebia: Should be able to. After your copy command comes back, run 'sync' once or twice.
2108[17:17:54] <greycat> while you're waiting, you might read the release notes, so you know what to expect
2109[17:17:58] <greycat> !release notes
2110[17:17:58] <dpkg> The release notes for Debian 10 "Buster" are at replaced-url
2111[17:18:08] <greycat> !buster install guide
2112[17:18:08] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at replaced-url
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2114[17:18:17] <fdebia> greycat ok sure
2115[17:18:21] <mason> fdebia: Sometimes the command will return but the copy won't actually have finished transferring everything to the stick, hence 'sync'
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2118[17:18:55] <fdebia> also debin forces to use wifi or connect to ineternet when installing from dvd(my experinece from 7-9)
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2120[17:19:07] <fdebia> I dont understand why that werid thing
2121[17:19:14] <greycat> Ethernet will definitely work, if your eth interface is supported.
2122[17:19:24] <fdebia> mason ok
2123[17:19:49] <fdebia> greycat what if I dont have ethernet and wifi both?
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2125[17:20:06] <greycat> Then you won't be able to install any security updates, or download any packages that aren't on your installation medium.
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2127[17:20:56] <fdebia> greycat thats fine but anyway thats years back may be I missed something
2128[17:21:05] <fdebia> I need to reboot
2129[17:21:13] <fdebia> I will be back Thank you all for the support
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2132[17:21:35] <HeXiLeD> any idea what package contains base64 package required for http authentication. thought it was coreutils but it is not
2133[17:21:46] <greycat> ,file bin/base64
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2135[17:21:51] <judd> Search for bin/base64 in buster/amd64: coreutils: usr/bin/base64
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2137[17:22:16] <greycat> there are other ways to do base64 as well, probably including openssl
2138[17:22:43] <greycat> or uuencode -m
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2141[17:24:06] <jelly> HeXiLeD: let curl or whatnot do http basic auth for you.
2142[17:24:33] <greycat> !xy
2143[17:24:33] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
2144[17:24:39] <HeXiLeD> cant. this is part of another thing
2145[17:24:52] <jelly> what is the other thing written in?
2146[17:25:02] <greycat> It sounds like a SHITTY shell script that's hard-coding a path to base64 that happens to be wrong.
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2148[17:25:16] <HeXiLeD> it's ok. thanks for the attention
2149[17:25:19] <jelly> almost all languages have base64 en/decoding funcitons
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2152[17:25:50] <greycat> And when pressed for details, they run away, confirming that all of our worst guesses were naively optimistic. It's SO much worse.
2153[17:26:04] <jelly> greycat: tbh I have not seen a nonshitty nontrivial script in a while
2154[17:26:10] <greycat> fair.
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2159[17:29:44] <mason> Correctness probably demands that scripts that need to be non-trivial be composed of trivial components.
2160[17:30:46] <hellrider> Any good udemy course to learn linux proficiently?
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2163[17:31:52] <Xatenev_> !book
2164[17:31:52] <dpkg> For documentation and books on Debian, see replaced-url
2165[17:32:00] <Xatenev_> !debian-handbook
2166[17:32:00] <dpkg> The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at replaced-url
2167[17:32:16] <Xatenev_> thank you dpkg
2168[17:32:33] <mason> hellrider: My favourite recommendation for this is replaced-url
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2175[17:34:42] <joshuaBPMan> Hello debian. I am trying to configure nginx to use https, and I guess I am getting really annoyed. I have no idea what is going wrong, but when I try to redirect traffic to https, everything seems to crash.
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2177[17:34:52] <hellrider> Thank you
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2179[17:35:24] <joshuaBPMan> by crash, I mean, when I try to look at the website, it does not load.
2180[17:35:41] <joshuaBPMan> Icecat, eventually tells me that the webpage is taking too long to load.
2181[17:35:49] <joshuaBPMan> "the connection has timed out."
2182[17:37:08] <greycat> First step would be to look for errors in your nginx logs.
2183[17:37:33] <Haohmaru> en jinkz
2184[17:37:41] <greycat> Or, review your config file changes against the instructions and make sure you got it right.
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2186[17:39:52] <joshuaBPMan> greycat: thanks. I am honestly tempted to uninstall nginx. delete the nginx configuration files, and start over...I wonder if certbot has just messed up (or I) have messed up my config files too much.
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2188[17:40:22] <greycat> I don't do the auto-forwarding from http to https. I simply allow the user to choose either one.
2189[17:40:41] <jhutchins_wk> joshuaBPMan: Are you using letsencrypt?
2190[17:40:44] <joshuaBPMan> greycat: may I ask why you do not forward them to https?
2191[17:40:49] <joshuaBPMan> jhutchins: trying to.
2192[17:40:59] <jelly> it is usually worth to understand each of the changes done to a config file instead of implementing them blindly
2193[17:41:00] <greycat> I don't want to lock out users who are stuck with HTTP for whatever reason.
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2195[17:41:18] <Haohmaru> democraticcat
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2197[17:41:44] <jelly> joshuaBPMan: so: first implement https. Then verify sites on replaced-url
2198[17:42:10] <joshuaBPMan> I had re-directs and https working for 3+ really simple sites. But not when I try to use https on any of the sites that I am messing with, I get "connection timed out errors". I am only serving simple static sites. Each site only has one page.
2199[17:42:28] <joshuaBPMan> jelly: thanks. I might take greycat's advice and not do redirects either.
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2202[17:42:37] <jelly> joshuaBPMan: so... does accessing replaced-url
2203[17:42:54] <joshuaBPMan> jelly: replaced-url
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2207[17:43:07] <jelly> if it does not, then your problem isn't (just) redirection
2208[17:43:11] <joshuaBPMan> you'll get a "connection timed out error."
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2210[17:43:22] <joshuaBPMan> hmmm. I wonder what the issue is then.
2211[17:44:25] <hellrider> Hey jelly
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2213[17:44:36] <hellrider> how do I learn linux proficiently??
2214[17:44:41] <jelly> joshuaBPMan: who knows. Read the logs. See where accesses end up. Might be accidentally configuring a listener on port 443 without ssl, for example. Might be something else.
2215[17:45:18] <hellrider> Jelly
2216[17:45:59] <jelly> hellrider: take a couple classes for Linux, a class for general introduction to Operating Systems and experiment independently a lot?
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2218[17:46:13] <greycat> Track down that pie3 person who keeps coming in here (and elsewhere) asking for classes that will help them make money.
2219[17:46:20] <joshuaBPMan> I may have just found the problem...
2220[17:46:29] <hellrider> jelly: any specific?
2221[17:46:35] <jelly> nope, sorry
2222[17:46:36] <joshuaBPMan> ufw status shows 443 DENY Anywhere
2223[17:46:41] <hellrider> You wanna recommend any?
2224[17:46:47] <greycat> joshuaBPMan: heh.
2225[17:47:29] <joshuaBPMan> greycat: thanks a million. wow.
2226[17:47:34] <joshuaBPMan> that was very silly of me.
2227[17:47:47] <jelly> joshuaBPMan: test that with "telnet gnucode.me 443" (next time)
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2230[17:48:04] <joshuaBPMan> ok thanks.
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2232[17:48:38] <joshuaBPMan> I didn't know that I could telnet to a server.
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2237[17:48:59] <greycat> telnet with a port number is great for probing basic TCP services
2238[17:49:03] <joepublic> telnet just connects to the specified port; you don't get a telnet connection as such
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2240[17:49:11] <greycat> you don't get a login session
2241[17:49:39] <joshuaBPMan> gotcha.
2242[17:49:41] <greycat> depending on the port, you may get a banner announcing what service it is, or you may have to start speaking the protocol yourself
2243[17:49:42] <jelly> joshuaBPMan: why does the word Loans make me think "site pwned by bot"
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2245[17:49:59] <joshuaBPMan> jelly: I've no idea....
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2248[17:50:45] <jelly> ah, probably there because: <!-- I essentially copying this page: replaced-url
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2250[17:51:46] * jelly could have avoided pasting the link
2251[17:52:54] <joepublic> it's okay, knowing the link helps people with dns blocklists and such
2252[17:52:56] <Haohmaru> u don't deserver ur op anymoar
2253[17:52:57] <Haohmaru> ;P~
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2264[17:56:18] <joshuaBPMan> jelly: just out of curiousity...how did you find that kemper site?
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2266[17:56:30] <joshuaBPMan> I am indeed working on that site, but I only mentioned gnucode.me
2267[17:56:32] <jelly> joshuaBPMan: source code for your site.
2268[17:56:33] <greycat> he pasted an HTML comment, presumably from your own site
2269[17:56:40] <f8e3> any idea on: Error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.systemd1.UnitMasked: Unit -.mount is masked. ?
2270[17:57:08] <joshuaBPMan> gotcha. thanks
2271[17:57:32] <iLLf8d> sorry had a fam emergency, thx for the info greycat. Yeah ikwym been a while my first kernel build should be interesting with all the new options
2272[17:57:34] <Haohmaru> is "-.mount" a file name? looks weird
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2274[17:57:37] <dgriffi> does Daniel Schepler ever drop in here?
2275[17:57:47] <greycat> Haohmaru: it could be. there's no law against it.
2276[17:58:05] <McErroneous> Hi, cant find my Samba shares using smbtree , with my main CPU.., my RPi finds the shares, even without asking for a password,
2277[17:58:14] <Haohmaru> i know it's valid, i mean that it looks weird if it is
2278[17:58:25] <McErroneous> try using my RPi s smb.conf..., but still there a some unkown options .. in the smb.conf. after removing then.., i got a credentials error on my Debian machine..
2279[17:58:29] <greycat> it's possible that it was created accidentally
2280[17:58:31] <Haohmaru> could some badly written command that made it?
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2284[17:59:24] <Haohmaru> don't give root access to ur cat
2285[17:59:28] <Haohmaru> nor any cat
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2287[17:59:43] <greycat> what makes you think she doesn't already have it?
2288[17:59:51] <Haohmaru> i hope she don't
2289[17:59:52] <joshuaBPMan> jelly: well there's another mystery...gnucode.me should not be displaying that. actually both sites shouldn't be redirecting to https...
2290[18:00:03] <Haohmaru> she eyeballz me when i log in
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2292[18:00:06] <iLLf8d> I heard root access can kill a cat
2293[18:00:18] <jelly> joshuaBPMan: I accessed replaced-url
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2295[18:01:10] <greycat> I confirm that the comment is in the HTML of that page.
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2298[18:01:15] <jelly> iLLf8d: if it's catnip root she'll probably just get high
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2300[18:02:11] * iLLf8d is still looking for the summary sysadmin web url of the last 10 years of changes to debian and linux
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2302[18:02:21] <joshuaBPMan> jelly: I believe you. What I'm saying is, myift.com and gnucode.me are showing the same thing. They shouldn't be. hahaha.
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2304[18:02:33] <joshuaBPMan> and I've no idea why that is.
2305[18:02:49] <joshuaBPMan> gnucode.me should just "Test". and that's it.
2306[18:02:53] <joshuaBPMan> just show*
2307[18:03:02] <joepublic> didn't the advertising kit come with instructions?
2308[18:03:16] <dgriffi> iLLf8d: mount a scratch cat
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2311[18:04:20] <joshuaBPMan> joepublic: haha. Not really. I'm working with the business guy. I'll figure it out eventually.
2312[18:04:41] <joepublic> 'luck.
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2314[18:04:51] <joshuaBPMan> I have a pretty good experience building simple websites. I've even built some wordpress sites before. I'm just not intimately familiar with nginx.
2315[18:05:19] <jelly> joshuaBPMan: keep separate logs files for each virtual host. Keep separate document roots. (I'm using apache terminology because nginx is not my usual thing)
2316[18:05:49] <iLLf8d> I get too easily distracted like a cat, a fresh install is like a recursive distraction. All the pretty's I need to configure, skin, color keep distracting me.
2317[18:06:03] <jelly> joshuaBPMan: if you have separate logs, you'll find out which site really gets the accesses, easily, and that can point to other errors in configuration
2318[18:06:22] <iLLf8d> and all the package shopping too
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2320[18:06:45] <joshuaBPMan> jelly: I think I do have that. gnucode.me has logs near it's html files. myift has logs near it's files.
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2322[18:08:25] <joshuaBPMan> apparently someone with a Macintosh OS X accessed gnucode.me recently. Probably one of the guys that helped me just now.
2323[18:08:52] <Haohmaru> aww, crapintosh
2324[18:08:52] <greycat> or just any curious lurker in this channel
2325[18:09:04] <jelly> or a bot that scrapes this channel.
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2327[18:09:29] <Haohmaru> it wozn't me, i'm on crapdows here
2328[18:09:41] <jelly> like microsoft's bots that visit all URLs you share over skype
2329[18:09:44] <joshuaBPMan> interesting... replaced-url
2330[18:09:57] <joshuaBPMan> but gnucode.me shows the myift site.
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2335[18:10:53] <Haohmaru> i think vib0r also does a similar thing, because when you paste a URL, it "thinks" and then generates a dumb thumbnail
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2338[18:11:35] <Haohmaru> oh how i hate this viber shizzle >:(
2339[18:11:44] <greycat> then... stop using it?
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2341[18:11:59] <Haohmaru> can't, $job requires it
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2343[18:12:13] <jelly> or a dozen relatives
2344[18:12:15] <Haohmaru> i protested but i woz alone
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2352[18:15:24] <Haohmaru> it's showing me horrible banners too
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2355[18:15:48] <Haohmaru> clickbaits
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2357[18:15:56] * jelly used elinks
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2367[18:22:00] <pie3> anyone gone thru machine learing course?
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2369[18:22:40] <jelly> mmm, pie
2370[18:22:46] <tinyhippo> mmm jelly
2371[18:22:57] <tinyhippo> jelly pie
2372[18:23:00] * tinyhippo nibbles
2373[18:23:13] <jelly> hungry, hungry tinyhippo
2374[18:23:14] <greycat> I deny all responsibility for summoning the pie even though they appeared only minutes after I mentioned them.
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2383[18:25:15] <pie3> <pie3> <pie3> % Only need 2 points to define a line, so choose two endpoints
2384[18:25:16] <pie3> <pie3> <pie3> plot_x = [min(X(:,2))-2, max(X(:,2))+2];
2385[18:25:16] <pie3> <pie3> <pie3> % Calculate the decision boundary line
2386[18:25:16] <pie3> <pie3> <pie3> plot_y = (-1./theta(3)).*(theta(2).*plot_x + theta(1));
2387[18:25:18] <pie3> <pie3> <pie3> can someone explain me these octave lines?
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2394[18:25:41] <pie3> A) why -2 & +2?
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2397[18:26:35] <jelly> pie3: this isn't a programming channel really
2398[18:26:47] <greycat> it's also not a mathematics channel
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2402[18:27:05] <jelly> !octave
2403[18:27:05] <dpkg> i guess octave is a really cool matlab-alike replaced-url
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2405[18:27:34] <greycat> there's an #octave on this network
2406[18:27:38] <jelly> pie3: perhaps they have a channel on freenode
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2408[18:27:43] <pie3> yes
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2456[18:54:37] <InvisibleRasta> hello guys, i am gettign this warning at bootup replaced-url
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2458[18:55:05] <InvisibleRasta> drm something
2459[18:55:05] <InvisibleRasta> im not sure whats going on
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2463[18:58:45] <petn-randall> InvisibleRasta: Looks more like a cosmetical error to me.
2464[18:58:59] <petn-randall> InvisibleRasta: Are you experiencing any graphical issues besides the warning?
2465[18:59:06] <InvisibleRasta> nope
2466[18:59:19] <petn-randall> Then I'd ignore it for now.
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2468[18:59:35] <InvisibleRasta> it jsut bothers me it being there without knowing what it is
2469[18:59:36] <InvisibleRasta> xD
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2473[19:00:41] <johnfg> hi guys
2474[19:00:58] <johnfg> does grep -R automatically search any hidden (.) files in a directory?
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2476[19:02:11] <Copenhagen_Bram1> johnfg: yes
2477[19:02:23] <Copenhagen_Bram1> mkdir -p /tmp/potato/.potato/
2478[19:02:31] <jelly> johnfg: test it yourself: mkdir -p a/.foo; echo bar > a/a; echo baz > a/.foo/a; grep -R ba a
2479[19:02:39] <Copenhagen_Bram1> echo "potato" > /tmp/potato/.potato/potato.txt
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2482[19:02:49] <Copenhagen_Bram1> grep -R potato /tmp/potato
2483[19:03:01] <Copenhagen_Bram1> or what jelly suggested
2484[19:03:10] <jelly> potato, potato.
2485[19:03:15] <Copenhagen_Bram1> but my method has potatoes so it's superior
2486[19:03:41] <johnfg> jelly: I want to hear the musical notes with the potaato, potato :-)
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2488[19:03:51] <jelly> you heard them in your head.
2489[19:05:15] <johnfg> I did indeed. I'm gonna stop now. I can foresee a long logical digression, quite off-topic otherwise.
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2494[19:06:43] <Copenhagen_Bram1> potato desu
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2516[19:18:24] <johnfg> I'm running cinnamon on buster. Is there anywhere other than either .bash_profile or .profile where the PATH could be set?
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2518[19:19:04] <johnfg> I'm getting an old PATH, and I'm not sure where it's coming from. That's why I was grepping.
2519[19:20:05] <jelly> johnfg: did you log out and log back in after changing PATH? Are you using tmux or screen?
2520[19:20:11] <greycat> johnfg: PS4='+($?) $BASH_SOURCE:$FUNCNAME:$LINENO:' bash -xlc :
2521[19:20:34] <greycat> to filter it, use something like PS4='+($?) $BASH_SOURCE:$FUNCNAME:$LINENO:' bash -xlc : 2>&1 | grep PATH
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2526[19:24:28] <johnfg> jelly: I did logout and log back in yesterday, after the path change.
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2528[19:24:56] <johnfg> greycat: I looked at this paste: replaced-url
2529[19:25:30] <greycat> can't read dpaste.com from here
2530[19:25:42] <johnfg> jelly: And no, I'm not using tmux or screen.
2531[19:25:50] <johnfg> greycat: what do you need?
2532[19:26:26] <johnfg> replaced-url
2533[19:27:05] <johnfg> replaced-url
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2536[19:27:56] <johnfg> replaced-url
2537[19:28:02] <johnfg> greycat: can you read those?
2538[19:28:30] <greycat> OK, so what's the question?
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2541[19:30:07] <johnfg> I think, in doing the paste.debian, I may have left out the simple echo $PATH, that still shows a 2018 directory.
2542[19:30:31] <greycat> Have you verified whether *logging in* actually gives you the undesired PATH?
2543[19:30:56] <greycat> Maybe you're doing something AFTER login that's changing PATH. Or maybe, as someone else suggested, this might be an old process.
2544[19:31:59] <Copenhagen_Bram1> firefox-esr was removed from debian 10.2??
2545[19:32:19] <jelly> Copenhagen_Bram1: no??
2546[19:32:34] <jelly> ,v firefox-esr
2547[19:32:35] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch: 60.7.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 68.2.0esr-1~deb10u1; jessie-security: 68.4.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 68.4.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 68.4.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster-proposed-updates: 68.4.1esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 68.4.1esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 68.4.1esr-1; sid:
2548[19:32:36] <judd> 68.4.2esr-1
2549[19:33:04] <Copenhagen_Bram1> but: replaced-url
2550[19:33:08] <jelly> buster-security: 68.4.1esr-1~deb10u1 <- it's there
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2552[19:33:25] <Copenhagen_Bram1> The following packages were removed due to circumstances beyond our control: firefox-esr [armel] No longer supportable due to nodejs build-dependency
2553[19:33:53] <joepublic> are you using little-endian arm for something?
2554[19:33:59] <Copenhagen_Bram1> oh
2555[19:34:00] <jelly> Copenhagen_Bram1: there's no build for armv5
2556[19:34:06] <Copenhagen_Bram1> i see
2557[19:34:15] <Copenhagen_Bram1> ok so it's still available for amd64
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2560[19:34:51] <jelly> losing 50% of web browsers would be silly
2561[19:35:02] <Copenhagen_Bram1> looks like the newest version of wine stable requires libfaudio0 now
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2566[19:37:08] <Copenhagen_Bram1> How do I update from 10.1 to 10.2?
2567[19:37:32] <johnfg> greycat: Kinda strange, but when i just logged into tty1, all *seems* to be good. I'll just go for another login here at tty7, and see if things are back to normal.
2568[19:37:45] <greycat> Copenhagen_Bram1: make sure sources.list contains the standard lines, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade
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2570[19:38:33] <johnfg> greycat: More often than not, these days, on both debian machines, I do apt update, then apt dist-upgrade. Is there any real difference?
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2574[19:39:17] <jelly> !10.2
2575[19:39:17] <dpkg> Debian 10.2 is scheduled to be released on Nov 16th 2019. This point release will correct some serious bugs and copy security updates across to the main archive. Upgrades to new point releases are trivial to do; ask me about <point release>.
2576[19:39:58] <jelly> johnfg: yes. Sometimes dependencies get changed and then you need a dist-upgrade if you use apt-get. /usr/bin/apt is a bit smarter.
2577[19:40:17] <jelly> well, not necessarily smarter but comes with different defaults
2578[19:40:23] <jelly> !point release
2579[19:40:23] <dpkg> Point releases are updates to <stable> and <oldstable>, fixing security and grave bug fixes. If you track security updates regularly (as you should!) there will often be no updates for you in the point release. You can upgrade to the latest point release with "apt update && apt full-upgrade". Ask me about <9.11>, <10.1>.. replaced-url
2580[19:40:31] <joepublic> and aptitude would probably be the idiot savant of the family
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2591[19:43:06] <sina60> hi
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2635[20:06:40] <Copenhagen_Bram1> Is it possible to install proprietary ATI drivers/fglrx on Debian 10 for a Radeon HD 6310?
2636[20:06:54] <ksk> !ati
2637[20:06:54] <dpkg> Where possible, most ATI/AMD graphics processing units are supported using the open source "radeon" driver on Debian systems by default, ask me about <radeon>. To install the proprietary "fglrx" driver, ask me about <fglrx>; installing this directly from amd.com (i.e. with the AMD Catalyst installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati on irc.freenode.net.
2638[20:07:27] <ksk> Copenhagen_Bram1: see the bots remarks, you can get more information via "/msg dpkg $topic" where topic can for example be fglrx
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2640[20:09:33] <jelly> Copenhagen_Bram1: that card sounds so old it shouldn't require proprietary drivers
2641[20:09:42] <Copenhagen_Bram1> lol
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2643[20:09:48] <jelly> how old is it?
2644[20:10:42] <Copenhagen_Bram1> I don't know. It works, but I'm hoping to get more use out of it. For instance, my computer currently runs OpenGL 3.3 but someone told me the 6310 should support OpenGL 4
2645[20:10:49] <jelly> google says 2010 mobile (laptop) component
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2647[20:10:59] <Copenhagen_Bram1> huh
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2649[20:12:00] <jelly> I'm thinking if it did not get OpenGL 4 by now, it's never going to get it... but you could go ask Mesa people if they have a channel
2650[20:12:22] <jelly> is firmware installed?
2651[20:13:16] <jelly> what do "glxinfo" and "xdriinfo" say?
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2655[20:16:36] <jelly> okay, 2011 replaced-url
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2688[20:39:17] <giaco> do you know if there's a packet with gnu stroke or program with equivalent functionality? replaced-url
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2704[20:52:01] <iLLf8d> can anyone recommend a mac vnc viewer? getting tired of moving my mouse/keyboard back and forth lol
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2706[20:52:38] <iLLf8d> last one I used was like 10 years ago idk whats the new shiny
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2708[20:53:05] <greycat> sounds like a question for #macosx or something
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2740[21:12:58] <sponix2ipfw> iLLf8d: check out Synergy - and TeamViewer
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2742[21:13:45] <iLLf8d> someone pointed out theres a vnc viewer in mac I had forgotten that
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2748[21:18:40] <nyov> how do I figure out which env vars in an ssh session are being forwarded and which are "native" to the remote?
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2751[21:19:09] <greycat> you could look for AcceptEnv in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
2752[21:19:30] <greycat> in Debian, it's just LANG LC_* by default
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2758[21:22:51] <nyov> I disabled SendEnv in ssh locally, but I'm not sure where my remote locale settings come from
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2760[21:23:00] <KillThemAll> bashrc?
2761[21:23:09] <jhutchins_wk> iLLf8d: Be aware that it's sometimes difficult to get differnt VPN clients and servers to agree on protocols.
2762[21:23:14] <greycat> the remote operating system probably sets them during login, via PAM or /etc/profile or other place
2763[21:23:17] <nyov> so now I'm not sure if my local ssh is still sending them or not
2764[21:23:28] <nyov> but I want to double-check
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2766[21:23:51] <greycat> what OS is the "remote" running?
2767[21:23:58] <nyov> debian
2768[21:24:15] <nyov> 10
2769[21:24:26] <greycat> then the places to look include /etc/environment (old, very deprecated), or /etc/default/locale
2770[21:24:33] <greycat> or /etc/profile or other shell startup files
2771[21:24:42] <KillThemAll> nyov: remember if greycat asks both sides are Debian, he can't see what I say but he can see what you say, don't let him know I said this
2772[21:25:03] <nyov> greycat: both are empty
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2774[21:25:20] <nyov> /etc/profile* don't have any locale settings I can see
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2776[21:25:39] <_Fremen_> Hello everyone
2777[21:25:43] <nyov> but locale is set fo LANG=en_US.UTF-8
2778[21:25:45] <nyov> *to
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2781[21:26:14] <greycat> if you set LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 on the client, and ssh to the Debian remote, does the remote locale end up as de or en?
2782[21:26:26] <nyov> let me check
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2784[21:27:01] <nyov> still english
2785[21:27:08] <nyov> so huh
2786[21:27:10] <greycat> then it's definitely coming from the Debian remote side
2787[21:27:20] <_Fremen_> I am currently using Timeshift as a backup and OS versioning system, however I wanted to learn the alternatives you use? Could you name a few?
2788[21:27:37] <nyov> thanks. makes sense. now I just wonder how to remove all the locale settings there
2789[21:27:39] <KillThemAll> _Fremen_: cp, rsync, ...scp
2790[21:27:40] <KillThemAll> tar
2791[21:27:41] <KillThemAll> diff
2792[21:28:29] <nyov> that's some stupid advice. none come close to what timeshift does
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2794[21:28:48] <KillThemAll> Yeah it's not implemented on top of those at all....
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2796[21:28:56] <_Fremen_> KillThemAll, they are console commands but I was looking for something more user friendly?
2797[21:29:01] <greycat> you could check all the rest of the shell startup files (that you can find) by hand, or ask the shell to tell you: PS4='+($?) $BASH_SOURCE:$FUNCNAME:$LINENO:' bash -xlc : 2>&1 | grep -E 'LANG|LC_'
2798[21:29:02] <KillThemAll> _Fremen_: timeshift
2799[21:29:19] <greycat> assuming your login shell is bash
2800[21:29:37] <_Fremen_> KillThemAll, do you write your own script for these commands?
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2803[21:31:11] <KillThemAll> nyov: _Fremen_ backing up is not difficult. you store the difference each time, it's a few commands, most backup systems are a few scripts really. Little more than aliases - barely worthy of being called "systems". Things like snapshots are really hard anyway (if you take an LVM snapshot of a busy MySQL server, it will recover because of the 3 fsyncs involved) - so either cp, diff, ect work, or you need something mysql specific, or
2804[21:31:12] <KillThemAll> you use the block level stuff instead
2805[21:31:18] <nyov> greycat: awesome PS4 there :)
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2807[21:31:39] <greycat> it's a handy trick for tracking down "where the hell did *this* come from" which is a somewhat common question
2808[21:31:58] <KillThemAll> _Fremen_: it's part of the sysadmin's job.
2809[21:32:14] <greycat> of course it only covers the shell's initialization, not PAM stuff, stuff set directly by login(1), etc.
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2812[21:33:05] <KillThemAll> nyov: _Fremen_ try: sudo find /etc | wc -l
2813[21:33:16] <nyov> KillThemAll: why?
2814[21:33:20] <KillThemAll> (sudo is needed otherwise you'll miss a few things)
2815[21:33:29] <KillThemAll> nyov: if you can't see what it does, figure that out too :)
2816[21:33:46] <joepublic> I see what it does, but the question "why" remains
2817[21:33:50] <KillThemAll> diff -R /etc /oldetc/ works pretty well....
2818[21:33:50] <nyov> KillThemAll: no, I know what it does.
2819[21:33:54] <KillThemAll> nyov: good for you :)
2820[21:34:00] <nyov> KillThemAll: stop pinging me
2821[21:34:03] <_Fremen_> KillThemAll, so for my Desktop PC case, I should write couple of scripts and get them executed periodically?
2822[21:34:05] <KillThemAll> nyov: sorry
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2825[21:34:57] <KillThemAll> _Fremen_: I wouldn't RELY on your thing on a PC you need.... but mess around in a VM and go for it. /etc/ is where almost all configs go, if you're going to tweak a system you want a before and after incase you fuck it up.
2826[21:35:00] <KillThemAll> Give it a try.
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2828[21:35:48] <_Fremen_> KillThemAll, ok then, if anyone have other suggestions, I am lurking.
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2831[21:36:13] <KillThemAll> _Fremen_: one thing I have, not sure how normal this is, is a script that pulls in all the stuff I routinely use, when you use a clean system you need to pull in all your tools, I have tonnes of stuff in ~/bin, I've modified a few paths, you get the idea. Work on something like that for you in a VM, that modifies a system so it's not /entirely/ stock, then learn how to 'recover' it and shit.
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2833[21:36:56] <KillThemAll> _Fremen_: a lot of the time though making a cp of a file called file.old and then poking with file is enough. Like if I was gonna poke around with sshd's config, I'd keep the original because I'm likely to fuck that up
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2836[21:37:33] <KillThemAll> If I was modifying the bashrc and bashprofile stuff I'd keep an original too, but not because I'm likely to fuck it up, so I can see what I've done. Also write stuff like #added by me on [date] - here's why
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2840[21:38:35] <KillThemAll> _Fremen_: very few tools have a decent GUI interface. There are some projects which pop up but they tend not to get maintained, so its really only official things (like synaptic package manager is it?) that tend to get "decent" ones
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2843[21:40:06] <KillThemAll> _Fremen_: things like undo are surprisingly difficult to program, where as command line tools tend to be able to spit out a config file which could create the current configuration, for example iptables-save (vs iptable --list -v), mkdir iptables_fix_attempt and cding to it with paper and a pen ... I can't see how any UI could beat that
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2846[21:41:12] <KillThemAll> This is why GUI tools tend to be lagging - or not exist at all.
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2848[21:41:52] <KillThemAll> _Fremen_: also you know about cron right?
2849[21:43:26] <_Fremen_> KillThemAll, very little, I am an average linux user to be honest
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2854[21:45:22] <nyov> bah, /etc/ssh/ssh_config is defaulting to sending locale env vars. since when? this is stuffed up, do I have to override this in every jumphost?
2855[21:45:47] <greycat> Normally, it's "stuffed up" by /etc/default/locale which forces a specific locale, set by "dpkg-reconfigure locales".
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2857[21:46:02] <KillThemAll> _Fremen_: start messing then. I recommend people start by figuring out what the PATH variable does and understanding that "commands" are just programs. Step 2 is creating ~/bin/ and putting it on your path, then starting to write things you actually use.
2858[21:46:14] <greycat> I rant about this and offer the suggestion to work around it in shell startup files, at replaced-url
2859[21:46:54] <greycat> Ugh, I need to edit that page... it says to use /etc/init.d/ssh restart
2860[21:46:57] <KillThemAll> _Fremen_: a good "thing" for you to make would be something yourself for backing up a directory. To initialise mkdir ./.backup and copy everything into this ./.backup directory.
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2862[21:48:15] <KillThemAll> _Fremen_: next step, to backup a directory, do something like diff -R ./ ./.backup > ./diff, now if you apply that diff to the backup, you get the current state. Make sense?
2863[21:48:38] <KillThemAll> cat ./diff | gzip > ./diff.gzip <---for text this'll make it 5-10x smaller
2864[21:49:18] <KillThemAll> "backup script" done. Decide if you want to apply that diff to backup, or just store it by itself along with the originals or....
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2867[21:49:55] <nyov> greycat: uh, so I'm supposed to reconfigure the jumphost' server-wide locales, because the final target doesn't like them? can I UNSET SendEnv in ~/.ssh/config instead?
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2870[21:50:13] <greycat> why would you want to do that?
2871[21:50:34] <greycat> if the goal is to send your locale variables through to the server, "don't send them" seems like the wrong starting point
2872[21:50:35] <iLLf8d> I added myself to the sudoers group and its not working, whats up with that? seems the sudoers file has a listing to add all in group too
2873[21:50:46] <KillThemAll> _Fremen_: as an example of why there's no "generally agreed good solution" some people may have /backup mounted and it could nfs/sshfs or just a drive, and they want their backups there or something, so they write what I just talked you through but using /backup$(cwd)/.backup or something. Any Qs?
2874[21:50:52] <nyov> greycat: the goal is NOT to send any locale settings, actually
2875[21:51:01] <greycat> ... ok
2876[21:51:04] <nyov> :p
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2878[21:51:20] <greycat> in that case, why are you asking all these question? you're already blindly overriding the client, which is what you claim to want.
2879[21:51:43] <katsklaw> iLLf8d, did you logout and log back in?
2880[21:52:01] <iLLf8d> in gnome shell (or does that just not count)?
2881[21:52:16] <katsklaw> what is the output of: groups
2882[21:52:22] <katsklaw> terminal command
2883[21:52:23] <iLLf8d> sec
2884[21:52:29] <katsklaw> you sghould have sudo listed
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2886[21:52:43] <KillThemAll> nyov: I get the feeling what you want to as you're presenting it is what you think will fix some other task.... maybe share the grand scheme as this sounds dodgy as fuck
2887[21:52:52] <nyov> looks like I can unset SendEnv with an empty var. Now this looks more like it. But I have to do it on every intermediate
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2889[21:53:18] <iLLf8d> katsklaw: its difficult I got one mouse/keyboard for 2 machines lemme see if I can steal my wifes
2890[21:53:31] <nyov> KillThemAll: all I want is to not override the remote's environment variables. dodgy as fuck indeed
2891[21:53:39] <greycat> are you saying that the jump host was overidding the client with its own peculiar choice of env vars, and sending THOSE along to the final destination?
2892[21:53:42] <katsklaw> iLLf8d, no prob.
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2894[21:53:48] <iLLf8d> was enabling sshd too but apparently the entire config is commented out for some unknown reason
2895[21:53:49] <nyov> greycat: yes
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2897[21:54:03] <iLLf8d> any reason sane defaults aren't set up?
2898[21:54:08] <KillThemAll> nyov: there's not a setting for that? Also on login things like bashrc and shit run and tend to export stuff
2899[21:54:27] <nyov> greycat: jumphost /etc/ssh/ssh_config had SendEnv enabled still
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2901[21:54:47] <greycat> which is fine, and is what you want, if you stop the jump host from overriding the client's values
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2904[21:55:22] <_Fremen_> KillThemAll, ok thanks :).
2905[21:55:29] <KillThemAll> nyov: try screen maybe? Set that to not forward environmentals (not sure on the defaults, the login shit will still run though) - that's in a position to easily offer such a setting and no doubt dose
2906[21:56:07] <katsklaw> iLLf8d, usually sane defaults are compiled in and the config allows you to override default settings. Which setting(s)are you finding that are not "sane"?
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2909[21:57:43] <_Fremen_> I have another question, what is the best way to record or automatize a linux installation to your liking? Like you want to reinstall because you changed something that it is very hard to revert or etc. Should I keep a journal on what to do? Should I write a shell script of all required operations? or something else?
2910[21:57:50] <PallasXD> HI everybody
2911[21:57:54] <iLLf8d> I'm not sure if the issue is I'm trying to connect over a bridge
2912[21:58:03] <KillThemAll> _Fremen_: you'll learn a lot from that road :) Just be careful as you don't want diff -R ./ to go into ./.backup - but you MAY want it to go into some hidden directories (like ~/.config ) - you'll learn a lot going down this path - like that you need to be able to exclude or explicitly include directories. So now there's a ./.backup.conf file and you are making "commands" like "frebackup --list" or something
2913[21:58:12] <greycat> !debian clone
2914[21:58:12] <dpkg> One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>.
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2916[21:58:14] <KillThemAll> SCRIPTING
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2919[21:59:27] <KillThemAll> I just covered this shit
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2923[22:02:54] <_Fremen_> KillThemAll, yeah as I said, it is currently above my tech level to be honest :)
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2925[22:03:19] <nyov> _Fremen_: or you'd use something like ansible, salt, chef, puppet, etc. - in short a "config management" or automation software. other ideas are debian-installer preseeds and FAI
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2927[22:04:03] <_Fremen_> greycat, I assume that just list the currently installed packages? How about like, config or wallpaper selection or configuration or etc.?
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2929[22:04:12] <greycat> back up /etc and /home
2930[22:04:38] <PallasXD> I have a question to make a project. Often before make an opensource project you have to configure it and you can set a --prefix option. So is it possible to set it like --prefix=$HOME but without expand it ?
2931[22:04:52] <katsklaw> personalized settings like wallpaper and stuff is in /home/.config/
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2934[22:05:01] <_Fremen_> nyov, greycat ok thank you :)
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2936[22:05:34] <greycat> PallasXD: if you're asking "can I compile a thing, and install it to /x here, then later, move it to /y" then the answer is no.
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2945[22:13:11] <iLLf8d> katsklaw had to explicity add my user to sudoers for some reason the %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL config file option isn't being read, and my group is listed as sudo:x:27:<my username>
2946[22:13:32] <greycat> iLLf8d: what does "id" (with no argument) say in your current session?
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2948[22:13:54] <jhutchins_wk> ,v ansible
2949[22:13:55] <judd> Package: ansible on amd64 -- jessie: 1.7.2+dfsg-2; jessie-security: 1.7.2+dfsg-2+deb8u2; stretch: 2.2.1.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.2.1.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 2.7.5+dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.7.7+dfsg-1; bullseye: 2.9.2+dfsg-1; sid: 2.9.2+dfsg-1
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2951[22:15:20] <PallasXD> yes is it, for example on macosx for the .dylib (like .so), you can say some things like @executable_path/../Resources/lib/libcrypto.1.1.dylib
2952[22:16:08] <PallasXD> else, do you know an tool to patch a library ? like the path of something ?
2953[22:16:09] <katsklaw> iLLf8d, are you saying you have it fixed?
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2956[22:16:22] <greycat> There's a *reason* a compiled program has a configure script with --prefix= option. It's not just because someone was bored one day.
2957[22:16:36] <iLLf8d> got sudo going
2958[22:16:46] <greycat> The --prefix gets turned into various absolute pathname and shoved in various hard to reach places in the compiled productd.
2959[22:16:49] <iLLf8d> sec I need to install an irc client deb side too much to type
2960[22:17:25] <katsklaw> iLLf8d, ok. Out of curiocity, how did you add yourself to the sudo group?
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2962[22:17:51] <greycat> the most likely answer is that they didn't log out and back in after changing the /etc/group file, and "id" will reveal this
2963[22:18:15] <katsklaw> greycat, agreed, that's why I'm asking
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2974[22:21:57] <PallasXD> Yes, it's for make a standalone package for OSX. A standalone bundle and i have to add my libcrypto.so into my bundle and i have to change a path like /Users/MesCouilles/lib/engines-1.1 by ./Resources//Users/Cedric/lib/engines-1.1
2975[22:22:12] <greycat> you know this is not an OS X channel, right?
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2977[22:23:26] <PallasXD> no maybe a haking chanel because i need a tool to patch .so and a chanel with hacker could better
2978[22:23:33] <PallasXD> Thx, bye
2979[22:23:52] <moeneener> ok <- iLLf8d
2980[22:24:06] <apansson> Hello, was wondering regarding systemd. How would someone set the following as it was done in initd "T1:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS3 19200 ampex210" any tip is appreciated :)
2981[22:24:12] <moeneener> I think I used usermod -aG sudo <username>
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2983[22:24:28] <greycat> did you log out and back in afterward?
2984[22:24:30] <Wally> PallasXD you think we're hackers?
2985[22:24:57] <moeneener> yes out of the gnome shell, I assume this is gnome shell kinda net wm
2986[22:25:04] <moeneener> neat even
2987[22:25:11] <Wally> also PallasXD. macOS requires dylib files for dynamic libraries / shared stuff.
2988[22:25:16] <katsklaw> moeneener, that will work, but /etc/group is only read at login, you MUST log completely out and back in. you cannot just close and open a new terminal
2989[22:25:20] <Wally> So YMMV with .so files.
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2992[22:25:53] <moeneener> I used the little icon in the upper right of the gnome shell logout
2993[22:26:02] <greycat> Plus, GNOME is involved... gods, I don't even know how many ways that breaks things. Maybe they're using a gnome-terminal session that somehow persists across logins and retains the old credentials.
2994[22:26:31] <greycat> Or maybe they did not actually log out. I don't know what they're even *saying*.
2995[22:26:32] <autopsy> gnome-terminal-server
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2997[22:26:38] <moeneener> env
2998[22:26:41] <moeneener> oops
2999[22:26:43] <katsklaw> moeneener, that only closes the terminal window
3000[22:26:46] <autopsy> Say no typing yes.
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3002[22:27:10] <autopsy> Use 'exit' or 'logout'
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3004[22:27:16] <greycat> that only closes a SHELL
3005[22:27:21] <autopsy> Oh.
3006[22:27:22] <katsklaw> moeneener, in the future, you need to close all apps and logout to the DM login screen and put in your password again
3007[22:27:29] <greycat> to log out, you have to log out of the ENTIRE DESKTOP
3008[22:27:35] <moeneener> the gnome session id is this is deprecated =P
3009[22:27:36] <greycat> I don't even know how you do that in GNOME.
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3011[22:27:56] <autopsy> You need to do 'init 3'
3012[22:28:05] <greycat> ...
3013[22:28:18] <greycat> Do I need to +q this person?
3014[22:28:29] <autopsy> systemctl start getty.target or some shit.
3015[22:28:56] <greycat> I am 100% positive that is NOT how you log out of GNOME.
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3017[22:29:15] <greycat> You probably click something with a mouse.
3018[22:29:17] <apansson> autopsy i tried that crap systemctl start getty@ttySX.service no success
3019[22:29:30] <apansson> :/
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3022[22:29:52] <autopsy> Ok but killall -15 gnome-session
3023[22:30:42] <greycat> someone please tell me that autopsy's answers are so wrong that I must +q him to save the newbies from his trolling, because I don't actually know enough about GNOME to say "that's idiotic, you just do ____"
3024[22:30:42] <Ede|Popede> and to stop your car you just look out for the next wall or what?
3025[22:30:44] <somiaj> apansson: have you looked at the getty@.service?
3026[22:30:54] <autopsy> All you need is SIGTERM or SIGKILL or SIGINT to the gnome-session-binary gnome-session or Xwayland whatever wvever ever you are youre using using.
3027[22:31:03] <greycat> ...
3028[22:31:06] <greycat> one more and it's happening.
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3030[22:31:18] <PallasXD> Wally, Sorry i thunk find on this channel somebody who don't just use apt-get ... like dome debian hackers, who know tools to debugging, patch binary. Sorry
3031[22:31:22] <iLLf8d> my wifes keyboard is going to give me a stroke
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3034[22:31:48] <apansson> somiaj yea I checked the default getty@.service config in /lib/systemd/system/ not 100% sure tho how to set the baud to 19200
3035[22:31:52] <Wally> PallasXD not saying you're in the wrong place. #macosx is like a kindergarten compared to some channels.
3036[22:31:55] <iLLf8d> the enter key is short and the up arrow key is below it
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3038[22:32:51] <apansson> somiaj also not sure if i need to define the model of the terminal as we did with initd
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3040[22:33:02] <somiaj> apansson: oh looks like thre is a serial-getty@.service too, maybe you need this
3041[22:33:43] <apansson> somiaj hm will check that one thanks sometimes I miss initd :D
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3043[22:34:00] <somiaj> apansson: I was reading the Documentation that the getty@.service was pointing too
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3048[22:35:33] <somiaj> apansson: replaced-url
3049[22:35:45] <apansson> Thanks alot somiaj
3050[22:35:46] <iLLf8d> brb
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3055[22:36:09] <somiaj> apansson: basically carete a copy as series-getty@ttyS2.service (or whatever console(s) you need), and modify the commands inside the unit file to state the right baud rate
3056[22:36:43] <apansson> somiaj will do and test myself forward thanks for the guidance
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3058[22:37:06] <somiaj> yea no problem, always a pain to learn how to do thinsg a new way, but it gets easier with time.
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3061[22:37:43] <somiaj> and arg serial-getty@ttyS2.service not series-getty...
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3063[22:38:51] <apansson> The worse change for me was the netplan in ubuntu
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3065[22:39:24] <PallasXD> Wallly, is not a problem for macosx, is more known the architecture of a library and patch Library. I don't maybe it's very complicated to change a string in a library and don't corrupt her
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